Evidence for Planet Nine in our solar system

[Eram]

I found this news today about evidence of a ninth planet.



The solar system appears to have a new ninth planet. Today, two scientists announced evidence that a body nearly the size of Neptune—but as yet unseen—orbits the sun every 15,000 years. During the solar system’s infancy 4.5 billion years ago, they say, the giant planet was knocked out of the planet-forming region near the sun. Slowed down by gas, the planet settled into a distant elliptical orbit, where it still lurks today.
The claim is the strongest yet in the centuries-long search for a “Planet X” beyond Neptune.

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I'm not familiar with the site and how credible it's info is, but at a first glance, it looks legit.

full article at:
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/feature-astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-unseen-solar-system?utm_source=newsfromscience&utm_medium=facebook-text&utm_campaign=planetx-1988

[6pounder]

Yeah I saw it too. The interesting part that was presented is its orbit around the sun.

[Eram]

Yeah I saw it too. The interesting part that was presented is its orbit around the sun.

Yes indeed, the elliptical orbit would implicate quite a dramatic influence on the solar systems bodies and am not only talking about mass and gravitational pull.
I'm interested to see what the science of astrology has to say about this.

[ghostrider]

They will discover two more planets, and our suns twin a failed fusion star , that is always hidden behind our sun ...

[Harley]

I found this news today about evidence of a ninth planet.

I'm not familiar with the site and how credible it's info is, but at a first glance, it looks legit.

It's legit.

Here's more:

Caltech Researchers Find Evidence of a Real Ninth Planet

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01/20/2016

Caltech researchers have found evidence of a giant planet tracing a bizarre, highly elongated orbit in the outer solar system. The object, which the researchers have nicknamed Planet Nine, has a mass about 10 times that of Earth and orbits about 20 times farther from the sun on average than does Neptune (which orbits the sun at an average distance of 2.8 billion miles). In fact, it would take this new planet between 10,000 and 20,000 years to make just one full orbit around the sun.

The researchers, Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown, discovered the planet's existence through mathematical modeling and computer simulations but have not yet observed the object directly.

"This would be a real ninth planet," says Brown, the Richard and Barbara Rosenberg Professor of Planetary Astronomy. "There have only been two true planets discovered since ancient times, and this would be a third. It's a pretty substantial chunk of our solar system that's still out there to be found, which is pretty exciting."

Brown notes that the putative ninth planet—at 5,000 times the mass of Pluto—is sufficiently large that there should be no debate about whether it is a true planet. Unlike the class of smaller objects now known as dwarf planets, Planet Nine gravitationally dominates its neighborhood of the solar system. In fact, it dominates a region larger than any of the other known planets—a fact that Brown says makes it "the most planet-y of the planets in the whole solar system."

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For more on story go to Caltech.org (http://www.caltech.edu/news/caltech-researchers-find-evidence-real-ninth-planet-49523)

[Sunny-side-up]

They will discover two more planets, and our suns twin a failed fusion star , that is always hidden behind our sun ...

Just thinking:
This is how we really move with our Sun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU
If you look the planets never get in front of the Sun, so where would the second sun be?
The second sun must be in-front of our Sun.
Our sun being towed by the second Sun, if so the second Sun is really the first Sun:sun:

I would like to see a version of the vid including Planet 9's path :)

And of curse add the Suns spiral movement in our galaxy 0.o

[Cidersomerset]

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Case made for 'ninth planet'

By Jonathan Amos
BBC Science Correspondent


3 hours ago


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Artist's impression of a ninth planet: Telescopes are sure to try to track down the object... if it really exists

American astronomers say they have strong evidence that there is a ninth planet in our Solar System orbiting
far beyond even the dwarf world Pluto.The team, from the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), has no
direct observations to confirm its presence just yet.Rather, the scientists make the claim based on the way
other far-flung objects are seen to move.

But if proven, the putative planet would have 10 times the mass of Earth.

The Caltech astronomers have a vague idea where it ought to be on the sky, and their work is sure to fire a
campaign to try to track it down.

"There are many telescopes on the Earth that actually have a chance of being able to find it," said Dr Mike Brown.

"And I'm really hoping that as we announce this, people start a worldwide search to go find this ninth planet."


Read More....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35365323

[Eric J (Viking)]

Seems to be doing the rounds...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?249-Planet-X-Nibiru-Tyche-Hercolobus-Elenin

Viking

[Flowerpunkchip]

From the BBC News website

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/0B37/production/_87817820_planet_9_art_1_.jpg

American astronomers say they have strong evidence that there is a ninth planet in our Solar System orbiting far beyond even the dwarf world Pluto.
The team, from the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), has no direct observations to confirm its presence just yet.
Rather, the scientists make the claim based on the way other far-flung objects are seen to move.
But if proven, the putative planet would have 10 times the mass of Earth.
The Caltech astronomers have a vague idea where it ought to be on the sky, and their work is sure to fire a campaign to try to track it down.
"There are many telescopes on the Earth that actually have a chance of being able to find it," said Dr Mike Brown.
"And I'm really hoping that as we announce this, people start a worldwide search to go find this ninth planet."
Strange swing
The group's calculations suggest the object orbits 20 times farther from the Sun on average than does the eighth - and currently outermost - planet, Neptune, which moves about 4.5 billion km from our star.
But unlike the near-circular paths traced by the main planets, this novel object would be in a highly elliptical trajectory, taking between 10,000 and 20,000 years to complete one full lap around the Sun.
The Caltech group has analysed the movements of objects in a band of far-off icy material known as the Kuiper Belt. It is in this band that Pluto resides.
The scientists say they see distinct alignments among some members of the Kuiper Belt - and in particular two of its larger members known as Sedna and 2012 VP113. These alignments, they argue, are best explained by the existence of a hitherto unidentified large planet.
"The most distant objects all swing out in one direction in a very strange way that shouldn't happen, and we realised the only way we could get them to swing in one direction is if there is a massive planet, also very distant in the Solar System, keeping them in place while they all go around the Sun," explained Dr Brown.
"I went from trying very hard to be sceptical that what we were talking about was true, to suddenly thinking, 'this might actually be true'."
Models and observations
The idea that there might be a so-called Planet X moving in the distant reaches of the Solar System has been debated for more than a hundred years. It has fallen in and out of vogue.
What makes this claim a little more interesting is Dr Brown himself.
He specialises in finding far-flung objects, and it was his discovery of 2,236km-wide Eris in the Kuiper Belt in 2005 that led famously to the demotion of Pluto from full planet status a year later (Dr Brown's Twitter handle is @PlutoKiller).
At that stage, Pluto was thought to be slightly smaller than Eris, but is now known to be just a little bit bigger.
Others who model the outer Solar System have been saying for some years that the range of sizes seen in the objects so far identified in the Kuiper Belt suggest another planet perhaps the size of Earth or Mars could be a possibility. But there is sure to be strong scepticism until a confirmed telescopic observation is made.


The 'ninth planet' - where to look?
http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/14687/production/_87819538_p9_kbo_orbits_labeled_1_.jpg
The six most distant known objects in the Solar system with orbits exclusively beyond Neptune (magenta) all mysteriously line up in a single direction. Why? Brown and Batygin argue that this is because a massive planet (orange) is anti-aligned with these objects. Can telescopes now find this planet? Is it possible the evidence is already in observational data but no-one has yet recognised it? The hunt is on.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35365323

Maybe this should be moved to the Nibiru section?

[ThePythonicCow]

Apologies, just posted the same from the BBC News webpage. Please delete my post admins , thank you.

It was a fine post, so I merged it into this thread, as Post #9 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88333-Evidence-for-a-ninth-planet-in-our-solar-system&p=1039454&viewfull=1#post1039454), above.

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's RT's report on this suspected new planet:
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[cecilmeyer]

What is also interesting is that I have been reading about an additional planet in our solar system on alternative news and conspiracy sites for years.Turns out the so called nut jobs might have been right on this on after all!

[ghostrider]

In the 70s , the watchers told Edward our sun has a twin nd moves in perfect sync with earth's movement keeping it hidden, they said in the future we would discover it , as well as three more planets that have very distant orbits ...

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
Planet X was talked about sooooo much that people talked themselves out of believing in it! NOW scientist believe Planet X is there and need out help to find it.
Let's help them and find it!
chancy


Link:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/scientists-solid-evidence-9th-planet-solar-system-153804875.html

Article
New evidence points to giant 9th planet on solar system edge
[The Canadian Press]
Marcia Dunn, The Associated Press
The Canadian Press
January 20, 2016
This artistic rendering provided by California Institute of Technology shows the distant view from Planet Nine back towards the sun. The planet is thought to be gaseous, similar to Uranus and Neptune. Hypothetical lightning lights up the night side. Scientists reported Wednesday, Jan. 20, 2016, they finally have "good evidence" for Planet X, a true ninth planet on the fringes of our solar system. (R. Hurt/Infrared Processing and Analysis Center/Courtesy of California Institute of Technology via AP)This artistic rendering provided by California Institute of Technology shows the distant view from Planet Nine back towards the sun. The planet is thought to be gaseous, similar to Uranus and Neptune. Hypothetical lightning lights up the night side. Scientists reported Wednesday, Jan. 20, 2016, they finally have "good evidence" for Planet X, a true ninth planet on the fringes of our solar system. (R. Hurt/Infrared Processing and Analysis Center/Courtesy of California Institute of Technology via AP)
This artistic rendering provided by California Institute of Technology shows the distant view from Planet Nine back towards the sun. The planet is thought to be gaseous, similar to Uranus and Neptune. Hypothetical lightning lights up the night side. Scientists reported Wednesday, Jan. 20, 2016, they finally have "good evidence" for Planet X, a true ninth planet on the fringes of our solar system. (R. Hurt/Infrared Processing and Analysis Center/Courtesy of California Institute of Technology via AP)

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - The solar system may have a ninth planet after all.

This one is 5,000 times bigger than outcast Pluto and billions of miles farther away, say scientists who presented "good evidence" for a long-hypothesized Planet X on Wednesday.

The gas giant is thought to be almost as big as its nearest planetary neighbour Neptune, quite possibly with rings and moons. It's so distant that it would take a mind-blowing 10,000 to 20,000 years to circle the sun.

Planet 9, as the pair of California Institute of Technology researchers calls it, hasn't been spotted yet. They base their prediction on mathematical and computer modeling, and anticipate its discovery via telescope within five years or less.

The two reported their research Wednesday in the Astronomical Journal because they want people to help them look for it.

"We could have stayed quiet and quietly spent the next five years searching the skies ourselves and hoping to find it. But I would rather somebody find it sooner, than me find it later," astronomer Mike Brown told The Associated Press.

"I want to see it. I want to see what it looks like. I want to understand where it is, and I think this will help."

Brown and planetary scientist Konstantin Batygin feel certain about their prediction, which at first seemed unbelievable to even them.

"For the first time in more than 150 years, there's good evidence that the planetary census of the solar system is incomplete," Batygin said, referring to Neptune's discovery as Planet 8.

Once it's detected, Brown insists there will be no Pluto-style planetary debate. Brown ought to know; he's the so-called Pluto killer who helped lead the charge against Pluto's planetary status in 2006. (Once Planet 9, Pluto is now officially considered a dwarf planet.)

"THIS is what we mean when we say the word 'planet,' " Brown said.

Brown and Batygin believe it's big — 10 times more massive than Earth — and unlike Pluto, dominates its cosmic neighbourhood. Pluto is a gravitational slave to Neptune, they pointed out.

Another scientist, Alan Stern, said he's withholding judgment on the planet prediction. He is the principal scientist for NASA's New Horizons spacecraft, which buzzed Pluto last summer in the first-ever visit from Planet Earth. He still sees Pluto as a real planet — not a second-class dwarf.

"This kind of thing comes around every few years. To date, none of those predicts have been borne out by discoveries," Stern said in an email Wednesday. "I'd be very happy if the Brown-Batygin were the exception to the rule, but we'll have to wait and see. Prediction is not discovery."

Brown and Batygin shaped their calculation on the fact that six objects in the icy Kuiper Belt, or Twilight Zone on the far reaches of the solar system, appear to have orbits influenced by only one thing: a real planet. The vast, mysterious Kuiper Belt is home to Pluto as well.

Brown actually discovered one of these six objects more than a decade ago, Sedna, a large minor planet.

"What we have found is a gravitational signature of Planet 9 lurking in the outskirts of the solar system,' Batygin said. The actual discovery, he noted, will be "era-defining."

Added Brown: "We have felt a great disturbance in the force."

Scott Sheppard of the Carnegie Institution for Science in Washington said Brown and Batygin's effort takes his own findings to "the next level." Two years ago, he and a colleague suggested a possible giant planet.

"I find this new work very exciting," Sheppard said in an email. "It makes the distant Super-Earth planet in our solar system much more real. I would say the odds just went from 50 per cent to 75 per cent that this distant massive planet is real."

Depending on where this Planet 9 is in its egg-shaped orbit, a space telescope may be needed to confirm its presence, the researchers said. Or good backyard telescopes may spot it, they noted, if the planet is relatively closer to us in its swing around the sun. It's an estimated 20 billion to 100 billion miles away.

The Caltech researchers prefer calling it Planet 9, versus the historical term Planet X. The latter smacks of "aliens and the imminent destruction of the Earth," according to Brown.

[Lifebringer]

Giant Earth shape planet 8 x's the size of earth, brings to mind: "As above, so it is below>" A sort of giant earth brother or sister or Mama or Papa? What if as it passes or crosses, it corrects or purifies a planet's germs? What if the planet's spirit to spirit connection for repair signals by vibration a pestulence poisoning the planet? Creator/God is good at what he creates and all systems respond. Hmmm, just a thought that needs a little more investigatory evidence before commenting. oooo this is very interesting.
On the other hand....
They already know, don't want the blame for not telling us in time to prepare, and want a average Joe Schmoe astronomer to discover it while claiming they didn't know because cuts were to harsh and they could only monitor X% of the space.(to increase space funding?
Gotta go research this a bit. If they are disclosing, best to be in the observation deck to see what games they play.

[mojo]

Do you think the Hopi knew of this planet in the past?

[Karpos]

In Frank Waters's writings on Hopi mythology, the Blue Star Kachina or Saquasohuh, is a kachina or spirit, that will signify the coming of the beginning of the new world by appearing in the form of a blue star. The Blue Star Kachina is said to be the ninth and final sign before the "Day of Purification", described as a catastrophe or a "world engulfing cataclysm" that will lead to the purification of planet Earth.[1]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Star_Kachina

Not necessarily a 9th planet, but a blue star could be a blue planet.

More on the prophecy:
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/did-the-hopi-predict-the-end-of-the-world

[Sérénité]

And here she is...in all her blue splendour...



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[Eram]

researchers from California Institute of Technology - Caltech explain the evidence behind ‪Planet 9‬.

