Wikileaks Julian Assange close links to the Economist controlled Rothschild! [Archive]

shiva777

2nd December 2010, 20:17

here is what kerry wrote in her Blog

Wikileaks Releases Cables - NY Times Article - Much ado about nothing?

Today in the NY Times they give a short overview of the various cables, their subjects, the type of disclosures they contain and the sensitivities involved. The Times writes the following about the levels of secrecy:

"...Many are unclassified, and none are marked “top secret,” the government’s most secure communications status. But some 11,000 are classified “secret,” 9,000 are labeled “noforn,” shorthand for material considered too delicate to be shared with any foreign government, and 4,000 are designated both secret and noforn."

But reading through the short litany of information provided does not reveal anything of great interest or groundbreaking consequence. This is the trouble. Whether this is a slective revealing by the NY Times in order to satisfy the public curriosity of such a spectacle by throwing scraps to the dogs, or whether the actual cables contain anything of real value remains to be seen. What is clear is that the NY Times article would have the reader believe that nothing much is revealed that isn't already plentifully available in the media. The Times sums it all up with the following statement:

"They depict the Obama administration struggling to sort out which Pakistanis are trustworthy partners against Al Qaeda, adding Australians who have disappeared in the Middle East to terrorist watch lists, and assessing whether a lurking rickshaw driver in Lahore, Pakistan, was awaiting fares or conducting surveillance of the road to the American Consulate.

They show American officials managing relations with a China on the rise and a Russia retreating from democracy. They document years of painstaking effort to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon — and of worry about a possible Israeli strike on Iran with the same goal."

There is nothing in that summation that isn't exactly what the U.S. government would have the public know... in fact it treads the partyline so closely that the whole exercise becomes suspect. One wonders whether this is not all an exercise of the Tavistock institute in 'disclosure' in order to test the ground to see how revelaing of truth really plays in the public. Revealing what appears to be the conducting of business behind closed doors is all too mundane and predictable. This is suspect. What I would like to know is if anything of note gets revealed by this exercise or not. In the end, whether the NY Times is doing a good scrubbing and spinning of the cables or whether the cables themselves are just run-of-the mill communiques between underlings and of no real value other than for useful color in dramatising diplomacy for the masses. Letting them rest at home knowing their government is really in the business of making the world 'safe for democracy' while Rome burns is the question. At the moment the jury is still out but the winds of change are not blowing with much vigor.

Why does any of this matter? Because we are in a time when secrets WILL be revealed... The watering down and the spin is where the mind control of the masses comes in. But regardless, when you hear a real truth it will strike fear into the hearts of the perpetrators and bring light into the eyes of the knowers. This is what we work on bringing forth and this is what they cannot avoid or obfuscate forever. The real truth will out

maybe you and Kerry can discuss it...I'm really not that interested in Wikileaks...it's surface level stuff...just putting it out there for those who may be interested

norman

2nd December 2010, 21:26

Shiva, you're falling for the propaganda AGAINST Wikileaks.

All expressed opinions are a form of propaganda but I'm puzzled by what you seem to imply here?

Are you still in the "Wikileaks is a doing a good job" camp Bill?

fifi

2nd December 2010, 21:35

The "collateral damage" video put out by Wikileak is a good thing. Julian should continue like that, choosing a few pieces of information that make a good point, rather than giving out hundreds of thousands of documents. Who has time to wade through them? now I don't know what's the important info in those hundreds of thousands of documents that I should know about.

Ahkenaten

2nd December 2010, 21:41

it is not true that the information released on Wikileaks is not damaging to those who wish to keep secrets and seek to rule by deception and the perpetuation of LIES

Roofie

2nd December 2010, 22:44

norman

2nd December 2010, 23:00

Who's the hero?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNy-7jv0XSc

Banshee

2nd December 2010, 23:15

This might be a bit off topic here, but I was hoping that I could get some opinions regarding the dismissal of the cables as "embarrassing" ! I have a complete disconnect regarding that and the fact that Hillary Clinton did not personally order the biometric data collection on the UN. Perhaps I am naive, but I cannot understand how such an intrusive action could be ordered by a subordinate? Would that not require a blessing of the highest order? And if not, what other atrocities can be ordered by underlings? If Hillary Clinton is being truthful would this not be a cause for her replacement as derelict of duty? Where does the buck stop? This is more than an embarrassment, this is a human rights violation of the highest order.

Banshee

2nd December 2010, 23:19

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Zook

2nd December 2010, 23:19

Hi Roofie,

In my opinion, There is no way that Julian is tied to TPTB or that the info he is releasing is not damaging to them. Websites that are making siad claims are either, "Jealous they aren't receiving the amount of hits Wiki is/was" or "Part of a disinfo campaign to confuse or turn those of us who do look to Alternative Media for News". I find it funny that people, "or should that be Sheeple??" are actually swallowing this tripe about Rape allegations and the supposed links to TPTB. Yes he is a bit of an Egomaniac but sometimes it take someone like this to do what no one else has had the cajones to do. He has put his life on the line to bring you the truth and some of you are trying your best to discredit him.
I would go as far as saying that Julian is a modern day superhero without the cape, although he does does have an awful haircut!!!
End Rant..

Glad it's just an opinion. Me? I wouldn't wish that kind of brainwashed thinking on my worst enemy. Free clue: Tel Aviv.

Investigate the role of Tel Aviv in monitoring communications worldwide. Then investigate Julian Assange's remarks about 9/11/2001. Then investigate George Soros' funding of Wikileaks. Then investigate the information being leaked by Wikileaks and question why all of it supports Israel's agenda/interests and virtually none of it opposes Israel's interests. Free clue: Tel Aviv. Now, investigate the umbilical cord that connects Assange to the Rothschilds.

Now show us an ability to connect the dots.

:typing:

ps: No one - I mean no one - should get a free pass when they start lying about 9/11/2001. If you want to consider a verifiable liar and obfuscator of the truths (verifiable by his own comments about 9/11/2001) to be a modern day superhero; expect no mercy from genuine truthseekers.

Banshee

2nd December 2010, 23:22

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Roofie

3rd December 2010, 00:19

Glad it's just an opinion. Me? I wouldn't wish that kind of brainwashed thinking on my worst enemy. Free clue: Tel Aviv.

I think the above is a little harsh Unky Zook, Brainwashed?? more like looking in the wrong place.

Having said that, I have been doing some research in the areas you suggested and so far have found a few conflicting reports regarding both Tel Aviv and George Soro. Some of which are speculative at best. Do you have any links to Information that would be more credible than what Google is "throwing up"??

P.S. The quote regarding 9/11, I personally think that this may have been taken out of context but I will add that when I first heard it I was taken aback. I will not post the quote here as not to offend anyone.

Just to make you think, Maybe he doesn't want anyone knowing the truth about 9/11 because thats whats in his insurance file??? If everyone finds out then its not insurance anymore...

Teakai

3rd December 2010, 00:51

Just came across this:

"New York Times editors said Sunday that although the paper's reporters had been digging through WikiLeaks trove of 250,000 State Department cables for "several weeks," the online whistleblower wasn't the source of the documents.

But if WikiLeaks—which allegedly obtained the cables from a 22-year-old army private—wasn't the Times source, than who was? Apparently, The Guardian—one of the five newspapers that had an advanced look at the cables—supplied a copy of the cables to The Times."

From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20101129/ts_yblog_thecutline/guardian-editor-says-they-gave-cables-to-the-ny-times

ponda

3rd December 2010, 00:56

One thing that the ptb might also be worried about is all of the OTHER whistle blowers who havn't come forward as yet but are thinking about it.They will be watching how events play out very closely indeed.Judging by their reactions so far the ptb are getting very anxious about what else might be coming out in the not too distant future and are trying very hard to put a clamp on it.

