David Paulides' research: over 2000 inexplicable abductions in National Parks, wilderness, and urban areas

[Gerald Paris]

I did a few searches in this forum for any perspective on mr paulides and did not come across anything.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX3_IWM4uXg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuXdgkZ9gKw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Hn-BfS6Xw


http://www.canammissing.com/page/page/8396197.htm
(thank you larry)


Much Love

G

[seeker/reader]

So Gerald, what do you think is going on?

[Cardillac]

hey, Gerald, many thanks for posting this-

in my humble estimation I think Paulides' work/research has been grossly underestimated/unjustly ignored; this man is definitely hot-scenting something huge-

but just as an aside: for some strange reason I'm no longer able to access his website canammissing.com here in Germany (it's being blocked for some strange reason); is there anyone out there with more honed computer skills than I have (like probably most) to help me alleviate this problem?- if so, please inform- would be very appreciative-

please continue to stay well all-

Larry

[Gerald Paris]

To tell you my honest opinion as to what is going on, I have no clue. I know that there is def something to a lot of the disappearances that take place. It seems to be one of those things that we all know about but few of us are ready to admit how important the issue is until it happens to us or someone that we care about. mr paulides's perspective is just another piece of the overall puzzle. A perception I thought would be valuable to this forum.

Thanks for adding to the conversation.

Much Love

G

[DNA]

I did a few searches in this forum for any perspective on mr paulides and did not come across anything.

I have a thread from a while back.

Are National Parks A Cover For Alien Bases? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47280-Are-National-Parks-A-Cover-For-Underground-Alien-Bases)

[Gerald Paris]

Thank you!

I wonder why I was unable to find anything.

Again, thank you for adding to the conversation.

G

[Rex]

I read all the books, awesome stuff. A good percentage of the cases point to Sasquatch types at work, but Mr. Paulides is careful not to go too far with the speculation. He lets the cases speak for themselves. Many others are even more bizarre. Places named with Devil and Hell have many more incidents, which many native americans already seem to know to avoid. I shudder thinking about the time I went blackberry picking in Mt. Vernon, WA, with my two very young sons at the time.

One thing is for sure, the Parks department and FBI are holding back.

[DNA]

I read all the books, awesome stuff. A good percentage of the cases point to Sasquatch types at work, but Mr. Paulides is careful not to go too far with the speculation. He lets the cases speak for themselves. Many others are even more bizarre. Places named with Devil and Hell have many more incidents, which many native americans already seem to know to avoid. I shudder thinking about the time I went blackberry picking in Mt. Vernon, WA, with my two very young sons at the time.

One thing is for sure, the Parks department and FBI are holding back.

Annunaki Genetic Tinkering and Uncle Bruce's Bigfoot Encounter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65924-Anunnaki-Genetic-Tinkering-and-Uncle-Bruce-s-Bigfoot-Encounter)



Is anyone familiar with Ingo Swann's book Penetration? It's a pretty good read. If I could boil that book down to one brief statement it would be

That mankind, humankind as we know it is at a distinct disadvantage to those who have a form of telepathy, this telepathy is the ability to read the thoughts of another person and in conjunction with telepathy, Ingo states that those telepathy also have telepathy+ which is, that they can also insert thoughts and/or emotions into the minds of others as they see fit.

I'm of the opinion that all of mankind had this ability at one time, this telepathy+ but that it was bred out of us by those we mistook for as Gods.

I've been pondering the idea of what it would be like for a human being to experience freedom from the genetic prison we have been placed in.

I've read in enough places where upon I am unable to easily dismiss the idea that there have been several genetic modifications done to mankind since the initial creation of Homosapians via the Annunaki genetic adaptation of Neanderthals.

Here is the rub.
If it is true that we have been genetically altered some seven times with the subsequent populations rubbed out if you will, what do you think the reasons are for the modifications?

I don't think the modifications were upgrades in the sense that we were improved upon.
I think the upgrades had to do with limiting our awareness.
I think the upgrades were actually downgrades.
I think these downgrades made mankind less dangerous and more easy to control.


So this leads me to a question.
How could we bring the wolf back from the domsticated dog?
How can we see the true form of man, that dangerous creature that needed so many genetic manacals and chains?

What would this person see that we do not?

I have a seven degrees to Kevin Bacon sort of explanation.

It has to do with my Uncle Bruce and his big foot encounter.


My uncle Bruce, a salt of the earth, backwoods country type who enjoys hunting and putting lead shot in just about anything that moves has a big foot story that has always troubled him.
The animal itself didn't trouble him as much as his docile/demure reaction to the animal did.
What troubles Bruce is that he cannot explain why he was in his words "such a efing vagina about it", he didn't do what he knows he should have done, and even now to this day you will see him get lost in thought and troubled by his passivity which was so against his normal behavior, and that would have been to put a cap in bigfoot's ass.

Long story short, Bruce was standing at the water's edge of a small lake outside of Hannibal Missouri in 1980. His buddy was fifty foot into the water on a small row boat.
While Bruce was casting his line into the water comforted by the presence of his 357 magnum revolver, a large upright hairy man came crashing through the small trees and brush, the hairy man came to the waters edge no more than twenty feet away from Bruce and began drinking from the lake. The creature must have sensed Bruce's presense, he looked at Bruce and let out a blood curdling howl like scream while staring into the depths of my uncle's soul. Bruce stood there frozen, and as the animal bounded off back into the woods Bruce's fishing companion yelled from the boat, "Damn Bruce, I thought I was going to have to go back home and tell you're new wife that you had been eaten by a monster".

The reaction to all of this is what is pertinent to the story.
Bruce then continued to fish for the next three hours as if nothing had ever happened. And he and his buddy NEVER talked about it again.
Bruce to this day cannot figure out why he didn't, firstly pull out his gun in case the creature attacked, and secondly he can't figure out why he didn't follow the creatures trail afterwards, and thirdly why he just stood there like nothing ever happened.
The whole thing troubles Bruce to no end. And to a man who takes any type of confrontation very seriously and reacts with the utmost male bravado and violence, this was so out of character as far as his reaction to the event that day that it has troubled him ever since.


Now I have to correlate some Ingo Swann so I can get to Atlantis so bear with me.

Ingo Swann stated that he was under the impression from his days of inventing Remote Viewing and working for a secret branch of the intelligence agency that he had ran into what he termed non-human humans. The difference these non-human humans had from us, was that they had telepathy+. Telepathy meaning they could read your mind, the + meaning they could send a message into your mind and it would bypass your decision making process. The + meant that these folks could affect you and make you do or not do things against your will.

Most folks think these individuals Ingo ran into were aliens. I'm not so sure about that. Part of me thinks these individuals may be part of our ancient ancestors who have either hidden in underground bases for the millenias or they have off world capability, but probably both.

Now, here is the good part.

Have you ever wondered why Bigfoot has never been shot?
As many times as folks have seen bigfoot, no one can ever take a shot at the big fella. Folks always give some reason that indicates their humanity got involved because the being looked so human.
I do not think this is why.
Human beings, will essentially shoot at anything.
I think it is very telling that almost no one ever so much as lifts a finger to stop or molest a big foot in any way.


Melba Ketchum, who had claimed her sequencing of Sasquatch DNA samples revealed “a hybrid cross between modern Homo sapiens in the maternal lineage and an unknown hominin male progenitor.”
I find the above quote intriguing to no end. It basically agrees with what Edgar Cayce stated about bigfoot. That bigfoot was a genetic experiment from Atlantis, one of the many genetic crosses between man and animal. Mythology is rich with these hybrid examples.

And here is where I'm trying to get to.
The article states that bigfoot is only about 15,000 years old. (http://digitaljournal.com/article/337846)
So there you go.
Bigfoot has a form of telepathy+ because he is a hold over from ancient man.
In many ways Bigfoot may be less devolved than modern humans.
Bigfoot has more of those genetics from ancient man in the form of telepathy+ than we do because he never had it bred out of him.
This is why bigfoot never gets shot, because he can mentally subdue those wishing to do him harm.
This in turn is a hint to me of what our capability must have been.
What our capabilities must be.

[WhiteFeather]

I firmly believe it has much to do with the ET component. I listened to many of his videos prior. Interesting speaker with amazing knowlege in his research. I personally have come to this conclusion its ET related. I dont think im wrong.

[seeker/reader]

I read all the books, awesome stuff. A good percentage of the cases point to Sasquatch types at work, but Mr. Paulides is careful not to go too far with the speculation. He lets the cases speak for themselves. Many others are even more bizarre. Places named with Devil and Hell have many more incidents, which many native americans already seem to know to avoid. I shudder thinking about the time I went blackberry picking in Mt. Vernon, WA, with my two very young sons at the time.

One thing is for sure, the Parks department and FBI are holding back.

Annunaki Genetic Tinkering and Uncle Bruce's Bigfoot Encounter (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?65924-Anunnaki-Genetic-Tinkering-and-Uncle-Bruce-s-Bigfoot-Encounter)



Is anyone familiar with Ingo Swann's book Penetration? It's a pretty good read. If I could boil that book down to one brief statement it would be

That mankind, humankind as we know it is at a distinct disadvantage to those who have a form of telepathy, this telepathy is the ability to read the thoughts of another person and in conjunction with telepathy, Ingo states that those telepathy also have telepathy+ which is, that they can also insert thoughts and/or emotions into the minds of others as they see fit.

I'm of the opinion that all of mankind had this ability at one time, this telepathy+ but that it was bred out of us by those we mistook for as Gods.

I've been pondering the idea of what it would be like for a human being to experience freedom from the genetic prison we have been placed in.

I've read in enough places where upon I am unable to easily dismiss the idea that there have been several genetic modifications done to mankind since the initial creation of Homosapians via the Annunaki genetic adaptation of Neanderthals.

Here is the rub.
If it is true that we have been genetically altered some seven times with the subsequent populations rubbed out if you will, what do you think the reasons are for the modifications?

I don't think the modifications were upgrades in the sense that we were improved upon.
I think the upgrades had to do with limiting our awareness.
I think the upgrades were actually downgrades.
I think these downgrades made mankind less dangerous and more easy to control.


So this leads me to a question.
How could we bring the wolf back from the domsticated dog?
How can we see the true form of man, that dangerous creature that needed so many genetic manacals and chains?

What would this person see that we do not?

I have a seven degrees to Kevin Bacon sort of explanation.

It has to do with my Uncle Bruce and his big foot encounter.


My uncle Bruce, a salt of the earth, backwoods country type who enjoys hunting and putting lead shot in just about anything that moves has a big foot story that has always troubled him.
The animal itself didn't trouble him as much as his docile/demure reaction to the animal did.
What troubles Bruce is that he cannot explain why he was in his words "such a efing vagina about it", he didn't do what he knows he should have done, and even now to this day you will see him get lost in thought and troubled by his passivity which was so against his normal behavior, and that would have been to put a cap in bigfoot's ass.

Long story short, Bruce was standing at the water's edge of a small lake outside of Hannibal Missouri in 1980. His buddy was fifty foot into the water on a small row boat.
While Bruce was casting his line into the water comforted by the presence of his 357 magnum revolver, a large upright hairy man came crashing through the small trees and brush, the hairy man came to the waters edge no more than twenty feet away from Bruce and began drinking from the lake. The creature must have sensed Bruce's presense, he looked at Bruce and let out a blood curdling howl like scream while staring into the depths of my uncle's soul. Bruce stood there frozen, and as the animal bounded off back into the woods Bruce's fishing companion yelled from the boat, "Damn Bruce, I thought I was going to have to go back home and tell you're new wife that you had been eaten by a monster".

The reaction to all of this is what is pertinent to the story.
Bruce then continued to fish for the next three hours as if nothing had ever happened. And he and his buddy NEVER talked about it again.
Bruce to this day cannot figure out why he didn't, firstly pull out his gun in case the creature attacked, and secondly he can't figure out why he didn't follow the creatures trail afterwards, and thirdly why he just stood there like nothing ever happened.
The whole thing troubles Bruce to no end. And to a man who takes any type of confrontation very seriously and reacts with the utmost male bravado and violence, this was so out of character as far as his reaction to the event that day that it has troubled him ever since.


Now I have to correlate some Ingo Swann so I can get to Atlantis so bear with me.

Ingo Swann stated that he was under the impression from his days of inventing Remote Viewing and working for a secret branch of the intelligence agency that he had ran into what he termed non-human humans. The difference these non-human humans had from us, was that they had telepathy+. Telepathy meaning they could read your mind, the + meaning they could send a message into your mind and it would bypass your decision making process. The + meant that these folks could affect you and make you do or not do things against your will.

Most folks think these individuals Ingo ran into were aliens. I'm not so sure about that. Part of me thinks these individuals may be part of our ancient ancestors who have either hidden in underground bases for the millenias or they have off world capability, but probably both.

Now, here is the good part.

Have you ever wondered why Bigfoot has never been shot?
As many times as folks have seen bigfoot, no one can ever take a shot at the big fella. Folks always give some reason that indicates their humanity got involved because the being looked so human.
I do not think this is why.
Human beings, will essentially shoot at anything.
I think it is very telling that almost no one ever so much as lifts a finger to stop or molest a big foot in any way.


Melba Ketchum, who had claimed her sequencing of Sasquatch DNA samples revealed “a hybrid cross between modern Homo sapiens in the maternal lineage and an unknown hominin male progenitor.”
I find the above quote intriguing to no end. It basically agrees with what Edgar Cayce stated about bigfoot. That bigfoot was a genetic experiment from Atlantis, one of the many genetic crosses between man and animal. Mythology is rich with these hybrid examples.

And here is where I'm trying to get to.
The article states that bigfoot is only about 15,000 years old. (http://digitaljournal.com/article/337846)
So there you go.
Bigfoot has a form of telepathy+ because he is a hold over from ancient man.
In many ways Bigfoot may be less devolved than modern humans.
Bigfoot has more of those genetics from ancient man in the form of telepathy+ than we do because he never had it bred out of him.
This is why bigfoot never gets shot, because he can mentally subdue those wishing to do him harm.
This in turn is a hint to me of what our capability must have been.
What our capabilities must be.
Have you seen my thread on Sasquatch Ontario? Basically it states that Sasquatch can walk invisible, can move through solid objects and can make objects appear in thin air. That Sasquatch are not just an animal, but a highly evolved type of people that have paranormal abilities and have inter-dimensional abilities.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68434-Sasquatch-Habituator-documents-evidence-of-paranormal-aspects-to-the-Sasquatch-Phenomna&p=796772&viewfull=1#post796772

[DNA]

I forgot to tie in what my statement has to do with this thread in my post about bigfoot.

