David Wilcock/Corey Goode Interview- Jan 2016 - Secret Space Program, ET Disclosure, Inner Earth

[WhiteLove]

I'm posting this mostly just to give you some additional information about the Corey Goode story, which is interesting but might be a fairy tale.

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DISCLAIMER: Validity highly uncertain

[Jeffedelic]

I still can't decide what to think about this whole thing. I am admittedly not as well read as I should be, but are there any corroborating stories or witnesses?

[gnostic9]

I still can't decide what to think about this whole thing. I am admittedly not as well read as I should be, but are there any corroborating stories or witnesses?


I would just like to say that i believe that nothing this guy says is real! that's all i've got to say. peace . love and joy to you all!

[Spellbound]

I find that sometimes Wilcock goes over the edge a bit. He exaggerates things and sells it as if it's doom and gloom and we are lucky to be alive. Also, Goats Head Soup was 1973, not 1972 (that was Exile On Main Street....which was a fantastic album).

Dave - Toronto

[Redstar Kachina]

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[mojo]

I would like to believe Corey could offer humanity something. Has anyone seen anything to suggest his testimony is factual? I personally haven't seen or been told one issue that could be vetted as fact. Didn't Corey say he visited Mars? Wouldn't he be able to share some aspect to that visit such as there are structures located here at these coordinates or describe some technology that is designed by ET, or tell us something about the space program that can be verified? How about a soil sample from Mars or a photo. Even Betty Hill was provided information about a star system that was later verified. My point is that if being placed in the situation that Corey claims he was I'm sure that I could find some way to prove my testimony.

[Tyy1907]

I still can't decide what to think about this whole thing. I am admittedly not as well read as I should be, but are there any corroborating stories or witnesses?

Tolec is a corroborating contactee. He says the Andromeda s he's in contact with are connected to the sphere alliance that Corey talks about. Julien Wells - a Pleiadian contactee- has said that his contacts consider Corey Goode as the real deal.

I gotta say though that David Wilcock annoys the **** out of me.

[Bill Ryan]

Tolec is a corroborating contactee. He says the Andromeda s he's in contact with are connected to the sphere alliance that Corey talks about. Julien Wells - a Pleiadian contactee- has said that his contacts consider Corey Goode as the real deal.



Very gently, and not unkindly: I'd suggest that — academically speaking, and from a research/verification standpoint — that means exactly nothing.

[Bill Ryan]

My point is that if being placed in the situation that Corey claims he was I'm sure that I could find some way to prove my testimony.

Yes. Visiting a competent, qualified regression therapist would be a good start, with sessions recorded and transcribed.

That'd be really easy to do (and would make for a compelling TV episode!), but he's never once done that. (Many contactees and abductees have, of course. That very greatly supports their credibility.)

Back in September/October 2014, when his conversations with Christine at his house were first recorded (and contrary to what Corey claims, there was absolutely no pressure on him to go public, just encouragement and support), Corey had very limited memory of just about everything. He had just enough personal information to share for no more than a couple of hours of edited audio.

Now, he presents literally dozens of hours of detailed information about stuff he never once mentioned, or seemed to know about, back when he first went on record.

Where did all that come from? Corey's not saying. That's pretty important for any researcher to know, as part of the due diligence.

No serious researchers are giving this any time at all apart from Wilcock and Michael Salla. Not one other. On the contrary, many are politely but privately scathing.

I consider Michael Salla a friend (I met him a few times, and he's a good man who always means well), and I wrote to him offering more background information about Corey. I told him, privately, I was concerned he was compromising his own good reputation.

Although Michael is a trained academic, and should be collecting data of every kind as routine, he did NOT want to know more about anything I was offering to share.

Coming from a researcher, that was a little hard to understand. He replied [my paraphrase] that he was committed to Corey's story, and wasn't going to turn back. That sounded to me more like an emotional stance than a cautious, research-based, professional one.

In my personal opinion, that may not have been very wise, and I do think he may come to regret that later when the entire thing implodes, as it well might. It may be impossible to disprove, but just as impossible to verify — and as such it has the same kind of provenance as any of the many contactee books published in the 1950s.

They're interesting and entertaining, but they're almost all 100% unverifiable — and taken together en masse, contain a lot of contradictions... meaning, they just can't all be correct, as they often state or claim very different things.

What that means is that this entire tangle of personal, subjective reports is of little use to any serious researchers... and the CIA (or whichever agency owns the remit to confuse the amateur UFO community) is no doubt delighted.

They don't even have to confuse us themselves (and that's assuming none of the bad information is planted)... we're doing a perfectly fine job unaided.

:)

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[Clear Light]

Hmmm ... I wonder if perhaps Corey wouldn't mind having a video camera set up the next time he is about to travel with the assistance of his "little blue sphere / orb" friends ?

Cosmic Disclosure: New Frontiers in the A.I. War (Season 2, Episode 16) (http://www.spherebeingalliance.com/print.php?news.83) (28 Dec 2015)


DW: Could you just again briefly describe what happens?

CG: In my room, a blue little sphere, orb, comes into the room and zips around until I acknowledge it and let it know that I'm ready to be transported.

DW: So you get out of bed or get dressed?

CG: Get out of bed, get dressed, whatever needs-- for that occasion. And then it zips to about 18 inches from my chest, stops, and then in the twinkling of an eye, expands to where I am now inside of it and I am floating directly in the center of it. And then it shoots through the wall and off into space into one of the giant blue spheres where either one or three of the Blue Avians is waiting for me-- unless it takes me to another location, but in this instance that's where it took me

Joint SSP, Sphere Alliance & ICC Leadership Conference & Tour of Mars Colony (http://www.spherebeingalliance.com/print.php?news.28) (22 Jun 2015)


It wasn’t a minute later that we saw our blue/indigo orb friends zipping through the walls of the cell, one for each of us. They danced around for a couple seconds and the other SSP personnel who had never traveled this way backed against the wall. Gonzales explained how the transportation works and then we each followed the SOP and were soon back at the LOC room where I was transported at the beginning of this journey


Soon enough the blue/indigo orb zipped into the room and transported me back to the same point in the living room that I had been picked up from. As usual only a few minutes had passed local time and I tried to go back to bed to sleep. I really had a lot racing through my head at that point so I laid in bed staring at the ceiling and finally got up and did a small update on Facebook and gave David Wilcock a small update on Skype. I then began to type out the details of the conference so that I would have them outlined for this longer report

Unless of course there's some sort of interference / local disruption which would prevent such a recording taking place :confused:

[Rha S ananda]

here is where i see the problem..
Inelia benz is supported...
Corey isnt...

does the 1st one... have a scientific validated backtracked transcribed record of claims. no yet...

but i know based on Scientology rating/scores my voice isnt worth much.. me not enough UPSTAT, ... http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83133-The-Corey-Goode-affair-various-updates-from-David-Wilcock&p=977226&viewfull=1#post977226 and onwards postings :RE:


@Clear Blue Skies -> http://spherebeingalliance.com/faqs#faq_393

#77 Can you set up a camera in your bedroom to record your disappearing via the Orb? Would be some serious evidence in favour of your testimony.

Sure, however, it will not convince anyone of anything. I have been told that nothing I present cannot be done in "After Effects" or other software. Seeing pictures/video is not believing. They can be manipulated. You cannot even believe what you see on live TV News anymore. You can only truly trust your own personal experiences when coupled with discernment. The problem right now is not getting proof. It is preparing yourself for when you are under an avalanche of proof that is extremely troubling and disturbing in nature. This is what I am trying to prepare people for as well as providing the BA Message to also have people focus on self evolution of mind and spirit. We will not be able to tolerate the information we receive or the change in the background energy/resonance if we do not prepare ourselves in these ways.

True discernment is more than bending someone to producing video/photo's that will get more visitors to their site. This is not about "site hits". If at some point the SSP wants to start appearing in front of live tv camera's like they already have live NASA ISS feeds then that is up to them. Even these live NASA ISS feeds have been heavily debated is circular debates in forums.

or folks demanding proof silver platter... mentality cause only when demands... are met... they continue.. to find a next issue to demand proof of. yet proof is in the eye of the beholder/experiencer...

same my personal experience says its D.W misconception and view re thoth and superempose it onto the case now. yet its not related but when the SUM is incorrect the answer always is wrong, and thats the case of D.W pushing his beliefsystem onto the events talked of now. and not C.G speaking saying it...nope

[TargeT]

here is where i see the problem..
Inelia benz is supported...
Corey isnt...


Corey doesn't come off as very authentic.

He and I both work (past tense for him) in/with military intelligence & he said quite a few things that didn't "jive" with me (granted he was airforce and I army, but the two branches aren't that much different).

Corey didn't vet his own material very well, he contradicted himself in ways that are inconsistent with his narrative & as I said, he just didn't seem very authentic.

I don't know anything about Inelia Benz, Ive seen the name before but honestly people "like that" rarely get my attention; Corey only did because of our shared military experience.



or folks demanding proof silver platter... mentality cause only when demands... are met... they continue.. to find a next issue to demand proof of. yet proof is in the eye of the beholder/experiencer...

oh come now, certainly this cannot be at all suprising to you...

