David Paulides' research: over 2000 inexplicable abductions in National Parks, wilderness, and urban areas

[Carmody]

Now add in the google earth kmz file for the vortex maps, the energy grid and geometric shape overlay for the resonance of the sphere of energy that surrounds and permeates the earth - the dimensional energy flow and crossing maps.

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

then the gravity and magnetic anomaly maps

http://topex.ucsd.edu/grav_outreach/

http://bgi.omp.obs-mip.fr/activities/Projects/world_gravity_map_wgm

http://geomag.org/models/wdmam.html

You will have to track some of the maps down, and getting the abduction list into a a kmz file may be an issue, but as a refining and defining research tool, to sharpen understanding of what is or may be going on, it might just be unequaled.

It's all out there. This can be up and running inside of a few days. I've outlined it before, right here on this forum.

Possibly why I'm probably one of the few who cannot edit their images or get at them at all, on this forum. My image capacities and what images I've added to this forum, are, for some reason..a really big mess.

I'm still locked out of my image addition and manipulation on this forum.

Perhaps I'm being overly paranoid but the data I was providing was producing some interesting directions and confirming some potentials. Big time.

Also correlation to underground bases, entity sightings, waterspouts, all kinds of phenomena, temporal, dimensional, energy beings, ghost like sightings, and so on. Dimensional and energetic patterning, all being systematically laid out in a base research data set.

It was starting to take shape, and gain in definition and thus predictability and thus theory and hypothesis. the kind everyone can follow as an evidential trail.. I covered this subject of these abductions, near the end of it and it fit quite well. The posts are on the forum here.

That is when my imaging capacity for this forum failed/broke.

Those images are key to getting the data across to people, so they understand.

I don't use my own imaging service as I don't leave anything that allows casual research into my person.

[Flash]

I am locked out too and have been for a few years, yet, I posted almost none (no images) - i have no idea what I could have posted that could have been controversial (for PTB). In fact, I consider myself pretty lame as a poster.


Now add in the google earth kmz file for the vortex maps, the energy grid and geometric shape overlay for the resonance of the sphere of energy that surrounds and permeates the earth - the dimensional energy flow and crossing maps.

http://www.vortexmaps.com/hagens-grid-google.php

then the gravity and magnetic anomaly maps

http://topex.ucsd.edu/grav_outreach/

http://bgi.omp.obs-mip.fr/activities/Projects/world_gravity_map_wgm

http://geomag.org/models/wdmam.html

You will have to track some of the maps down, and getting the abduction list into a a kmz file may be an issue, but as a refining and defining research tool, to sharpen understanding of what is or may be going on, it might just be unequaled.

It's all out there. This can be up and running inside of a few days. I've outlined it before, right here on this forum.

Possibly why I'm probably one of the few who cannot edit their images or get at them at all, on this forum. My image capacities and what images I've added to this forum, are, for some reason..a really big mess.

I'm still locked out of my image addition and manipulation on this forum.

Perhaps I'm being overly paranoid but the data I was providing was producing some interesting directions and confirming some potentials. Big time.

Also correlation to underground bases, entity sightings, waterspouts, all kinds of phenomena, temporal, dimensional, energy beings, ghost like sightings, and so on. Dimensional and energetic patterning, all being systematically laid out in a base research data set.

It was starting to take shape, and gain in definition and thus predictability and thus theory and hypothesis. the kind everyone can follow as an evidential trail.. I covered this subject of these abductions, near the end of it and it fit quite well. The posts are on the forum here.

That is when my imaging capacity for this forum failed/broke.

Those images are key to getting the data across to people, so they understand.

I don't use my own imaging service as I don't leave anything that allows casual research into my person.

[ThePythonicCow]

That is when my imaging capacity for this forum failed/broke.


I am locked out too and have been for a few years, yet, I posted almost none (no images)

From what I can tell, Carmody bumped into the normal per-user limit for attachment disk space. For any active forum user who is making reasonable use of that attachment space, and who is bumping into the limit, I bump the space to a larger number, about 7 times larger. But I still keep the normal limit in place for most members, to avoid having some member (whether accidentally or intentionally) bring the forum down by consuming all the space on the server some night while I'm sleeping.

So I bumped Carmody's limit to the 7 times larger value.

I bumped Flash's attachment space limit too, even though she's no where close to the normal limit. I don't know what's impeding Flash's ability to upload attachments. Perhaps you will be able to upload more attachments now, Flash ... perhaps not ... depending on what's causing the problem.

(Actually, a hint of things to come very soon, I expect that I'll give every member a bump to 2 times as much allowed disk space for attachments, as a minor consequence of a major server upgrade that I've been working on for the last month. More details to come soon.)

[skogvokter]

The documentary is out

Trailer: http://www.missing-411.com/



amazon.com: https://www.amazon.com/Missing-411-George-Knapp/dp/B072MS5WN3/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497366368&sr=8-1&keywords=missing+411+the+movie


http://www.canammissing.com/missing-411--the-movie.html

[Spellbound]

I downloaded the new Missing 411 movie and started watching it last night....just finished it now. The torrent is here: https://idope.se/torrent/missing%20411/2354cc325f5f8b69cb3c33ef318a968e1fd906f9/


A few points of my own here:

- First and foremost, the cinematography of this film is top notch. All the wooded areas, topographical shots, etc....it honestly looked liked a big budget nature film. I was very impressed in this regard.

- The case of little Deorr Kunz Jr.....2 year old toddler who disappeared while camping with his mother, father, grandfather, and grandfather's friend...this was showcased throughout the entire movie. For me, I don't think this was the right case for the movie simply because, imo, there are a few things that are off here...and don't truly represent what Missing 411 is about. The parents refused offers from various news agencies (CNN and others) to do stories on this case and bring it out into the public eye. The grandfather was slightly unstable, and the friend had prior convictions. Also, when the mother called into 911 to report the disappearance, she didn't (imo) sound overly concerned (I would have expected her to be hysterical but it was far from it). The private investigator who the parents hired later quit by sending a letter telling them that he didn't trust them and that he himself felt something was off here. Deorr may well have disappeared in typical Missing 411 fashion, but I think there could have been far better cases to showcase here in a major movie.

- They seem to focus mainly on children disappearing in national parks. Only in the last 5 minutes of the movie (over the course of 30 seconds) do they elude to the fact that this is happening to people of all ages and not just in overly rural areas....but urban areas as well...and it is worldwide.

- David Paulides is seen very briefly at the beginning (a few seconds)...and is not shown again. His audio clips are put in throughout in small doses.

- They don't really mention the main attributes of Missing 411 in any fashion. Nothing about bodies usually found in water face up, very little about severe changes in weather after a disappearance (it was mentioned in passing very briefly), sometimes gov't agencies are seen at areas shortly after people disappeared but are not there on behalf of the victims family...and many other attributes that we hear about in a David Paulides interview on C2C.

- Nice to see Les Stroud make an appearance.

Overall, I did enjoy this movie (I had been looking forward to it). However, I we left wanting more...more of the usual Missing 411 attributes. I would have preferred cases that really make you scratch your head (like hunters that disappear in areas that they know like the back of their hand....or urban disappearances (ie-Henry McCabe and the strange voicemail....or Elisa Lam). There were no theories offered up in this movie (not that I expected any). I still believe that a majority of the Missing 411 cases are the result of interdimensional beings with the ability of opening a portal for the purpose of abducting people....though for what purpose I shudder to think...also, unsure why some are returned.

I'm happy this film was made as this is a very important topic for discussion (and very thought provoking). I do think Parks Services (and other gov't bodies) are aware of some sort of phenomenon going on but are hiding what they know.

Good film overall, and I'd recommend it to anyone who is interested in this topic.

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

By the way, if it's not ok for me to have listed the torrent....please feel free to edit my post and take it out. I had asked Bill previously (in a different thread...different topic) if torrents were ok to be listed and he implied that it was fine by him.

Dave - Toronto

[mgray]

I agree with you SB. I thought it was a poor example for the central plot because it implied and stated by the parents that one of the campers killed the boy. My assumption was that they all agreed to be interviewed, which other victims' families would not.

I guess this film was not meant for us, but for people not aware of the disappearances.

I too did enjoy the cinematography.

[skogvokter]

Very disappointing. And I was really looking forward to this. It covers 4 cases and keep going back to the Deorr Kunz case and questioning the family's involment.
If I'm right I thought David Paulides always says he won't investigate a case if it looks like it could have been an animal attack or family related.
Wheres the mystery? There so many unexplained cases not touched upon in this documentary.
You better watch an interview with David Paulides.
This documentary was a real hit and miss.

Oh and do not go too their facebook site and write a bad review, it's gonna to be deleted.

[Bill Ryan]

I watched the film just now. I do largely agree with Spellbound/Dave in his long post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1163059&viewfull=1#post1163059).

Bulletpoints:


Yes, beautifully filmed. But it was a case of form over substance, at least quite a lot of the time. There was at least 20-25 mins of video, maybe more, that had no place or reason to be there, apart from because of someone's sense of 'style'.



They got lost in their storyboard. The film-makers seemed to forget where they were going, or how best to get there. In a subject as important as this, every minute of video counts. There's a fair number of things I'd have done differently, with a 7-figure budget.



Dave Paulides, I'm strongly suspecting, undersold himself by declining to be mainstage. But he's by far the best presenter of this material, and is doing himself (and, importantly, the material) a disservice by not being prominent. He should have been the linking commentary/voiceover, cutting every now and then to standalone 30-60 second clips from a new on-camera interview with him by George Knapp, filmed in a studio, stressing all the aspects of the bigger picture — which really was missing.



More emphasis should have been given — by more people — to the highly strange, totally unexplainable nature of the phenomenon. Way too easy here for a new viewer to come away thinking, heck, it was just a cat or a bear, of course, or maybe some psychopath, even a family member or friend. Too many of the people on camera actually spoon-fed those ideas to the viewer.



Again, this is Paulides over-compensating by being much too reasonable. A HUGE mistake of his. In over an hour and a half, not one person came close to saying anything like: "The only logical conclusion is that someone or something, which had intelligence, just grabbed them directly out of this reality."



That would have taken just 10 seconds of video. I'd have made sure that someone said that, even if I'd scripted the line for them — and would have accompanied it with a long, 15-seconds-to-slow-fade, onscreen text caption. Maybe twice... at the start of the film, and also then repeated at the end.

[AutumnW]

Could Paulides have been pressured to be low key to the point of no key in "the interests of national security." I note that the Robert Salas, Malmstrom missile silo interference story -- the BEST evidence for UFO activity in our airspace is routinely overlooked by documentarians. And the higher up the media food chain, the more it's overlooked. Of course that story has national security implications. Ufos messed with nuclear missile launch codes.

So, the national park disappearances, framed as they are in this documentary, could be part of a decoy strategy. Very frustrating. What are they afraid of? Is there a very real threat there, much more than we are currently aware of? Is it so huge it represents a threat to national security?

[Bill Ryan]

The documentary is here, till 7 July:


https://we.tl/OrV6j4mpof (https://we.tl/OrV6j4mpof) (1.9 Gb mp4)

[mgray]

Is it odd that the documentary is out and offered on iTunes (where I saw it), and yet David is not out speaking about it? This was a labor of love for him, and he is not out promoting it.

[avid]

Struggled to download, got a few minutes via iPad then it stopped, tried my olde imac and preparing to download for over an hour so sadly gave up, really wanted to watch this! Dratted equipment and connectivity, and probably my ineptitude technically, is there any other way I can view this? Thanks in advance....

[avid]

Is it odd that the documentary is out and offered on iTunes (where I saw it), and yet David is not out speaking about it? This was a labor of love for him, and he is not out promoting it.

Don't want to buy via itunes....

[Tintin]

Is it odd that the documentary is out and offered on iTunes (where I saw it), and yet David is not out speaking about it? This was a labor of love for him, and he is not out promoting it.

Don't want to buy via itunes....

Any joy now with being able to watch this at all? It'll play alright as an mp4 running on Windows platforms. That's the frustration with iPads - limitations with flexibility....

[DNA]

I first heard of this story in a conversation David Paulides and Whitley Strieber were having in connection to folks who go missing given strange peculiar circumstances.
Whitley quoted this story and here we are.


This story takes place in Indonesia, where the population knows not to go wearing any other color than black or white when traversing the mountains and forests.
This they say is because the Djinn are roaming these parts, and they will abduct you, and you will never be seen from again.
This story reads like an H.P. Lovecraft story, it's chilling in it's implications.




Disappearances in Indonesia


Friday, May 28, 2010


An Unknowncountry.com reader, Alan Lamers, working on the island of Sulawesi in Indonesia reports that many people are disappearing in the jungle, apparently due to a very unusual form of abduction that takes place if they wear certain colors. Some are returned, but generally with no memory of what happened to them.

His report follows:

I am on an island called Sulawesi in Indonesia. To be exact, I a writing this from the city of Makassar also known as Ujung Pandang Sulawesi Selatan (South Sulawesi).

I started running across this story about 3 years ago when I went to a small village in the district of Sandu Batu in South Sulawesi. I was told not to bring any clothing with yellow in it or any other bright colors to wear in the jungle. Only Black or White. Black was the most preferred. I had to ask why. They said that people who wear these bright colors will disappear.

I thought it was some kind of cultural taboo that had a harsh punishment if broken, so I complied of course. We got to the village and everyone wore black. The villagers verified that people do indeed disappear but this village would not say why. When we got there, rested, met with the leaders of the village, about 10 of us proceeded to go into the jungle to witness illegal logging that was occurring there and the villagers wanted to show us the damage.

One of my friends, who is a Bugis-Makassar, didn't listen or understand the warning and wore yellow socks. We did our tour and returned. He was strangely quiet. That night he became extremely ill. I had never seen a person projectile vomit that hard. He had an extreme fever also. We nursed him and about a day later he returned to his healthy self. Then he told us what happened.

He said something had bitten him on his right legs calf and then his thigh. He showed us the marks. They were huge scratches. He said he could not see what was attacking him. He said he did not want to tell us what happened because he was embarrassed. The villagers stood around us with these knowing looks while we looked at the marks.

I asked them what it was. They did ant to say, but they said he was very lucky. Usually people disappear. I was stunned. It was not a taboo. It was a serious threat.

I just came back from the city of Palopo last night. I went there to visit a friend. Then I heard this story from her. Her cousin and four others went for a three day hike in the mountains about an hour out of town. When they did not return she began to worry. after about a week things got very serious.

She hired a search party with her own money, you have to understand she is poor so the cost to her was enormous. I know it was a few months ago because she would send me notes apologizing for not having the money to pay me her monthly loan payment. I found out it was because of the search party. Anyway I digress, she spent a month in the mountains searching for her cousin and his friends. They found only her brother.

He was severely emaciated but was still alive. He was also traumatized. He was also alone. The families of the missing men forced her and her family to continue searching for the four missing people. They have never been found. Not a trace. Not even a body. They just disappeared.

The brother has no memory as to what happened. He does not know how they got separated. He was so traumatized by what happened he did not speak for two months. I questioned him a bit but I stopped for now because he was returning to his previous state.

I asked my friend what she thought happened. She said it was the Jin. Jin is Arabic for demon. She said many many people have disappeared in the mountains because of the Jin. I asked my engineer friend who I worked with about this early today. He said it happens often and reminded me of Wala Wala the village we had gone to. Entire cultures have developed around this problem. They wear only black because they believe this allows them to travel through the jungle undetectable by whatever it is that takes these people. At first I thought perhaps it was a python. The largest snake ever caught was python. It was caught in Sulawesi. I was immediately corrected. Snakes are not a problem to grown adults they said. That theory died on the spot.

There is something taking these people Whitley. Something terrible and evil in Sulawesi. The people of Sulawesi have come to terms with it and have tried to adapt themselves to deal with whatever it is. It has gone on long enough to bend culture. I will continue to investigate what this is. It is one of the strangest and most dangerous true stories I have ever come across. Could it be extraterrestrials? Maybe but who? It would be easy for extraterrestrials to hunt human beings here because villages are so remote. I go by foot to many of them.There are few roads in some areas. Also 85% are Muslim and therefore people are not allowed to talk about this sort of thing and the religion treats this circumstance as nonsense because it does not fit into doctrine and is in constant competition with Animism. People are embarrassed to talk about it. This is a wild world Whitley.

Indonesia is one of the most volatile geographical areas in the world. The energy produced allows all sorts of entities to exist. Spirits are rampant here because of this. There word for Spirit is Hantu. I have experienced Hantu many times while here in Indonesia but that is another story.

Our correspondent provides this follow-up to his continuing investigation:

After a bit of a talk with some people who got the young man who had survived the hike in the jungle to talk, I interviewed and recorded the information as best as I could.

I found out he kept seeing what the Bugis call Jin Kurcaci. It means little demon people. These things do what is called "penculikan" or abduction. No one knows why they do this. But sometimes the people come back after a bit. The people or creatures who do this have a small nose and their eyes are small and black, but their mouths are very broad and when they smile it is very large compared to the rest of their face. He could not remember the color of their skin. I asked for a picture to be drawn. He managed a crude happy face with a nose consisting of a single line and a huge grimace. The boy was the only one who could see them out of the five.He kept seeing a lot of them but when he would try to show the others one of the four who disappeared could see them.

He also saw a strange animal he could not recognize. These animals are the size of a horse with huge antlers. He said he saw herds of them. He could not understand where they came from or why there were so many. They not an animal indigenous to the area. There is no such known animal that big in Sulawesi.

Apparently this is a widespread problem. The reason why I say I recorded the conversation as best as I could what I mean is that the batteries in the recorder which were just changed before I arrived went dead during the interview. This has happened before to me. So did the battery in my keyboard which is also new. I will be going home in a week but am stopping in Java first to see if this anomaly is occurring there. I keep getting told it happens a lot. I mean a lot. I did a search "Orang Hilang" or "disappearing person" and a lot of stories showed up. But the stories are in Bahasa. I plan on translating as many as I can because I have first hand experience.

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Read the original source: http://www.unknowncountry.com/insight/disappearances-indonesia#ixzz4qFeCabRP These folks seem to be of the opinion that the Djinn can not see you if you wear solid black or solid white. Is this the reason middle eastern folks and Muslims are often wearing solid black and solid white most of the time?
The dude getting bitten by an invisible creature was quite a trip.


This taking place in Indonesia and the talk of the Djinn has me thinking of the television program "lost" I believe this program would have taken place in this area.
I would like to note the "smoke monster" in the televevision show which seems to have been taken from Middle Eastern folklore in it being a Djinn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49zPM-aU3Yc
49zPM-aU3Yc


Alan Lamrs is interviewed by Whitley Strieber here. He expands on the quoted phenomenon that took place in Indonesia.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuLYu7VV6ik
vuLYu7VV6ik

[Spellbound]

There have been reports from some people about seeing some sort of invisible entity/object similar to that of the movie Predator. Personally, I think a bulk of the Missing 411 cases are due to interdimensional beings abducting people through portals...which this type of phenomenon could tie into.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luZklMqLgDs

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8o9yXgm65U

[Spellbound]

Gonna bump this thread with another good (short) Paulides clip I just stumbled upon.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhPNy7hPcWU

Dave - Toronto

[DNA]

There have been reports from some people about seeing some sort of invisible entity/object similar to that of the movie Predator. Personally, I think a bulk of the Missing 411 cases are due to interdimensional beings abducting people through portals...which this type of phenomenon could tie into.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luZklMqLgDs

Dave - Toronto

I agree with this, but why is it that national forests are a source for this.
Why don't portals show up in the middle of new York F@cking city?
Just saying.
I'm with you though, it appears to be certain entities who can step in and out of portals.
And the occasional hungry sasquatch that will straight up eat a mo fo.
You know I'm with you on this stuff Spellbound. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AdbAEjgiHQ&t=447s
1AdbAEjgiHQ

[findingneo]

I don't think it is a coincidence that the portals used between dimensions, are in remote areas. They are in places (generally) where people are not. Or at least they are where people who are a threat to them, are not. Seems to be places like dense rain forest, or wilderness forests, or remote or hardly visited forests are. I doubt it is a coincidence that in the U.S. you are not allowed to enter a cave, whether it is well known, or discovered by you. So it will be partly due to protecting archaeological artifacts and cave paintings, preventing folk from coming to a grizzly end in the caves, but also, I suspect, a way to keep people away from whatever might live in these caves that the governments don't want people to know about, like reptilians or the like.

It would not surprise me if these folk going missing are used in hybrid experimentation/cloning.

[Foxie Loxie]

How about the DUMBS?! :confused:

[Spellbound]

While many Missing 411 cases are rural....it it not limited to rural only. Some are urban. Though, when you think about it, it would be much easier to take someone in a rural setting than urban. I do think it is due to interdimensional entities opening portals and targeting people. I also think the gov't knows much more about this phenomena than we could guess.

Dave - Toronto

[Bob]

I don't think it is a coincidence that the portals used between dimensions, are in remote areas. They are in places (generally) where people are not. Or at least they are where people who are a threat to them, are not. Seems to be places like dense rain forest, or wilderness forests, or remote or hardly visited forests are.

I doubt it is a coincidence that in the U.S. you are not allowed to enter a cave, whether it is well known, or discovered by you.

So it will be partly due to protecting archaeological artifacts and cave paintings, preventing folk from coming to a grizzly end in the caves, but also, I suspect, a way to keep people away from whatever might live in these caves that the governments don't want people to know about, like reptilians or the like.

It would not surprise me if these folk going missing are used in hybrid experimentation/cloning.

Hia - I am curious, do you have a reference on your quote: "I doubt it is a coincidence that in the U.S. you are not allowed to enter a cave, whether it is well known, or discovered by you. "

I do caving regularly, and have not seen such things posted. I have seen warning signs on private property about not entering a person's private "mine shaft" due to the potential danger of cave-in, or noxious gas, or oxygen shortage..

thanks

references about "caves" / "caverns"

http://caveofthewinds.com/ - "Cave of the Winds" - Manitou Springs, Colorado -

“Great Activity for the Family!”

This was so fun! We did the cave tour and the wind walker/zip line attraction. Our tour guide was fun and informative, and seeing the inside of a cave was a cool experience!
Joanne A., Maine

"An Ideal Family Tour! You’ll wind your way through nearly a half mile of Colorado caverns.

"You’ll experience total cave darkness, and explore the wonders of the underground.

"Cave of the Winds Mountain Park is one of the highest show caves in the country!"

List of Caves in Arkansas open to the Public - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_caves_in_Arkansas

for instance - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_Cave_(Arkansas)


Onyx Cave is a small show cave located about six miles (9.6 km) east of Eureka Springs, Arkansas. It has been a tourist attraction since 1893, making it the oldest show cave in Arkansas.

The cave does not contain onyx, but rather flowstone, also known as "cave onyx". During the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century many such caves were named similarly.

Visitors are guided through the cave by audio head sets which inform them about chambers and rock formations.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Howdy y’all, I just got turned onto this Missing 411 thing with Paulides. I watched his movie and listened to 20 hours of his interviews, haven’t read any of his books yet.

I wanted to apply some critical thinking before exposing my noggin to other opinions or the content in his books.

The main thing that concerns me, other than the pain I feel for the lack of closure for the victims families, is the fact that Paulides is the only info vector with a dismissive attitude toward theories, without proposing his own.

I shot a long video and want to share with you, enjoy!

STY0rYJuAv4

[DNA]

While many Missing 411 cases are rural....it it not limited to rural only. Some are urban. Though, when you think about it, it would be much easier to take someone in a rural setting than urban. I do think it is due to interdimensional entities opening portals and targeting people. I also think the gov't knows much more about this phenomena than we could guess.

Dave - Toronto
If you have portal technology it changes the game.
There is now no difficulty what so ever in taking folks from populated areas.
I'm reminded here of how Jim Sparks told a story of how he was abducted by a joint Grey/USMillitary group and how the Greys were helping the US Millitary group fine tune and perfect a teleportation device, which is basically a portal device.
If you can manufacture a portal you would pretty much be able to make it identical to teleportation.
I say this because I propose that the forests have something other than people which make them attractive to who ever is using portal technology. They are not going to the forests to abduct people, they are in the forests and then they stumble upon someone they like for one reason or another.
I'm guessing the energy of the forest is as attractive to "others" as it is to us.

[Bill Ryan]

I shot a long video and want to share with you, enjoy!



Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. :)

Buddy. :bearhug:

Kudos to you for all your work, and all your good intentions.

But read the books.

[The Moss Trooper]

Paulides own, personal theory, has it that Sasquatch take the missing....... Although you will never hear him state that on video or audio recording. In-fact, he has been told, in-no-uncertain-terms, to keep his own, personal theory to himself at all costs'. The reason? $. Something else he will not do, is compare statistics to major cities. The reason? $. If he were to do so, you would soon see how the National Park stat's pale into insignificance against these, even with the high-strangeness attached.

In the UK, Manchester and Bristol seem to be the hot-spots for these tell-tale disappearances, next to water, foot-wear missing, etc, etc.

There is something very strange going on, no doubt, but i'st part of a far bigger story, and not just confined to the wilder areas on this planet.

[Bill Ryan]

Paulides own, personal theory, has it that Sasquatch take the missing...
[ snip ]
In the UK, Manchester and Bristol...

