Memory Beyond

[Falien]

Well i have memories before this world.
I sought help for many years because of them.
Sadly i have not been treated well by other so i don't talk much.

I actually remember the creation of my soul.
Yet it wasn't a good feeling.
I have memories when i was being incarnated to this world.
It wasn't by choice.

Actually i wasn't even meant to be incarnated to this world.
It was punishment for standing up to my superior.
The group i belong to which actually sicken me looks down on other life forms.
I however question this view.
I didn't understand why one can't see everyone as equals regardless if there not the same species as us.
Needless to say that seal my fate, i was even force against the counsel of the group and sentence to pay for my crimes.

I could go on the speak of the torture they put me through and why they not only decided this world to punish me yet also the vessel they put me into.
Yet from my experience less i say maybe better.
I have also been told by many other have my ability and such were seal away.
That i was completely block from being to help myself from this situation (thought i been trying regardless to change things).

I would like to distance myself to the group that harm me so greatly.
If it not too much trouble could i speak to one of your et group to see if there is any help for me.
I really have no place to turn to.
The group that want to pay dearly have shown themselves a few times making it clear that there is no escape for me.
Even thought now i have a great hatred in my heart i still can't look at other as lesser simply because there different.
This doesn't go well with the group i was part of that sentence me to this place.

I just want at least a chance, some type of choice.
I am willing to sell myself over for change, well at least something.
Am willing to make an agreement even to the most wicked being, i am very desperate.

I don 't expect anyone to understand my pain or situation.
Nor understand how desperate i need the help, or how important it is for me to have a say myself


(am aware this post will get me ban from this forum as it always does with other forums)

[ghostrider]

I will just say , because of overpopulation, people are incarnating too soon, they don't spend enough time in the beyond, where they should remain for 152 years and 21 days , too many bodies created too quickly, the former life should disolve back into creation , a the new personality starts at square one , learning anew ... your not supposed to remember former lives , it only brings suffering and confusion, ... the world is not advanced spiritually enough , the whole paradigm is out of balance, and our world reflects it ... the world needs a birthstop ...

[waves]

Your post alludes to some concepts that are very intriguing. I don't quite get the big picture or request you're making, so it possible to answer these questions to have a better understanding of what you're trying to say:

1. You said "I actually remember the creation of my soul."... then continued as if the 'creators' had control of this soul they created and you 'the soul' has none. Who created your 'soul'? Are you implying that many different 'groups' of beings in this and/or other universes who have the capability of created souls? Are there different kinds of souls?

2. Are you implying that a 'soul' is not necessarily a sovereign, independent entity on it's own path of gaining more and more control of it's own power and destiny? What is your understanding of what a 'soul' is? You've implied that they are 'manufacturable' if the knowledge is gained and usable/disposable.

3. What do your creators gain from 'torture'?

4. What is the function of Earth to them?

5. Do the creators of you as a 'soul' also have a 'soul'? Do you know who created their soul?

5. What can we do to help you... and/or ourselves?

Thank you.

[Falien]

Your overly complicating things.
You seem to think that the rules are the same for everyone when there not.
Every being is different and have there own rules and there own views.
There not all the same as well as there are so many different fraction and groups.
There is no such thing as perfection.

I was meant to be one of those in charge of other yet since i share different rules i was punish for it.
(for one i thought one should be in charge of there own, not force to follow another)
Simply because i wasn't doing to look down on other being.
Other groups may value that way of thinking and other groups would condemn that way of thinking.
I just happen to be in a group that condemn it.
I never said they gain pleasure from it, just that they want me to be hurting because of it.

There are groups that control other being wither it for good or bad.
They may call themselves as guides yet it all come down to is control.


What i want is to talk or meet with a different group.
To see if there is any option for me.
(another group like a different et fraction or something)

Each group have there own flaws.
None of them are perfect.


Your post alludes to some concepts that are very intriguing. I don't quite get the big picture or request you're making, so it possible to answer these questions to have a better understanding of what you're trying to say:

1. You said "I actually remember the creation of my soul."... then continued as if the 'creators' had control of this soul they created and you 'the soul' has none. Who created your 'soul'? Are you implying that many different 'groups' of beings in this and/or other universes who have the capability of created souls? Are there different kinds of souls?

2. Are you implying that a 'soul' is not necessarily a sovereign, independent entity on it's own path of gaining more and more control of it's own power and destiny? What is your understanding of what a 'soul' is? You've implied that they are 'manufacturable' if the knowledge is gained and usable/disposable.

3. What do your creators gain from 'torture'?

4. What is the function of Earth to them?

5. Do the creators of you as a 'soul' also have a 'soul'? Do you know who created their soul?

5. What can we do to help you... and/or ourselves?

Thank you.

[6pounder]

I would like to thank you for being open and honest. It's not easy to talk openly and I admire you for that. The experience you remember may be difficult for other to comprehend since the experience you had reveals some points that it's question others knowledge and believes. The open minded will understand. If you sick help I would love to be a hear to listen and help as much as I can.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Falien

(am aware this post will get me ban from this forum as it always does with other forums)
That post of yours so far would not get you ban'd from this site, as long as you are true and not making it all up as a time waster.

You are telling an interesting post and have come to the right place to tell it!

Questions for you:

Who made you, that is to say, the group who put you here?

Are any of that group here on Earth as controllers?

[6pounder]

Falien, I would like to know why do you seek an et group and not embracing being part of humanity? We are a group of its own with its own problems and also solutions. It's as if you look down upon humanity and not giving it a chance at all...

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As you said there is no perfection but how are you so sure you will find the answers in an et group?

[Falien]

All what i have said is true.

For who had made me i don't know.
I remember my creation yet i don't know who made my spirit.

For the group i was in that mighty be a touchy thing for most.
Since they resemble those being you call pleiadian.
From what i seen there a huge following under them so for me telling that part may anger many.
(blue eyes yellow hair, human like)
(yet i can't really say what my form was)
(as i never felt like the human form was my proper form)

Manipulating energy isn't hard for them.
People trust and distrust other entity simply by the follow of energy.
Not even realizing that the flow of energy for them could be completely different for other entities.
To make another entity feel comfortable the logic thing is to reflect there own energy back towards them so they feel something that is more familiar to them.
(this would explain why some feel more love when they send more as they just don't realize it just being reflect back towards them, that the other being are not creating it)


Hi Falien

(am aware this post will get me ban from this forum as it always does with other forums)
That post of yours so far would not get you ban'd from this site, as long as you are true and not making it all up as a time waster.

You are telling an interesting post and have come to the right place to tell it!

Questions for you:

Who made you, that is to say, the group who put you here?

Are any of that group here on Earth as controllers?

[Falien]

How i see it if i was looking down i wouldn't have any dislike since i wouldn't even recognize the other existence.
By having dislike of how other behave is in itself prove that you at least see them as an equal in some way or you wouldn't be bother by them.
(can you honestly say that you love all what your people are doing around the world?)
I can strongly dislike other and yet still fully see them as equal, disliking aspect or someone is in no way belittling them.

You ask why am not embracing humanity yet how i see it isn't it more proper to embrace yourself.
I admit if i had a chance to be rid of this human vessel i would jump to it yet that not why am seeking help.
The thing is there may not be any answer yet does that mean that i shouldn't even try?
I try because i have to and need to.
(the reason i seek help is very important to me so there shouldn't be a need to say the issue as what is important to one is different for another)


Falien, I would like to know why do you seek an et group and not embracing being part of humanity? We are a group of its own with its own problems and also solutions. It's as if you look down upon humanity and not giving it a chance at all...

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As you said there is no perfection but how are you so sure you will find the answers in an et group?

[6pounder]

So do you feel that a human group won't be able to help you?

[Falien]

The question is would they?
I don't care what group or what fraction it is as long as i get the help that i seek.
What i seek is not there words, i need help by those that can help.
If you know a group of humans from one of those secret bases then go ahead an contact them.
As like i said i don't care were the help come from as long as it come.
I don't know were to go, all i know right now is that i have no access to the connection that i need.


So do you feel that a human group won't be able to help you?

[WhiteLove]

Well i have memories before this world.

This is big enough to be analyzed in isolation. Could you please detail what exactly these memories are. Thanks!

[moekatz]

Is it o.k. to ask your human age? Also, do you live in a rural setting or a city and if a city, what size is it. I need to get my bearings about you in more earthly terms. You find yourself in this 3rd dimension and we are all stuck here together. Instead of fighting the feelings you have, are you able to obtain some quiet, peaceful feelings daily? Are you asking for monetary help? Do you live in a home or apartment alone or with others. Some of us are wired to be helpful in ways others are not. There is a real depth to your plea for help. Many of us would want to help.

[6pounder]

So what I understand is that the help you seek is being freed from this vessel and reincarnate in a place by your choice? Or even just any other place then earth?

[Falien]

this might be the last time i try to explain things.
Am not intending to be cruel by not replying back yet i think i have said enough.

I don't have intention of going into more detail of my memories.
There hurtful enough searching through my memories.
I don't feel comfortable speaking about them.
I think i gave enough detail about them.

moekatz you ask my age and were i live.
Maybe i should ask if you have any connection.(as in et connection)
Am 30+ and i don't like getting into my age, i didn't even want to say that am around 30.
Am not fighting my feeling as am seeking help (am trying to be true to myself which is different from fighting one self).
Yes many feel it easier to submit to what ever other say and what is in-front of them.
There are some things that can not be submitted to, as doing so would be harming oneself.
And no this has nothing to do with monetary help and i think it insulting just suggesting it.

6pounder maybe it best for you not to understand,
It be nice to be incarnated onto another world into another body.
Am not denying that at all that it may solve some issue.
I dislike this world and being stuck in a human body yet that is not why am asking to have a word with one of those group or fraction.
Plz stop trying to figure out why am asking help for.
If you have connection then i may spill everything.
It hard enough to talk about it so i rather not say openly.
(like i said humans and this world has nothing to do on why am seeking help)

[6pounder]

Well thank you for sharing this with us. May you find the help you seek.

