Angelica Zambrano dead for 23 hours, taken to hell and heaven by Jesus

[Sojourner]

Amazing testimony of a young girl who was brought hell by Jesus to warn the people. In hell Jesus showed her the pope and many other famous celebrities like Micheal Jackson being tortured in hell by demons.

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For a period of 23 hours, a young Ecuadorian girl named Angelica was shown the Kingdoms of Heaven and Hell, and the Return of Christ. She witnessed Jesus weeping as He overlooked multitudes of souls lost forever, a world that has rejected Him, a Church that is mostly unprepared for Him, a people that have stopped witnessing to the lost, and an entertainment industry that even lures children to satan.

[moekatz]

I'll leave the Christian interpretation of events to those whose beliefs are still primary in their lives. On a Sunday no less. May good continue to progress throughout our flawed world.

[WhiteLove]

The fact that not only one or two, but actually quite many independent sources report this kind of stuff, is quite scary. This is when the ego wants to go, no that cannot be true. But then you still have all of these stories that keep surfacing. But it is this kind of stuff that also makes the cover up/deception agenda potentially very very dangerous beyond your awareness. And it is this kind of stuff that reminds about why a forum like Avalon is so important...

The thing is that I do have some very fragmented memory of having been at a very dense, cold dark scary place, so scary I don't even want to discuss it. But what is for me not at all as fragmented is my experience of heaven and blending with God. The net outcome of these experiences has for me been to continue to accept Christ and the message of unconditional love as the way, the truth and the life as the optimal path through life. I know that when I blended with God, then that happened through an unconditional love trinity. I also asked God how I can get to this kind of experience and God responded just love unconditionally. Therefore, I have concluded that anchoring to Christ and the unconditional love of Christ, is a very wise spiritual choice.

This is definitely a heavy topic, but I can understand why you bring it up. Truth seeking must contain the full spectrum. Personally I hope that this kind of stuff can help boost the awakening process.

It might be that the advanced positive intelligences out there are quite serious and not so light minded as one would maybe think. Maybe in their emotional spectrum there is lots of very serious intents and actions at the core of their being, with then more light minded stuff on top. Maybe this is also why they have grown so intelligent and advanced - they seriously battle towards truth and towards helping and loving others in a very profound way. Something to think about...

I know that when I was in heaven, I was different there. I mean I could definitely recognise myself, but I was really really real, I felt like my own dream hero, the emotional depth and sense of love inside was incredible, similar to having really deep emotions from listening to a song... I really hope I will become like that...

Maybe truth seekers should integrate a very serious side as part of their being as well as collectively, maybe that can also help in the awakening process.

But every now and then I find that there is something very sweet about being serious, loving, authentic and truth seeking. That combination of real and light feels right.

Love and peace

GYEgOh_b-Co

[Sojourner]

The fact that not only one or two, but actually quite many independent sources report this kind of stuff, is quite scary. This is when the ego wants to go, no that cannot be true. But then you still have all of these stories that keep surfacing. But it is this kind of stuff that also makes the cover up/deception agenda potentially very very dangerous beyond your awareness. And it is this kind of stuff that reminds about why a forum like Avalon is so important...

The thing is that I do have some very fragmented memory of having been at a very dense, cold dark scary place, so scary I don't even want to discuss it. But what is for me not at all as fragmented is my experience of heaven and blending with God. The net outcome of these experiences has for me been to continue to accept Christ and the message of unconditional love as the way, the truth and the life as the optimal path through life. I know that when I blended with God, then that happened through an unconditional love trinity. I also asked God how I can get to this kind of experience and God responded just love unconditionally. Therefore, I have concluded that anchoring to Christ and the unconditional love of Christ, is a very wise spiritual choice.

This is definitely a heavy topic, but I can understand why you bring it up. Truth seeking must contain the full spectrum. Personally I hope that this kind of stuff can help boost the awakening process.

It might be that the advanced positive intelligences out there are quite serious and not so light minded as one would maybe think. Maybe in their emotional spectrum there is lots of very serious intents and actions at the core of their being, with then more light minded stuff on top. Maybe this is also why they have grown so intelligent and advanced - they seriously battle towards truth and towards helping and loving others in a very profound way. Something to think about...

I know that when I was in heaven, I was different there. I mean I could definitely recognise myself, but I was really really real, I felt like my own dream hero, the emotional depth and sense of love inside was incredible, similar to having really deep emotions from listening to a song... I really hope I will become like that...

