High Blood Pressure

[Foxie Loxie]

Yeah! My first post....just wanted to share with anyone who is interested that quite by accident I found something natural that has allowed me to drop all three B/P meds that I was on. :clapping: After a build up of three months in my body, it was a result I had not expected. SIBERIAN ELEUTHERO root; 425 mg. Now if anyone out there can help me out with something natural for Type 2 Diabetes; please PM me! Thanks!

[Matt P]

Out of curiosity, were you making other changes (diet, etc) or also taking other natural remedies at the same time as this siberian root? And why was the result unexpected/"by accident"? Were you taking the root for some other purpose or you just didn't expect it to work so well?

Matt

[Octavusprime]

SIBERIAN ELEUTHERO is also known as Siberian Ginseng.

Siberian ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticosus), also known as eleuthero, has been used for centuries in Eastern countries, including China and Russia. Despite its name, it is completely different from American (Panax quinquefolius) and Asian ginseng (Panax ginseng), and has different active chemical components.

From WebMD http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-985-ginseng,%20siberian.aspx?activeingredientid=985&activeingredientname=ginseng,%20siberian:


Siberian ginseng is a plant. People use the root of the plant to make medicine.

Siberian ginseng is often called an “adaptogen.” This is a non-medical term used to describe substances that can supposedly strengthen the body and increase general resistance to daily stress.

In addition to being used as an adaptogen, Siberian ginseng is used for conditions of the heart and blood vessels such as high blood pressure, low blood pressure, hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis), and rheumatic heart disease.

It is also used for kidney disease, Alzheimer’s disease, attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), chronic fatigue syndrome, diabetes, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis, flu, colds, chronic bronchitis, and tuberculosis. It is also used for treating the side effects of cancerchemotherapy.

Some people use Siberian ginseng to improve athletic performance and the ability to do work. They also use it to treat sleep problems (insomnia) and the symptoms of infections caused by herpes simplex type 2.

It is also used to boost the immune system, prevent colds, and increase appetite.

In manufacturing, Siberian ginseng is added to skin care products.

Don’t confuse Siberian ginseng with other types of ginseng. Siberian ginseng is not the same herb as American or Panax ginseng. Be careful about which product you choose. American and Panax ginseng can be a lot more expensive. It is said that years ago, the Soviet Union wanted to provide its athletes with the advantages offered by ginseng but wanted a less expensive version. So, Siberian ginseng became popular, and this is why most studies on Siberian ginseng have been done in Russia.

You should know that the quality of Siberian ginseng products varies a lot. Siberian ginseng is often misidentified or contains “adulterants,” which are other ingredients that do not contribute to the benefit of the product, but take up space in the product. Silk vine is a common adulterant of Siberian ginseng.

Before taking Siberian ginseng, talk with your healthcare provider if you take any medications. This herb interacts with many prescription drugs.

How does it work?
Siberian ginseng contains many chemicals that affect the brain, immune system, and certain hormones. It might also contain chemicals that have activity against some bacteria and viruses.

Side Effects:
Siberian ginseng is LIKELY SAFE for most adults when taken by mouth, short-term. While side effects are rare, some people can have drowsiness, changes in heart rhythm, sadness, anxiety, muscle spasms, and other side effects. In high doses, increased blood pressure might occur.

Siberian ginseng is POSSIBLY SAFE for most adults when taken by mouth, long-term, or when injected intravenously (by IV), short term. Siberian ginseng has been taken by mouth in combination with rehmannia, calcium, and vitamin D for up to one year. Siberian ginseng has been injected by IV for up to 2 weeks.

Special Precautions & Warnings:
Children: Siberian ginseng is POSSIBLY SAFE in teenagers (ages 12-17 years) when taken by mouth for up to 6 weeks. There is not enough reliable information about the safety of Siberian ginseng when taken by teenagers long-term.

Pregnancy and breast-feeding: There is not enough reliable information about the safety of taking Siberian ginseng if you are pregnant or breast-feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.

Bleeding disorders: Siberian ginseng contains chemicals that might slow blood clotting. In theory, Siberian ginseng might increase the risk of bleeding and bruising in people with bleeding disorders.

Heart conditions: Siberian ginseng can cause a pounding heart, irregular heartbeat, and high blood pressure. People who have heart disorders (e.g., “hardening of the arteries,” rheumatic heart disease, or history of heart attack) should use Siberian ginseng only under a healthcare provider’s supervision.

Diabetes: Siberian ginseng might increase or decrease blood sugar. In theory, Siberian ginseng might affect blood sugar control in people with diabetes. Monitor your blood sugar carefully if you take Siberian ginseng and have diabetes.

Hormone-sensitive conditions such as breast cancer, uterine cancer, ovarian cancer, endometriosis, or uterine fibroids: Siberian ginseng might act like estrogen. If you have any condition that might be made worse by exposure to estrogen, don’t use Siberian ginseng.

High blood pressure: Siberian ginseng should not be used by people with blood pressure over 180/90. Siberian ginseng might make high blood pressure worse.

Mental conditions such as mania or schizophrenia: Siberian ginseng might make these conditions worse. Use with caution.



WebMD cautions it could increase BP. I need to do more research.

[Octavusprime]

I've recently been diagnosed with High Blood Pressure. I tried the natural way with exercise, eating less salt, drinking less alcohol along with a few herbal remedies (Garlic, Hawthorn, Licorice root). All this helped drop me a few points but unfortunately after 4 weeks I still wasn't seeing the results needed. I've since moved to an ACE inhibitor and Diuretic and my BP is in check.

I really didn't want to get on meds but also had to stop the "silent killer". I'll give the ginseng a try, would love to move to an herbal remedy...

Cheers,

Octavusprime

[gittarpikk]

here some ad copy... sounds a bit conflicting...especially the hypertension statement

and the dosage

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ELEUTHERO ROOT (SIBERIAN GINSENG) BENEFITS AND SIDE EFFECTSAdaptogens Anti-Cancer Antiviral Blood Cognitive Enhancers Coughs & Colds Energy Fatigue Herbs & Superfoods Liver Longevity Lungs Mood Stabilizers Sleep Aug 10, 2014 No Comments Nick Eberle
Siberian Ginseng
Eleuthero [Eleutherococcus senticosus] is an adaptogen with a rich history. Traditionally practitioners use the plant’s root for its, healing, balancing and energizing properties.

The herb has been used all over the world under different names. Known as Ci wu ju, Shigoka Devil’s Shrub, Siberian Ginseng, Ussurian Thorny Pepperbush, Touch-Me-Not, Russian Ginseng, and Wild Pepper.

BENEFITS OF ELEUTHERO

eleuthero

Energy
Focus
Anti-Anxiety
Anti-Fatigue
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
Common Colds
Immune Booster
Liver Detox
Cancer
Antiviral
High Blood Pressure
Insomnia
Bronchitis
Note: I personally recommend Jing Herbs Eleuthero, it is exceptional in quality click here.

Energy and Anti-Anxiety

Providing extra energy during stressful times Siberian ginseng is recommended by herbalists as a stimulating herb for people who are tired and run-down, especially those affected by stress. The herb contains active chemical components, eleutherosides, appearing to inhibit the stress response by reducing the activity of the adrenal cortex.

Eleuthero works to balance serotonin, norepinephrine, dopamine, and epinephrine. Its effect on these mood determining brain chemicals makes it a natural mood stabilizer.

Focus

Increasing circulation, Siberian Ginseng helps in restoring memory, concentration, and mental clarity that might be weakened by less blood flow to the brain.

Anti-Fatigue and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

Research and studies have shown that Eleuthero root improves the body’s capacity to cope with stress. Because of this effect it has become popular to enhance mental function and physical performance during times of overwork, stress, fatigue and exhaustion.

It is sometimes beneficial for those suffering from chronic fatigue syndrome when professionally prescribed.

Common Cold

Eleuthero is traditionally used to help rebuild Chi energy during the recovery period following any illness.

Immune Booster

Immune system stimulant, Siberian Ginseng is specifically effective for preventing infection during times of intense physical activity.

Normalizing body functions, Eleuthero is a powerful adaptogen and helps the body to balance, heal and to instill an overall sense of well-being.

Liver Support

It helps the liver to detox harmful toxins from radiation exposure. In Russia, studies show that using Eleuthero Root removes the side effects from chemotherapy. It also has been used to treat bone marrow suppression due to chemo or radiation therapy.

Antiviral

Researchers have found that it increases the synthesis of the interferon drug; that boosts the activity of the immune system, interfering with every viral infection stage. (Interferon is used for AIDS and Hepatitis C viral infections.)

It stimulates the activation of immune system components (B- and T-cells) that attack bacteria, making it a useful antiviral supplement in the treatment of many types of viral infection.

Insomnia

Chinese healers believe that Siberian Ginseng is an herbal sedative and one of the best remedies for insomnia.

Other Eleuthero Benefits

Eleuthero has been successfully in treating bronchitis and other chronic lung conditions.

Siberian Ginseng may also be useful when the HPA (hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis) is depleted, having symptoms that include fatigue, stress, neurasthenia and sore muscles associated with the hypo-functioning of an under-active endocrine system.

