The Area 51 'Alien Interview' video

[jimmer]

For years the internet has been a buz over the original alien interview
footage. Some experts were convinced it was real.
In 2008 'Victor' resurfaces and along the way challenged
anyone to out the alien in the interview as a puppet.
Well, it's been done.

As a refresher, here's the original footage.
'I'm sorry, it's very hard for me to watch this.'


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7uqP46zdsA

Now, here's the story that uncovers the 'alien' as a 'real' puppet.
Next, outing the identity of his charlatan, Victor?
Someone please...

http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/the-alien-interview/

Lastly, who is this guy, Forgetomori, anyway?

[Bluewool]

Here is the follow up interview filmed in June 2008.Victor is asked about 911 and 2012.Jury is out on this one but if Thomas Castello can retrieve stuff from Dulce.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw&feature=related

[jimmer]

hi bluewool,
are you saying that the alien puppet is real?

[Bluewool]

Probably not,I have seen that photo before but some more info on the person with the puppet should resolve it.Not sure it's an exact match either.Posted the follow up interview as only just happened across it a few days ago.Victor is more than a little annoying!

[jimmer]

there incredible mysteries that defy explanation.
that's why we're here: to delve, investigate and find the truth.
the alien interview can clearly be eliminated from the list,
unless someone can provide some hard facts.

[Bill Ryan]

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I do tend to believe this video is real.

A few years ago I talked at length with Sean David Morton - who was contacted by the original Area 51 source, with the video. Sean is pretty smart, and was convinced that both source and video were authentic.

[Ahkenaten]

I am no expert on the subject but my feeling is that this video is genuine and it is very very disturbing on the empathy level to know someone is in such obvious distress. If I were in such an alien's shoes, knowing how bad human beings are capable of being, I not only would be terrified picking up the vibes, but also I would be extremely distressed being trapped and separated from my friends and companions. This is very, very bad if we in fact have such beings under lock and key. Bad enough that we mistreat humans, animals, plants and other beings here - but I shudder to think what the moral consequences will be for mistreatment of advanced beings. This video is very upsetting.

[Banshee]

unless someone can provide some hard facts.

astute comment.:drama:

[witchy1]

I really felt a real empathy for the little guy to be honest. Call me crazy!

[Ahkenaten]

I am almost in tears over this film clip - I should add to the potential moral consequences of poor treatment of advanced beings by humans - as if our ledger sheet isn't already clogged with negatives - the potential practical consequences. If I were a member of an advanced race I would not be happy about this and I would be planning to free my colleagues.

[Banshee]

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[SPIRIT WOLF]

Here is the follow up interview filmed in June 2008.Victor is asked about 911 and 2012.Jury is out on this one but if Thomas Castello can retrieve stuff from Dulce.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw&feature=related

Pieces of a puzzle, if exist and can be shown to be valid. Strange that 2008 Victor vid, either I'm losing it bigtime or is part two the same virtually as part one?

[Banshee]

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[Ahkenaten]

Empathy is basic to living beings. I wouldn't have believed it unless I saw it myself that animals we think of as mortal enemies have been videotaped befriending one another. A great example in recent years is that baby hippo/tortoise story from Indonesia. Human infants (unless something is wrong with them) show empathy by reacting to distress in other infants by trying to comfort them. Of course efforts are made through relentless TV and Movie programming to desensitize humans and neutralize the natural empathy response, which is deliberate and all part of the plan to degrade us as a species so that we are more compliant slaves. This video is very upsetting and almost makes me give up hope altogether for our species. Honestly it is very difficult to stay positive under the onslaught of real negatives like this.

Banshee we are worse than animals. Animals are innocent and have no plan or motive to do bad things - they live in the moment. It is WE who LIE, plot and scheme. I am with you 100%. I don't know what we can do to correct the situation let alone atone for past bad deeds and there are many.

[jimmer]

frankly, I just don't get this buy in.
lots of experts thought it was real.
of course, many expert believe it's a stiff, inarticulate puppet (expert sfx master, rick baker).
what about the 'puppet' photo in the story? someone please explain how you discount that.
it's obviously the same subject as in the video.
at some point, your lying eyes are telling you the truth.
isn't it our duty to to discount frauds. yes?
what say you, bill?

[Ahkenaten]

I agree it is possible the whole thing is an elaborate ruse but the fact remains that even if that were true the underlying motives for people to stage something like this go to the core of the matter - WE are the fundamental problem. Even if exalted beings of advanced development came here with good intentions more than likely, based on our history, we would mistreat them. WHAT is wrong with us? THIS is a question that must be addressed. And - can we do anything to correct the situation?

[str8thinker]

Looking at that alien makes me feel like a missionary in a pot. If Bill considers it real, that'll do me for now till further facts emerge. There's no way of deciding whether it's real or fake. I disagree that the human's hands seem to be Photoshopped, I mean he might have bad arthritis or something (compare his hands with those of David Icke). It's time to bring ET (or the puppet) out of the dark ages and into the light.

[Banshee]

I agree it is possible the whole thing is an elaborate ruse but the fact remains that even if that were true the underlying motives for people to stage something like this go to the core of the matter - WE are the fundamental problem. QUOTE]

So you are saying that the "ends justify the means". Intersting position. I feel as though I have heard that somewhere before....... doesn't really speak to truth though does it? Pretty much the philosphy that got us into this human mess of a stew to begin wtih. We are our own worst enemy.

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[QUOTE=Ahkenaten;77037]I agree it is possible the whole thing is an elaborate ruse but the fact remains that even if that were true the underlying motives for people to stage something like this go to the core of the matter - WE are the fundamental problem. Even if exalted beings of advanced development came here with good intentions more than likely, based on our history, we would mistreat them. WHAT is wrong with us? THIS is a question that must be addressed. And - can we do anything to correct the situation?

nevermind. i misread your post. You are right of course.

[witchy1]

Now, here's the story that uncovers the 'alien' as a 'real' puppet. Next, outing the identity of his charlatan, Victor? Someone please...
http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/the-alien-interview/

Hi Jimmer, I cant get this link to work. Is it still active -thanks
W

[Ahkenaten]

Banshee - yes I agree it is about removing consent. Saying "Basta" - enough. I hope you are not correct when you say that no one is willing to make a sacrifice. I think the moment of truth is approaching where taking sides on these issues will be unavoidable......by sides I mean, chosing to be a genuine human being or an energetic being of light, or being a dull slave. TPTB know this...............and I personally believe they have lost control of the paradigm and that is why things have escalated to this absurd level of shrill shrieking on various subjects. AND it is true, in this sense, because of the stakes, which are very high - ALL THREADS ARE CONVERGING. This is the changing physics of our reality. Meantime I am trying to stay positive, which is a challenge given the torrent of horrific negatives of which this film clip of an ET or supposed ET is but one piece. And Yes, Let's do have lunch but I want a nice salad OK?;)

[witchy1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_...eature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEFJ_C-wdlw&feature=related)

So does anyone know where rumsfield was in march - it makes sense that he is concentrating on being one of the "elect specimens" to leave before the sh** hits the fan. I also believe that et's are fully aware that WE are not all the same.
Also the UFO at 6.20 of above vid was interesting??

[Ahkenaten]

HAHAHAHAHA Witchy you are a riot! Anyway as Alice said it just gets "curioser and curioser!" Boredom is NOT one of our problems!

[Banshee]

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[witchy1]

refer post # 22, any one know where the miscreat was in march or how to find out?

[Ahkenaten]

I don't know but I heard he owns ranch land nextdoor to the actress Julia Roberts. If anyone knows her maybe she would know.

[witchy1]

I'll pop in next time Im in the neighborhood:suspicious:

All I can see is the article where he could not get dismissed the allegation of torture
March 5 (Bloomberg) -- Former U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld lost a bid to dismiss a lawsuit by two former U.S. workers for an Iraqi security firm who claimed they were wrongly detained and suffered cruel, inhumane treatment.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-05/donald-rumsfeld-loses-bid-to-dismiss-lawsuit-by-two-u-s-men.html

[Ahkenaten]

Hey Witchy I wonder if Victor was wearing a Rubber Rumsfeld mask? That would account for his muffled voice and the magnified breathing............it had to be pretty hot in there out in that desert wouldn't it? Did the disguised voice by any chance ring any bells for you? It did for me upon listening and re-listening to it.

[witchy1]

Hey Witchy I wonder if Victor was wearing a Rubber Rumsfeld mask? That would account for his muffled voice and the magnified breathing............it had to be pretty hot in there out in that desert wouldn't it? Did the disguised voice by any chance ring any bells for you? It did for me upon listening and re-listening to it.

Hi A, yes, I was listening for voice recognition, but didnt detect anyone I knew,,,,,,,, who did you think it was?

On a more serious note I think the man is dying (probably lung cancer by the sound of his breathing) I guess hes got reason to be piss** at the world if you look at it from his perspective. Did anyone ever do a search of the facility - request info under the FOI act? He has a point about the lack of follow up in the community (imho) how many just cant wait to get their "story" out there without any research into it. clearly this is what he thought was going to happen thru his disclosure. Yes he was paid, but we all have our different motives, and my guess is he hasnt lead a particularly happy life, and feels justified in his comments. Now faced with the end he is seeking closure on a few matters, as in this vid.

The reporter (as often happens) showed him no empathy, in fact said in as much, well you got paid and you made the phone call. (like he just had to make that known) I myself thought he was rude and arrogant, and certainly would not have inspired me into disclosing anything else. Dont they know gaining trust in a person is the way to get what you want. (communcations 101) He clearly hid behind a camera, did not get his consent to bring along anyone else (big mistake) and was a pi** poor interviewer. I would not have given him the time of day to be honest. Mind you thats probably just me.......pet hate: pushy people.

I think that these people risk a lot by disclosing what they know, and that needs to be acknowledged. They dont have to say anything at all, so applaud him for that.

That being said, he didnt come across as being the most pleasant person on the planet and it may have been a difficult interview. But they had met previously, so shouldnt have been quite so confronting.

Whoops, I think Ive wandered off into my own thoughts again ........sorry A. I will stay more focussed next time:laugh:

[jimmer]

Hi Jimmer, I cant get this link to work. Is it still active -thanks
W

just tried the link in your 'quote' and it worked.
must be a browser issue. try another one and see what appears to be a deal breaker, witchy.

btw: this thread has gone off the beam.

[Ahkenaten]

Witchy - I agree that Victor seems a little odd. But the voice sounded familiar somehow. Did it sound like Dan Burisch to you? It sort of did to me, with the speech pattern and manerisms but maybe I am wrong I often am when it comes to things like this. Anyway my antennae is up on this one. Even so I found the film (sans the audio portion) to be believable and disturbing.

[ExHaLaTiON]

I am no expert on the subject but my feeling is that this video is genuine and it is very very disturbing on the empathy level to know someone is in such obvious distress. If I were in such an alien's shoes, knowing how bad human beings are capable of being, I not only would be terrified picking up the vibes, but also I would be extremely distressed being trapped and separated from my friends and companions. This is very, very bad if we in fact have such beings under lock and key. Bad enough that we mistreat humans, animals, plants and other beings here - but I shudder to think what the moral consequences will be for mistreatment of advanced beings. This video is very upsetting.

the being cant be that advanced if we have him under lock and key.

[Ahkenaten]

You are right I guess unless outside of their vessels they are vulnerable.......................I guess I got carried away empathizing with it, whatever it was!

[WhiteFeather]

This has probably been posted prior Im sure. I just came across this video on YT. The DNI Dept of Naval or National Intelligence Level 27 Alien Interrogation Video.
Some Different perspectives from Hollywood Make Up artists and then Bob Dean Chimes in at 7:15 and gives his thoughts on this Interrogation Video. Interestingly enough he believes this is actually authentic. He states " You have A Tiger By Its Tail Here" I myself thought it to be authentic as well.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6avkd1Tm1I&feature=related

[Mark]

That's pretty amazing video right there. Wanishi!

Nice find, Bredren!

[Wara]

Video in question is a fake, dates back a couple years.

[Craig]

In my absentminded way, I was expecting an expose on some poor illegal alien gettting tortured, then I saw the alien and I remembered what I was clicking

[Bill Ryan]

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The video was originally publicized, way back in 1997, by Sean David Morton who was then a very active, capable and successful alternative TV journalist. He was sent it by a source at Area 51, whom he called "Victor".

I talked with Sean about this personally and off-record, and he was convinced that the video, and his source, were both genuine. He told me that he knew his source's real name, but had never divulged it.

Sean has two very different personalities. He has a huge intellect, a hyper-quick mind, and a vast database of detailed information -- all in parallel with David Wilcock's abilities -- and has a very serious side to him. In public, irritating to many, he can also present himself as a hyperactive, amiable buffoon.

Without knowing him well, it's sometimes hard to see these two aspects as the same person. He certainly used to be an extremely capable researcher, and ufology owes him a huge amount for his depth and breadth of important work in the 90s -- including being the first to open up the entire subject of Area 51 to public scrutiny.

More information on this video here:

http://crowdedskies.com/alien_interogation.htm






The Alien Interrogation / Alien Interview

Background

This video purports to be of an grey alien being filmed through a one way mirror and being questioned by a U.S. General and a telepathic aide.

The footage first came to light on the Art Bell radio show on 13th March, 1997 when ufologist Sean David Morton was interviewed. Morton claimed the interrogation was fairly recent, sometime in 1996, and that renowned UFO expert Bob Dean apparently cried at the advanced screening of the film.

Famed author Whitley Strieber who wrote about his close encounter experiences in the book, "Communion," stated, "There are things about this footage that are particularly striking. Some of the least known features reported by witnesses are presented here. If this tape is not authentic, then it must have been made by people with very special inside knowledge."

The color video footage, which lasts for a total of two minutes and fifty-five seconds, was apparently smuggled out of the secret Groom Lake "Area 51" facility in Nevada by a man referring to himself as "Victor". The video film depicts a Grey alien being interrogated at the government facility.

After claiming to have smuggled the film out of the Groom Lake facility in Nevada, Victor resolved to have the footage broadcast on network television as soon as possible in order to publicly expose his claims. Victor believes that if his identity is discovered and he is subsequently assassinated, this would only further help to confirm the claims and authenticity behind the film.

Contents of the video

After seeing the interview footage, Morton provides a chilling and detailed description of what he saw:

"The film was shot through a large plane of glass. There was no sound accompanying the images. The interview took place in a darkened room, lit with an eerie greenish glow, I could make out the silhouettes of two men, one dressed in military uniform with what appeared to be the stars on the epaulet of his jacket, and another more casually dressed man with his hand occasionally rubbing his forehead. They sat with their backs to the camera at one end of a long table, which was littered with wires, chords and microphones. There were what appeared to be medical devices. One in particular was blinking erratically, as if it was monitoring a very sick heart. And there sitting at the end of the table was a small, beige-skinned, black-eyed, bulbous headed creature, the like of which haunt the nightmares of thousands of unwilling abductees."

Morton made many references to the creature's sick appearance and condition. The alien made very jerky movements and kept bobbing up and down. He continued to describe the apparently distressed state the creature was in.

"Its skin was a pinkish beige, but the rest of the head looked purple and bruised, as if it had suffered severe contusions across the skull."

The contents of the tape grew progressively more disturbing. Towards the end of the tape, the creature goes into what appears to be violent spasms, as if it was having a seizure. The mouth of the alien opens and closes before a foam begins to come out. At that point the heart monitor (as described by Morton) begins to start jumping wildly, at which point the man in the military looking uniform signals to a couple of medics, who rush into the frame and aid the alien. As the doctors treat the alien, the footage suddenly comes to an abrupt end.

Fact or fiction?

The authenticity of the footage is seen differently by many people. Morton is convinced the footage is real due to strong relationships with stories of alien abductees and the information on the footage in the lower part of the frame.

The video footage has the characters DNI/27 burnt into the bottom line of the frame, along with what appears to be the time code numbers for date, minutes and seconds. The letters DNI could be an acronym for the Department of Naval Intelligence, the group responsible for the Area 51 base. The DNI connection to Area 51 has been widely investigated. George Knapp, the TV journalist who encouraged Bob Lazar to go public with his knowledge has shown that Lazar's pay cheques from the time he claimed to be working at Area 51 had DNI stamped on them.

Whether its all true or not - you'll just have to decide yourself. But bear in mind that since the films release into the public domain in 1996 NO-ONE has come forward to claim credit for a hoax!

This alleged footage provided below comes from AREA 51, and shows an alien being interviewed / interrogated as medical staff are attending to it.

Real Video winzipped file (http://www.crowdedskies.com/files/area51.zip) - 297KB

[Strat]

The guy who provided the tape ('Victor') was interviewed, again, in '08. Speaking frankly, I find him hard to believe because
1 money was involved
2 he doesn't say anything significant
3 he has a bad temper

I don't know the man personally, so I very well may be wrong. These are just my thoughts regarding the information given. Oh, and here's the updated interview video. It's two parts at about 15 minutes total:

EEFJ_C-wdlw

[Bill Ryan]

The guy who provided the tape ('Victor') was interviewed, again, in '08.

Thanks... I'd actually been unaware of that. Watching it now with great interest. This is important stuff. (See below...)

In the meantime, seeing the original video (the extract from the documentary) prompted a number of thoughts.

1) In the late '80s and throughout the '90s, there were a number of researchers of heroic status who really blew the lid wide open on ufology. This was long before Kerry and I came along. Our success rested on their shoulders, and to quite some degree all we were doing was consolidating and further publicizing work that had already been started. As Bob Dean famously said, this is the greatest story in human history.

2) Since then, the alternative media has been inundated with nonsense, false predictions, pseudo-spiritual delusion, and distractions and diversions which have been lapped up by way too many people. C.f: Elenin, Ashayana Deane, Planet X 'caught' again and again on cellphone cameras, 11-11-11, SaLuSa, the Galactic Federation of Light, Tolec, Blossom Goodchild.... the list goes on, and on, and on. Whatever happened to real research?

3) How easy it is to live in a fantasy land (like taking Aldous Huxley's population-relaxing drug 'Soma' in his classic work Brave New World). And how challenging it is to work hard, exercise critical thinking, and carefully study and examine hard evidence gathered by very courageous people who have put their lives at risk to inform us.

4) Much of what we've witnessed and experienced in recent years is the triumphant collective psy-op of well-paid and brilliant backstage minds who have been tasked to divert otherwise intelligent and aware people from realizing what is really going on.

5) I'm cross-posting this to Houman's very important thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit

[Selene]

Bill, your comments are totally bang-on. Yes. I've been wondering the same myself. Jane Burgermeister, for instance, has been doggedly pursuing the continuing vaccination H1N1 saga - it's not over by any means - and her fine work hardly draws flies. Duncan O'Finoian's fine work with MK-Ultra victims is also proceeding without the support it deserves, etc.

We seem to have been diverted into infotainment here.

Cheers,

Selene

[Kindly note: I will be offline for the better part of the next 72 hours, unable to reply, etc.]

[ulli]

I thought the interview was authentic, but didn't investigate further. I left that part to those who had more means.
But I do remember having feelings of deep sadness which was confirmed when that man (Bob Dean) cried.
At the time I didn't realize it was Bob Dean, as I had not become aware of who he was at that point.
Neither does Victor's request for money, nor his anger disqualify him, in my view.
One cannot know what motivates another when their point of desperation has reached their limits.
He sounds genuinely bitter, and I'm sure there are reasons for his bitterness. This is a huge crime that has been committed to these visitors, in my view.

[Bill Ryan]

The guy who provided the tape ('Victor') was interviewed, again, in '08. Speaking frankly, I find him hard to believe because
1 money was involved
2 he doesn't say anything significant
3 he has a bad temper

I don't know the man personally, so I very well may be wrong. These are just my thoughts regarding the information given. Oh, and here's the updated interview video. It's two parts at about 15 minutes total:

EEFJ_C-wdlw

I watched both parts. A lot of concentration is needed as his voice is so heavily disguised.