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[Hervé]

From the article linked to in Eram's OP (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/Astronomers say a Neptune-sized planet lurks beyond PlutoBy Eric HandJan. 20, 2016The solar system appears to have a new ninth planet. Today, two scientists announced evidence that a body nearly the size of Neptune—but as yet unseen—orbits the sun every 15,000 years. During the solar system’s infancy 4.5 billion years ago, they say, the giant planet was knocked out of the planet-forming region near the sun. Slowed down by gas, the planet settled into a distant elliptical orbit, where it still lurks today.The claim is the strongest yet in the centuries-long search for a “Planet X� beyond Neptune. The quest has been plagued by far-fetched claims and even outright quackery. But the new evidence comes from a pair of respected planetary scientists, Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena, who prepared for the inevitable skepticism with detailed analyses of the orbits of other distant objects and months of computer simulations. “If you say, ‘We have evidence for Planet X,’ almost any astronomer will say, ‘This again? These guys are clearly crazy.’ I would, too,� Brown says. “Why is this different? This is different because this time we’re right.� Mike Brown (left) and Konstantin Batygin.Mike Brown (left) and Konstantin Batygin.LANCE HAYASHIDA/CALTECHOutside scientists say their calculations stack up and express a mixture of caution and excitement about the result. “I could not imagine a bigger deal if—and of course that’s a boldface ‘if’—if it turns out to be right,� says Gregory Laughlin, a planetary scientist at the University of California (UC), Santa Cruz. “What’s thrilling about it is [the planet] is detectable.�Batygin and Brown inferred its presence from the peculiar clustering of six previously known objects that orbit beyond Neptune. They say there’s only a 0.007% chance, or about one in 15,000, that the clustering could be a coincidence. Instead, they say, a planet with the mass of 10 Earths has shepherded the six objects into their strange elliptical orbits, tilted out of the plane of the solar system.The orbit of the inferred planet is similarly tilted, as well as stretched to distances that will explode previous conceptions of the solar system. Its closest approach to the sun is seven times farther than Neptune, or 200 astronomical units (AUs). (An AU is the distance between Earth and the sun, about 150 million kilometers.) And Planet X could roam as far as 600 to 1200 AU, well beyond the Kuiper belt, the region of small icy worlds that begins at Neptune’s edge about 30 AU.If Planet X is out there, Brown and Batygin say, astronomers ought to find more objects in telltale orbits, shaped by the pull of the hidden giant. But Brown knows that no one will really believe in the discovery until Planet X itself appears within a telescope viewfinder. “Until there’s a direct detection, it’s a hypothesis—even a potentially very good hypothesis,� he says. The team has time on the one large telescope in Hawaii that is suited for the search, and they hope other astronomers will join in the hunt.Killing Pluto was fun, but this is head and shoulders above everything else. Mike Brown, CaltechBatygin and Brown published the result today in The Astronomical Journal. Alessandro Morbidelli, a planetary dynamicist at the Nice Observatory in France, performed the peer review for the paper. In a statement, he says Batygin and Brown made a “very solid argument� and that he is “quite convinced by the existence of a distant planet.�Championing a new ninth planet is an ironic role for Brown; he is better known as a planet slayer. His 2005 discovery of Eris, a remote icy world nearly the same size as Pluto, revealed that what was seen as the outermost planet was just one of many worlds in the Kuiper belt. Astronomers promptly reclassified Pluto as a dwarf planet—a saga Brown recounted in his book How I Killed Pluto.Now, he has joined the centuries-old search for new planets. His method—inferring the existence of Planet X from its ghostly gravitational effects—has a respectable track record. In 1846, for example, the French mathematician Urbain Le Verrier predicted the existence of a giant planet from irregularities in the orbit of Uranus. Astronomers at the Berlin Observatory found the new planet, Neptune, where it was supposed to be, sparking a media sensation.Remaining hiccups in Uranus’s orbit led scientists to think that there might yet be one more planet, and in 1906 Percival Lowell, a wealthy tycoon, began the search for what he called “Planet X� at his new observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona. In 1930, Pluto turned up—but it was far too small to tug meaningfully on Uranus. More than half a century later, new calculations based on measurements by the Voyager spacecraft revealed that the orbits of Uranus and Neptune were just fine on their own: No Planet X was needed.Yet the allure of Planet X persisted. In the 1980s, for example, researchers proposed that an unseen brown dwarf star could cause periodic extinctions on Earth by triggering fusillades of comets. In the 1990s, scientists invoked a Jupiter-sized planet at the solar system’s edge to explain the origin of certain oddball comets. Just last month, researchers claimed to have detected the faint microwave glow of an outsized rocky planet some 300 AU away, using an array of telescope dishes in Chile called the Atacama Large Millimeter Array (ALMA). (Brown was one of many skeptics, noting that ALMA’s narrow field of view made the chances of finding such an object vanishingly slim.)Brown got his first inkling of his current quarry in 2003, when he led a team that found Sedna, an object a bit smaller than both Eris and Pluto. Sedna’s odd, far-flung orbit made it the most distant known object in the solar system at the time. Its perihelion, or closest point to the sun, lay at 76 AU, beyond the Kuiper belt and far outside the influence of Neptune’s gravity. The implication was clear: Something massive, well beyond Neptune, must have pulled Sedna into its distant orbit.(DATA) JPL; BATYGIN AND BROWN/CALTECH; (DIAGRAM) A. CUADRA/SCIENCEThat something didn’t have to be a planet. Sedna’s gravitational nudge could have come from a passing star, or from one of the many other stellar nurseries that surrounded the nascent sun at the time of the solar system’s formation.Since then, a handful of other icy objects have turned up in similar orbits. By combining Sedna with five other weirdos, Brown says he has ruled out stars as the unseen influence: Only a planet could explain such strange orbits. Of his three major discoveries—Eris, Sedna, and now, potentially, Planet X—Brown says the last is the most sensational. “Killing Pluto was fun. Finding Sedna was scientifically interesting,� he says. “But this one, this is head and shoulders above everything else.�Brown and Batygin were nearly beaten to the punch. For years, Sedna was a lone clue to a perturbation from beyond Neptune. Then, in 2014, Scott Sheppard and Chad Trujillo (a former graduate student of Brown’s) published a paper describing the discovery of VP113, another object that never comes close to the sun. Sheppard, of the Carnegie Institution for Science in Washington, D.C., and Trujillo, of the Gemini Observatory in Hawaii, were well aware of the implications. They began to examine the orbits of the two objects along with 10 other oddballs. They noticed that, at perihelion, all came very near the plane of solar system in which Earth orbits, called the ecliptic. In a paper, Sheppard and Trujillo pointed out the peculiar clumping and raised the possibility that a distant large planet had herded the objects near the ecliptic. But they didn’t press the result any further.Later that year, at Caltech, Batygin and Brown began discussing the results. Plotting the orbits of the distant objects, Batygin says, they realized that the pattern that Sheppard and Trujillo had noticed “was only half of the story.� Not only were the objects near the ecliptic at perihelia, but their perihelia were physically clustered in space (see diagram, above).For the next year, the duo secretly discussed the pattern and what it meant. It was an easy relationship, and their skills complemented each other. Batygin, a 29-year-old whiz kid computer modeler, went to college at UC Santa Cruz for the beach and the chance to play in a rock band. But he made his mark there by modeling the fate of the solar system over billions of years, showing that, in rare cases, it was unstable: Mercury may plunge into the sun or collide with Venus. “It was an amazing accomplishment for an undergraduate,� says Laughlin, who worked with him at the time.Brown, 50, is the observational astronomer, with a flair for dramatic discoveries and the confidence to match. He wears shorts and sandals to work, puts his feet up on his desk, and has a breeziness that masks intensity and ambition. He has a program all set to sift for Planet X in data from a major telescope the moment they become publicly available later this year.Their offices are a few doors down from each other. “My couch is nicer, so we tend to talk more in my office,� Batygin says. “We tend to look more at data in Mike’s.� They even became exercise buddies, and discussed their ideas while waiting to get in the water at a Los Angeles, California, triathlon in the spring of 2015.First, they winnowed the dozen objects studied by Sheppard and Trujillo to the six most distant—discovered by six different surveys on six different telescopes. That made it less likely that the clumping might be due to an observation bias such as pointing a telescope at a particular part of the sky.Batygin began seeding his solar system models with Planet X’s of various sizes and orbits, to see which version best explained the objects’ paths. Some of the computer runs took months. A favored size for Planet X emerged—between five and 15 Earth masses—as well as a preferred orbit: antialigned in space from the six small objects, so that its perihelion is in the same direction as the six objects’ aphelion, or farthest point from the sun. The orbits of the six cross that of Planet X, but not when the big bully is nearby and could disrupt them. The final epiphany came 2 months ago, when Batygin’s simulations showed that Planet X should also sculpt the orbits of objects that swoop into the solar system from above and below, nearly orthogonal to the ecliptic. “It sparked this memory,� Brown says. “I had seen these objects before.� It turns out that, since 2002, five of these highly inclined Kuiper belt objects have been discovered, and their origins are largely unexplained. “Not only are they there, but they are in exactly the places we predicted,� Brown says. “That is when I realized that this is not just an interesting and good idea—this is actually real.�Sheppard, who with Trujillo had also suspected an unseen planet, says Batygin and Brown “took our result to the next level. …They got deep into the dynamics, something that Chad and I aren’t really good with. That’s why I think this is exciting.�Others, like planetary scientist Dave Jewitt, who discovered the Kuiper belt, are more cautious. The 0.007% chance that the clustering of the six objects is coincidental gives the planet claim a statistical significance of 3.8 sigma—beyond the 3-sigma threshold typically required to be taken seriously, but short of the 5 sigma that is sometimes used in fields like particle physics. That worries Jewitt, who has seen plenty of 3-sigma results disappear before. By reducing the dozen objects examined by Sheppard and Trujillo to six for their analysis, Batygin and Brown weakened their claim, he says. “I worry that the finding of a single new object that is not in the group would destroy the whole edifice,� says Jewitt, who is at UC Los Angeles. “It’s a game of sticks with only six sticks.� Feature: Astronomers say a Neptune-sized planet lurks unseen in the solar system(IMAGES) WIKIMEDIA COMMONS; NASA/JPL-CALTECH; A. CUADRA/SCIENCE; NASA/JHUAPL/SWRI; (DIAGRAM) A. CUADRA/SCIENCEAt first blush, another potential problem comes from NASA’s Widefield Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE), a satellite that completed an all-sky survey looking for the heat of brown dwarfs—or giant planets. It ruled out the existence of a Saturn-or-larger planet as far out as 10,000 AU, according to a 2013 study by Kevin Luhman, an astronomer at Pennsylvania State University, University Park. But Luhman notes that if Planet X is Neptune-sized or smaller, as Batygin and Brown say, WISE would have missed it. He says there is a slim chance of detection in another WISE data set at longer wavelengths—sensitive to cooler radiation—which was collected for 20% of the sky. Luhman is now analyzing those data.Even if Batygin and Brown can convince other astronomers that Planet X exists, they face another challenge: explaining how it ended up so far from the sun. At such distances, the protoplanetary disk of dust and gas was likely to have been too thin to fuel planet growth. And even if Planet X did get a foothold as a planetesimal, it would have moved too slowly in its vast, lazy orbit to hoover up enough material to become a giant.Instead, Batygin and Brown propose that Planet X formed much closer to the sun, alongside Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. Computer models have shown that the early solar system was a tumultuous billiards table, with dozens or even hundreds of planetary building blocks the size of Earth bouncing around. Another embryonic giant planet could easily have formed there, only to be booted outward by a gravitational kick from another gas giant.It’s harder to explain why Planet X didn’t either loop back around to where it started or leave the solar system entirely. But Batygin says that residual gas in the protoplanetary disk might have exerted enough drag to slow the planet just enough for it to settle into a distant orbit and remain in the solar system. That could have happened if the ejection took place when the solar system was between 3 million and 10 million years old, he says, before all the gas in the disk was lost into space.Hal Levison, a planetary dynamicist at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, agrees that something has to be creating the orbital alignment Batygin and Brown have detected. But he says the origin story they have developed for Planet X and their special pleading for a gas-slowed ejection add up to “a low-probability event.� Other researchers are more positive. The proposed scenario is plausible, Laughlin says. “Usually things like this are wrong, but I’m really excited about this one,� he says. “It’s better than a coin flip.�All this means that Planet X will remain in limbo until it is actually found.Astronomers have some good ideas about where to look, but spotting the new planet won’t be easy. Because objects in highly elliptical orbits move fastest when they are close to the sun, Planet X spends very little time at 200 AU. And if it were there right now, Brown says, it would be so bright that astronomers probably would have already spotted it.Instead, Planet X is likely to spend most of its time near aphelion, slowly trotting along at distances between 600 and 1200 AU. Most telescopes capable of seeing a dim object at such distances, such as the Hubble Space Telescope or the 10-meter Keck telescopes in Hawaii, have extremely tiny fields of view. It would be like looking for a needle in a haystack by peering through a drinking straw.One telescope can help: Subaru, an 8-meter telescope in Hawaii that is owned by Japan. It has enough light-gathering area to detect such a faint object, coupled with a huge field of view—75 times larger than that of a Keck telescope. That allows astronomers to scan large swaths of the sky each night. Batygin and Brown are using Subaru to look for Planet X—and they are coordinating their efforts with their erstwhile competitors, Sheppard and Trujillo, who have also joined the hunt with Subaru. Brown says it will take about 5 years for the two teams to search most of the area where Planet X could be lurking. The 8-meter Subaru Telescope atop Mauna Kea in Hawaii has a large field of view—enabling it to search efficiently for Planet X.The 8-meter Subaru Telescope atop Mauna Kea in Hawaii has a large field of view—enabling it to search efficiently for Planet X.Subaru Telescope, NAOJIf the search pans out, what should the new member of the sun’s family be called? Brown says it’s too early to worry about that and scrupulously avoids offering up suggestions. For now, he and Batygin are calling it Planet Nine (and, for the past year, informally, Planet Phattie—1990s slang for “cool�). Brown notes that neither Uranus nor Neptune—the two planets discovered in modern times—ended up being named by their discoverers, and he thinks that that’s probably a good thing. It’s bigger than any one person, he says: “It’s kind of like finding a new continent on Earth.�He is sure, however, that Planet X—unlike Pluto—deserves to be called a planet. Something the size of Neptune in the solar system? Don’t even ask. “No one would argue this one, not even me.�):


http://www.sott.net/image/s14/296844/full/Orbits_1280_PlanetX2.jpg


[...]



All this means that Planet X will remain in limbo until it is actually found.

Astronomers have some good ideas about where to look, but spotting the new planet won't be easy. Because objects in highly elliptical orbits move fastest when they are close to the sun, Planet X spends very little time at 200 AU. And if it were there right now, Brown says, it would be so bright that astronomers probably would have already spotted it.

Instead, Planet X is likely to spend most of its time near aphelion, slowly trotting along at distances between 600 and 1200 AU. Most telescopes capable of seeing a dim object at such distances, such as the Hubble Space Telescope or the 10-meter Keck telescopes in Hawaii, have extremely tiny fields of view. It would be like looking for a needle in a haystack by peering through a drinking straw.

One telescope can help: Subaru, an 8-meter telescope in Hawaii that is owned by Japan. It has enough light-gathering area to detect such a faint object, coupled with a huge field of view—75 times larger than that of a Keck telescope. That allows astronomers to scan large swaths of the sky each night. Batygin and Brown are using Subaru to look for Planet X—and they are coordinating their efforts with their erstwhile competitors, Sheppard and Trujillo, who have also joined the hunt with Subaru. Brown says it will take about 5 years for the two teams to search most of the area where Planet X could be lurking.

[...]



http://www.sott.net/image/s14/296845/full/Timeline_Planet_20X_Final.jpg

[Hervé]

From the Nature Journal's article:

Evidence grows for giant planet on fringes of Solar System (http://www.nature.com/news/evidence-grows-for-giant-planet-on-fringes-of-solar-system-1.19182?WT.mc_id=FBK_NatureNews)

Alexandra Witze, Nature (http://www.nature.com/news/evidence-grows-for-giant-planet-on-fringes-of-solar-system-1.19182?WT.mc_id=FBK_NatureNews) Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:38 UTC
Gravitational signature hints at massive object that orbits the Sun every 20,000 years.

http://www.sott.net/image/s14/296795/large/Planet_209_20Art.jpg (http://www.sott.net/image/s14/296795/full/Planet_209_20Art.jpg)
© Caltech/R. Hurt (IPAC), This artist's conception shows the view from (hypothetical) Planet Nine back towards the Sun


A century after observatory founder Percival Lowell speculated that a 'Planet X' lurks (http://www.nature.com/news/pluto-s-long-strange-history-in-pictures-1.16910) at the fringes of the Solar System, astronomers say that they have the best evidence yet for such a world. They call it Planet Nine.

Orbital calculations suggest that Planet Nine, if it exists, is about ten times the mass of Earth and swings an elliptical path around the Sun once every 10,000 - 20,000 years. It would never get closer than about 200 times the Earth - Sun distance, or 200 astronomical units (au). That range would put it far beyond Pluto, in the realm of icy bodies known as the Kuiper belt.

No one has seen Planet Nine, but researchers have inferred its existence from the way several other Kuiper belt objects (KBOs) move. And given the history of speculation about distant planets (see 'Solving for X' (http://www.nature.com/news/evidence-grows-for-giant-planet-on-fringes-of-solar-system-1.19182?WT.mc_id=FBK_NatureNews#graphic)), Planet Nine may end up in the dustbin of good ideas gone wrong.