Basically, it is my belief that bigfoot is a surface agent for various subturanean cultures, cultures with very ancient roots.

I believe some pockets of Atlantean type peoples still live on, and that this was found out by our secret Government long ago, or certain agents of these ancient cultures infiltrated our government and started creating the national park system on top of their bases as a way to discourage devolopment there.

I believe a lot of these missing people reports are attempts at infusing fresh genetics into isolated populations.

And I believe they use the genetically created "BIGFOOT" as a top side agent to abduct folks and bring them down below the surface to these bases.

Creepy I know.

It's just a theory.

[jagman]

David Paulides, a former lawman turned investigative journalist, reported on several new unexplained disappearances, including an Arcadia firefighter named Mike Herdman who vanished inside the Los Padres National Forest

My call can be heard at the 31:31 Mark (Jason from Farmington Mo.)
I told a story about a strange encounter that I experienced a few
years ago in the deep Mo wilderness


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjYhnm5gzYk&feature=player_embedded

[Sloppyjoe]

I love Paulides' work, will listen to this and look out for you!

[Blacklight43]

I thought that was you Jason!

[Jake]

Wow, Jagman!!!! That was intense... Same thing with me,, riding my bike into the woods,,, missing time,,, waking up in strange places...

Gave me the chills...

Jake.

[Christine]

I was listening. .. powerful story Jason!! Thanks for letting us know it was you.

[seeker/reader]

Jagman,

So what do you think was watching you in the forest?

[jagman]

Jagman,

So what do you think was watching you in the forest?

This was the first time I've experienced anything like this while being
in the woods. So I highly doubt it was an animal or atleast one that
I know about.. The presence I felt that day wanted to do me harm.
The reason I say that is because? Being in the wild for me is almost
a religious or spiritual.Although I do hunt for food, I consider the all
the creatures of the forest to be sacred and when I visit their home
I treat them with the utmost respect. Usually a bear, wolf,or
mountain lion will not attack man unless they are being threatened
or they feel their young are in danger or they are sick (Rabid).

When I was 8 years old the town I lived in had a tornado. Right
before the tornado hit, I was standing outside.Everything got so
still. The air changed and then the color changed.That is the
closest way I can describe what happened that day in the forest
but this was not a weather phenomenon. I believe this was some
kind of paranormal vortex that I stumbled upon and whatever
came through it was IMO evil. It tracked me for a good mile in the
woods. Finally I sat down to make my stand and waited.
I think it was toying with me and could have killed me at anytime
it wanted.I'm not real sure why it didnt except I was praying to god..

[Tyy1907]

Something or someone could have wanted you out of the area. There are countless Sasquatch experiences that fit this bill. They can project their presence at you and make someone feel extreme fear. Since they're interdimensional many people don't even see them. They just feel like they should leave the area. Good for you for standing your ground. Almost like passing their "test". Although many of these Sas people are not evil, some of them just plain don't like us. In some ways can you blame them?

[Rex]

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Just finishing the 4th book and saw that David Paulides just posted this. More troubling to see this the second time around, that poor little guy - what happened to you?

As if losing your child isn't bad enough, the way the authorities treated this case was beyond shameful.

http://www.canammissing.com/jaryd-atadero.html

[DNA]

First off let me state there is no way of knowing for sure what happened to any of the people in the Paulides books. There is just not enough data.
I will state that I'm damn near 100% sure there is not going to be a one size fits all answer.

These cases vary, in some instances I absolutely think there are rational, explainable answers that most folks would accept and be able to relate with.

But I've wrestled with a few of these, and there are some I do not believe any law enforcement agency would entertain the notion of in so far as it being a reality to any given disappearance.

I wrestled with this one when I read it in MISSING 411 WESTERN UNITED STATES.

I find it intriguing to no end that Paulides states that Native Americans, and early miners and Settlers had legends about this place. I would like to know more about those legends.

I personally get the feeling that this area could be the location of an underground ancient culture ie Atlantis, or alien base.
Edgar Cayce stated that when Atlantis went down, a large contingent came to the Colorado area.

I think refugees from Atlantis came in two types.
Those of the higher classes who had the ability to take a large degree of technological know how with them and those who did not.
Those who had the material assets and know how, in my opinion did now stay on the surface, but instead created underground civilizations.

I personally think it possible that this kid is still alive.
I think it possible these ancient underground civilizations occasionally take folks for their ranks every once in a while.

The clothes did not show the weather wear of the years it should have had.
And further all that was found was a tooth and a skull cap.
It was as if these articles were placed here to give the family closure.
Technology as we now know it is at a place where items such as a tooth and a skull cap could be manufactured via 3-D biological printers.

I'm not saying this is the case, I'm saying it is a possibility I'm open to.

[Rex]

...
I will state that I'm damn near 100% sure there is not going to be a one size fits all answer.

These cases vary, in some instances I absolutely think there are rational, explainable answers that most folks would accept and be able to relate with.
...
I personally think it possible that this kid is still alive.
...

Yeah, unfortunately David Paulides sometimes gives the impression that there may be a one-size-fits-all explanation. That might just be the way he comes across as I'll bet he doesn't really believe that. That said, there are definitely some common high strangeness themes running through a number of these cases.

And there is definitely a hidden hand theme, whether it's Sasquatch, aliens, atlantian refugees or nefarious people with access to technology we don't know about.

I often have the same thought about some of these folks still being alive "somewhere". Maybe it's even possible they were placed back in society with no memory of who they were and what happened. Probably false hope...

[Althena]

What do you think is going on here??

The part about finding the victims' clothes neatly folded is creepy as hell...


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[onawah]

Good subject matter for the new XFiles!

[Althena]

Good subject matter for the new XFiles!

Absolutely...

[Ewan]

This 411 book is sitting in my bookcase now. It curious, thought provoking and seemingly thorough.

[mojo]

Ive read a few of the cases and believe some are related to portals. Even NASA admits the existence of them, not that NASA is much of a truth sponsor...;)

[Mike]

This mystery is so deep and so lacking in logic that pretty much any theory will be just as valid as another.

Portals? Ufo abduction? Black ops? Bigfoot? Lex Luthor? Vampires? Couldnt put a sheet of looseleaf between 'em. You can throw as much mud at the wall as you wish....if only you could find the wall.

What does strike me as being extremely odd is the seeming uncooperativeneess of the national parks themselves.

This is the type of high strangeness that makes the skinwalker ranch look normal.

I regard member DNA as as near an authority as you can be on this stuff. His theory about.underground alien bases is as good as any ive heard....but i'll let him explain

I'd be interested in the ley line configuration of some of.these areas. It usually speaks volumes

[terragunn]

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[bettye198]

This is brave and important info. Thank you. The missing person files should be bulging. I remember reading the story of ADAM when my child was young and because of that, I never took my eyes off my son growing up in his elementary years. From all of our studies and readings, alien abduction would seem so available in a remote area. These creatures are human flesh eating aliens or abducting to their ships for other unspeakable reasons. It cannot be dismissed. Few, lets face it, are ever found dead or mutilated. My own personal opinion is that Whitley Streiber works for the other side.

[boja]

BIGFOOT AND UFOs (which seem to be connected) could be a part of the answer.

[Tyy1907]

This 411 book is sitting in my bookcase now. It curious, thought provoking and seemingly thorough.

Might I add disturbing and upsetting as many of these people are kids.

[janette]

I think there is a film coming out near the end of this year about this high strangeness subject. I also have the book which is highly compelling and unfathomable. This film which is being made by paulides and his team I believe will hopefully shed a glimmer of light on this disturbing subject. My heart breaks for all the families of the missing 😢

[Jules]

This 411 book is sitting in my bookcase now. It curious, thought provoking and seemingly thorough.

Might I add disturbing and upsetting as many of these people are kids.

Didn't Simon state that reptilians like to eat children? This discussion that portals may be involved did resonate with me. Doc Marquis stated that Satanists have a goal to take over the military and government, so it is no surprise that some rituals are going on in National Parks that open some of these portals. This would explain the cover up of missing people so people are not as aware of what is going on, therefore if we don't know something exists then how can we take action against it? That is my idea on this subject, but of course I don't really know. I feel like this is just the tip of the iceburg....

[Shannon]

This mystery is so deep and so lacking in logic that pretty much any theory will be just as valid as another.

Portals? Ufo abduction? Black ops? Bigfoot? Lex Luthor? Vampires? Couldnt put a sheet of looseleaf between 'em. You can throw as much mud at the wall as you wish....if only you could find the wall.

What does strike me as being extremely odd is the seeming uncooperativeneess of the national parks themselves.

This is the type of high strangeness that makes the skinwalker ranch look normal.

I regard member DNA as as near an authority as you can be on this stuff. His theory about.underground alien bases is as good as any ive heard....but i'll let him explain

I'd be interested in the ley line configuration of some of.these areas. It usually speaks volumes

This whole topic is fascinating and creepy as hell. And yes dna's thread is amazing with so much information and as far as I'm concerned his theory is as good as any when it comes to this bizarro case.

I recently listened to david pauladis on some radio show. It's was great. I have to remember which one it was. He has such organized details and really knows how to lay out the eerie..very disturbing questions left totally unanswered.

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This 411 book is sitting in my bookcase now. It curious, thought provoking and seemingly thorough.

Might I add disturbing and upsetting as many of these people are kids.

Exactly. Omg he spoke a about a string of murders that occurred and were very similar because of the ️dogs these children were abducted with. The ️dogs were returning and in perfect condition. Wtf?

[Ewan]

This 411 book is sitting in my bookcase now. It curious, thought provoking and seemingly thorough.

Might I add disturbing and upsetting as many of these people are kids.

Yes you may. I must have had a selective memory block there as now you mention it I rememder tearing up on more than one occasion.

[Truglivartna]

Having listened to George Noory interview David Paulides and heard what Mr. Paulides has -- and has not -- done to get to the real heart of each missing person encounter, I can't help but ask what appears to me to be a most obvious question; WHY HASN'T ANYONE ASKED THE BEST REMOTE VIEWERS TO TACKLE INDIVIDUAL CASES?

I'm sure men like Daz Smith or Dick Allgire could shed some light on this situation. I don't know what they might charge, but in some cases they might do a few RV scans for a reasonable price, if not for free for distraught parents.

There's no question in my mind that there will turn out to be more than one explanation -- and maybe the truth might be more unsettling than the silence. But, hey, this is a time for disclosure is it not?

[Tyy1907]

Having listened to George Noory interview David Paulides and heard what Mr. Paulides has -- and has not -- done to get to the real heart of each missing person encounter, I can't help but ask what appears to me to be a most obvious question; WHY HASN'T ANYONE ASKED THE BEST REMOTE VIEWERS TO TACKLE INDIVIDUAL CASES?

I'm sure men like Daz Smith or Dick Allgire could shed some light on this situation. I don't know what they might charge, but in some cases they might do a few RV scans for a reasonable price, if not for free for distraught parents.

There's no question in my mind that there will turn out to be more than one explanation -- and maybe the truth might be more unsettling than the silence. But, hey, this is a time for disclosure is it not?

I gotta say that is a great idea. I'm gonna drop Paulides an email on that one.

[Mike]

Having given it a little thought, folding the clothes of the victim or sending the dog back unharmed are precisely the sort of nonsensical acts one might take to throw researchers off their scent. It's just the sort of distraction that muddies the waters enough to discourage/confuse the casual investigator. Its something I might do if I were the one responsible for this sick sh!t.

Then again, I'm reminded of a chapter in John Keel's 'the mothman prophecies' titled "games non people play". This type of sick mischief is highly reminiscent of "Indrid Cold" and his cronies. As Keel would likely point out, IT'S NOT MEANT TO MAKE SENSE. It's meant to cause a nauseous blend of fear, paranoia, confusion, and hysteria. These entitiies (or whatever one.wishes to call them) get off on this sh!t. They inhale this disturbing energy like we inhale oxygen.

Whatever is responsible is, no doubt, the very epitome of evil. I think if we knew what really was going on, and who/what was responsible, and why.....we might not sleep another night for the rest of our lives

[onawah]

Regressing the few victims who survived but could not remember what happened to them might be a way to get more information.

[ghostrider]

Could it be , our government made a deal with aliens , they abduct whomever in certain areas, we ensure people will look the other way, in exchange for technology , and government higher ups are off limits from the aliens experiments ... lets assume the aliens changed the deal and our officials can now only play damage control , and secretly try to develop space weapons for a looming cosmic battle that we MUST win ... they would go to any lengths to keep this from the public ...even disinform , ridicule, and kepp UFO enthusiasts chasing their tales with Roswell talk for over 50 years , or hold semi formal congressional hearings , or draw some new crop circles now and then ... they couldn't be that dishonest could they ??? They wouldn't kill people that get too close would they ??? They wouldn't design a space program that really does nothing would they ??? There is no limits to government deception and the concealing of the truth ... they paint everyone connected with ETs and UFO as crazy conspiracy nuts ...Welcome to the underground - the rebellion , the Jedi ...

[OMG]

JC Johnson also knows about missing cases and cryptids as much of his stuff also leads to the 411 type scenarios.

Bigfoot/Cryptids, aliens, secret government, demonic activity, and random portals/time slips are some possible explanations.

epWJNRrFFQQ

[ghostrider]

After digging around this thread I got attacked , irritating pain attacking me as I type , readers beware , the. Controllers don't want us looking into this , dammit ... sorry my head is screaming , battle continues, but I wont stop speaking my truth as I percieve it ... first I coulnt keep my eyes open n I am a night owl , now its headaches ...

[OMG]

Some things suggested by David Paulides & JC Johnson when out in the woods/wilderness.


Don't go alone
Walk side by side or don't get out of sight ahead or behind your group
Avoid wearing bright colors
A combination of having a gun & transponder is a good idea
Having a dog(s) doesn't help
Familiarity of a place doesn't help
A particular Spiritual/Religious faith doesn't seem to help (which I find unlikely, except maybe from those who have pseudo/part-time faith)

[OMG]

After digging around this thread I got attacked , irritating pain attacking me as I type , readers beware , the. Controllers don't want us looking into this , dammit ... sorry my head is screaming , battle continues, but I wont stop speaking my truth as I percieve it ... first I coulnt keep my eyes open n I am a night owl , now its headaches ...


Wonder why that would be? I've been delving into this topic now for several months on my own with no ill effects (knock on wood). What about this topic would the "Controllers" not want us to know, etc?

I think one the great resolutions of our age would be to find answers instead of promote further ambiguity on the evils perpetrated to us by the Powers and Principalities...

[ghostrider]

It happens from time to time some are attacked , most dont say anything they just endure ... I have a history with the ptb , dont usually talk much about it after my soul mate was brought into it ...

