Spiritual Human History - The Last 13,500 Years

[wnlight]

This study is an attempt to place a metric over human spirituality throughout a large range of human history. I attempted to measure two qualities of human spirituality, namely, awareness and mutual respect. Naturally for me, I used dowsing as both a measuring tool and as a ‘time machine’. I requested results be presented to me on the Bovis scale - a scale familiar to dowsers.

The history range going back to 11,500 BC is inspired by Magicians of the Gods (http://www.amazon.com/Magicians-Gods-Forgotten-Wisdom-Civilization/dp/1250045924), a recent book by Graham Hancock. The premise of his book (there are threads about it here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86036-Dark-Journalist-w-Graham-Hancock), here, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86961-Joe-Rogan-Experience-Graham-Hancock-Randall-Carlson) here, (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85817-Graham-Hancock-2015-Changing-the-Paradigm-Lighting-the-Historic-Shadows-Magicians-of-the-Gods) and here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85738-Graham-Hancock-Magicians-of-the-Gods)) is that there were advanced (now forgotten) civilizations prior to our present one. My study shows amazing hints of the same.

If you have a question regarding my presentation or methods, please do reply. Any confusion on your part is likely due to a poor presentation on mine which I might be able to improve. Also, I would enjoy any comments on the use of dowsing as a research tool. If you are a dowser, please confirm or deny or question the accuracy, meaning or relevancy of these measurements.

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[Skyhaven]

Can you explain how 'dowsing' is used to obtain these figures?

[Ewan]

Is 'Respect Worldwide' a median of the others, or how it it measured? I'm a little puzzled how it can be the highest mark, unless there is a category 'Rest of the World' that is lifting it up. Given that 'Americas' fares so poorly on that particular representation I would have thought 'Worldwide' would suffer a dip.

I assume 'Americas' include Canada and Sth America?

Very interesting nevertheless. :)

[ghostrider]

It all started when the descendants of the watchers (plejaren) started coming here again, as the date to use the stargate was worked out , for a time they could not open it ... Since then for 13,500 years they have visited earth and tried to bring the spiritual teaching to earth humans...

[wnlight]

Ewan, that is a good question. The world-wide values are not computed from the other values. That would require measurements from other areas such as Africa (which will be done later) and also relative population measurements. I suspect that the population of the Americas was much less than other areas for much of the time. There is strong evidence that the greater portion of North American population was wiped out at the start of the Younger Dryas period although many other areas suffered.

[wnlight]

Skyhaven. I can try to explain the dowsing resource, but I am not sure if you are requesting directions for the mechanical techniques of dowsing to request information or if you are questioning how such a non-mainstream scientific method as dowsing can retrieve accurate and relevant information. These are both good questions. Which one are you asking?

Let me assume you are interested in the latter question. Consciousness is rising in human populations. This may not necessarily be true for entire populations, but it has become obvious that increasingly larger subsets of us are experiencing higher levels of conscience awareness. Modern physics is coming to realise that human consciousness can control physical conditions. Otherwise you get the preposterous Schrödinger's cat paradox. Believe it or not; like it or not; we are connected to the universe. There is a portion of the human psyche that can gather information. Dowsing is one of the methods available to bring that information to mind to be used to search out many things. The problem is in the understanding of dowsing results. One must be very careful. I am in the process of sharing my study with other dowsers for confirmation or correction.

[greybeard]

The Late Dr David Hawkins was a great advocate of Kinesology (Muscle Testing)
His book "Power vs Force/ the hidden determinates of human behaviour" goes into some depth on this also some Quantum Physics.
He maintained that every question under the Sun could be answered with muscle testing, which is not dissimilar to dowsing.
Basically this gives access to universal consciousness--which knows, records everything.

Even jury questions like "Is this man innocent?" could accurately be answered.
Only challenge is that probably only about 10% of the population could do this, having absolutely no agenda, personal interest, in outcome is necessary and that's not easy. Most think wrongly they have no interest in outcome.

So the view of the OP in this thread may well be correct.

Chris

ps here is a link to his calibrations

http://nancybragin.com/2012/12/29/dr-david-hawkins-calibrated-reading-list/

[Ewan]

Thanks for that list of calibrations Chris, it was very interesting.

