FREAKIN MAGIC - The veil removed

[bashi]

On PA1 i analysed some videos about Criss Angel.

By looking at them, we can of course always say that all participants were paid actors and
that its all a cheap trick and sham. But that’s not what this thread is about.
Lets assume we are looking at a real phenomena in some of these videos.

All in all i looked at 5 videos and pointed out the agenda behind.

Now hold your breath: ALL THESE VIDEOS WERE REMOVED FROM YOUTUBE !

If you search for CRISS ANGEL, then you will find 14800 videos on youtube .
But these 5 videos were removed.

Link: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19685

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[lisa]

An interesting review about Criss' book: http://www.amazon.com/review/R397KJQH1T8REW/ref=cm_srch_res_rtr_alt_1

[Solphilos]

Oh jesus.

Criss Angel is nothing more than an illusionist/magician with trade secrets. There is nothing mysterious or paranormal about his acts, just another example of people jumping to irrational conclusions about some higher power at work when they witness something they cannot explain rationally. The "secrets" to his acts are known by great illusionists worldwide, and most of them are quite simple in reality.

Trust me, he is likely not a Freemason, reptilian, or antichrist. To believe so would be getting into tinfoil hat territory :P_

[lisa]

Solphilos, did you saw Criss' levitation video with a UFO? Bashi pointed out that Criss' levitation is done by the UFO, and that a similar trick can be done with an "antichrist" (not Criss).
Criss claims (in his book) that he does not believe in psychic abilities, paranormal or UFOs.

Nobody said that Criss is a Freemason, reptilian, or antichrist; but why do you think he is not a Freemason? A lot of hardcore magicians are of the occult.

[SteveX]

I have friend thats a Magician. He can do the lot but in his mind the only thing that’s keeps him back is money. The fact he isn't a good looking chap with a charismatic personality alludes him but he still makes a part time living doing parties. He says, as a member of the magic circle, they don't give away the secrets because it ruins the trick (TRICK = his words). Everything is a variation on a theme and some magicians make another income by inventing new ways to do the same thing. Bigger and better = lots of money and when you buy a trick you undertake to keep it secret. His assistant, now his wife, equally had to keep things secret. Without telling me how things are done he has said that collusion with a partner is a big part of many tricks and that includes stooges in audiences and TV camera tricks. So if I watch something like a man walking on (clear plastic) water and someone standing next to him exclaiming, "it's amazing." I can only draw one conclusion.

To insinuate a magician is an Alien is tad Hitch Hikers Guide. He comes thousands of light years or beams in…. just to stun a few earth beings? Or to insinuate magicians use Alien tech to perform a trick instead of making themselves 3 times richer than Bill Gates…. come on!

[SteveX]

Double post (server burp?)

[bashi]

To insinuate a magician is an Alien is tad Hitch Hikers Guide. He comes thousands of light years or beams in…. just to stun a few earth beings? Or to insinuate magicians use Alien tech to perform a trick instead of making themselves 3 times richer than Bill Gates…. come on!

You have obviously not read the thread on PA1.
Read it and think about your post again, please.

[SteveX]

You have obviously not read the thread on PA1.
Read it and think about your post again, please.

Can't get to PA1 for the last few days but if it's a thread where someone posted magic vids, I did see it. I even replied something similar there.

In one vid there was some kind of craft way back in the background. One couldn't make out if it was an aircraft or a helicopter or the mother of all ships. What ever it was.

[bashi]

You have not seen the thread, nor have you posted there, nor have you made any effort to find out. Still you comment on the subject, trying to debunk something you do not know of.

Is that your Due Diligence?

[SteveX]

You have not seen the thread, nor have you posted there, nor have you made any effort to find out. Still you comment on the subject, trying to debunk something you do not know of.

Is that your Due Diligence?

Bashi your link to PA1 is not working because PA1 is suffering from slow mo and timing out. It has been doing that for the last 3 days. If I could view it I would. If it's the thread I think it is I'm not debunking anything. Infact the trick of illusion by, get this.... AN ILLUSIONIST seems to have done its T R I C K.

[stardustaquarion]

The videos are not longer available due to copyright issues says youtube, any other links?

Cheers

[bashi]

Well you should not get tricked by the TPTB. At least you should not accept defeat.
Here the thread as a pdf:
Will i get a thmp up for it?

525

I will search for vids, when i have a bit more time.

[SteveX]

Lets analyse the first two vids: To make an elephant disappear/appear in
concrete-floored garage is unexplainable by normal means. Remarkably in
both cases a human chain was formed, with the elephant inside.
One can say that the circle serves as a proof, that the elephant has not
been walked out of/into the bed-sheets from the place optically covered by
them. But what if the chain is used like in a pagan or wiccan ritual, in which
these magnified psychic energies are used to achieve the feat?

You will go on to ask the reader to assume a few things after the 2 assumptions here. 1) your assumption. 2) That pagan wiccan rituals have the REAL power to work. Todate there is no proof of this ever happening.

Are these
energies channelled here by technological means to make the elephant
disappear?
Speculation you will say,

Too right.

but now I will proof to you that Criss is been
helped by Freaking Magic technologies to achieve some of his stunts:
In the third video Criss is flying in an open golf course. There are no
cranes or helicopters

How do you know this? When I watched this Vid they did a camera shot from his low left. To me, by the way he was balanced slightly forward in mid air, it looked like a wire was holding him. A wire that was obviously CGI’ed out.

with any flying acryl-plate on which he can stand. I
believe that he was really flying there.

You are entitled to believe what you like but I would suggest assumptions are not a basis for a sound argument.

But how?
Look at timeframe at 0:57 . When he is been lifted up, briefly a UFO can be
seen:

There is no doubt there is something flying in the background. Can’t see what it is though and with it disappearing, for me, makes a better case for CGI cleaning of the tape. But hey, I suppose it’s more realistic to conclude it’s a space ship beaming our illusionist into the air.

This is far more than a casual optical glitch of the camera.
Can it be that the cloaking screen of the UFO was a little bit failing when
they activated the beam which carried Criss?
Looks like.
It is a proof for me that Criss Angel is a Psyops participant of the PTB.
But what might be the agenda behind that operation?
For that we have to look at the bigger picture: Lets assume that the
operation of the “second coming” of Christ/Aliens or whatever is on its
way.
The main aim is:
The wilful subjugation of mankind to the authority of a “God
Almighty” which has not so godly intentions.
Where comes Criss into play?
Criss might get groomed because he is a test to see how far a gullible
youth can buy into accepting him as a god.

I think a self-proclaimed illusionist would have a hard time convincing anyone he’s a god. The god freaks on this planet would lynch him if he really went down that line.

Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWg2vkwq_XE
There Criss walks on water with a Jesus-beard and chemtrails in the
background. In this video 25 times “OH, MY GOD” was shouted by
obviously payed actors.
The title of this short video is “Criss Angel is a GOD”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPJDEp5AkIg
It got nearly 500.000 views.

Could it be that people actually like to view magic tricks?


This hammering

Hammering of what? I see no hammering. There was a vid put on YouTube for folk to look at…..if they wanted to.

of being a god because of
some magical stunts is obvious.
If Criss´s scenario plays out to be successful, then he will be a kind of
authority to facilitate the acceptance of the coming God, which proofs
himself through doing the “impossible”.


But but err but it’s an illusion. A freakin magic trick.

Does Criss play a Petrus role for the PTB, by paving the way for things to
unfold ?

Man, you’ve based this on many assumptions.

Here’s something I came up with. If I assumed my Aunty had balls I would be deluded by the illusion of her having balls, to now being my Uncle.

[shybastid]

LOL............ Magic verses Metaphysics? Common guys and girls. I don't want to bore you with my entertainment background. I don't want to be a snob either. I do NOT know how Chris does his "ACT." Good for HIM. It is an ACT..a performance. A WELL done performance..but an ACT. The TV Show Showing how Magicians do their ACT was very well done. The guy that showed how the tricks were done? BARRED From Vegas. At one point he had a price on his head for giving away so many "tricks" on TV. I know a lot of tricks from Magic Castle magicians and Vegas stage acts.(AND TAHOE) I respect their craft. When you see a Lion come out of a empty cage? Magic!!
Would I piss off a headliner from Vegas to disclose his "act?" Not me on this one.

[shybastid]

LOL Steve. Your Aunt has balls? Cool I think

Isnt that an uncle?

[bashi]

Hi Steve, thanks for your long reply. Let me finally shoot back:

"You will go on to ask the reader to assume a few things after the 2 assumptions here. 1) your assumption. 2) That pagan wiccan rituals have the REAL power to work. Todate there is no proof of this ever happening. "

1. I made an assumption, based on my knowledge about/with rituals. This assumption is made as a basis for the discussion to follow. To question the assumption is your right, but not useful, as it is negative rethorics.
2. Pagan rituals can work, based on what I have experienced. You have the right to question that, showing to me that you had no encounter with it. I am not advertising to do these rituals, as I think it is something to be left alone, but to deny their existence and effect is like denying murder on the street, because you have not personally been involved in a case. If you want proof, then you have to seek for it, because these things are not served on a plate. But you will not, because – according to you - these things CAN NOT exist. So why chase something which does not exist ? Isn’t it?

