San Bernardino, CA Mass Shooting, 2 Dec 2015

[MorningSong]

From 1-3 suspects wearing body armor fires on people at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino CA.

Police are evacuating the buildings. No numbers of injured or dead available at the moment, but journalists have reported at least 20 injured people were seen and counted by him. Another reporter reported he personally saw 3 body bags in the triage area outside the premisis.

Some people who were evacuated from Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, Ca to a nearby golfcourse that is also being used as a landing area for police and medical transport helicopters.

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/san-bernardino-calif-reported-shooting-dec-2-2015/

[MorningSong]

No new info or details yet... just lots of vid showing people on stretchers getting care....

Happened about 11 am.

Watch the NBC news live here:

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/watch-live-nbc-special-report-on-shootings-in-san-bernardino-california-322484291648

[Althena]

Scanner said man with beard ear piece in cammo pants...

[MorningSong]

They are reporting on NBC live coverage that a Swat operation in Pasadena, an hours drive from San Bernardino....could be related to the shooting there. Now, it has been said that it is not connected to the San Bernardino incident.

From breakingnews.com:


Editor's note: Police have not confirmed the number of casualties in the San Bernardino, Calif. shooting, but have confirmed deaths and multiple injuries. There are several reports that a shooter or shooters entered a meeting or party at the Inland Regional Center. Authorities have said the scene is still active and people have been evacuated from the building. -

FBI and US Marshalls have arrived at the scene.

A BOLO (be on the look for) has been dispatched to police for a black SUV.

Several hospitals are confirming recieving wounded from the scene.

A discount mall has been surrounded by police...

Everyone's waiting for answers.


More:
News conference in about 10 minutes.

[Bob]

Strange similar vibe to last week's shooting... 3 dead now, at least 20 injured

==update==

14 dead now, 14 more shot..

==update==

another coincidence, about same time of day as the Colorado shooter last week, and same amount of time for the majority of the incident to be remedied (mostly) shooters handled (terminated) in this case.. about 5 hours

==update==

another copycat (a stalker) just emailed me that they are going to shoot me for not answering the stalker (sic)

[SilentFeathers]

I'm totally calling this a organized false flag type of event...."they" the shadow gov so to speak, are ready to go full blast with this disarming law abiding citizens anti-gun agenda.
This is only a first of a series of well organized hits like this, when they start confiscating guns from every one that is when they will really go insane and unleash cut throat hit teams of muslim jihadi's to cause mass killings and blame it on isis.
Things are about to really get ridiculous over the next 12 months..........that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[RunningDeer]

Article from KevBakerShow.com (http://kevbakershow.com/san-bernadino-shooting/#sthash.0odVcWr8.dpbs)


Multiple Victims In Mass Shooting By Armed Men In San Bernadino
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[Loveisall21]

Another horrible tragedy. And so close to my whereabouts. I'm almost coming to expect to see a headline like this every time I log on. Which I should not do. I feel like as this world gets crazier and crazier the only sane thing to do is just go more within to find my own peace. Thanksgiving weekend I went to the movies and I thought to myself this could be it for us. A lost soul or mind control victim could come in here and spray us all with bullets.

The initial feeling that came up was fear. And then I thought, no, if I'm going to die today so be it. My knowing is that I'm an eternal being and if this experience ends today because I just went to the movies for goodness sake well then I guess that will be how the story ends. But I wasn't going to sit there in fear or leave. So I let it go and any fear I initially felt let go of me.

This is what it's coming to. Anywhere you go something like this can happen. We all have to make a choice of how we will respond emotionally. Regardless of what the real story is behind all these shootings there are of course people who hope this will further their goals of control. And those people want us to feel fear. But to the best of my ability I refuse. And again it just deepens my resolve to find the peace and security within myself. To go within and develop my intuition so it can aid me and others in all life situations. To be as Jesus said, gentle as doves yet cunning as snakes, or something to that effect. And as Jesus said, to be in the world but not of it.

As nightmarish as this world becomes let us not let it take away our peace and our joy. Let it only deepen the resolve of all of us to be so unlike it. My deepest sympathies to the victims and their loved ones.

[raregem]

I'm totally calling this a organized false flag type of event...."they" the shadow gov so to speak, are ready to go full blast with this disarming law abiding citizens anti-gun agenda.
This is only a first of a series of well organized hits like this, when they start confiscating guns from every one that is when they will really go insane and unleash cut throat hit teams of muslim jihadi's to cause mass killings and blame it on isis.
Things are about to really get ridiculous over the next 12 months..........that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Guess who's on front page saying, "This has to stop now. We need better gun control". Hint: She is a she running for prez of u.s.a. .

[Rocky_Shorz]

14 dead, in 3 hours they had time to make it to Mexico, Vegas, area 51...

They are gone if they weren't caught in the shootout an hour away

Imagine having a black SUV and walking out of the grocery store staring at 100 guns...

[SilentFeathers]

I'm totally calling this a organized false flag type of event...."they" the shadow gov so to speak, are ready to go full blast with this disarming law abiding citizens anti-gun agenda.
This is only a first of a series of well organized hits like this, when they start confiscating guns from every one that is when they will really go insane and unleash cut throat hit teams of muslim jihadi's to cause mass killings and blame it on isis.
Things are about to really get ridiculous over the next 12 months..........that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Guess who's on front page saying, "This has to stop now. We need better gun control". Hint: She is a she running for prez of u.s.a. .

also, who do you first think of when you hear of a "Black SUV" with a few men in it armed to the teeth????????????????? This was a military like hit job........and they will go forward with gun confiscation etc soon, but they will fail (but not before massive chaos is everywhere). Things have got too blatant and ridiculous the last few years, too many people are getting wise to the game.

[MorningSong]

At the press conference, they have confirmed at least 14 deceased, 14 with serious injury taken to local hospitals, many other with less serious injuries.

The suspects have fled the scene; they came there with a purpose well prepared for what they intended to do.

FBI stated that they do not know if is an act of terrorism.

FAA has restricted air flight over the area, freeing it up for police air vehicles.

Hospitals, Courts, and Federal Buildings are on lockdown.

[lizfrench]

As usual Obama comes in to tell us there will be more mass shootings (sounds like a veiled threat) if safety gun laws are not passed. Makes me wonder if Obama himself has been told to get America unarmed before his term is up, or else.

[robinr1]

if most everyone on this site agrees that the media cannot be trusted, and is complicit in reporting lies to the worlds people. I must ask why when something of this nature happens does everyone start quoting the mainstream press as if

what they are saying is truthful..

[SilentFeathers]

if most everyone on this site agrees that the media cannot be trusted, and is complicit in reporting lies to the worlds people. I must ask why when something of this nature happens does everyone start quoting the mainstream press as if

what they are saying is truthful..

Truthful or not, it is the narrative. Between every lie is a slip of the truth.......in laymen terms....mass shooting with well trained men in a black suv and before the bodies are cold the pres and far left are only concerned about disarming americans.........it can't get more blatant than that regardless of what the MSM is saying.

[lizfrench]

What I find interesting is my 13 year-old has absolutely no interest in watching or hearing about this "special report", as well as her friends. It's as if the young people are completely aware it is bull**** and they don't buy it energetically. In fact, she and her brother and their friends are NEVER interested in watching what is on the television (not like we were) they look at the T.V. as a dinosaur, outdated, and uninteresting.

[NeedleThreader]

Orchestrated shootings so they can erase the second amendment.

[Zionbrion]

Active shooter drill was also happening simultaneously.
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[SilentFeathers]

What I find interesting is my 13 year-old has absolutely no interest in watching or hearing about this "special report", as well as her friends. It's as if the young people are completely aware it is bull**** and they don't buy it energetically. In fact, she and her brother and their friends are NEVER interested in watching what is on the television (not like we were) they look at the T.V. as a dinosaur, outdated, and uninteresting.

My 12, almost 13 year old daughter is the same way, in one ear and out the other and back to texting her friends on her ipad!!!! lol

[Kano]

Active ahooter drill was also happening simultaneously.
YhbSy_k0jCA

All too familiar "coincidence"...

[Rocky_Shorz]

http://youtu.be/hdwDsn1Wg


days ago they held a shooting drill at this location...

http://youtu.be/hdD9wDsn1Wg
....

[amor]

If the internet information is correct, when they have taken all the people's self defenses away from them, then the NWO communist storm troopers will move in and kill 310 million Americans. After that, I anticipate the NWO artificial intelligence robots (reported by Project Camelot whistleblower) will move in and kill all the Military who killed the population. In their identical storm trooper uniforms, the real military will not know who is wno, but the AI will be in constant communication with each other. The NWO of course have total control of their Robots, or so they think!

[Tesseract]

Target seems highly unusual, feel like there's some missing information here. Who would attack a disability work center? Eugenicists? Hard to explain. Perhaps this was just a soft target and was chosen for tactical reasons by the perpetrators, who appear to have been well organised and probably researched their target area well. I read that a conference was in progress, wonder what the topic was..

No idea if this was done by radical Islamists, but while this news was breaking the UK parliament was debating whether or not to bomb ISIS in Syria. There was a vote and bombing has been approved by parliament. I wonder if this event entered into that debate.

[Rocky_Shorz]

2 suspects shot one still shooting surrounded in an intersection

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Rapid fire shots right now a suspect is running

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Lol a pickup just drove through the shootout

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They are showing the dead driver on live tv

[Rocky_Shorz]

Swat vehicles have now pulled up to the SUV looks over

They are still searching for 1 suspect in the neighborhood

[Bob]

Target seems highly unusual, feel like there's some missing information here. Who would attack a disability work center? Eugenicists? Hard to explain. Perhaps this was just a soft target and was chosen for tactical reasons by the perpetrators, who appear to have been well organised and probably researched their target area well. I read that a conference was in progress, wonder what the topic was..

No idea if this was done by radical Islamists, but while this news was breaking the UK parliament was debating whether or not to bomb ISIS in Syria. There was a vote and bombing has been approved by parliament. I wonder if this event entered into that debate.

Simultaneously during the shootout, news is reporting that in Colorado, north of Denver, a swat officer was shot . Swat officer transferred to hospital, perp died at the scene.. (you saw my message update earlier, that I just received a death threat from a known felony warrant stalker.. received about the same time?) seems more like psychos than false flag to me. Colorado is PRO gun, and sheriff's have said they will fight ANY attempt to disarm state residents.

[Rocky_Shorz]

they arrested the 2 in the car that took off from the SUV, driver of the SUV was bagged...

It's over

[Zionbrion]

they arrested the 2 in the car that took off from the SUV, driver of the SUV was bagged...

It's over

It makes no sense they would keep the same vehicle, with its information posted all over the news.

[RunningDeer]

Two live feeds:


LIVE: Mass Shooting in San Bernardino, California. At least 14 dead.
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Started on Dec 2, 2015
Police are looking for one to three suspects involved in a mass shooting at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, CA. We are hearing reports that 20 people have been shot and 12 people killed.


LIVE: Mass Shooting in San Bernardino, California. Up to 20 possibly shot
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[Snoweagle]

This is modern Circus theatrics and is nothing more than false Flag events.

Obama and his vile agents of the New World order will ensure a constant flow of this kind of news event to drive the population towards weapon neutrality. They will use any mechanism to single out the weak and leave them desperate enough to reach for their weapons.

That is of course, if they haven't already masqueraded the whole media scam with the Semitic Media Corporations. Another exercise running simultaneously. Really?

The American dollar is on the verge of collapse. When that happens the Government is virtually useless. Americans will then have to fend for themselves which is what they will be able to do when they are armed with their own weapons. The PNAC US Government wants them obedient and subservient, slaves and the people can see right through this semite scam. Always using division to garner support, piece by piece.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87169-China--s-Renminbi-Is-Approved-as-a-Main-World-Currency

The constant attacks on the Black community in America is doing just the same, driving seperation of communities, Blacks, Hispanics, Whites or what ever, each community each is dealt wiith in the cruelest terms.

Why is this crappy story taking precedence over the American police shooting an unarmed Negro seventeen (17) times at point blank range!
Why is this taking priority over the American police justifying shooting a twelve year old Negro boy playing in a park with a plastic toy?

Why no discussion on those events?

The reason is here we deliberate and discuss and it is here that the influencers ply their wares. Wailing and wooing their condemnation and pleading "fluffy kitten" support to stop this craziness by disarming the population. And amending and introducing new laws.

Always driven by the same core group. This is another false flag in my opinion. Can't wait to see the passports on this one.

[Althena]

Active shooter drill was also happening simultaneously.
YhbSy_k0jCA

Nobody noticed this puppet's cap?? Illuminaughty anyone??

[Althena]

If the internet information is correct, when they have taken all the people's self defenses away from them, then the NWO communist storm troopers will move in and kill 310 million Americans. After that, I anticipate the NWO artificial intelligence robots (reported by Project Camelot whistleblower) will move in and kill all the Military who killed the population. In their identical storm trooper uniforms, the real military will not know who is wno, but the AI will be in constant communication with each other. The NWO of course have total control of their Robots, or so they think!


The armed citizens and militia will stop any attempt to corrupt our values. Good luck with that...

[6pounder]

One week passed and another shooting... What a coincidence! Feels like something didn't come up as planned with the first one (probably not enough public interest) so here we go again (probably the more casualties the more vibe they will make on the public)...

[robinr1]

you know who exhibits the most constant attacks on the black community? that would be the black community. the pure numbers regarding black violence in America are astounding, and you never ever hear the media reporting on that either.





This is modern Circus theatrics and is nothing more than false Flag events.

Obama and his vile agents of the New World order will ensure a constant flow of this kind of news event to drive the population towards weapon neutrality. They will use any mechanism to single out the weak and leave them desperate enough to reach for their weapons.

That is of course, if they haven't already masqueraded the whole media scam with the Semitic Media Corporations. Another exercise running simultaneously. Really?

The American dollar is on the verge of collapse. When that happens the Government is virtually useless. Americans will then have to fend for themselves which is what they will be able to do when they are armed with their own weapons. The PNAC US Government wants them obedient and subservient, slaves and the people can see right through this semite scam. Always using division to garner support, piece by piece.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87169-China--s-Renminbi-Is-Approved-as-a-Main-World-Currency

The constant attacks on the Black community in America is doing just the same, driving seperation of communities, Blacks, Hispanics, Whites or what ever, each community each is dealt wiith in the cruelest terms.

Why is this crappy story taking precedence over the American police shooting an unarmed Negro seventeen (17) times at point blank range!
Why is this taking priority over the American police justifying shooting a twelve year old Negro boy playing in a park with a plastic toy?

Why no discussion on those events?

The reason is here we deliberate and discuss and it is here that the influencers ply their wares. Wailing and wooing their condemnation and pleading "fluffy kitten" support to stop this craziness by disarming the population. And amending and introducing new laws.

Always driven by the same core group. This is another false flag in my opinion. Can't wait to see the passports on this one.

[Zionbrion]

Just realized this is a perfect distraction fron the evidence Russia has released today implicating Turkey in the islamic state oil trade.

[cursichella1]

From 1-3 suspects wearing body armor fires on people at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino CA.


