"TPTB, TPTW, etc"

[Humble Janitor]

Why are we giving these people power?

Since when were they ever in power?

They're not the powers that be nor are they the powers that were.

They've never had much, if any power.

Just a thought.

[jcocks]

Funny you posted that, I've just been spending some time thinking about the so-called PTB...
Thinking of when they got their power etc...

And I honestly believe it comes from a time in antiquity - maybe even before Atlantis. At some stage we started giving our power away - over ourselves, oour way of living, or religious beliefs, etc...
And ever since they've been building more and more controls in to ensure we *NEVER* regain that power. Of course it won't work. Of course we will, sometime soon, regain our power... But it's going to take a major event to give it back to us, we're going to need help. Heck, most people don't even realise the amount of power we DON'T have over ourselves!

Somewhere, there must be records of when this started to occur...when we began to move down the path that has taken us to where we are today... It would be interesting to read those records.

[Ahkenaten]

The pyramid is the symbol of the social hierarchy in which the capstone (with the all-seeing eye) represents the tiny percentage who rule over the rest....................it appears that the pyramidical social construct has been with us for thousands of years if not longer, dating to a time when the 'gods' (who knows who or what they really were) came down and ruled. The way the rule is established is by creation of and enforcement of a mental prison so carefully designed that it is not known to exist by most. We are not to know who or what we are and that is the most deeply guarded secret: we are energetic beings of light. But if we do not know this, if we stay within our golden cage, we and our descendants are slaves. That is why I say to you "WAKE UP!" The bible records the enslavement in Genesis, where the first humans are ejected from the garden of Eden by the godS (note that the bible says godS, plural!) for the sin (Sin by the way, is the Moon god) of eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge, thereby threatening the gods with the potential of humans becoming as gods..........................humans were thereby condemned to live by the sweat of their brow, bearing children in pain. That is one story of the beginning of human enslavement by the 'gods' - then by humans who themselves claimed to be blood-relatives annointed by the gods to rule.

As long as humans believe they are beasts of burden and should be ashamed of themselves due to some forgotten original sin, humans will be the slaves and vassals of the CHOSEN FEW.

WAKE UP PEOPLE. YOU ARE NOT DEGRADED. YOU NEED NOT BE ASHAMED. WAKE UP TO WHO YOU REALLY ARE!

[Bill Ryan]

I honestly believe it comes from a time in antiquity - maybe even before Atlantis.

I've been told by a contact, who I have total confidence is authentic, that the present 'regime' (for lack of a better word) have been running the planet for the last 17,000 years.

[norman]

I've been told by a contact, who I have total confidence is authentic, that the present 'regime' (for lack of a better word) have been running the planet for the last 17,000 years.

If that is true, and I don't really doubt it, my obvious first question is, Why have they just recently decided to go 'hi-tech'?

[Bill Ryan]

If that is true, and I don't really doubt it, my obvious first question is, Why have they just recently decided to go 'hi-tech'?

Good question. I asked that, as well.

The answer is that this is the first couple of generations in all of human history in which the controllers have got their hands on ET technology. This was never planned, and has very considerably changed the parameters in the game.

[norman]

Good question. I asked that, as well.

The answer is that this is the first couple of generations in all of human history in which the controllers have got their hands on ET technology. This was never planned, and has very considerably changed the parameters in the game.

mmhh.............apart from the possibilities that the ET tech' creates outwards and upwards, the stark 'elephant on the livingroom' for most of us is that they no longer need massive quantities of slaves and soldiers. Presumably that's a 'first' too.

[Hughe]

I've been told by a contact, who I have total confidence is authentic, that the present 'regime' (for lack of a better word) have been running the planet for the last 17,000 years.

Aren't they the Annunaki bloodlines?



Good question. I asked that, as well.

The answer is that this is the first couple of generations in all of human history in which the controllers have got their hands on ET technology. This was never planned, and has very considerably changed the parameters in the game.

Yeap. They have the confidence and power to face to face against their masters. It's interesting how the game is being unfold.
How many factions on Earth now? There are at least two or three for certain. And, new contenders keep coming in.

[Bill Ryan]

mmhh.............apart from the possibilities that the ET tech' creates outwards and upwards, the stark 'elephant on the livingroom' for most of us is that they no longer need massive quantities of slaves and soldiers. Presumably that's a 'first' too.

