The Left-Hand Path, or "what the illuminati plan for the masses"?

[Wood]

The 20th century has seen major social changes that now seem to be reaching a climax. New age, sexual revolution, rise and now fall of education standards, relaxation of all moral codes and a big shift to our 'lower'/wordly side (hedonism, sex, money, consumerism, etc) from our spiritual side.

This is what occultists call 'the left hand path'. Quoting from this wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-Hand_Path):

The terms Left-Hand Path and Right-Hand Path are a dichotomy between two opposing philosophies found in the Western Esoteric Tradition, which itself covers various groups involved in the occult and ceremonial magic. In some definitions, the Left-Hand Path is equated with malicious Black Magic and the Right-Hand Path with beneficial White Magic.

The Right-Hand Path

The Right-Hand Path is commonly thought to refer to magical or religious groups which adhere to a certain set of characteristics:
They adhere to social conventions and avoid taboos.
They divide the concepts of mind, body and spirit into three separate, albeit interrelated entities.
They adhere to a specific moral code and a belief in some form of judgement, such as karma or the Threefold Law.
Esoteric groups that could be considered to be RHP include Theosophy, as well as various Neopagan religions such as Druidry, Wicca, Kemetism, Celtic Neopaganism, Slavic Neopaganism, Germanic Neopaganism, and certain traditions of Thelema such as the Ordo Templi Orientis and the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, or the Gnostic Catholic Church. Right-Hand Path Tantra (Sanskrit: Dakshinachara) is also included. The occultists Dion Fortune and William G. Gray consider non-magical Abrahamic religions to be RHP, although the term is rarely used outside of magical societies such as Fraternity of the Inner Light and Ordo Templi Orientis. Other RHP traditions include most of Taoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, and all other Dharmic religions.

The Left-Hand Path

The historian Dave Evans studied self-professed followers of the Left-Hand Path in the early 21st century, making several observations about their practices:
They often reject societal convention and the status quo, which some suggest is in a search for spiritual freedom. As a part of this, LHP followers embrace magical techniques that would traditionally be viewed as taboo, for instance using sex magic or embracing Satanic imagery. As Mogg Morgan wrote, the "breaking of taboos makes magick more potent and can lead to reintegration and liberation, [for example] the eating of meat in a vegetarian community can have the same liberating effect as anal intercourse in a sexually inhibited straight society."
They often question religious or moral dogma, instead adhering to forms of personal anarchism.
They often embrace sexuality and incorporate it into magical ritual.
Under these definitions, various esoteric groups, often with widely differing beliefs, could be considered to be followers of the LHP. These include various forms of Satanism, such as LaVeyan Satanism as well as Theistic Satanism. Other Western LHP philosophies include Setianism, the Typhonian Order, Luciferianism, many beliefs of the New Age movement, Chaos Magic, Feri, magicians involved with demonology, as well as groups like the Dragon Rouge and the Order of Nine Angles. Several eastern philosophies could also be viewed as adhering to the LHP including forms of Taoism, forms of Hinduism such as Aghoris and Vamachara, forms of Buddhism like the Drukpa Lineage and Bön.

"In Buddhist tantra, the right hand symbolises the male aspect of compassion or skilful means, and the left hand represents the female aspect of wisdom or emptiness. Ritual hand-held attributes, such as the vajra and bell, vajra and lotus, damaru and bell, damaru and khatvanga, arrow and bow, curved knife and skull-cup, sword and shield, hook and rope snare, etc., placed in the right and left hands respectively, symbolise the union of the active male aspect of skilful means with the contemplative female aspect of wisdom.

Quoting from the book 'The secret teachings of all ages' by Manly P. Hall, p. 193:

The famous Pythagorean Υ signified the power of choice and was used in the Mysteries as emblematic of the Forking of the Ways. The central stem separated into two parts, one branching to the right and the other to the left. The branch to the right was called Divine Wisdom and the one to the left Earthly Wisdom. Youth, personified by the candidate, walking the Path of Life, symbolized by the central stem of the Υ, reaches the point where the Path divides. The neophyte must then choose whether he will take the left-hand path and, following the dictates of his lower nature, enter upon a span of folly and thoughtlessness which will inevitably result in his undoing, or whether he will take the right-hand road and through integrity, industry, and sincerity ultimately regain union with the immortals in the superior spheres.
[EDIT: the book can be checked online, here is a link (http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta15.htm) for the chapter corresponding to the quote above; I recommend reading a few more paragraphs]

Does this mean the LHP leads to destruction of the soul, devolving the beings into an animal state or into a hive mind society (i.e. 'Avatar' movie), while the RHP leads to what is usually understood as ascension? Is it appropiate to call them the Lemurian path (LHP) and the Atlantean path (RHP)? Is it balance what we should strive for, despite that 'Pythagorean Υ' (the peace symbol comes to my mind here), or that means we remain unevolved?

It is very clear to me that the shift in mainstream society that has been happening for a few decades correlates very well with the LHP, and that this fits into the larger scheme of the New World Order.

Just some food for thought, and a call for careful discernment. The stakes might be high indeed...

[tpmputterman]

Very Interesting indeed!!!

I really don't classify myself with any religion, and don't practice any rituals or magic. Reading both the LHP and RHP I feel I almost do both without the
rituals and affiliations.

Interesting!!!

[JamesB]

It's interesting too from ancient times and up until the present we shake with the right hand - not the left. Those who deal with others in a less than honest way are said to be doing so in a 'left handed' way...etc.

In the Hebrew tradition since the orientation of Torah is facing east, the left hand is associated with the north. The northern most constellation is that of Draco. Draco is associated with taniyn - the dragons; or, as Credo calls them, the "Chitauri". One passage in the Hebrew writings is, "I will bring evil from the north upon the land (erets - 'earth')." David Icke is on about something that the ancients were on about as well.

Nothing new under the sun, I guess.

[Humble Janitor]

I'm on either path at times. Should aim more for the RHP but it's not easy when there are desires that can only be satisfied by the LHP (mainly, sexual-retated issue).

[Moemers]

Actually, the differences in paths stem from Tantra.

RHP = Seeking the divine symbolically (Holy Communion)

LHP = Seeking the divine literally (Sex magicks)

[Moemers]

To clarify, since my edit button won't work:


RHP = Seeking the divine symbolically (Transubstantiation, More agnostic)

LHP = Seeking the divine literally (Having the actual experience, more gnostic)

[Wood]

As JamesB says it seems to me the left-hand path is likened to the plans reptilians have for humans.


How the New World Order (Global Governance) is taking control right under our nose

* No. 1: First get rid of Individuality
* "Political Correctness" the major tool of the New World Order
* Our Reptoid Creators first tried to make us slaves
* The Sirian Geneticist allowed man to think & become spiritual
* The ability to think is now being programmed out of humans
* New World Order working through small minority groups
* The focus of schooling children: to have non opinions
* Reading, writing and arithmetic being replaced with socializing
* New World Order is an order based on corporate states
* On the agenda of the New World Order: Depopulate the Earth
* Reptoids behind New World Order would again makes us slaves

This was briefly discussed on this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5849-The-Cosmic-Races-Sympathy-and-Polarity), with information taken from these two links:
http://rune.galactic.to/etgen2.html
http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/creator/overview2.htm

[EDIT: I do not agree with the last point though. I think they want to highly reduce the population without karmic effects or breaking any cosmic law or whatever: once people stop being sentient or having a soul connection...]


Regarding the two paths, I've read somewhere how the left-hand path involves awakening kundalini, the serpent, rising from the root chakra up to the crown chakra, while the right-hand path does the opposite: to enable the flow of energies from the top (crown chakra) down to the base of the spine (root chakra). My reservations about Kundalini awakening is that it is said to involve very powerful energies that may drive to madness or even kill the unprepared ones (Kundalini meeting with Shiva, the destroyer).
Live fast, party hard, die young. This idea is shown, for example, in the replicants of "Blade Runner" (i.e. "Roy Batty") or in the movie "Cecil B. Demented".

[bashi]

RHP = Seeking the divine symbolically (Transubstantiation, More agnostic)

LHP = Seeking the divine literally (Having the actual experience, more gnostic)

In both ways you are seeking to experience the divine, the approach is just different

[bashi]

Regarding the two paths, I've read somewhere how the left-hand path involves awakening kundalini, the serpent, rising from the root chakra up to the crown chakra, while the right-hand path does the opposite: to enable the flow of energies from the top (crown chakra) down to the base of the spine (root chakra).

This understanding is wrong. In both paths the kundalini is awakened to meet "Shiva" in the Crown Chakra. Only the way to awaken it, is different:
LHP: Transformation of the sexual act into a divine act and thus controlling the flow of the energy, preventing the loss
RHP: Suppression of sexual activities until the "pressure" is high enough to stimulate the upward flow of energy.



My reservations about Kundalini awakening is that it is said to involve very powerful energies that may drive to madness or even kill the unprepared ones


That danger exists in nearly all more sophisticated activities . that's why you need a teacher (real Guru) and practice (Sadhana) before you can drive a car safely (Kundalini awakening).