Solving for X

Astronomers have long speculated about the existence of additional large planets in the outer Solar System, but none has yet been confirmed.

1846 Johann Gottfried Galle discovers Neptune, guided by predictions from perturbations of Uranus's orbit.

1905 Percival Lowell (pictured) starts hunting for a 'Planet X', which he predicted would lie beyond Neptune, just as Neptune lies beyond Uranus. His calculations led astronomers at Lowell's namesake observatory to find Pluto in 1930, but the object is not massive enough to be Planet X.

1984 On the basis of periodic extinctions in the fossil record, scientists propose that a dwarf star, later named Nemesis, passes through the Solar System every 26 million years, flinging comets on a path to impact Earth.

1999 Perturbations in comet orbits lead astronomers to propose that a brown dwarf (bigger than a planet but smaller than a star) exists in the outer Solar System. It is named Tyche, the good sister of Nemesis.

2014 A search with the Wide-Field Infrared Survey Explorer satellite rules out the existence of both Nemesis and Tyche. But the discovery of an object in the distant Kuiper belt prompts Chadwick Trujillo and Scott Sheppard to propose a large planet in the Kuiper belt.

2016 Orbital calculations by Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown strengthen the concept of this unseen planet, which they name 'Planet Nine'. "If I read this paper out of the blue, my first reaction would be that it was crazy," says Mike Brown, an astronomer at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena who was part of the research team. "But if you look at the evidence and statistics, it's very hard to come away with any other conclusion."

Brown and his colleague Konstantin Batygin propose Planet Nine in a paper published on 20 January in the Astronomical Journal (K. Batygin and M. E. Brown Astronom. J. 151, 22; 2016 (http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/0004-6256/151/2/22/meta)).

Alessandro Morbidelli, an orbital-dynamics specialist at the University of the Côte d'Azur in Nice, France, who has reviewed the paper in detail, says he is "quite convinced" that the planet exists. Others are not so sure.

"I have seen many, many such claims in my career," says Hal Levison, a planetary scientist at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado. "And all of them have been wrong."

Claims of Planet Nine's existence recall a period in the nineteenth century when astronomers predicted and then discovered Neptune by studying tiny perturbations in the orbit of Uranus. The gravity of some unseen body must be tugging on Uranus, they said — and they were right. "In some sense we're hoping to relive history a little bit," says Batygin.

The story of Planet Nine began in 2014, when a pair of astronomers reported finding a KBO called 2012 VP113 (http://www.nature.com/news/dwarf-planet-stretches-solar-system-s-edge-1.14921). Its stretched-out orbit never came closer than 80 au to the Sun (C. A. Trujillo and S. S. Sheppard Nature 507, 471 - 474; 2014 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature13156)). (Pluto, at its most distant, is 48 au from the Sun.) VP113 joined the dwarf planet Sedna (http://www.nature.com/news/2004/040315/full/news040315-1.html) as only the second known object with a very distant orbit. In their report, Chadwick Trujillo at the Gemini Observatory in Hilo, Hawaii, and Scott Sheppard of the Carnegie Institution for Science in Washington DC said that the orbits of these objects suggested that yet another object, a planet bigger than Earth, could exist at around 250 au (see 'Far afield' (http://www.nature.com/news/evidence-grows-for-giant-planet-on-fringes-of-solar-system-1.19182?WT.mc_id=FBK_NatureNews#graphic2)).


http://www.sott.net/image/s14/296798/full/Nature_News_Planet_20Nine_20or.jpg
© K. Batygin and M. E. Brown Astronom. J. 151, 22 (2016)

Batygin and Brown picked up the challenge. "Our main goal at that point was to show that this idea is crazy," says Brown.

But Trujillo and Sheppard had noted that Sedna, VP113, and several other KBOs all shared a peculiar property: their closest approach to the Sun lay in the plane of the Solar System, and they all moved from south to north when crossing that plane.

Batygin and Brown analysed the orbits further and discovered that their long axes were physically aligned, too, as if something had nudged them to occupy the same region of space around the Sun. The team concluded that a massive object must be shepherding the objects. "We have a gravitational signature of a giant planet in the outer Solar System," Batygin says.

Planet Nine — informally known as Phattie — is probably smaller than Neptune and icy with a gassy outer layer. The gravitational effect of Uranus and Neptune would have flung it outward in the first 3 million years of the Solar System's existence, Batygin says.

Actually spotting Planet Nine through a telescope could be difficult because it would spend most of its time very far from the Sun, making it faint and hard to see, notes Meg Schwamb, an astronomer at the Academia Sinica in Taipei. Brown and Batygin have been looking for it using the Subaru telescope in Hawaii, so far without success. The Large Synoptic Survey Telescope in Chile (http://www.nature.com/news/cosmic-survey-finds-global-appeal-1.11021) will have a good chance of catching it when it starts operating early next decade, Brown says.

But he and Batygin say that there are other ways to test the existence of Planet Nine. Its gravitational influence would also produce a population of KBOs with orbits at steeply inclined angles. A few of these have already been spotted, but discovering more would strengthen the statistics of the discovery and help to clarify whether Planet Nine really exists or not, says David Nesvorny, a planetary scientist at the Southwest Research Institute. So it's back to the telescopes. "It really points to the fact that more extreme KBOs need to be found," says Trujillo. "The location is not known well enough to just point a telescope at it and say, 'there it is'."

Nature 529, 266 - 267 (21 January 2016) doi:10.1038/529266a


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See this thread for a discussion of that 20,000 - 24,000 year cycle/orbit: Nemesis, Tyche, Nibiru, Planet X, Brown Dwarf & Binary System: Myths & Realities (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities)

[Sunny-side-up]

Think this post might need merging whit this ongoing post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88333-Evidence-for-a-ninth-planet-in-our-solar-system&p=1039422#post1039422

[Hervé]

[...]
And of curse add the Suns spiral movement in our galaxy 0.o


C4V-ooITrws


This guy's (^^^)got a good grip on the subject except he is missing why our sun is traveling in an elliptical spiral in a similar fashion as planets do around it... i.e. that the sun is "orbiting" around a twin in a binary system. (Taken from Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities&p=656650&viewfull=1#post656650))

[Hervé]

[...]
I'm interested to see what the science of astrology has to say about this.

See this: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=1036521&viewfull=1#post1036521

[Bill Ryan]

Think this post might need merging with this ongoing post:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88333-Evidence-for-a-ninth-planet-in-our-solar-system&p=1039422#post1039422

Yes, threads merged. Interesting stuff, and many thanks to all. :thumbsup:

[Sunny-side-up]

[...]
And of curse add the Suns spiral movement in our galaxy 0.o


C4V-ooITrws


This guy's (^^^)got a good grip on the subject except he is missing why our sun is traveling in an elliptical spiral in a similar fashion as planets do around it... i.e. that the sun is "orbiting" around a twin in a binary system. (Taken from Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?57644-Nemesis-Tyche-Nibiru-Planet-X-Brown-Dwarf-Binary-System-Myths-Realities&p=656650&viewfull=1#post656650))



Thanks for that Hervé

What I orgiganally meant to say was:
And of curse (course) add our galaxy's movement in the Universe 0.o

How dose our Milkyway move? Not on a flat concentric way is it, yet more interaction and spiraling :sun:

Then, out of our determination, how dose our universe interact with other universes?

[aoibhghaire]

I posted under the Conspiracy Research section under subject 'Nibiru Again' by mistake. Here is on going scientific research for this large planet beyond the Edgeworth Kuiper Belt. See previous post in October 2015 'Conspiracy Research' subject 'Nibiru Again'? post #87 for a scientific theoretical and observational research.

It looks like there could be two planets Xs. This recent model (Feb 2016) indicating a close body in the inner Oort cloud and the other in the outer Oort Cloud. See Nibiru Again? post #87 for the Brown dwarf body in the outer Oort Cloud.

Assuming the planet is mainly emitting in the infrared, their have been infrared searches using the WISE telescope (Wide Field Infrared Survey Explorer).
Searches were conducted using WISE, but nothing found based at those distances on the criteria in this recent paper. The February paper proposes a gaseous planet. This should have showed up in the recent WISE survey at 22 microns. May be its rocky body with dim albedo. This would require a large optical to telescope get down to 28+ magnitude at that distance.

Among the WISE bands, W2 provides the best constraints on the presence of a companion to the Sun. Given the typical sensitivities achieved by WISE. W2 is capable of detecting objects at larger distances than W1, W3, and W4 for W1 − W2 > 1.2, W2 − W3 < 4.3, and W2 − W4 < 7.6, respectively. Although W1 offers higher S/N at W1 − W2 < 1.2, Any brown dwarf with that colour (T2) would be easily detected at W2 if it is within the range of plausible distances for a solar companion (<1 pc) based on the absolute magnitudes of L and T dwarfs (Dupuy & Liu 2012).

This is a huge survey to analyse based on the above parameters. However, it could be filtered down to specific type Brown Dwarf (BD) that may have its own planets. (Plajeren contact notes)

(I carried out recent data from W2 had 0.5 bn flux points with a FOV of 5 x 5 degrees resulted in 700 potential BDs). Applying WISE + ALLWISE + NEOWISE provides multiple epochs to potentially detect a shift

If a bound object is discovered by WISE, then it likely will explain the perceived Oort cloud comet anomaly and it will be a “Goldilocks” companion.
(Nibiru Again? post #87

Any promising observation that is recorded in the WISE database would be sent to narrow-field IR telescopes for detailed follow up observations to falsify or verify the Goldilocks criteria. Time frame ~ 1 year.

Using the WISE telescope (Wide Field Infrared Survey Explorer), I have been using T7 BD type body as Planet X within the outer Solar System. I have been using WISE W2 band which should enhance candidates in that region.

I have analysed 25 sq. degs.up to August 2015 and about to search 75 sq. degs. in Delphinus to the end of 2016

Using both WISE + ALLWISE + NEOWISE and comparison past catalogues 2MASS, SDSS and Spitzer. These will provide many epochs to see a reasonable shift of the proposed planet.

Besides using the conventional mechanistic information in science, I am using my own abilities consciously (Partnership with Nature Intelligence within a Co Creative Science method) to derive a location. I have also taken into consideration Billy Meier's Plajeren ET contact notes that have provided invaluable data.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Some more here...

It has been announced that there is at least one more planet in our solar system, possibly two.

I first heard about this (as an official announcement, not as a suggestion from alternative news sites) on Wednesday evening whilst watching the last few minutes of the News. It was announced as a 'just released / late news' newsflash.

At the time I was stunned. It HAS to mean something although exactly what remains to be seen.

My first thought was along the lines of other new planets being discovered at times important in human evolution.

****************************************

Scientists may have found Planet X -- the long-rumored object believed to be larger than Earth and further from the sun than Pluto.

Planet X and another object dubbed "Planet Y," are among 13 "extreme trans-Neptunian objects" (ETNOs) orbiting the sun at great distances, according to a report in Space, which quoted a new research paper.

They are believed to follow elliptical paths averaging about 200 astronomical units (AU) from the sun. Earth is 1 AU, or 93 million miles, from the sun.

"This excess of objects with unexpected orbital parameters makes us believe that some invisible forces are altering the distribution of the orbital elements of the ETNOs, and we consider that the most probable explanation is that other unknown planets exist beyond Neptune and Pluto," lead author Carlos de la Fuente Marcos, of the Complutense University of Madrid, said in a statement.

"The exact number is uncertain, given that the data that we have is limited, but our calculations suggest that there are at least two planets, and probably more, within the confines of our solar system," he added.

They are far enough away to be nearly impossible to spot with current instruments, according to Space.

Planet X was previously hypothesized in a 2014 research paper.

Called 2012 VP113, researchers Chadwick Trujillo and Scott Sheppard claimed that the object never came closer to the sun than 80 AU, according to Space.

The newly-found ETNO joins Sedna, a dwarf planet believed to be about 250 AU from the sun, as objects residing outside the Kuiper Belt, where Pluto resides, according to Space.

Pluto was only recently reclassified as a planet, albeit a Dwarf planet, after losing the distinction in 2006.

http://www.aol.com/article/2015/01/21/two-new-planets-bigger-than-earth-possibly-found-in-our-solar-system/21133080

Viking

[Verdilac]

Giant Earth shape planet 8 x's the size of earth, brings to mind: "As above, so it is below>" A sort of giant earth brother or sister or Mama or Papa? What if as it passes or crosses, it corrects or purifies a planet's germs? What if the planet's spirit to spirit connection for repair signals by vibration a pestulence poisoning the planet? Creator/God is good at what he creates and all systems respond. Hmmm, just a thought that needs a little more investigatory evidence before commenting. oooo this is very interesting.
On the other hand....
They already know, don't want the blame for not telling us in time to prepare, and want a average Joe Schmoe astronomer to discover it while claiming they didn't know because cuts were to harsh and they could only monitor X% of the space.(to increase space funding?
Gotta go research this a bit. If they are disclosing, best to be in the observation deck to see what games they play.

They already know, Maybe ,I was actually thinking the same thing down to a T, hand on heart.

I hope were both wrong but the story has hit every main MSM outlet in the past 24hours and they are running with it. As if to grease the wheels ,as it were.

I don't think your average astronomer would see it to be honest unless it was very close as there some things you just cant see as they don't reflect enough light to be picked up, a lot of people may be worried by the planets orbit and its effect on the planets around it.

If were to believe a 20.000 year orbit,when are the differences to be noticed & what are they, if any. Which presumably there will be if its as dense as they say it may be, with reference to apogee & perigee. All we ever seem to get is 1/4 or 1/2 of the information if were lucky which sends half the population to discount the information as irrelevant to them, Maybe its just me but I expect better with the technical equipment that they have at there disposal.:bigsmile:

[lucidity]

If I understand this correctly, this candidate Planet X, never comes even remotely close to Earth.
It's orbit is several times further away from us than Neptune,.... even at it's closest point.
And of-course, Neptune is the most distant planet... it is a very long way away.

If so, then this planet is a poor candidate for Nibiru.
We're expecting Nibiru's path to cut insider the path of Mars.
If Nibiru really exists, then i presume it must be a different planet.

[Cidersomerset]

Planet 9 in outer space: Scientists discover new celestial body on outskirts of solar system

WYprak0gFL8

Published on 20 Jan 2016


New evidence collected by astronomers and scientists out of the California Institute of Technology
shows a possible “giant, icy planet” on the outskirts of our solar system, calling it ‘Planet 9.’ RT’s
Manila Chan outlines how the new rock could replace Pluto.

[Cidersomerset]

pe-hyp92leY

Published on 20 Jan 2016


"There could be a new ninth planet floating beyond the dark edges of our solar system,
according to new research published in The Astronomical Journal from CalTech professors
Mike Brown and Konstantin Batygin.

Brown and Batygin think they’ve found a celestial body that would meet all of the requirements
for being classified as a planet. The researchers studied six small objects in the Kuiper belt and
noticed their orbits funneled toward the sun in a very specific formation. The likelihood of this
being a coincidence is slim to none. What researchers believe is that a new planet, unofficially
dubbed “Planet X,” is pulling these objects into its orbit."

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[Cidersomerset]

Planet X/Nibiru Arrival Date- Nibiru Prepper YOU NEED TO HEAR THIS NOW!

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Published on 27 Dec 2015

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[Verdilac]

What further intrigues me about this disclosure is the following.

They have worked out that there is some thing there by the effect it is having on other bodies in the solar system, but they haven't seen it yet, I say again "yet", and from what I have been lead to believe the 20.000 year obit may be elliptical and not concentric with the sun.

So, at what stage of its orbit is it currently in, what we are lead to believe its so far away it cant be see but it has an effect that can be detected and noticed by calculation so far away, so how big / dense is it?

Then you have to ask yourself what kind of effects could it have on other bodies & planets when it reaches the point in its orbit that is closest to the sun, albeit a long way off it still may be when this point is reached.

You guessed it, everyone is silent about this as maybe its too inconvenient.

I for 1 are tired of half stories from MSM & so called alternative media outlets that never have any proper follow up that cohesively match up with what has been formerly announced .

Yes it isn't the fabled Nibiru, but could the effect of this unknown quantity moving to edge of the solar system bring other things into play, these may only be words on a screen but nobody that has taken this into account has bothered to tell anyone so it leaks out to anyone that is genuinely interested in the everyday word of us mere mortals.

