Cidersomerset
12th January 2016, 14:54
I posted a couple of threads looking at these early shows and posted the Col Keyhoe
interview on #2 of the thread below. There is also a link to one including Arthur C
Clarke and Major Wayne Ayo. There were a lot of events going on post WW11 and
they were reported here and there. I wonder what it would have been like if they
had the web ?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85224-Arthur-C-Clarke-Major-Wayne-Aho-others....Radio-show-on-UFO-s..2.May.1958
Another interesting thread was about the 'Friends ' in Italy and the sightings
of UFO's over a football stadium while they were playing a national league
match......
The day UFOs stopped play......Florance Italy 1954 // UFO Files of the Italian Air Force
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76303-The-day-UFOs-stopped-play......Florance-Italy-1954-UFO-Files-of-the-Italian-Air-Force
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UFOs The True Story of Flying Saucers Docu - Drama released 1956 // Capt. Mantell Related material
The docu - drama starts at what some consider the beginning of reporting of the
phenomenon , certainly the coining of the term 'Fly - Saucers'. Though we now
know there were incidents predating it and infact throughout known human history.
It is very interesting for it gives you an idea of what was happening back then.
Though it predates by a couple of years it follows hot on the heels of the 1958 UFO
radio show with Arthur C Clark I posted recently , and is opening the veil of
mystique that comes with time and shows they were asking the same questions
back then as we are today. This is an historical piece of information and should be
seen as part of the overall disclosure picture imo.
Arthur C Clarke, Major Wayne Aho + others....Radio show on UFO's..2.May.1958
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85224-Arthur-C-Clarke-Major-Wayne-Aho-others....Radio-show-on-UFO-s..2.May.1958
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The 1947 Kenneth Arnold UFO Sighting
Date: June 24, 1947
Location: Near Mt. Rainier, Washington, United States
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The modern phenomena of UFOs and “flying saucers” began in Washington state on
June 24, 1947, when Kenneth Arnold spotted nine mysterious, high-speed
objects “flying like a saucer would” along the crest of the Cascade Range near
Mount Rainier. His report made international headlines and triggered hundreds of
similar accounts of “flying saucers” locally and across the nation.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case511.htm
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This is the most substantial UFO documentary ever made that portrays the events of
the first UFO sightings. It even features some of the best UFO footage ever captured.
The UFO footage consists of two videos called the Montana Film and the Utah Film.
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The UFO footage features UFOs flying at incredible speed in formation and even circling
each other high in the sky as if to orbit each other. Here is the full movie on YouTube.
Fast forward to the 1:22:00 mark for the original two UFO films.
In 1952 Hollywood producer Clarence Greene saw an unusual object twisting in the sky.
He decided to report the sighting, and contacted US Air Force public information officer
Albert M. Chop, who was in charge of answering UFO questions from reporters and the
public. Intrigued by his experience, Greene decided to film a documentary movie about
the UFO phenomenon. When Chop told Greene about the existence of video footage of
UFOs, Greene obtained the footage for analysis and display in his documentary.
The documentary starts in 1947, with the first widely-publicized UFO sightings in the
United States, including recreations of the Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting, the Mantell
UFO incident, and the Gorman Dogfight. It then traces the development of UFOs as both
a popular fad and a serious concern for the US Air Force. The history of Project Sign, the
first Air Force study of the UFO phenomenon, is discussed. The documentary then
focuses upon Albert M. Chop and his growing involvement with UFOs. Chop is assigned
as the public information officer at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, in
the late 1940s. In that position he is required to answer numerous news media queries
about UFO sightings and what the Air Force knows about them. Although he is initially
portrayed as a UFO debunker, Chop gradually changes his views as the movie
progresses, and he comes to believe that UFOs are unknown, and possibly
extraterrestrial, aircraft. By 1952 Chop has moved to Washington, DC, where he is the
press spokesman for Project Blue Book. The documentary analyzes two famous pieces
of UFO footage: the Mariana UFO Incident of 1950, in which the manager of the Great
Falls, Montana minor-league baseball team claimed to have filmed two UFOs flying over
the baseball stadium, and the 1952 UFO film taken near the Great Salt Lake in Utah by
a US Navy photographer, Delbert Newhouse. The documentary concludes with the
famous 1952 Washington DC UFO incident, in which Albert Chop played a central role.
