Why we cannot just go off grid.

[Bubu]

I will quote what Dennis wrote in another thread because I just confirmed this to be true

"I kinda agree with you and I kinda don't.

I agree that diving into homesteading is sane, peaceful, ecological, and learning or remembering homesteading skills is useful, even critical knowledge.

Where I have to disagree is that I think a bunch of people going off-grid isn't a solution for any of the really big political problems like war, eternal war, and more war. I cannot avert my eyes as the government of the country where I was born and where I live expands its militarist empire globally, and produces death and destruction as it's major exports. I also think that if government resources (tax) dry up, they won't just fold their tent - they'll impose new, harsh, land-use, homesteading, or just property taxes, to the point where most people would lose their homestead. They can and will simply wage a financial war against us with taxes, fees, licenses, assessments, and their nuclear bomb: eminent domain. US citizens cannot run away from the government and just be left alone to live happily ever after. The US government is composed of hand-picked handmaidens of the Elite, stooges to perform the dirty work of the real people in the "shadow" government who control the government.

We need a plan and strategy to get out from under the thumb of the Elite, and yes, I believe that plan must include at least a percentage of citizens having enough food and water/water access+purification to be able to wage a financial war (including the first nationwide strike) on the Elite, with the purpose of taking over and transforming the electoral system so the Elite cannot shoe-horn their representatives in.

We need homesteads, but we need more than homesteads - we need to end the militarist-corporatist-bankster reign of terror so that we no longer have a psychopathic, malevolent government that we are constantly fighting. 320,000,000 US citizens are letting the Elite pre-select the entire pool of candidates for high office, and then wonder why the government works for the Elite and against the people."

So I have been to my offgrid place a couple of times staying there 3 to 4 days each and had a good interaction with the locals the native tribe that use to stay there. Their story:

'Our houses and our plants are new since we just came back from the city. We left because the insurgents/rebels (note: elite finance through the back door) commit abuses against us asking for our livestock and farm produce and telling us to do something for them politely under gunpoint. Then the military brought the firefight in our farms dropping bombs fifty meters from our houses. Burning our house under the suspicion that we are rebel supporters. Now we are back because the rebels are no longer here because of the military camps set up around the mountains. Thanks to the government for heeding our call for protection."

From this we see clearly another case of "problem, reaction solution" and that even the deepest jungles are not spared from the elite. Going off grid does not spare anyone from control and abuses of the elite. Dennis explained it well I think. WE need to defeat them. The big part of it is to inform others which we cannot do off grid and to have our own source of food which we cannot do in the congested cities. So I am planning not to completely leave the city. This works well with me because I work as a building contractor. Which means that I will be in the city every now and then to take care of good contracts and to continue doing what I am doing right now. This will also allow me for a smooth transition and I will be seeing my children more often boosting the chance of me convincing them of the off grid thing

[Sunny-side-up]

YES!
They the system will get you or break you!
They the system needs to totally change.

[happyuk]

The turmoil we currently see are necessary changes as part of our transition into a less dense and more spiritual age. As Swami Sri Yukteswar has pointed out in his book, The Holy Science, our current age, the Atomic Age (Dwapara Yuga) is a relatively new ascending stage in the life of our planet that started circa 1700 and ends in AD 4099, that followed the influence of the Dark Age (Kali Yuga) - a period in which man could not comprehend anything beyond the purely physical, reaching its lowest ebb in about AD 500 - the widespread strife and suffering during this period indeed bears this out.

This period still weighs heavily upon contemporary civilization. It is a most dangerous phase, whereby man's spiritual development has not yet caught up with technological advances and his capacity for making trouble. Sooner or later the troubles we experience during this era of exploding technological advances will compel us to learn these lessons: racial intolerance, smugness, superiority, fear, hatred and other meannesses will have to go.

How do we address the world crisis that is undoubtedly coming? By adopting a simple, uncomplicated life, morals and high thinking.