[chancy]

Hello everyone:
First may I say MERRY CHRISTMAS to one and all !!

I find this a fascinating thread however it doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast....
It reminds me of my kids when they want something but don't want to explain even though they came to us the parents for help.
This thread is lilke the parents and the "kid(s)" aren't coming up with anything but "introduce me to ...........before I spill the beans" !

In my house we call that blackmail. In this house we call it something else but am not sure what that is?
For someone in the house to truly get the help they want they have to trust the parents. In this thread the parents aren't being trusted at all for whatever reason.

From my research this is the first time I have come across someone that claims to remember before the veil was drawn over their eyes and mind.

I recall a few months ago reading on Avalon about a 2 to 2.5 mile across satellite dish on the moon pointing toward the earth. ( Would have to search the threads on Avalon to remember ) If there was ever a way to make sure we can't remember anything about before we were born that certainly could do it.

I'm enthused about this topic but it seems to be coming to a close very quickly unfortunately.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone!!
chancy

[Falien]

I explain why i was asking for help but that didn't seem to be enough.
I didn't go into full detail as for one i had no interest to amuse someone.
If one can't help then there no reason for me to say more.
If you believe that am blackmailing you then so be it.
I have no interest in amusing you as i am only seeking help.

I was not the first to remember.
Those that do remember i don't believe they like steeping forward.
If i can run into a few that also remember when am not trying then surely it not too hard to find a few other.
The thing is it not a pretty site and people don't want to believe how things really are.

I don't trust anyone as i have been attack many times.
Don't expect me to trust when you yourself don't trust.
If you did then you wouldn't bring up the trust thing up.

I know from experience what happen when i say too much.
I was doing everyone a favor by not saying everything as to avoid a large scale fight.
What i know is not what people want to hear.
Beside i don't think you really forgotten i just think it something that you just didn't want to admit to yourself.


Hello everyone:
First may I say MERRY CHRISTMAS to one and all !!

I find this a fascinating thread however it doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast....
It reminds me of my kids when they want something but don't want to explain even though they came to us the parents for help.
This thread is lilke the parents and the "kid(s)" aren't coming up with anything but "introduce me to ...........before I spill the beans" !

In my house we call that blackmail. In this house we call it something else but am not sure what that is?
For someone in the house to truly get the help they want they have to trust the parents. In this thread the parents aren't being trusted at all for whatever reason.

From my research this is the first time I have come across someone that claims to remember before the veil was drawn over their eyes and mind.

I recall a few months ago reading on Avalon about a 2 to 2.5 mile across satellite dish on the moon pointing toward the earth. ( Would have to search the threads on Avalon to remember ) If there was ever a way to make sure we can't remember anything about before we were born that certainly could do it.

I'm enthused about this topic but it seems to be coming to a close very quickly unfortunately.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone!!
chancy

[Shannon]

I explain why i was asking for help but that didn't seem to be enough.
I didn't go into full detail as for one i had no interest to amuse someone.
If one can't help then there no reason for me to say more.
If you believe that am blackmailing you then so be it.
I have no interest in amusing you as i am only seeking help.

I was not the first to remember.
Those that do remember i don't believe they like steeping forward.
If i can run into a few that also remember when am not trying then surely it not too hard to find a few other.
The thing is it not a pretty site and people don't want to believe how things really are.

I don't trust anyone as i have been attack many times.
Don't expect me to trust when you yourself don't trust.
If you did then you wouldn't bring up the trust thing up.

I know from experience what happen when i say too much.
I was doing everyone a favor by not saying everything as to avoid a large scale fight.
What i know is not what people want to hear.
Beside i don't think you really forgotten i just think it something that you just didn't want to admit to yourself.


Hello everyone:
First may I say MERRY CHRISTMAS to one and all !!

I find this a fascinating thread however it doesn't seem to be going anywhere fast....
It reminds me of my kids when they want something but don't want to explain even though they came to us the parents for help.
This thread is lilke the parents and the "kid(s)" aren't coming up with anything but "introduce me to ...........before I spill the beans" !

In my house we call that blackmail. In this house we call it something else but am not sure what that is?
For someone in the house to truly get the help they want they have to trust the parents. In this thread the parents aren't being trusted at all for whatever reason.

From my research this is the first time I have come across someone that claims to remember before the veil was drawn over their eyes and mind.

I recall a few months ago reading on Avalon about a 2 to 2.5 mile across satellite dish on the moon pointing toward the earth. ( Would have to search the threads on Avalon to remember ) If there was ever a way to make sure we can't remember anything about before we were born that certainly could do it.

I'm enthused about this topic but it seems to be coming to a close very quickly unfortunately.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone!!
chancy

Fallen, I believe those who may be able to help you have trust issues themselves and since you are not giving anyone any help in helping you they probably aren't going to step up or speak out ...

I personally don't need to hear the details of your situation to know you need help and hope you find what you're looking for. This forum is truly a community and maybe you need some more time being a part of it for people to want to open up to you, especially since you don't want to open up to us.

Like another member said up there, there are some very open minded people here and they don't ask you questions for entertainment...that you suggested that is insulting to us. We find no humor in others pain here.

Good luck and I truly hope you find peace here in your human vessel.

[Falien]

I thought saying that i pretty much was blackmailing by not saying everything was greatly insulting.

I really don't know what more they want me to say.

I tried to explain that talking more about it is hurtful.
Yet they want me to speak more regardless how much it hurting me.

[6pounder]

Falien I'll say this, you have given us enough info. Those who are able to give you help will contact you if there is any of those around here since they know they do not need to do so here in front of everyone since its a personal matter. I think we should not judge any one who is keeping the deep truth about his/her past life to himself no matter what's the cause. You showed enough courage to come up and ask for help. No explanation needed.

[Flash]

If you incarnated into a human body, it is because you are now a human. Where you are originally from is pretty much not that important. You are HERE IN A HUMAN BODY, therefore you are a Human.

As long as you will be p i ss ed and want away, you will not be able to take the expériences offered in here and now, and evolve. Being in this body is not a curse, as you seem to believe, but a gift. When we receive a gift, we say Thank you, we are grateful. And we do the maximum we can with this gift.

If you are originally from one of the regressive races, as you seem to hint to, well, you have been offered a chance at evolution, instead of dead end thought to be "perfected" body. Humans are not dead end, they are evolving, and mostly spiritually, which the regressive race cannot. Humans have a heart. Take this gift and run with it.

Once you end the anger about being here, you will be ready to receive help.

[6pounder]

i think that judging our avalon member wouldnt be in place. we do not know his pain and suffering. a listening hear to his cry for help might be better then a judging mind of his statements.

[JChombre]

Well i have memories before this world.

I don 't expect anyone to understand my pain or situation.
Nor understand how desperate i need the help, or how important it is for me to have a say myself


Dear Friend Failen,

Yes, your cry for help is very clear to everyone on this forum, and that is why several people were asking some questions to figure out what is that you need help with, so that they can make some suggestions that hopefully will help you. People were not asking you these questions to gossip about your situation or blame you... Everyone here really wants to help you...

I am sure that some Avalon members will contact you in private. Meanwhile you can be proactive by getting in touch with some of the groups available in PA forum. To do that, click on the submenu "Groups" located between submenus "Chat" and "Members". Then, click on "View All" and check the various groups in Avalon. I think there is a ET or Contactee Group there.

Many blessings and much healing to you.

JC

[Michi]

Hi Falien

I completely resonate with what you're saying as it is in some way also my journey and I believe also the journey of others.

Even though I can't offer or provide the "proper" or ultimate supporting group for you, I believe that you are on the right track.
Exactly by speaking up here on projectavalon is certainly the right thing to do and I want to acknowledge you and urge you to continue your pursuit because your intention will bring you to your destination.

Some replies of some forum members remind me on that quote:

“There was a man hanging from a cliff two thousand feet above the valley floor. The terrified man
looked to the top of the cliff and screamed, ‘Is there anyone up there who can help me?’ A deep,
booming reply came from above, ‘Yes, I’ll help you. I’m the Lord. Just relax and let go!’ A long
pause. ‘Is there anybody else up there who can help me?’” - from Thomas Crum’s Journey to
Center

So, yes - don't ever give up!

Michael

[WhiteLove]

I thought saying that i pretty much was blackmailing by not saying everything was greatly insulting.

I really don't know what more they want me to say.

I tried to explain that talking more about it is hurtful.
Yet they want me to speak more regardless how much it hurting me.

I can understand that painful personal memories are not easy to share, especially when they are attached to memories from beyond this world. But is not that one of the reasons why you feel you need help, that it is too painful to keep inside. You could for instance let us know some components to it... Were you tortured, were you used as a slave, were you evil?! I mean what was the density component of that world that is so painful?

I also have personal memories prior to entering this world. I can remember that on my way here I had as mature thoughts as me writing this now, it was not the thoughts of a child. I was much concerned that I would end up at an ancient Egypt slavery, as if I had experienced that before. How could I even have such a thought when I should have known nothing about anything?! I can remember that I thought: Good, it's a more modern slavery. Why the theme of slavery was so central in this experience and why I had to go through such a thought pattern so early, I have no idea. But one thing is for sure, I was informed of the truth of where I was going, very very early. My only reaction to this has been that maybe I was deployed here because I was needed here, maybe on the soul level I am an expert on breaking slaveries.

[Finefeather]

(am aware this post will get me ban from this forum as it always does with other forums)
That's because the other forums never had a section for illusion and fiction... but nor does Avalon.