Here a vid shot by some seekers. It shows how it works in the bush of Africa:


tW6pVFOpE6Q

Wires and Cranes in the bush? Of course! The Germans were travelling thousands of miles only to get fooled by a childish rope TRICK? Naturally, because it MUST be so.
We know that everybody is fooling himself, except you!

There is no obvious reason, why Criss is stressing the importance of not letting the human chain break under any circumstances. A common proof to have enough witnesses standing around, will do. But if you want to harness psychic energy from the human circle, then the unbroken chain becomes EXTREMELY important.

Here another vid with Criss and his human chain, used to let an elephant appear, in open. No magic elevator for the elephant, but the pyramid in the background:


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Why don´t you ask your magic friend whether he knows how to do it? Of course he will tell you that magicians will not tell you the TRICK. Then ask him whether he knows of a magician with the same TRICK, IN THE OPEN. Would be interesting to hear this. Will you do that and post the answers/links?



"How do you know this? When I watched this Vid they did a camera shot from his low left. To me, by the way he was balanced slightly forward in mid air, it looked like a wire was holding him. A wire that was obviously CGI’ed out. "
Surprise! First you said you read and posted on the thread, which you had obviously not. So you had not the vid- address until I posted the PDF. But the vids have been removed, and still you saw them? Well, thats a T R I C K !
If not, then please post links to these vids. Proof yourself!
How can you be sure that the vid you are referring to, is the same I analysed?


"You are entitled to believe what you like but I would suggest assumptions are not a basis for a sound argument. "
So where is your sound argument? Wires and Cranes on a golf-course, off course!
Then all people standing around must have been actors and bought. That is excluded by the assumption.
The assumption is that the bystanders are not bought actors, at least in these particular vids.
Otherwise we would have had numerous posts on many forums from people which got offered some bucks to play the fool in these vids. I have not come across it, but if you, please show me some of these posts. And proof that the claim is correct!
The thread started on an assumption that there is something to it. It is trying to figure out what is happening, WITHOUT assuming automatically that everything has been faked. That everybody can do.
The assumption might be wrong, but is been made for the sake of discussion. Before the removal of the vids it was just an assumption. But now it seems that the discussion has significant substance, with the removal as indirect proof. And here you jump in claiming to have responded to the thread and to have seen the vids. It makes me think.


"But how?
Look at timeframe at 0:57 . When he is been lifted up, briefly a UFO can be
seen:"
"There is no doubt there is something flying in the background. Can’t see what it is though and with it disappearing, for me, makes a better case for CGI cleaning of the tape. But hey, I suppose it’s more realistic to conclude it’s a space ship beaming our illusionist into the air."
You can see something flying? How, when and where? Please post a screen-shot or post the link. How do you explain it? You can`t say what it is, but you know what it NOT CAN be? Well done!



"I think a self-proclaimed illusionist would have a hard time convincing anyone he’s a god. The god freaks on this planet would lynch him if he really went down that line. "
I think Criss is just been used by this group. He does not have access to the technology, nor can use it for personal gain, apart from what is allowed. He is as dispensable as many others.


"Could it be that people actually like to view magic tricks?"
Rethorics!


Please explain to me why suddenly all 5 vids were removed. People should be suddenly not any more allowed to watch it, after half million has seen it. WHY?
If one or two were removed, then no big deal. But all 5 with the same claim of copyright by the same group A&E (who so ever they are). Out of nearly 15000 vids !
You should know something :
When you play lottery, you chose 5 or 6 certain numbers out of say 40-50 numbers. How many times have you won with 5 numbers correct?
Now imagine you have to chose your 5 numbers not from 40-50, but from 15000! The probability to chose ALL these 5 numbers correctly is nearly equal to zero. Even if every single human on Earth will be allowed to take part in that lottery, you most likely will have no winner.

But: I am a winner !!! EXPLAIN !



"Hammering of what? I see no hammering. There was a vid put on YouTube for folk to look at…..if they wanted to. "
Have you seen that particular vid? Where is it now? Please post the link. Have you counted the number of repeated exclamations ?



"But but err but it’s an illusion. A freakin magic trick."
Now, that’s an assumption! Other explanations are not possible within your belief-system?



"Does Criss play a Petrus role for the PTB, by paving the way for things to
unfold ?"
"Man, you’ve based this on many assumptions. "
I have simply thrown in a question to be discussed, based on a conspiracy theorists knowledge.


Steve, please post the links of the vids, so that everybody can come to the same conclusions as you have come.
Also please answer my questions and explain how I became a WINNER.

If you can`t, then you are arguing out of thin air. A mere negative debunking position of “It cant be, therefore it MUST be a TRICK” in a discussion like this is hardly beneficial.

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[lightblue]

great response b

out of not knowing, the only resposible thing to say is - don't know..it does not make one sound dumb, on the contrary.. in my opinion, it is always a sign of personal competence

:hail:

[SteveX]

LOL Steve. Your Aunt has balls? Cool I think

Isnt that an uncle?

Thats the illusion of what I said

[SteveX]

Bashi

You posted this on AV1. I read the thread and watched all the vids THERE. Dude, I already told you "if it's the thread I think it is." The PDF only confirmed it was the thread I thought it was. AV1 after being down the last 3 days is back up....as a read only. I thought I responded to your thread on AV1. Seems I didn't or it didn't post. My over riding thought then and now is that the THEORY is to far fetched. If you want to call that negative...so be it. I suppose for me to be positive I would have to fall in line with your theory and frankly I don't.

Illusionist put alot of time, effort and money in their performances. It is no wonder they don't divulge how they do it and for me to disprove your THEORY the illusionist would have to divulge how he did it. THAT AIN"T HAPPENING.

Look mate. If your driving along in your car and one cylinder starts to misfire would you assume the crankshaft has snapped? Or would you assume the spark plug in that cylinder is faulty? Often the most obvious explanation is correct. In this case it's an illusionist being very proficient in his chosen career. But if your only saying "what if" then you may as well argue about my Aunty now being my Uncle because of the appendages I imagined she had. It’s really inconsequential...isn't it?

The vid where the illusionist appears to float in mid air showed a clear clue as to what was happening. Low left upper shot from camera of the guy in mid air leaning slightly forward of the centre of balance. As though taken out of balance by an invisible wire attached to his upper back. Bloody shame the Vid isn't available cause I’d screen shot it for you. As to the craft in the distance. It was there and it did disappear. Like I said couldn’t make out if it was a chopper, a plane or a space ship. As to it disappearing on a vid of an illusionist floating in mid air what makes more sense. 1) The aircraft flew directly away from camera beyond site. 2) CGI effects of wiping out a wire attached to the illusionist also wiped out the aircraft? 3) Your theory is correct and the Alien space ship was colluding, in full view, with the illusionist.

As for the vids being pulled from Youtube which you say proves your case. Again what makes more sense 1) A third party (possibly a fan) posted the illusionist vid therefore breaking copy write. 2) That it does prove your case 100%.

Edited to add this quote


Can't get to PA1 for the last few days but if it's a thread where someone posted magic vids, I did see it. I even replied something similar there.

In one vid there was some kind of craft way back in the background. One couldn't make out if it was an aircraft or a helicopter or the mother of all ships. What ever it was.

[samvado]

THIS looks very convincing, in fact if its not a camera trick it MUST be real.

look here: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?877-Mind-over-matter&p=7919#post7919)

[RedeZra]

Great post Bashi

seems like the vids were removed because of your thread and theory on PA1

Im so tired of the childish channelings about ET

tnx for all the posts that shed a light and a link to the man-made aspect of these high tech nuts and bolts in the sky

[SteveX]

Look at these links from a quick search on the InTardnet....

http://www.freepostmagic.co.uk/epages/es115016.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es115016_es122312918189/Products/fc1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG5_DdKoDkw

http://www.goodtricks.net/criss-angel-magic-explained.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBDjsda9www

Knock yourselves out with all the other YouTube links.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Breaking+the+Magician%27s+Code&aq=f

[3optic]

Cool trick but.. is he really bringing an elephant to Vegas for self promoting theatrics? This is the best way to demonstrate miraculous abilities? Obviously a trained circus animal. I recommend the movie The Cove (http://www.thecovemovie.com/WatchTheTrailer.htm) for insight into how an animals psyche is affected by this.

Also: if this trick is real why the need for a veil?

Final comment: Booooo!

[bashi]

Thanks red



Also thanks to Steve for keeping the flag up.
Unfortunately all the posted videos are not the ones which I am talking about. They are all about childish tricks. Steve, that you did not post any vids of Chriss, but only your debunking stuff , confirms your approach.
I am not a fan of Criss, but it would have been more on topic.

