The true Lucifer is Sophia

[betoobig]

I like to share this article in which states this:


If humans have the skill and intelligence to develop psychotronics for assault upon other humans, literally to wage war,
Why is there no equivalent development of psychotronic weapons and faculties to be used in fighting back?

Where is the countermagic to use against the "black magic" of psychotronic mind control and Flash Gordon ray-guns?

Hollywood celebrates super-powers of super-heroes with paranormal capacities, and the Harry Potter books portrayed all kinds of wizardry - totally fictional! How can it be that using magic and paranormal skills in the defense of life is fictional, but using mind control techniques to control, harm, and kill is factual?

"Super-powers" = siddhis, occult or paranormal powers attributed to yogis and accomplished masters of various Asian techniques. Taoist masters are also said to possess such powers, but who ever heard of them being used to fight against intra-species predators?
What if human animals in this moment of time could discover and put into action a range of "super-powers" or paranormal skills capable of defeating and destroying psychopaths, intra-species predators, and the enemies of life?

How would such "countermagic" - call it Gaian psychotronics - come to be defined, developed, and implemented? This is a question to live with courageously and contemplate daily as the omen of Venus Lucifer, the Morning Star, rises higher and hither in the east.

As I conclude the material on Sophia/Lucifer, I ask you to hold this distinction vividly in mind:
Turning around the current situation on the planet, so that events align in syntropic feedback with Sophia's Correction, does not depend on a magical factor, but may include one. MAY...
Correction is diorthotic: consisting of two solutions, two norms.
one is the mundane solution
the other is the magical solution
Neither of these two solutions alone can bring Correction to optimal expression in the social order. It takes both together.



I belive is right on spot in this momentum. All the article in the link.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/mistic/mistic_38.htm

What image will you choose for Sophia?? Mine is a soft pink warm ray of light
Much love

[Clear Light]

Black Magic vs White Magic, Good Guys vs Bad Guys, Defeating Psychopaths and Enemies etc

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A Dualistic Vision eh ?

AFAIK Yogic "super powers" have a price tag, which is : Universal Compassion and "Do No Harm"

Because

Although we may all be born in innocence

Who can claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

Thus : The Yogi / Yogini does not see "Other" for All are reflections of Him / Her

Despite

Outwardly Appearances !

[IMHO Only]

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[Finefeather]

Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.

[RunningDeer]

Note the author of the article and the date. Thread from January, 2015 - John Lash's Kalika war party (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=918851&viewfull=1#post918851)

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I'm on vacation...stepping out. :wave:

[Clear Light]

Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.

Oh, your choice of words seems to indicate some sort of Anthropomorphic belief system no ?

[6pounder]

ill tell you what will be the problem... it will be illegal to oppose the government in its deeds... you will be considered a criminal basicaly for interfering with governments plans.

[Finefeather]

Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.

Oh, your choice of words seems to indicate some sort of Anthropomorphic belief system no ?
No... I am not close to the realms of non humans... I was referring to humans like you and me. :)

[Flash]

Yes, we quite litterally can't imagine how soooo beautiful humans can become. With purity of intent and creative powers that cannot even be foreseen for me/us, the regular human beings. This is however our destiny if we intent to live it fully. Up to us to decide to thread that path and decide to unroot hate or envy from our hearts.

In fact, so beautiful that when in contact with those slowly reaching that state of fullness, most of us won't even be able to notice the extraordinary human beings beside us, and take in the energy and love that these human beings are giving.






Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.

Oh, your choice of words seems to indicate some sort of Anthropomorphic belief system no ?
No... I am not close to the realms of non humans... I was referring to humans like you and me. :)

[dianna]

Note the author of the article and the date. Thread from January, 2015 - John Lash's Kalika war party (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=918851&viewfull=1#post918851)

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I'm on vacation...stepping out. :wave:

If one has ever studied the writings of John Lash, one would know there is a lot of "baby" in his "bathwater" ... I have followed his demonization on this forum ... so understand why one would recoil based on "convention" and "testimony" of a discarded ex girlfriend ... but let us not forget that the Marquis de Sade spent most of his life in prison for being labelled a "black hearted" blight on the society of his time ... whether deserved or not (debatable) it does not take away from the genius of the writing and philosophy

[Innocent Warrior]

Who can claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

I can and every human can. Negatively geared energy is generated from our physical mind, never the heart, the human heart is utterly incorruptible. The heart reflects negative thoughts or emotions with pain and the health of the heart can be effected or the heart can even killed by negativity but never does it contain it. People confuse the experience of their hearts burning with rage or their hearts glowing with love (as a perfect reflection of the state or our being in relation to our HS), with containing the rage or containing the love. This is an error in thinking, at great cost to humanity.

If the human heart is corruptible then how do we explain its ability to instantly and perfectly reflect the state of our mind, every time, without fail?

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[Finefeather]

This post is a general response to Rachel's statements and not a criticism.


Who can claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?
I can and every human can.
I am afraid to tell you that this is actually wrong. Most humans who think they are saints have only their ego's to thank… or maybe to blame… :)



Negatively geared energy is generated from our physical mind, never the heart, the human heart is utterly incorruptible. The heart reflects negative thoughts or emotions with pain and the health of the heart can be effected or the heart can even killed by negativity but never does it contain it. People confuse the experience of their hearts burning with rage or their hearts glowing with love (as a perfect reflection of the state or our being in relation to our HS), with containing the rage or containing the love. This is an error in thinking, at great cost to humanity.

The heart is a pump and the seat of vital energy coming from the Sutratma link from the causal envelope which keeps the body alive via the blood, together with pranic energy from the spleen... so the heart is the centre of physical existence.

Humans can exist without a physical heart as long as something pumps the blood around the body.

What we actually mean when we talk of 'heart' is the state of consciousness of a person.

In the physical body it is the thymus gland which is in direct contact with the so called 'heart' chakra in the etheric envelope… a name given simply because of it's proximity to the heart.

The 'heart' chakra is affected by thought… thinking… just as the solar plexus chakra is affected by feelings… none of these are in the physical body… they demonstrate their condition by physically affecting the areas of our body which they control… and, depending on their state of activation, can lead to various diseases.

So if we think wrong thoughts… like hate and envy... it alters the energies and thus 'heart and soul' of the person.

Some sayings to understand this are… “Man becomes what he thinks.”... “As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.” And thoughts are things... and energy follows thought… and “everything depends on our thoughts.” and “All consciousness expressions(thoughts) have effects”.

The effects of wrong thinking which 'corrupts' the 'heart' chakra can lead to diseases of the physical heart… which we clearly see at this stage of evolution is prolific… we also see the same effect of 'corruption' in the solar plexus chakra (feelings) which is evident in people with diseases such as diabetes or pancreatic cancer etc.



If the human heart is corruptible then how do we explain its ability to instantly and perfectly reflect the state of our mind, every time, without fail?
This statement is self explanatory… and a little confusing…

If the state of mind is 'bad' then the 'heart' is 'bad'… and visa versa… but… your choice of the word 'corruptible' is a actually incorrect and not in accordance with reality because we don't corrupt our chakras… they are either more or less activated.

A better question to ask yourself is...” why do some people think differently to others” and the answer is… because people are at different levels of consciousness growth… which means they think differently… which means they would not demonstrate the same 'from the heart' thinking'.

Thinking completely correctly is only achieved once causal consciousness is attained and the secret lies in the fact that the causal envelope is directly linked to the 'heart' chakra… and if you have achieved causal consciousness you would understand fully the meaning of unconditional love in it's most powerful state… something that NO human being has achieved… because once this is achieved you are no longer a human being…

So it would be quite acceptable to say that most have hate and or envy in their 'heart' because this is how we subjectively measure the state of a person's consciousness growth... for example... if you align yourself with one person and fail to see the beauty equally in all people... and fail to give them the same unity and love... no matter what they have done... you do not yet demonstrate true 'heart' chakra activation.

Take care
Ray

[Innocent Warrior]

I am afraid to tell you that this is actually wrong. Most humans who think they are saints have only their ego's to thank… or maybe to blame… :)

Nothing to be afraid of, Ray, I never used the word saints and don't equate what I wrote of myself/humans with being saints. :)

[Finefeather]

I am afraid to tell you that this is actually wrong. Most humans who think they are saints have only their ego's to thank… or maybe to blame… :)

Nothing to be afraid of, Ray, I never used the word saints and don't equate what I wrote of myself/humans with being saints. :)
Yes I can see clearly you did not use the word 'saints' dear.

I chose it because it is a well known term used to describe someone at the height of emotional attractiveness and a purer character and 'heart'... in esoterics it is known that everyone at some point in time will live one saintly life which is a mixture of tolerance, patience, and compassion for all Beings.

This is however still far away from causal thinking... but still a beautiful stage to behold in life.

With love
Ray

[Karpos]

"In esoteric ... one saintly life"? That's interesting.

Ray, What type of esoterics is that you reference?

-Aaron

[CD7]

Interesting thread.....one not expected from the title...Great post about the heart fine feather 😊 Even better question as to why people think in certain ways IS Why are we in an environment that keeps us from cultivating Our very best from the heart and all its parts?

