"Bashar" - Fraud, Pawn or What?

[OMG]

WOW…ok, so I found the following post on another forum today. It's definitely worth sharing!

Let me say that if this is true and not some "audio de-synchronization" then it's a real WTH moment!

1. Who is behind this advance technology and why?
2. Why would Darryl Anka (the Channeler of Bashar) not divulge this? Deception seems undeniable.
3. What about Bashar’s message are they trying to use against us, etc?

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“This was recorded for certain before 1999, it sounds like at least a couple. Maybe 1996.

If your headphones are good enough, you may actually be able to verify the proof at 1:25 through the Youtube link alone.

YOU CANNOT CONFIRM WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY WITH THE AUDIO LEVELS OF THE VIDEO ABOVE. You NEED to download it using http://www.keepvid.com as an .mp4 at 480p and play it back using VLC player using headphones. You will have to listen very closely to hear what we intend to hear, but after you notice it ONCE, you will notice it throughout the whole thing. So just accomplish it once.

Here's the extremely shocking thing that I have discovered: It seems that this channeler, who has become VERY renown for channeling Bashar (supposedly a benevolent, super-evolved extraterrestrial intelligence) is being fed these so-called 'transmissions' by a white male HUMAN voice that is relaying the information to him in realtime. These are most evident at the following timestamps, although it is happening throughout the entirety of the responses. Again, you will need to run it through VLC player to hear. And you will need headphones:

0:54 - this is insanely blatant. You can hear that after he says "after we translate the phrase" the channeler momentarily stops as you can hear a voice in the background say "isolated, limited terrorist..." to which the channeler follows suit right away.

1:06 - after the channeler finishes saying "America", the voice in the background goes on saying "primarily.." to which the channeler follows suit.

1:17 - At the exact moment which the person finishes asking the question "do you know when it is likely to occur?" you can immediately hear the white male voice in the background speak first even before Bashar speaks. This is very important since it is a case of the background voice speaking first before the channeler begins speaking at all, which is the clearest (and first) case of this happening in the video. Effectively eliminating the possibility of any audio de-synchronization, which was already completely absurd to begin with since the questioner has no such effect over his voice and the background voice is clearly nothing like the channeler's...

1:25 - THIS IS THE CLEAREST, MOST UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO.
After the channeler finishes saying "2001", the white male voice in the background goes on to very clearly say, "MOST LIKELY, in or around" HOWEVER, the channeler does not say this right away, instead he says "MOST LIKELY, either" (he probably says "either" because he did not clearly hear what the other male voice said, signalling for a repeat, or he was biding for more time just in case the message he was receiving from the background voice would be a little lengthy so he'd have time to relay it clearly) and THEN after a repeat by the background voice saying "in or around" a second time, the channeler continues with "in or around". This undeniably proves that there are two different people involved in this transmission and that Bashar is not an extraterrestrial channeler but a complete deceiver and government pawn. I have just proved this for certain.

1:39 - After channeler finishes saying "because nothing is." You immediately hear the background voice chime in with "But there are other..."

1:45 - "That may allow"

It's all perfectly clear, my friends...

AGAIN, this is all happening throughout all the responses given in the video, however these timestamps are the most evident.

This is all truly eye-opening. If you have been trying to figure out for some time now what the deal is with extraterrestrials and the so-called ruling elite, analyzing this will move you a step in the right direction.

Bashar is a government pawn not in direct contact with any extraterrestrial intelligence for that matter, but merely a total slave being used to prepare the world for something. What that something is is up to you to recognize when it arrives. The implications of everything I have revealed in this thread are very real. This accomplishes a great deal of things.”

[KiwiElf]

It could also be echo-feedback from the (bad) recording (quite common when two microphones are used ie one from Darryl and another from the questioner). I've attended a live Bashar Seminar and we were sitting in the front row almost close enough to reach out and touch him. IMO, he's the real deal and given this is such a poor recording, I don't really think anything useful can be gained from jumping to conclusions. (apart from the information). As there are hundreds of recordings available and at least one book downloadable from here I think you're making very premature (& incorrect) judgements from just one example.

"Reading a single page from a 500 page book does not an expert make" - ME

EDIT: And if you listen to the information, he quite correctly predicted 9-11 - there are several other sessions he did on this...

[Innocent Warrior]

The first voice is the same as Bashar's and he says it EXACTLY the same as Bashar does. This is an audio anomaly, not some government operation.

[Flash]

It could also be echo-feedback from the (bad) recording (quite common when two microphones are used ie one from Darryl and another from the questioner). I've attended a live Bashar Seminar and we were sitting in the front row almost close enough to reach out and touch him. IMO, he's the real deal and given this is such a poor recording, I don't really think anything useful can be gained from jumping to conclusions. (apart from the information). As there are hundreds of recordings available and at least one book downloadable from here I think you're making very premature (& incorrect) judgements from just one example.

"Reading a single page from a 500 page book does not an expert make" - ME

EDIT: And if you listen to the information, he quite correctly predicted 9-11 - there are several other sessions he did on this...

you would not hear a back information given to Bashar from a live presentation when you are sitting near him, The piece would be in his ear and you would not be aware of it. There is a few example of this already, moslty with religious gurus in America.

However, if Bashar is being fed the answers, then where does the one feeding the answers taking them from. The speech have to be quite well prepared, but.. the live answers have to be as fast in the background as they would be from Bashar. So the mystery remains, who is channelling Bashar, truly in the front stage or back stage?

Here a debunker, James Randi, who debunks a psychic using an ear piece to get info and transmit it as if it were his own, making 4 millions$ a year with his fraudulent methods.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y

[KiwiElf]

BASHAR - Blueprint for Change - A Message from Our Future (PDF)
By Darryl Anka, transcribed by Luana Ewing

241 pages, 990 kb - text only


This 'future voice' provides one of the clearest in-depth insights yet on how we create our experiences on this physical plane of existence, and how we can change these experiences for the better. It offers some simple working tools for achieving higher levels of love, joy and fulfillment. For anyone who desires to enhance their understanding of life, and discover how they can evolve in ways they desire, I highly recommend this book.
- Mark Jones, former Editor, Free Spirit Magazine, Los Angeles, CA

===

[ Mod-edit: Link to this book was removed, due to Copyright Infringement notice. Paul, 6 Feb 2017. ]

[KiwiElf]

Well he must have been wearing invisible earphones, flash! :)
Like I said, listen to the information (or read the book) - I'm not here to debate for those who argue without doing their "due research".

It wasn't a pre-prepared speech - it was a live question and answer session as most of his live sessions are - and we met him directly afterwards. I think anyone would have noticed if he was wearing earplugs.

Darryl has been doing this since the 80's and NO-ONE has proven him to be a fraud yet.

[Flash]

i know he has been there since the 90's and to tell the truth, I like him. But.... this does not stop me from wondering if it may be possible that there is fraud, it has to be discussed if any substantative information is found.

I would very much like some of our specialist in studio taping and stage show could come up with an answer from the back voice in the recording. Could it be a technical itch, or is it fraud?

Second: even if there is some back stage person feeding in Bashar, how can they come with those answers as fast as they do to answer the public. The mystery still remain even with an ear piece feeding Darryl.


Well he must have been wearing invisible earphones, flash! :)
Like I said, listen to the information (or read the book) - I'm not here to debate for those who argue without doing their "due research".

Darryl has been doing this since the 90's and NO-ONE has proven him to be a fraud yet.

OH' it would be better to have a direct link to the book, weird things happens when i follow the link to the other Avalon thread you have given (the page cannot be found)

[KiwiElf]

Works fine for me. Stop being so lazy - go to the thread - you'll find it :)

[OMG]

The first voice is the same as Bashar's and he says it EXACTLY the same as Bashar does. This is an audio anomaly, not some government operation.

1. But why does he speak AFTERWARDS? If it was an audio anamoly wouldn't he speak first and then the anamoly occur (repeat) afterwards? But it's reverse...

Can anyone provide examples of such an anamoly?

2. If the voices follow the same tone and meter does that mean he couldn't mimic such?

3. Doesn't have to be earpieces...could just as well be advance implant or remote tech.

4. If we're dealing with advance groups, Alien, AI or otherwise, then they could easily provide spontaneous responses. I can do this myself to varying degrees just by observing life closely and having lived long enough to see how things interrelate, etc. And using his or a human sounding voice can also be deliberate.

5. I tend to like the guy and his messages too...but there are also unsettling elements about him as well.

[Innocent Warrior]

The first voice is the same as Bashar's and he says it EXACTLY the same as Bashar does. This is an audio anomaly, not some government operation.

1. But why does he speak AFTERWARDS? If it was an audio anamoly wouldn't he speak first and then the anamoly occur (repeat) afterwards? But it's reverse...

Can anyone provide examples of such an anamoly?

2. If the voices follow the same tone and meter does that mean he couldn't mimic such?

3. Doesn't have to be earpieces...could just as well be advance implant or remote tech.

4. I tend to like the guy and his messages too...but there are also unsettling elements about him as well.

No idea bro, all I know is they're both his voice. I have a good ear for voices, good enough that listening to it is proof for me, however, I understand it can only be offered as anecedotal evidence for others.

[KiwiElf]

It seems to me OMG that you're completely missing the point (and the above posts). We're not here to spoon feed you. Do some research - we've done ours. You CANNOT absorb information by mental osmosis. Read the book. Listen to MANY more of his audios before you create a thread that belongs on BEFORE IT'S NEWS :)
(... and perhaps stop looking for a "conspiracy" where there isn't one?)
Cheers

[Innocent Warrior]

OMG, I just now did a quick search on reverse echo;

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That doesn't prove Darryl isn't being fed the words but it does show the effect can be created.

[OMG]

It seems to me OMG that you're completely missing the point (and the above posts). We're not here to spoon feed you. Do some research - we've done ours. You CANNOT absorb information by mental osmosis. Read the book. Listen to MANY more of his audios before you create a thread that belongs on BEFORE IT'S NEWS :)
(... and perhaps stop looking for a "conspiracy" where there isn't one?)
Cheers

You're a rude one lol... How's that been working out for you?