Exactly - this is the problem we face. They are planning to 'downsize' the human race.

Most humans on the planet are now surplus to requirements, and as long as the critical DNA survives within the various several hundred significant bloodlines this is all that's considered essential.

This post is important to understand.

[Celine]

i submit to who i truly am

i rise from my knees to be who i am

Together we awake...Together we rise...Together we change.




All Humans .. are beautiful



An important fact ignored by the controllers...

All Terrans are special. All Terrans are connected to that DNA (one way or another)

We are the reasons the controllers are here.

Why does a Master control a slave? Need? Desire? Love?

How does a Master control a slave? Need? Desire? Love?


A Master knows the value of a slave...

Fear, Violence, Intimidation... are not valued tools of a true Master.

The controlers that use these tools are vunerable because of this.

[DawgBone]

Why are we giving these people power?

Our tendency to give away OUR power is probably instinctual. The Great Apes, including ourselves, create social hierarchies with an alpha male and a structured society.

It may have been evolutionally adaptive at one time, but now it is absurd.

Ha! Remember George Bush's resemblance to a chimpanzee?

[Taurean]

Thought I'd pass this on from ECETI News


Earth 101, From the Eyes of the Wisdom Keepers

We have watched this civilization for quite some time. We know your history, the real history and see patterns; which continue without evolving. Patterns; which are detrimental to evolution. We have watched you kill your prophets and messengers. We have watched you subject them to all kinds of hardship, mental, emotional and physical. We have watched you suppress your children turning them into mindless robots. We have watched you destroy simple people, families, women and children for the sake of profit. Their only sin was to live on top of land and resources your leaders desired. We watched as your leaders and religions demonized others, created divisions, separations then profited greatly in wars they instigated forgetting that the Creator is Omnipresent in all Creation. We have watched you destroy the very platform for life with total disregard for mother Earth who gave you this physical expression. We have watched you turn a blind eye to unjust actions against your fellow man/woman and in some cases be a willing participant as a puppet of the beast. We are done watching. We are done sending our prophets and messengers. We are now sending our warriors. They are the rainbow warriors, heralds of truth and courage. The power of God, Creator, Spirit flows through them. They are protected by unseen forces. They are backed by a greater force which is unstoppable. We will now watch as Karma, action/reaction and the past come to the surface for all to see. Such are the days of the Apocalypse; which in truth means the great uncovering. No rock shall be left un turned, no harmful act against man/woman and nature will go unpunished. It is not the hand of God but ones own hand and choices that create these events.

We will watch, protect, and guide those who wish to live in harmony with each other and the Earth. The Earth will support these people just as she will cleanse herself of those who choose to act in disharmony with humanity and the Earth. Such are the days to come. Take heed it is upon you. Deny all you wish the changes are coming. The lines are being drawn and it would behoove everyone to take a long hard look at where you stand in this process. Who are you serving in this process? Are your choices and actions in alignment with the awakening and healing of humanity and the Earth. How dependent are you upon the Beast. When the Beast falls will you be underneath it. This civilization you have created is not very civilized. It is barbaric concerning how it treats its people and its environment. It is not sustainable, karmicly irresponsible, enslaving, and has little to do with the laws of Creation. There will be a parting of the ways. Which way will you be going?
Osiyo
Golden Wolf

[Celine]

May i ask for a link to where you got this info pls?

[Taurean]

Should be in the News section of this site;-

http://www.eceti.org

[conk]

We are too complacent. Many are lazy and apathetic. Happy with a sandwich, a TV, and a structure to keep out the cold. Many are the opposite, but have bought entirely the religion and separatist paradigm, making it easy for the 'divide and conquer' entities to prevail. Einstein said that 95% of the people sit around and wait for the other 5% to tell them what to do. With those kinds of odds we're an easy target.

[Celine]

"easy target"

i agree...and dissagree.

As more people awaken to their reality.. the PTB's find it harder to achieve their mandate.

This is why their attempts are getting more "gutsy" IMO

[Banshee]

Exactly - this is the problem we face. They are planning to 'downsize' the human race.

Most humans on the planet are now surplus to requirements, and as long as the critical DNA survives within the various several hundred significant bloodlines this is all that's considered essential.

This post is important to understand.