One interesting observation so far is that the ptb are increasing surveillance and monitoring of the public at an incredible rate,airport scanners,ctv cameras,internet filters,wiretaps,storage of personal internet info and banking details etc the list goes on but as soon as there is a some transparency of the ptb themselves all hell breaks loose.Suddenly it's an invasion of privacy...it's illegal etc.They want no transparency for themselves but total transparency for everyone else.With a lack of transparency comes a lack of accountability.

Here is a quote by Goebbels:

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Seikou-Kishi

3rd December 2010, 01:01

Wikileaks aroused my suspicion when they 'revealed' Arab countries want the US to attack Iran... it seemed to me like trying to get people to support the Anglo-Saxon Mission and the Iran-China US-Israel thing

Ahkenaten

3rd December 2010, 01:10

when there is a dump of hundreds of thousands of pieces of information that information can easily be cherry-picked by whomever and then used to support whichever point of view they wish to catapult into the public mind. It's kind of like I am going to snow you with a few hundred thousand pieces of "truth" - then pick your truth. Even so some interesting tidbits have emerged, for example how US cluster bombs, in violation of international law, were stored in Ye Merrie Olde Englande and authorities attempted to keep that info from Parliament.

Zook

3rd December 2010, 01:18

Hi Roofie,

Glad it's just an opinion. Me? I wouldn't wish that kind of brainwashed thinking on my worst enemy. Free clue: Tel Aviv.
I think the above is a little harsh Unky Zook, Brainwashed?? more like looking in the wrong place.

Well ... I'm a truth, fairness, and justice trampoline. You jumped on those that believe that Wikileaks is a fraud by alluding to them as sheeple. Your exact words: 'I find it funny that people, "or should that be Sheeple??" are actually swallowing this tripe about Rape allegations and the supposed links to TPTB.' In the interests of fairness, I bounced you back.
:jester:

Having said that, I have been doing some research in the areas you suggested and so far have found a few conflicting reports regarding both Tel Aviv and George Soro. Some of which are speculative at best. Do you have any links to Information that would be more credible than what Google is "throwing up"??

http://mondediplo.com/2010/09/04israelbase

Just curious ... what is Wikileaks to the vast majority of us if not Google vomit? But if it is Google vomit; then why are you eager to lend it credibility and not be willing to accept other Google vomit that exposes Wikileaks as a fraud?

P.S. The quote regarding 9/11, I personally think that this may have been taken out of context but I will add that when I first heard it I was taken aback. I will not post the quote here as not to offend anyone.
Just to make you think, Maybe he doesn't want anyone knowing the truth about 9/11 because thats whats in his insurance file??? If everyone finds out then its not insurance anymore...

That's dulling Occam's Razor ... and smoking Occam's Bong, if you'll pardon my saying.

:typing:

ps: In any event, apologies never hurt no one (except maybe Arthur Fonzarelli) ... so I do apologize if you took offense.

Ahkenaten

3rd December 2010, 01:25

I think I read here in these boards somewhere that Google is merely another CIA-funded information/dossier/social-network tracking tar baby like FaceBook. Is that what you mean by 'Google Vomit' Mr. Zook?

Roofie

3rd December 2010, 02:00

Hi Roofie,

Well ... I'm a truth, fairness, and justice trampoline. You jumped on those that believe that Wikileaks is a fraud by alluding to them as sheeple. Your exact words: 'I find it funny that people, "or should that be Sheeple??" are actually swallowing this tripe about Rape allegations and the supposed links to TPTB.' In the interests of fairness, I bounced you back.
:jester:
[]I guess I had that coming...
My apologies to those I have branded sheeple...:o[

http://mondediplo.com/2010/09/04israelbase
]Thanks for the link
Just curious ... what is Wikileaks to the vast majority of us if not Google vomit? But if it is Google vomit; then why are you eager to lend it credibility and not be willing to accept other Google vomit that exposes Wikileaks as a fraud?
Out of the hundreds of conspiracy forums, blogs, websites, etc they seem to be most feared by the TPTB. Therefore I think they are legitemate.

That's dulling Occam's Razor ... and smoking Occam's Bong, if you'll pardon my saying.
I like to think outside of the box, put yourself in his position. If you had that proof "not saying he does" would you want anyone else to compromise it??

:typing:

ps: In any event, apologies never hurt no one (except maybe Arthur Fonzarelli) ... so I do apologize if you took offense.

Eyyyyyyyyy!!! Thumbs up.
:o I apologise again for the Sheeple remark, also probably a bit harsh.;)

I guess at the end of the day a majority of what any of us are researching is basically heresay anyway. Unless you were there you cant be 100% sure..

Zook

3rd December 2010, 03:02

Hi Bill,

The YouTube title:
Wikileaks a clever way to sell Propaganda by sandwiching it in with the obvious.

Shiva, you're falling for the propaganda AGAINST Wikileaks.

How is this not obvious?

I'm glad you're human! If you'd kept on being right and right and right and right ... as many times as you have been ... and missed the occasion of being wrong (I'm using poetic license, Bill, hope you understand), I'd have to question your human credentials! LOL!
:jester:

I'm happy to say that you are indeed human!

My reasoning as to why I believe Wikileaks is an out and out scam is summed up by one word: distraction.

Tel Aviv monitors all important communications worldwide (I'm pretty sure it monitors all the trivial stuff, too, but that's neither here nor there). So far, the stuff that's been released favors Tel Aviv's agenda and attempts to justify much that has transpired since 9/11/2001. Red flag right there. But here's the crux ... TMastardsTB (who own Tel Aviv) recognize that things have been going rather bad for them in terms of public awareness of their money scams. Worse, they're beyond the point of no return. They've engineered the destruction of the world's major economies and the looting of the respective treasuries, as part in parcel of their agenda for a NWO. And they have done this largely using distractive tools. On one level, these tools are of the Britney Spears, American Idol, Tiger Woods, Congressman in Argentina sex scandal variety. On another level, the traditional jingofare of Empire-spun cotton candy and patriot pomme pies (e.g. sports, entertainment, holiday consumerism, etc.). On a third level, the distraction is a fuse wire running from the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) to at least the contrapositive Koreas. The fuse was lit with 9/11/2001; and the travelling spark incinerated Iraq and Afghanistan (zigzagging back and forth a few times). Under cover of the massive distraction known as the War on Terrorism, the money launderers have continued their thing with the illicit drugs (opium, cocaine); the illicit defense contracts; the illicit paramilitary and Homeland Security contracts; the illicit corporate and banking bailouts; etc. etc. Following the fusewire and firebox to Iran then ... is she gonna blow or ain't she gonna? Distraction. She ain't blown? Then follow the fusewire to Pakistan-India (e.g. false flag Mumbai bombings) ... is he gonna blow or ain't she gonna? Distraction. She ain't blown? Okay, let's follow the fusewire to the craziness in the Koreas (the North afflicted by a bonafide cuckoo; the South by a cuckold-relationship with America) ... is she gonna blow or ain't she gonna?

Well ... at this point ... it looks like just another distraction.

But what's the purpose of these distractions, you may ask. Short answer: it keeps people occupied while TMastardsTB put the finishing touches on their engineered destruction of once economically viable sovereign states. But for what purpose, you may insist? Who really knows? But we can make informed speculations using our knowledge of the TmastardsTB proposed goal of a new world order from chaos. To wit, they are creating chaos; so they can reap the benefit by offering order, e.g. when the people get weary of the chaos. But what does this have to do with Julian Assange and Wikileaks, you may pound the desk and demand? Well ... if I have to fill in all the blanks, what's the fun in it for you? LOL! Short answer: distraction.

To wit, Wikileaks is a scam ... a false flag information stream manufactured to distract the people away from the ongoing engineered economic destructions. Juilan Assange is a false messenger of hope ... sent by the wolves to pose as a shepherd, to guide the sheep from pasture to pasture, to fatten them up for the day of shearing - or worse – the day of slaughter. Humble opinions all around.

Hope you have a good sense of humor, Bill. At the end of the day, Wikileaks is bad news (either from your perspective or mine). In such times, sometimes a laugh and a rolling of the eyes is the only mutually agreeable response.

