The new “OBEDIENCE TO GOVERNMENT” system from CHINA

[drneglector]

Recent reports out of China describe a new system, in which citizens receive scores based on their obedience to government. This is a kind of game. It encompasses, at the very least, online behavior. Apparently, people are taking to it like ducks to water. They’re proud to announce their high scores for acting like good machines. They like it.

http://www.infowars.com/china-just-launched-the-most-frightening-game-ever-and-soon-it-will-be-mandatory/

[KiwiElf]

Thread already exists - perhaps these could be merged?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87606-Sesame-Credit-Mandatory-by-2020--in-China-&p=1030971#post1030971

[drneglector]

Thread already exists - perhaps these could be merged?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87606-Sesame-Credit-Mandatory-by-2020--in-China-&p=1030971#post1030971


Yeah... they should be merged. Sorry about that. I forgot to check if somebody already had posted it.

[Sunny-side-up]

I like the idea of a system based around something like this:

Government heads as Civil-Servants should be just like their Job description says. Servants to the country and it's citizens! Not as Hi Pay'd, Up-Themselves controllers with their own agendas! Be examples to all.

Citizens rewarded for being good people, rewarded for helping each other, rewarded for being good citizens, all feeling equal and worthwhile.

A system where we all know we are pulling together for the betterment of the whole!

No one should feel like a good robot, no one should feel like they can treat anyone like an expendable machine.

[Pam]

I like the idea of a system based around something like this:

Government heads as Civil-Servants should be just like their Job description says. Servants to the country and it's citizens! Not as Hi Pay'd, Up-Themselves controllers with their own agendas! Be examples to all.

Citizens rewarded for being good people, rewarded for helping each other, rewarded for being good citizens, all feeling equal and worthwhile.

A system where we all know we are pulling together for the betterment of the whole!

No one should feel like a good robot, no one should feel like they can treat anyone like an expendable machine.


Do you really think it will work this way? I don't.

Do you want your life reduced to a "score" given to you by a criteria determined by your government? Do you need a score to determine whether you are doing the right thing?

Do you understand all of the possibilities for corruption and manipulation?

Do you think the scores given to government heads are going to be issued under the same standards that the citizens are?

Are you aware that under this system your "score" will be lessened if you associate with others with lower scores?


Think about it, really think about it.

[Bia]

Sunny-side-up, I like that. I just don't think we need to be externally rewarded. I think the happiness we get by being kind is enough.
The only true freedom will come when we can all become brothers and sisters. But for that to happen, we will have to deserve to be free from those who control our societies today.

[Sunny-side-up]

Sunny-side-up, I like that. I just don't think we need to be externally rewarded. I think the happiness we get by being kind is enough.
The only true freedom will come when we can all become brothers and sisters. But for that to happen, we will have to deserve to be free from those who control our societies today.

YES Bia that is what I was trying to say and believe in!
:) what I meant by reward, is in relation to the Monetary-Reward giving you a higher place in sociality as it is now!
If yet rid of money rewards, most who have loads of money now would be of no use at all


Do you really think it will work this way? I don't.

Do you want your life reduced to a "score" given to you by a criteria determined by your government? Do you need a score to determine whether you are doing the right thing?

Do you understand all of the possibilities for corruption and manipulation?

Do you think the scores given to government heads are going to be issued under the same standards that the citizens are?

Are you aware that under this system your "score" will be lessened if you associate with others with lower scores?


Think about it, really think about it.

peterpam I don't mean government heads giveing "scores" as rewards, the system, you and me give the rewards.
Those who wan't to be government heads, those that would also work with compassion to the world and it's creatures/beings, would do so at a regular level of pay, like the rest of us doing what we can to help. Help each other not just your own closed pocket!


The system we have now is 99% corrupt, and those have 99% wealth! the 1% mega corrupt have 99% of said wealth, that is how this system is backed! You and me are cannon fodder slaves, we could be servants to each other and do the best we just by being given a big smile!

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the wealthy people who do great things for people and the planet!