Huh? :)

[The Moss Trooper]

Paragraphed second to last sentence for ease of understanding. I am relaying what DP told someone that I have been in touch with, what his own, personal, theory is. I don't agree with it, either do those that have financial connections with Canam & DP. We can all look at the evidence and come up with multitude theories.

If you look at this link: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/missing-people-greater-manchester-list-13415161, and other's, you'll see that a lot of these cases have hall-marks' of Paulides hi-lighted cases. 13,500 reported missing in Greater Manchester alone in 2016. Look at the sex and age-range of those that have "vanished without a trace". Look at the number of those that were found next to, and in, bodies of water, even after being searched by police dive teams. It is an interesting correlation.

[Bill Ryan]

Paulides own, personal theory, has it that Sasquatch take the missing...
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In the UK, Manchester and Bristol...

Huh? :)


Paragraphed second to last sentence for ease of understanding. I am relaying what DP told someone that I have been in touch with, what his own, personal, theory is. I don't agree with it, either do those that have financial connections with Canam & DP. We can all look at the evidence and come up with multitude theories.

If you look at this link: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/missing-people-greater-manchester-list-13415161, and other's, you'll see that a lot of these cases have hall-marks' of Paulides hi-lighted cases. 13,500 reported missing in Greater Manchester alone in 2016. Look at the sex and age-range of those that have "vanished without a trace". Look at the number of those that were found next to, and in, bodies of water, even after being searched by police dive teams. It is an interesting correlation.

You missed my point! That was that there haven't been very many Sasquatch sightings in the UK, Manchester and Bristol. :)

Nor in Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland (e.g), or in Australia... or any of the city areas in the US where impossible disappearances have occurred, like the guy who vanished without trace from a nightclub with 24/7 security cameras showing he never left the only exit.

This is why Paulides doesn't publicly speculate on explanations. Nothing fits, except for some kind of unthinkable interdimensional predator — many of them, of course, operating in, or into, many different locations.

He doesn't want to state THAT, definitively, one reason being that he might lose the co-operation of many of his law enforcement and Search and Rescue colleagues and contacts.

The reason why he negates so many proposed hypotheses is exactly as Sherlock Holmes said:



Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
He's coaching us to reach the only possible conclusion for ourselves.

[Mike]

It's interesting and a little amusing - if you listen to Paulides on Coast, he may talk for a couple hours before the listeners call in...and after hearing their questions I'm often left wondering if they've been listening to the show at all!:)

They are so eager to offer their theories - which are sometimes spoken of in dogmatic tones - that they miss all the evidence offered by Paulides that would likely make those theories impossible.

This much is clear: there are no "common sense" explanations or any logical, pedestrian sort of explanations for what he is describing. I think we can safely conclude that.

What's left is either something paranormal or so highly technological that all offered explanations will almost certainly be conjecture. In other words, one of the main reasons he stays silent on what's doing this is because his guess is as good as yours! LOL.

He's a detective. He sticks to facts. He doesn't mind conjecture, but he assiduously keeps that in a separate category. And I think that's one of his best strengths. It gives the whole thing a kind of integrity so many other paranormal investigations lack

[Joe from the Carolinas]

I shot a long video and want to share with you, enjoy!



Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe. :)

Buddy. :bearhug:

Kudos to you for all your work, and all your good intentions.

But read the books.

Thank you Bill :) I just started his latest one, needless to say, this is highly disturbing !

[DNA]

How about the DUMBS?! :confused:
I'm of the opinion that there are deep underground alien bases, and I think it quite possible that many of the parks happen to be built on top of them.
We have a member here that started the thread below back in 2012 on David Paulides and his premise was just that, that these Missing Cases Paulides is talking about might just be due to deep underground alien bases. Also I believe that the thread below is the only one here on Avalon to have had an actual person from the Missing 411 books show up and expand further on their story. Misskat is the Grandma of the little boy who was taken from the campground just outside of Mt. Shasta. She was the one interviewed by Paulides on the case of her grandson who according to him was taken by a robot who could project his grandmother's image, this facade stopped as he was taken into a cave, an old cave where remnants of clothing and guns from the 1800's littered the floor.
Are National Parks A Cover For Underground Alien Bases? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47280-Are-National-Parks-A-Cover-For-Underground-Alien-Bases)

[sunwings]

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Here is a torrent link to David and his Sons documentary. For those who can download them.

https://thepiratebay.cr/torrent/18478949/Missing_411_-_Documentary_by_DavidPaulides_feat._Survivorman_mp4

[sunwings]

Starts at 1:25:00

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In this interview David mentions a story about the wife of Bruce Maccabee who is a very well known optical physicist and a distinguished member of the UFO community. This is the only story in his books which does not involve a disappearance, but there are so many facts to support the incident David thought it deserves to go into the book. His wife was bow hunting and sat inside a small hut waiting for deer to come into range. All of a sudden the forest went completely silent and around 20 feet away (6 metres) a distorted figure moved between the trees and by chance a photo was taken. After his wife explained what happened Bruce played a clip from the film Predator, and his wife jumped up and said YES, exactly like that.

This is her photo

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This is a clip from predator of what I imagined she saw. (Without Arnie :highfive:)

https://static5.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147508/5768950-predator+feat+speed+%285%29.gif

[Bill Ryan]

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Just a note: It's a great interview, as always, but this is a clickbait-pirated re-upload of the show from 31 July 2016. (Why doesn't YouTube take action against this? It's fraudulent.)

Nothing new here — unless you've NOT heard this, in which case, of course, it's highly recommended. :thumbsup:

[sunwings]

Yes, you are right Bill, it is pure click bait. The problem is when one video on youtube finishes, another comes on afterwards and you just sit back and carry on listening without checking if it is clickbait. Just a quick search for David Paulides in youtube channels brings up twenty accounts. And I still have no idea which, if any are actually his? This is a massive problem in the community.

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[Matthew]

I was thinking it was canam missing project :unsure:

https://www.youtube.com/user/canammissingproject/videos

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Thanks Bill. It seems like there are nearly daily clickbait re-uploads with Paulides' name in them, with "new" or whatever in the title, all of which are regurgitated interviews from months if not years ago.

Not only is this practice deceptive, it also muscles out original content on the same subject because of the frequency. Filtering by most recent videos yields re-posts.

I do wish that David would have more of an active youtube presence through his actual channel, canammissing. Then again, all of these re-posts do serve as free labor and advertisement for his project, which deserves a great deal more attention.

[ThePythonicCow]

Not only is this practice deceptive, it also muscles out original content on the same subject
This is as intended, I would conjecture.

Youtube, rather than discourage re-uploads of "controversial" material (which it could obviously do, with its ability to match up similar content across multiple videos), instead seems to encourage it, by allowing the reuploaders to monetize their channels and by not blocking reuploads.

Then it ends up being the reuploaders that we cuss at, not Youtube.

This is yet another form of soft censorship.

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Not only is this practice deceptive, it also muscles out original content on the same subject
This is as intended, I would conjecture.

Youtube, rather than discourage re-uploads of "controversial" material (which it could obviously do, with its ability to match up similar content across multiple videos), instead seems to encourage it, by allowing the reuploaders to monetize their channels and by not blocking reuploads.

Then it ends up being the reuploaders that we cuss at, not Youtube.

This is yet another form of soft censorship.

Excellent point of view, I hadn't considered the idea that they were throwing mud in the water.



I started reading paulides' off-the-grid book and posted an update. A fairly significant turn-around in my thinking, compared to just listening to his interviews. I've seen some commenters posting that Paulides lifted stories out of another book on Yosemite's missing people. Even if true, that doesn't change the fact that these people indeed went missing under bizarre circumstances.

I'm seriously intrigued.

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[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks, Joe! Keep'em comin'!! Always love your unique take on things! :bigsmile:

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Thanks Foxie.

I went into some peer reviewed research to try to get a handle on his big profile points.. this one's a long one.

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[Foxie Loxie]

Woof! Woof! :dog::dog: I must say, I've learned a lot about search dogs that I didn't know! :bigsmile: You certainly DO research, Joe! Thanks for sharing with us what you have learned! I wonder if the cluster maps of both Bigfoot & David's cases have any similarity? :confused:

P.S. I still can't figure out what those little white things are on your Grow Your Own medallion??? :noidea:

[Joe from the Carolinas]

Woof! Woof! :dog::dog: I must say, I've learned a lot about search dogs that I didn't know! :bigsmile: You certainly DO research, Joe! Thanks for sharing with us what you have learned! I wonder if the cluster maps of both Bigfoot & David's cases have any similarity? :confused:

P.S. I still can't figure out what those little white things are on your Grow Your Own medallion??? :noidea:

Thanks Foxie :) that’s a great question about paulides’ cluster map comparisons. From what I can figure, his Bigfoot cluster map only covers the Pacific Northwest, so it’ll be tough to find funds to buy one and compare the two. Maybe another Avalon member has the Bigfoot map?

Also, the little white things on the medallion are little ufos that just created a crop circle. There are 3 on the bottom left, and 3 on the top right.

[Ewan]

From memory; there is a Paulides video out there, giving a talk to an audience, where he shows two maps one after another, missing persons and bigfoot sightings, and they are remarkably similar.

Unfortunately it will lead many to conclude the two are related and the problem is solved. I don't think it is that simple, though I don't dismiss it either.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks Ewan...most interesting! Hey Joe! Grow your own Crop Circle?!! :bigsmile: Wonder if you've ever seen the rock a man found in AZ, I believe, that has the exact same formation as a crop circle that was seen in Eng.? I believe it was on the History Channel quite awhile back. Totally amazing, to say the least! :sherlock:

[DNA]

This is an excellent article. It focuses on the largest missing persons cluster David Paulides refers to in Arizona, which is the Verde Valley running through Sedona AZ.

The author, Mike Davis seems to be a Sedona local and specializes in information regarding it. He also has sourced his article quite well which provides more food for research if one is so inclined to do so. I've visited the website of Mr. Davis and it is brimming with articles regarding Sedona and vortexes, including one on Bradshaw Ranch. The original article is HERE (https://legends.atavist.com/verde-valley-bigfoot-the-missing-411).

And Mike Davis's site is here. https://legends.atavist.com/
Note to mods feel free to truncate this post as you see fit.




Verde Valley Bigfoot: The Missing 411

Why are people going missing in the Sedona/Verde Valley?

Mike Davis (https://legends.atavist.com)



It is a sad fact that people go missing every day. Some stories make headlines; many do not. If a local person goes missing the community is usually quick to jump into action to locate the person as quickly as possible. However, since the Sedona/Verde Valley region has an estimated over 4+ million visitors a year who travel to the area from all over the world by various means there seems to be the possibility of a rather large gap in reported numbers for the people are not being reported missing locally but perhaps somewhere in between.

An inexperienced hiker who takes one of the local trails sometimes gets lost. Tourists and even locals may look at the small geographic area of the region and the surrounding wilderness and assume they couldn’t get lost. However, just a few miles through the terrain can prove dangerous and in some instances, fatal. When there are missing persons locally, or when authorities have been able to track a person of interest to the area, usually the local newspapers are quick to step into action asking the local community for help sometimes giving hope in the meantime by stating “Missing person reports don’t have to end tragically.” Nevertheless; missing person cases in the area are common. The Sedona Red Rock News reports:
“Missing persons notifications are also common in our newsroom. While some missing people are just overdue and are located a few hours or a day later, others remain missing for months until another hiker or search crews find the person’s remains.”[1]
According to a major Arizona news source, there are at least 2,000 Arizonans reported missing right now, and 1,500 cases of unidentified remains.[2] (These numbers ironically are way over some of the estimates presented in “Stains in the Sediment (https://legends.atavist.com/stains-in-the-sediment)” of 1100.) Currently, of the total number missing persons, there are at least 151 missing and unidentified children in the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children’s Arizona database.[3]
Arizona Public Media claims Arizona mysteriously is somehow “leading the nation in missing person cases” after conducting an interview with detective Stuart Somershoe who works cases for missing and unidentified persons in the Phoenix Police Department.[4] Arizona Public Mediastated Federal statistics show high numbers in Arizona stating:
“Arizona has more sets of unidentified remains and, per capita, missing persons cases than almost any other state, according to the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System, known as NamUs.”
Federal statistics show about 2000 missing persons in Arizona, among an estimated 80,000 nationwide. Phoenix police detective Stuart Somershoe stated:
“We know there’s a lot more out there than what are being reported to us.”
Where are all the people going?
David Paulides, a police officer for over 20 years and author of Missing 411, created a map after careful research bringing to light 28 clusters of missing people across the continent. This map clearly has the Verde Valley region as the #1 place in the state to go missing. In other words, more people disappear in the Sedona/Verde Valley area than anywhere else in the state. According to Paulides:
“People who dissapear inside National Parks are not found listed on a database anywhere in North America as a missing person.”[5]

39072 After researching 1000’s of cases there was found to exist a geographical clustering effect by David Paulides to most of the disappearances. The top map shows where these 28 main cluster areas located in the United States. According to this map the Verde Valley region is the major hotspot in the state of Arizona.
It appears the Verde Valley is the area where more people are vanishing than anywhere else. To think Arizona ranks as being one of the highest in the United States than this should raise some alarms and questions. Is the Verde Valley region one of the highest ranking in the United States for disappearances and why? The high number of missing persons per capita reportedly going missing is alarming enough on its own merit but to find out the Sedona/Verde Valley area is the hotspot to vanish is a completely different story. Something appears to be happening to people in the region and nobody is or has been talking about it until now.
The most startling detail released by David Paulides and his team was a connection made through research very odd mysterious disappearances are taking place in areas where there is ironically found the name “devil.” On Coast to Coast AM Paulides stated:
“A lot of people over the last 5 years we’ve done research on have disappeared in those geographical areas where there’s devil in the name. The people I am around everyday I work with we look each other in the eye sometimes and can’t believe what we have found.”[6]
As the top image reveals there is the “Devils Bridge” located in Sedona as well as “Devil’s Kitchen.” Does this possible point to and have a connection to all the people reportedly going missing in the region according to the map Paulides and his team of investigators created? Could the devil really, in this case, be in found in the details? It is a little odd places where people are vanishing have the name devil in its details...
After 20+ years leaving the police force, Paulides became a cryptozoologist, researching and publishing books on the topic of Bigfoot, as well as on the disappearance of people to which he attributes unspecified unknown causes.

According to Wikipedia:

“Paulides has said North America Bigfoot Search was instrumental in the genesis of a paper published in 2013 claiming Bigfoot was real: “The world needs to understand that North America Bigfoot Search was the organizer of the study. We orchestrated the search that led to picking Dr. Ketchum to conduct a study of bigfoot DNA. The resulting paper documented the analysis of 111 samples of hypothesized Bigfoot DNA and was written by eleven different authors: Melba S. Ketchum, P.W. Wojtkiewicz, A.B. Watts, D.W. Spence, A.K. Holzenburg, D.G. Toler, T.M. Prychitko, F. Zhang, S. Bollinger, R. Shoulders, and R. Smith. On November 24, 2012, DNA Diagnostics, a veterinary laboratory headed by Ketchum, issued a press release prior to peer review claiming that:
A team of scientists can verify that their 5-year long DNA study, currently under peer-review, confirms the existence of a novel hominin hybrid species, commonly called ‘Bigfoot’ or ‘Sasquatch,’ living in North America. Researchers’ extensive DNA sequencing suggests that the legendary Sasquatch is a human relative that arose approximately 15,000 years ago as a hybrid cross of modern Homo sapiens with an unknown primate species.”
The Bigfoot Connection
Northern Arizona appears to be in the prehistoric panic mode where Bigfoot sightings are a normal occurrence. The area in the state of Arizona where more Bigfoot sightings occur than anywhere else is reportedly the Verde Valley. These unusually large creatures, who very well might account for the giant skeletons recovered in the area as reported in the local newspaper numerous times back in the day, have reportedly been seen on more than a few occasions by local residents. (Finding numerous newspaper articles about giant remains to go with the eyewitness accounts has to give some credit to all the sightings.)[7]

Does this perhaps have a connection to why so many people reportedly are going missing in the region?

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The area in Arizona where more Bigfoot sightings occur than anywhere else is the Sedona/Verde Valley region according to the Joe Rogan Experience (https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/8eo1bd/map_of_bigfoot_sighting_locations/). The History Channel came to the same conclusion. Bigfoot Sighting Density Map - ©2009 History Channel (http://www.bigfoothunting.com/2015/09/where-does-bigfoot-live.html). Other maps broke down by county have also been constructed by Frontiers of Zoology (https://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2012/02/some-observations-on-bigfoot.html) showing the middle of the state as being the major hotspot. To date, there is no complete database of Bigfoot sightings. Add to the fact the creature is called by so many other names and the reported sightings statistics are rather difficult to pin down much like the creature itself. However, to date, all researchers who have investigated Arizona sightings have concluded the same area in the middle of the state has more activity than anywhere else.
Some groups like BFRO (Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization) an all-volunteer network of bigfoot/sasquatch researchers, archivists, and investigators have numerous reported sightings in Coconino (http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_county_reports.asp?state=az&county=Coconino), Apache (http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_county_reports.asp?state=az&county=Apache), andYavapai (http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_county_reports.asp?state=az&county=Yavapai). According toBFRO Coconino county has more reported sightings than anywhere else with Yavapai County coming in 3rd. Coconino and Yavapai County are both in the middle of the state next to each other basically forming the boundaries of the Verde Valley. With the area having so many Bigfoot sightings a person has to wonder if there is a connection with the mystery of all the people vanishing into thin air in the region. Is there a connection between the two? Besides getting lost and exposed to the rough elements found in the region what on earth could be making all the people seemingly fall off the face of the earth?
The UFO Connection
In 2018 UFO Desk Reference published the results of a study conducted crunching UFO sighting numbers from NUFORC (National UFO Reporting Center) and MUFON (Mutual UFO Network). The results compared numbers of 2001-2015 to the 2001-2017 numbers for ranking purposes. In terms of national percentages according to the numbers: the Top Ten States still represent 52% of the Nation’s sightings and the Top Twenty States still represent 74% of the Nation’s sightings.
<img draggable="false"> According to UFO Desk Reference (https://www.facebook.com/ufodata/photos/a.416370408714653.1073741828.403783719973322/593501114334914/?type=3&theater) Arizona ranks in the top 10 for having the most UFO sightings in the United States.

Holding on tight as being a hotspot for UFO activity Arizona holds its rank at #7 being in the top 10 in the United States. The number of sightings in the state has gone up in the last couple years it appears. According to Ex-State Senator Dave Schmidt “the Sedona/Verde Valley region has the highest UFO traffic in the state” and at one time the world.[8] Proof the region has the highest UFO activity can be found if a person looks close enough something outlined in Sedona/Verde Valley UFOs (https://legends.atavist.com/sedonaverde-valley-ufos).
With the Sedona/Verde Valley region having the highest UFO and Bigfoot sightings per capita in the state, a person has to wonder if there is a connection to all the people vanishing as well.
The Mogollon Monster
Researchers seem to agree something slightly inhuman may be wandering amongst the Ponderosa pines and Pinyon-Juniper woodlands of northern Arizona. The Mogollon Monster is Arizona’s version of Bigfoot mostly spotted in the center region of the state along the Mogollon Rim, although it has allegedly been spotted in the Verde Valley region going into Prescott and in the Grand Canyon. Facts about this creature are about as rare as the monster itself. Described across many accounts as a large human-like creature, having green or red eyes, covered in white, gray or black-brown hair covered everywhere but on the face, hands, feet, and chest. Its origins are unknown. Tales of the monster have been reported many times dating all the way back to 1903 when I.W. Stevens told the Williams News:

“I saw … a man with long white hair and a matted beard that reached his knees. He wore no clothing and upon his talon-like fingers were claws at least two inches long. A coat of gray hair nearly covered his body, with here and there a patch of dirty skin showing.”
Changing the name of a Bigfoot creature into something like the Mogollon Monster seems to be a way for people to be able to deflect from the truth speaking about paranormal aspects on the down low without becoming labeled or creating a stampede by alerting people. However, unlike simply calling the reported creature a Bigfoot, this beast has been given the special title of “Monster.” Reports state the creature is highly territorial and can, at times, be quite violent.
Cryptozoologist Don Davis believed he encountered the monster on a Boy Scouts camping trip sometime around 1944 near Payson, Arizona. Davis recounted his tale stating:
“The creature was huge. Its eyes were deep set and hard to see, but they seemed expressionless. His face seemed pretty much devoid of hair, but there seemed to be hair along the sides of his face. His chest, shoulders, and arms were massive, especially the upper arms; easily upwards of 6 inches in diameter, perhaps much, much more. I could see he was pretty hairy, but didn’t observe really how thick the body hair was.”
There is also an account from a woman who said she saw the creature describing it as hairy, black and about 8 feet tall. The Native American people living in the area of reported sightings have had encounters as well. In 2006, Collette Altaha stated:
“We’re not prone to easily talk to outsiders, but there have been more sightings than ever before. It cannot be ignored any longer.”
The fact Native Americans see and experience this creature to the point where they are forced to contact their police department should point to the fact something is happening.
CONCLUSION

People should NEVER disappear and not be found. Perhaps the ancient Anasazi people who resided in the area in ancient times were also vanishing. At places like Montezuma Castle, the ancient people very well could have been forced to battle Bigfoot-like creatures thus forcing them to build the “Castle in the Cliffs” out of self-defense and ultimately the reason to risk climbing up 100 foot of primitive rope and stick ladders each day in an area having no natural predators to warrant the risk. Today on modern ladders people would find it rather difficult to go up 100 feet (10 stories) of modern ladders straight up and down each day yet for some strange reason the people of the time did. Something must have been happening in the area in ancient times forcing the area's inhabitants to go live in cliffs. Wonder if the same things were happening then as now, “Were people vanishing?”

Bigfoot legends around the Sedona/Verde Valley area go back over a hundred years. Sheepherders would not drive their sheep through Sycamore Canyon to summer pasture because of “Giant Hairy Men” that lived in Sycamore Canyon. This was reported clear back in the 1800’s.[9]

There are still reports of the locals stumbling upon a Bigfoot here and there. “The beast was scaring off the fish.”, reported a shocked camper, “The creature had a foul odious body odor, and the filthy body noises it made frightened birds and wild varmits - - they were running for cover. I was scared senseless!”[10]

A few friends decided to go camping by the General Crook Trail in the Verde Valley where for two long nights the guys had rocks thrown at them from just a few feet away that by all accounts turned out to be a Bigfoot. When the men saw a rock come flying out of a bush one of them zoomed into the bush with night vision goggles and spotted something very large and tall, crouching and staring back at them.[11]
While touring property under construction a man encountered “several 9-foot-tall Bigfoot-type creatures that appeared to be guarding the site.” Then a real estate agent for Century 21 relayed a similar sighting near Cottonwood Creek the year before. The agent said the creature was massive and covered in black curly hair.[12]
The famous local Bradshaw Ranch is on record spotting Bigfoot numerous times after owner Linda Bradshaw took photos of the sighting to be professionally developed when she noticed a multitude of strange things including orbs of light, aliens, UFOs, and a Bigfoot creature she later called “Big Girl.”[13] Big Girl would often reportedly leave Linda Bradshaw long sticks arranged in geometric patterns as well as bang and rap on a tree trunk or a fence post with a heavy stick three times in order to get Linda’s attention acting as a greeting.[14]
Was “The Verde Valley Giant (https://legends.atavist.com/the-verde-valley-giant)” a bigfoot otherwise known as the Mogollon Monster?
Though reported sightings of both Bigfoot and UFOs occurring at the same times and places are not uncommonly reported by eyewitnesses. The concurrence of these events is generally dismissed as coincidental and is not considered a matter of serious inquiry. However, over thirty years ago writers/researchers such as John Keel and Dr. Michael Persinger maintained there is a definite connection between Bigfoot and UFOs. This observation was independently made by both. As strange as these phenomena are, even more so are the mysterious Orbs seen in the forests which according to eyewitness accounts and legend have the ability to shapeshift. Could the UFO orbs somehow be turning into Bigfoot-like creatures? Is Bigfoot the pet of Aliens?
The fact the Sedona/Verde Valley area has the highest Bigfoot and UFO sightings in the state is a good indication something is occurring in the region. Add to this the fact more people are reportedly vanishing in the area than anywhere else and you have a mystery worthy of notice.
Author and journalist Nick Redfern who specializes in a wide range of unsolved mysteries, including Bigfoot, UFO sightings, and alien abductions have made the case for the association of Bigfoot-type creatures with unusual magnetic conditions found at vortex sites and mystery luminosities or light-forms. Are these reported UFO luminosities or orbs connected to the Bigfoot sightings? In 2008, Nick Redfern published There’s Something in the Woods, in which he wrote about some of the strange things taking place in the forests. There’s something strange taking place locally in the forests enough to warrant the US Government to purchase ranches as well as all the land around such locations. The Bradshaw Ranch (https://legends.atavist.com/revelations-from-the-bradshaw-ranch-portal-2017) is a perfect example.
National Forest Service officials appear to remain unfazed by these reports of otherworldly activity. However, the amount of paranormal activity recorded would make a person think the surrounding desert was some kind of intergalactic airport and has many of the locals scratching their heads. UFO’s, giant skeletons, eyewitness accounts, and the numbers of missing persons each year all point to the very distinct possibility something rather odd is going on in the region. The fact people consider the area to be one of the all-time top UFO hotspots from around the world is a good indication all the eyewitness accounts perhaps have some substance after all.[15]
Researcher and author Graham Hancock coined the phrase, “we’re like a species with amnesia,” and it’s true. These discoveries indeed shake the foundations of many people’s belief systems for it brings to light the realization the human race has been kept from so much information and forced into a specific worldview. The fact is that Bigfoot is beyond weird: there’s far more going on than a big old ape lumbering around and conveniently never getting caught. Nevertheless, the biggest question remains to be answered, “Why are more people reportedly disappearing in the Sedona/Verde Valley region than anywhere else?” Is this something that has been going on for a long time or is it a more recent phenomenon and what are the possible causes?