Let me calculate the probability that you are right: As the removed vids were posted at different times by different channels, the probability that A&E will claim these 5 vids out of 15000 just by random “luck” is:

15000 x 14999 x 14998 x 14997 x 14996 = 7.589 x 10 E+20 TO 1
That is a 7 with 20 zeros behind against just Steve.

If you now let all inhabitants of Earth (6.5 billion) take part in a lottery with that same probability to win, then you will have to have 116 billion Earths (of different timelines) combined, just to equal the odds.

So the chances that you are right are next to nothing.


I am a WINNER! Certified by TPTB!

As no one was really searching for vids, I had to do it again.
Here is a vid about the golf-course levitation. Unfortunately it is in bad quality and much shorter than the original. In the original the camera goes for 15 seconds into the sky in all directions, to show that there are no cranes or helicopters around:


dNR2NpgDu5Q

In 0:06 you can faintly see the orb as in the pictures. It moves into a different position later.
The view counter seems to be disabled. Why?


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[SteveX]

Bashi

You are missing the point. This vid I posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBDjsda9www show how an illusionist makes a cable car disappear. It could well have been an elephant. Another vid shows a simple levitation trick and another link shows you a fake coin. In the links on the links theres one which appears to tell you how he walks on water. It's all an illusion chap. As I said to you before, my friend the magician has told me all this stuff is variations of a theme. The more money you have the bigger and better you can make it look.

But no...it's Alien Tech, pagan Wicca magic. Dude...really?

As for your 5 vids being removed I'll wager there were more removed than that, out of the 15,000 that you claim is out there. Did you bother checking or did you assume it was only those 5?

Now for that vid you just posted. The guy is on a freakin wire. Look at this screen shot from 29 seconds into the vid. If you hold Ctrl on your keyboard and spin your mouse wheel you can zoom right in on this screen shot.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-fc/busted.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/illusionistwire.jpg


Play the vid and expand to full screen (bottom right) when you get 27 seconds use the play / pause button (bottom left) to go frame by frame. As he comes out of the sun you can clearly see the 2 wires.

EDIT In fact if you Zoom out you can see the 2 shoulder wires easier.
EDIT EDIT when you watch that vid on Youtube the view counter is there. It has 50 views.

[bashi]

How do you do the TRICK to see some wires in this bad quality vid?
I can't do it. I don`t see them even in the original.

[bashi]

"As for your 5 vids being removed I'll wager there were more removed than that, out of the 15,000 that you claim is out there. Did you bother checking or did you assume it was only those 5? "

Well, if you would take the pain an do your Due Diligence, then you would know. But you have to seek, even if it is a 10 seconds internet search. :eyebrows:

[SteveX]

How do you do the TRICK to see some wires in this bad quality vid?
I can't do it. I don`t see them even in the original.

My computer is over 5 years old but I up graded the Vid card to a ATI RADEON HD 3,800 series. I needed it for a game I used to play.

Anyways, what you should try is this. Play the film in FULL SCREEN MODE (bottom right 4 arrows Icon) and stop it at 30 seconds (play / pause button bottom left). There's a slider running along the bottom of the screen. With the film paused grab the slider with your mouse and slowly move it back to the left. You should see a frame by frame view as it goes backwards. There appears to be 2 frames per second. The wires are visable on the first frame of 29 seconds.

It would be good if someone else could confirm this for Bashi please. Vid link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNR2NpgDu5Q&feature=player_embedded

[SteveX]

"As for your 5 vids being removed I'll wager there were more removed than that, out of the 15,000 that you claim is out there. Did you bother checking or did you assume it was only those 5? "

Well, if you would take the pain an do your Due Diligence, then you would know. But you have to seek, even if it is a 10 seconds internet search. :eyebrows:

Bashi

It has been my opinion that this is an illusionist doing his tricks. Which I have proved. Why would I even consider trawling through 15,000 vids to see how many have been taken down because of copy write issues? Why would I need to prove your maths are wrong when the whole theory is wrong?

[bashi]

Well Mr. Wrong,
this disussion is like trying to hammer steel with copper.
Anyhow, i thank you for your efforts and the discussion.

[SteveX]

Well Mr. Wrong,
this disussion is like trying to hammer steel with copper.
Anyhow, i thank you for your efforts and the discussion.

Oh boy! I know this is a conspiracy site but this is getting ridicules. You say I'm wrong after all the evidence I’ve presented…just to disprove an illusion I might add.

You claim the illusionist is using Alain tech and Pagan Wicca magic. Then posted 3 YouTube vids of the guy disappearing away an elephant, walking on water and levitating.

Recap of evidence

1) A self confessed illusionist releases his tricks on video. That's enough right there for anyone to say OK. Somehow you seem to read more into it. It might be you don't understand how it works but that's OK because 99% of people watching won't know either. However, the majority of those people will understand that a performer has just executed an amazing trick.
2) Other people besides myself tell you its a magic trick. It's just a performance but you seem unwilling to accept that.
3) A disappearing aircraft is better proof to the film being tampered with. You consistently ignore the most likely and go for the most unlikely.
4) I present evidence on YouTube vids which show you how to make things disappear. For some reason this isn't good enough for you because it's not the same guy even though stuff disappears.
5) I take a screen shot of your latest video which clearly shows wires in the levitation trick. With this overwhelming evidence you still claim I'm wrong.

I'm sorry to say that with your attitude to the evidence it's clear where the illusion lays. 500 years ago this kind of misunderstanding would have street performers burned at the stake.

[lightblue]

hi stevex

how would you explain this "trick" then (from page 2 of this thread) ? thanks l


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW6pVFOpE6Q&feature=player_embedded

[SteveX]

hi stevex

how would you explain this "trick" then (from page 2 of this thread) ? thanks l


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW6pVFOpE6Q&feature=player_embedded

What am I. Some kind of expert on magic tricks?

Thats an old film. Prolly from the 70's. It isn't digital so it's harder to go frame by frame.

The question is why haven't you cross examined this. Ask these questions. What was the original German film about? Why was the film used in an English speaking program? What was that program about? Why was this filmed in the dark? Why was he balencing like that?


BUT MOST OF ALL

What is that vertical light / white line from the guys left shoulder on frames 1.28 through to 1.40? If you can tell me that you'll prolly have the answer to your question. If you say you don't know I'll ask this question. In the light of illusion and the evidence I've posted above about the other levitating trick, whats more probable, a wire or a man that can levitate?

[lisa]

Bashi, if they have enough resources to fund these performances and keep the videos from the public, they can also debate you to death on a forum.

[SteveX]

Bashi, if they have enough resources to fund these performances and keep the videos from the public, they can also debate you to death on a forum.

Nice back hander. All I can say is I wish I was back in the car trade. With the likes of some punters I would sell a few more old bangers.

[bashi]

lisa you are right

[bashi]

Cool it Steve!
I called you Mr. Wrong because of your respective post which ends like:

" Why would I need to prove your maths are wrong when the whole theory is wrong? "

I had no intention to attack you personally, but if you perceived it like that, then I hereby apologize.

The arguments have been presented by both sides, without one side been able to convince the other. That’s OK, just a difference of opinion. But in this thread i don’t want to have a blindsided discussion by repeating arguments. That’s not helpful for the other readers.

Let me remind you that in the first post of the thread I wrote:

“Criss has proven to be a more or less talented illusionist. By using the
standard repertoire, he disappears, gets cut into pieces and walks on acryl
plates covered by water.
But some stunts are going far beyond any possible explanation.
Of course we can always say, that all participants were paid actors and
that its all a cheap sham. But that’s not what this thread is about.
Lets assume we are looking at a real phenomena in some of these videos.”

If you had done your homework and have READ ONLY THE FIRST POST , then you would have realized that all your posts were actually “OFF TOPIC”.
I still responded to them, which I will not do any more in future.

If the MAGIC contained in this THREAD is FREAKING you out, then it would be also better to refrain yourself to post here.

Why don’t you start your own debunking thread about Criss? I think you will feel more comfortable there.