The documentary recreates Chop's experiences during the incident, and at the end of
the documentary Chop states his belief that UFOs are a "real", physical phenomenon of
unknown origin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_(1956_film)
Secret Montana & Utah UFO Films sequence from end of above docu - drama
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On January 7, 1948, a Kentucky Air National Guard pilot met his death trying to intercept a UFO!
http://www.historyandheadlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/January-7-1948-U.S.-Pilot-Shot-Down-by-UFO.jpg
Digging Deeper
Digging deeper, we find another well documented close encounter, this time of the
deadly kind.Captain Tom Mantell flying his P-51 Mustang was a World War II veteran,
not a civilian or some rookie. Mantell and 3 other Mustang pilots were directed to
intercept a huge round white object, perhaps a football field across! Multiple witnesses
from spots in Ohio and Kentucky, including a sergeant at the Fort Knox control tower
and members of the Kentucky Highway Patrol, had reported the sighting to military air control.
When the others fighter planes turned away from the pursuit due to low fuel or low
oxygen (needed for altitudes over 20,000 feet), Mantell continued to climb after the
object, describing it as of tremendous size. (Air traffic controllers who heard him are in
disagreement about his actual wording.)Mantell’s fighter then began an uncontrolled
spin all the way back to the ground where it crashed, killing the pilot. The most likely
reason for the crash is that Mantell passed out from lack of oxygen, but nobody knows
for sure.
Since this incident was witnessed by so many credible people, including military pilots,
military personnel on the ground and Highway Patrol personnel and since it ultimately
resulted in the loss of a fighter plane and its pilot, this encounter changed the public’s
perception of UFO reports. It was far from being an isolated report from a shady
source, and the shocked public was forced to take it seriously as a result. From that
point on, the public has keenly followed every report of a UFO or other alien encounter.
Numerous associations, clubs and individuals catalog and report on every incident they
come across, from what allegedly occurred at Rendlesham Forest in 1980 to the alleged
UFO sightings in New York City in 2010. Collectively, these incidents continue to
provide a rich source of stories for enthusiasts. This is all largely possibly due to this
early incident with the P-51 Mustang. Even the forerunners to Project Blue Book were
Incepted around this same time.
http://www.historyandheadlines.com/january-7-1948-u-s-pilot-shot-ufo/
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Captain Thomas Mantell UFO Encounter
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the mantell UFO incident
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General Sanford - UFOs appeared over Capitol secured area 1952
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Flying Saucer Statements 1952 USAF Intelligence Chief Major General John
Samford & Donald Kehoe
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Aprox 1 min in above report Gen Sandford says " In pursuit of this obligation since
1947 we have received and analysed between 1 - 2,000 reports ....."
Although Roswell is not mentioned , the year is very significant in UFO lore, and in
the docu - drama Gen Remy is briefly mentioned , he did have a major role in
burying the Roswell incident after the initial press release. It is possible that this
movie was seen as a diversion from the more important incidents at the time , so
may of unwittingly been helpful in the overall cover up ?? ( Just speculating )
The Smoking Gun Of Roswell - The Ramey Memo
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Published on 18 Feb 2014
Two TV clips showing arguably the most convincing evidence to date of a UFO crash
and cover-up at Roswell in 1947.
Clip 1: From the documentary "The Roswell Crash: Startling New Evidence" as seen
on the SciFi Channel (2002).
Clip 2: From the documentary "Conspiracy Files: Mystery At Roswell" as seen on
Discovery Civilisation (2006).
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?85324-UFOs-The-True-Story-of-Flying-Saucers-Docu-Drama-released-1956-Capt.-Mantell-Related-material&p=1000073#post1000073
Chester
13th January 2016, 16:54
Sickening to hear the obvious intentional bias... pure judgmental tone in Mike Wallace's voice. The mainstream media (even then... and likely for as long as there has been a "mainstream") simply makes me sick. His condescension is disgusting.
Almost every "reporter" appears to be either a pure sociopathic liar or so brainwashed themselves or a combination of the two. What a world we might have if the mainstream media (which a large majority of humanity still watches and still believes) would actually get a conscience and a brain.
Flash
13th January 2016, 22:53
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what is soo discouraging is that we are pretty much at the same place we were in the fifties, some 60 years ago. No disclosure, rebuttal by official governments, request to open the files and have some disclosure, even by military personnel, name it. Same same thing 60 years later.
Something is definitely wrong. As something is wrong with having gazoline fed cars 100 years after their invention.
KiwiElf
13th January 2016, 23:13
The "official reports" re the Mantell Case (ie that he was "chasing Venus") are as absurd as the excuses they offer today! ;)
ExomatrixTV
27th May 2023, 19:46
“A Revolutionary Type Of Propulsion Involving An Artificial Gravity Field” Maj. Keyhoe On UFO's, 1964:
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youtube.com/@EyesOnCinema/search?query=UFO (https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnCinema/search?query=UFO)
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