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[Wood]

In both ways you are seeking to experience the divine, the approach is just different
I believe the divine is in every living being, be it a human, an animal or an immortal.

There are clues everywhere of the struggle between two sides and two paths: the tree of life, back into the garden of eden, shifting back to a great ape, and the tree of knowledge.

The two paths even have a scientific basis in our body: the left hand is controlled by the right side of the brain, that of the visual perception, while the right hand belongs to the left side of the brain, that of analitical reasoning.

[Wood]

This understanding is wrong. In both paths the kundalini is awakened to meet "Shiva" in the Crown Chakra. Only the way to awaken it, is different:
LHP: Transformation of the sexual act into a divine act and thus controlling the flow of the energy, preventing the loss
RHP: Suppression of sexual activities until the "pressure" is high enough to stimulate the upward flow of energy.


I'll quote here a question from the interview to James of Wingmakers from PC, about Kundalini awakening:


Question 23 from Project Camelot:

In what way, is awareness of oneself as a Sovereign Integral any different from the self-realization attained through meditation and awakening of kundalini? And, considering the breathing technique you are referencing in your material, is this not the same as any other technique which stimulates the rise of kundalini, linking of the chakras and eventually, enlightenment?

Answer 23 from James: As you may have already surmised from my previous answers, the Sovereign Integral is the re-conceptualized expression of the human soul during the era of transparency and expansion. This era will be anchored in the experience of the Grand Portal, which is the consciousness of First Source – Sovereign Integrals unified and self aware – living upon Earth. This is the era whose shoreline we have just touched, and those tools, techniques, mental models, and methods of the previous age, well, they are not relevant, just as the abacus is not relevant in the age of computers.

Yes, I’m aware that I’m being very direct here, but it is time to be direct and truthful without over care to consequences and how people may respond. Look at it this way, and I am not picking on Eastern spirituality, but you asked the question about kundalini and so I’ll respond accordingly, but what I am saying applies to all of the traditional methods and mental models regardless of their cultural roots.

Kundalini is a complex system of energy manipulation within the human instrument culminating in enlightenment of the mind. It is a system of ascension where a teacher who knows how to activate the kundalini helps the student orchestrate their chakra or energy system. Well, what is energy? In the dimensions of the Sovereign Integral there is no energy. There is no fluctuation of energy. There is no yin-yang of energy. Energy is a concept of the mind. So those who spend endless hours working with energy, where has it taken you?

Energy exists in the HMS. It is real in the physical world. It is indisputably a part of the human instrument, and yet, the Sovereign Integral is constant, aware, awake, observant, alive, infinite, and, as odd as it may seem, it is not energy. It is not of energy. It does not require energy. It is not existent because of energy. Before there was energy there was the Sovereign Integral. Before there was a Human Mind System, there was the Sovereign Integral.

You might say, “Okay, but doesn’t the practice of kundalini (or any other legitimate ascension practice) accelerate my ability to understand the Sovereign Integral?” And my answer would be a qualified, “yes,” but only to the degree you are willing to release what you have learned and establish a new First Point that doesn’t include separation or complexity. Once you have invested yourself in a proficiency rank, accrued your expertise, are proceeding to become a teacher, you are in danger of being attached to the irrelevant and obsolete, and these can become like vines that cling to you and constrict your flexibility of movement to the new era in which we now move and have Our Being.

Let me be clear, for those who believe that a master can pronounce special words to them, as in the case of Deeksha (related to kundalini), and by these very words, cause them to be magnetically drawn to enlightenment, they are deluded. If someone believes they are enlightened by reading any book, they are deluded. If someone believes they can repeat a mantra and they are enlightened, they are deluded.

I am not trying to be confrontational here, but the simple facts are that billions of people on this planet are deluded in their practice of spirituality, the occult, religion, and yes, even science. They practice what they believe will move them closer to truth, when they themselves are truth, and their practice only creates thicker walls between awareness and truth. The era of transparency and expansion is all about bringing walls down. It is not about the absorption of more knowledge and information.

Quantum Pause is not related to kundalini or the belief system that surrounds it. In homage to Gertrude Stein, one could say that a breath technique, is a breath technique, is a breath technique, but that has not been my experience. While Quantum Pause is indeed a breath technique at its core, it is also a method to leave the human instrument and experience the Sovereign Integral state of consciousness. This is because breath is the highway or portal out of the human instrument, if done with the appropriate First Point.

Remember that the astral and mind domains are within the human instrument, so we are not interested in journeying there since they remain inside the Human Mind System, and are thus illusory and misleading. Quantum Pause is a method or process of disentangling from the Human Mind System, realizing that your self-definitions and identifications with culture, family, religion, spirituality, material possessions, money, and purpose, have been programmed and are not really who you are.

This is a difficult path for many people to accept, but this is what Quantum Pause is designed to achieve. It is the breath, enabled through Nature, that is life-giving to the human instrument, and it is the human instrument that is life-giving to the Sovereign Integral within the manifested physical reality of Earth. Thus, breath is the link, and Quantum Pause enables this link to be nurtured, expanded, strengthened, and made stable.

It is also important to understand that everything I bring forward for an individual’s consideration should be treated as a framework, not a prescriptive technique that should be followed rigidly. Individuals need to take responsibility for establishing their own exploratory techniques, methods of expansion, and new behaviors of disentangling from the HMS. Quantum Pause is a framework, not a specific system. With the web (an analogue of the Genetic Mind), there are ways to share your adjustments, add-ons, alterations, and new techniques, and I would encourage people to do this.

One last comment on the application of Quantum Pause, the big “wow” experience is not the fish you are trying to catch. You are not trying to attract anything to you; you are not trying to learn new information or become more knowledgeable; you are not trying to move energy around in your body; you are not trying to leave your body; and you are not trying to commune with your higher self or God. Your purpose, in applying Quantum Pause, is to pull down the walls that separate you from that state of consciousness that you are, and will always be, and have always been.

Quantum Pause is designed to align you with the transparency and expansion of this era of which we are all a part.

From that I conclude that while the LHP involves Kundalini awakening, the RHP is another thing, different altogether (although maybe not in the context of Tantra). A path out of the illusion of this reality.

[WyoSeeker]

Does this mean the LHP leads to destruction of the soul, devolving the beings into an animal state or into a hive mind society (i.e. 'Avatar' movie), while the RHP leads to what is usually understood as ascension?

This is an interesting question for me as well. I've read competing ideas on this. One concept is that all souls were created at the same time and are eternal. That survival of identity is guaranteed regardless of how long or difficult the journey. I believe Caycee and the Conversations with God material support this view.

Other works I've read put forward your idea that it is possible, through continuously choosing the service to self path, to devolve to a point of dissolution or non-existence. The Book of Urantia is the first example to pop to mind.

I'd be interested to hear what others think...

[bashi]

I'll quote here a question from the interview to James of Wingmakers from PC, about Kundalini awakening:



From that I conclude that while the LHP involves Kundalini awakening, the RHP is another thing, different altogether (although maybe not in the context of Tantra). A path out of the illusion of this reality.

Well, if your spritual knowledge is drawn only from this, then your conclusion might be right.
What is presented here is interlectual BS, with no practical background. The best proof of this statement is your own, wrong conclusion.
You should start reading books from people who have Walked the Talk, like Paramhansa Yogananda, Patanjali etc.
Are you telling me that all the RHP Yogis, Rishis etc. are "deluded" ?

[Wood]

Well, if your spritual knowledge is drawn only from this, then your conclusion might be right.
What is presented here is interlectual BS, with no practical background. The best proof of this statement is your own, wrong conclusion.

I am trying to connect dots using all information I can find while having in mind three key ideas:
* this world is ruled by a group of beings since a long time, and they control most of the information available (see this comment by Bill Ryan (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8792-TPTB-TPTW-etc&p=76117&viewfull=1#post76117))
* what is marketed to us is usually wrong, be it genetically modified food or kundalini awakening, and the 'good stuff' is kept hidden.
* there are many references to reptilian beings (be it snakes, dragons, shape-shifting demons, etc), and they are usually likened to the senses and to evilness and trickery.

James from wingmakers talks about how the annunaki enslaved us into this reality and relates himself to Atlantean people. This fits nicely with how bad Atlantis is depicted in 'mainstream' places versus Lemuria, that incidentally, was allegedly close geographically to India.

I'll quote, as another example, from this wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge) about the Demiurge in Gnosticism, that matches what wingmakers say about the annunaki.


Gnosticism presents a distinction between the highest, unknowable God and the demiurgic “creator” of the material. Several systems of Gnostic thought present the Demiurge as antagonistic to the will of the Supreme Being: his act of creation occurs in unconscious semblance of the divine model, and thus is fundamentally flawed, or else is formed with the malevolent intention of entrapping aspects of the divine in materiality. Thus, in such systems, the Demiurge acts as a solution to the problem of evil.

