Where to buy american gasoline

[MorningSong]

Was quite unsure where to post this... mods, move if you like. :)

If you want to make a difference during this economic crisis, buying local/national is definately what I'd do... and try to do here as often as I can.


sabato 4 dicembre 2010 03:56:13
WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE
Jim Kelly
original link at Patriot Freedom


"Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who I get the impression want me, my family and
my friends dead."

WHERE TO BUY AMERICAN GASOLINE. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON. . .. .

Gas rationing in the 70's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even have been good for us! Are you aware that the Saudis are boycotting American products? In addition, they are gouging us on oil prices.

Shouldn't we return the favor? Can't we take control of our own destiny and let these giant oil importers know who REALLY generates their profits, their livings? How about leaving American Dollars in America and reduce the import/export deficit?

An appealing remedy might be to boycott their GAS.. Every time you fill up your car you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia . Just purchase gas from companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.
Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill up my tank, I'm sending my money to people who I get the impression want me, my family and my friends dead.

The following gas companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell...................................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco..................... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil............................. 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway............. 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco................................... 62,231,000 barrels

CITGO oil is imported from Venezuela by Dictator Hugo Chavez who hates America and openly avows our economic destruction! (We pay Chavez's regime nearly $10 Billion per year in oil revenues!)
The U.S. currently imports 5,517,000 barrels of crude oil per day from OPEC. If you do the math at $100 per barrel, that's over $550 million PER DAY ($200 BILLION per year!) handed over to OPEC, many of whose members are our confirmed enemies!!!!! It won't stop here - oil prices could go to $200 a barrel or higher if we keep buying their product.

Here are some large companies THAT DO NOT import Middle Eastern oil:
Sunoco.......................... 0 barrels
Conoco.......................... 0 barrels
Sinclair........................... 0 barrels
BP / Phillips................... 0 barrels
Hess. ............................... 0 barrels
ARC0............................... 0 barrels
Maverick........................ 0 barrels
Flying J. ......................... 0 barrels
Valero............................ 0 barrels
Murphy Oil USA* ......... 0 Sold at Wal-Mart , gas is from South Arkansas and fully USA owned and produced.
*Not only that but they give scholarships to all children in their town who finish high school and are legal US citizens..

All of this information is available from the U.S. Department of Energy and each company is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. But to have a real impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers With the help of the internet, it's really simple to do. Now, don't wimp out at this point....keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at only ten more (30 x 10 = 300)....and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000)......and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!
If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it....THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE-the entire population of the
United States of America !

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[Robstar]

Sorry to tell you this but this whole thing does not work the way this "rant" seems to make it.
There is no such thing as "AMERICAN gasoline".
What happens is that the big boys are the main importers. They bring the crude oil here. The oil gets refined and distributed. Now the smaller companies buy the refined product locally and by locally they mean here in north America.
Now, they have not imported anything so they can report that they bought their product locally, but in reality they have only bought the refined product locally and the crude oil comes from the same source.
There is no way you the consumer can know where the raw crude oil came from.
Ask the gas station where they buy their gas from then follow it up and you will see.

If you want to do some good then may i suggest driving less instead of this misguided plan!

I don't mean to be rude but the message you are spreading is filled with half truths and misconceptions.
If you think buying from one company will reduce the price you are sadly mistaken.

[MorningSong]

Dear Robstar, I am just a humble messenger and, obviously, you did not get the message nor do I think that your post reflects the "avalon" spirit. I do not want to appear rude, either. I am expressing my honest feelings which you seem to not understand.


I don't mean to be rude but the message you are spreading is filled with half truths and misconceptions.
If you think buying from one company will reduce the price you are sadly mistaken.

I am NOT a fear monger nor "dis-info" spreader as your accusations imply, as I did not write this article. I DID proclaim my support for buying local/national in times of crisis of these. And as for my driving less, I only put 2000km on my car last year, FYI. I do realize that the "age of Crude" must end for environmental et al reasons, but in the meanwhile.... I am almost completely self sufficient in most sectors, so I don't need your preaching.

I do not think that the open forum is the place to dispute your opinion of my integrity. Please discuss the article, not me. (There are such things as PM's, you know.)