Recent evidence suggests that Eleuthero Root may prove valuable in the long-term management of various diseases of the immune system, including HIV, chronic fatigue syndrome and other autoimmune illnesses.

In men, it appears to stimulate the body’s production of testosterone although not to the degree that Pine pollen does. Although it may be a excellent choice in increasing sex drive and fighting impotence.



ELEUTHERO SIDE EFFECTS AND CONTRAINDICATIONS

Men with prostate disorders should not use Eleuthero Root. It contains compounds that might stimulate testosterone production.
Pregnant and nursing women may use it but should avoid products that also contain Panax Ginseng.
If persons take digoxin (Lanoxin or Lanoxicaps) for cardiac arrhythmia or congestive heart failure, they should consult their healthcare professional before taking this herbal supplement.
Do not take Siberian Ginseng if you suffer from hypertension.
Rare side effects have been reported including insomnia, drowsiness, tachycardia, headache, nervousness, and hypoglycemia.
PROPER DOSAGE FOR SIBERIAN GINSENG

Take commercially prepared Siberian ginseng tablets according to the manufacturer’s instructions (up to a maximum of 3 g per day) for a period of up to six weeks, followed by a 2-week break.

Suggested Uses of Eleuthero

Eleuthero Root will help reduce fatigue, build stamina, and stimulate the immune system against stress. It helps the body to resist infection during prolonged times of mental and physical stress, including athletes wanting to increase energy levels, performance, endurance and its stamina-building advantages. Effectively used as a sedative, and can relieve depression, helps Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), concentration, improves memory and sensitivity to environmental pollution. It might also offer help during chemotherapy, radiation side effects, and can help detoxify the liver.

This herb owes its popularity to the broad spectrum of benefits it carries enhancing overall health and welbeing I highly recomend you try taking eleuthero daily for a week so you can see how big of a differance a small change can make. I get mine from JingHerbs.com

[ThePythonicCow]

Yeah! My first post....just wanted to share with anyone who is interested that quite by accident I found something natural that has allowed me to drop all three B/P meds that I was on. :clapping: After a build up of three months in my body, it was a result I had not expected. SIBERIAN ELEUTHERO root; 425 mg. Now if anyone out there can help me out with something natural for Type 2 Diabetes; please PM me! Thanks!

I've spent the last two days mostly reading and listening to the following, which provides major insight into the cause, and remedy, of the chronic diseases that plague people on Western diets, including diabetes, high blood pressure, kidney failure, heart and cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer's and various cancers:

How Not to Die: Discover the Foods Scientifically Proven to Prevent and Reverse Disease, by Michael Greger et al. (http://amzn.com/1250066115)
Proteinaholic: How Our Obsession with Meat Is Killing Us and What We Can Do About It, by Garth, M.D. Davis et al. (http://amzn.com/B00KVI4HLO)
NutritionFacts.org (http://nutritionfacts.org/)

So far, I have some flax seeds on order (to be ground up and included in my daily smoothie), and some Celestial Seasonings Red Zinger (tasty hibiscus tea blend), and I have added some kale leaves, onion and garlic to the smoothie, and removed the raw egg. I've also decided to skip the chicken meat in the meal that I get at a local organic cafe, and just stick to their salad bar. And I'm soaking another batch of pinto beans, for one of my staples ... rice and beans.

In short - remove all animal and fish fat and protein, and go to a vegan diet of fruits, veggies, nuts, beans, teas and one of my specialties, filtered, distilled, re-mineralized and re-energized water.

The evidence for such a diet addressing such ailments as type-2 diabetes and high blood pressure (and many other chronic illnesses) is becoming quite compelling in my current estimation.

[Constance]

I'll build upon what Paul has shared regarding reversing and preventing type 2 diabetes.

There are so many great people doing great work out there.

http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/a-plant-based-diet-may-prevent-or-even-reverse-type-2-diabetes/

Dr. Joel Fuhrman features in this movie by Joe Cross.

Joe's own path to healing and the work he has done to inspire people to reverse their diabetes type 2 has been phenomenal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XDSpuMIMPs

Joe touched my heart so much and I felt so inspired by his work that I took my son to see Joe. Here is my son juicing with Joe.
My son was so inspired by Joe that he juices nearly every day.

32451

Here is a story from someone who no longer needs his diabetes medication.

http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/darrell-no-longer-needs-his-diabetes-meds-reboot-profile/

Don Tolman's work in this field
http://thedontolman.com/blog/don-tolman-open-invite-webinar-diabetes-should-we-be-concerned/

Dr. John McDougall

https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/videos/mcdougalls-moments/cure-type-2-diabetes/

Dr. Brian Clements from the Hippocrates institute on reversing diabetes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VOSPVg121U

[Tangri]

Garlic and High blood pressure:
The analysis identified 11 previous studies of garlic supplements and blood pressure. In most of this studies, participants took the garlic in powdered form, in doses ranging from 600 mg to 900 mg daily. The length of the studies ranged from 12 to 23 weeks.

Taken together, the various studies showed that garlic reduced systolic blood pressure by an average of 4.6 mmHg. In people with high blood pressure, the average reduction in blood pressure was 8.4 mmHg systolic and 7.3 mmHg diastolic. The higher the person’s blood pressure at the beginning of the study, the more their blood pressure was reduced.

Finally, the study looked at daily supplements of garlic powder, but also show that garlic supplements contain less of the active ingredient, allicin, than a fresh clove of garlic. There is therefore a question about whether powdered garlic is the best option. Fresh garlic is an excellent flavouring for meals like pasta sauces, for example. If you are trying to reduce the amount of salt you eat, garlic can really help to boost the flavour of your food. So adding fresh garlic to meals may have be a cheaper, and possibly more effective way of getting the effects of allicin than paying for garlic supplements.
http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/mediacentre/Bloodpressurenews/Garlicmaylowerbloodpressure

http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/BloodPressureandyou/Yourlifestyle

[phillipbbg]

Paul is bang on with his post above. Having suffered with hypertension high blood pressure the works I can say in my case the diet referred to works, the only add on for me is high doses of natural vitamin c that I make myself from citrus peel. I dehydrate the peel then grind up to powder, then put it into capsules and take it daily. It knocked my high BP right down. Forget ascorbic acid that is only the outer layer of the complete vitamin c molecule. Hence making it myself and I also supply a few others with heart problems capsules to great effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePzJbllNCPg worth watching.

Make your own, if you want more detail PM me.

Oh and go for a walk EVERY DAY not a run or jogging etc just a 10 min walk, once your BP comes down and your fitness improves then if you like exercise increase it to what you enjoy doing, don't make it a chore.

[Daozen]

Thanks. I will pass this on to my mother. Cayenne and Iodine also help high blood pressure.

Wheatgrass/Barleygrass is excellent for diabetes.

[KiwiElf]

I'm afraid there's no way that I can verify this but it may be useful:

Natural Remedy for High Blood Pressure

OVER-CALCIFICATION A NATIONAL SCANDAL–
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GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED OVER-CALCIFICATION SUPPORTED BY UNINFORMED PHYSICIANS AND IRRESPONSIBLE SUPPLEMENT and FOOD MANUFACTURERS TO BLAME FOR SKYROCKETING NUMBER OF HEART DEATHS—-
Most calcium products are not absorbed by the body unless in a soluble form mixed with Magnesium etc.– Otherwise they just add to calcification of body organs–
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http://www.healthsavers.info/WakeUpCall.htm
————————————————————-CORAL CALCIUM—-
Brazilian Coral Calcium–Away from Fukushima—
There is now a new category of coral calcium that is not from Okinawa. This new coral calcium is harvested live as it washes up on the beaches of Northern Brazil. The certificates of analysis on this product show it has more than 12 times the trace mineral content of Okinawan coral calcium.

Brazilian coral calcium is cold processed therefore retaining more of the marine nutrients, proteins, amino acids and phytonutrients.

To compare Okinawa coral calcium to Brazilian coral calcium see our coral calcium comparison chart
http://www.coralcalcium-watchdog.com/vs.htm
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Healing the Kidneys with Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda)
http://drsircus.com/medicine/sodium-bicarbonate-baking-soda/healing-the-kidneys-with-sodium-bicarbonate-
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Natural Remedy for High Blood Pressure…
Because high blood pressure cannot(should not) occur when the body is alkaline!
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Coral Calcium or Baking Soda: Yes, this natural remedy for high blood pressure is actually so simple and cheap it almost seems ridiculous. But don’t be fooled, baking soda is one of the quickest and easiest ways to naturally reduce hypertension.

And the reason for this is simple… baking soda is the ultimate pH booster!