:typing:

ps: There's a lot of stuff in the leaked material that amounts to informational chaff, e.g. to keep us busy with our sifters.

Zook

3rd December 2010, 03:19

Hi Ahkenaten,

I think I read here in these boards somewhere that Google is merely another CIA-funded information/dossier/social-network tracking tar baby like FaceBook. Is that what you mean by 'Google Vomit' Mr. Zook?

Nope. If you read back to Roofie's post, he mentioned Google 'throwing up'. I got a bit cute and converted that to Google vomit. Hope that helps.

:typing:

ps: For me Google is just a horse galloping towards the nutritious informational grasses. Toxic foxglove and other poisonous plants amidst the grasses are types of vegetation that the feeding horse is wise to spit out (and as quickly as possible).

ponda

3rd December 2010, 03:52

Zook

Anything can be a distraction if you believe it to be

This brings to mind a quote i remember from the book "Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance".It's about the only thing i remember from reading the book.

The quote is:

"People only become fanatical about something that they haven't got complete confidence in"

astrid

3rd December 2010, 05:12

who was talking about JA having a back up plan.... well u were spot on... check this out

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/12/02/eveningnews/main7111845.shtml?tag=stack

(CBS) WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has a backup plan should anything happen to him or his notorious document-dumping website. The legal net is tightening around Assange. On Thursday, Sweden's highest court turned down an appeal from his legal team, which means an international warrant for his arrest in a sexual assault case is valid, CBS News Correspondent Elizabeth Palmer reports.

(Scroll down to watch a video of this report)

Supporters of WikiLeaks around the world are downloading a file the site calls an insurance policy. The files are encrypted with a code so strong it's unbreakable, even by governments.

If anything happens to Assange or the website, a key will go out to unlock the files. There would then be no way to stop the information from spreading like wildfire because so many people already have copies.

"What most folks are speculating is that the insurance file contains unreleased information that would be especially embarrassing to the U.S. government if it were released," said Declan McCullagh, chief political correspondent for CNET, a CBS company.

In other words, the Interpol arrest warrant may eventually stop Assange but not the spread of even more Wiki-secrets.

i remember Ben Fulford saying he has the same policy......

astrid

3rd December 2010, 05:22

Maybe... this answers the 9/11 question... maybe that's part of the policy.
The man is obviously not unintelligent......

This has all become suddenly very very interesting....
i think this warrants a thread of its own....

Ahkenaten

3rd December 2010, 07:03

Hi Ahkenaten,

Nope. If you read back to Roofie's post, he mentioned Google 'throwing up'. I got a bit cute and converted that to Google vomit. Hope that helps.

:typing: THANKS!!

ps: For me Google is just a horse galloping towards the nutritious informational grasses. Toxic foxglove and other poisonous plants amidst the grasses are types of vegetation that the feeding horse is wise to spit out (and as quickly as possible).

I really liked the imagery with your "horse galloping towards the nutritious informational grasses" etc. I pictured the menagerie galloping to include giraffes, armadillos, pecadillos and other animals!

Zook

3rd December 2010, 07:55

Hi Ponda,

Zook
Anything can be a distraction if you believe it to be
This brings to mind a quote i remember from the book "Zen And The Art Of Motorcycle Maintenance".It's about the only thing i remember from reading the book.
The quote is:

"People only become fanatical about something that they haven't got complete confidence in"

Very true. And that cuts both ways.

Me? When I make an argument, debate the facts, and find no reasonable counterargument ... then it usually means something different from fanaticism. It means that I am convinced of the veracity of my argument, not that I lack confidence in it. Some people say that I am fanatical about 9/11/2001. But is it fanatical to have discovered that the neoArabian tale of Osama bin Laden and the Nineteen Saudi Sheeps is an unmitigated lie (that has lead to mortal consequences for Iraqis and Afghans; and libertarian consequences for the rest of us), and to keep reminding the people (many still sleeping) that 9/11/2001 was an Inside Job? Or is it the kind of uncompromising defense of truth, that truth deserves?

If all the credible evidence points to Julian Assange as a patsy of TMastardsTB; and Wikileaks as a vehicle for their propaganda (with a layer of separation) ... then who are really the fanatics here ... the Wikileaks offenders? Or the Wikileaks defenders?

:typing:

ponda

3rd December 2010, 09:33

Hi Ponda,

Very true. And that cuts both ways.

Me? When I make an argument, debate the facts, and find no reasonable counterargument ... then it usually means something different from fanaticism. It means that I am convinced of the veracity of my argument, not that I lack confidence in it. Some people say that I am fanatical about 9/11/2001. But is it fanatical to have discovered that the neoArabian tale of Osama bin Laden and the Nineteen Saudi Sheeps is an unmitigated lie (that has lead to mortal consequences for Iraqis and Afghans; and libertarian consequences for the rest of us), and to keep reminding the people (many still sleeping) that 9/11/2001 was an Inside Job? Or is it the kind of uncompromising defense of truth, that truth deserves?

If all the credible evidence points to Julian Assange as a patsy of TMastardsTB; and Wikileaks as a vehicle for their propaganda (with a layer of separation) ... then who are really the fanatics here ... the Wikileaks offenders? Or the Wikileaks defenders?

:typing:

Hiya zookumar

The thing is that when some major event happens it is quite possible to say that the people involved in it are being controlled by whoever you care to name.

911 is a perfect example of this.At first glance it appears that terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into the twin towers.Then when one delves a bit deeper one can start to see irregularities in the official version of events.This then can lead into many different directions.

Personally i doubt that we will ever know who or what was really behind 911.To me it appears multi layered and has some depth.

The negative influences have used it to introduce tighter control measures and to start wars but from a positive perspective it has woken a lot of people up to not only what really happened on that day but also to what else is going on in the world etc.

The same goes for Wikileaks.The ptb are using it to increase their lack of transparency and to reduce freedom of speech.From a positive view point many people are now much more aware of what the governments and military are up to and how much they lie and deceive the very people who vote them in.

At the moment i am happy to give JA and Wiki the benefit of the doubt and take them and the leaks at face value BUT with an open mind.Yes i agree with you that it is very easy to believe that they are just pawns that are being used to increase the Orwellian nightmare that the ptb seem to be guiding us to.

The ptb seem to be going to great lengths to shut Wiki down and to discredit JA.Just because there has been no leaks as yet that go against certain countries doesn't mean that those countries are behind Wiki in my honest opinion.

I suspect that when Julian Assange said that he thought that 911 was a false conspiracy he was referring to the theory that the u.s. government was solely and directly behind the 911 attacks.If that is what he was referring to then the chances are he is correct.I wouldn't base my argument just on that and that Israel might be behind Wiki because nothing has come out that goes against the Israel ptb.

If Wiki is genuine then all of the negative opinions about Wiki are nothing but disinformation.

Corncrake

3rd December 2010, 09:46

I have admired the work of Graham Hancock for a long time, however, he once was the East Africa correspondent for the Economist, does that put him in bed with the Rothschilds ? No. I have not read the Wikileaks cables other than those published in the UK's Guardian - one of a very few papers I have any respect for. More than what is being released I am so pleased to be witnessing the government getting rattled.

Bill Ryan

3rd December 2010, 10:07

I have admired the work of Graham Hancock for a long time, however, he once was the East Africa correspondent for the Economist, does that put him in bed with the Rothschilds ? No.

Benjamin Fulford used to write for Forbes Magazine. I used to do management training work for British Aerospace and PricewaterhouseCoopers. Kerry Cassidy worked for a while as a temporary admin for JPL!

Bill Ryan

3rd December 2010, 10:13

My reasoning as to why I believe Wikileaks is an out and out scam is summed up by one word: distraction.

Zook, you might be right! But I have to say that I don't think so.

Julian Assange is playing this game on a mainstream level: there's no evidence he knows or cares about 9/11, the Mars Base, or MK-Ultra. He's trying to be a mainstream counter-journalist, if you see what I mean. And he's paying the price. They are hanging him out to dry.