[justntime2learn]

I have been seeing more and more of these pictures and wondered what others thought. Are there more than 9 planets in our solar system at this time or more tom foolery?



2 hrs ago · Lawton, MI ·
In Lawton, Michigan. 2.4.16 at around 5:30pm. Visible for only a few minutes, then dissipated. ?

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=224076981267941&set=pcb.224079251267714&type=3
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12645251_224076981267941_8490749229901952369_n.jpg?oh=f4856ff94bd81a02cf0cc3b27d5d09be&oe=5740E9E2
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/12631336_224076994601273_1682273204317616215_n.jpg?oh=f985aa48c3409ddb015cae06cee6daa5&oe=57325A56
http://https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/v/t1.0-9/12688167_224077007934605_1061711922151869368_n.jpg?oh=35edc34b86238c326de0b4ce708f0031&oe=573A9D9A
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12647821_1673816362870905_784357215_n.jpg?oh=69c308e790b5675c747ac9e871f3a542&oe=56B6608C

[Bill Ryan]

more tom foolery?


Yep. :)

That looks VERY much like a reflection to me — the photo having been taken through glass.

Any large object like that, if it really was an astronomical body, would be visible not only to the photographer, but to 7 billion other people, including you and me, and every astronomer in the world, today and tomorrow and for months to come.

These things don't just appear and disappear... they can't.

[mojo]

Although a good question about 9 planets since Pluto was downgraded and didn't scientists mention they confirmed another planet?

[6pounder]

Is it possible that they might be preparing the public for the talked planet x? I mean that nibiru that may or may not exist? It feels like its all so convenient that so many are talking about this prophecy of the return of nibiru and the annunaki and now they declare that they might have found a 9th planet that it's orbit for some reason seems very much like the one in all the nibiru predictions around the internet... May be its one of their ways to make it to the public's eye in a way that is under their terms without saying "you were right"?

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Axman]

If it was real how would it be under the clouds would it not be above them?

The Axman

[Fellow Aspirant]

It didn't "dissipate" so much as 'evaporate'; I am sure that the blotch in the picture is a drop of water.

Cheers,

Brian

[Fellow Aspirant]

Although a good question about 9 planets since Pluto was downgraded and didn't scientists mention they confirmed another planet?

Yes. The announcement, on January 20, of a suspected new planet, caused quite a stir. Some even referred to it as 'Planet X' ...




Astronomers say a Neptune-sized planet lurks beyond Pluto

By Eric Hand Jan. 20, 2016 , 9:45 AM

The solar system appears to have a new ninth planet. Today, two scientists announced evidence that a body nearly the size of Neptune—but as yet unseen—orbits the sun every 15,000 years. During the solar system’s infancy 4.5 billion years ago, they say, the giant planet was knocked out of the planet-forming region near the sun. Slowed down by gas, the planet settled into a distant elliptical orbit, where it still lurks today.

The claim is the strongest yet in the centuries-long search for a “Planet X” beyond Neptune. The quest has been plagued by far-fetched claims and even outright quackery. But the new evidence comes from a pair of respected planetary scientists, Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena, who prepared for the inevitable skepticism with detailed analyses of the orbits of other distant objects and months of computer simulations. “If you say, ‘We have evidence for Planet X,’ almost any astronomer will say, ‘This again? These guys are clearly crazy.’ I would, too,” Brown says. “Why is this different? This is different because this time we’re right.”
Mike Brown (left) and Konstantin Batygin.

Mike Brown (left) and Konstantin Batygin.

LANCE HAYASHIDA/CALTECH

Outside scientists say their calculations stack up and express a mixture of caution and excitement about the result. “I could not imagine a bigger deal if—and of course that’s a boldface ‘if’—if it turns out to be right,” says Gregory Laughlin, a planetary scientist at the University of California (UC), Santa Cruz. “What’s thrilling about it is [the planet] is detectable.”

Batygin and Brown inferred its presence from the peculiar clustering of six previously known objects that orbit beyond Neptune. They say there’s only a 0.007% chance, or about one in 15,000, that the clustering could be a coincidence. Instead, they say, a planet with the mass of 10 Earths has shepherded the six objects into their strange elliptical orbits, tilted out of the plane of the solar system.

The orbit of the inferred planet is similarly tilted, as well as stretched to distances that will explode previous conceptions of the solar system. Its closest approach to the sun is seven times farther than Neptune, or 200 astronomical units (AUs). (An AU is the distance between Earth and the sun, about 150 million kilometers.) And Planet X could roam as far as 600 to 1200 AU, well beyond the Kuiper belt, the region of small icy worlds that begins at Neptune’s edge about 30 AU.

If Planet X is out there, Brown and Batygin say, astronomers ought to find more objects in telltale orbits, shaped by the pull of the hidden giant. But Brown knows that no one will really believe in the discovery until Planet X itself appears within a telescope viewfinder. “Until there’s a direct detection, it’s a hypothesis—even a potentially very good hypothesis,” he says. The team has time on the one large telescope in Hawaii that is suited for the search, and they hope other astronomers will join in the hunt.

Killing Pluto was fun, but this is head and shoulders above everything else.
Mike Brown, Caltech

Batygin and Brown published the result today in The Astronomical Journal. Alessandro Morbidelli, a planetary dynamicist at the Nice Observatory in France, performed the peer review for the paper. In a statement, he says Batygin and Brown made a “very solid argument” and that he is “quite convinced by the existence of a distant planet.”

Championing a new ninth planet is an ironic role for Brown; he is better known as a planet slayer. His 2005 discovery of Eris, a remote icy world nearly the same size as Pluto, revealed that what was seen as the outermost planet was just one of many worlds in the Kuiper belt. Astronomers promptly reclassified Pluto as a dwarf planet—a saga Brown recounted in his book How I Killed Pluto.

Now, he has joined the centuries-old search for new planets. His method—inferring the existence of Planet X from its ghostly gravitational effects—has a respectable track record. In 1846, for example, the French mathematician Urbain Le Verrier predicted the existence of a giant planet from irregularities in the orbit of Uranus. Astronomers at the Berlin Observatory found the new planet, Neptune, where it was supposed to be, sparking a media sensation.

Remaining hiccups in Uranus’s orbit led scientists to think that there might yet be one more planet, and in 1906 Percival Lowell, a wealthy tycoon, began the search for what he called “Planet X” at his new observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona. In 1930, Pluto turned up—but it was far too small to tug meaningfully on Uranus. More than half a century later, new calculations based on measurements by the Voyager spacecraft revealed that the orbits of Uranus and Neptune were just fine on their own: No Planet X was needed.

Yet the allure of Planet X persisted. In the 1980s, for example, researchers proposed that an unseen brown dwarf star could cause periodic extinctions on Earth by triggering fusillades of comets. In the 1990s, scientists invoked a Jupiter-sized planet at the solar system’s edge to explain the origin of certain oddball comets. Just last month, researchers claimed to have detected the faint microwave glow of an outsized rocky planet some 300 AU away, using an array of telescope dishes in Chile called the Atacama Large Millimeter Array (ALMA). (Brown was one of many skeptics, noting that ALMA’s narrow field of view made the chances of finding such an object vanishingly slim.)

Brown got his first inkling of his current quarry in 2003, when he led a team that found Sedna, an object a bit smaller than both Eris and Pluto. Sedna’s odd, far-flung orbit made it the most distant known object in the solar system at the time. Its perihelion, or closest point to the sun, lay at 76 AU, beyond the Kuiper belt and far outside the influence of Neptune’s gravity. The implication was clear: Something massive, well beyond Neptune, must have pulled Sedna into its distant orbit.

(DATA) JPL; BATYGIN AND BROWN/CALTECH; (DIAGRAM) A. CUADRA/SCIENCE


source: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/feature-astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-unseen-solar-system

[MorningFox]

It's a lens flare.

[Julian]

I have no opinion about the photograph shown above but am stunned that people aren't talking about the clear and obvious approach of Nibiru and the system of which it is a part. Check out the videos on this site. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzgiy1ILy6_jwdG3nxrW-nQ. Olson feels compelled to put his Christian religious stuff out there from time to time but putting that aside he is doing a good job of pulling together the observation data on what is clearly an approaching mini solar system. Some of the footage showing up from the International Space Station is very strong and leaves no doubt this is heading our way.

Alex Collier provided a time table at 38:45 in this interview. http://www.alexcollier.org/alex-collier-open-your-mind-oym-radio-january-10th-2016/

It's obvious this is incoming. I'm totally perplexed why no one here is talking about it.

[Sunny-side-up]

more tom foolery?


Yep. :)

That looks VERY much like a reflection to me — the photo having been taken through glass.

Any large object like that, if it really was an astronomical body, would be visible not only to the photographer, but to 7 billion other people, including you and me, and every astronomer in the world, today and tomorrow and for months to come.

These things don't just appear and disappear... they can't.

And not to mention the massive gravitational effect of such an object so near!
Unless it's a phased planet not quite in our vib/dimension?
If you believe that such an effect could be so, well anything is possible?

But yes to me I see a lens flare effect!

[Billy]

It didn't "dissipate" so much as 'evaporate'; I am sure that the blotch in the picture is a drop of water.

Cheers,

Brian

I agree. It is some sort of blip on the lense. A particle of dust or moisture. The electric cables should be clearly visible in the forefront, they are not.

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[MorningFox]

Move along people, nothing to see here

:rolleyes:

[DeDukshyn]

Wow in front of the clouds ... that chunk of cheese is just a few miles away .... ;)

[sirdipswitch]

Hey folks!!! The power lines are "BEHIND" that thing!!!!!!

"Planet"???????? Riiiigggghhhhtt!!!!:wizard:

[AriG]

32821The morning was frigid. The view was stunning. Alas, I take yet another photo of my world from my back deck. Is this an object or something else? The photo was taken outdoors.

[Cidersomerset]

Scientists may have found "true" ninth planet

RGNSAg62bAU

Published on 20 Jan 2016


Astronomers may have discovered evidence of an unseen planet in the farthest
reaches of our solar system, almost 10 years after Pluto was demoted. Michael
Lemonick is a writer for Scientific American, and joins CBSN to discuss this surprising find.

[Ricker]

The position of the camera in comparison to the position of the sun tells me its lens glare.
Just my .02


Ricker

[mojo]

The story made the Yahoo homepage. Is this the smoking gun for Planet X? Whatever the case it seems like a slow trickle to finally hear the truth by officials.

http://www.space.com/31670-planet-nine-solar-system-discovery.html

[Chip]

I can't speak for others, but I can't engage in this anymore. I don't understand how anyone can come to any rational reasoning that for the past 10 years all these anomalies next to the sun aren't getting any closer or being seen by anyone of the 10's of thousands of amateur astronomers. i travel around the world literally on a monthly basis, am sitting in my Hotel in Oakland after a 10:20 flight from Shanghai (currently exhausted). I see the sun rise and set all over the hemisphere and from 45000 feet it's quite the view. I've never seen anything! And I'm always looking!
This will probably be my last ever reply to this topic.
No offense but just experience

[Bill Ryan]

I can't speak for others, but I can't engage in this anymore. I don't understand how anyone can come to any rational reasoning that for the past 10 years all these anomalies next to the sun aren't getting any closer or being seen by anyone of the 10's of thousands of amateur astronomers. i travel around the world literally on a monthly basis, am sitting in my Hotel in Oakland after a 10:20 flight from Shanghai (currently exhausted). I see the sun rise and set all over the hemisphere and from 45000 feet it's quite the view. I've never seen anything! And I'm always looking!
This will probably be my last ever reply to this topic.
No offense but just experience

Amen to that. :)

In case newer members don't know, Chip is a highly qualified and experienced pilot (this is his job) — he's not talking about being a passenger here. In the cockpit, while of course it's a critically important job, 90% of the time there really isn't a lot to do except sit back and monitor everything. And you're looking out of something that's pretty much like a car windshield, with an excellent (and sometimes spectacular) all-round view.

The nonsense about something close to the sun is a distraction from the more serious conversation about a possible, real planet, way out there still, that may well be an actuality. It discredits serious conversation, and discourages serious people — like Chip, who knows what he's talking about here.

[regnak]

.... truthfully not sure :silent:

[Inversion]

Earth supposedly has a dark twin that shares our orbit, but it's on the opposite side of the sun and that's why we never see it. I heard it is/was catching up with us. According to Corey Goode the Sphere Beings have ships in our solar system that range from moon to Jupiter sized.

http://yowusa.com/planetx/2014/planetx-2014-11b/giant-body-capture.jpg

[ghostrider]

Don't know about the pictures but, the plejaren say there are two more planets yet to be officially announced, one I believe has been found, leaving one more to go ...

[Bill Ryan]

http://yowusa.com/planetx/2014/planetx-2014-11b/giant-body-capture.jpg

That image comes from a secureteam10 YouTube video... not to be trusted (at all). secureteam10 has a history of posting hoaxes and inventions. mojo (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?4164-mojo) will confirm. That particular video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWCvt6t_54M) (now removed by secureteam10) was one of their many fabrications:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8EmV2UPhFs


Earth supposedly has a dark twin that shares our orbit, but it's on the opposite side of the sun and that's why we never see it.That's astrophysically impossible.


According to Corey Goode the Sphere Beings have ships in our solar system that range from moon to Jupiter sized.As best I recall, he referred to 100 Neptune-sized ships. (Jupiter is even bigger)

Here's the size of Neptune, with the Earth alongside it:

http://bigbangpage.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/8d2dd1e897f5bad6071ef7a163c06e86.jpg

So (this is a rhetorical question!): How could 100 of those remain undetected?

This has already been extensively discussed:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80400-Blue-Avians

If you're sharing your thoughts (which is always welcome), please


Carefully check the reliability of your sources, and also
Quote the sources for your information. ('Supposedly' doesn't really cut it for research purposes. :) )

THX. :thumbsup:

[mojo]

Hi and unfortunately there is no need to doubt if it is real or not if the source is Tyler from the channel of Secureteam 10. To be honest that story and photo also caught my attention but saved myself any doubt when clicking the link and where it came from. Truly wish he cared for the amazing subject of UFOs.

Here's the likely reason he does it...= clickbait and ad revenue
The top of the list=*Secureteam10: 640,000 subs
top hoaxers of the hoax list:
IUFOsightings: unknown subscribers
section51: 19,000 subs
Looknowtv: 77,000 subs
NDestinationsUnknown: now closed and new channel IUFOsightings
Thirdphaseofmoon: 294,000 subs
Darkskywatcher74: 79,000 subs

Here's a well done video showing the hoaxing...
HfRZQxgeP3o

[mgray]

I assume this is not a thing since it appeared on my papers web site.

Plant 9, newly discovered, can cause great harm to Earth (http://nypost.com/video/a-killer-planet-is-rapidly-heading-towards-earth/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow).

[Bill Ryan]

Planet 9, newly discovered, can cause great harm to Earth (http://nypost.com/video/a-killer-planet-is-rapidly-heading-towards-earth/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow).

Maybe! But if its orbital period is ~20,000 years, it's not going to be anywhere near here for thousands of years yet. :thumbsup:

[kevlar]

Planet Nine could be found by the end of the YEAR: Dark Energy Survey data is being used to identify the mysterious object 'tugging' on Nasa's Cassini
US astronomers said in January they may have found a ninth planet
Now researchers all over the world are trying to track it down
Gravitational 'tug' on Nasa's Cassini orbiting Saturn is being used
By luck, the Dark Energy Survey (DES) could also help find the planet
By ABIGAIL BEALL FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 11:20, 7 April 2016 | UPDATED: 15:32, 7 April 2016


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3527942/Planet-Nine-end-year-Results-Dark-Energy-Survey-used-identify-mysterious-object-tugging-Nasa-s-Cassini.html#ixzz45DpYWuRR
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[Kindred]

When I started 'waking up' about 5 years ago, I dived into the 'Cassiopeian Experiment' writings by Laura Knight-Jadczyk, when they still had all the excerpts available on the web. Unfortunately, that is not the case now.

After MUCH reading, I happened upon two gems, relevant to this thread.

1) The Sun is 1/2 of a binary system.
2) "perpendicularity will be restored" (relative to Earth's current tilt of 15 deg.)