My own observations:

1) Chilling and authentic.

2) He's very bitter: he risked his life (and evidently his health) -- and felt that nothing came of what he took so much courage to do.

3) I think there is highly significant information in there that needs further study. Viz:

4) He dismissed the idea of being 2012 as a "Doomsday Year" (he said the Mayans were not quite the mathematicians they believed they were) -- but hinted pointedly that the documentary makers should not bother to plan a 20th anniversary edition. (I'm interpreting that to mean that Victor anticipates, or is aware of, some critical event scheduled to occur before 2017.)

5) In answer to questions about what Rumsfeld knew, he said that he was focused on saving himself -- by leaving the planet. (This may not be as crazy as it at first sounds. Watch this interesting and potentially important testimony to support this, linked below. (Ignore the poor articulacy of "Dutch", the interviewee -- and listen carefully to the key components of the small amount of what he says he knows.)

Roswell, 2012, and the Great Escape Plan:
http://golden-rule.org/2012/04/24/roswell-2012-and-the-great-escape-plan-army-veteran-dutch-blows-the-whistle

[Mike]

i can't say definitively what a *real* alien interrogation would look like, or what a real alien would look like for that matter, but somehow i feel i'll know it when i see it.

and this ain't it.

though impossible to quantify, there's something in our dna that allows biological creatures to recognize other biological creatures, almost immediately. it's recognized as a *feeling*, however, not a thought. mentally i could make all kinds of arguments for this video's authenticity, but it seems clear to me that this video is not authentic.

[WhiteFeather]

1997 Art Bell Interviews Victor on this topic along with Sean David Morton.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=hHu0ZVj7iYU

[jimmer]

it's a puppet.
make-up, effects expert, rick baker, says it's a poorly operated puppet.
everything about the 'alien's' moves and scene staging is awkward and contrived.
this was done before cgi and really looks suffers for it today.

it's a puppet.

[ThePythonicCow]

The following link will get you to a Youtube playlist that will play all 9 parts of the "Area51 - The ALIEN Interview and 11 Years Later" video, one part (Part 5) of which is WhiteFeather's opening post of this thread:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76ANiYQxeg8&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL57CED630B8D91F8F

[TheGoldenRule1]

The guy who provided the tape ('Victor') was interviewed, again, in '08. Speaking frankly, I find him hard to believe because
1 money was involved
2 he doesn't say anything significant
3 he has a bad temper

I don't know the man personally, so I very well may be wrong. These are just my thoughts regarding the information given. Oh, and here's the updated interview video. It's two parts at about 15 minutes total:

EEFJ_C-wdlw

I watched both parts. A lot of concentration is needed as his voice is so heavily disguised.

My own observations:

1) Chilling and authentic.

2) He's very bitter: he risked his life (and evidently his health) -- and felt that nothing came of what he took so much courage to do.

3) I think there is highly significant information in there that needs further study. Viz:

4) He dismissed the idea of being 2012 as a "Doomsday Year" (he said the Mayans were not quite the mathematicians they believed they were) -- but hinted pointedly that the documentary makers should not bother to plan a 20th anniversary edition. (I'm interpreting that to mean that Victor anticipates, or is aware of, some critical event scheduled to occur before 2017.)

5) In answer to questions about what Rumsfeld knew, he said that he was focused on saving himself -- by leaving the planet. (This may not be as crazy as it at first sounds. Watch this interesting and potentially important testimony to support this, linked below. (Ignore the poor articulacy of "Dutch", the interviewee -- and listen carefully to the key components of the small amount of what he says he knows.)

Roswell, 2012, and the Great Escape Plan:
http://golden-rule.org/2012/04/24/roswell-2012-and-the-great-escape-plan-army-veteran-dutch-blows-the-whistle

Bill,

I just recently became a provisional member here and I was the one who conducted the interview you cite at the end. Thank you for the attention, as I believe he is being honest about his experiences in the Army. He also has a second interview, where he goes into further detail regarding the things he actually witnessed (Plasma Excavation drills, Prismic UFOs, and anti-gravity craft).

I also have been involved with the disclosure project but, as of yet no formal plans have been made.

[Limor Wolf]

Thanks Paul. I watched it a couple of times by now, and the feeling is that there is something real going on in this scenario, both the interrogation and with 'victor's' testimony. In the above 'newest' edition that Strat linked, 'Victor' seems very distraught, understandably so if what he says (to the best of his knowledge) derives from real information.
Who are his sources than, since he claims that he has left the black projects in 1997? suffice to assume - those who are still deeply involved in those projects and that gives only ONE facet to this world situation, it is not hard to imagaine that the world is at a major risk of eradication, and that is a valid timeline, the Cabal's point of view is well represented in this assumption/knowledge, but isn't it possible that even they don't know it all? very possible.

Another option is that 'Victor' can be mind controlled to some extent, but nothing to prove this and it might also be irresponsible to assume. just a thought

[Peace of Mind]

Saw this a while ago and feel that it’s just more hype material for tricking and persuading the people. IMO, it’s an elaborate hoax. How do we know it’s an interrogation? Why is it so dark that only the head is showing? Are those doctors/scientists examining the alien, if so why do it in the dark? Why hasn’t anyone turn on the light switch? If I’m in a room with this being I would want as much light as possible (not just a flashlight). TBH, I think it’s a puppet because the head/face has what appears to be muscle structure but the face shows no change (expressions) nor those that massive head show any muscle movement…especially when the people( supposedly interrogators) are seen tussling with it.

With all the Alien movies and ramblings about 2012 invasions and such…this old and very inconclusive vid conviently re-surfaces again…just in time to help with a possible staged event. This wouldn’t be the first time the masses have been fooled by a Hollywood style production. I see nothing that will convince me this is authentic, sorry, but I’ve seen better puppeteering in children’s shows. I feel safe to say this vid is just another distraction/propaganda. It’s doing absolutely nothing for us…other than wasting our time blindly promoting fiction….and perhaps secret agendas.

Peace

[jimmer]

Saw this a while ago and feel that it’s just more hype material for tricking and persuading the people. IMO, it’s an elaborate hoax. How do we know it’s an interrogation? Why is it so dark that only the head is showing? Are those doctors/scientists examining the alien, if so why do it in the dark? Why hasn’t anyone turn on the light switch? If I’m in a room with this being I would want as much light as possible (not just a flashlight). TBH, I think it’s a puppet because the head/face has what appears to be muscle structure but the face shows no change (expressions) nor those that massive head show any muscle movement…especially when the people( supposedly interrogators) are seen tussling with it.

With all the Alien movies and ramblings about 2012 invasions and such…this old and very inconclusive vid conviently re-surfaces again…just in time to help with a possible staged event. This wouldn’t be the first time the masses have been fooled by a Hollywood style production. I see nothing that will convince me this is authentic, sorry, but I’ve seen better puppeteering in children’s shows. I feel safe to say this vid is just another distraction/propaganda. It’s doing absolutely nothing for us…other than wasting our time blindly promoting fiction….and perhaps secret agendas.

Peace


bravo. bravo. bravo.

[Limor Wolf]

No video will ever be sufficient to be used as evidence, no photographic material, no testimony even if it is given first hand by miltary personals will have the ability to 'convince' the unconvinced that there are other beings besides human beings, and they are present here on earth at this time. nothing to do with a hoax. people are risking their lives by exposing their experiences or risking humaliation. I guess only a face to face encounter will change one skeptic's mind. skepticism and logic are essential tools and are healthy and necessary, but a total disqualification of enormouse evidence by people from all walks of life is simply not smart.

[Praxis]

I find that this interview with Victor was ok and that what Bill has said is true.
My biggest problem with the interview is saying that the Aliens will judge us all because of the actions of the few people. They are going to kill all humans because of the actions of some of they americans?
Also if the aliens "presented" themselves to "us" as a litmus test, then they did a terrible job of it. Presenting oneself to humanity should occur something like: A Several mile wide mothership hangs over EVERY major city in the world for about an hour all at the same time, with several smaller ships making appearance in smaller cities around the world. Then judge humanity based on its reaction after this show, not what has been witnessed.

The stuff about Cheney being in the know is good to hear, but makes sense due to his length of service in the government. It almost felt that he was implying that W Bush was actually a replicant of some sort. But maybe I am reading too much into his wording and inflections.

I do wonder about the Rumsfeld question. "He is souly/solely interested in becoming one of the ones that makes it off planet."
This is a very interesting statement which says a lot of things. THis means that he became aware of a group of people who are already making plans. Who is this group? I would suspect that H W Bush would be in the know considering his time in CIA. And Rumsfeld is close to that so this makes me think that maybe it is not H W Bush but rather a different group altogether.

[jimmer]

No video will ever be sufficient to be used as evidence, no photographic material, no testimony even if it is given first hand by miltary personals will have the ability to 'convince' the unconvinced that there are other beings besides human beings, and they are present here on earth at this time. nothing to do with a hoax. people are risking their lives by exposing their experiences or risking humaliation. I guess only a face to face encounter will change one skeptic's mind. skepticism and logic are essential tools and are healthy and necessary, but a total disqualification of enormouse evidence by people from all walks of life is simply not smart.

those who believe the 'alien interrogation video' to be phony has little to do with
the bigger 'are we alone' question. dissent on this video topic does not disqualify the larger question.
this specific video is a contrivance. that's it.

[WhiteFeather]

No video will ever be sufficient to be used as evidence, no photographic material, no testimony even if it is given first hand by miltary personals will have the ability to 'convince' the unconvinced that there are other beings besides human beings, and they are present here on earth at this time. nothing to do with a hoax. people are risking their lives by exposing their experiences or risking humaliation. I guess only a face to face encounter will change one skeptic's mind. skepticism and logic are essential tools and are healthy and necessary, but a total disqualification of enormouse evidence by people from all walks of life is simply not smart.

Well put Limor. Totally agree with your written words here.

[000]

Roswell, 2012, and the Great Escape Plan:
http://golden-rule.org/2012/04/24/roswell-2012-and-the-great-escape-plan-army-veteran-dutch-blows-the-whistle

I just finished watching this. It certainly corroborates a lot of other witnesses' and whistleblowers' testimonies regarding Roswell.

Some interesting thoughts were catalyzed from watching this video. Although the information was not really anything new, hearing it this time around and from this particular individual brought about a stream of thoughts in me.

Here are the sprigs of wheat which I have let my mind chew on a little:

[1] The deep black military, bloodline families, etc. were naive and gullible in assuming that what the Roswell beings/AIs (and subsequent encounters with similar beings/AIs) were telling them was the absolute truth.

Just because a being says something does not mean it is what is actually on that being's agenda and a thoroughly advanced civilization would of course be expertly patient and wise in knowing precisely what to communicate and how it would play out with regards to chains of Cause and Effect.

[2] Why would a sufficiently advanced civilization in one of an infinity of parallel timelines wish to destroy the bulk of 'we the people' rather than the 'elites'? It seems logical to me to consider that an advanced civilization, in an attempt to repair a timeline/botched civilization (one that has been 'infected' so to speak), would not destroy the innocents but rather the non-innocents (the infection).

Perhaps the beings/AIs deliberately gave false information about 'future events' to those they were communicating with in an effort to guide them to leave Earth alone by literally leaving it (perhaps 'dealing with them' when they have all left). What better way than to get the elites to leave Earth than to play upon their enormous capacity for fear and negativity.

___

Maybe, just maybe, the advanced technology given to the military industrial complex was a masterfully planned carrot-on-a-stick, where in combination with such gloomy information given them by beings which they somehow fell into trusting (through being given technology) the word of these beings (although they may have deliberately told untruths).

Now, of course, these are merely my own thoughts. But I felt compelled to share them (I have not seen them elsewhere to date), and Cause/Effect being what it is, well... the flow changes ever so slightly with every drop injected into it.

Certainly truth is much stranger than fiction and I do feel that, in that being so, there is most certainly a high probability of multiple twists to this strange river we are all in that we may not expect at first blush. :paintgirl:

[spuddie]

I saw the 'Interrogation' video a couple of years ago. I wasn't convinced of its authenticity then; I'm not now. Especially after hearing the special effects guys' expert opinions.

Whilst it does leave a lot to be desired, I'm somewhat convinced by this video; there's just something about the little fella's blinking movements that rings true:

CTfPSsw88P0

[jimmer]

"I saw the video a couple of years ago. I wasn't convinced of its authenticity then; I'm not now. Especially after hearing the special effects guys' expert opinions.

Whilst it does leave a lot to be desired, I'm somewhat convinced by this video; there's just something about the little fella's blinking movements that rings true:"


this one is a whole different kettle of fish.
either an outstanding work of art or the real thing.
when it first was released, the audio track of an off speed projector
called fowl to some. nonetheless, impressive.

[WhiteFeather]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVyvDvjXFmA&feature=related

[cloud9]

The guy who provided the tape ('Victor') was interviewed, again, in '08. Speaking frankly, I find him hard to believe because
1 money was involved
2 he doesn't say anything significant
3 he has a bad temper

I don't know the man personally, so I very well may be wrong. These are just my thoughts regarding the information given. Oh, and here's the updated interview video. It's two parts at about 15 minutes total:

EEFJ_C-wdlw

I watched both parts. A lot of concentration is needed as his voice is so heavily disguised.

My own observations:

1) Chilling and authentic.

2) He's very bitter: he risked his life (and evidently his health) -- and felt that nothing came of what he took so much courage to do.

3) I think there is highly significant information in there that needs further study. Viz:

4) He dismissed the idea of being 2012 as a "Doomsday Year" (he said the Mayans were not quite the mathematicians they believed they were) -- but hinted pointedly that the documentary makers should not bother to plan a 20th anniversary edition. (I'm interpreting that to mean that Victor anticipates, or is aware of, some critical event scheduled to occur before 2017.)

5) In answer to questions about what Rumsfeld knew, he said that he was focused on saving himself -- by leaving the planet. (This may not be as crazy as it at first sounds. Watch this interesting and potentially important testimony to support this, linked below. (Ignore the poor articulacy of "Dutch", the interviewee -- and listen carefully to the key components of the small amount of what he says he knows.)

Roswell, 2012, and the Great Escape Plan:
http://golden-rule.org/2012/04/24/roswell-2012-and-the-great-escape-plan-army-veteran-dutch-blows-the-whistle

Bill,

I just recently became a provisional member here and I was the one who conducted the interview you cite at the end. Thank you for the attention, as I believe he is being honest about his experiences in the Army. He also has a second interview, where he goes into further detail regarding the things he actually witnessed (Plasma Excavation drills, Prismic UFOs, and anti-gravity craft).

I also have been involved with the disclosure project but, as of yet no formal plans have been made.

Dear friend:

I watched the first interview and then I started with the second one and I want to say, just in case you haven't notice it yet that in the first seconds of the second interview when "Dutch" leans to the right to pick his coffee up, his face is very visible for one or two seconds but just enough to identify him. If this is important, please fix the video and protect the man.
Thank you.

[Believe]

Could be real, could be fake. They're going to have to declassify the information soon enough. Even if it's real, so what? Its not the first one, and i bet it's not the last. probably fake though, because they would go to great lengths to hide this from the public view. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I'm simply not sure if it is real or fake. The "alien" has a hit of yellow. Usually, from what I've read and know is that they are usually grey/green. They are light green/blue/grey ones. I've never heard of a yellowish one. I don't know people, you decide.

[deridan]

000 , so well articulated!
(the greatest thing that can count this as foul is the timeline, one has already had strategic strictures in place since roswell and the decade after, ...and one would worry to interrogate a crashed alien by mid-rung military personnel in 1995 wwhhyy?)

like that bill counts tolec foul, even his radio voice cries: 'all my training has been in the art of speech making, now let me recite this speech from the Andr. council'

Burgermeister: covers a very critical area,... vaccinations. (remember that she almost embarrassed Kerry with hysteria on radio. plus that the Human Genome sequence is based on her genomic code... why would that make a difference...{unless junk dna becomes important or is very crucial and individual, but crucial in the operation of we don't know what.yet}...also, that the regular medical pyrimid, post doc medical researchers...create diseases..... oh how wishful....if only they could be so good in the first place....[degrees of good and evil should only be counted as one thing: power...and i'm afraid knowledge is the gatekeeper...and His been sleeping boredly])

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I'm not an expert, but I do have some experience with special effects, having worked with Scott Squires. The movements and range of motion of the alien in the interrogation video are consistent with a hand puppet, in my opinion.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I saw the 'Interrogation' video a couple of years ago. I wasn't convinced of its authenticity then; I'm not now. Especially after hearing the special effects guys' expert opinions.

Whilst it does leave a lot to be desired, I'm somewhat convinced by this video; there's just something about the little fella's blinking movements that rings true:

CTfPSsw88P0

I had not seen this before. Thank you. Whilst there is nothing here that cannot be created on my home computer by a skilled technician, there is also nothing that jumps out as obvious fakery. The only thing that doesn't smell right is the shortness of the video clips, though I can think of few reasons that would explain that.

Unfortunately, we have reached a point in our technology where there is no such thing as video proof.

[Huma]

This video caused me 5 years of a world of hurt in every possible way, it was a nightmare, and it wrecked my young adult life (I am 27 as of this writing, and the time in question began when i was 20), and for more times then I care to count, I really felt my life was in jeopardy. I saw it many years ago, and I have seen both videos. In the process of investigating it, I had a lot of **** come my way, and quite a bit from someone who initially claimed to know about it in great detail, and eventually admitted he knew nothing but caused me a lot of grief over the years.

This was someone who did some bizarre stuff, and also essentially took advantage of me as well. At times I felt this individual was just using me for money and amusement, and then they would do something that was hard to deny, and made me second guess myself. Anyway, needless to say the source of my grievance was this video....and so I had looked into it a great deal. It is my conclusion that this indeed was a "hoax", a solid one no doubt, but really a hoax. The trauma I went through because of this peice of footage is a surreal story in and of itself, and one I hope to share with Bill sometime if I am able :). It's certainly a worthwhile cautionary tale...

[sdv]

How many on this forum think (note that I say think and not believe) that the military/government would secretly interrogate aliens in this way?

How many on this forum think that it is wrong to subject an alien to such suffering?

If you say yes to the first question, then the video is real because the conditions exist for it to be possible. If you say yes to the second question then you cannot ignore those conditions.

In my convoluted way I am trying to say that the conditions exist for this to be real and that is the real issue.

[spiritguide]

The statement in the thread about DNI stamps on checks or stubs does not correlate to the Office of Naval Intelligence, as the acronym for this agency is ONI not DNI. This coming from a veteran who was an operative for the agency at the period of time stated. ????????? questions this point of info! IMHO

[ThePythonicCow]

The statement in the thread about DNI stamps on checks or stubs does not correlate to the Office of Naval Intelligence, as the acronym for this agency is ONI not DNI. This coming from a veteran who was an operative for the agency at the period of time stated. ????????? questions this point of info! IMHO
DNI could stand for the "Director of Naval Intelligence."

[Limor Wolf]

How many on this forum think (note that I say think and not believe) that the military/government would secretly interrogate aliens in this way?

How many on this forum think that it is wrong to subject an alien to such suffering?

If you say yes to the first question, then the video is real because the conditions exist for it to be possible. If you say yes to the second question then you cannot ignore those conditions.

In my convoluted way I am trying to say that the conditions exist for this to be real and that is the real issue.

Thanks sdv, nicely said. one of the most unforgetable Camelot moments is when Cliford Stone expresses his empathy to the captured extraterrestrial he worked with while he was serving as an interface during his millitary service. he said something like - 'Animals have rights, aliens have none.'
yes to both questions

[spiritguide]

The statement in the thread about DNI stamps on checks or stubs does not correlate to the Office of Naval Intelligence, as the acronym for this agency is ONI not DNI. This coming from a veteran who was an operative for the agency at the period of time stated. ????????? questions this point of info! IMHO
DNI could stand for the "Director of Naval Intelligence."