Maybe truth seekers should integrate a very serious side as part of their being as well as collectively, maybe that can also help in the awakening process.

But every now and then I find that there is something very sweet about being serious, loving, authentic and truth seeking. That combination of real and light feels right.

Love and peace

GYEgOh_b-Co

Nice song WhiteLove I really enjoyed it :)
And yea it really is an extremely heavy topic. Your right the ego doesn't want to believe its true and its main reason behind the cabals agenda. We are in an intergalactic, multidimensional war for our souls and the souls of our fellow brothers and sisters of the Adamic bloodline here on earth. The cabal know this and have chosen to serve Lucifer believing they will escape God judgment themselves through life extension tech, and occult consciousness transferring rituals. Basically Satans lie to Eve is coming full circle now..

This information is obviously scary and very heavy, but Christ said: the people perish for lack of knowledge. So this needs to be known. The beautiful thing is Christ already fought this war for us and won on the cross!!

Love and peace to you aswell :heart:

[greybeard]

Mystics have said that your belief will take you "wherever" on death but that is not permanent
If you have been fed on fear--the devil will get you stuff--judgement, then you will seem to end up in hell but that's part off the illusion that you are separate from God.
The Enlightened know from direct experience that there only is One without a second--check out Tim's thread in the spiritual section for that perspective. When the enlightened leave their body they don't go through the illusion of being a separate person going to heaven or hell.

Angelica's experience would have seemed real enough to her---Any dream seems real when you are in it --the seeming life of a separate individual seems very real too.
Death is part of the dream--you are not the body.

There is nothing to fear but fear.

Chris

[TODD & NORA]

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[Savannah]

I had a brief NDE when I was 8. I drowned and began to understand that I was energy and that I vibrated. The vibration had a musical sound that that was incredible and beautiful. I realized the enormity of who I really was. It was brief so it stopped there. In retrospect I think it was for the best. I now feel many NDE’s may be manipulated by Et’s or interdimensional beings. Since it was quick I think I may have had a real experience before they could come in and manipulate it.

As we all know NDE’s may result n enhanced psychic ability. I knew a psychic who had 3 NDE’s. She was given the “option” to come back and “help people”. She did helped some people but in general much of what she told them did not happen. Her life is a struggle and she works 2 retail jobs to support herself and her son. She is unable o make a living as psychic. She once said to me “If I knew it was going to be like this I wouldn’t have come back”. I sometimes wonder if she wasn’t used by Et’s to promote the new age movement.

In the 90’s I read all the “saved by the Light” type books, Newton and Cannon. I bought the whole thing hook line and sinker. I believed we had soul groups, planned our lives out were working on a plan to increase our frequency and re-join God. It was the perfect lie. Do nothing, there is no unfairness, unfairness is for your learning. DON’T CHANGE THE WORLD, it’s part of the plan you made for yourself. There is no one to blame but yourself. Just love everybody and the world will be fine. Now I’m not only disillusioned by all the humans who have not loved me , all that I found unlovable, but the society I see as corrupt and controlled by the people/entities who sold me the fairy tale of BS.
If keeping us passive was the number one reason for the New Age, perhaps that’s second result was in the end we would all have to go through the shock of realizing what a sham it was. The hours of reading and the friends I lost who thought I was nuts was all for nothing. To think they are still at it just adds to my disgust. The movie the Boy who went to Heaven is just another example. I don’t doubt we exist after death but as Truman (see his posts) and many otters snow are realizing they mind controlled people with fake stories and sent them back. An NDE is very profound experience, what better advocate to sell you BS than a person who believes they had a real experience and believes every word of it.

Maybe they hoped the older ones like myself would be beaten up by now and just give up. The best revenge is to just keep calling them out on their BS. I will take some small victory in thinking I’m one less mind controled zombie babbling on about unconditional love (especially love the Cabal, be a good Christian or add a religion of your choice in that sentence) and ascension.