[Jules]

After digging around this thread I got attacked , irritating pain attacking me as I type , readers beware , the. Controllers don't want us looking into this , dammit ... sorry my head is screaming , battle continues, but I wont stop speaking my truth as I percieve it ... first I coulnt keep my eyes open n I am a night owl , now its headaches ...

I am sorry that you don't feel well. I pray you feel better. I guess the controllers have no honor toward people simply wanting answers. You must scare them.

[sigma6]

Obviously this is what David Paulides is trying to alert and educate everyone about...

As a result I started looking up everything I could find on Bigfoots on YouTube... as one of the possible lines of explanation. I listened to one interview during this time... and I came across the most interesting interview, where a biker said that he was riding when he came across a Bigfoot, I forgot how he described it... (will have to go back to it... there was something about it being hard to see, or in a tree or something...) He described how it was early in the morning and the weather was cold so they were dressed for cold riding, etc...

It was hugely insightful, because in this story, he described hearing a noise... like a woman calling out or a baby crying? ... [update: wow! I just listened to it again... he actually remembers hearing a growling sound "in retrospect" but during his "trance" he said that it was the sound of water and that it was "attracting" him!] and he didn't even remember stopping his bike to check it out!... he was so under the spell of whatever was going on that he was mesmerized, according to his recounting of this story... and then he said he recalls being drawn to it and feeling incredibly hot... so he started taking off his clothes... and he was trying to fold them up and put them into some bag he had brought with him!... he was doing this all on his own!... all the while under this strange mesmerizing influence!...

Because he was one of the better riders, he had ridden ahead of his group... and at some point during this event, where he was in a state of half undress, his friends were coming down the path and they called out to him (or something, wow I really forgot this one...) and he snapped out of it... standing there, stripped down to his jersey, a t-shirt and shoes, in 40-42 F cold wet weather... only then did he start to feel cold!...

His friends coming down the path behind him apparently caused a splash, that hit him, and this is what caused him to snap out of it... and what probably saved him... according to him, he said he wouldn't have probably remembered the entire event if he hadn't "snapped out of it"... right at that point in time (something I have experienced myself... under different circumstances of course i.e. being in one state of mind, where I think I am entirely conscious [but I am not, it's more like a dream or state of mind so focused, you are not aware of your actual surroundings... and then not realizing it until something or someone snaps you out of it, and then you are now only aware of your prior state, because you are looking at it from a different state of mind, like waking immediately from a dream and still remembering the dream... it is only at that point do you realize the dream was just that... a dream, even though, just seconds before, you were IN the dream, thinking it your "normal" conscious state!

...Which of course begs the question... just how "conscious" is our existing state? especially when I see people who are caught up in denial, hangups, repressions, anxiety, fear, they are clearly "caught" in these states and it can be very difficult to "bring them back down to earth" ... (ironically, and not to go off topic, but they need the "release" that a puff or two can give do for them)

It was part of a Bigfoot YouTube interview. I thought it was so striking, I sent it to David Paulides... (didn't hear anything back from him...?)


This story sounded so true to me, the way he described it, not over exaggerated or anything... he was not into Bigfoot at all and so this experience didn't make any sense to himself at all... very compelling and it made a LOT of sense to me! ... it means whatever these things are, they have a power over the minds of their victims, if humans can be hypnotized by other humans why can't other beings with even greater control of their minds (than most humans have)... do so something similar?... and it does explain a lot... especially the weird stuff Paulides talks about... i.e. finding people with their pants down to their ankles or all their clothes folded neatly in pile... very freaky stuff...

And these things have all been attributed to Bigfoots... and weirdly that would make them perfect agents for other worldly beings i.e. UFOs! (or whatever THEY are)... it appears they truly do walk in two different worlds... if other sentient beings exist and used telepathy then the Bigfoots would know about them and vice versa...

[sigma6]

I think this is it (compared time stamps with my library file... story about cross country bikers in Alberta)

missing people bigfoot encounters
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And in support of this psychological side to Bigfoot, is this Sasquatch Ontario Video... this is the trippiest stuff I have heard of... they are claiming to have habituated their presence to Sasquatch, and he leaves them little presents, marbles, figures made from twigs, drawings, (they leave paper and writing materials out) even images on a camera left out... and they in turn leave him food, and try to hang out and listen for him... the images on the camera are not physically taken by Sasquatch, but are burned onto the camera somehow, and what they reveal is very strange, apparently Sasquatch is trying to show them, he sees the world in literally an entirely different light... also some psychics did some work on it too... very strange... seems too strange to be made up... ... reminds me of people who interact with ghosts, but these 'quatch leaves footprints, greasy palm prints on their cars, marbles and little toys (they find somehow...?) twig dolls, VERY WEIRD images on cameras left out for him (them) to play with, etc... it even has a table of contents at 2:40... at 48:00 he talks about an experience where they thought they saw something and then just ignored it, and then later tried to figure out why they just completely ignored a possible sighting?... and suspect 'quatch was doing something to their minds...

ah... don't we all wish we lived in Northern Ontario!... LoL

SPEAKING OF SASQUATCH - Sasquatch Ontario
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[Tyy1907]

Just like humans, maybe you get your aggressive ones and your peaceful leave me alone types. Makes me want to listen to Paulides 411 interviews when he talks about some of these cases. Sometimes the people are indeed found alive still. It's almost like these Bigfoot are "playing" with these people. Using their highly advanced mind skills on us comparitively weak minded people.

[Curiosity]

I've often wondered why the gov feels it necessary to control billions of acres of forest and mountains. They only allow us in on very small and controlled portions of these lands and if you are found beyond these controlled portions they herd you away, throw you out and will even arrest you.

[Mike]

I've often wondered why the gov feels it necessary to control billions of acres of forest and mountains. They only allow us in on very small and controlled portions of these lands and if you are found beyond these controlled portions they herd you away, throw you out and will even arrest you.


One can't help but feel the government is involved...that they have an arrangement with these....entities.

An even more disturbing thought is that an arrangement with these entities is unnecessary...maybe the elements in government responsible for the obfuscation *are* these entities..in one form or another

[sigma6]

Some things suggested by David Paulides & JC Johnson when out in the woods/wilderness.


Don't go alone
Walk side by side or don't get out of sight ahead or behind your group
Avoid wearing bright colors
A combination of having a gun & transponder is a good idea
Having a dog(s) doesn't help
Familiarity of a place doesn't help
A particular Spiritual/Religious faith doesn't seem to help (which I find unlikely, except maybe from those who have pseudo/part-time faith)


interesting I never caught the bright colours, but that is possible, the dog thing is interesting, I wonder if they could be specially trained but given the info we are getting it would have to be powerful training, I am now suspecting they could influence the dogs thoughts, on the other hand the dogs are confused by the scents... I wonder if that is related to some suggesting the 'quatch can "play with time distortion"?

Regarding "faith", I think I could count people who have real spiritual faith on the fingers of one hand and they do have a presence, the rest are self serving and kidding themselves... and if anyone thinks otherwise... consider that you might be in the presence of a being that can completely read your thoughts... which is consistent with the descriptions of MANY encounters... I get the feeling the 'quatch can see through stuff like some people's utter pathetic bullsh** (no wonder some people end up getting their heads ripped off... or what if 'quatch came across someone who he/she knew was a murderer? or a lying cheater? or a wife beater? etc... how do you think 'quatch would react to such a snivelling pathetic excuse for a human being?

[sigma6]

Ive read a few of the cases and believe some are related to portals. Even NASA admits the existence of them, not that NASA is much of a truth sponsor...;)

There is more to it then portals though, according to Paulides they have recently come to the conclusion that whatever is behind it is highly intelligent and anticipative... i.e. if it was just a matter of walking into a portal, then eventually in the last several centuries there would have been at least one sighting... his group though cleverly, and quite correctly deduced that this is NOT what is happening since the disappearances are always when everyone else is NOT looking... This is brilliant deductive reasoning imo and I would agree... so although the use of a portal may be possible... there is still an intelligent agent somewhere... physical or otherwise, operating in the background, hidden from sight...

[sigma6]

This is brave and important info. Thank you. The missing person files should be bulging. I remember reading the story of ADAM when my child was young and because of that, I never took my eyes off my son growing up in his elementary years. From all of our studies and readings, alien abduction would seem so available in a remote area. These creatures are human flesh eating aliens or abducting to their ships for other unspeakable reasons. It cannot be dismissed. Few, lets face it, are ever found dead or mutilated. My own personal opinion is that Whitley Streiber works for the other side.

I think Whitley is a "victim" because he spent so many of his conscious waking hours delving into these horrific topics, that he has opened a 'door'... I was totally blown away when I found out he was the author for the movie "The Hunger" (with David Bowie, Catherine Deneuve and Susan Sarandon) one of my fave cult films at the time..

[Truglivartna]

Please let us all know if you can get a response from Paulides.



Having listened to George Noory interview David Paulides and heard what Mr. Paulides has -- and has not -- done to get to the real heart of each missing person encounter, I can't help but ask what appears to me to be a most obvious question; WHY HASN'T ANYONE ASKED THE BEST REMOTE VIEWERS TO TACKLE INDIVIDUAL CASES?

I'm sure men like Daz Smith or Dick Allgire could shed some light on this situation. I don't know what they might charge, but in some cases they might do a few RV scans for a reasonable price, if not for free for distraught parents.

There's no question in my mind that there will turn out to be more than one explanation -- and maybe the truth might be more unsettling than the silence. But, hey, this is a time for disclosure is it not?

I gotta say that is a great idea. I'm gonna drop Paulides an email on that one.

[PurpleLama]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21485-Possible-Subterranean-Culture-Entrances

[Tyy1907]

Please let us all know if you can get a response from Paulides.



Having listened to George Noory interview David Paulides and heard what Mr. Paulides has -- and has not -- done to get to the real heart of each missing person encounter, I can't help but ask what appears to me to be a most obvious question; WHY HASN'T ANYONE ASKED THE BEST REMOTE VIEWERS TO TACKLE INDIVIDUAL CASES?

I'm sure men like Daz Smith or Dick Allgire could shed some light on this situation. I don't know what they might charge, but in some cases they might do a few RV scans for a reasonable price, if not for free for distraught parents.

There's no question in my mind that there will turn out to be more than one explanation -- and maybe the truth might be more unsettling than the silence. But, hey, this is a time for disclosure is it not?

I gotta say that is a great idea. I'm gonna drop Paulides an email on that one.

I'll update you guys when/if he replies for sure

[Tyy1907]

This next story I found absolutely fascinating.

This is an excerpt from Kewaunee Lapseritis' book "The Sasquatch People an their inter dimensional connection". To preface, "Pam" is a Sasquatch habituator in eastern Tennessee who lives side by side with a clan of 17 Saquatch people. She leaves food for them regularly and has developed a telepathic connection with them.

"This next episode was told to me with great solemnity. The head of the Sasquatch clan had told Pam that he took a gallon of antifreeze from her carport because of a major problem that had developed. One of their large males had killed a female who had two young children. This, Pam was told, was an extremely rare event with a member of their people. A council of elders discussed among themselves what "crime" had occurred and he was sentenced to death! They made the killer drink the bottle of antifreeze. For a long while the perpetrator had been hiding out in a cave, so after consuming the poison he returned to his hideaway. Part of the way there, he had become violently ill and weak. Finally, Healy down in the cave and with remorse telepathed to Pam his last thoughts and words. She swears the following is absolutely the truth.

The dying Sasquatch said that contact had been made to his people by the United States military because our government knew the truth and importance of the Bigfoot/UFO connection. Some Sasquatch are "recruited" by a certain race of Starpeople. The Sasquatch are the ET's "ground crew" to mine certain minerals, do the heavy work, act as sentries, spy for them, and so on.

The Sasquatch man told Pam that military personnel had lured him and two other Sasquatch into a building under the pretence of being their friend. The military used some form of electromagnetic device to block his use of telepathy and to stop him from dematerializing. Then they gave the creature food with a powerful sedative in it. Once unconscious, they injected an implant to the back of his skull in order to monitor and follow his every move. He was enraged by this deceit. Friendly ET's tried to help by using surgical means to remove the implant, but on two other occasions, a Sasquatch had died because of complications with the delicate operation.

This disheartened forest giant had become angry with his clan for accepting food from Pam and had planned to kill her husband. When he argued with a female of his group about the food, he could not contain his rage and killed her.

As he was dying, lying in a cave, the creature told Pam that he realized he was wrong and was sorry for his actions and deeply regretted it. The Sasquatch said that he needed to tell Pam the reason for his mistake and that he now knew there were good people like them in the outer world. He said his life energy was fading, and this was his last statement to her and he wanted to repeat:"The military helicopter is here to retrieve my body." The implant had given away his position.

During the communication with him, Pam tried to phone a friend who knew the mountain so they could find the cave and possibly help the remorseful being. The telephone was mysteriously dead. She started to use email to get help, but all the electricity in the house suddenly went out in the house. Pam believes she was being monitored by the NSA, which has the tech and ability to do that. She made me (author) promise that I would not divulge her name and where she lives."

[Shannon]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21485-Possible-Subterranean-Culture-Entrances

This is one of the threads that's so awesome. ^^^thank you.

I had it opened on my phone browser for the longest. You'd think I'd bookmark it or something. Lol. So lazy. Such a great thread though, totally opened my mind up to a bunch of new possibilities and possible realities. Deep stuff.

[Carmody]

at 48:00 he talks about an experience where they thought they saw something and then just ignored it, and then later tried to figure out why they just completely ignored a possible sighting?... and suspect 'quatch was doing something to their minds...

Blanking people's minds out is easy.

Well... maybe it takes skill, capacity, and practice. I'll go that far.

[PurpleLama]

Universe isn't stranger than we think, it's stranger than we can think.

[sigma6]

Please let us all know if you can get a response from Paulides.



Having listened to George Noory interview David Paulides and heard what Mr. Paulides has -- and has not -- done to get to the real heart of each missing person encounter, I can't help but ask what appears to me to be a most obvious question; WHY HASN'T ANYONE ASKED THE BEST REMOTE VIEWERS TO TACKLE INDIVIDUAL CASES?

I'm sure men like Daz Smith or Dick Allgire could shed some light on this situation. I don't know what they might charge, but in some cases they might do a few RV scans for a reasonable price, if not for free for distraught parents.

There's no question in my mind that there will turn out to be more than one explanation -- and maybe the truth might be more unsettling than the silence. But, hey, this is a time for disclosure is it not?

I gotta say that is a great idea. I'm gonna drop Paulides an email on that one.

