Is The Alien Agenda Hostile Or Not? [Split from "2015-12-25: The Last Christmas"]

[Eric J (Viking)]

[mod-edit: the following discussion originated in "The Last Christmas" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88113-2015-12-25-The-Last-Christmas) thread]



The big news in 2016, hopefully, is that people will begin to realise that the alien agenda is hostile.

be happy

lucidity

In what way?..don't believe it...yes that is the agenda from the PTW...but in reality it is not the case...they want you to think the guys up there are the bad guys...far from truth Lucid...

Viking

[lucidity]

The big news in 2016, hopefully, is that people will begin to realise that the alien agenda is hostile.

be happy

lucidity

In what way?..don't believe it...yes that is the agenda from the PTW...but in reality it is not the case...they want you to think the guys up there are the bad guys...far from tuth Lucid...

Viking

Hi Viking,

Yes, the alien agenda *is* hostile.
They're not here to help you, or us, or humanity generally.
They don't care about pollution or gaia.... or personal growth
Spirituality means nothing to them.
They're not our brothers, they are predators.

But there's lots of different species of aliens.
Which ones specifically am i referring to ?

The Mantids and all the species they already control:
The little greys, the tall greys, (some variety of) reptilian
and lots of human-alien hybrids.
This is the primary crowd that organise the abductions of humans.

There's evidence that this crowd are carnivores and are feeding
on the blood of cows, sheep, horses and even humans. Did you know
that cases of animal mutilations are characterized by the extraction of
all, or nearly all, of the blood in the animal ?
Gallons and Gallons of blood. Like little vampires.
Animal mutilations and wholesale disappearance of flocks and herds
is an ongoing problem and has been happening since the 1950's.
And this *is* happening regularly to human beings and you're *not* being told:
Think i'm joking ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJXAGrcN-E

David Jacobs wrote a book last year called "Walking Among Us".
He makes the distinction between hybrids and hubrids.
Hybrids are what you imagine they are: human/alien hybrids... they look a little like us and a little like them.
Hubrids look exactly like us. You simply can't tell them and us apart.
Except, that hubrids have the ability to control humans.
They can make you do X or make you do Y.
They can put images in your mind.
They can tell you to do things telepathically.
They can make you forget things.

The MIB were hybrids. They didn't look quite like us, they looked a little odd.
Hubrids, look exactly like us. And MIB & Hubrids can control humans, make
them do anything, make them forget anything. Complete control over humans.

And guess what, for the last few years, the aliens have been integrating these
little monsters into our cities and getting abductees to teach them how to fit in,
how to look normal, how to drive cars and pay for things in shops.

They're here to assimilate into our societies and then replace us.
All this sh1t about assisting us with our evolution, my arse. It's war time propaganda!
They're replacing us with hybrids.
They are an existential threat to our species.
Think i'm joking ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJjHTpCORs

be happy

lucidity

[ghostrider]

The only agenda is our agenda , the watchers are not going to allow any outside ETs to influence us as a planet ... since 1995 the offical withdrawn , project earth is complete , a 13,500 year misson , to teach us self responsibility, and to use our freewill with care ... we are protected ...

[lucidity]

hi Ghostrider,

You're replying from a pre-existing position.

I would prefer to believe that the aliens are our space brothers,
that they are here to look after us and help us grow spiritually.
That would make me feel comfortable and protected.
However, the evidence is just the opposite.

I warmly invite you to click the links in my post above.

be happy

lucidity

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Hi Herve

can we change the title of this thread to "The alien agenda is hostile !"
That would more accurately represent this thread's content.

be happy

lucidity

[mojo]

Evidence weighs in favor on both ends of the spectrum.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Lucid you have no evidence that guys up there have a selfish agenda...give me some proof apart from Jacobs...

The reason why they don't intervene is our free will and soul growth...if push comes to shove with planet earth perhaps they would intervene for the good of the good. In the meantime watch and grow.

I could be more detailed, and in time I will.

Viking

[lucidity]

Hi Lucid you have no evidence that guys up there have a selfish agenda...give me some proof apart from Jacobs...

The reason why they don't intervene is our free will and soul growth...if push comes to shove with planet earth perhaps they would intervene for the good of the good. In the meantime watch and grow.

I could be more detailed, and in time a will.

Viking

Hi Viking,

You sound like you're defending what you *want* to believe.
I recommend you resist that temptation.

What do you mean they "dont intervene" ... That's the whole point.
They *do* intervene. What's an alien abduction ? In many cases
men, women and children are sexually molested and/or assaulted.
They have *painful* procedures inflicted upon them. Eggs and sperm
are stolen from them. Pregnancies are induced and then extracted
from women without their permission. How can you possibly say
they "dont intervene" ... They clearly *do* intervene.