[tnkayaker]

hey whitefeather there was a show on tv for a bit that talked about people that had died and passed and seen and experienced jesus even though some of them had no faith ,then were re generated to new life, this of course goes against what *lear says but restored my faith just the same, lear doesn't know everything I don't think,nor might anyone of us totally , I think that's part of lifes riddle... none the less I thank that man for his efforts just the same, to live ones life with no envy hate or greed , showing love to those in ones circle , this will heal the world anyways , just my humble thoughts but thanks for your post, peace,dennis

[tnkayaker]

savannah I had a close lady psychic friend that wasn't always right either.....but she was just a true a friend as a person might have, her name was Jan she was from panama, she has passed over now, but I still love and miss her dearly, I learned to step away and let life show me what I need to learn and accept it for what it is not what I want it to be , there are lessons out there every moment of every day for each of us, I wish you the best honey ,love and peace,dennis

[delfine]

I had a brief NDE when I was 8. I drowned and began to understand that I was energy and that I vibrated. The vibration had a musical sound that that was incredible and beautiful. I realized the enormity of who I really was. It was brief so it stopped there. In retrospect I think it was for the best. I now feel many NDE’s may be manipulated by Et’s or interdimensional beings. Since it was quick I think I may have had a real experience before they could come in and manipulate it.

As we all know NDE’s may result n enhanced psychic ability. I knew a psychic who had 3 NDE’s. She was given the “option” to come back and “help people”. She did helped some people but in general much of what she told them did not happen. Her life is a struggle and she works 2 retail jobs to support herself and her son. She is unable o make a living as psychic. She once said to me “If I knew it was going to be like this I wouldn’t have come back”. I sometimes wonder if she wasn’t used by Et’s to promote the new age movement.

In the 90’s I read all the “saved by the Light” type books, Newton and Cannon. I bought the whole thing hook line and sinker. I believed we had soul groups, planned our lives out were working on a plan to increase our frequency and re-join God. It was the perfect lie. Do nothing, there is no unfairness, unfairness is for your learning. DON’T CHANGE THE WORLD, it’s part of the plan you made for yourself. There is no one to blame but yourself. Just love everybody and the world will be fine. Now I’m not only disillusioned by all the humans who have not loved me , all that I found unlovable, but the society I see as corrupt and controlled by the people/entities who sold me the fairy tale of BS.
If keeping us passive was the number one reason for the New Age, perhaps that’s second result was in the end we would all have to go through the shock of realizing what a sham it was. The hours of reading and the friends I lost who thought I was nuts was all for nothing. To think they are still at it just adds to my disgust. The movie the Boy who went to Heaven is just another example. I don’t doubt we exist after death but as Truman (see his posts) and many otters snow are realizing they mind controlled people with fake stories and sent them back. An NDE is very profound experience, what better advocate to sell you BS than a person who believes they had a real experience and believes every word of it.

Maybe they hoped the older ones like myself would be beaten up by now and just give up. The best revenge is to just keep calling them out on their BS. I will take some small victory in thinking I’m one less mind controled zombie babbling on about unconditional love (especially love the Cabal, be a good Christian or add a religion of your choice in that sentence) and ascension.

Why do you say that the info from Michael Newton is the perfect lie? As I read it, he´s not an advocate for passivity. But apparently the goal(s) of life seems different on the other side, and what we deem important while living, is often not so when outside of embodied existence.

[amor]

Dear Chris: I have read your posts and observed a quiet wisdom in them. However, my own few experiences have been so WAY OUT and were partially in this world and partially in the next, that I can only feel that the videos about the girl's experience is correct. Even her description of the appearance of the Christ was the same as mine. Elsewhere on this site I have told of my vision of God while wide awake sitting on a cliff watching the sun rise and my experience of the Holy Spirit dwelling in me for many months after that. In this experience, I was in a state of JOY, PEACE, LOVE, ALL KNOWLEDGE, simultaneous awareness of all created life in heaven and of ETERNAL LIFE. GOD was showing me HIS STATE OF BEING. All of this was NEW information to me. This has never happened to me since.

Also, I told of asking Jesus whether there was a hell, which answer came one week later as I slept late into the morning. At this time a local resident of whose existence I knew nothing, jumped off the financial building's 7th floor in his third attempt at suicide and came to me at that time as I slept. He complained his wife had taken the first 70 years of his life and now she wanted the other half of his life as well. I understood he meant the Devil and went to fight the Devil on his behalf. This is when a bottomless chasm opened in front of me and in I was tossed to be confronted by three Hideous Demons which I detected more with my Spirit than with my eyes. Simultaneously, I realized the state of grace we all inhabit had departed from me and I was completely at the mercy of these Demons. My heart was about to stop due to terror indescribable, as we have nothing with which to compare it, and I cried to the Lord to save me. Immediately, I was up on the cliff with the Lord as he looked down at the Demons gravely. I completely forgot about the poor man I was trying to help.