Instead of looking after the fact for a missing person there are some good tips on how not to stand out like a sore thumb while out exploring the great outdoors in the Sedona/Verde Valley region like knowing 90% of the people who went missing were wearing bright colored clothing. The strange vanishings are taking place between 2:30-7:00 PM oddly around the same time of weather events like thunderstorms... Where are all the people going? It’s almost like they are being pulled into some kind of mysterious vortex...
SOURCES

[1] Missing persons reports don’t have to end tragically (http://www.redrocknews.com/editors-blog/9840-missing-persons-reports-don-t-have-to-end-tragically), Sedona Red Rock News.
[2] 70 missing person reports processed at ‘Missing In Arizona Day’ event (http://www.azfamily.com/story/36652154/70-missing-person-reports-processed-at-missing-in-arizona-day-event), AZ Family.
[3] Missing Children in Arizona: 151 Open Cases (https://www.abc15.com/news/news-photo-gallery/missing-children-in-arizona-138-open-cases#id0), ABC News Arizona.
[4] Gone Missing: Arizona Nearly Leading the Nation in Missing Persons Cases (https://www.azpm.org/s/28448-missing-in-arizona/), Arizona Public Media.
[5] David Paulides (02-19-13) Missing 411 & Bigfoot DNA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeT2FG88PIM)
[6] David Paulides Very Odd Mysterious Disappearances are Increasing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pPa5UI8i3g)
[7] The Verde Valley Giant (https://legends.atavist.com/the-verde-valley-giant), Verde Valley Vortex.
[8] Bradshaw Ranch UFO Investigation Sedona Arizona, Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iMOAzXflGQ).
[9] Bigfoot Sightings Locally (http://tomdongoufoparanormalblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/bigfoot-sightings-locally.html), Tom Dongo.
[10] Sedona Scare as Arizona Sasquatch Spotted! (http://bigfootwatchnews.blogspot.com/2016/07/scare-in-sedona-as-arizona-sasquatch.html)
[11] Eight Guys In Arizona Just Got The Crap Scared Out Of Them Last Weekend, And They Had Guns Too (http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/07/eight-guys-in-arizona-just-got-crap.html)
[12] Sedona, Arizona Summer 1989 (http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/sedona.htm), Bigfoot Encounters.
[13] 7 of the Most Bizarre Facts About the Bradshaw Ranch (http://www.destinationamerica.com/thehauntist/7-of-the-most-bizarre-facts-about-the-bradshaw-ranch/), Destination America.
[14] Mysterious Sedona (https://books.google.com/books?id=tFozYLI6xQ8C&pg=PT45&lpg=PT45&dq=bigfoot,+bradshaw+ranch&source=bl&ots=SilCq5cQB5&sig=GUkOONdIFZ0_1zVXTsgBY3vr_nw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiO7LKa5czaAhUKwFQKHWKKCHUQ6AEwDnoFCAAQjQE#v=onepage&q=bigfoot%2C%20bradshaw%20ranch&f=false), Tom Dongo.
[15] The All Time Top UFO Hotspots From Around The World (http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2013/05/all-time-ufo-hotspots-from-around-the-world.html), Educating Humanity.
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[Spellbound]

From memory; there is a Paulides video out there, giving a talk to an audience, where he shows two maps one after another, missing persons and bigfoot sightings, and they are remarkably similar.

Unfortunately it will lead many to conclude the two are related and the problem is solved. I don't think it is that simple, though I don't dismiss it either.

I know those maps...and I agree they are very similar to each other. I'll chalk up a few 411 cases to Squatch perhaps....but like you, I humbly believe there is something much more sinister involved with a majority of them and not related to Bigfoot at all. For me it boils down to interdimensials having the ability to open and close portals and taking people. That being said...yes, the bigfoot map and the 411 map are indeed very similar.

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

Yep.....that's it. Spooky ain't it!!

Dave - Toronto

[DNA]

From memory; there is a Paulides video out there, giving a talk to an audience, where he shows two maps one after another, missing persons and bigfoot sightings, and they are remarkably similar.

Unfortunately it will lead many to conclude the two are related and the problem is solved. I don't think it is that simple, though I don't dismiss it either.

I know those maps...and I agree they are very similar to each other. I'll chalk up a few 411 cases to Squatch perhaps....but like you, I humbly believe there is something much more sinister involved with a majority of them and not related to Bigfoot at all. For me it boils down to interdimensials having the ability to open and close portals and taking people. That being said...yes, the bigfoot map and the 411 map are indeed very similar.

Dave - Toronto


I don't doubt interdimensionals and or portal manifestations to differing places possibly even differing Universes manifesting on our plane of existence.
Folks often focus on stories from the Missing 411 books that are in the 99th percentile in terms of extremeness.
But by and large many if not most of the stories in the Missing 411 books can be explained by something much less extreme.
For instance the Elisa Lam story, folks always throw that out there like it proves portals and such have to be involved.
I personally do not think that is the case.
But for every instance of a story that plays like the portal explanation is a slam dunk I can throw out three Dennis Martin type cases where a Sasquatch type creature is seen and witnessed in the vicinity of the location where the person disappeared and very close to the same time the person disappeared.

[Bill Ryan]

This post will also bump this fascinating thread. :)

In his [excellent] May 2018 presentation about the Skinwalker Ranch, George Knapp is asked a question about the disappearances researched by Dave Paulides.

Listen at the very end, to this question at 1:56:28. George Knapp indicates that the answer he was given by someone in officialdom — which he had NOT yet at that time relayed to Paulides — is that there "may be" a connection. (Read that one twice!) Knapp said he was hoping to get more information about that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg8iK2OGVLE

[Flash]

Paulides describes that many who were found, and were dead, had been taking off their clothes even if the environment was pretty cold.

Recently I was listening to a television program (in French, and on the web lol), where it was mentioned that severe hypothermia often goes hand in hand with complete undressing of the dying person.

So, I thought, the problem is not the undressing, the problem is why is there severe hypothermia. I found out it can have many causes, one being the cold, another one being low blood sugar, a third one being alcool intake, anorexia - I can personaly add dysfunction of the thyroid gland.

So my question become why do these people have hypothermia, when they disappeared in the middle of summer for example (if they are not high in mountains)?

Here a wikipedia description

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia

Food for thought

[DNA]

Paulides describes that many who were found, and were dead, had been taking off their clothes even if the environment was pretty cold.

Recently I was listening to a television program (in French, and on the web lol), where it was mentioned that severe hypothermia often goes hand in hand with complete undressing of the dying person.

So, I thought, the problem is not the undressing, the problem is why is there severe hypothermia. I found out it can have many causes, one being the cold, another one being low blood sugar, a third one being alcool intake, anorexia - I can personaly add dysfunction of the thyroid gland.

So my question become why do these people have hypothermia, when they disappeared in the middle of summer for example (if they are not high in mountains)?

Here a wikipedia description

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia

Food for thought


Sigma6 posted a video by Sasquatch Chronicles earlier that was amazing. In the video presentation a biker talks about he and his group biking in a national forest up and down a mountain, he says he was the fastest out of the bunch and came down the mountain first when he heard a roar and he looked up and saw a Sasquatch, he then entered a fugue like state.

He stated that he stopped his bike, got off of it and began taking off his clothes.

He had all of his clothes off neatly folded when he was suddenly splashed by cold water as his friends had caught up to him.

It was only about 30 degrees outside, his friends and fellow cyclists snapped him out of his fugue state and he related the story of how he had a Sasquatch encounter.

I would also like to mention that folks have entered this fugue state and taken off their clothes and folded them while temperatures were not cold at all.

The original video posted by Sigma6 is no longer available, sorry I really looked and looked.

The link is now dead and I just can't find it on youtube. If the fugue state interests you, you should look into Sasquatch infrasound.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG3XNo5VoE4



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w36jJ2GDDhg

[mgray]

Dave Paulides seems to have fallen off the map since his movie came out. I wonder if he has moved on or is working on something bigger?

[Matthew]

Dave Paulides seems to have fallen off the map since his movie came out.
...

He's still active on twitter. A good follow as one might expect
https://twitter.com/canammissing


...
I wonder if he has moved on or is working on something bigger?

Great timing! I think the answer is possibly yes :)
A new book announced in the previous few days:


Missing 411-LAW was just released, the 8th book in the best selling series. This is the first time air, land and water disappearances have been tied together through compelling and irrefutable research.
source: https://twitter.com/canammissing/status/1045876108271398912

[Matthew]

David Paulides says he is targeted with a smear campaign on social media. To me this speaks volumes. I know this is a little off topic, but hopefully related enough to be here.

Paulides posted this on twitter and I thought I'd re-post it here for other Paulides fans, to pass on his call for empathy (as I have interpreted it):



Several months ago I read a great book called, The Smear by Sheryl Attkisson. It explained how organizations manipulate our thinking on social media by an organized Smear. It’s happening to me, read my version, go to the current event link at http://www.canammissing.com

source: https://twitter.com/canammissing/status/1049110434454822912


Here is a direct link to his current events page referenced in the tweet: http://www.canammissing.com/current_events.html
Extract:



...
**On page two of this discussion is this, a discussion about Missing 411 and a reference to the Wikipedia post on me, David Paulides. Here is their conversation: (See Photo)
http://www.canammissing.com/i/Discussion_2_-_1.jpg

David Paulides Wikipedia Page:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paulides
I have purposely tried to ignore this. 90% of what is listed is a lie. I cannot change what is on the page; it takes someone with editing authority who is not the person discussed on the page. Anyone can ask for editing authority. I have devoted the last eight years of my life to missing people, yet when you read the Wikipedia, I'm a cryptozoologist. I have never called myself this, I have never been called this. The page is designed to do one thing, present a biased view of my background, filled with an angle to get families of missing people to view me as a crazy bigfooter. A few factual errors, I spent twenty years as a police officer, I'm not a cryptozoologist, how about discussing my work on missing people and statistics? Please note how Kyle Polich is listed predominantly as an expert who analyzes my work. It is that post that influences people in the Backcountry link to disregard my research, and this should be very discomforting to anyone who understands Missing 411.
...

[onawah]

People who DISAPPEARED in National Parks Bizarre TRUE stories, Missing 411 [Part 1/2]
Edge of Wonder
Published on Oct 19, 2018
"Did you know there is a strange phenomena where people are #disappearing without a trace in our #NationalParks?
Some are showing up days later alive but with no memory of what happen, others have simply vanished leaving no trail behind, and other times bodies are showing up in places where people have previously searched before.
What is happening? And are the parks themselves covering up these strange and mysterious disappearances? And if so why?
But is something paranormal taking place? "
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Part 2
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[Spellbound]

I still think the DeOrr Kunz case was a poor choice to base the 411 movie on.

I also think this phenomenon is the result of interdimensional beings able to open portals and abduct people (or put them back) at will....for which the US gov't (the above videos refer to it as the deep state) is well aware. In many of the 411 cases, gov't officials are found at the scene shortly thereafter which the parents or family members of the missing did not contact. Paulides was right during his seminar at the University Of Toronto (I wish I'd know about that...would have loved to have been there)....these really are X-Files.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

Dave Paulides was on Coast to Coast AM on Sept 30, 2018 with George Knapp. The show was downloaded by an Avalon C2C member (thank you! :star: You know who you are :highfive: ) — and is now in the Avalon library. As always, it was a very good one.


http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_30_Sept_2018_Hour_1.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_30_Sept_2018_Hour_2.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_30_Sept_2018_Hour_3.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_30_Sept_2018_Hour_4.mp3

[Bill Ryan]

Dave Paulides was on Coast to Coast AM on Sept 30, 2018 with George Knapp. The show was downloaded by an Avalon C2C member (thank you! :star: You know who you are :highfive: ) — and is now in the Avalon library. As always, it was a very good one.


http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_30_Sept_2018_Hour_1.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_30_Sept_2018_Hour_2.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_30_Sept_2018_Hour_3.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_30_Sept_2018_Hour_4.mp3



At the beginning and also at the end of Hour 4, George Knapp enigmatically says Paulides would be back three weeks later "to make an announcement that would be of interest to our listeners".

So, here's that show:


http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_21_Oct_2018_Hour_1.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/David_Paulides_Coast_to_Coast_21_Oct_2018_Hour_2.mp3

It's about Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants. For that reason, this may belong on another thread (or maybe even its own), but I'm posting it here for now simply because it's Paulides' high-quality work — as always.

The summary from https://coasttocoastam.com/show/2018/10/21:



Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants

After a nine-year hiatus from his last Bigfoot book, David Paulides has returned to the arena with Bigfoot Wild Men and Giants. This 376-page tabletop book of news articles describing hairy bipeds and giant skeletons that were located in mounds and graves.

Mr. Paulides has committed himself to the work associated with his books, Missing 411. While searching newspaper archives for missing people, he stumbled across articles of wild men and giants. The description of the wild men and women match that of bigfoot today. In a remarkable coincidence, there are many skeletons of giants found in the same time parameters as the wild men. Are the two topics related? He started accumulating articles until he had stories that covered over 200 years.

The book has descriptions of the biped from 1680-1922, all containing the original newspaper articles, location, and date. This is the perfect book to browse for five minutes or dedicate the next five days. If you are a longtime pessimist to the bigfoot topic or a seasoned researcher, Bigfoot Wildmen and Giants will leave a lasting impact to the reality of hairy giants.


Update:

This is 98% about Bigfoot, Paulides suggesting that "Bigfoot, Wild Men and Giants" may be all the same thing. It's a very fascinating interview, as always.

I copied it (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92720-Top-shelf-Bigfoot-compilation&p=1266630&viewfull=1#post1266630) to this on-topic existing thread, and we should really discuss this there. :thumbsup:


Top shelf Bigfoot compilation (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?92720-Top-shelf-Bigfoot-compilation)

:focus:

[boja]

So the DAVE PAULIDES & MELBA KETCHUM collaboration's findings after analysis of the DNA samples is :-

BIGFOOT / SASQUATCH has UNKNOWN FATHER DNA, and HUMAN MOTHER DNA !


Sounds like the same scenario as the HUMAN / ET HYBRIDS.

[Tyy1907]

@ Spellbound, this are fascinating developments....I always felt there was much more to Dr. Ketchum's work!

Yes
I've remained open on Ketchums work as we all know smear campaigns happen.

[Matthew]

Here's a trailer for the Missing 411 new film:

Missing 411- The Hunted

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I read about it from a tweet from Paulides:


The response to the trailer for our 2nd movie, Missing 411- The Hunted, has been overwhelmingly positive. Release Date: 6/25. The story of the unexplained disappearance of a series of hunters, all matching our profile points.

source: https://twitter.com/canammissing/status/1118198577962962945

[Bill Ryan]

Here's Dave Paulides on Coast to Coast AM, the first two hours of 24 June 2019. :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20To%20Coast%20AM%20with%20George%20Noory%20-%20David%20Paulides%2C%20Hour%201%20(24%20June%202019).mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20To%20Coast%20AM%20with%20George%20Noory%20-%20David%20Paulides%2C%20Hour%202%20(24%20June%202019).mp3

[AutumnW]

Never hunt with a cross bow! I'll have to remember that. I liked the story about the guy creeping up on his prey with crossbow only to find he was being hunted himself.

I don't know if I could go walking alone in the deep woods anymore without becoming a touch unnerved. Used to be able to not think about Paulides material while taking mini hikes. But now, with managed disclosure happening and the idea that craft are invisible when directly overhead, I don't know if I could put that out of my mind. Plus I live in cougar country. Carrying a big stick helps with the kitties, but et's, yetis, not so much.

[diteras]

there is an area south of me - roughly from (grab a uk map - find Yorkshire - middle and to the right half way up) just north of Bridlington there is a place called 'Bempton - work inland to Staxton (RAF tracking station) roughly look down toward Hull - that's one hot area. To the North Dalby and the moors - hotter.

I see you have discussed this here back in 2014 - Rich D Hall (human mutilations) Someone spoke of a nasty ley in that area --well ... a very old standing stone in a churchyard at Rudston ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/RudstonMonolith%28StephenHorncastle%29Apr2006.jpg

.....which aint far away from the drain. (see below)

The airspace of the North Yorks moors is often shut down and all we have are Chinooks and jets not showing on FR24--- Dalby Forest too - seven human mutilations allegedly (see the above thread- film from Richplanet) --- I was told by a farmer they were certainly not dummies - because they put them in body bags ---that's just---well put it this way---I could walk.

Then.....

In the middle you have Barmston famous for -

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/beast-barmston-drain-seen-killing-73245

report here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ2g78KTMfA

A researcher called Paul Sinclair has done some work around this-
short film here -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWOJsJ6XgGY

I am pretty sure this isn't a Granite geology - limestone maybes? This must be based on something been seen too often by people who didn't know of it - a lot of the area has a mini Skinwalker feel --- with all the accompanying phenomena of that paranormal Disneyland.

I have kit anyway ...mel metre / infrasound / lasers / night vision binno's / and ............a crossbow.(2 actually but I never kill anything so be cool =vegetarian)

Anyone fancy a night out?

[The Moss Trooper]

"I have kit anyway ...mel metre / infrasound / lasers / night vision binno's / and ............a crossbow.(2 actually but I never kill anything so be cool =vegetarian)

Anyone fancy a night out?"


Sounds like one of the best chat-up lines ever. Think I might try that one on my next night out.

[Cardillac]

another good researcher on the subject is British author Steph Young (a woman)- already written 10 books about this subject-

I wish I could provide a link about this but I'm still trying to come to terms with my new MAC/Apple (was much easier with Windows); can't provide an orthographic link yet;

hopefully I'll become smarter in the future-

be well all-

Larry

[Bill Ryan]

another good researcher on the subject is British author Steph Young (a woman)- already written 10 books about this subject-Here:


https://amazon.com/Steph-Young/e/B00KE8B6B0

[Mike]

"I have kit anyway ...mel metre / infrasound / lasers / night vision binno's / and ............a crossbow.(2 actually but I never kill anything so be cool =vegetarian)

Anyone fancy a night out?"


Sounds like one of the best chat-up lines ever. Think I might try that one on my next night out.



made me laugh:bigsmile:

[Cardillac]

I've had too many freaky paranormal experiences in my life not to believe there are other dimensions out there- probably why I'm on Avalon-

Larry

[Matthew]

...

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Bump

Also here is a link to David Paulides twitter feed
https://twitter.com/canammissing

[avid]

...

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Bump

Also here is a link to David Paulides twitter feed
https://twitter.com/canammissing

Wow - amazing. Since Bill’s orientation was compromised in a couple of ventures into almost unchartered territories in Ecuador, are there likely to be anomalies geologically to mess with compass tech? Despite that, GPS would override that, but without signal...?
Anyway, a couple of years ago, I remember a man went missing, and tried to phone for help, he was found near a swamp, but his phone call was recorded - he was screaming for help, and all the time a high-pitched ‘twittering’ sound was around him. I posted the recording here in Avalon, but the link seems to have been deleted. Nonetheless, this is not the first time that a high-pitched vibrating sound has been associated with disappearances.

There seems to be an inter-dimensional issue here, where folk seem to ‘cross’ into different ‘zones’, some manage to return shocked, but others are gone.

Bill, no more visits to ‘haunted lakes’ as they are not ‘haunted’ for nothing....!

https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/bizarre-voicemail-released-missing-man-case-34177253
This is that man....? What to make of this?

[andyangel1205]

Just watched Paulides' new movie on Amazon last night (Missing 411: The Hunted). Highly recommend. These cases are so amazing...unfortunate that they're not more reported on in the mainstream.

[waves]

Here's Dave Paulides on Coast to Coast AM, the first two hours of 24 June 2019. :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20To%20Coast%20AM%20with%20George%20Noory%20-%20David%20Paulides%2C%20Hour%201%20(24%20June%202019).mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20To%20Coast%20AM%20with%20George%20Noory%20-%20David%20Paulides%2C%20Hour%202%20(24%20June%202019).mp3


I'm getting this message on both links:

Not Found
The requested URL /Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast To Coast AM with George Noory - David Paulides, Hour 2 (24 June 2019).mp3 was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

[Constance]

Here's Dave Paulides on Coast to Coast AM, the first two hours of 24 June 2019. :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20To%20Coast%20AM%20with%20George%20Noory%20-%20David%20Paulides%2C%20Hour%201%20(24%20June%202019).mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast%20To%20Coast%20AM%20with%20George%20Noory%20-%20David%20Paulides%2C%20Hour%202%20(24%20June%202019).mp3


I'm getting this message on both links:

Not Found
The requested URL /Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast To Coast AM with George Noory - David Paulides, Hour 2 (24 June 2019).mp3 was not found on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Waves :flower:

[Zampano]

tKynhM42E1o

Here is the new episode from the Higherside Chats with David Paulides..Missing 411: The Hunted & Other Mysterious Disappearances

It was uploaded 2 days ago, so pretty new...up to date cases and the MOVIE MISSING 411

[muxfolder]

Have you ever heard of staircases in the woods? I mean that was new one to me. It seems to be related to other weird things happening in national parks. Here's some creepy stories, not sure if these are already posted somewhere here.

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Note from Bill: in David Paulides' May 2016 Toronto presentation in post #321 below (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1328499&viewfull=1#post1328499),at 1:46:09 he's asked about the 'staircases'. He emphatically and clearly states that's a hoaxed invention.

[Bill Ryan]

Have you ever heard of staircases in the woods?
I reported this story on my 'Wawa Grande' thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93672-Another-vicarious-adventure-and-another-Avalon-Cairn--for-the-Wawa-Grande-this-time-), in my post #323 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93672-Another-vicarious-adventure-and-another-Avalon-Cairn--for-the-Wawa-Grande-this-time-&p=1288851&viewfull=1#post1288851):


[My friend, an Ecuadorian mountain guide, who I was with that day] told me of a story recounted by his grandmother, who said that when she was at the Haunted Lakes when she was a little girl, she'd seen a 'door with steps' going down into the ground.

No-one had believed her, and she was never able to find the exact spot again. But she stuck to her story till her dying day."The Haunted Lakes" refers to a remote valley in the high mountains near where I live which has a reputation for paranormal events. In my one and only visit there (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93672-Another-vicarious-adventure-and-another-Avalon-Cairn--for-the-Wawa-Grande-this-time-&p=1252518&viewfull=1#post1252518), my dog Mara was on high alert, whining and shaking with fear, all the time staring at something for 15 straight minutes which I could NOT see.

The weather was perfect, it was mid-day, and the visibility was excellent. It's above the treeline there, and one could see clearly for miles. I felt uneasy the whole time, but Mara, usually unfazed by anything, was spooked and frightened. It was a few months later when my friend told me her grandmother's fascinating story.

[muxfolder]

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Is he going to mention staircases in the woods or is it too out there? :bigsmile: Anyway, this should be good.

[Meryl]

Any chance of tracking down the interview with Cliff High speaking about Vietnam?
thanks.

[Bill Ryan]

Any chance of tracking down the interview with Cliff High speaking about Vietnam?
thanks.I'd love to hear that. But I have no idea when or what that was. (If anyone knows, please do let us know!)

Re the Dave Paulides C2C show tomorrow (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105670-David-Paulides-on-Bigfoot-Wild-Men-and-Giants&p=1325692&viewfull=1#post1325692), we'll definitely record that and post it here. :thumbsup:

[Bill Ryan]

Re the Dave Paulides C2C show tomorrow (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105670-David-Paulides-on-Bigfoot-Wild-Men-and-Giants&p=1325692&viewfull=1#post1325692), we'll definitely record that and post it here.Here it is: :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast_to_Coast_David_Paulides_2_Dec_2019_Hour_1.mp3
http://avalonlibrary.net/Coast_to_Coast_AM_audio/Coast_to_Coast_David_Paulides_2_Dec_2019_Hour_2.mp3

[Bill Ryan]

Dave Paulides featured centrally in this January 2019 History Channel Documentary Vanished.

It's extremely interesting, especially inasmuch as Paulides goes MUCH further than he ever has in his many interviews (probably at the insistence of the producers!), leaning heavily towards interdimensional portals as being the only feasible explanation remaining after everything else has been ruled out.