There is all the evidence in the world that they don't give two figs
about our free will. They inflict these abductions *against* the wishes
of their victims.

This video will show the evidence of *human* mutilations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJXAGrcN-E

There is abundant evidence of a hostile alien agenda in the work of Karla Turner:
See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayLasHNlh4U

be happy

lucidity

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hi Herve

can we change the title of this thread to "The alien agenda is hostile !"
That would more accurately represent this thread's content.

be happy

lucidity

Hi Herve as it's my thread can you please change it to...

Is the alien agenda hostile or not?

Thank you

Viking

[6pounder]

My beliefs were shaped towards this subject basically on two very known persons in the alternative community which are Alex Collier and Simon Parkes. Those who know their stories can tell that the "alien agenda" is not "hostile", I'd rather say complicated. But that's my belief system.

[giovonni]

Evidence weighs in favor on both ends of the spectrum.

Yes indeed ...

Of course this is subjective - especially for those who have experienced up close and personal contact ...

To most observants it depends on their own intuitive/perceptiveness of this ongoing global phenomenon ...

Whether good and bad something obviously is occurring ?

[Rocky_Shorz]

The big news in 2016, hopefully, is that people will begin to realise that the alien agenda is hostile.

be happy

lucidity

In what way?..don't believe it...yes that is the agenda from the PTW...but in reality it is not the case...they want you to think the guys up there are the bad guys...far from tuth Lucid...

Viking

Hi Viking,

Yes, the alien agenda *is* hostile.
They're not here to help you, or us, or humanity generally.
They don't care about pollution or gaia.... or personal growth
Spirituality means nothing to them.
They're not our brothers, they are predators.

But there's lots of different species of aliens.
Which ones specifically am i referring to ?

The Mantids and all the species they already control:
The little greys, the tall greys, (some variety of) reptilian
and lots of human-alien hybrids.
This is the primary crowd that organise the abductions of humans.

There's evidence that this crowd are carnivores and are feeding
on the blood of cows, sheep, horses and even humans. Did you know
that cases of animal mutilations are characterized by the extraction of
all, or nearly all, of the blood in the animal ?
Gallons and Gallons of blood. Like little vampires.
Animal mutilations and wholesale disappearance of flocks and herds
is an ongoing problem and has been happening since the 1950's.
And this *is* happening regularly to human beings and you're *not* being told:
Think i'm joking ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJXAGrcN-E

David Jacobs wrote a book last year called "Walking Among Us".
He makes the distinction between hybrids and hubrids.
Hybrids are what you imagine they are: human/alien hybrids... they look a little like us and a little like them.
Hubrids look exactly like us. You simply can't tell them and us apart.
Except, that hubrids have the ability to control humans.
They can make you do X or make you do Y.
They can put images in your mind.
They can tell you to do things telepathically.
They can make you forget things.

The MIB were hybrids. They didn't look quite like us, they looked a little odd.
Hubrids, look exactly like us. And MIB & Hubrids can control humans, make
them do anything, make them forget anything. Complete control over humans.

And guess what, for the last few years, the aliens have been integrating these
little monsters into our cities and getting abductees to teach them how to fit in,
how to look normal, how to drive cars and pay for things in shops.

They're here to assimilate into our societies and then replace us.
All this sh1t about assisting us with our evolution, my arse. It's war time propaganda!
They're replacing us with hybrids.
They are an existential threat to our species.
Think i'm joking ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJjHTpCORs

be happy

lucidity

Finally someone to hate in the world other than Israel... ;-)

[Ioneo]

It is like saying 'The human agenda is hostile' by watching a few true crime shows.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I believe the aliens I have met show a protector idealology...

Interviening before Ukraine went Nuclear, the war more or less ended after he said he was on his way to stop it.

So I strongly disagree through personal experience on your outlooks on aliens.

even little greys that dropped in were friendly...

outside of a dimension we can see, is that what moving to 4D will mean suddenly the invisible going on around us is going to appear?

could it be possible from what I have seen that we are being defended from harmful beings? of course...

but our protectors aren't disappearing any time soon...


So let's think for a moment, are they nice to me because I am not damaging the earth out of greed?

How did he stop the war, was someone beamed up for a meeting?

they might have felt in danger or threatened so the report coming back through Special Intelligence would show a much harsher reality than mine...

[Hervé]

[...]
Hi Herve as it's my thread ...
[...]

Actually the thread is entirely mine :p

... from the thread it originated from to starting the split off thread. However, I do agree that, since there is a debate, the polar opposites should appear in the title under a question format.

:focus:

[Nick07]

I'm with you ghost rider, it's our agenda.

[Matthew]

Not wishing to agree or disagree with any of the above, I am considering the possibility animal mutilations as human origin considering the waste. I smell a fear agenda either way. I'm open to the origin of the phenomenon being extra-terrestrial or ultra-terrestrial or just plain terrestrial. Or a combination.

