H2O2 Hydrogen Peroxide Dosage..?

[searching101]

Hello all, I live in Europe. Due to recent restrictions regarding over-the-counter chemicals, the highest legal food grade hydrogen peroxide available to purchase is 12%. I'm doing a lot of research regarding dosage. According to "The One-Minute Cure" and all other resources, the ideal "curing" dosage to build up to is 25 drops, 3x a day.

Now here is where I need a little help. My basic approach to this is: 12% x 3 = 36% so I am guessing that multiplying all factors by 3 will match the generally agreed upon dosages. Thus, my goal should be 75 drops, 3x daily, of 12% food grade H2O2. Does this make sense or am I missing something in my "reverse dilution" mathematics?

It seems a few drops to too much can have serious consequences so I want to be precise with, well... drinking bleach. :)

Any and all advice welcome. Please respond with kindness. If your goal is to debunk/dissuade/discourage/de-myth H2O2 usage, please do not reply. Thank you!

[ThePythonicCow]

Hello all, I live in Europe. Due to recent restrictions regarding over-the-counter chemicals, the highest legal food grade hydrogen peroxide available to purchase is 12%. I'm doing a lot of research regarding dosage. According to "The One-Minute Cure" and all other resources, the ideal "curing" dosage to build up to is 25 drops, 3x a day.

Now here is where I need a little help. My basic approach to this is: 12% x 3 = 36% so I am guessing that multiplying all factors by 3 will match the generally agreed upon dosages. Thus, my goal should be 75 drops, 3x daily, of 12% food grade H2O2. Does this make sense or am I missing something in my "reverse dilution" mathematics?

It seems a few drops to too much can have serious consequences so I want to be precise with, well... drinking bleach. :)

Any and all advice welcome. Please respond with kindness. If your goal is to debunk/dissuade/discourage/de-myth H2O2 usage, please do not reply. Thank you!

We can tell others what we personally have or have not done, and we can present results reported by others, but we cannot advise others on what they should do :).

[RunningDeer]

Now here is where I need a little help. My basic approach to this is: 12% x 3 = 36% so I am guessing that multiplying all factors by 3 will match the generally agreed upon dosages. Thus, my goal should be 75 drops, 3x daily, of 12% food grade H2O2. Does this make sense or am I missing something in my "reverse dilution" mathematics?

Welcome to Avalon, searching101. No it's not 36%. It's still 12% because it works it's 'chemical magic' within the hour (or half hour as I recall).

UPDATE: There's a thread - My experience of taking Hydrogen Peroxide 35% food grade, diluted in water (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71893-My-experience-of-taking-Hydrogen-Peroxide-35-food-grade-diluted-in-water&)

[KiwiElf]

It's also been known to cure HIV/AIDS; protocol @ 30% strength was 12 x drops in a glass of water, 2 x per day altho a lower dose to start with is better. This was from Ed McCabe - known as Ozone or Oxygen therapy (and he got locked up for telling everyone about it!)

[Flash]

Of course, Running Deer and other here and in other threads related to health remedies, are only mentioning any treatment they may have taken themselves or have had friends taking it. They are mentioning it here as a personal experience. In no way does is this medical advice or does it replace a medical doctor advice.

This is very important to give that notice, mostly when someone has not understood how the protocol was applied or why, and is changing it or wanting to change it, which could create damages to the system and allows for legal suits. And..... there is always someone somewhere in the numerous readers of threads, even if they never post, that will try something new and often not advisable with a given protocol.

Sorry not to be able to add more in this thread, I have not tried this ozone therapy yet.



Now here is where I need a little help. My basic approach to this is: 12% x 3 = 36% so I am guessing that multiplying all factors by 3 will match the generally agreed upon dosages. Thus, my goal should be 75 drops, 3x daily, of 12% food grade H2O2. Does this make sense or am I missing something in my "reverse dilution" mathematics?

Welcome to Avalon, searching101. No it's not 36%. It's still 12% because it works it's 'chemical magic' within the hour (or half hour as I recall).