That's about all I have.. but, after reading and watching many items, I STRONGLY believe that this issue is well known amongst the upper 'echelon' of humanity. In fact, in Bill Cooper's presentation at the 1985 MUFON conference, he alludes to the fact that the aliens with whom the military were in contact with, gave them stunning information that they could not believe, but shortly thereafter, the building of D.U.M.B. bases were begun in earnest, and continue to this day.

I also strongly feel there are other benevolent races who have tried to get us to take a more spiritual approach, as this is the Only means by which a catastrophe may be averted. Please see this recent post for further explanation:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89876-Urgent-message-for-all-starseeds-lightworkers-twin-flames-144k-healers-elders-wisdom-keepers&p=1059283&viewfull=1#post1059283

In Unity, Peace and Love

[Bill Ryan]

2) "perpendicularity will be restored" (relative to Earth's current tilt of 15 deg.)



Just a side note! That would not be a good thing. :)

We'd lose all our seasons, and the global ecosystem would be plunged into destructive chaos.

:focus:

[Verdilac]

Planet 9, newly discovered, can cause great harm to Earth (http://nypost.com/video/a-killer-planet-is-rapidly-heading-towards-earth/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow).

Maybe! But if its orbital period is ~20,000 years, it's not going to be anywhere near here for thousands of years yet. :thumbsup:

What if they are not being honest about where they think it is , after all Cassini has been part of the apparatus helping to work what they have found and it was launched around 19 years ago.

Granted it does take a while to get in position but It may bring into question the possible true role of Cassini apart from the fantastic pictures it takes.
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[Bill Ryan]

Cassini has been part of the apparatus helping to work what they have found and it was launched around 19 years ago.



Note that the math seemingly verifying its existence (and probable location) was all computer-calculated, based on observed gravitational anomalies in other objects. The position of other smaller bodies in the Kuiper Belt could only really be explained by the presence of a massive, unknown body also out there somewhere. 'Planet 9' itself hasn't been located or photographed yet. (Or if it has, we've not yet been told about it!)

[Verdilac]

Cassini has been part of the apparatus helping to work what they have found and it was launched around 19 years ago.



Note that the math seemingly verifying its existence (and probable location) was all computer-calculated, based on observed gravitational anomalies in other objects. The position of other smaller bodies in the Kuiper Belt could only really be explained by the presence of a massive, unknown body also out there somewhere. 'Planet 9' itself hasn't been located or photographed yet. (Or if it has, we've not yet been told about it!)

I stand corrected, I did actually think that Cassini was part of the apparatus .There may be more to Cassini than we think but you are correct Bill it wasn't my intention to mislead as I cannot find any reference to Cassini in the 1st wave of reports which is now bugging me as I was sure I heard the probe mentioned . I did however read the piece below a few days ago from Universe today that was published on the 6th, then a day or so later on the 8th NASA say the opposite .

http://www.universetoday.com/128273/mysterious-pull-cassini-probe-may-help-find-planet-nine/

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/saturn-spacecraft-not-affected-by-hypothetical-planet-9

It feels a little bit like being kept in the dark to a certain extent as Cassini is mentioned, I would like to know Universe todays source of information and the story behind it as these stories appear then NASA denies them then they vanish.

Also the same story was apparently mentioned on space.com, different groups have analysed information from the probe going back chronologically and found effects on the probe. Did they publish too soon before NASA sanctioned such a release?

The guy telling the information ,to his credit he as picked the story on space.com up & mentioned it M-accNo6AiA

I was quite certain Cassini was employed in the gathering or the information but as said above & in other posts they said it was all done by computer, is there anyone out there that remembers the 1st wave of reports mentioning Cassini or have I crossed my wires ?

I would like to get to the bottom of this and move forward.

[uzn]

Sience Article regarding calculations and the mass. Posted it already here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89810-The-Vatican-s-Upside-Down-Cross-mirrors-Planet-X-s-exit-from-Solar-System&p=1058188&viewfull=1#post1058188

[SilentFeathers]

The Location of Planet X - R.S. Harrington
Astronomical Journal (ISSN 0004-6256), vol. 96, Oct. 1988, p. 1476-1478. (http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1988AJ.....96.1476H)

I personally believe this "Planet 9" is the same object mentioned in the link above.....and the reason it is now becoming talked about about so much now is that "they" know it will soon be able to be seen and it can't be hidden and/or covered up any more.

I also believe the model 'they" are allowing to be released to the public is not accurate, nor is the orbital path accurate, nor is the time frame of its orbit.......since when have "they" ever told us the truth?!?!

The ancients had no political or greedy reasons to lie about this object as the scumbags do today...."they" know it will be seen soon so they have to come up with a new lie, especially showing that it will never come close to being a threat to Earth, basically saying "yes it's there, all will be fine, go back to sleep folk's".

Although this is just my opinion, if I am somewhat correct about this, that would mean it is a lot closer than "they" are letting on it is; notice in the model drawing that they are showing it being at about it's farthest distance from Earth?????? Another reason I think it's close.....(the rule of opposites apply when dealing with liars!).

Great thread by the way! ;)

[Cidersomerset]

New Evidence of Undiscovered, Mysterious Planet Nine Befuddles Astronomers

By David on 5 May 2016 GMT

‘For the second time this year, world-class astronomers claimed to have proven
the existence of Planet Nine despite being baffled about the planet’s genesis and
uncertainty of its present location.

On Tuesday, astronomers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
(CfA) presented new research pointing to the existence of an undiscovered ninth
planet in the Solar System.’

Read more: New Evidence of Undiscovered, Mysterious Planet Nine Befuddles Astronomers

http://sputniknews.com/world/20160504/1039030303/planet-solar-system-smithsonian-harvard.html

[Cidersomerset]

Planet 9 Explained and Explored with Astronomer Konstantin Batygin

eutrzvicjMs

Published on 27 Jan 2016


Planet 9 is the biggest astronomical “discovery” of recent memory, and the
process of calculating its existence is revealed with astronomer Konstantin
Batygin. When speculation of a large body of mass with an usual orbital
alignment was detected, astronomers took to computer simulations,
mathematical equations and a call to the public to discover the small
gassous giant on the fringes of our solar system. Batygin breaks down this
hypothesized planet that is estimated to be between 1 to 10 times the mass
of the Earth, along with the Kuiper Belt, the discovery of Neptune, and why
Dr. Mike Brown deemed Pluto no longer a planet in this episode of Antidote
hosted by Michael Parker.

GUEST BIO:
Coined the next “physics rock star” by Forbes, Konstantin Batygin immigrated
to the U.S. from Russia at age 13 and currently works as an Assistant Professor
of Planetary Sciences at Caltech. Batygin landed on the 2015 Forbes list of 30
scientists under 30 who are changing the world with an unprecedented record
of publishing 21 papers as first author. He's discovered planets in other solar
systems and solved a centuries-old puzzle: yes, it turns out eventually the
planets in the solar system will careen away from the sun. Batygin also plays
in a rock band.

ADD’L LINKS:
http://web.gps.caltech.edu/~kbatygin/...
https://www.gps.caltech.edu/content/k...
http://web.gps.caltech.edu/~kbatygin/...
www.thelip.tv
https://www.facebook.com/weareantidote
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuUJ...
Antidote Playlist on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTvQv...
Antidote Highlights Playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWarG...

EPISODE BREAKDOWN:
00:01 Welcoming Konstantin Batygin to Antidote.
01:19 Planet 9.
05:45 Locating Planet 9.
07:09 Naming the planet.
09:15 Early skepticism, Neptune and planet discovery.
11:29 Becoming an astronomer.
14:17 Planet 9’s orbit, the The Kuiper Belt and Sedna.
18:25 The Kuiper Belt.
21:35 Dr. Mike Brown, Pluto & gravitational dominance.
24:13 Working with Dr. Mike Brown.
25:39 The need for planet X & the planet paths of Neptune & Uranus.
28:35 Pushback and response from the scientific community.
30:28 How to find Planet 9 & the Subaru Telescope.
31:57 Architecting our solar system & Jupiter.
34:30 Binary systems and companion stars.
35:32 Spirituality and science.
37:04 Music & Motorhead.
38:08 Thank you and goodbye.

[Matina]

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2100700-mystery-object-in-weird-orbit-beyond-neptune-cannot-be-explained/ New kid on the block!

[mojo]

Are the majority of people agreeing that something like a planet x is indeed coming in? If we are accepting of this fact when will the PTB announce this fact? Or did they already leak official info? Will the mainstream pick up the story before we can actually see something coming in or will they be complicit with the elites time frame? If it is indeed coming in we should know for sure soon. Just heard too many naysayers to know what is the reality on this but leaning towards something coming.

[blackdog]

I skimmed the thread. Did anyone post anything about this:

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c73dd53ef016768b91023970b-pi

More articles here: http://yowusa.com/planetx/2012/planetx-2012-03a/1.shtml

[Harley]

This is a New and Most Interesting article.

Now, and much more significant than the explanation for the position of other smaller bodies in the Kuiper Belt, they believe they may have finally solved the puzzle for Solar Obliquity (the six-degree axial tilt of the Sun) which can only be explained in one of two ways – either as a result of an asymmetry that was present during the formation of Solar System, or because of an external source of gravity.


Elizabeth Bailey, CalTech:

We simulated the solar system’s motion. Planet 9 forces the solar system to slowly wobble. If Planet 9 is out there, we are in the process of wobbling right now, as we speak! But it happens very slowly, a few degrees tilt per billion years. Meanwhile the sun is not wobbling much, so it looks like the sun is tilted. A range of Planet 9 parameters cause exactly the configuration of the sun that we see today.

I'm beginning to believe now that all of this news about evidence of a Ninth Planet may be what I refer to as "A Slow Leak" - About something of which has been discovered/confirmed (by modern science) at least as far back as the 70s, and maybe more - of information which has been kept from the public.

After all this time keeping this information a secret one can only speculate on the reason WHY they would want to disclose it at this time. But I can tell you that they would NEVER-EVER admit to withholding and keeping secret such important information from the public, so therefore that's why it's being released as a 'New Discovery'.

Whenever people holler for 'Disclosure' for years and years, and (if/when) it ever comes, this is what you can expect: Always from the Present Tense (as a 'New Discovery', etc) and very little to nothing from the Past Tense (that which has been covered up and denied).

Anyway, please read through the article and also pay particular attention to the graphics (Some you have already seen, but not all).

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EVIDENCE CONTINUES TO MOUNT FOR NINTH PLANET (http://www.universetoday.com/131637/evidence-continues-mount-ninth-planet/#)

26 OCT 2016

http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1477608230.png

Ever since its existence was first proposed, the evidence for Planet 9 (http://www.universetoday.com/128550/know-theres-planet-9/) continues to mount. But of course, said evidence has been entirely indirect, consisting mostly of studies that show how the orbits of Trans-Neptunian Objects (http://www.planetary.org/explore/space-topics/plutos-neighborhood/) (TNOs) are consistent with a large object crossing their path. However, evidence is also emerging that comes from the center of the Solar System itself.

This latest line of evidence (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1607.03963v2.pdf) comes from Caltech, where researchers Elizabeth Bailey, Konstantin Batygin, and Michael E. Brown (the latter of whom were the ones who first proposed Planet 9’s existence) have published a new study linking solar obliquity to the existence of Planet 9. Essentially, they claim that the axial tilt of the Sun (6°) could be due to the gravitational influence a large planet with an extreme orbit.

To recap, the issue of Planet was first raised in 2014 (https://home.dtm.ciw.edu/users/sheppard/pub/TrujilloSheppard2014.pdf) by astronomers Scott Sheppard and Chadwick Trujillo. Noting the similarities in the orbits of distant Trans-Neptunian Objects (TNOs), they postulated that a massive object was likely influencing them. This was followed in 2016 by Konstantin Batygin and Michael E. Brown (http://www.universetoday.com/127800/could-planet-9-still-exist/) of Caltech suggesting that an undiscovered planet was the culprit.

http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1477598638.png

Calling this body Planet 9, they speculated that it had a mass 10 times greater than that of Earth, and took 20,000 years to complete a single orbit of our Sun. They also speculated that its orbit was tilted relative to the other planets of our Solar System, and extremely eccentric. And little by little, examinations of other Solar bodies have shown that Planet 9 is likely out there.

For the sake of their study – “Solar Obliquity Induced by Planet Nine (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1607.03963v2.pdf)“, which was recently published in the Astrophysical Journal (http://iopscience.iop.org/journal/0004-637X) – the research team (led by Bailey) looked to the obliquity of the Sun. As they state in their paper, the six-degree axial tilt of the Sun can only be explained in one of two ways – either as a result of an asymmetry that was present during the formation of Solar System, or because of an external source of gravity.

To test this hypothesis, Bailey, Batygin and Brown used an analytic model to test how interactions between Planet 9 and the rest of the Solar System would effect their orbits over the course of the last 4.5 billion years. As Elizabeth Bailey, a graduate student at Caltech’s Division of Geological and Planetary Sciences (http://www.gps.caltech.edu/) and the lead author on the paper, told Universe Today via email:


“We simulated the solar system’s motion. Planet 9 forces the solar system to slowly wobble. If Planet 9 is out there, we are in the process of wobbling right now, as we speak! But it happens very slowly, a few degrees tilt per billion years. Meanwhile the sun is not wobbling much, so it looks like the sun is tilted. A range of Planet 9 parameters cause exactly the configuration of the sun that we see today.

http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1477598910.png (http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Planet_Nine_animation.gif)
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In the end, they concluded that the Sun’s obliquity could only be explained by the influence of giant planet with an extreme orbit, one that is consistent with the characteristics attributed to Planet 9. In other words, the existence of Planet 9 offers an explanation for the Sun’s peculiar behavior, something which has remained a mystery until now.


“Planet Nine was first hypothesized because the orbits of objects in the outer reaches of the solar system are confined in physical space,” said Bailey. “Those orbits would be all over the place unless something is currently stopping them. The only explanation so far is Planet Nine. For over 150 years, people have wondered why the sun is tilted. Personally I’d say that Planet 9 offers the first satisfying explanation. If it exists, it tilted the sun.”

In addition, the subject of Planet 9 was also raised at the joint 48th meeting of the American Astronomical Society’s Division for Planetary Sciences (https://aas.org/meetings/dps48) and 11th European Planetary Science Congress, which took place from Oct 16th to 21st in Pasadena, California. During the course of the meeting, researchers from Arizona University shared the results of their own study (http://www.universetoday.com/127800/could-planet-9-still-exist/), which was published back in August.

The Arizona research team was led by Renu Malhotra, a Regents’ Professor of Planetary Sciences in the University of Arizona’s Lunar and Planetary Lab (https://www.lpl.arizona.edu/). For the sake of their study, titled “Corralling a Distant Planet with Extreme Resonant Kuiper Belt Objects (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1603.02196v3.pdf)“, they examined the orbital patterns of four extreme Kuiper Belt Objects (KBOs), which have the longest orbital periods of any known objects.

http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1477599758.png

According to their calculations, the presence of a massive planet – one that would complete an orbit around the Sun every 17,117 years, and at an average distance (semimajor axis) of 665 AU – would explain the orbital pattern of these four objects. These results were consistent with the estimates concerning the orbital period of Planet 9, its orbital path, and it mass.


“We analyzed the data of these most distant Kuiper Belt objects,” Malhotra said, “and noticed something peculiar, suggesting they were in some kind of resonances with an unseen planet… Our paper provides more specific estimates for the mass and orbit that this planet would have, and, more importantly, constraints on its current position within its orbit.”

Looks like Planet 9’s days of hiding in the outer Solar System may be numbered!

Further Reading: arXiv, Caltech, Europlanet (http://www.europlanet-eu.org/evidence-planet-nine-outer-fringes/)

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You know, if I didn't realize that I was reading a scientific article, I could easily mistake this as an article from Nancy Lieder (http://zetatalk.com/) or Marshall Masters (http://yowusa.com/)! :jester:

On a more serious note though, when you watch the Animated Graphic (http://www.universetoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Planet_Nine_animation.gif) which depicts a 'theoretical proposal' of Planet 9's orbit of the sun, you'll see that it only enters the Outer Solar System (beyond Neptune) and never enters the Inner Solar System which probably wouldn't cause a lot of problems. Unless, of course, it decided to throw some very large rocks at us!