But the main topic
Interventional/abducting behaviour is not nice. Nice extra/ultras would be more respectful of our individual sovereignty perhaps resulting in them deciding to leave us alone for our own choices, or at the very least being what I will call nice. If they're ET/UTs I am imagining they see us much the same way we see gorillas. Like sure we can relate to gorillas (some of us) but you don't want to be dropped in the middle of a pack, even if you're smarter than them. On another note look at the mess we make when the 'civilised world' meets the less industrialised.

So I think of it: nice ones would mostly leave us alone and respect our choices, not hunt us and interact with us perhaps like Jane Goodall did with chimpanzees, with some respect for the less evolved bings sovereignty.

[ghostrider]

The agenda of the plejaren is not hostile ... other races that choose to be hostile will have to go through them ...

[Bubu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJXAGrcN-E

Isn't it possible for the PTB to mutilate animals and humans and blame it on the aliens. IF there is a cover up wouldn't this video already disappeared online. I will go for fear porn because that's what the PTB wants to feed us. Let me mention some examples of seeming real stuffs that turned out otherwise. The fluxliner, Keshe foundation, Im sure there are lots. Treat online info with extreme caution.

[Eric J (Viking)]

[...]
Hi Herve as it's my thread ...
[...]

Actually the thread is entirely mine :p

... from the thread it originated from to starting the split off thread. However, I do agree that, since there is a debate, the polar opposites should appear in the title under a question format.

:focus:


If you want to split hairs Herve the thread belongs to Avalon.. ;p

Anyway Rocky spot on with your comment 'another to hate!' ... 'beware of that that promotes division'..

Viking

[mojo]

The list of positive experiences with ETs is as long as the negative ones. The Italian friendship case, George Van Tassel, Carlos Diaz, the many people using CE 5 protocols, Dr Greer, Betty and Barney Hill, James Gilliland, Jon Kelly, myself and even some positive cases in John Macks writings. Yet also fully aware of the cases on mutilation, abduction, and other negative experiences. So it really comes down to an extremist pov arguing their side.

[lucidity]

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Anyway Rocky spot on with your comment 'another to hate!' ... 'beware of that that promotes division'..

Viking


Hi Rocky & Viking,

good luck with your personal growth, spiritual evolution... etc.

[Joey]

The world has been a prison planet for thousands of years.

There is a lot of evidence regarding this. It is very painful to read. But the evidence is very convincing.
Read stuff of David Icke, Jim Marrs, Truman Cash and Mark Passio.
This is a lot of evidence based material.

[Innocent Warrior]

There are many credible reports of both, hence there are both hostile and benevolent races. Jacobs' research is stellar but be sure to distil it down to the fundamentals, ignore all unfounded assumptions and stick to the facts.

[Eric J (Viking)]

[

Anyway Rocky spot on with your comment 'another to hate!' ... 'beware of that that promotes division'..

Viking


Hi Rocky & Viking,

good luck with your personal growth, spiritual evolution... etc.

Lol.. remember what Carol Rosin said?


I'll be fine ...
Viking

[ulli]

When looking up at the night sky you get the reflection of down here.
Yes, there is a lot of blackness. Darkness.
Those who can relate to that will always focus on it,
and try to direct others' attention there as well.

All statements of belief say more about the person making the statement than reality itself.
Reality is a stick with two ends, both reach into the infinite...infinite ignorance and fear at one end, and infinite knowledge and love at the other.
We perceive what we direct our internal telescopes at.
Until we dump those telescopes and look with both eyes, we will always be blinkered in our vision.

[seah]

Re OP's question: We live in paradigm of duality therefore we are always presented with two sides, in this case hostile/not hostile.

This will never change, no matter how many stories we read of raised human consciousness, no matter how true they are; the planet consciousness may change but the parameters never will, because the creator of our reality, here, in the 4% universe has established the dichotomy which he/they so desperately require.

Can we, individually, grow to the point where we don't play the 'coin' game anymore? this is the truly important question we need be asking.

[Sunny-side-up]

Just wan't to say a few things here:

To say 'They' as in all ET's are one and the same, is wrong, just like we are not all good or bad.
I never like collective clumping.

Don't forget there is much evidence to say we, in one way or another are more alien then we are officially told!

Yes, there has been shown to be a lot of mutilation, both animal and humans (Don't forget we are animals as well, some more that others)
I have heard that many alphabet-organisations, illegal medical research and probably lots of secrete unknown researchers (All supposedly humans) have been doing a lot of the mutilations, and then there is criminal pressure, intimidation to make people sell out their land.

Then there are all the supposed deals done between government's and some ET's
Then "They" even within good type races, the rouge element that dose what it wants.

