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ThePythonicCow
28th January 2016, 06:48
Another master piece by the one and only Brandon Smith: How Do You Know When Your Society Is In The Midst Of Collapse? (http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2791-how-do-you-know-when-your-society-is-in-the-midst-of-collapse).

I will quote just the first part of it. Go to the above link to read it all.

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As economic turmoil worldwide becomes increasingly apparent, I have been receiving messages from readers expressing some concerns on the public “perception” of collapse. That is to say, there are questions on the average person’s concept of collapse versus the reality of collapse. This is a vital issue that I have discussed briefly in the past, but it deserves a more in-depth analysis.

What is collapse? How do we define it? And, are some of the notions of collapse in the public consciousness completely wrong?

It’s funny, because skeptics opposed to the idea of a U.S. collapse in particular will most often retort with a question they think I cannot or will not answer – “So, Mr. Smith, when specifically is this supposed collapse going to take place? What day and time?”

My response has always been – “We’re in the middle of a collapse right now; you really can’t see it right in front of your sneering face?”

The reason these people are incapable of grasping this kind of answer is in large part due to the popular mainstream conceptions of systemic collapse. These are conceptions that are for the most part delusional and not in line with the facts. The public idea of collapse comes predominantly from Hollywood, and not from personal experience. For the masses (and some preppers, unfortunately), a collapse is an “event” that happens visibly and usually swiftly. You wake up one morning and behold; the television and phones don’t work anymore and zombies are at your doorstep! Yes, it’s childish and cartoonish, but anything less than a Walking Dead/Mad Max scenario and many people act as if all other threats are benign.

This is the driving reason why many Americans are absolutely oblivious to the economic instability that is rampant and blatant within our system the past few months. They might see the same signals that alternative analysts see, but these signals do not register in their brains as dangers.

Look at it this way; say you told a person their whole life that a tiger is a 10-foot tall behemoth with four heads that breath fire while urinating flesh-rending acid. Say you make movies and TV shows about it and they never have any experience to the contrary. When they finally come across a real tiger, they might try to pet the damn thing instead of running in terror or searching for a means of defense.

To use another vicious animal analogy, when I encounter skeptics with false assumptions of what a collapse actually is, I am often reminded of that woman in Anchorage, Alaska who jumped an enclosure fence at the zoo to get a closer picture of Binky the polar bear. These people have been made so inept when it comes to identifying threats that they will continue arguing with you as the animal takes a football-sized bite out of their meaty thigh.

So what is the root of the problem beyond Hollywood fantasies? Well, the problem is that social and economic collapse is not a singular event, it is a PROCESS. Collapse is a series of events that sometimes span years. Each event increases in volatility over the last event, but as time goes on these events tend to condition the masses. The public develops a normalcy bias towards crisis (like the old “frog in a boiling pot” analogy). They lose all sense of what a healthy system looks like.

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The observation that something is a "process" not an "event" is repeated so many times it risks losing its meaning.

I know of this phenomenon in a different form in the computer business.

I have been engaged in leading edge computer technology over 40 years now. One thing I've noticed over and over through the years:
Events and schedules in the short term take longer than anticipated, but the depth and impact of changes over the longer term are more dramatic and fundamental than anticipated.

Sunny-side-up
28th January 2016, 15:10
Hi Paul, interesting post.

This is probably off topic but I think it relates in some subtle ways.


Look at it this way; say you told a person their whole life that a tiger is a 10-foot tall behemoth with four heads that breath fire while urinating flesh-rending acid. Say you make movies and TV shows about it and they never have any experience to the contrary. When they finally come across a real tiger, they might try to pet the damn thing instead of running in terror or searching for a means of defense.

I have to say though I don't like Brandon Smith's analogy in that context.
The analogy is actually the scenario I see being woven into the population concerning ET's and UFO's IE.
Those of us who haven't had contact experience and or even studded the pronominal (Have/Made their own mind up) will run and or shoot first!
While those of experience will try to converse in the situation and or help the situation become a conversation, applying this to the post context the collapse might not actually happen.

