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Tangri
23rd December 2015, 23:09
From http://www.unmuseum.org/siriusb.htm :

In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. According to their traditions, the star Sirius has a companion star which is invisible to the human eye. This companion star has a 50 year elliptical orbit around the visible Sirius and is extremely heavy. It also rotates on its axis.

This legend might be of little interest to anybody but the two French anthropologists, Marcel Griaule and Germain Dieterlen, who recorded it from four Dogon priests in the 1930's. Of little interest except that it is exactly true. How did a people who lacked any kind of astronomical devices know so much about an invisible star? The star, which scientists call Sirius B, wasn't even photographed until it was done by a large telescope in 1970.

The Dogon stories explain that also. According to their oral traditions, a race people from the Sirius system called the Nommos visited Earth thousands of years ago. The Nommos were ugly, amphibious beings that resembled mermen and mermaids. They also appear in Babylonian, Accadian, and Sumerian myths. The Egyptian Goddess Isis(again this dirty word appears one of my post), who is sometimes depicted as a mermaid, is also linked with the star Sirius.

The Nommos, according to the Dogon legend, lived on a planet that orbits another star in the Sirius system. They landed on Earth in an "ark" that made a spinning decent to the ground with great noise and wind. It was the Nommos that gave the Dogon the knowledge about Sirius B.

The legend goes on to say the Nommos also furnished the Dogon's with some interesting information about our own solar system: That the planet Jupiter has four major moons, that Saturn has rings and that the planets orbit the sun. These were all facts discovered by Westerners only after Galileo invented the telescope.

The story of the Dogon and their legend was first brought to popular attention by Robert K.G. Temple in a book published in 1977 called The Sirius Mystery. Science writer Ian Ridpath and astronomer Carl Sagan made a reply to Temple's book, suggesting that this modern knowledge about Sirius must have come from Westerners who discussed astronomy with the Dogon priests. The priests then included this new information into the older traditions. This, in turn, mislead the anthropologists.

This is a possibility considering Sirius B's existence was suspected as early as 1844 and seen was through a telescope in 1862. It doesn't seem to explain a 400-year old Dogon artifact that apparently depicts the Sirius configuration nor the ceremonies held by the Dogon since the 13th century to celebrate the cycle of Sirius A and B. It also doesn't explain how the Dogons knew about the super-density of Sirius B, a fact only discovered a few years before the anthropologists recorded the Dogon stories.

It is also important to remember that although many parts of the Dogon legends seem to ring true, other portions are clearly mistaken. One of the Dogon's beliefs is that Sirius B occupied the place where our Sun is now. Physics clearly prohibits this. Also, if the Dogon believe that Sirius B orbits Sirius A every 50 years, why do they hold their celebrations every 60 years?

Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky and can easily be seen in the winter months in the northern hemisphere. Look for the constellation Orion. Orion's belt are the three bright stars in a row. Follow an imaginary line through the three stars to Sirius which is just above the horizon. It is bluish in color.

Sirius is only 8.6 light years from Earth. Astronomer W.Bessel was the first to suspect that Sirius had an invisible companion when he observed that the path of the star wobbled. In the 1920's it was determined that Sirius B, the companion of Sirius, was a "white dwarf" star. The pull of its gravity caused Sirius's wavy movement.

White dwarfs are small, dense stars that burn dimly. Sirius B is, in fact, smaller than the planet Earth. One teaspoon of Sirius B is so dense that it weighs 5 tons.

So did alien fish-men pay a visit to ancient Earth and give the Dogon their knowledge? Or was the Dogon's culture contaminated by western visitors? Or could the Dogon's have had ancient technical or non-technical means to find this information out? Or is the whole thing just a matter of coincidence?

The question maybe settled as larger and more powerful telescopes take a look at the Sirius system. According to the legend there is a third star: Sirius C, and it is around Sirius C that the home planet of the Nommos orbits. Most scientists do not consider any part of the Sirius system a prime candidate for life, though.

Tangri
23rd December 2015, 23:12
Dogon Tribe; wall writings and houses

Ellisa
23rd December 2015, 23:46
This has to be one of the most puzzling stories of ancient knowledge anywhere. So many of the indigenous tribes and peoples of the world had/have these myths and legends that we ignore---until they are confirmed by our own knowledge. It is very arrogant of us. Maybe the Dogon were right about the fish-men too. Such beings appear in many ancient stories including our own. Do mermaids represent a trace of our own tribal memory?