Nothing will spike your body’s pH level (and make it highly alkaline) as fast as baking soda. Mix up 1/8th of a teaspoon of baking soda in a full glass of water with 2 tablespoons of apple cider vinegar (see next cure on potassium) and take this concoction twice daily. The baking soda is taken on a two week on, two week off cycle (so take it for 2 weeks then rest for 2 weeks then back on again for 2 weeks, and so on) while the apple cider vinegar is taken every day without a break.
Remember this folks; as a natural way to lower your blood pressure, there are no negatives associated with taking baking soda as long as you follow the above protocol and you always combine it with apple cider vinegar and plenty of water. It’s considered safe for everyone to use in this way–
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High blood pressure or hypertension is an extremely common ailment that affects both men and women equally. The standard medical treatment for elevated blood pressure is to prescribe dangerous beta-blockers and ACE inhibitor drugs, along with convincing the patient to restrict salt in their diet. Although the medication part can help to lower a person’s high blood pressure, it does nothing at all to fix the underlying problem. Sodium can be solved by adding potassium to the diet–

http://www.life-saving-naturalcures-and-naturalremedies.com/high-blood-pressure-natural-remedy.html

[Daozen]

Nanocalcium is a major cause of disease, perhaps THE major cause of disease. It can manifest as kidney stones, arthritis, or heart disease, and possibly many other conditions. Methysulfurmethane and Chancapiedra can also help to clear it as it builds up. Chancapiedra (stonebreaker) helped my kidneys immensely.

[phillipbbg]

fresh apple juice has an enzine that softens stones and allows them to be flushed more easily by the body from the liver and kidneys.

The old saying "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" is based on old knowledge

as mentioned in other posts water needs to have less than 4 parts per million. Most modern problems have there origin in the water we are given these days. Distilling is a great starting point to better health.

[TargeT]

I have added some kale leaves, onion and garlic to the smoothie.

Some veggies need to be cooked, Kale is one of them; ESPECIALLY if you have any thyroid issues. (http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/the-dark-side-of-kale-and-how-to-eat-around-it)

Remember, all plants do NOT want to be eaten, so they protect themselves in various ways.


Also, why do people avoid salt when they have high blood pressure.. are there any conclusive studies showing that or is it just myth?

Large-scale scientific reviews have determined there's no reason for people with normal blood pressure to restrict their sodium intake.

Now, if you already have high blood pressure, you may be "salt sensitive." As a result, reducing the amount of salt you eat could be helpful.

However, it's been known for the past 20 years that people with high blood pressure who don't want to lower their salt intake can simply consume more potassium-containing foods.

Why? Because it's really the balance of the two minerals that matters.

In fact, Dutch researchers determined that a low potassium intake has the same impact on your blood pressure as high salt consumption does. And it turns out, the average guy consumes 3,100 milligrams (mg) of potassium a day—1,600 mg less than recommended.


There are so many variables out there, we are all custom models... find out what works for you!



Physician and skeptic Harriet A. Hall analyzed one of Greger's videos that claimed death was a "foodborne illness", and found that many of the claims made were based on cherry-picked, poor-quality or insubstantial research.[3] Hall concluded that while it was already generally accepted that plant-based diets conferred health benefits, the evidence for them "is nowhere near as impressive or definitive as the true believers think".[3]

[Foxie Loxie]

Hi Matt! As I have CFIDS I was just taking it for energy boost.

[genevieve]

Regarding salt:

Regular table salt is basically undigestible because it's been heated to 3000 degrees Farenheit.
Our bodies don't use it or like it.

Use Celtic sea salt or Himalayan salt, etc., which our bodies love. They have over 90 different micronutrients
in them and are good for us. And we can still have the pleasure of salty flavor. Yummm.


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

[ThePythonicCow]

I have added some kale leaves, onion and garlic to the smoothie.

Some veggies need to be cooked, Kale is one of them; ESPECIALLY if you have any thyroid issues. (http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/the-dark-side-of-kale-and-how-to-eat-around-it)
Verrry interesting ...

Furthermore, it's not just kale. From Is Raw Kale Good For You? (http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-13685/is-raw-kale-good-for-you.html):

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The following Brassica, or cruciferous, vegetables contain isothiocyanates and when eaten RAW and in LARGE amounts, may interfere with your thyroid function, especially if your diet is low in iodine.


Arugula
Bok choy
Broccoflower
Broccoli
Broccoli rabe
Broccoli sprouts
Brussels sprouts
Cabbage
Cauliflower
Collard greens
Kale
Kohlrabi
Mustard greens
Napa Cabbage
Radish
Swiss chard
Turnip
Watercress

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Further down in that article you link, it says: "(For an updated reality check on kale consumption and the thyroid, see our Q and A with endocrinologist and thyroid expert Dr. Jeffrey Garber here (http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2014/01/thyroid-doc-kale-problems-theoretical-but-in-reality-very-low-to-miniscule). Bottom line: in the U.S, where we don’t have a big problem with iodine deficiency, it’s probably OK.)"

Quoting from that linked Q and A with Dr. Jeffrey Garber (JG):

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RZ: In plain terms, what’s the connection between kale, a cruciferous vegetable, and thyroid function?

JG: There are many substances that can interfere with the way the thyroid functions. Goitrogens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitrogen), as in those that promote goiter, make up one of these categories.
(There’s an enormous amount of interest in environmental goitrogens, like BPA and other substances, but that’s another story: We’re talking about dietary goitrogens here.)

When you get into the way goitrogens can affect the thyroid directly there are three general ways (and all relate to iodine, which is what thyroid hormone is made from):

1. the way the thyroid picks up the iodine;

2. the way the thyroid produces the hormone once the iodine is in the thyroid;

3. the way thyroid hormone is secreted into the bloodstream.

When you look at dietary goitrogens, they interfere with one or more of these three steps.

OK, so kale is one of these so-called “goitrogenic” foods, right?

Yes. And [quoting from a section in the textbook The Thyroid, written by Michael B. Zimmerman, MSc, MD, Professor of Health Sciences and Technology at ETH Zurich in Switzerland] other cruciferous vegetable implicated as goitrogens include: cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, turnips, rapeseeds — they contain something called, glucosinolates, their metabolites compete with iodine for thyroidal update. Similarly, cassava, lima beans, linseed, sorghum and sweet potato contain cyanogenic glucosides; these may be metabilized to thiocyanates that compete with iodine for thyroidal update. Also, if you don’t have enough iodine, deficiencies in selenium, iron and vitamin A can make you even more vulnerable to developing an underactive thyroid.

[An aside]: Iodine deficiency isn’t generally a problem in this country. It’s hard to avoid iodine in the diet here: many breads, dairy and salt (except for “designer” salts, kosher salt and sea salt) contain iodine. But in poor, developing countries about one billion people have an iodine deficiency that can cause an underactive thyroid and endemic goiter.

So, what’s the bottom line here? Green smoothies everyday or not?

Basically the goitrogens are challenges to the thyroid. But in the absence of iodine deficiency, substantial or prolonged ingestion of dietary goitrogens and lastly the absence of an underlying thyroid disorder, the risk in this country of having problems in this area are very, very low, almost minuscule. Again, that’s because the vast majority of people have adequate iodine levels to counteract the effect of goitrogens.

So, the writer of The New York Times opinion piece, Jennifer Berman, said she stopped consuming kale juice daily after she was diagnosed with hypothyroidism; when she looked up foods to avoid, kale was at the top of the list.

She gave herself too much credit for what happened to her.

But if you actually drank a green smoothie with raw kale everyday for a long period of time and somehow managed to be iodine deficient, could you do this to yourself?

It could theoretically happen, but it would be unusual.

I’m still kind of confused by all of the information out there. If I Google “Hypothyroidism And Foods To Avoid” several sites have some variation on the advice Berman got: steer clear of kale.

I think it’s overplayed.

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Since my re-mineralized water includes iodine (along with just about every other nutritionally useful mineral, in proper proportions), and since cooking the several cruciferous vegetables in my smoothie would be a significant addition to the work involved in assembling the 25 or 30 ingredients in it, ... I shall continue to not cook these several cruciferous vegetables in my smoothie.

[TargeT]

Regarding salt:

Regular table salt is basically undigestible because it's been heated to 3000 degrees Farenheit.
Our bodies don't use it or like it.

before I eviscerate this statement, do you have anything to back it up?

Salt IS heated to "dry it" (remove liquids) but only to about 350* (http://www.madehow.com/Volume-2/Salt.html)


Use Celtic sea salt or Himalayan salt, etc., which our bodies love. They have over 90 different micronutrients
in them and are good for us. And we can still have the pleasure of salty flavor. Yummm.


I certainly agree with this statement! ;)

[Tangri]

[QUOTE=Paul;1033012] I have added some kale leaves, onion and garlic to the smoothie.



Remember, all plants do NOT want to be eaten, so they protect themselves in various ways.
Large-scale scientific reviews have determined there's no reason for people with normal blood pressure to restrict their sodium intake.


However, it's been known for the past 20 years that people with high blood pressure who don't want to lower their salt intake can simply consume more potassium-containing foods.

Why? Because it's really the balance of the two minerals that matters.


QUOTE]



"consume more potassium-containing foods."

I am not sure if it is available everywhere but there is another version of salt is KCL (potassium chloride) test is same but no Na(sodium) in it

[Flash]

I cannot look at fat sick and ... Joe's video in my country, it is blocked by Warner's brothers for authors rights. Would have been great.


I'll build upon what Paul has shared regarding reversing and preventing type 2 diabetes.

There are so many great people doing great work out there.

http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/a-plant-based-diet-may-prevent-or-even-reverse-type-2-diabetes/

Dr. Joel Fuhrman features in this movie by Joe Cross.