Breaking: mass shooting, San Bernardino, plus "training exercise"
by Jon Rappoport
December 2, 2015


KTLA reports---here's a key quote:

"The call first came in at 10:59 a.m. of multiple shots fired from the area of 1365 S. Waterman Ave., San Bernardino Police Department Lt. Richard Lawhead said. The department's SWAT team was training nearby and was suited, 'ready to roll' and responded rapidly, Lawhead said."

---Yet another mass shooting where, by chance, a training exercise was going on during or prior to the event.

San Bernardino, east of Los Angeles. Reports state several shooters in a cluster of three office buildings that employ 600 people, 20 victims down, and shooters apparently at large.

Here is a recent article I wrote about mass shootings paralleling training exercises:

Training exercises dovetail with mass shootings What are the odds? (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001xPek0QR55zWuaRl1d2-_taJnqUiuToJHvau8C_eD39OtZlSSlRCDzLbNtcep7DzH2rODKb2r4RTL0ie_6amF_CltqKD-N22DzK5UKF6CpaybVzaVtP7d3dqV54jwW0FNXnYFSL2fwIlqyGKiLSca3yyNMcsCtPMKwLT-A13eyEw3VCdrymylrrs8xHItyWUpZtoP9xUq4AI062NEZCzdgcPETnaQeLS8OJD-g_o2BFbwdUENAoxEadIwxIxFB6V2bWKZpaQJYWspkGpgE6QjkQ==&c=h_NeuaajaCtGani2LHYCEwv2rmhiJFlc1WsbTo91ueEr0VXH3gnqRQ==&ch=dn7G2NV-ove1YG2Eqq1D8XKYXt982CxuB7AVYn5CsZMkxxHUflaKtQ==)

[Althena]

From 1-3 suspects wearing body armor fires on people at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino CA.


Breaking: mass shooting, San Bernardino, plus "training exercise"
by Jon Rappoport
December 2, 2015


KTLA reports---here's a key quote:

"The call first came in at 10:59 a.m. of multiple shots fired from the area of 1365 S. Waterman Ave., San Bernardino Police Department Lt. Richard Lawhead said. The department's SWAT team was training nearby and was suited, 'ready to roll' and responded rapidly, Lawhead said."

---Yet another mass shooting where, by chance, a training exercise was going on during or prior to the event.

San Bernardino, east of Los Angeles. Reports state several shooters in a cluster of three office buildings that employ 600 people, 20 victims down, and shooters apparently at large.

Here is a recent article I wrote about mass shootings paralleling training exercises:

Training exercises dovetail with mass shootings What are the odds? (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001xPek0QR55zWuaRl1d2-_taJnqUiuToJHvau8C_eD39OtZlSSlRCDzLbNtcep7DzH2rODKb2r4RTL0ie_6amF_CltqKD-N22DzK5UKF6CpaybVzaVtP7d3dqV54jwW0FNXnYFSL2fwIlqyGKiLSca3yyNMcsCtPMKwLT-A13eyEw3VCdrymylrrs8xHItyWUpZtoP9xUq4AI062NEZCzdgcPETnaQeLS8OJD-g_o2BFbwdUENAoxEadIwxIxFB6V2bWKZpaQJYWspkGpgE6QjkQ==&c=h_NeuaajaCtGani2LHYCEwv2rmhiJFlc1WsbTo91ueEr0VXH3gnqRQ==&ch=dn7G2NV-ove1YG2Eqq1D8XKYXt982CxuB7AVYn5CsZMkxxHUflaKtQ==)

Nothing is shocking anymore...

[Bob]

Quote Posted by MorningSong
From 1-3 suspects wearing body armor fires on people at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino CA.

Obviously the body armour didn't protect the perps, and usually doesn't when the police swat are insistent on taking out the perps.. In the Colorado Shooter thread (also in this sub-forum) there was a discussion about swat capturing if possible, and a mention that in California and elsewhere the trend is KILL the PERP on the spot.. Basically then body armour that perps may be wearing really is useless against swat team activity.. but maybe would protect from somebody's 9 mm glock or something that one of the people in the building may have for self protection..

[Bill Ryan]

32094

Active shooter drill was also happening simultaneously.
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Nobody noticed this puppet's cap?? Illuminaughty anyone??

This is a slightly corrected screenshot of his cap badge:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=32094&cid=1&stc=1

It looks very much like this, which is the badge of the Masonic Blue Lodge:

http://crackberry.com/sites/crackberry.com/files/styles/w325/public/images/wallpaper_20101026105001_19281122622.jpg?itok=6bcuxAgt

—> http://evangelicaltruth.com/fmblue.html

[Tesseract]

I hope that this event does not hand the Presidency to Donald Trump. If it is a crime by muslims, you can imagine the show we're in for.

[Lone Bean]

As Mike R. used to say........"pass the popcorn".

[Althena]

32094

Active shooter drill was also happening simultaneously.
YhbSy_k0jCA

Nobody noticed this puppet's cap?? Illuminaughty anyone??

This is a slightly corrected screenshot of his cap badge:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=32094&cid=1&stc=1

It looks very much like this, which is the badge of the Masonic Blue Lodge:

http://crackberry.com/sites/crackberry.com/files/styles/w325/public/images/wallpaper_20101026105001_19281122622.jpg?itok=6bcuxAgt

—> http://evangelicaltruth.com/fmblue.html

Blue Lodges, Craft Lodges or Ancient Craft Lodges refer to the lodges that work the first three Masonic degrees, rather than the appendant Masonic orders such as York Rite and Scottish Rite. The term "Craft Lodge" is used in Great Britain.




Indeed , blatantly in your face during a 'crisis"...

[mgray]

Information not adding up. Shooting involves Muslim employee of the county health dept. Claims that The suspect is identified as Syed Farook a devout Muslim according to his family.

Floating idea that there was an altercation at party and he came back with friends in combat armor gear with rifles and pipe bombs?

Doesn't ring true.

[cursichella1]

I can't think of a more ridiculously unlikely location for three real armed men to carry out a shooting. One nutty shooter, maybe. But three guys going after people at a community center for the disabled? Why there and not at a Wal-Mart or somewhere else generic?

Because there'd be less sympathy and tear-jerking over a shooting happening somewhere generic (and it seems many have become numb or "used to" hearing about school shootings).

A major tearjerker shooting is the only way to reach those who haven't yet joined the gun control bandwagon. "Ok, well, I have to draw the line when it comes to the disabled." It wouldn't be surprising if the next staged shooting happened at a puppy mill...

Funny, all of these shootings and the target never, ever, ever seems to be someone we wouldn't miss or be better off without. Now how can that be?

[WildOrchid]

:yawn: Yawn....
And the circus of "terror and beating" the populace (sheeple) into fear, submission and agreement to certain agendas continues...

So I ask: " And WHO would most likely benefit from another mass shooting?"
You decide, - but some of the links below may help shed some light of truth to this question.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/san-bernardino-shooting-obama/index.html

https://outlawpatriotnews.wordpress.com/2015/10/17/hillary-clinton-nationwide-gun-ban-repeal-of-second-amendment-worth-considering/

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/01/457920110/after-planned-parenthood-shooting-obama-again-calls-for-action-on-guns?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=politics

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/09/obama-important-second-amendment-responsible-for-high-homicide-rates/

Bla..bla..bla...
etc..etc...

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[Rocky_Shorz]

Monday they held a shooting drill at this location...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdD9wDsn1Wg
....

Sorry I am posting from my phone today, on Monday was the shooters drill, the video also points out this area was part of Jade Helm...

2 were arrested, and 2 were killed, and yes there were only 3

A man and woman were killed, one is in custody

[ZooLife]

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As I watch the above video I often wonder how many people see what I see.

https://herbertimo.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/wpid-giphy-4.gif


Do you think this was a random guy asking an unscripted question to Clinton broadcast on live TV?

No way No how.

But that is way they want it to look to the viewer.

Are you fooled?

[dredsen]

Hillary never answers a question not pre-submitted in writting.

it really bugs me that the admin is downplaying the fact that this was a terror attack. its like they are defending the shooters. one headline said the shooter was a"dad living the american dream" .

not calling the attack what it was (a terror attack perpetrated by islamic radicals) dishonors all those who died and robs the nation of its ability to properly grieve and process the event.

[Mark]

He was well liked at work. They held a baby shower for him before the birth of their new baby. They were "living the American Dream". He supposedly stormed out after a "testy exchange" with a co-worker. My co-workers are trying to convince me all Muslims are crazy and they wouldn't care if they had a 6 month old baby.

Doesn't add up.

[Zionbrion]

Now that the identities of the shooters has been disclosed, they have made sure to highlight the fact, at least in the MSM articles I checked out, that the guns were purchased legally.

Also if it was an altercation and he left and came back, they sure were prepared having all the tactical gear and bombs ready to go.

Smells fishy.

[Cidersomerset]

I just looked on the BBC news page and an article from Natural news, about
a shooting earlier today. I have not heard much else about it yet ?

This could be a gun control or boots on ground in Syria ' false flag' or
just a couple who have ' lost the plot ' ? Rather subdued reporting
at the moment , it all seems a 'matter of fact', routine . Uhm !!

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San Bernardino shooting: The story of the attack

3 December 2015 Last updated at 05:00 GMT

At least 14 people were killed after gunmen attacked a community centre in San Bernardino.

Two heavily armed suspects were killed in a shootout with police.

Police confirmed that the suspects were armed with assault rifles and handguns and
were wearing "assault-style clothing".

This is how events unfolded.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34991990

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Police: Suspects identified in San Bernardino shooting

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NATURAL NEWS..........

Active shooter drills carried out EVERY MONTH at San Bernardino Inland Regional
Center... staff tweeted 'drill started' as police raid began

Thursday, December 03, 2015
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Tags: active shooter drills, San Bernardino shooting, Inland Regional Center


http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Bernadino-Scene-Police.jpg

‘Get this: The location where the shooting was carried out today in San Bernardino
— the Inland Regional Center — has been subjected to monthly active shooter
drills, we’re now learning.

This adds even more evidence to the notion that this may be a staged false flag
event to provide Obama justification for outlawing private firearms ownership
among law-abiding citizens.

From the LA Times:

At the Inland Regional Center, where she’s a nurse, the staff works with clients and
parents of clients who are sometimes angry. They have active-shooter drills every
month or so.’

Read more: Active shooter drills carried out EVERY MONTH at San Bernardino
Inland Regional Center… staff tweeted ‘drill started’ as police raid began

http://www.naturalnews.com/052196_active_shooter_drills_San_Bernardino_shooting_Inland_Regional_Center.html#

[Cidersomerset]

Was San Bernardino Shooting a False Flag?

O_BCovOZkoU

Published on 2 Dec 2015


14 people were killed at the Inland regional center in California. The same location where
in days past active shooter drills had taken place. Now the police say this shooting started
because of a dispute at a party. At this point the shooters went home. Dressed in what
mainstream media calls assault clothing and grabbed assault rifles. There are also reports
of bombs at the scene. Which tells me that this is a premeditated attack. Nurses in the
center thought today's shooting was a drill. This occurred in a area with gun control already
in place and monsters like Hillary Clinton have taken to Twitter to call for more Gun Control.
The weapons used were illegally obtained, so how can more fun control counter that? This
has false flag written all over it? What do you think?


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'Devout' Muslim US citizen and his wife are identified as heavily- armed suspects
who burst into his office holiday party and killed at least 14 people
Two suspects were killed by police in San Bernardino after a mass shooting at a
conference center today

Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, were killed in a gun battle with police after the mass shooting
Farook is said to have traveled to Saudi Arabia earlier this year and returned with a wife - and a baby followed
Police said 14 died and a 17 were wounded after suspects opened fire at the Inland Regional Center on Wednesday
San Bernardino Police Chief said shooters wore 'assault-style' clothing and had handguns and assault rifles
Rampage reportedly sparked after gunman had an argument at a holiday party at the Inland Regional Center
It is not known if he left of his own accord or was kicked out, but sources say he returned heavily armed
Cops were in a dramatic standoff with the suspects after reports that up to three people were on the loose
Suspects reportedly threw pipe bombs out of the windows of their SUV before they were taken down by police
An officer was taken to hospital with non life-threatening injuries after the standoff on a residential street
See more of the latest news and updates on the San Bernardino mass shooting

By Khaleda Rahman and Snejana Farberov and Chris Pleasance For Dailymail.com
and Ruth Styles In San Bernardino For Dailymail.com

Published: 19:49, 2 December 2015 | Updated: 14:42, 3 December 2015

read more....


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[Cidersomerset]

Just noticed other thread no wonder its a bit quite, I did not get on till late as
had work today and a bit tired and missed it even though I looked ...LOL



Just Breaking: San Bernardino, CA Mass Shooting Underway Now

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87236-Just-Breaking-San-Bernardino-CA-Mass-Shooting-Underway-Now

[LivioRazlo]

As the days draw closer to Christmas, I fear the worst has yet to be seen.

[Darla Ken Pearce]

Notice that DRILLS were being performed during this latest incident. Seems to be a common ploy to these False Flag operations.

Such distractions are needed to keep people off balance and fearful, so we will be seeing more of them.

[AriG]

Check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoLET1g-1Zk

There has to be some sort of pattern to these "events". Anyone here good with algorithms? Might be helpful to predict the next one and do a little advance surveillance.

edit to add:

Maybe we should do a map of all of these ff events and put it to the string test. See if anything recognizable pops up.

[AriG]

here is some interesting data: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

A comprehensive list of US mass shootings since the 80's. Doesn't include the last two.

[TargeT]

Well the media is doing its job..... Divide and conquer for all!


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVTDkULUEAAGwfJ.jpg

San Bernardino shooting suspect traveled to Saudi Arabia (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-syed-farook-had-traveled-to-saudi-arabia-married-appeared-to-live-american-dream-co-workers-say-20151202-story.html)

San Bernardino police announced tonight that the Islamic killers who slaughtered 14 people at a community social services building were wearing GoPro cameras. (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/police-san-bernardino-killers-were-wearing-gopro-cameras-during-massacre/)

Muslim San Bernardino gunman was 'radicalized by known terrorists' before he and Pakistani-born wife collected masses of ammunition, built more a than dozen pipe bombs and left their baby behind to slaughter 14 people at a holiday party (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3344350/Devout-Muslim-citizen-Saudi-wife-living-American-Dream-identified-heavily-armed-duo-burst-office-holiday-party-slaughtered-14-leaving-baby-mother.html#ixzz3tHmlG5U0)

and of course....
White House plans executive action to expand background checks for gun sales (http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/la-na-obama-gun-order-20151203-story.html)

[Althena]

Notice that DRILLS were being performed during this latest incident. Seems to be a common ploy to these False Flag operations.

Such distractions are needed to keep people off balance and fearful, so we will be seeing more of them.

BPUEfogBipY

[Ki's]

This 'obvious' false flag has to be something other than gun control. The perps were well prepared Muslims...that will only serve to make people MORE determined to keep their weapons. Something else is going on here.

One thing really disturbing about these scenario's ... I remember when hostages coming out of a situation were physically 'covered' by a police officers body as they were hustled away from the scene. Now the 'victims' are marched out with their hands on their heads.