Physicist John Brandenburg is interviewed on camera at 1:04:47. (Brandenburg also featured in the 2015 Secret Space Program conference, with his presentation titled Death on Mars. See this post:)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84698-Secret-Space-Program-Conference-2015&p=1040028&viewfull=1#post1040028

And at 27:49 in part 1 of the Coast to Coast interview posted immediately above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1326233&viewfull=1#post1326233), Paulides goes further than the documentary does, telling George Noory that John Brandenburg told him that serious portal research is well under way, including weaponizing and directing portals. (That part never made the TV show.)

It's a very well done documentary, highly recommended. (Avalon Member Dustin Naef (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?30850-Dustin-Naef) also features, talking about high strangeness on Mount Shasta.)

http://avalonlibrary.net/Vanished_(2019).mp4

http://avalonlibrary.net/Vanished_(2019).mp4

[wegge]

But how does the Portal come together with the cracking in the woods that he mentioned seems also to be a common occurrence? Or is it just the Portal guys leading potential researches off track pretending a Bigfoot False Flag?

[Craig]

I watched 411 Missing The Hunted last night, wow, i did think about the first two disappearances, an 80yo and a 68yo I think, I thought surely they wouldn't be taken by off world entities to be eaten?

Also with the shoes being found together neatly under a bush, that would take determination to achieve yes? A sign of a sane mind? If there is any stress wouldn't clothes\shoes\backpacks just be abandoned without thought?

Very intriguing and scary...

[Bill Ryan]

I watched 411 Missing The Hunted last night, wow, i did think about the first two disappearances, an 80yo and a 68yo I think, I thought surely they wouldn't be taken by off world entities to be eaten?

Also with the shoes being found together neatly under a bush, that would take determination to achieve yes? A sign of a sane mind? If there is any stress wouldn't clothes\shoes\backpacks just be abandoned without thought?

Very intriguing and scary...Yes, it is. I keep thinking of the analogy of humans playing with a cat, using a laser light on a wall, or something tied to a piece of string — but with a great deal more cold-blooded malevolence.

[boja]

Yes, PORTALS do seem to be the method of some of these disappearances.

However, we then have 2 BIG questions :-

1) WHERE are these victims being taken to ??

2) WHO is taking them ??

[Bill Ryan]

Just published — but I'm not sure when the original Coast to Coast interview was. (This one is with George Knapp.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BY4zTDWXzs

[Bill Ryan]

There's a new channel, which has been up for a week, called Missing 411 David Paulides: just 1,200 subscribers. (This isn't Paulides' own channel.)


https://youtube.com/channel/UCEOt2mbMm62hLcF3797zcIA/videos

In this post and the next, I'll embed all the videos so far. :thumbsup: (I've already posted one of them immediately above.) While they've all been uploaded in the last week, in most cases the original dates and interview sources aren't clear.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ZV1_V71xM
This is with Whitley Strieber:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CukkN_YkybU
This is a radio show account of a prolonged Bigfoot encounter (David Paulides isn't in it at all)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIFDQpI0n40
This is [part of] a conference presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX3optFk8l0
This is with Whitley Strieber again...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7vUcfCMNxs
... which continues here at 21:25, after a long overlap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uicwNYeFgoI

[Bill Ryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hu9FT2fOp4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMMNjfZjx0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8WQTWq3eis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6mu4g7Sp4g

[Bill Ryan]

A most excellent presentation (with slides) given by Dave Paulides to an audience in Toronto in May 2016.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUf641uq7DQ[/url]

* Note: at 1:46:09 he's asked about the 'staircases' (see post #307 above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1325216&viewfull=1#post1325216)). He emphatically and clearly states that's a hoaxed invention.

[Bill Ryan]

Physicist John Brandenburg is interviewed on camera at 1:04:47. (Brandenburg also featured in the 2015 Secret Space Program conference, with his presentation titled Death on Mars. See this post:)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84698-Secret-Space-Program-Conference-2015&p=1040028&viewfull=1#post1040028

And at 27:49 in part 1 of the Coast to Coast interview posted above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1326233&viewfull=1#post1326233), Paulides goes further than the documentary does, telling George Noory that John Brandenburg told him that serious portal research is well under way, including weaponizing and directing portals. (That part never made the TV show.)

David Paulides talks about John Brandenburg (and directed portals) again at 26:57 in this relatively recent (Aug 2019) two hour interview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKynhM42E1o

[Pam]

This thread got me really interested in the topic. I watched the Documentary 411- Hunters. The whole thing is fascinating but the part that was most intriguing was the recordings made in the 1970s, by Al Berry and Ron Morehead in the Sierra Nevada Mountains in eastern California. They were at a very remote hunting camp and they recorded these sounds at night. They are also heard trying to replicate the sounds back in a form of communication. I'm sure this video is somewhere else on the forum but for those that have never heard it this is amazing. While considering these creatures as a possible explanation regarding the disappearances, it is interesting to note that they never attempted to attack.

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[Forest Denizen]

This thread got me really interested in the topic. I watched the Documentary 411- Hunters. The whole thing is fascinating but the part that was most intriguing was the recordings made in the 1970s, by Al Berry and Ron Morehead in the Sierra Nevada Mountains in eastern California. They were at a very remote hunting camp and they recorded these sounds at night. They are also heard trying to replicate the sounds back in a form of communication. I'm sure this video is somewhere else on the forum but for those that have never heard it this is amazing. While considering these creatures as a possible explanation regarding the disappearances, it is interesting to note that they never attempted to attack.

VGfIIjN-P7o

peterpam, the "Sierra Recordings" you mention, above, are truly fascinating. The origin of the recordings is a VERY remote hunting camp shared by Ron Morehead and several others in the early 1970's. You can buy the recordings.. I have a set somewhere that I got years ago.

In 2010 or so, David Paulides posted on his website, https://www.nabigfootsearch.com/home.html , the results of a detailed study of the recordings completed by an ex-military linguistics expert, R. Scott Nelson. From Paulides' website:

"R. Scott Nelson is a retired U.S. Navy Crypto-Linguist with over 30 years experience in Foreign Language and Linguistics, including the Collection, Transcription, Analysis and Reporting of voice communications."

Here is a link to the lingistics study webpage within Paulides' site: https://www.nabigfootsearch.com/Bigfootlanguage.html

For any of you that haven't seen this before, I urge you to have a look!

[Bill Ryan]

This thread got me really interested in the topic. I watched the Documentary 411- Hunters. The whole thing is fascinating but the part that was most intriguing was the recordings made in the 1970s, by Al Berry and Ron Morehead in the Sierra Nevada Mountains in eastern California. They were at a very remote hunting camp and they recorded these sounds at night. They are also heard trying to replicate the sounds back in a form of communication. I'm sure this video is somewhere else on the forum but for those that have never heard it this is amazing. While considering these creatures as a possible explanation regarding the disappearances, it is interesting to note that they never attempted to attack.

VGfIIjN-P7o

peterpam, the "Sierra Recordings" you mention, above, are truly fascinating. The origin of the recordings is a VERY remote hunting camp shared by Ron Morehead and several others in the early 1970's. You can buy the recordings.. I have a set somewhere that I got years ago.

In 2010 or so, David Paulides posted on his website, https://www.nabigfootsearch.com/home.html , the results of a detailed study of the recordings completed by an ex-military linguistics expert, R. Scott Nelson. From Paulides' website:

"R. Scott Nelson is a retired U.S. Navy Crypto-Linguist with over 30 years experience in Foreign Language and Linguistics, including the Collection, Transcription, Analysis and Reporting of voice communications."
Here is a link to the lingistics study webpage within Paulides' site: https://www.nabigfootsearch.com/Bigfootlanguage.html

For any of you that haven't seen this before, I urge you to have a look!Ken, many thanks... that's more than fascinating. Yes, highly recommended. :thumbsup:

[wegge]

This thread got me really interested in the topic. I watched the Documentary 411- Hunters. The whole thing is fascinating but the part that was most intriguing was the recordings made in the 1970s, by Al Berry and Ron Morehead in the Sierra Nevada Mountains in eastern California. They were at a very remote hunting camp and they recorded these sounds at night. They are also heard trying to replicate the sounds back in a form of communication. I'm sure this video is somewhere else on the forum but for those that have never heard it this is amazing. While considering these creatures as a possible explanation regarding the disappearances, it is interesting to note that they never attempted to attack.

VGfIIjN-P7o

peterpam, the "Sierra Recordings" you mention, above, are truly fascinating. The origin of the recordings is a VERY remote hunting camp shared by Ron Morehead and several others in the early 1970's. You can buy the recordings.. I have a set somewhere that I got years ago.

In 2010 or so, David Paulides posted on his website, https://www.nabigfootsearch.com/home.html , the results of a detailed study of the recordings completed by an ex-military linguistics expert, R. Scott Nelson. From Paulides' website:

"R. Scott Nelson is a retired U.S. Navy Crypto-Linguist with over 30 years experience in Foreign Language and Linguistics, including the Collection, Transcription, Analysis and Reporting of voice communications."
Here is a link to the lingistics study webpage within Paulides' site: https://www.nabigfootsearch.com/Bigfootlanguage.html

For any of you that haven't seen this before, I urge you to have a look!Ken, many thanks... that's more than fascinating. Yes, highly recommended. :thumbsup:

Highly interesting!

Did anyone listen to the interview with the crypto linguistics researcher? There’s a link on the article site but I can’t find it.

I also saw John Brandenburg (the physicist confirming portal research) wrote several fiction books about Mars, probably a good read!

[Forest Denizen]

Highly interesting!

Did anyone listen to the interview with the crypto linguistics researcher? There’s a link on the article site but I can’t find it.

I also saw John Brandenburg (the physicist confirming portal research) wrote several fiction books about Mars, probably a good read!

Hey Wegge! I've heard a number of interviews with the cryptolinguistics researcher, Mr. Nelson. They are absolutely fascinating!!

Below, are a couple. The first is a good, brief (17 minutes) overview of how and why he began his research. The second is a presentation he gave more recently.

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Enjoy!!!

[mgray]

This could be a new case for David.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/27/interesting-items-found-during-search-for-missing-oregon-hiker-cops/

[pyrangello]

Same thing I was thinking Mgray when I read about her this morning missing.

[Peter UK]

Dave Paulides featured centrally in this January 2019 History Channel Documentary Vanished.

It's extremely interesting, especially inasmuch as Paulides goes MUCH further than he ever has in his many interviews (probably at the insistence of the producers!), leaning heavily towards interdimensional portals as being the only feasible explanation remaining after everything else has been ruled out.

Physicist John Brandenburg is interviewed on camera at 1:04:47. (Brandenburg also featured in the 2015 Secret Space Program conference, with his presentation titled Death on Mars. See this post:)


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84698-Secret-Space-Program-Conference-2015&p=1040028&viewfull=1#post1040028

And at 27:49 in part 1 of the Coast to Coast interview posted immediately above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1326233&viewfull=1#post1326233), Paulides goes further than the documentary does, telling George Noory that John Brandenburg told him that serious portal research is well under way, including weaponizing and directing portals. (That part never made the TV show.)

It's a very well done documentary, highly recommended. (Avalon Member Dustin Naef (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?30850-Dustin-Naef) also features, talking about high strangeness on Mount Shasta.)

http://avalonlibrary.net/Vanished_(2019).mp4



It's well worth watching.

Something that I felt was a key part of the film was the reference to the complete disappearance of the Anasazi native american community. The Cheyenne Arapaho Chief who was steeped in native american indian traditions and folklore said nobody knew what happened to them, however he was aware that they had a history of communicating with star people.

The figures and drawings on the cliffs are very telling and probably hold the key to that particular area, they were a poignant presence and reminder.

[Matthew]

David Paulides shares a few things.

He argues against popular conclusions people have come up with to explain the 411 missing cases. He mentions, and dismisses, the many clone YouTube channels, and fake podcasts, and fake Facebook pages.

Later, he seems to share a little about what he believes of the phenomenon although it is vague but steers away from 'its a cryptid'

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[Matthew]

Bump! Previous post, new video Feb 2020, recommended viewing for David Paulides fans!
:heart:

[The Moss Trooper]

You can catch all the latest from David and his Canam Missing Project You Tube channel here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/canammissingproject/videos

So many other channels were taking Dave's content and posting it as their own that he is now posting regular content to his channel. He does a great two-part talk with Steve Isdahl from howtohunt.com that you can watch. For anyone interested in Sasquatch stories and sightings, I can't recommend Steve's channel enough.

https://www.youtube.com/user/proguide66/videos

[Matthew]

Dave Paulides is pushing his channel at the moment. In his latest video he's asked people to share and promote, so I thought I would bump this!



You can catch all the latest from David and his Canam Missing Project You Tube channel here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/canammissingproject/videos
...


Here is his latest video


David Paulides Presents Two Missing Person Cases from The Los Angeles Area

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[The Moss Trooper]

This is a quoted account from a man named Larry Kelm and his experience whilst on a hike in the Oregon Mountains. Two days into his hike he feels he walked into a "trap", a doorway to another dimension, and that the trap was set by a Sasquatch.

“In the fall of 1980 I ran a small business as a construction contractor in Eugene, Oregon. During the slow times and in-between jobs I would don my backpack and hiking boots and disappear into the mountains for weeks at a time enjoying the peaceful solitude of long hikes. At that time I was single and didn’t answer to anyone so I was free to do what I wanted when I wanted. On the trip in question I decided to hike the old Mollala Indian trail that followed the ridge tops from Saddle Blanket Mountain to Oakridge, one of the Native American’s favourite summer camps and trading centres. It was a beautiful August day, two days into the hike (I expected to be gone about two weeks), when literally out of the blue the most terrifying thing that ever happened to me in my life occurred. It would change my perspective of reality forever".

“I was walking along the trail enjoying the strong breeze and bright sunshine when, in the middle of a step, everything around me started to turn grey and blurry. The only way I can describe it was as if suddenly I was looking through someone else’s prescription sunglasses. I finished the step and started another. Every inch I moved forward the darkness increased and the grey blurring turned into a jumble of shapes that made no sense. I then seemed to pass a barrier and everything started to return back into focus when my foot reached the ground on the second step everything around me had changed. Day had turned into night and there was no wind. All the Douglas Fir and pine trees had been replaced with thick jungle-like growth. The cool thin mountain air was replaced with humid thick air. There were no stars in the sky, but there was a diffused light that let me see everything clearly, however I couldn’t tell what the light source was".

“As often happens when the human body receives a massive dose of adrenaline the entire incident appeared like it was in slow motion and even though I was only there for a second or two I had time to observe my surroundings. The silence was broken by [a] continuous high pitched keening sound, and I was nearly overwhelmed with a sense of fear and danger. My momentum caused me to take one more step before stopping in my tracks".

“It was at this point, I heard a whispered "Gotcha" over my right shoulder. I couldn’t tell if I heard it with my ears or inside my head. The word wasn’t directed at me but something said the word quietly to itself. I was so terrified I actually felt my heart stop for a moment. That whispered word is what saved me. I opened my mouth and gasped in a huge gush of thick air and recoiled backward in the same footsteps I had entered wherever I was. As I threw myself backward, I looked over my right shoulder. A dark coloured hairy right hand and arm was reaching for my throat over my shoulder. The hand had pale ivory spade-shaped fingernails. The nails looked clean and almost had a manicured look to them. The thumb was placed lower (towards the wrist) on the hand than a human’s is. Both hand and arm were thin and powerful looking and both were covered with thick coarse black hair".

“I got a good look at it because the thumbnail grazed my neck (it did not break the skin) as I moved backwards. As I continued backwards, the hand clutched where my neck had been a split second before and it seemed to fade off into the distance as I returned through the Portal.
“I took two more steps backwards and everything reversed itself from what had just happened. The world around me became lighter, the fir and pines gradually came back into view and by the third step I was back on Saddle Blanket Mountain".

“I continued to move backwards in terror, and as I did, I observed that where I had just come from was a shimmering oval patch of air about the size of a large door. The woods behind it looked like it was under water. By the fifth backward step the shimmering area seemed to just evaporate and everything was back to normal. By then my lungs had nearly burst from the volume of air I had inhaled during the huge gasp I had just taken. My body felt like it was on fire from the adrenaline surge. I spun around and ran back down the trail as fast as my legs could carry me, and didn’t stop until I reached my truck. I was nearly two days getting to that place and about three hours getting back".

“On my way home I was absolutely horrified at the thought of what would happen if I were to drive my truck into something like that. It had been a trap, pure and simple. Whatever it was that tried to kill me somehow kept the Portal hidden from me on the way in, and I didn’t actually see it until I was back out again. I had terrible nightmares for years, and still haven’t come to grips with what happened. My fingers are trembling and the hair is standing up on the nape of my neck as I write this.”

[Bill Ryan]

This is a quoted account from a man named Larry Kelm and his experience whilst on a hike in the Oregon Mountains. Two days into his hike he feels he walked into a "trap", a doorway to another dimension, and that the trap was set by a Sasquatch.

“In the fall of 1980 I ran a small business as a construction contractor in Eugene, Oregon. During the slow times and in-between jobs I would don my backpack and hiking boots and disappear into the mountains for weeks at a time enjoying the peaceful solitude of long hikes. At that time I was single and didn’t answer to anyone so I was free to do what I wanted when I wanted. On the trip in question I decided to hike the old Mollala Indian trail that followed the ridge tops from Saddle Blanket Mountain to Oakridge, one of the Native American’s favourite summer camps and trading centres. It was a beautiful August day, two days into the hike (I expected to be gone about two weeks), when literally out of the blue the most terrifying thing that ever happened to me in my life occurred. It would change my perspective of reality forever".

“I was walking along the trail enjoying the strong breeze and bright sunshine when, in the middle of a step, everything around me started to turn grey and blurry. The only way I can describe it was as if suddenly I was looking through someone else’s prescription sunglasses. I finished the step and started another. Every inch I moved forward the darkness increased and the grey blurring turned into a jumble of shapes that made no sense. I then seemed to pass a barrier and everything started to return back into focus when my foot reached the ground on the second step everything around me had changed. Day had turned into night and there was no wind. All the Douglas Fir and pine trees had been replaced with thick jungle-like growth. The cool thin mountain air was replaced with humid thick air. There were no stars in the sky, but there was a diffused light that let me see everything clearly, however I couldn’t tell what the light source was".

“As often happens when the human body receives a massive dose of adrenaline the entire incident appeared like it was in slow motion and even though I was only there for a second or two I had time to observe my surroundings. The silence was broken by [a] continuous high pitched keening sound, and I was nearly overwhelmed with a sense of fear and danger. My momentum caused me to take one more step before stopping in my tracks".

“It was at this point, I heard a whispered "Gotcha" over my right shoulder. I couldn’t tell if I heard it with my ears or inside my head. The word wasn’t directed at me but something said the word quietly to itself. I was so terrified I actually felt my heart stop for a moment. That whispered word is what saved me. I opened my mouth and gasped in a huge gush of thick air and recoiled backward in the same footsteps I had entered wherever I was. As I threw myself backward, I looked over my right shoulder. A dark coloured hairy right hand and arm was reaching for my throat over my shoulder. The hand had pale ivory spade-shaped fingernails. The nails looked clean and almost had a manicured look to them. The thumb was placed lower (towards the wrist) on the hand than a human’s is. Both hand and arm were thin and powerful looking and both were covered with thick coarse black hair".

“I got a good look at it because the thumbnail grazed my neck (it did not break the skin) as I moved backwards. As I continued backwards, the hand clutched where my neck had been a split second before and it seemed to fade off into the distance as I returned through the Portal.
“I took two more steps backwards and everything reversed itself from what had just happened. The world around me became lighter, the fir and pines gradually came back into view and by the third step I was back on Saddle Blanket Mountain".

“I continued to move backwards in terror, and as I did, I observed that where I had just come from was a shimmering oval patch of air about the size of a large door. The woods behind it looked like it was under water. By the fifth backward step the shimmering area seemed to just evaporate and everything was back to normal. By then my lungs had nearly burst from the volume of air I had inhaled during the huge gasp I had just taken. My body felt like it was on fire from the adrenaline surge. I spun around and ran back down the trail as fast as my legs could carry me, and didn’t stop until I reached my truck. I was nearly two days getting to that place and about three hours getting back".

“On my way home I was absolutely horrified at the thought of what would happen if I were to drive my truck into something like that. It had been a trap, pure and simple. Whatever it was that tried to kill me somehow kept the Portal hidden from me on the way in, and I didn’t actually see it until I was back out again. I had terrible nightmares for years, and still haven’t come to grips with what happened. My fingers are trembling and the hair is standing up on the nape of my neck as I write this.”

Jeez. That might be the single most important piece of testimony we have about ALL of this. I'd not come across this before, but it's on the net in several places. Here's one reference for the record:


https://sasquatchchronicles.com/forums/topic/a-strange-account-from-the-nabs-website


(I couldn't find the source report on the NABS website, which is http://nabigfootsearch.com)

[The Moss Trooper]

Yep.

I've had it copied and pasted in my research notes for some time. Taken as it is, this single piece of testimony ties together so many data-points......... It is outstanding. Frightening, but outstanding.

That whispered "Gotcha" though.................. Pheeeeew.

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

If anyone has the time, could you possibly post some more of Dave Paulides' updates? I'd imagine there have to be some in the last couple of months.

:sun:

[The Moss Trooper]

I've spent a good amount of time over these past few years looking into this field, and feel that i've made good progress in getting to grips with what is going on. Like a lot of this left-field research, you can't very well sum it up in a paragraph or two, nor explain to somebody aptly, just what it is. It is only by putting in the hours and some leg-work that the mist begins to clear......... A little.

I'd highly recommend these three and their research for anyone that wants a rabbit hole to disappear down:

Steve Isdahl - How to Hunt: https://www.youtube.com/c/proguide66/videos

David Paulides - CanAm Missing Project (home of Missing 411): https://www.youtube.com/user/canammissingproject/videos

Paul Sinclair - Truth Proof: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBg4xzFar583zoFZ_ReiQTg/videos

They all have pieces of the puzzle, hard won through their tireless research.

[Matthew]

He's published some more of his copyrighted YouTube episodes. Since you asked here's a hat trick.




Missing People in the Cascades. Mr. Paulides discuses the disappearance of 3 people.
David Paulides presents three men who disappeared in the Cascade mountain range. Two of the three were photographers, two of the three were over 65 years old. All three were never found.
© 2020 David Paulides NABS

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The Mount Rainier Cluster of missing people
David Paulides presents a series of unusual disappearances in Mount Rainier National Park. Three different disappearances in 8 days in June of 2020 mark a strange span of time in one of Washington States' most beautiful parks. This national park has been identified by David Paulides' research as a geographical cluster zone.
©2020 NABS LLC

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Autopsies and the disappearance of Jason Chase from New Zealand
A verbal description of the process when investigators arrive on scene of a death and the list of investigators that are part of that investigation. We also include a detailed look at the disappearance of Jason Chase from New Zealand.

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David Paulides

Order David Paulides' books: https://www.nabigfootsearch.com/Bigfo...
David Paulides' missing person website: https://www.canammissing.com/page/pag...
Twitter: Davidpaulides@canammissing
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/david.paulides

[Ewan]

:bump:

If anyone has the time, could you possibly post some more of Dave Paulides' updates? I'd imagine there have to be some in the last couple of months.

:sun:

Hi Bill, I wonder if you saved the video in the opening post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1328499&viewfull=1#post1328499), it is no longer available?






From Bill: I searched, and unfortunately I don't have it saved. I can't [yet] find it anywhere else, either.

[Bill Ryan]

The Mount Rainier Cluster of missing people
David Paulides presents a series of unusual disappearances in Mount Rainier National Park.

PZNveDDH-m4The report at 2:20 (which Dave has mentioned before) was almost more highly strange than anything else I've ever heard. The experienced climber, who vanished, was tied to the end of a rope. It'd 100% certainly have been either like this...

https://www.climbing.com/.image/c_fit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_620/MTUwOTM2MTA2OTc1MTEwOTg0/8knot.jpg

...or via what's called a screwgate karabiner (a strong metal snaplink, with a breaking strain of a ton or more), like this:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRs-SAkWrvwnMzuNmEvtaFn92RxCD-_d4yatdn4sKoXJxEx1ysA&s

In the first image, you can see the knot (which is what's always used) that would need to be untied. (And that would be impossible if the the rope was under tension.) In the second, the karabiner has a strong finger-screw on the 'gate' to stop it from ever opening accidentally.

These methods are all tried, tested, and super-safe. Even if he wasn't wearing a harness (highly unlikely these days), he'd have been firmly tied on round his waist with a similar knot.

For an experienced climber to become detached from the rope in the middle of a climb and then to totally disappear, never to be found, is just impossible. (I'm an experienced climber myself, and I know about this stuff. It's mind-boggling.)

[NX.P]

"It's like somebody unhooked". I don't know much about technical climbing. I wonder how likely or unlikely it would be for someone to unhook the carabiner. Would someone need to unhook to use the facilities?

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

:bump:

If anyone has the time, could you possibly post some more of Dave Paulides' updates? I'd imagine there have to be some in the last couple of months.

:sun:

Hi Bill, I wonder if you saved the video in the opening post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1328499&viewfull=1#post1328499), it is no longer available?




From Bill: I searched, and unfortunately I don't have it saved. I can't [yet] find it anywhere else, either.