But here you will get all the encouragement you need to perpetuate your imaginative mind... so I would like to award you with my personal prize for the best fiction story of 2015... :)

If you work on it... and you'll have plenty of help here... you could very well attract some Hollywood producer like Spielberg or even more exciting would be Quentin Tarantino... I just love his movies.

[Limor Wolf]

(am aware this post will get me ban from this forum as it always does with other forums)
That's because the other forums never had a section for illusion and fiction... but nor does Avalon.

But here you will get all the encouragement you need to perpetuate your imaginative mind... so I would like to award you with my personal prize for the best fiction story of 2015... :)

If you work on it... and you'll have plenty of help here... you could very well attract some Hollywood producer like Spielberg or even more exciting would be Quentin Tarantino... I just love his movies.

Hi Ray, me and others are very fortunate to have 'known you' during the years of posting our thoughts on Avalon (sometimes quite the strong opinions!), I know I have certain simliar experiences to what the OP wrote above, some of which I will not share here due to a clash of realities and misunderstandings such as was demonstrated in your comment above. Respect to someone's own reality and state of mind, clearly when they express discomfort may be an essential feature in the new world we all would like to welcome.

Reality defies logic more and more as we advance towards new understandings, some of us sometimes fall into the victim's mentality due to having to go through a lot, I know I was/am struggling myself and had (and have) to learn some new ways to cope, to be inventive, to see if I can rethink my thoughts and experience my feelings in a diffrent way, this is gruesome and cumbersome process at best..

The fences of our realitis, is just that, fences, There is a world out there but if we don't see it, we don't know it. What I learned by participating in an experincers support group is to allow everyone to say what's on their mind. You do not have to take another's reality upon you, don't worry, but the energy accumulated over the years in ones own body and psych, can be released when it does not encounter with jusdgment

All the best,

Limor

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Falien (can it be assumed that it is a combination of fall and alien?), thank you for sharing, I read your reactions as well and listened to all the diversified emotions embodied in it. sounds like a rough endevour. I have found that calling for help can happen when we believe there is nothing in ourself that can support us anymore. Then we call for others, we pray, we search for the light outside of the tunnel, and others may or may not come, but what was often revealed to me, was that the others who could really help have pointed me to my own power hoard that was dormant inside of me and I could not have locate it or identify it.

Being born here can be a trauma to some, sometimes we want to get help by others, but are pushing the hand that was outstretched, sometimes our insticts and knowledge of ourself is clear to us, and we can follow it and trust it, knowing what we're looking for.

When we call for others 'out there', there's a good cetainty that our call will be heard and considered.. not always by the same type of assitance we would hope for, if we don't define exactly what we are ready to contribute ourselves in terms of energy and willingness to learn and ask for an energetic match, all things may respond to our calls, all types of energy... Perheps this is something that have happened to you, during this lifetime, perheps before. There are ways to reveal these things and help ourselves, not something one learns in a hurry, but possible. Then we can equally be assisted by others, while doing our own inner work.

I do not know if this response has any usefulness to you. It may or may not, I wish you the hope of a new path where we all have to be disarmed from our old patterns and embrace a new ones. Victimhood may be the hardest one to give up, after all we've been going through, and still do.. some, like yourself perheps more than others. In this case, none are able to do it for us, but we may accept love and kindness when offered to us while going through our stuff, even if it's foreign to our experience this time.

With love,

Limor

[Finefeather]

Hi Ray, me and others are very fortunate to have 'known you' during the years of posting our thoughts on Avalon (sometimes quite the strong opinions!), I know I have certain simliar experiences to what the OP wrote above, some of which I will not share here due to a clash of realities and misunderstandings such as was demonstrated in your comment above. Respect to someone's own reality and state of mind, clearly when they express discomfort may be an essential feature in the new world we all would like to welcome.

Reality defies logic more and more as we advance towards new understandings, some of us sometimes fall into the victim's mentality due to having to go through a lot, I know I was/am struggling myself and had (and have) to learn some new ways to cope, to be inventive, to see if I can rethink my thoughts and experience my feelings in a diffrent way, this is gruesome and cumbersome process at best..

The fences of our realitis, is just that, fences, There is a world out there but if we don't see it, we don't know it. What I learned by participating in an experincers support group is to allow everyone to say what's on their mind. You do not have to take another's reality upon you, don't worry, but the energy accumulated over the years in ones own body and psych, can be released when it does not encountered by jusdgment

All the best,

Limor
Limor
There is only ONE reason for personal individual reality and state of mind causing discomfort or illusion in our minds... and that is ignorance... ignorance is a lack of knowledge of reality.

Reality does not defy logic... as you have stated... logic is a result of reality... it is therefore the lack of knowledge of reality that causes illogical thinking... or clear reasoning.

I can assure you that if you knew reality... you would not have a problem in the world... because reality is the key to every problem you can think of...
The problem is that humans do not want to know reality and have no way to even prove it to themselves because how would they even know reality when they have so many 'better' fiction stories to choose from?

If humans were presented with the truth amongst some other fiction only about 1% would be able to choose and realise the correct one... because the truth has been so well covered up and people so indoctrinated that it is going to take millions of years and thousands of incarnation before the majority will rule the planet in truth and unconditional love.

I love... unconditionally... every single soul in this planet... and there comes a time... (based on my 1000s of years...(I can remember most of my past knowledge) of helping to heal others... praying with others... counselling others... giving of myself to others... assisting the destitute financially... gaining my own experiences on and off this word... remembering past knowledge etc etc... ) where tactics need to be adjusted to get the best affect.

You are assuming that one method of giving some kind of assistance based on often sloppy love is the only way... but people often do not want to be treated like babies and surrounded by people who are equally ignorant.

The advise given is more than mostly just as ignorant as that of the deluded and the frightened... and this is so because most so called 'healers'... or givers of advice... live themselves in a world of fiction.

My greatest asset is not what I know... but what I know I don't know... because more than most think they have realised the answers to life's problems... when in fact they have no idea just how little they know.

Humans are so sure they have all the answers, when in fact more than 95% of the things they do and say... in the name of life's truths... is a result of fiction... the problem is that the ego cannot accept the ignorance.

I am the most ignorant person in this planet... simply because I know enough to realise just how little I know...

With love
Ray

[betoobig]

Hello Failen, welcome to Avalon. First of all thanks for sharing and it is great you are asking for help. Now, there is one thing Flash said which i love " now you are human" ... So i do belive all you need is the right info to raise your awareness as human. Whoever put you through this situation forgot a few things.... You have free will and you have one more weapon: feelings.... As human you have to go through the "game" and evolve. you need to get comfortable with the now. You can declare yourself as a sovering being and break any agreement or punishment you admited. Use your free will. You can choose how to feel, regain your freedome.... Thinking over a little is like whoever put you through this gave you what you wanted.
I hope this helps.
Much love to you Failen.

[Limor Wolf]

Hi Ray, me and others are very fortunate to have 'known you' during the years of posting our thoughts on Avalon (sometimes quite the strong opinions!), I know I have certain simliar experiences to what the OP wrote above, some of which I will not share here due to a clash of realities and misunderstandings such as was demonstrated in your comment above. Respect to someone's own reality and state of mind, clearly when they express discomfort may be an essential feature in the new world we all would like to welcome.

Reality defies logic more and more as we advance towards new understandings, some of us sometimes fall into the victim's mentality due to having to go through a lot, I know I was/am struggling myself and had (and have) to learn some new ways to cope, to be inventive, to see if I can rethink my thoughts and experience my feelings in a diffrent way, this is gruesome and cumbersome process at best..

The fences of our realitis, is just that, fences, There is a world out there but if we don't see it, we don't know it. What I learned by participating in an experincers support group is to allow everyone to say what's on their mind. You do not have to take another's reality upon you, don't worry, but the energy accumulated over the years in ones own body and psych, can be released when it does not encountered by jusdgment

All the best,

Limor
Limor
There is only ONE reason for personal individual reality and state of mind causing discomfort or illusion in our minds... and that is ignorance... ignorance is a lack of knowledge of reality.

Reality does not defy logic... as you have stated... logic is a result of reality... it is therefore the lack of knowledge of reality that causes illogical thinking... or clear reasoning.

I can assure you that if you knew reality... you would not have a problem in the world... because reality is the key to every problem you can think of...
The problem is that humans do not want to know reality and have no way to even prove it to themselves because how would they even know reality when they have so many 'better' fiction stories to choose from?

If humans were presented with the truth amongst some other fiction only about 1% would be able to choose and realise the correct one... because the truth has been so well covered up and people so indoctrinated that it is going to take millions of years and thousands of incarnation before the majority will rule the planet in truth and unconditional love.

I love... unconditionally... every single soul in this planet... and there comes a time... (based on my 1000s of years...(I can remember most of my past knowledge) of helping to heal others... praying with others... counselling others... giving of myself to others... assisting the destitute financially... gaining my own experiences on and off this word... remembering past knowledge etc etc... ) where tactics need to be adjusted to get the best affect.

You are assuming that one method of giving some kind of assistance based on often sloppy love is the only way... but people often do not want to be treated like babies and surrounded by people who are equally ignorant.

The advise given is more than mostly just as ignorant as that of the deluded and the frightened... and this is so because most so called 'healers'... or givers of advice... live themselves in a world of fiction.

My greatest asset is not what I know... but what I know I don't know... because more than most think they have realised the answers to life's problems... when in fact they have no idea just how little they know.

Humans are so sure they have all the answers, when in fact more than 95% of the things they do and say... in the name of life's truths... is a result of fiction... the problem is that the ego cannot accept the ignorance.

I am the most ignorant person in this planet... simply because I know enough to realise just how little I know...

With love
Ray

Ray, I have read your input and appreciate it, Let's see - I have found that my reality is a world of fiction, self made and full of ignorance (possibly joining others in that category), and that gave me a great amount of relief. An instant one that overcame many years of research and hard core experiences in one moment

(There may be a tiny little shred of irony here)

Thank you for lighting the way, what I can say is that I agree with the notion that ignorance is a bliss

Now back to reality..