Counter Measure.....where's the blasted counter measure?...with All that's going on I'd say it's opposite would have Quite a return...

[Finefeather]

"In esoteric ... one saintly life"? That's interesting.

Ray, What type of esoterics is that you reference?

-Aaron
Hi Karpos
If you search for esoterics on the net you can come across all types of writings which claim to be esoteric... but they are far from original esoterics.

True esoterics is writings which have come direct from our planetary brothers who have completed their human evolution... and there are many currently incarnated in bodies here.

Pythagoras was one such person... and of course we should not forget Jesus and Buddha... but unfortunately most of what these two came to demonstrate has been largely turned into fiction by the dark forces.

Pythagoras was the first person to introduce the term 'monad' which describes exactly what we are... but again this word has been altered by some who came after him, simply because they could not understand it.

Today the only true and simplest and unaltered esoteric writings comes from Hylozoics and can be found here if you want to familiarize yourself with it or even read up on it.
I would warn you that although it is a public site, not many seem to be able yet to get their heads around it.
http://www.laurency.com/index.html

Hope this helps
Take care
Ray

[Finefeather]

Even better question as to why people think in certain ways IS Why are we in an environment that keeps us from cultivating Our very best from the heart and all its parts?
Hi CD7
I think the reason is simply because most people are reading and have been sucked into the wrong writings... especially those which have been translated from the Indian philosophies.
The true Indian esoteric philosophies are far more advanced than most think... but... the translations for western use is almost entirely fiction because the translators were not advanced enough to understand the writings... much like the gnostic writings like the Nag Hammadi.

Take care
Ray

[Clear Light]

"In esoteric ... one saintly life"? That's interesting.

Ray, What type of esoterics is that you reference?

-Aaron

Hi Karpos
If you search for esoterics on the net you can come across all types of writings which claim to be esoteric... but they are far from original esoterics.

[...]

Today the only true and simplest and unaltered esoteric writings comes from Hylozoics and can be found here if you want to familiarize yourself with it or even read up on it.

[...]

http://www.laurency.com/index.html

Hope this helps
Take care
Ray

A quote from http://www.laurency.com/index.html :


As also Indian raja yogis maintain, anyone who is willing to undergo the requisite training can develop abilities, now dormant in man, which will one day be powers possessed by everybody, that is, the possibility of acquiring objective consciousness in ever higher molecular kinds, or states of aggregation, at present invisible

Hi Finefeather / Ray,

Given how each Spiritual Tradition has its own usage of particular words and their application, not to mention the nuances in meaning ... is it fair to say (equate) Hylozoic objective consciousness with Non-Dual consciousness ?

Thanks,
Simon.

[Innocent Warrior]

Yes I can see clearly you did not use the word 'saints' dear.

I chose it because it is a well known term used to describe someone at the height of emotional attractiveness and a purer character and 'heart'... in esoterics it is known that everyone at some point in time will live one saintly life which is a mixture of tolerance, patience, and compassion for all Beings.

I’m not equating an incorruptible heart with being at the height of emotional attractiveness and pure character.

You’ve got me thinking about what I wrote and I see an error. I wrote;


People confuse the experience of their hearts burning with rage or their hearts glowing with love (as a perfect reflection of the state or our being in relation to our HS), with containing the rage or containing the love.

This isn’t true, because our entire being contains love. Not the best way to offer my point, so I’ll try putting it another way.

If, for example, I’m in a state of fear, I know I’m feeling an emotion, which is a reflection of the state of my mind, that I can feel in my body. So even though I can feel the fear in my heart, I know it is not from my heart. The heart is the heart, it is what it is, something of the mind cannot be of the heart, or in the heart, only felt in the heart.

However, the heart can be silenced, but even then it’s not actually silent, we’re just not listening to it, so even in that way it’s incorruptible (I didn’t use the word corruptible in relation to the heart, I used incorruptible).

So I’m pretty much saying what you’re saying, except you wrote it better, and I disagree with the heart being changed/affected by thoughts. I’m making the distinction between feeling fear based emotions in our heart and our heart containing fear based emotions.

Yes, it’s perfectly acceptable to say most of us have envy and hate in our heart, but I do not believe that to be true. However, free will affords us our choice of how we experience ourselves, if you want to see the heart as having hate and envy in it, that’s your choice. I made the distinction because I believe it’s important people are aware of the choice to know they can always rely on their heart for the truth.

[Finefeather]

Given how each Spiritual Tradition has its own usage of particular words and their application, not to mention the nuances in meaning ... is it fair to say (equate) Hylozoic objective consciousness with Non-Dual consciousness ?

Hi dear Simon
I would not try to equate Hylozoics with other writings because this could end up confusing your logic... but once you begin to understand it it becomes easy to see how many other spiritual writings have been fictionalized.

The last thing I want to do is sound like I am dogmatic and thus do not want to see other writings for what they are worth. I would rather say that initially the student should see Hylozoics as another hypothesis... I am not here to recruit anyone :)

But lets just take duality as you mentioned...

Hylozoics does not consider duality in the same way as most others... like good and evil... right and wrong... etc... all these states exist in the one life and each needs to be used and seen for what they can and do contribute to our overall consciousness growth.

Hylozoics considers duality as the two ends of cosmic life... the one side is 'Spirit' and the other is 'matter'... in others words everything that exists will experience 'spirit' which is actually energy and 'matter' which is actually form in the physical world... everything in between is just various stages or amounts of these two basic cosmic building blocks... they of course result in consciousness.


The identification of spirit and matter also appears in the symbolic saying: spirit is the highest kind of matter and matter is the lowest kind of spirit. This abolishes duality and expresses the unity of spirit and matter, a unity that only the third self can begin to understand.

Take care
Ray

[Guish]

Even better question as to why people think in certain ways IS Why are we in an environment that keeps us from cultivating Our very best from the heart and all its parts?
Hi CD7
I think the reason is simply because most people are reading and have been sucked into the wrong writings... especially those which have been translated from the Indian philosophies.
The true Indian esoteric philosophies are far more advanced than most think... but... the translations for western use is almost entirely fiction because the translators were not advanced enough to understand the writings... much like the gnostic writings like the Nag Hammadi.

Take care
Ray

One's level of awareness will determine one's understanding. I still don't entirely understand everything Yogananda wrote so far but I do understand a lot of his experiences because I have experienced similar things as well. Buddha's noble truths will also become more and more clear with the expansion of consciousness. A layman won't understand everything he said. It takes years of renunciation, selfless practice and self discipline to tame the mind and ego.

[Finefeather]

Yes I can see clearly you did not use the word 'saints' dear.

I chose it because it is a well known term used to describe someone at the height of emotional attractiveness and a purer character and 'heart'... in esoterics it is known that everyone at some point in time will live one saintly life which is a mixture of tolerance, patience, and compassion for all Beings.

I’m not equating an incorruptible heart with being at the height of emotional attractiveness and pure character.

You’ve got me thinking about what I wrote and I see an error. I wrote;


People confuse the experience of their hearts burning with rage or their hearts glowing with love (as a perfect reflection of the state or our being in relation to our HS), with containing the rage or containing the love.

This isn’t true, because our entire being contains love. Not the best way to offer my point, so I’ll try putting it another way.

If, for example, I’m in a state of fear, I know I’m feeling an emotion, which is a reflection of the state of my mind, that I can feel in my body. So even though I can feel the fear in my heart, I know it is not from my heart. The heart is the heart, it is what it is, something of the mind cannot be of the heart, or in the heart, only felt in the heart.

However, the heart can be silenced, but even then it’s not actually silent, we’re just not listening to it, so even in that way it’s incorruptible (I didn’t use the word corruptible in relation to the heart, I used incorruptible).

So I’m pretty much saying what you’re saying, except you wrote it better, and I disagree with the heart being changed/affected by thoughts. I’m making the distinction between feeling fear based emotions in our heart and our heart containing fear based emotions.

Yes, it’s perfectly acceptable to say most of us have envy and hate in our heart, but I do not believe that to be true. However, free will affords us our choice of how we experience ourselves, if you want to see the heart as having hate and envy in it, that’s your choice. I made the distinction because I believe it’s important people are aware of the choice to know they can always rely on their heart for the truth.
To be able to understand this 'heart' thing we need to understand what we are...

For example you say that "our entire being contains love"... this is far from real... we are a monad, a single individual primordial atom in the Cosmos which has grown in consciousness from a state of potential to the state in which each individual is at, at any given moment... every life we live we grow more and more conscious and thus we become more compassionate etc, and more active through the 'heart' chakra... which is a consciousness portal for a specific level of thought.

We are all different because of our own efforts... we do not have 'love' in us from the beginning of our existence...

Every human has had to evolve through lower kingdoms... from the mineral kingdom, to the plant kingdom, to the animal kingdom, and now in the human... each step along the way has allowed us to gain greater consciousness... and it is consciousness which determines the state of the 'heart'... because the 'heart' of a man is demonstrated by the way he thinks.

Thought is the only thing which takes place in the life of a human... the 'heart' is not a separate thing... nothing can be done by a human without thinking because thought is a consciousness expression and all we know is what our consciousness allows us to know... and our consciousness is what we, with our own efforts have grown to what it is.