I have some basis for what I'm saying. An insider source I've been talking with at length - someone whose credentials I absolutely do not doubt - has been encouraging me to watch carefully what they're doing to Julian Assange and how they are 'handling' him.

The reason: he's coaching me about what to avoid and look out for, as he knows all the tricks and traps that are deployed to take someone down when they become too much of an irritant.

Bill Ryan

3rd December 2010, 10:18

norman

3rd December 2010, 10:24

Do we know anything new and paradigm shifting from Wikileaks? no.

Do we know which agenda this serves best, accidentally or not?, yes.

Move along folks.

Erin

3rd December 2010, 10:34

Exactly: they're trying to nip this in the bud - and are trying very hard indeed.

My feeling is that because Wikileaks has gotten so big, if they "neutralize" Assange, he could very well become some sort of martyr. This would obviously suck for Assange, but it could be revolutionary for the cause. Wikileaks is bigger than one man now.

Erin

3rd December 2010, 10:42

Also, this might've been mentioned already - but is it not possible that Assange has deliberately acted within the MSM paradigm in order to gain substantial credibility before going on to disclose more "esoteric" information? Something to think about.

Corncrake

3rd December 2010, 12:42

http://bit.ly/h3tvvy - interesting listening: the investigative journalist John Pilger on Julian Assange.

astrid

3rd December 2010, 13:00

Thanks Corn, great interview, John Pilger very well respected, journalist, makes a good case for supporting JA and Wikileaks work.

The One

3rd December 2010, 13:10

In the past few days the more notorious of the dumb****s that sit in the US Congress have denounced Assange as a traitor to America.What total ignorance. Assange is an Australian, not an American citizen. To be a traitor to America, one has to be of the nationality. An Australian cannot be a traitor to America any more than an American can be a traitor to Australia. But don’t expect the morons who represent the lobbyists to know this much. Mike Huckabee, the redneck baptist preacher who was governor of Arkansas and, to America’s already overwhelming shame, was third runner up to the Republican presidential nomination, has called for Assange’s execution.
Republican presidential nomination, has called for Assange’s execution. So here we have a man of God calling for the US government to murder an Australian citizen. The material leaked from the US government to WikiLeaks shows that the US government is an extremely disreputable gang of gangsters. The US government was able to get British prime minister Brown to fix the official Chilcot Investigation into how former prime minister Tony Blair manipulated and lied the British government into being mercenaries for the US invasion of Iraq. One of the diplomatic cables released has UK Defense Ministry official Jon Day promising the United States government that prime minister Brown’s government has put measures in place to protect your interests.Other cables show the US government threatening Spanish prime minister Zapatero, ordering him to stop his criticisms of the Iraq war or else. I mean, really, how dare these foreign governments to think that they are sovereign.

Anyone who believes the US government about anything is the epitome of gullibility

Zook

3rd December 2010, 14:16

Good morning Ahkenaten, teh Earth says hello!

I really liked the imagery with your "horse galloping towards the nutritious informational grasses" etc. I pictured the menagerie galloping to include giraffes, armadillos, pecadillos and other animals!

Excellent! 'Tis, indeed, a menagerie in motion!

:typing:

Google vomit
for humans in habit and hobbits hugged
by grassy knolls.
Beauty was the ladywalk
'til she fell into the rabbit hole
- far deeper than the moles -
by monthly paying ISPs,
and sometimes sailing the vast book sea
to the far wall of the 'brary wharf
(where fishers held the poles).
One got tired and left the docks,
she claimed the empty reeling spot
and hurled and hurled and caught and caught
... well ...
nothing ventured by this here poem, friend,
you've been led around by the yanking chain
of curiosity and a worried brain
... and have found naught.
So go home before it reaches end,
cracks the pen
(the thinking man)
in the inking of the denouement dot.

:jester:

Zook

3rd December 2010, 14:22

Good morning Bill, the Earth says hello!

Benjamin Fulford used to write for Forbes Magazine. I used to do management training work for British Aerospace and PricewaterhouseCoopers. Kerry Cassidy worked for a while as a temporary admin for JPL!

Well ... I'm reminded of a song by Meatloaf. (Ignore the male-female dynamic and focus on the mathematics of the song. LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JA9Qs2Mho&feature=related

:typing:

ps: If I were a spider ... Benny Fulford would have my spidey-senses tingling! Something about him that can put moss on a rolling stone (or a falling one for that matter!).

xeon

3rd December 2010, 15:20

After reading about Assange's ties with Rothschild and his ties with Soros, and hearing nothing but Wikileaks this, and Wikileaks that, I think (and this is just my opinion) that he is probably genuine, but being used as a pawn by the Rothschild faction in their feud against the Rockerfellers (the USA shadow govt).

There is supposed to be some kind of feud between these factions, but they still generally agree on many things, like 911 etc (hence no 911 exposure by Wikileaks on this).

Could this explain a lot of things, like how Assange is warning to expose Bank of America scandals...etc?

Most of the "venom" is directed at USA govt, if you notice.

Zook

3rd December 2010, 16:46

Hi Xeon,

After reading about Assange's ties with Rothschild and his ties with Soros, and hearing nothing but Wikileaks this, and Wikileaks that, I think (and this is just my opinion) that he is probably genuine, but being used as a pawn by the Rothschild faction in their feud against the Rockerfellers (the USA shadow govt).
There is supposed to be some kind of feud between these factions, but they still generally agree on many things, like 911 etc (hence no 911 exposure by Wikileaks on this).
Could this explain a lot of things, like how Assange is warning to expose Bank of America scandals...etc?
Most of the "venom" is directed at USA govt, if you notice.

Excellent observation! I, too, had the same light bulb burn wattage last nite; but didn't have enough data to pursue it with any confidence. Now that you have initiated things in that direction, I will go one further. I believe that Assange is a Rothschild agent to Fulford's Rockefeller agency. IMHO, Fulford's association with Rockefeller is highly suspicious (e.g. Fulford hiding behind some Japanese secret society and throwing arrows at Rockefeller, only to meet up with the grand old eugenics Mastard, himself, face to face, in an arranged hotel room). Let me see if I can dig up some information for you.

:typing:

Ba-ba-Ra

3rd December 2010, 17:08

Exactly: they're trying to nip this in the bud - and are trying very hard indeed.

Bill, if they're trying to nip this in the bud, why is it all over Main Street News? Most US citizens wouldn't know a thing about it otherwise, yet BLA, BLA, BLA, on MSN, yet it seems to me, mostly what's coming out is on the gossip level between between diplomats, which I'm sure is embarrassing,but hardly threatening to our security. Are they just gearing up for an excuse to take Assange down? And if so, what did he really do?

Or like Cosmiclagoon suggested, are they afraid of the info that is yet to come?

Zook

3rd December 2010, 17:16

Hi Bill,

Zook, you might be right! But I have to say that I don't think so.
Julian Assange is playing this game on a mainstream level: there's no evidence he knows or cares about 9/11, the Mars Base, or MK-Ultra. He's trying to be a mainstream counter-journalist, if you see what I mean. And he's paying the price. They are hanging him out to dry.

I have some basis for what I'm saying. An insider source I've been talking with at length - someone whose credentials I absolutely do not doubt - has been encouraging me to watch carefully what they're doing to Julian Assange and how they are 'handling' him.

The reason: he's coaching me about what to avoid and look out for, as he knows all the tricks and traps that are deployed to take someone down when they become too much of an irritant.

Yes, I don't doubt that there are lessons to be learned. And I respect your point of you. In any event, we'll have to let time cast the deciding vote. LOL!

Let us make a friendly wager (as far as wagers between two individuals linked only by electron proxy can be made ... and kept). If I turn out to be correct about JA and Wikileaks, then you sacrifice that famous fedora of yours for a whole month. And if you turn out to be correct, I'll sacrifice my protective feelings for the industrial-sized prism of Toblerone hiding in the pantry and make it disappear, triangle by triangle, from the face of this Earth! A fair wager, methinx. Wot?