Paulides did mention in one interview he tried to do it... and the response was apparently disappointing, with the remote viewer, (apparently someone very famous too) ended up beating around the bush or being evasive or something? and Paulides in his typical fashion didn't delve into the "interpretation" of this other than just describing it... still it begs the question what happened with this viewer? I remember his explanation was totally unsatisfactory to my mind... (did the guy see government agencies involved? and got scared away?, or did "aliens" scare him? ...I doubt he drew a blank...) And of course for Paulides... why did he give up and not try again?... oddly the interviewer did a pathetic job of following this up... he just didn't get into it enough, you would have thought this would have been a bigger deal... and in a real subtle way, I almost got the impression that Paulides was being kind of "evasive" ... and I know that is not like him... ???

[sigma6]

at 48:00 he talks about an experience where they thought they saw something and then just ignored it, and then later tried to figure out why they just completely ignored a possible sighting?... and suspect 'quatch was doing something to their minds...

Blanking people's minds out is easy.

Well... maybe it takes skill, capacity, and practice. I'll go that far.

the context is that this guy lives for these contacts, they treasure every sign, footprint, gift, and sound, for them to just ignore this was definitely NOT what they themselves intended... that is why they suspected that there was something else going on... i.e. maybe it didn't want to be bothered that day... they themselves don't have an explanation... and would NEVER have just simply ignored a potential perfect sighting right in their back yard in perfect view...

[Mike]

whats occured to me after listening to many of Paulides interviews over the past several days is that the behavior/actions of the entities responsible for this very odd behavior is very consistent with what john keel calls 'ultraterrestrials'.

just from some casual research, one can see the differences quite clearly between UT's and what we call ET's. the UT's seem much more mischievous and sinister, for starters. at least the ET's return you to your bed when they're finished (generally)

in Keel's seminal work 'the mothman prophecies' he gives several examples of abducted individuals returning naked..only to have their clothes show up on their doorstep the next day, clearly having been laundered. there are a few variations on this theme...

he gives examples of footprints simply stopping in the middle of nowhere...

there are examples where the UT's climb extremely muddy ground to arrive at someone's home...and their shoes arent even the slightest bit dirty...

-in Paulides work, bodies are often discovered (bodies that have been gone for days or months, and that have somehow traveled many miles) with clothes or shoes that look brand spanking new..

-one man's prints were tracked into the middle of a frozen lake, only to....stop. there's nowhere he could have gone but up..

-the sinister, mischievous acts are very reminiscent of the entities in Keel's book...
for example - the behavior is imitative. in other words, when Keel arrived at a certain theory, or found some sort of consistency in the seemingly pointless actions of the entities, they'd humor him and emphasize the theme in future actions. they were toying with him in a sense. i see the same thing happening with Paulides - the victims in his cases are often german, religious, handicapped in some way, had tough childhoods(grew up with an aunt or uncle..) and so forth. they are pretty nonsensical associations, and , in my opinion, without any meaning at all. the only purpose is to distort, obfuscate, confuse...

the entities responsible don't behave like we've expected our traditional ET's to behave. many of our ET stories depict them as being more amoral than downright evil. i'm thinking of the 'greys' here. and all this would seem below the so called reptoids..who allegedly view themselves as some sort of royalty. the way theyve been described makes it very hard for me to imagine them engaged in these silly games. no, this is a totally different phenomena all together in my opinion..

demonic in nature maybe, but not 'demons'....not in the ed and lorraine warren sense anyway...

black op program? ok, maybe...but WHY? makes no sense. Paulides points out the presence of FBI investigators at several of the disappearance scenes...and they seem just as confused as everybody else???

so what is it? why is it? perhaps its as 'alexander leek' says in the mothman movie..."we're not allowed to know.."

[DNA]

What do you think is going on here??

The part about finding the victims' clothes neatly folded is creepy as hell...


Hi Athena
I've been on sabbatical the last few months so I'm saying welcome to Avalon even if it's a few months late to do so. :)
Patagonia huh? That is so freaking cool. If the world goes nuclear you are in one of the best places to be in the entire planet!


In so far as your questions on cause via the Missing 411 book, I think some 90% of the cases especially through the first three books pertain to a specific criteria as I will now outline. This is all off the top of my head so if anyone can add to it please do.


1. The Folks found (dead or alive) have scratches over a large part of their body.
2. Many disappearances occur around berry bushes
3. Many disappearances occur on or around the ridgeline of mountains. Where the tree line stops.
4. Many of the folks who have disappeared are found with missing shoes.
5. Many of the folks who disappear do so around creek beds.
6. There seems to be a cover up by the National Park Service after the initial search is complete.
7. Search and rescue dogs, which are normally the bread and butter of search and rescue are rendered impotent, usually due to extreme fear and an over all unwillingness to cooperate with their handlers in regards to the search.
8. Children usually under the age of 3 who remember their abductors will call them gorillas, bears and even large dogs with human like features.


David Paulides before he started the Missing 411 books was an avid Bigfoot researcher, and I daresay one of the worlds best.
His work is really without peer, and his background with being a police investigator have truly helped him in this regard.
I just finished his "Hoopa Project" book on the bigfoot in the northern CA area. He has one other book on bigfoot as well that I fail to remember off the top of my head. Paulides developed a set of constants involving Bigfoot in his "Hoopa Project" book that I believe he began correlating with certain disappearance clues in the National Park system.

Some of these constants regarding Bigfoot are as follows.

1.Bigfoot is fast, very fast and pays little regard to anything in it's way when running through the brush. Bigfoot is noted as running down a dear along a ridgeline in the "Hoopa Project".
2.Bigfoot is a big fan of berries.
3.Bigfoot is known to use the ridgelines along mountains as a refuge and a place with which to ambush and hunt large game.
4.In regards to shoes there are folks who have stated that whatever creature took them, took off their shoes. In one instance in the Paulides books a little girl is noted as saying "the big doggie that was carrying her in it's arms while running with her took off her shoes".
5.Bigfoot seems to use creek beds to travel through forests like paths, it is often thought that they do this because they know they will leave little or no footprints behind on the hard river rocks.
6.There seems to be a cover up in terms of the National Park service and Government in general knowing about bigfoot. In the "Hoopa Project" Paulides notes how certain trails and or park areas seem to be shut down for suspicious reason when the bigfoot are known to be in seasonal habitat there.
7.Paulides makes note in the "Hoopa Project" that in instances when Bigfoot is around, dogs whimper and cower, and often attempt to hide if possible. This is true with dogs who have had multiple physical encounters with black bears and bare the scars to prove it.

[Mike]

What do you think is going on here??

The part about finding the victims' clothes neatly folded is creepy as hell...


Hi Athena
I've been on sabbatical the last few months so I'm saying welcome to Avalon even if it's a few months late to do so. :)
Patagonia huh? That is so freaking cool. If the world goes nuclear you are in one of the best places to be in the entire planet!


In so far as your questions on cause via the Missing 411 book, I think some 90% of the cases especially through the first three books pertain to a specific criteria as I will now outline. This is all off the top of my head so if anyone can add to it please do.


1. The Folks found (dead or alive) have scratches over a large part of their body.
2. Many disappearances occur around berry bushes
3. Many disappearances occur on or around the ridgeline of mountains. Where the tree line stops.
4. Many of the folks who have disappeared are found with missing shoes.
5. Many of the folks who disappear do so around creek beds.
6. There seems to be a cover up by the National Park Service after the initial search is complete.
7. Search and rescue dogs, which are normally the bread and butter of search and rescue are rendered impotent, usually due to extreme fear and an over all unwillingness to cooperate with their handlers in regards to the search.
8. Children usually under the age of 3 who remember their abductors will call them gorillas, bears and even large dogs with human like features.


David Paulides before he started the Missing 411 books was an avid Bigfoot researcher, and I daresay one of the worlds best.
His work is really without peer, and his background with being a police investigator have truly helped him in this regard.
I just finished his "Hoopa Project" book on the bigfoot in the northern CA area. He has one other book on bigfoot as well that I fail to remember off the top of my head. Paulides developed a set of constants involving Bigfoot in his "Hoopa Project" book that I believe he began correlating with certain disappearance clues in the National Park system.

Some of these constants regarding Bigfoot are as follows.

1.Bigfoot is fast, very fast and pays little regard to anything in it's way when running through the brush. Bigfoot is noted as running down a dear along a ridgeline in the "Hoopa Project".
2.Bigfoot is a big fan of berries.
3.Bigfoot is known to use the ridgelines along mountains as a refuge and a place with which to ambush and hunt large game.
4.In regards to shoes there are folks who have stated that whatever creature took them, took off their shoes. In one instance in the Paulides books a little girl is noted as saying "the big doggie that was carrying her in it's arms while running with her took off her shoes".
5.Bigfoot seems to use creek beds to travel through forests like paths, it is often thought that they do this because they know they will leave little or no footprints behind on the hard river rocks.
6.There seems to be a cover up in terms of the National Park service and Government in general knowing about bigfoot. In the "Hoopa Project" Paulides notes how certain trails and or park areas seem to be shut down for suspicious reason when the bigfoot are known to be in seasonal habitat there.
7.Paulides makes note in the "Hoopa Project" that in instances when Bigfoot is around, dogs whimper and cower, and often attempt to hide if possible. This is true with dogs who have had multiple physical encounters with black bears and bare the scars to prove it.



Ah, there he is. I referenced you in an earlier post and now youve finally come to the rescue...ive been stepping on my feet a little bit here...;) great input. I think youve listed most of the consistencies.

Well, where there are UT's, there almost always are cryptids. And Bigfoot is nothing if not a cryptid, right?

Bigfoot sounds like a reasonable explanation. maybe i need to expand my thinking, but I can't envision him operating in big cities....and if the phenomena are indeed responsible for both urban and national park disappearances like Paulides suggests, he'd have to be, right?

The national parks only represent half the equation. However, some of the consistencies still apply...like the ubiquitous presence of water, for example...

this is a must listen. in many ways creepier and more bizarre than forest disappearances:

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P.s. welcome back brother

[DNA]

What's going on Mike?
Yea, I read your kind bestowal, and I thank you immensely.
I had felt it was about time to end my sabbatical, but this thread and what seemed like your invitation were too much for me to pass up. :)

No one size fits all answer is going to apply in so far as all of the cases go.
But I have to say our old buddy Sasquatch seems like a likely canidate for a high percentage of the cases. I felt like Paulides was on point with 411 Western, 411 Eastern, 411 Beyond and mostly in Devil is in the details. But this last book where he changed the disappearance criteria to include a lot of urban disappearances would of course rule bigfoot out.

Again, there is no one size fits all answer. But, for the criteria initially proposed, I felt quite a bit seemed to cater to Paulides first true love, Sasquatch. Now, it is worth noting that the Paulides Sasquatch books sold like "manuels on watching paint dry". Paulides is not only a retired cop, but he is also a retired CEO of a quite successful company, as such, with the knowledge of his previous books sales in mind, I don't blame him at all for stating there is a mystery, offering the criteria for the disappearances and then allowing the reader to make their own mind up.

[Mike]

Great to have you back!

Man i'd love to do some boots on the ground research one of these days in one of these conspicuous areas. You in? As long as youre not last in line, right?;)

[DNA]

Great to have you back!

Man i'd love to do some boots on the ground research one of these days in one of these conspicuous areas. You in? As long as youre not last in line, right?;)

If you read the Paulides "Hoopa Project" I'm pretty convinced he gives the best directions as to where to see Bigfoot in the entire US. I would love to check some of these places out.
I'm torn between looking for out right Bigfoot habitat or looking for a portal zone and upping my chances with their being any number of criptid/aliens including Bigfoot.

You are right about being last in line.
Folks want to project some kind of supernatural force for good on bigfoot.

I would say that Bigfoot is very unpredictable.
And the woods in general for that matter hold creatures we haven't even classified as criptids.
In the "Hoopa Project" book, the Natives of the area say there is a river monster. A horse headed snake that is 20-30 ft long, and they tell their youth never swim in the river unless you can see the bottom, for fear they will be eaten by this horse headed creature.

I was watching YouTube videos on criptids and ran into a 1930 photo of the river creature the Hoopa describe. It was pulled from the belly of a sperm whale. Not too far from the Hoopa Valley. I should also note that all three big rivers in the Hoopa area run into the ocean.


Here is the video, it's the very first video on this list of videos.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJCIS7fGst8

[mojo]

I agree that the National Parks are not the whole story and also more than one reason why, and welcome back DNA....

[Tyy1907]

32760
I was in Cabelas the other day and walking through a main aisle I saw this on the upper right corner of a box of goose decoys. It seemed peculiar!
32761
Could be a way of telling people not to shoot BF's. Things can get "messy" covering up such occurrences.

[Curiosity]

I live at the south end of Six Rivers National Forest, Redwood National Forest, home of Bigfoot.
Just thought I'd throw that out here.
I've been out here up on this mountain in the middle of nowhere for about 6 years now. I have dogs, cats, horses, goats, chickens and ducks.

All the animals act in different ways depending on what animal/ predator is near. Cats usually run inside and hide when any predator is out there. Everything from fox, to bear to cougar. The dogs usually go off, go crazy no matter what,s out there, even a bear. But there have been times when they just set and sniff the air and look docile and cautious like the rest of the animals.
I've smelled a weird smell when this happens but never seen or heard anything.
The mountain folks rarely speak of Bigfoot but they will tell you he's out there you can smell him and the animals know, you have to watch the animals.

[Althena]

Hiya DNA!! And thanks for the welcome, I see that you're very informed on this subject, I find all of these disappearances highly suspicious and creepy as hell. I have to read 411 before I can get a more accurate idea of wth is going on in the deep, dark woods.

[DNA]

I live at the south end of Six Rivers National Forest, Redwood National Forest, home of Bigfoot.
Just thought I'd throw that out here.
I've been out here up on this mountain in the middle of nowhere for about 6 years now. I have dogs, cats, horses, goats, chickens and ducks.

All the animals act in different ways depending on what animal/ predator is near. Cats usually run inside and hide when any predator is out there. Everything from fox, to bear to cougar. The dogs usually go off, go crazy no matter what,s out there, even a bear. But there have been times when they just set and sniff the air and look docile and cautious like the rest of the animals.
I've smelled a weird smell when this happens but never seen or heard anything.
The mountain folks rarely speak of Bigfoot but they will tell you he's out there you can smell him and the animals know, you have to watch the animals.

Hi curiosity.
Have you ever heard of the river monster referred to as Kamoth?
I'm just curious as all.
The six rivers area is described as an absolutely beautiful place. For folks who are not aware the Patterson-Gimlin film was filmed in this area. From what Paulides states, he thinks this place is being purposely maintained as a bigfoot sanctuary so to speak.