So a lot of the cases could well be non-ET, probably the majority.

[Sunny-side-up]

Re OP's question: We live in paradigm of duality therefore we are always presented with two sides, in this case hostile/not hostile.

This will never change, no matter how many stories we read of raised human consciousness, no matter how true they are; the planet consciousness may change but the parameters never will, because the creator of our reality, here, in the 4% universe has established the dichotomy which he/they so desperately require.

Can we, individually, grow to the point where we don't play the 'coin' game any more? this is the truly important question we need be asking.

We are passing into the 'Silver-Age' out of the 'Bronze-Age' which has been so heavily influenced by the 'Iron-Age'
This Silver age will bring about so many new parameters and ways of being, we are feeling the coming effect but in 60-100-500 years these greater energies will grow and so will our perimeters of being!

As posted by Giovanni:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fmj3wzg4Ag

at about the 3/4 mark is the point to watch, but all the vid is very well worth watching!

[Sierra]

Just wan't to say a few things here:

To say 'They' as in all ET's are one and the same, is wrong, just like we are not all good or bad.
I never like collective clumping.

Don't forget there is much evidence to say we, in one way or another are more alien then we are officially told!

Yes, there has been shown to be a lot of mutilation, both animal and humans (Don't forget we are animals as well, some more that others)
I have heard that many alphabet-organisations, illegal medical research and probably lots of secrete unknown researchers (All supposedly humans) have been doing a lot of the mutilations, and then there is criminal pressure, intimidation to make people sell out their land.

Then there are all the supposed deals done between government's and some ET's
Then "They" even within good type races, the rouge element that dose what it wants.

So a lot of the cases could well be non-ET, probably the majority.

Yes. When I see mutilation and death in South America, I don't attribute it to aliens, I attribute it to the drug cartels. The killing is so bad, it actually creates a dip in the life expectancy rates in Mexico. It takes a lot of dying in a short period of time to do that.

I don't think the universe is made up entirely of races with a hive mind, all marching in lock step to destroy us. Neither do I think much of the extremely silly Greer position that all ETs are locked into a position of "good" with only positive intent towards Earth.

That our position looks so dire, seems to have occurred as a direct consequence of our fearless leaders making pacts in the 1940s with the bad guys rather than the good guys...

All for short term gain.

Now that sounds familiar... Er... Who are the bad guys?

Life is grey and foggy down here, at the bottom of the rabbit hole.

[Tangri]

It is good to see "The Alien Agenda " wording instead of ET Agenda.

The Most common mistake these days made by naming ET , instead of Alien Life Forms(which will be terrestrial life forms) It was ALF once, till Hollywood tailored it.

[Eric J (Viking)]

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Anyway Rocky spot on with your comment 'another to hate!' ... 'beware of that that promotes division'..

Viking


Hi Rocky & Viking,

good luck with your personal growth, spiritual evolution... etc.

Lol.. remember what Carol Rosin said?


I'll be fine ...
Viking

Forgot to click in a link...a must listen to those who haven't heard.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qf5SvJpGuv0

Viking

Just a quick thank you Herve...turning out to he an interesting thread...I don't always have the time to post...so thanks and blessings.

Eric

[Eric J (Viking)]