I don't think these are about gun control as much as psychological preparation. There are military experts somewhere watching very carefully ....evaluating and fine tuning the responses and reactions of the victims.

[TargeT]

I don't think these are about gun control as much as psychological preparation. There are military experts somewhere watching very carefully ....evaluating and fine tuning the responses and reactions of the victims.

maybe an attempt to get people to "warm up" to the middle east war drumming that's coming out of Washington?

[jaybee]

Hillary never answers a question not pre-submitted in writting.

it really bugs me that the admin is downplaying the fact that this was a terror attack. its like they are defending the shooters. one headline said the shooter was a"dad living the american dream" .

not calling the attack what it was (a terror attack perpetrated by islamic radicals) dishonors all those who died and robs the nation of its ability to properly grieve and process the event.


I hear you

.

[Althena]

This 'obvious' false flag has to be something other than gun control. The perps were well prepared Muslims...that will only serve to make people MORE determined to keep their weapons. Something else is going on here.

One thing really disturbing about these scenario's ... I remember when hostages coming out of a situation were physically 'covered' by a police officers body as they were hustled away from the scene. Now the 'victims' are marched out with their hands on their heads.

I don't think these are about gun control as much as psychological preparation. There are military experts somewhere watching very carefully ....evaluating and fine tuning the responses and reactions of the victims.

I concur, they're conditioning the population for something big, also this area is inside the Jade Helm exercise...

[WildOrchid]

In reference to my previous post....http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87236-San-Bernardino-CA-Mass-Shooting-2-Dec-2015&p=1025727&viewfull=1#post1025727

This gave me belly laugh....:ROFL:

"Terrorists Will Stop Attacking if We Pass Gun Control Laws" (http://www.infowars.com/obama-white-house-terrorists-will-stop-attacking-if-we-pass-gun-control-laws/)
(click on link to read full article) (http://www.infowars.com/obama-white-house-terrorists-will-stop-attacking-if-we-pass-gun-control-laws/)

Oh, such "wisdom", such "leadership"!:sarcastic:

[Rocky_Shorz]

The person arrested never fired a shot...

8 pipe bombs found at the home like the one brought to the attack that didn't work.

Trump lost his mind today, once again stuck on the birther spin...

I spoke to 3 gunowners today, asked what they thought of handing over their guns...

All 3 had the exact same response

Over my dead body, I need them now more than ever.

Asked a few non gun owners, their replies were the same

People that shouldn't have guns can buy them whenever they want...

Is major media broadcasting MK again?

or is Russia hitting all of us from satellite to keep us too busy to worry about keeping Isis alive...

[ghostrider]

the neighbors of main shooter say they saw middle eastern men unloading boxes late at night , thought it was suspicious but didn't report it ... go figure ... to me this was straight up terrorism ...

[MacStar]

Definitely more than one Agenda going on with this. Does anybody elses feel that all of these "Terror Attack events" are tied together?
DAHBOO77/777 has been very vigilant with his uploads and observations.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXAUgbDJ8fU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKwRizSBZWA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-OLxV5YvP8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zingOWJoQ7M

As for Jade Helm15,well this was posted July,20 which I found interesting:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CDsig4x-c

Yes,I feel that the Sydney attack,Paris,London,San Bernardino,The Pope,that nutter Trump,Syria,Russia/Turkey incident etc are all part of the same Agenda.

It's a lot of noise going on out there,it's orchestrated and socially engineered.

We are supposed to be overloaded...that leads to hasty assumptions that we need saving. Follow the money trail and you'll see that some countries are pissed about missing out on the oil, so the "Boogeyman" hunt continues.

[MacStar]

Jonathan Pie has a few choice words to say about some current events.
It "may" be satire but I think he's pretty well on the money.
(Language warning)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syjp9lsWBhc

[WildOrchid]

Definitely more than one Agenda going on with this. Does anybody elses feel that all of these "Terror Attack events" are tied together?
DAHBOO77/777 has been very vigilant with his uploads and observations.

Yes,I feel that the Sydney attack,Paris,London,San Bernardino,The Pope,that nutter Trump,Syria,Russia/Turkey incident etc are all part of the same Agenda.

It's a lot of noise going on out there,it's orchestrated and socially engineered.

We are supposed to be overloaded...that leads to hasty assumptions that we need saving. Follow the money trail and you'll see that some countries are pissed about missing out on the oil, so the "Boogeyman" hunt continues.

There are always multiple agendas (overload), guns are among them. Beat us into submission so they can "save" us etc... Just like this joker admitted a while ago....
1yeA_kHHLow

[MacStar]

This 'obvious' false flag has to be something other than gun control. The perps were well prepared Muslims...that will only serve to make people MORE determined to keep their weapons. Something else is going on here.

One thing really disturbing about these scenario's ... I remember when hostages coming out of a situation were physically 'covered' by a police officers body as they were hustled away from the scene. Now the 'victims' are marched out with their hands on their heads.

I don't think these are about gun control as much as psychological preparation. There are military experts somewhere watching very carefully ....evaluating and fine tuning the responses and reactions of the victims.

I concur, they're conditioning the population for something big, also this area is inside the Jade Helm exercise...

Totally agree @Althena.

To normalise Military prescence in public places.

I like Jesse's take on this particular issue:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3IhN7itG6Y

[Chuck_M]

David Icke is so accurate about his problem/reaction/solution analysis. The shadow government stages a terror attack, everyone gets afraid, and then they take away more of our freedoms or mount a preplanned attack on "foreign enemies." And they need the media to focus everyone's attention on how bad the terrorist attack is, conveniently neglecting to mention how increasingly safe Americans are. According to an article in the HuffPost, "Between 1993 and 2012, the violent crime rate (homicide, robbery, rape and aggravated assault) in the United States dropped by 48 percent." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-weisser/violent-crime-cities_b_4760996.html). I don't know how many Americans have died this year from "terrorist" attacks, but I see figures on the internet that between 150 and 450 die each year from taking too much Tylenol! How about some news coverage on how dangerous the pharmaceutical industry is to our health, just for a little perspective on how much we have to fear from "terrorists"? I think Michael Moore had it right in "Bowling for Columbine" when he compared gun violence in the US and Canada, which apparently have about equal gun ownership. He attributed the greater US crime rate in part to the media's obsession with reporting any act of violence over and over ad nauseam, and to politicians' harping on crime and race as a way to get elected. But even if we do have more gun deaths than they do in Canada, violent crime is apparently going down, which the media conveniently fails to mention. After all, how can they stir up a frenzied reaction if they tell us that on balance we are becoming safer?

[WildOrchid]

Just could not resist...;)
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn2-b.examiner.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fimage_content_width%2Fhash%2Fd9%2F97%2Fd99703338 575a9d1056d0596e2f86642.jpg%3Fitok%3Diw4Q3kDz&f=1
http://www.examiner.com/article/false-flag-or-fanatical-flag-people-died-paris

[MacStar]

LMAO ^^^^^^^^^ :bigsmile:

Sorry,I just had to as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJiaohaMrOA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n02qgqtpRKY

It seems TPTB don't really have to try that hard.

[M-Albion-3D]

Jim Stone always strikes me as a dedicated independent journalist and applaud his talents at getting to the bottom of most things evidently. I do not however agree with him regarding his blanket views on the Jewish people. Personally, I believe the "true Jews" are the one people who are the victims in all of this going back many many years and they have my sincerest sympathy and support. The "fake Jews" on the other hand, are an entirely different matter....

My view....since WTC7 was unequivocally a false flag event of unprecedented scale, for us, the "people of the world" simply MUST take every questionable event like the one in San Bernardino and cry; "guilty of FALSE FLAG until proven innocent"!

We just have no other choice until such time as the real perpetrators of 9-11 are finally brought to justice.





Here's Jim Stone's take on San Bernardino:


"You can get lies anywhere, even Infowars, Zero hedge and others are pumping B.S. on this topic and I don't call it responsible to find the clearest story in the MSM and parrot it. The entire story line is a fabrication, and there is cold hard proof.

In the picture below, the Mexican press had a full helicopter fly around of the top scene, and it DEFINITELY is not the second scene, there is no error there, the entire story is fake and rotten to the core AND FOR THOSE WHO CLAIM TO BE "ALTERNATIVE" OR "TRUTHERS" TO PARROT IT AS THE MSM PRESENTS IT IS A DISSERVICE TO EVERYONE AND A BACK STAB TO EVERYONE YOU PRETEND TO INFORM.


I have a message to the "alternative" media: There is no B.S. here and if you want to comfortably sit the fence parroting MSM B.S. just because it is the safest thing and easiest thing to do you have no place, you might as well be them and all you will do is enable world war 3 by failing to apply your brain in even the simplest way. If you are that intellectually tired, GO TO BED, it would be better to hear nothing from you than to hear a scammer's lie repeated"!

- Jim Stone


http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethise6.html

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/Stone_zpsd5ix7xqw.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/Stone_zpsd5ix7xqw.jpg.html)

[TargeT]

Was San Bernardino False Flag to cover for the Turkey - Russia situation?
kLMrE7L4kak
Great video...


What we are being distracted FROM:
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[jaybee]

Was San Bernardino False Flag to cover for the Turkey - Russia situation?


I didn't have you down as an 'everything's a false flag' type of guy, TargeT... :ohwell:

From what I've seen it's pretty straight forward with the San Bernardino mass murder -

A devoted follower of Islam who probably supports the Islamic State - gets tooled up in preparation for a lone wolf type attack (but on this occasion a lone wolf and wife attack).... get's himself fired up and 'does his bit' (as he sees it) for Islam and the Islamic State - as a foot soldier behind enemy lines - -

[Carmody]

David Icke is so accurate about his problem/reaction/solution analysis. The shadow government stages a terror attack, everyone gets afraid, and then they take away more of our freedoms or mount a preplanned attack on "foreign enemies." And they need the media to focus everyone's attention on how bad the terrorist attack is, conveniently neglecting to mention how increasingly safe Americans are. According to an article in the HuffPost, "Between 1993 and 2012, the violent crime rate (homicide, robbery, rape and aggravated assault) in the United States dropped by 48 percent." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-weisser/violent-crime-cities_b_4760996.html). I don't know how many Americans have died this year from "terrorist" attacks, but I see figures on the internet that between 150 and 450 die each year from taking too much Tylenol! How about some news coverage on how dangerous the pharmaceutical industry is to our health, just for a little perspective on how much we have to fear from "terrorists"? I think Michael Moore had it right in "Bowling for Columbine" when he compared gun violence in the US and Canada, which apparently have about equal gun ownership. He attributed the greater US crime rate in part to the media's obsession with reporting any act of violence over and over ad nauseam, and to politicians' harping on crime and race as a way to get elected. But even if we do have more gun deaths than they do in Canada, violent crime is apparently going down, which the media conveniently fails to mention. After all, how can they stir up a frenzied reaction if they tell us that on balance we are becoming safer?

The per capita gun ownership of Canada VS the USA is not the same. However, when you qualify the deaths from guns per capita vs the number of guns per capita, Canada has a lower crime rate by a factor probably close to 10.

However, Canada has mostly 'long guns' (rifles and shotguns) and not much in the way of pistols and handguns per capita. Even though handguns can be obtained in Canada. Canadian rifles are more in the hands of people who use them for their intended purpose, and not as a way of embellishing or openly wearing their political stance or emotional stance. The USA probably has 10-40x more handguns per capita than Canada.

Canadians are more practical with their weapons, the rifles and shotguns being a well used simple tool in a toolbox...which actually makes them more dangerous and effective, as the guns have generally had considerable field use ...compared to that of rifles and shotguns owned by US citizens. If someone wanted to fight a ground war in Canada, they'd probably find themselves being consistently shot at from +500 yards out from well cared for accurized high powered rifles.... while in the deep woods or the city. An entire country of experienced snipers, essentially. It's Finland all over again, with less hills.

[TargeT]

I didn't have you down as an 'everything's a false flag' type of guy, TargeT... :ohwell:
From what I've seen it's pretty straight forward with the San Bernardino mass murder -
A devoted follower of Islam who probably supports the Islamic State - gets tooled up in preparation for a lone wolf type attack (but on this occasion a lone wolf and wife attack).... get's himself fired up and 'does his bit' (as he sees it) for Islam and the Islamic State - as a foot soldier behind enemy lines - -

Oh I'm definitely not a "false flag behind every bush" type of guy... this one has the markers though... it's just too fishy when you dig into the details of the situation; plus the timing with what ELSE is going on is pretty interesting (I don't believe in coincidence).

And just as the story sort of is slowing down, loosing momentum, THIS crap happens:
http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzEyLzA0LzQ1L1NCaG9tZTExMTEuZWQxMDIuanBnCnAJdGh1bWIJOTUweDUzNCMKZQlqcGc/579f3be8/8fa/SBhome1111.jpg
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/#UPpYBJNmQgqa

That's pretty suspicious right there.... no one is that stupid.. not even journalists.




However, Canada has mostly 'long guns' (rifles and shotguns) and not much in the way of pistols and handguns per capita. Even though handguns can be obtained in Canada. Canadian rifles are more in the hands of people who use them for their intended purpose, and not as a way of embellishing or openly wearing their political stance or emotional stance. The USA probably has 10-40x more handguns per capita than Canada.


well the only thing we do know is this:

more guns = less gun violence.


On December 3, The Washington Post reported that gun crime has been on the decline for about 20 years, except for high-profile shootings in gun-free zones; WaPo claims those shootings are on the increase.

According to WaPo, “In 1993, there were seven homicides by firearm for every 100,000 Americans. … By 2013, that figure had fallen by nearly half, to 3.6 [per 100,000].”

Breitbart News previously pointed to this decline and explained it correlated with a massive increase in privately owned firearms over the same period of time. For example, Congressional Research Service showed that the number of privately owned firearms increased from 192 million in 1994 to 310 million in 2009. And record background checks under Obama make it easy to see how tens of millions more privately owned guns have found their way into Americans’ hands since 2009.

So gun ownership increased for 20 years, but “gun homicides” decreased–except in gun free zones.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/04/washington-post-gun-violence-declining-except-gun-free-zones/

So I disagree with the tone of your post, US citizens don't have guns to "wear their political or emotional states physically". And I bet if we correlate numbers between Canada and the US we'll see some interesting statistics.

[Carmody]

So I disagree with the tone of your post, US citizens don't have guns to "wear their political or emotional states physically". And I bet if we correlate numbers between Canada and the US we'll see some interesting statistics.

Just my way of saying that Canadians are probably, on average, quieter about their gun ownership. (If they have any) Political stance and questions surrounding such areas rarely takes a turn to the subject of guns.

[Savannah]

Rob Emanuel being asked to step down over Police shootings. He is an Obama insider. I think not only are they trying to take guns from the public but also the Police. The Police don't carry guns in Brittan because the citizens don't. All of this is relentless campaign to prevent us from exercising our constitutional right to over throw our government if we deem it necessary. When I came into work today one of my naive Colleagues was out raged that terrorists can buy a gun "I heard it on the news today". They are brain washing the population.