Many blessings ~

Limor

[Finefeather]

Being born here can be a trauma to some, sometimes we want to get help by others, but are pushing the hand that was outstretched, sometimes our insticts and knowledge of ourself is clear to us, and we can follow it and trust it, knowing what we're looking for.

Limor
This is my version of this statement you have made...

Being born here is only a trauma because of the fictitious reality we live in... this has been handed down from generation to generation... craftily designed and developed by those dark forces who run this planet.
If reality ruled planet earth there would be no trauma when born here... for anyone... simply because real unconditional love amongst humanity would nullify such trauma.

There would be no stories about 'aliens' terrorizing us or abducting us or using us in some frightening experiments... all which have been created out of fiction and used by dark forces to make life on this planet traumatic.

Tell this to most people in the alternative community and you will get a look and an attitude of disbelief... so indoctrinated are the humans from the alternative community.

In reality most of the fiction has come to us from those with imaginative minds and who's own ignorance have fanned the flames of which today has become a supposed reality in life.

When I go out into the world... where people have not heard of these fiction stories... I come face to face with those who's lives are filled with real love and concern for each other... is this the real life?

People who believe in these alien terrifying type stories are outnumbered by billions who reject it... I wonder who's right and who is really delusional?

With love
Ray

[Flash]

The “funny” thing about Godzilla’s population control activities is that he really does not have to work that hard at it, as the masses do almost all of his work for him. Our “allies” nearly invariably tried to steal our companies, when I appeared in open forums, trolls swarmed me (and only a few were professionals) and so on. The organized suppression rarely had to become overt or severe. But Godzilla is not dead or sleeping.

The indoctrination and conditioning really is not that hard to see through. Once you see through one of them, the others are easier to handle.from Wade Frazier http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10672-WADE-FRAZIER-A-Healed-Planet&p=1032538&viewfull=1#post1032538

And mostly this from Carolyn Myss https://www.facebook.com/201192805715/photos/a.230879760715.284307.201192805715/10156284691985716/?type=3&theater


Look for the presence of truth in counseling others. Look beyond illusion. Be mindful of your truth, the other person's truth, and the governing presence of mystical truth.

[Finefeather]

Now back to reality..

Which one :)

Love you

[Flash]

There is another pearl of Carolyn Myss, that would completely transform this forum, and this thread, if we apply it (limor, with all my heart to yours).


Here's one simple method to help you stay in the present: Change your vocabulary. Specifically, give up the use of the following terms and all that they imply: blame, deserve, guilt, fear, falt. If you cut those fiver words from your vocabulary, both in your private thoughts and in your communications with others, you will notice almost immediately that it is far more difficult to fall into negative emotional patterns. You will also discover how habitual those patterns had become. https://www.facebook.com/201192805715/photos/a.230879760715.284307.201192805715/10156269583075716/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/201192805715/photos/a.230879760715.284307.201192805715/10156269583075716/?type=3&theater)

[Limor Wolf]

Being born here can be a trauma to some, sometimes we want to get help by others, but are pushing the hand that was outstretched, sometimes our insticts and knowledge of ourself is clear to us, and we can follow it and trust it, knowing what we're looking for.

Limor
This is my version of this statement you have made...

Being born here is only a trauma because of the fictitious reality we live in... this has been handed down from generation to generation... craftily designed and developed by those dark forces who run this planet.
If reality ruled planet earth there would be no trauma when born here... for anyone... simply because real unconditional love amongst humanity would nullify such trauma.

There would be no stories about 'aliens' terrorizing us or abducting us or using us in some frightening experiments... all which have been created out of fiction and used by dark forces to make life on this planet traumatic.

Tell this to most people in the alternative community and you will get a look and an attitude of disbelief... so indoctrinated are the humans from the alternative community.

In reality most of the fiction has come to us from those with imaginative minds and who's own ignorance have fanned the flames of which today has become a supposed reality in life.

When I go out into the world... where people have not heard of these fiction stories... I come face to face with those who's lives are filled with real love and concern for each other... is this the real life?

People who believe in these alien terrifying type stories are outnumbered by billions who reject it... I wonder who's right and who is really delusional?

With love
Ray

Hi again, Ray ~

Not wanting to derail this thread, which is not about us, or about our personal opinions, but about falien and her quest for help, I will see if I can keep this short

Most of the fiction you are refering to is deeply ingrained (between many others) in the Avalon/Camelot extensive work and research during the years, many of the whistlblowers revealing and living the Alien agenda (even if your reality disapproves of it) are straight on matter of fact, logical people with an average amount of imaginative minds

It's nice that you go into the real world, where people have real love and concern for each other, and are not filled with fiction stories, it was very graceful of you to not mention all the other fictatious stories so preveiled in here that supports quite a lot of evidence. It shows on a true restraint. Your final conclusion that the billions are outnumbering the few, and therefore who's the deluional one, reinforces the clear understanding that the majority is always right. Thank you for this important reminder :)

If I was cheeky enough I would have suggested that the alien mind has certainly grabbed a few more cells then we may imagine, but I will keep myself restrained as well

I went to check Falien's initial post on the 'Welcome new members' thread, where she wrote -


"Greeting, i hope i can find some friendly people here that could help me with my experiences"

Ray, when talking in your previous post about your "1000 of years of unconditional loving... every single soul in this planet... helping to heal others... praying with others... counselling others... giving of myself to others", I am not sure you provided it with the total abolition of someone else's life as was evident in your response

I guess that's all I wanted to say

That will be my last reply on the subject

Many blessings ~

Limor

[Hervé]

People who believe in these alien terrifying type stories are outnumbered by billions who reject it... I wonder who's right and who is really delusional?Cool! Although outnumbered, does that negate their experiences and reality?

When taking into consideration those other statements:


... craftily designed and developed by those dark forces who run this planet.
... all [of] which have been created out of fiction and used by dark forces to make life on this planet traumatic.Who are the real Toilet Flushers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59804-My-Almost-Zero-Success-At-Awakening-People-Advice-Needed&p=683950&viewfull=1#post683950)? The billions? The outnumbered? Both?

... after all, real people do live in dwellings that came right out of Frank Lloyd Wright's pure fiction designs... right? (rhetorical)

[Flash]

Limor, I had written a whole post that I erased, because I thought it would not be understood.

However, I now realise every post here in this thread not only could help Falien, if she wishes so (this is the important thing), but also help many others. As strange as it may seems, coming from me, I am truly increasingly starting to see the conspiration/fringe stuff as Ray does. See below, in this same post, for my others comments.




Being born here can be a trauma to some, sometimes we want to get help by others, but are pushing the hand that was outstretched, sometimes our insticts and knowledge of ourself is clear to us, and we can follow it and trust it, knowing what we're looking for.

Limor
This is my version of this statement you have made...

Being born here is only a trauma because of the fictitious reality we live in... this has been handed down from generation to generation... craftily designed and developed by those dark forces who run this planet.
If reality ruled planet earth there would be no trauma when born here... for anyone... simply because real unconditional love amongst humanity would nullify such trauma.

There would be no stories about 'aliens' terrorizing us or abducting us or using us in some frightening experiments... all which have been created out of fiction and used by dark forces to make life on this planet traumatic.

Tell this to most people in the alternative community and you will get a look and an attitude of disbelief... so indoctrinated are the humans from the alternative community.

In reality most of the fiction has come to us from those with imaginative minds and who's own ignorance have fanned the flames of which today has become a supposed reality in life.

When I go out into the world... where people have not heard of these fiction stories... I come face to face with those who's lives are filled with real love and concern for each other... is this the real life?

People who believe in these alien terrifying type stories are outnumbered by billions who reject it... I wonder who's right and who is really delusional?

With love
Ray

Hi again, Ray ~

Not wanting to derail this thread, which is not about us, or about our personal opinions, but about falien and her quest for help, I will see if I can keep this short

Most of the fiction you are refering to is deeply ingrained (between many others) in the Avalon/Camelot extensive work and research during the years, many of the whistlblowers revealing and living the Alien agenda (even if your reality disapproves of it) are straight on matter of fact, logical people with an average amount of imaginative minds

It's nice that you go into the real world, where people have real love and concern for each other, and are not filled with fiction stories, it was very graceful of you to not mention all the other fictatious stories so preveiled in here that supports quite a lot of evidence. It shows on a true restraint. Your final conclusion that the billions are outnumbering the few, and therefore who's the deluional one, reinforces the clear understanding that the majority is always right. Thank you for this important reminder :)

If I was cheeky enough I would have suggested that the alien mind has certainly grabbed a few more cells then we may think, but I will keep myself restrained as well

I went to check Falien's initial post on the 'Welcome new members' thread, where she wrote -


"Greeting, i hope i can find some friendly people here that could help me with my experiences"

Ray, when talking in your previous post about your "1000 of years of unconditional loving... every single soul in this planet... helping to heal others... praying with others... counselling others... giving of myself to others", I am not sure you provided it with the total abolition of someone else's life as was evident in your response

I guess that's all I wanted to say

That will be my last reply on the subject

Many blessings ~

Limor

From Ray, above, post 33


Limor
This is my version of this statement you have made...

Being born here is only a trauma because of the fictitious reality we live in... this has been handed down from generation to generation... craftily designed and developed by those dark forces who run this planet.
If reality ruled planet earth there would be no trauma when born here... for anyone... simply because real unconditional love amongst humanity would nullify such trauma.

There would be no stories about 'aliens' terrorizing us or abducting us or using us in some frightening experiments... all which have been created out of fiction and used by dark forces to make life on this planet traumatic.

Tell this to most people in the alternative community and you will get a look and an attitude of disbelief... so indoctrinated are the humans from the alternative community.