UPDATE: There's a thread - My experience of taking Hydrogen Peroxide 35% food grade, diluted in water (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71893-My-experience-of-taking-Hydrogen-Peroxide-35-food-grade-diluted-in-water&)

[Flash]

Hello all, I live in Europe. Due to recent restrictions regarding over-the-counter chemicals, the highest legal food grade hydrogen peroxide available to purchase is 12%. I'm doing a lot of research regarding dosage. According to "The One-Minute Cure" and all other resources, the ideal "curing" dosage to build up to is 25 drops, 3x a day.

Now here is where I need a little help. My basic approach to this is: 12% x 3 = 36% so I am guessing that multiplying all factors by 3 will match the generally agreed upon dosages. Thus, my goal should be 75 drops, 3x daily, of 12% food grade H2O2. Does this make sense or am I missing something in my "reverse dilution" mathematics?

It seems a few drops to too much can have serious consequences so I want to be precise with, well... drinking bleach. :)

Any and all advice welcome. Please respond with kindness. If your goal is to debunk/dissuade/discourage/de-myth H2O2 usage, please do not reply. Thank you!

We can tell others what we personally have or have not done, and we can present results reported by others, but we cannot advise others on what they should do :).

This is good for the USA Paul, in other countries the laws may differ. The fact that the protocols are given on a forum located in the USA means that we have to follow the USA laws to avoid legal suits in the USA. However, if as a Canadian, i suggest something, and it is legal under USA laws, but illegal under Canadian laws, I am still liable in Canada, as a Canadian.

In Canada, like in USA, I can talk of my personal experience or those of friends or acquaintances. But i cannot give advice that could be deemed medical. However, it is not all the products allowed in the USA that are in Canada - despite the bad press our pharmacies have had in the USA, their products being much cheaper in Canada - Canada is much more demanding with products testing than the USA.

Therefore, I could put my finger in my mouth and be biting them by talking of products forbidden in Canada for example.

[ThePythonicCow]

This is good for the USA Paul, in other countries the laws may differ.
What you say is likely all true enough.

I also had a second motive, rather obscure I'll admit, for my "legalese" sounding post. In my view, it's usually better if we each take responsibility for our own care and well being, rather than doing something because that's what someone else said was the thing to do.

[Flash]

This is good for the USA Paul, in other countries the laws may differ.
What you say is likely all true enough.

I also had a second motive, rather obscure I'll admit, for my "legalese" sounding post. In my view, it's usually better if we each take responsibility for our own care and well being, rather than doing something because that's what someone else said was the thing to do.

lol

it sounds like you are telling me to mind my own business. Is it that?

Although I do admit that I do think too that each one should take care of their own health as well, and do the research they need to do in order to understand what to do, instead of following advises given to them (unless it is an invitation to research and understand).

Realistically, lots of people don't - I do watch myself when giving some information related to health, because of this. I will always give the references and say someone else wrote... said.... experienced... or I did X for myself or for my daughter. And my doctor does too, when giving information related to health that has to do with natural medicine, sadly. He will tell, "I am not allowed to tell that X research was saying Y, and I cannot tell you that this herb does....., so I am not telling you". Up to me to understand lol

[ThePythonicCow]

it sounds like you are telling me to mind my own business. Is it that?
Nah ... hardly :).

My only intention that I am aware of, which I failed miserably to achieve, was to suggest to our new member, searching101, that he take charge of his own health, if and to the extent that he is not already doing exactly that.

[RunningDeer]

Hello all, I live in Europe. Due to recent restrictions regarding over-the-counter chemicals, the highest legal food grade hydrogen peroxide available to purchase is 12%.
You referenced a 12% grade. Clarification, I used “Certified 35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide”. I can only speak to that product. Please check out that other thread.

This is from my post on June 28, 2014 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?71893-My-experience-of-taking-Hydrogen-Peroxide-35-food-grade-diluted-in-water&p=848305&viewfull=1#post848305):

I’m reading the, “True Power of Hydrogen Peroxide: Miracle Path to Wellness,” by Mary Wright. (2014 Edition) Her protocol is different than in the OP.