The public has been lied to about nearly every imaginable topic, of COURSE some guy with fantastical stories is going to be asked for proof.....

if they didn't ask for proof and just went along with it (Keshe anyone?) I'd be highly suspect...

questioning is good, nothing is above question, ever.

Question Everything, Always.

[Clear Light]

@Clear Blue Skies -> http://spherebeingalliance.com/faqs#faq_393

#77 Can you set up a camera in your bedroom to record your disappearing via the Orb? Would be some serious evidence in favour of your testimony.

Sure, however, it will not convince anyone of anything. I have been told that nothing I present cannot be done in "After Effects" or other software. Seeing pictures/video is not believing. They can be manipulated. You cannot even believe what you see on live TV News anymore. You can only truly trust your own personal experiences when coupled with discernment. The problem right now is not getting proof. It is preparing yourself for when you are under an avalanche of proof that is extremely troubling and disturbing in nature. This is what I am trying to prepare people for as well as providing the BA Message to also have people focus on self evolution of mind and spirit. We will not be able to tolerate the information we receive or the change in the background energy/resonance if we do not prepare ourselves in these ways.

True discernment is more than bending someone to producing video/photo's that will get more visitors to their site. This is not about "site hits". If at some point the SSP wants to start appearing in front of live tv camera's like they already have live NASA ISS feeds then that is up to them. Even these live NASA ISS feeds have been heavily debated is circular debates in forums.



Ha ! That's such a neat "Side-step" avoiding all responsibility for actually DO-ing it :bigsmile:

[I think it's called "Deflection" as in a Psychological Strategy]

[Rha S ananda]

side-note @Clear Blue Skies : your avatar isn't a positive frequency... at all...
(so ill put that one to "addblockPlus" block list, same as i did with http://sitsshow.blogspot.nl/ banner and background made it way better.... frequency wise... more restfull...

so think what your emitting onto others.... (avatar..) its actually harmful.. and thats no deflection me doing ;) its corrective clarity.. ;) and after study(you if choose to) and a scientific angle looked at it all, one can come to ones own conclusion.. or as some do remain in denial. or and continue onward as nothing happend lalalala cumbaya


This is what is commonly reffered to as the:
Flower of Life, AKA: theDaisy of Death http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/2012/05/this-is-what-is-commonly-reffered-to-as_2252.html
Metatronic 'Flower Of Life' Deception - http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/2013/06/metatronic-flower-of-life-deception.html

of these 2 the website host QUIT/stopped service.. so all blogs incl Ash grimshaw's them2 down below ) i made P1 available P2 ill do later this day(done)
EDITED:

The Flower of Life & Tree of Life Deception - Arsill Crypts - Expanding Out (P1)
http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/p/by-arsillcrypts-2013-06-05-211636.html

FOL Deception Pt.2 - Arsill Crypts - Expanding Out
http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/p/fol-deception-pt.html

[Clear Light]

so think what your emitting onto others.... (avatar..) its actually harmfull.. and thats no deflection me doing ;) its corrective clarity.. ;) and after study(you if choose to) and scientific angle looked at it all, one can come to ones own conclusion.. or as some do remain in denial. or and continue onwards as nothing happend lalalala cumbaya

Oh, please don't take my comment personally, it wasn't directed at "YOU" ...

[TargeT]

This is what is commonly reffered to as the Flower of Life, AKA: theDaisy of Death http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/2012/05/this-is-what-is-commonly-reffered-to-as_2252.html
Metatronic 'Flower Of Life' Deception - http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/2013/06/metatronic-flower-of-life-deception.html

of these 2 the website host QUIT/stopped service.. so all blogs incl Ash grimshaw's them2 down below ) i made P1 available P2 ill do later this day
Flower of Life Deception - Arsill Crypts - Expanding Out http://arsillcrypts.blog.co.uk/2013/06/05/flower-of-life-deception-16093962/ Recovered Article Rehosted/-posted http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/p/by-arsillcrypts-2013-06-05-211636.html


Interesting, I've never heard anything negative about the "flower of life"...though it seems to be a representation of the tetragrammaton (aka abrahamic "god") so I guess that could be a bad thing... haha


I cannot get to those websites you linked (military networks block a lot, but not avalon.. haha), care to post a summary here?

[Bill Ryan]

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Please! :)

:focus:

[Bill Ryan]

here is where i see the problem..
Inelia benz is supported...
Corey isnt...

does the 1st one... have a scientific validated backtracked transcribed record of claims. no yet...


When I interviewed Inelia, we deliberately EXCLUDED a number of extraordinary personal anecdotes from the video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w)... because that wasn't the point of the interview. It was never meant to be a magic show.

Any personal development coach/leader of any ability at all (including any Buddhist or Hindu Master) knows that magic tricks are just a distraction. They're never the goal of spiritual development.

Inelia does have quite a range of genuine psychic ability (though she lost some of that when she was younger) — and I witnessed some of it at first hand. The more extraordinary personal stories she shared with me, I don't think have ever been told publicly.

Inelia's mission is teaching, coaching, inspiration, and personal development. Corey's is different.

[DeDukshyn]

here is where i see the problem..
Inelia benz is supported...
Corey isnt...
...

Corey was a member here for many years, and I believe even had a short stint as a mod. Many of us are basing our evaluations of Corey after years of really being able to see who he was and how he worked. His time here was a bit of a character confession. Many of us are basing our level of "support" on this intimate understanding of him, and this has far more "real" value than the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Corey hurt and attacked many people on this forum, Bill included.

Inelia Benz is also a fellow member of Avalon (although no longer active) and has none of these qualities that cause our "general" evaluations of Corey and resultant lack of "support", there is NO comparison when it comes to showing our support for the reasons we have. Perhaps you have not been on Avalon long enough to understand this.

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi Rha S ananda can you post what you know in a PO of it's own.

This is what is commonly reffered to as the Flower of Life, AKA: theDaisy of Death

Give it an easy to search name something like:

'Flower of Life the Daisy of Death'

Sorry, back to topic!

In relation to visits to Mars, do they have a Mars Jump Chair?

If yes: there is a Mars setalment, certain people could go and come back!

I'm not saying that Mr Corey Goode has done such but could have (if tech is real)
I believe in the 'Jump-Chair'
But as far as I know, you would have to go by ship first to install a chair at the distant end (Mars)

And one of Mr Corey Goode's claims was that he him self was a 'Jump-Gate' or able to open one?

[Chester]

I still can't decide what to think about this whole thing. I am admittedly not as well read as I should be, but are there any corroborating stories or witnesses?

My opinion only -

These videos are some of the steps of the formula

That formula is:

Step 1 - Scare the hell out of the interested, the vulnerable

Step 2 - Work to establish yourself as a provider of information that only "you" can access which is relevant to the areas of interest you have raised through your fear porn.

Step 3 - Addict readers and viewers to your intel drip feed.

Step 4 - Now that you have them hooked, sell them... which includes the selling of false hope.

Step 5 - Repeat this process until the target wakes up or goes broke.

All along the way, constantly troll for new vulnerables.


It appears videos like the one above fit right in with a few of these steps.

Realize both of these folks need each other to be who they are. They certainly realize it.

[Chester]

My point is that if being placed in the situation that Corey claims he was I'm sure that I could find some way to prove my testimony.

IMO this should apply to any and all who bring forth fantastical stories/experiences that in any way (purportedly unwittingly or actually wittingly) finds its way into the public domain.

[Pam]

I still can't decide what to think about this whole thing. I am admittedly not as well read as I should be, but are there any corroborating stories or witnesses?

My opinion only -

These videos are some of the steps of the formula

That formula is:

Step 1 - Scare the hell out of the interested, the vulnerable

Step 2 - Work to establish yourself as a provider of information that only "you" can access which is relevant to the areas of interest you have raised through your fear porn.

Step 3 - Addict readers and viewers to your intel drip feed.

Step 4 - Now that you have them hooked, sell them... which includes the selling of false hope.

Step 5 - Repeat this process until the target wakes up or goes broke.

All along the way, constantly troll for new vulnerables.


It appears videos like the one above fit right in with a few of these steps.

Realize both of these folks need each other to be who they are. They certainly realize it.


Great assessment , Sam. I would add one thing : emphasize the need for "donations" to keep information coming.

[Chester]

Note: There are cases of this where there is no monitization (or at least none yet).

IMO it is important not to think that just because there has yet to be any monitization, this must mean the information is the truth. And even in cases where the story teller believes they are truthful, with the mind influencing technology possibilities well documented... this just multiplies exponentially the ability for fakes to get easy, quick recognition in the environment of today.

Some of these folks seem to have such a need for relevancy at the level of a worldwide stage where they count views, hits, posts to their facebook, comments to their blogs and youtubes, etc. and that this count is the very sustenance they are seeking.

When we have the combination of personality proclivities of:

narcissism

megalomania

messianic complex

the ability to lie pathologically

sociopathic tendencies

then we have the fertile ground from which one of these folks spring.

