Report of discovery of large object in far outer edges of solar system......

[Carmody]

Report of discovery of large object in far outer edges of solar system incites skeptical reactions (http://phys.org/news/2015-12-discovery-large-outer-edges-solar.html)


Two separate teams of researchers (one from Mexico, the other Sweden), have incited skepticism among the astronomy community by posting papers on the preprint server arXiv each describing a different large object they observed in the outer edges of the solar system. Both teams made their observations after reviewing data from ALMA—a cluster of radio dishes in the Chilean mountains.

One of the objects was found to be near W Aquilae in the night sky—the other adjacent to Alpha Centauri . Both groups report being skeptical at first regarding a faint glow, but monitored what they had seen nonetheless—to their surprise they found that the objects appeared to mover relative to the stars behind them, which suggested they might be relatively close and that they might be orbiting the sun. Neither group was able to gain much evidence regarding the properties of the objects they had spied, because both of them were only able to make two observations, but both teams suggest there was enough data to allow for ruling out the object being an ordinary star.

The Swedish team nick-named the object they observed Gna, after a Nordic God known for its swiftness, and have told the press they had no intention of suggesting they had found the mythical Planet X which supposedly lies somewhere beyond Pluto. Instead they suggest it might be a large asteroid. The team from Mexico went a little further suggesting that the object they observed might possibly turn out to be a brown dwarf.

There is also the possibility, as some astronomers who have read the two papers suggest, that either or both of the objects are merely illusions, random blips or noise that for a moment or two appeared to take the shape of a very far away object. Some have even tweeted their opinions, insinuating that jumping on the Planet X bandwagon would be sheer folly.

Despite the skepticism, it is likely that other research groups will be training their instruments on the piece of sky where the objects were possibly seen, to prove or disprove their existence and to put a stop to the conjecture. Both of the teams involved have voiced their support of such efforts, noting that they would like an explanation for what they observed.

[ghostrider]

I hope it is not the Red meteor ... someday not too far off, they say it will impact between the north sea and the black Sea and cost many human lives ...

[Tyy1907]

Not playing the fear game. We have big brothers out there looking out for this planet and her people. No fear.

[Sunny-side-up]

The plot thickens.


might be a large asteroid
How large? and when dose an asteroids size class it as something else?

Like when dose a pond become a small lake 0.O


The Swedish team nick-named the object they observed Gna, after a Nordic God known for its swiftness

So it's moving fast then?

[Althena]

Not playing the fear game. We have big brothers out there looking out for this planet and her people. No fear.

I believe this is true, our buddies won't let it happen...

[Tyy1907]

The plot thickens.


might be a large asteroid
How large? and when dose an asteroids size class it as something else?

Like when dose a pond become a small lake 0.O


The Swedish team nick-named the object they observed Gna, after a Nordic God known for its swiftness

So it's moving fast then?

K I got it. "Intergalactic terrorism" there beat em to it. Ha ha
They could be gauging the reactions to this story. See how much fear can be "generated". Crafting it as they go. We'll see.

Or is it our space brothers craft keeping guard?

[Bill Ryan]

So it's moving fast then?

Here's the source paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/1512.02650

In that, it refers to "a single fast moving source".

[Jean-Marie]

Suspicious Observers talks a bit about the object found in the daily update you tube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5oDY_hwcLw

-jean-marie

[Cidersomerset]

The papers have been posting these stories more frequently as they
compete with online media. Though to be fair the mail and some
others have been doing it for decades, though they seem to be taking
the subject more seriously and the ' giggle' factor has gone from many
of the more recent articles I have seen. They even give a little explanation
of the theory of Planet X.

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Is there a SUPER EARTH on the edge of our solar system?
Controversial study says there may be a mega-planet orbiting our sun
Scientists spotted two of most distant objects found in our solar system
One of them may be a super Earth, according to the Swedish-led studies
Their speed and brightness suggest the objects are unlikely to be stars
The studies have already drawn scepticism from other astronomers
who say they are likely to be something known as super-cool brown dwarfs

By Ellie Zolfagharifard For Dailymail.com

Published: 19:47, 11 December 2015 | Updated: 01:34, 12 December 2015

Astronomers believe they have discovered two of the most distant objects ever
found in our solar system.One of the objects, they say, could be a 'Super Earth'
located six times farther away than Pluto.Using the Alma telescope, researchers
from Sweden and Mexico noticed mysterious objects crossing their field of view as
part of separate studies.It's difficult to tell exactly how far away these objects are,
but their speed and brightness suggest that they are unlikely to be stars.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/11/19/2F49A48300000578-3356577-image-a-1_1449862998654.jpg