What happens is that the big boys are the main importers. They bring the crude oil here. The oil gets refined and distributed. Now the smaller companies buy the refined product locally and by locally they mean here in north America.
Now, they have not imported anything so they can report that they bought their product locally, but in reality they have only bought the refined product locally and the crude oil comes from the same source.
There is no way you the consumer can know where the raw crude oil came from.
Ask the gas station where they buy their gas from then follow it up and you will see.

Why don't you back this up with examples and links to validation? Comments/opinions fired at blank-point are much more harmful than my posting an "interesting" article, be it truthful or in error. Is it true that "American gasoline" doesn't exist? Is it true that buying products made in your home country/town doesn't have an impact on the economy/ people's lives? That, I think, is an interesting discussion.

By attacking my person and not the information presented, you admit your own resignation and defeat, as the guilty dog, also, barks first.

Wishing all enlightenment and forgiveness if I have erred.

[Bill Ryan]

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Trying to help here if I can (Mod Hat half on) ...

MorningSong was honestly trying to help here. Robstar, your response might have been just a little sharp.

But in my opinion, I have to say that I believe Robstar is quite correct. The idea of the real significance of any national boundaries here is almost certainly an illusion.

For instance, we've heard from sources such as Alex Jones, Lindsey Williams and (I believe) Daniel Estulin how future global oil prices are debated and agreed in the Bilderberg meetings.

Oil prices are not set by market supply and demand. They're used as one part of a complex, giant control mechanism with a definite strategic purpose.

I have been told myself that to better understand the controllers' global strategies, one has to let go of all notions of meaningful national boundaries.

Nations are devices - cards to play, or chess pieces to move - as part of a larger game whose goals are fairly well hidden. Markets, currencies and commodity prices operate in the same way.

[Celine]

Here is some interesting info...seems almost to good to be true..

Ethanol The Road to a Greener Future
What is Ethanol?
Ethanol: A Renewable Fuel

Ethanol is a liquid alcohol that consists of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. It can be produced from any biological feedstock (for example, cereal grain) that contains sugar or materials that can be converted into sugar, such as starch. In Canada, ethanol is currently distilled primarily from grains such as corn and wheat. Ethanol can also be produced from cellulose materials such as agricultural and wood wastes, and fast-growing trees and grasses, although cellulosic ethanol technologies are still being developed and are not yet cost-competitive with conventional production processes.
Ethanol Production and Distribution

As of mid-2002, five plants producing fuel ethanol were operating in Canada: one each in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba and two in Ontario, with a total production capacity of about 175 million litres of fuel ethanol per year. Several other plants were in the planning stage, with the potential to significantly increase Canada's annual production. There are currently about 1000 retail outlets in Canada selling ethanol-blended gasoline, with ethanol sales totalling about 240 million litres per year.
Ethanol for Your Vehicle
Ethanol in Conventional Gasoline Vehicles

It is becoming common practice in North America to blend ethanol with gasoline at concentrations of 7 to 10 percent by volume. All cars built since the 1970s are fully compatible with up to 10 percent ethanol (E-10) in the fuel mixture. All manufacturers approve the use of E-10 blends and warrant their vehicles for this fuel. From a vehicle performance and fuel consumption perspective, low-level ethanol fuel blends are indistinguishable from gasoline. Ethanol is also being blended with gasoline because of its high oxygen content and octane properties.
Ethanol in Special Factory-Produced Vehicles

Ethanol can be used in much higher proportions - up to 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline (E-85) - in special factory-produced vehicles. A limited but growing number of E-85 vehicles are now being produced by auto manufacturers to test market demand for this product. These vehicles can operate on straight gasoline or on any proportion of ethanol mixed with gasoline, up to the 85 percent limit. For this reason, they are known as flexible fuel vehicles. E-85 fuel requires special dispensing equipment, which is one of the factors preventing its widespread use in Canada.
Ethanol in Diesel Vehicles

As is the case with gasoline vehicles, low-level blends of ethanol and diesel fuel can be used in diesel vehicles without modifications to the engine. However, because of the way they operate, diesel engines present special technical challenges for fuels that contain high levels of ethanol. One of these challenges is that ethanol resists self-ignition. To use high-level ethanol blends in a diesel engine, either the engine must be modified to improve its ability to ignite the alcohol or ignition "improvers" must be added to the fuel.
Benefits of Ethanol
Ethanol and the Economy

The development of a substantial ethanol industry in Canada would not only reduce our dependence on imported oil to manufacture gasoline, but would also mean new markets for Canadian farmers and forest companies, create construction and operating jobs at ethanol production plants and help strengthen and diversify rural economies.

