The Nazis did not lose WW2

[PurpleLama]

Watch this space. Arguments for or against are welcome.

[Wide-Eyed]

Dr Joseph Patrick Farrell has about twenty eight books researching the Nazis - they didn't sign any peace treaty.

[ghostrider]

Depends on how you define victory or defeat , it's all perspective... their military was defeated , their agenda was absorbed and continues to this day ... the new airport in Colorado seen from above is in the shape of a swastika ...

[KiwiElf]

The Germans lost the war... the Nazi's did not - they are part of the Cabal and were effectively invited to the USA... and have virtually taken it over. The 3rd Reich is alive and well (hopefully, not for much longer ;))

Ever wondered why the "American weather research" bases in Antarctica are above TOP SECRET? :silent:

[Chester]

It appears to me that those who might achieve the greatest power in a physical reality are those who combine the desire for this power with having less self imposed limitations as to what they are capable of doing. Nazis seem to possess this combination of character traits. If we chase Nazis or Nazi ghosts, we might overlook other manifestations of this same combination which likely produces the same results.

[seko]

The nazis didn't lose WW2. They were very intelligent and knew they were going to lose against the rest of the countries they were fighting against . North and South america and Antartica became their new home. I'm sure they are still alive with a different name.

[WhiteFeather]

I'm sure the Hitler regime is still intact. Hitler had many backup plans.

[muxfolder]

Yep. Nazis still do exist and there are a lot of evidence they were active in South America after WWII. Also they seemed to be active in US and Canada conducting MK-Ultra experiments.

Here's a lot of good information about Hitler and that he might have escaped to Argentina after Berlin was occupied by Russians:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87621-FBI-quietly-opens-files-on-Hitler-fleeing-to-Argentina

[KiwiElf]

It's well established & documented that plans for the continuation of the 3rd Reich were drawn up before the end of the war for the purposes of infiltrating and toppling world governments and replacing them with their own fascist puppet dictatorships. Does this sound familiar? - look up & research the CIA's Allen Dulles. ;)

When the CIA was formed, half of its personnel were made up of ex Nazi SS Intelligence officers.

[Mike]

It's well established & documented that plans for the continuation of the 3rd Reich were drawn up before the end of the war for the purposes of infiltrating and toppling world governments and replacing them with their own fascist puppet dictatorships. Does this sound familiar? - look up & research the CIA's Allen Dulles. ;)

When the CIA was formed, half of its personnel were made up of ex Nazi SS Intelligence officers.


Is that really true Kiwielf? Half the original CIA was made up of ex-Nazis???

Do you have any links to complement that?

Thats incredible!

[Carmody]

it goes like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_J._McCloy

-Shared Hitler's box at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin.

-I.G. Farben's legal representative for the USA.

-Served on the task force that created the OSS which became the CIA***

-President of the World bank and US High commissioner in Germany (post war)

-On the warren commission in the investigation of JFK's death.

Ie, the scariest sh*t you can image.

From data about/on people like that, it just gets uglier... and uglier.... and uglier.

If one reads the Wikipedia entry on John J. McCloy, and people like him....you'll find yourself going down the rabbit hole into a form of insanity....... that turns out to be 100% real.

And, to add, that the Wikipedia entry on him is whitewashed. Cleaned. Scrubbed. And even with all that.... it is ~that~ freaking scary.... and disturbingly connected (to events and people).

The real dirt and the real connections are much much worse.

And he's one of thousands, just like him.

I'm not picking on John specifically, he's just a photo of a bloodbath in a disaster zone in a court case.... as an example.



***Which takes you to The Dulles brothers, skull &bones, the Bush clan, Nazi financing by the Fed banks, and the return of the Nazi loot and the Nazi scientists and programs....into the black ops of the USA.

Which takes you to:

Monsanto, dumbed down Americans, genetically shifted, drugged out, radicalized....culturally shifted, slow walked into being idiotic foot-soldiers for a fascism revival/reboot.

http://www.simhq.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/the-rise-of-the-fourth-reich-jim-marrs-book-review.jpg

To understand that the Germans, in 1900 or so, began the process of.. and created... the radical jihadist mentality in the middle east (fanned and guided the flames). To breach American and British 'interests' in the middle east oil/power game. They did love their friends who were so sympathetic to their methods and ways.....places like.....Saudi Arabia. (westerners are generally unaware that it's the 'house of Saud', ie, a family name. A country and group/area.. renamed after a controlling radical family grouping)

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's%20Corner/bush_holding_hands.jpg

And you end up with things like 'The Carlyle Group' on your radar. Which is only a floating bit on the surface, where you can see it....in an ocean of corruption and control.

It is important to understand that I'm not saying other 'factions' are any better....merely different.

[KiwiElf]

It's well established & documented that plans for the continuation of the 3rd Reich were drawn up before the end of the war for the purposes of infiltrating and toppling world governments and replacing them with their own fascist puppet dictatorships. Does this sound familiar? - look up & research the CIA's Allen Dulles. ;)

When the CIA was formed, half of its personnel were made up of ex Nazi SS Intelligence officers.

Don't believe anything I say :sun: ... If you're asking for irrefutable proof Mike, I can't answer that - I don't belong to the CIA (and with all respect, I'm not here to do anyone's homework or research ;). Be prepared to do many hours study and months of reading and you can decide for yourself. Everything you need to answer that question (for yourself) is right here on Avalon :)

Jim Marr's book, "THE RISE OF THE 4th REICH" in Carmody's post above is downloadable and perhaps a good place to start but here's a few links:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30004-History-Amended-100-Years-of-Deception

http://www.illuminati-news.com/2007/1007.html

Also research Operations Paperclip (well known), Sunrise, Overcast, Odessa, Sign, & Highjump

Dr Joseph Farrell's various books on the subject would also be a recommendation.