Not exactly sure what you're talking about with me "missing the point" and "spoon feeding"...

FYI: I've listened to countless videos of Bashar. And I'm not interested in reading another book right now. I have too many books on my plate as is.

I'm open...I'd be happy to see ANY examples of an audio/video recording where the speakers voice echo proceeded his own. Particularly in the same period as that which is in question. That would be a good start to defuse any ridiculous "conspiracy".

:)

[Daozen]

I think OMG is right to question Bashar. I don't align with his information because he makes predictions far into the future. The situation is too dynamic for one single timeline to manifest. For this reason, I do not pay much attention to his videos.

http://creationislove.com/planetary-predictions-for-2015-2016-and-beyond/

On the other hand, I don't see the point in dedicating much time to debunking him, when his audience is relatively tiny. Best make energetic progress doing something positive.

[KiwiElf]

We Elves are cheeky perhaps OMG ;) and for the record (as a tough - ex Uni lecturer, it's worked out just fine, thank you :)

Sound anomalies - well I'd ask an audio technician about that ;)

OK, you don't have enough time to read his book. Fine (then you're missing a lot about what "Bashar" is all about). Honestly? I don't care if it's "Bashar" talking or coming from Darryl himself (or some mysterious hidden stooge talking to him via earplugs). The information imparted is what's really important, which is entirely up to the individual as to how they interpret it.

Some channels are complete frauds. No argument from me on that. And I've been studying this "stuff" for 50 years. Whatever Bashar is (or isn't), what he's got to say is worth listening to... IMO.

And that's all I'm really prepared to say about it.

Have fun :)

[RunningDeer]

it would be better to have a direct link to the book, weird things happens when i follow the link to the other Avalon thread you have given (the page cannot be found)


Works fine for me. Stop being so lazy - go to the thread - you'll find it :)

BASHAR - Blueprint for Change - A Message from Our Future (PDF) (http://www.mensenrechten.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Bashar-Blueprint-for-Change.pdf)

[Innocent Warrior]

Nothing wrong with being skeptical btw;

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:)

[OMG]

I think it's more than fair to say that after listening to as many videos of Bashar over the years that it would be a misaligned presumption to assume that I'm missing his message.

P.s. And I've invested over 50 years myself...for what that's worth...

Cheers
:)

[raff]

Thank you OMG for this heads up. It's interesting that although i enjoyed listening to Bashar and Abraham Hicks that i always FELT afterwards cold and flat like the words never lifted my spirit. I enjoyed the visual and aural spectacle but my spirit was never nourished which funnily why I haven't gravitated towards these type of videos. And you dear OMG are a Godsend. Cheers old boy/girl.

[regnak]

Bashar I am not a fan but I allow other to like or dislike him :idea:

For me personal his message is you have to create the conditions to get what you what ie allow it in and do positive things and your dream will come it that the gist of his message :cash:

[animovado]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=32454&d=1451387616


"Permission-slip" anyone?

[Flash]

Paula, you are a gem. Thank you



it would be better to have a direct link to the book, weird things happens when i follow the link to the other Avalon thread you have given (the page cannot be found)


Works fine for me. Stop being so lazy - go to the thread - you'll find it :)

BASHAR - Blueprint for Change - A Message from Our Future (PDF) (http://www.mensenrechten.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Bashar-Blueprint-for-Change.pdf)

[Olaf]

What we hear, is not a reverse reverb, but a normal effect that occurs when audio is recorded on magnetic tape.
Those pre-echoes (also reffered as Tape print-through) are the result when the magnetic field of one layer of tape copies through the tape on the neigbour layers.


Pre-Echo is an effect of print-through (ie: the magnetic flux on the tape magnetising the adjecent layers).
Pre-echo is where you hear a loud signal from the previous layer of tape just before you hear the real thing.

source: www.dvforums.com/forums/pre-echo (http://www.dvforums.com/forums/pre-echo)

Print-through (Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Print-through)

I have a lot of cassette tape recordings with this artefact. Normally you do not hear it in music, because it will be masked by the continuous flow of the sound of the music.
But you can hear it quite good in magnetic audio recordings of speech.

The magnetic copying effect intensifies when the magnetic tape is stored for a long time without being played, because than the neighbouring layers will touch exactly the same positions of the other layers for a long while.

Edit:
The formerly linked Wikipedia entry (Pre-Echo (Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-echo)) is only referring to pre-echo as an digital artifact resulting from audio compression. So it was missing the point.
The exact term in English language would be "Print-through".

[Flash]

Finally we have two examples of how audio can create this reverberation of speech. So Bashar is not debunked yet - sleep in peace KiwiElf.:cool2:

By the way, a light comment while passing by: it is not necessary to be rude to us when we do not go your way. Most people here were quite unemotional while trying to find out if Bashar was or was not debunked. And truly, it is the best way to go with the thousands of channellers we have, checking up on them, because most won't come out quite white, in my views, with few real nuts cases as well (when not fraudulent per say).

And..... I am not lazy!! I took your comment with a grain of salt, because of the kiwi effect (like Australians, not the same mentality nor same humour as those cool ;) Canadians lol).




What we hear, is not a reverse reverb, but a normal effect that occurs when audio is recorded on magnetic tape.
Those pre-echoes are the result when the magnetic field of one layer of tape copies through the tape on the neigbour layers.

Pre-Echo (Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-echo)

I have a lot of cassette tape recordings with this artefact. Normally you do not hear it in music, because it will be masked by the continuous flow of the sound of the music. But you can hear it quite good in magnetic audio recordings of speech. The magnetic copying effect intensifies when the magnetic tape is stored for a long time without being played, because than the neighbouring layers will touch exactly the same positions of the other layers for a long while.

[Sunny-side-up]

I believe D.A and Bashar to be true!

But the argument of 'It's a live session with live questions from someone that D.A doesn't know is not proof, it could all be rigged up before hand!

But after so ling we would think someone would have come forwards by now saying 'I gave questions to a ready made answer/s'

I still say D.A is true!

[Akasha]

What we hear, is not a reverse reverb, but a normal effect that occurs when audio is recorded on magnetic tape.
Those pre-echoes (also reffered as Tape print-through) are the result when the magnetic field of one layer of tape copies through the tape on the neigbour layers.


Pre-Echo is an effect of print-through (ie: the magnetic flux on the tape magnetising the adjecent layers).
Pre-echo is where you hear a loud signal from the previous layer of tape just before you hear the real thing.

source: www.dvforums.com/forums/pre-echo (http://www.dvforums.com/forums/pre-echo)

Print-through (Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Print-through)

I have a lot of cassette tape recordings with this artefact. Normally you do not hear it in music, because it will be masked by the continuous flow of the sound of the music.
But you can hear it quite good in magnetic audio recordings of speech.

The magnetic copying effect intensifies when the magnetic tape is stored for a long time without being played, because than the neighbouring layers will touch exactly the same positions of the other layers for a long while.

Edit:
The formerly linked Wikipedia entry (Pre-Echo (Wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-echo)) is only referring to pre-echo as an digital artifact resulting from audio compression. So it was missing the point.
The exact term in English language would be "Print-through".

To be sure, I just put the audio into Ableton (my digital audio workstation of choice), cut out the suspect bits, placed them on a separate audio channel, turned that channel up +30db, filtered out the low end noise up to with 600hz to isolate the voice as much as possible and I'd say with 98 % probability ;) it's definitely a pre (not reverse - the words are faint but forwards) echo. it's not someone feeding him his lines, it's him. The intonation, inflection and dynamics are, to my ears, identical to the main, audio print.

[TargeT]

The first voice is the same as Bashar's and he says it EXACTLY the same as Bashar does. This is an audio anomaly, not some government operation.

1. But why does he speak AFTERWARDS? If it was an audio anamoly wouldn't he speak first and then the anamoly occur (repeat) afterwards? But it's reverse...

I edit video as a new hobby. (https://www.youtube.com/user/CruzanCowgirls) It's entirely possible, back in those days (and even now) people had to manually "sync" audio to video.. sometimes its slightly off. There are multiple audio sources here, it's very possible that the guy asking questions had his audio sync not quite lined up and you were hearing what his mic picked up from the channeler before they started to play the channelers audio... I'd have to do further analysis but I know how hard it is to do all this exactly right as an amature (which looks to be the case from this video) so that's really enough evidence for me.



2. If the voices follow the same tone and meter does that mean he couldn't mimic such?

Much more probable that it is an audio issue (see above, this is the same answer to the rest of your questions)

[WhiteLove]

The first voice is the same as Bashar's and he says it EXACTLY the same as Bashar does. This is an audio anomaly, not some government operation.

1. But why does he speak AFTERWARDS? If it was an audio anamoly wouldn't he speak first and then the anamoly occur (repeat) afterwards? But it's reverse...

Can anyone provide examples of such an anamoly?

2. If the voices follow the same tone and meter does that mean he couldn't mimic such?

3. Doesn't have to be earpieces...could just as well be advance implant or remote tech.

4. If we're dealing with advance groups, Alien, AI or otherwise, then they could easily provide spontaneous responses. I can do this myself to varying degrees just by observing life closely and having lived long enough to see how things interrelate, etc. And using his or a human sounding voice can also be deliberate.

5. I tend to like the guy and his messages too...but there are also unsettling elements about him as well.

Thanks OMG for this thread, I think this kind of content deserves to be looked at more closely, I have just like you and the source that originally posted the information, reacted quite heavily to the fact that Bashar was able to predict the 911 events with certain details that makes it unique. I am trying to debunk the information channeled as well, because I want to know whether it is a power of deception or a power of truth. That aside, I will now comment on the "white male speaking the message to him" theory.