:jester:

ps: It would be a big sacrifice, too. I've had protective feelings for tubby Laroni's ever since Dad charged me with taking care of that very first one. They didn't have them in industrial-size back then, at least, my sisters and I didn't come across any ... but I'd rescued many a small prism from my sisters' dungeon rooms. You see, I was a decent chap even back then ... to the point of helping out innocent, inanimate glucosidic beauties cornered by the animate beasts of my childhood!

ps: Btw, I'm free to debate others on Assange and Wikileaks; especially the Rockefeller/Rothschild factional angle with our far east finagling friend, Fulford, thrown in for amusement.

Deega

3rd December 2010, 17:22

Thank you all, very much, for posting in this Tread, are we getting nearer a certain truth about this disclosure...?

Here is another article from the Digital Journal Web Site titled "9/11 skeptics say Julian Assange being manipulated by the CIA".

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/296308

Information is unfolding, time will allow us to have a better view on this particular event.

And another link at: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/27/gordon-duff-wikileak-predictions-sticking-my-neck-out-2/

And Tel Aviv / Wikileak connection at: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wikitelaviv.php

Wikileaks: US hits back at Israel at: http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/12/wikileaks-us-hits-back-at-israel/

All my blessings.

Deega

Ahkenaten

3rd December 2010, 18:23

Why Mr. Zook you are a poet! (?) Did you visualize the pecadillos (sp?!) running with the armadillos and your horses? There are LOTS of pecadillos these days.

Doesn't the news on the MSM feed that Julian Assange is about to divulge secret govt. communications concerniing UFOs and other top-secret info change your point of view a little bit? Or do you think this is merely part of the pre-constructed propaganda narrative.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40491489/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

Ahkenaten

3rd December 2010, 18:29

Bill, if they're trying to nip this in the bud, why is it all over Main Street News? Most US citizens wouldn't know a thing about it otherwise, yet BLA, BLA, BLA, on MSN, yet it seems to me, mostly what's coming out is on the gossip level between between diplomats, which I'm sure is embarrassing,but hardly threatening to our security. Are they just gearing up for an excuse to take Assange down? And if so, what did he really do?

Or like Cosmiclagoon suggested, are they afraid of the info that is yet to come?

I must say that I don't agree that the material in Wikileaks is merely an embarassment resulting in frantic mending fences calls between Foggy Bottom (US Department of State) and foreign officials ................ taken together the Wikileaks material exposes the US Govt. as a criminal enterprise. THAT is damaging. Now if you add the current allegations that Assange is about to expose secret govt. correspondence and communications concerning UFOs - well, now that could blow the lid off the entire can of garbage, could it NOT?

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Hi Bill,

Yes, I don't doubt that there are lessons to be learned. And I respect your point of you. In any event, we'll have to let time cast the deciding vote. LOL!

Let us make a friendly wager (as far as wagers between two individuals linked only by electron proxy can be made ... and kept). If I turn out to be correct about JA and Wikileaks, then you sacrifice that famous fedora of yours for a whole month. And if you turn out to be correct, I'll sacrifice my protective feelings for the industrial-sized prism of Toblerone hiding in the pantry and make it disappear, triangle by triangle, from the face of this Earth! A fair wager, methinx. Wot?

:jester:

ps: It would be a big sacrifice, too. I've had protective feelings for tubby Laroni's ever since Dad charged me with taking care of that very first one. They didn't have them in industrial-size back then, at least, my sisters and I didn't come across any ... but I'd rescued many a small prism from my sisters' dungeon rooms. You see, I was a decent chap even back then ... to the point of helping out innocent, inanimate glucosidic beauties cornered by the animate beasts of my childhood!

ps: Btw, I'm free to debate others on Assange and Wikileaks; especially the Rockefeller/Rothschild factional angle with our far east finagling friend, Fulford, thrown in for amusement.

Mr. Zook - given the way this particular gambit is rolling out now - are you willing to up the ante on your wager?

Banshee

3rd December 2010, 18:30

...........................

bilko

3rd December 2010, 19:01

Hi everyone,
First post here:
I haven't followed this as closely as some of you but what i do get from this whole scenario is this...
If a snake wants to grow it has to shed its skin. I believe Wikileaks is the twig that the snake has attached itself to to wriggle out of it's old skin in order to grow ( in a symbolic way of course ). I believe it to be a mixed bag of falsehood and truth. Yes it is meant to be damaging to those that it outs but what emerges will be the emperor in his new suit. The supposed naked truth that we can all now trust after various sackings, reshuffles and perhaps even arrests.
Let us not forget that even though the emperor is naked ( metaphorically ), it is still the same old emperor.

Ahkenaten

3rd December 2010, 19:19

Undoubtedly the true picture is very complex and we are only getting a fragmented insight into a few layers of the cake.........................I think the main point is that, and it has been said very eloquently by many before - that truth is the ultimate enemy of the forces of evil. There is a battle going on between the forces of light and darkness, of which this particular front is just one piece. Nature abhors falsehood, and in fact LIES only exist at the debased energetic level we humans presently live on. Ultimately, I believe, TRUTH will out. This is what is at stake here, regardless of the twisting and turning and manipulating going on. This is the highest value of electronic communications - yay - communications of all kinds, that is the chance for people to consciously evolve beyond the LIE in which we are imprisoned. The stakes are obviously VERY HIGH. Certain factions do not want the human spirit and mind so long imprisoned within a false mind/body/power construct to free itself from its golden chains. Therefor, every effort will be made to keep us enslaved, in ignorance, in the LIE. Enormous efforts are being made by TPTB now to choke off the very impulse towards truth and transparency .......... but have no fear. TRUTH will out - the LIE is against nature itself.

Zook

3rd December 2010, 20:28

Why Mr. Zook you are a poet! (?) Did you visualize the pecadillos (sp?!) running with the armadillos and your horses? There are LOTS of pecadillos these days.

Know something ... I didn't. I visualized peccaries instead! Go figure. But peccadillos are much better! How very, very true. We do indeed carry our own internal biases around with us. Indeed, the menagerie can be further expanded to include greyhounds and weiner dogs; condors and sandpipers; blue whales and minnows; and of course ... Secretariat and Rocinante!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2KfxdjjvDE&feature=related

... and Rocinante ...

http://maximilianobaratero.com.ar/grande/Don%20Quijote%20y%20Rocinante.medida%20a%20confirmar.%20Tinta%20china%20sobre%20papel%20(pincel%20se co)_resize.jpg

Doesn't the news on the MSM feed that Julian Assange is about to divulge secret govt. communications concerniing UFOs and other top-secret info change your point of view a little bit? Or do you think this is merely part of the pre-constructed propaganda narrative.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40491489/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/

Count me in for pre-constructed propaganda narrative, Ahks.

:typing:

ps: I don't support horse racing anymore (IMHO, there's not much difference in beating a horse if it doesn't want to race or beating a dog if it doesn't want to fight, e.g. Michael Vick). Animal abuse, period.

Zook

3rd December 2010, 20:34

I must say that I don't agree that the material in Wikileaks is merely an embarassment resulting in frantic mending fences calls between Foggy Bottom (US Department of State) and foreign officials ................ taken together the Wikileaks material exposes the US Govt. as a criminal enterprise. THAT is damaging. Now if you add the current allegations that Assange is about to expose secret govt. correspondence and communications concerning UFOs - well, now that could blow the lid off the entire can of garbage, could it NOT?
[...]
Mr. Zook - given the way this particular gambit is rolling out now - are you willing to up the ante on your wager?

Sure. Just means more chocola- ... er ... more potential sacrifice for me.

