I'm hoping for the markets to crash

[Matt P]

Let's flip the script for a second, just for fun.
What do the stock markets around the world represent? They are the largest corporations in the world, right?
Exactly what kinds of stewards of the Earth have these corporations been? How's the Earth been doing with the consequences of these corporations' actions?
How have people been treated by these corporations? Extended health and life or the opposite? How have animals been treated by them? How have they approached the release of secret technologies that would benefit us all? All rhetorical questions obviously?
Let me ask you this...What percentage of the economy do these largest corporations represent? Do you have even an idea? Small businesses (those with less than 50 employees, if memory serves) account for over 90% of the United States economy! I am being conservative...I have read 95%. I would guess it's probably similar around the world.
You would be right if you said small businesses are the backbone, the heartbeat, the soul of the world economy. Those small businesses are what drives and supports the country, not the corporations. It's the small businesses that matter, not the corporations, yet who is ever talking about strengthening and supporting the part of the economy that is MOST important? No one, right?
Yet media and pundits get all worked up about the stocks of the just the largest, most evil corporations the world has ever seen and worry about them crashing. Our government policy favors those corporations over the small businesses (now you see why the middle class is disappearing). This is just another part of the grand deception.

Me? I am hoping the markets crash and I hope nothing is left but ashes. Sure it would be a bump in the road but our planet needs a couple bumps in the road for these corporations and our criminal governments, who have a perfect revolving door relationship with each other. In order for us to create the world we know is possible, I believe it must happen first. They have to crash.

Allow the biggest, most evil corporations to fail and then watch as the true soul of the economy, small businesses and independents, rise, reclaim and then fix this mess and get this planet back on track.

Matt

[sigma6]

It's a natural cycle....like when forest burn is enriches the soil... we have to see the bigger picture... the media is just pablum for the masses... btw has anyone seen the movie... "The Big Short"... that is a definite MUST SEE movie... if you want to get educated EXACTLY on how they created the crash of 2008 via the securitization of mortgages... creating a massive "bubble"... and the tiny few who called it...


The 10 Principles of Bubbles
Show Why the Whole Planet’s on Crack

By Harry S. Dent Jr., Senior Editor, Economy & Markets

Editor: The global markets just reacted to another 7% plunge in Chinese markets – the biggest bubble of our time.

Go on the Internet and look up any article about China’s economy. Nine times out of 10 they’ll acknowledge the problems in overbuilding, real estate vacancies, rising debt and everything else.

But they always take the position that China will be able to have a soft landing. Through government guidance, they’ll be able to transition to a consumer-driven economy like the U.S. instead of a government-driven infrastructure and exporting one.

Meanwhile, very few analysts in the financial media think that stocks are in a bubble, when this rally since early 2009 looks exactly like every bubble in history.

And that’s the problem – when it comes to predicting the future, humans are invariably almost always wrong.

When bubbles get going, everyone gets “high” and no one wants the high to end… so we go into denial.

I recently shared a chart showing the human model of forecasting. At the top, we think we’ll never have another recession – that we’ve reached escape velocity. When it all starts to topple, we assume it’ll be a soft landing. And when it all hits the floor, we think things are so bad they’ll never get better again.

Every time!

We project in straight lines, when reality is cyclical.

The truth is, we don’t like cycles. We love it as the getting gets good, but we hate the downside. So when you start hearing that it’s going to be a soft landing – that is a sure sign that everything’s about to hit splat against the pavement!

That’s why I thought it was a good time to remind you of the 10 principles of bubbles from Chapter 5 of The Demographic Cliff, after the recent reminder of the fragility of global markets.

1.All growth and evolution is exponential, not linear.


2.All growth is cyclical, not incremental.


3.Bubbles always burst; there are no exceptions.


4.The greater that bubble is, the greater it’s going to burst!


5.When bubbles burst, they tend to go back to where they started or a bit lower.


6.Financial bubbles tend to get more extreme over time, as the available credit that fuels them expands as our incomes and wealth expand.


7.Bubbles become so attractive that eventually they suck in even the skeptics.


8.No one wants the “high” and easy gains to end, so we go into denial as the bubble evolves, especially in its latter stages.


9.Major bubbles occur only about once in a human lifetime, so it is easy to forget the lessons from the last one.

And the last one’s my favorite...

10.Bubbles may seem fruitless and destructive when they burst, but they actually serve a very essential function in the process of innovation and human progress.

So make no mistake – it’s a bubble, damn it! And worse, it’s a global bubble. It’s saturated the whole frickin’ planet to the point where hardly anyone can see it, because you can’t get out of it!