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1. But why does he speak AFTERWARDS? If it was an audio anamoly wouldn't he speak first and then the anamoly occur (repeat) afterwards? But it's reverse...
Can anyone provide examples of such an anamoly?
2. If the voices follow the same tone and meter does that mean he couldn't mimic such?
3. Doesn't have to be earpieces...could just as well be advance implant or remote tech.
4. If we're dealing with advance groups, Alien, AI or otherwise, then they could easily provide spontaneous responses. I can do this myself to varying degrees just by observing life closely and having lived long enough to see how things interrelate, etc. And using his or a human sounding voice can also be deliberate.
5. I tend to like the guy and his messages too...but there are also unsettling elements about him as well.
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I think that what may have happened here is that two tracks of audio, one track from the microphone of the questioner and one track from the microphone of Darryl were merged together into the same audio file. Bashar's response is leaking into the microphone of the questioner and because it takes some time for the audio to reach that microphone (but if I'm not wrong that should really be the other way around, but in a small room that delay should be very very low anyway), and because of additional delays that might have occured in the audio editing program as a result of added software such as limiters without delay compensation and with long latencies in the kind of soundcard used back then, and even because the audio files might have been added in a bit sloppy, then the combination certainly makes it possible to have it ending up like this. Even the video+audio bounce process could have caused it due to high system load against the available capacity. Could be as simple as some running background process in some old Windows OS introducing this time delay during the video+audio bounce process. Considering when this was created, what gear was likely used and the nature of the anomaly, the echo + latency theory is certainly the first theory to debunk before making any other speculations about it. Now, with video added during that process as well, it very likely becomes a time delay caused by the system.

If I have time I will record this into Pro Tools and make some additional analysis, but I'm quite sure it's just an echo in a different audio track and nothing else, because both the tone and the words seem to be the same. However, one word different and it's not a feedback anymore. If the echo says car and Darryl says girl, then it's not an echo anymore. So please try to find such an example. But if you can't, it's likely because it's just an echo we are analysing...

In some video Bashar said this:

c = 2 * pi * rad * f

This is a very interesting piece of math that he shared, that I've been looking very closely into, it opens up a new world of possibility. My calculations indicate that it really seems to be true... It says that the frequency of a planet is how many rotations light can do around that planet in a second. The only thing about it that puzzles me is why Bashar claims the frequency of earth is 7,5Hz. According to the above formula, that seems to be correct, it's just that the Schumann resonance frequency is 7,82Hz and in some of my calculations I trust the most I am landing at 7,8203 Hz, which is very close to the Schumann frequency. Nikola Tesla is said to have landed at 7,83Hz in his calculations, and I have some equations leading to that exact number as well. Therefore my perspective on this is that either the above formula is some more general form used based on some more general rounded data (that might even have been a bit falsified), when so it would indicate that data is data coming from earth rather than from space, indicating that it might have been Darryl who originally did this math rather than "Bashar". Or he has access to better data...

[Sunny-side-up]

Mr D.A/Bashar says/speaks some very refined and helpful words to people in his sessions!
Ways of helping ever day problems, ways of helping personal development, ways of looking at the world, universe, metaphysics, spirituality, science, ET's etc, etc

If it is not a channeled Bashar then who ever it is has great wisdom! so where is the problem anyways?
I still think D.A is a true channeler, Bashar a real entity!

[WhiteLove]

Mr D.A/Bashar says/speaks some very refined and helpful words to people in his sessions!
Ways of helping ever day problems, ways of helping personal development, ways of looking at the world, universe, metaphysics, spirituality, science, ET's etc, etc

If it is not a channeled Bashar then who ever it is has great wisdom! so where is the problem anyways?
I still think D.A is a true channeler, Bashar a real entity!

Interesting that you are going that far Sunny-side-up as to say that Bashar is really an ET that is channeled through Darryl... I'm not saying that could not be the case, but oh boy do I have a hard time going that far about him... :blushing:

[giovonni]

will share this here ...


A UFOHUB Exclusive Interview


On a personal note. I enjoyed doing all the interviews that I have done so far but I really appreciated the opportunity to sit down and talk to Darryl. I first heard about Bashar, about 10 years ago and it has changed my life completely. Whether you believe that Bashar is an actual E.T or not is obviously a decision that each and every one of you has to make for yourself. All I can say is when I started to not just listen to the messages but actually, literally, physically, started applying these concepts to my life. Everything changed! The experiences that followed as a result of making the changes in my life based on the messages from Bashar were incredible and it gave me a whole new perspective on what "CONTACT" actually meant. As a result from these interactions UFO HUB came about and there are still many more exiting things to come. So I hope you enjoy the interview and I hope it helps you on your journey in life.


http://bashar.org/aboutmessagedarryl.html

Published on Jun 1, 2015


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNxwjxINz5g&feature=em-uploademail

[Sunny-side-up]

Mr D.A/Bashar says/speaks some very refined and helpful words to people in his sessions!
Ways of helping ever day problems, ways of helping personal development, ways of looking at the world, universe, metaphysics, spirituality, science, ET's etc, etc

If it is not a channeled Bashar then who ever it is has great wisdom! so where is the problem anyways?
I still think D.A is a true channeler, Bashar a real entity!

Interesting that you are going that far Sunny-side-up as to say that Bashar is really an ET that is channeled through Darryl... I'm not saying that could not be the case, but oh boy do I have a hard time going that far about him... :blushing:

Hi WhiteLove :)
Hmm! Actually I said 'Entity'

Do you think he is channeling?
if so what/who and from where?

[Finefeather]

All you need to do to place some doubt on his integrity is to listen to the audio while keeping in mind a few facts which he claims himself... and they are...

This Bashar is supposed to come from the future... some 300 years or so, I can't remember exactly... which means he/she/it would know the outcome of our history quite accurately... ?
Then why would he say at the end that he cannot give exact dates... for the questions asked... because our collective consciousness has not determined this yet?

Surely it's not difficult to realise that from his 'time in the future' this collective consciousness is far already being determined in that respect. He was after all only talking about around 2001 in this video.

It would have been much more convincing if he said..."I cannot tell you dates because it might change your destiny" or some other junk :)

Bashar... Darryl Anka... is about as fake as they come imo... but the above is not the only reason I think that…

The main reason is that Darryl Anka fails to realise that there are actually people alive today who know very well that there are no Beings living in the future... he has no knowledge of time and the way the Cosmos works... the present is what the entire Cosmos is experiencing now... all future events are ONLY probabilities and have not yet been finally determined... which is the exact thing he said at the end of this video/audio.

This same fake concept was put forward by Al Bielek of Philadelphia Experiment fame when he tried to convince people that he ended up in the future.

Bashar has no idea what reality is.

The above however does not imply that some of the statements he makes in his videos may not be true... but these are not in any way new to the present consciousness... but if you don't know reality despite being so far in the future then you are a sure fake...

And then there is the fact that he not once... ever... mentions the planetary beings who live in the next higher kingdom... you may not think this is significant but in time we will all know.

Ray

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Finefeather


This Bashar is supposed to come from the future... some 300 years or so, I can't remember exactly... which means he/she/it would know the outcome of our history quite accurately... ?
Then why would he say at the end that he cannot give exact dates... for the questions asked... because our collective consciousness has not determined this yet?


all future events are ONLY probabilities and have not yet been finally determined... which is the exact thing he said at the end of this video/audio. Is't that your own answer?

Many time lines, many combinations, some maybe with slightly and or drastically different physical/material laws!

[Finefeather]

Hi Finefeather


This Bashar is supposed to come from the future... some 300 years or so, I can't remember exactly... which means he/she/it would know the outcome of our history quite accurately... ?
Then why would he say at the end that he cannot give exact dates... for the questions asked... because our collective consciousness has not determined this yet?


all future events are ONLY probabilities and have not yet been finally determined... which is the exact thing he said at the end of this video/audio. Is't that your own answer?

Many time lines, many combinations, some maybe with slightly and or drastically different physical/material laws!
Sorry I am not sure which answer you mean but if it is.." all future events are ONLY probabilities and have not yet been finally determined..." then yes it's my own.

The entire concept of timelines the way you are stating is not reality... timelines are probabilities at any given moment... they change constantly and only one is taken... they are simply choices we make in life.

I have studied some of my past timelines... where I have had to make some big decision which choice I would make... once we have chosen a timeline it does not mean that another one of us goes on the other timeline/s.

Ray

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some maybe with slightly and or drastically different physical/material laws!
Sorry forgot this...
Our Cosmos has only one physical world and all the laws are constant.
There are of course higher worlds like the emotional world and the mental world and causal world... and much much higher where matter does not manifest quite the same as in the physical world... but... time is constant in the entire Cosmos... it is however relative to the world you want to measure it from. Time is simply the measure of the duration of some cycle.

[Sunny-side-up]

I believe that 'the me' consciousness can jump time lines leaving a version of me behind doing what it was doing when I jumped, 'the me' that jumped goes into a version of me experiencing that time line in a slightly different way!

All running along side each other, all slightly different and in ways merging!

I have positive experience of it but, it might have been a very big act of telekinetic's.
I take it (From my experience) that I moved from one place to another, another place that was in a safe position, the me left behind o.0 well I hope he made it!
I don't feel it was me he jumping down the road physically (By 'me' I mean me, my friend, my dog and the car we where in).
I had a witness to the even't but he has now moved over!

[Finefeather]

I believe that 'the me' consciousness can jump time lines leaving a version of me behind doing what it was doing when I jumped, 'the me' that jumped goes into a version of me experiencing that time line in a slightly different way!
Well it is possible to have a multiple consciousness experience...2 places at once... I have done that often between my kitchen and the bedroom... but if you have in fact done that you should have become aware that your attention was only in one of the places at a time... not both... because the true self or monad cannot split into 2 and live 2 lives on different timelines... the monad which is the real you is a single primordial atom and is indestructible... it is present everywhere we place our attention.

[TargeT]

[QUOTE=Sunny-side-up;1033222]the monad which is the real you is a single primordial atom and is indestructible... it is present everywhere we place our attention.

now you've left the spiritual realm and entered the scientific.

has this "monad" been observed in any reproducible way?