Joe's own path to healing and the work he has done to inspire people to reverse their diabetes type 2 has been phenomenal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XDSpuMIMPs

Joe touched my heart so much and I felt so inspired by his work that I took my son to see Joe. Here is my son juicing with Joe.
My son was so inspired by Joe that he juices nearly every day.

32451

Here is a story from someone who no longer needs his diabetes medication.

http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/darrell-no-longer-needs-his-diabetes-meds-reboot-profile/

Don Tolman's work in this field
http://thedontolman.com/blog/don-tolman-open-invite-webinar-diabetes-should-we-be-concerned/

Dr. John McDougall

https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/videos/mcdougalls-moments/cure-type-2-diabetes/

Dr. Brian Clements from the Hippocrates institute on reversing diabetes


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VOSPVg121U

[Constance]

I cannot look at fat sick and ... Joe's video in my country, it is blocked by Warner's brothers for authors rights. Would have been great.

Oh dear...I'm so sorry Flash. I've looked at several other different sites and I came up with this...see if this works for you...

http://www.fatsickandnearlydead.com/

[Daozen]

It's easier to up Potassium intake than reduce sodium... Whatever the literature says, I definitely feel off if I eat too much salt.

Some vegetables are goitrogenic. It's also wise to pay attention to high oxalate foods. They appear healthy but can cause many issues.

[Nick Matkin]

Regarding salt:

Regular table salt is basically undigestible because it's been heated to 3000 degrees Farenheit.
Our bodies don't use it or like it.

Use Celtic sea salt or Himalayan salt, etc., which our bodies love. They have over 90 different micronutrients
in them and are good for us. And we can still have the pleasure of salty flavor. Yummm.


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

I don't know where you got that from! Do you mean it's heated to 3000 degrees Fahrenheit is some (expensive) industrial process, or part of its natural formation?

Table salt invariably comes from salt mines deposited by dried up sea. Sea salt comes from evaporated sea water. Some say the latter has health-giving properties. I've seen some sea-salt evaporation beds close up. I really wouldn't want to use salt that had what I saw mixed in with it!

In practice table and sea salts are chemically identical, (a sodium and chlorine compound - both very nasty as individual elements), but both types of salt vary slightly in the other minerals mixed in with them.

Just be aware that imported fancy "natural" salts can very occasionally contain some rather nasty trace minerals. (I didn't make this up, anyone can confirm this themselves.)

It thought salt was the number one dietary cause of high blood pressure. That's what is widely reported, why would anyone make it up if it was untrue? It could be easily disproved, so presumably conclusively proved.

As someone with high blood pressure, I try to minimise my salt intake. I think most of us know we have much more in our diet than we ever need.

[pyrangello]

met a body builder on a plane one time. told him about my high blood pressure, He told me to follow these 4 things.
1) NO intake of any dark liquor - whiskey, scotch , ect.
2) NO soda pop
3) No fast foods
4) No deep fried foods
Did that for 4 months and blood pressure was normal, doc couldn't believe it.

[TargeT]

met a body builder on a plane one time. told him about my high blood pressure, He told me to follow these 4 things.
1) NO intake of any dark liquor - whiskey, scotch , ect.
2) NO soda pop
3) No fast foods
4) No deep fried foods
Did that for 4 months and blood pressure was normal, doc couldn't believe it.

Bodyhackers know what the hell they are about! they generally use basic scientific discovery (aka trial and error with theories) and have a fairly good feedback indicator.

I love those communities (though my favorite currently is nootropics (http://observer.com/2015/04/nootropics/)& brain hacking via supplements (http://nootriment.com/nootropic-supplements/) )




It thought salt was the number one dietary cause of high blood pressure. That's what is widely reported, why would anyone make it up if it was untrue? It could be easily disproved, so presumably conclusively proved.

As someone with high blood pressure, I try to minimise my salt intake. I think most of us know we have much more in our diet than we ever need.

Have you read studies saying that salt causes high blood pressure? I sure haven't.

it apparently MAY cause blood pressure issues if you are salt sensitive & it does slightly raise the density of your blood which is a few points on the scale, but not a systematic cause (given that you aren't salt sensitive).


Salt = high blood pressure seems like a gross exaggeration, YMMV.

[WhiteFeather]

Yeah! My first post....just wanted to share with anyone who is interested that quite by accident I found something natural that has allowed me to drop all three B/P meds that I was on. :clapping: After a build up of three months in my body, it was a result I had not expected. SIBERIAN ELEUTHERO root; 425 mg. Now if anyone out there can help me out with something natural for Type 2 Diabetes; please PM me! Thanks!

I've spent the last two days mostly reading and listening to the following, which provides major insight into the cause, and remedy, of the chronic diseases that plague people on Western diets, including diabetes, high blood pressure, kidney failure, heart and cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer's and various cancers:

How Not to Die: Discover the Foods Scientifically Proven to Prevent and Reverse Disease, by Michael Greger et al. (http://amzn.com/1250066115)
Proteinaholic: How Our Obsession with Meat Is Killing Us and What We Can Do About It, by Garth, M.D. Davis et al. (http://amzn.com/B00KVI4HLO)
NutritionFacts.org (http://nutritionfacts.org/)

So far, I have some flax seeds on order (to be ground up and included in my daily smoothie), and some Celestial Seasonings Red Zinger (tasty hibiscus tea blend), and I have added some kale leaves, onion and garlic to the smoothie, and removed the raw egg. I've also decided to skip the chicken meat in the meal that I get at a local organic cafe, and just stick to their salad bar. And I'm soaking another batch of pinto beans, for one of my staples ... rice and beans.

In short - remove all animal and fish fat and protein, and go to a vegan diet of fruits, veggies, nuts, beans, teas and one of my specialties, filtered, distilled, re-mineralized and re-energized water.

The evidence for such a diet addressing such ailments as type-2 diabetes and high blood pressure (and many other chronic illnesses) is becoming quite compelling in my current estimation.

Since becoming a vegetarian 5 years ago. My cholesterol and BP have been normal. Diet is key. And Thanks for this Info Paul. Great Stuff. ;)

[genevieve]

TargeT and Nick--

Regarding salt being heated to 3000 degrees Farenheit:

I don't have anything to back this statement up. I've read it a number of times over the years
and adopted it as truth. Perhaps I'm off the charts wrong. When I have time, I'll check it out.

And you're more than welcome to eviscerate what I said, TargetT. I'd rather know the truth than be spouting some crap.:facepalm:


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

[Nick Matkin]

Three doctors told me that after "most" of their patients with high blood pressure reduced salt intake, it "significantly" reduced their blood pressure.

I admit this is not the sort of hard factual evidence I normally supply or am happy to read, but I'm comfortable thinking that if the majority of trained doctors have seen evidence themselves that this works, and as someone not medically trained I'm inclined to go along with it.

(I know that not all "well-known facts" are facts at all, but anyway...)

Bloodpressure.org describes here (http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/BloodPressureandyou/Yourlifestyle/Eatingwell/Salt) the link between the two. But in the tradition of selecting any website to support or counter an argument, that well-known journal of scientific research, Britain's Daily Mail, states the opposite here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2752096/Salt-DOESN-T-cause-high-blood-pressure-new-study-claims.html). :bigsmile:

Out of the two, I know which I'd tend to believe.

I have also been told that one of the biggest causes of high blood pressure is... that they don't know, although there is a strong hereditary element, as in my case.

Diet, age and lifestyle will also be factors.

Incidentally, perhaps vegans could help with this research. Surely it has been already done, and I expect they have a lower incidence of many health problems, this being one.

[TargeT]

Bloodpressure.org describes here (http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/BloodPressureandyou/Yourlifestyle/Eatingwell/Salt) the link between the two. But in the tradition of selecting any website to support or counter an argument, that well-known journal of scientific research, Britain's Daily Mail, states the opposite here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2752096/Salt-DOESN-T-cause-high-blood-pressure-new-study-claims.html). :bigsmile:


Growing up with medical industry parents soured me a bit on "doctors" and their "advice".
I do tend to rely on "studies" and peer reviewed papers a bit though.. at least they can be more or mostly accurate.

What I do (with my health related actions) is look into a topic, if there's controversy (AKA SALT) I personally experiment (because at the end of the day, this is seems like the best way to explore a topic).

I've been "borderline" high blood pressure for about 8 years now; salt discipline might have lowered me a few points, but it's hard to say... lots of variables.. completely ignoring my salt intake (eating to taste) for the past 6 years or so hasn't exacerbated the issue at all for me, exercise seems to be the key for my numbers... the more active I am the lower it is (I guess expanded vascular volume?).

but that's just me... anyway just trying to share what I learned but don't trust anything anybody tells you unless you've comfortably explored it your self. ;)

[genevieve]

Okay. I did some checking. Regular table salt is only heated to 1200 degrees Farenheit, not 3000.


Here is a short article by Edward Group about table salt that sums up what I found--it's pretty nasty stuff:

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/dangers-of-salt/



Good health to everyone!

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

[Nick Matkin]

Okay. I did some checking. Regular table salt is only heated to 1200 degrees Farenheit, not 3000.