One Good Friday, as I exited sleep in that area of consciousness before full consciousness, I saw the full sized Christ on the Cross at the bottom of my bed. Not only did he have a horrible crown of thorns on his head, but he was crying TEARS OF BLOOD, which I had never read or thought about before. This happened very quickly as I came to full consciousness and remembered that today was Good Friday and I did not have to go to work that day. It has taken me forty years to surmise that my marital situation was more grave than I knew, for unknown to me I had married a man who was a homosexual schizophrenic of whom I came to suspect was involved in serious crimes. We divorced some time after that. When we came close to each other after that absence of some months, there was a biological reaction for both of us like screeching chalk on a blackboard. He was really a very ill person who refused to take the appropriate medication to enable him to survive in this life. After viewing the above video, I realize that I must generously forgive all those who appear to have hurt me, to the point of sending them god's love; if not, I may hurt them more in hell and myself there later also.

Not long after that experience I asked the Lord for some contact with him. That night, I had a Vision. It was too strong to be called a dream. His face appeared in a picture frame. He then came to full life and I was drawn into his mind in the ultimate HUG where I felt his creative powers on our universe. He was so beautiful, masculine, holy, loving. He had golden wavy shoulder-length hair, clear azulian-blue eyes and a peaches and cream complexion. But the crown of perfection was his superior BEING before which "Every knee will bow."

To be certain we are worthy of HIM, and also not hurt others and be also thrown in hell, we must genuinely have love and compassion on those who have hurt us and pray for the saving of their souls.
Everything I have said is truthful and repeated in the hope that some souls may escape HELL.

[greybeard]

Dear amor respecting your experience and that Christ is Saviour

A safe and middle way which requires no belief is contained in the signature below
copied here--Be kind to all life, including your own, no matter what!!
with love
Chris

[Mike]

I was in hell twice this month. Only around here we call it the DMV. Surely Jesus was weeping somewhere.

[Finefeather]

Mystics have said that your belief will take you "wherever" on death but that is not permanent
True in some instances only… not all.
I have been fortunate to do rescue work in the 'astral' since I was 27 and have helped many many humans cross over from body death when stuck due to fear or confusion.
I have not had one case where we were unable to cross these people to their 'home' in some area of the emotional(astral) world. We have rescued drug addicts… killed children and even nuns to name a few.


If you have been fed on fear--the devil will get you stuff--judgement, then you will seem to end up in hell but that's part off the illusion that you are separate from God.
There is no devil and no God so I am not sure where this information has come from… it sounds like Christian ignorance.

I have never come across the 'devil' anywhere in the 'astral' and as far as god is concerned this idea is simply due to the human idea that anything greater than he must be god… which kind of proves the ignorance of most humans to reality.

Everything that happens to us is our own doing and most of the time the result is a self creation of thought forms which creates our own little world of illusion… and we might stay in our dream world until our Augoeides (maybe this is the god people think is god) has pity on us and calls for help.



The Enlightened know from direct experience that there only is One without a second--check out Tim's thread in the spiritual section for that perspective.
This is completely incorrect and if this is what the so called 'enlightened' say then they are just as captured in their own illusion as any other unfortunate 'soul'… but never fear help is always at hand.


When the enlightened leave their body they don't go through the illusion of being a separate person going to heaven or hell.
Again this is incorrect… everyone… the self proclaimed enlightened included... go through the same process…

Every human and every Being is a separate entity. Of course we are one in that we are part of the whole Cosmos and the goal is to be as one… in brotherhood, unity and love… but no Self(Monad) can ever combine as one in the sense that they now become the same thing. Each monad or Self… the real you... is a single point of consciousness collection… one primordial atom.

From personal experience I have seen countless groups of humans in discarnate states living amongst themselves in various levels of the 'astral' world as well as the etheric world… according to their state of consciousness.

Life after death is virtually identical to life on earth where we seek out those with the same ideas as we have… we live in groups… (we don't suddenly become god)… until it's time to return for more physical plane consciousness growth.

This entire philosophy which is presented here takes no account of the millions of people who have experienced some NDE and all the research been done by people like Monroe etc with actual out of body experience.

Ray

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Mystics have said that your belief will take you "wherever" on death but that is not permanent
If you have been fed on fear--the devil will get you stuff--judgement, then you will seem to end up in hell but that's part off the illusion that you are separate from God.
The Enlightened know from direct experience that there only is One without a second--check out Tim's thread in the spiritual section for that perspective. When the enlightened leave their body they don't go through the illusion of being a separate person going to heaven or hell.

Angelica's experience would have seemed real enough to her---Any dream seems real when you are in it --the seeming life of a separate individual seems very real too.
Death is part of the dream--you are not the body.