Some particular points :-

-Yahweh 460 -God of Old Testament 100 - I thought they were the same thing, seems I still have some reading/learning to do in this area. :)

And the following sentence was cause for a little concern.

740 - The mantra Om, (as opposed to Aum, which is a serious alternation and is why it calibrates at the extremely low-level of 65.)

I put the parenthesis in the above. It's confusing, when I learnt English the section in comma's could be removed and the sentence would still make sense. The opposite appears to happen there?

http://nancybragindotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/om-mani-padme-hum.png?w=760

I'm not a frequent speaker of the phrase but I do intone it sometimes, mostly whenever I see a reference to it. What is the difference in intonation between Om and Aum. It seems a fine line between very beneficial and the complete opposite. :(

And oh dear...

Cursing (Lord’s name in vain) 45

I do that quite frequently. :blushing: Invariably followed by a quick apology. It is worth considering; if every time someone calls his name it is like a call for attention, like a negative peck at a sea of calmness.

Justice 380

Justice as “eye for an eye” 375

That amazed me. Always thought an 'eye for an eye' was madness. Though it may be more to do with our concept of justice as being little better than an eye for an eye, which, in that case, would still surprise me with them both scoring so well relatively speaking.

[apologies for drifting wnlight, seems it happens in every thread]

[greybeard]

Hi Ewan--I dont take Dr H calibrations as gospel--however I have read else where that Aum is not beneficial.
Dr H has almost contradicted himself-- at times---in that the "set up" is just--nothing escapes--you dont personally have to do the eye for the eye as it will happen automatically----Law of the Universe.

As for dowsing or Kinesology I would be inclined to use this as a strong indicator, at times Dr H would use teams of people to validate calibrations.

He calibrated various populations for consciousness levels--I dont want to go there, so to speak, as I don’t like putting anything on a group, as there are always exceptions to the "norm" Saints and sinners everywhere.

I am confident that overall consciousness is rising. You only have to look at the number of visits that threads in the spiritual sectio get here----or the number of Eckhart Tolle followers on social media and he is just one of many.

All is well---smiling

Chris

[Finefeather]

Dowsing… with any tool… like rods or pendulums etc… is exactly the same as kinesiology… which is simply kinetics or body movement. It takes force to move any physical object… not some miracle mystery magical phenomena.

What makes the body muscles move… other than some voluntary movement when we pick up a cup of tea, or, an involuntary movement when we jump out of the way when we get pricked by a pin from behind?

It is the action of energy on our nervous system by the etheric envelope or body which our physical body is permanently connected to… and would not exist without it.

This energy and or reaction in turn comes from our higher envelopes which are the emotional (feelings… broken heart or lump in the throat etc) and the mental (higher or lower) (thoughts… voluntary actions)… there is one higher which is the causal envelope but no human is able to access this level yet… although some are now beginning to slowly.

So no human is capable of accessing higher knowledge beyond these levels… those who do and can are not human anymore… even if you are staring them in the face or reading their writings… how would you know?

Most dowsing or kinesioiogy is inaccurate to say the least… but it can in some instances determine out of balance in the body because it's prime function is to attempt to harmonise the body with external forces… animals are adept at this and do this unconsciously… so do humans… who are largely unaware of them… just like telepathy.

Now even if it was the case that someone was able to perform these enquiries with what might seem to be some success… it would and can only be in accordance with the dowser's consciousness level… in other words he/she can only access what is available in their consciousness… be it sub-conscious or conscious.

No human dowser or kinesiologist can gain access to cosmic answers… simply because their 'electromagnetic' body system… which is the nervous system and the etheric energy or prana system… does not have access to such high energies and thus consciousness levels.

So imo the results which have been compiled have no significance to anyone except maybe some indications of a personal nature and then… as I have indicated… only at a very low level equivalent to the consciousness level of the dowser.