:typing:

Ahkenaten

3rd December 2010, 22:07

I loved that horse Secretariat.................I love horses, period! Don't bet on them though! OK so we'll see how it all plays out Mr. Zook. Swiss Chocolate, not surprisingly, is where it is at, I hear. We better check with Bill on that though. Whenever the full forces of hate are directed at anyone it is very telling about those doing the directing. Remember when Ross Perot ran for Prez in the US? The sheer hatred and vituperation unleashed on him by the entrenched system was far, far more interesting than Perot as a candidate or a person because of what it revealed about those who got their panties in a bunch over the fact that he DARED insert himself into that particular horse race. Thanks for correcting my spelling mistake I am notorious when I am racing at warp-speed.

Carmody

3rd December 2010, 23:15

In my opinion, There is no way that Julian is tied to TPTB or that the info he is releasing is not damaging to them. Websites that are making siad claims are either, "Jealous they aren't receiving the amount of hits Wiki is/was" or "Part of a disinfo campaign to confuse or turn those of us who do look to Alternative Media for News". I find it funny that people, "or should that be Sheeple??" are actually swallowing this tripe about Rape allegations and the supposed links to TPTB. Yes he is a bit of an Egomaniac but sometimes it take someone like this to do what no one else has had the cajones to do. He has put his life on the line to bring you the truth and some of you are trying your best to discredit him.
I would go as far as saying that Julian is a modern day superhero without the cape, although he does does have an awful haircut!!!

End Rant..

As far as dealing with things and being humble. yes, with as much as he's got on his plate, I'm sure that he has parried every kind of thrust that you can imagine, so he has learned to cut or nip problematic situations/interview questions in the bud. This, with regard to directions that things might take. So he cuts to the quick and does it fast. This might seem arrogant to some, when it is merely correct and prudent. Expedient as well.

He's also a programmer/hacker.., I know more than a few, and I gotta tell you...they don't suffer social niceties gladly.

Elixer

4th December 2010, 00:01

I love the idea of Wikileaks, but...
By dumping this much data, anyone can pick and choose from it what they want
(as has been said here earlier).

What has been picked and chosen by the good old MSM so far is, that
- The US simply has to go to war with Iran since all its neighbors are calling for it and because
- The diplomatic option is off the table, since US diplomats have been severely discredited by the leak.
- Through the info in the recent dump the officials have been able to say all the things about foreign politicians that they might always have wanted to say, but couldn't.
- The fact that Hilary is exposed is an added bonus (and would suggest a WL-Rothchild connection, rather than a WL-Rockefeller one (if they even are opposing force at all...)).
- The WL dumps do give 'them' a great excuse to clamp down on internet freedom (as has also been said here).
I expected the 'them' to seize the opportunity after they had used the previous dump to get into Pakistan and then rollout the much dreaded internet2. That didn't quite pan out.

I think a case can also be made for Assange being in league with US intelligence agency, since the MSM conclusions of the WL dump are in line with the agenda.
The smear campaign against Assange is exactly what we would expect to see if it were genuine, so could be argued to be part of the plot to stage this hoax. If they didn't do the ad hominim attacks we'd all know he was a stooge.

Is Assange becoming the Bin Laden of the infowar?
He's a great threat, possibly CIA created, nowhere to be found, yet appearing in interviews and releasing timely datadumps. Another elusive bogeyman we're being told to fear.

I don't actually believe this hoax-scenario to be true and sure hope it isn't, but I would say that it is somewhat irresponsible to dump this much secret data on the world, knowing how the MSM and the PTW are going to react to it. Plus the way WL has been handling this makes it easy for this type of discussion to arise.
The least WL should do imo, is provide a narrative along with the data. Who indeed has time and resources to weed through this much information, but big organisations? Thus allowing 'them' to create the narrative for us and spread doubt about WL's authenticity.
Let's hope they learn from experience for the next dump.

Ahkenaten

4th December 2010, 00:30

I don't follow your logic when you say that a case can be made for Assange being in league with US Intelligence (I wonder about that term) Agencies due to Main Streat Media's cherry-picking of certain information supporting certain powerful factions' strategic military and political objectives. That doesn't make sense! Main Stream Media is a tool of Corporations - as for the IQ agencies - well, I do not think they have sorted out amongst themselves WHO they are working for because they are factionalized. If we were to know the TRUTH about those factions and what they represent, THAT would probably cut to the heart of the reasons for all the secrecy.............................

Why not get off the figure of Assange and focus instead on the damaging information. THAT is the important point here - the information. Knowledge (information) is POWER. In this case, we come to know the larger and more complex truths driving HIStory.

Why should Wikileaks provide a narrative. Isn't that the job of journalists, if any genuine ones even exist? The facts, as complex, overlapping and contradictory as they seem, are the heart of the matter. It is a disgrace that these revelations come from a source like Wikileaks and that the press, supposedly the Guardian of Democracy, long ago abdicated the field of fact-finding, investigative journalism, and truth-saying for purience, pandering and boot-licking exercises.

ponda

4th December 2010, 00:37

Good point Ahkenaten.

Yes the information is of most importance here.Not only is it very important but it is a huge and unpredictable game changer

Ahkenaten

4th December 2010, 00:42

Yes Ponda It is a key hallmark of propaganda and manipulation when concerted efforts are made to sidetrack discussion by personalizing an issue and then demonizing individuals. Those tactics are proven methods of gathering together and capturing undeveloped minds, putting razor wire around the truth. Let us therefor recognize this and let us not go there. The facts are what are important, as Jack Webb said 'I want the facts, m'am. Just the facts.'

norman

4th December 2010, 00:51

The 'personalisation' has already happened. Why are we all talking about Julian Assange instead of Wikileaks the web site?

Ahkenaten

4th December 2010, 00:56

Yes, Norman - sadly that is true, and here, amongst active practitioners of alternative media. See how susceptible we are to the spin effect? We must not be taken in by the usual tactics. This particular vignette is a very, very significant one otherwise it would not have gotten all the oxygen from govts, so-called public (pubic) figures and agencies that it has, we should all be assured of that.

Martin

4th December 2010, 01:03

The least WL should do imo, is provide a narrative along with the data.

My guess is that Wikileaks is the narrative in question here. At least a stage is set up around it. What ever that means. We just have to look at what comes out of it. Up until now: not much. But the theme seems to be quit polarising. If Wikileaks can be of any help then it primarily needs to reach the brains of the the people not the ears and eyes. Is Assange or Wikileaks able to do that? Well, I did not mange to catch it ... till now.

MfG

Martin

Ahkenaten

4th December 2010, 01:13

We should be mindful of the spin and the purpose for it and step outside the paradigm to look at the facts which will lead us to the truth.

Zook

4th December 2010, 01:42

Hi Ahkenaten,

I don't follow your logic when you say that a case can be made for Assange being in league with US Intelligence (I wonder about that term) Agencies due to Main Streat Media's cherry-picking of certain information supporting certain powerful factions' strategic military and political objectives.

The logic is sound, Ahks. Three words: Zionist Occupied Government. ZOG, for short. Of course, whenever I make the argument of Zionist hegemony, I'm obliged to disclaim that Zionists are powerhungry false flag Jews and not the ordinary righteous Jews that adhere to Judaic traditions, ethics, and tolerances of others ... obliged to disclaim (so conditioned are we sheeple to accept the the false equation of antiZionism with antiSemitism). Assange, being a Rothschild stooge (the proof is ample if one cares to study it objectively) ... is, by extension, necessarily a Zionist stooge. After all, the Rothschilds funded the modern Zionist movement from its inception, to its promotion and codification (e.g. Balfour Declaration) all the way to the establishment of the fascist state of Israel (using the manufactured contrived false slogan of 'a land without a people for a people without a land').

To wit, logic is the convergence of the ZOG, the Zionist founders; and the Zionist stooge.

That doesn't make sense! Main Stream Media is a tool of Corporations - as for the IQ agencies - well, I do not think they have sorted out amongst themselves WHO they are working for because they are factionalized. If we were to know the TRUTH about those factions and what they represent, THAT would probably cut to the heart of the reasons for all the secrecy............................. Why not get off the figure of Assange and focus instead on the damaging information. THAT is the important point here - the information. Knowledge (information) is POWER. In this case, we come to know the larger and more complex truths driving HIStory.
Why should Wikileaks provide a narrative. Isn't that the job of journalists, if any genuine ones even exist? The facts, as complex, overlapping and contradictory as they seem, are the heart of the matter.

