USA will "... go on the defensive ... in ways that China may not like"

[lucidity]

So, the story so far.

In 2015, there have been numerous massive explosions in China.
3 of these are thought to have been neutron bombs.

1st Nuke at Tianjin:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/

2nd Nuke at Shandong #1
http://www.naturalnews.com/050898_Shandong_province_massive_explosion_currency_wars.html

3rd Nuke at Shandong #2
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/china-just-had-another-massive-chemical-explosion_082015

4th massive explosion (not confirmed as a nuke)
http://www.naturalnews.com/051082_industrial_explosions_China_currency_war.html


In January 2016 there were 2 more massive explosions in china.

18th Jan 2016
https://www.rt.com/news/329476-explosions-fireworks-factory-china/

9th Jan 2016
https://www.rt.com/news/328384-hunan-chemical-plant-blast/

Neither of these have so far been confirmed as nukes.
So their status remains "massive explosions"

I think it's safe to assume that the Chinese don't like it that someone's
nuking/"massive bombing" their cities.


In early Jan 2016, North Korea tested what it called a 'hydrogen bomb'.
This bomb is thought to be a 4th generation fission-fusion device...
a very, very hi-tech bomb.

Question: Where did North Korea get tech like that ?
veteranstoday.com wrote a piece speculating that perhaps North Korea were
either assisted in their attempts to develop this weapon, or China just gave it them.


Now the US is saying:
We don't like it that North Korea has this bomb.
We're going to apply sanctions to North Korea.

(This is nothing new, North Korea has been living under sanctions for decades)

But this quote, from the New York Times, makes it sound like
America is offering China a thinly veiled threat:



The United States and its allies will bolster sanctions and go on the defensive against North Korea in ways that China may not like if Beijing fails to lend greater support to efforts to curb the North’s nuclear ambitions, a top American diplomat said here on Wednesday.


Could that mean: "stop the North Koreans or we'll bomb you again" ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-china.html?_r=0

I strongly suspect, there'll be more nukes going off in 2016.
It wouldn't surprise me if some go off in America.

be happy

lucidity

[jaybee]

.

Personally - I doubt very much it would be nukes...IF and I say IF the US is responsible --- wouldn't it be more likely to be some sort of very advanced technology.?

But I must confess I haven't looked at your links...

.

[rgray222]

There is very strong evidence that the Chinese are about at the end of their rope with North Korea. China has morphed into a great contradiction. They are a paradox of vigorous capitalist development overseen by the world’s largest Communist party. This paradox will not stand too much longer.

China is at a crossroad in time and history and all indications are that capitalism is already beginning to supersede the old Communist ways. As the population gains more wealth and more education they will force change upon their leaders. History tells us that leaders with that much power are reluctant change artist. When change involves a big shift of strategic direction, the people responsible for the previous direction dread the perception that they must have been wrong. It is a loss of face. Change in China will be nasty but change must happen.

The last thing the Chinese need is a young Kim Jong-un screwing around with his nuclear toys while they are trying to stabilize their own country and decide on a new historic path forward. China is in no position to squabble with the USA, they may rattle their sabers but that is all that it will be.

[Baby Steps]

It's like two conjoined twins holding knives to each other's throats, but surviving with a common heart. Very weird.

I think the North Korean threat refers to an EMP attack. NK being China's proxy.

We need aggressive peace moves on all fronts before the dark tee shirts get all their ducks in a row

[Wide-Eyed]

So, the story so far.

In 2015, there have been numerous massive explosions in China.
3 of these are thought to have been neutron bombs.

1st Nuke at Tianjin:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/

2nd Nuke at Shandong #1
http://www.naturalnews.com/050898_Shandong_province_massive_explosion_currency_wars.html

3rd Nuke at Shandong #2
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/china-just-had-another-massive-chemical-explosion_082015

4th massive explosion (not confirmed as a nuke)
http://www.naturalnews.com/051082_industrial_explosions_China_currency_war.html


In January 2016 there were 2 more massive explosions in china.