Yaldabaoth

In the Apocryphon of John circa 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:
Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas (“fool”), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.
He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. The Demiurge, fearing lest Jesus, whom he had intended as his Messiah, should spread the knowledge of the Supreme God, had him crucified by the Jews. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.
In Pistis Sophia Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. 257, 382). He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame and half darkness.
Yaldabaoth is frequently called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides, with the body of a serpent. We are told also, that the Demiurge is of a fiery nature, the words of Moses being applied to him, “the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire,” a text used also by Simon.


Are you telling me that all the RHP Yogis, Rishis etc. are "deluded" ?
I am talking about the RHP from a point of view as general as possible, starting from occultist ideas, taken mainly from the book by Manly P. Hall. Thus I am not targetting Tantra or other bodies of knowledge I am barely familiar with. Also, I am open to the possibility that all of those gurus you mention might be deluded, yes, since I've found we'd rather question all information that easily comes to us nowadays.

[EDIT: with 'deluded' I do not mean their methods do not work or that are harmful. It is just a path, after all, and the divine is everywhere]

[Wood]

This is an interesting question for me as well. I've read competing ideas on this. One concept is that all souls were created at the same time and are eternal. That survival of identity is guaranteed regardless of how long or difficult the journey. I believe Caycee and the Conversations with God material support this view.

Other works I've read put forward your idea that it is possible, through continuously choosing the service to self path, to devolve to a point of dissolution or non-existence. The Book of Urantia is the first example to pop to mind.

I'd be interested to hear what others think...

My gut feeling tells me souls can dissolve completely. I think souls/spirits are fragments in the consciousness of God that somehow keep together, probably by a sense of self-identity. By removing that the soul would dissolve into the sea of consciousness like a dream dissolves in our mind after waking up.

Even if souls are eternal I think we do not have a full connection with our souls at the moment. This connection may strengthen or it may weaken, moving us back to an state similar to that of an animal or a robot. We could even be intelligent like a computer but somehow not 'sentient', even if we (our bodies, that is) remain alive.

Another way I like to think about this is that the soul is just a level of consciousness inside the consciousness of God. I can think of the 'consciousness' level of a rock (existence), then that of a vegetal life-form (growth), animal (instinct), human (intellect) and above that, intuition/soul, and who knows what else. Thus our souls/consciousnesses might not dissolve but shrink. I think people, at the moment, may choose to further expand their consciousnesses to finally get a full soul, or to shrink them back into animal state or below (being an intermediate state that of the movie Avatar).

[bashi]

* what is marketed to us is usually wrong, be it genetically modified food or kundalini awakening, and the 'good stuff' is kept hidden.



I'll quote, as another example, from this wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge) about the Demiurge in Gnosticism, that matches what wingmakers say about the annunaki.



Thus I am not targetting Tantra or other bodies of knowledge I am barely familiar with.
Also, I am open to the possibility that all of those gurus you mention might be deluded, yes, since I've found we'd rather question all information that easily comes to us nowadays.



You are admitting that you have no idea of what you are talking about. That's ok.
It looks like the blind is trying to lead the blind.
Well, it's your thread.
Have a look at this thread from time to time:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8811-Spiritual-Reality
I am out of this...

[bashi]

BTW, if you want to get rid of disinfo spread here : http://www.wingmakers.com ,

then try this for a change:
http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=2588

[Wood]

You are admitting that you have no idea of what you are talking about. That's ok.
It looks like the blind is trying to lead the blind.
Well, it's your thread.
Have a look at this thread from time to time:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8811-Spiritual-Reality

I've watched that video, thank you. It has given me a few insights about actual experiences I've had during meditation.
However, I am giving a different perspective about both paths, not talking specifically about what Tantra says about them. I have quoted teachings from Pythagoras, for example, Also, I am not here to teach but rather to learn by sharing my own views and getting feedback... And no, it is not my thread. Threads belong to everybody contributing to them IMHO.


BTW, if you want to get rid of disinfo spread here : http://www.wingmakers.com ,

then try this for a change:
http://www.ethericwarriors.com/ip/viewtopic.php?t=2588


I'll check it now. I am not just using information taken from wingmakers though, but connecting multiple pieces from several sources (occultism, mythology, ancient art, spirituality, new age, etc), without being an expert in any of the fields.


Now, back to connecting dots. This page (http://www.well.com/~davidu/eighthgate.html) talks about ancient leontocephaline figures, that is, a human body with a lion head with a snake winding around it, and a key in the hand. It argues how on some representations it apparently rises out of the zodiac (the 12 paths inside this illusion?) towards, and this is my interpretation, true freedom. I've seen representations of the leontocephaline where it kills the serpent, and how the serpent killing was replaced later by the killing of the bull. This fits nicely with the 'bull, lion, eagle, human' of the bible, for example, where the bull, as the serpent, represents our lower nature. I've also read in other sources how the leontocephaline was represented, as the angels, without genitals, probably representing the successful balance of yin and yang forces, feminine and masculine, within a single being?
And yet, later, the Mithraic cult with a leontocephaline not killing the serpent is likened to Lucifer and later to the freemasons. Please see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7176-What-makes-christmas-important-is-it-the-date&p=61541#post61541).


This connection between the leontocephaline and the zodiac can be clarified by noticing that in Origen's Contra Celsum, Celsus describes a Mithraic symbol consisting of a ladder with seven gates, each associated with one of the seven planets, while at the top there is an eighth gate associated with the sphere of the fixed stars and leading to the region beyond that sphere (VI:22). The leontocephaline, as is well-known, almost always holds a key (according to Maarten Vermaseren he does so in the Barberini painting, although it is difficult to see), and this key is reasonably identified as the key to the celestial gates described by Celsus. However, since the leontocephaline is never linked in Mithraic iconography with any of the planets, but is clearly associated with the zodiac, it seems likely that he has a special connection with Celsus' eighth gate-- that of the sphere of the fixed stars and the realm beyond it-- since it is on that sphere that the zodiac lies.


In the Acts of Thomas, the same text that includes the famous Gnostic Hymn of the Pearl, the apostle Thomas is confronted by a serpent. The serpent speaks to him, and at one point says, "I am son of him who girds the sphere about; and I am kinsman of him who is outside the ocean, whose tail is set in his own mouth."

[MariaDine]

The post talks about 2 paths. ..............But the path is only one. ................. The diference between them is the «Intention». ...Confuse ?!... .........Yes ! ...You should be.

and yes....it´s suppose to make you think about this sentence.

[Wood]

Unfortunately I am feeling less confused nowadays MariaDine :).


Quote from the book 'DOSSIER OF THE ASCENSION: A PRACTICAL GUIDE TO KUNDALINI ACTIVATION' by Michael Sharp, who says about himself that belongs to the annunaki side, albeit to the 'good ones'. He also mentions he is one of the twelve masters teaching each a path to awakening. I've written about that in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7480-An-appeal-to-LOVE-by-Keisha-Crowther-her-visit-to-Holland-on-the-27th-of-Oct.-2010&p=75465&viewfull=1#post75465).

This excerpt discusses 'control clauses' that block our crown chakra (seat of our connection to spirit):

Because the lotus expresses your spiritual consciousness, and because even a weakly expressed spiritual consciousness cannot be fooled, enslaved, or overpowered, the Annunaki put a lot of effort into building a system that severely restricts the entrance of your spiritual consciousness into your physical vessel.

All of us undergo this restriction to work on this earth towards the ascension! The restriction is experienced as a sort of dumbing down of our ability to be in and conscious of the physical world. This restriction of our consciousness severely curtails our ability to understand the world and what is going on in it. The restriction can be so severe that we are totally clueless about the true nature of this world (i.e., as a slave planet) and totally tuned out and desensitized to our own servitude.

In the worst cases, it is possible to be so zoned out that we can literally watch a totalitarian world order being built right before our eyes and be totally unaware of it.

As always it is important to remind you, so you don’t become filled with anger and resentment, that this all a part of our ascension experiment. Without this very important restriction of our consciousness, our consciousness is so bright and so capable that not even the deepest, most deceptive Annunaki manipulation would fool us.

We would simply see through it all like the foolish fumbling in duality (with a purpose!) that this all really is.

I can't help smelling a subtle sarcasm hidden between lines, that can also be found in several other places in the book.


Through the ages the Annunaki have modified their control strategy to suit the energies and predilection of the historical epoch. In our modern “scientific” times the restriction of our consciousness is accomplished by the persistent repetition of the core Annunaki control mantra, The Bell Curve. The Bell Curve symbolically represents in consciousness the presumed natural distribution of intelligence and ability in the populations of this planet. According to the Annunaki system, only a few individuals (less then 2% of the population) can attain “full consciousness.” Only these two percent have the talent and ability to control the world. The rest are destined for some more modest place in the prevailing hierarchical system of slavery where they will be thankful for their position in the social hierarchies.