Here is a short article by Edward Group about table salt that sums up what I found--it's pretty nasty stuff:

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/dangers-of-salt/



Good health to everyone!

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

Thanks for that link. OK, so I don't know where they got their info from! Heating it to even 1200 degrees F seems an awfully expensive thing to do. Why would they do that? It's not explained.

Here's a link that clearly describes salt mining and processing.

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-2/Salt.html

It's got no health axe to grind, and just describes stuff straight. Notice no connection with oil (other than its occasional accidental discovery during oil prospecting) and the heating is just to drive off water after washing at a much more likely 365F, or to evaporate brine at 194F.

I'd be wary of so-called health websites that want to promote this or that.

[TargeT]

Here is a short article by Edward Group about table salt that sums up what I found--it's pretty nasty stuff:

http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/dangers-of-salt/



Good health to everyone!

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

But where does that number come from? It's not realistic at all... and this:


able salt is created by taking natural salt (or crude oil flake leftovers) and cooking it at 1200° Fahrenheit.

Oil Flake Left overs??? huh? salt MELTS at around 1,500 degrees (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt); what is the point of heating it to that temp. Heating above 600* or so gets pretty expensive "industrial" level heating... this doesn't make sense at all.

when ever you see hard numbers there should be a reference (notice how I put a reference in for the 1,500 degree temp).

This is a good discernment exercise; I think the article you linked is mostly fallacious & probably written with an agenda in mind (sell more pink salt or something...)

[Hervé]

Check this thread and Joe Vialls' article:

Got Potassium? Maybe that is why you don't have glowing health! (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28983-Got-Potassium-Maybe-that-is-why-you-don-t-have-glowing-health-)
Modern agriculture is making us very ill. How many people have arthritis pain and increased blood pressure because we are starving? Instead of taking medicine, why not add potassium to your diet?


Originally From http://joevialls.altermedia.info/potassium.html [which has since been removed from the internet]
POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY SCAM KILLS AND MAIMS MILLIONS
[...]

[Constance]

here was something I found interesting about a sugar and white rice diet actually curing diabetes type 2. It turns everything on its head about the perils of white sugar and developing diabetes.
I'm not here to argue anything with anyone, just thought it worth a listen.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cl2IX94GCI

[TargeT]

here was something I found interesting about a sugar and white rice diet actually curing diabetes type 2. It turns everything on its head about the perils of white sugar and developing diabetes.
I'm not here to argue anything with anyone, just thought it worth a listen.


I love listening to new ideas, but when there are statements made with no backing or references I tend to loose interest quickly.

here's a few questions I came up with watching this:

Where is the data?
Where are the metabolic pathways to support what is being said?
What studies were cited and what population were they done on and what controls were used in the studies ( My search of NEJM for a "Brazel" (guessing on spelling) only turns up something on insulin pumps)?

and it all just seemed like a sales pitch for his $90 DVD....

very skeptical on this one.... sounds like vegan propaganda honestly.

[ThePythonicCow]

here was something I found interesting about a sugar and white rice diet actually curing diabetes type 2. It turns everything on its head about the perils of white sugar and developing diabetes.
I'm not here to argue anything with anyone, just thought it worth a listen.


I love listening to new ideas, but when there are statements made with no backing or references I tend to loose interest quickly.
Here's a start on that work (I've not pursued it further yet): Walter Kempner, MD – Founder of the Rice Diet (https://www.drmcdougall.com/2013/12/31/walter-kempner-md-founder-of-the-rice-diet/)

This long review on Amazon of John McDougall 's latest book, The Starch Solution (http://smile.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R3D07LDAZKZDQJ/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1623360277#R3D07LDAZKZDQJ), does a good job of bringing up some of the issues of his diet.

[OBwan]

The following video has unique information on blood pressure.

• How blood pressure is taken (Old method)
• How blood pressure is taken (New method)
• Should everyone have the same blood pressure
• The body increases blood pressure because the body needs more circulation
• The Heart Attack Grill – Humor
• Patented drugs (Toxic chemicals) cause heart failure
• Different countries have different standards for “High blood pressure”
• Eliminate the need for high blood pressure in TWO WEEKS

x0bGTAYSmyM

[TargeT]

The following video has unique information on blood pressure.
x0bGTAYSmyM

Uhh, wow after watching that video I'll say



Growing up with medical industry parents soured me a bit on "doctors" and their "advice".


+100000000000000000!


Now I'm glad I avoid all forms of pills (aspirin & ibuprofen included).... this just re-confirms the fact that everything we are told by large institutions is probably not only wrong, but sometimes the complete opposite of the truth.

I only go to doctors for trauma I cannot take care of myself (broken bones basically..) & everything I look into seems to re-affirm that this is an excellent health practice.

Prime example:

32466

I shattered my knee in June (still recovering) since the bottom half of my knee (the most important weight bearing part that has all the cartilage) was "chunks" they had to put 13 screws in.

My medication was the typical opiates for pain (don't work on me, didn't take em) and 800mg of Ibuprofen every 6 hours.

According to that video (will have to follow up myself of course..) Ibuprofen destroys cartilage.

So they prescribed to me something that will make it so I cannot walk later as a part of the healing process so I can walk..... wtf??

I did take the Ibuprofen for a while (it helped) but stopped for fear of what it would do to my stomach (not even knowing what it was doing to my joints!).

this world is crazy:dancing:

[OBwan]

The following video discusses the Blood Pressure and Cholesterol myth.

• 75% of people who had heart problem had normal cholesterol
• Cancer rates increased when drugs were used to lower cholesterol
• Cholesterol is the body’s repair process
• Cholesterol is powerful anti-oxygen
• England’s medical recommendation is to check blood pressure every five years
• High blood pressure is an adaptation of damaged arteries

PXe2xldWxtY

[Mike]

for anyone seriously interested in the main causes of high bp(and the solutions), i'd strongly suggest the book 'the high blood pressure solution' by dr richard moore. its relentlessly scientific and hugely informative.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51m7xLaZ9SL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

moore is quick to point out that high bp is more of a symptom than a disease, a symptom of an unbalanced potassium to sodium ratio that disrupts the nature of a healthy cell. an unbalanced ratio can lead to all sorts of maladies (stroke, ulcers, asthma etc) but the focus here is on high bp.

he suggests a potassium to sodium ratio of 4:1 in the diet. its not so much how much sodium one takes in daily, its more to do with its relative amount vis a vis potassium. i think this is one of the big misunderstandings.

moore calls it the "K" diet...and it works! for me and my Dad...2 guys who have struggled with high bp for most of our lives.

here's an interesting finnish study:

http://www.foodnavigator.com/Science/Mineral-salts-in-diet-could-cut-blood-pressure-finds-Finnish-study

[Octavusprime]

It is widely accepted that those with high BP should limit their salt intake. Too much of anything is a bad thing but perhaps this is a bit too over exaggerated. Certain subsets of the population are considered salt sensitive (Older folks, African Americans, Females) while others are salt tolerant. This tolerance in the population can be seen with other foods (Lactose, Glutan, Red Meat, etc.). Some people and perhaps some cultures can eat different foods without issue while others are very intolerant of or downright allergic to these same foods. We should apply the same thought to salt.

So for some people limiting salt intake can lower your BP considerably (by increasing the proportion of Potassium vs Sodium). For others this may do next to nothing. Most Americans ingest way more salt than is needed but then again the body is usually great at creating balance and for most of us the excess salt is excreted without issue.

Trial and error is key. Find what works for your body. For me the ACE inhibitor and diuretic have dropped my BP from 150/90 to 135/75 which still isn't perfect but at least I'm moving in the right direction. I've been going to the gym 3x per week and have started eating much healthier (less salt, less processed food, less crap). I hope to one day be off medication but if I can't then I won't sweat it too much. I'd rather not strain my heart and cardiovascular system by ignoring the issue.

Salt, blood pressure and health: a cautionary tale http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/31/2/311.full


Conclusions:

Little controversy surrounds much of what is known about the effects of dietary sodium. Substantial variation in intake (75–100 mmol/24-h) can produce measurable, but modest changes in aggregate blood pressure. However, that effect is variable, and subjects have been arbitrarily described as salt sensitive and resistant. The effect seems to be more substantial in older subjects and in those with higher pressures. Any decision to adopt a low sodium diet should be made with awareness that there is no evidence that this reduction is either safe, in terms of ultimate health impact, or that it will produce cardioprotection. Clearly, there is no justification for a population-wide, public health recommendation for radical reduction (30–50%) in sodium intake.

For hypertensive subjects, sodium restriction can be viewed as another technique to lower blood pressure. Neither its efficacy, nor its safety, nor its contribution to cardioprotection has been compared to other antihypertensive therapies—for drugs which, for example, have been shown to be safe, efficacious, and cardioprotective. Adherence to an evidence-based approach to medical care suggests that sodium restriction should be reserved for patients in whom these proven drug therapies are ineffective, unacceptable, or inadequate. Its use should be carefully monitored to assess both efficacy and safety.

Any sound general dietary salt recommendation must await knowledge of the sum of its multiple consequences on the quality and duration of human life. Until then, no universal dietary recommendation can be scientifically justified.