As Bill pointed out with is examples from the 50s... look at all those who exploit a new meme?

Now, add in the ease of exposure one has access to now with the internet, Youtube, blog templates and blog hosting facilities and the social medias of Facebook, Twitter and the like and all one has to do is make the time and effort and have a reasonably interesting story (perhaps with new twists) and if they have the ability to see from previous examples the pitfalls prior frauds have succumbed to, they can incorporate into their story the plugs such that these errors might be avoided.

Just the internet alone has facilitated this genre massively just like it did for porn, online gaming (both recreational and gambling) and it all makes sense that it would.

Note: all my posts in this thread are coming from Sam Hunter, a recovering believaholic.

[jms2112]

This whole Corey bashing is bizarre to me. I have watched all of the videos on Gaia and he seems like the real deal. How could anyone make that all up? There are like 20 videos out now and more coming. People here seem to have a chip on their shoulder with him. The more Corey talks, the more it should be clear that what he is saying is true but there doesn't seem to be any reevaluation of opinions based on that. I have heard people say that just because he is still alive he is obviously not telling the truth. The fact is we don't know but the more he talks, the more it looks like he knows what he is talking about. I'll admit I'm new to this stuff so that makes me definitely NOT an expert, but maybe that's a good thing too. I have no history to cloud my judgment.

Cheers, Jim

[Rha S ananda]

@Clear Blue Skies : i know it wasnt personal... but your image did catch my eye,,, in a no good way.. thus was reminded... to show/share.... once again.. (its also been talked on this website and linked to via others)

@Target ill send you a link/htm



here is where i see the problem..
Inelia benz is supported...
Corey isnt...
...

Corey was a member here for many years, and I believe even had a short stint as a mod. Many of us are basing our evaluations of Corey after years of really being able to see who he was and how he worked. His time here was a bit of a character confession. Many of us are basing our level of "support" on this intimate understanding of him, and this has far more "real" value than the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Corey hurt and attacked many people on this forum, Bill included.

Inelia Benz is also a fellow member of Avalon (although no longer active) and has none of these qualities that cause our "general" evaluations of Corey and resultant lack of "support", there is NO comparison when it comes to showing our support for the reasons we have. Perhaps you have not been on Avalon long enough to understand this.

perhaps.. not, know/read/etc AV from before 2010....onwards. so don't underestimate my understanding based on current stats ~ UPSTAT>l

[Flash]

This whole Corey bashing is bizarre to me. I have watched all of the videos on Gaia and he seems like the real deal. How could anyone make that all up? There are like 20 videos out now and more coming. People here seem to have a chip on their shoulder with him. The more Corey talks, the more it should be clear that what he is saying is true but there doesn't seem to be any reevaluation of opinions based on that. I have heard people say that just because he is still alive he is obviously not telling the truth. The fact is we don't know but the more he talks, the more it looks like he knows what he is talking about. I'll admit I'm new to this stuff so that makes me definitely NOT an expert, but maybe that's a good thing too. I have no history to cloud my judgment.

Cheers, Jim

No chips Jim, just lots of bashing on the other side (from Corey) against this forum. That is all.

[DeDukshyn]

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Great assessment , Sam. I would add one thing : emphasize the need for "donations" to keep information coming.

And don't forget selling mugs and such, possibly health supplements too ... (sorry Alex J -- that was a poor maneuver)

Looks like I'm off topic again ...

[DeDukshyn]

@Clear Blue Skies : i know it wasnt personal... but your image did catch my eye,,, in a no good way.. thus was reminded... to show/share.... once again.. (its also been talked on this website and linked to via others)

@Target ill send you a link/htm



here is where i see the problem..
Inelia benz is supported...
Corey isnt...
...

Corey was a member here for many years, and I believe even had a short stint as a mod. Many of us are basing our evaluations of Corey after years of really being able to see who he was and how he worked. His time here was a bit of a character confession. Many of us are basing our level of "support" on this intimate understanding of him, and this has far more "real" value than the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Corey hurt and attacked many people on this forum, Bill included.

Inelia Benz is also a fellow member of Avalon (although no longer active) and has none of these qualities that cause our "general" evaluations of Corey and resultant lack of "support", there is NO comparison when it comes to showing our support for the reasons we have. Perhaps you have not been on Avalon long enough to understand this.

perhaps.. not, know/read/etc AV from before 2010....onwards. so don't underestimate my understanding based on current stats ~ UPSTAT>l

That is not the same as having 1st hand hand feedback from carrying on specific discussions with him. Perhaps if you had, who knows, you may have been one of the ones who incurred baseless attacks from him, then you might have some of that "intimate" understanding which I refer to. Standing in the bleachers observing the players isn't the same as being in the game with said players.

[Matthew]

I've spammed it before and I'll spam it again, the Sphere Being Alliance logo reminds me of the UN flag too much for me to buy into the show. I'm thankful to Robin who first posted it on the forum.

http://rlv.zcache.com/svc/getimage?id=D56F5608-1840-4388-974E-A65ED0F30271&max_dim=150&square_it=false&bg=00000000&image_type=png&square_it=fillhttps://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR0Gl8YzYIw5-So20_9LXLZwwKVcSxVtnOyKQ5HhUiw8eCOVGRPag



In that light Sam Hunters 'Step 2' here..


...

Step 2 - Work to establish yourself as a provider of information that only "you" can access which is relevant to the areas of interest you have raised through your fear porn.

...


combined with the Sphere Being Alliance saying we will get full disclosure as a big data dump. Who is giving us the big definative data dump disclosure? Something with the UN flag?

[OMG]

My point is that if being placed in the situation that Corey claims he was I'm sure that I could find some way to prove my testimony.

Yes. Visiting a competent, qualified regression therapist would be a good start, with sessions recorded and transcribed.

That'd be really easy to do (and would make for a compelling TV episode!), but he's never once done that. (Many contactees and abductees have, of course. That very greatly supports their credibility.)

Back in September/October 2014, when his conversations with Christine at his house were first recorded (and contrary to what Corey claims, there was absolutely no pressure on him to go public, just encouragement and support), Corey had very limited memory of just about everything. He had just enough personal information to share for no more than a couple of hours of edited audio.

Now, he presents literally dozens of hours of detailed information about stuff he never once mentioned, or seemed to know about, back when he first went on record.

Where did all that come from? Corey's not saying. That's pretty important for any researcher to know, as part of the due diligence.

No serious researchers are giving this any time at all apart from Wilcock and Michael Salla. Not one other. On the contrary, many are politely but privately scathing.

I consider Michael Salla a friend (I met him a few times, and he's a good man who always means well), and I wrote to him offering more background information about Corey. I told him, privately, I was concerned he was compromising his own good reputation.

Although Michael is a trained academic, and should be collecting data of every kind as routine, he did NOT want to know more about anything I was offering to share.

Coming from a researcher, that was a little hard to understand. He replied [my paraphrase] that he was committed to Corey's story, and wasn't going to turn back. That sounded to me more like an emotional stance than a cautious, research-based, professional one.

In my personal opinion, that may not have been very wise, and I do think he may come to regret that later when the entire thing implodes, as it well might. It may be impossible to disprove, but just as impossible to verify — and as such it has the same kind of provenance as any of the many contactee books published in the 1950s.

They're interesting and entertaining, but they're almost all 100% unverifiable — and taken together en masse, contain a lot of contradictions... meaning, they just can't all be correct, as they often state or claim very different things.

What that means is that this entire tangle of personal, subjective reports is of little use to any serious researchers... and the CIA (or whichever agency owns the remit to confuse the amateur UFO community) is no doubt delighted.

They don't even have to confuse us themselves (and that's assuming none of the bad information is planted)... we're doing a perfectly fine job unaided.

:)

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Bill,

Since you personally know Wilcock have you tried to make recent contact with him about your views regarding Corey, proof, etc?

I tend to think Wilcock gets worked up on certain beliefs/things and therefore comes to wrong conclusions. But I'd be interested in what he might share with YOU that could shed light on his devotion to Corey and related issues.

:)

[DeDukshyn]

... trim ...

I tend to think Wilcock gets worked up on certain beliefs/things and therefore comes to wrong conclusions. But I'd be interested in what he might share with YOU that could shed light on his devotion to Corey and related issues.

:)



Here's my unsolicited 2 cents ...

I like David's books (at least the one of them that I read); well done and he does do some good research and dot connecting. There's no argument from me there.

But let's look at Wilcock's track record on hooking up with "pseudo-celebrities" of the "alternative truth" ilk, shall we? ... not so good, and Corey fits perfectly with that history, which is unfortunate ... They seem to be sent to David ... which is interesting in itself.

[Tyy1907]

Tolec is a corroborating contactee. He says the Andromeda s he's in contact with are connected to the sphere alliance that Corey talks about. Julien Wells - a Pleiadian contactee- has said that his contacts consider Corey Goode as the real deal.



Very gently, and not unkindly: I'd suggest that — academically speaking, and from a research/verification standpoint — that means exactly nothing.