The very reason we incarnate and have done this thousands of times is simply to grow our consciousness and in doing this we begin to think better.

The 'heart' does not have a mind of it's own... the Self is the real mind... and the Self is only as intelligent and evolved as it has itself acquired... there is no higher mind, all knowing and loving... we are as developed as we demonstrate right now... with a few exceptions... no one is going to 'die' and suddenly become an enlightened Beings.

We are on the way... our very goal is consciousness growth.

Take care
Ray

[Clear Light]

The identification of spirit and matter also appears in the symbolic saying: spirit is the highest kind of matter and matter is the lowest kind of spirit. This abolishes duality and expresses the unity of spirit and matter, a unity that only the third self can begin to understand.



Ah, now the above quote perfectly illustrates the point in that different traditions have their own words and terms ... because as far as I am concerned, meditative practice has dissolved the conception of a so-called Self, or if you like, dissolved the rigidly held dualistic Belief between Self and Other !

So I cannot possibly entertain the idea of a "third" self LOL ... (no disrespect intended) :bigsmile:

[CD7]

I had a very long reply to you Guish....and it just disappeared after I hit send!!! It was heartfelt for me will not try to recreate it.....must be the CME ..lol...2nd time on Avalon today with the tech issues.......think I'll just go do dishes.....





Edit from Bill: very sorry that happened. If one is crafting a LONG reply, it can disappear if you don't have your 'Remember me?" box checked (under login, top right of screen). That's because without that, you'll always get logged out after a certain time.

[Guish]

I had a very long reply to you Guish....and it just disappeared after I hit send!!! It was heartfelt for me will not try to recreate it.....must be the CME ..lol...2nd time on Avalon today with the tech issues.......think I'll just go do dishes.....


Send me a PM when you feel like it. I thought my response was like an outsider's one. Spirituality can't be discussed with rational thinking.

[Clear Light]

I had a very long reply to you Guish....and it just disappeared after I hit send!!! It was heartfelt for me will not try to recreate it.....must be the CME ..lol...2nd time on Avalon today with the tech issues.......think I'll just go do dishes.....


Send me a PM when you feel like it. I thought my response was like an outsider's one. Spirituality can't be discussed with rational thinking.

oh, yes in a public forum it's pretty much impossible unless those involved have a similar context and vocabulary for it ...


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[betoobig]

Thanks all for your take, i talked about Gaia/ Sophia/Lucifer and you are in the heart chackra.... Just great, this is Avalon.
She resides in our hearts and feels and sees/contemplate through us.
I do feel mother earth and is just great right in the heart chackra.
I also wanted this thread to be a celebration of Gaia, and i'l love to see what image resonate with you of Gaia?
Love you all...

[DeDukshyn]

This post is a general response to Rachel's statements and not a criticism.


Who can claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?
I can and every human can.
I am afraid to tell you that this is actually wrong. Most humans who think they are saints have only their ego's to thank… or maybe to blame… :)



Ray, I never saw you as such a pessimist, a quitter? ;)


I'm 100% with Rachel on this one. Not because I read it somewhere, or have delusions of sainthood, but because of personal attempts I have made to change myself. People can change, the mind can be changed.

We have this false belief as a collective, and it is a powerful one, because it is reinforced daily, and even hourly, that we cannot be what we want to be.

This is bull****, plain and simple.

Who can say they have spent month and months (approaching a year) spending every moment bringing any and all negative thoughts, neutralizing and letting them go? Does anyone have a clue how much work this is? I do, and I also know the results that is brought over a longer term.

Many people claim they "think positive" then they curse because it doesn't work for them. I'll guarantee that for every one "positive" thought that person had they had at least a dozen negative ones that completely offset it. It HAS to be 100% or nothing. It only works on 100% not 1% not even 50%. So a person adding 10% of positive thoughts to 100 negative thoughts will never see any results. Part of this problem is that people disguise their negative thoughts as "practicality" so it doesn't appear negative to them, and thus justifies its existence. 'James is a dickhead to me, and that justifies the negative feelings I allow to be created within me, whenever I think of him'. The reason I have negative thoughts is projected onto things outside of myself, and then I feel "separated" from them, thus it is not my problem, therefore it is not a negative reaction of mine - the trigger was 'out there', so the negativity is a "natural" reaction; or maybe I stock up and horde material things, but this is "practical planning" and not fear of scarcity or a fear of not "looking good" as the Jones's, or whatever the excuse we tend to use - there's always a million reasons, a million excuses to justify the deep rooted fears that justify this type of negative thinking and everyone does it. Excuses disguised as "reasons" to justify our personal behaviours, including those of the mind, are so easy to find, and at their root is always a rudimentary fear.

It is not until one digs into and breaks down all this nonsense that they are able to come to the realization that there is nothing outside of myself that has control over my emotions / feelings. Well there might appear be, but those are results of programs, and you begin to realize that as well. It is these programs that cause the fallacy of man - it allows us to be so easily controlled and herded like sheep. These are all fear based programs -- all negative, all of them -- this is the key right here. it is these programs that needed to be identified and brought to light, where when looked at in detail, the programmed fear that drives these programs dissolves.

When one embarks on this journey to remove their fear programming, and one does this consistently, minute to minute, hour to hour, day to day (I was a production worker at the time, had 8 - 10 hours a day to constantly analyze my thoughts, redirect my thinking, isolate and identify fear programming, give my self affirmations to help correct such programming, etc), something interesting starts happen after some time (and it does take some time). Your subconscious gets reprogrammed, the fear and negativity is bled out of it. It becomes more "empty" and ones reactive emotional responses, the ones that are solely driven by the rudimentary fear programs, change dramatically. Eventually, the hate stops, the judgement stops, the emotional reactions stop.

Why? Because they were being driven by fear based programs, and the activity I describe, over time, purges those from your subconscious; and one then realizes that all those "reactions" are nothing but fear programs that have crept into the mind, where they should never have been in the first place. Fear's place is in the body, where it can elevate sensory input, energy expenditure, strength, stamina and alertness, to save the body from harm when needed. It was never intended to reside in the subconscious. Here it serves it's masters, namely our "elite", and their control structures (gov't, religion, media, etc.) It does not serve the person, him/her self at all.

I was able to reach the point where I was very non-reactive emotionally. No hate, no judgements, and no fear of the mind. This is the state the spiritual "masters" strive for, but is also the state of any extreme high performance human (think of an extreme athlete being "in the zone" - similar experience). To live entirely in this state is what was meant to be. The "Fall of Man" (in my interpretation of the metaphor) was the process where these fear programs began to creep into our subconscious mind and resulted in a fearful, easily controlled "animal" that would serve their masters (slaves of the "gods").

Our entire plight (unknown to most) is to break free of these chains, and restore "Man" to the state before the "Fall" occurred, the state that allowed ancient Golden ages to flourish on Earth long, long ago.

One might think this creates an emotionless "robot" like human, but nothing can be further from the truth. We are currently in the "robot" like state now, having our "strings" pulled in any which way by anyone, and easily controllable. Just because one has purged their subconscious of emotional reactions does not mean they do not have emotions. It means their emotions are no longer being hijacked by egoic fear programs and made to (almost violently) overreact to things that are of no harm to us (again, fear is useless in the mind, and causes vast emotional overreactions to almost any situation).

Once one's emotions become freed from this control, then they begin to work as intended, and they do NOT betray, as they do when controlled by fear. They act more as a subtle communication tool. One's more subtle sense operate on your emotions, but not while they are hijacked with fear programs.

I had to stop because I was afraid of spontaneously ascending ... <-- ok that was a complete joke. :)

I did manage to reach a point where I had (for all intents and purposes) no judgements, no fears, and no more negative reactions. So could I have gone further in this attempt and purged all negativity? Yes absolutely, from where I started to where I went there was 900% improvement in the way I reacted to the world, and in turn it completely changed the way I saw the world. My new and proper "emotions" never let me down and my intuition increased vastly and became far more accurate - the proper way to develop these natural traits is to first purge the subconscious of its fear based programming - only then can good and consistent results be noted.

These are my first hand experiences.

I have heard this process being termed as the "opening of the etheric antennae", which is a good metaphor. Everyone has them, and they will not extend on any negative emotions from the mind; they will only extend when negativity (fear and all it's "sub emotions") are absent from the mind. Then they begin to open slowly, very slowly, and at the fist instance of negativity, they snap back down. When fully extended they spread out like angel wings. Perhaps this is how "Angels" are made. ;)

Those who believe in the "impossible" are the only ones who have a chance of making the impossible, real.

BTW I only really just touched on the methods I used, for explanation purposes (there would be a fair bit to explain as to what I did and the processes I went through - all my own, I had little external guidance), and I will say I am no longer in the state or place I was to get the understanding of this I received. I have been, shall I say "horridly attacked" (those you love most (even without them knowing it) may well be in have exact opposite interest of this progress, as I found out) in a sense until I was basically dragged back down and away from the state I had reached. I soon am making some changes in my life though that I hope will allow me to reach this state again, and continue this personal quest. BTW did I mention the state of bliss that goes with purging the subconscious of it's fear programs? Quite the state to experience life in; not entirely unlike an all natural MDMA high :)

Sorry for the long read :)

Mike

[Innocent Warrior]

Thanks all for your take, i talked about Gaia/ Sophia/Lucifer and you are in the heart chackra.... Just great, this is Avalon.
She resides in our hearts and feels and sees/contemplate through us.
I do feel mother earth and is just great right in the heart chackra.
I also wanted this thread to be a celebration of Gaia, and i'l love to see what image resonate with you of Gaia?
Love you all...