18th Jan 2016
https://www.rt.com/news/329476-explosions-fireworks-factory-china/

9th Jan 2016
https://www.rt.com/news/328384-hunan-chemical-plant-blast/

Neither of these have so far been confirmed as nukes.
So their status remains "massive explosions"

I think it's safe to assume that the Chinese don't like it that someone's
nuking/"massive bombing" their cities.


In early Jan 2016, North Korea tested what it called a 'hydrogen bomb'.
This bomb is thought to be a 4th generation fission-fusion device...
a very, very hi-tech bomb.

Question: Where did North Korea get tech like that ?
veteranstoday.com wrote a piece speculating that perhaps North Korea were
either assisted in their attempts to develop this weapon, or China just gave it them.


Now the US is saying:
We don't like it that North Korea has this bomb.
We're going to apply sanctions to North Korea.

(This is nothing new, North Korea has been living under sanctions for decades)

But this quote, from the New York Times, makes it sound like
America is offering China a thinly veiled threat:



The United States and its allies will bolster sanctions and go on the defensive against North Korea in ways that China may not like if Beijing fails to lend greater support to efforts to curb the North’s nuclear ambitions, a top American diplomat said here on Wednesday.


Could that mean: "stop the North Koreans or we'll bomb you again" ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/21/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-china.html?_r=0

I strongly suspect, there'll be more nukes going off in 2016.
It wouldn't surprise me if some go off in America.

be happy

lucidity

What's Corbett Report reporting?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

See Corbett report 'how the west re-colonized china'

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[lucidity]

No, the United States is not nuking China...conventional explosives from internal strife is a valid conclusion. Whether or not that persistent internal strife was fomented by an outside party - that is a matter worthy of debate. They are a communist country, after all...nothing to look up to.

The biggest issues will surface when the global economy really starts to collapse, not just a stock market correction and commodity dump here and there. Countries will really start to lash out against each other once the situation becomes an existential threat to nations. China is about to cross that event horizon...

Hi Buddha Palm,

You understand of-course that these are multi-mega ton explosions.
So for example, the Tianjin explosion consisted of two blasts, a 3 kilo ton TNT
blast, followed by a 21 kilo ton TNT explosion.

"Kilo Ton" means thousands of tons. So a 21 Kilo Ton TNT blast. Is a blast
equivalent to ... 21 thousand tons ... of TNT.

It would take a convoy of lorries, many days, to deliver the
TNT required to make that blast. There's no way on earth it would go unnoticed.

The "...it was conventional explosives..." scenario, is actually less credible
than the nuke scenario. 21 thousand tons of TNT would probably be
several storeys high... and take literally days, perhaps a week, to put in place.

There *is* evidence that nukes were used. See here:
For example: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/

If you have any evidence to the contrary, please post it.

be happy

lucidity

[tomfellows]

You understand of-course that these are multi-mega ton explosions.
So for example, the Tianjin explosion consisted of two blasts, a 3 mega ton TNT
blast, followed by a 21 mega ton TNT explosion.

"Mega Ton" means thousands of tons. So a 21 Mega Ton TNT blast. Is a blast
equivalent to ... 21 thousand tons ... of TNT.

It would take a convoy of lorries, many days, to deliver the
TNT required to make that blast. There's no way on earth it would go unnoticed.

The "...it was conventional explosives..." scenario, is actually less credible
than the nuke scenario. 21 thousand tons of TNT would probably be
several storeys high... and take literally days, perhaps a week, to put in place.

There *is* evidence that nukes were used. See here:
For example: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08/25/confirmation-tianjin-was-nuked/

If you have any evidence to the contrary, please post it.

be happy

lucidity

Thanks for starting this thread Lucidity.

I didn't know there had been so many explosions and I didn't know anything
about this 'neutron bomb' aspect. The main stream media only tells us
what they want us to know.

It's a good point about how much explosives would be required to
make those massive explosions. It's just not feasible to be carrying
explosives in trucks to a detonation site, for days, to create a small
hill of explosives. It would have been spotted, security people or
police would start asking simple questions like: What you doing ?
Why are you doing it? Who's told you to do this ? etc.