(I imagine the "observer" effect in quantum measurement would be one example? though very anecdotal )

[Finefeather]

the monad which is the real you is a single primordial atom and is indestructible... it is present everywhere we place our attention.

now you've left the spiritual realm and entered the scientific.

has this "monad" been observed in any reproducible way?

(I imagine the "observer" effect in quantum measurement would be one example? though very anecdotal )
Well the Cosmos is an electrical phenomena and the word 'spiritual' is just an old word invented by people who could not physically see a Being when out of body so they called it spirit...

I guess it would not even be too reckless of me to say that the word 'spirit' may even come from the likeness of alcohol when it evaporates :)

In Hylozoics which is a system handed to us via Pythagoras we can see the real term for spirit is energy... and the trinity which we come across in every religion and philosophy... like Spirit, Soul and Body gets a new meaning when you use...Energy, Consciousness and matter.

Pythagoras coined the term monad and I doubt if any physical apparatus would come close to observing it when we find it difficult to observe 'HUGE' particles in a machine like a Collider.

Monads are single primordial atoms which are the building blocks of the entire Cosmos... we are each one of these in a state of activation which is billions of times what it starts off as...they are also the tiniest single point of life and everything that exists consists of monads in various states of activation or consciousness.

[WhiteLove]

Mr D.A/Bashar says/speaks some very refined and helpful words to people in his sessions!
Ways of helping ever day problems, ways of helping personal development, ways of looking at the world, universe, metaphysics, spirituality, science, ET's etc, etc

If it is not a channeled Bashar then who ever it is has great wisdom! so where is the problem anyways?
I still think D.A is a true channeler, Bashar a real entity!

Interesting that you are going that far Sunny-side-up as to say that Bashar is really an ET that is channeled through Darryl... I'm not saying that could not be the case, but oh boy do I have a hard time going that far about him... :blushing:

Hi WhiteLove :)
Hmm! Actually I said 'Entity'

Do you think he is channeling?
if so what/who and from where?

Hi Sunny-side-up! I really don't know, I wish I knew... To me it appears that he is in some kind of a creative state and it might be that in this a lot of the "conditioned limitations" are not present in the logical process, hence what comes from it maybe is of a less dense nature than what is normally the case among humans here on earth, hence as a result might be of a higher degree of absolute truth in the absolute sense. So from this point of view, maybe this is a state in which there is some kind of link made to a higher portion of the self in which information is downloaded and passed through, originally existing in a less dense density. So I'm open to the idea, it's not impossible. But I am still confused about what this really is, I also find that it would be great if this intelligence would spill the beans a bit more. Why that doesn't happen is a bit of an issue as well. But there are things about this that is very interesting, for instance his repeating mentioning of unconditional love, which I've personally experienced as very profound in a very special OBE experience I had. So I am definitely not ruling anything out, but I would like to know what exactly this source is... It's very interesting...

[Sunny-side-up]

I believe that 'the me' consciousness can jump time lines leaving a version of me behind doing what it was doing when I jumped, 'the me' that jumped goes into a version of me experiencing that time line in a slightly different way!

Well it is possible to have a multiple consciousness experience...2 places at once... I have done that often between my kitchen and the bedroom... but if you have in fact done that you should have become aware that your attention was only in one of the places at a time... not both... because the true self or monad cannot split into 2 and live 2 lives on different timelines... the monad which is the real you is a single primordial atom and is indestructible... it is present everywhere we place our attention.

Just wondering there Finefeather, how where you experiencing multiple consciousness? Your attention was only in one place!
Such a great subject ha ;)

Hmm?

I've driven my car along a busy road for around 5-8 minuets while looking down on Earth as if from a very hi orbit!
My consciousness was totally in orbit and it was deeply pondering the beautiful Earth below, it wasn't in the car. what was in the car was just a body on auto pilot! but I could't say for sure if it was still down there on the road or not?

But what I was saying about jumping time lines could have my above experience as an example! The only difference being that I jumped back in to my car from orbit, where in my car crash example I jumped through the accident into a safe version of my journey, a jump of a very near time line to a safe point! leaving the bad ending time line!
A jump that affected my passengers sate of mind and reality!

Sorry OP derailing in progress 0.o

[Flash]

Sorry for the continuing derailling, but as far as I am concerned, nothing has technically proven that Bashar was a fake (even if Finefeather believe he is, with I must say good reasoning). and this thread could therefore change direction a bit in my views. Either about Bashar, or something else, up to the OP.

However, I find the derailing in progress quite interesting. And I have my own question for Finefeather.

sunny side up is talking about multiple locations in different timelines and you answered it is possible to be at two places however, the primordial atom is only at one place.

Then Sunny side up mentions her accident where she was seeing earth, then came back and put herself at a safe distance from the crash her car was involved in, to th dismay of her passenger (if I understood right, but here I may be wrong about the story). She is asking who was driving the car and who put her away from it, if I understood right.

My own question would be: is that possible that my primordial atom enters in contact with X primordial atom in another dimension and that I see X lifes through my own and that this information from X primordial atom has an impact on me/mine?



I believe that 'the me' consciousness can jump time lines leaving a version of me behind doing what it was doing when I jumped, 'the me' that jumped goes into a version of me experiencing that time line in a slightly different way!
Well it is possible to have a multiple consciousness experience...2 places at once... I have done that often between my kitchen and the bedroom... but if you have in fact done that you should have become aware that your attention was only in one of the places at a time... not both... because the true self or monad cannot split into 2 and live 2 lives on different timelines... the monad which is the real you is a single primordial atom and is indestructible... it is present everywhere we place our attention.

[DeDukshyn]

Sorry for the continuing derailling, but as far as I am concerned, nothing has proven that Bashar was a fake ...

Nothing has been proven fake. I'm 100% certain this is just an audio anomaly, they are rampant in the audio recording world. I also work with fairly extensively with audio (as a hobby musician, and as a part time videographer), and I saw nothing that wasn't a mere artifact.

Olaf and Akasha's input, also from audio experts, can not be thrown out. This another example of "nibiru lens flares", except the audio version. Those who need more "evidence" to reason Bashar as a "pawn" or whatever need to search elsewhere. This is not it.

What I really wish could happen is that people could learn to trust their own sense regarding each specific message, concept, idea, or rationale. regardless of "speaker". If one needs to some "evidence" to create a judgment about a speaker or source to determine the value of any specific message, rather than applying that reasoning to the message itself, one is either weak, or lazy. Unfortunately, most people are in this state. Strength is found not in giving your reasoning away to a sweeping judgement, but rather, found in refining that judgment into accurate reasoning for the smallest, most refined (finest<--double meaninged) observations.

[KiwiElf]

Well said DeDukshyn - And in response to your earlier comment Flash, (...and please don't put all Kiwi's in the same basket with your sweeping generalisations, - [teacher hat ON]), what do you seriously think your teacher would say to you if you asked them to do your homework for you?? That being something YOU can and should be able to do for yourself = definition of "spoon fed". Frankly, if you can't hit a supplied link and do a little bit of scrolling, that's pretty lazy in my book). Sorry if that appeared "rude" to you - blunt definately :).

I'm tired of a few people in here who have nothing better to do but create arguments, flame other members who have done their study/research just for the hell of it, muddy the waters and do little if any research to back it up. (And OMG, - that goes for you too - there is a vast difference between being skeptical and cynical).

Enuf said...

[Karpos]

Thread is about whether the audio isv two persons. After listening to evidence I think it is clear that it is an audio anomaly. However I think ba$har is either a fraud, who charges a lot of money, or trance medium being used by an Astral entity, not an ET AT ALL. Much like the spiritualists used to channel dead folk from summerland, they just play like ET. WHOEVER they are.

Fraud or pawn, who cares, I just want to know if the people who say he predicted 911 are going off the bit in op video where he predicts a nuclear attack? ??

[KiwiElf]

Karpos - read the above post - perhaps I should have added you in there too! :)

[Karpos]

No, I read it before I posted. :p

I'm on the fence about messages through channels and CONTACTEEs. I think some may be a part of a cosmic psyop by ET and or higher/parallel beings from Earth. A benevolent psyop, no matter how off and contrary that may sound. I might start a thread about it. Bashar though, does not fall in my personal 'legit' communication file. But, it's all complicated, seeing how not even we on a forum like this can agree on who is who and what. People like Adamski and Tassel might have been legit, used by real beings, while opportunists like Corey Goode took over the field. Complicated.

[Flash]

When i am not writing from my own composition, which some never do, I do document my posts and the links are always direct links. i do think i do my job on my side, to make it easy on the reader.

How many videos without comments we have, how many undocumented posts we have to ask for links, how many writings are taken from other places without naming the original writer, frankly, i do my job pretty well in general.

Furthermore when it will become a job, I will quit. It has to be somewhat pleasurable within limits of making it easy for the reader.

When I give no links or referrals, it is because it is my own writing, with my own ideas, which many are not ever doing.

And i am often thinking in a foreign language to you, having to translate in my head before writing. It takes us, foreigners to the English language, about twice as much time to write a post as it takes to you, English speakers.

So please, stop these kinds of lessons, they are futile. If you want to bang, bang on others who are much worse than I am. Wrong target here.


Well said DeDukshyn - And in response to your earlier comment Flash, (...and please don't put all Kiwi's in the same basket with your sweeping generalisations, - [teacher hat ON]), what do you seriously think your teacher would say to you if you asked them to do your homework for you?? That being something YOU can and should be able to do for yourself = definition of "spoon fed". Frankly, if you can't hit a supplied link and do a little bit of scrolling, that's pretty lazy in my book). Sorry if that appeared "rude" to you - blunt definately :).

I'm tired of a few people in here who have nothing better to do but create arguments, flame other members who have done their study/research just for the hell of it, muddy the waters and do little if any research to back it up. (And OMG, - that goes for you too - there is a vast difference between being skeptical and cynical).

Enuf said...

[Innocent Warrior]

Dear members - a reminder that the topic of this thread is not about our opinions of each other.