Salt Sensitivity of Blood Pressure in Humans http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/27/3/481.full


Summary

Abundant evidence from epidemiological and interventional studies has established heterogeneity in the blood pressure responses of humans to alterations in sodium and extracellular fluid balance. Such changes have been demonstrated in both normotensive and hypertensive subjects. Although the manipulations and criteria used for the assessment of salt responsiveness in humans have differed among investigators, there has been general agreement regarding the major observations. The techniques used have been found to be reproducible when repeated in the same subject, and the responses of at least two different protocols have yielded congruent responses when tested in the same subjects. Some consistent demographic factors, such as older age, black race, and perhaps female sex, have been shown to be associated with an increased frequency of salt sensitivity. Evidence has also been found to support the notion that blood pressure response to changes in salt balance may be genetically determined.

Extensive studies have been conducted to identify the physiological abnormality responsible for the heterogeneity of salt responses. Alterations in the renal handling of salt loads have been shown in salt-sensitive subjects as well as several abnormalities of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system. Salt-sensitive subjects are reported to have lower levels of renin and aldosterone than their salt-resistant counterparts. It is not clear whether this is a primary event, a response to real or perceived extracellular volume expansion, or a permissive component that allows a greater decrease in blood pressure with sodium and volume depletion. ANF and renal kallikrein have also been implicated by some studies. A role for the sympathetic nervous system or its receptors has also been suggested by some investigators. Abnormalities of ion transport, involving vascular smooth muscle as well as renal tubular cells, have been invoked, perhaps linked not only to sodium transport but to the ion transport of calcium and potassium as well. Other investigators have proposed a role for abnormalities in the response to insulin in salt sensitivity of blood pressure, but this link is not clearly established. Recent studies of endothelin and nitric oxide indicate that they are also plausible candidates for involvement in salt-sensitive vascular responses.

At present, we recognize that a variety of factors can induce, or prevent, blood pressure responsiveness to the manipulation of salt balance. Future studies should elucidate the genetic basis for this phenomenon and identify factors, inherent or acquired, contributing to it; the compensatory mechanisms that typically guard against the pressor actions of salt loads and that may be impaired in some individuals; and more effective ways of treating this response. Finally, such information should provide the basis for an approach to the primary prevention of salt-sensitive forms of hypertension in humans.

[Constance]

Grounding and supplements...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZvZwpNKR_c

[Constance]

here was something I found interesting about a sugar and white rice diet actually curing diabetes type 2. It turns everything on its head about the perils of white sugar and developing diabetes.
I'm not here to argue anything with anyone, just thought it worth a listen.


I love listening to new ideas, but when there are statements made with no backing or references I tend to loose interest quickly.

here's a few questions I came up with watching this:

Where is the data?
Where are the metabolic pathways to support what is being said?
What studies were cited and what population were they done on and what controls were used in the studies ( My search of NEJM for a "Brazel" (guessing on spelling) only turns up something on insulin pumps)?

and it all just seemed like a sales pitch for his $90 DVD....

very skeptical on this one.... sounds like vegan propaganda honestly.






What I do (with my health related actions) is look into a topic, if there's controversy (AKA SALT) I personally experiment (because at the end of the day, this is seems like the best way to explore a topic).

but that's just me... anyway just trying to share what I learned but don't trust anything anybody tells you unless you've comfortably explored it your self. ;)

I guess that there is only one way to find out if this diet works relative to an individual...

If I have tried everything and nothing has worked, then I leave no stone unturned.

I know that personally, if I have something going on, the first thing I do is address all 12 aspects of my being to see where the imbalances are.

Brian Schaefer talks quite extensively about the 12 aspects of our being in his book

https://briangerardschaefer.wordpress.com/the-nature-of-life-e-book/

[Nick Matkin]

This is an interesting health thread with some sensible advice and some thought-provoking ideas.

But there's an elephant in the room...

If so many of these treatments are actually harmful, even life threatening, why are so many of us living longer than ever?

[ThePythonicCow]

This is an interesting health thread with some sensible advice and some thought-provoking ideas.

But there's an elephant in the room...

If so many of these treatments are actually harmful, even life threatening, why are so many of us living longer than ever?


Cleaner water by separating where our sewage goes out, from where our water comes in.
Lowered deaths due to trauma, accidents and such, through various changes in life style and improvements in trauma medical care.

[ThePythonicCow]

The following video discusses the Blood Pressure and Cholesterol myth.
I have a metaphor that I'm fond of, for how conventional medicine "treats" blood pressure and cholesterol.

Imagine that some powerful politician, say a senator or governor, notices over the years that whenever his limousine drives past an ambulance beside the road, he often learns later that someone died or was injured at that location. So he gets a law passed, mandating that the state acquire a fleet of drones to scan the highways for ambulances stopped near any highway, and that the police use "all means necessary", including deadly force, to disperse any such ambulances that are found, as rapidly as possible. Since the number of such ambulances found by the drones soon drops dramatically, he declares the program a success, and increases its funding (at the encouragement of the drone manufacturer's lobby, no doubt.)

[bettye198]

I hear you Octavusprime. If you can find an advanced nutritional response practitioner near you- I have the HQ clinic phone number just message me, you may be able to get some help.

[angelfire]

Garlic and High blood pressure:
The analysis identified 11 previous studies of garlic supplements and blood pressure. In most of this studies, participants took the garlic in powdered form, in doses ranging from 600 mg to 900 mg daily. The length of the studies ranged from 12 to 23 weeks.

Taken together, the various studies showed that garlic reduced systolic blood pressure by an average of 4.6 mmHg. In people with high blood pressure, the average reduction in blood pressure was 8.4 mmHg systolic and 7.3 mmHg diastolic. The higher the person’s blood pressure at the beginning of the study, the more their blood pressure was reduced.

Finally, the study looked at daily supplements of garlic powder, but also show that garlic supplements contain less of the active ingredient, allicin, than a fresh clove of garlic. There is therefore a question about whether powdered garlic is the best option. Fresh garlic is an excellent flavouring for meals like pasta sauces, for example. If you are trying to reduce the amount of salt you eat, garlic can really help to boost the flavour of your food. So adding fresh garlic to meals may have be a cheaper, and possibly more effective way of getting the effects of allicin than paying for garlic supplements.
http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/mediacentre/Bloodpressurenews/Garlicmaylowerbloodpressure

http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/BloodPressureandyou/Yourlifestyle


My extremely knowledgeable health food shop proprietor recommended leaving chopped/crushed garlic for 10 minutes or so to encourage optimum release of allicin:

"Since cooking can inactivate alliinase, some scientists recommend letting garlic stand for 10 minutes after chopping or crushing before cooking it."

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/food-beverages/garlic

[Arak]

Thanks for the interesting thread. I dont eat meat, dont drink alcohol or smoke, I train at gym 3-4 times a week and have all my life had perfect bp. Until in October 2015 I started in my new job as a team leader and booom... Bp and pulse started to rise (due stress maybe?). Now wondering of I can keep doing my job or not.

[mojo]

Thanks for the interesting thread. I dont eat meat, dont drink alcohol or smoke, I train at gym 3-4 times a week

Hi all, I wanted to revive this old thread about high blood pressure. I dont drink or smoke and work out 6-7 days a week with 50 minutes of cardio. I had a recent visit and my blood pressure was high. I will be seeing a medical professional likely one that the VA will suggest medications. I am also pre-diabetic and have been working on that issue. Some alternative medical doctors say that high insulin leads to high blood pressure. Today I started to take beet juice hoping it will bring down my blood pressure. I hope that taking steps right now can help but the diabetic issue has also been elusive for me in a few years. I dont feel alone as the stats for people with hyper tension is very high. So what worked for you if you had high blood pressure?

[Casey Claar]

Thanks for the interesting thread. I dont eat meat, dont drink alcohol or smoke, I train at gym 3-4 times a week

Hi all, I wanted to revive this old thread about high blood pressure. I dont drink or smoke and work out 6-7 days a week with 50 minutes of cardio. I had a recent visit and my blood pressure was high. I will be seeing a medical professional likely one that the VA will suggest medications. I am also pre-diabetic and have been working on that issue. Some alternative medical doctors say that high insulin leads to high blood pressure. Today I started to take beet juice hoping it will bring down my blood pressure. I hope that taking steps right now can help but the diabetic issue has also been elusive for me in a few years. I dont feel alone as the stats for people with hyper tension is very high. So what worked for you if you had high blood pressure?

Hi, Mojo.. you likely know this already but the blood pressure in constantly in flux. Do you have a blood pressure monitor at home?? They are simple to purchase at most drug stores, or on Amazon if you prefer. I might suggest taking readings for yourself, seated and always with the cuff on the same arm for a period of maybe a month ( once in the AM and once in the PM ). This way you can monitor when, of IF the blood pressure is going up regularly or sporadically - when you eat certain things, or do certain things in particular. Have you gotten all the bad salt, such as in packaged foods out of your diet? Do you stay hydrated? ( were you hydrated the day your blood pressure was elevated? ). What was the reading? may I ask?