APOLLO ASTRONAUT MITCHELL SAYS ALIENS PREVENTED NUCLEAR WAR ON EARTH TO ENSURE OUR SURVIVAL Jan 11, 2016 Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to ever step foot on the moon, has recently disclosed information that some may find unbelievable or rather improbable. Before we examine Mitchell’s claim lets first shine some light on why he may be someone we can trust, here is a little history: Edgar Mitchell graduated the Carnegie institute of technology in 1952 with a degree in industrial management, he continued his academic career within the US Navy combining his militaristic career with more education and studied another bachelor degree in Aeronautical engineering within the naval post graduate school in 1961. On completion of his post-graduate study, Mitchell went on to gain acceptance at the Massachusetts institute of technology in 1964 – it was within the walls of the MIT that he was awarded a doctorate in the sciences, studying aeronautics and astronautics. In 1966, Mitchell received a secondment to train as an astronaut for NASA – it was within the institution he logged a rather impressive 216 hours and 42 minutes in space – it was in space Mitchell was inspired to say these words: “You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’”. It goes without saying that we are in the presence of a very intelligent, assumingly rational man – all we have to do is take one look at his professional and educational history to gain a firm understanding of the hard work and effort he has put into developing himself; if we cross compare some of the other graduates of MIT to Mitchell, it is easy to see which ballpark he plays in – MIT has given birth to over ten Noble prize winners alone. The disclosure Early 2015, Dr Mitchell told the Mirror Online that during the nuclear tests at White Sands, several witness’s believed they had seen alien spacecraft hovering above the mushroom clouds that emerged as the result of the detonation of atomic bombs. His claims lay in what Mitchell believes were an alien reconnaissance team attempting to discover our military strength, according to Mitchell – the Alien spacecraft would regularly shoot down the missiles and thwart any attempts at testing the high yielding devices. There are many other claims like this reported by missile control officers within the pacific boundary, often officers have claimed to witness strange overhead objects floating around in strange patterns and pursuing erratic flight paths. Why? If Dr Mitchell’s claims are indeed true, we need to work out what the intentions of the supposed aliens were. What on earth were they trying to achieve? There is a school of thought that believes there is a group of alien visitors that keep a tab on us, humanity being the early civilisation that it is, maybe we do have an overwatch – a cosmic balance as it were. When the observer newspaper interviewed Dr Mitchell, he was asked: What exactly were the crashed aliens doing in Roswell (sic)? He responded by telling them that he believed that they were observing our activity on the proving grounds of White Sands nuclear test site. Mitchell goes on to mention that the existence of the alien visitors is kept a secret from the public not due to fear of widespread disbelief, rather, a fear that the monetized interests of big business could go into a state of irrelevance if we were given the chance to harbour the technology. Making sense of the claim What is interesting and different about Edgar Mitchell’s claims is the fact that at no point does he say “yes Aliens are definitely saving us”, more, his claim is rooted in the evidence of eye witnesses and appears to have strong elements of logic and reasoning. As we have entered the atomic age – if there were aliens watching our planet, then surely they would want to ensure that we develop at a pace that is kept safe for the surrounding cosmos. Humanity is but a stone’s throw from interstellar travel – maybe it isn’t at all irrational to believe Dr Mitchell, the scientist with two degrees and a doctorate in relevant fields, that perhaps something is being hidden from the human race. We could potentially be sat on the rock of one of humanities largest discoveries whilst large businesses allegedly hold the keys to the door of full disclosure, will we ever find out for sure? That is the question we all need to ask ourselves from within. My advice, don’t stop digging, don’t stop believing, always question the assumed realities and never stop being human. READ MORE:

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/220290/apollo_astronaut_mitchell_says_aliens_prevented_nuclear_war_on_earth_to_ensure_our_survival/?utm_content=bufferc774a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Viking

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Any agenda of hostility against the Human Race comes largely, almost entirely, from the Human Race itself.

The 'Alien Agenda' is complex, and quite various in my opinion, because there are various races involved (most are onlookers), and whereas there might be and probably is one faction or another that is not benevolent or particularly helpful towards us, the vast majority of ET involvement is, on the contrary, 100% on the side of good.

[Matthew]

Here's a thought. If aliens are on the side of good they may be worried about our disproportionate number of nuclear bombs. I don't see this as the responsibility of TPtuB it's our responsibility. We are humans and this is our human world, the effect is our combined responsibility. We are the bricks in the wall.

So aliens might neutralise one or two bombs or so. We shouldn't have to be babies we have to look after ourselves, yet there is still a ridiculous number of nuclear bombs and very aggresive behaviour between nation states. This is us and what we are like as a species apparently. If the wars and devastation and nuclear threat doesn't subside, and the earth and other animals are at risk.. what should a 'good' alien do?

It's a line of thinking for the sake of a thought experiment. For me it brings to mind how important it might be to take reasonable action and give ourselves a voice.

[Curiosity]

It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

[Eric J (Viking)]

It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there. IMO once we graduate here on earth we will be invited to the higher dimensions of galactic beings. If you don't follow the universal laws then you will be destined to go back to school....

Bumped into this strangely enough...

"GOD'S LAWS
One of the most important things that you must eventually learn is that if you do not do it (this saving of your nation in freedom) USING GOD'S LAWS IN EVERY WAY--YOU WILL BE DESTINED TO FIGHT THE BATTLE AGAIN, AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN UNTIL YOU DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THOSE LAWS BY MURDER AND/OR ANY OTHER WAY WHICH DEFIES THEM. IF YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE "HILL" BY FORCE OF WEAPONS AND DEATH--YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING OTHER THAN POSTPONE THE GLORY--ONE MORE TIME. IF YOU MARCH IN UNISON WITH GOD's LAWS--YOU WILL PREVAIL. WOULD IT NOT BE GLORIOUS TO PREVAIL IN RADIANCE? THIS WILL TAKE SOME PONDERING.
CALL ON GOD FOR HELP
It takes just 3% of you-the-people to change 100% of your circumstances! God will "intervene" when you get ready to ask His participation FOR THE RIGHT REASONS--and those reasons are NOT for your greedy purposes. If you cannot learn the proper lessons and release those physical attachments--you are not ready for the higher experiences nor will you be welcome aboard any placement in the higher realms of total freedom and peaceful life-style among "knowing" life-forms. Even a "warrior for God" who resorts to bullets has not learned his lessons to perfection. The mind is far more powerful than any laser invented--when you are ready to realize it. GOD WAITS. WE, THE HOSTS, ARE AT READY WHEN YOU ARE!"