Yeh I can't find it either, which is a shame as I missed it originally. I did find this however, a 52 minute segment, but uncertain if this is the right talk or not.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/KOlKAXB9H8Ag (https://www.bitchute.com/video/KOlKAXB9H8Ag/)

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[Bill Ryan]

"It's like somebody unhooked". I don't know much about technical climbing. I wonder how likely or unlikely it would be for someone to unhook the carabiner. Would someone need to unhook to use the facilities?Well, it's most unlikely, in the middle of a climb that might have looked a little like this. (This is one of the rock climbs on Rainier, just an example of the possible terrain he might have been on. But we don't know exactly where he was.)

https://www.mountaineers.org/activities/routes-places/mowich-lake-area-review/echo-rock-observation-rock-tillicum-point/@@images/8b8861a4-19ed-4d3e-a6c2-8a53fe7791bf.jpeg

(Taking a pee isn't a problem for a man in a climbing harness connected to a rope. But for anything else, one would have to take the thing right off, which no climber would ever do on a fairly short climb.)

[Ewan]

I've listened to David Paulides for years now and have one of the Missing 411 books. It doesn't matter how much information you try to absorb, any hint of a solution is as elusive as in the first case I ever heard about.

So all that is left is speculation, and such a (speculative) thought just occured to me as I listened to the last two vids posted above. The shoes, always the shoes and socks - in almost every case. I suddenly drew a parallel with the tracking abilities of predators and, perhaps, also our ancestors. Some people today still have those skills of 'connecting' with a trail, this information was recently listened to in an Anna Breytenbach video here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQehXoCipts) where two or three traditional trackers are interviewed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQehXoCipts

It occured to me the removal of socks and shoes and thereby putting bare feet on the earth may make it easier to maintain contact with the individual. Much like rubber soles grounding you from electrical shocks. How the persuasion to remove said socks and shoes happens is another question.

There was also a case in the late 1800's or possibly early 1900's of a railway worker (USA) who went missing for days, or over a week, but eventually staggered back out of the bush close to death. The man claimed a female ape had licked the soles of his feet until they were raw and bloody so he could not escape. Apparently he died, as memory serves, within 24 hrs of being found. Now that makes sense if a female was desperate for a mate but makes no sense in the case of children and the elderly.

Some cases seem quite benign, others considerably more malignant but is that malignancy our interpretation when a body is discovered - but may actually have been an accident on the part of the, for want of a better word, 'kidnapper'? A kidnapper not experienced in the actual frailty of a human compared to themselves for instance?

Did anyone else see the Missing 411 : The Hunted? There is one story in that in particular about an experienced hunter who loses his pack horse on the way up a trail and sets off to retrieve a re-supply from a cache. He never made it to the cache, but continued on past, shortly after taking off his, you guessed it, socks and shoes, he apparently wandered miles after that and his backpack was found neatly propped up against the trunk of a tree and not too far away a flask and cup were set out on a rock as though he had sat there to take a drink. From that vantage point he could see a road and a ranch yet his body was found a few miles away heading away from those points of possible sanctuary.

It is also quite prevalent in certain cultures that there is a connection between boulders and magical beings that goes back hundreds of years.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/why-so-many-icelanders-still-believe-in-invisible-elves/280783/

https://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/LittlePeopleoftheCherokee-Cherokee.html

Edit to add: http://www.native-languages.org/legends-rocks.htm This may also be of general interest, Native American beliefs and legends centred around various rocks.

[Alecs]

While this is not a missing persons case, nonetheless, I'll add this video as well where David Paulides interviews an owner of housed vortex in Montana.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGz8ehbaRVE

[The Moss Trooper]

Hot off the press, Canam Missing Project's latest:

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Also, anyone that has Amazon Prime, you can watch Missing 411: The Hunted for free. In the latest video above, Dave is encouraging people to go and watch it and to speed the word that it is now free to watch. For anyone that has not yet seen it, it is must-watch viewing!

Spread the word.

[Mike]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/washington-teen-found-woods-8-days-going-missing-025122673--abc-news-topstories.html


I'm not sure if this belongs here, but it sure is interesting. This young woman was found in the woods in Washington after being missing for 8 days, and she can't coherently explain what happened during that time.

Although she was found, there might be some relevance here to Paulides research. She was found near water, which is always a theme in the 411 cases, and had also abandoned some of her clothing(another recurring 411 theme). Plus, she's quite unclear as to what went on during those 8 days. She apparently ran out of gas but the authorities don't know how she wound up in the woods.

I feel like this needs to be bookmarked somewhere, and this seems like an appropriate spot.

[Ewan]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/washington-teen-found-woods-8-days-going-missing-025122673--abc-news-topstories.html


I'm not sure if this belongs here, but it sure is interesting. This young woman was found in the woods in Washington after being missing for 8 days, and she can't coherently explain what happened during that time.

Although she was found, there might be some relevance here to Paulides research. She was found near water, which is always a theme in the 411 cases, and had also abandoned some of her clothing(another recurring 411 theme). Plus, she's quite unclear as to what went on during those 8 days. She apparently ran out of gas but the authorities don't know how she wound up in the woods.

I feel like this needs to be bookmarked somewhere, and this seems like an appropriate spot.

Mike, sorry to be a nuisance, but is there any chance you can copy/paste this. It is impossible for me to view without allowing tracking permissions - a very devious website offering you opt outs which if you go to select track you anyway.

[Bill Ryan]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/washington-teen-found-woods-8-days-going-missing-025122673--abc-news-topstories.html

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but it sure is interesting. This young woman was found in the woods in Washington after being missing for 8 days, and she can't coherently explain what happened during that time.

Although she was found, there might be some relevance here to Paulides research. She was found near water, which is always a theme in the 411 cases, and had also abandoned some of her clothing(another recurring 411 theme). Plus, she's quite unclear as to what went on during those 8 days. She apparently ran out of gas but the authorities don't know how she wound up in the woods.

I feel like this needs to be bookmarked somewhere, and this seems like an appropriate spot.Mike, sorry to be a nuisance, but is there any chance you can copy/paste this. It is impossible for me to view without allowing tracking permissions - a very devious website offering you opt outs which if you go to select track you anyway.

I'll do that, no problem. :thumbsup:

Washington teen found in woods 8 days after going missing

1 August, 2020

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An 18-year-old who went missing on July 24 has been found eight days later in the heavily wooded Cascade Mountains east of Seattle in what rescuers are calling a "miracle."

Giovanna "Gia" Fuda went missing last Friday after last being seen on surveillance footage at a coffee shop in Index, Washington. Her car was found out of gas on Highway 2 the next day between Skykomish and Steven's Pass in extremely mountainous terrain. But after more than a week of searching, the authorities had turned up very little until Saturday.

"We are absolutely thrilled to know that search and rescue located her alive," Sgt. Ryan Abbott, with the King County Sheriff's Office, said at a press conference Saturday evening. "She's in stable condition. She is with her parents and being transported to a local hospital."

Search and rescuers came across a notebook that belonged to Fuda along a stream deep in the woods off Highway 2 at about 2:45 p.m. local time, Abbott said. The crew followed the stream and eventually came across clothes and shoes belonging to Fuda. The searchers kept following the creek up a steep embankment and found her 2 miles from the bottom of the ravine.

"It shows that miracles do happen and don't ever quit, and that's what we were doing," Abbott said. "They just continued to search and thank god they found her."

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PHOTO: The King County Sheriff's Office released video surveillance of Gia Fuda, 18, at a coffee shop in Index, Wash., on July 24, 2020, where she was last seen before going missing. She was found alive eight days later.

Abbott called the area a "dead zone" and said it was difficult to track Fuda's cellphone. Initially, authorities believed her phone had been turned off while searching for her, but are now unsure if it was off or just had no signal.

"When this all started, Friday was kind of the last day anyone had seen her," Abbott said. "We had King County Search and Rescue out for the first several days and we had search and rescue out from all over the state assisting us throughout the week. They are absolutely amazing. They are volunteers. They do this on their own time and, again, to find enough people to come out here, hundreds of volunteers day in and day out, to try and find Gia was amazing."

The King County Sheriff's Office had labeled her disappearance as "suspicious" on July 27, but said at the press conference after she was found that she may have just gotten lost looking for gas. Abbott said the nearest gas station to where her car was located was about 10 miles away and she might have simply gotten lost trying to walk there. He wasn't sure why or how she ended up in the woods.

Fuda had no food with her, but there are berries in the woods and she would have been able to drink from the creek, officials said.
One of those who found her was a doctor and was able to provide initial care, but Abbott said Fuda was not able to coherently explain what had happened in the eight days.

Her family and friends and hundreds of volunteers had spent every day searching for Gia.

"I feel hopeful, but I don't feel very good," Kristin Fuda, Gia's mother told Seattle ABC affiliate KOMO (https://komonews.com/news/local/search-for-suspicious-disappearance-of-gia-fuda-continues) on Friday. "You just don't know what to think, it's totally unknown."

After the rescue, the sheriff's office thanked them for their help in the search and rescue mission.

"We are thrilled for the family," Abbott said. "They have been out with us here. They have been trying to help us search; they've been a great support. And from my understanding, of course, the parents were thrilled when they found out Gia was alive."

[Ewan]

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/washington-teen-found-woods-8-days-going-missing-025122673--abc-news-topstories.html

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but it sure is interesting. This young woman was found in the woods in Washington after being missing for 8 days, and she can't coherently explain what happened during that time.

Although she was found, there might be some relevance here to Paulides research. She was found near water, which is always a theme in the 411 cases, and had also abandoned some of her clothing(another recurring 411 theme). Plus, she's quite unclear as to what went on during those 8 days. She apparently ran out of gas but the authorities don't know how she wound up in the woods.

I feel like this needs to be bookmarked somewhere, and this seems like an appropriate spot.Mike, sorry to be a nuisance, but is there any chance you can copy/paste this. It is impossible for me to view without allowing tracking permissions - a very devious website offering you opt outs which if you go to select track you anyway.

I'll do that, no problem. :thumbsup:

Washington teen found in woods 8 days after going missing

1 August, 2020

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An 18-year-old who went missing on July 24 has been found eight days later in the heavily wooded Cascade Mountains east of Seattle in what rescuers are calling a "miracle."


Thanks Bill.

I'm quite sure someone will bring this to DP's attention, it has all the hallmarks of a missing person case, though fortunately without the missing person.

It seems more and more apparent to me that there is mind control, insertion of thoughts into another being, going on here. I can think of nothing else that explains the consistent removal of shoes/clothing.

Running out of gas? Let's assume she wasn't stupid.

Edit to add:

A quick google search for Cascade Moutain disappearnces turns up a lot of results.

[NX.P]

That's not far from Vesper Peak and the Samantha Sayers case.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Here's a news report on this missing woman, miraculously found alive. What a relief her family and friends must have felt. So often these stories have sad endings.

Many, many questions remain though. Did she suffer some sort of episode, resulting in disorientation, amnesia? Did someone snatch her, assault her? Maybe there's a more esoteric explanation. If she continues to have no memory of what happened to her, hypno-regression could be the answer. It would be very interesting to know what that would reveal.

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[Bill Ryan]

David is on to Gia Fuda's strange experience: (starting at 11:33 in the video, published 3 August, 2020)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wJ3ApO9-zs

[Delight]

Amazon Prime allows you to see Missing 411 : The Hunted (https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B08B3CNH4C/ref=atv_dl_rdr?autoplay=1) which has a segment about anomalous sounds recorded at a very isolated camp (they are deeply EERIE, sound almost like speech at times).

Then he reports an Ohio experience where a hunter sees a shimmer moving from tree to tree. She is curiously not alarmed and almost forgets the incident.

Les Stroud (Survivorman) has published several recent videos concerning Bigfoot sightings. They are all on his channel posted about a month ago

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[Ewan]

Then he reports an Ohio experience where a hunter sees a shimmer moving from tree to tree. She is curiously not alarmed and almost forgets the incident.



That reminded me of the first Predator movie when I heard the above case.
(Silly aside, nothing pertinent).

[Delight]

Then he reports an Ohio experience where a hunter sees a shimmer moving from tree to tree. She is curiously not alarmed and almost forgets the incident.



That reminded me of the first Predator movie when I heard the above case.
(Silly aside, nothing pertinent).

That is true and possibly pertinent in that this could be an interdimensional phenomenon?

[Delight]

People disappear and reappear while alone. They seem to have inexplicably left their possessions and even clothes. these incidents happen in clustered locations that have common elements like water ways and boulder fields. The weather changes after an incident. I think this is fascinating and terrifying because there is an underlying phenomenon we can't even understand.


Bigfoot: An Inter-Dimensional Entity
Nick Redfern
September 16, 2014 (https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/09/bigfoot-an-inter-dimensional-entity/)

If there is one thing that can be said with any degree of certainty about Bigfoot, it’s that it has an undeniable “here one minute, and gone the next minute” aspect to it. Of course, those who (unlike me) adhere to the idea that Bigfoot is a purely flesh and blood animal suggest the creature is simply an incredibly stealthy one – most of the time, at least.

Maybe, however, there is more to it than that. Just maybe, there is far more to it than that. Ronan Coghlan is an Irish researcher and author – on many things paranormal – who has an intriguing theory on the matter of Bigfoot and its curiously elusive presence in our world.

It’s a theory that will likely provoke intrigue, interest, anger, and wonder – to varying degrees and depending on one’s personal views on what Bigfoot is or is not.

In a 2012 interview with me, Coghlan said: “It’s now becoming acceptable in physics to say there are alternative universes.”

The subject is far from one lacking in mysteries and questions, however, as Coghlan openly acknowledges: “Now, how do you get into, or out of, alternative universes? Well, the answer is quite simple: You have heard of worm-holes, I’m sure? No-one has ever seen a worm-hole, I hasten to add.

“They are hypothetical, but mainstream physicists say they could be there, and there’s one particular type called the Lorentzian Traversable Wormhole. Physicists admit there is a possibility that this exists, and it would be like a short-cut, from one universe to another.

“Thus, for example, it’s rather like a portal: Something from the other universe would come through it. Or, something from another planet could come through it.”

Turning his attentions towards the links between worm-holes and bizarre beasts, such as the aforementioned Bigfoot, Coghlan comments that: “If there are any of these worm-holes on Earth, it would be quite easy for anything to come through, like a Bigfoot, and it’s quite possible any number of anomalous creatures could find their way through from time to time.

“You remember John Keel and his window-areas? That would tend to indicate there’s a worm-hole in the vicinity; such as Point Pleasant, West Virginia, where the Mothman was seen.

“I have the distinct suspicion we are dealing with window-areas that either contact some other planet, or they contact another universe. My money is on the other universe, rather than the other planet, to be honest with you.

“Either a short-cut through time, or a short-cut through space, is recognized as possible these days. This is kind of cutting-edge physics, as it were.

“Now, the other one isn’t cutting-edge physics at all. It’s my own little theory.

“I think, looking at a great many legends, folk-tales, and things of that nature, it is possible to vibrate at different rates. And if you vibrate at a different rate, you are not seen. You are not tangible. And, then, when your vibration changes, you are seen, and you are tangible. Maybe that this has something to do with Bigfoot appearing and disappearing in a strange fashion.

“And, on the question of UFOs: Quite a large number of Bigfoot-type creatures have been seen in the vicinity of UFOs.

“I’m not saying there’s necessarily a connection between the two, but they do – quite often – turn up in the same areas. Now, if UFOs travel by worm-holes, and if Bigfoot does the same, that might allow for a connection between the two. They might not be mutually exclusive.”



Stars and Stripes, April 22, 1977 (http://www.johnkeel.com/?m=200912)

In his Strange Creatures From Time And Space, John Keel writes about “window areas”: “We have a theory. It is not very scientific but it is based upon the known facts. These creatures and strange events tend to recur in the same areas year after year, even century after century…” but there his theorizing did not stop. If there’s one important evolution in his oeuvre, it is his breaking away from the – at that time – predominant ETH explanation for the UFO phenomenon. This theory permeates his books like UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse, Our Haunted Planet, and The Eighth Tower, this last title the least known of his tremendously influential titles, but the most comprehensive in regards to his theory on the “Ultraterrestrials,” and the intelligences or intelligence that inhabits the Superspectrum, all of which can be compared more or less to Charles Fort’s musings on the Supersargasso Sea encircling the earth.



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[Delight]

These are interesting and informative

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[Delight]

Then he reports an Ohio experience where a hunter sees a shimmer moving from tree to tree. She is curiously not alarmed and almost forgets the incident.



That reminded me of the first Predator movie when I heard the above case.
(Silly aside, nothing pertinent).

I thought this was interesting

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[CurEus]

His documentary Missing411 The Hunted is now free on Amazon Prime video, can also sign up for a free 30 day trial in most places

[Delight]

Have not heard this yet but IMO there is a connecting link between mysteries around cryptic encounters and the missing people.. Where do they go after "the foot prints end"?

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This came out today and I just found it. Synchronicity Rules!!


Missing Fae-1-1
August 16, 2016
J. Cutchin (https://www.joshuacutchin.com/single-post/2016/08/16/Missing-Fae-1-1)

As we slouch through the dog days toward a merciful autumn, we’re graced with yet another entry in David Paulides’ Missing 411 series, this time subtitled Hunters. Anyone unfamiliar with Paulides should certainly avail themselves of his research, because it’s not only well-done, but chilling to boot.

I’ve mentioned numerous times before how Paulides’ research has become something of a paranormal Rorschach test: depending upon your interests, you’ll see what you want to see. Those with an interest in Sasquatch will contend that ape-men are snatching innocent hikers from National Parks. UFO aficionados will seize upon these cases as evidence of alien abduction. Conspiracy theorists will claim the government is harvesting brilliant minds to lead us through a worldwide cataclysm.

All of this, of course, ignores the absolute weirdness that surrounds the Missing 411 disappearances. There are plenty of strange commonalities to these cases (some listed below) that defy any of these traditional explanations. Nothing in Forteana seems to fit all the puzzle pieces.

Except, of course, faeries.

As noted numerous times on this blog and in my work, the fae folk are generally not pleasant, sweet, wish-granting godmothers. Usually they were quite nasty and, among other fiendish pastimes, delighted in abducting people, often from forests (consider the fact that the etymology of the word panic refers directly to the god Pan—a satyr, one of the fae folk—who instilled fear with strange noises from the woodlands).

In a spectacular example of possibly invalidating the objectivity of my view—being a faerie aficionado, of course I see their hand in this—consider how well the fae folk model fits the criteria for the disappearances outlined in the Missing 411 series:



Boulder fields and bodies of water. Quite a few people in Paulides' research disappear near boulder fields and bodies of water. While it is true that both Sasquatch and UFOs are commonly sighted near water, boulder fields fail to show up as often. In folklore, on the otherhand, bodies of water are home to water elementals, while boulder fields are regarded as faerie domains the world over.


Storms. Being nature spirits, faeries were naturally ascribed control over the elements, including storms and the weather. In the Missing 411 cases, Search & Rescue teams are frequently foiled by poor weather and sudden snow and rain. Certainly such abilities fall outside the scope of proponents that Sasquatch is a flesh-and-blood ape. While some will be quick to point out that the U.S. government can influence the weather—and, by extension, any sufficiently advanced non-human intelligence could as well—it seems like a grossly inefficient way to impede S&R progress, and I am not comfortable admitting that the precedent for such accuracy exists.


Animal fear. Just as in the Missing 411 cases, UFO and (especially) Sasquatch literature is replete with animals, particularly dogs, refusing to venture into the woods. Trained bloodhounds, for example, will simply lay down at the forest's edge and refuse to venture any further. This behavior is not only reflected in faerie lore of yore, but also in modern cases, such as the man whose dog was rooted to the spot after spying a pukwudgie in Raynham, Massachusetts.


Disembodied sounds. In some cases from the Missing 411 books, S&R teams will hear a disembodied voice, presumably the victim, coming from the wilderness. This phenomenon calls to mind not only the Oliver Lerch disappearance (likely a hoax), but also fae folk encounters, of which disembodied voices and music are a staple. As noted above, the Greek god Pan was often blamed with anomalous sounds coming from the woods. (As a humorous sidebar, take a listen to this Sasquatch Chronicles episode, which interviews hunters who hear childlike laughter in the woods... of course it couldn't be a faerie, that would be silly—it must be a Sasquatch!)


Modern folk heroes. One of Paulides' more recent entries, Missing 411: A Sobering Coincidence, covers scholar-athletes who become intoxicated and are found dead in nearby bodies of water. This has a two-fold dimension when interpreted through the faerie lense: not only do the fae folk enjoy picking on drunkards, like Jemmy Doyle, but there are plenty of Fairytales where the protagonist is a warrior (in the 21st century our tribes are sports teams, their athletes our warriors). Some may rightly counter that the toxicology reports of these young men often have modern medicinal sedatives in their bodies—but the fae phenomenon has always acted within the constraints of its cultural context. If faeries of 1250 A.D. pushed wine and ale upon their captors, perhaps they would behave similarly with GHB.


Plucked into the air. Many advocates of the UFO solution point to the fact that Paulides’ son mentioned (and I paraphrase): “It’s almost as if something plucked these people up into the air, like a claw machine.” True, one of the victims—Todd Geib—placed a cell phone call that sounded as though he was rushing through the air. But I will see your UFO theory and counter with a quote from Evans-Wentz’s The Fairy-Faith in Celtic Countries, which describes the Tylwyth Teg of the Isle of Anglesey: “As aerial beings the Tylwyth Teg could fly and move about in the air at will.”


Berry picking. Many of the victims in Paulides’ work disappear while out berry picking. This detail seems innocuous enough at first, but I have had many people see parallels to this and the cases I mention in A Trojan Feast. If forests are the faeries’ domain, and berries are in the forest, then that makes berries faerie food; and, if those who eat faerie food are trapped with the faeries forever then... well, you do the math.


There are several other criteria I've failed to mention, but these examples should be clear how parsimonious the fae folk solution is in expalning the Missing 411 cases. Factor in a handful of entities seen in some of the cases which sound strikingly like faeries, and the case is strengthened.

Just because the Missing 411 cases have the "mouth feel" of fae activity does not mean that other theories are incorrect. This would certainly hold true if, as I suspect, both UFO and Sasquatch lore are attempts to describe the same phenomenon our ancestors attributed to faeries.

What needs to be evaluated, really, is the paradigm in which Paulides' cases are presented: few to any materialist interpretations will yield a satisfactory answer. It is only by examining folklore that we will gain any deeper insight.

One final, extremely compelling detail: consider this excerpt from Katharine Luomala's

"Phantom Marchers in the Hawaiian Islands," an article which appeared in the Fall 1983 edition of Pacific Studies:



The limpet picker related his story this way: One night when I was fishing for ulua [crevally, Carangidae] Mahu-kona side, I was sitting listening to the waves crash on the rocks. I was with Keoki. We started talking story after sliding fresh puhi [eels] down the line. It was about ten o’clock. Suddenly I heard the sound of a conch shell blowing in the distance. Keoki heard it too. I thought it was the wind. Then a little while later we heard it again. This time it was a little louder. It was spooky because we didn’t see anything, Then we heard it again. We looked toward Ka-wai-hae side and then we saw it. It looked like a procession. At first we saw a line of torches in the distance. The procession was moving along the coastline. The conch shell blew again.

I took out my knife and Keoki got the rifle. We went seaward and laid down on the lava rock. We knew about night marchers [Hawaiian faeries, otherwise known as the menehune - ed.] from other fishermen. We knew you aren’t supposed to look upon the marchers and to lay on the ground face down. We did this. The marchers passed about fifty yards in front of us on the sand path. As they passed we could hear the sound of a drum pounding beat by beat. We didn’t look up until they were farther down the coast. All we could see now was the line of torches, and all we could hear was the far away sound of the conch shell.

We didn’t know if they were going to come back that night, but we didn’t want to stick around and see. We got our sleeping bags and made it to the car and went to Spencer Park to spend the rest of the night. In the morning we went back and picked up our rigs and equipment we left behind.



Later, Luomala describes this behavior as part of a larger set of Hawaiian beliefs regarding the procession of royalty:


A herald often accompanied a dignitary in order to command people to get off the road and, if the principal marcher was of very high rank, to prostate themselves (kapu moe), or, if of lower rank, to squat down (kapu noho). The herald might also require the onlooker to close his eyes or to remove all or part of his clothing....

Although many victims detailed in Paulides' research disappear without a trace, occasionally their bodies are found.

Quite often, the corpses are face down in the dirt, their clothes neatly folded and placed beside them.

[Delight]

I use Brave browser and it really does eliminate most ads.

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[Bill Ryan]

Three more updates from Paulides in the last week:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z1sPA9TRRQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9AjIKe0xNQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQQzp8itw6w

[The Moss Trooper]

The first video in Bill's post above, Nora Quoirin, has to be watched. Poor Nora.

The official report of the police is gobsmacking...... far, far more open minded than western police, that's for sure.

[Delight]

This is a fascinating mystery.

Again and again evidence that there is a link between these disappearances and a strange force. The skinwalker is a human who is said to have allied with a perverse magic and allied with evil beings. Magicians talk about invocation and evocation of the elemental beings. If one calls it the realm of Fae, there are beings who are harmful and those who even help. DP talking about Djinn, Shadow Beings reminds me of all kinds of descriptions of "THE Adversary" of man.