[jaybee]

I didn't have you down as an 'everything's a false flag' type of guy, TargeT... :ohwell:
From what I've seen it's pretty straight forward with the San Bernardino mass murder -
A devoted follower of Islam who probably supports the Islamic State - gets tooled up in preparation for a lone wolf type attack (but on this occasion a lone wolf and wife attack).... get's himself fired up and 'does his bit' (as he sees it) for Islam and the Islamic State - as a foot soldier behind enemy lines - -

Oh I'm definitely not a "false flag behind every bush" type of guy... this one has the markers though... it's just too fishy when you dig into the details of the situation; plus the timing with what ELSE is going on is pretty interesting (I don't believe in coincidence).




Re what else is going on --- well the Islamic State and affiliated groups are getting a pounding and it's supporters aren't going to be very happy with that - it was all going so well till Russia stepped in and spoiled the party -

but you are entitled to your opinion if you think it's ''fishy''

what I think is fishy is the way the Alternative Media seems to twist EVERYTHING that happens like this to be a False Flag...

Then we have the Main Stream Media that seems to twist EVERYTHING to fit in with their propaganda -

We have to keep our wits about us - to make our own judgements about it all - IMO - and not be overly influenced by others who may (or may not) have an agenda -

:thumb:


.

[WildOrchid]

LMAO ^^^^^^^^^ :bigsmile:
Sorry,I just had to as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n02qgqtpRKY
It seems TPTB don't really have to try that hard.

What drugs or spell are these people under:gaah:....?

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia-cache-ec0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2F16%2F07%2Fca%2F1607cae2185 44a69acff5f900ec1b876.jpg&f=1

[Cidersomerset]

Shooters' family attorney: A lot of things don't add up

B-hFxp23_KA

Published on 4 Dec 2015

In an interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo the San Bernardino shooters'
family attorney has questions about key facts of the investigation.

===================================================

These whitehouse spokespersons are basically robots on all subjects.....


Zk4Wc8o75zU

[moekatz]

I was surprised by the FBI's initial responses to this incident. You would think they were aware of this person by virtue of his travel, his stash of weapons, bombs etc..Does not smell good to me.

[Buck]

Good catch Target- I have not come to any conclusions either, but there are so many anomolies- the narrative is so obviously flawed- we are being told this is a mass murder- now being officially declared an act of terrorism. And yet, somehow we are supposed to not notice that criminal forensic research is not being conducted in the home where the two alleged shooters lived.

And another thought - looking at the images of the black SUV with the windows all shot out. First time I saw the image I thought it was a government vehicle involved in the shootout. Maybe the shooter drove it for work ?

I'm trying to picture the newlyweds- this young government worker and his new bride, this middle eastern couple driving their six month old baby around in this giant black tank- they cost a fortune to fill up every week! Doesn't seem to add up. Maybe it was their car of choice. But after seeing the times article here - makes me wonder is anyone even investigating to confirm if that was indeed their vehicle- basic information- like that


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I didn't have you down as an 'everything's a false flag' type of guy, TargeT... :ohwell:
From what I've seen it's pretty straight forward with the San Bernardino mass murder -
A devoted follower of Islam who probably supports the Islamic State - gets tooled up in preparation for a lone wolf type attack (but on this occasion a lone wolf and wife attack).... get's himself fired up and 'does his bit' (as he sees it) for Islam and the Islamic State - as a foot soldier behind enemy lines - -

Oh I'm definitely not a "false flag behind every bush" type of guy... this one has the markers though... it's just too fishy when you dig into the details of the situation; plus the timing with what ELSE is going on is pretty interesting (I don't believe in coincidence).

And just as the story sort of is slowing down, loosing momentum, THIS crap happens:
http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzEyLzA0LzQ1L1NCaG9tZTExMTEuZWQxMDIuanBnCnAJdGh1bWIJOTUweDUzNCMKZQlqcGc/579f3be8/8fa/SBhome1111.jpg
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/#UPpYBJNmQgqa

That's pretty suspicious right there.... no one is that stupid.. not even journalists.




However, Canada has mostly 'long guns' (rifles and shotguns) and not much in the way of pistols and handguns per capita. Even though handguns can be obtained in Canada. Canadian rifles are more in the hands of people who use them for their intended purpose, and not as a way of embellishing or openly wearing their political stance or emotional stance. The USA probably has 10-40x more handguns per capita than Canada.


well the only thing we do know is this:

more guns = less gun violence.


On December 3, The Washington Post reported that gun crime has been on the decline for about 20 years, except for high-profile shootings in gun-free zones; WaPo claims those shootings are on the increase.

According to WaPo, “In 1993, there were seven homicides by firearm for every 100,000 Americans. … By 2013, that figure had fallen by nearly half, to 3.6 [per 100,000].”

Breitbart News previously pointed to this decline and explained it correlated with a massive increase in privately owned firearms over the same period of time. For example, Congressional Research Service showed that the number of privately owned firearms increased from 192 million in 1994 to 310 million in 2009. And record background checks under Obama make it easy to see how tens of millions more privately owned guns have found their way into Americans’ hands since 2009.

So gun ownership increased for 20 years, but “gun homicides” decreased–except in gun free zones.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/04/washington-post-gun-violence-declining-except-gun-free-zones/

So I disagree with the tone of your post, US citizens don't have guns to "wear their political or emotional states physically". And I bet if we correlate numbers between Canada and the US we'll see some interesting statistics.

[Cidersomerset]

what I think is fishy is the way the Alternative Media seems to twist EVERYTHING that happens like this to be a False Flag...

Then we have the Main Stream Media that seems to twist EVERYTHING to fit in with their propaganda -

We have to keep our wits about us - to make our own judgements about it all - IMO - and not be overly influenced by others who may (or may not) have an agenda -


Oh yes you have to separate the wheat from the chaff , we tend to focus
on these possible 'false flags' that push the agenda forward. There are
shootings virtually every day in the US , most are gang or other incidents.

Paris has definitely pushed the agenda to get the UK on board which is
important for the Anglo/ Saxon alliance , not for the eight tornadoes
based in Cyprus bombing Iraq now Syria. But the Rothchild / Rockafellas
and other elitist cabal. The other reason is ' five eyes ' and the inter grated
intelligence gathering between the US/UK and others set up during the
cold war and updated and expanded as exposed by Snowden. Theres
lots more already mentioned in earlier posts.

But back to 'false flags' all the major incidents and agendas seem to
have been driven by these events. 9/11 , Madrid, 7/7 , Tunisia , Paris
various shooting in the US & more , to raise gun control , and invade
the middle East. These type of attacks have rarely helped the cause of
terrorists, even as publicity stunts or revenge as often touted in the
press and by politicians . All it does is to get their enemies to attack
them harder,which is no military strategy at all . Its a more like the
strategy of the real aggressors , manipulating the terrorists.

Which is what has be happening from the 1970's with the creation of
Al quaeda and most of these freedom fighters and mercenaries , moving
them from one hot spot to another funded by Saudi , the gulf states
CIA and other agencies over the years. To keep the mil ind complex,
Banksters and drug industry going by these endless limited wars and
nudging towards their eventual goal of a NWO. When the criminals run
and control governments, corporations , media and many judges and
bureaucrats thru the ' revolving door' system in the US and the old boys
net work in the UK and lobbying and funding ,blackmail and cover ups
are rife , and is how the public is manipulated .


http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/get-attachment-103.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3345489/Cameron-s-dodgy-dossier-MoD-rubbished-claim-70-000-anti-ISIS-fighters-Syria-PM-used-anyway.html

http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/get-attachment-23.jpg

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/war-propaganda-begins-uk-airstrikes-hit-syrian-oil-field-already-obliterated/

[Buck]

Bumping my own post, from TODAY.

Odd that my post from today posted as if from exactly 24 hours ago- yesterday. Has the effect of "burying" this thread, as my post is backdated 24 hrs, dropping it off the proverbial radar screen for viewers logging on to see what is currently in discussion. I post, it is rendered old news. Now exactly how can the server software- that automatically identifies me by log in and no doubt has embedded time stamp to verify, and log, my activity on the site, how is it possible, that my log in shows "today", and yet my post uploads as "yesterday".

It has been a while since I posted on forum, but this is the kind of "technical glitch" that culminated in discouraging me from participating. I would not describe myself as an IT guy but I understand enough about how websites operate to realize this is potentially indicative of MITM type activity. Which if true, is a very worrisome prospect. I had to resolve to post today, knowing I was possibly exposing myself (again) to being "noticed".

Don't want to derail this most important thread (the entire reason I was compelled to post in the first place is it concerns me that we seem to have members on here that are actively supporting the government narrative of the "scary terrorists gone rogue" that I felt I had to say something)

Fully candid here - I do not post and have not actively posted or even logged on for concerns over my personal safety and security. There. But today I want to let you all know I do not step back in the face of fear. I step back out of jurisprudence.

Some of you are vewry familiar with this issue I am sure, but to in the spirit of helping us all to be more effective and aware- you all need to know that in the last several years, I have experienced an unusal amount of "coincidences" in my personal life and those of people in my circle of friends to suggest that particpating in discussions on forums (such as Avalon) may be a contributing factor/ have consequences that include being targeted for surveillance, harassment, and in some cases, more dire consequences.

A few years ago, somehwere between the Charles incident and Fukushima, the Avalon forum started to feel like it was getting pulled off course. That is when I first began to notice stuff happening in my personal life that I now associate as activity that falls in the category of gang stalking. One of last threads that I noticed a marked increase of activity as a result of was when I posted that we at Avalon were evolving faster than the AI tech could, that yes the PTB was working to take down the net, but we at Avalon "we dont need no stinking internet" :) to communicate- soon they will pull the plug and realize we are all still in communion. We are evolving faster, exponentially faster, than the PTB can comprehend. It's part of the story we are making.
But.
I now realize that saying things like that out loud has consequences. It has consequneces because A) there is a PTB, yes indeed Virginia, and because B) They are dangerously amoral, and will really do ANYTHING they can get away with to continue the party, and last because C) we really are, really, as Carmody, Running Deer, Rocky and Bill and many others have said so many times and in so many ways- we really are immeasurably more amazing, more capable, more interconnected, and ultimately, more responsible for EVERYTHING, than we are currently able to accept.

Peace and Love, Love and LIGHT.
And I mean that in the most loving, most inclusive, non-duality sort of way I can express in this continuim :)

[MacStar]

I see them posted 2 hours apart Today @Buck or am I misunderstanding?

Maybe Bill or Paul can pipe in on this??

[RunningDeer]

Unbelievable: Media Allowed to Ransack Crime Scene
at San Bernardino Shooters' Apartment
UxtXkoepqb4

Published on Dec 4, 2015
Just in case you weren't sure, the dog is definitely being wagged in San Bernardino.

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[ThePythonicCow]

I see them posted 2 hours apart Today @Buck or am I misunderstanding?

Maybe Bill or Paul can pipe in on this??
I am not sure what you're referring to. If it's the two posts of Buck above, then, yes, they are posted two hours apart (which might have been on two different days, depending on the timezone of the viewer.)

[ThePythonicCow]

Jim Stone always strikes me as a dedicated independent journalist and applaud his talents at getting to the bottom of most things evidently.
Jim Stone continues to update his reporting on this false flag. The list of flaws is getting long and in some cases humorous (for example, the women's work ID card misspells her work title as "REVEUNE SUPPORT CLERK" instead of "REVENUE SUPPORT CLERK").

This is a total false flag, intended to motivate more US government violence in the Middle East I presume (where the Russians are in full battle gear now, and where the US Carrier Group Harry Truman will be soon).

[ThePythonicCow]

Memory Hole Blog also rips a large, gaping hole in this so-called terrorist event: San Bernardino Media Hoax: CNN, Media, ‘Victims Families’ All Ransack Suspects Family Home, Faux FBI Crime Scene (http://memoryholeblog.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-media-hoax-cnn-media-victims-families-all-ransack-suspects-family-home-faux-fbi-crime-scene/#more-21883). The suspects home was left unsecured, and many reporters and others took a tour of it, unsupervised.

[jaybee]

Don't want to derail this most important thread (the entire reason I was compelled to post in the first place is it concerns me that we seem to have members on here that are actively supporting the government narrative of the "scary terrorists gone rogue" that I felt I had to say something)




I thought the Government seemed quite reluctant to admit it was a terrorist incident.

And if they could have got away with it, I think they would have probably put it in the - '''aggrieved nutter(s) gone stir crazy''' category -

???


.

[jaybee]

what I think is fishy is the way the Alternative Media seems to twist EVERYTHING that happens like this to be a False Flag...

Then we have the Main Stream Media that seems to twist EVERYTHING to fit in with their propaganda -

We have to keep our wits about us - to make our own judgements about it all - IMO - and not be overly influenced by others who may (or may not) have an agenda -




Oh yes you have to separate the wheat from the chaff , we tend to focus
on these possible 'false flags' that push the agenda forward. There are
shootings virtually every day in the US , most are gang or other incidents.

We do indeed have to try and separate the wheat from the chaff - on that we can agree - but of course what is wheat (or chaff) for one person might not be the same for another -

I think there are a whole lot of different agendas being pushed here there and everywhere - there's not just one -

If we're not careful we could drown in Other People's Agendas - and Other Peoples Truth being touted as The Truth - be that coming from Alternative sources or Government sources..

That's why I said about not being overly influenced by others...

Just want to make a comment about the term 'False Flag' ---I think it has been so over used (and misused) that it has been rendered more or less meaningless now and has lost all it's power to shock -

There may have been a deliberate PSYOP to do this or it could have just happened naturally from the multitude of agendas banging away 24/7 on the internet ---

or be a mixture of both of the above..?

:thumb:

.

[Akasha]

Rock band, Eagles of Death Metal, who were performing at the Bataclan, Paris on the evening of Friday 13th of November just so happened to write a song about San Bernadino back in 2004 (http://www.discogs.com/Eagles-Of-Death-Metal-Peace-Love-Death-Metal/master/70595).

Eagles of Death Metal - San Berdoo Sunburn

Tapping time with one good finger
I got this girlfriend and she's a swinger
We make plans and then we head out to
San Bernardino
We get gas at the local P & M
Buy a coke in a can made of tin
We drink fast because
We're headed out west to San Bernardino
And we shall miss Carolina
And the east coast as opposed to the west
We won't shed any tears though
Nor even be sad because we know
The western desert is the best!
I filled a bag with cigarettes and apple wine
We'll hit the road again at 10 mintues to 9
Me and this girl, I think she's pregnant
And we're headed to San Bernardino
And then when we hit Texas
We'll stop in Amarillo for a bite to eat
We'll stop on over in Dallas
And visit my friend but we can't stay
For more than a week
I've got the south in my veins
But California in my mouth
And that's the simple reason
Why i'm leaving the south
Me and this girl and she's so foxy
And we're heading to San Bernardino
Whoo
That was close we crossed the Tennesse state border
They would've locked us up by the sheriffs order
Yes we're freaks
But they can't touch us out west
In San Bernardino

_B6lOPAvx1I

Just a(nother) coincidence. Nothing to worry about.

[MacStar]

Unbelievable: Media Allowed to Ransack Crime Scene
at San Bernardino Shooters' Apartment
UxtXkoepqb4

Published on Dec 4, 2015
Just in case you weren't sure, the dog is definitely being wagged in San Bernardino.