From stocks, to real estate, to bonds – it’s all caught up in the euphoria!

The commodity bubble has already burst, and China’s stock bubble has peaked and will continue to burst, despite government intervention with hundreds of billions to prop it up.

It already fell another 7% Monday and global stocks along with it (though not as bad), as the world’s finally waking up to the fact that China ain’t all it’s cracked up to be – it, like all other markets, is just on crack!

Bubbles don’t correct – they burst! Sure, U.S. stocks might have climbed out of the August correction. But too many small- and mid-cap stocks are in the red to say “the coast is clear.” And these growing divergences in the market are showing that we are very, very close to bursting.

[ulli]

I'm hoping for the same.
But politicians want to provide employment, and the only big employers left are the guys who make tanks and other war machines.
How can those companies crash if investors shift their money over there?
Because that's what will happen with the way things are going in the Middle East.

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[Bubu]

"Me? I am hoping the markets crash and I hope nothing is left but ashes."

me too, but I want it to stay down

[betoobig]

I am up for it too.
Much love

[Lochinvar]

I don't believe crashes are natural cycles but in stead that all markets are manipulated, crashes are manipulated and the demographic cliff was also manufactured (as part of the manipulation). I believe that those running the UK (not politicians in my experience) want to increase unemployment (except in the military).

[risveglio]

Let's flip the script for a second, just for fun.
What do the stock markets around the world represent? They are the largest corporations in the world, right?
Exactly what kinds of stewards of the Earth have these corporations been? How's the Earth been doing with the consequences of these corporations' actions?
How have people been treated by these corporations?

Do we want to get more specific here because corporations, which are really just an entity of government are not really the stewards of the Earth. Corporations have done pretty good for a lot of people. Global poverty across the world is at its lowest ever. Most people just like to complain (I'm one of them) but in most ways, things are pretty neat. I think you are giving Corporations too much blame so I won't give them the credit either.




Extended health and life or the opposite? How have animals been treated by them? How have they approached the release of secret technologies that would benefit us all? All rhetorical questions obviously?
Let me ask you this...What percentage of the economy do these largest corporations represent? Do you have even an idea? Small businesses (those with less than 50 employees, if memory serves) account for over 90% of the United States economy! I am being conservative...I have read 95%. I would guess it's probably similar around the world.
You would be right if you said small businesses are the backbone, the heartbeat, the soul of the world economy. Those small businesses are what drives and supports the country, not the corporations. It's the small businesses that matter, not the corporations, yet who is ever talking about strengthening and supporting the part of the economy that is MOST important? No one, right?
Yet media and pundits get all worked up about the stocks of the just the largest, most evil corporations the world has ever seen and worry about them crashing. Our government policy favors those corporations over the small businesses (now you see why the middle class is disappearing). This is just another part of the grand deception.

Me? I am hoping the markets crash and I hope nothing is left but ashes. Sure it would be a bump in the road but our planet needs a couple bumps in the road for these corporations and our criminal governments, who have a perfect revolving door relationship with each other. In order for us to create the world we know is possible, I believe it must happen first. They have to crash.

Allow the biggest, most evil corporations to fail and then watch as the true soul of the economy, small businesses and independents, rise, reclaim and then fix this mess and get this planet back on track.

Matt



I understand the sentiment here but you realize that most of the money that any of us have in retirement is tied to a corporation. If you can pinpoint, the biggest and most evil and just let them die, cool, but a complete crash will hurt a lot of good people unless they have been preparing for it.

[moekatz]

risveglio: Your comments pinpoint exactly the dilemma those of us in the USA face. If there is going to be a consensus to ok a collapse of the largest corporations it will mean that any retirement fund dollars will be directly affected. It means all of us will feel the magnitude of that action in some real ways. We ALL have to feel the hurt in order to re-boot. There is always pain enough for all in major world shifts.

[WhiteLove]

I am totally behind the points you made Matt, the answers combined really do not make any sense whatsoever. None of it is of any importance to what makes a society unified, healthy and peaceful. It's about time that all of these false bubbles burst and that the people steps in and says enough, we've had enough of this now. I really think that when people start being in truth like that and really desire positive change because they know themselves, they see themselves in others and they want positive real change, then this is a civilization that is in the process of moving forward and taking it to the next level. We must be like that. I think it is very obvious that the world cannot rest in peace based on secrecy, lies, deception, manipulation, cover ups, ego and corruption. The bubbles must burst, this is how density decreases, by releasing the false stuff that no longer serves mankind. And that's exactly where we are right now. Together we have the power to achieve free energy, a clean nature, make people free to do what they love, create awesome technologies, unify in unconditional love, make our culture authentic and rich and then go out to the stars to unify with our friends out there! Simply all of that which makes life exciting, great and fun! I totally believe that as the density decreases, then the synchronicities increase, you become less and less limited from the truths that are constantly around you. I want to know what it is like to live on earth when mankind has decided to be like that. Let's have the attitude that it is possible, that there is hope, that we can make change and that things are too limiting by all of the bad stuff right now and hence we represent the change in being which leads us all to a wonderful future.

