Proper Role Of Government

[Grizz Griswold]

This is a short video, that in my opinion, is correct worldwide.
We have all been somewhat guilty of choosing a Political party
much as We would a sports team. If They cheat, we still support them,
if they are totally rotten, we still support them. Why, because We are on their
team/side. We don't bother to research, We just listen to who leads Our
Political party/team and parrot them, We support them no matter what.

But this sounds insane, to say the least. The majority, if they would question
things, lie somewhere in the middle, in the common ground. Common ground
is a place, where things work best for the most people, not for a select few.
Select few being described as, those who by deceit, coercion or force, bend
the will of the populace, for it's own benefit or desire.

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All The Best
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[Orph]

The proper role of government is to clean the inner pipes of my toilet, and nothing more. And while government is in there, oooooooooops, I accidentally flushed. Oh my. What a shame.

The above video makes one very flawed misconception, in my opinion. When he took that straight line with '0' government on one end, and '100% ' government on the other, and then bent that straight line into a circle, he was wrong. He said that '0' government would equal total anarchy, which in turn would mean that the biggest bullies would run everything, have everything, while the rest of us are just slaves. Which is basically what we have now. He said that '0' government and 100% government are practically the same thing.

BS!!

Government, in any form, of any size, is meant to control the people. There is no 'good' government. You cannot be 'governed' and be free. Why does he assume that if there were no governments that we would live in some sort of Mad Max type of world. I believe that if there were absolutely NO government ANYWHERE on this planet, we would be far, far better off than we are now.

There are many peoples and cultures around the world that live without a government. Animals such as wolves, whales, dolphins, etc., don't have governments. I don't believe that we would have anarchy. I believe peoples all around the world would learn to live with each other and nature. I'm not saying there wouldn't be some fighting and or killing happening between tribes of people. Of course there would be. But I believe that without governments, the 'good', of, and within the people would shine through. Not a perfect world, but much better than what we have now.

That's my opinion.

[Robin]

Please excuse me while I go and puke...

OK I'm back!

The person who made this video is doing so much irreparable harm within the Truth Movement with this incredible ridiculous video, it's not even funny. I don't even feel like explaining why, so instead I will link this video in the hopes that it will be watched and understood.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpcgS0G7Xj0

It is my hope that the entire video presentation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIEemKcy-4E) will be watched as well.

Please understand that the concept of "government" is a system that was brought to this planet by beings who seek to supplant, control, and enslave the human race.

[Sophocles]

Mark Passio - Government = Mind Control

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[Grizz Griswold]

Zero government sounds like a good solution, but on what planet in our Universe, could this be more than a fantasy?
Tribes perhaps used zero Gov. and was most likely a very good life. How do we back up again to that point, where
this could be possible? Especially when we have as little as 4000 elite controlling basically the entire population.

My only point is that mankind in general has more in common than most believe and that there is a common ground
in which most of Earths population fit into. We are neither left or right, just fooled.

This video perhaps shows at least some of the nature of the beast.

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[Skyhaven]

Size is also a key element. Governments of big countries are much more susceptible to error because of their size. This is also the main reason why many smaller regions claimed independence in the past.

[TODD & NORA]

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[Robin]

Zero government sounds like a good solution, but on what planet in our Universe, could this be more than a fantasy?
Tribes perhaps used zero Gov. and was most likely a very good life. How do we back up again to that point, where
this could be possible? Especially when we have as little as 4000 elite controlling basically the entire population.

My only point is that mankind in general has more in common than most believe and that there is a common ground
in which most of Earths population fit into. We are neither left or right, just fooled.


You definitely make a great point in that people are divided with the two-party system, and that collectivism is an inherently immoral system.

I need to point out that there is a difference between "leaders" and "rulers." A leader uses his or her knowledge, skills, and experience to benefit somebody else without giving orders. This person is respected for their knowledge, skills, and experience and are appointed as the person who oversees projects. If one were to stop listening to a leader, then they would be respected and take up their own leadership role in society using their own knowledge, skills, and experience.

A ruler, on the contrary, uses his or her knowledge, skills, and experience (and often social status!) to take control of somebody else. This person is given "rights" that the average person does not have, which includes things such as tax-exclusion, the right to throw people in cages, the right to kill people, and the right to steal from people. If one were to stop listening to a ruler, the ruler would use violence and coercion to throw them into a cage or much worse.

A CEO or Manager of a business you work for is NOT a ruler. They would be a leader, because at any point you do not want to work for them anymore, you can simply leave without nasty consequences. The CEO/Manager owns the business, and you have the right to start your own business, The employees work for them with consent, but citizens born into a nation do not have the choice to simply "leave" without nasty consequences.

It all comes down to RIGHTS. Ask yourself, can one delegate rights to others that one does not have? In other words, how is it that the American electorate, who does NOT have the right to imprison people, the right to commit violence against other people, or to invent laws, bestows these "rights" onto other people? Either every single human being on this planet has ALL of the same rights, or we have slavery.