Astronomers believe they have discovered two of the most distant objects ever
found in our solar system. One of the objects, they say, could be a 'Super Earth'
located six times farther away than Pluto. Pictured is an artist's impression of an
exoplanetThe studies have already drawn scepticism from other astronomers who
say they are likely to be something known as super-cool brown dwarfs.Brown
dwarfs are cosmic bodies that never burn fusion at their core. Scientists sometimes
refer to them as 'failed stars.'While the latest studies do not rule out this possibility,
they add that both objects may be a good candidate for 'Planet X'.This is a
theoretical world that, if it existed, could explain some anomalies in the orbits of
planets such as Neptune and Uranus.Wouter Vlemmings, an astronomer at
Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden is co-author on both studies.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/12/11/19/2F49C07B00000578-3356577-image-m-3_1449863013124.jpg

The studies were looking at a distant star called W Aquilae (or W Aql), and the
nearby star Alpha Centauri.In the W Aql study, the astronomers saw a strange
object in March 2014 and then in April.They claim it is likely just one object seen
twice, but seen on the fringes of our solar system, according to a report in Gizmodo.
'Until the nature of the source becomes clear, we have named it Gna,' write the
authors in the study.'Unless there are yet unknown, but significant, issues with
ALMA observations, we have detected a previously unknown objects [sic] in our
solar system.Estimates place the object, dubbed Gna, to be between 12 to 25 AU.
One AU describes the average distance of Earth to the Sun), or about 93 million
miles.They estimate its size is about 220 to 880 km (136 to 545 miles) if it's
gravitationally bound.If it's unbound it could 'much larger, planet-sized object'
located within 4,000 AU, or by some estimates 61,900 AU away.The second study
found an unnamed object that appears near the star system Alpha Centauri.
The researchers say it could be one of three things; a small Trans Neptunian Object
at a distance of 100 AU, a Super Earth located 300 AU away, or super-cool brown
dwarf.Research groups from Sweden and Mexico have now submitted pre-prints of
two research papers to arXiv describing their find.'Simple arguments convince us
that this object cannot be an ordinary star,' the authors of one paper, uploaded on
December 8, 2015, to arXiv, conclude.'We argue that the object is most likely part
of the solar system, in prograde motion, albeit at a distance too far to be detectable
at other wavelengths.'

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WHAT IS PLANET X?


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[aoibhghaire]

Interesting coincidence! In 'Nibiru Again', 26 Oct 2015, post 87.

Planet X observational scientific research indicates location:

RA 19h 55 min, Decl. -02 deg. 31 min as compared to this new finding at
RA 19h 15 min, Decl. -07 deg. 02 min

[onawah]

For what it's worth, Alex Collier recently said that Planet X will become visible coming in from behind the Sun this December.
See: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86847-Alex-Collier-Live-Webinar-November-20-2015&p=1024378#post1024378

[mojo]

The recent Washington Post article mentioned
They’re both based on limited observations — just two spottings apiece for each odd object. And even after just 48 hours online, they have garnered a great deal of skepticism within the astronomy community.

But soon there will be definitive proof if true...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/11/scientists-claimed-they-found-the-elusive-planet-x-now-astronomers-are-in-an-uproar/
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[apokalypse]

i hope some object destroy earth..

[meeradas]

i hope some object destroy earth..

coherent user name choice.

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I thanked your post solely because of the massive amount of pain [which i share, partly] that must be behind it.

[Swan]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/astronomers-skeptical-over-planet-x-claims/?q=wouter+vlemmings+chalmers

"For decades astronomers have searched for a possible “Planet X” in the far outer reaches of our solar system, speculating that something big and dark may be lurking out there, its gravitational influence occasionally stirring up trouble in the orbits of the objects that we do see. There are major incentives to look: When astronomers sought a Planet X beyond Uranus in 1846, they discovered Neptune; when they looked for one beyond Neptune in 1930, they found Pluto. Since then, the search for a Planet X beyond Pluto has almost been too successful—astronomers have found so many new and Plutolike “trans-Neptunian objects” (TNOs) that it became more sensible to demote Pluto from planethood rather than swell the solar system’s planetary population into the hundreds. After all, even the largest of the newfound TNOs were just about Pluto’s size—astronomers knew of nothing out there worthy of the “Planet X” name.

That is, perhaps, until now. On December 8 researchers from Sweden and Mexico quietly submitted two papers to the prestigious journal Astronomy & Astrophysics, announcing their discovery of not one but two possible Planet X candidates. The quiet did not last for long. Even though neither paper has yet been accepted for peer-review and publication, the researchers uploaded both to the arXiv, a public online repository for preprint papers, where they appeared last night. Today, as claims of newfound planets in our solar system reverberate around the world in news stories and blog posts, other astronomers are reviewing the papers and reacting mostly with skepticism. The ensuing discussions between experts in public forums like Twitter and Facebook offer a rare, real-time glimpse of the sometimes messy scientific process as it unfolds.

“Normally I prefer to only upload accepted papers,” says Wouter Vlemmings, an astronomer at Chalmers University of Technology in Sweden and co-author on both studies. “This time, however, we had exhausted our ideas. … With the arXiv upload we specifically wanted to reach the community that could tell us if we overlooked something, in which case we fully intend to withdraw the papers…. What I personally did not count on was the impact it has had outside the astronomy community.”