Something which we might like to remember when claiming that we have reached all sorts of higher knowledge… is:

No lower consciousness can access higher consciousness. All higher consciousness comes to us via those who are more enlightened than we are…. And that goes for all levels… and not all higher level consciousness can be understood by those who have lower level consciousness… we have to be ready to assimilate and understand higher consciousness or knowledge… so most just make up their own fiction to suit there own belief system.

Humans, currently and largely, identify themselves by the envelope in which they are largely active in… so you have 3 large 'boxes' in which humans can be divided into… physical selves… emotional selves… and mental selves…. Of course each of these have sub levels and even overlap. They are largely unaware of the reality of what they truly are, yet they believe that they are so 'enlightened' because they have this incorrect idea that somewhere inside them… hiding somewhere… is a higher self which is omniscient, and knows everything… when in fact it's just themselves…. As they truly are at this stage of consciousness evolution…

There is no higher self waiting for you… you are you… as you are now in your body… and that includes your vast forgotten sub conscious of past attempts to get where you currently are… and still trying to become a 'higher' self… like the many Selves who have already made it further along the great path of consciousness evolution and have the right to be called 'higher Selves”.

Take care
Ray

[wnlight]

Ray,

No human dowser or kinesiologist can gain access to cosmic answers… simply because their 'electromagnetic' body system… which is the nervous system and the etheric energy or prana system… does not have access to such high energies and thus consciousness levels.
I honour your convictions. Yet I expect you are in for a big surprise some day. By holding on to this belief system, you are preventing having some truly uplifting experiences.

... those who do and can are not human anymore ...
I assure you that anyone can learn to dowse and yet remain very human.

- Warren

[greybeard]

There is proven effectiveness of the ability of douser’s to find water.
Chris

[Finefeather]

Ray,

No human dowser or kinesiologist can gain access to cosmic answers… simply because their 'electromagnetic' body system… which is the nervous system and the etheric energy or prana system… does not have access to such high energies and thus consciousness levels.
I honour your convictions. Yet I expect you are in for a big surprise some day. By holding on to this belief system, you are preventing having some truly uplifting experiences.

... those who do and can are not human anymore ...
I assure you that anyone can learn to dowse and yet remain very human.

- Warren
Hi Warren
I never said humans cannot dowse...you are mistaken... i said

So no human is capable of accessing higher knowledge beyond these levels… those who do and can are not human anymore…
So of course humans can dowse they do this successfully at times for water as Chris has mentioned but that is certainly not higher solar or cosmic level dowsing.

This kind of dowsing is successful only because it is within the domain of the physical/emotional/mental consciousness. Dowsing is a largely low level kind of practice because higher beings would not use such practices... they use intuition which humans are incapable of despite the many who think they are intuitive... what they actual mean is they received telepathic communication... a big difference.

Take care
Ray

[greybeard]

Agree Ray.
Then testing to see if a person is innocent lies within the criteria you have specified I would suggest.
Mind you hard fact evidence takes a lot of beating.

Chris

[Finefeather]

Dowsing and kinesiology fall in the same category as other practices like ouija boards... I Ching... Western Astrology... Channeling etc... their results may or may not apply.

The lie detector... if that is where you are going Chris... is proof that we can change reality because there are people who can beat it. There is a new method now based on brain wave testing but I would predict that it could also be beaten :)

All I am saying is that the mind of Self is subject to it's state of consciousness and cannot be any better than it is... after it has fully awakened it's previous knowledge... what appears to be the proverbial miracle is just our ignorance of reality.

Ray

[greybeard]

The method used by Hawkins was good.
The question was in the affirmative as though it was a fact--he would then push down gently on the outstretched arm of his "helper" and if the arm muscle weakened causing the arm to go down then the affirmation was not true.
Some times he would say. "What I am holding in mind is true"
A statement could be put in a paper bag---the assistant unaware of the question and then the arm would stay up or not as the case might be.

True the questions related to events past or energies of the living or at the time people were alive.

Chris

[greybeard]

I would put ouija board in a different category altogether Ray---it has produced some less than positive results in the participants ie scary happenings.
Not to be meddled with.
Dont think dousing can be compared to channelling, though that word means different things to different people.