I was answering this fellas question with 2 corroborating contactees that support Corys claims. Either it'll resonate with him or it won't. Each to their own.

[DeDukshyn]

side-note @Clear Blue Skies : your avatar isn't a positive frequency... at all...
(so ill put that one to "addblockPlus" block list, same as i did with http://sitsshow.blogspot.nl/ banner and background made it way better.... frequency wise... more restfull...

so think what your emitting onto others.... (avatar..) its actually harmful.. and thats no deflection me doing ;) its corrective clarity.. ;) and after study(you if choose to) and a scientific angle looked at it all, one can come to ones own conclusion.. or as some do remain in denial. or and continue onward as nothing happend lalalala cumbaya


This is what is commonly reffered to as the:
Flower of Life, AKA: theDaisy of Death http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/2012/05/this-is-what-is-commonly-reffered-to-as_2252.html
Metatronic 'Flower Of Life' Deception - http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/2013/06/metatronic-flower-of-life-deception.html

of these 2 the website host QUIT/stopped service.. so all blogs incl Ash grimshaw's them2 down below ) i made P1 available P2 ill do later this day(done)
EDITED:

The Flower of Life & Tree of Life Deception - Arsill Crypts - Expanding Out (P1)
http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/p/by-arsillcrypts-2013-06-05-211636.html

FOL Deception Pt.2 - Arsill Crypts - Expanding Out
http://www.emeraldguardians.nl.eu.org/p/fol-deception-pt.html

Do you have other original sources for this perspective (for my own research purposes)? BTW the original links were still working.

Not sure what people are expecting the "flower of life" to be for them. It has nothing to do with all that "religious" "good vs evil" crap. It is a metaphorical message that indicates how Creation has been pulled from Source. Some may interpret this as "bad" and some may try to imply the "good" of the symbol, but both views play into the "good" vs "evil" illusion, and is thus emotionally charged. The only purpose of applying "charged emotions" to an otherwise inert metaphor, is to sway opinion with those emotions, thus drawing you into the "good" vs "evil" game, and all subsequent conclusions based from that illusion. You can't get to understanding the reality of creation without letting all that crap go. From there, one can begin to understand what "reality" and "Creation" really are.

The idea that the two main forces within creation are "good" and "evil" (as opposed to two opposite mechanical forces of union and separation that require intermingling for any and all creation to occur), have only ever been presented as A) possibly originally as only metaphor in an attempt to describe the ineffable in the minds of men and then, "lost in translation", or B) done purposely to obfuscate man's understanding of reality and its creation by injecting emotional response that plays on automated fear of "evil" via worldwide cultural programming. If the latter, well planned! It worked perfectly!

This force of separation is not more "evil" than a negative electrical charge; Evil can only exists within a mind, and where the forces of separation, due to "proximity to influence" have had an undesirable effect on said consciousness, that causes it to lose intimate and clear "union" or connectivity, to the larger "dream" construct. This atrophied perspective on the influenced mind causes it to be active without being able to refresh in a larger and much more clear view, and thus develops "reasoning" based on that incomplete view -- this is the beginning of what we refer to as "evil", and was the process referred to that caused "The Fall of Man" as well as what caused the fall of the Angels.

Shame on you Clear Blue -- you have been emitting pure evil at me!! I already feel like a lesser soul! I'm joking out loud of course ... :)

Here I am way off topic again ... I best stay off this thread ... ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

Corey was a member here for many years, and I believe even had a short stint as a mod.
Corey (GoodETxSG) was never a mod here.

[DeDukshyn]

Corey was a member here for many years, and I believe even had a short stint as a mod.
Corey (GoodETxSG) was never a mod here.

Thanks for the clarification, I had that info 3rd party from another member's post. I should have stated that.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Shannon]

This whole Corey bashing is bizarre to me. I have watched all of the videos on Gaia and he seems like the real deal. How could anyone make that all up? There are like 20 videos out now and more coming. People here seem to have a chip on their shoulder with him. The more Corey talks, the more it should be clear that what he is saying is true but there doesn't seem to be any reevaluation of opinions based on that. I have heard people say that just because he is still alive he is obviously not telling the truth. The fact is we don't know but the more he talks, the more it looks like he knows what he is talking about. I'll admit I'm new to this stuff so that makes me definitely NOT an expert, but maybe that's a good thing too. I have no history to cloud my judgment.

Cheers, Jim

Are you kidding me? How could anyone make that up? I could make it up. I could make up a bunch of cool and far out stories, it's creative writing, having an imagination.
Corey has done his fair share of bashing and I don't see a whole lot of that going on here towards him, people just don't buy his bull.

I have noticed that when Corey gives interviews sometimes he sounds so unsure and is choosing his words very carefully. He's doing this because he is an inch away from blowing his whole scam. He needs people to stick up for him and back him up or he explodes in anger like any liar who gets caught.

[Chester]

Tolec is a corroborating contactee. He says the Andromeda s he's in contact with are connected to the sphere alliance that Corey talks about. Julien Wells - a Pleiadian contactee- has said that his contacts consider Corey Goode as the real deal.



Very gently, and not unkindly: I'd suggest that — academically speaking, and from a research/verification standpoint — that means exactly nothing.

I was answering this fellas question with 2 corroborating contactees that support Corys claims. Either it'll resonate with him or it won't. Each to their own.

"Corroborating contactess" are another important part of the game I call "Membership in the mutual verification club."

Its sorta, "If you scratch my back, I'll scratch your back too."

I recall specifically when Corey was all after Simon Parks. Then one day Simon said something to the effect that the "blue avians" exist. It was less than 24 hours later Corey posts on another forum the interview and boasted about Simon verifying these bird aliens.

The post was later taken down but screen shots still exist along with the previous "anti-Simon" materials.

[6pounder]

Sam I'd love to see some anti-simon material. Could you share some links with me? I'm a supporter of his work and ide love to see the other side of the coin.

[Karpos]

If it's anti-simon material from Goode, I think he once said that the "light is a trap" meme was a psyop being promulgated by Simon and others. Beyond that Goode might have had a hand in circulating allegations of Simon's sexual misconduct. I don't know, but I'd be interested in hearing what Goode said about Simon back then. It appears to me they are both in the same club now. Probably end up speaking at the same conference some day.

[Valley]

What about Jay Weidner and Oliver Stone's son, Sean Stone?... Stone, here seems pretty serious, but Weidner appears to be more on the 'jolly' side :)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9KH3Q1UZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63b2u2GHXqM
Peace...


No serious researchers are giving this any time at all apart from Wilcock and Michael Salla.

[Karpos]

There is a whole Secret Space Program (https://authenticmentoring.wordpress.com/2014/08/04/how-many-whistle-blowers-does-it-take-to-expose-the-secret-space-program/) speaker/writer circuit that ignores Goode until recently with Jay and now Laura Eisenhower contacted Goode and wants to meet up at the Conscious Life Expo (http://www.consciouslifeexpo.com/navigation/welcome.html). So Goode might actually get in with the big boys, back patters who make a living selling their empty wares.
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Oh my listen to this from Corey's blurb (http://www.consciouslifeexpo.com/2016-expo/workshop-folder/corey-wilcock.html) on the CLexpo page:


Corey’s Cosmic Disclosure show with David has a higher viewership than CNN, and is heralded as the greatest breakthrough of new information to come along in the UFO field since the original Disclosure Project in 2001.

That can't be true.

[Daozen]

Step 3 - Addict readers and viewers to your intel drip feed.



Intel Drip Feed is © Daozen. Carry on.

[Bill Ryan]

What about Jay Weidner and Oliver Stone's son, Sean Stone?... Stone, here seems pretty serious, but Weidner appears to be more on the 'jolly' side :)...


No serious researchers are giving this any time at all apart from Wilcock and Michael Salla.

Jay Weidner is a serious researcher, yes. I have a lot of respect for him.

He does have an interest in this, as it were, as he's a Gaia executive. Gaia have 'invested' in Corey pretty heavily. Whatever Jay's personal thoughts or misgivings, if he has any, he can hardly voice them. That's a kind of problem.

Sean Stone is comparatively new in the field, and got his start from Jesse Ventura's 'Conspiracy Theory' in 2012 (season 3). He learned fast, but isn't a researcher in that same sense, and (like many others, and not a crime!) is a professional media host, and has also acted in a number of Hollywood films (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0832165/).

Do note that hosting a radio or TV show, the success of which is driven by very different criteria, and being a serious researcher, are two very different things!

Do also see Sean Stone's Wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Stone)... there was a lot of stuff there I didn't know. (Like this... note that though I think he's sincere in his alternative media interests, Sean Stone is primarily a businessman with focus on his career.)
Stone sits on the Board of Advisors for the company MindShare Ventures Group based in New York City. The company is involved in several business areas, including entertainment, commodities, healthcare, real estate, tech and venture capital. He was invited to the Board in 2013 by Founder and Chairman, Ali Naqvi.

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Bill,

Since you personally know Wilcock have you tried to make recent contact with him about your views regarding Corey, proof, etc?