:focus:

[Finefeather]

I believe that 'the me' consciousness can jump time lines leaving a version of me behind doing what it was doing when I jumped, 'the me' that jumped goes into a version of me experiencing that time line in a slightly different way!

Well it is possible to have a multiple consciousness experience...2 places at once... I have done that often between my kitchen and the bedroom... but if you have in fact done that you should have become aware that your attention was only in one of the places at a time... not both... because the true self or monad cannot split into 2 and live 2 lives on different timelines... the monad which is the real you is a single primordial atom and is indestructible... it is present everywhere we place our attention.

Just wondering there Finefeather, how where you experiencing multiple consciousness? Your attention was only in one place!
Such a great subject ha ;)

Hmm?

I've driven my car along a busy road for around 5-8 minuets while looking down on Earth as if from a very hi orbit!
My consciousness was totally in orbit and it was deeply pondering the beautiful Earth below, it wasn't in the car. what was in the car was just a body on auto pilot! but I could't say for sure if it was still down there on the road or not?

But what I was saying about jumping time lines could have my above experience as an example! The only difference being that I jumped back in to my car from orbit, where in my car crash example I jumped through the accident into a safe version of my journey, a jump of a very near time line to a safe point! leaving the bad ending time line!
A jump that affected my passengers sate of mind and reality!

Sorry OP derailing in progress 0.o
Yes we are on the edge of been annihilate for being off topic :)

You were out of your body... car trips are famous for it because the frequency seems to be conducive to it... people fall asleep easily in a car or a train etc.

This is different to mental projection...OBs are full separation from the body... whereas multiple consciousness experiences are mental projections to places you are physically familiar with.

I am going to stop posting about this....

Thanks OP for your kind patience and mercy :)

Love
Ray

[CD7]

Wow.....I listened to the OP video a number of times....

My first listen I wasnt listening for back round as I had not read your written post yet...then I read and listen 4 or 5 more times...I heard the audio back round voice but wanted to listen to make sure it wasn't echo and eventually I had heard words being said in the back round before Bashar does...more clear whn discussing NY attack....

Still hard to say from this....could be audio tampering....

One thing I will say.....theres some things about Bashar that rubbed me the wrong way....certain things he's said I found myself Fuming to the point if I were in front of him id be yelling.....something in his logic..don't want to pull it apart right now, just being honest...however I've enjoyed many things he's said as well...so it creates a conundrum within...

[Anchor]

he has no knowledge of time and the way the Cosmos works...

The implication here is that you conclude this because you think that you do know the way the cosmos works - and your interpretation of Bashar's words is in contradiction to your cosmology so :

a) he (Bashar/Darryl Anka) is wrong about this

b) he is "about as fake as they come imo".

I'd rather be wrong than a fake, but I can't see how you get to your opinion (b) from your opinion (a) - it seems a little unjust to me.

I'm in a different camp to you. I do not have a problem with the notion of Bashar existing in a timeline that is approximately 300 years in advance of my own and that Daryl Anka is able to channel the entity Bashar from that location is space/time.

I know full well that makes one of us wrong!

Since it is obvious that you wont agree with me - lets assume its me that is "wrong" - it doesn't make me a fake.


the present is what the entire Cosmos is experiencing now

Says who? The very word "present" admits the existence of time. It comes with an attendant past and future.

I happen to have the view that time is part of the construct of the reality we experience - a necessary aspect of the matrix so we can see cause precede effect, provide a comprehensible framework of cause and effect and thus a more tangible link to the outcome of choices we make in our ongoing experience of our slice of reality and reinforce the need to be careful with our choices and make them carefully, mindfully and genuinely in alignment with the sum of what we each have become in the moment of that choice.

If we all experienced reality as a timeless unfolding moment we would not even quibble over the notion of time.

It is a fact that everyone reading this does not experience the "present" all the time - including you - and thus the ideas of time, and ordered events in a sequence becomes part of our reality. After all you had to get from the kitched to the bedroom right? It didn't all happen at the same time.

With this idea of time, comes the idea of time-lines, multiple time-lines, different futures, cross-communication between then (forward or backward along the time-lines) and there is no science I am aware of that can rules that out in anything like a compelling way.

The complete nature of the reality we inhabit currently is not known to us in a way that can be clearly articulated, and explanations, lacking any completely understood scientific frame of reference, will necessarily require the use of imperfect analogies since there is no other frames of reference.

Personally I like the information that the pair (Daryl/Bashar) bring forth and I apply my own discrimination to what is said. It is quite natural and highly likely that different listeners will come to different conclusions that the ones I do.

I never for one moment thought he was "fake" and also, never for one moment did I think he was some kind of infallible oracle of truth either that over-rode the imperative to discern and decide for your self what to accept and what to reject.

[Finefeather]

You spent your entire post telling me how wrong I am… and questioning my statements... but you have not given even one reason why you think Bashar is real...except that you 'like' the info… that makes it an emotional one not based on any objective facts.

Why not try to give me objective facts which dispute the points I made rather than just pile me with your philosophy.

The only one thing you say is a fact..."It is a fact that everyone reading this does not experience the "present" all the time" and I agree... is individually just a subjective thing anyway... when we think of the past or the future... we do not see millions of people flying off to their subjective mental journeys do we?

Fake people sell their fake stories to gullible people… real people give truth to discerning people for free...(an esoteric truism)

I realise that you are a Ra fan so Bashar would be right up your street hey :)

Have a great new year.


he has no knowledge of time and the way the Cosmos works...

The implication here is that you conclude this because you think that you do know the way the cosmos works - and your interpretation of Bashar's words is in contradiction to your cosmology so :

a) he (Bashar/Darryl Anka) is wrong about this

b) he is "about as fake as they come imo".

I'd rather be wrong than a fake, but I can't see how you get to your opinion (b) from your opinion (a) - it seems a little unjust to me.

I'm in a different camp to you. I do not have a problem with the notion of Bashar existing in a timeline that is approximately 300 years in advance of my own and that Daryl Anka is able to channel the entity Bashar from that location is space/time.

I know full well that makes one of us wrong!

Since it is obvious that you wont agree with me - lets assume its me that is "wrong" - it doesn't make me a fake.


the present is what the entire Cosmos is experiencing now

Says who? The very word "present" admits the existence of time. It comes with an attendant past and future.

I happen to have the view that time is part of the construct of the reality we experience - a necessary aspect of the matrix so we can see cause precede effect, provide a comprehensible framework of cause and effect and thus a more tangible link to the outcome of choices we make in our ongoing experience of our slice of reality and reinforce the need to be careful with our choices and make them carefully, mindfully and genuinely in alignment with the sum of what we each have become in the moment of that choice.

If we all experienced reality as a timeless unfolding moment we would not even quibble over the notion of time.

It is a fact that everyone reading this does not experience the "present" all the time - including you - and thus the ideas of time, and ordered events in a sequence becomes part of our reality. After all you had to get from the kitched to the bedroom right? It didn't all happen at the same time.

With this idea of time, comes the idea of time-lines, multiple time-lines, different futures, cross-communication between then (forward or backward along the time-lines) and there is no science I am aware of that can rules that out in anything like a compelling way.

The complete nature of the reality we inhabit currently is not known to us in a way that can be clearly articulated, and explanations, lacking any completely understood scientific frame of reference, will necessarily require the use of imperfect analogies since there is no other frames of reference.

Personally I like the information that the pair (Daryl/Bashar) bring forth and I apply my own discrimination to what is said. It is quite natural and highly likely that different listeners will come to different conclusions that the ones I do.

I never for one moment thought he was "fake" and also, never for one moment did I think he was some kind of infallible oracle of truth either that over-rode the imperative to discern and decide for your self what to accept and what to reject.

[Anchor]

You spent your entire post telling me how wrong I am…

I did not do that actually and I only picked a subset of your statements most of which struck me as your opinions presented as fact.

I read the majority of your posts because I find them worthwhile and very good food for thought.


Why not try to give me objective facts which dispute the points I made rather than just pile me with your philosophy.

I can no more do that than anyone can in this subject matter.

This forum would be done in short order if that were possible.

My pile of philosophy is the only basis from which I can tackle this. Thus this thread of debate ends.


I realise that you are a Ra fan so Bashar would be right up your street hey :)

It is known :) Yes they are well aligned.


Have a great new year.

I expect I will, I hope you will also have a great new year.

I look forward to more food, I will probably not respond further on this morsel.

John..

[RunningDeer]

...hit a supplied link and do a little bit of scrolling,...
I come in peace, KiwiElf. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/smileys-smiley-with-sign-434109_zpscauq51t6.GIF

It's my nature to figure technical things out and pass along to those interested. This is one of those times. It's an instructional tidbit on "How to create a link to a specific post" - see post #41 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?66104-How-to-Tips-with-Visuals-for-Links-Quotes-Images-etc.&p=1027518&viewfull=1#post1027518).

Example: Bashar - Blueprint for Change.pdf is found at post #197 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=650128&viewfull=1#post650128)

RunningDeer ♡

:offtopic:
(My apologies to Rachel for being off topic. :wave: )

[KiwiElf]

No probs RunningDeer - that particular link I provided was directly to the PDF stored in my attachment folder and unfortunately, I didn't know how to provide a direct link to it on this thread as I can no longer see it. (I do appreciate you providing it! - my original source has now gone along with the massive index of all his audios :( - glad I downloaded them all!

My version of the PDF doesn't contain the foreword from Darryl himself - which explains a good deal - or the many diagrams.

My comment at the time to Flash was tongue-in-cheek (and cheeky, hence the smiley) ;) - Flash & OMG - I apologise for my harsh comments.

I received a post from Herve some months ago re how to get access to ALL our pic files stored in our own personal attachment folder (in other words, they are there but we may no longer be able to see them in "Managing Attachments," and can no longer re-link them other than the original thread they appeared in). Unfortunately, it seems to be unresolved??