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Unfortunately I am feeling less confused nowadays MariaDine .

wood, why do you say: unfortunately for less confused? why do you think michael sharp knows he's of annunakis and what makes it good? sharp's opinion? :unsure: l




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[Wood]

wood, why do you say: unfortunately for less confused?
:)


why do you think michael sharp knows he's of annunakis and what makes it good? sharp's opinion? :unsure: l
I am just quoting his claims. I actually believe the path he teaches is one of the twelve paths that would keep us into this illusion, same as Keisha Crowther's, for example.


A few final comments, by way of explanation and orientation, are appropriate before moving on. At this point you should know that there is no single Path of Activation. Just as there are many ways to discover the truth about this world (you can read books, go online, find alternative media sources, meditate and open to Spirit, etc.) so there are different paths towards the ascension of the body. If we want to be technically accurate, I would tell you that there are exactly twelve Great (or Grand) Paths (a great path consists of one Path of Awakening and one Path of Activation.). Together, we call all 12 Great Paths the Master Paths.
The energy for each Grand Path is held by one of twelve Master Teachers (or just masters) for short. If the master has already completed the ascension process the master is called an Ascended Master. Each teacher associated with a path is responsible for holding and advancing the teachings of that Grand Path.
That is a fragment of Michael Sharp's remarks about the paths. Then Keisha Crowther talks about she being one of 12 'young shamans' incarnated to teach the way, or something like that. I suspect that Drunvalo Melchizedek and Ashayana Deane might represent two other paths...

[Beth]

Does there always have to be TWO paths? Pick just one? Can I like guns and sex at the same time? We surround ourselves with dichotomy far too much. I like several choices, like Baskin Robins (31 flavors) and a night of appetizers instead of one meal.

[truthseekerdan]

There are many paths out there -- many are winding, and a few are straight. Ultimately everyone has to learn how to be STO, and Unconditional Love. It's up to each of us to choose (freedom of choice) his/her's...

[truthseekerdan]

Other works I've read put forward your idea that it is possible, through continuously choosing the service to self path, to devolve to a point of dissolution or non-existence. The Book of Urantia is the first example to pop to mind.

I'd be interested to hear what others think...

Some souls learn faster than others. Nothing is lost -- everything is energy (consciousness), and part (fragments, frequencies...) of the Great Intellect (Source).

Remember this reality (life) is just a 3D illusion -- so that the Source thru "us individualities" may experience an illusionary separation from Oneness, and all emotions that are "outside" Unconditional Love.

Namaste ~ Dan

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wood:
That is a fragment of Michael Sharp's remarks about the paths. Then Keisha Crowther talks about she being one of 12 'young shamans' incarnated to teach the way, or something like that. I suspect that Drunvalo Melchizedek and Ashayana Deane might represent two other paths...

keisha mentions 12 other teachers, but not 12 other ways..from what i remember.

i think there's only ever ONE cut out for you...if you want to call these fine differences other ways, then there's billions, not just 12...you don't choose, you RECOGNIZE one and stick with it...from what i can gather, micheal sharp describes a spiritual supermarket...


what do you understand by awakening? what do you understand by ascension? please don't quote michael or anyone..what do you think? :yu: l


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[Victoria Tintagel]

Wood:
Regarding the two paths, I've read somewhere how the left-hand path involves awakening kundalini, the serpent, rising from the root chakra up to the crown chakra, while the right-hand path does the opposite: to enable the flow of energies from the top (crown chakra) down to the base of the spine (root chakra). My reservations about Kundalini awakening is that it is said to involve very powerful energies that may drive to madness or even kill the unprepared ones (Kundalini meeting with Shiva, the destroyer).

Thanks Wood, for this valuable discussion. I agree on the danger of carelessless and experimenting with kundalini awakening, as this may result in madness, yes. There's confusion on the use of kundalini flow and awakening, regarding the different approach of it, in the cultures of India and ancient Egypt.
See my reply to Bashi's quote here, at the end.

There are (of course) lots of opinions on how to (make) use (of) sexual energy, it's the portal to our soul to connect with our bodies. And a tool for procreation. Even rejuvenation. The early priesthoods and Church institutions decided "in their holy wisdom" and attempt to control the masses. To cut off people from their pleasures in sex and sensual pleasures. Why in Heaven's name should they allow their sheep to enter the Kingdom of Heaven on their own? Hmmmm?

One of the most evil manipulations of the early priesthoods and Church institutes, is the programming of their "sheep" to think sex is evil and sinful, to be shameful about sex and the desire for it. The Bible shows this in the example of Eve and Adam, eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Suddenly they were embarassed and self conscious, covering their naked bodies......and how they were chased out of the Garden of Eden,
by an angel with a sword.

The snake in this story, who (supposedly) offered the apple to Eve, is nothing else then the life force energy, the sexual energy that was awakened during the bite in the apple. Both Adam and Eve became self conscious and separated as male and female, in body and sense of Self. Duality consciousness....resulting in the attraction, the sex appeal, between the male and female body. This was a simple and necessary step in that moment of evolution of mankind: the capacity to bring forth next generations.

There's so much nonsensical humiliating stuff attached to the meaning of the snake and sexual energy, relating to our joy of the senses, creation of life and sustanance of our bodies. I am quite furious and passionate on this subject. Cause it's such a long mind controlled cutting off of our natural way of being and relating.
I am fearless too, in speaking about this subject, proud actually, to express my opinion and my passion. Many women, me one of them, have been restricted for such a long time and now that am beginning to know myself, I simply cannot be stopped :) No hiding of my Light anymore :) Sunglasses are in Sale now, please apply them when necessary :)


Originally Posted by Wood
Regarding the two paths, I've read somewhere how the left-hand path involves awakening kundalini, the serpent, rising from the root chakra up to the crown chakra, while the right-hand path does the opposite: to enable the flow of energies from the top (crown chakra) down to the base of the spine (root chakra).

Bashi:
This understanding is wrong. In both paths the kundalini is awakened to meet "Shiva" in the Crown Chakra. Only the way to awaken it, is different:
LHP: Transformation of the sexual act into a divine act and thus controlling the flow of the energy, preventing the loss
RHP: Suppression of sexual activities until the "pressure" is high enough to stimulate the upward flow of energy.

Hey Bashi, I feel a bit shy and awkward to discuss sexual energy, now with you and Wood, but I am glad to know you are well informed on the Indian traditions of tantra knowledge. There is another tradition in the use of sexual energy flow, stemming from ancient Egyptian traditions. The flow of sexual energy is never suppressed and forced, only channeled in a certain way. The Egyptian Ankh is a symbol for this, the practice allows one to save the sexual energy within the energy system, a closed circuit so to speak, instead of loosing this energy outwards. The orgastic state is a rejuvenation of our cells in our bodies. It's really true! No kidding, just laughing......it's working on my laugh muscles, can't help it :)

When a man and a woman choose to be in that state, both of them, they create rejuvenation for both of them. That's where a man and a woman in love thrive on. What a win-win situation...laughing out loud now....forgive me, ha ha.....ahem.
Try to be serious now, Tint! It's Sirius business here! Uhmmmm :)

The ancient Egyptian tantric knowledge was used, also, in the ascension process for pharaos, including their 3 days presence in the Great Pyramid of Gizeh, before they reigned. This use or method for maintaining the flow of energy is a deeply hidden magical secret and some people on Earth used and still use this closed circuit energy flow to rejuvenate their bodies and become everlasting.

This practice of using the sexual or life force energy is far better, more pleasurable too, then all wonderpills and magic creams on the planet. The reason why and the way to use this energy for ascension and rejuvenation, is explained in the second volume of Drunvalo's books "The ancient secret of the Flower of Life"
It's available as ebook on www.scribd.com complete with illustrations.
No naked pictures though :)
Blesse be, Dutchess Tint.

[Wood]

Does there always have to be TWO paths? Pick just one? Can I like guns and sex at the same time? We surround ourselves with dichotomy far too much. I like several choices, like Baskin Robins (31 flavors) and a night of appetizers instead of one meal.
I believe there are at least as many paths as living beings, but they fall into separate broad groups. Since the number twelve is mentioned in many places I think it is fairly relevant. I picture us as being inside a circle, with twelve paths leading out of it covering all possible directions (in the plane), very broad paths of course. I think they all belong into the illusion/trap of the energy/matter Then there is a thirteenth path upwards, out of the illusion.

Since we have free will, we can like whatever you want at the same time. However, every choice counts. I believe we risk running in circles, a few steps into a path then back into another, etc, and never ever really moving far from the centre. I also suspect we are approaching an special event and we are being forced/pushed into following a path by incoming energies, ETs, angels/demons, or whatever is it.
I've found this way of looking at it interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBB5zhVh-rU#t=56m29s (a link to a fragment of an interview with Barry King and Lisa Williams).