I tend to think Wilcock gets worked up on certain beliefs/things and therefore comes to wrong conclusions. But I'd be interested in what he might share with YOU that could shed light on his devotion to Corey and related issues.



I wrote to David at some length with my detailed misgivings and concerns (back in May last year, 2015), and he never replied.

I wrote to Michael Salla in August and again in October, and each time he was kind enough to send me a very courteous reply. He said (as in my earlier post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88315-David-Wilcock-Corey-Goode-Interview-Jan-2016-Secret-Space-Program-ET-Disclosure-Inner-Earth&p=1039281&highlight=salla#post1039281)) that he was 'committed'.

I think it's fine to quote this here. Earlier, I'd paraphrased his comment, but this is exactly what he wrote. (Do note that this is a short extract in the context of a very full reply)

I take your warning as a caution from a friend, but I'm fully committed and there's no turning back.That's a very fair, honest and accurate personal statement of his position.

[Pam]

Let's say for the sake or debate that Corey's presentations are for the most part factual...now what? What am I supposed to do beyond that I am already doing to pay the bills, satisfy my boss at work, etc. My everyday life doesn't change. I embrace techniques to maximize personal empowerment. The world will eventually change for the better, be it as outlined by Corey, or through a more disruptive process involving Planet X, earth changes, etc. Are people closer to each other now that Corey and Wilcock have spoken? Perhaps, but events in the Middle East and elsewhere certainly suggest that the situation on the planet is deteriorating. By observing from third-person perspective, a careful observer would probably realize that both realities are unfolding simultaneously, which may seem to serve as a contradictory statement. Allow the nebulous confusion to be there due to the inability to conclusively prove most of what is presented by Corey and Wilcock. Just because something cannot be proven does not make it false...nor does it make the content of their presentations correct. Rather, ask 'how will exposure to this experience of Corey and Wilcock help me fulfill my life's purpose?' In my life, it has virtually no impact whatsoever, suggesting that there is not as much valid content in their presentation as Corey and Wilcock would lead you to believe.


I think you hit the old proverbial nail on the head. How does this information, true or false, have any relevance to everyday life? Sure, it can act as a sort of mind candy, or a diversion from life, but other then that how can anyone use this information in their lives?

In my assessment it is akin to The National Enquirer of Alternative Media.
I really do find it sad that David Wilcock was willing to go that route, just to stay in the public eye.

[Chester]

Sam I'd love to see some anti-simon material. Could you share some links with me? I'm a supporter of his work and ide love to see the other side of the coin.

Sadly, there has been a major whitewash of just about everything I have ever seen publicly displayed which all occurred at one particular other forum. And except for a few gems still found here on the Avalon forum - specifically a lengthy post made by spaceman a year and a half ago or so which essentially called the Law of One material satanic (or it might have been "luciferic"), unless you had seen these posts - especially story changes or view changes - in real time as the stories unfolded, likely the impact now would be far less. As to that Law of One post - it is likely still here. I do not keep a dossier on the public trail of significant story changes or significantly material view shifts.

As for my specific reference regarding Simon, I have a personal story which (if spaceman's memory is intact) is known and indisputable along with the still available documentation and trail of statements, e-mails and PMs that, IMO, if any unbiased third party had read and then saw the public post I mentioned above (where there is boasting that Simon verifies the "blue avians") it is my opinion that the unbiased third party would immediately conclude that the motives of the spaceman in telling his stories have nothing to do with dissemination of truth and more likely to do with satisfying many of the likely needs found in my list in my post above. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88315-David-Wilcock-Corey-Goode-Interview-Jan-2016-Secret-Space-Program-ET-Disclosure-Inner-Earth&p=1039361&viewfull=1#post1039361) Eventually this may also include a monetization motivation.

One reason I feel qualified to make these statements is that I have found (to some degree) each one of the items I listed in this post within my own personality makeup where fortunately there was one thing more important to me than all the benefits of fulfilling one or more items on that list - and that is... - the truth.

The truth is so important to me that even if that truth makes myself look bad - for example, facts about my history in rehabs/psyche facilities and jails, operational assumptions I made along my path of exploration where I now see those assumptions as silly and honest admissions of my own regrettable words and actions of times in my past - then I am willing to share these truths. And I imagine that I am capable of this level of honesty, because of the entanglements I have had with so many I met through this "alt media community" I might be of concern to others. I should not just say might... I have received what essentially could be seen as threats (not physical yet still threats).

This - the truth (to me) is far more important than personalities, even my own.

So back to the "evidence" - my direct experiences with several folks, the PMs, the chats and the e-mails...

These materials I hold privately - especially one particular e-mail that originated from spaceman I can't make public because the party that received the mail (despite this individual's previous statement that I could use it any way I wished) has now expressed concerns that they would be targeted and thus has withdrawn their consent I share it. They feel threatened by this and so I won't.

What you don't know, 6pounder, is that I have made many mistakes in the last year where my journey entangled with a few current and many former members of Avalon, Simon, "spaceman", Atticus and some folks at TOT where some of the strangest experiences of my life occurred. And again... I made several mistakes along the way of this journey and I, myself, unnecessarily hurt other folks. Having said that, if I came out with the complete story and in full honesty about it all (including words I spoke or wrote and actions I took which I regret)... well, all I can say is that perhaps then the reader of my own posts like the ones I have made in this thread would understand better why I have the views I have.

I don't know about others, but I came to Avalon at a crisis point in my life where my central motivation was the seeking of answers to my own albeit massively less sensational but at least actual and in detail completely true anomalous experience - at least honestly true as to my perceptions of and recall of the event I have spoken about before - my experience when six years old (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?44353-My-possible-abduction-experience). This seeking was so important I made contact with anyone I felt might lead me to these answers. In some case, (like with a still current member of Avalon who later became a controversial figure), I was contacted by them first. In time, I found myself a part of a group within the alt media community which spanned well beyond (and in many cases did not include) Avalon. One major mistake I made was in allowing the feelings of some in these groups about others become my own opinion of these others when I had no direct experience to base such opinions. A major lesson I noted in my thread What a year - 2015. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87794-What-a-year-2015)

I will end my post which is primarily to you, 6pounder, with a short story about me. When I was a young boy my family taught me bass fishing. We had a lake house in Minnesota that we went to each summer. My Dad said it was a big deal if we ever caught a black bass that weighed more than 5 pounds up there in that colder water. I believe I was 10 years old when I caught a big bass. When we weighed it in the boat, the bass weighed on a flimsy, not very accurate hand held scale 6 pounds. When we got back to town that afternoon we took it to the local hardware store which ran a weekly contest for the biggest bass caught that week. They weighed my bass and it came out to exactly 5 pounds, 12 ounces.

I ended up winning the contest that week, but I recall the struggle I had over the next few years in telling the story of my big bass. That struggle was in wanting to say the bass was 6 pounds when the official weight was 5 pounds, 12 ounces. Soon I made up my mind that even though 6 pounds sounds better and even though some might say it is close enough that I am not lying by calling it 6 pounds, I decided to always tell the story that the bass weighed 5 pounds 12 ounces. This habit stuck with me. This need to be incredibly precise with the truth. I suspect that need is why I also expect this of others.

When it comes to fantastical experiences, I very, very, very much expect the precise truth from others. I don't make any apologies for this but also, I do not expect others to have this same expectation.

Ever since I saw your user name, 6pounder, I have wanted to tell you this story and interestingly enough, your question to me provided the very opportunity I sought.

Is the truth important? Is it not just important but paramount when it comes to making extraordinary claims and sharing unprovable fantastic experiences? For me, it is. And so when I cannot prove or disprove the claims, yet I have experiences of massive story change and in fact experiences of outright lying, then I am no longer comfortable in accepting the fantastical stories of these story tellers who have proliferated in the community all because of the easy access of the internet and softwares have made it easy for an individual to do so.

[Chester]

Let's say for the sake or debate that Corey's presentations are for the most part factual...now what? What am I supposed to do beyond that I am already doing to pay the bills, satisfy my boss at work, etc. My everyday life doesn't change. I embrace techniques to maximize personal empowerment. The world will eventually change for the better, be it as outlined by Corey, or through a more disruptive process involving Planet X, earth changes, etc. Are people closer to each other now that Corey and Wilcock have spoken? Perhaps, but events in the Middle East and elsewhere certainly suggest that the situation on the planet is deteriorating. By observing from third-person perspective, a careful observer would probably realize that both realities are unfolding simultaneously, which may seem to serve as a contradictory statement. Allow the nebulous confusion to be there due to the inability to conclusively prove most of what is presented by Corey and Wilcock. Just because something cannot be proven does not make it false...nor does it make the content of their presentations correct. Rather, ask 'how will exposure to this experience of Corey and Wilcock help me fulfill my life's purpose?' In my life, it has virtually no impact whatsoever, suggesting that there is not as much valid content in their presentation as Corey and Wilcock would lead you to believe.


I think you hit the old proverbial nail on the head. How does this information, true or false, have any relevance to everyday life? Sure, it can act as a sort of mind candy, or a diversion from life, but other then that how can anyone use this information in their lives?