Viking

[Curiosity]

It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there.
Viking

If they are here they will want/need the resources here. simple as that. Where is there animal, plant or humans anywhere near here? simple as that my friend.

[Eric J (Viking)]

It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there.
Viking

If they are here they will want/need the resources here. simple as that. Where is there animal, plant or humans anywhere near here? simple as that my friend.

Well of course they will need to survive if they are here...it's a rather silly argument my friend ... Your statement that they are all hostile has no foundation.

Don't believe everything you see in the movies...they are designed to plant the wrong seeds.

Viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

A small snip I bumped into...


Are there any lighted brotherhood craft inside the “SECRET” bases? Of course. “Then why don’t you stop that which goes on in evil portent?” Why would we? It is not our business—it is YOUR business. Your adversary is given nothing which will allow MAN into the outer cosmos with his evil tricks—Earth is one of the planets whereon Satan was placed and you have allowed almost 100% corruption. I don’t need your place and if you are of God—neither do you. Shan has evolved and the places secured and wondrouslybeautiful—coulditbeyouallexpectthewrongthings? Isyourworldofhumanspeciesworthy of mass “rapture” into placement of radiance? No, I do not judge any individual—however, I do perceive dark ignorance and refusal to turn away from that which is totally physically-oriented unto flesh sensi- tivities. I know that God says there will be no evil allowed within the perfections of HIS places—and there you have it. That does not mean there is not placement in safety for continuing journey—but it DOES MEAN THAT EVIL SHALL BE LEFT TO THE PHYSICAL PLANE OR LOWER PLANE OF EX- PERIENCE. ICARENOTTHATWHICHYOUCHOOSEEXCEPTTHATILOVEYOUASA PART OF MYSELF AND I WOULD HAVE YOU IN JOY—BUT I HONOR YOUR CHOICES JUST AS DOES CREATOR FOR IT IS NOT MINE TO DO OTHERWISE.
We are there constantly in meeting and reasoning with leaders of your place. They certainly do not tell you of those visits for they plan to terrify you with “presence” of “aliens”. If you knew not about IranGate why thinkyouthattheywouldtellyouGodiscalling? THELASTTHINGTHEYWANTYOUTOKNOW IS THAT GOD IS CALLING.
Do some of the craft that come and go from, say, Nellis Field in Area 51 come from our Command? Yes, and further, your Elite bullies know they cannot do a thing about it—but you see, they also know we will not interfere for our commission is to bring Truth—THE WORD. Well, they too, are being given the word first hand with demonstrations and they still plan to fulfill PLAN 2000 according to their own structuring. Oh yes, at some point it will come to a head—and probabilities are that there will be a “very big bang”. However, that must not be your prime nor urgent concern—you simply need recognize that God is waiting and the Hosts are about our work and in your “space” and if YOU do YOUR work in open awareness, you shall be able to reverse this evil steam-roller. If not, the children who continue to serve God—shall be brought into safety—it is that simple, for we have been sent to show you the way and bring you home. I care not to have anyone aboard my craft who would rather be elsewhere. This is simply the last segment of “time” for choosing.

Viking

[Curiosity]

It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there.
Viking

If they are here they will want/need the resources here. simple as that. Where is there animal, plant or humans anywhere near here? simple as that my friend.

Well of course they will need to survive if they are here...it's a rather silly argument my friend ... Your statement that they are all hostile has no foundation.

Don't believe everything you see in the movies...they are designed to plant the wrong seeds.

Viking

You are stuck on the assumption my opinion is based on TV propaganda and movies. I don't own a TV. My opinion is based on logic and common sense.
Do you think if they were here it would be for the sole purpose of enlightening the human race? If so they would still need the resources here to survive. To be completely benevolent they would have to show themselves and actually become productive citizens of the world. Simple as that. Are they doing that NO. So anything less can be considered hostile because they are taking resources without our consent and most cases taking things that belong to us that directly effects our livelihood. They are taking things without any compensation. They may very well be trading with the governments, but this doesn't benifit the common citizens. In fact it's keeping us suppressed and enslaved to the dollar. So indirectly this is hostile. And if you recall this is what I said. "INDIRECTLY THEY ARE HOSTILE".

So give me an example of aliens being completely benevolent??

[mojo]

give an example of benevolent

...personal contact going on for over 7 years, but maybe you missed the previous response where I listed at least 6 examples of positive contact....

[Curiosity]

give an example of benevolent

...personal contact going on for over 7 years, but maybe you missed the previous response where I listed at least 6 examples of positive contact....

