Frank Landis - Hot Earth Dreams: Will Humans Survive?

[giovonni]

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Greg Moffitt interview author Frank Landis


Frank Landis gives his first ever interview about his book Hot Earth Dreams:
What if Severe Climate Change Happens, and Humans Survive? (http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Earth-Dreams-climate-happens/dp/1517799392)

What will the Earth look like if severe climate change happens, and humans survive? It's not an easy question to contemplate, let alone answer. If severe climate change happens, the Earth will continue to warm for centuries after we've exhausted our fossil fuels. Civilization will shatter, the great artworks and monuments vanishing as cities fall into rubble and coasts disappear beneath rising seas. There will be mass extinctions, coral reefs and ice sheets will vanish, and the survivors will migrate to new homes and habitats for generations as the climate continually changes. Only after hundreds of thousands of years will the climate to return to what we currently consider normal.

As things stand, this is our most likely future. Terrifying as it sounds at first, it's a future that's fascinating to explore. It's crazy, then horrible, then tough, and then increasingly strange. How much of our language and culture can survive? Hundreds of thousands of years from now, will future humans still look the same as us? Weaving together the latest scientific research on climate change, mass extinction, collapse, and evolution, Hot Earth Dreams speculates about a deep future that lies beyond the simplistic scenarios favoured today, presenting a profound challenge to those who insist that humanity's future must be either imminent and total extinction or some utopian fantasy fuelled by ever-advancing transhumanist technology.

Website: http://heteromeles.com/

Published on Jan 26, 2016


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[giovonni]

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[Bill Ryan]

:bump: again.

It's a good, intelligent, well-informed conversation, very thought-provoking. Frank Landis, who is a botanist and ecologist, has never been interviewed before.

The most interesting thing for me (apart from its alarming premise, which seems to me to be not impossible) is the view of humanity's possible future over a huge 100,000 year time scale.

For instance — how do we communicate important information to our descendants, when they may not speak the same language, may have endured all kinds of cataclysms, and present-day computers are designed to last a mere 10 years, and CDs 20? Interesting big-picture stuff.

[TargeT]

:bump: again.

It's a good, intelligent, well-informed conversation, very thought-provoking. Frank Landis, who is a botanist and ecologist, has never been interviewed before.

The most interesting thing for me (apart from its alarming premise, which seems to me to be not impossible) is the view of humanity's possible future over a huge 100,000 year time scale.

Meh... the current "rate of warming" that we are TOTALLY GUESSING AT (finding out how global temperature is measured (https://www.corbettreport.com/lies-damned-lies-and-global-warming-statistics/) was a real eye opener to me) is like what.. .4 degree per 100 years or something? (since 1880 they are estimating temps have risen 1.4 degrees (http://climate.nasa.gov/).... COME ON, how is this NOT alarmist crap??)

and he refers to hydrocarbons as Fossil fuels? Hasn't that been (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/on-energy/2011/09/14/abiotic-oil-a-theory-worth-exploring) dis-proven many times (http://anticorruptionsociety.com/anatomy-of-a-con-job/con-2-oil-is-not-a-fossil-fuel-it-is-renewable/)?

Since we've gone through several ice ages and "warm ages" HOW THE HELL do they know we are not doing exactly that right now?

Alaska used to have rain forests, I've seen the fossils; why do we think that might not happen again... or did we mess up the environment billions of years ago and are just now starting to realize it?

This whole "anthropomorphic climate change" push seems like a guilt trip used to manipulate the population into accepting more oppression.


For instance — how do we communicate important information to our descendants, when they may not speak the same language, may have endured all kinds of cataclysms, and present-day computers are designed to last a mere 10 years, and CDs 20? Interesting big-picture stuff.

Simple, monolithic structures built with very specific measurements & ratios that correlate to nature & knowledge of reality; a decent example is the Great Pyramid @ Giza.

NOW,, are we SMART enough to decipher these "notes from the past" ? well so far clearly not.

[Bill Ryan]

This whole "anthropomorphic climate change" push seems like a guilt trip used to manipulate the population into accepting more oppression.



Yes, that's all being hijacked and used politically. But the warming (and 'weirding') appears to be pretty real.

People can argue about the cause (and it's likely to be complex and multi-faceted) — but the effects are here.

1.4º rise since 1880 (http://climate.nasa.gov/), if that's what the figure is, is a vertical step in the graph. That's like an instant change for the planet. And we ARE in the middle of the 6th major mass extinction, right in front of our eyes.

The real problem is the human lifespan. None of us think this is our problem, and on a day-to-day basis, apart from the occasional extreme storm or drought, we don't really feel all that much difference. Life kind of goes on as it always did.

But — a lot of life on the planet is being snuffed out, right now.

[TargeT]

The real problem is the human lifespan. None of us think this is our problem, and on a day-to-day basis, apart from the occasional extreme storm or drought, we don't really feel all that much difference. Life kind of goes on as it always did.