[Pam]

As an ex nurse, I was blown away when it was brought up that the body, in it's wisdom knows the blood pressure that is needed to circulate and reach each organ. I had been under the spell of this dogma that we should all have the same blood pressure and anything deemed higher than that could be detrimental to your health. I just checked what is considered high blood pressure in the US and was stunned at what they are now calling high blood pressure. They are now stating that you need to have a blood pressure under the 120/80 to have normal blood pressure otherwise you begin the ladder to what they characterize as high blood pressure and of course, that will require a lifetime need to take medication(s).

mojo, you did not state your blood pressure, but as Casey stated, they vary at different times. They vary if you have your legs crossed, or if you are anxious- are you hydrated? The position of your arm. Even talking during a blood pressure reading could alter it. Many people are anxious see a doctor and that can alter your blood pressure. The size of the cuff makes another variable. As Casey stated, the type of salt that one is using is huge. The old standard, something like Morton's salt, which hardly qualifies as salt with iodine that is not even usable by the body is not beneficial.

I believe in the intuitive intelligence of the body. It provides you with the blood pressure you need to appropriately circulate your body and perfuse your organs. The suggestion that anything above 120/80 is hypertensive to one degree or another is insane and unrealistic.It can even be dangerous. If the blood pressure is artificially lowered it may not be able to reach all the organs and provide blood where it is needed and at the rate that it needs to move through those places. It will sell prescriptions, though.

It would be beneficial if you shared your reading(s) if you are comfortable doing so.

Having said that there are caveats to the situation. There can be constrictions, obstructions and conditions that create a blood pressure that would benefit from intervention. A very high blood pressure can be very dangerous.

I am not trying to recommend any course of action for you, I am just asking you to consider what Casey and I have shared before taking any action. If I can find the video that brought all of this to my attentions I will share it.

[mojo]

What was the reading? may I ask?

Im certain about the systolic number but the diastolic I forget the second number the first reading a week ago was 147 over 90 and yesterday was 148 over 9 something?

Also thank you both for the feedback. I did not have legs crossed and at both times they took two reading and both times the blood pressure came down slightly. I dont add any salt to my meals but I do eat some processed foods that have salt already. It could be that drinking cofffee in the morning might be part of the higher reading?

[Bill Ryan]

What was the reading? may I ask?

Im certain about the systolic number but the diastolic I forget the second number the first reading a week ago was 147 over 90 and yesterday was 148 over 9 something?That's not desperately high, and some would say it's still more or less in the high normal range. (Most would put the high limit of 'normal' at 140/90).

Something like 180/110 would be something to be seriously worried about! You're a very long way short of that. :muscle:

[Casey Claar]

What was the reading? may I ask?

Im certain about the systolic number but the diastolic I forget the second number the first reading a week ago was 147 over 90 and yesterday was 148 over 9 something?

Also thank you both for the feedback. I did not have legs crossed and at both times they took two reading and both times the blood pressure came down slightly. I dont add any salt to my meals but I do eat some processed foods that have salt already. It could be that drinking cofffee in the morning might be part of the higher reading?

Absolutely, Mojo, these can without doubt affect blood pressure.

A Naturopath would tell you the systolic ( top ) number is associated with your kidneys. ( and I agree ). Perhaps begin looking into what you can do to improve kidney function. An adaptogen for sure. I tend to sway toward Ashwagandha for daily use. High dose, even. I, too, need to look after my kidneys. We all need to give them more attention than less at a certain point. I wouldn't sweat a reading of 147/90 unless it was a regular reading and signs of additional illness or dis-ease were creeping in. A systolic number of 150 is the benchmark for me. Serious, diligent attention now go into the situation. Pharmaceutical drugs are never an option. Making changes to my lifestyle, diet and mindset ALWAYS, always come first. With this basis, now naturopathic accompaniments. The body is indeed intelligent, it will seek and achieve homeostasis even with the slightest bit of help. You can do it. What changes will improve upon things for you? It's time to clean shop. It is the best news ever, when you think about it.

[Pam]

What was the reading? may I ask?

Im certain about the systolic number but the diastolic I forget the second number the first reading a week ago was 147 over 90 and yesterday was 148 over 9 something?

Also thank you both for the feedback. I did not have legs crossed and at both times they took two reading and both times the blood pressure came down slightly. I dont add any salt to my meals but I do eat some processed foods that have salt already. It could be that drinking cofffee in the morning might be part of the higher reading?

You bring up another point I neglected to mention which is drinking something with stimulant qualities can definitely raise your blood pressure. Personally, I would get my own cuff and do it multiple times throughout the day, just as Casey wisely suggested. Watch a YouTube video that will refresh your memory on how to get the most accurate number.

Once again, I am not suggesting anything, but as Bill said, that is not a number I would be losing any sleep over. I'm really proud of you for doing some research and seeking others experience. It is what we all need to do when faced with a potential health issues. No more blind reliance on a system that simply does not care about our well being and in fact benefits from our chronic illness states.

[mojo]

Thank you all for the great suggestions. Yesterday I tried my first glass of Beet juice and at my Dental cleaning about 2 hours later they took my pulse and was shocked to see that it went down to 136 on the systolic. I felt so happy to see the change. And Pam that quote you said above was excellent, we should not have blind faith in system that failed us so badly on the Covid vaccine.


I'm really proud of you for doing some research and seeking others experience. It is what we all need to do when faced with a potential health issues. No more blind reliance on a system that simply does not care about our well being and in fact benefits from our chronic illness states.

[gord]

Interesting thread. I've had blood pressure readings as high as 225/150 and as low as 80/50. Not quite sure why I'm still here...

[samildamach]

Magnesium has a big influence on blood pressure,its responsible for lazy value release causing back pressure .450mg a day is suitable target for men and 350mg for woman.i was taking enough but couldn't absorb it and found Celtic salt in a litre of water everyday cured this problem.on a side note I've not had a migrain since in the last two years

[Sloppyjoe]

Hey all, so I'm 33 years old. I've always eaten a strict diet, exercised, low body fat, no caffeine, no alcohol, no smoking, etc. I've recently been going to the doctors for some GI related issues, and they caught onto my high blood pressure(130-140ish readings). They prescribed me medication. I'm reading peoples' experiences with it and the potential side effects and I really don't want to take it. I've always been against long term medication and prefer to do everything I can naturally.

Does anyone here have any experiences or advice with this? It is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[mojo]

Thats not a very bad blood pressure. Mine is higher in the morning. Beet Root juice is excellent to drop blood pressure also another product that is working well for me is called Vinia. It's pricey but amazing results.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87827-High-Blood-Pressure/page3&highlight=blood+pressure

[Sloppyjoe]

Thats not a very bad blood pressure. Mine is higher in the morning. Beet Root juice is excellent to drop blood pressure also another product that is working well for me is called Vinia. It's pricey but amazing results.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87827-High-Blood-Pressure/page3&highlight=blood+pressure

Thank you so much Mojo. I will look into both options, thank you.

[Marianne]

Sloppyjoe, I assume your diet is low sodium? My husband has HBP and it has helped him lower his BP.

I have personal experience with Sweet Marjoram essential oil to reduce blood pressure. It dilates blood vessels, allowing better blood flow. Please message me for directions of use, and dosage.

Sweet Marjoram essential oil also helps with vascular type headaches.

Marianne

[ExomatrixTV]

Book Review - The High Blood Pressure Solution: Preventing Strokes and Heart (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?121203-Book-Review-The-High-Blood-Pressure-Solution-Preventing-Strokes-and-Heart-Disease)
High blood sugars and high blood pressure (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?111604-High-blood-sugars-and-high-blood-pressure)
A theory of kidneys, high blood pressure and toxins (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106111-A-theory-of-kidneys-high-blood-pressure-and-toxins--Bonus-how-I-m-treating-an-infected-tooth-)
Does someone you know have high blood pressure? (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?82844-Does-someone-you-know-have-high-blood-pressure)
Alternative Information for Regulating and lowering blood pressure (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?81420-Alternative-Information-for-Regulating-and-lowering-blood-pressure)



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[Sloppyjoe]

Sloppyjoe, I assume your diet is low sodium? My husband has HBP and it has helped him lower his BP.

I have personal experience with Sweet Marjoram essential oil to reduce blood pressure. It dilates blood vessels, allowing better blood flow. Please message me for directions of use, and dosage.

Sweet Marjoram essential oil also helps with vascular type headaches.

Marianne

Hi Marianne,

My salt levels are almost non existent. I eat very plain. Chicken, potatoes, oats, eggs, nuts, fruit, veggies, etc.

I will message you, thank you.

[Abondance]

I recommend to my clients Hawthorn and olive in gemmotherapy, 15 drops a day. It works well. There are also good results with black garlic in capsules for some people. If it can help you...

[Mike]

I recommend to my clients Hawthorn and olive in gemmotherapy, 15 drops a day. It works well. There are also good results with black garlic in capsules for some people. If it can help you...

Do you have a specific hawthorn/olive product to suggest? Thanks!

[lake]

Just a fyi .... I am in my 60's and my BP has always been very high (or that's what they tell me .... even had to sign waivers to join gyms when I was 40).
It seems to always be around 180/120 since I was young.