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[SteveX]

Let me remind you that in the first post of the thread I wrote:


Let me remind you that in your first post you actually said

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19685

It has been often claimed that the black projects are operating on a
technological level which their insiders themselves describe as “Freakin
Magic”. That’s because these technologies are using hyperdimensions,
psychic energies etc. to produce mind-boggling results.
Its been claimed also that these technologies are used to influence the
general public to subjugate them into buying into a particular believesystem
or mindset. Ok I'm listening
These claims can rarely be proven with public available material. One rare
proof, for example, is the existence of alien implants in humans. True...still listening But there
is more proof…
Lets take a look at another phenomena called CRISS ANGEL, or the
“MINDFREAK”: What? "Warning Will Robinson Warning"
Criss has proven to be a more or less talented illusionist. By using the
standard repertoire, he disappears, get cut into pieces and walk on acryl
plates covered by water.
But some stunts are going far beyond any possible explanation: You now produce 3 Chriss Angel vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_65BxhrWBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_65BxhrWBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdyMBFVQyL8
Of course we can always say, that all participants were paid actors and
that its all a cheap sham. But that’s not what this thread is about.
Lets assume we are looking at a real phenomena in some of these videos.
FREAKING MAGIC - The veil removed - Project Avalon Forum http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19685
1 of 11 09.04.2010 12:53
So the question is: How and Why?
Lets analyse the first two vids: To make an elephant disappear/appear in
concrete-floored garage is unexplainable by normal means. Remarkably in
both cases a human chain was formed, with the elephant inside.
One can say that the circle serves as a proof, that the elephant has not
been walked out of/into the bed-sheets from the place optically covered by
them. But what if the chain is used like in a pagan or wiccan ritual, in which
these magnified psychic energies are used to achieve the feat? Are these
energies channelled here by technological means to make the elephant
disappear? No it's just an illusionists trick.
Speculation you will say, but now I will proof to you that Criss is been
helped by Freaking Magic technologies to achieve some of his stunts: Proof...proof, it's just an illusion by a man who’s paid career is to perform tricks.
In the third video Criss is flying in an open golf course. There are no
cranes or helicopters with any flying acryl-plate on which he can stand.
I believe that he was really flying there. But how? ffs :doh:
Look at timeframe at 0:57 . When he is been lifted up, briefly a UFO can be
seen: 3 Screen shot pictures of levitation not available on PDF
Also here at 1:15
FREAKING MAGIC - The veil removed - Project Avalon Forum http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19685
2 of 11 09.04.2010 12:53
and here at 1:24
This is far more than a casual optical glitch of the camera.
Can it be that the cloaking screen of the UFO was a little bit failing when
they activated the beam which carried Criss?
Looks like.
It is a proof for me that Criss Angel is a Psyops participant of the PTB.
But what might be the agenda behind that operation?
For that we have to look at the bigger picture: Lets assume that the
operation of the “second coming” of Christ/Aliens or whatever is on its
way.
The main aim is:
The wilful subjugation of mankind to the authority of a “God
FREAKING MAGIC - The veil removed - Project Avalon Forum http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19685
3 of 11 09.04.2010 12:53
Almighty” which has not so godly intentions.
Where comes Criss into play?
Criss might get groomed because he is a test to see how far a gullible
youth can buy into accepting him as a god.
Watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWg2vkwq_XE
There Criss walks on water with a Jesus-beard and chemtrails in the
background. In this video 25 times “OH, MY GOD” was shouted by
obviously payed actors.
The title of this short video is “Criss Angel is a GOD”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPJDEp5AkIg
It got nearly 500.000 views. This hammering of being a god because of
some magical stunts is obvious. Oh really?
If Criss´s scenario plays out to be successful, then he will be a kind of
authority to facilitate the acceptance of the coming God, which proofs
himself through doing the “impossible”.
Does Criss play a Petrus role for the PTB, by paving the way for things to
unfold ?



If you had done your homework and have READ ONLY THE FIRST POST , then you would have realized that all your posts were actually[SIZE="4"] “OFF TOPIC”.
I still responded to them, which I will not do any more in future.


You did nothing but bang on about this Chris Angel guy ….AS PROOF. The only magic you referred to was Chris Angel’s vids and screen shots. You believed he was flying. There was a hint at what you now say your thread is about and that was the words “Lets assume we are looking at a real phenomena in some of these videos.” The rest of it was Chris Angel, Chris Angel …off topic....... indeed. :confused:

Look! It's bad enough that you went all Tin Foil Hat about illusionist magic tricks but to say I was off topic shows where the illusion really transpires.

SteveX out.

[bashi]

Yes, SteveX: OUT!

Nuff said

[bashi]

Here a vid with the A&E logo imbedded:


zuNaF9Rcn18&NR=1

This vid had not been mentioned in the first post, and has not been removed.

[samvado]

Bashi, this must be a camera trick then:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?877-Mind-over-matter&p=7919#post7919

[bashi]

Bashi, this must be a camera trick then:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?877-Mind-over-matter&p=7919#post7919

I dont know how he did it, but it is most likely a simple trick. I am suspect of all in-door "magic" performances. The in-door set-up makes illusions very easy.
In this posted vid (as socalled EVIDENCE ! against the elephant appearance vid :heh: ) it is explicit said that it can not be done in the open:


RBDjsda9www

Did you notice that A&E has the copyright also for this vid?
But it has not been removed from youtube.

So, in this discussion i will not include any in-door performance. And that makes Criss so extraordinary: He performs often in the open, where it is extrem difficult to apply all these mirrors, fake bottoms etc.
As said before, some are just simple tricks, but some are raising the question whether it is really an illusion.


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[samvado]

[SIZE="3"][COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]

I dont know how he did it, but it is most likely a simple trick. I am suspect of all in-door "magic" performances. The in-door set-up makes illusions very easy.

hmm, I dont see what difference it would make for this particular trick if it were performed in the open or not.

a glass table, 2 immediate witnesses sitting only inches away, a bunch sitting in the BACK of him and the camera in front.
quite a foolproof setup, even in my leftbrain world.

if the people are in and the camerawork is duped, of course, anything goes, but if its a honest recording I dont see how ANY trick would be possible, especially as the lady to the right touches his arm at the end (the one going thru the glas)

but then again, I am not a magician.

[rosie]

Hey Bashi, I believe in Magic, and will never stop believing!


"As above, so below"

This phrase comes from the beginning of The Emerald Tablet and embraces the entire system of traditional and modern magic which was inscribed upon the tablet in cryptic wording by Hermes Trismegistus. The significance of this phrase is that it is believed to hold the key to all mysteries. All systems of magic are claimed to function by this formula. "'That which is above is the same as that which is below'...Macrocosmos is the same as microcosmos. The universe is the same as God, God is the same as man, man is the same as the cell, the cell is the same as the atom, the atom is the same as...and so on, ad infinitum."

This message theorizes that man is the counterpart of God on earth; as God is man's counterpart in heaven. Therefore, it is a statement of an ancient belief that man's actions on earth parallel the actions of God in heaven. This pivots on the belief that "all things have their birth from this One Thing by adaptation."

To the magician the magical act, that of causing a transformation in a thing or things without any physical contact, is accomplished by an imaginative act accompanied by the will that the wanted change will occur. The magical act and imaginative act becomes one and the same. The magician knows with certainty that for the change to occur he must will it to happen and firmly believe it will happen. Here it may be noted that magic and religion are akin: both require belief that a miracle will occur.

To bring about such a change the magician uses the conception of "dynamic interconnectedness to describe the physical world as the sort of thing that imagination and desire can effect. The magician's world is an independent whole, a web of which no strand is autonomous. Mind and body, galaxy and atom, sensation and stimulus, are intimately bound. Witchcraft strongly imbues the view that all things are independent and interrelated." These concepts pivot on the belief that all things come from the One Thing, or First Cause, and "Its power is integrating, if it be turned into earth."

The purpose of all rituals in ceremonial magic is to unite the microcosm with the macrocosm to join God, or gods when invoked, with the human consciousness. When such a supreme union is achieved the subject and object becomes one. This is because the magician feels that he is consciously in touch with all elements of the universe, therefore, he can control them. It may be said, the magician feels connected with the universe. This feeling intensifies the more the magician successfully practices his skills. Whenever he experiences a failure he knows that the ritual was not performed correctly.

When feeling unison with the universe the magician knows he has reached his Higher or True Self because he has attained mastery of himself and the universe. Thus he feels his "skillful work ascends from earth to heaven and descends to earth again, and receives the power of the superiors and of the inferiors." Therefore, he "hast the glory of the whole worldtherefore let all obscurity flee from thee." Now the miracles are possible.

Some magicians, including Aleister Crowley, claimed that when the magician reaches this ultimate peak of altered consciousness the miracles are no longer important, the extreme goal becomes the direct union with God. A.G.H.

[samvado]

A funny thing happened to myself recently. I used to carry my watch hanging over my heart on a strap attached to my vest (I dont like it on my wrist). In January on my way to La Gomera I realized my watch had stopped (a quarz model). This watch ran for 10 years without a fail, new batteries provided. I didnt give it any notice, threw it away and bought a new one. This one again the very next day had stopped. I gave it back and received my third. That too stopped the next day. The watchdealer handed me the first back and remarked it had run flawlessly since I had turned it in.
Since then I keep it in my pants-pocket where it runs flawlessly. magic?

[bashi]

Its so easy to let a small coin vanish. Thats standard practice.
Even an elephant in-doors.

[THE eXchanger]

- everything is energy - so; everything is magic; or holds the potential for magic
susan ~ White lotus Star

[Peace of Mind]

I like David Blane too, he's a very interesting person.

http://www.ted.com/talks/david_blaine_how_i_held_my_breath_for_17_min.html

This guy is always walking around the city performing tricks. I especially like his endurance feats.