:)

My image of Gaia;

http://galaxybackground.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/NASA-Earth-From-Apollo-01.jpg

Isn't she gorgeous! I see Gaia and all her inhabitants as one glorious organism.

[Finefeather]

This post is a general response to Rachel's statements and not a criticism.


Who can claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?
I can and every human can.
I am afraid to tell you that this is actually wrong. Most humans who think they are saints have only their ego's to thank… or maybe to blame… :)



Ray, I never saw you as such a pessimist, a quitter? ;)


I'm 100% with Rachel on this one. Not because I read it somewhere, or have delusions of sainthood, but because of personal attempts I have made to change myself. People can change, the mind can be changed.

We have this false belief as a collective, and it is a powerful one, because it is reinforced daily, and even hourly, that we cannot be what we want to be.

This is bull****, plain and simple.


I have been called many things in my life... and I don't mind what you call me... but I ain't a pessimist... or a quitter :)

Then also... you should have noted that I said "Most humans"... not all... so it still leaves room for you and Rachel and me to be saints :)

You obviously did not read my first post which started this whole thing off... so I'll just copy it here...



Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.

But we should be careful about seeing ourselves as higher than we really are... the ego loves to play games and high spiritual achievement is a common delusion amongst the arrogant... that's all I'm saying.

I mostly applaud those who quietly get on with life by being of service to others.

Take care brother
Ray

[Clear Light]

You obviously did not read my first post which started this whole thing off... so I'll just copy it here...



Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.

But we should be careful about seeing ourselves as higher than we really are... the ego loves to play games and high spiritual achievement is a common delusion amongst the arrogant... that's all I'm saying.

I mostly applaud those who quietly get on with life by being of service to others.

Take care brother
Ray

Oh, quite so Ray, quite so !

Furthermore, those of us who do follow some sort of Spiritual Regimen, such as Meditation, will only be too aware of the error of taking what is at most a spiritual "Peak Experience" for lasting and permanent Realisation eh ?

Why ? Because such "experiences" wear off after a time and quite often one finds oneself back in samsaric pigsh1t wondering what the hell happened to all the glorious sensations of lightness, bliss and ecstasy LOL !

Now as far as I have grasped it, true so-called "realisation" is like a continuing state of Equanimity such that the duality between High and Low has vanished :)

[Guish]

You obviously did not read my first post which started this whole thing off... so I'll just copy it here...



Who could claim to have not a single tiny bit of "Hate" or "Envy" in their Heart ?

Don't underestimate humanity just to make your own transgressions seem normal... there are many extremely advanced Beings in this planet who would make your mouth drop open in awe... not that they would be interested in your worship because they are only here to assist us.

But we should be careful about seeing ourselves as higher than we really are... the ego loves to play games and high spiritual achievement is a common delusion amongst the arrogant... that's all I'm saying.

I mostly applaud those who quietly get on with life by being of service to others.

Take care brother
Ray

Oh, quite so Ray, quite so !

Furthermore, those of us who do follow some sort of Spiritual Regimen, such as Meditation, will only be too aware of the error of taking what is at most a spiritual "Peak Experience" for lasting and permanent Realisation eh ?

Why ? Because such "experiences" wear off after a time and quite often one finds oneself back in samsaric pigsh1t wondering what the hell happened to all the glorious sensations of lightness, bliss and ecstasy LOL !

Now as far as I have grasped it, true so-called "realisation" is like a continuing state of Equanimity such that the duality between High and Low has vanished :)

Very true. However, one should look at all experiences with detachment. Even if we do not experience bliss, fine. Stay detached. Yesterday, I was seeing all sorts of lights in a sort of web during Zazen. There was a tendency to plunge into it and enjoy it. I stayed detached and there was suddenly a blank mind moment where I was no longer observing and the moment and I were the same. It took me longer than usual to feel the body again. I had a normal day today and let go of that experience. I have no intention to live it again. If it comes, fine. If it doesn't, fine.

[DeDukshyn]

But we should be careful about seeing ourselves as higher than we really are...

...

Agreed, this is actually a major part of the problem ... not in just seeing ourselves as "higher" than we are -- it is the same problem, which plagues most humans, as seeing yourself lower than you are. It's a bit of a conundrum. One must realize that the programs in our subconscious are reinforcing one's "vision" of themselves, whether too high or too low. One major and very important aspect of my "practices" at the time was to understand that 1) humans aren't honest with themselves at all (hence the excuse making and justification I referred to), and 2) that who I really was, was not being reflected due to these fear based programs, and that I needed to view myself as whatever I was reflecting at the moment, else proper self evaluation cannot occur, and potential for delusions of grandeur exist.

Everyone is capable of being hate free, fear free. It's not overly complicated (if one understands the problem well enough), just takes persistent work and dedication along with a bit of time :)

I also overtly applaud those who work in silence to assist others, and I also think the whole process of getting humanity on a better track would be greatly accelerated if more people would take on honest self work. The issue here I think is few people really understand the real problem, and few books or courses are out there that actually dig deep to the roots. Most people want to read "feel-good" stuff, and that's fine, but it's nothing more than a surface bandage that keeps some of the dirt out -- it falls off quickly and rather easily too and does nothing to heal the wound.

[CD7]

I've seen things that have NO REFLECTION HERE.....How to quantify ?? There's no quantifying "it" according to the "laws" here....IT IS AND IT IS EVERYWHERE AND EVERYTHING....No need to feel higher...lower...ITS in ALL directions...

PERFECTION IN MOTION EXISTS......

[Clear Light]

Very true. However, one should look at all experiences with detachment. Even if we do not experience bliss, fine. Stay detached. Yesterday, I was seeing all sorts of lights in a sort of web during Zazen. There was a tendency to plunge into it and enjoy it. I stayed detached and there was suddenly a blank mind moment where I was no longer observing and the moment and I were the same. It took me longer than usual to feel the body again. I had a normal day today and let go of that experience. I have no intention to live it again. If it comes, fine. If it doesn't, fine.

Oh, I don't see how that's possible because I see Awareness as like being Utterly Inseparable from Every Experience (whether of a Pleasurable, Painful or Neutral nature) ... thus WHO is the one claiming some sort of Detachment ? If you catch my drift ...

[Innocent Warrior]

Then also... you should have noted that I said "Most humans"... not all... so it still leaves room for you and Rachel and me to be saints :)

LOL. :D Well, for the record, my ego is alive and well and I don't pretend otherwise.

My spiritual practice is similar to DeDukshyn's, I've been transmuting my self through reprogramming my subconscious mind, and practicing different states of being. My ego, or I should say the ego, because they all look like the same one to me, has only become more clever, more slick, trickier. And I don't even want to be a saint, just perfectly free, perfectly me, and I know we already are, in the broader picture, but manifesting it here is something else.

If I were to spell Lucifer any other way, it would be e-g-o.

[DeDukshyn]

Then also... you should have noted that I said "Most humans"... not all... so it still leaves room for you and Rachel and me to be saints :)

LOL. Well, for the record, my ego is alive and well and I don't pretend otherwise.

My spiritual practice is similar to DeDukshyn's, I've been transmuting my self through reprogramming my subconscious mind, and practicing different states of being. My ego, or I should say the ego, because they all look like the same one to me, has only become more clever, more slick, trickier. And I don't even want to be a saint, just perfectly free, perfectly me, and I know we already are, in the broader picture, but manifesting it here is something else.

If I were to spell Lucifer any other way, it would be e-g-o.

I wanted to write another big long blurb, but I'll just say from what appears to me, the ego (personal ego, that we each carry) is a result of a force - one of the two poles that allow the creation of a universe - on a consciousness.

On our creative vibrational "landscape", we exist within an area with "close proximity" to the pole of the "forces of separation". These forces in this area are strong enough to create separation from the pole of "the force of unity", from where our "mind" or "spirit" originates.

The purpose of the "human project" was an attempt to bridge these realms - the "physical" and "ethereal". To be able to carry out the mind's desire for creativity and exploration within the physical realms. It is due to this barrier between to two realms that the physical seems so "non-spiritual" and is also why we have amnesia when we arrive here - evidence the "bridging" has not yet been properly successful. There was some initial success, but those times are long past - sometimes referred to as "The garden of Eden" - our ancient Golden ages.

A somewhat unexpected result was the final and overall effect of the forces of separation, the forces which are needed for the creation of matter and a physical universe, on the conscious mind. This effect is what triggered "the Fall" (which affected not only Man, but all incarnations at that time); although on the physical level, it played rather in interesting detail at the time - but it had to honor and reflect that which was happening in the consciousness of man and the other entities affected. The Universe is holographic.

