Paris Climate Change Hearings - world unites to battle climate change, a lot of hot air??

[Curiosity]

World Unites For Historic Climate Change Deal

What does this really mean?
No legal binding for any countries that signed on??

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/world-unites-historic-climate-change-deal

[sandy]

IMHO, it means >>>same old-same old<<<and we corporations/governments can continue on with profits before, the planet and people!!

[chancy]

Hello everyone:
I posted alot of this on another thread but it is definitely important to this threat on the biggest rip off in the history of our planet....
Here is a video that everyone should watch and then let the scientist Piers Corbyn explain the real reason there is global warming or climate change or cap and trade or greenhouse credits or whatever it's called on any given day.
It's too bad governments and alot of people are believing unproven data on what causes global warming/climate change.

Let's get to the TRUTH and not fiction.

Piers Corbyn on the Myth of Man-Made Global Warming
Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZLkN8F0Q14

chancy

[Curiosity]

Wow Just when you think you've heard it all
So countries unite to battle global warming but we have people that think solar panels suck up too much sunlight.

US town rejects solar panels

US town rejects solar panels amid fears they 'suck up all the energy from the sun'

http://themmacommunity.com/threads/us-town-rejects-solar-panels-because-they-suck-up-too-much-sun.10471/

Let me ad some ,ore thought to this.

Howie Tran Commented:
"Does anyone fact check stories that sound sensational anymore?
While it's true some of the locals comments seemed uninformed and ignorant this article is not being completely transparent; surprise, surprise, lol.

The article fails to mention is that the small town of Woodland (population 809), North Carolina, already has 3 large solar farms in their town, and this was a plan to approve a 4th large solar farm. Also, the article fails to mention, that retired science teacher's comments were motivated by what she observed, she noticed that in the 3 solar farms they had, the plants surrounding the area were dying, turning brown, wilting, and she wanted to know why. Also, they distrusted why the town council felt they needed another solar farm when they already had 3, already the town was profiting off the others and the town expressed concern over the unsightliness of adding more farms to the area.

The article here seemed to imply a backwards town rejecting solar power, which is intentionally misleading, because in actuality, it's a town that already has three solar farms questioning the need for yet another".

Now we have to keep in mind that the possible main point here is there are people that think like this. Also we have to consider the possibility that the retired scientist/teacher might be on to something. We need to question everything.

[Curiosity]

I tend to tip this direction
Does the Paris agreement open the door to geoengineering?

http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/12/14/does-the-paris-agreement-open-the-door-to-geoengineering/

[Cidersomerset]

I tend to tip this direction
Does the Paris agreement open the door to geoengineering?

http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/12/14/...eoengineering/



I think that is it they have been geo -engineering for decades and they have been
getting more and more exposure since the web has enabled chemtrail etc
to be raised on the alternate media , and I think they have wanted this agreement
for years ,so they can go public on the mainstream and announce the aerosol
programme as part of the overall global warming solution and quietly slip in, if
asked that they have been experimenting for decades. Hoping the public will
except that as has happened on so many agendas over the years.

The old phrase todays news papers are tomorrows fish and chip paper , has change
to tonights news headlines are tomorrows breakfast tv discussion and soon
forgotten, on the while in the bulk of the publics mind.

[Cidersomerset]

I saw this after Question time which is a BBC political debate show
late on a Thursday nights (which I like to shout at the idiot politicians
on the show ). After is another weekly political show and is where
I first became aware of Piers Corbyn , Jeremy Corbyn brother....


BBCTW: Piers Corbyn on religion of climate change (04Dec15)

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Published on 4 Dec 2015


Piers Corbyn, a meteorologist (and brother to Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn),
says the religion of climate change is a con, much of it being pushed by big money,
and politicians that are twisting science for their tax and payola agenda for their
mates in industry.


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An interesting , informative and entertaining presentation of weather predictions
and long term patterns.


This was recorded before his brother Jeremy became labour leader...

Piers Corbyn: The Reality of Long Range Weather and Climate Forecasting | EU2014

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Published on 29 Apr 2014


In his talk, Piers Corbyn described the failure of standard meteorology (SM) in outlook, theory,
and practice. He included: signals in real meteorology data unexplained by SM; real role of jet
stream, stratosphere, electro-jets, magnetosphere, solar wind, solar corona, and the Moon; the
total inability of SM to explain: sudden stratospheric warmings and its consequences, tropical
storm intensifications, angular momentum concentration in tornadoes; and the need for something
else such as electromagnetic plasma explanations; the theoretical basis of non-standard long range
weather forecasting on a real planet; a summary on his WeatherAction forecasting skill and examples;
and the future of forecasting and meteorology, climate 'science' and science in general.

Piers Corbyn began recording weather and climate patterns at the age of five, constructing his own
observation equipment. He obtained a first-class honors degree in physics at Imperial College London.
In 1969, he became the first president of the Imperial College Students' Union to be directly elected
by the student body. He later studied astrophysics in 1979 at Queen Mary College, London, and then
began examining the relationship between Earth's weather and climate and solar activity. Following
many years of weather prediction as an occupation, Piers formed WeatherAction in 1995, where he
sells web-accessible long-range monthly forecasts for Britain and Ireland, Europe, and the USA plus
special forecasts of 'Red Weather periods' and related increases in thunder/tornado and earthquake risk.
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[Althena]

Nothing will change, this is just another scam to appease the sheeple...