Taking a Look at the Djinn
Nick Redfern
December 13, 2018 (https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/12/taking-a-look-at-the-djinn/)Of all the entities of the supernatural variety, none are more feared and revered – in equal amounts – than the Middle Eastern Djinn. They are ancient and powerful beings that should be avoided at all costs. Although, at times they can be friendly and helpful, the Djinn are also dangerous and manipulative. Without doubt, one of the most learned researchers in the field of energy-based entities is Rosemary Ellen Guiley, whose books include The Djinn Connection. Rosemary says: “They can eat human food when they take human form, but our food does not sustain them. It gives them pleasure. They can absorb the essence of food, and things like the molecules from tobacco smoke, which provide enjoyment. Their main source of nourishment is the absorption of energy from life forms. The best is the draining of a soul, but is difficult to do and is considered unlawful. It is, however, practiced by certain powerful, renegade Djinn. The vampiric absorption of the life force can be quite detrimental to people, and cause health problems.”

According to ancient lore, the Djinn existed long before we did – tens of thousands of years before us, in fact. The story of the Djinn is detailed in the pages of the Quran, which is the sacred book of Islamic teachings and which those of the Muslim faith believe is the word of God – or, in their religion, Allah, as he is known. Although there are significant differences between the Bible and the Quran, there are a lot of deep similarities, too. The Bible teaches that God created the human race, in the form of Adam and Eve – the latter having allegedly been crafted from one of Adam’s ribs. In the world of Islam, Allah brought Adam into being, too. But, he did much more than that. As well as bringing the human race and the angels to life, Allah also created supernatural entities that, in terms of power and stature, were right up there with the angels. They were, if you have not already guessed, the mighty Djinn of old.

Things went wrong for the Djinn – and drastically so – when Allah insisted that they display deep reverence for Adam. The angels were ordered to do likewise. And, while the Angels dutifully did what they were told, the Djinn most assuredly did not. They chose to vehemently go against the word of Allah. For the Djinn, this proved to be utterly disastrous: they were unceremoniously slung out of the realm of Heaven. Their only chance of retaining some degree of their original, powerful status is when Judgement Day finally comes along. That, we are told, is when all of the Djinn will be placed before Allah and given the opportunity to make things right, whenever that may be. Until then, and under the law of Allah, the Djinn are free to do as they please – which includes feeding on us and, if they choose, even to forever obliterate us from existence. While the Djinn can – to a degree – encourage people to perform sinful acts, they cannot literally force us to commit the likes of murder and violence. We are still very much the deciding factor.

The mightiest of all the Djinn is Iblis. In fact, he is the overlord of the Djinn. His name translates into English as “despair.” In essence, Iblis can be compared to Satan – in the sense that one of his prime directives is to lure the human race to the dark side. The parallel between the Devil and Iblis is made even more obvious by the fact that in Islamic lore Iblis’ alternative name is Shaitan – which only serves to amplify the Satanic-themed links between Iblis and the Devil of the Bible. That Iblis – also referred to as Shaitan, remember – is the ultimate Djinn, has given rise to the theory that the rest of the Djinn hordes are the equivalents of the Bible’s demons. Certainly, there are uncanny similarities between both stories.

The recent case of Gia Fuda (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-washington-missing-alive-fuda-20200802-xlbekbbganachbcca5csl2hwdm-story.html) in Washington seems to fit the profile (and luckily she was found...very disoriented and unable to say what happened)

It is amazing that large amounts of GHB were isolated on a second autopsy for Dan Zamlen. This is a natural "forgetting" neurotransmitter. it would make sense of why people who survive cannot recall what happened.


gamma-Hydroxybutyric acid or γ-Hydroxybutyric acid (GHB) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid), also known as 4-hydroxybutanoic acid, is a naturally occurring neurotransmitter and a psychoactive drug.It is a precursor to GABA, glutamate, and glycine in certain brain areas. It acts on the GHB receptor and is a weak agonist at the GABA B receptor. GHB has been used in the medical setting as a general anesthetic and as a treatment ...

[Bill Ryan]

Another update from David, published just over a week ago. :flower:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTE0hh-fLEo

[Delight]

Another update from David, published just over a week ago. :flower:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTE0hh-fLEo

and this...

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[Delight]

Listening to this and hearing about the interdimensional interface with other beings in the wilderness.

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[Bill Ryan]

Two more updates, a week and a day ago respectively. Dave Paulides is (rightly) highly frustrated about quite a number of things.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJbmDOWrwd8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl8m6C1pvNA

[ExomatrixTV]

Two more updates, a week and a day ago respectively. Dave Paulides is (rightly) highly frustrated about quite a number of things.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJbmDOWrwd8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl8m6C1pvNA


And the irony + hypocrisy is that the Governments have no problems invading more and more of OUR privacy on so many levels placing intelligent surveillance cameras everywhere + using our Smart Phone use data like: "Contact Tracing App" and that is just the beginning ... Them hyperventilating (being upset) us filming in Nature seems really odd.

[Delight]

Ancient legends and folklore say people should avoid Yeti....

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[Ewan]

The book referenced in the video above, "Life among the Piutes", is in my personal library but you can find it here (https://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/life_among_the_piutes/).

[stou07]

Are there any links to download David Paulides books for free?

[Brigantia]

Are there any links to download David Paulides books for free?

He doesn't do digital editions due to copyright infringement, which is theft.

I feel very strongly that authors should receive payment for their work, I would be very unhappy if the book that I have listed was available for free after all the work that went into creating it.

[Tyy1907]

His documentary Missing411 The Hunted is now free on Amazon Prime video, can also sign up for a free 30 day trial in most places

This is on Tubi as well right now. Free free free

[stou07]

Are there any links to download David Paulides books for free?

He doesn't do digital editions due to copyright infringement, which is theft.

I feel very strongly that authors should receive payment for their work, I would be very unhappy if the book that I have listed was available for free after all the work that went into creating it.

Well i meant if anyone has the books,i would be very much obliged if he would like to scan the pages and then upload. Anyway thanks

[Brigantia]

Are there any links to download David Paulides books for free?

He doesn't do digital editions due to copyright infringement, which is theft.

I feel very strongly that authors should receive payment for their work, I would be very unhappy if the book that I have listed was available for free after all the work that went into creating it.

Well i meant if anyone has the books,i would be very much obliged if he would like to scan the pages and then upload. Anyway thanks

That's still copyright infringement... I got Paulides' books directly from his website, they sell secondhand here on Ebay for a lot of money so even with the postage costs it was a lot more reasonable. They arrived very quickly too.

He used to sell them on Amazon but they really rip authors off - I'm well aware of that.

I do get his point about protecting his copyright, seeing as I spent many hours over many months researching, writing, editing to create a coherent narrative, formatting and proofreading. It's a very long process and deserves reward for the effort.

[Bill Ryan]

Three more updates in the last week: :thumbsup:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVPGzfmyaiA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01gybENCynU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAM8MizFi7k

[Merkaba360]

Hello everyone.

I've read thru the first half of this thread so far and had something profound hit me.

Not sure if you guys have heard of Mattias De Stefano (Gaia TV, remembers past lives), but I find him quite impressive and likeable. Check him out if you don't know him.

Anyway, he said (through his rememberance of past lives and the akashic records) that our main reason for coming to earth is not for ourselves (which obviously is still a big deal) but to help the planet become some kind of interdimensional gateway.

It just hit me why the Powers that Be pushing the Agenda 21 and such could be so powerful. Most of the interdimensional influences would be aligned and preparing earth for its future as a new galactic "hub" if it will gain new abilities as a gateway/portal. That would create a new important route for galactic trade and travel, meaning many types of beings would want to have a place on earth as a "post" for their species. It would be good for business and embassies as well.

Afterall, the dark elite seem to be planning for opening portals to let their "dark lords" or whatever in to rule the planet right? So, this all seems like a power struggle for who gets influence on the planet after it gains its new status/abilities in the galaxy. I would assume some of our closest ET ancestors/relatives would be backing us and not wanting humans to get dwindled as they would fit in with our presence here very well. We would also be aligned with them more than some very bizarre species. lol

So, some species would support the depopulation agenda to make room for the new arrivals. I assume this would be such a big deal and shift in the bigger picture, that culling a few billion humans acting like dumb animals is insignificant to their galactic agenda. They wouldn't really see it as evil/cruel, unless they were spiritually advanced.

An interesting question is that apparently us humans are needed to lift the consciousness of the planet to become a gateway, so would a great war killing billions of humans thwart Earth's process of becoming?

Are the interdimensional activities/events increasing over the past few decades? Perhaps the shift is happening and allowing more weird activity to come thru and escalate. :sherlock:

[Merkaba360]

One more thing regarding Extraterrestrial vs Ultraterrestrial.

I wish people would start thinking holographically at least in this forum lol. There was news recently of how applying holographic theory to black holes is clearing up some of the confusion. If you study this enough, its pretty much obvious by now. Afterall, its silly to think rocks just appeared out of nowhere and are all flying apart FOREVER, going nowhere, until every rock as all alone. lol

Movement is really an illusion anyways and the stars aren't really gajillion miles away. Eat some mushrooms and you'll feel like you can touch the moon. When i look at the night sky, I realize the universe is all mind. So, its more like a mental projected map of how mind is organized. Perhaps the cosmos we see out there is just a representation for how consciousness is organized relative to our perception.

So, traveling those (seeming) absurd distances is a matter of phase shifting into higher frequencies. Hmm, I wonder how "velocity" is related to frequency.

I would say that the illusion of distance only applies below the speed of light. So basically if you want to leave the solar system, you have to utilize frequency/interdimensional to beat the illusion and gain the holographic potential. Maybe we could fly to a few nearby star systems, but thats about the limit of practicality of the conventional methods.

Also, we are more likely to tap into human ghosts and things like that when dealing with interdimensional reality. Those things are nearer to our consciousness. So, I think "near " in the universe has just as much to do with closeness or similarity of consciousness as it does the normal "physical" perception of distance. I guess we are more focused on the latter, and maybe shifting to the former more is what we need to access interdimensional reality more.

Lastly, the story of that surfer guy going to , i think it was skin walker ranch to meditate cuz of the Energy. Perhaps, he was lying and wanted to see if he could see whats going on there thru meditation or contact entities or he wanted to purify the area of dark energy. Maybe that is why the "monster" showed up and scared him off. His positive vibe and intention may have pissed off the monster as it could be harming the monster's dark energy lol.

[Bill Ryan]

One more thing regarding Extraterrestrial vs Ultraterrestrial.

I wish people would start thinking holographically at least in this forum lol.Well, they may be! :)


Is Bigfoot at least partly interdimensional? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103237-Is-Bigfoot-at-least-partly-interdimensional)

[Patient]

I have wondered also, wouldn't we be better to receive ET relations if our world was united under one world government?

Obviously that would have to be a goal of the one world government. Do we know what their goal is? Are we only perceiving that it would be wrong to have one world rule? Are we being tricked into fighting against this?

Are the people that have dissapeared in the forests in a better place than us?

I wonder if we will ever know the truth of many of these types of questions.

There is always a different perspective.

[TomKat]

I have wondered also, wouldn't we be better to receive ET relations if our world was united under one world government?

Obviously that would have to be a goal of the one world government. Do we know what their goal is? Are we only perceiving that it would be wrong to have one world rule? Are we being tricked into fighting against this?

Are the people that have dissapeared in the forests in a better place than us?

I wonder if we will ever know the truth of many of these types of questions.

There is always a different perspective.

The people working for world government are mostly wealthy psychopaths who think Orwell's vision was mild. Are you willing to give up your spiritual/political/financial freedom for the abstract possibility of ET relations?

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[Matthew]

Another copyrighted video from David Paulides

This is a regular slot, well worth the subscribe to his channel, Canam Missing Project (link to youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChXKAI83IuqSneWe92F97jQ))

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In this series he has been reading through peoples emails
(he asks people if they can keep them to a short paragraph though, so he can get through them all, and will respond if its "something they're interested in")

Paulidies talks about this one letter in his latest video (above): from Dr. Curt Bachman, sharing some kind of study on the relationship between Phases of the moon and disappearances. Paulidies put the letter on his web page. I cut and pasted the bits that had numerical results. The source is linked for anyone interested in the whole letter


Source:
(search the web page for 'Dr. Curt Bachman' to jump to it)
https://www.canammissing.com/current_events.html


Curt Bachman Ph.D

Hunters-Missing
· 24 missing cases out of 148 occurred under Full or New moon: 16% (P = 0.0129)
· 105 missing cases out of 148 occurred under moon illumination that was either 75% or more, or 25% or less: 71%
· 64 missing cases out of 148 occurred under moon illumination that was either 90% or more, or 10% or less: 43%

Eastern-Missing
· 26 missing cases out of 167 occurred under a Full or New moon: 16% (P = 0.0083)
· 108 missing cases out of 167 occurred under moon illumination that was either 75% or more, or 25% or less: 65%
· 63 missing cases out of 167 occurred under moon illumination that was either 90% or more, or 10% or less: 38%

Sobering Coincidence-Missing
· 12 missing/death cases out of 99 occurred under Full or New moon: 12%
· 70 missing/death cases out of 99 occurred under moon illumination that was either 75% or more, or 25% or less: 71%
· 39 missing/death cases out of 99 occurred under moon illumination that was either 90% or more, or 10% or less: 39%

North America and Beyond-Missing
· 24 missing/death cases out of 183 occurred under Full or New moon: 13% (P = 0.0474)
· 110 cases out of 183 occurred under moon illumination that was either 75% or more, or 25% or less: 60%
· 66 cases out of 183 occurred under moon illumination that was either 90% or more, or 10% or less: 36%

Canada-Missing
· 21 missing/death cases out of 141 occurred under Full or New moon: 15% (P = 0.0274)
· 101 missing/death cases out of 141 occurred under moon illumination that was either 75% or more, or 25% or less: 72%
· 60 missing/death cases out of 141 occurred under moon illumination that was either 90% or more, or 10% or less: 43%

Off the Grid-Missing
· 17 missing/death cases out of 99 occurred under either a Full or New moon: 17% (P = 0.0271)
· 64 missing/death cases out of 99 occurred under moon illumination that was either 75% or more, or 25% or less: 65%
· 37 missing/death cases out of 99 occurred under moon illumination that was either 90% or more, or 10% or less: 37%

The Devil’s in the Detail-Missing
· 18 missing/death cases out of 140 occurred under either a Full or New moon: 13%
· 96 missing/death cases out of 140 occurred under moon illumination that was either 75% or more, or 25% or less: 69%
· 55 missing death cases out of 140 occurred under moon illumination that was either 90% or more, or 10% or less: 39%

Western US-Missing
· 30 missing/death cases out of 209 occurred under either a Full or New moon: 14% (P = 0.0160)
· 144 missing/death cases out of 209 occurred under moon illumination that was either 75% or more, or 25% or less: 69%
· missing death cases out of 209 occurred under moon illumination that was either 90% or more, or 10% or less: %

Land Air and Water
· 11 missing/death cases out of 87 occurred under either a Full or New moon: 13%
· 60 missing/death cases out of 87 occurred under moon illumination that was either 75% or more, or 25% or less: % 69%
· 34 missing death cases out of 87 occurred under moon illumination that was either 90% or more, or 10% or less: % 39%

[Tintin]

Some sad news to report here and we offer David our very sincere condolences at this difficult time :flower:

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Text reads:


"On Sunday, my son, Ben lost his battle with mental illness. He was the director of Missing 411, a 4 yr starter on Miami Oh hockey team. I’m a broken person, I miss him beyond words. Please pray for Ben’s soul, he’s on the journey to heaven."

[Elainie]

How tragic, my condolences to him.

[janette]

How terribly sad. I pray he makes the journey home to paradise.

[Journeyman]

How sad :( It's a tough time for all, maybe reach out to anyone you think may be struggling, you never know if they're in need of some support because it's very difficult for those who are suffering to say so.

I came here to post this link from an interesting blog, which relates the missing 411 to the Fae:

https://thegipster.blogspot.com/2020/11/missing-fae-1-1.html

[Jim_Duyer]

David Paulides is a former police officer who is now an investigator and writer known primarily for his self-published books, dedicated to proving the reality of Bigfoot and his Missing 411 series of books, in which he documents the disappearance of people in national parks and elsewhere. Paulides attributes mysterious, unspecified causes to these disappearances. They are well researched and a good read if you have not already read them. Obviously his investigative
background brings new talents to the field.

I don't know the accurate numbers of people worldwide that go missing each year, from causes that can’t be attributed to runaways in many cases, but it is a very high figure, and one that the powers that be seem to want to report as being low. So rather than looking into it, they seem to find no problem with it. Until it is one of their own family, I imagine.

Anyway, I had some background research in this area from an author named Scott Corrales, which offers a most interesting "alternative" to the UFO phenomenon which I think is very original. I was planning on expanding it into a short book but I really do not have the time to do so, and therefore I am sharing it with you kind folks today. This is directly in line with the thinking of John Keel and Jacque Vallee, both of whom I suspect of working for the intelligence agencies, based upon their later writings, but it's a view that should be considered, if only to discount it if necessary.

Mysterious Disappearances reported worldwide:

The Roman author Julius Obsequens, worthy perhaps of the distinction of being the earliest "Fortean" researcher, approached the subject of unexplained disappearances in his Liber Prodigiorum with a story that was well-known to his audience: "One day, when Romulus, founder of Rome, exhorted his troops in the vicinity of the Caprean Swamp, there erupted a sudden, noisy thunderstorm during which Romulus was enveloped in a cloud so dense that he was lost out of sight, and was never again seen by mortal men. He was then ascended to divine rank, and worshipped under the name Quirinus".

People still disappear, perhaps not as spectacularly as Romulus did (nor are they elevated to godhead), but that they do so is an undisputed fact. It is necessary to separate what could best be described as commonplace disappearances--the ones involving people on the run from the law, deadbeat parents, parents who abduct their children to live in obscurity elsewhere, and a host of other mundane reasons--from the cases which boggle the mind and defy common sense: cases where people vanish without a trace from airplanes travelling at thirty thousand feet, or disappear from rooms that have been locked from the outside.

Perhaps even more than UFOs, the enigma of sudden disappearance has challenged investigators for a hundred years, and an ominous silence stifles the small, silent question at the end of every case, often all-too-horrible to enunciate: where did these people disappear to?

The ability to "take a powder" in antiquity was considered the exclusive province of sorcerers and witches. The notorious Apollonius of Tyana disappeared from the sight of the Emperor Domitian and his court, as tradition would have it, causing great consternation.

Mexican author Artemio del Valle Arizpe gave us the legend of "La Mulata de C¢rdoba", a witch from colonial times who was imprisoned for her uncanny ability to find lost items and hidden treasures: when her jailor stopped by her cell to check on her, he was astounded to see the woman boarding a tiny sailing ship she had drawn on the wall, and sailed off, waving at her captor. The vampires of Eastern Europe were reputedly able to vanish and reappear at will thanks to the evil powers at their disposal.

Even if the aforementioned were true, it would not begin to solve our dilemma: contemporary cases involving mysterious disappearances do not, as a rule, involve people who want to vanish from the sight of their peers for one reason or another. Their disappearance is often sudden and unexpected, taking place by day or by night, alone or escorted, and sometimes involving the evaporation of the vehicle in which they travelled.

In 1941, a Swiss rescue team was called upon to search for a group of mountain climbers that had not returned to their base camp. After a number of days, the rescuers managed to find the footprints of the mountaineering party, which stopped abruptly in the middle of a glacier. In this case, the authorities determined "it was a disappearance under circumstances which could not be clearly determined, on account of the facts".

The Florida state police would be next in line for bemusement, this time resulting from the 1952 disappearance of Tom Brook, his wife, and his 11 year-old son. According to the report, the Brooks had visited a friend some 30 miles away from Miami, and got into their car to return home at 11:40 p.m.. They never completed the trip: local law enforcement found their empty car, headlights ablaze and doors open, just 7 miles away from their friend's house. Mrs. Brooke's handbag was found in the back seat, containing a considerable amount of money. Police records indicate that the family's footprints led to a meadow at the edge of the road, stopping abruptly after a few dozen steps, as in the case involving the missing Swiss mountaineers eleven years earlier. A similar fate befell a French family in 1972: after spending an evening with some friends, and heading back to their home in the early hours of the morning, they never reached their destination, a scant 2 miles away. No satisfactory explanation was ever provided.

It is difficult enough to find conjectures to account for the fates of these hapless individuals. The task becomes overwhelming when the disappearance of hundreds, even thousands, must be accounted for.

During the War of the Spanish Succession in 1707, a four thousand-man invasion force under the Habsburg Archduke, Charles, camped at the foot of the Pyrenees on their way to Spain, breaking camp the following morning and marching through a mountain pass. This well-armed and equipped force never reached its goal, nor was it ever accounted for. During the French invasion of Indochina in the mid 19th century, a column of 650 fusiliers marched toward Saigon, disappearing without having ever engaged the enemy. The possibility that the fusiliers had been ambushed by Vietnamese forces was discounted, since another group followed close behind and did not hear the sounds of an armed encounter, nor did it find any scattered arms, gear, or bodies.

The preceding case histories are well-known to fortean and paranormal researchers. They are the "classic" cases which serve as an introduction to the more recent cases, which remain equally unexplained--a reminder to the determined investigator that others have covered the path before and have been unable to come up with answers. The more recent cases that follow are no less intriguing.

When the Dutch sensitive Gerard Croiset was employed by the Puerto Rican police in the mid-1970's to find two children belonging to a local millionaire, he concluded, chillingly, that the children were nowhere to be found on this physical plane. Unwilling to be blinded by what they perceived as mysticism, the police thanked Croiset and resumed their investigations with conventional means: the children remain missing to this very day.

Jose Maria Carnero, a 26 year old medical student, vanished off the face of the earth in April 1987 while on maneuvers with the military unit to which he belonged on the Montelareina Military Base in Zamora, Spain. Reports indicate that Jose Maria wandered away from his squad in the midst of a light rainfall, while the other soldiers tried to find shelter under the trees. The young man was never seen again, even after a massive search by the Spanish army, which to this day lists him as a deserter.

Author Salvador Freixedo, who looked into the subject of these bizarre disappearances as part of his book La Granja Humana, cites the curious case of a vehicular accident in Burgos, Spain which caused the deaths of a number of people and the disappearance of a 10 year-old from one of the trucks involved in the accident. He was not found among the victims of the crash, and has never been seen again. The police initially believed that the boy had wandered away from the crash scene in an amnesic state, and a thorough search of the area was mounted by both civilians and police officials, yet nothing was turned up. In order to bring the case to a close, the authorities suggested that the boy had been disintegrated, in fact, by a cargo of sulfuric acid being hauled by the tanker truck in which he was a passenger.

Some of the cases read like science-fiction in their thriller-like quality (bear in mind that science fiction author Isaac Asimov used a mysterious disappearance to transport one of his protagonists to the future in A Pebble in the Sky) and detail. In 1950, a New York City paper allegedly carried a four-line news item relating the death of a pedestrian hit by a car near Times Square. The car had apparently been unable to stop and a crowd of onlookers ran to offer assistance to the unfortunate victim, one Rudolf Fenz, who was pronounced dead. There were details to the sad but uneventful story which were impossible to overlook: the late Rudolf Fenz was wearing decidedly vintage clothing--a frock coat, narrow trousers, buckle shoes and a matching hat. His pockets contained several calling cards to his name, an invoice regarding the lodging and upkeep of a horse and carriage, and a letter postmarked 1876. A search of the New York phone book revealed the number of a Rudolf Fenz, Jr., who had passed away some years earlier. Nonetheless, his widow was able to tell investigator Hubert V. Rihn of the Missing Persons division that her late husband's father had disappeared mysteriously in 1876 while on a trip to the local tobacconist, and never returned home. Rihn allegedly looked through records for that year and found that one Rudolf Fenz, age 29, had disappeared on the same night, last seen wearing a black frock coat, narrow trousers, and buckle shoes.

Certain locations on the planet have acquired the reputation as places where human disappearances are quite common. Some of them, like the Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's Triangle of Japan, have formed part of "pop" paranormal study for decades. Nonetheless, mountains play a greater role as locales for mysterious disappearances than any other site. In ancient tradition, travelers straying too close to Greece's Mt. Parnassus or Mt. Olympus would often be lost for good. Puerto Rico's El Yunque, New Hampshire's Mt. Glastenbury, and Eastern Zimbabwe's Mt. Inyangani never quite managed to acquire the name recognition of the better-known ones, despite the vast number of unexplained cases which have occurred in and around them.

Mist-shrouded El Yunque has always been a source of mystery involving paranormal phenomena and more recently, UFOs. Dozens of individuals, largely weekenders and campers, have disappeared inexplicably from this mountain rainforest. A child disappeared while walking down a trail with its parents, and even rescue teams sent to investigate have been swallowed by this deceptive wilderness area. Forestry officials are quick to blame quicksand and unexplored sinkholes as the reasons for these evaporations, even when they occurred in areas far from where any of the aforementioned conditions would be encountered.