Checks are not stamped with acronyms .... Just U.S. Navy, if it was the director it would be DIRONI, if it was a department it would be DEPONI IMO

[13th Warrior]

I saw the 'Interrogation' video a couple of years ago. I wasn't convinced of its authenticity then; I'm not now. Especially after hearing the special effects guys' expert opinions.

Whilst it does leave a lot to be desired, I'm somewhat convinced by this video; there's just something about the little fella's blinking movements that rings true:

CTfPSsw88P0

I had not seen this before. Thank you. Whilst there is nothing here that cannot be created on my home computer by a skilled technician, there is also nothing that jumps out as obvious fakery. The only thing that doesn't smell right is the shortness of the video clips, though I can think of few reasons that would explain that.

Unfortunately, we have reached a point in our technology where there is no such thing as video proof.

Also noteworthy; access to the technology to do so has only been available to the general public fairly recently...

[percival tyro]

It was very moving. As usual the lighting for some reason was angled not to show anything much beyond the ear line or below the chin.

[Peace of Mind]

It was very moving. As usual the lighting for some reason was angled not to show anything much beyond the ear line or below the chin.

Which should be sounding off many alarms, imo. This is a clear distraction, just look at what it’s doing, it's playing on your emotions and keeping you intuned. If this was real it would have been taken off Youtube by now. The only reason why it’s still up is because it is indeed fake………..or perhaps they are using it to ready the public for the fake invasion. Regardless of the matter, there are clearly more important matters that need your attention. If the vid is real or not…there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, or is there?

If there is important info in this field that needs to be spread to the public… I (and many others) will appreciate it if the info is spread with some validity attached to it. Otherwise it will be taking myself (and others) from what needs to be done.

To be clear....I have the upmost respect for true whistleblowers, those who actually put their lives on the line for others by actually putting out undeniable evidence. I don’t have the time or respect for those claiming to have life changing information (for a fee) and offers no real proof. Anybody can go online and make up a story about aliens (ANYBODY!!!). Without proof you are a distracter/con/attention seeker/trouble maker/ fear monger/ etc... What's to gain?

We all are putting ourselves in danger everyday by just simply stepping out of the house. So believing in the unproving will grant you more problems then you bargain for. I put my life on the line for others everyday by challenging those that oppress all of us….yet I don’t mention it in my post or in an interview video. We all are going to die sooner or later…how you go out should be the upmost importance to you. Will you go out as a coward running and hiding from other cowards while living amongst cowards and the crooked…or will you leave in dignity and honor by making honest attempts at bringing down this evil that is crushing us all?

Again, I doubt this vid to be real for many reasons, plus I work in the field of TV, radio, entertainment…and seen how puppeteering works first hand.

I just think people just want to believe so much that they cast away their rationale, which means they'll often go for anything relevant to their beliefs no matter how many red flags are waving right in front of their faces. If you want to believe in this, it’s cool by me. But I suggest you consider removing all doubts before going all in with little to nothing to grasp and hold on to. You’ll go nowhere (and fast) without some form of stability, we either stand for something or fall for anything…

Peace

[cloud9]

I saw you already fixed the video, this morning it wasn't available and I thought I wouldn't be able to watch it.

[ThePythonicCow]

Checks are not stamped with acronyms .... Just U.S. Navy, if it was the director it would be DIRONI, if it was a department it would be DEPONI IMO
Well, in this case, the USA post WWII, there is no Department of Naval Intelligence.

There is the Defense Department, above the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force.

There is the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI), led by the Director of Naval Intelligence (DNI).

[jimmer]

"Again, I doubt this vid to be real for many reasons, plus I work in the field of TV, radio, entertainment…
and seen how puppeteering works first hand."

PoM, which video are you talking about?
the 'interrogation' or the '40s' video?
sounds like the former.

[Peace of Mind]

The first vid in the thread, jimmer...

I hardly comment on interviews because that’s all they are…can’t prove the legitimacy of them because they consist of nothing but talk. I’m just flabbergasted that anyone claiming to have experienced such things seems to always have no proof. Why put your life on the line when you don’t even have the evidence to protect yourself? I see strange unexplainable things too, but I’m not going to subject myself to harm or anyone else if I can’t prove what I experienced. Why put yourself through that? It’s not like the people viewing these vids will do anything to help (as you can see). I too used to follow the alien hype until I started noticing discrepancies within some of the interviews/testimonies. I now see it as a devious plot. If the universe is as vast, or is what the controlled learning institutions say it is…then alien intervention will come exactly at the right time and we will be duly primed for it. But until E.T. makes its motives known our prime directives should be on EARTH and all its inhabitants.

Off topic for a lil bit of clarity on why I make certain posts…

I have my theories about the cosmos and much of them lead me to thinking we can time travel as soon as we leave the Earth’s atmosphere, I think we are the only living things left in this 3d universe (I’m saving that discussion for another thread). I also think such groups like the GFL (If real) are either us as time travelers or us relaying messages through time…or just plain phony attention seekers. If they are us in the future…I think they formed an allegiance by acquiring some of the pro-active souls within today’s society. This is also hard to believe because many people today hesitate to do what’s necessary for humanity and the planet. That’s why I hold this forum in high regards. There are very few people in this world (atm) aware of our collective issues. We (Avalon) may be the only hope left for humanity; we may be those time travelers. But I digress. I mean…how do we expect to join such a group if we can’t even take responsibility for our own home? My concerns will always focus on what we can do in the now. Anything else that is dressed in speculation can and will be dealt with when that times comes. Obviously this is not the time because there is no clear sign of it…it’s all just speculation or just science fiction. Either way it doesn’t matter until it actually does…

my appologies if anyone find my post offensive, I might poke a few in the ribs every now and then but my intentions are positively pure.

Peace

[Chester]

It was very moving. As usual the lighting for some reason was angled not to show anything much beyond the ear line or below the chin.

Which should be sounding off many alarms, imo. This is a clear distraction, just look at what it’s doing, it's playing on your emotions and keeping you intuned. If this was real it would have been taken off Youtube by now. The only reason why it’s still up is because it is indeed fake………..or perhaps they are using it to ready the public for the fake invasion. Regardless of the matter, there are clearly more important matters that need your attention. If the vid is real or not…there is absolutely nothing we can do about it, or is there?

If there is important info in this field that needs to be spread to the public… I (and many others) will appreciate it if the info is spread with some validity attached to it. Otherwise it will be taking myself (and others) from what needs to be done.

To be clear....I have the upmost respect for true whistleblowers, those who actually put their lives on the line for others by actually putting out undeniable evidence. I don’t have the time or respect for those claiming to have life changing information (for a fee) and offers no real proof. Anybody can go online and make up a story about aliens (ANYBODY!!!). Without proof you are a distracter/con/attention seeker/trouble maker/ fear monger/ etc... What's to gain?

We all are putting ourselves in danger everyday by just simply stepping out of the house. So believing in the unproving will grant you more problems then you bargain for. I put my life on the line for others everyday by challenging those that oppress all of us….yet I don’t mention it in my post or in an interview video. We all are going to die sooner or later…how you go out should be the upmost importance to you. Will you go out as a coward running and hiding from other cowards while living amongst cowards and the crooked…or will you leave in dignity and honor by making honest attempts at bringing down this evil that is crushing us all?

Again, I doubt this vid to be real for many reasons, plus I work in the field of TV, radio, entertainment…and seen how puppeteering works first hand.

I just think people just want to believe so much that they cast away their rationale, which means they'll often go for anything relevant to their beliefs no matter how many red flags are waving right in front of their faces. If you want to believe in this, it’s cool by me. But I suggest you consider removing all doubts before going all in with little to nothing to grasp and hold on to. You’ll go nowhere (and fast) without some form of stability, we either stand for something or fall for anything…

Peace

Being open minded allows one to be prepared when one is faced with a truth one does not want to believe... but is still the truth.

[Peace of Mind]

Its ok to be open minded but be aware of brainwashing...when/if you decide to let your mind become the sponge.

Peace

[WhiteFeather]

Video in question is a fake, dates back a couple years.

Can you elaborate with Avalon as to when this was debunked. Im all ears.
BTW. I do value Bob Deane 's opinion here. And his credentials speak for themself.

[jimmer]

Video in question is a fake, dates back a couple years.

Can you elaborate with Avalon as to when this was debunked. Im all ears.
BTW. I do value Bob Deane 's opinion here. And his credentials speak for themself.

here's an article that uncovers the hoax puppet.

http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/the-alien-interview/

better photos here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread690575/pg1

previously discussed at PA:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8822-Alien-Interview-Hoax-Puppet&p=76251&viewfull=1#post76251

[RMorgan]

Here´s another one for you, folks.

This one was made/filmed in Brazil. Looks like CGI but who knows...I guess any real alien´s movements would look strange and unnatural to us.

CSHIEQNEaP8

(the above video can´t be embedded. You have to watch it on youtube)

Analyzes:

hpluejv0hZE

Before you ask me to translate what the guy is speaking, he´s just saying:

-Speak you son of a bitch!
-Hahahahahah!
-Yeahhhh...I told you he would speak!

Cheers,

Raf.

[jaybee]

Video in question is a fake, dates back a couple years.

Can you elaborate with Avalon as to when this was debunked. Im all ears.
BTW. I do value Bob Deane 's opinion here. And his credentials speak for themself.


Hi WhiteFeather....Bob Dean's involvement with the original 'Alien Interrogation' video does give it more respectability. There has been much speculation that 'Victor' could be Bob Dean....but I am now thinking that 'Victor' MIGHT be Bob Lazar.


Somewhere....'Victor' says that the Alien Interrogation video was obtained when 'stuff' was being transfered from film/video to a digital format....

So might there have been more....?

I now think there is a connection to the 'Skinny Bob' video (posted in this thread) to the 'Alien Interrogation' original.

The Skinny Bob vid with three other videos was orignally put on YouTube by Ivan0135...

http://www.youtube.com/user/ivan0135


Skinny BOB..........a teasing reference to Bob Dean? OR Bob Lazar..?


The Skinny Bob video was entitled 'Alien Grey Extraterrestrial Zeta Reticuli UFO Leaked Footage....


Here's Bob Lazar talking about what he says he was told about 'the crafts originated from a planet that orbited the Zeta Reticuli Star System'



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[jimmer]

here's the link that reveals the 'captive grey' as a complete hoax:

http://forgetomori.com/2008/ufos/the-uberlandia-captive-alien-video/

and from a past PA post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1715-Captive-Alien-Film-Revealed

there are plenty of bonafide 'high strangeness' cases.
we, especially at PA, need to be more reserved and demanding of proof,
details and background before merrily jumping on the 'I think it's real' bandwagon.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

There is a type of telepathy i get from this video - it is all loving, and very sad at the same time,..


Almost as if it sees the help, and has realized the monkeys are trying to help the best they know - it really is emotional - I don't think this is fake .
I wonder why this one gets me like that?

[Kindred]

I saw these videos back about a year or more ago, and thought the same things that the interviewee expresses regarding what is happening to the 'grey'... Very, Very sad. Yes, there is something about the movements of the being that are 'unique' to their physical structure, and is the form and substance behind the video's authenticity.

Also, there was a thread that specifically dealt with the '40's video, a while back. Bill Ryan also commented on that as being a Valid video of the Zeta-Reticulans detailed in the Serpo series in which he had been a 'correspondent', and net site 'creator'. I too commented on it as being a valid piece of historical documentation.

Truly, it's a sad commentary of our military's (MIC/Bankster) actions towards ET's, and makes me weep for those who participate. And, yes, I'm aware of what 'they' have done to some of us... perhaps it's some sort of retribution? Or just creating more karma for the participants, both ET and terrestrial. Universal Law is quite unforgiving.

In Unity, Peace and Love

[MiguelQ]

Ok so after the puzzle, i see we have no chance! We will die ok. accept it? what can we do!

2012 is comming and im afraid its too late.
i always thought, that biological matter can travel time, but electronics can... soo those UFO must be electronic devices, like probes, with robots... But where is that info from the probe being sent? thats the point.

But if 2012 is comming, and is solar storm, and alien false flag, then what can we do? nothin?
We are working for them to give them more money to construct bunkers to save their asses?? Thats Wrong.... we are being slaves of them, and in the end, exterminated... No alien will help us, because i think we are like ants, to them... and Most humans dont have attention to the floor when you step and smash ants right?? thats how they might see us.

So Bill, what are you going to do? i have no bunker to hide. and if i did, after 7 years of darkness ,ome talk, i dont know what world to expect outside, and above all, if i would like to live near those military impostors, that would rebuild a new world based on what? money once more?, and curruption? and lie?? And even then most fsiends and people i know would be dead, because have no place to hide, so i would live isolated, and sad with no people i know? and when everything goes and fades away, what reason someone has to live on? The only solution is to accept and live near those bunker military personal when they come out... and live near the "beast," the one that did not care for my survival? and let me die with no shelter?, is that what we call National security? and human defense? is it??

So , i will accept the nature of things, and what things were meant to be. If its the end of the world, then .. accept, and enjoy the last moments here on earth, and die like everything else.


But what makes me different, in this thought, and although i know aliens might not save humans, is that, me as a human being believe, everyone has the right to live, and if that depends on my actions , to help someone survive, i will help, event the most insignificant living being, like ant, mosquito, or whatever, ... i dont usually kill, but let them go, and save them. And as a piece specie, i understand thats the way to go. And if there are aliens out there, for the good, and if they really have the means and tecnology to help us, they should use it. and save most of us... because thats what i would do, even if some humans are less smart, or useful for them. Im sure this makes sense. Helping others to life, and not the "let them die" way. In the conscious level, if i could avoid that, ( and i were an alien, watching primitive life exterminating paths) and know that i could do something, i would ...

[mojo]

I wonder where Victor is and what more he knew...probably put his life at risk and even more dangerous to talk and be a whistleblower today...

[kirolak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E-v1teuFY8

[kemo]

Well, kind of depends who is doing the talkover. It looks fake to me but I have no knowledge of CGT. However the guy says that the ETs eliminated micro-organisms from their world - but in that case the ET needs more protection not less. After all we all know what happend in War of The Worlds. Also there would be no life on Earth without micro-organisms - maybe he meant harmful ones but not sure its possible to do do that. What about viruses? They mutate and may not even be alive. Just saying the commentray raises some questions.

Must relate this though off topic: a while ago I overheard an old guy explaining to his chums that they'd discovered orgasms on Mars. That's intense.

[Atlas]

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I do tend to believe this video is real.

A few years ago I talked at length with Sean David Morton - who was contacted by the original Area 51 source, with the video. Sean is pretty smart, and was convinced that both source and video were authentic.

I don't know this man but there are some negative comments about him:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-71iVY9st7yg/URmyL8wfwpI/AAAAAAAAAGY/FqEX3kS8UNg/s320/sdmrobe.jpg


wikipedia.org/Sean_David_Morton#Guilty_of_fraud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_David_Morton#Guilty_of_fraud)
The Shameless Psychic and his Prophecy of Lies (http://www.ufowatchdog.com/sean_morton_files_1.htm)

He wrote a book: Sands of Time (Starlocke Publishing 2011) and I noticed his 5 March 2014 tweet (https://twitter.com/SeanDavidMorton/status/441284611415752705):


HELP! Is there anyone in the Los Angeles area with a Sand of Time book? I need to borrow one for the weekend. I...

[The Castellan]

I am no expert on the subject but my feeling is that this video is genuine and it is very very disturbing on the empathy level to know someone is in such obvious distress. If I were in such an alien's shoes, knowing how bad human beings are capable of being, I not only would be terrified picking up the vibes, but also I would be extremely distressed being trapped and separated from my friends and companions. This is very, very bad if we in fact have such beings under lock and key. Bad enough that we mistreat humans, animals, plants and other beings here - but I shudder to think what the moral consequences will be for mistreatment of advanced beings. This video is very upsetting.

the being cant be that advanced if we have him under lock and key.

HOLD IT.


There's a difference between 'advanced' and 'invincible'.

Let's say I sent you, with an Uzi, an Ipad, and a motorcycle back in time to the days of the Spanish Inquisition. The locals would think you were some advanced being or maybe some deity or something.....YET if one of the more superstitious locals waffled you upside the head with a rock, or one of the Pope's inquisition goons shish-kabob with his spear.....you'd still be dead, advanced or not advanced. Same with an alien, deprived of his/hers/its technology, and he/she/it has a strong chance of being as vulnerable as a snail out of its shell, ExHaLaTiON.


And as for the video, I do not know.....just because some guy who makes puppets and monsters for Hollywood films says its a fake, does not mean it is. Hell, that other puppet guys even admitted he has no idea how some elements of the video were done. And do we have any knowledge regarding the kinesiology of aliens? Do we KNOW how an alien is supposed to and not supposed to move? And if that 2001 crop circle that was a response to Carl Sagan's radio transmission to any life out in the universe is genuine, then it tells us that the greys, or at least whatever these creatures, the genuine ones, (not the manufactured ones our military can create, form what I've read) are, in fact, silicon based....and perhaps that silicon based life acts, thinks and even moves in a different manner than humans or even carbon based life.

So my verdict is 'don't know', and given the trouble the guy went through to get the tape, I am learning a bit towards authenticity. And I hope, if it's real, that the alien got better and somehow escaped.

[Gerald Paris]

you know, I am not an expert on alien movement. I hold the stillness of this being in peril under suspect. I have witnessed animals and humans in distress. all wiggles n movement. open to consideration. but I doubt.


Thanks for sharing

Much Love

G

[Bill Ryan]

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I do tend to believe this video is real.

A few years ago I talked at length with Sean David Morton - who was contacted by the original Area 51 source, with the video. Sean is pretty smart, and was convinced that both source and video were authentic.

I don't know this man but there are some negative comments about him:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-71iVY9st7yg/URmyL8wfwpI/AAAAAAAAAGY/FqEX3kS8UNg/s320/sdmrobe.jpg


wikipedia.org/Sean_David_Morton#Guilty_of_fraud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_David_Morton#Guilty_of_fraud)
The Shameless Psychic and his Prophecy of Lies (http://www.ufowatchdog.com/sean_morton_files_1.htm)




1) Long story here. Yes, Sean was found guilty of fraud by the SEC. I have all the papers.

Kerry lost about $116,000 (a major chunk of her mother's inheritance, which helped support our living expenses in the start-up of Camelot), and I lost $25,000. Not a penny has ever been returned. It's a story that's not been told.

Sean was not deliberately fraudulent -- just culpably negligent. He entrusted the funds to the care of someone (Daryl Weber) who was playing the ForEx market. Sean left him instructions on exactly what to do (when to sell, when to buy, etc) -- but Daryl figured he knew best.

Daryl went off on a long weekend's break, leaving his children in charge of the trading screens (go figure). The market crashed, and his kids had no idea what to do. When Daryl returned, everything was lost.

The problem was compounded in that thereafter, Sean did not come clean about what had happened for the next 12 months. Many people lost a great deal of money (the total was in the millions), and quite a number of them -- not Kerry or myself, btw -- filed suit.

An interesting footnote here is that David Wilcock, watching from the sidelines, 'saw' that we were going to lose everything, was very upset, and tried to warn us. Some day, when the history of Camelot is written (note to self -- do this!), I can tell the entire interesting story.

:focus:


2) UFO Watchdog (http://ufowatchdog.com) is absolutely not a reliable source of information about anyone at all, so I would not allow that to make a decision about the alien in the video!

All I know is that Sean was the researcher who was first sent the video by 'Victor' (I never knew his real name, and this was several years before I first met Sean) -- and Sean always insisted that Victor was authentic, and so was the video as best he knew.


3) Regarding the ETs supposedly being too advanced to be held prisoner, it's an interesting discussion. I would imagine that the being, if real, was being kept in all kinds of sophisticated electronic encasement -- as Dan Burisch's ET was in S-4 (Area 51), and I'm pretty sure that was a very real story.