Does your source know which significant bloodlines , how many persons and what markers they are looking for?

[Peace of Mind]

Thought I'd pass this on from ECETI News


Earth 101, From the Eyes of the Wisdom Keepers

We have watched this civilization for quite some time. We know your history, the real history and see patterns; which continue without evolving. Patterns; which are detrimental to evolution. We have watched you kill your prophets and messengers. We have watched you subject them to all kinds of hardship, mental, emotional and physical. We have watched you suppress your children turning them into mindless robots. We have watched you destroy simple people, families, women and children for the sake of profit. Their only sin was to live on top of land and resources your leaders desired. We watched as your leaders and religions demonized others, created divisions, separations then profited greatly in wars they instigated forgetting that the Creator is Omnipresent in all Creation. We have watched you destroy the very platform for life with total disregard for mother Earth who gave you this physical expression. We have watched you turn a blind eye to unjust actions against your fellow man/woman and in some cases be a willing participant as a puppet of the beast. We are done watching. We are done sending our prophets and messengers. We are now sending our warriors. They are the rainbow warriors, heralds of truth and courage. The power of God, Creator, Spirit flows through them. They are protected by unseen forces. They are backed by a greater force which is unstoppable. We will now watch as Karma, action/reaction and the past come to the surface for all to see. Such are the days of the Apocalypse; which in truth means the great uncovering. No rock shall be left un turned, no harmful act against man/woman and nature will go unpunished. It is not the hand of God but ones own hand and choices that create these events.

We will watch, protect, and guide those who wish to live in harmony with each other and the Earth. The Earth will support these people just as she will cleanse herself of those who choose to act in disharmony with humanity and the Earth. Such are the days to come. Take heed it is upon you. Deny all you wish the changes are coming. The lines are being drawn and it would behoove everyone to take a long hard look at where you stand in this process. Who are you serving in this process? Are your choices and actions in alignment with the awakening and healing of humanity and the Earth. How dependent are you upon the Beast. When the Beast falls will you be underneath it. This civilization you have created is not very civilized. It is barbaric concerning how it treats its people and its environment. It is not sustainable, karmicly irresponsible, enslaving, and has little to do with the laws of Creation. There will be a parting of the ways. Which way will you be going?
Osiyo
Golden Wolf

For some odd reason this sent a chill up my spine, it feels like someone very close to me…close like a father wrote this. Though I rarely pay much attention to this kind of unproven material, I can’t help but to feel a common energy and attitude in this heartfelt diatribe. So, if nothing else, this was a bit inspirational...at least for me.

I honestly feel many people here and elsewhere around the world have what it takes to make that impact the world so desperately needs. I also feel our hindrance comes from too much focus on the fear of bodily harm. There’s too much worrying and waiting for a savoir to come. For ages the courage of humanity has been worn down by deceit and tricknology.

I just hope it doesn’t take something drastic to happen to the individual before he/she decides “enough is enough”. IMO, living in regret is worse than living in fear. I recognize the two are just choices; I’m just amazed that the majority of us have no problem in choosing one or the other…

Peace

[Ahkenaten]

mmhh.............apart from the possibilities that the ET tech' creates outwards and upwards, the stark 'elephant on the livingroom' for most of us is that they no longer need massive quantities of slaves and soldiers. Presumably that's a 'first' too.

yes and that is why the masses are no longer needed. There may be a massive resource/population management program afoot.............with the goal of reducing the population to "manageable" proportions from the perspective of the less-than-1%..................thereby fully restoring their beloved pyramid in all its horrific glory - for the "good" of the species of course. This also us where the venerated, ancient and barely disguised tradition of blood sacrifice comes in (in modern times done through war) because of course, as it says in the old testament of the Bible, certain 'gods' or energetic forces if you will, hover over the blood-letting, absorbing the 'savor' and odor of the burning flesh. This is what we are up against - beings who from the most ancient times have ruled. The only way that have been able to succeed is through the massive acquiescence of the human animal to the not so subtle mental, psychological, spiritual, social, and physical control systems that WE think of as social morays, education, laws, and most profoundly - our view of what we ourselves are mentally, physically, psychologically, and energetically. Again I say to you WAKE UP PEOPLE.

[Ahkenaten]

Our tendency to give away OUR power is probably instinctual. The Great Apes, including ourselves, create social hierarchies with an alpha male and a structured society.

