The lost music scale

[mojo]

Amazing David Sereda...

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[mojo]

As he mentions at 4:45 True Phi is a natural harmonic scale. If there is a way to communicate through multi-dimensions this would be it imo.

[Bluegreen]

King David must have had one of those 10-string lyres
When he played the magic chord
The one that pleased the Lord

[kirolak]

Just as a PS, have you ever heard this wonderful guitarist, playing the Kertsopoulos high-tuned guitar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF9QCNF9T7U#t=12

[Songmuze]

Fascinating Stuff - Literally Enlightening!

[Sunny-side-up]

Yes, Amazing David Sereda and his knowledge!

Not forgetting the great E.Dollard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-wYuYog7b0

[Bill Ryan]

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But the first two tones in the suggested 'lost' scale (played at 6:46 in the original video) DO create an unpleasant distortion. Could someone explain further? (Not a pointed question... the video had led me to expect a revelation that was beautiful to hear; but for me, that never happened.)

I used to play the guitar, and know it quite well: it actually doesn't matter how it's tuned, at all. There could be any number of strings, each tuned in almost any way. Using the base tuning as a platform, one just creates harmonic chords in whatever practical ways work and are easiest for human fingers.

[norman]

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But the first two tones in the suggested 'lost' scale (played at 6:46 in the original video) DO create an unpleasant distortion. Could someone explain further?



You reproduction equipment might have added resonances that clashed, just thinking aloud here.

[Sunny-side-up]

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But the first two tones in the suggested 'lost' scale (played at 6:46 in the original video) DO create an unpleasant distortion. Could someone explain further?



You reproduction equipment might have added resonances that clashed, just thinking aloud here.

yeah Bill, just maybe, if your playing it back through Computer speakers it's going through Digital!
and that would not be the original harmonics at-all! it all gets squared up and nasty.

[kirolak]

Actually, I don't accept the idea of a "lost scale"; we can create a scale from any point we choose, surely? And with as many incidentals as we choose, if we dare to. And the point of 12-tone musical was to do away with scales (yes, very simplified, I know there's much more to it)

PS The old tuning used in the Renaissance was actually quite dissonant; so much of the real beauty of that dissonance is lost in the tempered scales of today which are usually used in playing renaissance music. I've always been conflicted by HIPP (Historically informed performance practice) but that's not really a discussion for this forum, I know.

[Sunny-side-up]

Actually, I don't accept the idea of a "lost scale"; we can create a scale from any point we choose, surely? And with as many incidentals as we choose, if we dare to. And the point of 12-tone musical was to do away with scales (yes, very simplified, I know there's much more to it)

PS The old tuning used in the Renaissance was actually quite dissonant; so much of the real beauty of that dissonance is lost in the tempered scales of today which are usually used in playing renaissance music. I've always been conflicted by HIPP (Historically informed performance practice) but that's not really a discussion for this forum, I know.

Hi kirolak it's not so-much a lost scale but an
Occult'd scale,
We have been conditioned away from it by them PTW.
We are kept un-harmonious with the MS music's :(
Un-Harmonious music that dose not heal or invigorate but incite/generate discord within us!

[mojo]

Hey Bill,
At 2:15 mark he mentions the 12 tones of the chromatic scale audibly distort but the ten tones of the lost scale do not. Perhaps meaning they are distorting or wobbly when playing each note distorts the other.

[Wide-Eyed]

Yes- Dollard discusses this in the 14:20m and the 27m mark, digital is not real-i.e. distorted. Wow- now what we can only get harmonics from live sources....? Bummer I've been trying some IGodMind.com biaural tones and frequencies through iphone and evaluating each of them more or less for effectiveness, not sure how to evaluate if effective activity. HMMM a new thread?

[Akasha]

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But the first two tones in the suggested 'lost' scale (played at 6:46 in the original video) DO create an unpleasant distortion. Could someone explain further?



You reproduction equipment might have added resonances that clashed, just thinking aloud here.

yeah Bill, just maybe, if your playing it back through Computer speakers it's going through Digital!
and that would not be the original harmonics at-all! it all gets squared up and nasty.

I just played it back through a pair of Sennheiser HD25 SP 's (not the greatest headphones on the planet but probably one of the best for under 100 quid).....

http://en-de.sennheiser.com/images/353/all/square/3613/square_louped_hd_25-sp-ii_01_sq_studio_sennheiser.png

.....and it still sounds wrong, particularly the relationship between the first and second note of the five note scale/chord he plays. The second note is relatively flat leading to the oscillating (distorted) sound when they are combined.

Anyone utilising the harmonics method to tune a guitar, will be all too aware that that kind of oscillation indicates that the strings aren't in tune with each other yet.

Now if David Serada is trying to sell us on the idea that stuff that's out of tune sounds nice (or for that matter a new video) then he's every right to do that, but in my opinion this scale he's rediscovered was lost for a reason - namely that it sounded 'wrong' to human ears (and still does).

[Snoweagle]

There appears to me to be duplicity in the context of purpose of this thread.

First the apparent discovery of a lost scale (something I consider as nonsense as well) engaging the natural curiosity of those with insight to the science of sound. The main thrust behind most comments here.

And secondly, the hidden philosophical meme of "seeking order out of chaos".

How many people could be persuaded that there "maybe", "could be" or "definetely hidden harmonics, tones and such like when in fact it is only the influence of persuasive engagement of a group and loading the group with assenters and persuaders,

Clearly, there is natural harmonic governing everything in the cosmos as that is the only way the maintain equilibium. There must therefore be a natural normal scale as well. Outside of this natural scale is the scale of music for "change" (that which is not harmonic with the scale, the in between screeches) which is infinitely variable. So the "lost" part of the scale could be condered infinte.