Peace

[SteveX]

Here a vid with the A&E logo imbedded:


zuNaF9Rcn18&NR=1

This vid had not been mentioned in the first post, and has not been removed.

Ah, "The phenomina called Criss Angel with stunts that go beyond any possible explanation."
So you believe he really can fly.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/CA1.jpg

It's doesn't look like he can. What would that mean?

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/CA2.jpg

Can you explain away the missing man / group, sun intencity and shadow?

I had this pegged 20 min after watching it. Why didn't you. Did you want to believe so baddly? Look at all the camera angles, edits and shadows. That film is fishier than Sea World.


http://www.xploremagic.com/Illusion/criss-angel-5-ton-elephant-appearance-revealed.html

Elephant trick in revers...appearing...second film down in link above.

[bashi]

I wanted to explain more on the elephant appearing trick, posted on 10th April here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?883-FREAKIN-MAGIC-The-veil-removed&p=8237&viewfull=1#post8237

But this Vid had been also removed yesterday during the process of the discussion!!

Now you will need 15000 times 116 billion earths to balance the odds!
Do you need more proof?

Well, some tin foil hat people still don't get it, and it looks i will have to work until ALL Criss vids have disappeared. A long way to go...don`t have time for that.

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[shybastid]

Want to hear stanger then fiction? According to John Lear, (that John Lear) there is a major hotel casino in Las Vegas that looks normal in every way. Except, as normal people enter and leave as normal looking tourists,Their Not! Their actually government employees being shuttled undergroud to Area 51. HE said it, not me.
Guess which hotel has come up on the rumor mill?
Luxor.....where Chiss performs. I'm just sayin.
I know a trick when I see one,even if I don't know HOW it's done. Maybe Chiss snuck onto the underground shuttle and found out secrets?
I'm not buying it. Underground shuttle? MayyyyB. At the Luxor? I doubt it. Chriss knows true magic? I doubt it.
The Video where Chiss climbs through solid glass has been debunked. Total fake. Looked great until it was debunked. Then, like most tricks,once you know how it was done,you feel stupid.

[bashi]

Criss does not know "real magic", what ever it is. He gets support by a group using "Freakin Magic" technical tools to support some of his stunts, not all. These stunts anybody could perform, if clued in.

[bashi]

Well, watch this stupid debunking vid (the second one, notice the first one had been removed):


http://www.xploremagic.com/Illusion/criss-angel-5-ton-elephant-appearance-revealed.html

It is shown that the elephant will be guided into the canvas from behind, after the canvas is raised. After that, the canvas is closed.
How long will it take to do that?
My guess is less than a 1 minute.
Can it be done in only 30 seconds? It depends on the distance the elephant has to walk, but it is possible.
In 10 seconds? Very difficult
In 5 seconds? Impossible. That’s the time the elephant takes to walk maybe 5 meters, from a full stop.
Notice that they actually cut the vid, in order not to show how long the whole procedure will take.


Now to the recently removed elephant vid from Criss:
First: There were no cuts from the moment the canvas was raised until it was dropped, with the elephant inside.

Second: The time lapse from raising the canvas to the dropping of it was a mere 4 seconds!

Third: The mentioned site "explore magic" had made this debunking vid about Chriss long ago and made a special web-site for it. A&E didnt remove their vid as a response, but after posting Criss vid here, it was taken down immediately. That alone tells us something.


Debunkers posting here will not think about these things . It does not fit into their believe-system.


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[bashi]

Dear reader,
in the beginning of this thread I postulated just a theory. But now you are witnessing here live how a scheme of TPTB is revealing itself. In this thread you can see live how a plot was exposed, and how TPTB scramble to cover their tracks. Here Posted vids, which are supporting the theory were removed within days from youtube and somebody desperately tried to debunk and sabotage this thread.

The debunking elephant vid had been posted AFTER the Criss vid had been removed. Maybe because otherwise everybody would see by himself how ridiculous this debunking vid is.
Anyhow, the removal shows to you how weak in reality TPTB are. They have to closely monitor this thread and scramble to destroy any clue which supports the theory.
If they would be really strong, then they just would not care.

But this thread goes to the core: Because it exposes how the power is drained from the people, in order to create a phenomena which in turn serves to keep the same people under control. The fear of TPTB is that the people will see through this smart scheme and then will just withdraw their support. With that this feat will become ridiculous and will simply collapse.

My strongest evidence for my theory is the action taken by A&E.
Without their panicking, it would still be only a theory, but they gave me a lot of support.
Without them, my theory would have a much more difficult stand:



THANK YOU A&E !!!


I hope we can continue the good work. :sarcastic:

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[shybastid]

OK..... Anybody ever film an elephant farting with a stop watch next to his/her butt?
That's the only way we can confirm your theory they take five seconds to fart.:p
I'm calling MythBusters on that one.

[shybastid]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/37292/criss_angel_walks_through_glass/ You gotta wait until the commercial is over.
This has been debunked so I'm not ratting him out.
OK......The people who go inside are part of the team. They move the glass out of the way..Chriss climbs through..they put it back...

Damn.... It STILL looks real to me. Real Real.. Boy He's good.

[lightblue]

the debunkers on this thread look at both the magic, magic tricks and debunk tricks with the same acquired wisdom ..so, for a piece of magic that’s a trick, they’ll say it’s a good trick; if a trick is a piece of magic and not a trick (produced by technology or talent) , they’ll say it’s a good trick all the same…you can employ both sensible debunking and debunking by tricks on them and they’ll believe them both…because they were told there’s tricks and there’s debunks…they are convinced they know.. .if they don’t just yet, they are waiting to be told…being told by someone…having to agree…seeking consensus…

for what I’m concerned, it would take an infinite number of prof. and amateur debunkers to debunk my friends young son’s story about his friend who “does something with his hands” and lifts off the floor (some 20-30cm).. the kid is 19 and very shy of his skill.. works as a part time kitchen porter while studying…my friend had seen this happen, i ‘ve not had a chance..

truth is a lonely place where you have to walk alone.
:yu:

[bashi]

Yes, light


http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/biffcrops.jpg

:p

[shybastid]

Brilliant Cartoon Bashi. Brilliant

[shybastid]

I studied Kirlian photography when I was younger. The name comes from a Russian person that developed the process to photograph auras.
You basicly throw an electronic shock on a piece of negative film that has'nt been exposed to light yet.Yep we had a little voltage charger,in a cardboard box with a piece of film. You put your hand in the box,put your hand on the film and "shock" the negative.
We all took turns getting our Aurors Photographed. This one person who claimed he had psychic healing powers?
His Aura was OFF the chart.(Like 4 INCHES from his finger tips with colors!!)
That was'nt magic,that was'nt a trick.. That was the real metaphysical deal. The guys name was Kardic Travidi. I'll never forgot the look in the room. NO! It was a random piece of film. He was not in charge of the experiment.

[bashi]

Yes Kirlian works very well. Can you describe more in detail how the box/device was built?

[shybastid]

Yes... We used the old peel off Kodak film that made a pic after you took a picture,you waited 3 minutes and peeled off the negative from the positive. You took the exposed negative and placed in on the bottom of a cardboard box... The box was totally enclosed.. You reached in with one hand.
The person with the Shocker had two hands in there. One to line up the negative and YOUR hand and one to hold the shocker. Line it up and Shoot....Keep the film in the box for 15seconds,and see results.
Box had cut out holes for us to put our hands and the shocker in from the sides.

[shybastid]

Actually I just remember'd Bashi... WE kept the film intact and THEN pulled it apart after 30 seconds for results.

[SteveX]

Dear reader,
in the beginning of this thread I postulated just a theory. But now you are witnessing here live how a scheme of TPTB is revealing itself. In this thread you can see live how a plot was exposed, and how TPTB scramble to cover their tracks. Here Posted vids, which are supporting the theory were removed within days from youtube and somebody desperately tried to debunk and sabotage this thread.

The debunking elephant vid had been posted AFTER the Criss vid had been removed. Maybe because otherwise everybody would see by himself how ridiculous this debunking vid is.
Anyhow, the removal shows to you how weak in reality TPTB are. They have to closely monitor this thread and scramble to destroy any clue which supports the theory.
If they would be really strong, then they just would not care.
But this thread goes to the core: Because it exposes how the power is drained from the people, in order to create a phenomena which in turn serves to keep the same people under control. The fear of TPTB is that the people will see through this smart scheme and then will just withdraw their support. With that this feat will become ridiculous and will simply collapse.
My strongest evidence for my theory is the action taken by A&E.
Without their panicking, it would still be only a theory, but they gave me a lot of support.
Without them, my theory would have a much more difficult stand:



THANK YOU A&E !!!

I hope we can continue the good work.

This is all rather fantastic.