There is nothing to fear but fear.

Chris

Always appreciate your balanced perspective greybeard!:handshake:

[greybeard]

Unfortunately Ray there is not enough space to give context to what I have posted as in itself it is perhaps open to misunderstanding.

We perhaps disagree on definition of enlightenment.

For the sake of argument lets say the True self is realised.

At that level there is not a belief in heaven or hell --out there. (Jesus said heaven is within)
Jesus said The Father and I are one--- The True realised Self is One with everything--non-duality
He also said "What I have done you can do also". therefore it stands that if he is One with the Father so are we --just are unaware of this.

The mystics state that the illusion is separation--there is nothing greater than Self--we are that.

The word God is over used--there is no great being separate from us.

Now you can think that Tim is incorrect, even deluded but the explanation given in the post I constantly mention is similar to all account I have read of the Mystic's awakening.

There is no God--Heaven or Hell--The Universe is set up perfectly --nothing goes un-noticed---ever act brings equal "reward" or "retribution" -automatically. There is no judgement.
You create your own Heaven or Hell--so to speak.

It seems complex but it is simple according to mystics throughout the ages.
This is what they uniformly testify to.
There is only "One without a second" and you are that.


For those who have not read the post I refer to, the link is below.
Its up to people to investigate fully and come to their own conclusion.

Where Ray and I really are in agreement is the "need" to treat all life with respect and unconditional love.

Chris

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

[seah]

as I see it, the way our consciousness perceives the world creates our delusions. As children, we are fully at the mercy of the environment we're born into, but as we mature, opportunities present themselves for us to revisit any assumption from childhood. Beliefs are opinions set in stone by the ego/lower self; every belief needs to be challenged at some point.

[Finefeather]

as I see it, the way our consciousness perceives the world creates our delusions. As children, we are fully at the mercy of the environment we're born into, but as we mature, opportunities present themselves for us to revisit any assumption from childhood. Beliefs are opinions set in stone by the ego/lower self; every belief needs to be challenged at some point.
Hi seah
Nicely put... thanks.
One thing we should not overlook is the fact that each Self is at different levels of awareness(enlightenment)... according to their state of consciousness growth... when reborn... and so during childhood and upbringing it would be expected that some children might form a better idea of true reality than... say.. a younger less conscious Self.

We do see often in schools, that some children just seem that much more advanced than others... this, however, may or may not be due to consciousness level... but rather to a natural ability to understand subjects which they might have had access to in previous lives... and are now merely re- remembering what they know... some children also have great difficulty understanding some subjects because they are incarnating into 'foreign' area in life which they have had no experience with before.

So it can be very difficult if not impossible for the average mom or dad to know if a child is an 'old soul' or a 'new soul'.

Take care
Ray

[Savannah]

Sorry I have not responding earlier, but my 50 hour work week makes it hard to find time to post. I could explain it but Cameron Day and Mark Passio do a better job than I can. They were the first to influence my ideas about the New Age movement. Cameron’s article focuses more on channeling and explains why he thinks it is just a part of the false light Matrix that enslaves souls.

http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/08/23/why-i-am-no-longer-a-light-worker/

The second article explains past life experiences and how they are used by the corrupt demiurgic jin to keep us reincarnating and in essence trapped. I would not say I agree totally with his way clearing or fighting the Matrix because it seems a bit too simple. He has been mediating all his life and what he finds simple I find more difficult to achieve.

http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/11/21/tell-the-lords-of-karma-that-you-are-sovereign-no-longer-a-lightworker-part-2/

Also the book The Eye of Ra, written by Truman Cash, an Avalon member who makes his books available to members.

http://projectavalon.net/Truman_Cash_The_Eye_of_Ra.pdf

He used trauma clearing techniques to access his past lives and came to similar conclusions that Cameron does about reincarnation. Lastly I spoke to a regression therapist who worked with Newton and criticized his methods. He tended to ask leading questions such as “you see your counsel, what are they saying” rather than open ended questions such as what are you seeing. This combined with the manipulation on the other side of veil and we are told what they want us to know. Lastly, I’m a psychologist and used past life regression in therapy, I’m a published channel and an abductees, thus my life experiences and interest in getting to what I feel is my truth in regard to what has been happening to me all my life.