In my assessment it is akin to The National Enquirer of Alternative Media.
I really do find it sad that David Wilcock was willing to go that route, just to stay in the public eye.

Not that anyone else would have the same experience as I once had but...

I once created a company that skyrocketed in success. My reputation was such that I was nicknamed Merlin by the investors and staff which I then started to spell as Merlyn on my internal communications. My success, the power I seemed to gain, the attention I got (some from office staff females), the fame I experienced in the local community (a small island where the company generated well over 100 jobs), the financial success... all of that - I allowed it to effect me. I allowed it to get to me where I made decisions the being I was before all of this never would have made. At times I became shark like in business transactions and found myself having to avoid my emotions when it came to personnel decisions specifically.

I did not like the person I was becoming and I believe the inner conflict I felt played a role in my own demise which happened. And in fact after it did happen, I felt regret for the downfall but only for a few years where my old preferred self began to return.

What's my point - It seems very rare you find someone who can handle that sort of experience and it not have some corrupting effects. And so in the case of many of these actors... I have an understanding as well as empathy. But simultaneously, I am not willing to avoid voicing my concerns and avoid sharing my own experiences if I believe they can be helpful to others.

[mojo]

sharing unprovable fantastic experience

]


mind candy, or a diversion from life, but other then that how can anyone use this information in their lives?

Two good points from above posts. It might be interesting reading but how did it get so elevated without a shred of proof and where people are believing. That is the real problem...

[6pounder]

Thank you Sam for sharing this with me.

[Carmody]

There is no try, there is no ignore, there is no ambivalence, there is only do ---and courage.

Courage .....being the overcoming of the fear of change.

The fear of change you all hold, right now, as you won't take the steps, even if they were handed to you.

Which if you look around on the net, you will easily find that the steps and the actions required were and have been handed to you, multiple times.

The very vast number of you know exactly what is to be done....and that is direct full and real risking of the self. Period. Do.... not think, not sit... but do.

i cannot, or rather, will not tell you what they (methods, items, directions, etc) are, as these are things you must seek out and do for yourself. Otherwise .....they have no meaning.

Thus, courage and the facing of fears. Dealing with things ....in the self, up front, personal, real, in-situ.

it's all on you. It's always been on you. Just you.

I mean, even Vladimir Putin is saying some of it..flat out. in your face:

Vladimir Putin stated in a report prepared by the Security Council that Russians should be protected from GMO foods and pharmaceutical companies “at all costs.” The Russian leader judged that human evolution is at “grave risk” and that Western powers are “intentionally decelerating the process for personal gain,” YourNewsWire reported.

[Shannon]

There is no try, there is no ignore, there is no ambivalence, there is only do ---and courage.

Courage .....being the overcoming of the fear of change.

The fear of change you all hold, right now, as you won't take the steps, even if they were handed to you.

Which if you look around on the net, you will easily find that the steps and the actions required were and have been handed to you, multiple times.

The very vast number of you know exactly what is to be done....and that is direct full and real risking of the self. Period. Do.... not think, not sit... but do.

i cannot, or rather, will not tell you what they (methods, items, directions, etc) are, as these are things you must seek out and do for yourself. Otherwise .....they have no meaning.

Thus, courage and the facing of fears. Dealing with things ....in the self, up front, personal, real, in-situ.

it's all on you. It's always been on you. Just you.

I mean, even Vladimir Putin is saying some of it..flat out. in your face:

Vladimir Putin stated in a report prepared by the Security Council that Russians should be protected from GMO foods and pharmaceutical companies “at all costs.” The Russian leader judged that human evolution is at “grave risk” and that Western powers are “intentionally decelerating the process for personal gain,” YourNewsWire reported.

Well Putin should know and do since he was taught martial arts by ancient master Shane the ruiner. :)

[Clear Light]

Step 4 - Now that you have them hooked, sell them... which includes the selling of false hope


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Oh, yeah I reckon it's what DW / CG seem to be promoting with their efforts at "Full Disclosure", here's some points from the above video :


100 "energy balancing" spheres (which contain 8ft tall Blue Avians) have come into our solar system since 2012 to defeat the "Cabal"

A "barrier" has been put in place around the whole Solar System so no-one can get in / out (nor any communications)

There is an "event" coming "our way" which spells the end of the Reptilians / Cabal

Lots of meetings taking place with people on Earth

100s and 100s of people are being contacted again (since the 1950s/1960s) and brought up into space in advance of the "mass arrest" event

The "illuminati tribunals" (exposing them and their plans) will be all over TV (No Lady Gaga or Katy Perry music will get played)

Heads of state, major celebrities, major world leaders, international bankers to be brought out on trial

The witnesses who can bring down the "cabal" have already been taken off planet for their protection (and will testify from "off planet" when the trials begin)

Lots of the "cabal" will likely move to Brazil where there is already a Militarised State in place

Corey is "feeding" David "information" (because Corey has the access that David wishes he had)

It's all coming to a head very very soon ... within the next SIX months

He then goes on to talk about his coming Fame (like Edward Snowden)

David confirms "Thoth" (from Egyptian times) as an earlier example of the same "Blue Avian" beings who have now come back apparently !


So, rest assured, everybody ... it's ALL in hand (so-to-speak) and the whole World is to be Irrevocably changed for the better any time now ... um, David, six months have passed already ... hmmm ... David ?

[Sean]

I think we all need to stop relying on others to tell us what's happening. How many "Shane" situations are we going to set ourselves up for, exactly?

I know there are people in this world who have direct evidence proving alien contact. If I'm lucky to meet one of them someday, perhaps I'll find the answers I seek. Until then, I will use consciousness and work on improving my ability to seek via said consciousness, whether it be by OBE, remote viewing,or other modalities. I trust myself, and my own experiences. If there's one thing I'm sure of, It's that I'm not making up any stories ;)

[Bill Ryan]

(2 Jun 2015) Length 7m:44s


That's one impossible thing every 35 seconds, a considerably better rate than the White Queen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Queen_%28Through_the_Looking-Glass%29).

[DeDukshyn]

...

What's my point - It seems very rare you find someone who can handle that sort of experience and it not have some corrupting effects. And so in the case of many of these actors... I have an understanding as well as empathy. But simultaneously, I am not willing to avoid voicing my concerns and avoid sharing my own experiences if I believe they can be helpful to others.

Perhaps not entirely related, I was reminded of this tidbit about Corey:

This can be for the people who follow him without questioning his motives ...

I recall Corey getting very serious and upset about Avalon folk using his real name - this was near the end of his stint here. It was extremely important for the safety of himself, and his wife, due to his work with military intelligence, etc. That no one know his real name (or display it, many of us knew it as he used to sign all his posts with his real name) because he was such an endangered whistleblower ... that seemed to go on until the opportunity of becoming a "pseudo celebrity" came up. Then suddenly, without reason, he was "Corey Goode" again, and he and his family had been apparently and "magically" made safe from the US military or whoever he claimed to have to hide from previously. Complete BS. This was just one of the many little inconsistencies, that, when you add them all, up, your have no choice but to be rendered with serious doubts about what comes from his mouth. Maybe the Blue Avians somehow granted him protection ... lol. I had only one or two (at least attempted) serious discussions with him, all I could think after both encounters was "that guy is a complete jackass and doesn't seem to actually know anything". I don't care if 60% or 70% of what he is saying happens to be true (who would even know? not one bit of it is verifiable) or copied from other sources; at the very best, he is preying (in a sense) on his "followers" in order to keep his status as "pseudo celebrity" going. This is obviously important enough to him to completely do a 180 on his stance on being an "endangered whistleblower". I guess he's not really a whistleblower? Perhaps being an "endangered whistleblower" stopped being of benefit to him. Not as good a label as "pseudo celebrity", apparently. Wonder what his wife thinks about him endangering her like that, lol.

As the wise post near the bottom of the previous page by Buddha's Palm states, there is absolutely nothing that Corey offers that can be used for any human advancement, improvement, etc. that is not directly being parroted from previous sources. In other words, he has nothing to offer to help humanity (somewhat under the guise that he does have important info). All he has are fantastical stories, and repeated "feelgood" phrases coined by others previous. Now, what might the motivation, if not just for selfish reasons, be, so that we are distracted from being active participants in making changes toward creating the world we desire? Cue Bono? (Who Benefits?) Not any of you, that is for sure; except for the few moments that reading or listening to such talks makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, without any lasting benefit ...

Again, pair all that with Wilcock's tendency to attract "colleagues" that don't have his (and thus yours) best interests at heart, and it's a reasonable picture painted.

Probably off topic again ... not sure, seems like a fine line. ;)

[Valley]

What about Jay Weidner and Oliver Stone's son, Sean Stone?... Stone, here seems pretty serious, but Weidner appears to be more on the 'jolly' side :)...


No serious researchers are giving this any time at all apart from Wilcock and Michael Salla.

Jay Weidner is a serious researcher, yes. I have a lot of respect for him.

He does have an interest in this, as it were, as he's a Gaia executive. Gaia have 'invested' in Corey pretty heavily. Whatever Jay's personal thoughts or misgivings, if he has any, he can hardly voice them. That's a kind of problem.