Chris

[Finefeather]

The method used by Hawkins was good.
The question was in the affirmative as though it was a fact--he would then push down gently on the outstretched arm of his "helper" and if the arm muscle weakened causing the arm to go down then the affirmation was not true.
Some times he would say. "What I am holding in mind is true"
A statement could be put in a paper bag---the assistant unaware of the question and then the arm would stay up or not as the case might be.

True the questions related to events past or energies of the living or at the time people were alive.

Chris
I have not studied Hawkins and who knows he may not even be human... he could very well be a causal Being :)... but, yes I would agree that these were correct based on your conclusion.

Everything that was done and thought... and even about to be done by thinking it... is available to those with the right know how.

These thought patterns do dissipate in time around us depending on their strength but they remain in the planetary/solar akashic records... where they can be found only by causal Beings.

Ray

[Finefeather]

I would put ouija board in a different category altogether Ray---it has produced some less than positive results in the participants ie scary happenings.
Not to be meddled with.
Dont think dousing can be compared to channelling, though that word means different things to different people.

Chris
Both ouija boards and channeling rely on the physical/emotional/mental consciousness to influence and inquire from some level of discarnate consciousness... higher Beings do not use these unreliable methods... they use methods which work at causal and higher levels... that is why I included them... but I appreciate your difference.

Ray

[greybeard]

The method used by Hawkins was good.
The question was in the affirmative as though it was a fact--he would then push down gently on the outstretched arm of his "helper" and if the arm muscle weakened causing the arm to go down then the affirmation was not true.
Some times he would say. "What I am holding in mind is true"
A statement could be put in a paper bag---the assistant unaware of the question and then the arm would stay up or not as the case might be.

True the questions related to events past or energies of the living or at the time people were alive.

Chris
I have not studied Hawkins and who knows he may not even be human... he could very well be a causal Being :)... but, yes I would agree that these were correct based on your conclusion.

Everything that was done and thought... and even about to be done by thinking it... is available to those with the right know how.

These thought patterns do dissipate in time around us depending on their strength but they remain in the planetary/solar akashic records... where they can be found only by causal Beings.

Ray

Think Hawkins was beyond human, as you categorise, casual being.

I read most of his books and spontaneous healing for me happened on shaking his hand--it was not asked for, expected. sought.

This is a link regarding about him---he accomplished an amazing amount in his lifetime

Worth looking into.
Regards
Chris

http://veritaspub.com/about_us.php?osCsid=6a05c9da63bf279da53f4912d1202598

[Finefeather]

Thanks Chris... don't disturb me for a few weeks, I'm going to read your link :)

[greybeard]

Well Ray
He, Dr H has long departed this world so I think the publisher has had a field day with the list of accomplishments.
It does give an indication though of his compassionate life work.
Incidentally he could remember his past lives.

The books are excellent.

Love Chris

[Meggings]

wnlight, I beg your forgiveness for wandering from your post, but talk of life on earth over 10,000 years ago just seems tailor-made for these cave paintings made, it is said, over 17,000 years ago in Australia.

http://i1.wp.com/www.ancient-code.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/wandjinas-3.jpg

This is from the website: http://www.ancient-code.com/the-wandjina-cave-paintings-depictions-of-sky-beings/

Quoted: In Kimberley, Australia, in 1838, numerous cave paintings were discovered that shuck the archaeological community. Some of the paintings that are called the Wandjina are surprisingly large, reaching up to 6 meters in height. The Kimberley regions is a remote area in Australia, sparsely populated and visited but with large rivers and magnificent views of beautiful reddish tones. Among the cave paintings found in the region, the biggest depictions measuring up to six meters in height, has caught the attention of researchers who have already suggested several theories about who their creators were.

The natives of the region called these strange figures as the “wandjinas”, who were celestial beings that brought civilization and prosperity to the people. Curiously, like many other ancient civilizations worldwide, the “wandjinas” symbol was a feathered serpent. The cave paintings depict curious beings with sandals, something that has caught the attention of researchers since the native population of the region are barefooted. The beings in the cave paintings are also depicted with strange-looking toes varying in number from three to seven toes.

http://i1.wp.com/www.ancient-code.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/WANDJINA.jpg

According to the aboriginal mythology, the Wandjina came from the clouds, returning to them in the same way. After they completed all of their tasks on Earth, they disappeared into the rocks. When they left Earth through the rocks, the images of them stayed portrayed on top of the rocks. Some tribes also say the Wandjina have returned to the heavens, and that now you can see them at night as lights traveling through the sky.