In reality most of the fiction has come to us from those with imaginative minds and who's own ignorance have fanned the flames of which today has become a supposed reality in life.

When I go out into the world... where people have not heard of these fiction stories... I come face to face with those who's lives are filled with real love and concern for each other... is this the real life?

People who believe in these alien terrifying type stories are outnumbered by billions who reject it... I wonder who's right and who is really delusional?

With love
Ray

I am coming more and more to the same conclusions Ray.

And I know you know the following much better than me, and most probably, I have several mistakes in the following - but I am still posting for others here:

We are creating our own bubbles felt as reality, individually and collectively. Each bubble seen as reality, dépends on the quality of our inner self for its creation. What i realised is that we have to get rid of alllllllllll beliefs, to arrive at the truth (the paradox is that until truth is reached, beliefs prevail and depending on which we chose, they may help to climb the steps towards truth). It also means releasing beliefs on what ETs are or are not. No more beliefs.

The strength and talent of the dark ones has been to have us create beliefs systems with their thinking/emoting inserted into it. We are the creators of our heavens and hells, individually and collectively.

If we decide to stop creating hell, well, it disappears. And the dark forces strenght with it.

All this while being clearly anchored into earth and the expériences lived on it, good and bad, which are teaching us to let go of beliefs and reach THE truth.

My present solution:

1. Anchor myself in the earth, well anchored, felt through the heals (heels) going in the soil. Push the light down in the soil and feel your heels pushing down.
2. Open my heart, accept the pain and burns in it, at the physical heart/chest location, fill it with light.
3. Differentiate between heart and emotions, the emotions being physically located in the solar plexus (stomach), the bellie and the first chakra. The heart is in the chest. Emotions are not the truth, they are transient. See them, accept them, and process them up, through the heart or shake it out.
3. Accept the dark in me, the dark spots, the unmoving parts, the glue, make them conscious, accept to have it shake me to the core (fear, pain, anger, name it). No denial. Full acceptance, full vision. And shake it OUT.
4. Fill all my being with light, from top (over my head) to bottom (through my heels). Replace the shaken dark with light. Continue to open the heart center.
5. Process all within the heart.
6. Submit the clearer sight and the thoughts to the heart. Process it through the heart. This is the only place that cannot be corrupted by false thinking.

Get to the truth.
Once that is done, fewer and fewer ETs are bad - and less and less exist, since many are dark brothers créations through our support. In fact, darkness cannot access and is not created by me anymore (I am far from finished with this, I am a beginner in fact).
then proceed to clean the earth by seeing universal truth and creating with it.

-----

I have been in contact, with dark énergies and earth beings, albeit not of the highest kind (i think i was protected). And as I thought they were true at one time, by being in contact later on, i could see the full deception. It is a world of mirrors and fakes (or smoke). Entirely, from A to Z.

The ones who are the worst caught in it are the Cabal members. This is so sad, because they have helped activating the creative potential in us and they use it with for their own and other dark ones apparent benefits (which in fact is their jail).

All fakes and mirrors (and smoke). It is all fakes and mirrors, nothing else, no substance. In the meantime, we are buying and even physically living into it and suffering from it. And creating it for them.

Despite physical and emotional pain, we got to stop these unconscious créations. By making them conscious and letting go of them.

We stop creating darkness, they stop living with us and within us.

[Gardener]

Maybe this by Jung can explain something which will show that all perspectives in this thread are real. Take heart Failen and welcome to Avalon.
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[Finefeather]

People who believe in these alien terrifying type stories are outnumbered by billions who reject it... I wonder who's right and who is really delusional?Cool! Although outnumbered, does that negate their experiences and reality?
Do you really believe all the 'experiences' everyone tells you… claiming to be reality?
Have you actually personally verified any of these experiences?… or do you just believe everything that 'resonates' with your own belief?


When taking into consideration those other statements:


... craftily designed and developed by those dark forces who run this planet.
... all [of] which have been created out of fiction and used by dark forces to make life on this planet traumatic.Who are the real Toilet Flushers (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59804-My-Almost-Zero-Success-At-Awakening-People-Advice-Needed&p=683950&viewfull=1#post683950)? The billions? The outnumbered? Both?
I notice in your link you reference hypnosis… as if now everyone in the world is hypnotised!… boy you are well and truly hooked :)

Do you really believe that the people who run the world run all the people in it?

Do you really believe that just because the majority of people accept the sorry state of the world that they have capitulated their sovereignty? A case of while the children play “run the world-run the world” the grown-ups get on with the task of unity and brotherhood.

Do you actually really know who runs this world? You better not say if you do know… because your life may be in danger… but just because it may be does not mean you cannot live a normal life of consciousness development.

Those who harp on about the 'evils' of the world have made themselves their own prisoner because of their belief… when they finally see the world for what it is they will brush aside the “Toilet Flushers” story with the disdain it deserves.

And then there are those who have been genuinely involved in the horror and terror… but guess what? … if we really knew the truth about reality we would know that everything that happens to us is a result of our own doing… either in this life or in a previous life.

But how would we even know this and belief this despite been told?… because either we will reject it because our ego refuses to belief that we could be involved in that… or we will blame everyone out there for every little thing that happens to us… like children.



... after all, real people do live in dwellings that came right out of Frank Lloyd Wright's pure fiction designs... right? (rhetorical)
You're confusing his fiction writings with his objective designs.

[6pounder]

I would like to point for some of us that sometimes the best action is no reaction.

[betoobig]

Laydies and gentelmans, this is about us trying to help Failen, so it is really about Failen, thus first thing is believe and take seriously every word Failen has written, if not feel free to move away.
It is allready hard to ask for help.
Failen you said you broke some laws to which you had no agreement. Could you practice here the law in your way, your own phylosophy? Seeing all living things the same, i do. I like it that way too. As in any place or being the light is present/presence.
Where does your suffering comes from? Just for being here? I believe this are incredible time to be here, you have to in-joy this ride. Now being here you have the full potential to evolve, perhaps you were meant to be here to have this oportunity, and not any of your latest " partners".... You were ready.
Do you do any type of meditations?

[Flash]

With tongue in the cheek and a warm heartfelt sisterly push on your shoulder: Hey man, I did not know you were the OP here! Up to Falien to tell us if what we bring up is helping or not, in my opinion.

So Falien, what do you think or feel up to now? Anything that helped along the postings? (it may take a while to sink in, I do understand that).

Abrazos, Beetobig


Laydies and gentelmans, this is about us trying to help Failen, so it is really about Failen, thus first thing is believe and take seriously every word Failen has written, if not feel free to move away.
It is allready hard to ask for help.
Failen you said you broke some laws to which you had no agreement. Could you practice here the law in your way, your own phylosophy? Seeing all living things the same, i do. I like it that way too. As in any place or being the light is present/presence.
Where does your suffering comes from? Just for being here? I believe this are incredible time to be here, you have to in-joy this ride. Now being here you have the full potential to evolve, perhaps you were meant to be here to have this oportunity, and not any of your latest " partners".... You were ready.
Do you do any type of meditations?

[betoobig]

You are right Flash, my excuses.
Much love

[Hervé]

People who believe in these alien terrifying type stories are outnumbered by billions who reject it... I wonder who's right and who is really delusional?Cool! Although outnumbered, does that negate their experiences and reality?
Do you really believe all the 'experiences' everyone tells you… claiming to be reality?
Have you actually personally verified any of these experiences?… or do you just believe everything that 'resonates' with your own belief?
[...]

How can someone so gloriously miss the point and launch galloping straw men?

I am left scratching my head as with another instance of such vagaries:



Posted by Hervé (here) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1027045#post1027045)
Another problem here is that individuals get on high horses claiming high principles with no data...

... without following threads and reading posts... or if they do, it seems they don't understand what's written, or, if they do, it seems that the written words are not understood in their meaning. That leaves those other individuals who do follow threads and read posts, understand what's written and comprehend the meaning of what's written... scratching their head. I guess I have to resolve myself to the fact that written words, rather than being a precise coding for the accurate transmissions of ideas to someone else's mind, are, in fact, springboards for all kinds of hallucinations... :(So, Ray, what do you do when someone questions YOUR reality? (rhetorical, for your personal insights only)

[6pounder]

I think some missed my comment earlier. I see a fight of ego. And for some reason I see the need to intervene. Let's make it clear for all of us. Falien came and asked for help. His terms ware clear - if you can contact him with an et race then do so. We started by asking him alot of questions. I think it's obvious that no answers what so ever will be given since falien set his terms. If you didn't saw it yet I think that will be the time to stop with questions. Along this came alot of judgement for no reason. Which clearly ain't helping falien to get the help he needs and obviously adds alot of negative energy to this thread. This thread wasn't for fighting on each others beliefs, it was for finding help. I hope that by now some one already contacted you falien and if not then I hope some one will. Let's keep it simple if you can't help simply read this thread and keep any kind of judgement to yourself. If you can help simply click on falien's name and send him a pm. Much love guys.

[Flash]

I am amazed at what you did not see in this thread. Read the posts again, you may start seeing. But lots of help was offered, even by those who have been argued against. And by the arguers against lolll.

And no, I will not simply read a thread and keep my comments (but no judgment here). Mostly if I think they may be of help.

Those are your views 6pounder, they maybe your way of helping, but mine are just a tiny bit differing.

We have no feedback from the OP at all. We will know if we hit the target of helping once we wil have feedback. Until then, I reserve my rights of posting what I think useful to her and to others.




I think some missed my comment earlier. I see a fight of ego. And for some reason I see the need to intervene. Let's make it clear for all of us. Falien came and asked for help. His terms ware clear - if you can contact him with an et race then do so. We started by asking him alot of questions. I think it's obvious that no answers what so ever will be given since falien set his terms. If you didn't saw it yet I think that will be the time to stop with questions. Along this came alot of judgement for no reason. Which clearly ain't helping falien to get the help he needs and obviously adds alot of negative energy to this thread. This thread wasn't for fighting on each others beliefs, it was for finding help. I hope that by now some one already contacted you falien and if not then I hope some one will. Let's keep it simple if you can't help simply read this thread and keep any kind of judgement to yourself. If you can help simply click on falien's name and send him a pm. Much love guys.