New technologies to produce ethanol from plant fibres could help to make ethanol cost-competitive with conventional fuels, leading to further industry expansion. In addition, promising Canadian technologies could lead to further economic growth opportunities in related biotechnology fields.
Environmental Benefits of Ethanol

Ethanol can play a role in helping Canada to meet its climate change objectives. On a full cycle basis, the use of a litre of E-10 fuel instead of straight gasoline can reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 3 to 4 percent if ethanol is produced from grain, or 6 to 8 percent if it is produced from cellulose.Using E-85 fuel instead of straight gasoline can reduce net emissions by as much as 75 percent.

The combination of ethanol and gasoline results in overall increases in smog-producing volatile organic compounds compared with either pure ethanol or pure gasoline. However, this can be overcome by blending ethanol with a gasoline that has been manufactured to have low volatility.

A high-ethanol fuel such as E-85 also produces lower levels of nitrogen oxides and toxic hydrocarbons such as benzene (a carcinogen) than gasoline does. Although E-85 produces higher levels of formaldehyde and other toxic aldehydes, the resulting concentrations are small and are effectively removed by catalytic converters in recent-model cars.
Government Support for Ethanol
Government Support for Ethanol

At the provincial level, the governments of Alberta and Ontario currently exempt the ethanol portion of blended gasoline from their road taxes, without restriction on the ethanol source or the content in ethanol. The governments of Saskatchewan and Manitoba offer an exemption from their road taxes for fuel ethanol produced and consumed in their respective provinces. The governments of British Columbia and Quebec have committed to exempt the ethanol portion of low-level ethanol blends from their road taxes when an ethanol plant is built in those respective provinces. British Columbia currently offers a road tax exemption on the ethanol portion of E-85.

The Government of Canada and some provincial governments have also supported the development and use of ethanol fuel through research and development programs. As well, the Government of Canada and some provinces have ethanol-powered vehicles in their fleets for demonstration and public awareness purposes.

Finally, as part of the Government of Canada Action Plan 2000 on Climate Change released in October 2000, the Government of Canada established the Future Fuels Initiative to increase the supply and use of ethanol produced from biomass, such as cellulosic plant fibre and grains. This initiative includes three main components: the renewal of the National Biomass Ethanol Program, which provides contingent loan guarantees to ethanol producers; funds for public awareness activities; and analysis and research.
The Future of Ethanol Fuel in Canada

Ethanol's future as a transportation fuel depends to some extent on how Canada and other nations address the challenge of controlling atmospheric emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases. Another important factor will be our ability to produce ethanol at a cost that makes it economically attractive to consumers, relative improved production technology for ethanol and co-products from starch and cellulose-based feedstocks should help to make ethanol production more economical in the future. As well, significant changes will be needed in Canada's fuel distribution and dispensing infrastructure to accommodate high-level ethanol blends. Ultimately, competition between fuels in the marketplace and government policies will determine the role of ethanol as a transportation fuel.
For Further Information

Vehicle Fuels
Office of Energy Efficiency
Natural Resources Canada
Tel.: 1 800 387-2000 (toll-free)
Fax: (613) 952-8169
E-mail: vehicle-fuels@nrcan.gc.ca
Web site: oee.nrcan.gc.ca/vehiclefuels

Canadian Renewable Fuels Association
Tel.: (416) 304-1324
Fax: (416) 304-1335
Web site: www.greenfuels.org

[MorningSong]

Ok. Sorry guys if I got a little ranty.... must be PMS (where's my red bracelette...?lol)

Thanks Bill. Of course I realize the complicated path that the whole Petroleum cartel weaves and it's grip of control in the world.