You have a theory that this Criss Angel guy, which you keep banging on about, is using or is being helped with ritual magic. You say it’s Pagan and Wicca magic and that there is also Alien technology involved. You know this because in the 3 videos you posted there was a circle of people holding hands, ritualistically, in the elephant trick. In another video there was some kind of craft in the sky, which you claim is proof that it is helping Criss Angel in the levitation trick. In another video there was a plane with chemtrails (helping?) in the walking on water trick. Your hypothesis being that Criss Angel is in legue with TPTB to delude the gullible :whistle: for the second coming of Christ. :suspicious:

You also claim you must be correct because the 3 video’s you posted (below) were taken off Youtube. You now claim the reason the videos were taken down is because TPTB are onto you with this thread on AV2. You say it has nothing to do with copy write issues as the broken links express.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_65BxhrWBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_65BxhrWBI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdyMBFVQyL8


The fact that this Criss Angel guy is a professional performer, an illusionist by trade, has little or no consequence to your theory. Even when presented with video proof how illusionists do their tricks

http://www.freepostmagic.co.uk/epages/es115016.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es115016_es122312918189/Products/fc1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG5_DdKoDkw
http://www.goodtricks.net/criss-angel-magic-explained.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBDjsda9www
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Breaking+the+Magician%27s+Code&aq=f (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Breaking+the+Magician%27s+Code&aq=f)
you still prefer to believe that Criss Angel can fly. In your own words quote “I believe he was really flying there.” You dismiss the fact in the links above and the fact this Criss Angel guy is a professional performer. Instead, point to an indistinguishable flying object in the background of this video (below). A copy video of one of your original links.




dNR2NpgDu5Q


Even though some have commented, as have I, that all your watching is a performer doing what illusionist performers do, you blatantly dismiss the fact. Even when present with proof.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/illusionistwire.jpg
Criss Angel is clearly levitating on wires, employing stooges and the film being digitally edited. However, you are unwilling to concede the point and instead conclude I have used some kind of, to quote, “TRICK.”
Then you then try and deflect the debate by inferring I am off topic but then go on to post another levitating Criss Angel video.




zuNaF9Rcn18&NR=1


This video has been messed about with so much I could have taken 5 or 6 screen shots of the anomalies but chose instead to use just 2 of the worst editings
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/CA2.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc288/lynx-AH/CA1.jpg
That film has been messed with by editing out wires and digitally edited to give the illusion of flying. As demonstrated by these links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOnzPW24gC8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOnzPW24gC8&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zK6H4A6_64
You also demonstrate your totally misunderstand how cameras are used in performances when you posted this link I supplied earlier in the thread.


The in-door set-up makes illusions very easy.
In this posted vid (as socalled EVIDENCE ! against the elephant appearance vid ) it is explicit said that it can not be done in the open:



RBDjsda9www

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Where camera angles, stooges and digital editing are concerned, it is irrelevant if the illusion is performed inside or out.

As for this link (below). The Criss Angel appearing elephant video is back and the explanation video is exactly the same principle.
http://www.xploremagic.com/Illusion/...-revealed.html (http://www.xploremagic.com/Illusion/...-revealed.html)

I do concede Criss Angels timing is better but that’s all it is…better. By the way, the elephant was parked behind the coach to left of the background pyramid. You don’t see the coach until the review of the performance. Note how close it is and how the camera, as explained in the “how it was done” video’s, never had a clear view in that direction once the curtain went up.

I do not agree with your hypothesis and that alone is the reason I have proved Criss Angel to be nothing other than a cheating illusionist. One who employs camera work, digital editing, stooges and digital film photo shop. Frankly, it is delusional to ignore all these facts and insinuate I’m somehow involved with TPTB.

[shybastid]

Wow SteveX.. Pretty compelling argument you ARE TPTB.
Just kidding. Nice Presentation.

[bashi]

Some people don`t know the topic of this thread, and still post here. Pitty

[SteveX]

Some people don`t know the topic of this thread, and still post here. Pitty

Oh really, three missing video's, a wild theory / proof about Criss Angel with Alien tech or use of the dark arts. You didn't discuse black projects directly in any of your post. You mention it briefly below.


It has been often claimed that the black projects are operating on a
technological level which their insiders themselves describe as “Freakin
Magic”.

One rare proof, for example, is the existence of alien implants in humans.

Most readers would agree with you here and it could make for a fascinating topic. Implants, psychic research, fearless drugged soldiers and so on. However, 4/5th of your first post goes off on a tangent, about this Criss Angel guy. How you have PROOF, how you BELIEVE he’s using or being helped by certain technologies or even the dark arts.

I can’t see what relevance ANY professional illusionist has to do with Alien tech, dark arts or black projects but you tried to make the case about this Criss Angel guy.

But there is more proof…
Lets take a look at another phenomena called CRISS ANGEL, or the
“MINDFREAK”:

I’m saying Criss Angel is doing nothing of the kind. Criss Angel is nothing other than a performer. Criss Angel is NOT proof of anything. Why even mention the fellow? Could it be because you don’t understand how his tricks are done? That’s OK because as part of the audience your not supposed to. However, when you don’t understand something is it wise to jump to the most obscure, outlandish or even preposterous conclusion?

So the question is: How and Why?
Lets analyse the first two vids:

Which I have done. I have proved he’s nothing other than a cheating performer. In previous posts I have proved he has no relevance to Alien tech, dark arts or black projects. With that in mind the missing videos are irrelivent.

To make an elephant disappear/appear in
concrete-floored garage is unexplainable by normal means.

Not when you understand how it’s done as seen in the "how is it done" link I posted. Remarkably you still have a problem accepting how camera angles are the deception.

Are these energies channelled here by technological means to make the elephant disappear? Speculation you will say, but now I will proof to you that Criss is been helped by Freaking Magic technologies to achieve some of his stunts:

I have given proof, in previous posts, that you are wrong. The only technology being used is deceptive camera angles, in the elephant disappearing / appearing tricks. I have proved he has no relevance to Alien tech, dark arts or black projects. Therefore no relevance to missing vids.

In the third video Criss is flying in an open golf course. There are no
cranes or helicopters with any flying acryl-plate on which he can stand.

You are wrong because the crane wires have been digitally edited out. What startles me is that camera trickery wasn’t your conclusion. I have proved, with screen shots, he has no relevance to Alien tech, dark arts or black projects.

I believe that he was really flying there. But how?

At this point I’m like :doh: You seriously believe a professional illusionist, a man who’s trade it is, to fool audiences, can fly? To be kind, that’s stretching the realms of common sense and probabilities. Again, I have proved he has no relevance to Alien tech, dark arts or black projects. Again, missing vids have no relevance now.

Look at timeframe at 0:57 . When he is been lifted up, briefly a UFO can be
seen: Also here at 1:15 and here at 1:24
This is far more than a casual optical glitch of the camera.
Can it be that the cloaking screen of the UFO was a little bit failing when
they activated the beam which carried Criss? Looks like. It is a proof for me that Criss Angel is a Psyops participant of the PTB.

Imaginative but dude :frusty: read above.

But what might be the agenda behind that operation?

Would you believe to make a living from performing on stage and TV, even when he has to cheat in his chosen profession by using camera tricks, digital editing and stooges.

Does Criss play a Petrus role for the PTB, by paving the way for things to unfold ?

If he does he’s making a pi$$ poor job of it. What relevance has this Criss Angel got in relation to proof in the so-called topic? What relevance does Criss Angel have with Alien tech, dark arts or black projects? What relevance does your discredit theory relating to Criss Angel have, with 3 deleted videos?






NOTHING

[shybastid]

LOL Again.. What Steve said. Kinda compelling argument. Actually VERY compelling points.

[bashi]

LOL Again.. What Steve said. Kinda compelling argument. Actually VERY compelling points.

High shy. i can not read Steve's post anymore. I have put them on my "Ignore list". Its the first time i used this feature.

Are there any substantial points in his post? If so, then pls list them. Don`t be shy. :peep:

[shybastid]

LOL.....He is just reiterating it's not black magic. Not pagen or Chris Angel in cahoots with ETs. Just plain old trickery. His point with Chris is,Chris even uses his camera people to make fake shoots from different angles to enhance the trickery. Thats why he considers Chris a "cheat"
Pretty Valid actually.

[bashi]

So he did not notice up to now that this thread is not about debunking?
Well, now we know that tin foil hats really dont work. :party:

[bashi]

LOL.....He is just reiterating it's not black magic. Not pagen or Chris Angel in cahoots with ETs. Just plain old trickery. His point with Chris is,Chris even uses his camera people to make fake shoots from different angles to enhance the trickery. Thats why he considers Chris a "cheat"
Pretty Valid actually.

So what do you think is the explanation for the removal of all the vids?

[SteveX]

High shy. i can not read Steve's post anymore. I have put them on my "Ignore list". Its the first time i used this feature.