Don't take on mortgages, hire purchases for consumer goods that you will struggle to meet. Do not try to 'keep up with the Joneses'. Learn to make and do more for yourself: fix your own clothes, cars and houses, grow and preserve your own food. Keep life very simple, avoiding the casinos, nightclubs and bars and other forms of rascaldom. Enjoy what you have. There is plenty to fascinate the mind of man. Read worthwhile books, meditate, and enjoy an uncomplicated life.

A simpler life = less brain damage and fewer worries and more time for spiritual reflection. Rather than fighting against those in control whom none have us never met, is this not the real way to buck the system?

[seah]

Then the military brought the firefight in our farms dropping bombs fifty meters from our houses. Burning our house under the suspicion that we are rebel supporters.

and here we have it, why homesteading in large numbers will never be an option. It isn't ever going to be feasible because this type of independence is extremely provocative to the ptb; where is their taxes going to come from...who will go to the mall...carry a Visa...or require a mortgage? Not the homesteaders. These folks would be the first to go.

[Bubu]

Then the military brought the firefight in our farms dropping bombs fifty meters from our houses. Burning our house under the suspicion that we are rebel supporters.

and here we have it, why homesteading in large numbers will never be an option. It isn't ever going to be feasible because this type of independence is extremely provocative to the ptb; where is their taxes going to come from...who will go to the mall...carry a Visa...or require a mortgage? Not the homesteaders. These folks would be the first to go.

Yes these folks needs to go. In our efforts to make them go we need to be more independent, produce our own foods and energy and most of all we need to convince our fellows about the things we been talking here, by example or by openly telling the truth.

But I think we shall not surrender our rights to be what where and when we should be. If we want to go off grid when we should do it without fear. Related chaos and and incidents will inform/awaken our fellows to the truth. Living in fear is no living at all

[norman]

I hate to have to say this, but, The only thing I can see ever doing the change we all here want is going to have to be either deliberate or a very lucky PR phenomenon.

The root cause of the reason we seem to be up against a brick wall is the mind spell the population is under.

As I see it, the only thing to break that spell is a more powerfull 'spell'. It could be something really lucky that none of us saw coming, like they say " Hits Happen".

Choosing to go off grid is a good thing for a lot of people but not for most, I think. I don't think cultivating a throwback society as a tiny minority is going to change much. I also don't think a throwback society for the majority is a good thing either. There's not a lot wrong with advanced technology that can't be dealt with, in the right hands.

In the past I've been told, "If you don't like it, why don't you go off somewhere remote and live in a tent, or something?" My response was always , "why should I deny myself the best the human race can achieve just because the world is run my a bunch of shafters?".

errr...No.... I say we stand firm and cross our fingers and do everything we can to give birth to a popular realisation that the way things are CAN be changed. Their's plenty of change going on right now. Change is a term that has been hijacked by the few but I mean change for the better, not for the few.

[Bubu]

I hate to have to say this, but, The only thing I can see ever doing the change we all here want is going to have to be either deliberate or a very lucky PR phenomenon.

The root cause of the reason we seem to be up against a brick wall is the mind spell the population is under.

As I see it, the only thing to break that spell is a more powerfull 'spell'. It could be something really lucky that none of us saw coming, like they say " Hits Happen".

Choosing to go off grid is a good thing for a lot of people but not for most, I think. .

Going off grid for me is kinda taking rest from the chaos of the city life to tune in our vibes with nature. But in no means forgetting the awesome techs that humanity has come of. yes we need a powerful spell akin to a miracle a peaceful revolution hopefully. I am praying that our military, top brass preferably, will one day wake up and turn against their bosses.

[6pounder]

I wonder what would the ptb will do of one day a nation like the US will wake up one morning, they won't turn on the TV, they won't consume, they won't drive, they won't go to work, they won't use electricity, they won't overuse water. How that will impact the system. And I'm not talking about a sabbatical.