[The Castellan]

you know, I am not an expert on alien movement. I hold the stillness of this being in peril under suspect. I have witnessed animals and humans in distress. all wiggles n movement. open to consideration. but I doubt.


Thanks for sharing

Much Love

G
Plus I used to be a caretaker for older, mentally retarded people....and many of them, ESPECIALLY when they get agitated, or in a temper tantrum, can move stiffly. I took care of one guy, he was born without eyeballs, and he walked stiffly and when on the sofa, being bored, he'd smack his arms about, stiffly. I saw a mentally retarded teenager with his mom at salvation army a few days ago, and he walked with a stiff manner.

Maybe silicon life moves in a stiff or mechanical manner. And if greys are, as some say, organic robots, maybe that is another reason as well.

But all in all, I am open to the idea than an alien life form would not move the same as I would. Also, with the darkness of the room in that video, maybe the alien is photosensitive. I even heard that those black eyes are NOT, in fact, eyes....but black lenses that cover their eyes to protect them from various forms of light or radiations.


Oh, and from what I have seen, if David Wilcock tells you something.....consider listening to him, mmmmkay?

[Gerald Paris]

I too am open to the possibility of course. Also, I consider every perspective and actively listen. I listen less to DW ever since he "vouched" for drake. (all talk these guys, mayhap vouched is too strong a word... in his initial interview with drake he spoke as though he vetted him). Though I do not believe a lot of the testimony I hear, I still consider them possible. Being that I do not know, I recognize the foolishness of forming belief one way because I don't agree with the other. Thank you for adding to the conversation.


Much Love

G

[Spellbound]

** bump **

Has this Victor guy ever resurfaced after his 2008 video?? I assume he died but he seems to like attention. He's a bit annoying but fascinating things he speaks of (end of times within 20 years...Cheney and Rumsfeld...etc).

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

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I do tend to believe this video is real.

A few years ago I talked at length with Sean David Morton - who was contacted by the original Area 51 source, with the video. Sean is pretty smart, and was convinced that both source and video were authentic.

I don't know this man but there are some negative comments about him:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-71iVY9st7yg/URmyL8wfwpI/AAAAAAAAAGY/FqEX3kS8UNg/s320/sdmrobe.jpg


wikipedia.org/Sean_David_Morton#Guilty_of_fraud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_David_Morton#Guilty_of_fraud)
The Shameless Psychic and his Prophecy of Lies (http://www.ufowatchdog.com/sean_morton_files_1.htm)




1) Long story here. Yes, Sean was found guilty of fraud by the SEC. I have all the papers.

Kerry lost about $116,000 (a major chunk of her mother's inheritance, which helped support our living expenses in the start-up of Camelot), and I lost $25,000. Not a penny has ever been returned. It's a story that's not been told.

Sean was not deliberately fraudulent -- just culpably negligent. He entrusted the funds to the care of someone (Daryl Weber) who was playing the ForEx market. Sean left him instructions on exactly what to do (when to sell, when to buy, etc) -- but Daryl figured he knew best.

Daryl went off on a long weekend's break, leaving his children in charge of the trading screens (go figure). The market crashed, and his kids had no idea what to do. When Daryl returned, everything was lost.

The problem was compounded in that thereafter, Sean did not come clean about what had happened for the next 12 months. Many people lost a great deal of money (the total was in the millions), and quite a number of them -- not Kerry or myself, btw -- filed suit.

An interesting footnote here is that David Wilcock, watching from the sidelines, 'saw' that we were going to lose everything, was very upset, and tried to warn us. Some day, when the history of Camelot is written (note to self -- do this!), I can tell the entire interesting story.

:focus:


2) UFO Watchdog (http://ufowatchdog.com) is absolutely not a reliable source of information about anyone at all, so I would not allow that to make a decision about the alien in the video!

All I know is that Sean was the researcher who was first sent the video by 'Victor' (I never knew his real name, and this was several years before I first met Sean) -- and Sean always insisted that Victor was authentic, and so was the video as best he knew.


3) Regarding the ETs supposedly being too advanced to be held prisoner, it's an interesting discussion. I would imagine that the being, if real, was being kept in all kinds of sophisticated electronic encasement -- as Dan Burisch's ET was in S-4 (Area 51), and I'm pretty sure that was a very real story.

I've never bought into Sean David Morton based on what I read about the lawsuits and accusations against him. Was a bit confused as to why both Bill and Kerry had his back in the Camelot days. I'd be interested to know the full story here.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

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I do tend to believe this video is real.

A few years ago I talked at length with Sean David Morton - who was contacted by the original Area 51 source, with the video. Sean is pretty smart, and was convinced that both source and video were authentic.

I don't know this man but there are some negative comments about him:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-71iVY9st7yg/URmyL8wfwpI/AAAAAAAAAGY/FqEX3kS8UNg/s320/sdmrobe.jpg



wikipedia.org/Sean_David_Morton#Guilty_of_fraud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_David_Morton#Guilty_of_fraud)
The Shameless Psychic and his Prophecy of Lies (http://www.ufowatchdog.com/sean_morton_files_1.htm)





1) Long story here. Yes, Sean was found guilty of fraud by the SEC. I have all the papers.

Kerry lost about $116,000 (a major chunk of her mother's inheritance, which helped support our living expenses in the start-up of Camelot), and I lost $25,000. Not a penny has ever been returned. It's a story that's not been told.

Sean was not deliberately fraudulent -- just culpably negligent. He entrusted the funds to the care of someone (Daryl Weber) who was playing the ForEx market. Sean left him instructions on exactly what to do (when to sell, when to buy, etc) -- but Daryl figured he knew best.

Daryl went off on a long weekend's break, leaving his children in charge of the trading screens (go figure). The market crashed, and his kids had no idea what to do. When Daryl returned, everything was lost.

The problem was compounded in that thereafter, Sean did not come clean about what had happened for the next 12 months. Many people lost a great deal of money (the total was in the millions), and quite a number of them -- not Kerry or myself, btw -- filed suit.

An interesting footnote here is that David Wilcock, watching from the sidelines, 'saw' that we were going to lose everything, was very upset, and tried to warn us. Some day, when the history of Camelot is written (note to self -- do this!), I can tell the entire interesting story.

:focus:


2) UFO Watchdog (http://ufowatchdog.com) is absolutely not a reliable source of information about anyone at all, so I would not allow that to make a decision about the alien in the video!

All I know is that Sean was the researcher who was first sent the video by 'Victor' (I never knew his real name, and this was several years before I first met Sean) -- and Sean always insisted that Victor was authentic, and so was the video as best he knew.


3) Regarding the ETs supposedly being too advanced to be held prisoner, it's an interesting discussion. I would imagine that the being, if real, was being kept in all kinds of sophisticated electronic encasement -- as Dan Burisch's ET was in S-4 (Area 51), and I'm pretty sure that was a very real story.

I've never bought into Sean David Morton based on what I read about the lawsuits and accusations against him. Was a bit confused as to why both Bill and Kerry had his back in the Camelot days. I'd be interested to know the full story here.

Dave - Toronto

Hi there, Dave: Sean was Kerry's friend, and I was introduced to him (and his wife Melissa) by her. I'm not 100% sure what you mean by 'having his back'... Camelot never interviewed him when I was working with Kerry.

The full story is summarized in the quote above. For reasons I have never been able to understand, Kerry herself has 'had his back' ever since her loss of over $100,000 at Sean's hands.

Sean's early work in the 1990s was ground-breaking and world-class. He did do some important stuff back then.

[Spellbound]

Hi Bill,

Sorry, I should have clarified. A few years back when I watched some of the Awake & Aware conference videos, this was when I was initially introduced to Sean as I wasn't aware of him before that. After that, I looked him up on the internet and that was when I found out about the lawsuits and accusations against him. That was why I was confused as to why Camelot was friendly with him (that's what I meant by...having his back). It seems to me that he's rather tainted as a result of the accusations and lawsuits. I wasn't aware of your's and Kerry's losses due to him until I read the above posts last night...which prompted my above response. If I had lost that amount of money (or any amount of money) to someone, I'd be furious....and yet he was welcomed at the A&A conference. I just found that to be a bit strange (though, to be honest, it's none of mine or anyone else's business).

Dave - Toronto

[mojo]

Is this a leaked ET interview? If so, what a chance to get answers...

PWxYUALC0qw

[syrwong]

I don't know why the description of the video is a release by Snowden dated 21, Aug. I saw the video on a Chinese site 3 weeks ago, dated 7, Aug. The description was brief: From the facebook of a German in July.

If you can tolerate 30 seconds of ads:

http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/gkYFQ5hVBX8/

[Shannon]

Yeah once the interviewer said "try me" and the entity answered i took the whole thing as entertainment. And then there's the part at the end where the entity cannot be understood (indiscernible) and I guess stands up....

A side note, the "alien gray", looks like my 15 year old "Russian blue"... Meow

[CaptnNemo]

Weather its real or not..The message conveyed is what matters. What it is said is known through out our community that these subjects in the conversation maybe factual to some extent to what is happening / happened in reality.

I can easily accept that if there were actual interviews / interrogations made back then or even today, it would probably look and sound like this.

My 2 cents, nevertheless great vid!! :D

[Satori]

I'm going out on a limb here and calling this a hoax. Entertaining, perhaps, true-no.

[CaptnNemo]

I'm going out on a limb here and calling this a hoax. Entertaining, perhaps, true-no.

What makes you sure it's not true ? Got any substantial and valid arguments or proof that it's not ? :noidea:

[mojo]

...if its a hoax its well done, the theme of the ET message is impressive and sound of the voice the eyelid movement and reflection is amazing... Its too bad the annotations were such a match for the rest of the video and difficult to tell modern from old video that way. I'm on the fence...hoax possibly because of the quality of the video if is was done long ago in the 40s-50s but maybe the footage is not so old 60-70s range?... if filmed later like the 60s or 70s it could be authentic.

[CaptnNemo]

Thanks Mojo,

This is what I mean, an opinion based on the evaluation one could make in every aspect of it's authenticity. Because at the end of it all, what is important to understand in that video ?
The message is, this is what makes you resonate or not inside.

Let's say this interview is the real deal. We have proof and acknowledgement and all what we need to say that this is true, than what!!??

Okay aliens are real!!?? No sh*t they are!! but than what. Would it necessarily mean that what he responds is also true ?? No, again, I, you, them, everybody's guess is as good as anyone unless you experienced first hand the situation. Other than that, its all a question of PERCEPTION like everything else in life, what we perceive as truth for ourselves will reflect into our reality no matter what and does not mean it's good for others.

Again, the message here is what matters and if it resonates inside you and makes you realize things or makes you become a better person in life, well it served it's purpose.

Cheers!! :)

[Atlas]

ALIEN INTERVIEW VIDEO OFFICIALLY DEBUNKED
http://www.isaackoi.com/images/stories/ufo_videos/video127_2d.jpg

UFO researcher, Isaac Koi, was quick to analyze the video and determine that it was most definitely a hoax. Koi was able to trace the video back to its original uploader, and that’s when it became clear that this was nothing more than a pet project of a digital effects artist. In an article written by Koi, he states that this was all done by:

“… Canadian visual effects artists Aristomenis Tsirbas (“Meni Tsirbas”) of MeniThings Productions. He has been a digital artist on ‘Star Trek: Deep Space Nine’, ‘Star Trek: Voyager’, ‘Star Trek: Enterprise’”

http://rogueplanet.tv/alien-interview-video-officially-debunked/12111

[Spacyman]

ALIEN INTERVIEW VIDEO OFFICIALLY DEBUNKED
http://www.isaackoi.com/images/stories/ufo_videos/video127_2d.jpg

UFO researcher, Isaac Koi, was quick to analyze the video and determine that it was most definitely a hoax. Koi was able to trace the video back to its original uploader, and that’s when it became clear that this was nothing more than a pet project of a digital effects artist. In an article written by Koi, he states that this was all done by:

“… Canadian visual effects artists Aristomenis Tsirbas (“Meni Tsirbas”) of MeniThings Productions. He has been a digital artist on ‘Star Trek: Deep Space Nine’, ‘Star Trek: Voyager’, ‘Star Trek: Enterprise’”

http://rogueplanet.tv/alien-interview-video-officially-debunked/12111

Well, that is stellar work then! His message is still valid though.

[Atlas]

A valid message from Star Trek digital artist, I don't think so.

"MeniThings hits another YouTube milestone - 20 million views!"

http://www.isaackoi.com/images/stories/ufo_videos/video080_4.JPG

http://www.isaackoi.com/ufo-videos/koi-ufo-video-127.html

[syrwong]

ET says the almost total extinction of the human race is due to dogma. It is the acceptance of beliefs without questioning. This is the 'success' of the mind-control educational programs and media propaganda, leading most people, especially those who think they are living in a free country to accept dogmas with little or no thinking. Here are some dogmas:
1. Religions -One born into a religious family is most likely to accept the religion. Most religions have the illuminatii structure.
2. Capitalism - The simple question is that if capitalism is so good, why the wealth is so concentrated in 1% and people are dying everyday of starvation? An evasing answer is that the world is not practicing true capitalism, change it a little and it is entirely different. But a flawed system cannot be changed to good. Thinking this way is a self-deceiving or being deceived.
3. Democracy - It is the worst dogma for being so much assciated with freedom but in fact bears no relation to it.

ET is right. It is quite clear that the country that has the most dogmas above is setting out to destroy humanity.

[Jayren]

That was pretty interesting. The message was quite clear. Get rid of politics and religion.

[CaptnNemo]

That was pretty interesting. The message was quite clear. Get rid of politics and religion.

Yes let's get rid of DIRTY, unhealthy, unethical politics, specifically the ones that controls them and mostly every other aspects of our lives. These are the culprits!! and yeah religion unquestionably especially the Vatican and anything that revolves around them.

[KiwiElf]

Whether it's faked or not - the message is true (ie, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater - this is exactly the dogma the message is talking about ;)

[Lifebringer]

With al the AI they are trying to program in war and intell and press to replace the human that may have a heart and not do certain things, machines would be incapable of feeling emotion for, but still have strategic imput on how humans fight to win wars, through video games that are linked. Microsoft X-Box comes to mind. INteractive with everything in the home, including videoing/listening you while you sleep.
Learning your patterns for survival, you know the military already has had training and now the drones do what soldiers do, and the soldiers are told lies by manipulated Presidents, they/ptw don't feel have the "need to know.' They just want democratically elected cheerleaders that can tell the best lie or defy them and go on risk of telling voters the truth. Like Carter, most Democratic Presidents have had to scratch, threaten, kick and try to steal the "need to know stuff." Therefore I feel it's safe to say that "one warmongering braggadocious sect of " the party KNOWS and the other kept just barely inside the loop of classified to make it look legit. Some political candidates(possibly with control tracker device inside them) are used as debunkers to their constituents. I watched a video of Hillary and it did really look like she was short circuiting at a smoothy shop stop. Perhaps the device is being rejected and she cannot be controlled? I don't know where the truth begins and the lie ends, but these times they are a changing.
Sheesh, if I keep putting out my strategy in thinking, or vetting on angles, they'll just install more hurdles to find the truth, so...telepathy, empathic and other gifts should be used, only when needed, like prayer with me. When I can't handle it, I turn it over to my God. Whether that's a snitch switch on what's going on here or not, I don't care. I just want this monkey-merry-go-round- of hate on humans and the planet, stopped.
If we can't focus on that, then no amount of sun-screen lotion, will keep the burn off you.

[Agape]

zHzPEpHYtXQ

See this is NASA sanctioned , scientifically supported , first class computer graphics animation of imaginary 'alien planet' .

If you understand the mission you're in. If you need more proofs of what we're capable of start keep working on it.

Or , end up watching movies . My best guess


:alien::popcorn:

[Justplain]

This short video, of an 'alien' interview dated from 1964, is attributed to an Edward Snowden leak (posted to youtube in Sept, 2016). Here is a summary of what this being says:

- he is a human descendent from the future
- he/they are back here now to observe because the records of our world had been lost
- if one can travel great distances in space, one can do the same with time
- the earth is fundamentally destroyed in the 21st century because dogmatic countries get weapons of mass destruction and cause a nuclear war from which there are only a very few survivors
- he espouses the 'law of one', that all life is the experience of one being and that there is no death
- the basis for morality is compassion and evidence

YvmTA72oI7c

The communication from this being is so profound, that although i had not heard of such a Snowden video leak so i am skeptical, it catches me off guard. Dan Burisch mentions that all the 'aliens' he ever met were humans from the future. Is this one of them?

[Flowerpunkchip]

made me laugh

[Innocent Warrior]

Hard to believe a grey from the future would be communicating with speech. No link to Snowden leak provided. Indication old film effects were added after the subtitles. Entertaining but fake I think.

[boutreality]

Nuclear annihilation is a far more unlikely ending for man than TPTB would have us imagine.

[Atlas]

See my posts here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92956-Leaked-Alien-interview-No-a-hoax-but-with-a-good-message&p=1094315&viewfull=1#post1094315):


ALIEN INTERVIEW VIDEO OFFICIALLY DEBUNKED
http://www.isaackoi.com/images/stories/ufo_videos/video127_2d.jpg

UFO researcher, Isaac Koi, was quick to analyze the video and determine that it was most definitely a hoax. Koi was able to trace the video back to its original uploader, and that’s when it became clear that this was nothing more than a pet project of a digital effects artist. In an article written by Koi, he states that this was all done by:

“… Canadian visual effects artists Aristomenis Tsirbas (“Meni Tsirbas”) of MeniThings Productions. He has been a digital artist on ‘Star Trek: Deep Space Nine’, ‘Star Trek: Voyager’, ‘Star Trek: Enterprise’”

http://rogueplanet.tv/alien-interview-video-officially-debunked/12111

"MeniThings hits another YouTube milestone - 20 million views!"

http://www.isaackoi.com/images/stories/ufo_videos/video080_4.JPG

http://www.isaackoi.com/ufo-videos/koi-ufo-video-127.html

[uzn]

Aristomenis Tsirbas surely did not do his homework. All Insiders said that advanced beings communicate via telepathy. The aged Film filter Looks fake why on earth should Film turn Brown while aging ? Thats not a Photograph. And trying to connect it to Edward Snowden ???? Shame on you Aristomenis Tsirbas, go in the Corner and face the wall ;)

[Innocent Warrior]

See my posts...

Hi Atlas - would you mind sharing your opinion on the authenticity of this one please? => https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iEebjUpWBdw

[Atlas]

Hi Innocent Warrior,

I was unable to debunk this video so far. Some people say Victor was in fact Bob Dean as he wore a very similar tie but it's no proof:
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Here is a thread: projectavalon.net/Alien Interview: Hoax Puppet (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8822-Alien-Interview-Hoax-Puppet)

And the documentary:
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[Bill Ryan]

See my posts...

Hi Atlas - would you mind sharing your opinion on the authenticity of this one please? => https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iEebjUpWBdw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEebjUpWBdw

Sean David Morton was sent the video in the 90s by 'Victor', and knew his identity. I talked with Sean extensively about this back in 2006-7.

I'm pretty convinced it's real. (And no, 'Victor' was not Bob Dean.)

[7alon]

See my posts...

Hi Atlas - would you mind sharing your opinion on the authenticity of this one please? => https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iEebjUpWBdw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEebjUpWBdw

Sean David Morton was sent the video in the 90s by 'Victor', and knew his identity. I talked with Sean extensively about this back in 2006-7.

I'm pretty convinced it's real. (And no, 'Victor' was not Bob Dean.)

Thanks for sharing your view on this Bill, I have actually been very curious about this one for a while. Something about it makes me feel like it is real also.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

See my posts...