What kinds of benefits to humanity are these 'POSITIVE' contacts leaving us?

[mojo]

First you want an example and now to list the benefits. No disrespect but please do a little research on the cases mentioned for the benefits. For myself, eyes were opened in many ways, even a spiritual component.

[Curiosity]

The list of positive experiences with ETs is as long as the negative ones. The Italian friendship case, George Van Tassel, Carlos Diaz, the many people using CE 5 protocols, Dr Greer, Betty and Barney Hill, James Gilliland, Jon Kelly, myself and even some positive cases in John Macks writings. Yet also fully aware of the cases on mutilation, abduction, and other negative experiences. So it really comes down to an extremist pov arguing their side.

These are personal contacts that may or may not have left positive influence on their way of thinking. In no way dose any of this benefit the masses or even small communities.
Let me give you an example of something positive that came out of the simple idea that ETs crashed here. The town of Roswell built and industry that is still profitable to this day. But the aliens had no direct influence in this.

Let me reiterate, you don't go to someones home and take things without asking and/or compensating them with something of equal value.

They may be trading with governments, however we don't benefit from that. If anything it costs us. Governments will take what they want or sacrifice human life to get what they want.

[bettye198]

From history we could follow the alien need for territorial rights. I believe many of our indigenous tribes, Anasazi, Mayans, Aztecs, Atlantians, Giants in Egypt ( the sculpted bldgs) as example show us that the dominion was prevalent. George Lucas scripted stories of Star Wars. Those were reflected in Electric Wars that went on millions of years ago. His consciousness must of examined that. Gene Roddenberry actually spoke of the Council of Nine when he penned the stories of Star Trek and the Borg. There is more and we can probably think of more examples.

The Dracs and Raptors are fallen angelics. They fought over many planets including the one our own Earth split from. Stewart Swerdlow was not the only one to speak of it. How they feel about themselves as gods with a small g and how they use bodies minds and spirits of human angelics to feed their frenzy on so many levels leaves us in mistrust and lets face it, fear of them, not because of their image but their strength and abilities.

The very last show that aired called Children's End based on Arthur C. Clarke's book was quite horrible. They come with the guise of "helping" and then the slaughter. All I get from these constant worse than apocalyptic stories is the human race is doomed. Every Speilberg movie says the same. ( Close Encounters was the only feel good one) Now its trauma and overlord dominion of the worst kind.

I also believe there are odd and unusual alien beings who ARE angelic and serve the greater good and the Source of Creation of whatever that may be. I just don't believe it is known in the lower dimensions of where we reside.

[Eric J (Viking)]

It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there.
Viking

If they are here they will want/need the resources here. simple as that. Where is there animal, plant or humans anywhere near here? simple as that my friend.

Well of course they will need to survive if they are here...it's a rather silly argument my friend ... Your statement that they are all hostile has no foundation.

Don't believe everything you see in the movies...they are designed to plant the wrong seeds.

Viking

You are stuck on the assumption my opinion is based on TV propaganda and movies. I don't own a TV. My opinion is based on logic and common sense.
Do you think if they were here it would be for the sole purpose of enlightening the human race? If so they would still need the resources here to survive. To be completely benevolent they would have to show themselves and actually become productive citizens of the world. Simple as that. Are they doing that NO. So anything less can be considered hostile because they are taking resources without our consent and most cases taking things that belong to us that directly effects our livelihood. They are taking things without any compensation. They may very well be trading with the governments, but this doesn't benifit the common citizens. In fact it's keeping us suppressed and enslaved to the dollar. So indirectly this is hostile. And if you recall this is what I said. "INDIRECTLY THEY ARE HOSTILE".

So give me an example of aliens being completely benevolent??

You just don't get it Curiosity do you?

Why would they interfere when we are all here to make freewill decisions and for lessons. Planet school is filled with wonder and at times the lessons are hard.

Let's say you are studying and you take an exam to qualify...let's say someone gave you a blatant helping hand and you passed. Would you not think that you have cheated the system?

Why would they interfere with our lessons?

It really is that simple.

Viking

[Curiosity]

It's really simple. Hostile or benevolent? indirectly they are all hostile. All of the alien races lives here depend on the resource this planet provides.
Will they intervene to stop nuclear war? Absolutely, but it wont be because they care about us. They simply need the resources to survive.
The horrible part is we are the workers that provide some of the resources the need. Even worse, we are not only their slaves but probably on the menu for some of them.
The ones that look like us and have infiltrated and taken over the governments of the world only serve to preserve the resources and and control us and keep us disillusioned to reality. It's really simple.

Why on on earth would they want our resources...do you think we are the only planet with what we have...you've been watching too many movies my friend. Whatever we have I am sure there is an abundance up there.
Viking

If they are here they will want/need the resources here. simple as that. Where is there animal, plant or humans anywhere near here? simple as that my friend.