Some paths may lead to a shrinking consciousness, ultimately disappearing into the sea of consciousness that is God, while other paths may attempt to enlarge the consciousness until it covers all the sea, and thus the end of the path is ultimately the same. No path is good or wrong, just a path. We'd rather consciously choose our own though, otherwise we'll get whatever the PTBs devise for us.


keisha mentions 12 other teachers, but not 12 other ways..from what i remember.
True, but I've found it interesting how she, same as Michael Sharp, fails to say who those other eleven teachers are. It would be nice to know that to check whether they share Keisha's views or, as I suspect, not.


what do you understand by awakening? what do you understand by ascension? please don't quote michael or anyone..what do you think?
I understand it as a removal of the constraints of matter/energy over life. Some say it was our choice, some that we were tricked into this, but I believe it is a fact we are attached to energy/matter as the only vehicle of life we know. This places unnecesary constraints over our consciousness that I think can be broken.

[Wood]

There are (of course) lots of opinions on how to (make) use (of) sexual energy, it's the portal to our soul to connect with our bodies. And a tool for procreation. Even rejuvenation. The early priesthoods and Church institutions decided "in their holy wisdom" and attempt to control the masses. To cut off people from their pleasures in sex and sensual pleasures. Why in Heaven's name should they allow their sheep to enter the Kingdom of Heaven on their own? Hmmmm?
Just for the record, I am not saying sex is evil, shameful, bad or unpleasant. To me it is just a path, with its good and bad bits. My main concern about it is that it includes, AFAIK, the wheel of birth, death and reincarnation in the package: immortality through creation of new life, instead of immortality by itself. I think through reincarnation we lose a lot of our past identities since maybe our soul does not even remain the same. I understand the soul/spirit/consciousness as a very plastic thing, an sphere inside the infinite consciousness of God that can grow and shrink and move and remix with others. That may be what actually happens inbetween lives... unless we manage to 'consolidate' our consciousness and grow out of this state.

[bashi]

“There is another tradition in the use of sexual energy flow, stemming from ancient Egyptian traditions. The flow of sexual energy is never suppressed and forced, only channeled in a certain way. The Egyptian Ankh is a symbol for this, the practice allows one to save the sexual energy within the energy system, a closed circuit so to speak, instead of loosing this energy outwards.”

In Eyptian Tantra you also prevent the energy from going down during orgasm. You raise it up to the Anahat-Chakra (The 5th/Heart-Chacra) and then direct it out of the body behind you to the Crown-Chakra. Then you circulate it, in a stylised P shape. This is what Drunvalo says. It results in more energy, fun etc.
It also suppresses the normal/ordinary way of orgiastic energy, which is downward. Through the application of willpower the flow is reversed. This is difficult and not for everybody...
Mantak Chia is teaching a similar technique.
This is what falls under: “LHP: Transformation of the sexual act into a divine act and thus controlling the flow of the energy, preventing the loss”, although Chia/Drunvalo’s techniques are NOT the way to liberation, only to more enjoyment...

In the RHP, the mind will be deprived of any sexual stimulant until it is firmly rooted in “Holy” mindset, which is called “Satvic”. Whilst in that mindset you can even watch sexual stimulating pictures/movies etc., without having any personal reaction. By cultivating respect for life, compassion etc. , combined with "satvic" spiritual exercises, the desciple develops his/her spiritual energies. If you can't maintain this level, while having accumulated energies for long, then you will fall down faster than a german dive-bomber...

Both the LHP and RHP - in their original meaning - are meant to lead the desciple to Liberation from the karmic wheel of rebirth.

The point is not that the RHP is a less difficult and dangerous path than the LHP, but that you will need a Master, a Self-realized Guru, to reach perfection/liberation on each path. Otherwise you will be lost without even knowing it. A Self-realized Guru has travelled the path and has mastered it.
You will have to learn hard and follow the instructions of the Guru, otherwise you are fooling yourself and the downfall will happen fast.


So essential the PTB are not leading us onto the LHP, but only stimulating downward flow energies. There is no learning and no discipline, only enjoyment and consumption.
I don’t know whether PTB are providing the Master also, but I learned that a fake One is called


LUCIFER...

Whereto this leads becomes very clear in this vid: CHEERS!

http://theuniversitytube.com/media/3142/Banned_in_U.S._Guinness_Beer_Commertcial/

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[Wood]

but I learned that a fake One is called


LUCIFER...

All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.

Sun Tzu, the Art of War

[NancyV]

I very much enjoyed your post, Tintagel, thanks for feeling inspired to discuss this in such detail ! I'm from the era of sex, drugs and rock and roll, so I've had a lot of experience with "brotherly" love. :) When I went into the next phase of my life I did a lot of travelling, had many lovers and also studied and practiced tantra. Of course very few things can compare to making love after taking LSD or Psilocybin.

The upshot of what I learned from my many encounters was that the vast majority of men who thought they were only or mostly interested in sex were actually deeply desiring to be loved. There are some men out there who seem to have no empathy or love and basically seem very evil, and I've had experiences with several of them. Some still had a small spark of humanity that I could reach and influence, while a few did not even seem really human. I'm lucky I lived after encounters with this type of being!

I consider that not only was I an enthusiastic sexual being but I knew how to love and how to make each partner feel totally and completely LOVED, even if it was for only a night. It is a fantastic power for a woman to have and one of the reasons I have always told my daughter that women are truly the most powerful beings (in certain ways) between men and women. (here in 3d of course)

As far as tantra as a path of enlightenment, it only goes so far, so if you stick with it as your main path then that is where you will stay. Similarly until you repudiate the Guru or Teacher you will remain in a subservient position, unable to realize the fullness of who you are.

I have enjoyed exploring the Left-Hand Path, but only to a certain extent. I could never abide anything that included deliberate ritual mistreatment of another. Part of my reason for studying or trying so many things was to find out who the "enemy" is. It's not that I ultimately "believe" that ANYONE or ANYTHING is truly an enemy, but here in 3D it is wise to know the games that are going on, who is playing what and how they will try to entrap you. Many people do get trapped through a lack of knowledge and many of us can get trapped by a guru who seems enlightened or a philosophy that we take a bit too seriously.

One of my favorite books is The Art of War by Sun Tzu. In my years of travels out of body it helped to have read it many times. The art of deception is quite active in many other dimensions and the games are on a grand scale. I call these games battles, but truly it's all in fun, even if it seems to be extremely painful or frightening at times. Life here on the Earth plane is a spiritual battle we engage in and the battle is with ourselves. We are lucky to have other separated parts of ourselves to play with, including the Illuminati, those who control them, etc. They all have their reasons for being here and are important players in the play. If we were all acting as loving and compassionate beings we would not get to experience all the awesome emotions we seem to crave while here.

If you do a lot of travelling out of body, tantra and sex here on earth become pale shadows of the experiences one has in other dimensions. A state of awakened kundalini while in body can be a wonderfully expansive and sensual but can also be a somewhat uncomfortable experience. The longest I spent in an active awakened kundalini state was about 6-8 months. I was happy when it finally ended!!!!! It only ended because the fire was finally burnt out by meeting my soul mate. We've been married for 15 years now. We each had 3 previous spouses and many many lovers, so we are very much alike. Coincidentally The Art of War is also his favorite book and he often carried it with him into battle (the war type battles, starting with Vietnam). In addition to being a warrior he is also very aware of the Left Hand path but like me, he was never trapped into following one way for long.

We both consider ourselves unable to be controlled by any other, including by any "God", certainly not by any Teacher or Philosophy. Humans have a habit of making almost anything into a religion and begin to worship it, whether it is a worthy cause, a martial art, a mainstream religion or the New Age spiritual stuff that is so prevalent. I know how seductive some of these paths are since I've tried so many of them and wholeheartedly followed them until I broke free and saw that they were just another way often claiming to be the only way. Way to what?? Is there a final end to the search? I don't think there is an end to this. Even after merging with the Source several times the creation began again for me in the eternal flowing of energy and life into and out of the Source.

So I will enjoy the games while I'm here. I will also enjoy my dark side and accept that I am all things and that all beings are not separated from me even though they seem to be separate in this particular matrix illusion and in many other dimensions.

Nancy :)

[Victoria Tintagel]

Wood:
Just for the record, I am not saying sex is evil, shameful, bad or unpleasant. To me it is just a path, with its good and bad bits. My main concern about it is that it includes, AFAIK, the wheel of birth, death and reincarnation in the package: immortality through creation of new life, instead of immortality by itself.

Hey Wood :) I wasn't under the impression you judged sex as evil, shameful, bad or unpleasant. I wasn't implying that at all, I wouldn't dare :) don't take this in a wrong way, please, I am in a kidding mood and your dry unsentimental style triggers my playfulness...:) In the copied part of the book here, you will find how the egyptian tantric way of flowing the sexual energy, was used as a portal to immortality. So, there is a way out of the wheel of birth and death. I think that truth has been manipulated to a great extent for this reason, probably:
Wood:
I think through reincarnation we lose a lot of our past identities since maybe our soul does not even remain the same.
Don't you think, Wood?