Sean Stone is comparatively new in the field, and got his start from Jesse Ventura's 'Conspiracy Theory' in 2012 (season 3). He learned fast, but isn't a researcher in that same sense, and (like many others, and not a crime!) is a professional media host, and has also acted in a number of Hollywood films (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0832165/).

Do note that hosting a radio or TV show, the success of which is driven by very different criteria, and being a serious researcher, are two very different things!
To me, if someone is bold/brave enough to have their own regular TV/Internet 'Show' in these 'alternative' fields of research and cycling through many very controversial guests and delving more deeply into these areas... I will defintely consider that person quite 'serious' in what they're doing. Stone may be yet a bit younger-ish in years, but he appears to be quite knowledgeable, have a good intuition, and to have quite a 'sharp' mind to work with (probably very high IQ), so I think he's doing some very excellent 'work' for humanity actually.

Here's a recent video interview with Stone from a few months ago, by our friend Kerry Cassidy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tTgZMslmqA
PS... I think Weidner would make for a very interesting interview... What do you think Cap'n?

[Jeffedelic]

Tolec is a corroborating contactee. He says the Andromeda s he's in contact with are connected to the sphere alliance that Corey talks about. Julien Wells - a Pleiadian contactee- has said that his contacts consider Corey Goode as the real deal.



Very gently, and not unkindly: I'd suggest that — academically speaking, and from a research/verification standpoint — that means exactly nothing.

I was answering this fellas question with 2 corroborating contactees that support Corys claims. Either it'll resonate with him or it won't. Each to their own.

It's cool, you answered my question perfectly and Bill provided some context to that answer. Thank you both for the info, this thread has helped me a lot in digging deeper into this whole story.

[Chester]

No serious researchers are giving this any time at all apart from Wilcock and Michael Salla. Not one other. On the contrary, many are politely but privately scathing.

I consider Michael Salla a friend (I met him a few times, and he's a good man who always means well), and I wrote to him offering more background information about Corey. I told him, privately, I was concerned he was compromising his own good reputation.

Although Michael is a trained academic, and should be collecting data of every kind as routine, he did NOT want to know more about anything I was offering to share.

Coming from a researcher, that was a little hard to understand. He replied [my paraphrase] that he was committed to Corey's story, and wasn't going to turn back. That sounded to me more like an emotional stance than a cautious, research-based, professional one.

In my personal opinion, that may not have been very wise, and I do think he may come to regret that later when the entire thing implodes, as it well might. It may be impossible to disprove, but just as impossible to verify

and



I wrote to Michael Salla in August and again in October, and each time he was kind enough to send me a very courteous reply. He said (as in my earlier post here) that he was 'committed'.

I think it's fine to quote this here. Earlier, I'd paraphrased his comment, but this is exactly what he wrote. (Do note that this is a short extract in the context of a very full reply)
Quote I take your warning as a caution from a friend, but I'm fully committed and there's no turning back.
That's a very fair, honest and accurate personal statement of his position.

Regarding Salla... and just another one of my whacky theories but - some may be familiar with his work in putting together the materials to support his theory that the actual (well... perhaps the most primary) reason "they" killed Kennedy was due to the evidence the MJ-12 group had that Kennedy posed a security risk whereby the MJ-12 group also had what they may have believed was a legal directive to silence Kennedy. If I have the story right, the MJ-12 group had what they believed was legal power that superseded all other laws when it came to protecting the "alien" stuff. Also, it was the CIA that was put in charge legally of security for Area 51 and S-4 (and perhaps other facilities). Allen Dulles was purported to be the head of MJ-12 at the time Kennedy was assassinated and most may recall how Dulles met his demise as CIA director via JFK just a few years earlier.

Now... if Salla has actually put together what may be actual truth and is presenting it publicly as he has in both his book, "Kennedy's Last Stand" and the video I linked below, could Salla be providing himself some cover in his endorsement of Goode?

"Where did this MJ-12/Kennedy info come from? Ohhh that same guy that is providing that crackpot Goode a stage? And we're gonna take this Kennedy business seriously?"

I know Salla was not at all the first to make this case, but he did so better than any researcher I have ever encountered trying so to do. Anyways... its just a theory...

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[Bill Ryan]

What about Jay Weidner and Oliver Stone's son, Sean Stone?... Stone, here seems pretty serious, but Weidner appears to be more on the 'jolly' side :)...


No serious researchers are giving this any time at all apart from Wilcock and Michael Salla.

Jay Weidner is a serious researcher, yes. I have a lot of respect for him.

He does have an interest in this, as it were, as he's a Gaia executive. Gaia have 'invested' in Corey pretty heavily. Whatever Jay's personal thoughts or misgivings, if he has any, he can hardly voice them. That's a kind of problem.





Okay, this is interesting, and may possibly be significant.

Here's the recent (Oct-Nov 2015) Secret Space Program Conference Saturday night (first) Round Table Discussion:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFR1Bj4TWFI
In this (which I hadn't known), Jay Weidner had been invited to join the panel that evening.

The very first question the panel was asked (at 3:30) was:
I'm wondering if any of you have any comments to make about some of the Secret Space Program insiders that are starting to come out, like Corey Goode, and Randy Cramer, and if you have thoughts on some of the intel that they're sharing.Well, that got my interest. Jay Weidner, the stand-in chair of the panel, invited speaker Walter Bosley to comment first.

Do watch this. As Walter is talking about the problem of some of what they're saying maybe being
stuff that's been... it's toxin, it's fake, that's been given to them or put into their consciousness [...] that isn't real, isn't true, and it's been put in there to discredit them. It's disinformation, so to speak...Jay, sitting right next to him, is nodding throughout.

Jay is no fool, and his clearly signaled agreement totally means something.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[WhiteLove]

I like some of the theories that David has presented (btw. I also like them as persons for who they are and the fact that they desire humans to evolve in a beautiful way, I really like persons who go out in the world with such types of messages), but I like them as theories, not as facts and that's an incredibly important difference.

[Chester]

Yes, it's high-tech 'head planted' disinfo...the waters of secret space programs will always be muddied to outsiders/topsiders, so long as the body-mind remains in control of Doers-in-the-Body (e.g., us...). The body-mind is not conscious, per se. Doers-in-the-Body are the ones calling the shots, but have instead delegated control to the body-mind, which is governed by nature. The chevron symbology found throughout space program emblems are a representation of the driving force behind those within the secret space programs. These people are driven by nature, not by Consciousness. Until a critical mass of people are in control of their respective body-minds, the situation on the planet will continue to become increasingly chaotic.

Hi, I wish you would elaborate further on this.

[Maia Gabrial]

This whole Corey bashing is bizarre to me. I have watched all of the videos on Gaia and he seems like the real deal. How could anyone make that all up? There are like 20 videos out now and more coming. People here seem to have a chip on their shoulder with him. The more Corey talks, the more it should be clear that what he is saying is true but there doesn't seem to be any reevaluation of opinions based on that. I have heard people say that just because he is still alive he is obviously not telling the truth. The fact is we don't know but the more he talks, the more it looks like he knows what he is talking about. I'll admit I'm new to this stuff so that makes me definitely NOT an expert, but maybe that's a good thing too. I have no history to cloud my judgment.

Cheers, Jim

I agree with you, Jim. I don't understand the bashing at all either. Maybe when a person is put on the defensive they'll try to defend themself. But he's not here to defend himself anymore. I tried to defend him myself and ended up being attacked myself. By a mod, no less. Even the comments were taken off before I could see them.

The bashing of a fellow divine being, whether he's the real deal or not, just seems unworthy of people who claim to be open minded....

[Shannon]

This whole Corey bashing is bizarre to me. I have watched all of the videos on Gaia and he seems like the real deal. How could anyone make that all up? There are like 20 videos out now and more coming. People here seem to have a chip on their shoulder with him. The more Corey talks, the more it should be clear that what he is saying is true but there doesn't seem to be any reevaluation of opinions based on that. I have heard people say that just because he is still alive he is obviously not telling the truth. The fact is we don't know but the more he talks, the more it looks like he knows what he is talking about. I'll admit I'm new to this stuff so that makes me definitely NOT an expert, but maybe that's a good thing too. I have no history to cloud my judgment.

Cheers, Jim

I agree with you, Jim. I don't understand the bashing at all either. Maybe when a person is put on the defensive they'll try to defend themself. But he's not here to defend himself anymore. I tried to defend him myself and ended up being attacked myself. By a mod, no less. Even the comments were taken off before I could see them.

The bashing of a fellow divine being, whether he's the real deal or not, just seems unworthy of people who claim to be open minded....

Well, there is that old saying that it's good to keep an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out...

That said, I am totally open to there being blue avians and a sphere being alliance. I just don't believe they are contacting Corey goode.

Could I have been less catty towards him in this thread? Sure. I'm not perfect, but opened minded I am.

[quiltinggrandma]

i agree saint theresa,sorry if this seems harsh,but,in my opinion,it's all for personal gain.I won't be giving them any of my time.My thank you's go to bill,and other truth seekers.