But one worry I have right away is this:


form OP: I am willing to sell myself over for change, well at least something.
Am willing to make an agreement even to the most wicked being, i am very desperate.


This is pretty much the most dangerous thing I have seen posted on forums. Calling for the most wicked one, and being ready to sell oneself to them.

This is an absolute no no in my book. Desperation does not absolve it.

And I am pretty sure that amongst those that contacted her to give help, you do have pretty wicked ones too, since it was asked for.

I would advice the OP on reading this thread. Most posters here did have good intentions and good hearts.

[Finefeather]

People who believe in these alien terrifying type stories are outnumbered by billions who reject it... I wonder who's right and who is really delusional?Cool! Although outnumbered, does that negate their experiences and reality?
Do you really believe all the 'experiences' everyone tells you… claiming to be reality?
Have you actually personally verified any of these experiences?… or do you just believe everything that 'resonates' with your own belief?
[...]

How can someone so gloriously miss the point and launch galloping straw men?
I was clearly answering your question by posing another question to you… see?
This technique is known as maieutics and is related to the Socratic method of eliciting knowledge.

So, it's not called 'straw men'… it's called 'grasping at straws' when we need to nitpick to try to find some way to be on top. :)

Take care brother

[6pounder]

I believe we all will learn something new about ourselves from this thread.

[sirdipswitch]

Just as Saint Theresa said, you might wanna spend a bit more time here , getting to know folks

Perhaps a stroll through the Spirituality Thread may produce some anewers to that which you seek, or possibly Someone!

You might just try reachin out to grab hold of a little humor now and then to help litten the load!!!ccc!!!

(Them little c's... is little chuckles... to help ya get started!!!):wizard:

[Falien]

thxs, but plz call me a she not a he.
sadly no one has msg yet to help.

As i said before i was place in a fraction a group that i don't belong to.
It the group that was responsible for my incarnation was very wicked group.
Which to them they may see me as the wicked one for refusing to not look down onto other.
Each fraction and group see things differently.

If i ever want to have any chance of following myself and creating a path for myself then i need to be remove from that fraction i was force into.
Which mean i need to talk to another fraction.
Basically if i don't i will never be free.
Well i know if am successful that i will simply be trading one shackle for another pair.

Sadly there is no free will.
As you will always be paying the price of your own will.


I think some missed my comment earlier. I see a fight of ego. And for some reason I see the need to intervene. Let's make it clear for all of us. Falien came and asked for help. His terms ware clear - if you can contact him with an et race then do so. We started by asking him alot of questions. I think it's obvious that no answers what so ever will be given since falien set his terms. If you didn't saw it yet I think that will be the time to stop with questions. Along this came alot of judgement for no reason. Which clearly ain't helping falien to get the help he needs and obviously adds alot of negative energy to this thread. This thread wasn't for fighting on each others beliefs, it was for finding help. I hope that by now some one already contacted you falien and if not then I hope some one will. Let's keep it simple if you can't help simply read this thread and keep any kind of judgement to yourself. If you can help simply click on falien's name and send him a pm. Much love guys.

[6pounder]

thxs, but plz call me a she not a he.
sadly no one has msg yet to help.

As i said before i was place in a fraction a group that i don't belong to.
It the group that was responsible for my incarnation was very wicked group.
Which to them they may see me as the wicked one for refusing to not look down onto other.
Each fraction and group see things differently.

If i ever want to have any chance of following myself and creating a path for myself then i need to be remove from that fraction i was force into.
Which mean i need to talk to another fraction.
Basically if i don't i will never be free.
Well i know if am successful that i will simply be trading one shackle for another pair.

Sadly there is no free will.
As you will always be paying the price of your own will.


I think some missed my comment earlier. I see a fight of ego. And for some reason I see the need to intervene. Let's make it clear for all of us. Falien came and asked for help. His terms ware clear - if you can contact him with an et race then do so. We started by asking him alot of questions. I think it's obvious that no answers what so ever will be given since falien set his terms. If you didn't saw it yet I think that will be the time to stop with questions. Along this came alot of judgement for no reason. Which clearly ain't helping falien to get the help he needs and obviously adds alot of negative energy to this thread. This thread wasn't for fighting on each others beliefs, it was for finding help. I hope that by now some one already contacted you falien and if not then I hope some one will. Let's keep it simple if you can't help simply read this thread and keep any kind of judgement to yourself. If you can help simply click on falien's name and send him a pm. Much love guys.

thank you falien for clearing things up abit more for us to understand.

[bettye198]

What I found interesting about this post was that the human element has a propensity for remembering the darkness but not so much the lightness of our being. Reincarnation and all the past life memories attached seem to bring up the ugly parts of our existence. We easily slip into forgetting ourselves, that we are all glorious and powerful as sparks of Creation. What I gleaned from this sensitive soul was the memory of being in the company of darkness and truth be told, not especially from this planet or dimension. The Fallen Angelics have overtaken the 12 stargates in this solar system, and they have infiltrated up to the 11th dimension. Of course many dimensions beyond that to count ( we have yet to know) have the dominion of how I view, Krystic love and intelligence and power. So if this soul traveled or was trapped in those dimensions below, his memory was overwhelmed with that darkness. It is almost as if we all lived in perpetual Henry the 8th kingdom fearing of being beheaded, tortured on racks and quartered, inundated with control of how we believe. We cannot always bring up that perilous feeling unless we see it on a media screen or read it in a book but we have all most probably experienced that. Which is one reason why my most hated word is torture. Evil does travel throughout the Universe. And we do find ourselves in precarious places, even in our traveling dream state. We can feel and pick up others torments. I remember when I studied Ashayana and the Beloveds told her, we were created with multiple selves. Over 700. Makes perfect sense that our family tree travels the scope of many Universes and planets to acquire soul experience. It made no sense that we were alone in our Creation. That said, Sensitive soul, you may have tapped into not just your memory but the memory of a multiple family tree. Once in full consciousness, we receive that knowing, but who is to say it cannot transfer to the Soul DNA while incarnated? I also believe it may be part of the reason so many souls feel suffering and sickness. It may not belong entirely to the individual self. Something to ponder. If you can trust that, you may very well heal and bless those parts and then restore yourself to your own magnificence once again.

[Bluegreen]

Forum member Omniverse has written about his experience with torture from let's just say unnatural sources. He talks about this as well as techniques he has used to deal with it and even techniques he has not used but only heard about. I wouldn't know what post to direct you to, pick any one and go from there. I would also recommend Pschic Self Defense by Dion Fortune, a very old book that continues to stay in circulation for some reason.

You are sovereign unto yourself. You are the Gatekeeper for your body & mind. You decide. But if you are going to operate the bridge down at the docks you better believe you are going to go through a training session and more than one. And you are going to pass the tests. And if you cheat you are going to f#ck up when you operate the bridge.

Best of luck & warm wishes :biggrin:

[Flash]

Please, allow me Falien to asnwer, with love and warm intent, to your post in red within your post. It makes things easier.



thxs, but plz call me a she not a he.
sadly no one has msg yet to help.

Maybe nobody wants to take your hands as such, first for the responsibilities it entails, karmic and present, second because we all have to thread the path taking the responsibilities for oneself, all of us, no exception, wherever you are from.

However, many hands have been showing you directions and you have given no feedback on these.


As i said before i was place in a fraction a group that i don't belong to.
It the group that was responsible for my incarnation was very wicked group.

you may have to look at it from another angle - the group responsible for your incarnation.... ?? are any groups truly responsible for our incarnations, I Wonder? Second, the group was supposedly wicked. What if in fact this incarnation was a service rendered to your soul?


Which to them they may see me as the wicked one for refusing to not look down onto other.

Each fraction and group see things differently.

If i ever want to have any chance of following myself and creating a path for myself this last sentence here seems a fruitful thinking path towards freedom

then i need to be remove from that fraction i was force into.

Which mean i need to talk to another fraction. Belief that is contrary to freedom - why not asking for people already freed to talk to you instead of asking to another faction?

Basically if i don't i will never be free. Belief Contrary to freedom

Well i know if am successful that i will simply be trading one shackle for another pair.The sentence that seem on the right thinking path towards beeing free is destroyed by the present one just before my comments


Sadly there is no free will. Again contrary to freedom search, that is exist or not does not matter much,your belief is not helpful.

As you will always be paying the price of your own will. This seems to me to be litterally a false belief. Your few sentences are filled with beliefs that are contrary to freedom. If you are not free, check first at the beliefs systems you have built in yourself (through others or through yourself).

You see, before anyone gives a hand, this anyone has to see the will in you to relinquish basic beliefs that are the building blocks of your actual feeling and situation. We have not seen that yet. Neither any answer to most of us posting here.


I think some missed my comment earlier. I see a fight of ego. And for some reason I see the need to intervene. Let's make it clear for all of us. Falien came and asked for help. His terms ware clear - if you can contact him with an et race then do so. We started by asking him alot of questions. I think it's obvious that no answers what so ever will be given since falien set his terms. If you didn't saw it yet I think that will be the time to stop with questions. Along this came alot of judgement for no reason. Which clearly ain't helping falien to get the help he needs and obviously adds alot of negative energy to this thread. This thread wasn't for fighting on each others beliefs, it was for finding help. I hope that by now some one already contacted you falien and if not then I hope some one will. Let's keep it simple if you can't help simply read this thread and keep any kind of judgement to yourself. If you can help simply click on falien's name and send him a pm. Much love guys.