The 144 page book came with 1 Quart 35% Food Grade H2o2, and an amber glass dropper bottle @ PureHealthDiscounts.com (http://www.purehealthdiscounts.com/1ptbook1db.htm)

Mary Wright suggests distilled or filtered water or juice, but do not pre-mix juice in advance. And Always skip the 7th day. If you miss a schedule time, do not double up. Wait until the next one.


Week One: 4 drops in 6 oz of liquid, 2 times a day.
Week Two: 6-8 drops in 8 oz of liquid, 2 times a day/3 times a day if you feel comfortable with it.
Week Three and thereafter: 7+ with 8 oz of liquid. Increase this by 1 or 2 more drops in 8 oz of liquid, 2 or 3 times a day as each week passes as you feel comfortable with.


Warning signs of excessive usage:”If your eyes start becoming bloodshot looking you are over oxygenating or your are experiencing notable stomach discomfort, stop for 2 days and return at a lower level.”

“Be very careful evolving past 20 drops at a time. Beyond that level will be too high for most people. Exercise caution before increasing to high mega-dosing. Excessive usage is counter-productive.”

As part of the protocol, Wright says: “Always skip the 7th day. This is advisable for all supplements you take. This allows your body to rest and to balance out any excesses you my be developing. This applies to all dietary and health supplements except any prescription medication your are taking. Do not skip prescriptions.”


Several other points from Mary Wright’s material:

“Food grade” is important because it means that the hydrogen peroxide is certified to meet government and industry standards for being used with food. Therefore, “assurance that it does not have contaminants, toxins, cancer-causing and toxic heavy metals and other harmful ingredients.”

She goes on to explain that merchants offer hydrogen peroxide that claims to be “food grade” when it’s not. “The only true food grade manufactured in the US is in 35% and 50% concentration. It’s produced in a limited number of monitored and certified refiners, with quality and purity checked by government inspectors to be devoid of certain harmful additives, heavy metals and stabilizers that are extremely destructive to the human body.”

“Why would anyone sell non-food grade falsely claiming it is? There are many reason. The foremost reason is that it costs far less to buy industrial hydrogen peroxide. Cheap industrial hydrogen peroxide also is more stable, so is easier to store for a long period of time and is more stable for shipping. They even boast their hydrogen peroxide can be stored in a super cold freezer and it won’t freeze. This is because it is not food grade and therefore has chemicals in it that serve to act like anti-freeze. Pure HP has a higher freezing point than 100% water, but it will freeze…

For that reason, putting true certified 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide in the freezer can alter the concentration level and cause separation because food grade hydrogen peroxide has no harmful chemicals to act as stabilizers and anti-freeze.”

[sirdipswitch]

Don't forget your Magnesium supliment!! Cells need it to absorb Oxygen!!! No Mag and Oxygen turns into Free Radicals and can do more harm than good.

Another good way to get both, is something else I use. MSO4!!!! MSO4??? Yep!!! I bathe in it!! Once or twice a week, depending on how I feel. EPSOM SALT - MSO4. Magnesium, Sulfer, 4Parts Oxygen. It will soak right through your skin. Fill tub with LUKE WARM Water, then get in tub.... then pour in 2 cups E Salt. Kick back and relax for 15 -20 minutes. HOT WATER will make the Oxygen evaporate too quickly!

"I"... Think this does ME... good...

YOU, may think however you want!!!ccc

Works great for severe Sun Burn, also.:wizard:

[sigma6]

You referenced a 12% grade. Clarification, I used “Certified 35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide”. I can only speak to that product. Please check out that other thread.

I think his logic is right, i.e. you can use the existing instructions based on 35% food grade which used to be the standard, and triple it, I think there is a lot of room for error... the general rule of thumb being take as much as you can handle... it's awful tasting stuff... so as long as you are not burning yourself... and it's not so much a "bleach" as it is an oxidator... a deadly enemy to germs and viruses... especially the anaerobic kind.. at the end of the day it is plain water with extra oxygen "pumped" into it making the bonds unstable and wanting to release that oxygen... ideally on contact with nasty germs and viruses...