[Curiosity]

Another interesting article
http://yournewswire.com/climate-change-scientists-stuns-congress-with-irrefutable-facts/

[KiwiElf]

Well a carbon tax isn't going to change a darned thing except "fine" countries who supposedly have "too much carbon". Such countries (NZ included) can then buy "credits" off countries that are meeting or exceeding their emission targets. (Supposedly, our [NZ's] problem is, we have too many cows farting!). No pun intended, but what a complete load of BULLS**T! :ROFL:

[Curiosity]

Interesting info here

http://www.dailycamera.com/columnists/ci_29269728/bob-greenlee-geoengineering-could-offer-solutions-climate-change

[Curious77]

Agree -- we have to question everything ... :)

Maybe the solar panels are sucking so hard that they're creating those intense solar flares? :)

Then again, maybe it's the Koch Bros. trying to suck up solar panels?

I don't think we have enough solar panel "farms" around us to even begin to judge what they might be doing to nearby farms. How about you?

But it's vegetation which we need to survive and not animal-eating -- which, of course, not only contributes tremendously to Global Warming -- but to the amount of poor health the American public is suffering, including cancers.

[Curious77]

Global Warming model was introduced to the public in 1957 -- and it's been clear since then that what was immediately needed was that we STOP burning fossil fuels.

They're all shills for the oil industry and coal, etc. Bought and paid for.



Well a carbon tax isn't going to change a darned thing except "fine" countries who supposedly have "too much carbon". Such countries (NZ included) can then buy "credits" off countries that are meeting or exceeding their emission targets. (Supposedly, our [NZ's] problem is, we have too many cows farting!). No pun intended, but what a complete load of BULLS**T! :ROFL:

[Curious77]

Curiosity --

Well, "geo-engineering" is the magic word behind Chemtrails --

HOWEVER, "cloud seeding" has proven effective in creating rain.
While California seems to be flooded with Chemtrails, I wonder if they have been doing cloud seeing?
Has there been recent rain in California -- enough to make a difference?
I understand huge numbers of trees are expected to be lost due to the drought.

a massive volcanic eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines briefly reversed most of the global warming that occurred since the start of the Industrial Revolution.

Presume that means that it was un-reversed?

A good natural solution -- however there is a big difference between natural and synthetic.
In the case of diabetes, as I recall .... Your body will increase amount of insulin needed, but only up to a certain point.
Evidently your body feels there would be harm in any further increase in insulin.

From what I've seen of those who think they can manage nature and re-arrange it, I don't find any of this promising . . .
especially anything that Bill Gates is connected with.




Perhaps the climate summit could have produced more creative solutions had emphasis been placed on seeking scientific geoengineering solutions. Twenty-five years ago, a massive volcanic eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines briefly reversed most of the global warming that occurred since the start of the Industrial Revolution. According to a recent Bloomberg BusinessNews article, David Keith, a self-described "oddball environmentalist" and professor of applied physics at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, is a champion of employing technology to help solve the consequences of global climate change. He and fellow scientists estimate that a few droplets of sulfuric acid injected into the atmosphere by a fleet of modified business jets could combine with natural water vapor and produce sulphate particles that would reflect sunlight away from the earth.



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Presto! This low-cost solar management technique would, according to proponents, gradually reverse the adverse effects of a warming planet just as Mount Penatubo did.

Of course any man-made manipulation of our planetary climate has its risks. Like ripping a larger hole in the ozone layer, among other dangers, or substituting one new pollutant to counteract another. Even Keith admits his proposal is a "brutally ugly technical fix." But don't be too critical of geoengineering advocates. Several major environmental groups are providing their "guarded support" to further research on geoengineering efforts, including the Environmental Defence Fund along with the Natural Resources Defence Council.
Even an Arctic Methane Emergency Group is supporting efforts to "refreeze the Arctic" using geoengineering techniques and a major contribution from Bill Gates.

[Yetti]

Chancy ! People need to understand a FACT: the planet was subject to several global climate changes thru history ( read millions of years)and without US The last ice age ends because a normal cyclic climate change, NOT because was a overpopulation of cabbages and the dinosaurs where farting a lot ! . The whole climate change issue is a fabricate monster based in computer models projecting a GUESS of the scientist who where PAID by a big corporation, specting to make enormous profits on anything related to global warming ! FOLLOW TE MONEY ! THAT'S IT. It is my opinion.

[Curious77]

Agree --

While the program has been going on for last 25 years, we have no sense of what the disagreements may be among countries who don't want it.
At one time I had read that Oregon was refusing Chemtrails, but then later read that it was happening over Oregon . . . can only presume that they were "convinced" some how.