So here we are, stuck under this influence (aka "The spell of Matter"), until we learn to purge the result of this, which is basically fear within our subconscious, and the resultant "ego" that is a result of this fear being housed within our subconscious.

Now if we are talking about the "big outside ego" (that we refer to as "Satan or "Lucifer") - we are referring to the effect "the forces of separation" have on Lucifer's consciousness. Also keep in mind this effect is what creates our entire physical existence - it is neither "good" nor "bad" - the oversight was the effect of these forces on the mind - evil only occurs within the mind.

Addition: But that still begs the question "who is Lucifer and what is His/Her relationship to us?" Maybe it is our collective consciousness, before the fragmentation of the Mind ... ? Just musing possibilities ...

Also note, I speak mostly in metaphor, to attempt to describe things that are mostly ineffable.

[Innocent Warrior]

But that still begs the question "who is Lucifer and what is His/Her relationship to us?" Maybe it is our collective consciousness, before the fragmentation of the Mind ... ? Just musing possibilities ...

I’ll have a go, musing possibilities also. :)

A phantom conscious being, born in the mind of man, out of fear, an effect of consciousness in a diminished state of awareness. A phantom because it’s illusory, because what we’re really looking at is Source, through the filter of our physical mind.

[Guish]

Very true. However, one should look at all experiences with detachment. Even if we do not experience bliss, fine. Stay detached. Yesterday, I was seeing all sorts of lights in a sort of web during Zazen. There was a tendency to plunge into it and enjoy it. I stayed detached and there was suddenly a blank mind moment where I was no longer observing and the moment and I were the same. It took me longer than usual to feel the body again. I had a normal day today and let go of that experience. I have no intention to live it again. If it comes, fine. If it doesn't, fine.

Oh, I don't see how that's possible because I see Awareness as like being Utterly Inseparable from Every Experience (whether of a Pleasurable, Painful or Neutral nature) ... thus WHO is the one claiming some sort of Detachment ? If you catch my drift ...

When the moment and the object become one, there's no emotion involved as who would be experiencing it? We all experience such a thing from time to time. It's called the no-mind moment. I use "one" while explaining because the ego is still here but somehow is weak. Therefore, as the ego comes back knocking, you have to mentally ignore it with detachment. No ego would mean complete renunciation which is very hard to handle as it would involve complete renunciation of food and external contact.

[Finefeather]

Addition: But that still begs the question "who is Lucifer and what is His/Her relationship to us?" Maybe it is our collective consciousness, before the fragmentation of the Mind ... ?


A phantom conscious being, born in the mind of man, out of fear, an effect of consciousness in a diminished state of awareness. A phantom because it’s illusory, because what we’re really looking at is Source, through the filter of our physical mind.
This lucifer 'thing' has pretty much been addressed hundreds of times… even on this forum…
Of course it is still going to be a mountain of a task to get the average person to accept this because it has been so indoctrinated into most peoples minds... that Lucifer is Satan. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary this lie has been carefully planned by the dark forces who are in fact Satan as a collective. It would certainly be better for Lucifer to be seen to be the same as Satan… that way you immediately eliminate the good of Lucifer… job done!

First here is a quote to read...

The ancients. (initiates) called the planet Venus .the morning star. (not the evening star) as
well as .Lucifer. (he who brought .the light., the knowledge to our planet). By order of the solar
systemic government the Venusian planetary government relinquished some of its members, who
took over the management of our planet when biological evolution had reached so far that the
brain of .ape-man. could begin to be mentalized. This was 21 million years ago. The direct result
of this was that the apes could begin to causalize (pass from the third (animal) to the fourth (human) kingdom by acquiring causal envelopes). The prerequisite of the transfer was, of course, that Venus was enormously far ahead of Tellus(earth) in developmental respect. In fact, the mankind of Venus is the only mankind in the solar system that concludes its evolution in the current aeon.
So Lucifer is the name given to those advanced Beings who gave of their time during the beginning of the period where monads (Selves) moved from animal to human… This was the start of the human race in our era and aeon.

Now if we fetch the word Sophia we can see the tie up...

According to the Nag Hammadi, Sophia is feminine and means wisdom… there is a bit of esoterics in the choice of this word because Sophia, being feminine, would indicate wisdom of that which concerns the earth or the physical world… because this planet is negative polarity… not negative as in bad.

You can read up on this lucifer thing extensively in the “Secret Doctrine” but of course it will always depend on our own willingness or ability or consciousness level to consciously realise reality.

So Lucifer and Sophia depicts the giving of wisdom to the still 'wet behind the ears' human race… and if you don't get that then I'm coming to get you :)

Ray

PS. By the way... just in case the guys from the UFO section read this... the guys from Venus did not come here on a great big mothership... they incarnated. :)

[Clear Light]

When the moment and the object become one, there's no emotion involved as who would be experiencing it?

LOL, who indeed ;)


We all experience such a thing from time to time. It's called the no-mind moment. I use "one" while explaining because the ego is still here but somehow is weak. Therefore, as the ego comes back knocking, you have to mentally ignore it with detachment. No ego would mean complete renunciation which is very hard to handle as it would involve complete renunciation of food and external contact.

Hmmm complete renunciation & no contact sounds like a Retreat ?

[Guish]

Hmmm complete renunciation & no contact sounds like a Retreat ?

Scarier than this as I had to force myself to eat and could see my social relationships deteriorate. I have also found that the physical world is a perfect platform for consciousness growth. It has many challenges that really tests one's inner calmness.

[Finefeather]

Very true. However, one should look at all experiences with detachment. Even if we do not experience bliss, fine. Stay detached. Yesterday, I was seeing all sorts of lights in a sort of web during Zazen. There was a tendency to plunge into it and enjoy it. I stayed detached and there was suddenly a blank mind moment where I was no longer observing and the moment and I were the same. It took me longer than usual to feel the body again. I had a normal day today and let go of that experience. I have no intention to live it again. If it comes, fine. If it doesn't, fine.

Oh, I don't see how that's possible because I see Awareness as like being Utterly Inseparable from Every Experience (whether of a Pleasurable, Painful or Neutral nature) ... thus WHO is the one claiming some sort of Detachment ? If you catch my drift ...

When the moment and the object become one, there's no emotion involved as who would be experiencing it? We all experience such a thing from time to time. It's called the no-mind moment. I use "one" while explaining because the ego is still here but somehow is weak. Therefore, as the ego comes back knocking, you have to mentally ignore it with detachment. No ego would mean complete renunciation which is very hard to handle as it would involve complete renunciation of food and external contact.
I rather agree with Clear Blue Skies here... if you 'detach' from ALL experiences you never learn... awareness or consciousness is always present in every experience, else you would be a zombie.
But lets say we have had a an experience previously and we have learnt it's worth or worthlessness... then when it comes around again it might be a good idea to 'see' it with the detachment or attachment it deserves.

[zen deik]

Spiritual evolution,,,, growing or rotting,,, nothing is static

[betoobig]

The whole point is another trick on us, having us believe Sophia is ego, evil.... Far from the truth. Sophia is Lucifer. Nothing to fear from Lucifer. She is in everyone of us... I will say Sophia is conciousness, counciosness is the unifyed field, we are so.... Once again a lot of words to say the same thing. You all are pretty much saying the same thing, just different paths, and that is the real richness of this universe... One soul one path... From the same place to the same place, which is a place and it is not, through different roads.
Love you all, thanks for this marvellous trip/thread.

[Finefeather]

The ego has puzzled people for ages… because whenever the ego is discussed by most they do not even realise that it is the ego which is doing the discussion!

The ego is not something separate from the Self… it is the Self in it's current conscious state.

We cannot get rid of the EGO like extracting some implant from ourselves… because we are the ego… we have to educate and grow the consciousness of the ego(Self) until it acts in accordance with higher knowledge… and becomes a balanced ego… a balanced Self… a loving Self.

Everyone is an ego it is just a case of how much of an egoist we are... or become in life.

Some people are clearly less egotistical than others… this does not mean they do not have an ego… it means they, as a Self, are more advanced and realise the nature of Self in it's early life.

Ego is a natural protective state… animals have ego.

Some words like selfishness, callousness, hatred, stinginess etc etc are all egotistic traits which came to us from our days in the animal kingdom where we had to fight for survival

It's actually very simple…

Consider a baby who is basically only instinctive when it is born, it looks for food and comfort, thats all!. It has no interest in the mother other than the fact that she is the source of food.

This is the epitome of ego… my body… I want food… I want, I want, I want, because I am the only thing that counts.

We incarnate as an ego and based on our advancement in consciousness we see how people have different personalities… some are lovely people who give to all, and are humble… others can be just awful and won't give you ice in winter and when ever you see them they are talking about themselves… then there are the millions of in-betweens… making up the personalities of humans… all based on their level of advancement.

Every thing in life... is a result of consciousness growth... the more we grow consciously the more we realise and obey the laws of life... which leads to a natural move to harmony... and unconditional love... which results in a collective unity of minds... utopia


Ray

[Clear Light]

Spiritual evolution,,,, growing or rotting,,, nothing is static

Ah, like a continuous flowing stream, upon which one may see ever-changing ripples, reflections and waves ... never the same moment twice, always fresh, always new ... always Now :clapping:


http://www.westernchanfellowship.org/fileadmin/tmpl/main/images/pages/river-flowing.jpg

[Flash]

Hi all of you here, I am not posting much but I am following, like many of us I think.