Bashi
This is what falls under: “LHP: Transformation of the sexual act into a divine act and thus controlling the flow of the energy, preventing the loss”, although Chia/Drunvalo’s techniques are NOT the way to liberation, only to more enjoyment...

Thanks, Bashi :) Here's the explanation from Drunvalo in the 2nd volume The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life.
No illustrations included, copying them didn't work unfortunetely. For those, go find the book on www.scribd.com The Egyptian tantric way holds more then enjoyment alone, as it's a way out of the cycle of birth and death. I offer this as information, I am not in favor of any ONE path to choose. For me there's value in a choice of a path, when it works for you, that simple. Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

Copied part of the 2nd volume The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life:
"Egyptian Sexual Energy and the Orgasm
Here we will take a small sidestep to discuss an immense subject—the importance of sexual energy and the human organism. It was believed in ancient Egypt that the orgasm was the key to eternal life, and that it was intimately connected with the fifth chakra. First we will explain the connection to eternal life. When humans today practice sexual energy and orgasm, little concern is given to what happens to this energy when it is released. Most people in the world are ignorant about what happens to their sexual energy after they have an orgasm. Usually the energy moves up the spine and out the top of the head directly into the eight or thirteenth chakra.

In a few rare cases, the sexual energy is released down the spine into the hidden center below the feet, the point opposite the one above the head. In either case, the sexual energy, the concentrated life-force energy, is dissipated and lost. It is similar to discharging a battery into a ground wire. It is no longer in the battery; it is gone forever. This is what all the world's tantric systems I am aware of believe: that orgasm brings one a little closer to death because a person loses his or her life-force energy in the orgasm. But the Egyptians have found long ago that it does not have to be this way.

It is for this reason that the Hindu and Tibetan tantra systems ask the male to avoid ejaculating. Instead, they speak of these tiny invisible tubes where the sperm migrates up to the higher centers when a student learns to control the orgasm. Both of these systems and the Chinese Taoist tantra system are all primarily concerned with the sexual energy flow, sometimes referred to as sexual currents. They are primarily concerned with what happens when the sexual energy is moved before the orgasm, but they all have entirely different views of this energy compared to the Egyptians.

The Egyptians believed that orgasm is healthy and necessary, but that the sexual energy currents must be controlled in a deeply esoteric procedure that is unlike any other system. They believed that if this energy is controlled, the human orgasm becomes a source of infinite pranic energy that is not lost. They believe that the entire Mer-Ka-Ba or lightbody benefits from this sexual release, that under the right conditions the orgasm will direcdy lead to eternal life and that the ankh is the key. What has the ankh to do with sexual energy? It is complicated to explain, but I will take the time. In order to see what took thousands of years for the Egyptians to grasp, we will begin with the fifth chakra. You can see from the section above that the fifth chakra is the first place where the rotating chakra system returns full circle. This is the first chakra that has the energies of both front-to-back and left-to-right.

If you could see these energies from the top, they would look like this [Fig. l2-27a]. If you could see these energies from the front view of a human, they would look like this [Fig. 12-27b] Notice that both of the above examples are Christian symbols. Fig. 12 -2 7b. Front view of these energies at the fifth chakra. However if you could see the same energies; from the side of a human being, they would appear different than you would expect. There is another energy-flow "tube" there that the Egyptians discovered from their discourses with the Tat brotherhood under the Great Pyramid. This information comes straight from ancient Atlantis. From the side, this is what a human being's energy field as with the fifth chakra looks like Fig. 12-27c], I find it very interesting that the Christians must have understood this at: one time, for on the robes of many Christian priests, at certain times of the year that are usually associated with resurrection, you will see the following symbol [Fig 12-27dJ.

This symbol shows all three views—the top, front and side at once. I believe the Christians omitted the complete loop of the ankh so that they would not show a connection with the old Egyptian religion. But it is obvious that they knew. Now that you know that this "ankh'' energy conduit is located in the human energy field, you will be able to understand the reasons for the Egyptian's sexual conduct. Let me explain something about the ankh before I speak about its relationship to sexual energy. When I toured the museums in Egypt, I personally observed over 200 Egyptian rods. These rods were mostly made of wood, although other materials were sometimes used.

They had a tuning fork on the bottom end, and the top end had four different types of devices that could be attached. The 45-degree attachment that is used in the actual experience of resurrection is mentioned in chapter 5, but we didn't really discuss the ankh. This end piece is amazing. As the tuning fork at the bottom end vibrates, this energy is normally dissipated very quickly. But if you place an ankh at the top end, the energy seems to wrap around back into the rod, moving downward as it returns, thereby sustaining the energy. I was in Holland a couple of years ago (1997), and there some people had made many rods out of copper with a high-quality tuning fork at the bottom and a threaded end at the top, so that different end pieces couid be screwed on.
I experimented with this rod. Using it without a top piece, I struck the tuning fork and timed how long it would vibrate. Then I screwed on the ankh and struck the tuning fork again. With the ankh on top, the rod vibrated almost three times longer. Fig. 12-2?c. Side view at the fifth chakra—the Egyptian ankh. Fig. 12-27d. The Christian symbol that incorporates all three of the above TWELVE — The Mer-Ka-Ba, the Human lightbody 331

This is the key to why the Egyptians performed the particular sexual practices we are about to explain. They found that if they had an orgasm and let it go out the top or bottom of the spine, the sexual energy was lost. But if the sexual energy were guided by consciousness to move into the "ankh" conduit, it would come back into the spine and continue to resonate and vibrate. The life-force energy was not lost. In actual experience, it seems to increase the energy. You can talk about it all day, but if you try it one time, you will understand. However, it is not easy to do in one test. For the first few times the sexual energy will often shoot past the point of the fifth chakra and continue on up and out of the body.

So it takes practice. Once it is learned, I doubt seriously if you would ever have an orgasm any other way. It's too powerful and feels too good. Once your body remembers this experience, it is not likely to revert back to the old way. The 64 Sexual/Personality Configurations Once you have experienced what I am saying, you may change it slightly to fit your needs. I will begin by explaining the basic sexual practices of the ancient Egyptians as told to me by Thoth. It is hard to believe from a modern view how complex and intricate their system was. First of all, they did not see just two sexual polarities, but 64 entirely separate sexual polarities. I am not going to go into great depth here, but I will lay out the simple pattern.

This pattern was copied from the human DNA molecule and the 64 codons. They see four basic sexual patterns: male, female, bisexual and neutral. These were further broken down into polarities. Male: Maleheterosexual and Male-homosexual. Female: Female-heterosexual and Female-homosexual. Bisexual: Male body and Female body. Neutral: Neutral-male body and Neutral-female body. This makes eight primary sexual patterns. What I am about to say is, again, outside of normal human knowledge. The Egyptians did not see us in our body all alone.

They perceived and identified eight completely separate personalities. All eight personalities are directly related to the original eight cells, which make the eight electrical circuits that lead to the eight primary chakras, which is the basis of the eight points of the tetrahedron around the body. When a spirit comes to Earth for the first time, it arranges the tetrahedrons around the body in such a way as to be male or female. The personality that emerges is the first one. At the second lifetime, the spirit usually arranges the tetrahedrons in the gender opposite to the first lifetime. The spirit will continue to choose a different point of the tetrahedron to face forward until all eight points and all eight personalities have experienced life on Earth.

After the first eight lifetimes, usually the spirit will choose a rhythm that keeps a sexual balance during its lifetimes on Earth. An example would be to choose three male lifetimes followed by three female lifetimes, then continue in that pattern. The rhythm could be almost anything the spirit chooses. What happens in almost all cases is that spirit likes one of both the male and female personalities more than the others and uses it more often.

The result is that one male and one female personality become dominant, like a grandfather and grandmother to the other six. Then there is a slightly younger one, equivalent to a middle-aged person. Next is a still younger one that would be about in the late twenties or early thirties.
Finally, there is one that is seldom used and is like a teenager. It is the same for both sexes. These eight personalities together make up the entire personality complex of the spirit that first came to Earth.

The ancient Egyptians combined the eight primary sexual modes and the eight personalities to create the 64 sexual/personality configurations associated with Egyptian tantra. We are not able to work within this arena at this time. It is a fascinating subject, one that requires many years to master. The Egyptians took twelve years to pass through each of the sexual/personality configurations, resulting in a person who has great wisdom and understanding of life. At the end of this training the student would have a "conference" with all eight personalities conscious at the same moment in order to bring the wisdom of the grandfather/grandmother to the younger personalities.

Instructions for the Orgasm
Here is exactly how to achieve the "ankhing" associated with the human orgasm. Whatever you do sexually before the orgasm is completely up to you. I am not here to judge you—and definitely the Egyptians would not, since they believe in knowing all 64 sexual modes before you enter the King's Chamber to ascend to the next level of consciousness. This is their idea, but it is important to know that it is not necessary. You can reach the next level of consciousness without knowing this information. However, from their point of view, the idea of ankhing is of paramount importance in achieving eternal life. You will have to decide for yourself if it is something you wish to practice.

