Strange aircraft traveling more than supersonic?

[mojo]

Think this is a conventional aircraft. The past career in the Airforce allowed observation of many aircraft flying but I have never seen one travel this fast. It appears to be a lot like the SR-71 Blackbird with huge engines or do you think it's something else?

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[Bill Ryan]

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Well, that's pretty strange. If it's an aircraft flying at any altitude at all, it's a LOT more than supersonic. :)

It's only on the video for 3 frames (really hard to see!), and if the video is recorded at 30 frames per second, that's 1/10th of a second. Even if it's at 1,000 ft altitude, that implies a distance of maybe half a mile in that time, which equates to 5 miles a second. That's 18,000 mph. (And it kinda looks like that!)

That calculation is totally rough, but it shows the order of magnitude.

More strange than that is the shape of the thing, and its attitude relative to the direction of travel. I downloaded the video at 720p (high resolution), and took a screenshot of the thing before it disappeared. I also superimposed two frames to show the direction of travel.

http://projectavalon.net/strange_aircaft_screenshot.gif

http://projectavalon.net/strange_aircaft_screenshot_detail.gif


It looks so very strange, and the speed (if at any altitude) is so high, that I'm far more given to suspect it's something like a loose kite blowing in a strong wind, only 100 ft up. I'd be curious to hear other opinions.

[mojo]

Thanks Bill, it was the fast speed that made me also think it was unusual. Glad you zoomed in to see it better as you can see why thought big engines but now looking at the image not sure either.

[Sunny-side-up]

If you take the "engines" off I would say I've seen a wing shape just like that. The thing I saw was from directly underneath, it was travelling slowly behind a commercial aircraft, turned on it's wing tip as if it was 'anti-gravity'

But:
in a very big playing field area near where I live I have heard something fly over me, no visuals in the direction the sound was travelling. The sound was just a Hi-pitched sharp hiss! I turned my head very fast to try see it, to track the sound which would equal no more than the length of you thumb held out and up at arms length.
Each time I heard it had same no visual result, totally clear sky, clouds up at about 60k.
I wonder if the thing in the vid made any sound like that?

Interesting find mojo, keep them comming

[Ewan]

I latched onto the loose kite, plastic sheet, something very light being driven by a strong wind, but after watching it again that flight path looks pretty damn straight and anything light at the vagaries of the wind would have to be very areodynamic not to deviate somewhat. Even at low height, so horizon to exiting screen is much shorter, it's still a fair distance straight.

Can we find out where it was filmed and time to correlate reported weather?

[DeDukshyn]

Appears somewhat insectoid to me at quick glance. Maybe a large beetle. Beetles hold their shells (which is actually a modified front wing) up in the air when they fly. If it is a bug, that perfectly explains the "apparent" speed, while no sonic boom is heard - like you would expect if it really was a large craft travelling supersonically.

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[mojo]

Hi,
Very interesting synchronicity after posting this and then the Kevin Via interview for MUFON Symposium post at 13:45 he discusses the speed of the SR-71 perhaps it is the SR-71based on his speed estimates?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87440-UFO-witness-Kevin-Via-at-2015-symposium

[Lifebringer]

Wow...nice catch.

[DeDukshyn]

Hi,
Very interesting synchronicity after posting this and then the Kevin Via interview for MUFON Symposium post at 13:45 he discusses the speed of the SR-71 perhaps it is the SR-71based on his speed estimates?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87440-UFO-witness-Kevin-Via-at-2015-symposium

If an SR-71 was flying below the clouds in the scene (which aren't too terribly high) at say mach 3, (cruising speed), it would be a lot more dramatic. Remember that the blackbird is a long range surveillance and spy vessel (that can carry bombs), it is designed to fly at extremely high altitudes (60-90,000 ft), and I believe can only fly at cruising speeds at said altitudes. Top speed is 3.5 but can likely be pushed to 3.7.

The Blackbird is my favorite craft of all time. They've all since been decommissioned, and replaced with better and more modern craft. The SR-71 is a design from the 1950's. I watched a great documentary on it, how it was being designed and built at area-51, the tactics they used to hide the project from Russian satelites, etc. I can't recall the name. The project codename was oxcart - think the doc name might have had something to do with that. If I think of it I'll post link here.

But the UFO does look a little like it in one frame, but unfortunately not in any other frames. :)

http://iliketowastemytime.com/facts-you-didnt-know-about-sr71-blackbird

[Bill Ryan]

The Blackbird is my favorite craft of all time.

:thumbsup:

http://static.fjcdn.com/large/pictures/73/28/7328a7_284375.jpg




Top speed is 3.5 but can likely be pushed to 3.7.