Have a good one.

[Curiosity]

I live at the south end of Six Rivers National Forest, Redwood National Forest, home of Bigfoot.
Just thought I'd throw that out here.
I've been out here up on this mountain in the middle of nowhere for about 6 years now. I have dogs, cats, horses, goats, chickens and ducks.



All the animals act in different ways depending on what animal/ predator is near. Cats usually run inside and hide when any predator is out there. Everything from fox, to bear to cougar. The dogs usually go off, go crazy no matter what,s out there, even a bear. But there have been times when they just set and sniff the air and look docile and cautious like the rest of the animals.
I've smelled a weird smell when this happens but never seen or heard anything.
The mountain folks rarely speak of Bigfoot but they will tell you he's out there you can smell him and the animals know, you have to watch the animals.

Hi curiosity.
Have you ever heard of the river monster referred to as Kamoth?
I'm just curious as all.
The six rivers area is described as an absolutely beautiful place. For folks who are not aware the Patterson-Gimlin film was filmed in this area. From what Paulides states, he thinks this place is being purposely maintained as a bigfoot sanctuary so to speak.

Have a good one.

No DNA I've never heard of it. Many stories of river monster, though not by name. Probably more so in the lower land than where I'm at.

And yes I'm sure it's a Bigfoot sanctuary. That's the only thing that would explain how the forest rangers keep such a tight grip on everything.

Like I said if you aren't doing the average camping in designated spots, or hunting or day hiking, they don't want you out in the open wilderness. Seems odd to me that they search out people that go way out in the middle of the forest and tell them they can't be there.

[wnlight]

You seem to forget that there is a large industry abducting children to feed the cruel, inhuman needs of the satanic, criminal cabal.

[Tyy1907]

You seem to forget that there is a large industry abducting children to feed the cruel, inhuman needs of the satanic, criminal cabal.

We know so little about so many of these cases that one can't rule that out either

[DNA]

You seem to forget that there is a large industry abducting children to feed the cruel, inhuman needs of the satanic, criminal cabal.

Make no mistake human beings do sacrifice other human beings.

But these national parks disappearances do not seem to be explainable in terms of human on human violence.

What is taking place in these National Forests defies the normal accepted criteria for a crime involving a disappearance to take place. Who ever is doing it seems to have super human abilities.

The reason these cases are given such attention in my opinion, is because they point to a group that leaves very few clues of it's existence, and yet these disappearances seem to convey clues of their existence because they seem to defy every other type of explanation.

[Tyy1907]

32798327993280032801I thought I'd share another BF eyewitness testimony. For those that haven't read any of Paulides' books it shows how professional he is with his witnesses. This story in particular supports that there is a coverup going on with regards to the BF phenomenon. (Disregard the half line above Dec 2007)

[DNA]

32798327993280032801I thought I'd share another BF eyewitness testimony. For those that haven't read any of Paulides' books it shows how professional he is with his witnesses. This story in particular supports that there is a coverup going on with regards to the BF phenomenon. (Disregard the half line above Dec 2007)



TYY I freaking love you man! You come up with some of the best stuff. So this excerpt is from David Paulides "tribal bigfoot". I've never read this book, for some reason last time I checked this book was like $160.00 bucks, but I just went to his website and this book is now back down to a very reasonable $29.95. I'm buying this book it looks awesome thank you for the snippet TYY.


I really like this story you shared TYY this is an excellent addition, and I feel there should be a body of work where folks discuss the "suppressed" aspect of the bigfoot story.
We should also try and enter into the "WHY" would they suppress bigfoot, because that in and of itself should lead to some interesting correlations.


There was a guy who claimed to have laid bait out at night in Texas, anyway he claimed to have shot bigfoot and when it came time for him to show the body, there was an elaborate hoax. He claimed that the Government "took" the bigfoot and that he had to create the elaborate hoax as something to satiate folks while he was trying to get his bigfoot body back from the Government. Now this guy may not be legit, but it is my guess that if someone had a BF body it would be taken by the Government.

[Mike]

Hey Marcus, fyi, someone is buying Paulides (he doesnt know who) books and attempting to resell for the crazy price.

All books can be found directly from his website for the reasonable price.

[loc333]

IS Mary Lonebear safe and well?

[DNA]

Hey Marcus, fyi, someone is buying Paulides (he doesnt know who) books and attempting to resell for the crazy price.

All books can be found directly from his website for the reasonable price.

Hey Mike

It's cool, I'm hip to this discrepancy between the Paulides books on Amazon compared to his website. The price I quoted as being outrageous was from his actual website and I do remember him stating that he was in the midst of having another printing done and he apologizing for the cost. But bottom line his books usually run a respectable $29.95 and the "Hoopa Project" was only $19.95. Thanks Bro... :)

But back to the conversation at hand...


So if there appears to be a concerted effort to make sure Bigfoot has sanctuary and or habitat that is kept for him and maintained as such with no public knowledge. And if dead bigfoot bodies seem to have a elite Government recovery team that is prepared on a moments notice to swoop in and take bigfoot from public view and or is complicit in covering up and or discrediting those who have stated they have witnessed bigfoot bodies,,, doesn't it make sense that the Park Service would try to quiet down any sort of injury, death or disappearance associated or perpetuated by a Bigfoot? And furthermore doesn't it make sense that the Park Service would "NOT" save incriminating evidence in the form of "Paperwork" that is the result of injuries, deaths and or disappearances associated or perpetuated by a bigfoot?

[Tyy1907]

IS Mary Lonebear safe and well?

Safe from who? BF's or the powers that be?
As with all the other witnesses in his books, she lives side by side among them. Occasional sightings and what not, but generally keep g to themselves. I'm of the opinion the BF race is generally of the peaceful nature. However since they are a people, you get different opinions and personalities that can influence a variety of behaviors. And also the example I shared of one of them being messed with by the military perhaps they can be mind controlled. Food for thought anyway. This subject has always fascinated me to no end. Lol. I should have wrote spoiler alert before that last post. :bigsmile:

[Tyy1907]

32798327993280032801I thought I'd share another BF eyewitness testimony. For those that haven't read any of Paulides' books it shows how professional he is with his witnesses. This story in particular supports that there is a coverup going on with regards to the BF phenomenon. (Disregard the half line above Dec 2007)



TYY I freaking love you man! You come up with some of the best stuff. So this excerpt is from David Paulides "tribal bigfoot". I've never read this book, for some reason last time I checked this book was like $160.00 bucks, but I just went to his website and this book is now back down to a very reasonable $29.95. I'm buying this book it looks awesome thank you for the snippet TYY.


I really like this story you shared TYY this is an excellent addition, and I feel there should be a body of work where folks discuss the "suppressed" aspect of the bigfoot story.
We should also try and enter into the "WHY" would they suppress bigfoot, because that in and of itself should lead to some interesting correlations.


There was a guy who claimed to have laid bait out at night in Texas, anyway he claimed to have shot bigfoot and when it came time for him to show the body, there was an elaborate hoax. He claimed that the Government "took" the bigfoot and that he had to create the elaborate hoax as something to satiate folks while he was trying to get his bigfoot body back from the Government. Now this guy may not be legit, but it is my guess that if someone had a BF body it would be taken by the Government.

Thanks! There a few other gems in Tribal FYI

As far as the hoax in that goes on, I'm of the opinion that some or most of the time these hoaxes are put on as a form of counter intelligence to deceive and muddy the waters. Not saying all of them but some for sure. That's what pushes many away unfortunately. Then there's people like us that can't shake the fact that overwhelming evidence exists that they're out there. Some good some bad some mind controlled by the black military even possibly.

[DNA]

I just read this story and it seemed to answer some question for various threads I'm on right now so don't be surprised to see this post repeated.
Be patient and read the story it is a bit of a mind blower.
The story is about a man on a long hike in the Oregon Mountains and two days into his hike he feels he walked into a "trap", the trap was a door way into another dimension. The man barely escaped with his life he felt and he felt the trap was laid by a bigfoot.
The story and others like it can be found here http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/vanishing_bigfoot.html




The Trap
This account is from Larry Kelm whom I personally spoke with during a BFRO (Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization) field trip in Ruidoso, NM.
Quote: “In the fall of 1980 I ran a small business as a construction contractor in Eugene, Oregon. During the slow times and in-between jobs I would don my backpack and hiking boots and disappear into the mountains for weeks at a time enjoying the peaceful solitude of long hikes. At that time I was single and didn’t answer to anyone so I was free to do what I wanted when I wanted. On the trip in question I decided to hike the old Mollala Indian trail that followed the ridge tops from Saddle Blanket Mountain to Oakridge, one of the Native American’s favorite summer camps and trading centers. It was a beautiful August day, two days into the hike (I expected to be gone about two weeks), when literally out of the blue the most terrifying thing that ever happened to me in my life occurred. It would change my perspective of reality forever.
“I was walking along the trail enjoying the strong breeze and bright sunshine when, in the middle of a step, everything around me started to turn gray and blurry. The only way I can describe it was as if suddenly I was looking through someone else’s prescription sunglasses. I finished the step and started another. Every inch I moved forward the darkness increased and the gray blurring turned into a jumble of shapes that made no sense. I then seemed to pass a barrier and everything started to return back into focus when my foot reached the ground on the second step everything around me had changed. Day had turned into night and there was no wind. All the Douglas Fir and pine trees had been replaced with thick jungle-like growth. The cool thin mountain air was replaced with humid thick air. There were no stars in the sky, but there was a diffused light that let me see everything clearly, however I couldn’t tell what the light source was.
“As often happens when the human body receives a massive dose of adrenaline the entire incident appeared like it was in slow motion and even though I was only there for a second or two I had time to observe my surroundings. The silence was broken by [a] continuous high pitched keening sound, and I was nearly overwhelmed with a sense of fear and danger. My momentum caused me to take one more step before stopping in my tracks.
“It was at this point, I heard a whispered "Gotcha" over my right shoulder. I couldn’t tell if I heard it with my ears or inside my head. The word wasn’t directed at me but something said the word quietly to itself. I was so terrified I actually felt my heart stop for a moment. That whispered word is what saved me. I opened my mouth and gasped in a huge gush of thick air and recoiled backward in the same footsteps I had entered wherever I was. As I threw myself backward, I looked over my right shoulder. A dark colored hairy right hand and arm was reaching for my throat over my shoulder. The hand had pale ivory spade-shaped fingernails. The nails looked clean and almost had a manicured look to them. The thumb was placed lower (towards the wrist) on the hand than a human’s is. Both hand and arm were thin and powerful looking and both were covered with thick coarse black hair.
“I got a good look at it because the thumbnail grazed my neck (it did not break the skin) as I moved backwards. As I continued backwards, the hand clutched where my neck had been a split second before and it seemed to fade off into the distance as I returned through the Portal.
“I took two more steps backwards a nd everything reversed itself from what had just happened. The world around me became lighter, the fir and pines gradually came back into view and by the third step I was back on Saddle Blanket Mountain.
“I continued to move backwards in terror, and as I did, I observed that where I had just come from was a shimmering oval patch of air about the size of a large door. The woods behind it looked like it was under water. By the fifth backward step the shimmering area seemed to just evaporate and everything was back to normal. By then my lungs had nearly burst from the volume of air I had inhaled during the huge gasp I had just taken. My body felt like it was on fire from the adrenaline surge. I spun around and ran back down the trail as fast as my legs could carry me, and didn’t stop until I reached my truck. I was nearly two days getting to that place and about three hours getting back.
“On my way home I was absolutely horrified at the thought of what would happen if I were to drive my truck into something like that. It had been a trap pure and simple. Whatever it was that tried to kill me somehow kept the Portal hidden from me on the way in, and I didn’t actually see it until I was back out again. I had terrible nightmares for years, and still haven’t come to grips with what happened. My fingers are trembling and the hair is standing up on the nape of my neck as I write this.”

[Billy]

I thought I would just share this link to a very good library of UFO case files. One to have bookmarked.
http://www.ufocasebook.com/casefiles.html

[Tyy1907]

I just read this story and it seemed to answer some question for various threads I'm on right now so don't be surprised to see this post repeated.
Be patient and read the story it is a bit of a mind blower.
The story is about a man on a long hike in the Oregon Mountains and two days into his hike he feels he walked into a "trap", the trap was a door way into another dimension. The man barely escaped with his life he felt and he felt the trap was laid by a bigfoot.
The story and others like it can be found here http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/vanishing_bigfoot.html




The Trap
This account is from Larry Kelm whom I personally spoke with during a BFRO (Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization) field trip in Ruidoso, NM.
Quote: “In the fall of 1980 I ran a small business as a construction contractor in Eugene, Oregon. During the slow times and in-between jobs I would don my backpack and hiking boots and disappear into the mountains for weeks at a time enjoying the peaceful solitude of long hikes. At that time I was single and didn’t answer to anyone so I was free to do what I wanted when I wanted. On the trip in question I decided to hike the old Mollala Indian trail that followed the ridge tops from Saddle Blanket Mountain to Oakridge, one of the Native American’s favorite summer camps and trading centers. It was a beautiful August day, two days into the hike (I expected to be gone about two weeks), when literally out of the blue the most terrifying thing that ever happened to me in my life occurred. It would change my perspective of reality forever.
“I was walking along the trail enjoying the strong breeze and bright sunshine when, in the middle of a step, everything around me started to turn gray and blurry. The only way I can describe it was as if suddenly I was looking through someone else’s prescription sunglasses. I finished the step and started another. Every inch I moved forward the darkness increased and the gray blurring turned into a jumble of shapes that made no sense. I then seemed to pass a barrier and everything started to return back into focus when my foot reached the ground on the second step everything around me had changed. Day had turned into night and there was no wind. All the Douglas Fir and pine trees had been replaced with thick jungle-like growth. The cool thin mountain air was replaced with humid thick air. There were no stars in the sky, but there was a diffused light that let me see everything clearly, however I couldn’t tell what the light source was.
“As often happens when the human body receives a massive dose of adrenaline the entire incident appeared like it was in slow motion and even though I was only there for a second or two I had time to observe my surroundings. The silence was broken by [a] continuous high pitched keening sound, and I was nearly overwhelmed with a sense of fear and danger. My momentum caused me to take one more step before stopping in my tracks.
“It was at this point, I heard a whispered "Gotcha" over my right shoulder. I couldn’t tell if I heard it with my ears or inside my head. The word wasn’t directed at me but something said the word quietly to itself. I was so terrified I actually felt my heart stop for a moment. That whispered word is what saved me. I opened my mouth and gasped in a huge gush of thick air and recoiled backward in the same footsteps I had entered wherever I was. As I threw myself backward, I looked over my right shoulder. A dark colored hairy right hand and arm was reaching for my throat over my shoulder. The hand had pale ivory spade-shaped fingernails. The nails looked clean and almost had a manicured look to them. The thumb was placed lower (towards the wrist) on the hand than a human’s is. Both hand and arm were thin and powerful looking and both were covered with thick coarse black hair.
“I got a good look at it because the thumbnail grazed my neck (it did not break the skin) as I moved backwards. As I continued backwards, the hand clutched where my neck had been a split second before and it seemed to fade off into the distance as I returned through the Portal.
“I took two more steps backwards a nd everything reversed itself from what had just happened. The world around me became lighter, the fir and pines gradually came back into view and by the third step I was back on Saddle Blanket Mountain.
“I continued to move backwards in terror, and as I did, I observed that where I had just come from was a shimmering oval patch of air about the size of a large door. The woods behind it looked like it was under water. By the fifth backward step the shimmering area seemed to just evaporate and everything was back to normal. By then my lungs had nearly burst from the volume of air I had inhaled during the huge gasp I had just taken. My body felt like it was on fire from the adrenaline surge. I spun around and ran back down the trail as fast as my legs could carry me, and didn’t stop until I reached my truck. I was nearly two days getting to that place and about three hours getting back.
“On my way home I was absolutely horrified at the thought of what would happen if I were to drive my truck into something like that. It had been a trap pure and simple. Whatever it was that tried to kill me somehow kept the Portal hidden from me on the way in, and I didn’t actually see it until I was back out again. I had terrible nightmares for years, and still haven’t come to grips with what happened. My fingers are trembling and the hair is standing up on the nape of my neck as I write this.”