I tend to tip this direction
Does the Paris agreement open the door to geoengineering?

http://news.berkeley.edu/2015/12/14/...eoengineering/



I think that is it they have been geo -engineering for decades and they have been
getting more and more exposure since the web has enabled chemtrail etc
to be raised on the alternate media , and I think they have wanted this agreement
for years ,so they can go public on the mainstream and announce the aerosol
programme as part of the overall global warming solution and quietly slip in, if
asked that they have been experimenting for decades. Hoping the public will
except that as has happened on so many agendas over the years.

The old phrase todays news papers are tomorrows fish and chip paper , has change
to tonights news headlines are tomorrows breakfast tv discussion and soon
forgotten, on the while in the bulk of the publics mind.

[Curious77]

Cider --

Admitedly, I didn't get further than the Corbyn's reliance on "climate change" label to suggest that nothing unusual is happening.

"Climate change" is a bit of GOP propaganda contributed by Frank Luntz, GOP propagandist, who advised W Bush to substitute it for Global Warming. It attempts to suggest that something natural is happening.

It's not -- we have at the least a 25 degree upward increase in our temperatures in New Jersey -- a threat of a 9 foot increase in ocean levels. And, this is not -- as was once predicted -- sometime in the far distant future -- nor even very much in the future -- it's a threat right now.

ExxonMobil is under threat of investigation and hopefully prosecution for lying to the public -- at the cost of $50 billion dollars -- over the last 50+ years.

The nation's natural resources should never have been turned over to private families/interests --
and this all happened at the time our schizophrenic Constitution established not a basis for "equality of all" but a patriarchy.
At the same time our government for the elite doled out land grants to these elite white males --
and the vote was limited to those males with property.
They were given great influence over the wealth of the nation and proceeded to redistribute it into their own pockets.

And they're still doing it --

We need to nationalize all natural resources --

We need to reign in all exploitation of nature by the few for their personal profit.

[Curiosity]

Global warming, climate change,--- mane made or not. We can't deny the intentional manipulation of the atmosphere by man, and the unintentional by mans pollution.

Likewise we can't deny what's in front of us. That is, the extremes in weather. Look at Texas.

A phenomena that seems to be happening everywhere is temperatures raising at night and dropping in the day.

My own experience; snowing in the day turns to rain at night. 2 feet of snow on the ground, clear skies, temps below freezing while the sun is up but at midnight temps where closer to 40 degrees.

New York last night hit 67 degrees, again hotter than the day time temp.

This is odd that the same thing is happening on opposite coasts in the U.S. but take a look at this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/12/30/freak-storm-has-pushed-north-pole-to-freezing-point-50-degrees-above-normal/

http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/12/iceland-storm-melt-north-pole-climate-change/422166/

Something serious is going on on this planet.

One problem with these climate hearings is they omit any effects of geoengineering in their molding.

Then we have this coming out finally.
They call it accidental geoengineering.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/12/16/agu15-accidental-geoengineering-airline-traffic-may-help-create-an-icy-haze-thats-brightening-u-s-skies/

http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/persistent-contrails-become-new-thought-blocker/

[Curiosity]

Curios77
We did get a lot of rain too much. But the problem is, rain wont solve the drought problem. Rain within days goes back out to sea on the western side. We need snow pack and new reservoirs systems.
The other problem is aquifers. This water source is being depleted and this water comes from ancient sources other than ground sources.

We also got snow. Several feet in the Sierras and Cascades, even here in the pacific coast mountains. However this wont put a dent in the drought. We need dozens of feet of wet snow several seasons in a row to make any difference.

You mentioned cloud seeding. I suspect they have been. The problem is the snow is dry. Powder snow is common but not with high temps. It should be heavy wet snow, This is odd. We got 2 feet of snow in relatively short periods of time and the temps never got below freezing.. The odd thing about the snow is it's dry powder. Powder snow doesn't form into snow balls or you can't make snow men because it doesn't stick together.
When it warms up and starts to melt it sticks together and you can make snow balls etc.
This is not the case with the snow here. It doesn't stick to itself even after it starts to melt and even after a little rain has fallen.
You grab the icy layer on top and squeeze it it falls apart instead of forming a snow ball.
I find this very strange.

I suspect they are cloud seeding but to keep the temps up to make it rain instead of snow.

[Curiosity]

Questions asked at the climate summit hearing

"How much work have any of you done on assessing the effect of these continental scale aerosol plumes which didn’t exist 50 years ago and which now exist in 8 places in the world? The IPCC in the Ar-4 said that aerosols “May” effect the hydrologic cycle and the global circulation systems more than the greenhouse gases. I think they’re right. In fact, I know they’re right. How has that been incorporated into any of the work you’ve done? Thank You.” ( Keith.Potts@bigpond.com )

Source
scientist-el-nino-created-and-sustained-by-aerosols/
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2016/01/03/scientist-el-nino-created-and-sustained-by-aerosols/

Note: Although Keith Potts fails to include the covert global aerosol dump operation, his paper describes how carbonaceous aerosol plumes are a potent source of climate engineering when strategically deployed into the atmosphere by jet tankers or other vehicles. Pott’s thesis also supports Dr. J. Marvin Herndon’s evidence that coal ash is a significant additive in the covert deployment of carbonaceous, climate engineering aerosols.

Source

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2015/07/20/could-chemtrails-actually-be-coal-ash-sprayed-from-planes/