And, yes, Celine, the production of ethynol does give the world an alternative... as long as it does not cause food crisis as many reports expose/hypothesize such as this one:

http://e360.yale.edu/mobile/feature.msp?id=2063

It's still a relationship of balance that someone, somewhere must find. (Come on free NRG!!)

As for national boundries.... what shall we do/propose? Shouldn't we be looking closer to home for our needs? I feel that, just for starts, we should take a good look at what resouces that we can access locally... whether it be food, clothing, water, or whatever. I know that I would miss my oranges from Sicily and my Feta cheese from Greece, but when/if the SHTF, I also know that I will not go rioting in the street insisting that the gov't do something so I can have them. I have other cheeses to choose from just as tastey, and other fruit to appreciate.

I guess that I am lucky, not living in a huge metropolis; that gives me choices and opportunities to pass the buck right here where I live.

I am not suggesting that we should boycott foreign producers or globalization if there are just market practices, just retribution for the foreign workers, just ecological measures in place, etc, etc.. I think it's great that folks can get wild and exotic things in their neighbohood shops. I, personally, am just not that interested in it. I can do without, I think, or be more than happy with what is native to my area.

Back to the OP.... so I am not as informed as I thought I was... I still would promote "Made in America" if I were there as I continue to promote "Made in Italy" here. Is this wrong?

[Snowbird]

I've often wondered which country is the source of the gasoline that I purchase from Sam's Club. I now know that it comes from the states. So for this, I thank MorningSong for starting this thread. But the information below, essentially reflects what has been stated on this thread; it could come from anywhere.

And of course, this info stems from the U.S. However, I would think that a few key words entered into a Google search will yield this same type of info for other areas of the globe.



Can I tell which country or State the gasoline at my local station comes from?

For several reasons, the Energy Information Administration (EIA) cannot definitively say where gasoline at a given station originated:
EIA does not collect data on the source of the gasoline sold at retail outlets.

The name on the service station sign does not tell the whole story. The fact that you purchase gasoline from a given company does not necessarily mean that the gasoline was actually produced by that particular company's refineries. While gasoline is sold at about 162,000 retail outlets across the nation1, about one-third of these stations are “unbranded” dealers that may sell gasoline of any brand2. The remainder of the outlets are “branded” stations, but may not necessarily be selling gasoline produced at that company's refineries. This is because gasoline from different refineries is often combined for shipment by pipeline, and companies owning service stations in the same area may be purchasing gasoline at the same bulk terminal. In that case, the only difference between the gasoline at station X versus the gasoline at station Y may be the small amount of additives that those companies add to the gasoline before it gets to the pump.

Even if we knew at which company's refinery the gasoline was produced, the source of the crude oil used at that refinery may vary on a day-to-day basis. Most refiners use a mix of crude oils from various domestic and foreign sources. The mix of crude oils can change based on the relative cost and availability of crude oil from different sources.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/experts/contactexperts.htm


Sam's Club Gas?
Does anyone know where Farmington, NM's Sam's Club gets there gasoline from?


Oiler
Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
Their gasoline can come from virtually anywhere. Sam's stations are supplied by wholesalers who shop around for the best available rack (wholesale) price. They are not limited to a particular brand, so they have many terminals available to them. They can search for gasoline hundreds of miles away, since a 3 cent per gallon difference in price on a 9000 gallon load means a savings 270 dollars. That much money lets the truck drive long distances, but still make a profit.
Source(s):
I manage fuels inventories for one of the world's largest oil companies. Our wholesalers travel 200+ miles for a 3 cent difference in price.


http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080420103934AAcgpbD



Wal-Mart along with its popular division, Sam's Club has a partnership with Murphy Oil Corp. which operates more than 9,000 gas stations in Wal-Mart parking lots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

[Robstar]

Sorry for being "sharp" . Apologies for sounding rude. No ill energy meant towards you as a person.
My work sometimes takes me into the oil industry and have personal knowledge in the oil industries ways. So when something comes my way that is meant to confuse you instead of help you i get a little heated.
Again not a personal attack. Gods speed.