Truthstream Can Be Found Here:
Website: http://TruthstreamMedia.com
FB: http://Facebook.com/TruthstreamMedia
Twitter: @TruthstreamNews
Newsletter: http://eepurl.com/bbxcWX

Thanks RunningDeer,I saw this too and was like WTF? It's totally a mock up and most certainly
I know that Mark Dice's stuff "maybe" scripted...maybe who knows? I'd like to think it's not...then again if it's not, then man oh man the masses are blinder than bats!
Also thanks very much for the links.

Kudos for your critical thinking and research.




I see them posted 2 hours apart Today @Buck or am I misunderstanding?

Maybe Bill or Paul can pipe in on this??
I am not sure what you're referring to. If it's the two posts of Buck above, then, yes, they are posted two hours apart (which might have been on two different days, depending on the timezone of the viewer.)

Thanks Paul,I was a bit confused by Buck's latest post. I was assuming that this Forum might be compromised by a MITM attack. I take it now that Buck's connection may be??
Also,time stamps and timezone's can be different under...well privacy software that may not be the place one actually is when accessing Forums.



Jim Stone always strikes me as a dedicated independent journalist and applaud his talents at getting to the bottom of most things evidently.
Jim Stone continues to update his reporting on this false flag. The list of flaws is getting long and in some cases humorous (for example, the women's work ID card misspells her work title as "REVEUNE SUPPORT CLERK" instead of "REVENUE SUPPORT CLERK").

This is a total false flag, intended to motivate more US government violence in the Middle East I presume (where the Russians are in full battle gear now, and where the US Carrier Group Harry Truman will be soon).

Same page mate especially right from the start of this particular "episode" (after all the pre-cursors that date way back!) to breed fear and hatred towards the Middle East for the masses. Before that it was another Country and Agenda. Many are so conditoned by money,distractions and toys they need not,but they work their buts off to supply this poison to their kids(who are speeding off their heads on Pharma crap). They haven't grown and are still stuck on some form of dummy sucking. There is one thing right now that is obvious to the observant critical thinker since nine eleven. Create hatred from fabricated fear via BS MSM to get the masses on side. The so-called "enemy" of the World is apparently killing everyone, so go get them! I'm astounded they can't see further than a digital screen but then again,kids are developing smartphone neck problems and can't tell reality from violent games. Hell,Call of Duty is a training and de-sensitizing program. They are missing what we are...compassion,empathy and awareness because they have more of a connection to "de-vices" and the MSM than connection with real people...it's Social Engineering and it's very sad to watch.
Back to the "enemy",well they are blocking Oil/Gas supply and the 5 eyes are pissed that they are missing out(let alone the rest). Unblock that and the one pipe gets connected to the one's with the fiat money and secret agreements. Me no stupido but man but in this digital age, the "News","Reality" shows,console game crap,smartphones/tablets and all that garbage creates mindless addicts that lap it up like it's truth because they are not really with us anymore. They are medicated in so many ways it makes me sick to the core of my being. We also all here know someone close we love that argues with us on these issues. When you can't get them to see...you know they are "Spellbound" and stagnant.
My Dad,who is now departed worked in the Gov't sponsered reporting industry here as a sound recordist/engineer at it's very conception amongst many other hot-spots including Vietnam. He told me a lot about what really went on there and how much money was thrown at them to spend on booze.They called,said we are out of dosh and the money was wired. He was taken prisoner by the Vietcong,almost shot for holding a boom mic because the Vietcong thought it was a rocket launcher!
The main thing he told me was that what went to air was not what he and his crew saw. He was also very much into film. He was the youngest Cinematographer in Tassie in his youth and took great interest in the editing suite. He spent a lot of time in there learing more about editing. His last words after nine eleven was..and I quote " So much film from Vietnam ended up on the cutting room floor that showed what really happened that the public needed to see that I wish I had had the mind to have swept it up and kept it".
True story and it seems not much has changed since...it's why he left.



[QUOTE=Cidersomerset;1026330][QUOTE]what I think is fishy is the way the Alternative Media seems to twist EVERYTHING that happens like this to be a False Flag...

Then we have the Main Stream Media that seems to twist EVERYTHING to fit in with their propaganda -

We have to keep our wits about us - to make our own judgements about it all - IMO - and not be overly influenced by others who may (or may not) have an agenda -


I agree to an extent but we also need to listen to our second brain....the Gut.
Everybody has an "Agenda"...that doesn't mean the Agenda is harmfull.
We live in a fast paced World and our "Brain" can only process so much(especially now), and I belive it's by design that we trust our eyes and our ears because we have been trained to do so. If it doesn't feel right,then odds are IMHO,it isn't. Like Jun Fan Lee said, "Be Like water my Friend"

Oh yeah,you all know that "Sovereign Citizens" are now as big a threat as "Terrorists"?
Thing is,you can't be both...they nullify each other.

Check this:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-30/australias-sovereign-citizen-terrorism-threat/6981114

The fence is closing in and IMHO,now is the time to speak out loud without fear.

What's the point in them having a Fishtank with no Fish?

[Rocky_Shorz]

One angle we haven't spoke of, gun control aside is the half million refugees being resettled from Turkey...

With an attack like this, do you think Republican Congress have the artillary to slam the door shut to immigration?

[MacStar]

Rock band, Eagles of Death Metal, who were performing at the Bataclan, Paris on the evening of Friday 13th of November just so happened to write a song about San Bernadino back in 2004 (http://www.discogs.com/Eagles-Of-Death-Metal-Peace-Love-Death-Metal/master/70595).

Eagles of Death Metal - San Berdoo Sunburn

Tapping time with one good finger
I got this girlfriend and she's a swinger
We make plans and then we head out to
San Bernardino
We get gas at the local P & M
Buy a coke in a can made of tin
We drink fast because
We're headed out west to San Bernardino
And we shall miss Carolina
And the east coast as opposed to the west
We won't shed any tears though
Nor even be sad because we know
The western desert is the best!
I filled a bag with cigarettes and apple wine
We'll hit the road again at 10 mintues to 9
Me and this girl, I think she's pregnant
And we're headed to San Bernardino
And then when we hit Texas
We'll stop in Amarillo for a bite to eat
We'll stop on over in Dallas
And visit my friend but we can't stay
For more than a week
I've got the south in my veins
But California in my mouth
And that's the simple reason
Why i'm leaving the south
Me and this girl and she's so foxy
And we're heading to San Bernardino
Whoo
That was close we crossed the Tennesse state border
They would've locked us up by the sheriffs order
Yes we're freaks
But they can't touch us out west
In San Bernardino

_B6lOPAvx1I

Just a(nother) coincidence. Nothing to worry about.

Interesting Akasha.
I don't believe in coincedence but this is strange.Of course noticing the hand signals we know.

This song was released in 2004.
Not sure if they have a connection band-wise or other to the area or have played there before.
Here's a link of past Tours I haven't looked through yet:
http://www.bandsintown.com/EaglesOfDeathMetal/past_events

Going back to the Album itself,the songlist almost reads like a poem/incantation/statement.

I Only Want You
Speaking In Tongues.
So Easy,
Flames Go Higher
Bad Dream Mama.
English Girl
Stacks O' Money.
Midnight Creeper
Stuck In The Metal
Already Died.
Who'll Kiss The Devil
Whorehoppin'
San Berdoo Sunburn?
Wastin' My Time
Miss Alissa.

Punctuation by me and kinda creepy!

[MacStar]

One angle we haven't spoke of, gun control aside is the half million refugees being resettled from Turkey...

With an attack like this, do you think Republican Congress have the artillary to slam the door shut to immigration?

Good question!...maybe that's exactly where they want them.

[TargeT]

Re what else is going on --- well the Islamic State and affiliated groups are getting a pounding and it's supporters aren't going to be very happy with that - it was all going so well till Russia stepped in and spoiled the party -

but you are entitled to your opinion if you think it's ''fishy''

And Iraq military officers are making statements like " I wish we could trade america for russia, americans haven't done anything to stop ISIL"

if you would have watched the video you would see what ISNT being reported vs what IS being reported... this is all I am interested in, perhaps San Bernardino was a false flag, perhaps not... but it's being used to distract from the news that the US is starting to look like an ISIS/ISIL supporter to just about everyone out there...



what I think is fishy is the way the Alternative Media seems to twist EVERYTHING that happens like this to be a False Flag...
yes, it can get a bit ridiculous, but on the same hand...

lets do a quick history review:

9/11: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

The Madrid bombings: Terrorist drill happened the same day of the event

7/7 bombings: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Sandy Hook Elementary: terror drill (called "active shooter" ) for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Boston Bombings: terror drill for the exact same scenario that happened was going on

Paris attacks: Terrorist drill happening same day as the event

San Bernardino: Terror drill happened days before (possibly was the same day as the event also... still too new)

Sure seems like scrutinizing it is a good idea, at the minimum... the precedent is set.




Just want to make a comment about the term 'False Flag' ---I think it has been so over used (and misused) that it has been rendered more or less meaningless now and has lost all it's power to shock -
.

Lets see False Flag:

False Flag: The contemporary term False flag describes covert operations that are designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them

Nope, looks like we are absolutely using the correct term... you may think the "term" being used is the issue.

It's not.

The ACT being used over and over is the issue... we are being inundated with these deceptions lately...


One angle we haven't spoke of, gun control aside is the half million refugees being resettled from Turkey...

With an attack like this, do you think Republican Congress have the artillary to slam the door shut to immigration?

Texas is already trying to stop Syrian refugees.


Gov. Greg Abbott says Texas will not accept any Syrian refugees
http://abc13.com/news/texas-governor-says-state-will-not-accept-syrian-refugees/1086456/

that could be one of the thrusts of this, though I doubt it... any refugee or immigrant is DESIRED because they are mostly coming in and getting hooked on social programs right away (which makes them a guaranteed government supporter)

[MacStar]

What TargeT said!

[ThePythonicCow]

One angle we haven't spoke of, gun control aside is the half million refugees being resettled from Turkey...

With an attack like this, do you think Republican Congress have the artillary to slam the door shut to immigration?

Texas is already trying to stop Syrian refugees.
That didn't last long. Eleven hours ago, from the Associated Press, on Fox News: Texas backs down from effort to block Syrian refugees (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/05/texas-backs-down-from-effort-to-block-syrian-refugees.html).

[TargeT]

One angle we haven't spoke of, gun control aside is the half million refugees being resettled from Turkey...

With an attack like this, do you think Republican Congress have the artillary to slam the door shut to immigration?

Texas is already trying to stop Syrian refugees.
That didn't last long. Eleven hours ago, from the Associated Press, on Fox News: Texas backs down from effort to block Syrian refugees (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/05/texas-backs-down-from-effort-to-block-syrian-refugees.html).

Yeah, I"m really seeing that more as a divisive move than any actual attempt to stop immigrants. A way to try and foster "brown people hatred" & keep everyone distracted with pettiness.

I keep feeling like I've said this before, but:

This is the sloppiest operation I've seen in quite some time.

[MacStar]

One angle we haven't spoke of, gun control aside is the half million refugees being resettled from Turkey...

With an attack like this, do you think Republican Congress have the artillary to slam the door shut to immigration?

Texas is already trying to stop Syrian refugees.
That didn't last long. Eleven hours ago, from the Associated Press, on Fox News: Texas backs down from effort to block Syrian refugees (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/05/texas-backs-down-from-effort-to-block-syrian-refugees.html).

Yep,because Obama is ordering that all states must accept refugees.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Serves Texas right to have created the Islamic radicalization schools in Pakistan, so have a rich Muslim appear and open 15 radicalization centers just in Texas..

Home grown terrorist in the heart of Redneck Racism, great combo

[jaybee]

Lets see False Flag:

False Flag: The contemporary term False flag describes covert operations that are designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them

Nope, looks like we are absolutely using the correct term... you may think the "term" being used is the issue.

It's not.

The ACT being used over and over is the issue... we are being inundated with these deceptions lately...




So you ARE an 'everythings a false flag' kind of guy after all.... :P


I really do not want to waste too much of my time over all this as I know what I think about the San Bernardino murders - - - -

religious, radicalized, Islamic State supporters doing their thing for Islam and Allah.


If you want to believe the 'drills' thing is some kind of proof that the accused Militant Jihadists are all poor innocent victims of an evil plot...well carry on -
(re what you said in your post 100)

But I would make three points about that as possibilities to consider -


one - perhaps those dates were chosen by the Islamic Jihadists because of the drills - why? - because the army etc would be busy doing other things and the confusion of the drills coinciding with the attacks could be helpful to the attackers in some way?

and, two, it also helps to foster the '''False Flag''' thingy which confuses the 'enemy' (ie..us) as people get confused as to who to trust and if they mistrust their own government and think their own government would happily kill hundreds (or in the case of 9/11, thousands) of their own people on a regular basis....I would say this is pretty good psychological warfare.....

and three... if the govt. were sussed picking a drill day back in 2001 - why would they continue to do so when they.ve been sussed..?


aaaanyway - I am perfectly aware that I am in a very small minority here with what I think about all this kind of stuff - but I presume it's ok to hold different opinions to the majority - we are all individuals at the end of the day - and who knows..I could be right.... :wink:


.

[TargeT]

I really do not want to waste too much of my time over all this as I know what I think about the San Bernardino murders - - - -

religious, radicalized, Islamic State supporters doing their thing for Islam and Allah.



So TV got it right for once? that's possible, but in this case not very probable.

Just remember, a full cup cannot accept anymore liquid.




aaaanyway - I am perfectly aware that I am in a very small minority here with what I think about all this kind of stuff - but I presume it's ok to hold different opinions to the majority - we are all individuals at the end of the day - and who knows..I could be right.... :wink:


.

You know, I may be a "false flag everywhere" type of guy.. But I wouldn't phrase it in that dismissive of a way. The way you say it sure seems like it discounts the hours of research, my anti-terrorism training (hundreds of hours there) and logic.

It's ok to hold an opinion, but when offering them in discussions it's usually (at least) polite to offer why you hold the opinion; or maybe some facts and data that caused you to form that opinion so the discussion can continue.

Derailing comments and dismissive labeling of discussion participants are generally also avoided.



accused Militant Jihadists

I've been accused of being a baby killer (wore my uniform in the wrong place apparently...)... doesn't mean it was even REMOTELY true.

[jaybee]

I really do not want to waste too much of my time over all this as I know what I think about the San Bernardino murders - - - -

religious, radicalized, Islamic State supporters doing their thing for Islam and Allah.



So TV got it right for once? that's possible, but in this case not very probable.

Just remember, a full cup cannot accept anymore liquid.




aaaanyway - I am perfectly aware that I am in a very small minority here with what I think about all this kind of stuff - but I presume it's ok to hold different opinions to the majority - we are all individuals at the end of the day - and who knows..I could be right.... :wink:


.

You know, I may be a "false flag everywhere" type of guy.. But I wouldn't phrase it in that dismissive of a way. The way you say it sure seems like it discounts the hours of research, my anti-terrorism training (hundreds of hours there) and logic.

It's ok to hold an opinion, but when offering them in discussions it's usually (at least) polite to offer why you hold the opinion; or maybe some facts and data that caused you to form that opinion so the discussion can continue.