[Falien]

So you say that no one want to help me... wow i would had never guess that
And you say i must take responsibility so does that mean i am in the wrong.
So let me ask you what give you the right to consider me in the wrong?
Why am i the one that must take responsibility for the action of other?
Would you mind answering those question?
And what right do you have to call me false?
My memories and experience are mine and not yours.
You may have memories and experience but mine and yours are different.
Am sorry that you have no respect for me.
But don't tell me how i should feel and what i should do.

There reason for my request that i have explain.
Have you even consider that the universe isn't how you think it is.
It suppose to be vast that said everything isn't the same.
There corruption on a grand scale.
Am sorry if this go against everything you want to believe.
So plz don't try to convert me to your way.
I know all too well how things really is.

Plz respect my request.


Please, allow me Falien to asnwer, with love and warm intent, to your post in red within your post. It makes things easier.



thxs, but plz call me a she not a he.
sadly no one has msg yet to help.

Maybe nobody wants to take your hands as such, first for the responsibilities it entails, karmic and present, second because we all have to thread the path taking the responsibilities for oneself, all of us, no exception, wherever you are from.

However, many hands have been showing you directions and you have given no feedback on these.


As i said before i was place in a fraction a group that i don't belong to.
It the group that was responsible for my incarnation was very wicked group.

you may have to look at it from another angle - the group responsible for your incarnation.... ?? are any groups truly responsible for our incarnations, I Wonder? Second, the group was supposedly wicked. What if in fact this incarnation was a service rendered to your soul?


Which to them they may see me as the wicked one for refusing to not look down onto other.

Each fraction and group see things differently.

If i ever want to have any chance of following myself and creating a path for myself this last sentence here seems a fruitful thinking path towards freedom

then i need to be remove from that fraction i was force into.

Which mean i need to talk to another fraction. Belief that is contrary to freedom - why not asking for people already freed to talk to you instead of asking to another faction?

Basically if i don't i will never be free. Belief Contrary to freedom

Well i know if am successful that i will simply be trading one shackle for another pair.The sentence that seem on the right thinking path towards beeing free is destroyed by the present one just before my comments


Sadly there is no free will. Again contrary to freedom search, that is exist or not does not matter much,your belief is not helpful.

As you will always be paying the price of your own will. This seems to me to be litterally a false belief. Your few sentences are filled with beliefs that are contrary to freedom. If you are not free, check first at the beliefs systems you have built in yourself (through others or through yourself).

You see, before anyone gives a hand, this anyone has to see the will in you to relinquish basic beliefs that are the building blocks of your actual feeling and situation. We have not seen that yet. Neither any answer to most of us posting here.


I think some missed my comment earlier. I see a fight of ego. And for some reason I see the need to intervene. Let's make it clear for all of us. Falien came and asked for help. His terms ware clear - if you can contact him with an et race then do so. We started by asking him alot of questions. I think it's obvious that no answers what so ever will be given since falien set his terms. If you didn't saw it yet I think that will be the time to stop with questions. Along this came alot of judgement for no reason. Which clearly ain't helping falien to get the help he needs and obviously adds alot of negative energy to this thread. This thread wasn't for fighting on each others beliefs, it was for finding help. I hope that by now some one already contacted you falien and if not then I hope some one will. Let's keep it simple if you can't help simply read this thread and keep any kind of judgement to yourself. If you can help simply click on falien's name and send him a pm. Much love guys.

[Flash]

this will be my last post in that thread

Let me be blunt


So you say that no one want to help me... wow i would had never guess that No, i said that you have to let go of those negative beliefs you hold about the possibiity of freedom before anyone can help you, even if they desire to, you will always fall back on those beliefs, making help innefficient, as you are presently showing, by transforming my words
And you say i must take responsibility so does that mean i am in the wrong.No, it does not mean you are in the wrong, but you take your own presumptions and deduction of what I mean and run with it, in your own ways, with your own belief system - I certainly won't fight against it if you do not see what is happening.
So let me ask you what give you the right to consider me in the wrong? I have not considered you "wrong", but your negative beliefs regarding freedom potential are not helping for sure- take it from grand mother 40 years experience plus Professional one. You know, the master appears when on is ready to hear him.
Why am i the one that must take responsibility for the action of other? You have to take responsibilities for your own thinking and your own actions - not the actions of others - I addressed your thinking
Would you mind answering those question?
And what right do you have to call me false? I never did - and stop having me play the bully in your mind so that you can in turn play the victim - i won't get into that hoop.
My memories and experience are mine and not yours.
You may have memories and experience but mine and yours are different.
Am sorry that you have no respect for me.this is your thinking , not mine
But don't tell me how i should feel and what i should do.

There reason for my request that i have explain.
Have you even consider that the universe isn't how you think it is.
It suppose to be vast that said everything isn't the same.
There corruption on a grand scale.
Am sorry if this go against everything you want to believe.
So plz don't try to convert me to your way.
I know all too well how things really is. So keep doing what you have been doing and thinking what you have been thinking, knowing so well how things really are. Why should anyone help then, since you already know

Plz respect my request. Always did. But i do think you may be a finger crusher if we ever try to make you see something else than what you already know. Keep defending your point until complete exhaustion happens. And here I am not talking about what happened to you in any lifetime, but about your beliefs


Please, allow me Falien to asnwer, with love and warm intent, to your post in red within your post. It makes things easier.



thxs, but plz call me a she not a he.
sadly no one has msg yet to help.

Maybe nobody wants to take your hands as such, first for the responsibilities it entails, karmic and present, second because we all have to thread the path taking the responsibilities for oneself, all of us, no exception, wherever you are from.

However, many hands have been showing you directions and you have given no feedback on these.


As i said before i was place in a fraction a group that i don't belong to.
It the group that was responsible for my incarnation was very wicked group.

you may have to look at it from another angle - the group responsible for your incarnation.... ?? are any groups truly responsible for our incarnations, I Wonder? Second, the group was supposedly wicked. What if in fact this incarnation was a service rendered to your soul?


Which to them they may see me as the wicked one for refusing to not look down onto other.

Each fraction and group see things differently.

If i ever want to have any chance of following myself and creating a path for myself this last sentence here seems a fruitful thinking path towards freedom

then i need to be remove from that fraction i was force into.

Which mean i need to talk to another fraction. Belief that is contrary to freedom - why not asking for people already freed to talk to you instead of asking to another faction?

Basically if i don't i will never be free. Belief Contrary to freedom

Well i know if am successful that i will simply be trading one shackle for another pair.The sentence that seem on the right thinking path towards beeing free is destroyed by the present one just before my comments


Sadly there is no free will. Again contrary to freedom search, that is exist or not does not matter much,your belief is not helpful.

As you will always be paying the price of your own will. This seems to me to be litterally a false belief. Your few sentences are filled with beliefs that are contrary to freedom. If you are not free, check first at the beliefs systems you have built in yourself (through others or through yourself).

You see, before anyone gives a hand, this anyone has to see the will in you to relinquish basic beliefs that are the building blocks of your actual feeling and situation. We have not seen that yet. Neither any answer to most of us posting here.


I think some missed my comment earlier. I see a fight of ego. And for some reason I see the need to intervene. Let's make it clear for all of us. Falien came and asked for help. His terms ware clear - if you can contact him with an et race then do so. We started by asking him alot of questions. I think it's obvious that no answers what so ever will be given since falien set his terms. If you didn't saw it yet I think that will be the time to stop with questions. Along this came alot of judgement for no reason. Which clearly ain't helping falien to get the help he needs and obviously adds alot of negative energy to this thread. This thread wasn't for fighting on each others beliefs, it was for finding help. I hope that by now some one already contacted you falien and if not then I hope some one will. Let's keep it simple if you can't help simply read this thread and keep any kind of judgement to yourself. If you can help simply click on falien's name and send him a pm. Much love guys.

[Falien]

Flash it is clear you do not like my thinking.
Why do you believe am being negative by seeking the type of help that i seek?
Why is everything negative for you?
Why do you feel that you can say what other feel?
Why do you feel that you can analyze and judge someone?
Why are you always questioning my thinking?

I see this as something that must be taken care of.
Your the one that is using the word negative.
For me not taking care of this would be negative.
For me am trying to do what is positive yet it is crashing with what you consider positive and negative.
I can't help that it crash with your views.


I feel that you are completely wrong.
I feel that you don't understand a thing about my situation.
I don't feel comfortable following what you have said as i believe it is wrong for me.
I have to follow what i feel and am sorry that this goes against your believe.


There are pillars in one journey that will block the light.
Ignoring them and walking away is what some are able to.
Yet each one will dim the light more and more.
There are those that can be taken care of by one selves and other that need help to dismantle.
I can understand how harsh it is when you need another help, how violating it is that you can't do it yourself.
But one should not be a shame because they need help.

How i see it by remembering it, it give you a chance to close that chapter.
How i see it that it be very negative by not taking the chance to close one chapter when given a chance.
It not negative to remember the bad experience.
It all depend on how it is dealt with.
For me i think the positive is trying to do something about it instead of trying to ignore it.
Yet sadly the pillar i have to deal with now does need a special type of help.
So i will not feel a shame anymore that i need the help of other, am sorry if this irritate you "flash".


To answer your question yes i was force here against my will.
It was no gift, as like i said that group was wicked.
I remember all to well, and about different angels do you really think i haven't tried that?
There has to be a time you just have to admit to the truth, you can't sugar coat something and think it will go away.

[Sierra]

All off the top of my head, no response from you expected or needed. Take anything that fits, and discard the rest.

Hmmmm... Souls are immortal. We've been here forever.

I suspect the painful "creation" you remember was an event that joined you to the evil ones. That would have taken consent on your part.

That you say you are willing to do anything, even sell yourself to a/the most wicked being, suggests you may have already done so. That you be so helpless now, suggests you did it for power, but as usual, wicked beings cheat, and the power was not what you expected.