So what's your view on all this Lucidity ?
What's happening behind the scenes ?
Is this the run up to WW3 ?
What's going to happen ?

tom

[Sunny-side-up]

Hi tomfellows


Is this the run up to WW3 ?

What would be the/your definition of WWIII?

[Bingo]

Fortunately Veterans Today has been thoroughly discredited even tho Lucidity hasn't gotten the memo.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

'Multi-Mega-ton nuclear blasts' is absurd, I'm sorry. Such stories do not carry a single jot of believability, and should not for one second challenge a discerning mind. Even multi-kiloton explosions, whilst seemingly escaping the attention of every media outlet world-wide, would itself exceed all rational credibility, and is not remotely possible.

[lucidity]

'Multi-Mega-ton nuclear blasts' is absurd, I'm sorry. Such stories do not carry a single jot of believability, and should not for one second challenge a discerning mind. Even multi-kiloton explosions, whilst seemingly escaping the attention of every media outlet world-wide, would itself exceed all rational credibility, and is not remotely possible.

Hi Star Mariner,

Thanks for spotting this distinction between mega ton and kilo ton.
As i said above, i'm referring to 1000s of tons, not millions of tons.

These are seriously huge explosions.
This film was taken a couple of miles away from blast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHQPX2TJPQc

A key characteristic of these neutron bombs is the double blast:
A big initial blast, then 10 to 30 seconds later, a really, really big blast with an obvious blast wave.

You think multi-kilo ton TNT explosions are not possible ?

A simple wikipedia search for 'Little Boy' on wikipedia will show you that
the nuke dropped on Hiroshima had an explosive charge equivalent
to 15 kilo tons of TNT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy

However, 15 Kilo tons of TNT is at the small end of the range.
See this page for a chart of the explosive power of a variety of
atomic devices:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield

Notice that the "Tsar Bomba", the most powerful Russian nuke,
delivers the explosive equivalent of 50,000 kilo tons TNT
(that's 50 Mega Tons).

be happy

lucidity

[Bill Ryan]

.
Just a quick arithmetical note:


mega = million
kilo = thousand

But I don't think they were 'nuclear' blasts, either. The post I have attention on is Buddha's Palm's, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88341-USA-will-...-go-on-the-defensive-...-in-ways-that-China-may-not-like&p=1039522&viewfull=1#post1039522).

He's saying something pretty important: the global instability, following the tipping point when a bunch of nations realize they're bankrupt, may be something quite without precedent. After that, we're all in uncharted territory.




be happy

lucidity
A personal request to lucidity: PLEASE stop saying BE HAPPY. It drives me nuts, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. :)

[lucidity]

.
Just a quick arithmetical note:


mega = million
kilo = thousand

But I don't think they were 'nuclear' blasts, either. The post I have attention on is Buddha's Palm's, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88341-USA-will-...-go-on-the-defensive-...-in-ways-that-China-may-not-like&p=1039522&viewfull=1#post1039522).

He's saying something pretty important: the global instability, following the tipping point when a bunch of nations realize they're bankrupt, may be something quite without precedent. After that, we're all in uncharted territory.




be happy

lucidity
A personal request to lucidity: PLEASE stop saying BE HAPPY. It drives me nuts, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. :)

You're making a "personal" request to me.
But making that request public ? How rude.

request denied :-)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

You think multi-kilo ton TNT explosions are not possible ?

A simple wikipedia search for 'Little Boy' on wikipedia will show you that
the nuke dropped on Hiroshima had an explosive charge equivalent
to 15 kilo tons of TNT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy

Multi-kiloton explosions are maybe possible, even in these instances - but in my personal opinion without any fissionable component, ie non-nuclear. I just do not believe these are 'nuclear attacks'.

[Baby Steps]

No, the United States is not nuking China...conventional explosives from internal strife is a valid conclusion. Whether or not that persistent internal strife was fomented by an outside party - that is a matter worthy of debate. They are a communist country, after all...nothing to look up to.