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That includes turning off your cellphones and internet

[TargeT]

YES!
They the system will get you or break you!
They the system needs to totally change.

quietly and consistently do what you think is right, always; the outcome you seek will follow.

[seah]

But I think we shall not surrender our rights to be what where and when we should be. If we want to go off grid when we should do it without fear. Related chaos and and incidents will inform/awaken our fellows to the truth. Living in fear is no living at all

we should definitely stand in our truth, do what our inner guidance tells us, without fear; going off grid is what a portion of society is already doing, and not just baby boomers, but young, college educated folks who enjoy alternative living, yet they are doing it quietly, individually, not attracting much attention to themselves.

I'm sure the ptb are aware of this movement for eco living styles, such us tiny houses built by owners , converted garages, yurts, shipping containers. I'm interested to see when they will move in to monopolize and corrupt those endeavors.

[Luxlucis]

Some diseases (coorporations etc..) have to be cut out in order for the organism to survive.

[janette]

Yes I absolutely agree. I've got to get my act together and start growing my own veg..been saying it for ages now. I've got my own chickens so that's a start. As far as energy goes I wouldn't know where to start.😮..the keshe foundation is the way forward i think. He seems a genuine guy with so much knowledge and only good intentions for the future of the planet and mankind.😊

[Mozart]

What Dennis said in his quoted bit impressed me greatly.

Dennis is so right about the fact that we MUST defeat the Cabal -- there is no other way to have peace on Earth.

The challenge/problem with the Cabal is HUGE, so effing HUGE.

Where do I begin to describe the problem, let alone propose the solution(s) that are available to us?

It's a complicated, VERY COMPLICATED situation with the Cabal's stranglehold on their power over the rest of us.

Too complicated to post here, but I just want to say that Dennis is right in his quoted bit, and I wish to commend the OP, Babu, for starting this thread.

We must, utterly MUST defeat the Cabal -- nothing else matters right now in our world.

[Apophenia]

War isn't the only reason why the current status quo exists; in fact it can be argued its partly an outcome of where humanity as a whole has come at this point, due to fighting over territory, resources, and various political systems which claim to be against the presiding elite or whoever else. Recently I saw a North Korean documentary trying to argue the same points about who runs our reality (the illuminati), only to conclude that it justifies their dysfunctional system remaining as it is just because it would mean they wouldn't be under the aegis of the Rothschilds. Sometimes reality is a little less black-and-white than we believe it to be.

As for the presiding system in the Anglosphere; is it sincerely believed all problems will vanish once the elite does? What about the billions of animals humanity globally relies on for meat consumption? If we don't depend on them, then we no longer find a use for all of them, unless you want to utilize force to make people adopt them, or alternatively abandon them which the death toll from that alone would be surreal in and of itself.

What about expensive medical research that requires a large system to operate under? Large as in more than one party funding it, including the mining of the resources to build the equipment to conduct the actual experiments and people (assuming animals wont be used) to test on? How is that going to function adequately if we're all living in close-knit, vegan, anarcho-agrarian communities with minimal or no external leadership, and that is 100% sovereign with no reliance on any technology granted from the same 'fallen angel' forces?

What about defense? Is this going to be something where we all link hands and sing hippy chants to ward off external forces, or is there going to be serious amounts of mining and resources (at the expense of the environment) to build sophisticated weapon platforms to ward off others? I could go on, the problems are numerous, and I don't think all of them have been 100% tackled or without looking like we're replacing one elite with another destructive elite.

I get the problems with who is ruling, our reliance on non-renewable energy, the fact our education system has ingrained tribalistic rubbish which tries to palm itself off as objective, when it continues to divide us all, that the people on top are speculators who live off the manipulation of money, and then some... but they exist for other reasons as well, whether people like to acknowledge the elephant in the room or not, we haven't come close to showing a completely tested viable alternative with zero issues attached, without looking like controlled opposition.... but it appears to be a pipe dream, because civilizations at this level and scale either needs enormous amounts of technological support or something else to fill the void to keep it maintained.