The disappearances at Mt. Glastenbury managed to cause a sensation in peaceful rural Vermont. During a five year span running from the mid-1940's to the early '50s, seven individuals vanished from this peak near Bennington, Vermont. Unlike El Yunque, this location had no prior history of being one from which people could fade into thin air. A number of theories--ranging from black magic activity to UFO abductions--have been shuffled around to explain the disappearances. Mt. Glastenbury's first victim, curiously enough, was a mountain guide who took hunters on treks through the wilderness. This guide, plus four hunters, was never seen again. Another victim was lost under even weirder conditions: he boarded a bus in Saint Albans, Vermont, took a seat, was noticed by the driver and other passengers...but was never seen getting out of the bus, which was a non-stop service to Bennington.

Zimbabwe's Mount Inyangani is perhaps the most interesting of the mountain sites known for their ability to make people vanish, precisely because in some instances, those missing have turned up with peculiar stories to tell. UFO investigator Cynthia Hind, in an article for FATE Magazine, discusses the experience which befell a present deputy minister in the Zimbabwean government, who was once lost on Mount Inyangani with two companions. According to the deputy minister, the three men walked aimlessly in a state of confusion, feeling neither thirst nor hunger, all the while seeing and waving frantically at the elements of the rescue team, who could not see them at all. Apparently, certain blood sacrifices were offered to the tutelary deities of the mountain, which enabled the three men to "reenter" our normal space-time continuum. Hind's article goes on to say that in the early 80's, a district assistant for the locality which includes Mount Inyangani was himself involved in the rescue operation undertaken to localize a missing government official. The elders of the Tangwena tribe were informed of the official's plight, and a ritual aimed at securing his "return" was performed. The missing official was found the next day, none worse for the experience, but unable to remember what he had done during the two days he was missing. Others have been less fortunate, and their disappearances have never been solved. The efficacy of ritual magic in these cases indicates that there is an intelligence of sorts that can be persuaded, upon occasion, to give up those it has taken, or have heedlessly wandered into its domain. Did the ancient Tainos of Puerto Rico have spells to ransom their lost kin from El Yunque's misty depths? We shall never know.

Humans have always had a healthy respect for certain bodies of water, mainly freshwater lakes with a reputation for evil. Some of these include the Scottish and Irish lakes investigated by the late F.W. Holiday and lakes and lagoons elsewhere in the world which allegedly harbor monsters or exotic life-forms. Still other lakes are notorious for the matter which occupies us here: mysterious human disappearances.

British mystery researcher H.P. Wilkins looked into the traditions associated with the "hot" lakes of Iceland's northeastern corner, the unoccupied land known by the ominous moniker of Od dharhraun. This vast wasteland harbors the Askja volcano, a gargantuan crater thirteen miles across, surrounded by a lunar landscape of lava fields and black ash.

Into this nightmarish corner of the world--suggestive of Tolkien's Mordor--entered a group of young German geologists conducting a survey of Iceland's astonishing volcanic activity. They arrived in 1905 at the fishing village of Husavik and hired a guide to lead them to the Od dharhraun, hitherto shunned by all Icelanders as a supernatural, malevolent place. Against their guide's warnings, the Germans made camp in the forsaken region and two of them boarded a dinghy to reach the center of the volcanic lake. When their companion, who had remained ashore, turned to check on his fellows' progress, he was stunned to realize that they were no longer there--the scientists and their boat had disappeared. The authorities later mounted a rescue effort and the hot lake was dragged, but the scientists had vanished for good. Wilkins adds to this story that any investigator spending some time in Iceland's lonely interior can easily collect a number of stories regarding bizarre disappearances.

These disappearance-inducing lakes are not safely tucked away in remote regions of foreign countries, either. George Andrews, author of Extraterrestrial Friends and Foes, includes the disturbing supernatural activity surrounding Lake Whitney in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area. Quoting an article from the Fort Worth Star Telegram which appeared in 1976, Andrews introduces us to a body of water into which people and vehicles have disappeared in the most unusual manner possible. Almost a dozen cars have driven off the road into the water since the 1950's, and planes have inexplicably plunged into the depths. Scuba divers have disappeared as well, even though Whitney is a contained lake lacking an undertow. UFOs have also been reported in the vicinity. The official verdict regarding the mysterious disappearances, in most cases, is "negligence leading to drowning."

The Lake Whitney incidents enable the transition from a passive reason for disappearances to an active one which has received the most attention over the past several decades: UFOs. It is undeniable that there exists a strong link between heavy UFO activity and mysterious disappearances. Researcher Phil Imbrogno points out the sharp increase in missing children reports shortly after the outbreak of saucer activity over the Hudson Valley in the late 1980's--nearly three thousand children disappeared from Westchester County, NY alone. Law enforcement officials were dumbfounded both at the number of missing children and by the fact that they never turned up at halfway homes or red-light districts.

Patrice Gaston, whose “Disparitions Mysterieuses” remains the textbook on the phenomenon of human disappearances, notes that in the wake of the still-unexplained blackouts that plunged New York City and the Northeast into darkness in 1965, amid heavy UFO activity, 4 million persons were reported as missing by the Tracers Company in the United States alone: an increase by two million to the average yearly figure of people who are listed as missing. Add to this figure the number of unexplained disappearances following the subsequent mystery blackouts that engulfed the planet (from Argentina to the Far East), and it reminds one of Charles Fort's statement, "I believe we are fished for."

However, we must refrain from succumbing to the temptation of placing the blame squarely on UFOs -- most disappearances, like the ones pointed out earlier, take place independently of UFO flaps. The flying saucer and the intelligence behind it is merely another symptom rather than the cause.

The truly difficult questions regarding the mysterious disappearance of human beings throughout the ages are: (a) what caused their disappearance? and (b) what became of them? Several theories have been put forward to answer both distressing questions.

The British scholar F.W.H. Myers believed that in order to fall through the cracks that lead out of our reality into another, wholly unimagined one, the victim must have a hidden "talent" which he termed psychorragic diathesis. This mental condition or ability causes a disruption of the fabric of mind, energy, and matter, sending the hapless victim through the crack in reality. According to Myers, this ability would cause an unintentional, abrupt, and undesired passage from our three dimensional world into a fourth dimensional one, or allow the passage of strange creatures from their own dimension into this one. If Myers was at all on the right track, then one can also suppose that there may be those who have mastered this skill and use it to "teleport" themselves between worlds or planes of existence. The mystery felines, hairy monsters, and chimerical creatures which compose the backbone of Fortean research may have an instinctual predisposition for teleportation, thus shuttling between our reality and their own at will. Authors D. Scott Rogo and Jerome Clark suggested that among the physical characteristics of many bizarre creatures reported, most feature luminous eyes, suggesting that their "home dimension" may be one of darkness.

Argentinian parapsychologist Juan Jacobo Bajarl¡a offers a different explanation: parapsychology admits the existence of a phenomenon known as hyloclasty--the penetration of matter by matter itself. This phenomenon explains how a solid object can traverse a wall through another dimension without leaving a physical trace. While teleportation would perforce be a side-effect of hyloclasty, Dr. Bajarl¡a warns us that the paranormal effects would only come about in a trance state. The individual must enter the state he denominates paragnosia (the state of paranormal awareness), which overrides the five senses, along with reason and free will. The energy produced by the individual experiencing this condition, usually as a result of fear, can be so intense that it causes the victim to either levitate or be thrust into another dimension, or stranding him/her in an "unfindable" place. A more complete treatment on this interesting hypothesis appears in Dr. Antonio Las Heras' Respuestas al Tri ngulo de las Bermudas (Solutions to the Bermuda Triangle).

Both Gordon Creighton, editor of the prestigious Flying Saucer Review, and Spanish ufologist Salvador Freixedo have expressed a belief that the elemental beings known to the Islamic world as djinn, jinas, or genies are responsible for a measure of these enigmatic disappearances. These Arabic elementals find their counterparts in the European fairies and Native American spirits and dwarves. The djinn take a great delight in meddling in human affairs, and are able to do so because they are invisible to our eyes. They have the ability to appear in our world under any guise of their choice, and they take great pleasure in abducting humans.

Fourth and last, we return to UFOs as a cause of disappearances. In a mind-bending case that allegedly occurred in Cajamarca, Peru (no date given), a woman named Isabel Tuct was kidnapped in the wink of an eye by a brilliant UFO that suddenly descended from above while she was hanging the laundry out to dry. Several neighbors allegedly witnessed this event, and the case remains unsolved.

The testimony of the Zimbabwean officials who disappeared in Mt. Inyangani remains our only means of answering the second question, what becomes of those who vanish under these circumstances. They wandered aimlessly, able to see the rescue teams, but unable to communicate with them. While they didn't experience any hunger or tiredness at the time, it is hardly likely that they could have gone on indefinitely. On a more sobering note, it is interesting to know that the skeletons of some of the victims of Vermont's Mt. Glastenbury turned up many, many years later. Did the act of dying expel the physical body back into our reality?

Perhaps falling through a time/space/reality warp has devastating consequences for the victim, jumbling their senses and causing irreparable damage. Charles Fort mentions the sudden appearance of apparently amnesic "wild men" in England during the winter of 1904-1905. They were naked and spoke no language known to the available police experts. Could these have been the victims of mysterious disappearances, "spat" out at random in another place and time, their minds ruined by the unnatural passage? If the culprits are indeed the djinn or unseen beings who share the world with us, it's anyone's guess what the victims' ultimate fate might be.

So there you have it. Many suggestions but nothing concrete - just like the disappearances.

[Mike]

Not sure if this is the appropriate place for this, but it appears David Paulides son recently committed suicide. Wow, absolutley heartbreaking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/canammissing/status/1357381936780615684

[Tintin]

Not sure if this is the appropriate place for this, but it appears David Paulides son recently committed suicide. Wow, absolutley heartbreaking.

https://mobile.twitter.com/canammissing/status/1357381936780615684

Yes, very sadly. I did report that on one of the Paulides' threads already, about a month or so ago.

Nothing wrong with posting a reminder here Mike :flower:

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[Spellbound]

I had no idea of David's son's suicide...just read about it above just now. I'm so sorry to hear this.

[Spellbound]

I assume this has been posted up above. David Paulides completed his 2nd full length movie / documentary...titled Missing 411 - The Hunted....approx 18 months ago. I very much enjoyed it...and I feel it was done MUCH better than his 1st one. It includes an interview with Bruce and Jan MacCabee (Bruce is a famous american physicist) for which Jan had an encounter with a "predator" like being which was cloaked in invisibility and went from tree to tree as she was in a tree stand for deer hunting.

If anyone has not yet seen this documentary / movie...here are 2 different torrents for it:

https://pirateproxy.live/torrent/34363144/Missing.411.The.Hunted.2019.DOCU.WEBRip.x265-LeviD

https://pirateproxy.live/torrent/36115964/Missing.411.The.Hunted.2019.1080p.WEBRip.x264-

I highly recommend this to anyone who is interested in the topic.

Dave - Toronto

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[Matthew]

Bump this post. I humbly enjoyed it so much, I was thinking about it earlier


David Paulides is a former police officer who is now an investigator and writer known primarily for his self-published books, dedicated to proving the reality of Bigfoot and his Missing 411 series of books, in which he documents the disappearance of people in national parks and elsewhere. Paulides attributes mysterious, unspecified causes to these disappearances. They are well researched and a good read if you have not already read them. Obviously his investigative
background brings new talents to the field.

I don't know the accurate numbers of people worldwide that go missing each year, from causes that can’t be attributed to runaways in many cases, but it is a very high figure, and one that the powers that be seem to want to report as being low. So rather than looking into it, they seem to find no problem with it. Until it is one of their own family, I imagine.

Anyway, I had some background research in this area from an author named Scott Corrales, which offers a most interesting "alternative" to the UFO phenomenon which I think is very original. I was planning on expanding it into a short book but I really do not have the time to do so, and therefore I am sharing it with you kind folks today. This is directly in line with the thinking of John Keel and Jacque Vallee, both of whom I suspect of working for the intelligence agencies, based upon their later writings, but it's a view that should be considered, if only to discount it if necessary.

Mysterious Disappearances reported worldwide:

The Roman author Julius Obsequens, worthy perhaps of the distinction of being the earliest "Fortean" researcher, approached the subject of unexplained disappearances in his Liber Prodigiorum with a story that was well-known to his audience: "One day, when Romulus, founder of Rome, exhorted his troops in the vicinity of the Caprean Swamp, there erupted a sudden, noisy thunderstorm during which Romulus was enveloped in a cloud so dense that he was lost out of sight, and was never again seen by mortal men. He was then ascended to divine rank, and worshipped under the name Quirinus".

People still disappear, perhaps not as spectacularly as Romulus did (nor are they elevated to godhead), but that they do so is an undisputed fact. It is necessary to separate what could best be described as commonplace disappearances--the ones involving people on the run from the law, deadbeat parents, parents who abduct their children to live in obscurity elsewhere, and a host of other mundane reasons--from the cases which boggle the mind and defy common sense: cases where people vanish without a trace from airplanes travelling at thirty thousand feet, or disappear from rooms that have been locked from the outside.

Perhaps even more than UFOs, the enigma of sudden disappearance has challenged investigators for a hundred years, and an ominous silence stifles the small, silent question at the end of every case, often all-too-horrible to enunciate: where did these people disappear to?

The ability to "take a powder" in antiquity was considered the exclusive province of sorcerers and witches. The notorious Apollonius of Tyana disappeared from the sight of the Emperor Domitian and his court, as tradition would have it, causing great consternation.

Mexican author Artemio del Valle Arizpe gave us the legend of "La Mulata de C¢rdoba", a witch from colonial times who was imprisoned for her uncanny ability to find lost items and hidden treasures: when her jailor stopped by her cell to check on her, he was astounded to see the woman boarding a tiny sailing ship she had drawn on the wall, and sailed off, waving at her captor. The vampires of Eastern Europe were reputedly able to vanish and reappear at will thanks to the evil powers at their disposal.

Even if the aforementioned were true, it would not begin to solve our dilemma: contemporary cases involving mysterious disappearances do not, as a rule, involve people who want to vanish from the sight of their peers for one reason or another. Their disappearance is often sudden and unexpected, taking place by day or by night, alone or escorted, and sometimes involving the evaporation of the vehicle in which they travelled.

In 1941, a Swiss rescue team was called upon to search for a group of mountain climbers that had not returned to their base camp. After a number of days, the rescuers managed to find the footprints of the mountaineering party, which stopped abruptly in the middle of a glacier. In this case, the authorities determined "it was a disappearance under circumstances which could not be clearly determined, on account of the facts".

The Florida state police would be next in line for bemusement, this time resulting from the 1952 disappearance of Tom Brook, his wife, and his 11 year-old son. According to the report, the Brooks had visited a friend some 30 miles away from Miami, and got into their car to return home at 11:40 p.m.. They never completed the trip: local law enforcement found their empty car, headlights ablaze and doors open, just 7 miles away from their friend's house. Mrs. Brooke's handbag was found in the back seat, containing a considerable amount of money. Police records indicate that the family's footprints led to a meadow at the edge of the road, stopping abruptly after a few dozen steps, as in the case involving the missing Swiss mountaineers eleven years earlier. A similar fate befell a French family in 1972: after spending an evening with some friends, and heading back to their home in the early hours of the morning, they never reached their destination, a scant 2 miles away. No satisfactory explanation was ever provided.

It is difficult enough to find conjectures to account for the fates of these hapless individuals. The task becomes overwhelming when the disappearance of hundreds, even thousands, must be accounted for.

During the War of the Spanish Succession in 1707, a four thousand-man invasion force under the Habsburg Archduke, Charles, camped at the foot of the Pyrenees on their way to Spain, breaking camp the following morning and marching through a mountain pass. This well-armed and equipped force never reached its goal, nor was it ever accounted for. During the French invasion of Indochina in the mid 19th century, a column of 650 fusiliers marched toward Saigon, disappearing without having ever engaged the enemy. The possibility that the fusiliers had been ambushed by Vietnamese forces was discounted, since another group followed close behind and did not hear the sounds of an armed encounter, nor did it find any scattered arms, gear, or bodies.

The preceding case histories are well-known to fortean and paranormal researchers. They are the "classic" cases which serve as an introduction to the more recent cases, which remain equally unexplained--a reminder to the determined investigator that others have covered the path before and have been unable to come up with answers. The more recent cases that follow are no less intriguing.

When the Dutch sensitive Gerard Croiset was employed by the Puerto Rican police in the mid-1970's to find two children belonging to a local millionaire, he concluded, chillingly, that the children were nowhere to be found on this physical plane. Unwilling to be blinded by what they perceived as mysticism, the police thanked Croiset and resumed their investigations with conventional means: the children remain missing to this very day.

Jose Maria Carnero, a 26 year old medical student, vanished off the face of the earth in April 1987 while on maneuvers with the military unit to which he belonged on the Montelareina Military Base in Zamora, Spain. Reports indicate that Jose Maria wandered away from his squad in the midst of a light rainfall, while the other soldiers tried to find shelter under the trees. The young man was never seen again, even after a massive search by the Spanish army, which to this day lists him as a deserter.

Author Salvador Freixedo, who looked into the subject of these bizarre disappearances as part of his book La Granja Humana, cites the curious case of a vehicular accident in Burgos, Spain which caused the deaths of a number of people and the disappearance of a 10 year-old from one of the trucks involved in the accident. He was not found among the victims of the crash, and has never been seen again. The police initially believed that the boy had wandered away from the crash scene in an amnesic state, and a thorough search of the area was mounted by both civilians and police officials, yet nothing was turned up. In order to bring the case to a close, the authorities suggested that the boy had been disintegrated, in fact, by a cargo of sulfuric acid being hauled by the tanker truck in which he was a passenger.

Some of the cases read like science-fiction in their thriller-like quality (bear in mind that science fiction author Isaac Asimov used a mysterious disappearance to transport one of his protagonists to the future in A Pebble in the Sky) and detail. In 1950, a New York City paper allegedly carried a four-line news item relating the death of a pedestrian hit by a car near Times Square. The car had apparently been unable to stop and a crowd of onlookers ran to offer assistance to the unfortunate victim, one Rudolf Fenz, who was pronounced dead. There were details to the sad but uneventful story which were impossible to overlook: the late Rudolf Fenz was wearing decidedly vintage clothing--a frock coat, narrow trousers, buckle shoes and a matching hat. His pockets contained several calling cards to his name, an invoice regarding the lodging and upkeep of a horse and carriage, and a letter postmarked 1876. A search of the New York phone book revealed the number of a Rudolf Fenz, Jr., who had passed away some years earlier. Nonetheless, his widow was able to tell investigator Hubert V. Rihn of the Missing Persons division that her late husband's father had disappeared mysteriously in 1876 while on a trip to the local tobacconist, and never returned home. Rihn allegedly looked through records for that year and found that one Rudolf Fenz, age 29, had disappeared on the same night, last seen wearing a black frock coat, narrow trousers, and buckle shoes.

Certain locations on the planet have acquired the reputation as places where human disappearances are quite common. Some of them, like the Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's Triangle of Japan, have formed part of "pop" paranormal study for decades. Nonetheless, mountains play a greater role as locales for mysterious disappearances than any other site. In ancient tradition, travelers straying too close to Greece's Mt. Parnassus or Mt. Olympus would often be lost for good. Puerto Rico's El Yunque, New Hampshire's Mt. Glastenbury, and Eastern Zimbabwe's Mt. Inyangani never quite managed to acquire the name recognition of the better-known ones, despite the vast number of unexplained cases which have occurred in and around them.

Mist-shrouded El Yunque has always been a source of mystery involving paranormal phenomena and more recently, UFOs. Dozens of individuals, largely weekenders and campers, have disappeared inexplicably from this mountain rainforest. A child disappeared while walking down a trail with its parents, and even rescue teams sent to investigate have been swallowed by this deceptive wilderness area. Forestry officials are quick to blame quicksand and unexplored sinkholes as the reasons for these evaporations, even when they occurred in areas far from where any of the aforementioned conditions would be encountered.

The disappearances at Mt. Glastenbury managed to cause a sensation in peaceful rural Vermont. During a five year span running from the mid-1940's to the early '50s, seven individuals vanished from this peak near Bennington, Vermont. Unlike El Yunque, this location had no prior history of being one from which people could fade into thin air. A number of theories--ranging from black magic activity to UFO abductions--have been shuffled around to explain the disappearances. Mt. Glastenbury's first victim, curiously enough, was a mountain guide who took hunters on treks through the wilderness. This guide, plus four hunters, was never seen again. Another victim was lost under even weirder conditions: he boarded a bus in Saint Albans, Vermont, took a seat, was noticed by the driver and other passengers...but was never seen getting out of the bus, which was a non-stop service to Bennington.

Zimbabwe's Mount Inyangani is perhaps the most interesting of the mountain sites known for their ability to make people vanish, precisely because in some instances, those missing have turned up with peculiar stories to tell. UFO investigator Cynthia Hind, in an article for FATE Magazine, discusses the experience which befell a present deputy minister in the Zimbabwean government, who was once lost on Mount Inyangani with two companions. According to the deputy minister, the three men walked aimlessly in a state of confusion, feeling neither thirst nor hunger, all the while seeing and waving frantically at the elements of the rescue team, who could not see them at all. Apparently, certain blood sacrifices were offered to the tutelary deities of the mountain, which enabled the three men to "reenter" our normal space-time continuum. Hind's article goes on to say that in the early 80's, a district assistant for the locality which includes Mount Inyangani was himself involved in the rescue operation undertaken to localize a missing government official. The elders of the Tangwena tribe were informed of the official's plight, and a ritual aimed at securing his "return" was performed. The missing official was found the next day, none worse for the experience, but unable to remember what he had done during the two days he was missing. Others have been less fortunate, and their disappearances have never been solved. The efficacy of ritual magic in these cases indicates that there is an intelligence of sorts that can be persuaded, upon occasion, to give up those it has taken, or have heedlessly wandered into its domain. Did the ancient Tainos of Puerto Rico have spells to ransom their lost kin from El Yunque's misty depths? We shall never know.

Humans have always had a healthy respect for certain bodies of water, mainly freshwater lakes with a reputation for evil. Some of these include the Scottish and Irish lakes investigated by the late F.W. Holiday and lakes and lagoons elsewhere in the world which allegedly harbor monsters or exotic life-forms. Still other lakes are notorious for the matter which occupies us here: mysterious human disappearances.

British mystery researcher H.P. Wilkins looked into the traditions associated with the "hot" lakes of Iceland's northeastern corner, the unoccupied land known by the ominous moniker of Od dharhraun. This vast wasteland harbors the Askja volcano, a gargantuan crater thirteen miles across, surrounded by a lunar landscape of lava fields and black ash.

Into this nightmarish corner of the world--suggestive of Tolkien's Mordor--entered a group of young German geologists conducting a survey of Iceland's astonishing volcanic activity. They arrived in 1905 at the fishing village of Husavik and hired a guide to lead them to the Od dharhraun, hitherto shunned by all Icelanders as a supernatural, malevolent place. Against their guide's warnings, the Germans made camp in the forsaken region and two of them boarded a dinghy to reach the center of the volcanic lake. When their companion, who had remained ashore, turned to check on his fellows' progress, he was stunned to realize that they were no longer there--the scientists and their boat had disappeared. The authorities later mounted a rescue effort and the hot lake was dragged, but the scientists had vanished for good. Wilkins adds to this story that any investigator spending some time in Iceland's lonely interior can easily collect a number of stories regarding bizarre disappearances.

These disappearance-inducing lakes are not safely tucked away in remote regions of foreign countries, either. George Andrews, author of Extraterrestrial Friends and Foes, includes the disturbing supernatural activity surrounding Lake Whitney in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area. Quoting an article from the Fort Worth Star Telegram which appeared in 1976, Andrews introduces us to a body of water into which people and vehicles have disappeared in the most unusual manner possible. Almost a dozen cars have driven off the road into the water since the 1950's, and planes have inexplicably plunged into the depths. Scuba divers have disappeared as well, even though Whitney is a contained lake lacking an undertow. UFOs have also been reported in the vicinity. The official verdict regarding the mysterious disappearances, in most cases, is "negligence leading to drowning."

The Lake Whitney incidents enable the transition from a passive reason for disappearances to an active one which has received the most attention over the past several decades: UFOs. It is undeniable that there exists a strong link between heavy UFO activity and mysterious disappearances. Researcher Phil Imbrogno points out the sharp increase in missing children reports shortly after the outbreak of saucer activity over the Hudson Valley in the late 1980's--nearly three thousand children disappeared from Westchester County, NY alone. Law enforcement officials were dumbfounded both at the number of missing children and by the fact that they never turned up at halfway homes or red-light districts.

Patrice Gaston, whose “Disparitions Mysterieuses” remains the textbook on the phenomenon of human disappearances, notes that in the wake of the still-unexplained blackouts that plunged New York City and the Northeast into darkness in 1965, amid heavy UFO activity, 4 million persons were reported as missing by the Tracers Company in the United States alone: an increase by two million to the average yearly figure of people who are listed as missing. Add to this figure the number of unexplained disappearances following the subsequent mystery blackouts that engulfed the planet (from Argentina to the Far East), and it reminds one of Charles Fort's statement, "I believe we are fished for."