Derailing comments and dismissive labeling of discussion participants are generally also avoided.



accused Militant Jihadists

I've been accused of being a baby killer (wore my uniform in the wrong place apparently...)... doesn't mean it was even REMOTELY true.


I'm sorry if you think I have been dismissive of your research and opinion - I was being a bit flippant, I suppose and teasing you - I see now you are obviously very serious about all this - so apologies :)

I think I've been polite with what I've said and my intention wasn't to derail - but just to offer a different view on the situation -

I think it's ok to make a few comments without having to spend hours of explaining and writing..?.... the views I hold are from my own research and ongoing observation of all the different angles to what's going on in World Politics today - which includes what goes on, on forums....as I think the internet is the front line of the information war - sometimes I can be sat at home having a conversation with my friend who comes to visit nearly every evening ---talking about the latest developments and news items - at the same time having the MSM news on the telly (Sky usually)...at the same time having RT news on the computer and also keeping an eye on the two forums I'm a member of (this being one of them, of course)... me and my friend analyse the news and sometimes I have to have a rant at Sky News - calling various politicians bare faced liars... :-D


But anyway --- like I said --- I know what conclusions I have come to regarding San Bernardino - and I really don't need to make umpteen posts about it right now -

but cheers for the (shortish) exchange.... :thumb:


.

[Bob]

I do not understand this photo.


http://chanlo.com/images/farook-1.jpg

If the persons were dead inside of the SUV, why is this pix depicting a person on the ground, allegedly the husband, face down in a pool of blood with his hands cuffed?

I didn't know it was SOP to handcuff dead people - what am I missing? If that is a crime scene photo, where is the weapon?

[M-Albion-3D]

Reading the above from jaybee, I can appreciate her hesitancy to assess this event as a false flag and sense this to be the result of possible cognitive dissonance, no doubt, a troubling barrier for anyone to overcome, however....


Let me say this. If one really takes the time and I mean..."take the time" to research the now. massive accumulated evidence of raw "science" involved in the World Trade Center building 7 collapse and the unequivocal conclusion is that of a false flag event, on an unprecedented scale, by people capable of removing every ounce of morality in their souls (if they had them there in the first place).......the subsequent events in London, Paris, Boston etc, etc are mere child's play.


It is therefore imperative IMHO that every single event "of this nature" be pronounced as a False Flag Event UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE and that further, "we the people" must promote this "guilty till proven innocent" approach until such time as the perpetrators of 9-11 are brought to justice and locked away behind bars for the rest of their wretched lives.


Further updates from Jim Stone: http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethise8.html


http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/windowbreak_zpsgvizae0r.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/windowbreak_zpsgvizae0r.jpg.html)


http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/fakeid_zpsjbdlcgm1.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/fakeid_zpsjbdlcgm1.jpg.html)

[Tangri]

It is, what it is.

But he is not connected with the police force.

[Akasha]

It is, what it is.

But he is not connected with the police force.

Given the incestuous relationship between freemasonry and the various police forces of the world, I'd suggest he's more likely to be connected than not.

[Akasha]

I've just watched the following short video entitled ‪Why Did They Pass a Law That Makes Staged Hoaxes and Crisis-Acted Movies Legal?‬ From what I can gather amendments have recently been made to certain anti-propaganda laws in the USA which allow for crisis actor-type scenarios to be reported as real events in certain situations, but check it out for yourselves (I'd recommend the video creator's channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTYu3LHeW4GliTc5iBAkX-w) too) :

xS-ktfaxPb0


For anyone still in any doubt about the reality of crisis actor-type organizations, click the following link (and the 'read more' button - the video of the woman with the 'bloodied' nose is particularly enlightening, so I've added it below too) :

http://www.crisiscast.com/

pJiUGukxZLQ

[jaybee]

Reading the above from jaybee, I can appreciate his hesitancy to assess this event as a false flag and sense this to be the result of possible cognitive dissonance, no doubt, a troubling barrier for anyone to overcome, however....

FYI - I'm not experiencing any 'troubling barriers'- I just realize that it's not just the government(s) that screw with our heads and have agendas - for example on the internet - there must be gawd knows how many Armchair Jihadists - who are doing their bit for their cause by presenting themselves as Westerners - but really they are screwing with our heads for purposes of psychological warfare - then there are the intelligence agencies that I think could be involved in PSYOPS to take conspiracies to a ridiculous level to.........screw with our heads.....and muddy the waters about what might be the real conspiracies....:wacko2:

I could go on - but you get the picture, I'm sure - that's just a couple of examples of what to be aware of -



Let me say this. If one really takes the time and I mean..."take the time" to research the now. massive accumulated evidence of raw "science" involved in the World Trade Center building 7 collapse and the unequivocal conclusion is that of a false flag event, on an unprecedented scale, by people capable of removing every ounce of morality in their souls (if they had them there in the first place).......the subsequent events in London, Paris, Boston etc, etc are mere child's play.


I have looked at the Building 7 business and made a couple of posts about it over in the 9/11 forum if you want to take a look sometime - the n.i.s.t. f.r.a.u.d one :)


And by the way - I'm a woman - (you said '''his''' in your post referring to me)



.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Secretive “Khawlah Division” Warned Behind San Bernardino Massacre; More Attacks Warned To Follow

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

A very concerning Federal Security Services (FSB) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the 2 December San Bernardino massacre that killed 14 innocent people was carried out by a secretive Islamic “woman only” combat organization known as the “Khawlah Division” having roots in Pakistan, and funded by Saudi Arabia, which Federation intelligence analysts had sent a “SECRET/URGENT” warning about on 27 November to both the United States and Thailand—and which the warning to Thailand was, briefly, made public.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/sbs1.jpg
Khawlah Division terrorist member Tashfeen Malik, center



According to this report, FSB intelligence analysts, on 25 November, intercepted an Islamic State (ISIL/ISIS/Daesh) communication originating in Pakistan activating the “Khawlah Division” and warned Thailand that at least 10 of these Islamic woman fighters had entered their country to carry out attacks against Russian interests, and further warned the United States that they had been infiltrated by these terrorists too.

Spurring the warning by the FSB to the United States, this report continues, was that this intercepted Islamic State communication activating the “Khawlah Division” had also been sent to the radical Islamic Circle of North America Sisters' Wing (ICNA) organization based in New York City—and whose link to San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik was established by her having numerous ICNA items in her home, including a sticker on her refrigerator.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/sbs4.jpg

The female terrorist members of the “Khawlah Division”, this report explains, derive their name from the 7th century Muslim Arab woman-warrior Khawlah bint al-Azwar whose battlefield exploits on behalf of Islam are still revered, and whose modern day “activation” was accomplished at Pakistan’s Lal Masjid Mosque (Red Mosque) where on 29 November 2014 their extremist all girls seminary made and circulated a video in support of the Islamic State and its leader Baghdadi and asked Pakistani militants to join hands with ISIS fighters.

With US intelligence officials having now provided information to Pakistani authorities their information linking Tashfeen Malik to the notorious Red Mosque, this report warns, a greater concern, at least to American officials, lies in who besides Tashfeen Malik the terrorist INCA “sisters wing” in New York City has been communicating with.

Making this concern valid, this report notes, is the INCA having too many terrorists links to count—including their former leader, Ashrafuz Zaman Khan being one of the convicted masterminds of 1971 killing of Bengali intellectuals and their training guides that advocate waging jihad to establish Sharia in the West.

Also to be noted, this report further warns, with the Islamic State already admitting that “Khawlah Division” member Tashfeen Malik and her husband, Syed Farook, were their devoted followers, US intelligence officials have further uncovered these two terrorists association with a Syrian al Qaeda-affiliated group and al Shabaab in Somalia too—but whom are unable to be further questioned after their being shot to death by American police forces.

Pictures of Handcuffed attackers laying in blood stains, go to link I am not posting it here
With Muslims in the United States and around the world continuing to celebrate terror events like the San Bernardino massacre, this report concludes, the actions by the Obama regime in response to this horrific attack by the now activated “Khawlah Division” have been “beyond stupefying” as President Obama’s top law enforcement officer, US Attorney General Loretta Lynch, instead of showing sympathy for 14 murdered Americans, instead stated:

“The Muslim American community is expanding, which is beautiful, and my message to the Muslim community is that we stand with you in these times.”

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/sbs5.jpg

I read some important truths in this report but have flags popping up all over on the spin pointing away from the CIA and pentagon warmongers towards the white house instead...

[M-Albion-3D]

Reading the above from jaybee, I can appreciate his hesitancy to assess this event as a false flag and sense this to be the result of possible cognitive dissonance, no doubt, a troubling barrier for anyone to overcome, however....

FYI - I'm not experiencing any 'troubling barriers'- I just realize that it's not just the government(s) that screw with our heads and have agendas - for example on the internet - there must be gawd knows how many Armchair Jihadists - who are doing their bit for their cause by presenting themselves as Westerners - but really they are screwing with our heads for purposes of psychological warfare - then there are the intelligence agencies that I think could be involved in PSYOPS to take conspiracies to a ridiculous level to.........screw with our heads.....and muddy the waters about what might be the real conspiracies....:wacko2:

I could go on - but you get the picture, I'm sure - that's just a couple of examples of what to be aware of -



Let me say this. If one really takes the time and I mean..."take the time" to research the now. massive accumulated evidence of raw "science" involved in the World Trade Center building 7 collapse and the unequivocal conclusion is that of a false flag event, on an unprecedented scale, by people capable of removing every ounce of morality in their souls (if they had them there in the first place).......the subsequent events in London, Paris, Boston etc, etc are mere child's play.I have looked at the Building 7 business and made a couple of posts about it over in the 9/11 forum if you want to take a look sometime - the n.i.s.t. f.r.a.u.d one :)


And by the way - I'm a woman - (you said '''his''' in your post referring to me)

.


Hi jaybee, sorry to sound as though I was targeting you directly, was not my aim.


Ok, I did read your posts in the 9-11 thread and got a sense that you are somewhat in two minds as to what happened. I also get the impression that you may not be quite up to speed on the science which, btw is quite common and was surprised to see very little of this aspect discussed in the thread.


So, if I may suggest, please follow the link here and for a small fee (less than 2 quid) you can download an "e version" of the conclusive research performed by over 2,000 specialists who address in great depth an analysis of WTC7. This should clarify many of your concerns.


https://salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/50694/donate_page/beyond-misinformation?killorg=True&loggedOut=True


Also, my apologies on your name and acknowledge your gender, pardon me.http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0404%20My%20lips%20are%20sealed.gif
Regards,
MAL

[Tangri]

It is, what it is.

But he is not connected with the police force.

Given the incestuous relationship between freemasonry and the various police forces of the world, I'd suggest he's more likely to be connected than not.

Freemasonry includes many of governmental officer member who expect extra promotion on their duty without professional effort. (not only police forces but also fire department, health aid-support workers.) In that picture person, with masonry symbol on his hat, is a supposedly witness's father at the video.

[ThePythonicCow]

.
More holes blown wide open in the official story, from Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-06/san-bernardino-attack-eye-witness-three-tall-white-men-did-it):

=========


San Bernardino Attack Eye-Witness: "Three Tall White Men Did It"

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/06/2015 21:35 -0500

Submitted by Shepard Ambellas via Intellihub.com (https://www.intellihub.com/eyewitness-terror-attack-three-tall-white-men/)

A few interesting details have surfaced regarding Wednesday’s mass shooting dubbed ‘terror attack’ which killed 14 and injured 17 others. One of the most interesting comes from an eyewitness.

We now know that ATF investigators recovered [;url=http://www.infowars.com/fiorina-san-bernardino-shooters-gun-bought-for-police/]police issued[/url] firearms from the alleged shooters. This key detail was leaked by 2016 GOP Presidential Candidate Carly Fiorina during a press interview after she had overheard a newsroom report that doesn’t fit the official narrative.

We also know that active shooter drills (https://www.intellihub.com/shock-report-police-engaged-active-shooter-drill-just-san-bernardino-massacre/) actually took place near the crime scene just days before and possibly even on the same day of the mass shooting as reported by Mac Slavo.

Additionally details from an eyewitness, who came forth on the day of the shooting, may have been overlooked by investigators and suggest that there were actually ‘three white shooters’ instead of the radicalized husband and wife natural-born killer team portrayed in some mainline reports.

The witness, Sally Abdelmageed, worked at Inland Medical Center where the attack took place and saw it all unfold firsthand. It’s also important to note that Abdelmageed is likely not lying and that this quite possibly might be the most accurate eyewitness account publicized to date. After all how can two shooters, a man and a petite woman, be mistaken for three white military men with athletic builds?

In a phone interview with CBS Abdelmageed explained:



"I heard shots fired and it was from you know an automatic weapon. [...] very unusual. Why would we hear shots? As we looked out the window a second set of shots goes off [...] and we saw a man fall to the floor. Then we just looked and we saw three men dressed in all black, military attire, with vests on they were holding assault rifles. As soon as they opened up the doors to building three [...] one of them [...] started to shoot into the room."

When asked what the gunman that shot into the room looked like the eyewitness replied:



"I couldn’t see a face, he had a black hat on […] black cargo pants, the kind with the big puffy pockets on the side [...] long sleeve shirt [...] gloves [...] huge assault rifle [...] six magazines […] I just saw three dressed exactly the same”.

“You are certain you saw three men,” the newscaster asked Abdelmageed.

“Yes,” said Abdelmageed.


“It looked like their skin color was white. They look like they were athletic build and they appeared to be tall.”

=========

There's more at the above Zerohedge link.

Once again, of this and other such, this stinks to high heaven.

Those with such abilities might send Sally Abdelmageed some protection.

[jaybee]

.


re the Sally Abdelmageed witness material -

I suppose the obvious question is...how could she see they were white if she couldn't see a face and they were dressed head to toe in combat gear?

Other questions might be - how reliable is the witness - what exactly was her view of the scene - from above? - how far away? - was she in shock when she spoke about it ?

Did all the initial reports of there being three shooters come from Sally? Is it possible in the heat and shock of the moment she was wrong about there being three? (ie was another person, not a shooter near by and dressed in black clothes?)....or did she get her timing wrong and the three she saw were armed security coming to the scene to tackle the shooters -?

These are the kind of questions that might be asked in a court of law...

Here's a vid of her speaking -


TwTYja7GXcY

[jaybee]

Hi jaybee, sorry to sound as though I was targeting you directly, was not my aim.


Ok, I did read your posts in the 9-11 thread and got a sense that you are somewhat in two minds as to what happened. I also get the impression that you may not be quite up to speed on the science which, btw is quite common and was surprised to see very little of this aspect discussed in the thread.


So, if I may suggest, please follow the link here and for a small fee (less than 2 quid) you can download an "e version" of the conclusive research performed by over 2,000 specialists who address in great depth an analysis of WTC7. This should clarify many of your concerns.


https://salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/50694/donate_page/beyond-misinformation?killorg=True&loggedOut=True


The only thing I'm in two minds about is the exact method used for the controlled demolition - thanks for the link but to be honest I won't be spending time on it at the moment - maybe one day but not now -

anyway - we don't want to go off topic too much - soooo many 'conspiracies' and only so many hours in a day.... :)......