However you may have resolved it! Thank you! :)

I'm attaching a YT video of an interview with Darryl and he explains quite clearly what he's about, openly admitting that he does not know if who he channels is "Bashar" or from his own sub-conscious (and on that note, he says Bashar is not an individual per se but a collective). He gives insights on how channelling works (for him) and how it all began.

On a side note, others have compared Bashar to Seth as channelled by the late Jane Roberts.

Again, I emphasize the value of the information to you individually (or not) - as does Darryl, (not who or where it may be coming from). As "Bashar" says himself, (close paraphrase), "We have no need for you to believe anything we say, and we can't prove it to you anyway[what he says], but we guarantee you can prove it to yourself 100%". "If what he says is not for you, that's fine too - you will find it elsewhere" :)

For the skeptics out there, it may be worth listening to. ;)

DyNwxRMgJbY

[RunningDeer]

My version of the PDF doesn't contain the foreword from Darryl himself - which explains a good deal - or the many diagrams.
Thanks for the video, KiwiElf. I’m downloading it now. These days I don’t have a need to follow him. Though if a new video pops up I’ll have a listen.

I loaned out my “Blueprint for Change : A Message from Our Future (http://www.amazon.com/Bashar-Blueprint-Change-Message-Future/dp/1562841130/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1451700131&sr=8-1&keywords=Darryl+Anka)”. Can’t recall to whom. Back in the day, I printed a lot of material off his site @ bashar.org (http://bashar.org).

I also have his “Quest for Truth: 100 Insights That Could Change Your Life (http://www.amazon.com/Quest-Truth-Insights-Could-Change/dp/096560781X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1451700199&sr=8-2&keywords=Darryl+Anka),” and many DVD’s and audio versions of his material. I’m aware of the link you provided for his lectures. At some point, I wasn’t able to access it because I had bookmarked it on an old computer that went kaput. Now I understand why google didn't help.

For those interested that miss it, here’s a free pdf version of “Quest for Truth (http://www.mensenrechten.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Bashar-Quest-for-Truth.pdf)”. The cost on his site (http://www.basharstore.com/books/) is $22.95. At Amazon, it’s more than tripled in price: $75 (new) & $59 (used).

RunningDeer ♡

[WhiteLove]

Still hard to say from this....could be audio tampering....


Yes, that too, you just open a DAW software, copy the original audio to a second track, delay it, then mess with it until it is difficult enough to hear that it is actually Darryl. And then you can also just add your own voice if you want to mess with it that way. Therefore, yeah it could be...

I guess we need to know is this the original recording, or is there some other recording out there as well that does not have this feedback on it... Having said that, I'm more convinced than not, that this is not Darryl having someone telling him what to say. From what it sounded like, it appears to be a latency issue in the production system used when the production was created.

[KiwiElf]

The missing bits from "Bashar - Blueprint for Change" PDF (Part 1) (c) 1990 Darryl Anka

Foreword

One of the most amazing things about this book is its timeliness. It comes to us at the perfect stage of the New Age transformation. As more and more people become aware of the inherent power within them, any aid to the handling management and channeling of that power falls within perfect timing.

One of the most distinguishing features of this material is its applicability. So many books and sources sound so good to most of us, but do not seem so achievable in practice. This material is workable within the parameters of each of our particular lives. Generally, when we are creating upsets, our sense of reason seems to alter. We don't see things as clearly as we usually do. Most of our "educated" thinking falls by the wayside, and instead of acting, we are more likely to react.

The information you will read in these pages is obtainable and usable when in the reactive frame of mind. It literally allows you you to transform these situations into useful components of your life. The mechanics for creating your life according to your preferences are outlined in this book. By applying it, you will enable yourself to live the life you choose, doing what you have most wanted to do. It will enable you to live on a planet where people can actually respect one another's viewpoint, regardless of whether they agree with that viewpoint or not. It will also enable you to live a life of harmony, abundance, fulfillment and joy.

Lastly, it can re-empower you to have FUN. The very implementation of this type of thinking is, in and of itself, FUN. If this sounds at all appealing, read on.

Andrew D. Bayuk, D.C.

About the Channel

Darryl Anka is an illustrator and designer and has a partnership in a special effects miniatures company. His company has for some time been working on a futuristic theme resort, a dynamic simulation of our future world - which will demonstrate the possibilities of what can be done.

Late in 1983, in a channeling class, Bashar and Anima began coming through Darryl. By mid-1984 he was channeling both entities once a week to more and more people.

Then over the next 2 1/2 years Darryl's channeling sessions expanded to several nights a week. By now he was almost solely doing Bashar, as word spread and Bashar's popularity grew. Early in 1987, a necessary larger space in Encino was found to accommodate the crowds, these crowds quickly growing to average over 200 people at the regular Thursday evening sessions. Meanwhile Darryl was also channeling for other groups as well, while giving private sessions on request, and traveling throughout the United States and Japan doing public sessions and workshops.

Now that Darryl's excitement, and thus his main focus, is on his futuristic theme park, Andromeda, he has been only occasionally available for channeling since early 1989. This is by mutual agreement with Bashar, who is excited for Darryl and his theme park also, and is sending much energy to Darryl's project.

Darryl is at present residing in Woodland Hills, California.

- There's more;... to be continued - please forgive my lousy typing/transcription - I'm better at drawing than typing ;) - KE

[Savannah]

I'm a channel and have published a book of channeling.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/192-6946709-0061652?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=savannah+henninger

I would not recommend you read it, not because it's fake but because its disinformation or it’s a negative alien agenda. I swear to you I did not just sit and dream it up. I down loaded it into my brain and put down what I heard onto paper. Some of the concepts were completely foreign to me. I think most channels are not "faking it" in that their intent is not to consciously deceive others. I was convinced I was giving the world important information and it was a service to humanity. I now believe otherwise. When you open to channeling I believe it can come from Astral manipulators, government technology to promote an agenda or possibly Et’s or extra dimensional entities. I think very few channels are providing info from ET’s or ED’s and those that do I still suspect they have an agenda to manipulate our perceptions and beliefs that in some way benefits them in the end. I believe Bashar is getting information in his head and it’s real to him. I just think it’s not worth listening to because I can’t yet discern what is real from what is not real. Thus I don’t want to be manipulated. For a good book on Astral sourced channels read The Hungry Ghost what an eye opener. All channeled material has truth mixed with disinformation, thus debating if Bashar says things that seem profound as an argument to prove all what he says is true is faulty. We all have our personal experiences that shape our opinions. I have read hundreds of channeled and new age books since 1984. I now believe the New Age movement was a government social engineering program part of MK ultra. I think we are on the tail end of it and I’m still trying to figure out why they wanted so many people to “wake up” to some truth and a whole lot of BS. Perhaps it has to do with the NWO false ET invasion. Understanding the Hippie movement as part of MK ultra has helped me understand the extent they will go to manipulate perception( read Weird Science in the Canyon).

[enfoldedblue]

I'm a channel and have published a book of channeling.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/192-6946709-0061652?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=savannah+henninger

I would not recommend you read it, not because it's fake but because its disinformation or it’s a negative alien agenda. I swear to you I did not just sit and dream it up. I down loaded it into my brain and put down what I heard onto paper. Some of the concepts were completely foreign to me. I think most channels are not "faking it" in that their intent is not to consciously deceive others. I was convinced I was giving the world important information and it was a service to humanity. I now believe otherwise. When you open to channeling I believe it can come from Astral manipulators, government technology to promote an agenda or possibly Et’s or extra dimensional entities. I think very few channels are providing info from ET’s or ED’s and those that do I still suspect they have an agenda to manipulate our perceptions and beliefs that in some way benefits them in the end. I believe Bashar is getting information in his head and it’s real to him. I just think it’s not worth listening to because I can’t yet discern what is real from what is not real. Thus I don’t want to be manipulated. For a good book on Astral sourced channels read The Hungry Ghost what an eye opener. All channeled material has truth mixed with disinformation, thus debating if Bashar says things that seem profound as an argument to prove all what he says is true is faulty. We all have our personal experiences that shape our opinions. I have read hundreds of channeled and new age books since 1984. I now believe the New Age movement was a government social engineering program part of MK ultra. I think we are on the tail end of it and I’m still trying to figure out why they wanted so many people to “wake up” to some truth and a whole lot of BS. Perhaps it has to do with the NWO false ET invasion. Understanding the Hippie movement as part of MK ultra has helped me understand the extent they will go to manipulate perception( read Weird Science in the Canyon).

I think you are partly correct in that the new age movement and the hippy movement were corrupted by the tptb (for lack of a better word). However, I don't believe that they created it. I think tptb have some ability, likely using occult practices, to predict mass energy trends. I believe that the shift in consciousness that began in the sixties was a real phenomenon. They knew it was coming and had a strategy to counter-act it. The strategy is one they use a lot. They learn to mimic a frequency then they place 'their people' in key positions and then once they have mobilised the masses they manipulate and direct they energy according to an agenda that meets their needs. This explains why the sixties movement started as a love focused community based movement that morphed into a dark, selfish, ego focused one. The New Age movement is similar. Here is an article I wrote on this: Smoke and Mirrors (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwis8umQ547KAhXjGqYKHTp4BmMQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwakeup-world.com%2F2015%2F06%2F04%2Fhow-to-see-through-the-smoke-and-mirrors%2F&usg=AFQjCNFpyOVuTgD4AGWfScYtUZiZz3-Hng&sig2=EbX64zF_wWdYmecZK9dzZA&bvm=bv.110151844,d.dGY) I think tptb want us to throw the baby out with the bath water ...

[onawah]

I agree, enfoldedblue. TPTB can't stop our evolution completely, though they can run interference, and I think there was much in both the hippie movement and the New Age movement that was unstoppable because both have featured nurturance for the natural next step in our evolution, and by the same token, both have featured much that was commendable.
Furthermore, both have very much underscored the necessity for learning individual discernment and wisdom, so that we can better separate the wheat from the chaff.