However, we must refrain from succumbing to the temptation of placing the blame squarely on UFOs -- most disappearances, like the ones pointed out earlier, take place independently of UFO flaps. The flying saucer and the intelligence behind it is merely another symptom rather than the cause.

The truly difficult questions regarding the mysterious disappearance of human beings throughout the ages are: (a) what caused their disappearance? and (b) what became of them? Several theories have been put forward to answer both distressing questions.

The British scholar F.W.H. Myers believed that in order to fall through the cracks that lead out of our reality into another, wholly unimagined one, the victim must have a hidden "talent" which he termed psychorragic diathesis. This mental condition or ability causes a disruption of the fabric of mind, energy, and matter, sending the hapless victim through the crack in reality. According to Myers, this ability would cause an unintentional, abrupt, and undesired passage from our three dimensional world into a fourth dimensional one, or allow the passage of strange creatures from their own dimension into this one. If Myers was at all on the right track, then one can also suppose that there may be those who have mastered this skill and use it to "teleport" themselves between worlds or planes of existence. The mystery felines, hairy monsters, and chimerical creatures which compose the backbone of Fortean research may have an instinctual predisposition for teleportation, thus shuttling between our reality and their own at will. Authors D. Scott Rogo and Jerome Clark suggested that among the physical characteristics of many bizarre creatures reported, most feature luminous eyes, suggesting that their "home dimension" may be one of darkness.

Argentinian parapsychologist Juan Jacobo Bajarl¡a offers a different explanation: parapsychology admits the existence of a phenomenon known as hyloclasty--the penetration of matter by matter itself. This phenomenon explains how a solid object can traverse a wall through another dimension without leaving a physical trace. While teleportation would perforce be a side-effect of hyloclasty, Dr. Bajarl¡a warns us that the paranormal effects would only come about in a trance state. The individual must enter the state he denominates paragnosia (the state of paranormal awareness), which overrides the five senses, along with reason and free will. The energy produced by the individual experiencing this condition, usually as a result of fear, can be so intense that it causes the victim to either levitate or be thrust into another dimension, or stranding him/her in an "unfindable" place. A more complete treatment on this interesting hypothesis appears in Dr. Antonio Las Heras' Respuestas al Tri ngulo de las Bermudas (Solutions to the Bermuda Triangle).

Both Gordon Creighton, editor of the prestigious Flying Saucer Review, and Spanish ufologist Salvador Freixedo have expressed a belief that the elemental beings known to the Islamic world as djinn, jinas, or genies are responsible for a measure of these enigmatic disappearances. These Arabic elementals find their counterparts in the European fairies and Native American spirits and dwarves. The djinn take a great delight in meddling in human affairs, and are able to do so because they are invisible to our eyes. They have the ability to appear in our world under any guise of their choice, and they take great pleasure in abducting humans.

Fourth and last, we return to UFOs as a cause of disappearances. In a mind-bending case that allegedly occurred in Cajamarca, Peru (no date given), a woman named Isabel Tuct was kidnapped in the wink of an eye by a brilliant UFO that suddenly descended from above while she was hanging the laundry out to dry. Several neighbors allegedly witnessed this event, and the case remains unsolved.

The testimony of the Zimbabwean officials who disappeared in Mt. Inyangani remains our only means of answering the second question, what becomes of those who vanish under these circumstances. They wandered aimlessly, able to see the rescue teams, but unable to communicate with them. While they didn't experience any hunger or tiredness at the time, it is hardly likely that they could have gone on indefinitely. On a more sobering note, it is interesting to know that the skeletons of some of the victims of Vermont's Mt. Glastenbury turned up many, many years later. Did the act of dying expel the physical body back into our reality?

Perhaps falling through a time/space/reality warp has devastating consequences for the victim, jumbling their senses and causing irreparable damage. Charles Fort mentions the sudden appearance of apparently amnesic "wild men" in England during the winter of 1904-1905. They were naked and spoke no language known to the available police experts. Could these have been the victims of mysterious disappearances, "spat" out at random in another place and time, their minds ruined by the unnatural passage? If the culprits are indeed the djinn or unseen beings who share the world with us, it's anyone's guess what the victims' ultimate fate might be.

So there you have it. Many suggestions but nothing concrete - just like the disappearances.

[Jim_Duyer]

Thanks for the bump! When I published Extraterrestrial Message I included the story of an abductee, who mentioned that she was told directly that the US Govt was forcing the aliens to police the animal remains inside of National Parks - apparently their "agreement" did not stretch to cleanup details. It's bizarre but interesting to think that perhaps humans were included in this category of "animals".

Sorry I haven't been on in a bit - I am furiously working on getting out another book that I have complete but needs editing, called "The Bible Says the Earth is Round, and Gives its Accurate Measurement", which is
a true story by the way. Good luck to you in your journey of discovery.

[Matthew]

All the best with the book! If you will excuse the deadpan-pun I believe all flat-earthers will eventually need to do a u-turn

[Constance]

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[Mike]

This is dynamite!

This video Contains a Short Introduction to the:
Gerrish Family Mystery
Mental Health in America
Border Issues

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Missing 411- David Paulides Presents the Gerrish Family Mystery and Missing 411 NEWS



BUMP!

I just saw a yahoo article on this and was going to post it but Constance has beat me to it. This story is very, very bizarre..like even more bizarre than many of the others Paulides tells.

[Delight]

The Predator and Missing 411 Cases
June 30, 2021

Join Phoenix Aurelius as he chats with author and researcher Michelle DeVrieze about the bizarre phenomena of missing 411 cases (when people go mysteriously missing in the wilderness/national parks) and the Predator archetype. This fascinating discussion covers what Michelle believes to be happening behind the scenes of the missing 411 cases and how humans are not at the top of the food chain. Her goal is to help educate and spread awareness about this Predator so that humans can make smart choices in order to avoid the "hot spots" of missing 411 cases.


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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Recently discovered this guy's channel. Most of his content is crime stories, but he delves into mysteries and the unknown from time to time. Here is the first in his series on strange disappearances. He's an excellent story-teller, doesn't use jump scares or gimmicks. Well worth following.

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(Missing 411 playlist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cSpBqXj_X8&list=PLgRgJrlop--MdpDaZRjYqkHzZ-j6S-QCl&index=1)

[Bill Ryan]

An update here, but nothing to do with Missing 411. Dave Paulides, always articulate, aware, and of the highest integrity, is now posting what he calls Factual News video reports on his YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/canammissingproject/videos).

Highly recommended. He covers every topic that readers here care about and are interested in, such as the Canadian truckers, Chinese influence on American politics, freedom of expression, the lockdowns, Biden's cognitive decline, and more.

He alternates them every few days with his regular missing persons reports. His most recent, published yesterday, is here. :muscle:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0B6Pkbckqo

[Inversion]

An update here, but nothing to do with Missing 411. Dave Paulides, always articulate, aware, and of the highest integrity, is now posting what he calls Factual News video reports on his YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/c/canammissingproject/videos).

Highly recommended. He covers every topic that readers here care about and are interested in, such as the Canadian truckers, Chinese influence on American politics, freedom of expression, the lockdowns, Biden's cognitive decline, and more.

He alternates them every few days with his regular missing persons reports. His most recent, published yesterday, is here. :muscle:

At 12:05 he said, "It's like I'm in a Twilight Zone." in regards to what he sees going on. I can totally relate to that. He cleared this throat several times and that reminded me of a James Rink interview. According to him there's a technology that can remotely induce that, like a dryness in the throat. I believe Kerry Cassidy has also witnessed that.

[Bill Ryan]

I sent this email to Dave Paulides today:

~~~
A very simple question that's never been asked

Dave, Hi there: kudos and immense respect for everything you do.

Here's an idea about TIME, and how it may relate to disappearances.

Say we have two people who went missing in Yosemite. I've just taken these two names at random from your files (RIP).


David Morrison, 28 Years, missing May 25, 1998.
Richard Judd, 72 Years, missing July 25, 2021.

In our world, those events happened 23 years apart.

But assuming a hypothesis of some kind of interdimensional abduction — in which the predator is operating in a different dimension but can somehow access ours — maybe IN THAT PREDATOR'S EXPERIENCE the second event occurred just a few hours after the first one, on the same "hunting expedition".

My sincere best wishes to you ~ Bill

[boja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiTj9ZQNMYM

Released Today, Excellent (In My Opinion).
I bought it $19.99 - Worth It.
I would recommend people to buy it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjVrcpPT1kY

[Inversion]

Released Today, Excellent (In My Opinion).
I bought it $19.99 - Worth It.
I would recommend people to buy it.

David was on Coast-to-Coast AM last night and I listened to part of the show. In one abduction case a hunter was taken from the woods, and they took him to some location possibly in our solar system. They told him he's not what they need because he had a vasectomy, and he was returned. Upon a medical exam he found out his tuberculosis scars were healed. Noory asked if Bigfoot is an alien and David clammed up. He said all the missing physicists are German. IMO that points to Nacht Waffen Regir/Dark Fleet.

For years David has steered away from the alien/UFO component. His law enforcement background and analytical mind may be responsible for that, plus it would be a credibility issue. Some group must have profiled him. I don't recall if he started with Bigfoot research or the missing persons cases. I recently ordered his book Missing 411: The Devil's in the Detail. I find it odd that Detail isn't plural. My interest is the missing people around areas named Satan or Devil. I found out from Logan Piette that Satan is Pi (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?119255-Brought-To-You-By-Pfizer--Owning-US-American-News-Networks--&p=1512253&viewfull=1#post1512253) in Chaldean gematria.

C2C (https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2022-12-12-show/)

Investigator David Paulides has focused his attention on compelling evidence that there is an unusual set of circumstances for many of the missing individuals that vanish in the wilderness. In the first half, he discussed his newest documentary (view trailer), demonstrating a link between UFOs and missing people. One connection involves the mysterious abduction and mutilation of animals. A witness from Washington state told him that he and a group of workers saw a UFO hover over an elk in a valley and then aerially lift it away. This was in an area where many animals suffer from chronic wasting disease (CWD). Subsequently, Paulides met with a group of Idaho hunters camping deep in the woods, in another area inundated by CWD. One of them saw a giant UFO hovering above the trees, and it turned out "that the location where this happened was just nine miles east from a case we covered in our first movie, the disappearance of DeOrr Kunz," he said. Further, just 14 miles north, another hunter mysteriously vanished 53 years earlier.

Pi=3.1415 or Satan
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[Paul D.]

Disclaimer. Firstly, I only know the basics of the 411 story . Secondly ,I don't know if these maps are correct or relevant & lastly I don't know if it has been covered before in this thread, as it's a extremely long one .
That said , I'd like to share this very interesting Tweet I saw today . :bowing:

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[DNA]

Disclaimer. Firstly, I only know the basics of the 411 story . Secondly ,I don't know if these maps are correct or relevant & lastly I don't know if it has been covered before in this thread, as it's a extremely long one .
That said , I'd like to share this very interesting Tweet I saw today . :bowing:

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I like this a lot.
It leads one into a Richard Schaver mystery kind of mindset.
Are the Deros abducting people top side like Richard Schaver stated all those years ago back in the 1950s?
Could be.

[Delight]

Disclaimer. Firstly, I only know the basics of the 411 story . Secondly ,I don't know if these maps are correct or relevant & lastly I don't know if it has been covered before in this thread, as it's a extremely long one .
That said , I'd like to share this very interesting Tweet I saw today . :bowing:

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I like this a lot.
It leads one into a Richard Schaver mystery kind of mindset.
Are the Deros abducting people top side like Richard Schaver stated all those years ago back in the 1950s?
Could be.

In case anyone else was unfamiliar with Schaver, here is a pdf describing his work: “Reality – Is it a Horror?”:
Richard Shaver's Subterranean World and
the Displaced Self
Gabriel Mckee (https://archive.nyu.edu/bitstream/2451/63884/2/Mckee-%20Shaver.pdf)

[boja]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCgTo_ln488

Story starts about 10 mins in.
It's about PAT MCGUIRE.
It's heartbreaking & DAVE is on Fire (Rightly so, in my opinion).

[DNA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCgTo_ln488

Story starts about 10 mins in.
It's about PAT MCGUIRE.
It's heartbreaking & DAVE is on Fire (Rightly so, in my opinion).
It's sad.
The video is a statement on how abductees and experiences are mocked, rediculed and ostracized.
Paulides states how he himself has had this happen with his own family.

My personal advice for abductees is to practice detachment.
Don't share with those who cannot or will not understand.
Detach from the incident.
Don't seek validation from those who will not give it.

[ExomatrixTV]

.
One of the very weirdest cases (and there are MANY. MANY weird cases) is that of the 1978 disappearance of Steven Kubacki. The documented facts:



Summary: Steven Kubacki vanished for 15 months, presumed dead... then woke up in a field, hundreds of miles away, wearing different clothes.



In February 1978, Steven, a student at the time who was learning German, went missing in the Michigan area, USA — an area known as the "Great Lakes Triangle," which is written about in a book of the same name by Jay Gourley (http://www.amazon.com/The-Great-Lakes-Triangle-Gourley/dp/0449138275) that documents the disappearances of many ships, boats, and aircraft. (Paulides has stated this is an excellent book.)



Steven said he was going to go skiing. He failed to return. His skis and poles were found on the beach of Lake Michigan, with his footprints on the ice leading into the lake, one-way. The footprints abruptly stopped, and it was assumed he'd fallen through the ice (the ice having re-frozen) and drowned. His backpack was later found in the same general area.



On 5 May 1979, 15 months later, Steven walked up to his father's door and said he didn't remember much. He had woken up in Pittsfield, 40 miles from his father's house, lying in a meadow wearing clothes that weren't his. He had a small satchel beside him with maps that weren't his, either. Where he woke up was 700 miles from Lake Michigan.



Steven stated said he didn't need to talk with anyone about his highly strange experience, because he didn't have any psychological problems. After 1983, Steven got a masters in linguistics, and a PhD in clinical psychology.



Paulides has tried to get in touch with him. Steven has not responded to his calls or emails.


Wow, many times over. :facepalm:

I wrote (http://www.canammissing.com/contact_us.html) to Dave Paulides just now:




About STEVEN KUBACKI:

Dave, kudos for your most important and meticulous work.

Maybe some UNOBVIOUS questions about Steven Kubacki:



Did it seem to his family and friends that he had aged at all?
Had he lost or gained any weight?
Was his hair much longer?
Had he grown any facial hair (beard, mustache) in the 15 months missing?
(If not, how had he shaved, and who had cut his hair??)


Separately, I would STRONGLY recommend getting in touch with Courtney Brown from the Farsight Institute [ http://farsight.org ] to initiate a scientific remote viewing session on some of these cases, or the entire inexplicable situation. He can be contacted here:
http://farsight.org/farsight/contact1.html

My very best wishes ~ Bill Ryan
(Co-founder: Project Camelot, Project Avalon)






Altered States: Unraveling The Enigma Of Steven Kubacki:

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ellenkilloran.substack.com/p/the-misappearance-of-steven-kubacki (https://ellenkilloran.substack.com/p/the-misappearance-of-steven-kubacki)



Did Steven Kubacki Time Travel Through a Portal? | Missing 411:

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ellenkilloran.substack.com/p/the-misappearance-of-steven-kubacki (https://ellenkilloran.substack.com/p/the-misappearance-of-steven-kubacki)



Steven Kubacki's First Interview In Almost 45 Years w/ Author Dylan Quarles:

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I'm so glad that Steven Kubacki (https://stevenkubacki.com/) and Dylan Quarles were willing to do this interview. We had a prior agreement to not discuss anything directly related to the disappearance but I still learned a lot of new facts and disproved others I thought were accurate.


ellenkilloran.substack.com/p/the-misappearance-of-steven-kubacki (https://ellenkilloran.substack.com/p/the-misappearance-of-steven-kubacki)

[Matthew]

David Paulides talks to Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett.

Here's an intro to the video from David himself, taken from the comments of the video on YouTube:




Welcome, friends and Villagers.

This is the most high-profile interview I have done, it is with sitting Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett. He is the one Congressman willing to support legislation that requires the department of Interior to be transparent about the people missing on their property. He has been extremely open, available, honest and transparent about helping us. He agreed to an interview on his farm with no questions that were off-limit. He is also the Congressman pushing for information on the UFO issue.

What Tim states here is VERY important. PLEASE_PLEASE share this interview on your social media.

Dave


Here are our last 3 videos.

Missing person cases from Pennsylvania & Indiana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCQn0LnmWP0

The disappearance of a young girl from the outback of Ontario, Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Xmdi4e9PI

A tribute to one of our researchers, Scott Carpenter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QKs5vvOd_E



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[Inversion]

David talks about the disappearance of Chet Hanson in Mount Rainier National Park and he recommended sharing this video. He guy liked to take nature photos and David said a lot of people who do that have vanished as if they took pictures of something sensitive. He told his parents we would be back for dinner and never showed up. The next day his work called saying he didn't come in. They launched a three-day search, and a normal length is 6-7 days. He shows a map at 13:18 & 27:47. A couple had seen him with his camera at Shiner Peak (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Shriner+Peak/@46.8156162,-121.5287457,4132m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x54973350e35c9a4d:0xbd7c7712ba6ef158!8m2!3d46.8137225!4d-121.5303668!16s%2Fg%2F11g2tqylr0?entry=ttu). They found someone's dog alone in the woods. The owner had driven his vehicle into a ravine, and he was extricated and rescued. It reminded me of the movie The Adjustment Bureau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adjustment_Bureau) and their activities. I recall hearing a story about two men and one had to leave/die and one of them volunteered saying, "I'll go."

canammissing (https://www.canammissing.com/page/page/8396197.htm)

04/17/24 (33:15)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDHskSjaMbM

[Inversion]

Daivd explains how Chicken Soup for the Soul (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Soup_for_the_Soul) hasn't been paying him royalties for his movies for months. Out of frustration he asked for them back and wrote-off what they owned him. Now, he can't put them on any platform until they remove it, which they won't do. It looks like it was engineered to financially ruin him. That makes him a Targeted Individual (TI) for the topics he discusses. He asked that people buy his products to support him. Chronic wasting disease (CWD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease)) has jumped from the deer population to humans.

canammissing (https://www.canammissing.com/page/page/8396197.htm)

04/20/24 (31:43)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdNyOhSwsmU

[norman]

https://t.me/FreedomDoc1/11022
FreedomDoc1/11022

[Eva2]

'More Bone Chilling Disappearance Cases | Missing 411 with David Paulides

29,006 views Premiered Aug 16, 2024
Join George Knapp, George Noory, and their guest David Paulides ‪@canammissingproject‬ as they delve into the baffling phenomenon of mysterious disappearances occurring all over the world. In this compelling series, David Paulides shares two chilling missing persons cases with strange features that defy explanation, explores the perplexing disappearance of a 20-year-old hiker, and reveals unsettling stories of missing people who turned up in totally unexpected and bewildering places. Tune in as we bring you more of David’s most captivating and requested interviews.'



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd8SuMzBk6U?si=1po1qy_a6JdPPK6S

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this important thread with this new post from Helvetic:
(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1653667&viewfull=1#post1653667)

David Paulides | Missing 411, UFOs, and Alien Abduction | Jan. 28, 2025

Source: Timothy Alberino youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@TimothyAlberino)

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Description:

Timothy Alberino and David Paulides from Missing 411 discuss the mysterious disappearances of people hunting, hiking, and camping in America's national parks and state forestry's and the potential connection to UFOs and alien abduction.



Edit to add:

Actually, now having listened to it all, I felt this was disappointing. I'm pretty sure Timothy Alberino (the host) talked a lot more than Paulides did. It felt like he might have taken up 60% of the video.

If anyone knows of recent interviews with Paulides in which he actually presents a great deal of his own work without interruption, please do share them!
:thumbsup:



(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1653667&viewfull=1#post1653667)

[DNA]

Bumping this important thread with this new post from Helvetic:
(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1653667&viewfull=1#post1653667)

David Paulides | Missing 411, UFOs, and Alien Abduction | Jan. 28, 2025

Source: Timothy Alberino youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@TimothyAlberino)

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Description:

Timothy Alberino and David Paulides from Missing 411 discuss the mysterious disappearances of people hunting, hiking, and camping in America's national parks and state forestry's and the potential connection to UFOs and alien abduction.



Edit to add:

Actually, now having listened to it all, I felt this was disappointing. I'm pretty sure Timothy Alberino (the host) talked a lot more than Paulides did. It felt like he might have taken up 60% of the video.

If anyone knows of recent interviews with Paulides in which he actually presents a great deal of his own work without interruption, please do share them!
:thumbsup:



(https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1383-The-Continuing-Search-For-The-Truth&p=1653667&viewfull=1#post1653667)

Alberino is great on his own if you can handle his need for you to be impressed with his intelligence. It is what it is and we all have our hang ups.

You know Bill...
The Jonathan Reed encounter took place in Mt. Ranier national park in Washington state.
Many similarities with the missing 411 cases in my humble opinion.
And I do believe there was a moment where said you needed to do your do deligience with the Dr. Jonathan Reed story...

My suggestion would be to start with the 1998 Art Bell interview. Just a suggestion. :)

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[Bill Ryan]

If anyone knows of recent interviews with Paulides in which he actually presents a great deal of his own work without interruption, please do share them.

Here's Dave Paulides with George Noory, published a couple of weeks ago. It's fascinating, disturbing, and an excellent interview.

David Paulides – MISSING 411: Why are Highly Intelligent People Vanishing?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-dF_fJwoHw

[grapevine]

Yes, the interview content was disturbing although raised more questions:

The link with intelligence was a red herring: While there may be a high level of missing physicists, the more interesting question is why such a large number of physicists are going to the parks?

There was a missed opportunity when Paulides said that he often spoke with Native Americans which wasn't followed up by George N as their opinion might have been key.

Although the conclusion about an interdimensional portal was interesting, it didn't explain the neatly folded clean clothes and shoes.

The most disturbing element of all was that the authorities seem to be complicit by withholding information about missing people in the parks, yet not issuing warnings on entry.

I have two of David Paullides' 411 books which give details about the cases of missing people but they're all inconclusive and still missing.

[norman]

The most disturbing element of all was that the authorities seem to be complicit by withholding information about missing people in the parks, yet not issuing warnings on entry.



Ditto.

Just as I concluded many years ago that in the sea of who-dun-it bar room conversations about who killed Kennedy, there were several groups and individuals with known motives, the real scent to put the dogs on is "Who has the power to cover it up for so long and what is their understanding of it?"

In this case we may have entered the beginning of an era when that investigation can get going. For the immediate future there are other more pressing agencies to break open and spill their secrets.

If it's truly as sinister as it looks, I don't expect the trail to end at the offices of government career administrators, same may apply in the agencies currently getting all the attention.

Paulides has done the job of proving there is a 'there' there. We can stick with that approach for ever or we can switch to finding out what is actually known about all this within the belly of the beast. Later, maybe, both lines of investigation experience can merge.

[Bill Ryan]

And another excellent interview, this time on Coast to Coast AM, uploaded to YouTube on 4 October 2024.

People who Reappeared after Vanishing with nNo Memories | David Paulides MISSING 411


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOWCaP4cn04

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this fascinating and important thread with a copy of part of this new post by Ravenlocke on the M 8.8 earthquake in Kamchatka thread. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?130121-Magnitude-8.8-earthquake-off-Russia--s-Kamchatka-Peninsula&p=1679219&viewfull=1#post1679219)

It seems to me that the high-strangeness disappearance incident reported in the short Paul Stonehill video below definitely belongs in the Missing 911 category. I've often thought that the Missing 911 events sometimes involve time travel of some kind, as they're surely interdimensional in nature.

~~~

One of the most interesting cases of the time-space continuum disruption in modern Russia. It took place on the base of the Russian Navy, so I present here the only available information. Military secrecy, and the remoteness of the Kamchatka Peninsula are obstacles to the full disclosure of the facts ...and yet, this is a most interesting case from the Russian Far East.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTIhBouAbsY

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this thread with a copy of a new post from norman (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37821-Missing-Children-Missing-People&p=1689598&viewfull=1#post1689598). This does seem to be Dave Paulides' Missing 411 territory. :worried:

~~~

The Missing YouTuber: an Unexplained Disappearance in Scotland
Missing Void - Oct 15, 2025

In the remote northern Highlands of Scotland, a seasoned bushcraft instructor and YouTuber named Finn Creaney set out on a solo hiking & camping trip and vanished without a trace. On the 25th of March, 2022, Finn, a survival expert, was dropped off near Loch Naver to begin a 30-mile trek across rugged terrain. He was never seen again. What followed was one of the largest search efforts to take place in the Highlands.

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Scotland’s STRANGE Camping Disappearances

Across Scotland’s sweeping glens, remote lochs, and rugged highlands, a number of campers and hikers have disappeared without a trace. While most who venture into these landscapes come and go without a problem, some do not. From the quiet waters near Bridge of Orchy to the wild Isle of Skye, and even back to the mining villages of old, each case leaves behind questions that have defied clear answers. These are the stories of ordinary people who stepped into Scotland’s wilderness and were never seen again, their disappearances marked by exhaustive searches, yet remain unexplained.

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