1. The moment you feel the sexual energy about to rise up your spine, take a very deep breath, filling your lungs about 9/10 full, then hold your breath.

2. Allow the sexual energy of the orgasm to come up your spine, but at the moment it reaches the fifth chakra, with your willpower you must turn the flow
of sexual energy 90 degrees out the back of the body. It will then automaticaiiy continue inside the ankh tube. It will slowly turn until it passes exactly
through the eighth or thirteenth chakra one hand-length above the head at 90 degrees to the vertical. It will then continue to curve around until it returns to the fifth chakra, where it began. It will often slow down as it approaches its point of origin. If you can see the energy, it comes to a sharp point. When it approaches the fifth chakra from the front of the body, there is sometimes a tremendous jolt as it connects with this chakra. All this takes place while you are holding your breath.

3. The instant the sexual energy reconnects with its source, take in the, full breath. You had filled your lungs only 9/10 full, so now you fill them as completely as you can.

4. Now exhale very, very slowly. The sexual energy will continue on around the ankh channel as long as you are exhaling. When you reach the bottom of this breath, you will continue to breathe very deeply, but a change happens here.

5. At this point, continue to breathe a deep, full breath, but instantly see the sexual energy as prana coming from the two poles and meeting in your fifth chakra as before. Be aware of your entire Mer-Ka-Ba and feel this energy radiate into and throughout your entire lightbody. Let this energy also reach down into the deepest physical levels of your body structure, even past the cellular level. Feel every cell becoming rejuvenated by this life-force energy. Feel how this beautiful energy surrounds your very being and brings health to your body, mind and heart.

6. Continue to breathe deeply until you feel the relaxation begin to spread throughout your body; then relax your breath to your normal rate.

7. If possible, allow yourself to completely relax or even sleep for a while afterward. If this is practiced for even one week, I believe you will more than understand. If it is continually practiced, it will begin to give health and strength to your mental, emotionaland physical bodies. It will give great strength and power to your lightbody aswell. If it does not feel right for some reason, then don't do it."

[bashi]

Both lengthy posts validate what i meant

[Carmody]

French for Orgasm: "La Petite Mort" (The Little Death).

[Wood]

French for Orgasm: "La Petite Mort" (The Little Death).

The links between sex and death/decay/illness are abundant. Dionysos for example. The romantic love of Goethe or Byron (not the modern sense of 'romantic'). Two books that come to the top of my head talking about this relationship are 'The magic mountain' and 'Death in Venice', both by Thomas Mann. In spanish, the word 'morbo', that has the same root of 'morbid' or 'mort' (death), is used in a colloquial expression to designate someone with 'sex appeal', saying literally that someone instills 'morbo', or, using the underlying meaning, 'lust for death'.

However it is not just death but a path to immortality through creation of new life, the wheel of death and rebirth...

EDIT: I've just checked the wikipedia entry for Dionysos and I've found that he was the ancient Greek god "of the grape harvest". I've read recently, can't remember where, that grapes are a symbol of the 'false light', that is, Lucifer...
EDIT 2: Here it is, from the Manly P. Hall book, on the subject of the two paths:

It is probable that Pythagoras obtained his concept of the Υ from the Egyptians, who included in certain of their initiatory rituals a scene in which the candidate was confronted by two female figures. One of them, veiled with the white robes of the temple, urged the neophyte to enter into the halls of learning; the other, bedecked with jewels, symbolizing earthly treasures, and bearing in her hands a tray loaded with grapes (emblematic of false light), sought to lure him into the chambers of dissipation. This symbol is still preserved among the Tarot cards, where it is called The Forking of the Ways. The forked stick has been the symbol of life among many nations, and it was placed in the desert to indicate the presence of water.

[Victoria Tintagel]

Wood:
EDIT: I've just checked the wikipedia entry for Dionysos and I've found that he was the ancient Greek god "of the grape harvest". I've read recently, can't remember where, that grapes are a symbol of the 'false light', that is, Lucifer...

That's an interesting statement, Wood :) "grapes are as symbol of the "false light", that is, Lucifer..." cause the explanation by the Antroposophic visionary and teacher, Rudolf Steiner, on Dionysos and the drinking of wine is similar to your explanation. Rudolf Steiner explains the ritual/use of wine as follows: the drinking of wine awakens the astral body, the energetic body that involves the senses. In that ancient Greek culture, wine was used as a ceremonial drink only, to use it consciously and to use the energy that was awakened by it. I am pretty sure there became corrupted circles with drinking people. The wine envigours a state of feeling awake and aware, being present and feeling courageous and strong. The offer of wine from the God Dionysos to mankind was symbolic for the awakening of the senses, the astral body....the seduction of being lured into loosing oneself in them (the senses) by drinking wine, or other ways.
That's where Lucifer steps in: luring mankind in the trap of "reign of the senses." instead of "reign over the senses" in which the last one also is the "taming of the beast" or
"the dragon held at bay" That's how I view the manipulations of Lucifer. Thanks again, Wood and Bashi, for this conversation. Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

[neptuneforce]

well thats all one way to put it.... ive heard it this way, right-hand/left-brain (masculine) = Reason & logic, the tangible and present...........
left-hand/right-brain (feminine) = Intuition & Emotion, the Etheric and Absent..... para siempre

[truthseekerdan]

That's where Lucifer steps in: luring mankind in the trap of "reign of the senses." instead of "reign over the senses" in which the last one also is the "taming of the beast" or
"the dragon held at bay" That's how I view the manipulations of Lucifer.

I'm wondering where the people are getting their info regarding Lucifer.
The fact of the matter is -- that Lucifer is mentioned only once in the Bible. (http://www.gospel.com/bookmarks/Lucifer-Bible-Isaiah-14-12-15/8581) :ohwell:

[Hughe]

Pleasure is energy processing by product of human or sentient beings.
So, the density of energy will dictates the level of pleasure.
For most humans sex is by far the number of pleasurable experience: it supposes to use five senses plus emotion. The amount of electrical signals during sex is phenomenal. But, it's still limited in 3D world.
Serious mediation goes beyond 3D world, and whenever one goes over another dimension, it brings the pleasure too. Out of body isn't much pleasant stuff, it's just being free of confinement.
I look at meditation is to sex with greater universe. Personally I do meditate because sometimes it makes me feel good beyond descriptions sometimes.

The edge between life and death gives great pleasure to humans also. I've been there a lot cause I was a pleasure addict.
But, repetitions degrade the pleasure and have to push harder and harder, which eventually take a toll.
I think sex with one partner do the same effect. That's why so many people are looking for different sex partners.

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how come many high ranking yoga masters practice celibacy as means of achieving spiritual enlightenment? what's the story behind celibacy there? i am not interested in catholic celibacy, in fact that faction does not stand for chritianity as a whole - they completely twisted the concept, turned it into means of widespread abuse...christian ortodox priests marry, in fact they are encouraged to marry as soon as poss...the same goes for protestants etc.. l


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[Victoria Tintagel]

Truthseekerdan:
I'm wondering where the people are getting their info regarding Lucifer.
The fact of the matter is -- that Lucifer is mentioned only once in the Bible.
Hey Truthseekerdan, friend, I am catching the bait :)

I feel this question is asked by you in a sort of joking way, cause I think you know the Bible is a very bad source for truth.
And I also think that you know Lucifer as the closest and brightest of angels near God, Truthseekerdan,
taking the initiative to throw duality consciousness in, of which God himself was well aware..for his own benefit: to be experienced
by the evolution of Consciousness and the practice of Love, in human beings, his divine sparks.

That's exactly the point of throwing us, mankind, in the game of duality and free will: we desired to be thrown at by this,
after our own experiments that lead to a fall towards lower dimensions, ultimately the 3rd dimension.
The arena of life, I am speaking only of life here on this planet, lady Gaia.

To experience as many facets of life as possible, the causes and effects of our actions and intentions, to learn and discern.
Wearing a veil. I am repeating myself here :) After all, we ourselves, are divine sparks, bereft of our memories thereof,
more or less, spiritual beings pretending to be human. What a drama :) Without sources of information on Lucifer,
we could view him as an archetype figure, don't you think? I think Luciferian aspects can be found in Sauron,
the evilmaker in the Lord of the Ring, in Voldemort, the evilmaker in the Harry Potter stories. We find him even
in the Arabian tales of 1001 nights and the battle between the computer Hall and the only surviving human being
in the film Space Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke. Never else I saw the line between a "machine consciousness"
and a human consciousness trespassed, by a computer, so beautifully, so representative of the Luciferian nature in it.
I think Arthur C.Clarke was/is a genius, there was much more to him then it seemed, I believe.

I have no doubt, that these movies are intended to awaken us to ourselves, a very clever way to achieve that,
although maybe not always intentionally. The opposite is true also, to achieve deep sleep :)
For anybody there's something to choose, from viewing a film: sleep, enjoyment or deep thoughts, or both....