However, there is something of which not many have mentioned (yet) that could possibly be of much greater danger to the Inner Solar System. And that is what it might be bringing with it?

We all should know by now that any body in space that is of sufficient size and/or mass will invariably have at least one or more satellites orbiting it (moons, planets, etc). If such a satellite or two does exist around this planet 9, and depending upon it's orbit and distance from said Planet, it could be entirely feasible for this satellite to pass through our Inner Solar System. Not a pretty thought, eh?

It's always been very interesting to me how similar stories are told in Mythology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology) from continent to continent and across many cultures and languages:

Babylonians – Marduk
Sumerian – Nibiru
Aztec – Hercolubus
Christian Bible – Wormwood
The Kolbrin Bible – The Destroyer

Is the BASIS (https://www.google.com/search?q=Similar+myths+in+many+cultures&oq=Similar+myths+in+many+cultures&aqs=chrome..69i57.24407j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=basis) for all these similar Myths about to meet Science?

p.s. In case anyone missed it, go back and take another (close) look at the last picture (Artist's Impression) in the article. I did not add, or edit in any way, this graphic. It was provided by Robin Dienel (https://dtm.carnegiescience.edu/people/techadmin/robin-dienel) of Carnegie Science (https://carnegiescience.edu/).

Is it a joke? :)

[Flash]

The artist rendition is rather interesting, you are right

a pink and gold planet
a golden glow
a dark cross on it

add to it that it probably has some moons
its orbit influences the rocks in Kuipler belt - maybe pulling them in its path
and its orbit is 20,000 years - they may be off a few thousands, who knows

and you have Nibiru... finally!!!!

[norman]

I don't understand why they don't have technology capable of detecting everything out there like radar blips on a screen. Surely we don't have to go through all this messing around with detecting perturbations in the orbits of other bodies, in this day and age?

Fuzzy photos syndrome, I guess.

[Harley]

Hi Flash,

a dark cross on it

More specifically: A Dark 'X'. :)

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm beginning to believe now that all of this news about evidence of a Ninth Planet may be what I refer to as "A Slow Leak" - About something of which has been discovered/confirmed (by modern science) at least as far back as the 70s, and maybe more - of information which has been kept from the public.
Interesting suggestion ... :)

[bluestflame]

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just being cautious of committing to anything , not unlikely for false info to be planted

[Bill Ryan]

L0nXjWl7ipQ

just being cautious of committing to anything , not unlikely for false info to be planted

The e-mail in question (that was leaked, about Nibiru, in Podesta's inbox) was sent to a very large number of people by a citizen and Nibiru-advocate called Don Smalter. Nothing official here of any kind.

[Sueanne47]

John Lear said Nibiru was a scam ~ "just a plot to keep us in a state of anxiety"

We really need to know if this email is false or not! there is some very worrying statements on it.

[gord]

Harley's comment (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88333-Evidence-for-Planet-Nine-in-our-solar-system&p=1108822&viewfull=1#post1108822) got me thinking and wondering and daydreaming (all good things!)

These phrases:

"Solar Obliquity (the six-degree axial tilt of the Sun)",

"For the sake of their study – “Solar Obliquity Induced by Planet Nine“, which was recently published in the Astrophysical Journal",

"For over 150 years, people have wondered why the sun is tilted. Personally I’d say that Planet 9 offers the first satisfying explanation. If it exists, it tilted the sun”

all say essentially that whatever's going on, it's slowly making the sun tilt, and I'm wondering why the sun itself wouldn't be considered the reference point used to describe the orbits of all it's satellites slowly tilting relative to it instead.

The phrase "every 17,117 years, and at an average distance (semimajor axis) of 665 AU" or whatever the current calculations are for how long the orbit takes for one cycle and distances for aphelion and perihelion, along with the idea that it's approaching perihelion, imply that 17,117 (or whatever) years ago, it was more or less the same distance away and also less than 17,117 (or whatever) years ago, it was more or less the same distance away as it was leaving perihelion. When might that have been? During mythological stuff? Roughly, what are the two most recent time frames when it would have been the same distance away as it is now?

There seem to be a lot of slow leaks going on now, and that's probably better than bursting a whole bunch of bubbles.

[Nick Matkin]

I don't understand why they don't have technology capable of detecting everything out there like radar blips on a screen. Surely we don't have to go through all this messing around with detecting perturbations in the orbits of other bodies, in this day and age?

Fuzzy photos syndrome, I guess.

That's probably because you don't understand how radar works. Radar works by sending out radio pulses (usually 2GHz or higher) as a focused beam. The strength of the reflections depends upon the distance, size and ability of the target to reflect radar signals.

It's easy to detect a metal plane at say 100 miles, or even Venus at millions of miles, but a planet hundreds of millions of miles away - that may not even have a solid surface? Not sure how we are going to do that with radar. Any ideas anyone?

[bluestflame]

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[ThePythonicCow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYxUUv4A-gA

It's a good idea to explain what's in a posted video, so people can decide if they want to watch it. What point is the video making?

In this case, however, from what I can tell from listening to a few random minutes of this video, summarizing it would be difficult. It seems to be various random clips on the topic of meteors or asteroids hitting the earth. It's not clear what point, if any, it's trying to make. Most likely, it's just "click-bait", as I explain below.

The clip that provides the video's "click-bait" title, "FEMALE ASTROLOGER SHOCKS THE WORLD! Nibiru Planet X is HERE! Hear her revelation.", runs from 2:22 to 5:15, and so far as I noticed (though I only sampled it, didn't listen to all of it), she says nothing sensational, nothing about astrology, and nothing about Nibiru. She just describes some of the conventional understanding of objects hitting the earth. The video title is quite misleading, if that's the case.

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
Some interesting news from Space
chancy

Link:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/mysterious-planet-9-orbiting-our-sun-could-be-a-rogue-planet-from-outside-the-solar-system-145135713.html

Article:
Mysterious ‘Planet 9’ orbiting our sun could be a ‘rogue planet’ from outside the Solar System
Rob Waugh
Yahoo News UK - January 12, 2017

Last year, scientists spotted signs which offered a hint that there is a huge, unseen world lurking at the edge of our solar system – ‘Planet Nine’.

The giant, hidden planet is thought to be 10 times more massive than Earth – and on an orbit which takes 10,000 or 20,000 years to go round the sun.

But the story of Planet 9 might be even odder than first believed – as scientists say it may once have been a ‘rogue’, free-roaming planet which was captured by our solar system.

James Vesper of New Mexico State University (NMSU) said during an American Astronomical Society news conference in Grapevine, Texas, ‘It is very plausible’ that Planet Nine is a captured rogue, a world that cruises through space unattached to a star.

Vesper and his colleagues simulated 156 different encounters between our solar system and free-roaming bodies.

Vesper wrote, ‘Rogue, or free-floating, planets may be abundant in the Galaxy. Several have been observed in the solar neighborhood.

‘They have been predicted to even outnumber stars by a large fraction, and may partially account for dark matter in the disk of the galaxy, as the result of circumbinary planet formation.

‘We speculate that if rogue planets are abundant as predicted, then, Planet 9 may be a captured rogue.’

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[Bill Ryan]

Indigo Skyfold is the most secret covert black operation in world history. It is the jewel of all black operations and its purpose is actually 3 fold to control weather, to implement warfare and to cover up the existence of a second sun in our solar system.

No, it has nothing to do with a second sun. Read this thread:


Secret Chemtrail Pilot Speaks (the INDIGO SKYFOLD story) - Dec 8, 2014 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78003-Secret-Chemtrail-Pilot-Speaks--the-INDIGO-SKYFOLD-story--Dec-8-2014)

The transcript is here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78003-Secret-Chemtrail-Pilot-Speaks-on-Dec-8-2014&p=914142&viewfull=1#post914142). The 'second sun' is never mentioned. That's someone else's additive.

[ghostrider]

They will discover two more planets, and our suns twin a failed fusion star , that is always hidden behind our sun ...

Just thinking:
This is how we really move with our Sun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU
If you look the planets never get in front of the Sun, so where would the second sun be?
The second sun must be in-front of our Sun.
Our sun being towed by the second Sun, if so the second Sun is really the first Sun:sun:

I would like to see a version of the vid including Planet 9's path :)

And of curse add the Suns spiral movement in our galaxy 0.o
I got it from the Billy Meier contact notes, suppossedly it moves exactly with the earth which keeps it hidden from science for now... he redicted we would discover two more planets with very strange orbits ...

[seleka]

Planet 9 has existed. It wwas announced in the space magazines of the day back when it was first discovered by the type of society that we know. Then for years it was not talked about. Then people began to talk about it and others called them names. Now NASA is asking for the public's help in finding Planet 9. Here is a link to the article on astronomy.com http://astronomy.com/news/2017/02/citizen-scientists-planet-9

Here is the video that is at the bottom of that page, embedded. It is called primer on planet 9 or something like that gtSsS_aFI98

[seleka]

I found this guy on YT nearly a year ago. I think his upbeat persona is refreshing. He is talking about the NASA announcement I posted about yesterday. It is Jacob Israel.

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[mojo]

I recall seeing a google star image near Virgo showing an area blacked out so that viewers couldn't see what Google was hiding, which now appears that it was planet 9. Now that it has moved we can see a part of it. the second black and white is infrared from skyview program.

So the mainstream really hasnt been alerted to this and wonder why? If nothing is going to happen you would think there wouldnt have been an effort to hide it...

[Skywizard]

https://cdn.uanews.arizona.edu/s3fs-public/styles/2015_story_featured_fp/public/story-images/Planetary%20Object%20-%20small.png?kdMVhNacfnRDl2krzoUuGCSy1OEBdWf7&itok=qq6dgZlS

A yet to be discovered, unseen "planetary mass object" makes its existence known by
ruffling the orbital plane of distant Kuiper Belt objects, according to research by Kat Volk
and Renu Malhotra of the UA's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory. The object is pictured on
a wide orbit far beyond Pluto in this artist's illustration.

UA Scientists and the Curious Case of the Warped Kuiper Belt

The plane of the solar system is warped in the outer reaches of the Kuiper Belt, signaling the
presence of an unknown Mars-to-Earth-mass planetary object far beyond Pluto, according to
new research from the UA.

An unknown, unseen "planetary mass object" may lurk in the outer reaches of our solar system, according to new research on the orbits of minor planets to be published in the Astronomical Journal. This object would be different from — and much closer than — the so-called Planet Nine, a planet whose existence yet awaits confirmation.

https://cdn.uanews.arizona.edu/s3fs-public/styles/2015_story_body_aspect_ratio_switcher/public/story-images/Planet%2010%20-%20Orange%20Blue%20Final%20-%20small.png?g8gzwBbBlkjDcCb_ZJqpZcEpgwXrBLU1&itok=PJ3iFNmG

A planetary mass object the size
of Mars would be sufficient to
produce the observed perturbations
in the distant Kuiper Belt.

In the paper, Kat Volk and Renu Malhotra of the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, or LPL, present compelling evidence of a yet-to-be- discovered planetary body with a mass somewhere between that of Mars and Earth. The mysterious mass, the authors show, has given away its presence — for now — only by controlling the orbital planes of a population of space rocks known as Kuiper Belt objects, or KBOs, in the icy outskirts of the solar system.

While most KBOs — debris left over from the formation of the solar system — orbit the sun with orbital tilts (inclinations) that average out to what planetary scientists call the invariable plane of the solar system, the most distant of the Kuiper Belt's objects do not. Their average plane, Volk and Malhotra discovered, is tilted away from the invariable plane by about eight degrees. In other words, something unknown is warping the average orbital plane of the outer solar system.

"The most likely explanation for our results is that there is some unseen mass," says Volk, a postdoctoral fellow at LPL and the lead author of the study. "According to our calculations, something as massive as Mars would be needed to cause the warp that we measured."

The Kuiper Belt lies beyond the orbit of Neptune and extends to a few hundred Astronomical Units, or AU, with one AU representing the distance between Earth and the sun. Like its inner solar system cousin, the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, the Kuiper Belt hosts a vast number of minor planets, mostly small icy bodies (the precursors of comets), and a few dwarf planets.

For the study, Volk and Malhotra analyzed the tilt angles of the orbital planes of more than 600 objects in the Kuiper Belt in order to determine the common direction about which these orbital planes all precess. Precession refers to the slow change or "wobble" in the orientation of a rotating object.

KBOs operate in an analogous way to spinning tops, explains Malhotra, who is a Louise Foucar Marshall Science Research Professor and Regents' Professor of Planetary Sciences at LPL.

"Imagine you have lots and lots of fast-spinning tops, and you give each one a slight nudge," she says. "If you then take a snapshot of them, you will find that their spin axes will be at different orientations, but on average, they will be pointing to the local gravitational field of Earth.

"We expect each of the KBOs' orbital tilt angle to be at a different orientation, but on average, they will be pointing perpendicular to the plane determined by the sun and the big planets."

If one were to think of the average orbital plane of objects in the outer solar system as a sheet, it should be quite flat past 50 AU, according to Volk.

"But going further out from 50 to 80 AU, we found that the average plane actually warps away from the invariable plane," she explains. "There is a range of uncertainties for the measured warp, but there is not more than 1 or 2 percent chance that this warp is merely a statistical fluke of the limited observational sample of KBOs."

In other words, the effect is most likely a real signal rather than a statistical fluke. According to the calculations, an object with the mass of Mars orbiting roughly 60 AU from the sun on an orbit tilted by about eight degrees (to the average plane of the known planets) has sufficient gravitational influence to warp the orbital plane of the distant KBOs within about 10 AU to either side.

"The observed distant KBOs are concentrated in a ring about 30 AU wide and would feel the gravity of such a planetary mass object over time," Volk said, "so hypothesizing one planetary mass to cause the observed warp is not unreasonable across that distance."

This rules out the possibility that the postulated object in this case could be the hypothetical Planet Nine, whose existence has been suggested based on other observations. That planet is predicted to be much more massive (about 10 Earth masses) and much farther out at 500 to 700 AU.

"That is too far away to influence these KBOs," Volk said. "It certainly has to be much closer than 100 AU to substantially affect the KBOs in that range."

Because a planet, by definition, has to have cleared its orbit of minor planets such as KBOs, the authors refer to the hypothetical mass as a planetary mass object. The data also do not rule out the possibility that the warp could result from more than one planetary mass object.

So why haven't we found it yet? Most likely, according to Malhotra and Volk, because we haven't yet searched the entire sky for distant solar system objects. The most likely place a planetary mass object could be hiding would be in the galactic plane, an area so densely packed with stars that solar system surveys tend to avoid it.

"The chance that we have not found such an object of the right brightness and distance simply because of the limitations of the surveys is estimated to be to about 30 percent," Volk said.

A possible alternative to an unseen object that could have ruffled the plane of outer Kuiper Belt objects could be a star that buzzed the solar system in recent (by astronomical standards) history, the authors said.

"A passing star would draw all the 'spinning tops' in one direction," Malhotra said. “Once the star is gone, all the KBOs will go back to precessing around their previous plane. That would have required an extremely close passage at about 100 AU, and the warp would be erased within 10 million years, so we don't consider this a likely scenario."

Humankind's chance to catch a glimpse of the mysterious object might come fairly soon once construction of the Large Synoptic Survey Telescope is completed. Run by a consortium that includes the UA and scheduled for first light in 2020, the instrument will take unprecedented, real-time surveys of the sky, night after night.

"We expect LSST to bring the number of observed KBOs from currently about 2000 to 40,000," Malhotra said. "There are a lot more KBOs out there — we just have not seen them yet. Some of them are too far and dim even for LSST to spot, but because the telescope will cover the sky much more comprehensively than current surveys, it should be able to detect this object, if it's out there."





Source: https://uanews.arizona.edu/story/ua-scientists-and-curious-case-warped-kuiper-belt


http://yoursmiles.org/csmile/friend/c0416.gifpeace...

[Bill Ryan]

A note: that last post (which I just merged), from the University of Arizona, about a possible Mars-sized object influencing the orbits of objects in the Kuiper Belt, isn't actually about 'Planet Nine' — which the article points out would be different, more remote, and larger — but I felt that it does belong in this thread, where these anomalies are all being reported from various sources, and discussed.