Definitely a vortex this gentleman stumbled into. And an apparent BF encounter obviously. I've heard of that grey fog before. On a Bermuda triangle show on discovery channel or similar. A pilot was flying two hours from Florida and when he "got through" the grey fog he was suddenly like 15 minutes from landing on a Florida airport.

[amor]

In England, UFO's are flown by underground dwelling creatures which look like DEVILS. They mutilate humans and animals and are said to move with the speed of lizards or quicker. Their UFO's are cloaked and may be right over your head and you will never know they are there. A small child three feet behind its parents in a State Park was abducted and later seen many miles away on top of a very high cliff, naked. Its skull and leg bone was found. I attribute these disappearances to the abovementioned. Yetti are also a possibility. For years, I have had the distinct feeling never to go into the bush exploring and now know that I have been psychic all along. This is a really dangerous world.

[amor]

Connecting the Dots: There is a you-tube.com video about short, devil-looking aliens which move with lightening speed who fly UFO's which come from underground and are doing animal and human mutilations. Their craft is capable of complete cloaking and soundless. They can be immediately over your head and snatch your child walking three feet behind you in the forest. There are also Yetti who can blend with the forest and are very quick and can grab a child behind your back. However, the National Park mysteries, especially the one involving a two year old child snatched and later seen by other people high on a cliff and whose bones were later found, I believe to be the work of the Devil Aliens.

[amor]

On one of Kerry Cassidy's reports, she says that the Government has allotted land to the space Aliens that are Raptors. They speak English, are very bright, but will eat humans as they are flesh eaters. When with humans, goats are kept nearby to satisfy a sudden urge of hunger.

[Tyy1907]

Here's a recent report I just found on nabigfootsearch.Com
To summarize a female bow hunter in Ohio playing on her cell phone heard the forest go dead quiet and saw a shimmering like effect moving in front of her (once again just like the Predator movie). She caught a picture of this shimmering right when it disappeared and the resulting photo was quite anomalous. Hair can be seen as well. Other people near the area saw glowing orbs in the sky.

http://www.brumac.8k.com/JANs_Phenomenon/JANs_Phenomenon.htm

[Bill Ryan]

.
Folks, it's just conceivable (though this certainly doesn't seem to fit all the apparent facts in some cases) that this might be linked. For anyone who's not seen this, please do read:

Military source: some humans are being voluntarily relocated to a Pandora-like planet round Alpha Centauri (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68493-Military-source-some-humans-are-being-voluntarily-relocated-to-a-Pandora-like-planet-round-Alpha-Centauri)

This astonishing story, that I've had a lot of attention on for some while, and most definitely rings true to me, suggests that there may be a program for humans to be relocated elsewhere — and not harmed in any way.

The story I reported started when a Swedish family all vanished from their home — complete with their family bible and tools. This appeared to be a voluntary relocation, and the astounding backstory was confirmed indirectly from a military source.

It also has to be possible that some of the relocations are INvoluntary. Imagine the Park Service (and this is ironic!) relocating, say, grizzly bears from one valley to another 200 miles way.

They'd be anesthetized, then airlifted by helicopter to a different location...... for reasons it would be quite impossible ever to explain to the bears.

[Bill Ryan]

I listened to the two Coast to Coast shows with George Knapp (and also the ConspiracyTees interview). They were linked here earlier, but here are the URLs:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=he4r3jWQjIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he4r3jWQjIA)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qOfQmhvrmhM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOfQmhvrmhM)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=36v0ZAxahmk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36v0ZAxahmk)

OMG. I'd not heard those before. David Paulides is a meticulous and articulate presenter of an avalanche of crazy, documented facts that literally boggle the mind.

Two tiny notes from dozens I could offer:

1) One story (told in the ConspiraTees interview (http://youtube.com/watch?v=36v0ZAxahmk)) was of an infant who had eventually been found, safe and well, several miles away from where they'd disappeared, on the other side of mountains that would have required 11,000 ft of ascent and descent to reach.

Sitting on my own here, listening with immense interest, I literally laughed out loud at the sheer absurdity.

2) Another concerned an area I know personally and have been to myself. Paulides described it exactly correctly. That's in this C2C interview (http://youtube.com/watch?v=he4r3jWQjIA) with George Knapp.

A young, strong and athletic British man, Myles Robinson, had disappeared in the middle of the night, midwinter, from the Swiss ski resort of Wengen, and his body had been found in Lauterbrunnen, several miles away, clearly having fallen from a height.

The problem was that it's literally impossible to get from one place to the other. The ONLY way (in winter) is by rack-and-pinion mountain railway, that only runs in the daytime. There are no roads (at all), and on snowy, icy trails it would take at least 3-4 hours. But his body was there in Lauterbrunnen an hour or so after he'd disappeared.

He had been airlifted out... it's the only conclusion.

Here he is (on the left). God knows what he experienced before he died.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46993000/jpg/_46993567_008464996-1.jpg

And the discussion about BigFoot/Sasquatch is interesting... but there are NO Bigfoots in Switzerland (or New Zealand, where other cases like this have been reported).

This has to be alien activity. Nothing else fits. (Especially the dreadful case in the C2C Urban Disappearances (http://youtube.com/watch?v=36v0ZAxahmk) interview in which a young woman's body was found in a water tank, high on a hotel roof, that was virtually SEALED. I mean, go figure.)

As I walked up the trail alone, with my dog yesterday, here in Ecuador (as remote as any US National Park, in many ways), I do admit to having felt just a little disquieted. This pattern of cases (MANY of them) is the most bewildering and disturbing collection of highly-detailed-yet-almost-crazy, 100% inexplicable, anomalies — that I've ever heard.

[Carmody]

For me, to help research some of the dimensional possibilities, I look for specific and exact location, time of day, exact date, and the exact weather for that time period, and then correlate all that to astrology, ley/vortex lines, and geology of the area where they went missing.

All those things play out in dimensional crossing and dimensional energies, regarding the entity and dimensional angles that ~may~ play into a notable number of the cases.

The only way to check for those possible correlations, is via those data sets.

[Hym]

Having a hard time describing what I know on the dramatic change in the nature of space on this planet because I have not verbalized or written about it much. I feel it. It is mid-brain, at times just above the crown, auditory, super-sensory, at times pulsing off of different areas of the body. I have always felt it, but because I've usually been alone, as others don't move that fast, there has been no need to explain it. As it happens, this unseen awareness of something based on harm, you develop a more acute awareness of it. It sends it's intent merely by it observing and you feel it. It can be a good or a very bad thing.

I first felt that bad thing one day on my way to Yosemite from a ways up north . I had been left off at a road a way above the valley above a meadow that had a road crossing it, leading into another meadow. As soon as I walked away from the road and saw the sparse woods lining the winding trail ahead I felt the presence. In the history of that upper trail I felt a lot of darkness, something I had known only in short sensations in my native mountains and foothills much further south, where the energy had been dealt with and removed, with little effect on even the most sensitive of travelers. But here there was something much more deadly, feeding off of and inducing fear.
At first I walked steadily, soaking in the energy of the woods, the warmth of the sun catching my face in the openings between the canopies. I was both aware of the softness of the trail, pine needles cushioning the path, and the instantaneous knowledge of how the softness would reduce any traction I would need to run, an acuity that you get when you run up and down many, many deer trails and also run dry and partially running river beds that are mainly made up of rocks and boulders of different sizes.

Remember that hunters are focused beings, whatever they are, and even the least of them have some awareness of how they are revealed, doing their best to not alert their prey to their intent. When they think that they have an upper hand they too forget the power of their intent to be felt by those who are aware. Describing this is odd for me, because it is describing nature and me as one growing from the other, and no words were ever needed in that relationship. There I never felt strange or separate, except that my thoughts are much more comfortable and not in need of dissection. All I can accurately say from experience is that the interactive mental reality of humans at this time, these last few centuries, is not natural to the form of the spirit it is and it's ability to blend with the nature of this earthly body. It is way off of it's intended nature, it's reason for being. It has only intensified and opened up over the past decades.

As I relaxed into what I felt was natural about this uninhabited area, at this time of the year, the sensation lasted but a few seconds at a time, a very disturbing and insistent energy. Thoughts projected also have a pulse to them and the pulse of my initial sensations began to increase. I tightened the waist belt around my fully loaded, old metal framed backpack, and for the first time tied the chest strap across. I then began to jog.

After a while jogging I encountered a beautiful mountain lake to my left, mirroring the small mountain area next to it. I had wanted to stop and camp there as had been suggested to me earlier, but the intensity of being stalked was getting stronger. It was at that moment that I decided to run, full pack or not. I was not armed enough to make it a fair fight for me, no where near it, and in the past whenever I had met an animal I would usually be able to walk right up to it.

(To tell of these peaceful connections I have had in nature here are a few of my experiences:
Dragon flies would follow me around a lake I'd run to, about 8 miles away, when I was a kid, and encircle me when I stopped. In fact, later that week at Yosemite I took a run up past the falls and dove into a clear, deep pool between the rocks and while sunbathing was soon covered with thousands of lady bugs. On a visit years later I ran ahead of my wife up the trail to the waterfalls and came upon a deer who walked up to me. I had no food, but it tried to follow me. It may do this to others also when food is sparse. In those cases I just stop and enjoy it, thinking like it's a friend, a dog pal, and we're living this together. I look away, showing trust by sitting side by side and we're both looking out at it all. I'd like to say I felt blessed but that is only in relation to not having been there, not if I'm there often when the feeling is without such contrast, meaning that city life isn't blessed and it has to be invented, being so unnatural.)

However, in those upper meadows the energy I felt wasn't there for my kind of fun. It felt very alien to me, clinical and completely unnatural. When a natural animal is stalking anything out of it's need to just survive, to eat, it puts off a very different energy than the one I felt there.

I know this because I have backtracked behind mountain lions that had started to stalk me. The problem with being in a human body is that we smell, even at our best..clean without scents..and you have to mask your smell with the plants that are in the area and always stay down wind of those. Because I have no ill intent, and don't sweat out the meat that I haven't eaten in 40 years it is much easier to stay unnoticed.

The energy of this feeling was so strong that I ran full out to get across and down into the valley. Not my kind of training trail run. I wonder how many have been "lost" in the upper mountain area and the area below it over the years. Looking at the area now on a map I see that I must have started out much further than I recalled.

[HaveBlue]

I too have heard many David Paulides interviews and agree with Bills opinion of him. It is not impossible that he is being fed at least some disinfo. The 'impossible cases' that scare us and make us not want to visit such places? It is great late night horror radio entertainment for sure. I cannot say why I enjoy such shows, but I just do , OK!

Brings to my mind (immediately) agenda 21 and the re-wilding project that involves moving all humans to cities (compounds) and preventing access to said areas such as National Parks. The BLM is leading the way in Nevada and Oregon.
Always, and once again, our PSYOP is for your safety.
The boogie man/creatures/ETs..... look, truth is we just don't want you there OK, just believe us and don't even want to come here. Or we will have to convince you in a more scary way. We have badges and uniforms and radios and guns and tasers and all that really extra super scary stuff!
There are no shops there anyway, so plan your vacations only where there is cellphone coverage and EFTPOS and spend lots of money and go into lots of debt.

[mgray]

I've communicated with Dave on this.

My thought is that the national parks were created to cordoned off these places where no one should live because of these abnormalities. It was easier than stretching 2,000 miles of yellow tape around the boundary.

Whether it is portals or abductions or some other occurrences is still up for debate. Why else would NPS not document the events.

[Bill Ryan]

I've communicated with Dave on this.

My thought is that the national parks were created to cordoned off these places where no one should live because of these abnormalities. It was easier than stretching 2,000 miles of yellow tape around the boundary.

Whether it is portals or abductions or some other occurrences is still up for debate. Why else would NPS not document the events.

It can't be that... there's a whole bunch of urban disappearances, as well, which Dave is now beginning to focus on, too; also in rural areas, which aren't National Park or National Forest areas.

In the last few days (prompted by this thread) I've been listening intently to every interview and presentation I can find on this.

It's the weirdest thing I've ever encountered. It's also really disturbing and upsetting. I think the victims suffer indescribably while still alive.

(Note for interest: I spend a LOT of time alone, with my dog — and have done in previous years — in sometimes extremely remote areas. OMG. :facepalm: )

Here are my very basic thoughts. (I have some more, too, that I could share later.) Doing a Sherlock Holmes here... it's simply where the logic leads, like it (or believe it) or not.



These people are clearly being airlifted away (or interdimensionally taken). In one of the urban cases, Elisa Lam's body was found in a hotel rooftop water tank that was for all intents and purposes inaccessible and sealed. In another case, a young man disappeared from a bar that was only accessible by elevator, which was monitored 24/7 by a security cam. He did NOT leave the bar in the elevator. He just disappeared from the room. Only interdimensional advanced technology can do these things.