They've all since been decommissioned

I was told recently by someone with direct personal experience that


The classified top speed is Mach 6 (this raised my eyebrows about an inch and a half! :) ), and



A small number are still flying.

[DeDukshyn]

 



...this raised my eyebrows about an inch and a half! :)


That's still less than the hull of the Blackbird supposedly stretches at high speeds due to heat buildup from friction with the air. ;)

ADDITION:
This is partly the reason it has to fly at extreme altitudes. The air is much thinner up there, and offers far less friction (plus it's cold - helps with cooling).

[mojo]

hmmm let's do a little more math... but still doesnt support an SR-71 speed if the 18000 mph estimate is correct
Mach1=761.2 mph
Mach 6= 4567.2 mph wow, I still can't tell the speed even at that rate in the video?
the estimate of frame rate is based on 30fps but does not look HD the best video detail is 480P and frame size looks like older analog camcorder.

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[DeDukshyn]

hmmm let's do a little more math... but still doesnt support an SR-71 speed if the 18000 mph estimate is correct
Mach1=761.2 mph
Mach 6= 4567.2 mph wow, I still can't tell the speed even at that rate in the video?
the estimate of frame rate is based on 30fps but does not look HD the best video detail is 480P and frame size looks like older analog camcorder.

Because there is no way at all to determine how far away the object is from the camera, or how much distance it is actually covering, you can not accurately determine speed at all. Bill's formula used an "if the object is at 1000ft", that is a complete guess, and his calculations are entirely dependent on that guess. On the flip side, the one I'm leaning toward, the UFO is only at an altitude about 7 feet and is only 1.5 inches in diameter, then the object is likely only moving a couple miles an hour after you subtract out the cameras forward speed.

Unfortunately the variable missing is the most important one needed to determine the speed of the object.

[Ewan]

It's almost certainly not 30 fps. There's no markers to hint at altitude. Location actually looks like the UK, I see that kind of building at the side of the road all the time - if it is UK we don't have bugs that big, that I'm aware of, regardless of altitude.

[Limor Wolf]

With regards to suprsonic (not specifically related to the video mojo posted), in this conversation whistleblower Sgt Dan Macbolen (who has knowledge of deep operations) actually speaks about a 22.9 Mach as part of 'Have Blue' and 'Tacit Blue' off propolsion gravity ditortion black technologies flying machines measured 22.9 Mach

01:53:15


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8bHMEKcDH8

[DeDukshyn]

It's almost certainly not 30 fps.

29 fps is what the video framerate is (I downloaded and checked). And a bug doesn't have to be huge to see it - a medium sized butterfly would appear like that at the last frame if one was only a few feet from the car.

[Atlas]

The classified top speed is Mach 6



They'll release it in about 15 years:

Going hypersonic: spyplane could jump to Mach 6 (https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24532-going-hypersonic-spyplane-could-jump-to-mach-6/)



By 2030, the SR-72 will be able to fly at Mach 6. Engineers at Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works lab in Palmdale, California, claim to have solved a problem that has so far prevented aircraft flying faster than Mach 3.

Working with propulsion firm Aerojet Rocketdyne of Sacramento, California, and informed by research on hypersonics by NASA and DARPA in the last decade, Lockheed Martin says it has now closed the jet/scramjet gap.

At Mach 6 – 7350 kilometres per hour – Skunk Works programme manager Brad Leland says the SR-72 could reach “any location across a continent in less than an hour”.

Lockheed is not the only aviation giant that is working on a a hypersonic plane. European firm EADS is developing the Mach 4 Zero Emission Hypersonic Transport (ZEHST), which it thinks could be flying by 2050.

http://www.actinnovation.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/EADS_ZEHST.jpg

The rocket engine lofts the delta-wing plane to the stratosphere at an altitude of 32 kilometres. Once in that ultra thin air, a "ramjet" slung beneath each of the delta wings handles the flight's Mach 4 cruise phase.

EADS expects Tokyo to London flights to take just 2 hours and 20 minutes.
Source: https://www.newscientist.com/blogs/onepercent/2011/06/triple-engined-trick-fuels-ret.html

[Atlas]

X-51A Screams to Hypersonic Success

An unmanned experimental aircraft has finally succeeded in doing what no other air-breathing airplane has done before: fly faster than Mach 5.

http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/cm/15/05/54cb0fbfa08ec_-_x-51a-01-0513-mdn.jpg

At the earliest, Brink said, the technology might be mature enough for production in 2020.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2012/08/Waverider1.jpeg

http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a8936/x-51a-scramjet-scream-to-hypersonic-success-15452279/