Cidersomerset
24th December 2015, 00:52
I did a thread or a post on another thread about the Dogon a few years ago.
and their relationship with Sirius. Freeman and other did research into this subject.

In Search Of The Dark Star the Dogon AFRICAN TRIBE sirius planet star x

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The Dogon: An Ancient Egyptian Tribe

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Published on 9 Feb 2015

Follow along with Laird Scranton as he talks about his book "The Science of the
Dogon". This interview touches on mysterious astronomical knowledge that the
tribe has possessed for centuries. Topics of conversation include John A West,
Robert Temple, and the connection of the Dogon to the ancient Egyptians.

Verdilac
24th December 2015, 03:02
Great piece Tangri. I don't think western visitors have contaminated the basic facts, embellishment of what has been translated is unfortunately unavoidable to a certain extent but they have something deep rooted in there culture that the general population has long since lost, forgotten or give up on.

The Dogon, there culture & location ask a lot of questions that cannot be answered by the rational or even debunked by the cynical.

One such mystery is some of there ancient locations near Mali having the same longitude as quite a few stone circles in the UK & British isles, which I though were coincidence till I found out more about the people, stories & culture.

I think there story is massive and for the most part untold and I'm sure we are only getting a brief outline of parts of things that have happened and been passed down, the full story from them would really be something to behold to the open minded.

Who wants to visit them & ask them In person ? I could certainly do with an adventure...

Tyy1907
24th December 2015, 03:03
This has to be one of the most puzzling stories of ancient knowledge anywhere. So many of the indigenous tribes and peoples of the world had/have these myths and legends that we ignore---until they are confirmed by our own knowledge. It is very arrogant of us. Maybe the Dogon were right about the fish-men too. Such beings appear in many ancient stories including our own. Do mermaids represent a trace of our own tribal memory?

Nothing puzzling here, it's simple, the Dogons are connected to Sirius. Certain Native Americans spoke of "the ant people". The truth is with these people's.

Recently I came across a library book that my 9 year old had signed out from her school library. In it it went into detail about a group of scientists who started investigating anomalous sound signatures in the ocean. Sounds that were way beyond the ordinary fish/mammals they were aware of. Long story short it lead them to a complex language that was attributed to "mermaids" as they're known. It described their appearance as quite human but not having hair as we know it.

What took me a back was that this book seemed to be TELLING kids that this was discovered. Targeting children. It was highly unusual. Maybe I'll ask my kid to sign it out again and get the name of it.

Karpos
24th December 2015, 10:25
"So did alien fish-men pay a visit to ancient Earth and give the Dogon their knowledge? Or was the Dogon's culture contaminated by western visitors? Or could the Dogon's have had ancient technical or non-technical means to find this information out? Or is the whole thing just a matter of coincidence?"

Temple based his book off of the some french guys' interaction with one tribesmen. Later studies of Dogon people/elders prove their works to be a bit shoddy at best.

For the flip side of this Dogon (not so) mystery, see Michael Heiser's article about it, including some anecdotes by another person who spent time with the Dogon Elders ... --
http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2011/06/the-sirius-mystery-you-dont-columbo-for-this-one/

who "after years spent becoming accepted by the Dogon, he ( Walter E. A. van Beek ) began to carefully expose them to the ideas that Griaule had “learned” from Ogotemmelli, only to have his Dogon friends burst out laughing! One of the major services is van Beek’s lengthy descriptions (with illustrations) of how Griaule came to create the myths of the Dogon himself (which were uncritically absorbed by Temple and passed on to the populace in his book). Basically, there was a good amount of cultural mis-communication."

I don't doubt ancient narratives like these, because there are so many, but the Dogon one seems to have been demystified for me. Speaking of which, another good deconstruction can be found here (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread326227/pg1)

Atlas
24th December 2015, 12:09
During my recent stay in Dogon country, I had the opportunity to interview the Hogon, which is the Dogon's chief and spiritual master. The villagers said that he is over 95 years old and is the oldest in the Dogon village which makes him the Hogon. Questions that were asked were

1. Explain the origins of the Dogon

2.Why Dogon people are deflecting their ideginous religion and turning to Christianity and Islam

3.I asked about Sirius C the female dwarf star and the amma. Does it prefigure the four mythological elements of water, fire, wind, and earth and how it constitutes the four cardinal directions of space

4. And if he had any predictions or advice for Africans across the globe including the diaspora.

Please excuse my guide/ cameraman/ translator. At times during translation, he couldnt hold the camera still. I hope you enjoy and learn. This is authentic Dogon spiritual wisdom that is being dropped in this video.
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