Also, my apologies on your name and acknowledge your gender, pardon me.http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/smilies/0404%20My%20lips%20are%20sealed.gif
Regards,
MAL


No problem - - - :thumb:


.

[Cidersomerset]

San Bernardino Killings Unleash Wave of Right-Wing Fear-Mongering, Islamophobia and War Fever

By David Icke on 7th December 2015

http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/get-attachment-5.jpg

‘This weekend, America’s right wing, from the 2016 GOP candidates to its media echo
chambers on cable TV, online and talk radio, have unleashed what may be their most
hate-filled, fear-based, war-mongering fusillade since 9/11.

A former GOP congressman taunted U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch to arrest him
after threatening American Muslims on air; RedState.com is encouraging people to shoot
the Saturday edition of the New York Times for its editorial calling for a ban on all
militarized weapons and then post the image online. Such attacks are just the tip of this
latest rage-filled response. Ex-New York Gov. George Pataki, a going-nowhere GOP 2016
candidate, also called for “war on radical Islam” and taunted Lynch. Fox News is berating

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/san-bernardino-killings-unleash-wave-right-wing-fear-mongering-islamophobia-and-war

====================================================
====================================================


Eyewitness to terror attack: ‘Three tall white men did it’

http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Untitled-247.jpg

‘A few interesting details have surfaced regarding Wednesday’s mass shooting dubbed
‘terror attack’ which killed 14 and injured 17 others. One of the most interesting comes
from an eyewitness.

We now know that ATF investigators recovered police issued firearms from the alleged
shooters. This key detail was leaked by 2016 GOP Presidential Candidate Carly Fiorina
during a press interview after she had overheard a newsroom report that doesn’t fit the
official narrative.

We also know that active shooter drills actually took place near the crime scene just days
before and possibly even on the same day of the mass shooting as reported by Mac Slavo.

Additionally details from an eyewitness, who came forth on the day of the shooting, may
have been overlooked by investigators and suggest that there were actually ‘three white
shooters’ instead of the radicalized husband and wife natural-born killer team portrayed
in some mainline reports.’

Read more: Eyewitness to terror attack: ‘Three tall white men did it’

https://www.intellihub.com/eyewitness-terror-attack-three-tall-white-men/

[M-Albion-3D]

Quote:
re the Sally Abdelmageed witness material -

"I suppose the obvious question is...how could she see they were white if she couldn't see a face and they were dressed head to toe in combat gear"?



My guess is that Sally Abdelmageed saw clearly "white" skin flashing through, around the neck and wrists. This would show up quite clearly on a background of black outfits.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's an update comment from Jim Stone on the supposed shooter "Farook(q)"
http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethise9.html

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/newguy_zpsrecycaw5.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/newguy_zpsrecycaw5.jpg.html)

[M-Albion-3D]

Although not directly connected to San Bernardino, the "FF Event" in Paris has a parallel discussion point and is relative IMO. Here, Joel Skousen discusses with George Noory the implications on a world wide scale - CHILLING!


AUDIO 1 - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiZ1JjdXdHVzVBeTQ/view?usp=sharing


AUDIO 2 - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiY1ljR05pRUJNTlU/view?usp=sharing


http://www.joelskousen.com/

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/Joel%20Skousen_zpsgzpk8ywn.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/Joel%20Skousen_zpsgzpk8ywn.jpg.html)

[TargeT]

Interesting, but maybe nothing:
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and this is a bit longer of the defense layer:

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Full press conference:
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Earliest video of "victims" looks really fake:
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[M-Albion-3D]

Update from Jim Stone:
http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethise9.html

UPDATE: BLOCKBUSTER: TERRORISTS DROVE SUV SO NEW IT WON'T BE RELEASED UNTIL QUARTER 1 2016!!!

I received a message saying that the SUV used in the shoot out was in the prototyping stage and does not exist. As it turns out, it looks like it does not exist. There is a pickup truck to SUV conversion called the Ford Raptor that looks similar, and if you look up 2015 or 2016 Ford Raptor conversions, they look very much like the shootout SUV except for the grill. After combing through Google images of what will be released this SUV used in the shooting is the latest from Ford that has not been released yet simply because the grill is different from the other raptors (it is a Ford Excursion that is definitely based a raptor) and looks like a final common release production model rather than a special order. Additionally, NO RAPTOR HAS HEADLIGHTS THAT ARE A PRECISE MATCH, CLOSE, BUT NOT PRECISE.

QUESTIONS: How did our patsy EVER get his hands on a base price $151,000 USD SUV that was so brand spakin new it has not been released by Ford yet in it's current form? And why would the false flag crew ever use that particular SUV anyway?

[Akasha]

Update from Jim Stone:
http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethise9.html

UPDATE: BLOCKBUSTER: TERRORISTS DROVE SUV SO NEW IT WON'T BE RELEASED UNTIL QUARTER 1 2016!!!

I received a message saying that the SUV used in the shoot out was in the prototyping stage and does not exist. As it turns out, it looks like it does not exist. There is a pickup truck to SUV conversion called the Ford Raptor that looks similar, and if you look up 2015 or 2016 Ford Raptor conversions, they look very much like the shootout SUV except for the grill. After combing through Google images of what will be released this SUV used in the shooting is the latest from Ford that has not been released yet simply because the grill is different from the other raptors (it is a Ford Excursion that is definitely based a raptor) and looks like a final common release production model rather than a special order. Additionally, NO RAPTOR HAS HEADLIGHTS THAT ARE A PRECISE MATCH, CLOSE, BUT NOT PRECISE.

QUESTIONS: How did our patsy EVER get his hands on a base price $151,000 USD SUV that was so brand spakin new it has not been released by Ford yet in it's current form? And why would the false flag crew ever use that particular SUV anyway?

It's a 2015 Ford Expedition:

http://www.ford.com/ngbs-services/resources/ford/expedition/2015/highlights/epd15_highlight_lg_platinum.jpg

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/12/05/us/05wife-jp1/05wife-jp1-articleLarge.jpg

That's not to say that this isn't another S+M (Smith-Mundt (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55086-HR-5736-the-Smith-Mundt-Modernization-Act-of-2012--USA-) / stage-managed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55092-HR-5736-Government-New-Powers--Tyranny--over-ANY-Mass-Media-MAKE-THIS-VIRAL-Sandy-Hook)) event, though.

[TargeT]

Update from Jim Stone:
http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethise9.html

UPDATE: BLOCKBUSTER: TERRORISTS DROVE SUV SO NEW IT WON'T BE RELEASED UNTIL QUARTER 1 2016!!!

I received a message saying that the SUV used in the shoot out was in the prototyping stage and does not exist. As it turns out, it looks like it does not exist. There is a pickup truck to SUV conversion called the Ford Raptor that looks similar, and if you look up 2015 or 2016 Ford Raptor conversions, they look very much like the shootout SUV except for the grill. After combing through Google images of what will be released this SUV used in the shooting is the latest from Ford that has not been released yet simply because the grill is different from the other raptors (it is a Ford Excursion that is definitely based a raptor) and looks like a final common release production model rather than a special order. Additionally, NO RAPTOR HAS HEADLIGHTS THAT ARE A PRECISE MATCH, CLOSE, BUT NOT PRECISE.

QUESTIONS: How did our patsy EVER get his hands on a base price $151,000 USD SUV that was so brand spakin new it has not been released by Ford yet in it's current form? And why would the false flag crew ever use that particular SUV anyway?

It's a 2015 Ford Expedition:

I drive a ford Raptor.. they look NOTHING like this vehicle... (they ONLY come as trucks, never as an "SUV")

Here's what the 2017 Raptor will look like
http://www.addictivedesertdesigns.com/images/2017-ford-raptor/2017-Ford-Raptor-Black.jpg

Simple mistakes like this are VERY frustrating, it's part of why I no longer read much from Mr Stone.

[jaybee]

Secretive “Khawlah Division” Warned Behind San Bernardino Massacre; More Attacks Warned To Follow

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

A very concerning Federal Security Services (FSB) report circulating in the Kremlin today states that the 2 December San Bernardino massacre that killed 14 innocent people was carried out by a secretive Islamic “woman only” combat organization known as the “Khawlah Division” having roots in Pakistan, and funded by Saudi Arabia, which Federation intelligence analysts had sent a “SECRET/URGENT” warning about on 27 November to both the United States and Thailand—and which the warning to Thailand was, briefly, made public.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/sbs1.jpg
Khawlah Division terrorist member Tashfeen Malik, center



According to this report, FSB intelligence analysts, on 25 November, intercepted an Islamic State (ISIL/ISIS/Daesh) communication originating in Pakistan activating the “Khawlah Division” and warned Thailand that at least 10 of these Islamic woman fighters had entered their country to carry out attacks against Russian interests, and further warned the United States that they had been infiltrated by these terrorists too.

Spurring the warning by the FSB to the United States, this report continues, was that this intercepted Islamic State communication activating the “Khawlah Division” had also been sent to the radical Islamic Circle of North America Sisters' Wing (ICNA) organization based in New York City—and whose link to San Bernardino terrorist Tashfeen Malik was established by her having numerous ICNA items in her home, including a sticker on her refrigerator.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/sbs4.jpg

The female terrorist members of the “Khawlah Division”, this report explains, derive their name from the 7th century Muslim Arab woman-warrior Khawlah bint al-Azwar whose battlefield exploits on behalf of Islam are still revered, and whose modern day “activation” was accomplished at Pakistan’s Lal Masjid Mosque (Red Mosque) where on 29 November 2014 their extremist all girls seminary made and circulated a video in support of the Islamic State and its leader Baghdadi and asked Pakistani militants to join hands with ISIS fighters.

With US intelligence officials having now provided information to Pakistani authorities their information linking Tashfeen Malik to the notorious Red Mosque, this report warns, a greater concern, at least to American officials, lies in who besides Tashfeen Malik the terrorist INCA “sisters wing” in New York City has been communicating with.

Making this concern valid, this report notes, is the INCA having too many terrorists links to count—including their former leader, Ashrafuz Zaman Khan being one of the convicted masterminds of 1971 killing of Bengali intellectuals and their training guides that advocate waging jihad to establish Sharia in the West.

Also to be noted, this report further warns, with the Islamic State already admitting that “Khawlah Division” member Tashfeen Malik and her husband, Syed Farook, were their devoted followers, US intelligence officials have further uncovered these two terrorists association with a Syrian al Qaeda-affiliated group and al Shabaab in Somalia too—but whom are unable to be further questioned after their being shot to death by American police forces.

Pictures of Handcuffed attackers laying in blood stains, go to link I am not posting it here
With Muslims in the United States and around the world continuing to celebrate terror events like the San Bernardino massacre, this report concludes, the actions by the Obama regime in response to this horrific attack by the now activated “Khawlah Division” have been “beyond stupefying” as President Obama’s top law enforcement officer, US Attorney General Loretta Lynch, instead of showing sympathy for 14 murdered Americans, instead stated:

“The Muslim American community is expanding, which is beautiful, and my message to the Muslim community is that we stand with you in these times.”

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/sbs5.jpg

I read some important truths in this report but have flags popping up all over on the spin pointing away from the CIA and pentagon warmongers towards the white house instead...


Here's the link for that article -

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1954.htm


You know, if this article is true - and IMO it is more likely to be true than the ''''False Flag'''' malarkey - it means that the woman was the mover and shaker for the mission - but perhaps she had to do it with a man because they (the really devote women) aren't allowed out in public unless accompanied by a male - so married one who would become her accomplice - and used his place of work as the place of mass murder because they would know the outlay etc....?

also - the choice of venue for the attack - a Christmas party for people who work with the disabled...perhaps this came from the mind of a woman (obviously a very indoctrinated and ruthless woman) - there was something disturbingly different about it all..?



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[TargeT]

Here's the link for that article -

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1954.htm


You know, if this article is true - and IMO it is more likely to be true than the ''''False Flag'''' malarkey -.

"Sorcha Fall" is probably the most infamous disinfo agent I know of

SORCHA FAAL...disinfo agent (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11300-SORCHA-FAAL...disinfo-agent)

SORCHA FAAL & DISINFORMATION SITES (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/sorcha-faal-disinformation-sites)


Sorcha Faal is David Booth, CIA dis-Information agent (http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/sorcha-faal-is-david-booth-cia-dis-information-agent/question-1480439/)


Enough is enough of Sorcha Faal… Disinfo agent. (http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/enough-is-enough-of-sorcha-faal-disinfo-agent/)

Sorcha Faal... Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sorchafaaldisinfo15mar08.shtml)

That's just for starters, there's LOTS of stuff on "Sorcha"

[jaybee]

Here's the link for that article -

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1954.htm


You know, if this article is true - and IMO it is more likely to be true than the ''''False Flag'''' malarkey -.

"Sorcha Fall" is probably the most infamous disinfo agent I know of

SORCHA FAAL...disinfo agent (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?11300-SORCHA-FAAL...disinfo-agent)

SORCHA FAAL & DISINFORMATION SITES (http://theuniversalseduction.com/articles/sorcha-faal-disinformation-sites)


Sorcha Faal is David Booth, CIA dis-Information agent (http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/sorcha-faal-is-david-booth-cia-dis-information-agent/question-1480439/)


Enough is enough of Sorcha Faal… Disinfo agent. (http://republicbroadcasting.org/news/enough-is-enough-of-sorcha-faal-disinfo-agent/)

Sorcha Faal... Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of One David Booth (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sorchafaaldisinfo15mar08.shtml)

That's just for starters, there's LOTS of stuff on "Sorcha"


Haha - I've only looked at one link for now -

David Booth - Jim Stone

Perhaps it's a Hegelian Dialectic thingy we've got on the go here - - :idea:


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[TargeT]

Haha - I've only looked at one link for now -

David Booth - Jim Stone

Perhaps it's a Hegelian Dialectic thingy we've got on the go here - - :idea:


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WAY too soon to tell IMO... all we can do is watch for now (or ever?)

[Violet]

Did Tariq Ramadan really say that? It doesn't sound like him.

[ErtheVessel]

Did any of these news sources ever say what happened to the couple's supposed six-month-old baby? Did the couple just leave the baby in the apartment while they went out to commit mass murder? Were they going to go back home and pick the baby up afterwards? Did they hire a babysitter? lol

Also, at the very beginning, there were supposedly three suspects, weren't there? What happened to the third one? We only hear about the "couple" on mainstream news now, but mainstream news clearly talked about three suspects at the beginning of this whole thing. Did I just miss something? Did they kill one of the suspects and I just didn't hear about it? If they did, did he have his passport conveniently stashed in his pocket? :-)

I honestly don't know what to think, but I am darn sure that whatever happened sure isn't anything at all like what we're being told happened. What an amazing circus.

[M-Albion-3D]

Update from Jim Stone:
http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethise9.html

UPDATE: BLOCKBUSTER: TERRORISTS DROVE SUV SO NEW IT WON'T BE RELEASED UNTIL QUARTER 1 2016!!!