The one major flaw in your reasoning, Ahks, can be be illustrated with a simple metaphor. Suppose you fell into a ten-foot deep hole. Suppose you had a rope and grappling hook that was just long enough to get you out of the hole. Now, suppose someone ties six knots in your rope, reducing the overall length of [rope and grappling hook] to nine feet ... a foot short of being useful. What do you have to do? Correct! You have to untie all the knots before you get a useful [rope and grappling hook] again. Therein lies the narrative. The narrative is the effort required to untie the six knots.

To wit, Wikileaks without a narrative ... or with a false narrative ... is propaganda.

It is a disgrace that these revelations come from a source like Wikileaks and that the press, supposedly the Guardian of Democracy, long ago abdicated the field of fact-finding, investigative journalism, and truth-saying for purience, pandering and boot-licking exercises.

It is more than a disgrace, Ahks .. it was engineered to be this way. Humble opinions all around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_CC-t_pwH0

:typing:

Ahkenaten

4th December 2010, 01:55

Zook

4th December 2010, 02:04

But Zook while the particular faction of whom you speak surely is a significant player in current events one must not be misled into looking at the world through a prism that is a star with six points! (colored glasses) - while I agree to a point with your logical method I, with respect do not agree with your conclusions. I think the key lies in the concept of factions................factions we dimly sense in conflict with one another. Factions that may have, until recently, had every reason to quietly work together in a detente behind the scenes but whom, for whatever reason, now find themselves again, warring with one another behind the scenes, and the signs of that conflict are seeping through. Do you understand what I am saying? Factions that one would think would be bitter ideological and historical enemies.

True enough, Ahks. But you'll agree that you are asking me to accept fractionation (and resulting factions) as an article of faith.

You bring the evidence (and I'm not saying that it does or does not exist) ... but you bring the evidence of factions and I'll be the first in line to wanna have a peek. I mean, without the evidence, who can really tell if this apparent fractionation in TMastardTB is genuine and not a delaying tactic to give time for the chaos to saturate ( from which their NWO can emerge, e.g. with less resistance than, say, in the absence of saturation)?

:typing:

Ahkenaten

4th December 2010, 03:35

OK Zook - will do!

Corncrake

4th December 2010, 09:54

Great summary the attacks this week on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/ibpzu

Bill Ryan

4th December 2010, 11:28

The 'personalisation' has already happened. Why are we all talking about Julian Assange instead of Wikileaks the web site?

Many thanks, Norman - this is exactly the point.

Watch who comes next. Alex Jones? David Icke? Jordan Maxwell?

Anyone else you can think of? :)

Zook

4th December 2010, 12:57

Good morning Norman, the Earth says hello!

The 'personalisation' has already happened. Why are we all talking about Julian Assange instead of Wikileaks the web site?

I can only speak for myself; but I've not focused on the individual messenger, Julian Assange, without also focusing on Wikileaks (e.g. a band of messengers as well as a website). Indeed, JA is merely the face of Wikileaks, itself the current popular face of false flag alternative news. You can't discuss the living body without also discussing its face. Once its head (and face) are decapitated ... it's no longer a living body. To wit, as long as Wikileaks is alive; then its face is part of the discussion. FWIW, JA himself acknowledges that he is merely the chosen face of WL. (I found a video yesterday attesting to this very fact; so many videos of JA out there, that I'll have to search for it; will do so and post it here only if requested).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEAxzOtDO9c&feature=related

We can establish one more thing here, now. Russia Today, like Al Jazeera, is a fake alternative news outlet! Follow the money trail (and I haven't done so yet) and you'll likely find an intelligence organization (e.g. Mossad or CIA (which is more or less the same thing)). The first free clue is the news template: beautiful babes with enormous personalities *wink wink nudge nudge* giggling up an apparent news tempest in a tea cup! For real news, give me Helen Thomas any day! I mean, folks, use your sense of discernment! You weren't born with it merely to avoid haggis, sauerkraut, and David Hasselhoff stirring up intellectual conversation with a harem of beach babes!

:typing:

Dale

4th December 2010, 13:08

I can only speak for myself; but I've not focused on the individual messenger, Julian Assange, without also focusing on Wikileaks (e.g. a band of messengers as well as a website). Indeed, JA is merely the face of Wikileaks, the face of false flag alternative news. You can't discuss the living body without also discussing its face. Once its head (and face) are decapitated ... it's no longer a living body.

Here's my first, thoughtful post on the Julian Assange/Wikileaks saga.

Firstly, I find most of these "disclosures" put out by Wikileaks as quite boring, for lack of a better term. Only surface level, black suit chatter. Nothing of alarming substance, nor value.

With that said, I feel this Julian Assange fellow is being made the face of "snooping on Big Brother." Of course, as he is now the face of such an activity, he must be made an example of. He must be demonized, criminalized, and much everything in between; deterring any future individuals from pursuing such a path.

As for Mr. Assange, I feel he's a confused fellow, not truly understanding the inner-workings of much of anything; and I feel this is the reason he's being made the example. He's a perfect face for a mainstream audience to recognize as a "dangerous conspirator," without any frightening information being leaked out.

Deega

4th December 2010, 16:01

The 'personalisation' has already happened. Why are we all talking about Julian Assange instead of Wikileaks the web site?

Thanks Norman,

IMHO, Wikileaks is the instrument, the means to published the information.

And this instrument need to have a leader that will make the decision on publishing or not, so it is the other way around, we have to concentrate on the leader Assange! Concentrating on Wikileaks will get one nowhere!

IMHO, I think that Assange have to live, he need money to live, so he could have sided (secret contracts, or else) with different organizations (CIA, MOSSAD, other) for the purpose of diffusing information that will set the attention elsewhere, could serve the US interests, the Israel interests, or other national interests.

Interesting articles are coming out and it should enlightened us on this critical event. We don't have to take sides (for or against Assange), we need to get the information to have a better judgment on what is at stake here, who is behind this, who will benefit from it, and what will be the results of this disclosure.

Have no wary, TPB will used Assange the best they can, probably, we are in for surprises, hopefully, if the real truth comes out.

All my blessings.

Deega

Ba-ba-Ra

4th December 2010, 18:51

Here's my first, thoughtful post on the Julian Assange/Wikileaks saga.

Firstly, I find most of these "disclosures" put out by Wikileaks as quite boring, for lack of a better term. Only surface level, black suit chatter. Nothing of alarming substance, nor value.

With that said, I feel this Julian Assange fellow is being made the face of "snooping on Big Brother." Of course, as he is now the face of such an activity, he must be made an example of. He must be demonized, criminalized, and much everything in between; deterring any future individuals from pursuing such a path.

As for Mr. Assange, I feel he's a confused fellow, not truly understanding the inner-workings of much of anything; and I feel this is the reason he's being made the example. He's a perfect face for a mainstream audience to recognize as a "dangerous conspirator," without any frightening information being leaked out.

Thank you for saying what I've been thinking, only couldn't phrase in such a logical, succinct way.

IMHO, MSN is very good at burying what they don't want us to be focusing on. Just the fact that they are keeping this in the forefront of the news, makes me suspicious as to their motives - and once again they keep us divided as to whether he's good, bad or otherwise, and following their arrows, rather than looking behind the picture they are painting for us. Best to stay out of the emotions of it.

norman

4th December 2010, 20:20

...... Just the fact that they are keeping this in the forefront of the news, makes me suspicious as to their motives

There has been quite a lot of "EVIDENCE" that 9/11 was not what we were officially told. Has the Main stream Media shoved it onto the front burners and made a big deal out of it?