Are there any substantial points in his post? If so, then pls list them. Don`t be shy. :peep:



Aww there there schnuckums http://www.pic4ever.com/images/anwei.gif we'll get someone else to read it for you.

[SteveX]

So what do you think is the explanation for the removal of all the vids?

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by A&E." This is what the link says.
Could it actually be possible that someone on the Intardnet violated a copy write issue? Of cause not. After they monitored this website they realized the gig was being exposed. I therefore feel compelled to take full responsibility for these video’s being removed, after I gave away Criss Angels camera tricks, digital editing and employing stooges . http://www.pic4ever.com/images/30upn9j.gif


Oh, I just thought. If Criss Angel is not using alien tech, the dark arts and black projects. If Criss Angel is nothing other than a cheating illusionist. A man that makes his living off of fooling people. Then that makes Bashi wrong with his theory about Criss Angel. And if the theory is wrong then that makes Bashi’s theory as to why the videos are deleted… irrelevant.

[shybastid]

Ok He's warlock. Happy?

[bashi]

Ok He's warlock. Happy?

YES, of course. :peace:






I see these two red bars of some banned post. I asked shy, and who answered


MAGIC MANIAC

He must have conjured again something up to throw at me. :rolleyes:


.

[lightblue]

stevex why carry on with your obstinately disdainfull posts - as in #73? you are taking some strange pleasure out of it i guess, just because bashi can't/won't see it..i'd call it cowardly..
i would have thought you'd display more self respect after all..

you made your point - whatever it is - why not move on?

that would be really good of you...thanks l :thank_you2:

[SteveX]

stevex why carry on with your obstinately disdainfull posts - as in #73? you are taking some strange pleasure out of it i guess, just because bashi can't/won't see it..i'd call it cowardly..
i would have thought you'd display more self respect after all..

you made your point - whatever it is - why not move on?

that would be really good of you...thanks l :thank_you2:


Oh man, now I gosta reply again…. to you. “disdainfull posts” You say. I beg to differ the insinuation. Do you consider your quoted post above to be exhibiting a lack of respect, rude or discourteous? That’s what disdainful means. I suspect you would say no and I would agree that, although barbed, in reality it isn’t. You are stating an opinion, which makes a point. Much the same as I have throughout this thread. So, with that in mind, to state “posts” implies I have been disdainful throughout, which I have not. By your logic countering, taking a different line or proving someone’s hypothesis doesn’t hold water, makes everybody on this forum, including you, to be acting disdainfully.

As for “cowardly,” I’d say that title belongs to your mate, for not wanting to face the facts. Would you rather he pursue a bogus theory? Putting me on ignore does little for the truth. What confounded me is Bashi, after putting me on ignore, had the nerve to ask someone else what I had said. This, what I consider to be a cop out, prompted my lighthearted smiley in #73 response.

By the way, I could have replied to Bashi’s post, the one right above yours. I was here when he posted but hey ho, twas just another taunt in my direction from behind his wall. :pound:

[lightblue]

hi stevex


Oh man, now I gosta reply again…. to you. “disdainfull posts” You say. I beg to differ the insinuation


not an insinuaton - the proof is in the line you wrote at #73...for every memberto see...you needn't respond i can guess you'll disagree...

[Ross]

hi all,

Time to play nice... please...

There is nothing here that breaches the guidelines, only opinons...take nothing personally...its a great truth.

Peace.

[Ross]

hi all,

Time to play nice... please...

There is nothing here that breaches the guidelines, only opinons...take nothing personally...its a great truth.

Peace.

[bashi]

hi all,

Time to play nice... please...

There is nothing here that breaches the guidelines, only opinons...take nothing personally...its a great truth.

Peace.

I think your are not correct,ross.

This thread is not about debunking.

The first posts on PA1 and PA2 are stating the frame of discussion:

Quote:
" i analysed some videos about Criss Angel.
By looking at them, we can of course always say that all participants were paid actors and
that its all a cheap trick and sham. But that’s not what this thread is about.
Lets assume we are looking at a real phenomena in some of these videos."

Thats the basis of the thread, and from there you start the discussion. Anybody not able to make this assumption can go elsewhere!

I made it clear again several times in the tread, with no results.

From that assumption the discussion can start, like "i dont think TPTB will choose Criss because he is too freaky to keep secrets.." or something like this.

But to try to debunk the basis of the discussion is actually destroying it to prevent it from happening. Its like posting on the thread "The sun today" a comment like "there is no sun, you are all being fooled!!!" and then arguing for long about it; repeatingly.
It is nothing more than sophisiticated TROLLING.

I have never experienced something like this in any of my threads. Together with the reaction of A&E on youtube, the question remains: Why?

My answer is that i posted a hypothesis - like a shot in the dark - and it turned out to be a VOLLEY-HIT.

Some people got very p***ed of because of that and are trying to keep the lid on as much as possible. Look up lisa`s post on this thread.


.

[shybastid]

Ross? I thought they both made their points pretty well though. I'm sorry I called Chris Angel a Warlock. VERY good Illussionist. But he's not a Warlock. (SHHHH He DOES cheat with camera's though)

[bashi]

I thought they both made their points pretty well though.

You are right.

One purpose of the thread was to point out a hidden agenda which i think it has, thanks to the inputs of A&E and SteveX.

But as the discussion is not going beyond that, i think i better call it QUITS.

So i hand the arena over to the tin foil hat crowd.

[morguana]

please bashi carry on with this thread it is very interesting, ross was just responding to reported posts (hopeing that the 2 folk that were not seeing eye to eye would calm a bit) so i hope you dont give up here with this thread, i know many have participated and are also enjoying this topic
love to you m

edit to add that i have enjoyed this thread personally thx

[shybastid]

Morguana? I thought it was kind of fun too:p

[SteveX]

hi all,

Time to play nice... please...

There is nothing here that breaches the guidelines, only opinons...take nothing personally...its a great truth.

Peace.

Thanks for seeing the reality of the situation. By that I’m not inferring you endorse my arguments. Just that you don’t see a breach. It surprises me that someone has a more biased view and clicked report.


please bashi carry on with this thread it is very interesting, ross was just responding to reported posts (hopeing that the 2 folk that were not seeing eye to eye would calm a bit) so i hope you dont give up here with this thread, i know many have participated and are also enjoying this topic
love to you m

edit to add that i have enjoyed this thread personally thx

Ever so slightly mischievous.

[3optic]

This thread is not about debunking.


That's fine but it has taken on a life of it's own and as Kahlil Gibran says, "Your children are not your children."




One purpose of the thread was to point out a hidden agenda which i think it has, thanks to the inputs of A&E and SteveX.


Well then mission accomplished. It seems it's been quite successful by your own estimation.



But as the discussion is not going beyond that, i think i better call it QUITS.


I applaud your discretion, sir!

[morguana]

sorry folks wasnt intending to be mischievous, have however enjoyed the clips etc.

[SteveX]

sorry folks wasnt intending to be mischievous, have however enjoyed the clips etc.

Bashi’s thread unfortunately is all over the shop. Inconsistent with regards to what Bashi considers the topic to be. I mentioned mischievous because, had Bashi responded, he would then have to, in the light of the evidence presented, defend a false belief. One based on incorrect inference about external reality that he firmly sustains, despite what almost everybody else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The more contemporary 'normative' conceptions is Criss Angel is incontrovertibly an illusionist which makes Bashi’s topical inference to missing vidoes, A&E and myself irrelivent. I say irrelivent in the sense that Bashi missing video theory went poof the moment Criss Angel was proven not to be able to fly or make elephants disapear.


One purpose of the thread was to point out a hidden agenda which i think it has, thanks to the inputs of A&E and SteveX.

This thread is on the same level as the one’s where videos of lens flair and a field walker were posted.
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19671&highlight=suns
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20033&highlight=tall+human

Conceptually this and the 2 threads above are untenable and that's whats been proven. I see little point in :panda: ering to the err, misguided.

[shybastid]

This is like the best tennis match EVERRRR.

From a pure fan of fare play.:der:

[SteveX]

Game set and match to Stevex :first:

[shybastid]

Funny Thread this is. I can't wait to have you and Bashi up here to Tahoe toghether Steve. I'll buy.

[TThinking]

Still funny to read.
It's in Vegas.Good entertainer.No magic involved.
(And the tunnel is in the riviera).

[bashi]

Hi,
just want to draw attention to this:
The search on youtube for "Criss Angel" has dropped from over 14000 to only 5600 within the last 12 months, since this thread started on AV1.
Here the link to it:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19685

[shybastid]

Wow... That was one of the funnest threads. No malice..Just debate with a little edge.... You really think people saw that and decided that Chris is JUST a magician?
I think his show went over the edge too many times with too much drama and people just lost interest.
Same trick...Different "Gag."
I don't think they renewed the TV Show from a ratings standpoint.