It may have been evolutionally adaptive at one time, but now it is absurd.

Ha! Remember George Bush's resemblance to a chimpanzee?

Yes the only problem with some of these exhalted bloodlines is that they are so inbred that current exemplars' features are literally migrating over to one side of their bodies like flounders and their knuckles are literally leathery from all the clambering around on all fours. Exhalted bloodlines indeed.

[norman]

Why are we giving these people power?

Since when were they ever in power?

They're not the powers that be nor are they the powers that were.

They've never had much, if any power.

Just a thought.



"There is a new and unique development in human history that is taking place around the world; it is unprecedented in reach and volume, and it is also the greatest threat to all global power structures: the ‘global political awakening'." -Zbigniew Brzezinski ( 3 months ago )

[Ahkenaten]

Yes and TPTB certainly have their ways of monitoring all communications in order to develop the metrics Brzezenski & friends undoubtedly used to arrive at the conclusion that there is, in fact, a "global political awakening." It is no coincidence therefor that as the waveform of awakening increases, there is an inversely proportional effort by TPTB to suppress this awakening at all levels. And this, my friends, is what see see playing out all around us, the battle between light and darkness, good and evil, truth and the LIE. God willing, light, good and truth will prevail.

[RedeZra]

Cash is King and Credit is Queen

He who's in charge n control of the money system is the Man


follow the money all the way til the source

and you will eventually stumble upon an Ashkenazi Bankster Jew


fine... but wait a min

a governing minority with another ideology than the massive majority

that sounds like struggle to me



James Paul Warburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Warburg)

"We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest." (Feb. 17, 1950, to the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations)


the above statement is from the son of Paul Moritz Warburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Warburg) (August 10, 1868 – January 24, 1932)

who got the Bank - Federal Reserve System - back in business in the US in 1913

Paul Moritz Warburg was also director of the Council on Foreign Relations at its founding in 1921

[Humble Janitor]

Thank you for your thoughts.

I think Bill summed it up best. 17,000 years is a hell of a long time.

And I see that 'ol Zee-Bee finds us a threat.

Am I crazy or do we really have the power to take down these animals?

Fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee?

;)

[Celine]

You're not crazy

[Ahkenaten]

Some say, RedeZra, that these economic systems and practices originated in Babylon and were then taken up and replicated by others. It might be more productive and less conducive to pointless dissension to focus on the system itself and deemphasize the personalities, religious or other creeds of those who have promulgated the systems. The Dutch christians, as just one example, were exemplar international banksters and one could hardly call them zionists let alone jews. To get somewhere discussing this kind of subject matter, it is well I think to expunge the other material and stick to an analysis of the systems themselves and what is wrong with them. The carriers, to use a disease metaphor, are a secondary consideration. The bacterium or concepts are where the contagion and problems arise, and being very opportunistic, they will attach themselves to any host that accepts them.

[RedeZra]

It might be more productive and less conducive to pointless dissension to focus on the system itself and deemphasize the personalities, religious or other creeds of those who have promulgated the systems.

on the contrary Ahkenaten


a system is a product of the ideology behind it

so if we are to focus on the system only then we are just scratching the symptoms


fact is

the Western world is governed by a Jewish minority with a certain ideology

if you cannot even see that

then you're stuck in a bubble


I don't know why

but most of you are in denial about who actually run this show n call the shots

perhaps you've just bought the propaganda

cause these guys own the Media


but you know that... don't you ?

[Ahkenaten]

Rezedra - while you are correct about the pure statistics concerning the constituency of power - there is no other ideology in this particular case but a particular kind of banking. This particular kind of banking based on a view that money is a medium that may be manipulated in certain ways especially to the advantage of certain groups is not exclusive to any religious or ethnic group. It has survived and prospered because it WORKS well for the people employing it, with human greed and acquisitiveness being the levers the bacterium uses to gain access to the carriers. When certain groups demonstrated that it worked, others mimicked it, seeking to obtain for themselves similar riches and powers. Granted it is an interesting fact that of the US population, a relatively tiny proportion are Jewish and it seems as though this group wields disproportionate power but there many be other reasons for this than a plot - it may be attributable to cultural factors such as emphasis on helping family members and friends, and emphasis on education and attaining a professional career - goals that are not in themselves evil or ideological. It is well to remember that of the tiny proportion of the US population that are Jewish, a small portion are self-identified as Zionists. Not all Jews are Zionists, whatever exception some may take to the ideology of Zionists or the policies of the State of Israel. The danger is in conflating negatives associated with Zionism or the policies of the State of Israel to all Jews. That is not acceptable intellectually or morally.