It used to be in a lot of toothpastes (remember brushing and watching your mouth foam like a rabid dog?) You can still recreate that by taking a tiny splash of 3% (the dollar store, non consumable kind, but designated for gargling, cleaning wounds, etc...) in your mouth before you brush with your fave (hopefully calcium based, non fluoride) toothpaste and you will see how simple it is to recreate that (and it does an amazing job too!...) and for some funny reason whenever I do that it reminds me of a different time... (when they used to make products better perhaps?... ) as for consumption it used to gross me out... and it was difficult keeping track of how many drops I was dropping... lol... ironically it has a weird "chemical taste"...

I also think the idea that they are imposing a limit of 12% under some artificial reasoning... yes technically I could say it is safer because 35% is downright caustic... but making on it is anything more then highly oxygenated water is disturbing... yeah... treat it somewhat like bleach, in a safe container, away from children... but it's not like it's a dangerous pharmaceutical drug, that is killing millions of people... o.O? (which are distributed like candy by doctors making money hand over fist...)





...and whatever you do, don't listen to what doctors say just because some corporation that is controlled by big pharma which is in turned controlled by elite families making billions off the stupidity and death of millions of Americans tells you that only a Doctor can have an opinion... that is nothing more then mind control hiding under health and safety... an abuse of their power, responsibility and duty, and will continue to be so until we do something about it, which won't happen of course until we develop enough presence of mind to see it for what it is and call it out...

it drives me insane when I hear people say that because they hears others say it, who are in fear of being sued and penalized, and then it becomes a mantra, like it contains some profound wisdom... it's amazing how these things creep into our subconscious... without our even being aware of it... and sadly it actually lowers our collective intelligence and individual creative thought process... but that's the whole game isn't it? ';-)

[RunningDeer]

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[guayabal]

I'm willing to take some hydrogen peroxide to see how it goes but I can't get the "food grade" stuff easily. Fortunately, I found this informative post that raise an interesing point about "not food grade" peroxide. A copy/paste for my reference follows (from https://greatapethoughts.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/drinking-hydrogen-peroxide-to-cure-disease/ ):


TheSparko
Jun 25, 2013 @ 07:16:25

okay, I see your cause of concern.
I also recognize everyone’s immediate dispute involving the practice of medicine, pharmaceutical companies and the legitimacy of oxygen therapy as a whole.

After researching, and really just getting a strong insight on the whole phenomena – I’ve noticed that your argument for the danger of FOOD grade (35%) on the human body is completely justified. Food grade peroxide is extremely hazardous to the body – and will cause burns & death if ingested.

However, now I ask you keep an open mind about this. Firstly, the correct way to actually ingest hydrogen peroxide is to dilute it. there are different measures for how much one should dilute it, but the general idea is to dilute it down so it does not cause any severe problems. Oxygen toxicity and internal burns therefore no longer become an issue – because the amount you actually take in is very dilute. The idea is to take it over a longer period of time, in small dosages.

I would also like to address the inherent problems with your ‘studies’. Without meaning to be rude, but those links are not studies at all, they are in fact articles from government-backed websites that only serve to agree with my previous statements. Yes, 35% Food grade HP WILL cause some serious problems if one is misinformed enough to ingest it. Furthermore, none of your articles provide any specific information as to how much Hydrogen peroxide has been taken. I have avoided mentioning the evermore visible systemic problems with the foundations of our modern healthcare structure – but it is important that I point out that this concern of HP being dangerous is a fallacy in it’s own right.

‘Food grade’ HP is being sold illegally due to the idea that normal, brown bottle over the counter HP contain unsavory stabilizers, and other preservatives. This is seeded from a large distrust of the FDA, and pharmaceutical companies alike. The truth is, a 3% bottle is comprised of 97% distilled water, and 3% HP – nothing else. When in contact with sunlight, the HP will naturally dissolve into into it’s more fundamental components – hence why it is kept in a brown bottle. So, the idea of this ‘food grade’, 35% solution is product that solely adheres to the paranoia of the public. The FDA is trying to stop illegal sales of this product because yes, it is dangerous if ingested, but it also fails to recognize that the FDA, combined with other pharma companies are the sole reasons that this product is being shipped illegally in the first place. The only way to solve this is to take some advice, and just stick to ordinary brown bottle stuff. After checking the back of the label on my own brand of HP – I’ve discovered that it contains Phenacetin and phosphoric acid. Phosphoric acid is contained within coca cola, and phenacetin, which is contained in vicks cold tablets and is a non-opiod pain reliever. These are both completely harmless when taken in such small amounts.