It doesn't matter if this was done with spiritual beings or alien beings. Yes, there are very evil races out there, and if in that case, you are better off here on Earth. Because you have a chance to examine yourself, and what you did. You have a chance to examine humans, BE human, see more than one side, examine your judgements, perhaps reclaim sovereignty.

Reclaiming sovereignty does not mean escaping consequences, it means despite consequences, turning 180 degrees.

I suspect you are here, because you chose to be here, not your evil overlords. You chose to reject power, but now you don't know an alternative to power, and you are afraid of lacking power, being helpless.

You are here now, accept it. Or not. You are here now, be glad. Or not.

There is no get out of jail free card. No one has a get out of jail card to give you. All the negativity (whining) in the world will not change that fact.

They say to get out of the Earth jail, to graduate, one must find, see, and feel heaven on earth... Which implies love is the way to go, not fear.

So settle down, learn what you came to find, because it is here, you would not have been given a useless incarnation. Or not.

Your choice.

Always. :)

Given the tenor of your words, I will not be saying anything more. Good luck. :heart:

Sierra

[Sierra]

What I found interesting about this post was that the human element has a propensity for remembering the darkness but not so much the lightness of our being. Reincarnation and all the past life memories attached seem to bring up the ugly parts of our existence. We easily slip into forgetting ourselves, that we are all glorious and powerful as sparks of Creation. perilous feeling unless we see it on a media screen or read it in a book but we have all most probably experienced that.

I've had the opposite experience with memory. I was about to crash, I could see it coming (car accident), and time slowed WAY down. My life passed before my eyes, and all the events I saw, were those of love, and goodness. A voice spoke in my ear and it was the voice of the beloved, instructing me to roll the window down, and turn the car sideways. I was in utter trust hearing that voice.

I woke up lying down on the sidewalk, feet still in the car, a nurse standing over me, no broken bones, no hospital stay.

It was awesome. :)

[Falien]

You seem to suspect the worse from other.
I know all to well at that very moment i would had not submitted or agree to anything wicked.
To say that you suspect that i did is calling me a lire.
What right do you have to judge someone else?
What right you have to decide the fate of another?
You seem to suspect allot.
Can't you suspect that you could be wrong?

You don't understand how desperate someone can be.
Which suggest you never felt such a things.
What one would had done is not the same as what another may do.
What another felt is not the same for another.

What right do you have to say that am better off to be on earth?
What right do you have to decide what is best for another?

I claim i was force here and again you claim you suspect that am a lire.
You claim that i chose to be here which i know from my experience i did not.
So why do you get to over ride someone else experience?
What give you the right to question what another know to be true?

Then you claim that am here now with this issue so accept it.
What give you the right to consider that i shouldn't be help?
What right do you have to decide what path i take?

Your the one that use the word jail.
I however seeking to try to make things better.
Yet you telling me to calm down and soak in it.

What give you the right to decide what is and isn't for everyone?
I came to this site for help yet you do not like the type of help that am seeking.
So i ask you not to decide how i feel as i know how i feel, do not say the path that i seek as i know the path that a seek, do not block me because i do not take the path you think best... i will decide what is best no one else... i just happen to be in a place that i need to seek those in power to help me on this path... wither you agree or disagree plz support me and not hinder me... as right now your words feel allot like hindrance (wither you meant for them to or not)


All off the top of my head, no response from you expected or needed. Take anything that fits, and discard the rest.

Hmmmm... Souls are immortal. We've been here forever.

I suspect the painful "creation" you remember was an event that joined you to the evil ones. That would have taken consent on your part.

That you say you are willing to do anything, even sell yourself to a/the most wicked being, suggests you may have already done so. That you be so helpless now, suggests you did it for power, but as usual, wicked beings cheat, and the power was not what you expected.

It doesn't matter if this was done with spiritual beings or alien beings. Yes, there are very evil races out there, and if in that case, you are better off here on Earth. Because you have a chance to examine yourself, and what you did. You have a chance to examine humans, BE human, see more than one side, examine your judgements, perhaps reclaim sovereignty.

Reclaiming sovereignty does not mean escaping consequences, it means despite consequences, turning 180 degrees.

I suspect you are here, because you chose to be here, not your evil overlords. You chose to reject power, but now you don't know an alternative to power, and you are afraid of lacking power, being helpless.

You are here now, accept it. Or not. You are here now, be glad. Or not.

There is no get out of jail free card. No one has a get out of jail card to give you. All the negativity (whining) in the world will not change that fact.

They say to get out of the Earth jail, to graduate, one must find, see, and feel heaven on earth... Which implies love is the way to go, not fear.

So settle down, learn what you came to find, because it is here, you would not have been given a useless incarnation. Or not.

Your choice.

Always. :)

Given the tenor of your words, I will not be saying anything more. Good luck. :heart:

Sierra

[6pounder]

I'm pretty new around here and still getting connected with people and getting to know everyone. And so far it seem very odd to me that some one asked for help in her terms and all everyone do is scold and judge her for her truth. Can't any one see this? I though it's a place of light and understanding. Why can't some of us just let go of trying to teach someone instead of learn from him. She have her truth stop judging its the lowest thing we can do. Sent of you have alot of ego on yourself. I DO believe you will overcome that thing someday and understand what was right and wrong in your doing. If you can't be nice or helpful just keep it to yourself. By reading just the first page of this thread you should have all the detail to how approach this and what kind of help needed. Stop trying to change the facts. Put yourself in her place and see all of this through her eyes. Then speak your mind and don't try to prove that what you know is the better way.

[Anchor]

I just want at least a chance, some type of choice.

You have it - you always have it.

Consider your waking moments in the world today, do you not have choices to make, moment to moment?

You chose to join this forum and post here for example. You were not forced.


(am aware this post will get me ban from this forum as it always does with other forums)

Your posts do have some characteristics that seem to me to put you at that risk, but I always found this forum pretty tolerant.


Sadly there is no free will.
As you will always be paying the price of your own will.

You obviously believe this and thus you consider yourself imprisoned, and as such you, the prisoner would like to be free.

What is the composition of the prison?

What is the method of the lock?

Who has the key to your freedom?

Would you please clarify something - is the only help you consider worthwhile contact with an ET group?

[Falien]

It like saying you choice to breath.
Forcing yourself to stop breathing is a difficult matter.
As even if you succeed you will black out and the body your in will start breathing on it own.

If your in a box you can stay still or try to find a way out.
One may call that a choice yet it not.
Because your just trap in a situation doesn't mean that you place yourself there.
One have no right to say it a choice because they don't know how that person got into a box.

We do things because we have to do something.
We do things not because of choice but because were gasping for air while were caught in a stream.
Wither we try to do something or not it seem pretty hopeless and it seem more we try more were blame.
There doesn't seem like there is anyone willing to toss a line so one can get out of the currant that have control of are direction.

There maybe those with free will yet a few isn't most or even a good portion.
I for one did not have free will as i remember this and have said it.
If someone have free will then there free to take away someone else will.
That the thing is that there no simple left and right and things are not straight forwards.
There are those that doing to get the bad deal.
(free will has became a blame game)
(as most that use it has forgotten what that word meant)


You ask your question yet you refuse to see that the answer were already answer.
I have already answer them in my first post.
I also said the reason i was asking for contact with a different et group is that i need a group with the mean and resources that can do something.
Which clearly is in very sort supply as i don't see this mean in humans.
This is something beyond them.



I just want at least a chance, some type of choice.

You have it - you always have it.

Consider your waking moments in the world today, do you not have choices to make, moment to moment?

You chose to join this forum and post here for example. You were not forced.


(am aware this post will get me ban from this forum as it always does with other forums)

Your posts do have some characteristics that seem to me to put you at that risk, but I always found this forum pretty tolerant.


Sadly there is no free will.
As you will always be paying the price of your own will.

You obviously believe this and thus you consider yourself imprisoned, and as such you, the prisoner would like to be free.

What is the composition of the prison?

What is the method of the lock?

Who has the key to your freedom?

Would you please clarify something - is the only help you consider worthwhile contact with an ET group?

[Anchor]

Falien, thanks for the clarification.

I hope you get the help you need.

[Falien]

Is it that there no one here with personal connection with aliens?
Or is it that no one really want to help?

I really don't know what else to do.

[Shannon]

Is it that there no one here with personal connection with aliens?
Or is it that no one really want to help?

I really don't know what else to do.

There's plenty of peeps here that have connections and experiences with aliens...

I apologize if I'm out of line, but you basically told everyone here that you weren't going to go into specific details...this may have made others not want to go into their own specific details.

There are literally hundreds of threads with members personal stories and such. If I were you I would do some reading and contact those members privately.

Like I said before, good luck.

[Falien]

Is it that there no one here with personal connection with aliens?
Or is it that no one really want to help?

I really don't know what else to do.

There's plenty of peeps here that have connections and experiences with aliens...

I apologize if I'm out of line, but you basically told everyone here that you weren't going to go into specific details...this may have made others not want to go into their own specific details.

There are literally hundreds of threads with members personal stories and such. If I were you I would do some reading and contact those members privately.

Like I said before, good luck.
I gave much more then the needed information.
It not pleasant for me talking about this.
Nor is it easy.
It hard to breath just by giving out a little information.

Nor was i planing on being rude and just msg everyone with connection privately.
Yes i have pm a few.

Most do not like getting a pm out from no were that they don't know.
Many seem to be annoy from it.
(i was trying to be respectful)

[Falien]

Maybe i should ask if there is any real abducty.
Because all i have spoken from e-mail were complete fake.
Been in e-mail with many claiming the reason why i was created was to suffer.
That how dare i fight and complain about my place.
That am worthless that if i had any value i would suffer probably.

I get this same garbage over and over.
So yea are there any real or is it just all a freaking sick game to all of you.