Getting back to the banking system which I too believe is at the root of the many problems besetting us today. In order to proceed to solving these problems it is critically important that the subject of ethnicity and religion be decapitated from the discussion. Why? Because otherwise the discussion is sure to devolve into accusations of anti-semitism and bigotry or the one hand, and being an apologist for zionism on the other. That formula is helpful to TPTB because it guarantees a stalemate and preservation of the status quo - and worse almost guarantees a repeat of the terrible pograms that have occurred throughout history when an entire people is scapegoated for the evil deeds of a very few, some of whom are not even of their tribe.

I ask you ReZedra to desist in your particular approach and go back to square one and research exactly how it is that the present banking system developed and how it works or doesn't work. Only by completely understanding this system can we hope to envision and create something better and new that MUST take its place, and soon.

[RedeZra]

Rezedra - while you are correct about the pure statistics concerning the constituency of power - there is no other ideology in this particular case but a particular kind of banking.

of course there is more to Jewish ideology than banking n money making


fact is modern Jewry still believe they are the 'chosen people' of the world

and that all the rest are goyim n gentiles


there is much more to it than that

but this elitist mindset right there

that they are 'special' n 'chosen'

is questionable at best

considering the power they wield

as boss bankers media moguls n corporate czars

[Celine]

Guarentee you there are more asian corporate czars then jewish...

Being a controller has less to do with religion ... and more to do with DNA

[RedeZra]

Guarentee you there are more asian corporate czars then jewish...

Being a controller has less to do with religion ... and more to do with DNA

ya well I like to look at the facts... n take it from there ; )

[Celine]

what a nice way of saying my post is **** ...thx how sweet of you.

[RedeZra]

I wouldn't call it ***** Celine

imaginative n fantastic perhaps but not ***** lol

[Celine]

Imaginative?

Well i guess i just make things up as i go along then.. ;)

but

Seems to me that with a population of 1 billion + (just in china) if we take the ENTIRE asian race and put it together..there should be more bankers ..and CEO's etc..

Well i thought my point was valid..even if you did not.

[Celine]

Exactly - this is the problem we face. They are planning to 'downsize' the human race.

Most humans on the planet are now surplus to requirements, and as long as the critical DNA survives within the various several hundred significant bloodlines this is all that's considered essential.

This post is important to understand.

Just thought i'd quote bill on this..

[RedeZra]

see the connection between 'chosen' n critical DNA ; )

[Celine]

glad i could help prove your point.....


mind you i tend not to view ppl on gender/race/religion lines....


perhaps thats why i find this conversation is leaving a bad taste in my mouth..

[RedeZra]

mind you i tend not to view ppl on gender/race/religion lines....


me neither

I only look to mindset n believes

mind you mindsets are not holy nor taboo to me

---

here is an interesting tidbit of information...

it is a fact that deficiency of factor XI causes the rare Haemophilia C which mainly occurs in Ashkenazi Jews and is believed to affect approximately 8% of that population of both sexes


Thomas of Cantimpré writes in around 1260 in his book 'Bonum Universale de Apibus'


"A very learned Jew, who in our day has been converted to the [Christian] faith, informs us that one enjoying the reputation of a prophet among them, toward the close of his life, made the following prediction:

'Be assured that relief from this secret ailment [Haemophilia] , to which you are exposed, can only be obtained through Christian blood ["solo sanguine Christiano"].'