You will also find a wealth of downloadable books and documents here: (sorry, no index - start at the last post & work backwards - it contains the above mentioned download for "THE RISE OF THE 4th REICH". In my humble opinion, the link to the thread below is one of Avalon's most valuable research resources. :)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF

[PurpleLama]

Peter Levenda's work (http://peterlevenda.com) is also worth mentioning.

[Wide-Eyed]

Good summery Carmody- I just finished watching Dr. JP Farrell's presentation on secret space program: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6422I2Nz5zY and Olaff Phillips presentation: http://www.anomalies.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/secretspaceprogram_presentation-SSP-2015.pdf , Summery yeah we're ph**ked or... if we don't synthesize an action plan it's soilent green and a jumpsuit for xmas from those Pals.

[PurpleLama]

It's well established & documented that plans for the continuation of the 3rd Reich were drawn up before the end of the war for the purposes of infiltrating and toppling world governments and replacing them with their own fascist puppet dictatorships. Does this sound familiar? - look up & research the CIA's Allen Dulles. ;)

When the CIA was formed, half of its personnel were made up of ex Nazi SS Intelligence officers.


Is that really true Kiwielf? Half the original CIA was made up of ex-Nazis???

Do you have any links to complement that?

Thats incredible!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen

Gehlen had always been under the sponsorship of US Army G-2 (intelligence), but he eventually succeeded in realizing his ambition of establishing an association with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), established in 1947. The CIA kept close tabs on the Gehlen group. For many years during the Cold War, Org agents were the only eyes and ears of the CIA on the ground in the Soviet Bloc nations.

[KiwiElf]

Yep - the "deal" was made between the two: Allen Dulles & Reinhard Gehlen ;) - Sorry Mike - this is a very big and very dangerous rabbit hole, and much of it has been sanitised and scrubbed from the internet - that's why "books" are so good :)

[KiwiElf]

I'd also recommend watching this video, ALTERNATIVE 3 - it's at the very heart of what is going on now. You may also want to look up the history of Alternative 3's making. Avalon member Atlas has provided a terrific presentation summary of this (downloadable PDF).

http://www.anomalies.net/wp-content/...n-SSP-2015.pdf

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[Sunny-side-up]

It was a done deal/plan from start to finish, as with WWI and all the other wars since then and before then!
It is said the war between the north and south was decided by a toss of a coin, and that was between to main funding banks, the loser did not go off and hang it's self!

War is a way of PTW use to continue big power, of raping the world around them and so coming out just as before controlling, no hardship for the PTW!

I think it was big daddy Bush (Prescott) who earned this saying:

A Nazi in the (pocket) is worth four in the Bush (family)

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3255.htm
he bank'd for and set Hitler up/Financed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnHnjmCYjy4

I believe that that great American Motorcar icon Ford also help'd out sending machinery and engines to the German war machine!

They even end up with a nice new country to trash the world form, as a Face for their Base, the real face occult'd (Occult'd as in Hidden) but yes also occult'd as in Black-magic negative entity/sprite dealings!

All done deals with us as the cannon fodder dummies, or the majority of the population of the world that is, sleepers who are easy to rial up into signing up Doh, and those who just can't believe it could have been so, beyond their means!

So yes the end of the war was worked out in advance as well!

The plot for you Brother-Hitler, rial up a massive army with our backing. You will come to be known as the evilest man on earth which you will have great fun doing.

Then we will see who is to be the so called winner.
Once we have seen which will be the most profitable for us (PTW), then you will (Retire) be seen to go mad by spreading your forces (Cannon Fodder) too thinly and so be seen to get defeated!
Either way Brother-Hitler you will be treated as a God somewhere and an Idol of the cause!
We the Brotherhood (PTW/4th Reich) (4th realm) will carry on with our ways as usual but ant an even greater magnitude (While the force is with us and the greater % of the population sleeps that is)

[Cardillac]

Germany was defeated after WW2 but not the Nazis-

many have already stated it but I'll post one last word: yes, read the works of Joseph Farrell, Peter Levenda and Jim Marrs proving this concept (then throw in the research/legacy of Mae Brussell for good measure)-

please be well all-

Larry

[Tangri]

Maybe my below statement is vague but I do not want to create another argument with details.

Germans lost WWII , Nazis did not. They were management group,(new religion) relocated and practised in Americas.(south and North) You can find their finger print on corporates' management policies.

Edit to ad : Everybody talks on illusion but they stop where the illusion is occurred.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81417-Europe--s-1933-UFO-Crash-Hitler-Admiral-Byrd-and-the-Antarctic-BASE-NEW-BERLIN&p=951119&viewfull=1#post951119

[PurpleLama]

Maybe my below statement is vague but I do not want to create another argument with details.

Germans lost WWII , Nazis did not. They were management group,(new religion) relocated and practised in Americas.(south and North) You can find their finger print on corporates' management policies.

Edit to ad : Everybody talks on illusion but they stop where the illusion is occurred.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81417-Europe--s-1933-UFO-Crash-Hitler-Admiral-Byrd-and-the-Antarctic-BASE-NEW-BERLIN&p=951119&viewfull=1#post951119

Here, I will provide some details for what you are referring to. As they say, the proof is in the pudding. (https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/whats_in_store_for_our_freedoms_in_2016_more_of_everything_we_dont_want)

[KiwiElf]

Really good link - thank you PurpleLama. I think what we're facing now is a "slowly boiling the frog" scenario, very much what happened when the Nazi's took over Germany, but on a much larger scale.