Never mind the Stage production ratings...
Of course this is just ONE reviewers take:
http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2008/9/30/16531/5374/hotels/Does_Criss_Angel_s_Cirque_du_Soleil_Show_at_the_Luxor_Really_Suck_That_Much_

We beating a dead horse here?
Kinda fun though.. AND I like Chris's shctick.:rolleyes:

[shybastid]

Oh.... Morguana,SteveX and Bashi? You people have a been fan here.:rolleyes:
I really enjoy watching you here on Avalon.. and no.. not a voyuer.
OK a little.. ;)
Hope to meet and be your friends sometime soon.

[Teakai]

I've begun to wonder if what looks to be magic - is actually magic - only we can;t comprehend that it could possibly be magic, and so we assume it's a trick.

I love this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5rJl2NAr-0

My theory is that the guy has matched his frequency to the glass and so is able to penetrate. That could be totally off the wall - but it's the best I have so far :)

I think Criss Rock is ...magical. :)

Another theory is - that the magic is how they're messing with our minds - as in some kind of mass hallucination. Cos that's been done before, right?

[shybastid]

Bashi? Read through the official version of the Show Review my friend.
Go down to the comments. OUCH:doh:

I understand your point through the thread. Bad representation for it.

Chris is Chris.. Good entertainer... Almost REAL good.

[shybastid]

:israel: Re: FREAKIN MAGIC - The veil removed
Oh.... Morguana,SteveX and Bashi? You people have a been fan here.
I really enjoy watching you here on Avalon.. and no.. not a voyuer.
OK a little..
Hope to meet and be your friends sometime soon.


I meant BIG fan... not been... :israel:

[bashi]

Bashi? Read through the official version of the Show Review my friend.
Go down to the comments. OUCH:doh:

I understand your point through the thread. Bad representation for it.

Chris is Chris.. Good entertainer... Almost REAL good.

Hi shybastid,
good to see you picking up the ball.
In fact I am serious about my former statement. Why not?

Criss Angel was picked and promoted by TPTB and with Their backing was able to perform extraordinarily. He was working within Their agenda and only God knows where it would have ended. They pulled the plug on him, falling back to the explanation of ordinary “magical” tricks. This is “plausible deniability” in action. Still they backed him with a lot of logistics, but his stunts are now only what also a mediocre illusionist could do.
This concept was never fully understood by others.

Why has Chris laid so much emphasis on the detail that the human circle has not to be opened as long as the elephant appears or disappears inside of it? Because this circle of humans will create a portal which is amplified and used by the technical gadgets of TPTB.
Have you ever wondered why this human circle is used even during ceremonies in freemasonry lodges? Are these grown up (made) men playing like in a kinder garden?
Listen again to this mp3 interview which was just recently reposted by Bill and you will understand more of what I was talking about:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13837-Reptilians-are-an-illusion&p=133604&viewfull=1#post133604

They pulled all, I repeat ALL videos, which I mentioned off the net. Often within 24 hours. I posted and the next day i saw was that they had pulled the video. Even the videos made by others, as long as it supported my argumentation.
For example see this post: The video was made to create the avenue for “plausible deniability” for the disappearing elephant. But it backfired because in it there was this statement: “This trick will not work in the open.”
I exploited this statement to further my argumentation and the reaction from A&E was: They pulled even that video!

A&E was acting throughout as if a c******l organization has been caught red handed and they now panically tried to cover the tracks at ALL costs.
What kind of media company will REDUCE the popularity of one of their stars?
These guys are experts, but they couldn’t do otherwise, because they got orders from above.
You can’t see anymore videos with the title “Chris Angel is a GOD!”.
That is now history…

This thread actually shattered the capstone of the Criss Angel pyramid and the rest was just falling apart within the last 12 months. The numbers have always supported my claim.
See here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?883-FREAKIN-MAGIC-The-veil-removed&p=7985&viewfull=1#post7985
That was 10 months ago. Today we are at only 5600 videos through the same search.

Why not claiming what is ours?
Are we not “the ones we have been waiting for” and are “taping into the limitless cosmic powers through our consciousness”?
I don’t want to sound too self-glorificating here, but why not claim a victory which is now proven to be one? Am i delusional? The pulling of the vids is reality!

Is not the e-mail from Enlightened another proof that something is changed by us and that we are also changing?

I have revived this thread also because I want to say something to you, shybastid:
Avalon will soon receive a calling. The reaction will be an outcry of egoistic, foolish and faint-hearted voices in which the few voices of reason will not be easily heard.
The silent response has to be a conscious, brave and selfless act; an active response or step. Remember that!
I think that maybe this thread had also created a small trigger within you which woke you - at the right time – and made you look over the lake…

[shybastid]

LOL Bashi.. I agree with you on a couple of points here..
Yes, I'm still "awakening" looking across the Lake, and looking inside what is written here and elswhere. That's ongoing.
I believe that you can say , as a result of things written here on Avalon , end results of outcomes have and can change. Including Chris Angels video's being taken off the web, as a result of his interchanging of religion and magic. And you DID point that out well.
I also think that his "schtick" could have also absolutly offended some PTB that said to knock it off..
Whether or not Chris has access to a "portal' of knowledge that he was exploiting for profit? Ummmmmm I thought those people were supposed to be a little more humble and quiet...
Not Vegas headliners. Or middle acts.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Criss-Angel-Magic-Tricks-Revealed

[bashi]

Whether or not Chris has access to a "portal' of knowledge that he was exploiting for profit? Ummmmmm I thought those people were supposed to be a little more humble and quiet...
Not Vegas headliners. Or middle acts.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Criss-Angel-Magic-Tricks-Revealed


Chris does not know anything about the high tech involved. They will rehearse some tricks and he will be just the stuntman in it.

The youngsters are the target group - so you adjust the strategy: You are not going anywhere today with "humble and quiet"...

[shybastid]

OK Bashi...As I mentioned in one of my first threads I ever wrote on in Avalon. I'm a nuts a bolts guy. I'm not real good at metaphors or reading between the lines. Am I at a higher level of conciousness and more aware of what's going on around me? Probably.
Gonna be called on soon for whatever? Mayyyyybe. Do I know more then anyone else about whats going down soon? No
Is something going down in the next 2 years? Yes.(I believe)
Can I create an Illusion like Blain or Angel for profit, to teach an audience they WANT to be tricked for entertainent? Not my style.
My point? I like the honesty that is trying to be projected here. No illusions. Just some levels of awareness that are not just are speculation, based on SOME facts we have to work with. We all want more facts to help us draw better conclusions to satisfy our inner self. We're not trying to beat or cheat the system. We're not Wall street types to to fool anybody on future speculation for profit.. Just want more facts with which to draw our own conclusions without deception. That's why I come here and learn.
And no, I trust no one in current government capacities or MSM. They signed contracts to not reveal anything they become aware of while in their positions...So..where else we gonna go?
Peace

[trenairio]

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[SteveX]

Just noticed this thread back again. Unfortunatly its late here and ive not much time to

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-violent083.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

I'll come back another day after the next little post of mine.

[SteveX]

I've begun to wonder if what looks to be magic - is actually magic - only we can;t comprehend that it could possibly be magic, and so we assume it's a trick.

I love this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5rJl2NAr-0

My theory is that the guy has matched his frequency to the glass and so is able to penetrate. That could be totally off the wall - but it's the best I have so far :)

I think Criss Rock is ...magical. :)

Another theory is - that the magic is how they're messing with our minds - as in some kind of mass hallucination. Cos that's been done before, right?

"matched his frequency to the glass" you say. Have you thought about someone putting the frequency of air in part of the glass? Yes / No think on that a moment then clickie linkie

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?877-Mind-over-matter&p=9177&viewfull=1#post9177



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?877-Mind-over-matter&p=9177#post9177

[daledo]

I didn't see the video Chris Angel is god but bid it go like this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTE3WmMnovY

[Lost Soul]

Walking on water? That was easy to figure out without finishing the video. In WW II, the Russians built a bridge 18" beneath a river and attacked with tanks that seemingly walked across the water.

Thanks for posting it as it was fun.

[SteveX]

Bashi? Read through the official version of the Show Review my friend.
Go down to the comments. OUCH:doh:

I understand your point through the thread. Bad representation for it.

Chris is Chris.. Good entertainer... Almost REAL good.

Hi shybastid,
good to see you picking up the ball.
In fact I am serious about my former statement. Why not?

Criss Angel was picked and promoted by TPTB and with Their backing was able to perform extraordinarily. He was working within Their agenda and only God knows where it would have ended. They pulled the plug on him, falling back to the explanation of ordinary “magical” tricks. This is “plausible deniability” in action. Still they backed him with a lot of logistics, but his stunts are now only what also a mediocre illusionist could do.

SNIPPED
Am i delusional?


This thread has been flogged, whipped, hung, drawn and quartered yet 10 month later....gawd sake! Mate you asked a question. It's like this... You dance the tune of conspiracy but X factor style the lyrics are way out of tune. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6KOHIpyL94