Thomas adds that the Jews had misunderstood the words of their prophet, who by his expression "solo sanguine Christiano" had meant not the blood of any Christian, but that of Jesus—the only true remedy for all physical and spiritual suffering.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1173&letter=B

[Ahkenaten]

Yeah ReZedra and there are plenty of other groups of people around the world who are convinced that they are special and chosen, for example certain Christian groups who feel they have been personally anointed by Christ. I have heard that the Chinese are pretty ethnocentric being as the Europeans were still banging each other on the heads with clubs in caves when their civilization was fully developed and flourishing! Same with the Koreans. I could go on and on. Granted, this particular group (I call them Zionists but that may not be an accurate term) should be of some interest to Americans because it appears they have somehow contrived to drive US foreign policy in a manner that is NOT in the interests of the American people however it just so happens that this is NOT in the interests of the Jewish people either. Because someone is a Jewish movie mogul or influential investment banker, real estate aficionado or financier DOES NOT mean that they are an ardent Zionist or that they are involved in a conspiracy with others like them against the rest of the population. That is not a reasonable assertion. The economic and banking issues we face are not problematic because they are driven by Jewish bankers or even Zionists - they are problematic because they have commandeered the entire playing field and that includes players of all stripes, Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, Presbyterian, and probably some Muslims, Buddhists, Hundus, Zorastrians, etc.

Anyway, the goal should be, as I said, to fully grasp and understand the banking/economic system and then devise its logical and efficient replacement, NOT to devise ways to attack Jews or even Zionists because a number of Jews occupy positions of influence in the society. We should focus on taking care of business here at home and correcting problems as they occur.

How, I ask you, would you propose to reform the current systems by addressing them from the religious/ideological point of view here in the US let alone outside the country? Would you propose making national policy based on a platform designed to address religious, ideological or cultural attributes of other peoples? Haven't we been there and done that (Cold War policies towards the Soviet Union and 'communism' in general) and where did it get us? It is a philosophy and mindset of unbridled greed and materialism we are confronted with here - and Celine may well be right that it is in the DNA or bloodlines coming down from ancient times and rulers who used these same methods to dominate. The Jews came along relatively recently as a group in history - there were those who were adepts in the sciences of control prior to them - such as the Egyptians, Phoenicians and the Babylonians, and probably their ancestors who came before. All this has nothing whatsoever to do with being Jewish either culturally, religiously, or genetically.

[RedeZra]

"We shall have world government, whether or not we like it. The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest."

(James Paul Warburg on Feb. 17, 1950, to the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations)

Nuff Said!!

[Ahkenaten]

The question is, was Paul Warburg speaking as a bankster when he said "we" or was he speaking as a Jew, and what did he mean by "we"? Do you know? I do know and he was speaking as a bankster. The banking industry is not exclusively controlled by Jews though there are Jews enough in the biz there are others, too. And that is where your theories break down but you simply do not want to hear any of that. The values that bind the money manipulators are not religious, cultural, or ideological - they are materialistic values expressed in the specific form of fractional interest-bearing banking that predates the existence of the Jewish people.

It appears that you have a fixed belief system and are simply not open to looking any deeper into this so I see no point in continuing to talk to you about the subject. I want to talk about the economic/banking system - you want to talk about religion and Jewish 'ideology' which does not exist.

FINIS

[RedeZra]

The question is, was Paul Warburg speaking as a bankster when he said "we" or was he speaking as a Jew, and what did he mean by "we"?

no no that is not the right question to ask


Paul Moritz Warburg (August 10, 1868 – January 24, 1932) did not only get the Central Bank back in the US in 1913. He also became a director of the Council on Foreign Relations at its founding in 1921

seriously you can't miss the close connection between banking n politics right there


since both the FED n the CFR are private independent Jewish inventions it ought to go without saying that these institutions are in close affinity with Jewish ideology

[jcocks]

What about we stop talking about TPTW and start talking about TPTWB (The Powers That Will Be)...... US!

The questions we need to answer now is :

How are we going to retake control?
What sort of structure do we want to replace the current structure with?
etc..
(Please add more questions here :) )

And info to help us in our task of becoming who we want to be (Bill & Kerry this is where you come in)...

I think this coming year is *VERY* important. 2012 may be the year a lot of the changes come in, but 2011 will set the tone for how 2012 unfolds.....And it all depends on US - mankind !!!

[Taurean]

Just hope the internet stays intact, otherwise we're going to be out there living by our wits. (intuition)

[jcocks]

Just hope the internet stays intact, otherwise we're going to be out there living by our wits. (intuition)

Not neccessarily a bad thing.... We have to learn to trust our intuition more anyway.

[Bill Ryan]

Being a controller has less to do with religion ... and more to do with DNA

As far as I understand it, this is completely accurate.

It's all about bloodlines.

[norman]

As far as I understand it, this is completely accurate.