According to some, the cave paintings are at least 17,000 years old. Researchers were able to date these paintings thanks to the fossils found on top of their surface, but many other researchers do not agree with these theories suggesting that the Wandjina cave paintings are much older. According to other researchers, there have been many tools and human remains discovered in the area, the tools and human remains date back at least 100,000 thousand years, challenging the conventional theories regarding indigenous people in Australia and the origins of these mysterious beings.

Thank you for your forebearance, that I have posted rather off-topic.

[greybeard]

Dear wnlight
I am in agreement that there were probably ancestors even more advanced than we are---they blew it--so to speak as far as I can tell or nature did it for them. There have been several near extinctions of the human race as science has proven through bottle necks in the gene pool.
That came out on a BBC Horizon Yellowstone program years ago.
Graham Hancock seems to be on the ball---seem to remember he pointed to whole races of people suddenly disappearing. The implication was that they ascended--that's a may be so.

You obviously put a lot of work into the dousing and putting the results together--I wish the print could have been bigger--my eye sight not the best.

Best wishes
Chris

Ps The San-script ancient written language is still the most precise accurate language.
Where did that come from?
Parts of the world have been known for their advanced spiritual understanding.

Ch

[wnlight]

Finefeather,
Please tell me why you believe that humans cannot access their akash or access cosmic information? This is contrary to my personal experience. What is your definition of a causal Being? I think of Paramhansa Yoganandya's description of the causal world.
Warren

[wnlight]

Great art! Thanks again, Meggings. A quick check (without confirmation) tells me they are between 20,000 and 30,000 years old. I must wonder how the paint could last so long!

[Finefeather]

Finefeather,
Please tell me why you believe that humans cannot access their akash or access cosmic information? This is contrary to my personal experience. What is your definition of a causal Being? I think of Paramhansa Yoganandya's description of the causal world.
Warren
Hi Warren... sorry I was a little busy and only just saw your post... my apologies for keeping you waiting for a reply... this is a little hurried but feel free to criticise as you please... I will not be offended :)

Humans do not have the capacity... or more accurately the consciousness level... to access Cosmic information… which by the way is so far above human consciousness that it would be a little like expecting a dog to understand the laws of quantum physics… even then that would be far from reality. It's a bit like a radio system which does not pickup high frequencies because it does not have the apparatus to do so. Of course I am just trying to give a simple idea to explain this because in reality it is far more involved.

What I might suggest to you… with the greatest respect… is that you attempt to understand the constitution of a human and the true goal of the human… after their amazing journey from mineral to plant to animal to what they are now… a human.

At the time that today's human Selves or Monads individualised (and remember this is an on going process called consciousness growth) or causalised they were given an individual envelope... from their individual Augoeides (light Being or Matter Devas)… which would allow them to be capable of incarnating into organic bodies with. Without this causal envelope no human is able to incarnate to allow consciousness growth in the physical world.

You can liken this causal envelope to being in… lets say... a college... studying to become a doctor… You can thus call yourself a potential doctor because you have made it into the class… but you will only be a real doctor once you have passed the 'tests'.

A human is a 'Causal student' and once they have achieved a certain consciousness level… which goes hand in hand with good life views… brotherhood… unconditional love for all beings… unity with life etc etc… they 'graduate' to the next higher level or world… out of the human kingdom... and become true Causal Beings.

So a Causal Being is a Monad or true Self (not the Self/Ego/I you think you are now as you think about yourself) who has attained objective consciousness in the Causal world which is the world just above the higher mental levels of the mental world… which is the world we do our thinking from whilst incarnated. Note that I said objective consciousness as opposed to subjective consciousness… many people might know of this state because they have read about it or have been told about it… but only those who have achieved it will know the truth about it… and that is our exciting goal dear friend.

It is the world beyond thought as humans think of it. :)

Take care
Ray