The biggest issues will surface when the global economy really starts to collapse, not just a stock market correction and commodity dump here and there. Countries will really start to lash out against each other once the situation becomes an existential threat to nations. China is about to cross that event horizon...

Hey, BP
Could you say more about what kind of internal strife may be going on there? I have heard rumours of a kind of communist style of war-lordism, with the big fish building personal loyalty networks within state security apparatus, shoot outs corruption of course. The Chinese State is much less integrated than Westerners might think from appearances.
However I do think the size and timing of the explosions implies it is an external intervention...

[TargeT]

What's Corbett Report reporting?

Corbett is in Japan, I like "china uncensored" for china news ;)

2015 china:
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China Vs N.Korea
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I'm not worried about china at all, they are in a worse mess than the US is.

[Becky]

.
Just a quick arithmetical note:


mega = million
kilo = thousand

But I don't think they were 'nuclear' blasts, either. The post I have attention on is Buddha's Palm's, here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88341-USA-will-...-go-on-the-defensive-...-in-ways-that-China-may-not-like&p=1039522&viewfull=1#post1039522).

He's saying something pretty important: the global instability, following the tipping point when a bunch of nations realize they're bankrupt, may be something quite without precedent. After that, we're all in uncharted territory.




be happy

lucidity
A personal request to lucidity: PLEASE stop saying BE HAPPY. It drives me nuts, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. :)

YESS!!! I'm sorry but it does drive me NUTS!! I will not be happy to order lol. I don't care if I'm not liked for this post.

[TargeT]

YESS!!! I'm sorry but it does drive me NUTS!! I will not be happy to order lol. I don't care if I'm not liked for this post.


Reminds me of one of my favorite books:



The Happiness Trap: Stop Struggling, Start Living
Popular myths about happiness are directly contributing to our epidemic of stress, anxiety and depression - and popular psychological remedies are making it even worse!In this easy-to-read, practical and empowering self-help book, Dr Russ Harris, M.D., reveals how millions of people are unwittingly caught in The Happiness Trap! He then provides an effective means to escape, through a revolutionary new paradigm in Western psychology.Mindfulness is a transformative mental state of awareness, openness and focus. Although mindfulness is worlds apart' from the methods of popular psychology, it is easy to learn, and will rapidly and effectively help you to reduce stress, handle painful feelings, let go of self-limiting beliefs, overcome fear, and generally increase life satisfaction.The concept of mindfulness has been around in the East for thousands of years but until recently, we in the West could only develop this ability if we embarked on a lifelong relationship with traditional Eastern practices, such as meditation, yoga, Tai-Chi, Zen, or the martial arts. However, thanks to a radical new approach that combines the best of Western and Eastern practice, coined Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, or ACT, we can now learn these powerful life-changing techniques in a matter of minutes. ACT has been scientifically proven to treat everything from depression and stress to drug addiction and schizophrenia.
www.thehappinesstrap.com/


Here's a video on one of the chemical plant explosions 5 months ago:
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DEFINITELY looks like a chemical explosion and not a nuclear reaction.

[Calz]

Hmmm ... interesting.

"be happy" never bothered me ... the "siblings" did ... but I digress.


Back to topic I remain to be convinced that this isn't all part of the drive for the masses to accept the NWO script.

I could provide some links for the globalists spelling out the BRICS and China to be the platform for bringing aboard such. They don't even hide these things whether from being convinced it's "game over" or else needing to provide the masses with at least a hint of the truth to justify whatever on our level of acceptance.

The East/West dialectic is nothing more than that.

The nationalist/globalist divide should be more interesting to pay attention to.


So ... are we going to continue to fall for the programming?


Perhaps so ... I see little other confirmable actionable evidence otherwise ...


*sigh*

[mojo]

"be happy" and "siblings" did ...
...thought I was the only one so kept quiet, and now to hear others felt this way Im glad Becky said something. It was especially bothersome after a jab or two...