The definition of a "right" is any action that does not harm another person. So how is it that government officials are given new "rights" which are immoral and based upon violence and coercion...ESPECIALLY when the people who put them in a position of power do not have these "rights"? These "rights" are invented because government is a deity...a GOD, because only "God" has supreme authority over Creation.

The belief in authority is indeed the most dangerous superstition ever created, even more dangerous than organized theistic religions.

[Robin]

Grizz, I have some questions for you with the intention to stimulate a greater understanding on this topic:


What does your ideal government structure look like?
What responsibilities should a government have in a society that people cannot do themselves with simple community organization?
In today's society you happened to come across an old lady being mugged by a man with a knife in an alleyway and there is nobody else around. Would you call the police or would you stop the attacker yourself?
Do you think it is fair that money is taken from people in taxes and used for purposes that they do not agree with, even if it is something that YOU agree with?

And 5 questions posed by Larken Rose for his Government on Trial project (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OktoHN0FDTM) (in the works):

Is there any means by which any number of individuals can delegate to someone else the moral right to do something which none of the individuals have the moral right to do themselves?
Do those who wield political power (presidents, legislators, etc.) have the moral right to do things which other people do not have the moral right to do? If so, from whom and how did they acquire such a right?
Is there any process (e.g., constitutions, elections, legislation) by which human beings can transform an immoral act into a moral act (without changing the act itself)?
When law-makers and law-enforcers use coercion and force in the name of law and government, do they bear the same responsibility for their actions that anyone else would who did the same thing on his own?
When there is a conflict between an individual's own moral conscience, and the commands of a political authority, is the individual morally obligated to do what he personally views as wrong in order to "obey the law"?

[Orph]

Zero government sounds like a good solution, but on what planet in our Universe, could this be more than a fantasy?

It might not be possible on our planet, but that doesn't mean that it has to be this way on every planet. (Hmmmmm. Does Pandora {Avatar} have a government? [kidding]). But it doesn't change my opinion that there is no proper role of government. What's the proper role of a thug? If he's nice about it, does that make it proper?

Government + money = control!

The above post is simply my opinions. Nothing more. Your opinions will vary. :)

[Grizz Griswold]

Grizz, I have some questions for you with the intention to stimulate a greater understanding on this topic:


What does your ideal government structure look like?
What responsibilities should a government have in a society that people cannot do themselves with simple community organization?
In today's society you happened to come across an old lady being mugged by a man with a knife in an alleyway and there is nobody else around. Would you call the police or would you stop the attacker yourself?
Do you think it is fair that money is taken from people in taxes and used for purposes that they do not agree with, even if it is something that YOU agree with?

And 5 questions posed by Larken Rose for his Government on Trial project (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OktoHN0FDTM) (in the works):

Is there any means by which any number of individuals can delegate to someone else the moral right to do something which none of the individuals have the moral right to do themselves?
Do those who wield political power (presidents, legislators, etc.) have the moral right to do things which other people do not have the moral right to do? If so, from whom and how did they acquire such a right?
Is there any process (e.g., constitutions, elections, legislation) by which human beings can transform an immoral act into a moral act (without changing the act itself)?
When law-makers and law-enforcers use coercion and force in the name of law and government, do they bear the same responsibility for their actions that anyone else would who did the same thing on his own?
When there is a conflict between an individual's own moral conscience, and the commands of a political authority, is the individual morally obligated to do what he personally views as wrong in order to "obey the law"?


1. so little I barely know it's there
2. none
3. take care of it myself
4. no--the ones who want it can be generous enough to foot the bill
1. no
2. no
3. no
4.yes
5. no

Robin, the two of us have little to be in conflict over. My whole point actually is to
find the common ground, that pretty much the majority of earthly inhabitants have.
While finding those things We have in common perhaps the Illusion of needing
Gov. to control everything may begin to dissolve. Under the current political
situation, an awakening, needs and seems to be taking place.

All The Best
b

[Grizz Griswold]

Zero government sounds like a good solution, but on what planet in our Universe, could this be more than a fantasy?

It might not be possible on our planet, but that doesn't mean that it has to be this way on every planet. (Hmmmmm. Does Pandora {Avatar} have a government? [kidding]). But it doesn't change my opinion that there is no proper role of government. What's the proper role of a thug? If he's nice about it, does that make it proper?

Government + money = control!

The above post is simply my opinions. Nothing more. Your opinions will vary. :)

A Scientist a few years ago suggested they start to use Politicians instead of lab rats, He said: "there are some things You can't get a rat to do"

One of those other planets sound nice. Think we could pitch in together and share the ride?---LOL
I hear it's a long trip though!

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[Jake]

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GuberMente: Control of the Mind!

Jake

[Grizz Griswold]

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GuberMente: Control of the Mind!

Jake

As half Scottish/Irish and Half Cherokee, I really like the saying....LOL
Most have no idea of how much of an illusory world we live in.

Below is a video, showing how much of what we believe has
been programmed in to us. Well worth the watch.

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Thanks Jake
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