[lucidity]

I think the USA currently has it's own 'obedience' measures.

If you don't do what a policeman tells you....
you'll get hit with a baton and/or
you'll get tasered and/or
you'll get beaten up and/or
you'll get thrown in police cells.

I think the Chinese system is more humane.
What's wrong with a scoring system ?

[Pam]

Sunny-side-up, I like that. I just don't think we need to be externally rewarded. I think the happiness we get by being kind is enough.
The only true freedom will come when we can all become brothers and sisters. But for that to happen, we will have to deserve to be free from those who control our societies today.

YES Bia that is what I was trying to say and believe in!
:) what I meant by reward, is in relation to the Monetary-Reward giving you a higher place in sociality as it is now!
If yet rid of money rewards, most who have loads of money now would be of no use at all


Do you really think it will work this way? I don't.

Do you want your life reduced to a "score" given to you by a criteria determined by your government? Do you need a score to determine whether you are doing the right thing?

Do you understand all of the possibilities for corruption and manipulation?

Do you think the scores given to government heads are going to be issued under the same standards that the citizens are?

Are you aware that under this system your "score" will be lessened if you associate with others with lower scores?


Think about it, really think about it.

peterpam I don't mean government heads giveing "scores" as rewards, the system, you and me give the rewards.
Those who wan't to be government heads, those that would also work with compassion to the world and it's creatures/beings, would do so at a regular level of pay, like the rest of us doing what we can to help. Help each other not just your own closed pocket!


The system we have now is 99% corrupt, and those have 99% wealth! the 1% mega corrupt have 99% of said wealth, that is how this system is backed! You and me are cannon fodder slaves, we could be servants to each other and do the best we just by being given a big smile!

Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the wealthy people who do great things for people and the planet!


Thank you, Sunny!!! I think I misinterpreted your comment. I am so apprehensive about any thing like this. No matter how a system like this starts out, eventually, it will be corrupted. Even if started with the most altruistic of reasons. As long as we humans stay at the level of awareness we currently exist at I would be greatly suspicious of anything like this. There are a million reasons why a score could be manipulated for the benefit of someone or something else. And that is even without government intervention.

[6pounder]

Iets put it this way. If you have a score system for being good towards other (nothing about government) you will start to see alot of "fake" will of people to be of that kind and "fake" care of each other and earth etc. Good deeds are felt. You don't need to be good to have a better score. You need to be good because you believe that's the way to live your life. If you chose otherwise that's your decision. We don't halp others to be thanked, and we shouldn't. I'm who I am and I happy being who I am. I chose to be who I am because I believe it's the best for me and all who surrounds me.

[AuCo]

and this http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1939162-china-security-chinese-electronics-force-you-to-abide-by-chinese-censorship/?utm_source=Epoch10&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2

China is desperate. Well, it will be interesting.

[Matthew]

My frame of reference is my UK Government. I don't like the sound of a government run points based approval system. What little I know the Etonian way is to revel in the differences between classes .. I'm not convinced they can relate to me (one of the great unwashed so to speak). Karl Marx's theory of alienation comes to mind and possibly this is ironic but I would not trust the Chinese government for the same reason.

Governments job is for us to approve (or disaprove) them and not the other way round.

[TigaHawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHcTKWiZ8sI

This explains it far better than anyone in this thread has done so far sorry :S

It outlines the scary issues that come with this. People will be isolated (people that do not agree with government ideas) and alienated from their friends as being friends with someone with a low score drags down your score. It is currently opt in but will be mandatory in the near future. Just as currently there are no punishments for being a low scorer.... but there will be....

Why should i be restricted from being able to get into a certain job because i think the government is a bunch of psychotic assholes? Hell i work for government now and i hate their freaking guts!! My like or dislike of something does not effect my ability to perform a job - and they know this - it's purely about training their citizens via social media on how they should behave. IE - Like government propaganda -you're a good citizen have some points. Question the government propoganda? Bad citizen. You loose points and now you cant apply for these jobs!