Naaaaaaaa

Ahkenaten

4th December 2010, 20:52

I wonder if anyone on Avalon has read all 200K + documents in order to state unequivocally that the information disclosed on Wikileaks is of no real interest to anyone? Apparently Joe Lieberman doesn't think so - clearly he thinks the fact that Wikileaks even exists poses a clear and imminent threat to...........................to the interests he serves.

Deega

4th December 2010, 21:09

Hi,

Continued information, the Telegraph have produced a Wikileaks page, one may get plenty of information there.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/

All my blessings.

Deega

Snowbird

4th December 2010, 23:51

Excellent observation! I, too, had the same light bulb burn wattage last nite; but didn't have enough data to pursue it with any confidence. Now that you have initiated things in that direction, I will go one further. I believe that Assange is a Rothschild agent to Fulford's Rockefeller agency. IMHO, Fulford's association with Rockefeller is highly suspicious (e.g. Fulford hiding behind some Japanese secret society and throwing arrows at Rockefeller, only to meet up with the grand old eugenics Mastard, himself, face to face, in an arranged hotel room). Let me see if I can dig up some information for you.

:typing:

This is the association between the Fulfords and the Rockefellers.

FULFORD: My great grandfather was G.T. Fulford. He was one of the richest men in the world - George Taylor Fulford. You can find him on Wikipedia. He was one of the richest men on Earth, and he was the largest single shareholder in General Electric.

He was going to finance Nikola Tesla, but he was murdered by the Rockefellers in 1905. It was made to look like a car accident.

RENSE: Your grandfather.

FULFORD: Great grandfather.

RENSE: Great grandfather. So really! Wow.

FULFORD: And the family fortune was stolen. My grandfather was only three years old at the time. The family fortune was taken over by the Rockefellers. My grandfather didn't know how to suspend his assets.

I am telling the Rockefellers right now, they can think of me as the ghost of G.T. Fulford, come back over a century - from four generations - to get justice.

http://www.rense.com/general77/fulf.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Taylor_Fulford

Carmody

5th December 2010, 19:52

When you go to a bank, to sign a mortgage, or large loan, or whatever.. look closely at the funding source, the true funding source. I've seen the name General Electric pop up a VERY interesting number of times. This, with paperwork - loans being done at major banks.

Ahkenaten

5th December 2010, 20:07

I know this is off topic, but Carmody with the deregulation of the banking industry everyone got into the act.............anyone can start a bank. Maybe we should start a Project Avalon Credit Union? Only half-joking. Now would be the time to do it - at least we could print up money for ourselves. I bet almost every rock you look under these days has a corporate logo hiding there..................of course that is only somewhat meaningful because in reality we are all mortgaged, and I mean our physical persons - to China.

Deega

5th December 2010, 22:26

This is the association between the Fulfords and the Rockefellers.

FULFORD: My great grandfather was G.T. Fulford. He was one of the richest men in the world - George Taylor Fulford. You can find him on Wikipedia. He was one of the richest men on Earth, and he was the largest single shareholder in General Electric.

He was going to finance Nikola Tesla, but he was murdered by the Rockefellers in 1905. It was made to look like a car accident.

RENSE: Your grandfather.

FULFORD: Great grandfather.

RENSE: Great grandfather. So really! Wow.

FULFORD: And the family fortune was stolen. My grandfather was only three years old at the time. The family fortune was taken over by the Rockefellers. My grandfather didn't know how to suspend his assets.

I am telling the Rockefellers right now, they can think of me as the ghost of G.T. Fulford, come back over a century - from four generations - to get justice.

http://www.rense.com/general77/fulf.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Taylor_Fulford

Thanks Snowbird,

Great!, we will have other references to look at, thank again.

All my blessings.

Deega

Zook

6th December 2010, 01:52

Hi Snowbird,

This is the association between the Fulfords and the Rockefellers.

FULFORD: My great grandfather was G.T. Fulford. He was one of the richest men in the world - George Taylor Fulford. You can find him on Wikipedia. He was one of the richest men on Earth, and he was the largest single shareholder in General Electric. He was going to finance Nikola Tesla, but he was murdered by the Rockefellers in 1905. It was made to look like a car accident.
RENSE: Your grandfather.
FULFORD: Great grandfather.
RENSE: Great grandfather. So really! Wow.
FULFORD: And the family fortune was stolen. My grandfather was only three years old at the time. The family fortune was taken over by the Rockefellers. My grandfather didn't know how to suspend his assets.
I am telling the Rockefellers right now, they can think of me as the ghost of G.T. Fulford, come back over a century - from four generations - to get justice.

http://www.rense.com/general77/fulf.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Taylor_Fulford

Somewhat ironically, I think you'll find an appropriate rebuttal to the above here at Rense:

http://www.rense.com/general82/dwfe.htm

***************************beginExcerpt*********** ***********
Dear David,

This is a letter of apology and explanation for my rant on YouTube that I added to my interview of you.

When we met last November, I instantly felt a strong spiritual connection. It is as if I had just met somebody who could have been my life-long best friend. Our families have been connected, I believe, for over a century. I am sure that my great-grandfather was a close friend of your grand-father. We know that William Lyon Mackenzie King was your father's best friend and my father's God-father. Also, after my brother Wilder got his PHD from Rockefeller University both you and your brother?Nelson offered him jobs. He ended up taking Nelson's offer to work with Mr. Wolfenson and Paul Volcker. Finally, your nephew Jay, just like me, has a strong connection to Japan.

Also, although I have never been very religious in the classic sense of the word, I truly and sincerely believe that the spirit of my great grandfather, through some process our science cannot yet explain, tried to contact you through me.

The subjective experiences I had of his contact were so real and so strong and so beyond my normal ability to imagine things that I felt obliged to send you his message. He truly and genuinely seemed worried about your soul. Also, because of the extra-ordinary things I experienced, I believe I really was shown memories of what heaven is like. I hope you felt a presence other than Benjamin Fulford when I met you.
********************************* end *******************************

It's obvious that the Rockefellers and the Fulfords are connected in a major way over several generations; and not always in an adversarial way (as your excerpt seems to imply). Indeed, the two families often did favors for each other.

:typing:

ps: IMHO, Benjamin Fulford was performing an orchestrated three-step favor for David Rockefeller. First by interviewing him in Japan; then by attacking him on youtube; then by apologizing to him for the youtube video. For what purpose? Who knows ... but the apology teases us with the intriguing idea that David Rockefeller is a human unit capable of being redeemed. Five years short of the century mark ... and with six decades of death and destruction behind him ... and we're supposed to entertain the concept of David Rockefeller's redemption?

ps2: Btw, where's your proof that the Rockefellers ordered the hit against Benjamin Fulford's forbear? Ben Fulford's words? You'll have to forgive my healthy skepticism, but isn't it possible that Great Grandfather Fulford died in an ordinary car accident and the Rockefeller family used the occasion to move in on the late Fulford's estate, you know, as any family coursing the blood of vultures would be expected to do? Do you seriously think that if TPTB of the day had blacklisted Tesla (and they did) ... that anyone from their ranks (here, General Electric majority owner Fulford certainly would have been from their ranks) ... would seriously jeopardize membership in the industrial cartel by financing Tesla? Seems to me that Ben Fulford has a vivid imagination, one with the ability to channel the ghost of his great grandfather and relay messages to David Rockefeller.

ps3: FWIW, Ben Fulford appears to be either a member or an associate of Japanese freemasonry. My jaw dropped when he posed with a Japanese secret society book in one of his youtube videos; the front cover showed the masonic lodge iconography! Let me see if I can find that video again for you.

Here is the video in question. You can watch the whole thing, but the key infio is in the first four or five minutes:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3704527408635856046#

Two possibilities in all this, IMHO.

Either Ben Fulford is a genuine white hat who has found his conscience after his experiences at Forbes and his family`s associations with the Rockefellers.
Or he is the Lawrence Olivier of false flag white hats ... a great actor.

I can't say either way with great confidence; but from what I have researched so far, give the man an honorary Oscar, a Peabody award, and a Pulitzer Prize in advance just in case he decides to write a book about his life!