One of the candidates, nicknamed “Gna” (after a fast-moving “Nordic messenger goddess,” Vlemmings says) showed up in the sky next to the star W Aquilae whereas the other, as-yet-unnamed, appeared adjacent to our nearest neighboring star system Alpha Centauri. Astronomers detected both objects using the Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA), a massive group of radio dishes perched in the high desert of the Chilean Andes, and thought at first that the bodies were faint glows from far-distant background galaxies. But in separate pairs of snapshots taken over a period of months, both objects seemed to move swiftly against the “fixed” background stars, suggesting a relatively close cosmic proximity to our solar system. Considerable uncertainty exists about the properties of both objects because each was observed only twice, and bodies with a wide range of sizes, compositions and distances from us could explain the measured brightness.

Gna, the researchers say, is quite likely to be something like a 200-kilometer-wide asteroid floating between Saturn and Uranus, but it could also be a free-floating Neptune-size planet drifting a hundred times farther out or a failed star—a Jupiter-size brown dwarf—passing by in nearby interstellar space. Similarly, the object seen in the direction of Alpha Centauri could conceivably be a nearby brown dwarf, a super-Earth midway in size between our planet and Neptune some six times farther out than Pluto or an impressively-sized hunk of ice much, much closer in.

Alternatively, both objects could be illusory, random blips of noise echoing through the world’s most complex and ambitious array of radio telescopes. According to Scott Sheppard, a planetary scientist at the Carnegie Institution for Science involved with surveys of the outer solar system, the fact that only two observations apiece underpin both discovery claims makes them hard to swallow. “Anything could create two random detections, and you can always fit a straight line through any two points,” Sheppard says. Demonstrating that either object was real, he says, would likely require a third detection, one that shows the object’s clear, linear movement at a consistent speed.

What these objects are, and whether they exist at all, are open questions. What is certain, however, is that earlier searches have placed limits on the possibilities for any Planet X. An all-sky search by NASA’s Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer space telescope previously found no signs of any additional planets in our solar system, ruling out anything Jupiter-size within about three trillion kilometers of the sun, and anything Saturn-size within half that distance. Something smaller and dimmer like a super-Earth could still lurk out there, unseen, but to find it with such easy serendipity in routine ALMA measurements seems statistically unlikely, astronomers say.

Mike Brown, a prominent California Institute of Technology astronomer and self-described “Pluto killer” who discovered several large TNOs that dethroned the former planet, unleashed another statistical argument against the claimed new planets on Twitter. “If it is true that ALMA accidentally discovered a massive outer solar system object in its tiny, tiny, tiny, field of view,” Brown tweeted, “that would suggest that there are something like 200,000 Earth-sized planets in the outer solar system. Which, um, no.”

“Even better,” he added later, “I just realized that this many Earth-sized planets existing would destabilize the entire solar system and we would all die.” That said, Brown notes, “the idea that there might be large planets lurking in the outer solar system is perfectly plausible.”

Many of the most cutting reactions came from astronomers discussing the results on a public Facebook group devoted to imaging exoplanets—that is, planets around other stars. (Update: the group has since been made private.) After tweeting that the two papers “will launch 1,000 undoubtedly wrong blogs and news releases,” University of Rochester astronomer Eric Mamajek detailed what he believes to be serious inconsistencies in the measurements of motion and brightness for both objects. “‘Gna’ presumably stands for ‘Goofy Non-Asteroid,’” Mamajek quipped, before suggesting that the objects could perhaps be activity in faraway galaxies, simply misconstrued as being much closer to Earth. “Please pass whatever they are smoking in Onsala,” he added.

In the same group, astronomer Bruce Macintosh at Stanford University noted the “astonishing coincidence” that the first two trans-Neptunian objects discovered by ALMA would be found right next to bright stars. More likely, Macintosh guessed, is that the putative objects are actually “some residual artifact”—mirages produced in the data by quirks in ALMA’s complex calibration methods.

Vlemmings insists that he and his colleagues have already carefully checked these and several other scenarios, but to no avail. Whatever they are, the objects simply seemed to be too bright and pointlike to be explained away as far-off galaxies, and their proximity to bright stars, he says, actually helped the data calibration and reduced the likelihood of observational errors. “Still, we are certainly open to such options and have several times sent out queries to ALMA colleagues [asking] if they could conceive of how such point sources could be artificially created,” Vlemmings says. “None have yet said they think it could be done.” The trial of these claims in the court of public opinion has not come without its perks, Vlemmings adds. Although the sudden publicity was unwanted, “the most helpful feedback so far has been numerous offers to observe with other instruments.” With a little help from the rest of the astronomy community, evidence for—or against—the next Planet X may not be so far-off after all."

[Sunny-side-up]

Drip, drip from established observations:
Distant star with mega structures around it.
Large object just outside of our solar system.
Large object just inside our solar system.