They're being used for some purpose while still alive. After that's completed, they're dumped — almost always (but not in every case) found dead. (Note: those who are never found might easily have been dumped in a place never searched. Some of the victims might have been dumped while still alive, but died soon after. Often, there's no evident cause of death.)



There is high intelligence, and cold calculation involved. The abductions are 100% effective. There's never a screwup or a giveaway of any kind.



Because of the lack of co-operation from the National Park Service in response to proper FOIA requests, this might be classified as a matter of national security. As in the UFO/ET coverup that started in the late 40s, the reason might be that the intel agencies know all about it but don't properly understand it themselves — and are powerless to act or protect. But the public can't be told, as it's way too alarming.



Dr David Jacobs, whose work on ET abductions I greatly respect, has the view that whichever ETs are responsible for the 'normal' (!) abductions are basically cold, calculating and self-interested, and are in complete control. He concludes that they're essentially doing something for themselves, using humans as a resource, as we would use farm animals. We don't harm farm animals needlessly for the sake of it, but we do butcher them, or use them in other ways, when we need to or want to. Farmers never question that's what they're for.



Charles Fort famously wrote:






Would we, if we could, educate and sophisticate pigs, geese, cattle?
Would it be wise to establish diplomatic relation with the hen that now functions, satisfied with mere sense of achievement by way of compensation?

I think we're property.

I should say we belong to something:
That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something:

That something owns this earth -- all others warned off.

[Mike]

Fort also said "if there is a true universal mind, must it be sane?";) ive always liked that one.

Whatever is responsible for this is certainly alien in nature, but I wonder if it is really "aliens", in the traditional way we think of them? As humans we see so little of the superspectrum...my guess is that there are likely countless forms of life and sentience out there that we are unaware of, outside of what what we normally think of as "aliens". This could be something so mysterious and unfathomable that it actually defies logic...and any attempt at logical deduction could be futile. I dunno, I just get that hopeless, sick feeling in my stomach that this thing is 100 steps ahead of us..and always will be, despite our best efforts. Whatever it is, its motivations arent human.

Like Bill, I shudder to think of what these people endure while still alive. Although it must be said: aside from some occasional scratching, the victims bodies are in decent shape generally (when found). this might sound a little silly, but it occured to me the other day that perhaps they are frightened to death. Perhaps the terror is so great that their bodily systems simply seize up. One interesting fact, perhaps related, is that some of the victims have traces of sedative-like drugs in their system when autopsied....which, ironically, seems a little unnecessary to me when the seemingly supernatural powers of this phenomena are considered (what would they need drugs for?) Maybe i'm overthinking it, but perhaps this is simply another way the phenomena further confuses the researcher

I just don't know..

Traditional alien abductions seem more amoral...and usually return the abductee to his/her bed at night. These cases seem so much more...sinister.

it just doesnt make any sense. And maybe its not supposed to. I'm thinking of a chapter in john keels book Mothman Prophecies called 'games non people play'. There are sinister entities stuck in our time/space with nothing else to do but mess with us. faced with eternity ahead of them and nothing else to do, they use as pawns in their sick game..

[Shannon]

Elisa lam is indeed freaky as all get down. But, Bill, she was headed up to the roof and the cctv showed her talking to invisible entities before she was deemed missing. Air lifted? Idk. She doesn't have wings though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_E6l1P86U

[Mike]

Elisa lam is indeed freaky as all get down. But, Bill, she was headed up to the roof and the cctv showed her talking to invisible entities before she was deemed missing. Air lifted? Idk. She doesn't have wings though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_E6l1P86U



Thanks for posting this S Theresa! This is hard to watch, but important to see..very very creepy.

I think the hotel roof was accessible, but the water tank itself was not.....the opening could not possibly fit a human body thru it. That was the fantastical thing about that event..

The way she was moving her hands was odd(in the video)..I.got the impression she was pleading with someone...or something

[Rex]

I've read all the books, watched/listened to all the interviews, regular check the website and been in touch with Mr. Paulides from time to time. I'm not an expert or anything like that, but after all of it I don't think there's just one answer to all or most of these cases. There are definitely categories and perhaps even pockets of them. There are some that seem to have a creature/Bigfoot connection, there are some that seem to have impossible logistics (pointing to some kind of relocation), and then there's the ones near rivers/lakes in cities/towns with the victim usually drunk, etc. These cases are bizarre and there are literally thousands of them.

Don't forget the movie will be coming out:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?83802-Missing-411-The-Movie

This is the case that has troubled me the most and think of it often even after reading about it years ago:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?73559-David-Paulides-Missing-411-the-Jaryd-Atadero-case

[AriG]

There may be one explanation for the clothing being found and the bodies missing:

http://www.livescience.com/41730-hypothermia-terminal-burrowing-paradoxical-undressing.html


Terminal burrowing

It's well-known that warm-blooded hibernating animals will often dig or burrow into a small, enclosed den to spend the winter. The tight quarters surrounding their bodies can help to minimize heat loss.

Humans, in the final throes of severe hypothermia, exhibit a somewhat similar behavior known to researchers as "terminal burrowing." In a 1995 article in the International Journal of Legal Medicine, researchers from Germany described hypothermia victims "in a position which indicated a final mechanism of protection, i.e., under a bed, behind a wardrobe, in a shelf, etc."

Terminal burrowing behavior isn't widely studied or well-understood, but the German researchers described it as "obviously an autonomous process of the brain stem, which is triggered in the final state of hypothermia and produces a primitive and burrowing-like behavior of protection, as seen in hibernating animals."

Paradoxical undressing

As strange as the terminal-burrowing behavior might seem, an act called "paradoxical undressing" is even more confounding. The term describes the behavior among many victims of extreme hypothermia of peeling off most or all of their clothing, increasing heat loss. [The 14 Oddest Medical Case Reports]

When rewarming the body of a hypothermic person with the body of another person, first-aid experts often recommend that both the victim and the "rewarmer" be naked or barely dressed. This facilitates the transfer of heat from the warm person to the person with hypothermia.

But that recommendation, researchers believe, has nothing to do with paradoxical undressing. To shut down the loss of heat from the extremities, the body induces vasoconstriction, the reflexive contraction of blood vessels.

Over time, however, the muscles necessary for inducing vasoconstriction become exhausted and fail, causing warm blood to rush from the core to the extremities. This results in a kind of "hot flash" that makes victims of severe hypothermia — who are already confused and disoriented — feel as though they're burning up, so they remove their clothes, researchers have concluded.

Paradoxical undressing often occurs immediately before terminal burrowing. The researchers in Germany investigating hypothermia victims noted in their article that "the final position in which the bodies were found could only be reached by crawling on all fours or flat on the body, resulting in abrasions to the knees, elbows, etc. This crawling … happened after undressing, as there were abrasions to the skin but no damage to the corresponding parts of the removed clothing." [Top 10 Mysteries of the Mind]


Could it be possible that the people who are never found end up in a crevasse or the victims of some scavenger? Coyote, wolf, bear.. These are National Parks and generally speaking, not very safe places, especially for little ones. Anyone who has ever cared for a child knows that they can slip away in a nano second.

However, the 411 map does bear a striking resemblance to two other maps:

(1) Karst topography in the US and (2) DOD's installation map

I am not denying that between Karst topography (sink holes), the DOD and the fracking that some unbeforeseen species has not arisen from a deep and unknown cavernous space. It very well might be the scavenger that is removing the bodies.

[Gatita]

This is an interesting topic. I have reason to believe that I was abducted from, and returned to, Yellowstone as a child.

Cat

[Bill Ryan]

Elisa lam is indeed freaky as all get down. But, Bill, she was headed up to the roof and the cctv showed her talking to invisible entities before she was deemed missing. Air lifted? Idk. She doesn't have wings though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_E6l1P86U

The problem is that access to the roof was locked, with an alarm. There was no way for hotel guests to get up there.

Access to the four water tanks was only via the top of the tanks, which were quite high (vertical cylinders, if I understand it right) — and when the maintenance guy went up to the roof to investigate guests' complaints of low water pressure, he had to fetch a ladder to reach the top of the tanks.

It was then he saw Elisa Lam's naked body in one of them... which couldn't be extracted, as there wasn't a hole large enough.

They had to cut the metal tank open to get her out.

She was somehow dumped in there interdimensionally (or by teleportation: same thing). Sherlock Holmes again, with appropriate apologies to Conan Doyle.

It's the only option left — after all the impossible options have been discarded. (Discarding all the other options takes less than a minute flat if one is intellectually brave enough!)

[Bill Ryan]

Anyone who has ever cared for a child knows that they can slip away in a nano second.



One child who slipped away, in 1952, in a nano second (or less!), was found alive and well 19 hours later — 12 miles away, on the other side of two mountain ranges, and to get there he'd also have to have climbed large fences and crossed several creeks.

He was two years old. I'm not even sure I could do that myself.

Two years old? Forget it. He could hardly walk. He was lifted away by something or someone... and then dropped literally miles away, a short while later. (The 'lifting away' explains the many, many cases where highly-trained tracker dogs just can't find any scent or a trail.)

That little boy was very lucky... many have never been found, despite being so young that (in normal circumstances!) the search radius couldn't reasonably be very far.

http://projectavalon.net/Keith_Parkins.gif
Screenshot from http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yd6IpuaFtH8, 25:09

[Shannon]

There may be one explanation for the clothing being found and the bodies missing:

http://www.livescience.com/41730-hypothermia-terminal-burrowing-paradoxical-undressing.html


Terminal burrowing

It's well-known that warm-blooded hibernating animals will often dig or burrow into a small, enclosed den to spend the winter. The tight quarters surrounding their bodies can help to minimize heat loss.

Humans, in the final throes of severe hypothermia, exhibit a somewhat similar behavior known to researchers as "terminal burrowing." In a 1995 article in the International Journal of Legal Medicine, researchers from Germany described hypothermia victims "in a position which indicated a final mechanism of protection, i.e., under a bed, behind a wardrobe, in a shelf, etc."

Terminal burrowing behavior isn't widely studied or well-understood, but the German researchers described it as "obviously an autonomous process of the brain stem, which is triggered in the final state of hypothermia and produces a primitive and burrowing-like behavior of protection, as seen in hibernating animals."

Paradoxical undressing

As strange as the terminal-burrowing behavior might seem, an act called "paradoxical undressing" is even more confounding. The term describes the behavior among many victims of extreme hypothermia of peeling off most or all of their clothing, increasing heat loss. [The 14 Oddest Medical Case Reports]

When rewarming the body of a hypothermic person with the body of another person, first-aid experts often recommend that both the victim and the "rewarmer" be naked or barely dressed. This facilitates the transfer of heat from the warm person to the person with hypothermia.

But that recommendation, researchers believe, has nothing to do with paradoxical undressing. To shut down the loss of heat from the extremities, the body induces vasoconstriction, the reflexive contraction of blood vessels.

Over time, however, the muscles necessary for inducing vasoconstriction become exhausted and fail, causing warm blood to rush from the core to the extremities. This results in a kind of "hot flash" that makes victims of severe hypothermia — who are already confused and disoriented — feel as though they're burning up, so they remove their clothes, researchers have concluded.

Paradoxical undressing often occurs immediately before terminal burrowing. The researchers in Germany investigating hypothermia victims noted in their article that "the final position in which the bodies were found could only be reached by crawling on all fours or flat on the body, resulting in abrasions to the knees, elbows, etc. This crawling … happened after undressing, as there were abrasions to the skin but no damage to the corresponding parts of the removed clothing." [Top 10 Mysteries of the Mind]


Could it be possible that the people who are never found end up in a crevasse or the victims of some scavenger? Coyote, wolf, bear.. These are National Parks and generally speaking, not very safe places, especially for little ones. Anyone who has ever cared for a child knows that they can slip away in a nano second.

However, the 411 map does bear a striking resemblance to two other maps:

(1) Karst topography in the US and (2) DOD's installation map

I am not denying that between Karst topography (sink holes), the DOD and the fracking that some unbeforeseen species has not arisen from a deep and unknown cavernous space. It very well might be the scavenger that is removing the bodies.

Pauledes addresses the so called "hypothermia-paradoxical undressing "...and calls b@llsh@t.

Good post though. :)

The problem I have with scavengers is that alot of the clothing is found in such a way that the scavengers would have to be able to fold the victims clothes or arrange them in a way that they just couldn't be able to to do unless they had thumbs.

Folded clothes and body parts arranged or put in clothing all organized and arranged in certain ways.

[Althena]

Elisa lam is indeed freaky as all get down. But, Bill, she was headed up to the roof and the cctv showed her talking to invisible entities before she was deemed missing. Air lifted? Idk. She doesn't have wings though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_E6l1P86U



Thanks for posting this S Theresa! This is hard to watch, but important to see..very very creepy.

I think the hotel roof was accessible, but the water tank itself was not.....the opening could not possibly fit a human body thru it. That was the fantastical thing about that event..

The way she was moving her hands was odd(in the video)..I.got the impression she was pleading with someone...or something

More like she was treading water...

[Althena]

That hotel where Elisa was murdered has a history of nasty stuff going down but that's another thread...

Do the research on that evil place.

[Shannon]

Sorry off topic kinda..

Oh and just a little fyi about Elisa lam... That hotel "the Cecil hotel", was the infamous hotel that the night stalker lived in.

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That hotel where Elisa was murdered has a history of nasty stuff going down but that's another thread...

Do the research on that evil place.

We must have posted at the same time. Lol

[Althena]

The freaky thing about this case that a couple from the UK (("guests") complained that the water tasted "funny" after drinking the Lam juice.
This is one of the most fcuked up evil cases I have ever seen. It screws with my mind as I'm writing this.

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Sorry off topic kinda..

Oh and just a little fyi about Elisa lam... That hotel "the Cecil hotel", was the infamous hotel that the night stalker lived in.

¤=[Post Update]=¤


That hotel where Elisa was murdered has a history of nasty stuff going down but that's another thread...

Do the research on that evil place.

We must have posted at the same time. Lol

You're right Teresa, we did...

[Althena]

Sorry fokes, back to topic. But Bill brought it up and he's right. It happens all over the world, not just in the deep dark woods.

[giovonni]

Note in my region of Washington state, this vanishing person topic is big news ..
With local news and law enforcement agencies crusading in putting the message
out to the general public ... There are currently 40 active missing persons cases
in the local county - which includes both urban/suburban and wilderness ...

happening right now on the local news ...

Call our Connect Center NOW to talk to local law enforcement detectives about
any missing persons cases you have questions or info about!