[pyrangello]

Something guided me to this , this morning. Its an 11 minute video on Nibiru. Its a pretty neutral position but it does lay out the groundwork of this flyby , Time and date unknown. Its not a fear video but an educational video. Remember fear is only created by the unknown anyways. So check it out and enjoy this weekend.And just stay educated, that will help you for anything in the future. :)

http://nibiru2017.com/planet-x/nemesis-planet-x-alert-prepare-for-nasa-warning/

and for an extra read that comes out every friday in an internet newsletter- check this out too.

http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue565.htm

[Nick Matkin]

Sorry, some bloke just saying stuff - even with fancy graphics - is not evidence. Ask some amateur astronomers, geologists, meteorologists if they have any evidence of any of this.

And when nothing happens - again - will this guy fess-up and apologise for distributing shi*e? Will he ***k.

[Hervé]

...

:facepalm:

... here we go... AGAIN!

... with that psy-op about Nibiru/Planet X (rehashed every year since CIA Nancy Lieder started it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm)). Here is a post from way back:


My, my, my... here we go again...

Here is from Ken Adachi, a former devoted Zeta sucker (a certain PT Barnum reckoned there's one born every minute... so it's a never ending story):




I had expected Nancy Lieder and Zeta Talk to disappear from the Internet following the 2003 fiasco, but I guess a built up CIA/NASA/military disinformation psyops like Zeta Talk is simply too juicy a scam to just abandon, so they profer a truly moronic and pathetic 'White Lie (http://zetatalk.com/index/psdate2.htm)' excuse to explain away their prediction failure and just move the date up another eleven years to 2012! So we are treated with another eleven years of disinformation nonsense, fear mongering, anxiety promotion, worry promotion, fear of having children born into such a nightmare world, re-locating to remote, bare bones survial locations, etc., etc., for a whole new generation of suckers, rubes, and newbies who will buy into the Zeta Talk lie with the same wide eyed belief that I bought into it between 1995 and 2003, and wind up posting Youtube videos with ingenious sounding explantions of mysterious celestial body movements in the solar system accounting for this or that "HMO" and similar absurdities. .

I've also re-printed the current home page from ZetaTalk further below which includes links to the modified Pole Shift explanation mentioned above and the "White Lie' gambit. Remarkable, Nancy also includes the following statement on her current Zeta Talk (http://zetatalk.com/) home page:

"Note: Where Planet X came into the inner solar system in early 2003, it has not yet passed, though has gone through gyrations while passing the Sun's S Pole and adjusting to the Sun's magnetic field. Some ZetaTalk is best understood in the context of the date written. These topics, below, are organized by date written and should be read in order for a historical perspective. The increase in Earth changes and electromagnetic interference and evidence of Planet X in the inner solar system is palpable. For the very latest ZetaTalk, however, jump to the bottom for news about the current year!"

Here, we witness the lunacy, ridiculousness, and witlessness of Zeta Talk, Nancy Lieder, and her handlers in full flower. She reports that this huge red planet, Nibiru, which she and Zeta Talk said was 4 times larger and 23 times more dense than Earth, had ENTERED the earth's solar system in 2003; yet still had not "passed."


How could a 'planet' 4 times larger than earth enter the earth's solar system in 2003 and not be seen by astronomers?

Full article and antecedents here:

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/zetatalkrecycleddeception24mar12.shtml

[pyrangello]

You know I've been around avalon since the start, and camelot long before that. I'm not worried about this extra planets if there are extra planets, hell these days between fake news, covert news and just entertaining news I think most of us are having a hard time trying to decide whats real or not. The thing with zeta is much of what they are saying is linked to actual events that are happening now, IE earth changes, power loss, quakes,sink holes, ect ect or is it that we are on such a instant timeline of current events it just seems like its happening more? . As for another pole shift, my thoughts are the earth is a living organism and is growing all the time from within to grow larger. Nothing scientific to support that except just my observation. So is there was to be a planet x , Is the info about extra planets being put out there a seed of fakeness? So to speak.

I do understand fear controls many but I also am aware we are in a huge shift of cultures and co-habitation of us living together as one. Its actually a very cool time to be on this planet to witness the old crustations of control leaving the earth one by one only for new ideas and better ways of living while respecting this planet.Nobody wants war except for those in power. As for Nick , I'll take the Bloak phrase as I owe you a beer with respect, and Herve always listen to what you have to say as well. I repect everyone comments here as I consider all you like an extended family. But most important this is a college course here with teachers and mentors from all around the world , and for that i say is priceless. Thanks for the links and thanks for comments , it helps balance the scales for me personally. :)

[pyrangello]

So I was gone for the weekend but I kept thinking of your replys and my connect the dots so to speak over all these past years. So for Herve and Nick and whoever would like to chime in here are some of my questions or inquiries that I would like a opinion or explanation on . I read what you all wrote but here are my lingering thoughts........................................
1) In regards to Zeta talk, I understand the disappointments or delays in what has been forth told, but lets say there is a council of worlds, lets say there is a delay in process of the earth shift ,such as those humming boxes on the shorelines around the continents and in the oceans to give us more time, and those were reported on many other sources other than the zeta platform. The boxes are to slow the plate shift supposedly.

2) Why did the state of Wyoming try and purchase a used aircraft carrier several years ago reported in Forbes ? Seems kind of strange but if there's a shift and water displacement over 2 years then it doesn't seem so crazy at all .

3) As for the planet X sightings all over the world and the trumpeting noises recorded all over the world, is there any merit to that at all? Hell I even have a picture here in my office taken several years ago by a friend who went to Alaska personally and yes there clearly are 2 suns in that photo. I understand astronomers are all over the world but what about my pic and the ones on Zeta from all over. Are they all fake?

4) Why did Russia build all the underground facilities and especially china build all those ghost cities off the coast lines that nobody lives in?

5) Then there is Edgar Casey prediction that Oklahoma would be the biggest sea-port in the US one day? He hasn't been wrong on much and there's a entire institute to him.

6) Then the uptick in quakes and its quite a bit on a 24 hour basis, and I'm speaking of over years not months?

7) Sinkholes, chem trails, where did Atlantis go ?

8) In regards to Pangaea, and all the continents being one, doesn't it seem plausible that we have a cycle of disruption of the planet that happens on a re-occurring basis maybe every 3600 years , even in the bible or the hieroglyphs on the ancient walls or the HOPI Indian history?

I'm only bringing up some of this because in the zeta newsletter every Friday there are back up stories from all other sources being reported on other than zeta and linked to with the explanations. And from a historical aspect of our ancestors . Along with all the crazy weather lately , then what is the explanation. I can tell you from my observation the sun isn't setting and rising in the same position or time lately and the flowers blooming are way out of wack from a timeline of summer. Things are changing , am I afraid, no, far from it, I embrace our future whatever is ahead of us. But there sure seems to me that there are alot more questions being generated these days than they are being answered. So what say you my Avalon family? Help me out a bit here!

[regnak]

After 2012 I do not believe :facepalm:

Evidence?

[pyrangello]

I'm going to add more numbers as I remember them to my list
9) remember 2 years ago there was going to be a nationwide emergency broadcast drill across all phones, radios, and tv's all at the same time. Per the zetas Prez Obama was going to disclose planet x . I remember reading about the drill on many other sources and then poof, it never happened and there was no explanation why it didn't happen or why it was such a big deal in the first place.

10) what about the purchase order issued buying the millions of MRE's , water and gas by the US govn't to be stored somewhere around the New Madrid zone? precautions or should there be a why attached to that comment?

11) In the movie 2012, in the very first few scenes, they show 3 planets almost in a line but they never explain or detail what those bodies are? They just show the sphere's- just food for thought.

I'll add more later, comments?

[pyrangello]

12) So in today's headlines we have yet another collision of a navy ship by one big oil tanker, The USS Mc cain got slammed by another larger tanker , 10 navy personal missing (prayers) So my # 12 comment is how do huge navy ships with all their compass, radar, and electronic devices have a collision like this , you mean to tell me they can't detect this . Here's a list of the last 4 ships. 4 collisions by USN ships in 1 year, 2 days: 21 Aug: USS McCain 17 June: USS Fitzgerald 9 May: USS Lake Champlain 19 Aug 2016: USS Louisiana . And what about those commercial planes 2 years ago that landed at the wrong airport. ..................... So my question is this , how is this happening, is the earth on a wobble greater than what we know or is the magnetic field going whacked out? Or is there something else impacting this planet ?

[Bill Ryan]

12) So in today's headlines we have yet another collision of a navy ship by one big oil tanker, The USS Mc cain got slammed by another larger tanker , 10 navy personal missing (prayers) So my # 12 comment is how do huge navy ships with all their compass, radar, and electronic devices have a collision like this , you mean to tell me they can't detect this . Here's a list of the last 4 ships. 4 collisions by USN ships in 1 year, 2 days: 21 Aug: USS McCain 17 June: USS Fitzgerald 9 May: USS Lake Champlain 19 Aug 2016: USS Louisiana . And what about those commercial planes 2 years ago that landed at the wrong airport. ..................... So my question is this , how is this happening, is the earth on a wobble greater than what we know or is the magnetic field going whacked out? Or is there something else impacting this planet ?

Well, that's nothing at all to do with the Earth's magnetic field, or even any navigational equipment.

They could see the thing with their own eyes, 600 feet long, heading slowly towards them at 10 knots in a crowded shipping lane. The reports (http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/us-navy-destroyer-collision-singapore/index.html) indicate 'poor seamanship'. (And, how. :facepalm: )

[Ernie Nemeth]

When I was a kid we watched a lake tanker slowly smash into the riverbank. It happened so slow that the news picked it up while it was happening. It was surreal. I hear that just stopping takes many miles. It took days to get enough tug boats around the tanker to dislodge it. It was right at the mouth of Lake Huron, just near the Blue Water bridge to the states.

So, just because the collision might be ten miles away does not mean it can be avoided.

But, war ships are different than commercial ships...

[uzn]

12) So in today's headlines we have yet another collision of a navy ship by one big oil tanker, The USS Mc cain got slammed by another larger tanker , 10 navy personal missing (prayers) So my # 12 comment is how do huge navy ships with all their compass, radar, and electronic devices have a collision like this , you mean to tell me they can't detect this . Here's a list of the last 4 ships. 4 collisions by USN ships in 1 year, 2 days: 21 Aug: USS McCain 17 June: USS Fitzgerald 9 May: USS Lake Champlain 19 Aug 2016: USS Louisiana . And what about those commercial planes 2 years ago that landed at the wrong airport. ..................... So my question is this , how is this happening, is the earth on a wobble greater than what we know or is the magnetic field going whacked out? Or is there something else impacting this planet ?

I would stongly suggest that these sailors should leave their hands off the drugs they transport.

And by the way, you know what Blue Avians and Nibiru have in common?
They have never been seen.


The real deal is this one. This Planet will never ever even get close to us. This has nothing to do with Nibiru.

https://i1.wp.com/thespacewriter.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/p9_kbo_orbits_labeled_1_.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42GeoCVaZQg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6poHQ2h00ZA

for more info on this Planet 9
https://www.caltech.edu/news/caltech-researchers-find-evidence-real-ninth-planet-49523
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-beyond-pluto

If you want a cool Story about a mysterious plant forget Nibiru.
Try this one:
Howard Phillips Lovecraft´s The Whisperer in Darkness
http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/wid.aspx

[Bill Ryan]

So, just because the collision might be ten miles away does not mean it can be avoided.



Yes. The huge oil tanker might not to have been able to do anything at all. But the little destroyer should have been able to easily duck out of the way.

[Hervé]

... the reason tankers and trawlers (when trawling) have right of way in busy lanes due to their handicapped/limited abilities for maneuvering... learn that watching the Ramon Margalef surveying around El Hierro...

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-12.0/centery:25.0/zoom:4

[avid]

El Hierro, such an exciting time, that was really good teamwork, and the pictures, we could have 'been there', well done to that great team, with scientific knowledge and good research. Keep up the great work.... 👌👍
Sorry, back to topic.....

[Foxie Loxie]

uzn.....You had me laughing out loud with your Blue Avain & Nibiru comment!! :clapping:

[pyrangello]

Thanks to all the comments , I want you to punch holes in my theory or at least give it a navy uh, maybe not navy try. I was in the US air force 30 years ago so I'm a little partial. I do still have a hard time why these ships are colliding, and this means I could paddle up to the side with a canoe and board the ship without anybody noticing. Are all these ships on autopilot where everyone is sleeping at night? As for the planet niburi, I am getting educated which is basically what i am asking for , tell me I'm wrong and why, I do want to know. But i do want to know! :)

[ThePythonicCow]

But the little destroyer should have been able to easily duck out of the way.

... should have ... if its electronics were performing normally ... without interference from, just saying, any next generation anti-electronics measures that the Chinese or Russians might have.

[findingneo]

Regarding the tanker crash, it does look like it get's tricky (to me), but sat nav and regularly updated charts make it easier. Not sure what happens if you can't see a land mass and your sat nav goes down, but here is a short explanation of how vessels navigate and take into consideration the wandering magnetic poles.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-the-earths-magnetic-p/

That is a good point about how long a vessel takes to slow down and change course to avoid another vessel. Where were the crashed vessels from? That should give a little indication of their seamanship standards.

[uzn]

The military boats could have easily avoided the crash, if they wanted to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKfznizTgis

even the big ones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN7BjeRad2I

[pyrangello]

After watching that video of how quick that ship turned around and the waves it created I am reevaluating my canoe approach.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Where did I just recently see the utube clip of the tsunami effect as a tanker goes by on the river? It does illustrate the massive size of these ships.

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Couldn't find the one I saw the other day. I thought it was here on Avalon but I guess not.

[uzn]

Where did I just recently see the utube clip of the tsunami effect as a tanker goes by on the river? It does illustrate the massive size of these ships.

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Couldn't find the one I saw the other day. I thought it was here on Avalon but I guess not.

posted in the "Surfing with Wind" Thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbWAfqtY1lY

[pyrangello]

Watched the freighters as a kid on the river between Canada and Michigan , forgot about the water displacement these big guys make. FYI they still haven't found the 10 sailors missing from the John Mc Cain. Prayers and condolences to their families!

[pyrangello]

13) Major water receding again: Ocean mysteriously disappears in Brazil and anomalous tides in Chile (video)

http://strangesounds.org/2017/08/major-water-receding-again-ocean-mysteriously-disappears-in-brazil-video.html

[Hervé]

See here: Recoiled Sea Tide - Phenomenon called Dry Tide (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?99306-Recoiled-Sea-Tide-Phenomenon-called-Dry-Tide&p=1173222&viewfull=1#post1173222)

... among other possibilities:

Initially reposted there ---> (here) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?p=1141243#post1141243)

Do we have an alternate, more simple explanation for the massive mangrove die-off? Maybe its something just overlooked.
It's called uplifting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tectonic_uplift)...

From here:
[...]

================================================== ==

As for "sea level," see this post here: Rising Sea Level and the Coming Coastal Crisis 2015 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87135-Rising-Sea-Level-and-the-Coming-Coastal-Crisis-2015&p=1026191&viewfull=1#post1026191) where, depending on one's choice for a reference frame, one could as well scream this kind of Doom-&-Gloom sort of headlines:

"Holy sh**! WHERE did all the Water GO!?"

(http://blogs.agu.org/geospace/files/2015/12/crete-quakes-image-1.jpg)
http://www.sott.net/image/s14/286270/full/crete_quakes_image_1_1024x575.jpg (http://blogs.agu.org/geospace/files/2015/12/crete-quakes-image-1.jpg)
© Vasiliki Mouslopoulou, GFZ Scientists look for remnants of paleo shorelines on western Crete. Red and blue arrows indicate paleo shorelines formed during the last 2,000 years and are today elevated up to 8 meters (26 feet).
[click on picture for larger view]


... because land masses do subside (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91471-San-Andreas-Ups-Downs&p=1076369&viewfull=1#post1076369) or crop up (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tectonic_uplift) mostly due to geotectonics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tectonic_subsidence) but also from man-made (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groundwater-related_subsidence) interferences: Sinking Grounds... Not Rising Waters (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91560-Sinking-Grounds...-Not-Rising-Waters.&p=1077680&viewfull=1#post1077680).