I received a message saying that the SUV used in the shoot out was in the prototyping stage and does not exist. As it turns out, it looks like it does not exist. There is a pickup truck to SUV conversion called the Ford Raptor that looks similar, and if you look up 2015 or 2016 Ford Raptor conversions, they look very much like the shootout SUV except for the grill. After combing through Google images of what will be released this SUV used in the shooting is the latest from Ford that has not been released yet simply because the grill is different from the other raptors (it is a Ford Excursion that is definitely based a raptor) and looks like a final common release production model rather than a special order. Additionally, NO RAPTOR HAS HEADLIGHTS THAT ARE A PRECISE MATCH, CLOSE, BUT NOT PRECISE.

QUESTIONS: How did our patsy EVER get his hands on a base price $151,000 USD SUV that was so brand spakin new it has not been released by Ford yet in it's current form? And why would the false flag crew ever use that particular SUV anyway?

It's a 2015 Ford Expedition:

http://www.ford.com/ngbs-services/resources/ford/expedition/2015/highlights/epd15_highlight_lg_platinum.jpg

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/12/05/us/05wife-jp1/05wife-jp1-articleLarge.jpg

That's not to say that this isn't another S+M (Smith-Mundt (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55086-HR-5736-the-Smith-Mundt-Modernization-Act-of-2012--USA-) / stage-managed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?55092-HR-5736-Government-New-Powers--Tyranny--over-ANY-Mass-Media-MAKE-THIS-VIRAL-Sandy-Hook)) event, though.

Jim Stone has updated his first take on the SUV. Here's his latest:

http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethisf1.html

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/Excur_zpstxaifnmt.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/Excur_zpstxaifnmt.jpg.html)

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/nn_zpsp5rtxrcf.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/nn_zpsp5rtxrcf.jpg.html)
- Jim Stone

[TargeT]

Did any of these news sources ever say what happened to the couple's supposed six-month-old baby? Did the couple just leave the baby in the apartment while they went out to commit mass murder? Were they going to go back home and pick the baby up afterwards? Did they hire a babysitter?

Also, at the very beginning, there were supposedly three suspects, weren't there? What happened to the third one? We only hear about the "couple" on mainstream news now, but mainstream news clearly talked about three suspects at the beginning of this whole thing. Did I just miss something? Did they kill one of the suspects and I just didn't hear about it? If they did, did he have his passport conveniently stashed in his pocket? :-)

I honestly don't know what to think, but I am darn sure that whatever happened sure isn't anything at all like what we're being told happened. What an amazing circus.

baby was supposedly "dropped off" with grandma before the attack.

originally witnesses reported 3 tall white male assailants with masks and body armor, there were guesses that they were military (athletic tall)

the wife was 5'nothing @ 90lbs so that's pretty fishy...
T. Malik:
https://mgtvwric.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/tashfeen-malik-syed-rizwan-farook.jpg

[M-Albion-3D]

This is the kind of crap we have to watch out for when the MSM (this case CNN) comes out with...

"THE IDEA OF THE WOMAN BEING HANDCUFFED IS....SIMPLY IRRELEVANT"!

and

"THEY WERE IN THE CAR AND WERE TAKING SHOTS ETC ETC...THAT'S BEYOND FACT"!

Why...because that is what "THE INVESTIGATORS SAID" and WHO are the investigators?????

What a crock of crap!

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/Bound_zpsbpv2fi1r.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/Bound_zpsbpv2fi1r.jpg.html)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oidFhLOG5LWEM0c1k/view?usp=sharing

[Rocky_Shorz]

Update from Jim Stone:
http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethise9.html

UPDATE: BLOCKBUSTER: TERRORISTS DROVE SUV SO NEW IT WON'T BE RELEASED UNTIL QUARTER 1 2016!!!

I received a message saying that the SUV used in the shoot out was in the prototyping stage and does not exist. As it turns out, it looks like it does not exist. There is a pickup truck to SUV conversion called the Ford Raptor that looks similar, and if you look up 2015 or 2016 Ford Raptor conversions, they look very much like the shootout SUV except for the grill. After combing through Google images of what will be released this SUV used in the shooting is the latest from Ford that has not been released yet simply because the grill is different from the other raptors (it is a Ford Excursion that is definitely based a raptor) and looks like a final common release production model rather than a special order. Additionally, NO RAPTOR HAS HEADLIGHTS THAT ARE A PRECISE MATCH, CLOSE, BUT NOT PRECISE.

QUESTIONS: How did our patsy EVER get his hands on a base price $151,000 USD SUV that was so brand spakin new it has not been released by Ford yet in it's current form? And why would the false flag crew ever use that particular SUV anyway?

It's a 2015 Ford Expedition:

I drive a ford Raptor.. they look NOTHING like this vehicle... (they ONLY come as trucks, never as an "SUV")

Here's what the 2017 Raptor will look like
http://www.addictivedesertdesigns.com/images/2017-ford-raptor/2017-Ford-Raptor-Black.jpg

Simple mistakes like this are VERY frustrating, it's part of why I no longer read much from Mr Stone.

Dude Raptors Rock, I bow to you for having one o wildman...

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6Wqd3irvgQc/hqdefault.jpg

[Meggings]

Ole Dammegard posted this story below, which is how I saw it.
http://presstv.com/Detail/2015/12/08/440834/Craft-International-mercenaries-San-Bernardino-shooting

Mercenaries from the Craft International, a tactical training company for the US military, carried out last week’s false flag operation in San Bernardino, California, according to Steven D Kelley, a former NSA/CIA contractor.

Partial quotes from this article:

“I do not suspect that these people [the Muslim couple] have anything to do with the actual shooting. I suspect that these were patsies, no different than Timothy McVeigh or any of these other people who have historically been used to implement these terrorist acts,” the commentator said.

“If you look at the people that were wounded you can see clearly that bullet wounds are not real. The .223 weapon or bullets fired from AR15 – an extremely powerful weapon -- would blow someone’s arm off, it is not going to make a small hole,” said Kelley, who is also a weapons expert.

“So clearly this is a very very dirty false flag. Obviously, the United States is getting very very desperate; the government here is very desperate, they need to do something immediately to disarm the United States prior to a revolution, because the people here are waking up very fast, and they are ready to shut down this evil empire. And this needs to happen very soon,” the analyst concluded.

[Meggings]

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More holes blown wide open in the official story, from Zerohedge (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-06/san-bernardino-attack-eye-witness-three-tall-white-men-did-it):




San Bernardino Attack Eye-Witness: "Three Tall White Men Did It"

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/06/2015 21:35 -0500

Submitted by Shepard Ambellas via Intellihub.com (https://www.intellihub.com/eyewitness-terror-attack-three-tall-white-men/)

A few interesting details have surfaced regarding Wednesday’s mass shooting dubbed ‘terror attack’ which killed 14 and injured 17 others. One of the most interesting comes from an eyewitness.

We now know that ATF investigators recovered [;url=http://www.infowars.com/fiorina-san-bernardino-shooters-gun-bought-for-police/]police issued[/url] firearms from the alleged shooters. This key detail was leaked by 2016 GOP Presidential Candidate Carly Fiorina during a press interview after she had overheard a newsroom report that doesn’t fit the official narrative.

We also know that active shooter drills (https://www.intellihub.com/shock-report-police-engaged-active-shooter-drill-just-san-bernardino-massacre/) actually took place near the crime scene just days before and possibly even on the same day of the mass shooting as reported by Mac Slavo.

Additionally details from an eyewitness, who came forth on the day of the shooting, may have been overlooked by investigators and suggest that there were actually ‘three white shooters’ instead of the radicalized husband and wife natural-born killer team portrayed in some mainline reports.

The witness, Sally Abdelmageed, worked at Inland Medical Center where the attack took place and saw it all unfold firsthand. It’s also important to note that Abdelmageed is likely not lying and that this quite possibly might be the most accurate eyewitness account publicized to date. After all how can two shooters, a man and a petite woman, be mistaken for three white military men with athletic builds?

In a phone interview with CBS Abdelmageed explained:



"I heard shots fired and it was from you know an automatic weapon. [...] very unusual. Why would we hear shots? As we looked out the window a second set of shots goes off [...] and we saw a man fall to the floor. Then we just looked and we saw three men dressed in all black, military attire, with vests on they were holding assault rifles. As soon as they opened up the doors to building three [...] one of them [...] started to shoot into the room."

When asked what the gunman that shot into the room looked like the eyewitness replied:



"I couldn’t see a face, he had a black hat on […] black cargo pants, the kind with the big puffy pockets on the side [...] long sleeve shirt [...] gloves [...] huge assault rifle [...] six magazines […] I just saw three dressed exactly the same”.

“You are certain you saw three men,” the newscaster asked Abdelmageed.

“Yes,” said Abdelmageed.


“It looked like their skin color was white. They look like they were athletic build and they appeared to be tall.”

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There's more at the above Zerohedge link.

Once again, of this and other such, this stinks to high heaven.

Those with such abilities might send Sally Abdelmageed some protection.

Paul, I just stumbled upon another eye-witness at the shooting (his name is Juan Hernandez I think he said). Here he describes to NBC reporter that he saw three men in military outifts hurry from the shooting site into a black SUV. He said they were in a hurry and it seemed to him that they were the shooters. He was asked how many shots he had heard, and he said it was like a firing range, with lots and lots of shooting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s45OeXNRZng


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s45OeXNRZng

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul, I just stumbled upon another eye-witness at the shooting (his name is Juan Hernandez I think he said). Here he describes to NBC reporter that he saw three men in military outifts hurry from the shooting site into a black SUV. He said they were in a hurry and it seemed to him that they were the shooters. He was asked how many shots he had heard, and he said it was like a firing range, with lots and lots of shooting.
Jim Stone, at jimstone.is, has been studying available images and video from this San Bernardino attack, and he has come to has come to the conclusion that the vehicle (a big black sedan) that the culprits supposedly drove to the scene was remotely controlled (no one in the drivers seat in videos of the car chase) with police-only issue front flashing yellow lights, that was shot up from the outside (windows rolled up when shot, preventing anyone from sensibly shooting accurately with a long rifle from the inside).

I agree with your PressTV article, Meggings. Pretty clearly this Muslim couple was set up, and Craft operatives did the dirty deeds.

[Cidersomerset]

The Richie Allen Show on Davidicke.com: Michael Rivero –
‘San Bernardino Shooting Is The Most Obvious False Flag
Event In Recent History’

By David Icke on 11th December 2015

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Published on 10 Dec 2015


Please Support The Show – http://richieallen.co.uk/


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Gun debate sparks in US after mass shooting in California

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Published on 12 Dec 2015

The gun control debate has intensified in the US after the California shooting earlier
this month which claimed 14 lives.

RT LIVE http://rt.com/on-air

[M-Albion-3D]

After watching many videos from various eye witnesses now, it seems to be that the official narrative is beginning to fall apart and that "the day" had been scrupulously planned and premeditated under Hegelian Dialectic architecture!


And, quite frankly on quite a large scale. But, as with all these ugly false flag events, upon close scrutiny, holes and disconnects start to appear. Now if only we could count on a true "independent media" as required in our constitution?


One of the "inconsistencies" which surfaced last week, was the "getaway" vehicle, that new black SUV. Then I saw the video of the SUV being chased through SB with police cars in chase until its final destination where the vehicle had been bomb shelled "Bonnie and Clyde" style a half a mile down the road.


http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/caes_zps6fecqtsd.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/caes_zps6fecqtsd.jpg.html)

So I copied the video (taken by a bystander presumably) and slowed the frames down and checked those "flashing head lights" of the getaway SUV...hmmm?


As noted by Jim Stone...

http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a528/marsevidence01/Save%20from%20JS_zps6to454vh.jpg (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/marsevidence01/media/Save%20from%20JS_zps6to454vh.jpg.html)


Here are the slowed video clips. I count the main head lights flashing at least 7 times here.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiSGljNEhBa3hJOG8/view?usp=sharing


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiYmVWODgwVlViQk0/view?usp=sharing


As continuous flashing "WHITE LIGHTS" are illegal for pedestrian cars and ONLY legal for government or police vehicles, are we expected to believe then that the getaway vehicle SUV was a civilian car....or in truth, actually a police vehicle....in disguise???

[Cidersomerset]

The San Bernadino Shooting – What Really Happened Behind The Scenes?

By David Icke on 14th December 2015

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THE SAN BERNARDINO SHOOTING – What Really Happened Behind The Scenes?

December 13, 2015 By Shawn Helton 2 Comments

Shawn Helton
21st Century Wire

‘The latest media driven shooting attack said to have taken place in San Bernardino,
California over a week ago now – and still there’s a growing list of details that don’t add up.

After a week of whitewashed reports, a media scripted ransacking of the alleged ‘shooters’
home (tampering with a potential crime scene) and eyewitness accounts that contradict the
official narrative, we also learn that the very room where 14 people were reportedly killed
(along with 21 injured) during a deadly shooting attack at the Inland Regional Center, there
was an “active-shooter” training drill involving some of the victims almost a year before the attack.

Here’s what doesn’t add up…’

Read more: The San Bernadino Shooting – What Really Happened Behind The Scenes?

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/12/13/the-san-bernardino-shooting-what-really-happened-behind-the-scenes/

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High Treason: Why It’s So Important To Pursue Justice Against Crisis Actors

By David Icke on 14th December 2015

http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/treasonactors.png

‘Are we too busy watching the show that no one has stopped to ask the question of,
How can we track down and hold accountable the crisis actors which are destroying
freedom in America and around the world? It’s a brand new narrative and it’s
something truth and freedom lovers will have to tackle at some point in the near
future if humanity is to survive the coming catastrophes.

The need for an investigative body that will penetrate the secrecy of government to
hold crisis actors (among others) responsible for their crimes is urgent. So let me
be (one of) the first to say it. Crisis actors are just as guilty as those in power,
especially over the past two administrations, who are committing crimes against
humanity, and they must all be held accountable. It is time to view crisis actors in
this regard from now on.’

Read more: High Treason: Why It’s So Important To Pursue Justice Against Crisis Actors

http://www.activistpost.com/2015/12/high-treason-why-its-so-important-to-pursue-justice-against-crisis-actors.html

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33 Unanswered Questions On Sandy Hook’s Third Anniversary

By David Icke on 14th December 2015

http://www.davidicke.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Untitled-214.jpg

As the Sandy Hook 3rd anniversary rolls around this December 14th, 2015, it is
well worth remembering what a strange, unique, manipulative and horrific event
occurred on December 14th, 2012. When I say horrific, I am not referring to what
you may think was the horrific aspect of the event: the gunning down of 20
innocent children and 6 innocent adults. That is unquestionably horrific, but to date
there has hardly been enough evidence to prove beyond all doubt that actual
people were gunned down.’

Read more: 33 Unanswered Questions On Sandy Hook’s Third Anniversary




http://www.activistpost.com/2015/12/33-unanswered-questions-on-sandy-hooks-3rd-anniversary.html

[Cidersomerset]

San Bernardino Hoax – The Chase

By David Icke on 11th January 2016

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Published on 9 Jan 2016


This is the first part of a complete reconstruction of the various pursuits of black SUVs,
as reported over San Bernardino Police radio in real time.You will see that the events
could not have possibly taken place the way we are being told they did by authorities.