It's all about bloodlines.

And that should also be a warning to people who encounter the "secret service" and think they are being invited to serve their country etc. If your bloodline isn't high enough up the hierachy you will almost certainly get burned like an 'Oswald' rather than a folk hero like 'Bond'.

[Banshee]

I think it would be foolhardy for anyone to focus on dogmatic ideology in this age of site closure and censorship. The Anti Defamation League is a very powerful lobby. It would be a shame to see this site be overly-scrutinized. When I read the threads and posts on this site I am convinced that there are some brilliant people here who just might hold the "key" to unlocking some age old mysteries ( that is if they will work together). Just my 2 cents worth.

[Celine]

What about we stop talking about TPTW and start talking about TPTWB (The Powers That Will Be)...... US!

The questions we need to answer now is :

How are we going to retake control?
What sort of structure do we want to replace the current structure with?
etc..
(Please add more questions here :) )

And info to help us in our task of becoming who we want to be (Bill & Kerry this is where you come in)...

I think this coming year is *VERY* important. 2012 may be the year a lot of the changes come in, but 2011 will set the tone for how 2012 unfolds.....And it all depends on US - mankind !!!

TPTWB!!! i love it!

1 billion strong..netcitizens.

Largest group of people ever in known history...

We are not affraid, we are strong, we are knowledgeable..

Look to your neighbor, co-worker..they are netcitizens as well...I have no concerns about the human spirit , if the net goes down.

[DawgBone]

Ideology in general is a crock of horse manure. This includes political and especially religious ideology.

People, as individuals, are rarely evil, but fill them with ideology, fill them with the dogmas of some group, and they are capable of virtually anything. "Group think" may be our species greatest weakness.

So, while I don't approve of Zionism, I also don't approve of Americanism, or Capitalism, or Conservatism, or any other conceptual model that obscures our genuine understanding of the world and our fellow man. Ideologues of all persuasions wind up killing people and destroying Gaia.

This is where I have sympathy with the "idea" of ascension. If significant numbers of people can reconnect with Source, we will have no need for group think, doctrine and dogma. We will see, on our own, the world as it truly is.

There is a Mayan saying: "I am another yourself."

Once large numbers of people understand this, our world will change.

[Celine]

As far as I understand it, this is completely accurate.

It's all about bloodlines.

Thank you Bill..

What about us..should we put importance in bloodlines? Would that serve the the goal of altering this timeline?

Redezera kinda proved that bloodlines are important to some...

i do not feel that one blood line is more valuable then another....or more responsible then another.

[Zook]

Yeah ReZedra and there are plenty of other groups of people around the world who are convinced that they are special and chosen, for example certain Christian groups who feel they have been personally anointed by Christ. I have heard that the Chinese are pretty ethnocentric being as the Europeans were still banging each other on the heads with clubs in caves when their civilization was fully developed and flourishing! Same with the Koreans. I could go on and on. Granted, this particular group (I call them Zionists but that may not be an accurate term) should be of some interest to Americans because it appears they have somehow contrived to drive US foreign policy in a manner that is NOT in the interests of the American people however it just so happens that this is NOT in the interests of the Jewish people either. Because someone is a Jewish movie mogul or influential investment banker, real estate aficionado or financier DOES NOT mean that they are an ardent Zionist or that they are involved in a conspiracy with others like them against the rest of the population. That is not a reasonable assertion. The economic and banking issues we face are not problematic because they are driven by Jewish bankers or even Zionists - they are problematic because they have commandeered the entire playing field and that includes players of all stripes, Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, Presbyterian, and probably some Muslims, Buddhists, Hundus, Zorastrians, etc.
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Well stated. I would just add that Zionism is a coalition umbrella hovering over monied interests derived from the Rothschild banking brand. Zionism is not a religious or ethnic movement (contrary to the barks of its peddlers); rather, it's a central banking movement.