I think you are partly correct in that the new age movement and the hippy movement were corrupted by the tptb (for lack of a better word). However, I don't believe that they created it. I think tptb have some ability, likely using occult practices, to predict mass energy trends. I believe that the shift in consciousness that began in the sixties was a real phenomenon. They knew it was coming and had a strategy to counter-act it. The strategy is one they use a lot. They learn to mimic a frequency then they place 'their people' in key positions and then once they have mobilised the masses they manipulate and direct they energy according to an agenda that meets their needs. This explains why the sixties movement started as a love focused community based movement that morphed into a dark, selfish, ego focused one. The New Age movement is similar. Here is an article I wrote on this: Smoke and Mirrors (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwis8umQ547KAhXjGqYKHTp4BmMQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwakeup-world.com%2F2015%2F06%2F04%2Fhow-to-see-through-the-smoke-and-mirrors%2F&usg=AFQjCNFpyOVuTgD4AGWfScYtUZiZz3-Hng&sig2=EbX64zF_wWdYmecZK9dzZA&bvm=bv.110151844,d.dGY) I think tptb want us to throw the baby out with the bath water ...

[DeDukshyn]

I think you are partly correct in that the new age movement and the hippy movement were corrupted by the tptb (for lack of a better word). However, I don't believe that they created it. ...

As far as I am concerned the PTB, don't really "create" anything. Their role has nothing to do with any creation, in their mind it's too much effort. They use and abuse existing structures for their own purposes - that's about all they need to do - the strategies have been carefully planned so as to maximize impact with as little resources as possible.

I also agree with the rest of your post.

[KiwiElf]

I mentioned it on another thread but perhaps relevant here also; we could throw most religions (including the Bible) into the bin if channeling were not to some degree "real" - (the Bible is, for the most part, channeled info). Same could be said for OOBE or Remote Viewing; the military and Russians in general take it pretty seriously. Indigenous tribes such as the Native American Indians have a long history of practising this (altho sometimes drug induced!). There's got to be something to it! :)

[Omni]

Bashar is perhaps the best channeler, but I still think he's a mind control program psy op(like all the other channelers).

[terragunn]

Interesting it has been reading the comments and statements on this thread. I am well familiar with numerous sources of channelled information and I will not go into any of that now, but I would like to point out that the questioner in the video referenced in the OP can be heard asking Bashar questions at numerous Bashar conferences on different dates, via audio/video recordings of such conferences made available. Is he part of the Bashar Communications production crew? Is he a Bashar devotee/groupie? I don’t know. I’m simply making an observation.

Regarding the ‘audio anomaly’ (a low volume levelled extraction of Anka’s Bashar-channelled audio re-positioned as ‘post-relayed’), my instinct, reasoning, and knowledge is that this is not an anomaly at all, but was created by someone using an audio-editing software programme. I could easily produce this same ‘audio anomaly’ using the Audacity software programme.

[Noir]

I have heard Basahr's videos for some time in 2012, 2013, and the begginning of 2014.
I was curious abOut him and his beliefs. And what he said seemed to be encouraging for people.... But Something felt very wrong and I couldn't pinpoint it.
Until I saw one video in wich he said following (not exact words because i dont remember them, but this is almost how he said it):
"Yes, there is a lot of suffering on your planet and yes, there's a lot of people dying from hunger, because of war etc.
BUT IT IS OK... BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO! THEY CHOSE TO INCARNATE THERE AND SUFFER TO LEARN THESE EXPERIENCES!
YOU SHOULDN´T WORRY ABOUT THEM! YOU SHOULD WORRY ABOUT jumping TO ANOTHER TIME LINE WERE THERE IS NO SUCH THINGS IF YOU DO NOT LIKE TO LIVE IN A PLANET WHERE THIS THINGS ARE HAPPENING!

So I finally understood.
Bashar wraps up his messages in lots of nice and pseudo encouraging words that make people feel good, but the real message in it is to ignore the bad things on this world that we should be changing, it is to Not think about others... He's allways trying to convince people that if they meditate enough,if they focus only in the things they like, and if they are selfcentered enough, they will "magically" start living in another timeline where evrybody is happy and bad things don't happen.
This Message Bashar spreads is not encouraging human beings. It is the oposite. Bashar's message is practically telling you that if bad things are happening on this planet it is because you are a bad person living in a bad reality and that instead of making this world better you should run away to another "timeline" and you'll only reach this by living in denyal and being egoisticall.
Maybe there is some people who believe they have achieved this in some degree or completely changen timeline. But to the date I have never encounter one person who can say that. Still people who believes in this stuff will attack you visciously if you question this beliefs.

Well, I have Bad news. Basing your life on denyial won't change your time-line or your reality. You're just giving your power away and blinding yourself. You are willingly becoming a controled/enslaved being.
All in all The message Bashar is spreading is exactly what the PSY OPS that created the new-age movement wants people to believe: "just focus on the light, think only about nice/good stuff and you'll save yourself" ...Meanwhile lots of stuff is going on, the pieces are being put in place for a new world gvernment, etc... and not one of this followers would dare to even look at this problem because, in their belief, even aknowledging that this things are happening in the world they live would mean they are "not spiritual advanced" or "negative people"....

I DO NOT CARE IF BASHAR IS REPEATING WHAT SOME DUDE TELLS HIM THROUGH A MIC OR IF HE IS REALLY CHANNELING SOME ENTITIE MASKING ITSELF AS A BENEVOLENT BEING HIS OVERALL MESSAGE IS DECEPTIVE AND DISENCOURAGING TO PEOPLE EITHER WAY.

PS.: REMEMBER WHEN STEWART SWERDLOW SAID ALL CHANNELINGS ARE PSY-OPS MADE BY MIL THROUGH SATELITE TRANSMISSION? IS SOMETHING WORTH CONSIDERING

[onawah]

I agree Noir. However, I had to hit "reply with quote" in order to see the quote from Bashar, which reads as follows (I corrected spelling errors):

"Yes, there is a lot of suffering on your planet and yes, there's a lot of people dying from hunger, because of war etc.
BUT IT IS OK... BECAUSE THEY CHOSE TO! THEY CHOSE TO INCARNATE THERE AND SUFFER TO LEARN THESE EXPERIENCES!
YOU SHOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THEM! YOU SHOULD WORRY ABOUT jumping TO ANOTHER TIME LINE WHERE THERE IS NO SUCH THING IF YOU DO NOT LIKE TO LIVE ON A PLANET WHERE THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

[CD7]

YES .....Thankyou Noir.!!.....I too felt something not right and could not pin point it...but you've done an awesome job of piecing a good part of it at least for me....I knew it was something along these lines of ---not being concerned with the here and now...what's happening to so many---But paramount that You yourself leave this frequency and concern yourself with altering only "yourself"

There is some Truth to this in that we do benefit from working our frequency from the inside out to benefit our surroundings...However there is so much more missing to it....our connections surrounding us have great impact...to me it's not only changing yourself but your surroundings as well to bring you and ALL your connections with you.....

I've watched a number of Bashar Vids and if I recall he would not deny helping your personal surroundings as well as yourself...or becoming someone who " transforms" things around you. It is just the FOCUS is more on the Self and I tend to think more in a collective way...so it rubs my brain the wrong way ..lol

[onawah]

When I finally reached my decision about Bashar, it was after hearing him tell the group basically that (my paraphrase) "we don't dwell on those kinds of scenarios" after someone had asked a question about chemtrails or vaccines or something similar, and then a quick change of subject.
Which was greeted by a big happy sigh of relief from the group and applause.
Denial may make for a more comfortable space to be in, but when push comes to shove as it inevitably does, it doesn't leave you much ground to stand on.

[DeDukshyn]

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So I finally understood.
Bashar wraps up his messages in lots of nice and pseudo encouraging words that make people feel good, but the real message in it is to ignore the bad things on this world that we should be changing ...

If you cherry pick and paraphrase something out of context, than you are totally understood for having that conclusion. However, that is paraphrased and out of context. Something I came to realize in my earlier researching into "how to improve the world", was that the only real change I have control over in this world is myself. Sure I can donate to red cross and see one cent of every of my donated dollars actually go to helping someone while 99 cents goes for "administrative" fees or whatever. Sure I can spend hours on Avalon talking about all the ways our government is failing humanity, or how the elite are destroying the planet. Useless -- completely useless compared to "effective action".

The world needs people with a shifted perspective. A perspective where every human is caring and compassionate, and sees all humanity as their brothers and sisters. We need people with a better relationship with the earth, people that have a connection and utmost respect for the only environment we have current access to, etc. Isn't that what we need? Are not these the things going to change the world? If we gave all the current people a new earth, distributed wealth evenly, and gave everyone equal power, it would not be long before we are all back to the same state of "rulers" and "followers" with massive wealth inequalities. Almost guaranteed.

Why? Because the "problem" actually resides in each one of us from a disease of the mind, that is why. While the first few sentences of the previous paragraph simply and clearly indicate what is needed, actually getting there en mass requires understanding the things that block this view. We blame the "elite". Is it reasonable that I blame the "Elite" for my own lack of living the world the way it should ultimately be? No. That is my personal responsibility and no one else's. No one's. Certainly not the "elite's" - they do not control my choice to live and follow their systems, they do not control my level of care I can express for my fellow humans and this planet, they can't control how much love I can express into my immediate surroundings, they cannot control my decision to, or not to live within the present moment. They can however, take my 99 cents of the dollar that I intended to "help" someone with. They can take advantage of any currency I choose to put into their systems; Even if I have $200 million to put into "changing the planet", they have ways of turning that business ineffective ... if they so desire ...

But they cannot control that which I can immediately express, and what I can or choose to immediately express is fully within my control; it will take my own personal changes because this "disease" exists in mine and everyone else's mind, however, since I can't control anyone else's mind - the only real place I can apply change to counter this disease is within my own mind. Am I? Yes I have, and am continuously trying to work in that specific area. The reason why I chose to do much of my work there is because I quickly identified, that, because I wasn't expressing, constantly in my daily actions, caring and compassion for everything and everyone around me -- through action, I wasn't seeing all of humanity (even those who are harmful for whatever reason), as my brothers and sisters, etc. It's really, really easy to blame others for not living up to a certain standard, even in the midst of expecting them to be "better then ourselves". Let us be 100% honest here ...