[CurEus]

Decidedly odd


It might be lingering bashfully on the icy outer edges of our solar system, hiding in the dark, but subtly pulling strings behind the scenes: stretching out the orbits of distant bodies, perhaps even tilting the entire solar system to one side.
If a planet is there, it's extremely distant and will stay that way (with no chance -- in case you're wondering -- of ever colliding with Earth, or bringing "days of darkness").It is a possible "Planet Nine" -- a world perhaps 10 times the mass of Earth and 20 times farther from the sun than Neptune. The signs so far are indirect, mainly its gravitational footprints, but that adds up to a compelling case nonetheless.
One of its most dedicated trackers, in fact, says it is now harder to imagine our solar system without a Planet Nine than with one.


https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2017-259#.Wed7nLiZKRY.facebookhttp://

[justntime2learn]

10th Planet Discovered

Astronomers have found a new planet in the outer reaches of the solar system.

July 29, 2005: "It's definitely bigger than Pluto." So says Dr. Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology who announced today the discovery of a new planet in the outer solar system.

https://smd-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/science-pink/s3fs-public/styles/large/public/mnt/medialibrary/2005/07/29/29jul_planetx_resources/lede_med.jpg?itok=QClTj-W-

"The planet, which hasn't been officially named yet, was found by Brown and colleagues using the Samuel Oschin Telescope at Palomar Observatory near San Diego. It is currently about 97 times farther from the sun than Earth, or 97 Astronomical Units (AU). For comparison, Pluto is 40 AU from the sun.


This places the new planet more or less in the Kuiper Belt, a dark realm beyond Neptune where thousands of small icy bodies orbit the sun. The planet appears to be typical of Kuiper Belt objects--only much bigger. Its sheer size in relation to the nine known planets means that it can only be classified as a planet itself, Brown says."

"Backyard astronomers with large telescopes can see the new planet. But don't expect to be impressed: It looks like a dim speck of light, visual magnitude 19, moving very slowly against the starry background. "It is currently almost directly overhead in the early-morning eastern sky in the constellation Cetus," notes Brown.

The planet was discovered by, in addition to Brown, Chad Trujillo, of the Gemini Observatory in Mauna Kea, Hawaii, and David Rabinowitz, of Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut. They first photographed the new planet with the 48-inch Samuel Oschin Telescope on October 31, 2003. The object was so far away, however, that its motion was not detected until they reanalyzed the data in January of this year. In the last seven months, the scientists have been studying the planet to better estimate its size and its motions.

"We are 100 percent confident that this is the first object bigger than Pluto ever found in the outer solar system," Brown adds."

https://smd-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/science-pink/s3fs-public/mnt/medialibrary/2005/07/29/29jul_planetx_resources/threeframes.jpg

Right: The new planet, circled in white, moves across a field of stars on Oct. 21, 2003. The three photos were taken about 90 minutes apart. Image credit: Samuel Oschin Telescope, Palomar Observatory. [More]

Telescopes have not yet revealed the planet's disk. To estimate how big it is, the astronomers must rely on measurements of the planet's brightness. Like all planets, this new one presumably shines by reflecting sunlight. The bigger the planet, generally speaking, the bigger the reflection. The reflectance, the fraction of light that bounces off the planet, is not yet known. Nevertheless, it is possible to set limits on the planet's diameter:

"Even if it reflected 100 percent of the light reaching it, it would still be as big as Pluto," says Brown. Pluto is 1400 miles (2300 km) wide. "I'd say it's probably [about] one and a half times the size of Pluto, but we're not sure."

The planet's temporary name is 2003 UB313. A permanent name has been proposed by the discoverers to the International Astronomical Union, and they are awaiting the decision of this body before announcing the name. Stay tuned!

Link: https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/29jul_planetx

[Star Tsar]

Planet X or 9 and 10 planets or X to the power of ten or how about a hundred?


Nemesis Maturity

WTH Is Going On? 7 TOP NASA Scientists Say There Are Over 100 Planets In Our Solar System

Published 3rd November 2017

7 Top NASA scientists say we actually have over 100 planets in our solar system. If the team’s version of planetary definition is indeed widely adopted it would greatly expand the number of planets in our solar system from the current eight to around 110.
http://releases.jhu.edu/2017/03/16/scientists-make-the-case-to-restore-plutos-planet-status/

Most of us grew up learning that there are nine planets in our solar system. Back in 2006 that all changed, when Pluto was demoted from being labeled a proper planet to its new classification as a dwarf planet, leaving just eight true planets in our celestial neighborhood. Now, a group of scientists says Pluto should definitely be added back to the planet list — oh, and that there are over 100 other objects in our solar system that should also be called planets.

Kirby Runyon of Johns Hopkins University headed a six-man team of authors from five different scientific bodies in preparing their own version of how planets should be classified. Their argument and supporting information displayed at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Texas.
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2017/

The other authors are: S. Alan Stern and Kelsi Singer of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado; Tod Lauer of the National Optical Astronomy Observatory in Tucson, Arizona; Will Grundy of the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona; Michael Summers of George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia.

In their paper, the researchers insist that the factors that should define whether a celestial body is a planet or not should relate solely to the object itself rather than things like location.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/scientist-says-over-100-planets-solar-system-160435174.html

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[prc]

I would like to have some views of avalonians commenting the several pictures and videos of TWO Suns on the sky.

I offer some evidence here:

https://www.facebook.com/TransicaoPlanetariaAsVerdadesEscondidas/photos/a.513119435410178.1073741830.512996355422486/1532224613499650/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/TransicaoPlanetariaAsVerdadesEscondidas/

Second post of this facebook page you will find a video filmed in the far east, I think it was in India, and the 12th post there is a picture taken in city of BAURU-SP Brazil with two suns on the sky.


Thank you,

Kind Regards,

[justntime2learn]

I would like to have some views of avalonians commenting the several pictures and videos of TWO Suns on the sky.

I offer some evidence here:

https://www.facebook.com/TransicaoPlanetariaAsVerdadesEscondidas/photos/a.513119435410178.1073741830.512996355422486/1532224613499650/?type=3&theater

https://www.facebook.com/TransicaoPlanetariaAsVerdadesEscondidas/

Second post of this facebook page you will find a video filmed in the far east, I think it was in India, and the 12th post there is a picture taken in city of BAURU-SP Brazil with two suns on the sky.


Thank you,

Kind Regards,

Welcome prc :bigsmile:

Bill has spoke on this many times saying if there were two suns, every amateur astronomer would see it 24/7 around the globe.

I believe he is right.

Bill Ryan 14th July 2010 10:58 Link to Post #20
Re: Our second SUN!

"There's 100% no chance that thousands of amateur astronomers, controlled by no-one, are going to sit quietly if a large astronomical object becomes visible to the naked eye anytime soon.

There does seem to be a large object (a brown dwarf star) that the Controllers are very interested in, maybe somewhere round the orbit of Jupiter (ref Andy Lloyd and Bill Deagle), not visible to the naked eye and radiating in the infrared.

There are good arguments that this would be coming in from the south (hence the recent investment in the South Pole Telescope). The poster of the photo does not say when or where it was taken, but I assume it was in the US or Canada, very recently.

The thousands of amateur astronomers - many of whom frequently watch the sun (especially in the recent solar eclipse) are unlikely to miss something that was taken with a digital camera while watching a sunset.

This is almost certainly a sundog (an unusual but not infrequent atmospheric effect).

Here's a good image of the recent 11 July 2010 eclipse: there are no other large objects else there apart from the sun. Orbital mechanics would require that any large object like PX would still be there in the field of view... it wouldn't suddenly zip away and disappear."


Maybe this may be of interest: Bill Ryan 13th July 2010 21:09 Link to Post #2
Re: Our second SUN!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3893-Our-second-SUN-&p=34542&viewfull=1#post34542

Cheers, J

[Bill Ryan]

I would like to have some views of avalonians commenting the several pictures and videos of TWO Suns on the sky.


Welcome prc :bigsmile:

Bill has spoke on this many times saying if there were two suns, every amateur astronomer would see it 24/7 around the globe.

I believe he is right.



Yep, I'm sure he is. :)

Not only would every amateur astronomer in the world be screaming from the rooftops, these phone camera images have been presented as 'evidence' for years now... which suggests that if there really was a 'second sun' there, it's clearly not moving!

[ExomatrixTV]

Woah! Potential Planet 9 Candidate Found In The Old Data - Could This Be It?

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https://arxiv.org/pdf/2111.03831.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRAS

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/14369/production/_89139728_thinkstockphotos-494508653.jpg

Planet Nine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine)

Enigmatic Planet Nine may have been seen by telescope in the 1980s

There is an ongoing debate about whether a huge "super-Earth" lurks in the far reaches of our solar system – but we may actually have observed it almost 40 years ago


https://images.newscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/12140843/PRI_209879115.jpg?width=300

A map centred on the location of the Planet Nine candidate (red & green)
Schlegel, Finkbeiner and Davis (1998)

Evidence for a massive planet in the outer solar system has been found, which may be the elusive Planet Nine that astronomers have long sought.

Planet Nine is a hypothesised world orbiting far beyond Neptune (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2267788-evidence-for-a-hidden-planet-nine-beyond-neptune-has-weakened/), in our solar system’s outer reaches. The gravitational clustering of some objects (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2074106-hints-that-planet-nine-may-exist-on-edge-of-our-solar-system/) in the outer solar system suggests the presence of such a world, a super-Earth at least five times as massive as our planet, but no concrete evidence for it …


source (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2297376-enigmatic-planet-nine-may-have-been-seen-by-telescope-in-the-1980s/)

[ExomatrixTV]

New Evidence For The Existence Of Planet X

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As we learn new things about something, we start to believe we know a lot about it. But this isn’t often the case with space. Our Solar system is much, much bigger than you would expect, and you’d be surprised how little we know about it. But soon, with the launch of a next-generation telescope, that might change. Does this mean we would finally detect an elusive Planet 9? Will we find some other secrets our Solar system has stored for us? And would it all change the way we perceive our place in the cosmos?

related:


World’s Largest Camera Packs A 32,000 Megapixel Sensor (https://www.deccanchronicle.com/150116/technology-science-and-trends/article/world%E2%80%99s-largest-camera-packs-32000-mp-sensor)
The Power Of The James Webb Telescope (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?113456-The-Power-Of-The-James-Webb-Telescope-in-Space-To-Be-Launched-in-2021)
NASA Detected Strange Radio Signals From Space (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?117409-NASA-Detected-Strange-Radio-Signals-From-Space)

[ExomatrixTV]

New Evidence Found for Planet 9 with Konstantin Batygin:

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Does Planet Nine exist? At 5 Sigma, Konstantin Batygin, Mike Brown, and others have found the best evidence yet of it's existence.

Generation of Low-Inclination, Neptune-Crossing TNOs by Planet Nine


arxiv.org/abs/2404.11594 (https://arxiv.org/abs/2404.11594)

Injection of Inner Oort Cloud Objects Into the Distant Kuiper Belt by Planet Nine by Konstantin Batygin and Michael E. Brown


arxiv.org/pdf/2104.05799.pdf (https://arxiv.org/pdf/2104.05799.pdf)

[ExomatrixTV]

Astronomers Just Found Strongest Evidence of the Hidden Planet 9:

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Astronomers have found the strongest statistical evidence of Planet 9, the hidden planet of our solar system believed to be lurking in the outskirts of the solar system. The possibility of the existence of Planet 9 has long intrigued scientists. Some researchers believe it might have been a rogue planet captured by our Sun's gravity, while others think it could have formed from the same disk of gas and dust as the other planets. If Planet 9 exists, it is believed to be ten times more massive than Earth and orbit the Sun at a distance of 400 to 800 Astronomical Units, which is 400 to 800 times the distance between the Earth and the Sun.

Astronomers have been eagerly hunting for clues, using powerful telescopes and advanced computer models to track its influence. After years of watching the sky, solving mathematical equations, and running complex computer simulations, they now have the strongest evidence yet that Planet 9 really exists. This discovery introduces an exciting plot twist in the story of the hidden planet.

📝 REFERENCES:

Generation of Low-Inclination, Neptune-Crossing TNOs by Planet Nine, Batygin et al (2024), The Astrophysical Journal: bit.ly/4c0A0gG (https://bit.ly/4c0A0gG)

Evidence for a Distant Giant Planet in the Solar System, Batygin and Brown (2016), The Astrophysical Journal: bit.ly/4efIxOx (https://bit.ly/4efIxOx)

[ExomatrixTV]

Genius Astronomer Says He Found a New Planet—Is He Wrong?:

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Win Extraterrestrial Metal: join my mailing list 💥 briankeating.com/yt (https://briankeating.com/yt) 💥 Astronomers have detected strange gravitational forces pulling at objects beyond Neptune. Some believe these forces could be caused by an undiscovered ninth planet—but if Planet 9 is real, why haven’t we found it yet? And if it doesn’t exist, what else could be shaping the outer edge of our solar system? Here today to explore this issue and reveal extraordinary new evidence of Planet 9, is none other than Konstantin Batygin, one of the world’s foremost experts in this field. A professor at Caltech, Konstantin specializes in planetary astrophysics, the formation and evolution of the solar system, orbital dynamics, exoplanet behavior, and the physics of planetary interiors and atmospheres. In this episode, he not only breaks down the latest evidence for Planet Nine but also shares his thoughts on the controversial discovery and why some say he is wrong. You will also hear his insights from his research on Jupiter’s magnetic field. Plus, Konstantin gave us exclusive permission to feature his lecture on these topics—an unmissable opportunity to learn from one of the best in the field!


00:00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=0s) Intro

00:02:38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=158s) What is Planet 9 and why it matters

00:12:16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=736s) Perihelion distribution dynamics

00:13:46 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=826s) The most unstable component of the Kuiper Belt

00:16:14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=974s) Why is it so hard to prove Planet 9?

00:19:58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=1198s) The Three-Body Problem

00:26:24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=1584s) Rubin Observatory and the search for TNOs

00:30:09 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=1809s) Konstantin’s lecture on Planet 9

00:42:59 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=2579s) The importance of Jupiter

00:52:08 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=3128s) The role of entropy on planetary formation

00:55:31 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=3331s) Konstantin’s lecture on Jupiter

01:37:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAU8VEGJizw&t=5825s) Outro

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A new 'dwarf planet' has been found, and it seems that 'Planet Nine' may indeed be out there.


https://explorersweb.com/astronomers-discover-new-dwarf-planet-and-it-challenges-the-planet-nine-hypothesis/

Astronomers Discover New Dwarf Planet — and it Challenges the Planet Nine Hypothesis

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A new dwarf planet named 2017 OF201 has been discovered far beyond Neptune. It sits in a region previously thought to be empty. Its existence raises questions about the structure of our solar system and the hypothetical Planet Nine — a hidden, massive planet hiding somewhere out there in the outer reaches.

The dwarf planet’s orbit is such an elongated ellipse that it takes around 25,000 years to make one orbit of our sun. At its closest, it sits approximately 6.66 billion kilometers away from the sun. At its furthest, it is a staggering 244 billion kilometers, about 54 times further away than Neptune. This giant orbit suggests that gravity from other massive bodies could be influencing it, possibly even a mysterious Planet Nine.

This theory suggests that a large, unseen planet, about 5 to 10 times the mass of the Earth, lurks in the distant regions of the solar system. Its advocates believe that it is large enough to influence the orbit of objects beyond Neptune. The problem is that the orbit of 2017 OF201 does not align with the gravitational patterns predicted by the Planet Nine hypothesis. It orbits in a different direction from one that would be influenced by Planet Nine. However, some researchers pointed out that the study (https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.15806) of 2017 OF201 only considers one specific orbit of Planet Nine in its calculations.

The size of Pluto

Astronomers estimate that 2017 OF201 is about 700 kilometers in diameter, similar to Pluto, the former planet reassigned to dwarf planet status in 2006. Because of its elongated orbit, it is visible from Earth for only brief periods, making further observations challenging.

Planet Nine aside, the existence of this dwarf planet challenges the idea that the outer solar system has few sizeable objects in it. It is now likely that many more distant objects are out there, still detected. This would reshape our understanding of the solar system’s architecture.