Hi Atlas - would you mind sharing your opinion on the authenticity of this one please? => https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iEebjUpWBdw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEebjUpWBdw

Sean David Morton was sent the video in the 90s by 'Victor', and knew his identity. I talked with Sean extensively about this back in 2006-7.

I'm pretty convinced it's real. (And no, 'Victor' was not Bob Dean.)

Thanks for sharing your view on this Bill, I have actually been very curious about this one for a while. Something about it makes me feel like it is real also.

I feel very much the same. First time I saw that, I got the willies and that virtually never happens with vids of this type. I usually always shake my head. The being's eyes are a little more forward and rounder than I remember, from beings I have seen with my own eyes, but even so, something flashed in my mind that this was the real deal. That Bob Dean himself endorsed the video was icing on the cake.

The only remaining question for me is the slightly suspect story of how the video tape was smuggled out. It would make their security surprisingly lax, which is not likely, alternatively it was a controlled leak, which makes you wonder what the agenda is behind it.

[7alon]

I've seen the interviews with this 'Victor' guy as well. He acts really strange in my opinion, like he actually is acting.

[Bill Ryan]

I've seen the interviews with this 'Victor' guy as well. He acts really strange in my opinion, like he actually is acting.

Yes. I think, but do not know, this was the 'real' Victor — but he was reading from prepared answers.

[Bill Ryan]

Sean David Morton, who released the footage 20 years ago, offers comments on his 'Dr J' radio interview of 26 July 2016.

The whole interview (a pretty interesting one) is here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P6npkDYhZo), and the two brief sections, which I spliced together, are at 46:03 and 1:42:22.


http://projectavalon.net/Sean_David_Morton_on_the_Alien_Interview_26_July_2016.mp4 (1 min 20 secs, 750 Kb)

(Mod note: I also merged 4 threads on the same subject.)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

:bump:

Bumping, for no special reason than this is still a fascinating piece of footage, and perhaps there are some here who haven't seen it before.

I still think it's genuine, but I'm not completely sold on the story of how it got out.

I think the story goes that a portion of video tape was unreeled from the cassette and then wrapped around an arm or a leg, and simply walked out of the facility. Perhaps they knew that security was just that porous, but still, it's risky as hell. It's the sort of thing that can send you into the desert for a dirt nap. The problem is, magnetic tape is not very durable. It's going to crinkle and deform and that will result in a poor quality picture, full of noise, when you play it back. But there is no such distortion in the footage. This is an anomaly, and it remains my one concern.

[panpsych]

After researching this case for nearly a decade I still can't rule out that it's genuine. My main worry is that it wouldn't sit consistently with my view that the Burisch testimony is also fairly accurate, particularly given the stringent biospheric and contamination protocols Burisch detailed for even sharing the same space as the S4 J-Rods, which are clearly not being observed by the "medics" in the Victor footage.

One sensible thing to conclude is that Victor did not obtain this footage from S4, and perhaps used this as a cover story for the facility he truly did gain it from. This would seem supported by the fact that the descriptions he gave Morton and Art Bell (during his only public interview given outside of a Rocket Productions outfit) of the security measures in place at S4 did not match Lazar or Burisch's account very accurately.

Victor mentioned a retinal scan, but no "weighing in/out", nor the hand bone scanning devices typical to Lazar's account.

Another way to reconcile the accounts is to say that the protocols may have been altered/updated by the time Burisch interacted with the J-Rod he met. After all, one detail that both his and Burisch's testimony agree on is that something about the ET's they observed didn't seem "quite physical", leading Victor to conclude that they were interdimensional and Burisch, who obviously was briefed about their lineage knew them to be time travellers.

Nonetheless, if we want to say the footage was a fake, it's evaded a successful debunking from a museum of high quality investigators, many of whom were hot on this case much closer to the time it happened, for nearly two decades. We'd have a lot of empirical work to do to successfully reject it.

[Mike Gorman]

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I recall this footage doing the UFO forum rounds over 10 years ago, this guy is asserting it is the real deal, what do you guys reckon...it is interesting.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

And real, I'm 100% certain.

Here's the original documentary footage with commentary from the the whistleblower 'Victor'.

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For more context and some older discussions see: The Area 51 'Alien Interview' video (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8822-The-Area-51-Alien-Interview-video)

[seehas]

I rember seeing this footage right after it was released, i had a feeling that it was real back then and now i know for a fact it is real i have seen these beeings myself they exist.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Another little snippet I thought interesting and which I'd not heard before.

At about the 23min mark of the interview he reported Doty saying he thought the origin of the being was "the Kalahari crash". That is interesting. The Kalahari incident was a UFO crash that occurred in South Africa in 1989. In fact it wasn't a crash but a shoot-down. I spoke at length with Tony Dodd myself about this in around '90, and he interviewed the pilot who fired the Maser that shot that craft down. A key detail of the downed craft was the beings - at least two survived - were "Grey-type" entities but more insectoid.

I'd never heard until today the Kalahari incident connected with the Alien Interview. If you look at the being closely it does indeed have insectoid characteristics in comparison to a traditional Grey.


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[seehas]

Another little snippet I thought interesting and which I'd not heard before.

At about the 23min mark of the interview he reported Doty saying he thought the origin of the being was "the Kalahari crash". That is interesting. The Kalahari incident was a UFO crash that occurred in South Africa in 1989. In fact it wasn't a crash but a shoot-down. I spoke at length with Tony Dodd myself about this in around '90, and he interviewed the pilot who fired the Maser that shot that craft down. A key detail of the downed craft was the beings - at least two survived - were "Grey-type" entities but more insectoid.

I'd never heard until today the Kalahari incident connected with the Alien Interview. If you look at the being closely it does indeed have insectoid characteristics in comparison to a traditional Grey.


51340

thats what i have observed myself, the skin tone is light brown/red and the face has insect type of features and is very different to the "random" grey, these beeings arent robotic and have a soul.

it could be best described as mantid head/face features connected to a humanoid body

[ExomatrixTV]

When I saw it for the first time when it was just released way, way back ... I immediately felt it was NOT "alien" but much more like a "Bio-Robot" or a Genetic Engineered Hybrid maybe part Synthetic Biology (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/may/20/craig-venter-synthetic-life-form)? ... Nano + BioTech? From the Future? ... or ... Are current humans capable of doing this secretly in D.U.M.B.s (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Deep_Underground_Military_Base) like Dulce! ... See:


Underground Bases (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?179-Underground-Bases)


If they can use a genes of a spider and mix it with a Goat ... producing a "Spider Goat (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/jan/14/synthetic-biology-spider-goat-genetics)" that still looks like a "normal Goat" with one difference: it produces silk not milk that is super flexible ... "spider-goat silk" is stronger than steel, super light-weight used among others for making much better bulletproof vests! ... And this was done decades ago!

Now imagine they use genes of an ant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant) mix it with humans! ... How would it look like? ... Depending on the dominance of the genes!

Just saying.

Part of this concept were stated by me on record when I gave a UFO lecture in 20 November 1992 at our 1st international UFO Conference held in Amsterdam ... Later I heard that part of the team who were responsible for producing "The X-Files (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_X-Files)" series in 1993 used my research and were present at our UFO Conference in 1992. I remember my sister who is a Science Fiction fan, watching the series, telling me: "hey John that is exactly what you discussed at your UFO lecture in 1992!" ... all I did is "speculating" based upon thousands of hours of deep UFO research.

Later in 1996 I was on Dutch 🇳🇱 National TV called "Nova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_(Dutch_TV_program))" similar quality to "CBS 60 minutes" ALSO discussing the "Real X Files" and me co-organizing UFO Conferences in Amsterdam. Stating that part of the reported allegedly "alien encounters" called: "the grays" with large heads and big black eyes are not aliens but a result of genetic engineering (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzIRESc9mk&t=278s)! ... Secretly or from the Future.

cheers,
John 🦜🦋🌳


Me in 1996 when I was 30 years young (26 years ago):

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see also this (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117698-Video-of-German-WW2-UFO-Technology-flying...&p=1479358&viewfull=1#post1479358)



Me on Dutch 🇳🇱 National TV 1996 called "Nova (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_(Dutch_TV_program))" discussing "The Real X Files" (26 years ago):

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Listen/read carefully what I say at the 4:38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzIRESc9mk&t=278s) marker in this video broadcasted on Dutch 🇳🇱 National TV (stating that in 1996).

[Patient]

Another little snippet I thought interesting and which I'd not heard before.

At about the 23min mark of the interview he reported Doty saying he thought the origin of the being was "the Kalahari crash". That is interesting. The Kalahari incident was a UFO crash that occurred in South Africa in 1989. In fact it wasn't a crash but a shoot-down. I spoke at length with Tony Dodd myself about this in around '90, and he interviewed the pilot who fired the Maser that shot that craft down. A key detail of the downed craft was the beings - at least two survived - were "Grey-type" entities but more insectoid.

I'd never heard until today the Kalahari incident connected with the Alien Interview. If you look at the being closely it does indeed have insectoid characteristics in comparison to a traditional Grey.


51340

thats what i have observed myself, the skin tone is light brown/red and the face has insect type of features and is very different to the "random" grey, these beeings arent robotic and have a soul.

it could be best described as mantid head/face features connected to a humanoid body

It certainly makes me wonder - how many different versions of "Greys" could there be?

Once we get to the point of having real active contact (regardless when that is), we will need to have some sort of "glasses of true sight" or something so that we can know who we are actually communicating to.

I don't think that secret hand shakes will work. ;)

[seehas]

Another little snippet I thought interesting and which I'd not heard before.

At about the 23min mark of the interview he reported Doty saying he thought the origin of the being was "the Kalahari crash". That is interesting. The Kalahari incident was a UFO crash that occurred in South Africa in 1989. In fact it wasn't a crash but a shoot-down. I spoke at length with Tony Dodd myself about this in around '90, and he interviewed the pilot who fired the Maser that shot that craft down. A key detail of the downed craft was the beings - at least two survived - were "Grey-type" entities but more insectoid.

I'd never heard until today the Kalahari incident connected with the Alien Interview. If you look at the being closely it does indeed have insectoid characteristics in comparison to a traditional Grey.


51340

thats what i have observed myself, the skin tone is light brown/red and the face has insect type of features and is very different to the "random" grey, these beeings arent robotic and have a soul.

it could be best described as mantid head/face features connected to a humanoid body

It certainly makes me wonder - how many different versions of "Greys" could there be?

Once we get to the point of having real active contact (regardless when that is), we will need to have some sort of "glasses of true sight" or something so that we can know who we are actually communicating to.

I don't think that secret hand shakes will work. ;)

we all have what you have called "true sight" ability, it can be unlocked by spiritual awakening and higher vibration of our consciousness, many starseeds are born with this ability already

[Mike Gorman]

I recall the African school kids who witnessed a landing on their oval, or close by, one little girl (at the time, they would all be grown ups today) described a being who fits this being's visage, large black eyes and telepathic communications, perhaps these beings were visiting regularly around that time?

[Eva2]

I seem to recall there was a written transcript that of the interview with this Being that was very interesting. I think I may have seen/read it from a posting some years ago on this forum? I wouldn't mind reading it again if anyone can find it?

[Bill Ryan]

I seem to recall there was a written transcript that of the interview with this Being that was very interesting. I think I may have seen/read it from a posting some years ago on this forum? I wouldn't mind reading it again if anyone can find it?As best I know, this particular being never communicated anything that was transcribed and leaked to the public.

The video shows it experiencing some kind of medical crisis, though according to John Stewart (in his interview with Clayton Morris) there were military telepaths present in the room and the whole episode would probably have had quite a prequel before this small clip was extracted from a longer recording.

[Eva2]

I seem to recall there was a written transcript that of the interview with this Being that was very interesting. I think I may have seen/read it from a posting some years ago on this forum? I wouldn't mind reading it again if anyone can find it?As best I know, this particular being never communicated anything that was transcribed and leaked to the public.

The video shows it experiencing some kind of medical crisis, though according to John Stewart (in his interview with Clayton Morris) there were military telepaths present in the room and the whole episode would probably have had quite a prequel before this small clip was extracted from a longer recording.

Thanks - I know I had read some transcript from an interview with an alien at Area 51 before - seems it wasn't "this one" then. Maybe I got it mixed up with another but definitely recall a written Q&A from a Being on film.

I have only scrolled thru so far and this video shows the alien footage around the 33 min mark but there "appears" to be a vague reference to an interview. I haven't watched it yet so not sure of the full content.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thdzV3VGzwo

[selinam]

Hmmm Why are the videos always so dark and hard to see? If that’s because it is too bright for the alien why do they shine the light directly into its eyes so much?

[Strat]

Does anyone know if Dan Burish has commented on this? Seems like it's right up his alley.

[Bill Ryan]

Yes, 100% real. :thumbsup:

A fantastic interview of John Stewart by Clayton Morris, and an important one too. I was riveted from beginning to end.

I was well aware of 'Victor's alien interview footage from 1997, and had always known it was real. But I had no idea of the backstory and all the detail that John Stewart had recently discovered, and then methodically verified*. If anyone interested in this watches this video, I doubt they'll be disappointed

*A side note. Richard Doty was one of the many that Stewart contacted and who shared what he knew of this. I've spent personal time with Doty, and can vouch that he's an extremely pleasant man who when he was working in Air Force Intelligence was simply doing his job and nothing more. He knows a huge amount about a lot of things, and is NOT a 'disinfo agent'. Ufology trolls love to target and badmouth him, but little of any of that is deserved.

[Michel Leclerc]

Hmmm Why are the videos always so dark and hard to see? If that’s because it is too bright for the alien why do they shine the light directly into its eyes so much?

Thank you Selinam for this thought. When at the time I watched this video I found it almost unbearable. The poor being was under duress. Did Thee have difficulty breathing? The way the interrogators seemed to busy themselves around Thee I felt it was equivalent to torture. A torture of the soul showing as torture of the body. A vivisection-like animal experiment on a being our primitive, painful “grid” was being pressed upon. Would God forgive us our acting like that with His angels?

[panpsych]

I seem to recall there was a written transcript that of the interview with this Being that was very interesting. I think I may have seen/read it from a posting some years ago on this forum? I wouldn't mind reading it again if anyone can find it?As best I know, this particular being never communicated anything that was transcribed and leaked to the public.

The video shows it experiencing some kind of medical crisis, though according to John Stewart (in his interview with Clayton Morris) there were military telepaths present in the room and the whole episode would probably have had quite a prequel before this small clip was extracted from a longer recording.

Yes, indeed. In fact, if memory serves, Victor claimed both as part of his narration of the clip in the Rocket Productions picture it featured in and in his subsequent media commitment with Art Bell and SDM on C2C, that this video was "late in the series", suggesting it was a trim from not only one larger piece of film, but a clip from one film in a much longer series of videos taken.

Whether the series V referred to focused on just this being or perhaps more is interesting to consider.

Victor, however, did cryptically allude (particularly in his C2C roundtable) to some of the information which allegedly was deciphered by the 'telepaths' on the program, though he was careful to hedge the claims that they'd successfully communicated with the ET(s) with the notice that he'd never encountered any evidence to suggest that they were anything more than late night psychic-hotline types, who could just as easily have been placating the program-leaders with a load of bunk to justify their continued presence.

Nevertheless, Victor never specified if it was *this* ET whom the telepaths claimed to have extracted info from, or another. (NB: though he *does* say something like "the telepath was trying to clarify some points from a previous interview but wasn't receiving coherent responses, suggesting this ET may have "spoken" before).

[Bill Ryan]

in his subsequent media commitment with Art Bell and SDM on C2CAre any of these audios archived anywhere? I would be most interested to hear them.

[panpsych]

in his subsequent media commitment with Art Bell and SDM on C2CAre any of these audios archived anywhere? I would be most interested to hear them.

I was quite surprised that someone still has the whole C2C show with Art Bell on a YouTube playlist DSbUfl3sN4o

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

in his subsequent media commitment with Art Bell and SDM on C2CAre any of these audios archived anywhere? I would be most interested to hear them.

I was quite surprised that someone still has the whole C2C show with Art Bell on a YouTube playlist DSbUfl3sN4o

Excellent, thanks for that. This is part 1/8.

Here are the others

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-T0byU0rwc&t=2s
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LxMnbWl95o
Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-OxGdcU9Q4
Part 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jj13rwpTro
Part 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxsM4U5mE2k
Part 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5luodTTOV1Q
Part 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj0O0ApyiTI

Full Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSbUfl3sN4o&list=PLD92C3C5D5C5C4580

Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later 1/2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ9eQoqsMwY
Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later 2/2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jee-4yWzp0c

[Satori]

in his subsequent media commitment with Art Bell and SDM on C2CAre any of these audios archived anywhere? I would be most interested to hear them.

I was quite surprised that someone still has the whole C2C show with Art Bell on a YouTube playlist DSbUfl3sN4o

Excellent, thanks for that. This is part 1/8.

Here are the others

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-T0byU0rwc&t=2s
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LxMnbWl95o
Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-OxGdcU9Q4
Part 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jj13rwpTro
Part 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxsM4U5mE2k
Part 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5luodTTOV1Q
Part 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj0O0ApyiTI

Full Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSbUfl3sN4o&list=PLD92C3C5D5C5C4580

Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later 1/2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ9eQoqsMwY
Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later 2/2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jee-4yWzp0c

Thank you for this.

Query: In Victor Returns 11Years Later 2/2, what is that over the shoulders of “Victor” at about 6:18 to 6:25 or so? Coming from our right to left in the screen.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

To me it looks like a bird.

[panpsych]

in his subsequent media commitment with Art Bell and SDM on C2CAre any of these audios archived anywhere? I would be most interested to hear them.

I was quite surprised that someone still has the whole C2C show with Art Bell on a YouTube playlist DSbUfl3sN4o

Excellent, thanks for that. This is part 1/8.

Here are the others

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-T0byU0rwc&t=2s
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LxMnbWl95o
Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-OxGdcU9Q4
Part 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jj13rwpTro
Part 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxsM4U5mE2k
Part 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5luodTTOV1Q
Part 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj0O0ApyiTI

Full Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSbUfl3sN4o&list=PLD92C3C5D5C5C4580

Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later 1/2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQ9eQoqsMwY
Alien Interview - Victor Returns 11 Years Later 2/2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jee-4yWzp0c

Thank you for this.

Query: In Victor Returns 11Years Later 2/2, what is that over the shoulders of “Victor” at about 6:18 to 6:25 or so? Coming from our right to left in the screen.

This "Return" interview was released as "bonus" content for a 10th anniversary pressing of the documentary made by Rocket Productions. As I recall, this edition featured all kinds of cheesy post-production "artistic" choices, such as editing in a bunch of "UFOs" zooming around in the background of shots. I believe this is one of them (if not, as Mark says, a bird).

[Satori]

To me it looks like a bird.

That’s what I think too. But when it simply vanished I scratched my head a bit.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

in his subsequent media commitment with Art Bell and SDM on C2CAre any of these audios archived anywhere? I would be most interested to hear them.

I was quite surprised that someone still has the whole C2C show with Art Bell on a YouTube playlist DSbUfl3sN4o

Excellent, thanks for that. This is part 1/8.

Here are the others

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-T0byU0rwc&t=2s
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LxMnbWl95o
Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-OxGdcU9Q4
Part 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jj13rwpTro
Part 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxsM4U5mE2k
Part 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5luodTTOV1Q
Part 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj0O0ApyiTI



Not an easy listen. The narrative is disjointed, and the topics jump all over the place. Almost every question put to Victor is met with a hesitant pause, and he stammers frequently. The host's predilection to fill a pregnant silence often results in Victor being cut off just as he's about to articulate something -- and who knows something interesting. As much as I like and admire Art Bell this was infuriating.

I did my best to summarize the interview with the following bullet-points.