[giovonni]

For many years now - We have seen the U.S. Central banks use Quantitative easing (a supposed monetary policy used to stimulate the economy when standard monetary policy has become ineffective) allow and aid the Wall Street thiefdom gangs to plunder the world economies into utter despair - If these Banksters really desire to keep what they have greedily ill gotten - Then it's way pass due for them to commence balancing the playing field back towards the Main street side of the board - Crash or no crash !

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[Ron Mauer Sr]

The only people who may feel little or no discomfort when the economic bubble is burst will be indigenous peoples who live a very basic life style, without electricity, without supermarkets, without electronic devices and without wars.

The rest of us who depend on electricity, supermarkets, retirement plans, social security and indoor plumbing may be in for a very rough time when the bubble is burst.

Self reliant skills are the key to living in the near future with minimum discomfort and avoid whatever manipulation will be offered (already planned) by the control freaks.

The alternative to having self reliant skills and having other preparations will include large scale depopulation and even more slavery.

It is a good idea to learn how live like a poor Mexican. They have skills that we need to learn before the bubble is burst.

Unfortunately we seem to expect others to change, to fix the problems, instead of changing ourselves.


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[Ewan]

I think so too Gio, there's something else unfolding here - somethings coming and it ain't just wave x.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm hoping for the markets to crash
Well, we're off to a good start.

From Zerohedge, after the close of the world's stock markets for the first week of 2016: Market Massacre: Worst Ever First Week Of Trading (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-08/market-massacre-worst-ever-first-week-trading).

This article shows a number of markets around the world, including the US, Europe and China, all down historically for the first week of the year, including for example the legendary Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA):

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/01/20160108_EOD1.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

Another article summarizing the week's stock markets: Stock Market Crash 2016: This Is The Worst Start To A Year For Stocks Ever (The Economic Collapse Blog) (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/stock-market-crash-2016-this-is-the-worst-start-to-a-year-for-stocks-ever):

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We have never had a year start the way that 2016 has started. In the U.S., the Dow Jones Industrial Average and the S&P 500 have both posted their worst four-day starts to a year ever. Canadian stocks are now down 21 percent (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-07/bloodbath) since September, and it has been an absolute bloodbath in Europe over the past four days. Of course the primary catalyst for all of this is what has been going on in China. There has been an emergency suspension of trading in China two times within the past four days (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/7-percent-crash-causes-emergency-shutdown-of-stock-markets-in-china-for-the-2nd-time-in-4-days), and nobody is quite certain what is going to happen next. Eventually this wave of panic selling will settle down, but that won’t mean that this crisis will be over. In fact, what is coming is going to be much worse than what we have already seen.

On Thursday I was doing a show with some friends, and we were amazed that stocks just seemed to keep falling and falling and falling. The Dow closed down 392 points, and the NASDAQ got absolutely slammed. At this point, the Dow and the NASDAQ are both officially in “correction territory”, and some of the talking heads on television are warning that this could be the beginning of a “bear market”. But of course some of the other “experts” are insisting that this is just a temporary bump in the road.

But what everyone can agree on is that we have never seen a start to a year like this one. The following comes from CNN (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/07/investing/stocks-markets-dow-china/index.html)…
The global market freakout of 2016 just got worse.

The latest scare came on Thursday as China’s stock market crashed 7% overnight and crude oil plummeted to the lowest level in more than 12 years.

The Dow dropped 392 points on Thursday. The S&P 500 fell 2.4%, while the Nasdaq tumbled 3%.

The wave of selling has knocked the Dow down 911 points, or more than 5% so far this year. That’s the worst four-day percentage loss to start a year on record, according to FactSet stats that go back to 1897.When CNN starts sounding like The Economic Collapse Blog, you know that things are really bad. I particularly like their use of the phrase “global market freakout”. I might have to borrow that one.

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[WhiteLove]

This will put it into perspective for ya.

BIDU stock today:
32523

Oh, and BTW. every blue line is a dollar per share. :waving:

But hey, natural gas is up +4% *weee*

[ThePythonicCow]

This will put it into perspective for ya.