Well of course they will need to survive if they are here...it's a rather silly argument my friend ... Your statement that they are all hostile has no foundation.

Don't believe everything you see in the movies...they are designed to plant the wrong seeds.

Viking

You are stuck on the assumption my opinion is based on TV propaganda and movies. I don't own a TV. My opinion is based on logic and common sense.
Do you think if they were here it would be for the sole purpose of enlightening the human race? If so they would still need the resources here to survive. To be completely benevolent they would have to show themselves and actually become productive citizens of the world. Simple as that. Are they doing that NO. So anything less can be considered hostile because they are taking resources without our consent and most cases taking things that belong to us that directly effects our livelihood. They are taking things without any compensation. They may very well be trading with the governments, but this doesn't benifit the common citizens. In fact it's keeping us suppressed and enslaved to the dollar. So indirectly this is hostile. And if you recall this is what I said. "INDIRECTLY THEY ARE HOSTILE".

So give me an example of aliens being completely benevolent??

You just don't get it Curiosity do you?

Why would they interfere when we are all here to make freewill decisions and for lessons. Planet school is filled with wonder and at times the lessons are hard.

Let's say you are studying and you take an exam to qualify...let's say someone gave you a blatant helping hand and you passed. Would you not think that you have cheated the system?

Why would they interfere with our lessons?

It really is that simple.

Viking

You just made my point and YOU don't get it.

"(Why would they interfere) with our lessons?" or anything .

They wouldn't. They would just take what they want, do as they please.

It really is as simple as that.

[Curiosity]

Here's the thing. For those that think some aliens are here simply to reach out with a helping hand to get us over a hump in learning how to survive on this planet without destroying it, and/or to protect us from malevolent races, it isn't working at all and they should start with the human race because we are the most hostile race in the known galaxy.

We want to believe that they are lurking in the background like a tutor looking for the student that needs a helping hand in understanding the lesson at hand,(seeing them as highly evolve teachers with all the answers), not needing or wanting anything from us, no resources from this planet etc. This is just wishful thinking because you have no faith in the human race, quite understandable.

[Curiosity]

The big news in 2016, hopefully, is that people will begin to realise that the alien agenda is hostile.

be happy

lucidity

In what way?..don't believe it...yes that is the agenda from the PTW...but in reality it is not the case...they want you to think the guys up there are the bad guys...far from tuth Lucid...

Viking

Hi Viking,

Yes, the alien agenda *is* hostile.
They're not here to help you, or us, or humanity generally.
They don't care about pollution or gaia.... or personal growth
Spirituality means nothing to them.
They're not our brothers, they are predators.

But there's lots of different species of aliens.
Which ones specifically am i referring to ?

The Mantids and all the species they already control:
The little greys, the tall greys, (some variety of) reptilian
and lots of human-alien hybrids.
This is the primary crowd that organise the abductions of humans.

There's evidence that this crowd are carnivores and are feeding
on the blood of cows, sheep, horses and even humans. Did you know
that cases of animal mutilations are characterized by the extraction of
all, or nearly all, of the blood in the animal ?
Gallons and Gallons of blood. Like little vampires.
Animal mutilations and wholesale disappearance of flocks and herds
is an ongoing problem and has been happening since the 1950's.
And this *is* happening regularly to human beings and you're *not* being told:
Think i'm joking ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJXAGrcN-E

David Jacobs wrote a book last year called "Walking Among Us".
He makes the distinction between hybrids and hubrids.
Hybrids are what you imagine they are: human/alien hybrids... they look a little like us and a little like them.
Hubrids look exactly like us. You simply can't tell them and us apart.
Except, that hubrids have the ability to control humans.
They can make you do X or make you do Y.
They can put images in your mind.
They can tell you to do things telepathically.
They can make you forget things.

The MIB were hybrids. They didn't look quite like us, they looked a little odd.
Hubrids, look exactly like us. And MIB & Hubrids can control humans, make
them do anything, make them forget anything. Complete control over humans.

And guess what, for the last few years, the aliens have been integrating these
little monsters into our cities and getting abductees to teach them how to fit in,
how to look normal, how to drive cars and pay for things in shops.

They're here to assimilate into our societies and then replace us.
All this sh1t about assisting us with our evolution, my arse. It's war time propaganda!
They're replacing us with hybrids.
They are an existential threat to our species.
Think i'm joking ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEJjHTpCORs

be happy

lucidity

The only thing here I see a bit different is they wont replace the human race, they breed us for slaves and livestock.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Curious and Lucid

No worries...I suppose we are all on different paths.

I will stay on my mine and I'm pretty certain you'll stay on yours.

Good luck and be well.

Viking