I drink beer/cider, smoked since 12, lots of salt on what ever food I want .... and don't worry about it :)

Never took any drugs for it (don't take any pharma drugs and won't since I was old enough to say NO .... which was about 8)

I just don't worry about it .... This body will expire at the correct time and that is fine lol

[Bill Ryan]

they caught onto my high blood pressure(130-140ish readings). They prescribed me medication. .That's not high! Listen to your own instincts (and listen to your body!), and there's a whole bunch of natural ways to bring your BP down just a little if you want to do that.

[Sloppyjoe]

Just a fyi .... I am in my 60's and my BP has always been very high (or that's what they tell me .... even had to sign waivers to join gyms when I was 40).
It seems to always be around 180/120 since I was young.

I drink beer/cider, smoked since 12, lots of salt on what ever food I want .... and don't worry about it :)

Never took any drugs for it (don't take any pharma drugs and won't since I was old enough to say NO .... which was about 8)

I just don't worry about it .... This body will expire at the correct time and that is fine lol

That'a wild! But my instincts say the same thing. I strongly believe that I will go when it's time to go. However I do also believe that we can develop illnesses whether it's meant to be or through choices which may affect our well being while we are here. I want to lower it but I also want to do it naturally. I've already learned so much just today from you guys. It's amazing that Dr's just go straight to prescribing drugs rather than recommend natural methods.

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they caught onto my high blood pressure(130-140ish readings). They prescribed me medication. .That's not high! Listen to your own instincts (and listen to your body!), and there's a whole bunch of natural ways to bring your BP down just a little if you want to do that.

Hi Bill! I hope you are well.

Through all of the help I've been given I have a lot to try!

[Bill Ryan]

A new article by Dr. Mercola, which I thought might be useful to readers who may be concerned about this.


https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2024/09/20/blood-pressure-overtreatment.aspx

The Vast Overtreatment of Blood Pressure

The full PDF is below, but here's the summary in case the PDF isn't immediately visible:

Story at-a-glance


High blood pressure (hypertension) is increasingly common, with more people diagnosed each decade.
At least 25% of hypertension diagnoses are due to inaccurate measurements.
The cause of hypertension is unknown for over 90% of patients.
Aggressively treating blood pressure is believed to prevent cardiovascular disease but only has a limited effect on strokes, not heart disease.
The correlation between high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease is often misinterpreted; impaired circulation causes blood pressure to rise, not the other way around.
In this article, I discuss the limitations of conventional blood pressure perspectives and explore the actual causes of high blood pressure (hypertension).

https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2024/September/PDF/blood-pressure-overtreatment-pdf.pdf
(https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2024/September/PDF/blood-pressure-overtreatment-pdf.pdf)
https://media.mercola.com/ImageServer/Public/2024/September/PDF/blood-pressure-overtreatment-pdf.pdf

[mojo]

I'm still working on reducing my blood pressure. I have found that it comes down to normal levels with the added supplements.
1. Blood pressure medication helps but doesnt bring it down to the normal level
2. Beet Juice
3. Garlic supplement
4. Omega supplement
These additional things get it in the 120-130 level.

[ThePythonicCow]

The Vast Overtreatment of Blood Pressure
The problem is not the overtreatment of high blood pressure.

It's the wrong headed treatment.

Unless perhaps your blood pressure is so high that you notice your physician checking his liability insurance during your visit, apparently out of fear you'll die of a stroke before you get out of his office, don't lower blood pressure for the sake of lowering blood pressure. Blood pressure medicines, like many medicines, often do more harm than good, and also like many medicines serve as a distraction from root cause analysis, while improving profits for big pharma and their lackeys (often your physician) both from the medicines themselves and from the additional prescriptions and treatments needed to address side effects.

Rather use your high blood pressure as a useful, easily measured symptom, of some underlying health issue.

For example, a diet too high in sugars and starches will push up insulin levels, which will lead to various tissue damage and symptoms, including higher blood pressure.

Some of us might benefit from a low sugar/starch diet (starches are just chains of glucose -- a way to spike blood glucose levels without the sweet taste, but still often causing a following insulin spike, at least until you wear out your pancreas). Some of us might benefit from a diet high in saturated fats, modest in protein (proteins have essential amino acids, but a diet with more protein than your body needs will stress your kidneys), and with a full variety and balance of the numerous essential and/or quite beneficial minerals, vitamins, and other nutrients.

My blood pressure went from say 160/110, to 105/65, on such a diet change, over time.

I was a bit disappointed that I didn't see more root cause analysis in Mercola's work. Perhaps I didn't read far enough; he is certainly very knowledgeable in this area.

[Bill Ryan]

Recommendations from Dr. Jack Kruse: (probably more appropriate here than on the dedicated Dr. Jack Kruse thread (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?123684-Dr.-Jack-Kruse))

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Electrolyte balance is crucial for maintaining proper blood pressure and overall cardiovascular health. Here’s how key electrolytes influence blood pressure:

Sodium: Sodium plays a significant role in regulating blood pressure. High sodium intake can lead to water retention, increasing blood volume and, consequently, blood pressure. Reducing sodium intake is often recommended for managing hypertension.

Potassium: Potassium helps balance sodium levels and promotes the excretion of excess sodium through urine. Higher potassium intake is associated with lower blood pressure. Foods rich in potassium include bananas, oranges, spinach, and sweet potatoes.

Calcium: Calcium contributes to vascular contraction and relaxation. Adequate calcium intake may help maintain healthy blood pressure levels. Dairy products, leafy greens, and fortified foods are good sources of calcium.

Magnesium: Magnesium helps relax blood vessels and is involved in regulating blood pressure. Low magnesium levels can lead to increased blood pressure. Foods like nuts, seeds, whole grains, and leafy greens are rich in magnesium.

Chloride: Often found in conjunction with sodium, chloride helps maintain fluid balance and may influence blood pressure indirectly.

Maintaining a proper balance of these electrolytes through diet and hydration is important for regulating blood pressure and supporting cardiovascular health. If you're concerned about your blood pressure or electrolyte levels, consulting a healthcare professional is recommended.
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Maintaining proper electrolyte balance is essential for regulating blood pressure. Here are general guidelines for key electrolytes:

Sodium:
Recommended intake: Less than 2,300 mg per day (1,500 mg for those with hypertension or at risk).
Aim to reduce processed and high-sodium foods.

Potassium:
Recommended intake: About 2,500 to 3,000 mg per day for adults (4,700 mg is often cited for optimal health).
Sources: Bananas, oranges, potatoes, spinach, beans, and nuts.

Calcium:
Recommended intake: About 1,000 mg per day for most adults (1,200 mg for women over 50 and men over 70).
Sources: Dairy products, leafy greens, fortified foods, and fish with bones.

Magnesium:
Recommended intake: About 310 to 320 mg per day for women and 400 to 420 mg for men.
Sources: Nuts, seeds, whole grains, legumes, and leafy greens.

Chloride:
Recommended intake: About 2,300 mg per day.
Usually obtained from sodium chloride (table salt) in a typical diet.

Tips for Maintaining Electrolyte Balance:

Stay Hydrated: Proper hydration helps maintain electrolyte balance.

Eat a Varied Diet: Include a wide range of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean proteins, and dairy to ensure a good mix of electrolytes.

Limit Processed Foods: These often contain high levels of sodium and low levels of potassium and other important nutrients.

Monitor Intake: If you have specific health conditions, such as hypertension or kidney issues, work with a healthcare professional to tailor your dietary needs.

Regularly checking your blood pressure and consulting with a healthcare provider can help ensure that your electrolyte levels are balanced for optimal health.

[grapevine]

11 MISTAKES IN MEASURING YOUR OWN BLOOD PRESSURE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n01wAPHDeGA&ab_channel=AdamJ.Story%2CDC (10:58)

Don't know about you but when I take my blood pressure, I take it 3 times for good measure and I get 3 different readings . . . :laughs:

[Bill Ryan]

11 MISTAKES IN MEASURING YOUR OWN BLOOD PRESSURE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n01wAPHDeGA&ab_channel=AdamJ.Story%2CDC (10:58)I was impressed with that, and according to everything that I believe I understand myself he's 100% spot-on in the list of mistakes he cautions about.

Encouraged by that, I clicked the link to his next video, which I've NOT watched. But I'm betting it might contain some good advice as well.

Dr. Story's Complete Guide to Naturally Lower Blood Pressure


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g37i0sth7LM

You asked:
Don't know about you but when I take my blood pressure, I take it 3 times for good measure and I get 3 different readings . . . :laughs:

What he didn't say in his '11 Mistakes' video was that you need to take a short break between successive readings, or else the next one (or two!) may be spurious. Many advise at least one minute between successive readings, but 5 minutes may be a little better if you have the time to wait.

But it's natural for blood pressure to vary quite a lot during the day, even over short periods. As he states in his '11 Mistakes' video, if it's high all the time then there might be a problem that it may be worth considering taking some action to resolve.

:muscle::heart::muscle:

[Mike Gorman]

Like many men over the age of 50 I have a touch of hypertension, nothing alarming but if left to its own does register upwards - I was prescribed Perindopril Arginine which I am told is one of the more benign medications, 5mg per day sees my numbers hover around 'normal' - I think we should never underestimate the value of regular walking, a good stroll 2-3 times a week keeps the doctor away!!