[Chester]

One can look at some of these comments in a limited way and conclude it is "Corey bashing." One can also open their mind as to why there might be "the Corey's (and others)" in the first place. If there are real SSP programs (as opposed to these fantasy programs) then perhaps these real programs are meant to be kept as secret as possible. And I do not mean secret (only) from the masses of humanity... but from an outside one or more agencies that may have had issues with humanity in humanity's ancient past.

As Joseph Farrell suggests in this video... that a current SSP program (one or more by the way) may be underway and inspired by issues humanity may have encountered in the distant past. Understand if this is the case, it may have been humanity that was "the bad guys" - I am not saying we were, I am saying we could have been perceived as such. So it may be a motivation by those who have created and are currently involved in ongoing SSP programs to keep this as much under wraps as possible and one result of that view might be to create different scenarios of all sorts of false possibilities and push them out to the public via identifying candidates for disseminating such false information and then implementing the means by which individuals would produce such stories and bring them to the public.

Wait... "didn't you just suggest they may want to keep it from outside third parties?" Yes, and thus one of the roads to block is keeping the current masses of humanity in the dark or well off track.

This may also suggest the possibility that some researchers are aware of this and may in fact have accepted the ideological justification to play their important role in bring to the potential much wider audience various folks like Corey, Parkes, Kramer, and "others."

Find direct suggestions of this type of consideration (to keep SSP projects secret from non Earth human 3rds parties) in this video at 1:21:00 seconds -

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[Raven]

What about Jay Weidner and Oliver Stone's son, Sean Stone?... Stone, here seems pretty serious, but Weidner appears to be more on the 'jolly' side :)...


No serious researchers are giving this any time at all apart from Wilcock and Michael Salla.

Jay Weidner is a serious researcher, yes. I have a lot of respect for him.

He does have an interest in this, as it were, as he's a Gaia executive. Gaia have 'invested' in Corey pretty heavily. Whatever Jay's personal thoughts or misgivings, if he has any, he can hardly voice them. That's a kind of problem.





Okay, this is interesting, and may possibly be significant.

Here's the recent (Oct-Nov 2015) Secret Space Program Conference Saturday night (first) Round Table Discussion:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFR1Bj4TWFI
In this (which I hadn't known), Jay Weidner had been invited to join the panel that evening.

The very first question the panel was asked (at 3:30) was:
I'm wondering if any of you have any comments to make about some of the Secret Space Program insiders that are starting to come out, like Corey Goode, and Randy Cramer, and if you have thoughts on some of the intel that they're sharing.Well, that got my interest. Jay Weidner, the stand-in chair of the panel, invited speaker Walter Bosley to comment first.

Do watch this. As Walter is talking about the problem of some of what they're saying maybe being
stuff that's been... it's toxin, it's fake, that's been given to them or put into their consciousness ... that isn't real, isn't true, and it's been put in there to discredit them. It's disinformation, so to speak ...Jay, sitting right next to him, is nodding throughout.

Jay is no fool, and his clearly signaled agreement totally means something.thanks bill for suggesting this listen - I had heard most of the conference in bits and pieces beginning with the second night round table but had skipped this one somehow - so good to have the links for both days here in one place

[Rocky_Shorz]

You know what all of us are waiting for...

The day David goes live with a they picked me up and I saw it all next to Corey...

[Daozen]

Just watching that SSP discussion. Looks like a sincere group of people on the panel. Calling out all the fluff-artists and talking straight.

[Chester]

Just watching that SSP discussion. Looks like a sincere group of people on the panel. Calling out all the fluff-artists and talking straight.

Yes! And why it is so important (at least to me) that folks who in any way come forth with fantastical experiences speak 100% truthfully about any and all related areas to their stories and anything related to their being.

Testimony is a form of evidence yet testimony requires those hearing or reading the testimony believe the testimony. How do we judge if we can believe someone? There are several criteria I require in order to raise my level of belief when it comes to unprovable, fantastical testimony.

Here are my two most important ones:

The story teller must never be discovered to make statements related to their life and experiences which they share with others and which are clear in their details yet are able to be proven false. I do not use the word "proven" lightly. I am speaking of clear evidence coming forth which refutes a significant element of a story told by one of these story tellers.

In cases such as this, the only question is - How conscious is the story teller that they are stating falsehoods? If they are in any way conscious that they are stating falsehoods, how then can anyone even consider for one moment the unprovable, fantastical elements of their story are true? IMO you can't. You can try and convince yourself your "gnosis" or your incredible "intuitive abilities" or your "soul knowingness" (yes, that's one of the latest most popular expressions for this) - to me these forms of "knowing" are totally subjective and interpretive. I have no issue with people deciding their subjective experiences and the interpretations they make based on those experiences are "their truth." What bothers me is when folks push that on others AS TRUTH (meaning that it is a universal for all and unchanging truth).

Another big red flag is:

Critical elements to a story completely change. Anytime a critically important factor in one's story totally and completely changes, I wonder to myself, "If the story teller got this wrong originally, what other critically important elements to the story might change later on?"


The bottom line is that in these times, if ever we who really seek the various truths regarding so many of the topics found on the Avalon forum, the last thing we need is distractions from false story tellers whether witting or not.

[Daozen]

I think the fake alt media have so saturated the disclosure world with fake story-tellers, that no one knows up or down any more. I think this was done deliberately.

I think The Ruiner was the only legit guy recently. Don't care what anyone else says, I think he was for real, and I have been very outspoken about all the other hucksters out there.

Because of the way some real people have been treated, you will probably find less insiders opening up to these boards over the next few years. It's fine to disbelieve someone, but catty comments and high-school politics don't look good to anyone wanting to share.

Occasionally we must forgive someone the odd discrepancy. If someone was to tell stories about their school days, they might get a few facts wrong. That happens with time. I have also sanitized elements of my story because of various things I was supposed to keep quiet. I have also changed the names and other details about some people to protect the innocent guilty.

My final point is, who cares about these stories any more anyway? There is work to do. I need to stop being a spectator, and get on and manifest freedom in my daily life.

[Leon55]

I did watch all the Corey Goode interviews on GaiamTV and I now do like Corey more than when I first heard about him. Also when he speaks to George Noory, he seems to be a different person then when speaking to David Wilcock.

I've also read that Gaiam has done two rounds of questioning Corey to determine whether he is a liar or not. I would love to know how these sessions went. What techniques did they use to determine whether Corey is trustworthy?

I personally do get the feeling that there's a lot of truth in what Corey is telling us, but he still came from a goverment program called Blue Bird so the whole Blue Avian thing just seems too suspect.

In my opinion, he might very well be a disinfo agent without him even knowing it himself. As previously mentioned here, he might have had some high-quality reprogramming done on him.

[Bill Ryan]

What techniques did they use to determine whether Corey is trustworthy?


One action that would make a very great deal of difference to everyone would be for Corey to be willing to subject himself to regression sessions in the hands of a competent, experienced therapist.

You'd think that Gaia (Gaiam TV) would be most willing to sponsor those, and maybe ask permission to film or record them. The cost would be tiny compared with the value of a highly dramatic TV episode.

They could be both fascinating, and highly supportive of his story. That'd be the first thing to do for a claimed witness who feels he has with extraordinary recovered memories.

(And Corey's memories ARE recovered. Most of what he's been talking about the past year, he was NOT saying in Sept/October when former Avalon member Christine first recorded her conversations with him at his home, which is how it all got started. That information came to him SINCE then. That's really important for everyone to understand.)

But... there have been no regression sessions at all. Corey's unwillingness (or inability) to go that route says something about his testimony.

[Wide-Eyed]

What techniques did they use to determine whether Corey is trustworthy?


One action that would make a very great deal of difference to everyone would be for Corey to be willing to subject himself to regression sessions in the hands of a competent, experienced therapist.

You'd think that Gaia (Gaiam TV) would be most willing to sponsor those, and maybe ask permission to film or record them. The cost would be tiny compared with the value of a highly dramatic TV episode.

They could be both fascinating, and highly supportive of his story. That'd be the first thing to do for a claimed witness who feels he has with extraordinary recovered memories.

(And Corey's memories ARE recovered. Most of what he's been talking about the past year, he was NOT saying in Sept/October when former Avalon member Christine first recorded her conversations with him at his home, which is how it all got started. That information came to him SINCE then. That's really important for everyone to understand.)

But... there have been no regression sessions at all. Corey's unwillingness (or inability) to go that route says something about his testimony.

just a thought any Reverse Speech been done on Corey's conversations?


speech.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqUNYkDYt0w :handshake:

[Helvetic]

And by the way those "glas pads" communication devices are nothing new. They are described in the books for the Sci-Fi series "Expanse" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3230854/?ref_=ttep_ep_tt)

Additional Link:
Blockbuster Book Series The Expanse Set To Be TV’s New Battlestar Galactica (http://www.gamesradar.com/blockbuster-book-series-the-expanse-set-to-be-tvs-new-battlestar-galactica4/)

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