The footage was digitized from old analogue tape
The ET in the footage came from a craft shot down in '89
We have the technology to shoot down alien craft
Victor believes they can only be shot down when aliens choose to be shot down
Four persons were present in the interview
Telepaths present in the interview are not very skilled
Any perceived maltreatment of the aliens stems from our helplessness/lack of knowledge (dealing with them)
These black programs are full of "well-educated charlatanism". Need for security trumps scientific expertise
The ETs have a level of advancement beyond our ability to understand
ETs are biologically inert in relation to our ecosystem


The ETs in custody routinely contract debilitating illnesses
All ETs in government possession are likely dead (by now)
He thinks the ETs are presenting themselves (to be captured) as a "test" (of humanity)
Aliens understand us better than we understand them
The ET's answers (in interview) calibrated to some purpose of their own not clearly understood by us
Believes the ETs' programs on the human race are as old as the human race
Victor himself personally encountered ETs at S-4. Doesn't make clear he was present at the same session shown in footage
His encounter elicited strong emotional reaction: sorrow, and anger. Felt intense presence within him that was "foreign". Experience changed him.


Area 51 is now defunct, many of the alien facilities abandoned (at time of interview, late 90s)
S-4 has four underground levels. First two levels for back-engineering program (of alien craft)
Goes on to back up Bob Lazar's account
Level three and four contain living quarters for the EBEs. The EBE's breathe normal oxygen.
When autopsied, ETs have the organs of a biological entity. They function as a biological entity, but lack certain (regular) chemical and physical functions
Does not believe that ETs die (in captivity) because they cannot live in our environment. Implies they "allow" humans to exercise their free will (in mistreating them) as a test
Victor has never witnessed other ET species. Not a believer in Pleiadians or other humanoid alien types
Doesn't believe the ETs (Greys) are from Zeta Reticuli, or deep space. If he were to speculate, they come from other dimension or a contiguous place not available to us to visit


Area 51/S-4 operation moved to Utah (my comment – probably Dugway Proving Grounds)
He (Victor) will not (which is different to does not) confirm Bob Lazar worked on craft at S-4, but his information is essentially correct
On this he can make no further pronouncement – this to protect his anonymity
ET craft were absolutely at S-4. He can confirm that
The saucers may at this time still be at S-4, but believes they will be moved, cannot say how
John Lear's claim that many bases are connected by huge underground tunnels – he cannot confirm this. He hasn't seen evidence of these tunnels, but can't rule it out – he's seen what the beings have allowed humans to do with their technology. If it was part of their plan he supposes it might be possible
Confirms Area 51 at Groom Lake is a testing ground for super-secret aircraft. S-4 at Papoose Lake (on the other hand) is separate, and is the site of the truly black programs
Test flights (of exotic craft) ceased around Area51/S-4 in late 1991, or early 1992
Government congratulates itself for having ET prisoners, but Victor believes ETs are allowing themselves to be captured for a reason


Doubles down on keeping his profile at Groom Lake/S-4 secret, will not confirm his role there or if he's still employed (on the base)
Opportunity to smuggle out more video/other evidence has passed. Obtaining initial 3min video clip was result of an opportunity presenting itself at a particular moment when the facility was in turmoil. A moment of confusion made it possible
His striking a deal with Rocket Pictures was financially motivated
The riches (of evidence) available (at the facility) is truly mind-boggling
Believes the alien autopsy film (Santilli) to be a hoax. Footage of being doesn't resemble ones he's seen or is in documentation he's aware of – but he hasn't himself seen the autopsy film from Roswell, so it "could" be true (real).
Uncertain what would happen to him if he's identified. At worst, he would be dead.
Being in the footage was not in any way restrained, but it was weak/sick
It has four fingers (on in each hand) one of which resembles a thumb
The ETs' contact with government resembles a test, and it's a test he thinks we are failing

[panpsych]

Not an easy listen. The narrative is disjointed, and the topics jump all over the place. Almost every question put to Victor is met with a hesitant pause, and he stammers frequently. The host's predilection to fill a pregnant silence often results in Victor being cut off just as he's about to articulate something -- and who knows something interesting. As much as I like and admire Art Bell this was infuriating.

Whilst I completely agree that all of these issues are present in the interview, I'd strongly caution against discouraging people to listen to it if they can stomach it, if only because these imperfections and unrehearsed, awkward inflections add some credence to the possibility that they aren't being read off the back of a napkin.

There are also inferences within those awkwardly pregnant pauses that I'd speculate would probably go unnoticed in a transcript.

[Bill Ryan]

in his subsequent media commitment with Art Bell and SDM on C2CAre any of these audios archived anywhere? I would be most interested to hear them.

I was quite surprised that someone still has the whole C2C show with Art Bell on a YouTube playlist DSbUfl3sN4o

Excellent, thanks for that. This is part 1/8.

Here are the others

Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-T0byU0rwc&t=2s
Part 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LxMnbWl95o
Part 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-OxGdcU9Q4
Part 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jj13rwpTro
Part 6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxsM4U5mE2k
Part 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5luodTTOV1Q
Part 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj0O0ApyiTI



Not an easy listen. The narrative is disjointed, and the topics jump all over the place. Almost every question put to Victor is met with a hesitant pause, and he stammers frequently. The host's predilection to fill a pregnant silence often results in Victor being cut off just as he's about to articulate something -- and who knows something interesting. As much as I like and admire Art Bell this was infuriating.

I did my best to summarize the interview with the following bullet-points.


The footage was digitized from old analogue tape
The ET in the footage came from a craft shot down in '89
We have the technology to shoot down alien craft
Victor believes they can only be shot down when aliens choose to be shot down
Four persons were present in the interview
Telepaths present in the interview are not very skilled
Any perceived maltreatment of the aliens stems from our helplessness/lack of knowledge (dealing with them)
These black programs are full of "well-educated charlatanism". Need for security trumps scientific expertise
The ETs have a level of advancement beyond our ability to understand
ETs are biologically inert in relation to our ecosystem
The ETs in custody routinely contract debilitating illnesses
All ETs in government possession are likely dead (by now)
He thinks the ETs are presenting themselves (to be captured) as a "test" (of humanity)
Aliens understand us better than we understand them
The ET's answers (in interview) calibrated to some purpose of their own not clearly understood by us
Believes the ETs' programs on the human race are as old as the human race
Victor himself personally encountered ETs at S-4. Doesn't make clear he was present at the same session shown in footage
His encounter elicited strong emotional reaction: sorrow, and anger. Felt intense presence within him that was "foreign". Experience changed him.
Area 51 is now defunct, many of the alien facilities abandoned (at time of interview, late 90s)
S-4 has four underground levels. First two levels for back-engineering program (of alien craft)
Goes on to back up Bob Lazar's account
Level three and four contain living quarters for the EBEs. The EBE's breathe normal oxygen.
When autopsied, ETs have the organs of a biological entity. They function as a biological entity, but lack certain (regular) chemical and physical functions
Does not believe that ETs die (in captivity) because they cannot live in our environment. Implies they "allow" humans to exercise their free will (in mistreating them) as a test
Victor has never witnessed other ET species. Not a believer in Pleiadians or other humanoid alien types
Doesn't believe the ETs (Greys) are from Zeta Reticuli, or deep space. If he were to speculate, they come from other dimension or a contiguous place not available to us to visit.
Area 51/S-4 operation moved to Utah (my comment – probably Dugway Proving Grounds)
He (Victor) will not (which is different to does not) confirm Bob Lazar worked on craft at S-4, but his information is essentially correct
On this he can make no further pronouncement – this to protect his anonymity
ET craft were absolutely at S-4. He can confirm that
The saucers may at this time still be at S-4, but believes they will be moved, cannot say how
John Lear's claim that many bases are connected by huge underground tunnels – he cannot confirm this. He hasn't seen evidence of these tunnels, but can't rule it out – he's seen what the beings have allowed humans to do with their technology. If it was part of their plan he supposes it might be possible
Confirms Area 51 at Groom Lake is a testing ground for super-secret aircraft. S-4 at Papoose Lake (on the other hand) is separate, and is the site of the truly black programs
Test flights (of exotic craft) ceased around Area51/S-4 in late 1991, or early 1992
Government congratulates itself for having ET prisoners, but Victor believes ETs are allowing themselves to be captured for a reason
Doubles down on keeping his profile at Groom Lake/S-4 secret, will not confirm his role there or if he's still employed (on the base)
Opportunity to smuggle out more video/other evidence has passed. Obtaining initial 3min video clip was result of an opportunity presenting itself at a particular moment when the facility was in turmoil. A moment of confusion made it possible
His striking a deal with Rocket Pictures was financially motivated
The riches (of evidence) available (at the facility) is truly mind-boggling
Believes the alien autopsy film (Santilli) to be a hoax. Footage of being doesn't resemble ones he's seen or is in documentation he's aware of – but he hasn't himself seen the autopsy film from Roswell, so it "could" be true (real).
Uncertain what would happen to him if he's identified. At worst, he would be dead.
Being in the footage was not in any way restrained, but it was weak/sick
It has four fingers (on in each hand) one of which resembles a thumb
The ETs' contact with government resembles a test, and it's a test he thinks we are failing

Many thanks, and very very useful. :highfive:

All those responses sound authentic to me, especially his saying that doesn't believe the Greys are from Zeta Reticuli. I've never bought that either, though it's so widely posted and re-posted now it's almost something that "everyone knows".

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

If I remember rightly the Zeta Reticuli connection first came up in the Betty and Barney Hill abduction case in the early 60's. A star map that Betty drew (from memory) was later matched to the Zeta Reticuli star system. As far as I know, that seems to be the only connection this system has with the ETs.

Besides, the ETs in this case were not in my opinion Greys. For a start their eyes were quite different. Though enlarged they had human characteristics, including an iris and pupil.

The ETs Betty and Barney Encountered
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Another difference (to Greys) is these beings were heard to mumble to one another in an unknown language. Greys have no capacity for speech. The mouth is merely a simulacrum of one; they have no tongue per se or a voice box. Communication is by thought transfer only.

[ExomatrixTV]

"Channeled" Drawing from 1904:

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/code_matrix/images/codema99.jpg





The Hyperdimensional Being known as Aiwass (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiwass) (The Lam) channeled through Aleister Crowley (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley) in 1904 gave him a coded language of power to use amongst the Psyconauts which they came to be known as. Aiwass is also the sign of the Single Bolt in Ancient Germanic which can be found in (Letters and Numbers). Aiwass was the classic "Gray" alien (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal_lam.htm) sent by the dark side as an extraterrestrial imposter.


source (https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/code_matrix/codematrix051-075.htm)

[Paul D.]

I read that Lam actually had large eyes like a Grey but Crowley omitted that from his sketch as he thought it would give it more credibility.

[Denise/Dizi]

Sadly, those that have the largest interest in the subject also find themselves with the least amount of time to research such things... I would think that an advanced civilization that was trying to determine the fate of humanity would not just attempt the whole "Take me to your leader" exercise, but they would take a more general sampling of all cultures, and random test samples among the masses, and see how THEY react to a wider scope of reality, and the souls within it.

This leads me to the whole alien abduction rash of experiencers... Those whom have had contacts and who have generally found them to be friendly, and welcomed more visitations from them... As a great many of humans have had this reaction to their contact experiences!!!

Isn't Victor the same person who initially gave the Project Serpo information? If this is true one could speculate that he would deliberately give some misinformation along with the true details that he DID know, in order to keep his identity a secret.... IE if he spoke of a detail others did NOT know, it could immediately place him into danger.

I did note that he mentioned Nixon was in on his own little "Cabal", and that he singled out Bush as not even being human in the sense that we would think of him.. This reminds me of the George Green inference that all leaders these days are either clones, being driven by "Others" or et in nature. Truly, even "A stranger at the Pentagon" suggested that et could easily walk among us and we wouldn't even know...

I did find a few things in the interviews that I found very telling...

1. Victor got very frustrated about the lack of effort to follow up on such information be any "credible" researcher... I suppose if I had taken such a risk, and shared that kind of knowledge at the risk of. losing my own life, I too, would get very frustrated with the circus we call ufology... and there are plenty of people out there willing to peddle any garbage they desire if they believe it will earn them a dollar...

2. Victor and Bob Dean seem to be on opposite sides of the spectrum when it comes to the intentions of the et... Bob seems to believe, though while facing many hurdles, that we will be moving into some "Golden Age" with the et, where Victor is convinced we're doomed... That's quite a broad different in perspectives...

My next question would be, does anyone know what year the last 2 videos were made? I am curious as I would like to look up where Rumsfeld actually was on March 23rd. as he seemed very adamant that this was a clue to something we should know if we want true information.

Interesting if nothing else..

And about Fred Doty.. I have met him as well, although I haven't had much communication with him... I have exchanged a few emails... And he seems to be a genuinely nice guy... But I would stop at suggesting that he is fully honest... While his NDA may have expired, he himself has suggested that there are things he knows to be true that he still keeps secret.... and once a misinformation/intelligence agent, always one... Not only does he not disclose the things he believes SHOULD BE kept quiet, I strongly suspect he would also still taint the subject matter in those efforts as well...

I recently subscribed to Gaia, only to watch as much as I could on that format, in regards to what these people were saying. Thankfully blue chicken wasn't there... But the things that were, really surprised me. Rick had much to say about et, and different situations with them... Short of all the details, it makes you wonder why now? And how much is truly real?

Victor has a strange take on the et in my opinion. As he seems to believe they are not only not from our world, but perhaps interdimensional in some way.... Some refer to them as biological robots, but he stated something along the lines of being "inert". That they semed inert or another word along those lines. I wonder what he meant by that... Were they solid holographic entities? Unable to "Be driven" unless telepathically attached to another being? It seems so vague.

As far as "Inter dimensionals"... Perhaps they're literally living right beside us, our of our range of view... or perceptions, and they have the ability to manifest in a range we can then detect? I am sure they were fed many plausable ideas, but until the science confirms any of them, we will never know the truth. With us making solid holographic forms now, that can cast shadows... and have density, perhaps this is what they experienced with one of more of these beings...

If Victor is a true whistleblower, it was brave to do that, but you cannot dismiss all of those out there wanting truth, but getting anything BUT truth.... And one must be in one of those actual programs to really know the truth of any of the matters, as everything else would be ridiculed as conjecture. Surely these individuals can only hope some believe their stories.

Sadly at this point, humanity has become better at lying about everything versus telling the truth these days... Up to and including their own appearances, with make up, face lifts, tummy tucks, and on and on.... Transfer that to politics and the problem increases 100 fold... It's a sad state of affairs we live in these days...

[panpsych]

One sensible thing to conclude is that Victor did not obtain this footage from S4, and perhaps used this as a cover story for the facility he truly did gain it from. This would seem supported by the fact that the descriptions he gave Morton and Art Bell (during his only public interview given outside of a Rocket Productions outfit) of the security measures in place at S4 did not match Lazar or Burisch's account very accurately.


In the past 24 hours Richard Dolan has hosted Jon Stewart exploring our above previously discussed theme on the "Victor" testimony of the so-called "alien interview" - that the footage may have been captured at a facility other than S4.
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Some key points:

- Stewart claims this footage was taken at a site called S2-a (lending credence to the idea that Victor may have been using S4 as a protective cover of plausible deniability)

- He provides a list of allegedly identified personnel *in* the footage and goes into some details about their biographies, which, on its face appears to be an Easter egg hunt styled treasure trove of plausible responses to previously open questions.

- Stewart gives testimony of a naval wife who claims one of the medical personnel in the infamous footage is unquestionably her husband, who indeed worked in clandestine naval medical projects (which was often a bone of contention in their relationship).

If nothing else, as Dolan acknowledges in the interview, Stewart has made some important progress in providing some possible responses to key questions that have kept this case open for decades.

Personnel listed as either featuring in the footage, or were otherwise present in the viewing gallery at the time of its shooting:

Colonel [indecipherable redaction] – US Army Intelligence: As yet, unnamed, although shared with Dolan. In the interview, Stewart and Dolan discuss that this individual was involved with TRW. It’s an acronym which can be parsed several ways: Tactical Recon Wing; Training Wing; Technical Review Workgroup; or TRW Inc. who have been contracted to provide systems engineering, automotive aerospace and ICBM support to both the US Government and Defense agencies. In any case, TRW is an acronym well-known in US intelligence circles as referring to ‘deep black’ intelligence involvement. Indeed, TRW is noted in the Wilson Memo (Admr. Thomas Wilson confirms to Dr Eric Davis that Elizabeth Elliot’s information sounds like “… the real deal…” when Davis relays that she’s given a Remote Viewing testimony by reference t TRW.

Eric Davis meeting with Adm. Wilson - DocumentCloud – p. 15
(https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6185702-Eric-Davis-meeting-with-Adm-Wilson)

Dr. W[indecipherable redaction] – USAF Medical Corp. – Stewart met with this individual’s widow (2nd wife) to discuss his biography. Stewart outright asks what her opinion is on the possibility that her husband could have been involved in an ET program during the timeframe around the footage. According to Stewart, his widow found this to be a very plausible explanation as to why he would never discuss his work with the USAF Medical Corp. even when under social pressure to do so at gatherings. (NB: the widow offered up ‘USAF Medical Corp.’ in this anecdote, with no prompting, which corroborates the information Stewart had received from his DIA contact). The widow went on to mention that his unwillingness to discuss his time with the USAF Medical Corp. was a ‘source of contention’ both between them and with their social group (who also had military connections and were able to discuss their own stories more freely). She also very clearly identified his facial features from the footage as being the medic to the being’s right (our left).

Dr Craig [indecipherable redaction] – Scientist (??) – Stewart identifies this individual as having been a pulmonologist who worked with the VA (Veteran’s Affairs – veteran aftercare institution) at the time the footage was taken.
My speculation: due to the image clean-up I’m able to achieve with my own humble editing skills, it appears as one possible candidate for an ID on this individual could be Dr. Craig McPherson (https://www.ccacc.org/acc-governor-elect-dr-craig-mcpherson/), who currently sits as the Governor for the American College of Cardiology but, at the time the footage was taken (circa 1991), worked as director for the Critical Care Unit and Electrophysiology (with expertise in pulmonology) at the – you guessed it – Veteran’s Affairs Medical Centre (VAMC) in West Haven CT.

Admiral Edward D. Schaeffer - Naval Intelligence (deceased as of 2016) - Due to the fact that Schaeffer has passed away, Stewart felt comfortable revealing his identity. Noteworthy biographical points (http://www.diaalumni.org/edwarddsheafer.html) which supply context as to the reason for his presence at this session include that he would’ve been part of the relevant 'Chain of Command' in terms of direction-of-travel for this information. Indeed, Stewart alludes to the fact that this was reported via JCS up to the sitting POTUS. Schaeffer himself was the Director of Naval Intelligence at the time the footage was captured and sitting J2, reporting directly to Colin Powell: the Chairman of the JCS at the time and Commander USAFC. This would’ve been a highly plausible line-management channel for this information to be fed up the chain if it were indeed real.

Captain Lowell Jacoby – Naval Intelligence – Adding to the plausibility of the ‘Chain of Command’ line management context that Edward D. Schaeffer’s presence provides, we have an appearance from one of his (at the time) direct subordinates. Jacoby had been promoted to Captain in 1989 and been assigned the role of Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence (https://dbpedia.org/page/Lowell_E._Jacoby).
Supplemental note: Whilst I can’t source specific links of their involvement to this case, both Schaeffer and Jacoby would’ve been ‘in position’ at the time of (and during the follow-up to) the Kalahari Crash incident (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXSDciVkEh0&t=6s) – the shoot-down and retrieval of live ET’s that was reported (and leant credence by researchers like Tony Dodd (”https://projectcamelot.org/dodd.html”)) to have occurred somewhere near the South African and Botswanan border in 1989 (https://www.ufoinsight.com/ufos/cover-ups/kalahari-incident-truth-forged-documents). This has widely been discussed (and noted in the 20th Anniversary Edition of the Rocket picture) as a possible candidate for the origins of the being captured on film.