We ourselves have invited the luring and seduction of Luciferian creations, like advertisements and power of matter over spirit,
power of technical playtoys over community sense. Loosing ourselves in the senses without discernment.
That's all part of living in the 3rd dimension, no point in complaining, I think, cause it's our own creation.
Remember it's a play: Lucifer and you and me are players in this game, without us there's no game.

Of course that's not always felt as true, by everybody, I am quite firm in my statements sometimes
Take them with a grain of salt, please :)

There's such beauty in the story of Lucifer, I sense, cause through the many layers of implications,
the unfolding of this huge story, the experiment to create from thinking instead from love, is a demonstration of love, ultimately.
And not hatred. In my opinion, the greatest law of nature, a universal law in fact, is that love conquers all.
It's true on all levels: in romantic Bouquet series :) as well as in Divine realms, the head quarters of Light.
Lucifer will learn by his experiments and he's doomed to surrender to God, or Love, which is the same.

In the end, which is near, hallelujah....ha ha...just kidding, both he and God, will have learnt something from each other:
God will have the experience of being consciously present into our souls, while we are in a physical body.
Then it's the end for Lucifer's schemes, cause we will be love and choose to live from love.
Lucifer will acknowledge the failure of his experiment. He will stand next to God again, as the brightest angel.
That's not such a bad position to be in, hmmmmmm? And Lucifer will acknowledge that.

This is and will be the greatest achievement in time, now on this planet, I believe: duality dissolving into Oneness for All.
Creation is an act of love and love doesn't tolerate separation, it's that simple. We, human beings are very clever in complicating things, confusion and fear of death.
Once we take responsibility for that human side of us, we can start welcoming our divine side, dissolve our fears and welcome our Star brothers and sisters.
And we, angels and lightwarriors in training, live long and happy, amen :)
Blessed be, Dutchess Tint.

[Wood]

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how come many high ranking yoga masters practice celibacy as means of achieving spiritual enlightenment? what's the story behind celibacy there? i am not interested in catholic celibacy, in fact that faction does not stand for chritianity as a whole - they completely twisted the concept, turned it into means of widespread abuse...christian ortodox priests marry, in fact they are encouraged to marry as soon as poss...the same goes for protestants etc.. l
This made me think of the difference between priest and monk. Priests are spiritual leaders, shepherds of the sheep, controllers of people: this is reptilian mindset, hierarchy. Meanwhile monks, in whatever flavour, seek enlightenment. Gurus, masters, etc come from this second group IMHO.


Lucifer will acknowledge the failure of his experiment. He will stand next to God again, as the brightest angel.
That's not such a bad position to be in, hmmmmmm? And Lucifer will acknowledge that.

This is and will be the greatest achievement in time, now on this planet, I believe: duality dissolving into Oneness for All.
It is not going to be that clean, beautiful and easy, I believe. Lucifer is not going to surrender without giving it a good try, and being such a good trickster he/she/it will certainly make it very hard for us.


Creation is an act of love and love doesn't tolerate separation, it's that simple. We, human beings are very clever in complicating things, confusion and fear of death.
Once we take responsibility for that human side of us, we can start welcoming our divine side, dissolve our fears and welcome our Star brothers and sisters.
Or rather 'star bees' in the Great Luciferian Hive.

Yesterday I watched the movie "Labyrinth" again, after many years. It certainly looks different now, a spiritual quest to get back the child (our true self?) that has been stolen. I like Bowie in his role as Lucifer, the trick with the poisoned fruit and the world of illusion in the costume party scene, the old lady loading the girl with unnecesary stuff, the proposal to sell her soul to him and be happy forever in return (new age oneness anyone?), and the last song, Lucifer's defeat, with the line 'I can't live within you', meaning Lucifer tries to trick us into living outside us, in the material world.

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This made me think of the difference between priest and monk. Priests are spiritual leaders, shepherds of the sheep, controllers of people: this is reptilian mindset, hierarchy. Meanwhile monks, in whatever flavour, seek enlightenment. Gurus, masters, etc come from this second group IMHO.


yeh but gurus and masters are also doing the instructing...though they are more like teachers i imagine, while priests are like dictators...monks for monks - they don't intefere with anyone's spiritual development, neither do they teach...

so what's the role of celibacy in masters and gurus if we suppose they have a knowlwdge of enhancing and not wasting their energy through tantric practices (as was discussed above).. :unsure:l

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[truthseekerdan]

Hey Truthseekerdan, friend, I am catching the bait :)

I feel this question is asked by you in a sort of joking way, cause I think you know the Bible is a very bad source for truth.

Well dear Tint, it depends from what perspective one's coming from -- some see the Bible as the inspired "word of god" (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Tim.%203:16&version=NIV), while others will agree with what you said.

My understanding (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8689-Understanding-is-everything...-%29&p=75029&viewfull=1#post75029) is that the Bible has many "gems" (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Cor.%203:6&version=KJV), and that fortunately not everything (words) was tweaked or mistranslated by TP of that time -- when it was put together in the format we are familiar with today. (http://www.myspiritualoasis.org/showthread.php?32-How-complete-accurate-is-the-today-s-Bible)


And I also think that you know Lucifer as the closest and brightest of angels near God, Truthseekerdan,
taking the initiative to throw duality consciousness in, of which God himself was well aware..for his own benefit: to be experienced
by the evolution of Consciousness and the practice of Love, in human beings, his divine sparks.


With all due respect, this is what TPTB want everybody to believe about Lucifer (a.k.a. the antichrist) -- in order to have a grip on fear, and be able to control & manipulate the masses (people), etc. -- well at least those that think they are just mortals. For those that connect within more often than without, know that the so called Lucifer which is also a representation of flesh (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gal.%206:8&version=ESV) (physical body/DNA) -- it is just an illusion, and only 'exists' in this temporary 3D life that "we experience" as separated from Source (Unconditional Love).

This 3D life experience (game), is also illusionary -- and it's all about learning experiences, and how a Soul uses IT's freedom of choice to make decisions outside Oneness (Source).
Hope this helps... With Love (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Cor.%2016:14&version=NIV) and many blessings to all.

Namaste ~ Dan :love:

[Wood]

Explicit song on the subject discussed here, complete with the black sun and lyrics about sex and death and rebirth (69 years) and slavery hosted by mother goddess the serpent.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVNQBZMVSe0


Murderer!
Man of fire.

Murderer!
Ive seen the eyes of living dead.
Its the same game - survival.
The great mass play a waiting game.
Embalmed, crippled, dying in fear of pain.
All sense of freedom gone.

Black sun in a white world.
Like having a black sun in a white world.

I have a son,
His name is eden.
Its his birthright,
Beyond estranged time.

Give me 69 years,
Another season in this hell.
Its all sex and death as far as I can tell.

Like prometheus we are bound,
Chained to this rock of a brave new world,
Our godforsaken lot.
And I feel thats all weve ever needed to know,
til worlds end and the seas run cold.

Give me 69 years,
Another season in this hell.
There is sex and death
In mother natures plans.

Like prometheus we are bound,
Chained to this rock of a brave new world,
Our godforsaken lot.

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[Wood]

This one is a classic already, featuring the mantra 'bum bum be dum' that uses the powerful AM sound and hints the word 'dumb', 'be dumb', and touching the subject of Incubus/Succubus psychic/energy vampire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTKY5GTQ1HQ

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grim lyrics...it's not all like that... l.
True, the good side is still strong, but we are discussing an agenda.

[Agape]

Right hand path/worship is when you follow the system, whatever system is accepted and given its borders by time and society ,
unless the system is totally corrupted it offers some choices for so called majority for whome the system was invented.

Left hand path is the 'junk DNA' around, 99% of your real abilities are out of the system , and unless you limit your time and personality to 'fit in' or create your own system, they may remain unexplored.

The truth was seldom fully uncovered by those who followed the right hand path but, they always had better chance for conventional happiness in life ..


What is the 'left hand path' ?


To follow your heart ..when it calls you . But without a high aim, there's no 'noble path'' therefor no path.
It's an individual path and the fruits may turn miraculous after long and lonely struggle ..


'Do everything by left hand' can also mean do it as it comes ..don't struggle for perfection, the immediate perfection to make you good in front of others can be also misguiding.

Be spontaneous and not afraid and see how others react . No one is ready for life, those who seem to say so are faking it.



One of the mysteries sais : God is a mystery, whatever you understand by Truth, it's a mystery to you but it maybe hiding right anywhere,
in the priest or in the begger,
it may be hiding at place or nowhere at all but your own heart ..

but heart has many ways .


Without love there's no left hand path allegory . That's where all our science may fail and all our defences may fail,
where we get untreatably ill and fragile.


If we have knowledge and no heart , enemies but no compassion with them, if we don't know better than to follow what others did ..



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[mahalall]

Illumination through breaking the back of ignorance,
oh what such cruel activities,
is it really necessary,
the lord of death is not so fooled,
torturing one self,
running on a wheel of darkness,
mend the heart
expand the light,
uplift the serpents presence
dissolve the hills,
Bow in the masters presence.
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