But — a lot of life on the planet is being snuffed out, right now.

I won't disagree with that, I do completely disagree that we have even the slightest understanding as to why.


I'll also say something about the human life span... 1880 to now is less than a fraction of a blink of an eye & a 1.4* increase in warming is a NASA guess that falls well with in the margins of error(so who knows..) but even if it doesn't it could be very natural during a warming cycle we just don't know....

what if this is something completely different and more electrical in nature... I'm still fleshing this theory out so there's not much more I can say but I do think what is happening here on this little ball has almost nothing to do with what is happening here on this little ball (causation wise).

we KNOW there are plasma filaments connecting from the sun to earth (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2007/11dec_themis/) (we see them as the northern lights)... I think this is yet another topic where key information is missing or disinformation is added and the WHOLE THING gets muddied up.

we KNOW that pendulums & "gravimeters" act erratically when there is a solar eclipse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allais_effect).. (I don't know what the hell a "gravimeter" is.. I don't think there is such a thing as gravity, it's simply a difference in electrical charge...).

it's crazy how one bit of information (gravity existing for example) can change the way we think about so many things... You could easily extrapolate the lack of "electrical universe" knowledge as leading to the "anthropomorphic global warming" fantasy.


And I'm totally open to the fact that I'm completely wrong about that & the phenomenon could be caused by something completely different... but it certainly makes more sense to me than ANYTHING I've heard coming out of the corrupted "globalwarming/climatechange" sphere.


in short:

I don't think there is anything we can "do" about it; though that doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to try and clean up our own messes as much as possible.

[Sunny-side-up]

I'm sure our replacements will be well: water proofed and heat insulated and probably re-charge themselves from the heat!
Those who make/made them will be very happy in their orbiting self contained artificial Eden stations!

I think we are due an Ice-age and the warming up is done on purpose to slow it down!

[oildrops]

Except it's never happened at such a rapid rate before. I am open to the idea of a natural cycle, or the 9th planet effecting things from tectonics to weather patterns.

Anthropomorphic climate change skeptics really have no data (yet) to support their ideas. The info that comes from the far right/ oil backed media/ paranioa war greed machine, seems to be embraced not by the merits of the data, but because it aligns with and anti-liberal party line. From my experience with climate science data, it's solid and the climate scientists and ecologists I know are not connected to a conspiracy. They use the scientific method to make their claims, which are predictions.

What does anyone have to gain from predicting that we have set ourselves up for extinction? It's not too far fetched to me that this started with the industrial revolution. Regardless of carbon, shouldn't we stop with the pollution before we have no clean water to drink or natural wilderness to maintain the balance of life?

[oildrops]

I'm sure our replacements will be well: water proofed and heat insulated and probably re-charge themselves from the heat!
Those who make/made them will be very happy in their orbiting self contained artificial Eden stations!

I think we are due an Ice-age and the warming up is done on purpose to slow it down!

It's a neat idea.

1. It agrees with the (near irrefutable) evidence that humans have altered the climate
2. No one wants to live in space forever, we just don't know how to give up our comforts
3. A natural mini ice age would only last a few decades at most, then we go back to insane heat?

[TargeT]

From my experience with climate science data, it's solid and the climate scientists and ecologists I know are not connected to a conspiracy. They use the scientific method to make their claims, which are predictions.

really? you think they are using the scientific method as it pertains to global average temperature? (which this whole thing is based on).

How many sources do they use to find the "global average temp" what are the error margins (did you know their predictions fall With IN the error margins?)

I think the "Science" is anything but solid, it's dodgy & cherry picked and downright shameful, no conspiracy needed, it's based on funding.

here is a great break down on that:
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What does anyone have to gain from predicting that we have set ourselves up for extinction? It's not too far fetched to me that this started with the industrial revolution. Regardless of carbon, shouldn't we stop with the pollution before we have no clean water to drink or natural wilderness to maintain the balance of life?
Fear is control, the reason to cause fear is control... this has been the favorite technique of governments world wide for as long as we remember... in fact it's SO in line with the MO of governments that to think they are NOT doing it is a bit naive.

no clean water, no natural wilderness.... when's the last time you went out side? that's hyperbole at it's best (to be expected from anthropomorphic climate change believers I suppose, since nearly everything from that arena is extremism) none of that stuff is actually in danger, just "predicted" to be in danger mostly based on findings that fall with in the margin of error.

here's another break down of how the data is so ****ed... seriously this is such a highly complex system; it's arrogant to think that we understand it (while we still cannot even predict the weather accurately 5 days in advance).

trust NO authority figure, PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG.

[oildrops]

No one claims to know what is going to happen. I see a very powerful oil empire with absolutely rubbish data to go against the mainstream anthropomorphic climate data.

When is the last time you tested the river water? Or even your tap water? The soil for arsenic and lead? The air for PM 2.5 particles from car exhaust? Your cheese and fish for nuclear isotopes? Lets get real here, our roommates have trashed the place and are now looking for ways to bail.