BIDU stock today:
Your chart has only "1" on every line, and is not zero-based, so one has no idea how much BIDU fell.

According to CNN (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=BIDU), BIDU fell from $174.37 to $171.31, a loss of 1.74% for the day.

... nothing special :).

[WhiteLove]

This will put it into perspective for ya.

BIDU stock today:
Your chart has only "1" on every line, and is not zero-based, so one has no idea how much BIDU fell.

According to CNN (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=BIDU), BIDU fell from $174.37 to $171.31, a loss of 1.74% for the day.

... nothing special :).

:) I stretched it horizontally a bit too... :popcorn:

[WhiteLove]

I'm hoping for the markets to crash
Well, we're off to a good start.
From Zerohedge, after the close of the world's stock markets for the first week of 2016: Market Massacre: Worst Ever First Week Of Trading (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-08/market-massacre-worst-ever-first-week-trading).
This article shows a number of markets around the world, including the US, Europe and China, all down historically for the first week of the year, including for example the legendary Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA):


Awesome post, thanks Paul!!

[Caliban]

Thanks mpennery for having the balls to say it. It's a rotten system and most of us feed off the golden calf, even those of us who get only the bones to chew on. How must it feel to look out on the world having almost everything while those down below grapple and grope for a meal or a few bucks to amuse themselves with for an hour of stolen time?

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm hoping for the markets to crash
Unfortunately the bastards in power on this planet are likely also hoping for a crash ... or more likely making it crash ... as they have the next debt-based world monetary system already queuing up in the wings, ready to take center stage.

[giovonni]

check it out ...

http://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/richard_fisher-1024x582.png

Fed Official Confesses Fed Rigged Stock Market — Crash Certain (http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/fed-official-confesses-fed-rigged-stock-market-crash-certain.html)

[Lochinvar]

The globalists have tight control of markets through loads of techniques like low latency trading, algorithmic and high frequency trading, rehypothecation, naked short selling, QE, bank bailouts and plunge protection teams. If a crash happens it's because they want it to happen and seeing as they want us DEAD it's not likely to work in our favour.

[Lochinvar]

....on the other hand it might be possible to hit organisations like JP Morgan by destroying their short positions on precious metals by buying them in large enough quantity and taking delivery to put them out of business.

[robinr1]

its very unlikely someone not associated with the globalists would be allowed to do this... and in reality prob not possible bc the globalists have an unlimited checkbook.




....on the other hand it might be possible to hit organisations like JP Morgan by destroying their short positions on precious metals by buying them in large enough quantity and taking delivery to put them out of business.

[Lochinvar]

I don't think I've heard any precious metals expert say that the comex won't default when demand for physical metal is high enough. You can print as much paper as you want but gold is made by supernova.

[robinr1]

I don't think I've heard any precious metals expert say that the comex won't default when demand for physical metal is high enough. You can print as much paper as you want but gold is made by supernova.



the demand is irrelevant. bc the market is a paper market. the only way the comex defaults is when folks start demanding physical delivery. in the late 70s the hunt brothers tried something similar to what u are suggesting....and failed miserably.

[Lochinvar]

We'll have to agree to disagree. Best of luck.

[Karma Ninja]

I think I understand where your sentiment comes from but I don't know if your hope for a market crash will amount to significant change. Not if what replaces it is controlled by the same people. The obscenely wealthy have all the resources and tools at their disposal to survive a market meltdown so they would be unlikely to lose their grasp on power. More likely they would lay low and re-emerge when things settle down.

Perhaps what you are hoping for is a global market, societal and governmental breakdown followed by decades of chaos and struggle that results in a completely new way of life not encumbered by the selfish and egotistical desires of a small group of sociopaths and psychos. :Party:

Be careful what you wish for...

[Lochinvar]

Here's David Icke's take on market crashes (released 15th Jan 2016). Very interesting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyfW80dvAwA

"The collapse is in the plan..."

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I'm hoping for the markets to crash
Unfortunately the bastards in power on this planet are likely also hoping for a crash ... or more likely making it crash ... as they have the next debt-based world monetary system already queuing up in the wings, ready to take center stage.

I suspect the next debt-based world monetary system is linked to a one world government where all rights are replaced by privileges granted by the state. Freedom gone.

My hope is that humans become so smart, so clever, so intuitive that manipulation of humans is no longer possible.

[Lochinvar]

Here's the Infowars take on an economic collapse (Jan 15th 2016)

http://www.infowars.com/emergency-economic-collapse-is-by-design/

Interesting.

[Lone Bean]

nevermind - just decided it was a rant