Now, therefore, instead of detachment, which is often use in all kinds of schools, couldn't we say "submission" to the universal laws (and detachment for what is not)? The being, ego and causal self once developed, in service through the universal laws?

Ego question: How or why was is decided that this ape-man would be Worth or could achieve the causal trip? How does the universe works about this? And why are we so slow to develop (fear being potentially a component i presume)? Is that the same process on all planetary beings, or all evolution?



The ego has puzzled people for ages… because whenever the ego is discussed by most they do not even realise that it is the ego which is doing the discussion!

The ego is not something separate from the Self… it is the Self in it's current conscious state.

We cannot get rid of the EGO like extracting some implant from ourselves… because we are the ego… we have to educate and grow the consciousness of the ego(Self) until it acts in accordance with higher knowledge… and becomes a balanced ego… a balanced Self… a loving Self.

Everyone is an ego it is just a case of how much of an egoist we are... or become in life.

Some people are clearly less egotistical than others… this does not mean they do not have an ego… it means they, as a Self, are more advanced and realise the nature of Self in it's early life.

Ego is a natural protective state… animals have ego.

Some words like selfishness, callousness, hatred, stinginess etc etc are all egotistic traits which came to us from our days in the animal kingdom where we had to fight for survival

It's actually very simple…

Consider a baby who is basically only instinctive when it is born, it looks for food and comfort, thats all!. It has no interest in the mother other than the fact that she is the source of food.

This is the epitome of ego… my body… I want food… I want, I want, I want, because I am the only thing that counts.

We incarnate as an ego and based on our advancement in consciousness we see how people have different personalities… some are lovely people who give to all, and are humble… others can be just awful and won't give you ice in winter and when ever you see them they are talking about themselves… then there are the millions of in-betweens… making up the personalities of humans… all based on their level of advancement.

Every thing in life... is a result of consciousness growth... the more we grow consciously the more we realise and obey the laws of life... which leads to a natural move to harmony... and unconditional love... which results in collective unit of minds... utopia


Ray

[Finefeather]

Ego question: How or why was is decided that this ape-man would be Worth or could achieve the causal trip? How does the universe works about this? And why are we so slow to develop (fear being potentially a component i presume)? Is that the same process on all planetary beings, or all evolution?

For me this question is just too difficult to answer fully on a forum... but briefly the decision does not come from anyone except the laws of life itself. Everything that happens in the Cosmos is a result of energies which require harmony.
Here is something I found... it is written by a non human... which might help you see the complexity and most of all the beauty of life... a truly miraculous phenomena...


The Origin of Manifestation
A cosmos is a manifestation mediated directly from primordial manifestation, constructed by monads who have themselves gone through the total processes of involution and evolution and, in so doing, from being unconscious have reached, through self-realization, the highest cosmic omniscience and omnipotence. From the beginning a cosmos is of small extent, relatively speaking, and is gradually expanded until it reaches the requisite size. The building material consists of monads, which are taken from the inexhaustible store of primordial manifestation as need arises. Cosmoses can vary considerably in size. There is a limit to their extension, however. This limit is set by the nature of matter. This extension must not be unsurveyable. Matter must not reach such an extent that the total number of dimensions cannot any more form an omnipresent point to the monad’s active consciousness.
The question whether each cosmos is from the beginning led by perfected monads or is wholly left to itself is still part of the esoteric. As a perfect organization, the cosmos is at any event formed by such monads. This problem is connected the ever-recurrent question how a “first” cosmos could come into being, how monads, being originally unconscious, were able to acquire actualized, active, objective self-consciousness.
It is quite conceivable that manifestation came into being by itself. Sooner or later, the will impels monads to aggregation, to mechanical association. It is quite conceivable that by being endlessly affected by other monads, the consciousness of the monad is roused to some kind of – extremely subjective, it is true – dreamlike, instinctively fumbling activity. In their continuous striving after increasingly more tangible reality, increasingly coarser matter – being instinctively perceived as necessary to the acquisition of an ever clearer apprehension of the contrast between consciousness and material reality – previously roused monads can attract still dormant ones for involvation down into the resistance requisite to objective apprehension. In endless repetition of aggregated and re-dissolved states of matter, in endless involvation and evolvation, each time in a coarser matter with a clearer objective consciousness, experience and knowledge are increasingly being gained. The possibilities of understanding and wielding power there are in cosmic consciousness – objectivity and self-consciousness having once been acquired – must finally become an omnipotent factor.

Love
Ray

[Clear Light]

Hmmm complete renunciation & no contact sounds like a Retreat ?

Scarier than this as I had to force myself to eat and could see my social relationships deteriorate. I have also found that the physical world is a perfect platform for consciousness growth. It has many challenges that really tests one's inner calmness.

Oh Guish, that sounds more like Asceticism than Renunciation ... Didn't Gautama try that with no success but then went on to practice (live) his "Middle Way" philosophy ?

[seah]

I am coming in late to this discussion, but I have been following it.
To the OP, "The True Lucifer is Sophia" article finally relates the only possible conclusion one could come to from reading JLL's writings. Sophia has been marginalized and vilified and who do the Christians claim is the biggest villain? I highly enjoyed the article and the ones that followed.

To the latest postings: There are many different paths to get where you want to go. For some, the learning comes from interacting in the world, for others, knowledge will come from solitude.
There are as many states of consciousness as there are people. We are all having a different experience.

In some cases, the learning comes from forging new paths.

It can't be said enough that we are attempting to communicate concepts that are actually impossible to communicate with material language.

[Guish]

Hmmm complete renunciation & no contact sounds like a Retreat ?

Scarier than this as I had to force myself to eat and could see my social relationships deteriorate. I have also found that the physical world is a perfect platform for consciousness growth. It has many challenges that really tests one's inner calmness.

Oh Guish, that sounds more like Asceticism than Renunciation ... Didn't Gautama try that with no success but then went on to practice (live) his "Middle Way" philosophy ?

No man, it wasn't something I forced myself to do. It's a state that came on its own after years of Zazen.

[Guish]

Very true. However, one should look at all experiences with detachment. Even if we do not experience bliss, fine. Stay detached. Yesterday, I was seeing all sorts of lights in a sort of web during Zazen. There was a tendency to plunge into it and enjoy it. I stayed detached and there was suddenly a blank mind moment where I was no longer observing and the moment and I were the same. It took me longer than usual to feel the body again. I had a normal day today and let go of that experience. I have no intention to live it again. If it comes, fine. If it doesn't, fine.

Oh, I don't see how that's possible because I see Awareness as like being Utterly Inseparable from Every Experience (whether of a Pleasurable, Painful or Neutral nature) ... thus WHO is the one claiming some sort of Detachment ? If you catch my drift ...

When the moment and the object become one, there's no emotion involved as who would be experiencing it? We all experience such a thing from time to time. It's called the no-mind moment. I use "one" while explaining because the ego is still here but somehow is weak. Therefore, as the ego comes back knocking, you have to mentally ignore it with detachment. No ego would mean complete renunciation which is very hard to handle as it would involve complete renunciation of food and external contact.
I rather agree with Clear Blue Skies here... if you 'detach' from ALL experiences you never learn... awareness or consciousness is always present in every experience, else you would be a zombie.
But lets say we have had a an experience previously and we have learnt it's worth or worthlessness... then when it comes around again it might be a good idea to 'see' it with the detachment or attachment it deserves.

Doing something with full concentration and devotion is devoid of any emotion just like when one is deep in meditation. Things just happen. To evaluate any event in one's life, one has to look at it with detachment so that one is objective.

[zen deik]

It seems words and meaning change with different stages of spiritual development as many other perceptions of present consciousness, all are very interesting but not every concept will apply due to where one may be in their development."let each man seek out his own salvation with fear and trembling",I do appreciate more advanced teachers and different views from everyone on this journey. Thank you.

[Finefeather]

Very true. However, one should look at all experiences with detachment. Even if we do not experience bliss, fine. Stay detached. Yesterday, I was seeing all sorts of lights in a sort of web during Zazen. There was a tendency to plunge into it and enjoy it. I stayed detached and there was suddenly a blank mind moment where I was no longer observing and the moment and I were the same. It took me longer than usual to feel the body again. I had a normal day today and let go of that experience. I have no intention to live it again. If it comes, fine. If it doesn't, fine.

Oh, I don't see how that's possible because I see Awareness as like being Utterly Inseparable from Every Experience (whether of a Pleasurable, Painful or Neutral nature) ... thus WHO is the one claiming some sort of Detachment ? If you catch my drift ...

When the moment and the object become one, there's no emotion involved as who would be experiencing it? We all experience such a thing from time to time. It's called the no-mind moment. I use "one" while explaining because the ego is still here but somehow is weak. Therefore, as the ego comes back knocking, you have to mentally ignore it with detachment. No ego would mean complete renunciation which is very hard to handle as it would involve complete renunciation of food and external contact.
I rather agree with Clear Blue Skies here... if you 'detach' from ALL experiences you never learn... awareness or consciousness is always present in every experience, else you would be a zombie.
But lets say we have had a an experience previously and we have learnt it's worth or worthlessness... then when it comes around again it might be a good idea to 'see' it with the detachment or attachment it deserves.