WE have been so conditioned to jump to the defense stance, some take it all the way into aggression and so get the result they feared!
It has been the way of humans for quite some time, I don't think it was always this way.

So as an analogy it would be very counter productive in ET meetings, which is probably why we are still so backwards in ET conversations,
especially as PTW, Hollywood and the like continue to program us to have such attitudes.

Example of a personal kind:
I by my own means came face to face with what I was later told was a Djinn. Now this entity looked very fierce, something to be fared of, something to run away from, as I did. The compounding problem was to actually leave it's presents I insulted it with my actions :(. I now know how to be different in such occasions, I know now through extended knowledge that Djinn are in fact as different as we are, some good some bad, some in-between etc.
Point is I had been programmed to act the way I did. In these future times that are unfolding we all need to take chances and have a historically different approaches, break the programming,if possible, which in directly Mr Brandon Smith is enforcing with his allegories.

Sorry Paul back to the full topic.

What is the main reason for our actions within a collapse, why don't we see it , why do we take the fear based path?
Mainly I think because we are purposefully kept subdivided, we are not collectively in the situation.

ThePythonicCow
28th January 2016, 17:38
What is the main reason for our actions within a collapse, why don't we see it , why do we take the fear based path?
Mainly I think because we are purposefully kept subdivided, we are not collectively in the situation.

It seems to be a basic part of human (and animal) life ... to react rapidly to immediate potential threats, changes or opportunities, but to "tune out" slowly changing "background" events.

The higher intellectual and spiritual parts of us, such as the astronomer studying the changing signs of the Zodiac over millenia, or the village elder, teaching the younger the ways of the seasons, notice longer term matters. But our base emotional and physical levels are mostly tuned for short term changes.

Seeing a slow term economic train wreck requires that we step back from, or up above, those base levels, and view with a bit more detachment the longer term changes. From that perspective, with neither fear nor warmth, but simply awareness, that we can better observe such a slow term economic train wreck. Then, as our awareness improves, we can decide whether to translate that awareness into immediate action, such as adding a bit more food to our pantry or paying down our debt burden what little bit that we can that week.

The confusions and divisions are purposeful ... I agree. Such further empowers those who have a better view of what's happening and how they are manipulating humanity.

Curt
28th January 2016, 18:11
The observation that something is a "process" not an "event" is repeated so many times it risks losing its meaning.

A 'process, not an event'. That seems like a good principle to hang onto.

Looking at lots of things in this light would probably be helpful: JFK, 9-11, to name a couple.

These 'events' were the culmination of long-term processes.

That day in Dallas, or that morning in Manhattan were just the moments when we finally noticed those processes in action.

Maybe seeing them as 'events' punctuates them- makes them feel final and resolved. It gives them a definable end, like a work of fiction.

Seeing them as part of a process would lead to dangerous considerations that these processes might still be underway: that even recent 'events' could be seen as continuations of said processes.

Whoa Nelly.

That's the sort of thing that'll get a guy in trouble.

Anyway, apologies for the off-topic musings. :focus:

ozmirage
28th January 2016, 18:19
I think that collapse was experienced in 1933, when the FDR regime destroyed constitutional government.

Since FDR liberated all the privately owned gold money and criminalized the possession of gold by "free" Americans, it's pretty obvious that "law-abiding" government is a thing of the past.
http://bestamericangold.com/confiscation/

STATE OF EMERGENCY
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency#United_States

As of October 2014, thirty states of emergency remain in effect, one reaching as far back as the Roosevelt Administration.

United States, Senate Report 93-549 states: "That since March 09, 1933 the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency." Proclamation No. 2039 declared by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on March 9, 1933. This declared national emergency has never been revoked and has been codified into the US Code (12 U.S.C. 95a and b).
. . . .

Senate Report 93-549
https://archive.org/stream/senate-report-93-549/senate-report-93-549_djvu.txt
War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."

FREEDOMS ... GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION ... HAVE BEEN ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...

Constitutional U.S.A. (1787 - 1933) R.I.P.