So ... the "problem" isn't really "their" problem; I mean, it could be, but what if my interpretation of "the problem" or their "action" had a potential to be caused by my incomplete view? My lack of info, or, an incomplete view, maybe that was taken out of context? Put up your hand if you have ever been wrong about a judgement any situation ... Or, let's say we put all humans into "residential schools" and with lots of drugs and mind control techniques we re-program them all to care ... wait .. that is about as evil as it gets and is the exact tactics we at Avalon fight against, so no, we won't be doing that either. So you see, to eliminate all the variables, and to eliminate having to carry out evil, draconian "mass control and mind reprogramming" measures, to change the mass's perspectives - the ones everyone lives by that perpetuates the issues and suffering we see around us, there is nothing left but to change ourselves, to change our own minds.

Sure you see the world as "the problem is 'out there'" and it's not "my problem", or "I care a lot" ... how many hungry children have you saved today? How many military missiles have you thwarted? For those who "protest" in rallies against the wars .. .how many civilians and children did you rally "save"? None. I am not saying we shouldn't do things ... we should do them. My point is what effectiveness have you had today? Were those resources well spent? Can those resources be better spent actually on things we CAN change? I can eliminate the variables that cause ineffectiveness within myself, and I can eliminate "controlling" others and forcing "their medicine" on them, because that is just plain wrong. I can change my view, my perspective, and my mind. That is what I know I can change. It's not easy for everyone, that is why everyone points fingers - it a part of the disease - the disease likes to spread and it spreads through judgements, criticisms and condemnation of others - we all carry it, and we all spread it.

So how do people learn? How can they be influenced to change? ... Do you have kids? If so then you should know darn well the problem. Kids do what you do and NOT what you tell them. They mimic parent's behaviours and "try them out for size". Since many of these behaviours are "self justifying", such as judgements of others ("I'm right, they're wrong, I'm better" <action reinforced>), many people never think deep enough to even get to see the actual "disease" and the problems it causes, therefore, the problem is culturally encoded from generation to generation. We can see this "cultural encoding" particularly strong in the conflicting middle east factions. So again, how to change the problem if it is culturally encoded and passed from generation to generations?

By example. It is the only effective way. By living MY life to the highest example, by living daily through immediate expression of love and care - that is how I "train" my children to love and care. When other people around me see me being loving, caring, and happy with my life, they will think "I like whatever it is he's got ... I want some of that". Yet if I tried to "force" those qualities on them in any other way I would get nothing more than a "**** you! You don't control me, a**hole!" - because people always resist forced change.

So, even though the quote was butchered and taken out of a much larger context, I can see that what Bashar is trying to indicate to people, is exact the same conclusions I have come to in researching the topic of how to change the world. You need to change yourself, take care of yourself so that you may be the ultimate example to others and to inspire them to change with your actions. And if one viewed many of Bashar's video's, one would see how much emphasis he puts on having that overall perspective shifted, so that one can ultimately act out effectively toward creating a better "self" - which will ultimately lead to a better future for all.

Jesus said something (whether that has value to you or not) which interestingly in line with what Bashar says an aweful lot, and is indicated in the butchered quote (paraphrased): "How can you see well enough to remove the speck from your brothers eye while a plank blocks your own?"


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I wish people had strength enough in their own mind and character, to take the parts they feel applies to them and discard the rest. This having to ask others to "qualify" a source for them so they "know whether they should believe it or not" is a quality of "sheep". We mock the "sheep" for having this quality, yet have it abounds ourselves. A strong mind takes every piece and discerns value from it, or it does not, but it attempts to. Then it moves on.

Believe nothing; Consider everything








“Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people.” -- Henry Thomas Buckle

[DeDukshyn]

When I finally reached my decision about Bashar, it was after hearing him tell the group basically that (my paraphrase) "we don't dwell on those kinds of scenarios" after someone had asked a question about chemtrails or vaccines or something similar, and then a quick change of subject.

Misquote? misunderstanding perhaps? He goes on for over four minutes talking about chemtrails ... and did not dismiss the topic ...

Here is the full clip, found after clicking the first link in the web search - seems like the one you refer to ... he is not really saying what you have paraphrased, but I'll just post and each can "judge" as they see fit ... :)

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[terragunn]

Whether or not any of us chose to incarnate in this life sentence, let alone many, many others, again and again and again, is a dubious statement in itself, and one that bears no evidence whatsoever, but these statements many channelled astral hive mind entities make about so and so agreed to be murdered, raped, born with a lifelong debilitating disease, born into a family with abusive parents, etc., etc., so they could learn from the experience for spiritual growth, does not resonate with me at all. Oh, but wait…the higher self wanted to experience such. What, vicariously through us – the ground troop? Is the higher self a sadomasochist?

Channelled entities will say we are our higher selves – extensions thereof. Well, it feels to me that this higher self is more of a voyeuristic astral parasite external of us than within us – assigned to us when we enter the computation Matrix and its finite levels of density. Spirit is what I am, and spirit flows through this hard light, low-density ‘flesh suit’, animating it and giving it life and consciousness.

If the higher self is what these channelled astral entities state it is (and very few of these channelled entities will agree with each other on numerous topics and points) then what is the purpose of the amnesia we are given in the astral holding planes prior being thrown back into the material plane of the Game? The higher self already knows, and if we are extensions (fractals) of our higher self, then what is really going on here? Once again, this situation reeks of astral parasitism.

We are the source that powers the computation Matrix, and without us, it is end Game for the Astrals and the demiurge(s). They know this and will try every trick to keep us in the Game (including appealing to us), keep us incarnating, searching for ‘god’, searching for ‘truth’, doing our utmost to achieve ascension to the next level of the Game, etc.

I used to enjoy listening to Bashar (Anka), Abraham (Hicks), and Seth (Roberts), as well as TReb bor Yit-NE (Gauthier) – the latter (Gauthier) whom I became pretty good friends with. I listened to their information, considered the information, acknowledged the information. I gleamed much from such information. And for this I say thank you to these astral hive mind entities and their human hosts for helping me to help myself. They all played their roles/functions well.

[DeDukshyn]

... so agreed to be murdered, raped, born with a lifelong debilitating disease, born into a family with abusive parents, etc., etc., so they could learn from the experience for spiritual growth, does not resonate with me at all. Oh, but wait…the higher self wanted to experience such. What, vicariously through us – the ground troop? Is the higher self a sadomasochist?
...

Are you speaking from experience, or is that just a collection of your own perceptions and judgements?






"you are not the FORM you animate, but the FORCE of animation itself"
At the end of the day ... I'll take these people's say who live this reality over yours any day .. these people are doing exactly what I say needs to be done in my previous post. They quit "talking" and started "acting" in the way that will change the world. No arms, no legs ... x2 ... mother was a victim of child rape / prostitution (mother of the daughter was the pimp) ... more spitirtuality than 99% of people on this forum and have done far more good than 99% of people on this forum. This isn't BS. Life is what you choose it to be. period.

Sure there are people who can't accept their lives enough to improve their perspective and outlook. As Bashar says, let us be sure to accept ours. These people did just that ... these people are heros. These people are heros through adversity. Why would you give them no credit? Why would these people's experiences not "resonate" with you? Is your "resonator" broke? This is real ... :)

Nick Vujicic. Suicidal as a child, no arms no legs, no life ... inspired far more people than this forum ever has. Suffered incredibly as a child, happy as hell now - changing people by example.

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Zuly Sanguino. No arms no legs. A victim of child rape and other abuse (imagine that with no arms and legs?), suffered incredibly as a child. Over come adversity to become a great painter - changing people by example.

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Nahko Bear. Mother was a forced child prostitute, real father was "drunken Indian" that regularly raped his mom, but at least his grandma was getting paid. Used his adversity and converted it to strength to realize his talents. Listen to these lyrics very carefully. Nahko is changing people by sharing his love and acceptance and forgiveness of his past and experiences. This man is a real true spiritual warrior. Being effective.

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Another from Nahko ... a little spiritual ... fully brilliant.

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The people in the above videos only became effective because they did a whole ton of inward "self" work first. They did it for themselves not for others, and it was this self work that led them to being "effective people." Without that "self" work, it would never have happened. Take a lesson from them.

So can it be possible the "Higher self" is more concerned about potential effectiveness than eliminating freedom of choice? Can it eliminate the freedom of choice of "others"? It cannot. You can't take one human's freedom of choice from that level without taking it from them all ... and without freedom of choice, what is the point of life? Don't you se the conundrum that requires the path to be self oriented? It's a requirement. Not subject for judgements and rationales. Note ... if my previous long post wasn't read, this won't be able to be grasped as intended.

[onawah]

That was definitely not the clip I was referring to, where Bashar was very dismissive and didn't discuss the issue at all.
But in a way, that one was even worse, imho, because I think it's disinformation and the elite aren't using chemtrails to protect us but to poison us.
I agree with the theory that this has been a prison planet for some time, and our free will has been very much interfered with, and disagree with the idea that we can't do anything to help others, only ourselves.
And I can't see there's any reason at all why we can't be compassionate and do both; any truly spiritual person that I am aware of makes a point of doing both.
I think I have also benefited from listening to certain channeled information because it does seem they all have a hidden agenda and have to mix in some truth with the spin or no one with any intelligence would pay attention.
It's certainly been an exercise in discernment.
But I don't think I've found one channeled source yet that hasn't been a mixture of both.

[terragunn]

Channelled entity/information = Egregore

[Pigtail Gurl]

Darryl is 100% a lying fraud. An actor. A conman. Fleecing money as he goes. He often answers difficult questions in a way that makes no sense whatsoever. He relies on New Age gullibility and forgiveness to continue fleecing. He even admitted to a friend of mine that he is a conman and actor. I just made a video on how to spot his bull**** here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8n7jfiWLvI&ab_channel=ThePursuitofHappiness