Doing something with full concentration and devotion is devoid of any emotion just like when one is deep in meditation. Things just happen. To evaluate any event in one's life, one has to look at it with detachment so that one is objective.
I agree with your statement in context... but not all experiences can be objectively evaluated.

There is a saying..."Subjective personal experiences do not justify an objective belief in something".

When someone tells you a story or you read a book you can only be objective about it if you have had objective personal experience in the subject matter... and even then it could be something new in a subject you thought you knew everything about.

Because 'objective' is “looking at things in a detached, impartial, fact-based way.”... it is only possible in objectivity... it fails in subjectivity.

Judges require objectivity to come to valid conclusions... whereas subjectivity does not allow for true evaluation.

[Clear Light]

I agree with your statement in context... but not all experiences can be objectively evaluated.

There is a saying..."Subjective personal experiences do not justify an objective belief in something".

When someone tells you a story or you read a book you can only be objective about it if you have had objective personal experience in the subject matter... and even then it could be something new in a subject you thought you knew everything about.

Because 'objective' is “looking at things in a detached, impartial, fact-based way.”... it is only possible in objectivity... it fails in subjectivity.

Judges require objectivity to come to valid conclusions... whereas subjectivity does not allow for true evaluation.

Ah, now, how about looking at it this way : Because everything, the totality of perception, is one single interdependent flowing flux (so-to-speak), as shown with Quantum Mechanics, such that even the atoms and molecules are not the final ultimate "substance" of any "thing" ... is it even "logical" to speak of Objectivity in any real sense ?

In other words : there are no wholly independent Objects (things) whatsoever, anywhere, none at all !

Therefore even when we consider ourselves to be speaking in an objective manner, in the final analysis it can only be Subjective right ?

Of course, conventionally "I put on some clothes, eat some food and brush my teeth" however ultimately that's all merely Conceptual Designation !!!

>>> Welcome to the Weird World of Quantum Mechanics and Conscious Awareness where Everything Is Already "Empty" (*) <<<

(*) Lacking any inherent substance / self-nature

WHO are we again ? LOL :)

[Chester]

Ah, now, how about looking at it this way : Because everything, the totality of perception, is one single interdependent flowing flux (so-to-speak), as shown with Quantum Mechanics, such that even the atoms and molecules are not the final ultimate "substance" of any "thing" ... is it even "logical" to speak of Objectivity in any real sense ?

In other words : there are no wholly independent Objects (things) whatsoever, anywhere, none at all !

Therefore even when we consider ourselves to be speaking in an objective manner, in the final analysis it can only be Subjective right ?

Of course, conventionally "I put on some clothes, eat some food and brush my teeth" however ultimately that's all merely Conceptual Designation !!!

>>> Welcome to the Weird World of Quantum Mechanics and Conscious Awareness where Everything Is Already "Empty" (*) <<<

(*) Lacking any inherent substance / self-nature

WHO are we again ? LOL :)

If ever there was something I agreed with (via using my own logic as well as listening to my gut whereby my hearts desire (for me) is a truth) the above post is it.

I am glad not to be alone in this view.

[Finefeather]

In other words : there are no wholly independent Objects (things) whatsoever, anywhere, none at all !
Actually that's not true according to esoterics.

Quantum physics is in itself an unsolved science in that they have not yet discovered the 'final' particle… the god particle… every time they claim to have found the smallest particle someone else starts looking for a smaller one.

We can see that the thing we were told was the atom is actually far from even the real physical 'atom'. The Hadron collider is a desperate attempt at finding this god particle… but they will not… in fact they will never… because physical world science will just never be able to get instruments to see or measure such tiny matter.

In Hylozoics there is what is known as a primordial atom... a monad, (introduced to us by Pythagoras... who was a highly advanced Being... not human) which is the smallest possible part of primordial matter and the smallest possible firm point for individual consciousness. The monads are the sole indestructible things in the universe… and everything that exists composes these monads in various degrees of activation or consciousness… we as individual Selves are each a monad.

This is far too complicated to try to attempt to justify on a forum post and the other thing is no human can really understand this fully… but what this means is that matter is everywhere despite the fact that some philosophies insist on formless worlds… they are wrong… but let that for now just be a hypothesis.

The only existence objective to consciousness is the compositions of primordial atoms into atoms, molecules and material forms


WHO are we again ?
We are each an individual primordial atom or monad.

[greybeard]

Ah, now, how about looking at it this way : Because everything, the totality of perception, is one single interdependent flowing flux (so-to-speak), as shown with Quantum Mechanics, such that even the atoms and molecules are not the final ultimate "substance" of any "thing" ... is it even "logical" to speak of Objectivity in any real sense ?

In other words : there are no wholly independent Objects (things) whatsoever, anywhere, none at all !

Therefore even when we consider ourselves to be speaking in an objective manner, in the final analysis it can only be Subjective right ?

Of course, conventionally "I put on some clothes, eat some food and brush my teeth" however ultimately that's all merely Conceptual Designation !!!

>>> Welcome to the Weird World of Quantum Mechanics and Conscious Awareness where Everything Is Already "Empty" (*) <<<

(*) Lacking any inherent substance / self-nature

WHO are we again ? LOL :)

If ever there was something I agreed with (via using my own logic as well as listening to my gut whereby my hearts desire (for me) is a truth) the above post is it.

I am glad not to be alone in this view.

I agree totally too--there is no separation, it is just not possible.
Anything else is just a notion--no more than a thought.
There is only "One without a second"

I just have not been able to express this as well as, or with the authority that Clear Blue Skies has.
Yes indeed "What am I"? back to Ramana Maharshi.

Chris

[Clear Light]

In other words : there are no wholly independent Objects (things) whatsoever, anywhere, none at all !
Actually that's not true according to esoterics.

Quantum physics is in itself an unsolved science in that they have not yet discovered the 'final' particle… the god particle… every time they claim to have found the smallest particle someone else starts looking for a smaller one.


Oh, I believe you're mistaking Classical Newtonian physics for Quantum physics ?

[Finefeather]

Ah, now, how about looking at it this way : Because everything, the totality of perception, is one single interdependent flowing flux (so-to-speak), as shown with Quantum Mechanics, such that even the atoms and molecules are not the final ultimate "substance" of any "thing" ... is it even "logical" to speak of Objectivity in any real sense ?

Yes it is... because objectivity is about perception in each world... so in the physical world it is about what our 5 senses perceive.

There are also those who have etheric vision and also clairvoyants who are able to see the emotional or astral world... in these people perception has more senses.

When you leave the body as in conscious 'out of body travel' we can perceive things which cannot be perceived in the physical world... and this is true for higher worlds as well... and their are 48 higher worlds that the physical world.

[Finefeather]

In other words : there are no wholly independent Objects (things) whatsoever, anywhere, none at all !
Actually that's not true according to esoterics.

Quantum physics is in itself an unsolved science in that they have not yet discovered the 'final' particle… the god particle… every time they claim to have found the smallest particle someone else starts looking for a smaller one.


Oh, I believe you're mistaking Classical Newtonian physics for Quantum physics ?
No I said Quantum physics.

Quantum mechanics (QM; also known as quantum physics or quantum theory) including quantum field theory, is a fundamental branch of physics concerned with processes involving, for example, atoms and photons.

[zen deik]

The cosmology of Walter Russell certainly adds depth where physics are concerned

[Clear Light]

In other words : there are no wholly independent Objects (things) whatsoever, anywhere, none at all !
Actually that's not true according to esoterics.

Quantum physics is in itself an unsolved science in that they have not yet discovered the 'final' particle… the god particle… every time they claim to have found the smallest particle someone else starts looking for a smaller one.


Oh, I believe you're mistaking Classical Newtonian physics for Quantum physics ?
No I said Quantum physics.

Quantum mechanics (QM; also known as quantum physics or quantum theory) including quantum field theory, is a fundamental branch of physics concerned with processes involving, for example, atoms and photons.


Quantum physics is in itself an unsolved science in that they have not yet discovered the 'final' particle… the god particle… every time they claim to have found the smallest particle someone else starts looking for a smaller one.

We can see that the thing we were told was the atom is actually far from even the real physical 'atom'. The Hadron collider is a desperate attempt at finding this god particle… but they will not… in fact they will never… because physical world science will just never be able to get instruments to see or measure such tiny matter.

Oh, however in QM / QP until a "measurement" is made upon the "system" there are no such things as atoms, photons, quarks or leptons because the process of "flowing flux" is in a state of Superposition !


3E3QT-QU0bw

Likewise, our Real Nature, is said to be like naturally occurring timeless "empty" (of thing-ness) awareness appearing as it seems to "in our mind" moment by moment :)

[greybeard]

"Religion" teaches that God is out there, Lucifer too.
Christ taught that the Father is within--also heaven---he pointed to meditation--"Be still and know that I am God"
The mystics point to the discovery in meditation that "I am God"

Christ was clear that he was not different from us "What I have done you can too and more"
He pointed to being omni present--Look under a stone and you will find me there.
The mind is not capable of getting that all are one--the same essence omni present.
There is no where that God is not.
Christ taught non duality to those who believed in separation--he met them where they stood

Of course the mind is a distraction through complicating everything.
What is complex about being still?