The remaining listed personnel appear to be two monks from Saint Catherine's Monastery (Sinai?). This is interesting, as we can recall Victor in his C2C media commitment (indexed above and also here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8O8cnUyU9I)) following the initial release of the Rocket Picture frequently mentioning that he'd been persuaded to consider Christian analogies in relation to his exposure to this being and the program managing his continued residence with the US Navy. Whilst this doesn't corroborate much by itself, it is an interesting little contextual detail which gives a possible motivation for Victor's religious musings - perhaps he'd been present at discussions involving these two monks and had been privy to whatever level of contribution they were making to the program, leading him to his Messianic musings.

The next three are listed as 'unnamed'.

Wider Supplemental Discussion: This is purely my speculation. But, during the interview, Stewart explains the work he's done to contact various experienced medical technologists to ask if they have ever seen a device quite like the green light-point instrument featured in the footage, which has been the subject of a lot of discussion, and largely assumed to have been some bespoke medical monitor.

Stewart reports no joy thus far in terms of finding an expert in the field of medical monitoring technology who might know what it might be.

To me, this makes sense, as I've never assumed it was a medical monitor at all. The structure of the device has always struck me as an Einsteinian light-clock - a theoretical device to measure time dilation effects https://www.emc2-explained.info/The-Light-Clock/

The light-clock theory might be consistent with both Burisch's testimony that these beings as time travellers, Victor's assertions that they aren't seemingly "physical" and also other more recent testimonies via Grusch et al suggesting that they folded in inter-dimensionally. Perhaps the device doesn't monitor biophysical health as we conceive of it at all, but general relativistic perturbations associated with the space around them.

Maybe.

[panpsych]

Victor - C2C Segment - True Voice (https://audio.jukehost.co.uk/wIXw69N75zCCtuevyK61qvngQWCizDpy)

I have pitch-shifted a segment of Victor's C2C interview with Art Bell and Sean David Morton to bring it closer to his true speaking voice.

I've done this not in the hope that it might improve anyone's chances of discovering his identity, but simply to point out how much less defensive and stand-offish Victor seems when we can hear him in something closer to his natural tone. The vocal masking effects made him appear far more aggressive than he seems at something closer to reality.

Please feel free to use this however you wish.

[Bill Ryan]

This also belongs on this thread. (A follow-up interview with 'Victor' in 2008) :thumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aMavw9lJ0g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_ETuczuTM8

[Violet3]

Hi Bill
the second interview with Victor was especially interesting, but very hard to understand. Where does he say the aliens come from, do you know? I replayed it several time and just could not hear what he said.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill
the second interview with Victor was especially interesting, but very hard to understand. Where does he say the aliens come from, do you know? I replayed it several time and just could not hear what he said.Ah! He's saying: (7:04) "These aliens come from the universe of science."

:heart:

[Houman]

Hi Bill
the second interview with Victor was especially interesting, but very hard to understand. Where does he say the aliens come from, do you know? I replayed it several time and just could not hear what he said.Ah! He's saying: (7:04) "These aliens come from the universe of science."

:heart:

At 9min he says in French "Apres moi le deluge, le deluge solaire" which translates into "After me the flood, the solar flood", which reminds me of Akita

[Violet3]

thanks Bill and Houman
"...the universe of science, not the universe of religion." Any idea what he means i.e. which science?

Re the "solar flood" do you think he is referring to solar flares? If the interview is 2008 and he says don't count on a 20 year anniversary of it, then he means a major fire/flood event some time before 2028, perhaps triggered by solar flares?

[Bill Ryan]

thanks Bill and Houman
"...the universe of science, not the universe of religion." Any idea what he means i.e. which science?I think he's saying that these ETs base their predictions or warnings on what they consider as [scientific] facts, not beliefs.


Re the "solar flood" do you think he is referring to solar flares? If the interview is 2008 and he says don't count on a 20 year anniversary of it, then he means a major fire/flood event some time before 2028, perhaps triggered by solar flares?Yes, that's my interpretation as well. Something like Ed Dames' 'Killshot', and/or what Akita (and other prophecies) refer to as 'Fire from the Sky'. (Not a water flood, but some major solar event that 'floods' the earth with something like a giant solar flare that impacts Earth with catastrophic effect.)

There's quite a lot about this on The Third Secret of Fatima (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120874-The-Third-Secret-of-Fatima) thread, in which a prophetic message received in Akita, Japan in 1973, apparently extremely similar to that received by the Fatima witnesses in 1918, is described in detail. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?120874-The-Third-Secret-of-Fatima&p=1550664&viewfull=1#post1550664)

I have to say that this does all fit with my own purely personal assessment of the likely date of this event, which I've posted several times seems to me to converge on something like 2028-29.

I've been noting all the references to this [apparent] kind of incident that I've been able to find, and so far I've listed over 40 of them. Some are far more specific than others, but the broad agreement that something not-good may possibly happen to the Earth in the next few years does start to seem worthy of being taken seriously.

[Bill Ryan]

Copying this new post by Helvetic on his thread: (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1630310&viewfull=1#post1630310)

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We were wrong!!! A new and highly credible Intel source has analyzed the Victor Alien Interview footage and the being.

Here is what he wrote:
My assessment is that this species is not actually an ETE-2 Type C-1, but instead the CBE that ETE-2 presented us in exchange for the 12 soldiers on July 16th 1965. So still from Zeta Reticuli 2 Star System, but NOT a regular "Type". I believe this to be the infamous "J-Rod" who while here, worked with Edward Teller

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[Bill Ryan]

Copying this interesting new post by Helvetic on his thread: (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1633229&viewfull=1#post1633229)

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Despite the Alien Interview being a point of great contention, there is a recent YouTube comment from Nuri that has me greatly intrigued:

"I spent my career as a trauma nurse and while I have no idea what it would be like to care for an alien, in the scene where he’s struggling it definitely looks like he’s genuinely gulping for air and distressed. You can see the neck retracting with definable movements of the skin showing the prominence of the left sternal head, pursing of the lips with frown movements of the facial muscles during portions of the respiratory distress, the neck placement and size wasn’t human either (among a lot of other things). If this was a puppet it’s the best I’ve ever seen, but I genuinely don’t think it is and I’m the biggest sceptic of things like this."

Additionally, here are three points I personally want to bring forward:

1) If this video is a fake, why is there a timestamp below with the acronym DNI?

2) Why have the medics rush to assist when the creature is gasping? So many additional steps if hoaxing.

3) The Ariel School witnesses describe being fixed on the eyes of the NHI they encountered. I personally noticed that as a dominant feature with the creature in the video.

@stewartschgo
there's certainly something to all of this in my humble and honest opinion 🧐

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[Denise/Dizi]

I am not sure if this has been posted yet, as I have only read a few pages thus far, but Donald Rumsfeld was in Jerusalem on March 23, 2008, meeting with President Peres, in the Presidential Residence

Link attached to article about this meeting...


https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/03/20080323.html

If already noted, please delete this post?






Mod note from Bill:
This seems unrelated to the Alien Interrogation video discussed in this thread. Did you mean to post this somewhere else? If so, we can easily move it.
:thumbsup:

[Denise/Dizi]

Forgive my ramblings... I am thinking aloud..

The time frames don't add up... when looking at this being, as being the one left for the Serpo exchange... (Which is also in question, as far as the name of the planet/program) J Rod and this et couldn't be the same individual. Especially if it crashed in 1989. Or the video was taken around that time. Which some individuals implies.

As Victor suggested, he had actually been in the presence of the being, (at least once) and that the being had been at the facility 20 months (not years) when the video was taken, or when he encountered the being. If it were one of those left in exchange for the Serpo project, that would indicate the video was taken in the 60's or 70's... And that Victor was at the base for a great number of years. Or the program was ongoing.

OR there was a large number of said beings, as Dan Burisch, Bill Uhouse, and many others claim to have been working alongside the same type, or similar beings... Including the suggestion that Edward Teller was involved in some way with whom got access... And William Thompkins claims of help in the 60's with NASA and the space program... all of which could only be true if there were multiple types, and multiple of each, engaging humanity.

There are only so many hours in a day, and a vast array of projects that people are claiming to have had help with... If it was just one being, Either this is wrong, or Dan Burischs claims are false. Bill Thompkins, Bill Uhouse, and even Phillip Corso, were all lying...

That then calls into question all others who make claims such as nordics helping in the space program, etc... How many "Different beings" are actually here? And how many have their own bases, or live among us all the time that we are unaware of? What is more likely? That a vast number of beings arrived in short order? Or it is all untrue? Or there is truth somewhere in the middle?

There is a suggestion that this being is the hepaloid, or heploid...

Back to the topic... If there were MANY... And different types? It could be true that Dan went into a clean sphere with one, while another, (or many) were perhaps "tailor made" to be able to be in our environment, and survive... and could have helped in all the areas that people are claiming.

And there could be one set aside merely for "information farming.", another to help with technologies and rebuilding them... There is a great deal of advancements in human cloning, cloning of other species, perhaps they cloned some specifically to stay here...

So what would we have?

Exactly what we supposedly sent to another planet... Pilots, linguists, Medical personnel, scientists, and security... is that what was also sent here? Did someone get ahold of the information and make wild claims that we went elsewhere, to cover it up, when the fact possibly could be, 12 individuals were left on Earth to help us in some way?

It is my understanding that SERPO was a program name, and not the actual name of a planet that the humans supposedly went to... There is conflicting information about that... I believe there was a claim in the Serpo site, that the ebens themselves welcomed the humans to their planet and they called it "Serpo", which would be a wrong detail.. (unless the et themselves were referring to the program and not the planet name)...

I do not know if this is true or not, but there are some suggestions that SERPO actually meant "Secret Extraterrestrial Remote Planet Operations"... Which would mean they could have gone anywhere, and used the name Serpo... and anyone could have come here under that project name.

According to those relaying information about Serpo, the project wasn't called Serpo, the project was called "Crystal Knight"??? So we have clashing details about that... And both Rick Doty AND an individual known as Victor were involved someway in the Serpo site.

Richard Doty, is now going onto Gaia and making all kinds of claims that we housed et in Nevada...

I did notice that Victor gave quite some telling information as far as the site however, about the food delivery system also being used to both raise and lower the craft to the tarmac, for testing and or use, one goes down, the other comes up. Great design idea actually... But he does leave little details that really would be difficult to just think up and randomly be tossed in, when most don't even "Catch them", or consider them noteworthy.

And there are many other claims that really, who would think about such things... If they hadn't been there. Just random thoughts.. And written in a rush... I will clean it up this evening, but a lot to ponder after replaying the Art Bell interview.

But a lot doesn't add up here. Is it because there are bombs dropped in the real truth, to find out who speaks out? Or is it all nonsense?

[Bill Ryan]

That then calls into question all others who make claims such as nordics helping in the space program, etc... How many "Different beings" are actually here?

Henry Deacon told me he was aware that 40 different races were visiting or observing Earth. Clifford Stone said there were 57. And it could easily be far more than that.

It's a whole highly complicated ecosystem out there. On our own planet we have 195 countries and even more distinct cultures, all with different histories, traditions, languages, and vastly differing degrees of access to technology. Now expand that several thousand fold into our galaxy and beyond. :)


According to those relaying information about Serpo, the project wasn't called Serpo, the project was called "Crystal Knight"??? So we have clashing details about that... I have no idea where the name 'Serpo' came from, but yes, the actual program name was Project Crystal Knight.


And both Rick Doty AND an individual known as Victor were involved someway in the Serpo site.The Serpo 'Victor' was Victor Martinez, a Los Angeles English teacher who ran an ET-related discussion group. I'm still in contact with him. There's no connection with the 'Victor' who smuggled out the 'Alien Interrogation' video.

[Denise/Dizi]

Henry Deacon told me he was aware that 40 different races were visiting or observing Earth. Clifford Stone said there were 57. And it could easily be far more than that.

It's a whole highly complicated ecosystem out there. On our own planet we have 195 countries and even more distinct cultures, all with different histories, traditions, languages, and vastly differing degrees of access to technology. Now expand that several thousand fold into our galaxy and beyond. :)

I would agree with them wholeheartedly... About the vast amount of "Neighbors" we have... I am just trying to figure out which ones (and how many).. are actually interacting with humans at this time, and actually make landfall here, or always have been here...

I suppose it is easier to convince the masses we have "Alien neighbors", and then presenting the ebe video would be far more appropriate to hit the topic in a way that we would recognize they definately aren't like us! Versus parading around a Nordic, and being laughed at as trying to pass off someone who live perhaps in Switzerland as an "off worlder."

I have always felt that humans didn't just get "Created" on Earth, nor did we develop here from our origins. I believe we have been brought here, from many locations, placed "here" and "there", and watched to see how we do as a whole. Can we get along? Can we work together as a whole if we believed we were such? Could we even TRY to do so?

If that's the case, we are surely disappointing "Them" with our actions as a whole.


I have no idea where the name 'Serpo' came from, but yes, the actual program name was Project Crystal Knight.

Thank You for that. :sherlock:It always confused me that it was being used in many ways.. Perhaps to redirect away from the actual planet name? I suppose that will remain a mystery unless someone who knows, will care to share it with us, to eliminate the confusion.


The Serpo 'Victor' was Victor Martinez, a Los Angeles English teacher who ran an ET-related discussion group. I'm still in contact with him. There's no connection with the 'Victor' who smuggled out the 'Alien Interrogation' video.

THANK YOU! That was really an important data point I didn't know... If you speak to him again in the near future, please tell the gentleman that I send a sincere "Thank You" for what was shared, It still fascinates me, and sparks thoughts and ideas, and possibilities... Did Victor share how he learned about the project? (If it isn't rude to ask?)

I suppose we can be quite rude when posing questions, as we tend to frame things in a "They don't want us to know, as they want control over us" kind of way... And just learning what this man did for a living, and in his spare time? Makes me want to frame things in a much different way... Which it SHOULDN'T.. I suppose the subject entirely has jaded me in some way sadly. My curiousity and excitement, sometimes turning into frustration, and I suppose a sense of disgust for those that make it worse with lies, especially for their own gain.

So perhaps if you would, also send my apologizes for perhaps being a bit cold and frustrated on other threads about the topic. I am human after all, and the topic so profound. It can get frustrating when you want to believe it, but hit a wall...

[Richter]

Actually I really like this - obviously fake(?) - alien interview video:
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[Tintin]

According to those relaying information about Serpo, the project wasn't called Serpo, the project was called "Crystal Knight"??? So we have clashing details about that... I have no idea where the name 'Serpo' came from, but yes, the actual program name was Project Crystal Knight.

I may not have recalled this exactly right but I think SERPO is an acronym which stands for something like: "Secret Extra-terrestrial Research Program ...", but I'm certainly paraphrasing that.

Hope that helps. I'm sure I saw that in the literature somewhere, way back.

[Denise/Dizi]

I am not sure if this has been posted yet, as I have only read a few pages thus far, but Donald Rumsfeld was in Jerusalem on March 23, 2008, meeting with President Peres, in the Presidential Residence

Link attached to article about this meeting...


https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2008/03/20080323.html

If already noted, please delete this post?






Mod note from Bill:
This seems unrelated to the Alien Interrogation video discussed in this thread. Did you mean to post this somewhere else? If so, we can easily move it.
:thumbsup:



In the alien interview video, and the subsequent video "Victor" made in the vehicle, he referred to Donald Rumsfeld, and suggesting that where he was in the middle of March was important, in regards to him only wanting to be one of the "Select few" that were to be taken away before something happened to mankind.. He later went on to suggest the date of the 23rd. And this was what I found. So I was just putting the puzzle piece on the table.

[Bill Ryan]

Copying this new post by Helvetic on his thread:

(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1635954&viewfull=1#post1635954)~~~

Source: The Alien Interview - CASE CLOSED on X

https://x.com/stewartschgo

Description:

Simple questions, chicken **** skeptics can't answer:

If we are wrong about the alien interview…..then:


1. Why did the govt. steal my emails….twice?
2. Why did an 78-yr-old widow identify her doctor husband in the film and also claim how secretive he was about the Army?
3. Why have 8, I repeat 8 individuals/vetted whistleblowers all claim, “the film is real”?
4. Why hasn’t anyone come forward from Hollywood to claim their part in the hoax?
5. How did the Producers know about that green blip, that Whitley Striber said is what he saw during an experience and told no one. How would a 20-something Producer know that is a grey communication device? How?
6. Why pay to create a doll with skin movements so subtle that they aren't seen until 25 years later? Who would do that? Why spend the money?
7. Why is a reporter, writing a story on the investigation, suddenly afraid for her life?
8. How could the Producer know that the number 27, emblazed onto the bottom of the alien film, is “Yankee White” and that is the Ultra Top Secret security level and designation for: Papoose Lake, Site 2 and S4. How? Tell me How?
9. “Victor” was a govt employee; so why did he have an elaborate hoaxes video with him and refuses to come forward now? If its fake, why not come forward? Why?
10. Why are the skeptics, who are so positive its a hoax, not emailing me and claiming the $5,000 in cash with proof its a hoax? Why? Its fake, right?


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[Marianne]

Victor - C2C Segment - True Voice (https://audio.jukehost.co.uk/wIXw69N75zCCtuevyK61qvngQWCizDpy)

I have pitch-shifted a segment of Victor's C2C interview with Art Bell and Sean David Morton to bring it closer to his true speaking voice.

I've done this not in the hope that it might improve anyone's chances of discovering his identity, but simply to point out how much less defensive and stand-offish Victor seems when we can hear him in something closer to his natural tone. The vocal masking effects made him appear far more aggressive than he seems at something closer to reality.

Please feel free to use this however you wish.

Panpsych, the link says ‘audio not found’

Do you have a working link you could post?

Thanks so much! :bigsmile:

[panpsych]

Victor - C2C Segment - True Voice (https://audio.jukehost.co.uk/wIXw69N75zCCtuevyK61qvngQWCizDpy)

I have pitch-shifted a segment of Victor's C2C interview with Art Bell and Sean David Morton to bring it closer to his true speaking voice.

I've done this not in the hope that it might improve anyone's chances of discovering his identity, but simply to point out how much less defensive and stand-offish Victor seems when we can hear him in something closer to his natural tone. The vocal masking effects made him appear far more aggressive than he seems at something closer to reality.

Please feel free to use this however you wish.

Panpsych, the link says ‘audio not found’

Do you have a working link you could post?

Thanks so much! :bigsmile:

Apologies - the link to the free hosting I used must have expired.

I've uploaded to a more permanent home now:

Click here (https://video.wixstatic.com/video/fb00fd_3087fa5c379941d3b60c8c4a2da29748/file)

[Denise/Dizi]

I have listened to that playback panpsych has shared, over and over again... And compared it with videos I have saved that were featuring both Bob Dean, as well as Dan Burisch/Crain... And if I had to guess between the two of them whom it was? I would guess it was Dan Burisch. I say this because I have a video saved where Dan is constantly pausing, and filling those pauses as he finds the words to use, with the same amount of pauses and "Ah"... in between...

Link below for that.. for more comparison.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-fve5UKQbc&list=PLY_ZvawTFTVN85thA3Fc6q2Pse4iE5lWw&index=19

If it was Dan, then the voice alteration still isn't right... But one wold have to guess that trying to match a voice, when you do not know what it is supposed to sound like, would be challenging at best...

While John Lear claims Bob did try to use a 110 camera, and failed to get it back out of the facility, It would seem that "Victor", somehow got ahold of the other video, when it was being copied to digital.. And if this is the case, he could easily not be copying it at the facility, but in a digital way, meaning he may have been able to download it off of a central computer system that the newly reformated video was being saved to... Much like Gary McKinnon did... Even from a more closed system at that time.

And we all know that the military has technology long before we get access to it in the general public. So an internal digital system, may easily have been in place at the time... Does anyone know when Victor released this video?