[Mu2143]

Sorry I have not responding earlier, but my 50 hour work week makes it hard to find time to post. I could explain it but Cameron Day and Mark Passio do a better job than I can. They were the first to influence my ideas about the New Age movement. Cameron’s article focuses more on channeling and explains why he thinks it is just a part of the false light Matrix that enslaves souls.

http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/08/23/why-i-am-no-longer-a-light-worker/

The second article explains past life experiences and how they are used by the corrupt demiurgic jin to keep us reincarnating and in essence trapped. I would not say I agree totally with his way clearing or fighting the Matrix because it seems a bit too simple. He has been mediating all his life and what he finds simple I find more difficult to achieve.

http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/11/21/tell-the-lords-of-karma-that-you-are-sovereign-no-longer-a-lightworker-part-2/

Also the book The Eye of Ra, written by Truman Cash, an Avalon member who makes his books available to members.

http://projectavalon.net/Truman_Cash_The_Eye_of_Ra.pdf

He used trauma clearing techniques to access his past lives and came to similar conclusions that Cameron does about reincarnation. Lastly I spoke to a regression therapist who worked with Newton and criticized his methods. He tended to ask leading questions such as “you see your counsel, what are they saying” rather than open ended questions such as what are you seeing. This combined with the manipulation on the other side of veil and we are told what they want us to know. Lastly, I’m a psychologist and used past life regression in therapy, I’m a published channel and an abductees, thus my life experiences and interest in getting to what I feel is my truth in regard to what has been happening to me all my life.

I was reading one of your links and this is not correct


I also recommend a brief daily practice of revoking all agreements to experience hardship, limitation, bad relationships, health problems, financial problems, family dysfunctions, and anything else in your life that is energy-draining.

http://biblehub.com/isaiah/48-10.htm
Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

Your higher self knows what is best the more you try to control
your live the worse you will be in the end.(FEAR = control)
In another word trying to make a decision using your own, on worldly
knowledge when you should have always ask your higher self.
Your higher self is all seeing and knows your path,but if
you want hear your higher self I suggest go to a quiet place
(No sound no Music no distraction and items he can control)
and start asking questions
you might hear a noise or in my case mostly my computer resets
or he will put it in to my mind!!

Unless you have been set free and you
will know when that happens if it happens!!!!!!

the false light does 2 things make sure you do not practice righteousness
And remove all the bad experience your higher self has chosen for you

He is the one in control to refine you in
to his character in the likeness of Great I AM not us BTW
(Jesus already fix the problem it is just the character he need to change, you and that is done by your higher self and you will get the fix!!)

Look at it in this way if it was not all bad why change ??
that is the problem with people they do not change and
will manifest the agenda of the fleshy body.

[Savannah]

Sorry Mu2143 your post makes no sense to me. Are you channeling something here? If your making some type of augment against what I said I cant even follow your logic. If you say my beliefs are wrong I'm not sure what evidence you are using to support your assertions. You say " in my case mostly my computer resets or he will put it in to my mind!!" what in the world are you talking about? I don't believe in the Christian religion, it seems you do. I 'm not going to say your wrong, it's your choice, I made mine. Otherwise I cant make heads nor tails of this rambling post.

[huyi82]

Mystics have said that your belief will take you "wherever" on death but that is not permanent
True in some instances only… not all.
I have been fortunate to do rescue work in the 'astral' since I was 27 and have helped many many humans cross over from body death when stuck due to fear or confusion.
I have not had one case where we were unable to cross these people to their 'home' in some area of the emotional(astral) world. We have rescued drug addicts… killed children and even nuns to name a few.


it's so easy for them to get stuck in the astral, this is why there is so many earthbound spirits around us, some of them stay for 100s if not 1000s of years in the location they died or they manifest a recreation of where they died last and get stuck in it, the dream world is the astral imo and it's a warm up to what we have to prepare for when we cross over, regardless of that a lot of people become unprepared and get stuck in the astral anyway especially if they have no spiritual belief and never believed in the afterlife, murder and a violent death is the hardest one to escape from i think that is why we have so many psychics on this planet, without them so many would be lost forever.

i also agree about the NDE, whatever you want to see you will see it, that is how the astral works, so if a muslim died he will see his version of afterlife and so on, i've read a few NDE stories where they traversed into hell and people saw different things although the burning fire was always there though.

our subconscious mind is a big place (more so than our conscious) add to that fact that the astral plays with our minds aswell, people start to live in their own version of hell, i think that is why tibetan monks prepare themselves spiritually for death so they go to the right place after they die, everyone should prepare themselves before they die but it's not easy to do and stay focused though.

btw i like your avatar, i know the meaning behind it that is why i like it a lot.