Believe what you will--that seems to make it so, as far as I can see, but that does not make it true.
The mind can see a snake in a harmless piece of rope.

Chris

[Clear Light]

Ah, quite so Chris, because there's more than one way to skin the cat of "non-Duality" eh ?

(dead or alive in Schrodinger's case haha)

Nowadays we're probably very fortunate to have such easy online access to many forms of non-Dual teaching, hence finding one that, at first, makes intellectual sense isn't so difficult I suggest ... then as one "progresses" (*) our intellectual understanding gives way to profound heartfelt experiential insight with any luck !

Thanks,
Simon.

(*) Sees through / dissolves the sense of personal "separate" self

[Chester]

In other words : there are no wholly independent Objects (things) whatsoever, anywhere, none at all !
Actually that's not true according to esoterics.

Quantum physics is in itself an unsolved science in that they have not yet discovered the 'final' particle… the god particle… every time they claim to have found the smallest particle someone else starts looking for a smaller one.


Oh, I believe you're mistaking Classical Newtonian physics for Quantum physics ?

Understanding the deeper implications of quantum physics makes clear that each time a component is discovered what always follows is that component itself contains sub components within it such that there will never be found something so silly as a "smallest particle" much less a "god particle." Even the word "particle" is a tip-off. Relegation to a materialistic, mechanistic universe... not for me and thankfully I am not alone.

Considering the conundrum proposed by "non-locality" we have an example where one action does not precede another as events in related "particles" occur simultaneously irregardless of locality... sometimes referred to by physicists as "spooky science" (code for - "unexplained").

From my understanding, the BS called "god particle" is nothing but PTB tripe the masses buy into such that funding for lovely projects like CERN will continue.

I feel it is important to state that all the above was just my opinion and yes... no one asked me for it.

Doing my best to stay away from "absolutism."

[Finefeather]

Doing my best to stay away from "absolutism."
That must then mean that you're not absolutely sure you will be staying away from absolutism... because if you were absolutely sure then you would be doing exactly what you're doing your best to avoid...ie... being absolute :)

Have a great new year Sam :Party:

[badgerboy]

"The only possible conclusion one could come to from reading JLL's writings" Hmm...I came to the conclusion that he is a white supremacist (primarily the Jews the Jews the Jews) and that his followers are beginning to use the same language and terms, so that it sounds like him talking. Which you know, smacks of a ...

Anyway, happy new year all! And John, if you are trolling this, I do love you, just really (still!) have a problem with hate.

[Hym]

Sam, I know it is your opinion but your being here means We Do want your opinion, always. They are well thought out, especially the one above. Thanks.

[zen deik]

Absolutely😰lol,

[Chester]

Doing my best to stay away from "absolutism."
That must then mean that you're not absolutely sure you will be staying away from absolutism... because if you were absolutely sure then you would be doing exactly what you're doing your best to avoid...ie... being absolute :)

Have a great new year Sam :Party:

Ahhhh my fine friend, the finest feather of them all... (ooops an absolute?)

Enjoy 2016 as well, I am sure we'll make it fun.

One thing I am absolutely certain about (thus I am failing to do my best by making this statement) is that I will make many mistakes in 2016. I base this opinion on the actuarial tables related to my past. Perhaps responding as I have is my first? Ohhh wait, it is still 2015.... whew!

[illuxxina]

Yes, this subject is very close to the truth and the real human history. Lucifer is in fact female and the " Eye of Horus" has a direct connection to what Lucifer is all about.

[The Quiet Son]

Hi, firstly I think Kung-fu superheroes fighting intra-species predators would a great movie make haha! So, on the Sophia thing. You may consider me a bit of a noob but, firstly, are you equating Sophia with Lucifer less-so than Lucifer with the other 's' word or are all one in the same? Didn't Sophia birth Samael then repent, effectively "oh sorry"? Is this repenting the Sophia Correction or is that something else? And, do you equate Venus/Aphrodite potentially Ishtar/Inanna with the "adversarial force? :)

[Chester]

Yes, this subject is very close to the truth and the real human history. Lucifer is in fact female and the " Eye of Horus" has a direct connection to what Lucifer is all about.

I would like to know more about this... please share the information.

[Finefeather]

Doing my best to stay away from "absolutism."
That must then mean that you're not absolutely sure you will be staying away from absolutism... because if you were absolutely sure then you would be doing exactly what you're doing your best to avoid...ie... being absolute :)

Have a great new year Sam :Party:

Ahhhh my fine friend, the finest feather of them all... (ooops an absolute?)

Enjoy 2016 as well, I am sure we'll make it fun.

One thing I am absolutely certain about (thus I am failing to do my best by making this statement) is that I will make many mistakes in 2016. I base this opinion on the actuarial tables related to my past. Perhaps responding as I have is my first? Ohhh wait, it is still 2015.... whew!
Hi Sam
I nearly missed your post... sorry about that :)

There is truth in everyone it is sometimes just a little hard to accept... and mistakes are exactly why we are here.

I try to live absolutely to the code... never let differences get in the way of my love for all.

Take care my brother... I love you very much... since the beginning... and it never stops in my world.

Ray

[Finefeather]

Yes, this subject is very close to the truth and the real human history. Lucifer is in fact female and the " Eye of Horus" has a direct connection to what Lucifer is all about.
This is very far from truth.

Lucifer is not 'in fact' female... how could Lucifer be female if Lucifer is not even an earth being... Lucifer is the planet Venus... and although planets may be considered male/female... the reality is rather that they are positive or negative electrically.

You are confusing Lucifer with satan... and even then Satan is not a single entity... Satan is the collective name for ALL dark forces in this planet's physical and emotional(astral) worlds.

[Flash]

Doing my best to stay away from "absolutism."
That must then mean that you're not absolutely sure you will be staying away from absolutism... because if you were absolutely sure then you would be doing exactly what you're doing your best to avoid...ie... being absolute :)

Have a great new year Sam :Party:



Ahhhh my fine friend, the finest feather of them all... (ooops an absolute?)

Enjoy 2016 as well, I am sure we'll make it fun.

One thing I am absolutely certain about (thus I am failing to do my best by making this statement) is that I will make many mistakes in 2016. I base this opinion on the actuarial tables related to my past. Perhaps responding as I have is my first? Ohhh wait, it is still 2015.... whew!
Hi Sam
I nearly missed your post... sorry about that :)

There is truth in everyone it is sometimes just a little hard to accept... and mistakes are exactly why we are here.

I try to live absolutely to the code... never let differences get in the way of my love for all.

Take care my brother... I love you very much... since the beginning... and it never stops in my world.

Ray

Same here Sam, much love and caring

I wish you a very great year with multiplication of love and discoveries.

And Ray, that you receive in return the full measure of the blessings you are imparting. A wish with all the goodness passing through my heart,

Thanks betoobig for having started such a thread where exchanges are allowed within a polite and respectful Framework,

Happy new year to all filled with love and growth

Flash

[Finefeather]

Same here Sam, much love and caring

I wish you a very great year with multiplication of love and discoveries.

And Ray, that you receive in return the full measure of the blessings you are imparting. A wish with all the goodness passing through my heart,

Thanks betoobig for having started such a thread where exchanges are allowed within a polite and respectful Framework,

Happy new year to all filled with love and growth

Flash
Thank you 'C' :)

Without love we are forever knocking...

Be love and the world comes knocking...

Love you forever

Ray

[illuxxina]

Yes, I'll explain more after all the celebration is over. I wish you a Happy new year :star:

[illuxxina]

Yes, this subject is very close to the truth and the real human history. Lucifer is in fact female and the " Eye of Horus" has a direct connection to what Lucifer is all about.
This is very far from truth.

Lucifer is not 'in fact' female... how could Lucifer be female if Lucifer is not even an earth being... Lucifer is the planet Venus... and although planets may be considered male/female... the reality is rather that they are positive or negative electrically.

You are confusing Lucifer with satan... and even then Satan is not a single entity... Satan is the collective name for ALL dark forces in this planet's physical and emotional(astral) worlds.

If you want to read it as* a female human being* , just like Jesus christ as a man, well then, its up to you.

If you understand it as a bringer of knowledge...
If you'd see it as a star but it would get smaller when approaching this level of reality, it would only be a light.
If the soul was also of light before incarnating - then the bringer would only remind you of the light you know but had forgotten.
If lucifer is a kind of consciousness then it could be female. Jesus christ consciousness.... yes, he who will be the bringer of one world order - obey - if not then be consumed by fire. ( reminder only).

Fear, people fear so much they are not able to look into the "dangerous" parts, the one that might light up the path maybe

[illuxxina]

Satan is not Lucifer. If you want to misunderstand what I've written then you are welcome.

Satan is nothing else but human darkness. And all historic ancient symbols and statues are there as symbol of something internal absolutely not external.
When the majority has changed , swapped, then the world can really change. The society represents the nature of humans.