The one thing that is clear, is the words that this individual use, seem to indicate a more mature individual, as he uses phrases that really aren't very common in todays daily lingo.

He never does suggest how he got it, and let that question linger in the air... Someone else may have passed it off to him as well, furthering the distance between himself and the origin of the video.

I do believe we are not alone and that the numbers of others Bill mentions above may be just a fraction now, of those we have engaged in some way...

[Helvetic]

The following is my personal opinion and it is an important one. There are two possibilities.

1. The video is real. The guys in the video wearing masks that wouldn’t even stop COVID. They are breathing the same air as the "Grey".

What does that mean?

During a face to face conversation with a ca. 2m 40cm approx. (7'10.5") tall Nordic lady the question about “Aliens” came up and she said the following and this is the key to the whole disclosure process.

Quote: "Greys, Nordics and many more are not “Aliens” because they are evolved on this planet.

We (humans) are not thinking. The proof that they are from here is that they breathe the same air (atmosphere, pressure, oxygen composition, viruses). Ask a scientist how unlikely it is that an alien could come to this planet and breathe the same air. Our atmosphere is for others highly toxic. The fact that the Nordics and the Greys can breathe our atmosphere is because they evolved here on Earth.

So, if other beings are here on Earth and walk among us without wearing a breathing mask or pressure suit, they are from another time but evolved here on Earth.”


2. The video is not real.

[Helvetic]

Another post on X from Jon Stewart

Source: x.com/stewartschgo (https://x.com/stewartschgo), huntingvictor.com (http://huntingvictor.com)

Description:
Oh, just an old video I found while doing some post-production. Quite interesting….if I may say so myself.

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[Helvetic]

Same here. Greys are not Aliens. They evolved here on earth. They are from another time. See post #185.

Jack Sarfatti Theoretical Physicist Saw Classified 4K Video of ALIEN | Oct. 7, 2024

Source: Vetted youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@VETTEDPODCAST)

Description:

Patrick discusses BOMBSHELL from Theoretical Physicist Jack Sarfatti that he has seen a classified 4K Video of a "Grey" Alien being.

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[Bill Ryan]

Same here. Greys are not Aliens. They evolved here on earth. They are from another time. See post #185.

Jack Sarfatti Theoretical Physicist Saw Classified 4K Video of ALIEN | Oct. 7, 2024

Source: Vetted youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@VETTEDPODCAST)

Description:

Patrick discusses BOMBSHELL from Theoretical Physicist Jack Sarfatti that he has seen a classified 4K Video of a "Grey" Alien being.

TTqMXT-qoR8Yes, worth watching, if only to know that Sarfatti (who I met personally and spent time with back in 2006) is legit, very bright (indeed), knows a lot of stuff for real, and does not suffer fools gladly. But it's not a good video: the presenter (Patrick Scott Armstrong) clearly doesn't know all that much, and in the clips that he shows Sarfatti really IS being asked stupid questions.

Whatever Sarfatti says, you can take it to the bank. :thumbsup:

The comments, all saying much the same thing, are fun to read. One of them is spot on. :)
It doesn't help Jack much when he's being interviewed by Beavis and Butthead.

[HopSan]

Yes, worth watching, if only to know that Sarfatti (who I met personally and spent time with back in 2006) is legit, very bright (indeed), knows a lot of stuff for real, and does not suffer fools gladly. But it's not a good video: the presenter (Patrick Scott Armstrong) clearly doesn't know all that much, and in the clips that he shows Sarfatti really IS being asked stupid questions.

Whatever Sarfatti says, you can take it to the bank. :thumbsup:


I had a late friend, professional physicist, who thought Sarfatti knew what he talked about.
This friend's area was not same as Sarfatti's, but for him Sarfatti was someone worth following.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It doesn't help Jack much when he's being interviewed by Beavis and Butthead.[/I]
[/INDENT]

Exactly. What a pair of dunderheads. Before I was even halfway through the video, I'd thought to ask:

What did it SAY!? (obvious)
Was it in English?
If unintelligible, was there an interpreter?
What was the context - was this an interview/interrogation/other?
Who else was present?
What was their function?
What did they say?
If seen on screen, what were they wearing?
Were their faces visible?
Were any uniforms or insignia present?
Could you identify them?
Describe the setting/surroundings.
How long did the video last?
If there was a time-stamp on screen, what did it say?
Was any other information printed on screen?

[Helvetic]

I cannot endorse this content; however, here it is:

Source: Jon Stewart on X (https://x.com/stewartschgo)

Description:

I have just concluded a high-level briefing with a current Department of Defense official. Within the upper echelons of military and intelligence circles, there is a prevailing assessment that the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) and drone sightings observed over the past four years constitute advanced reconnaissance operations. These activities are believed to be part of pre-invasion battlefield preparation, involving detailed mapping of strategic assets.

Specifically, these reconnaissance missions are thought to be assessing:

• Our military capabilities and tactics
• The nature of our weapons systems
• Vulnerabilities in human biology
• Key natural resources for potential exploitation
• Strategic weak points for a possible full-scale incursion

This warning comes from a highly credible source within our intelligence services who wants disclosure and is sending a warning to us. Do not ignore it. We were wrong before, and failure to act now could be catastrophic.

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[Ewan]

We (humans) are not thinking. The proof that they are from here is that they breathe the same air (atmosphere, pressure, oxygen composition, viruses). Ask a scientist how unlikely it is that an alien could come to this planet and breathe the same air. Our atmosphere is for others highly toxic. The fact that the Nordics and the Greys can breathe our atmosphere is because they evolved here on Earth.


I don't see that as a logical conclusion.

IF there are other carbon based life forms scattered throughout the Galaxy the chances they exist within similar atmospheres would seem more logical to me.

[Helvetic]

In a 'similar' atmosphere, factors such as pressure, oxygen composition, and the presence of viruses differ from those on this planet. You still need a breathing mask or a pressure suit.

[grapevine]

I cannot endorse this content; however, here it is:

Source: Jon Stewart on X (https://x.com/stewartschgo)

Description:

I have just concluded a high-level briefing with a current Department of Defense official. Within the upper echelons of military and intelligence circles, there is a prevailing assessment that the UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) and drone sightings observed over the past four years constitute advanced reconnaissance operations. These activities are believed to be part of pre-invasion battlefield preparation, involving detailed mapping of strategic assets.

Specifically, these reconnaissance missions are thought to be assessing:

• Our military capabilities and tactics
• The nature of our weapons systems
• Vulnerabilities in human biology
• Key natural resources for potential exploitation
• Strategic weak points for a possible full-scale incursion

This warning comes from a highly credible source within our intelligence services who wants disclosure and is sending a warning to us. Do not ignore it. We were wrong before, and failure to act now could be catastrophic.

1847001744913666402

We were wrong before . . . ??

Does anyone know what this refers to?

[Did You See Them]

Sounds like we shot down good guys who warned us about bad guys !

[Bill Ryan]

This isn't the alien in the 'Alien interview', but the image in the tweet below has to be posted somewhere. The image is a still frame from a video. The video timestamp shows 10 November 1994, at 19:19 (7:19 pm).

The reported comment from Bill Uhouse seems ludicrous, but I'd heard many years ago that they put a regular men's shirt on the being so that he could appear just a little less extraordinary sitting at a table in meetings. (Uhouse said that the being would step in to assist with the advanced math when the Area 51 scientists could go no further.)

The text:
“I was told we’d have JRod with us at the meeting; and I walked into the room and there was the being sitting there and they actually went to JC Pennys in Las Vegas and bought him a pair of trousers and a plaid shirt... I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.”
Bill UHouse - Former ARV Simulator Designer/ Engineer at Area 51
~~~

https://x.com/stewartschgo/status/1847395945308200998
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[Bill Ryan]

This is Bill Uhouse's own personal sketch of the being shown in the video image above.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F3UAIXCWEAAQXO4?format=png&name=900x900

[Bill Ryan]

There's a 'lost' hour-long video embedded in the web page below of Bill Uhouse talking about his astonishing experience, which I never knew existed and have never seen.

Can anyone possibly unlock this and download it? (And if so, please send it to tintin@projectavalon.net and/or bill@projectavalon.net via WeTransfer.com or any other means, and we'll upload it to the Avalon Library immediately.)

VIDEO: LOST FOOTAGE OF BILL UHOUSE DISCUSSING J-ROD THE AREA 51 EXTRATERRESTRIAL [1996]

https://patreon.com/posts/video-lost-of-j-86068293

[Tintin]

There's a 'lost' hour-long video embedded in the web page below of Bill Uhouse talking about his astonishing experience, which I never knew existed and have never seen.

Can anyone possibly unlock this and download it? (And if so, please send it to tintin@projectavalon.net and/or bill@projectavalon.net via WeTransfer.com or any other means, and we'll upload it to the Avalon Library immediately.)

VIDEO: LOST FOOTAGE OF BILL UHOUSE DISCUSSING J-ROD THE AREA 51 EXTRATERRESTRIAL [1996]

https://patreon.com/posts/video-lost-of-j-86068293

I'm also having a really good go at trying to get a hold of this but with no joy so far. Frustrating, to say the least.

[Helvetic]

Colin Powell In The Alien Interview Video (2023) [2024 Reworked Version]

Source: The Unofficial Alien Interview Channel 2 youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@TheAlienInterview2)

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Description:

Colin Powell In The Alien Interview Video - The Identity Of The "Telepath" Revealed - The Smoking Gun Of The Alien Interview Video (2023) [2024 Reworked Version]

[Helvetic]

Is This The Real "Victor"?

Source: The Unofficial Alien Interview Channel (https://www.youtube.com/@TheAlienInterview)

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Description:

Is This The Real "Victor"? - Professor Gary Schwartz


Quick Research on Gary Schwartz:

Gary Schwartz has had notable roles in both military and defense technology. After a 21-year career with the U.S. Marine Corps, where he served as an officer specializing in areas like artillery, cryptographic technology, and operations analysis, Schwartz retired in 2004. His service included combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and key assignments at various commands, including U.S. Central Command and U.S. Special Operations Command.

In the private sector, Schwartz transitioned to defense contracting, ultimately becoming the Chief Operating Officer for HII’s Mission Technologies division in 2023. His responsibilities have included oversight of C5ISR (Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Combat Systems, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance), federal solutions, and innovation in mission-driven technology solutions. Before HII, he held senior roles with companies like Alion Science and Technology and SAIC, managing defense and federal projects across cyber, training, and engineering sectors.

[panpsych]

There's a 'lost' hour-long video embedded in the web page below of Bill Uhouse talking about his astonishing experience, which I never knew existed and have never seen.

Can anyone possibly unlock this and download it? (And if so, please send it to tintin@projectavalon.net and/or bill@projectavalon.net via WeTransfer.com or any other means, and we'll upload it to the Avalon Library immediately.)

VIDEO: LOST FOOTAGE OF BILL UHOUSE DISCUSSING J-ROD THE AREA 51 EXTRATERRESTRIAL [1996]

https://patreon.com/posts/video-lost-of-j-86068293


Please do enjoy this for as long as I am able to host at this link

https://video.wixstatic.com/video/fb00fd_9c4027a0433b49a485e934b9ecc871ab/file

[Bill Ryan]

There's a 'lost' hour-long video embedded in the web page below of Bill Uhouse talking about his astonishing experience, which I never knew existed and have never seen.

Can anyone possibly unlock this and download it? (And if so, please send it to tintin@projectavalon.net and/or bill@projectavalon.net via WeTransfer.com or any other means, and we'll upload it to the Avalon Library immediately.)

VIDEO: LOST FOOTAGE OF BILL UHOUSE DISCUSSING J-ROD THE AREA 51 EXTRATERRESTRIAL [1996]

https://patreon.com/posts/video-lost-of-j-86068293

Please do enjoy this for as long as I am able to host at this link

https://video.wixstatic.com/video/fb00fd_9c4027a0433b49a485e934b9ecc871ab/file~~~

That's fabulous, many many thanks — now safely archived in the Avalon Library: :thumbsup:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill_Uhouse_discussing_J-ROD,_the_Area_51_Extraterrestrial_(rare_lost_video,_1996).mp4

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill_Uhouse_discussing_J-ROD,_the_Area_51_Extraterrestrial_(rare_lost_video,_1996).mp4

[Bill Ryan]

I've NOT watched this yet, but the YouTube commenters seem to be most impressed with the remote viewers' accuracy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyfTwMbW2r0

The video text:

In this exclusive remote viewing project, conducted in September and October 2024 for Jon Stewart, four expert remote viewers took on the challenge of examining the infamous 1997 "Alien Interview" footage.

Our viewers, working completely blind to the target, gathered insightful data on this alleged alien interrogation, filmed in 1991 and released in 1997, purportedly at the S-4/Area 51 facility.

In this video, you’ll see the data from our remote viewing team and join our discussion with Jon Stewart and renowned UAP researcher and historian Richard Dolan, who provides invaluable context and background to help analyze the data and assess the footage’s authenticity.

[Helvetic]

Some comments I found about Mr. Stewards documentary:

"Mr. Stewart has a pay-per-view documentary up right now about this case which costs about $9. I paid for it last night and watched the whole thing. It’s equivalent in terms of production to a low-tier YouTube documentary, with it essentially just being Stewart and an Ancient Aliens guy (Michael J.S. Carter) sitting down and recapping the history of the Alien Interview and the search that led him to "Victor".

Not much information in it can’t be found for free online, but it finally concludes with Stewart exposing "Victor" to be Stan Deyo. According to Stewart, Deyo is hostile and doesn't want to come forward. All in all, I wouldn't advise anyone to go buy Jon Stewart's film, as the only reason I did was because my wife and I enjoy watching UFO documentaries together."

Well, If you like to know Stan Deyo. Here you go.

Stan Deyo | Developing UFO Technology and Plans for Mankind | April 4-2012

Source: kevinsmithshow.info (http://kevinsmithshow.info)

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This interview is being publicly released for the first time.

Description:

Stan Deyo formerly worked for the illuminati helping develop their UFO technology. He talks about how he got involved with them, and what brought about him leaving them–and the dangers that attended him for a long time afterward. He talks about some of their upcoming plans for mankind.

Kevin Smith who hosted the Kevin Smith show had provided a large audience with extraordinary informations, thoughts and discussions in the realm of the unexplained until his untimely death at his sixtieth birthday on August 14, 2013. He was the inventor of the first paranormal radio talk show that he started in Bosnia where he served as an international police officer.

Kevin himself lived a life in relative poverty, sometimes even lacking food but shortly before he died, he signed a deal for his rock band that he was a guitar player in. Kevin was full of vigour and in good hopes for his band to be successful, also financially. Kevin put his full energy both into the show and his band, sometimes one has to wonder how he could accomplish this. The day he came out of hospital after he received a stent in his heart, he was already preparing for the next show.

Kevin gave whistleblowers a platform to come forward and he therefore was one himself. The lines to the show were often interrupted when critical guests made their appearance and also particular guests often suddenly had problems communicating with the KSS. He had his computers and other equipment interfered with from the outside and some of his guests even received threats during and after the shows.

Kevin was not shy to point his finger to where he thought those threats came from. He took all the risks to stay true to himself because his concern and motto for every show was, “You have the right to know because You matter!”

If you have a show recorded or downloaded as audio or video file that is not in the archives and that you would want to contribute, please contact us so we can complete the archives. There are currently 1140 different radio shows and 49 KSS live video shows/seminars in the archives – that would take more than three years to listen to one show a day.

[panpsych]

Some comments I found about Mr. Stewards documentary:

"Mr. Stewart has a pay-per-view documentary up right now about this case which costs about $9. I paid for it last night and watched the whole thing. It’s equivalent in terms of production to a low-tier YouTube documentary, with it essentially just being Stewart and an Ancient Aliens guy (Michael J.S. Carter) sitting down and recapping the history of the Alien Interview and the search that led him to "Victor".

Not much information in it can’t be found for free online, but it finally concludes with Stewart exposing "Victor" to be Stan Deyo. According to Stewart, Deyo is hostile and doesn't want to come forward. All in all, I wouldn't advise anyone to go buy Jon Stewart's film, as the only reason I did was because my wife and I enjoy watching UFO documentaries together."

Well, If you like to know Stan Deyo. Here you go.

Stan Deyo | Developing UFO Technology and Plans for Mankind | April 4-2012

Source: kevinsmithshow.info (http://kevinsmithshow.info)

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This interview is being publicly released for the first time.

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Stan Deyo formerly worked for the illuminati helping develop their UFO technology. He talks about how he got involved with them, and what brought about him leaving them–and the dangers that attended him for a long time afterward. He talks about some of their upcoming plans for mankind.

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This is excellent, thank you. I too caught the Stewart "film". Prior to its release, Stewart has also both publicly and privately asserted that Victor was a Jo(seph) Yeager - a known associate of Rick Doty (who has also, it appears, been steering in a consultancy capacity on this project).

Nevertheless, if Stewart's recent u-turn is to be believed, and Stan Deyo was indeed Victor, then this clip may be of interest: a broadcast featuring a fascinating interchange between Deyo and Bob Lazar on Art Bell in 1997 (the same year Victor appeared on C2C in relation to the alien interview).

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Jon Stewart | Alien Interrogation Video: Is it real? | Matt Beall Limitless | Feb. 13, 2025

Source: Matt Beall Limitless youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@mattbealllimitless)

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In this episode of Matt Beall Limitless, we dive deep into one of the most controversial and mysterious pieces of UFO footage ever released—the Alien Interview. Researcher and filmmaker Jon Stewart joins us to analyze the origins of the footage, its implications, and the enigmatic figure known as “Victor,” who allegedly leaked it from Area 51.

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Approximately 12 hours ago, the Night Shift podcast interviewed Jon Stewart, where he gave his most recent flip-flop on his self-styled "bombshell" confirmation of the identity of Victor

His appearance begins at around the 56:30 Mark.

Stewart claims that he has been in direct contact with Jeff Broadstreet who has unequivocally confirmed that the identity of Victor is Stanton John Willett.

NB: this is now the third proposed identity that Jon Stewart has submitted in the last year, framing them as having been "absolutely confirmed" and "smoking gun" level of evidence. His first proposition was that a Joseph Yeager had been Victor. He defended this claim fairly viciously on platforms such as X, insulting those who'd challenge the claim (even mildly). Next, he was to claim that Stan Deyo was the enigmatic character.

A couple of things to keep in mind:

- Stewart has conducted his 'research' under the consultation tutelage of Rick Doty. Whilst it's clear that Doty is almost certainly the real deal, the deal that he is a real example of has (at times) been service as a disinformation agent, as we know from his involvement in the psychological mismanagement of Paul Bennewitz (https://youtu.be/kOT39FXstho?si=arO26JAJ6dQEeins)

- Given that this is the third complete u-turn Stewart has made on the topic, whilst claiming the incontrovertible authenticity of his information, it's really hard not to view this as him telling us every which-way that he has no idea who Victor was.

Whatever we conclude about the authenticity of this tape (and I highly suspect it's real), one thing is clear: Stewart is a highly unreliable actor on this topic.

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Very interesting discussion here on the Alien Interview film, its history and provenance and its authenticity. Included are several interesting things about it I'd never heard before. Here, Dr. Steven Greer is talking with Jon Stewart, former candidate for US Congress and Governor of Illinois.


[For the last 20 years, Mr. Stewart has been a respected UFO researcher. He is the principal investigator in the jaw-dropping investigation and documentary on the factual account of the 1997 "Alien Interview Film" which was allegedly smuggled out of an underground, government facility northwest of Area 51 in Nevada called S4. He is a foremost authority on S4, Area 51 and the government's Alien Retention and Interrogation Program under Project Aquarius.]

Plenty of interesting discussion beforehand, but the segment on the Alien Interview film begins at the 39 minute mark.

Unfortunately, video cannot be embedded. Link below.

The Dr. Steven Greer Podcast with Special Guest Jon Stewart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1fWLAZsXzg