Having said that, Ahks, I disagree with your conclusion in that I believe movie moguls, industrial chairmen, sports team owners, etc. are necessarily Zionist (tho' not necessarily Jewish). And you already know that most politicians (of legislative, executive, and presidential branches) ... are Zionist. If you believe that the central bankster class will allow anyone to prosper in their rigged game of casino monopoly who is not a Zionist (official or symapethtic to the cause) ... then there are still chunks of the Brooklyn Bridge that are waiting to be owned. Mind you, the bulk of Zionists claim themselves to be Jews; but these are not thse same as those Jews that practice Judaism as it was meant to be practiced. The spiritual Jew still represents the vast majority of Jews. The monetary materialistic Rothschildian Jew represents a dwindling but evil minority. Where do Ashkenazi Jews fall in all this? IMHO, most Ashkenazi Jews are spiritual Jews. Its the few prominent ones that leave the bloodstain on the white sheet of Ashkenazis; of Jews in general; and of Judaism.

In short, Zionism is an umbrella coalition of all ethnic backgrounds and makeups brought together for common monetary goals. Zionists have a solid representation in monetary materialistic Jews (most of whom are of Ashkenazi origin but only because most Jews today are of Ashkenazi origin). The vast majority of Ashkenazi Jews are spiritual Jews, not monetary materialistic Jews. Spiritual Jews share brotherhood with spiritual Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Monetary materialistic Jews share brotherhood with monetary materialistic Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

The brotherhood of the spiritual peoples of the world (all religions, traditions, and ethnic types) ... is part of the human ideal.
The brotherhood of the monetary and the materialistic, alas ... is the brotherhood of Cain and Abel.

Humble opinions all around.

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[Ahkenaten]

Zook the problem is that if we get bogged down as a group in debating this particular issue, which in my opinion has become another tar-baby or way of trapping certain people, flagging them as dangerous and negative in some ways, we run the risk of getting hopelessly entangled in debates that there is no hope of resolving - and as others have pointed out, being flagged as persons of interest by certain groups. Why do that? What is the point? I think debates on these issues should be conducted privately between interested individuals NOT on this forum. Just a thought. Ahk

[RedeZra]

I am not suggesting that TPTB are all the Jews in the world


it's just a small sect - ? families 13 bloodlines ? - of Jewish heritage sharing an extreme form of Jewish ideology that is both political n spiritual in nature


the political power grab was possible because of private banking


"I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply." - Nathan Rothschild said (1777-1836)


so the Crown is not the Queen but Rothschild


at the pinnacle of the pyramide of power there are only members of Jewish heritage n ideology

but those working for a one world order come in all creed n colors

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seems some of you guys perhaps all are aware of the ADL hehe

but that's no reason to keep your mouths shut n look the other way

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actually I know that you know that I'm right

you're just to afraid to admit it

[Zook]

Zook the problem is that if we get bogged down as a group in debating this particular issue, which in my opinion has become another tar-baby or way of trapping certain people, flagging them as dangerous and negative in some ways, we run the risk of getting hopelessly entangled in debates that there is no hope of resolving - and as others have pointed out, being flagged as persons of interest by certain groups. Why do that? What is the point? I think debates on these issues should be conducted privately between interested individuals NOT on this forum. Just a thought. Ahk

Ahks, the pursuit of truths is the singular path I wish to tread. I must admit to not always being astute enough to avoid the mud puddles along the way, my focus being straight ahead and elevated from the ground. Having said that, sometimes the mud on one's feet is a testament to the honest journey. I don't think it serves the truth badly to call a spade a spade. Sometimes the public call is necessary.

"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men."
--President Woodrow Wilson

I include this quote to emphasize the importance of not cowering from public discourse, especially when the need arises to call out small groups of dominant men. The need had arisen long ago, IMHO, and we have been cowering for far too long (again, IMHO).

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"A great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world--no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men."
--President Woodrow Wilson



system based on participation and not representation is a winner ...i don't need anyone to represent me...does anyone? :victory: l


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[Ahkenaten]

Zook - though I hate the metaphor there are all kinds of ways to skin the cat.

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Zook - though I hate the metaphor there are all kinds of ways to skin the cat.

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[Zook]

Zook - though I hate the metaphor there are all kinds of ways to skin the cat.

Not a feelgood metaphor for sure, Ahks. How about this one, then?

Many roads to Rome.

Five syllables; four words - quite economical - and sure to get the stamp of approval from animal rights groups. Wot?

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ps: Be alert ... or you may end up in Romania!

[Ahkenaten]

I used the cat image to put some edge into the remark...........................and this is a serious life or death business is it not? No offense to animal people of which I am one by the way.....................

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you're alright aten...i didn't really worry.. more of a wind up..sorry... l


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