Now, in terms of HPs effectiveness at fighting disease – this is probable something that most of us here have actually overlooked. You seem to use the word ‘pseudoscience’ to describe it. But is there the slightest possibility that you have perhaps misjudged this entirely and jumped to conclusions too quickly? I mean, yes – you do have a legitimate concern for high concentration HP being sold uninformed buyers – which would result in dangerous outcomes. But now that we have established that no longer becomes an issue if a sensible dosage is taken – could there be room for now a legitimate, working theory as to how HP does actually help the body?

If part of you is thinking yes, then I shall try and explain as briefly as possible. Let’s go back to the start – you ingest HP in a sensible, non harmful dosage. You get a massive boost in oxygen going throughout your whole system – this will seem pleasant too, as it will give you more energy. and sure, it will kill off bacteria as it doesn’t live in the presence of oxygen. But this won’t cure cancer or do anything spectacular at all. The real ‘miracle’ is in what it does to your body’s pH. It turns it into an alkaline state. Now, what’s the significance of this you may ask? well this study: http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/Killing_Cancer_Cells_with_High_pH_Therapy.html <– shows that high ph therapy actually kills cancer cells. Of course, this study is actually exclusive from HP all together , as they treated the patients with Cesium, and not HP.

I understand that this may not be conclusive evidence to a skeptic, but I hope not to convince you with a mini essay I wrote at 8 in the morning, but only to expose you to the possibility that there is something far more significant that we, and the modern world of medicine have overlooked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXWXhp6aFuw Here is a video of a doctor who is well established with this new area of medicine – he will confirm the mechanics of how HP actually works, and also give insight into a case of pH/oxygen therapy. My main critical point is that oxygen therapy basically works under the principles of pH therapy (increasing pH). And thus, oxygen therapy is only a redundant term.

That's it (:, forgive me for any poor grammar, as i wrote this at 7 in the morning, so it's a little raw! I would also like to apologize for the length of this post and would like to thank you for your patience in reading it.

[searching101]

Hello all and thank you so much for the feedback. I do understand the sensitivity required for legal reasons. Thank you for clarifying what can and cannot be discussed here. Sadly, I don't think anyone else has run into this issue yet as the laws in Europe are quite recent. But in truth, I'm not looking for medical advice, I'm actually looking for math help :D

That said, I believe I have answered my own question and I will share it here for the next euro oxygen seeker:

General internet research tells me that one liquid drop is defined as 0.05 mL.

36% dilution inside 0.05 mL will contain 0.01800 solute (or 'pure' H202 in this case)

12% dilution inside 0.05 mL will contain 0.00600 solute (or 'pure' H202 in this case)

and therefore

36% dilution inside 0.15 mL (3 drops) will contain 0.01800 solute (or 'pure' H202 in this case)

So using 3 drops of 12% for every 1 drop of 35% in the generally-accepted dosage charts (One-Minute Cure etc) will come out the same in the end (with a marginal difference of 0.0005 solute in 36% compared to 35% commonly found in the U.S.)

If you don't trust my math, feel free to work your own magic. I found this site very helpful: http://www.physiologyweb.com/calculators/percent_solutions_calculator.html

By this logic, you can multiply your 3% or 6% appropriately. However, it is vital, of course that one use FOOD GRADE H2O2, in my non-medical-advice-giving opinion. I'm currently on 24 drops 3x daily, the equivalent of 8 drops a day using 35% food grade H2O2. My end goal will be 75 drops 3x daily, the equivalent of 25 drops at 35%. I'm eager to see what kind of results come. I'll do my best to report back from time to time. Thank you all again for you help and a big thanks to Running Deer for pointing me to that other thread!