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t1.0-9/10511109_1135694773128711_8556665865145842395_n.jpg?oh=13aba88a68fce5dd911fc08d052184c3&oe=5765601A

http://khq.images.worldnow.com/images/9970156_G.jpg

The National Missing and Unidentified Person’s System (NAMUS) reports 895 Washington cases in their database. Their records indicate 37 of those cases are from Spokane and Spokane County ... More here (http://www.khq.com/story/31318589/vanished-the-missing-persons-of-spokane-county)

[Althena]

Mmm, looks like the Northwest is a hot spot for these "occurrences"...

I shiver at the thought of going on so many lonely treks around those woods when I was young and stupid...

[mgray]

I've communicated with Dave on this.

My thought is that the national parks were created to cordoned off these places where no one should live because of these abnormalities. It was easier than stretching 2,000 miles of yellow tape around the boundary.

Whether it is portals or abductions or some other occurrences is still up for debate. Why else would NPS not document the events.

It can't be that... there's a whole bunch of urban disappearances, as well, which Dave is now beginning to focus on, too; also in rural areas, which aren't National Park or National Forest areas.

In the last few days (prompted by this thread) I've been listening intently to every interview and presentation I can find on this.

It's the weirdest thing I've ever encountered. It's also really disturbing and upsetting. I think the victims suffer indescribably while still alive.

(Note for interest: I spend a LOT of time alone, with my dog — and have done in previous years — in sometimes extremely remote areas. OMG. :facepalm: )

Here are my very basic thoughts. (I have some more, too, that I could share later.) Doing a Sherlock Holmes here... it's simply where the logic leads, like it (or believe it) or not.



These people are clearly being airlifted away (or interdimensionally taken). In one of the urban cases, Elisa Lam's body was found in a hotel rooftop water tank that was for all intents and purposes inaccessible and sealed. In another case, a young man disappeared from a bar that was only accessible by elevator, which was monitored 24/7 by a security cam. He did NOT leave the bar in the elevator. He just disappeared from the room. Only interdimensional advanced technology can do these things.



They're being used for some purpose while still alive. After that's completed, they're dumped — almost always (but not in every case) found dead. (Note: those who are never found might easily have been dumped in a place never searched. Some of the victims might have been dumped while still alive, but died soon after. Often, there's no evident cause of death.)



There is high intelligence, and cold calculation involved. The abductions are 100% effective. There's never a screwup or a giveaway of any kind.



Because of the lack of co-operation from the National Park Service in response to proper FOIA requests, this might be classified as a matter of national security. As in the UFO/ET coverup that started in the late 40s, the reason might be that the intel agencies know all about it but don't properly understand it themselves — and are powerless to act or protect. But the public can't be told, as it's way too alarming.



Dr David Jacobs, whose work on ET abductions I greatly respect, has the view that whichever ETs are responsible for the 'normal' (!) abductions are basically cold, calculating and self-interested, and are in complete control. He concludes that they're essentially doing something for themselves, using humans as a resource, as we would use farm animals. We don't harm farm animals needlessly for the sake of it, but we do butcher them, or use them in other ways, when we need to or want to. Farmers never question that's what they're for.



Charles Fort famously wrote:






Would we, if we could, educate and sophisticate pigs, geese, cattle?
Would it be wise to establish diplomatic relation with the hen that now functions, satisfied with mere sense of achievement by way of compensation?

I think we're property.

I should say we belong to something:
That once upon a time, this earth was No-man's Land, that other worlds explored and colonized here, and fought among themselves for possession, but that now it's owned by something:

That something owns this earth -- all others warned off.

Yes Bill but the urban ones are different. Most involve alcohol and body of water close to where they were last seen.

The park disappearances involve greater distances from where they were last seen and heights. Or sometimes at locations previously checked.

The only thing similar about the two rubrics are they are both strange disappearances.

[Tyy1907]

Well if national parks/certain wooded areas also have what the lady below describes seeing, it adds another possible dimension to these missing person cases. This was in Mississippi I think.
Starts at bout 19:58
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[AriG]

Anyone who has ever cared for a child knows that they can slip away in a nano second.



One child who slipped away, in 1952, in a nano second (or less!), was found alive and well 19 hours later — 12 miles away, on the other side of two mountain ranges that would have required 11,000 ft of ascent and descent, and to get there he'd also have to have climbed large fences and crossed several creeks.

He was two years old. I'm not even sure I could do that myself.

Two years old? Forget it. He could hardly walk. He was lifted away by something or someone... and then dropped literally miles away, a short while later. (The 'lifting away' explains the many, many cases where highly-trained tracker dogs just can't find any scent or a trail.)

That little boy was very lucky... many have never been found, despite being so young that (in normal circumstances!) the search radius couldn't reasonably be very far.

http://projectavalon.net/Keith_Parkins.gif
Screenshot from http://youtube.com/watch?v=Yd6IpuaFtH8, 25:09

I was referring to the cases where the clothing had been found and not the individuals. Your cited case cannot be that, of course.

[Bill Ryan]

.
One of the very weirdest cases (and there are MANY. MANY weird cases) is that of the 1978 disappearance of Steven Kubacki. The documented facts:



Summary: Steven Kubacki vanished for 15 months, presumed dead... then woke up in a field, hundreds of miles away, wearing different clothes.



In February 1978, Steven, a student at the time who was learning German, went missing in the Michigan area, USA — an area known as the "Great Lakes Triangle," which is written about in a book of the same name by Jay Gourley (http://www.amazon.com/The-Great-Lakes-Triangle-Gourley/dp/0449138275) that documents the disappearances of many ships, boats, and aircraft. (Paulides has stated this is an excellent book.)



Steven said he was going to go skiing. He failed to return. His skis and poles were found on the beach of Lake Michigan, with his footprints on the ice leading into the lake, one-way. The footprints abruptly stopped, and it was assumed he'd fallen through the ice (the ice having re-frozen) and drowned. His backpack was later found in the same general area.



On 5 May 1979, 15 months later, Steven walked up to his father's door and said he didn't remember much. He had woken up in Pittsfield, 40 miles from his father's house, lying in a meadow wearing clothes that weren't his. He had a small satchel beside him with maps that weren't his, either. Where he woke up was 700 miles from Lake Michigan.



Steven stated said he didn't need to talk with anyone about his highly strange experience, because he didn't have any psychological problems. After 1983, Steven got a masters in linguistics, and a PhD in clinical psychology.



Paulides has tried to get in touch with him. Steven has not responded to his calls or emails.


Wow, many times over. :facepalm:

I wrote (http://www.canammissing.com/contact_us.html) to Dave Paulides just now:




About STEVEN KUBACKI:

Dave, kudos for your most important and meticulous work.

Maybe some UNOBVIOUS questions about Steven Kubacki:


Did it seem to his family and friends that he had aged at all?
Had he lost or gained any weight?
Was his hair much longer?
Had he grown any facial hair (beard, mustache) in the 15 months missing?
(If not, how had he shaved, and who had cut his hair??)

Separately, I would STRONGLY recommend getting in touch with Courtney Brown from the Farsight Institute [ http://farsight.org ] to initiate a scientific remote viewing session on some of these cases, or the entire inexplicable situation. He can be contacted here:
http://farsight.org/farsight/contact1.html

My very best wishes ~ Bill Ryan
(Co-founder: Project Camelot, Project Avalon)

[sigma6]

note: just reading above... I think it's apparent that Elisa Lam was under some kind of influence, she was acting paranoid and trying to hide from something... and it didn't seem to be a physical being... I would only be curious in knowing her past psychological background... then she ends up dead in a water tank... we have to presume the same influence at work... chilling and horrific, something able to break through into this world and communicate with certain individuals like that?... like there is some defect in their "radio" that allows an inter-dimensional "hacker" to access their consciousness and communicate with them... it's known from studying sensory perception that things can appears outside your body (like your visual experience for example when of course all the information and actual physical experience has to technically be INSIDE your brain... doesn't make it any less real... just evidence of massive complexity and subtle influence...



I can't say too much (not sure what I am "technically" allowed to say, but this is all relatively "anonymous" anyhow...) but I just met an acquaintance/friend who says his brother became obsessed with remote viewing and now does it more or less full time and even trained under Ed Dames... and he says that he could see stations on the moon and that they hold people there as slaves, essentially against their will... He said this to me point blank with no real prompting on my part, so I was kinda taken aback... we have since had some other interesting conversations... I think he was not sure if he was supposed to share that with me, as he clearly stated later there are some things he can't share... because his brother's clients are under confidentiality agreements... of course he hasn't been clear on who ordered his brother to look in this direction or if he did it of his own accord... (he kinda pulled back a bit... on that one...)

... It sounded legit, the way he described the process his brother has to go through before he can actually do a designated "job"... it's rather complicated and would satisfy any scientific double blind procedure... very subtle... no way anyone would have made that part up...

We know there are tens of thousands of missing persons, it's been going on for decades... and may even have increased during certain periods (would like to see the stats/correlations on that...) and 1) The Government actively/passively tries to cover it up... which tells me they are privy and may even have some connection to it... (my speculation) ...and the other thing that stuck with me that Paulides said is 2) There has to be an intelligent agency behind this phenomena... because it is ALWAYS done specifically, and sometimes under incredibly tight parameters when NO ONE is looking... each and every time... without fail...

Personally I think it is multiple parties in on this... from Big Foots, alien/terrestrial agents, and also possibly some of them may be secret organizations like Satanic groups and the government... i.e. it's a bloody free for all because they can all hide under the anonymity that everyone is pointing their finger at everyone else... perfect cover and perfect application for "diffusion of responsibility" and/or "plausible deniability" ... it's even possible there may be even unspoken cooperation amongst some of these parties... This may be why it's so difficult to assess... there are multiple factors... I know from experience when trouble shooting something that others "couldn't figure out" ...I usually discover multiple factors causing the failure (which is very difficult to troubleshoot... and why they couldn't isolate any one factor... or isolate one factor but still not fix it, etc... (and lol... ;)

I think it goes without saying that government "behaviour" needs to be understood better then how Paulides is presenting it, you know he knows it's not government ineptitude, complacency or negligence... He is just being too empirical to call it what it is without direct and incontrovertible proof. Although it could be logically deduced with a high probability of accuracy.

[Atlas]

Kayelyn Louder's family insists death 'was not an accident' (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=34253343)
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[Bill Ryan]

Kayelyn Louder's family insists death 'was not an accident' (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=34253343)
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OMG, I'd not heard about that case. It exactly fits the criteria for Paulides' research on the patterns of anomalous urban disappearances. Chilling.

[DNA]

Obviously this is what David Paulides is trying to alert and educate everyone about...

As a result I started looking up everything I could find on Bigfoots on YouTube... as one of the possible lines of explanation. I listened to one interview during this time... and I came across the most interesting interview, where a biker said that he was riding when he came across a Bigfoot, I forgot how he described it... (will have to go back to it... there was something about it being hard to see, or in a tree or something...) He described how it was early in the morning and the weather was cold so they were dressed for cold riding, etc...

It was hugely insightful, because in this story, he described hearing a noise... like a woman calling out or a baby crying? ... [update: wow! I just listened to it again... he actually remembers hearing a growling sound "in retrospect" but during his "trance" he said that it was the sound of water and that it was "attracting" him!] and he didn't even remember stopping his bike to check it out!... he was so under the spell of whatever was going on that he was mesmerized, according to his recounting of this story... and then he said he recalls being drawn to it and feeling incredibly hot... so he started taking off his clothes... and he was trying to fold them up and put them into some bag he had brought with him!... he was doing this all on his own!... all the while under this strange mesmerizing influence!...

Because he was one of the better riders, he had ridden ahead of his group... and at some point during this event, where he was in a state of half undress, his friends were coming down the path and they called out to him (or something, wow I really forgot this one...) and he snapped out of it... standing there, stripped down to his jersey, a t-shirt and shoes, in 40-42 F cold wet weather... only then did he start to feel cold!...

His friends coming down the path behind him apparently caused a splash, that hit him, and this is what caused him to snap out of it... and what probably saved him... according to him, he said he wouldn't have probably remembered the entire event if he hadn't "snapped out of it"... right at that point in time (something I have experienced myself... under different circumstances of course i.e. being in one state of mind, where I think I am entirely conscious [but I am not, it's more like a dream or state of mind so focused, you are not aware of your actual surroundings... and then not realizing it until something or someone snaps you out of it, and then you are now only aware of your prior state, because you are looking at it from a different state of mind, like waking immediately from a dream and still remembering the dream... it is only at that point do you realize the dream was just that... a dream, even though, just seconds before, you were IN the dream, thinking it your "normal" conscious state!

...Which of course begs the question... just how "conscious" is our existing state? especially when I see people who are caught up in denial, hangups, repressions, anxiety, fear, they are clearly "caught" in these states and it can be very difficult to "bring them back down to earth" ... (ironically, and not to go off topic, but they need the "release" that a puff or two can give do for them)

It was part of a Bigfoot YouTube interview. I thought it was so striking, I sent it to David Paulides... (didn't hear anything back from him...?)


This story sounded so true to me, the way he described it, not over exaggerated or anything... he was not into Bigfoot at all and so this experience didn't make any sense to himself at all... very compelling and it made a LOT of sense to me! ... it means whatever these things are, they have a power over the minds of their victims, if humans can be hypnotized by other humans why can't other beings with even greater control of their minds (than most humans have)... do so something similar?... and it does explain a lot... especially the weird stuff Paulides talks about... i.e. finding people with their pants down to their ankles or all their clothes folded neatly in pile... very freaky stuff...

And these things have all been attributed to Bigfoots... and weirdly that would make them perfect agents for other worldly beings i.e. UFOs! (or whatever THEY are)... it appears they truly do walk in two different worlds... if other sentient beings exist and used telepathy then the Bigfoots would know about them and vice versa...

This was an amazing find Sigma6. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you :hail: :hail:

http://seattlefringefestival.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/11999868_10154346501708357_1677624832_n-300x245.jpg

Okay, that might be a little cheesy, but I just wanted my appreciation to be known.:)

This story in my mind exemplifies what I've thought for years. That Bigfoot is the source for most of these dissapearances. And,that if you think Bigfoot's body is dangerous, then you should really be scared of his mind.
I have a bigfoot story that my uncle Bruce has been telling me for years which I will get to in a moment. I've always thought his story went along with something Ingo Swann stated in his book "Penetration".
Ingo states that those with telepathy also have telepathy+ which is, that they can also insert thoughts and/or emotions into the minds of others as they see fit.

I'm of the opinion that all of mankind had this ability at one time, this telepathy+ but that it was bred out of us by those we mistook for as Gods.

I've been pondering the idea of what it would be like for a human being to experience freedom from the genetic prison we have been placed in.

I've read in enough places where upon I am unable to easily dismiss the idea that there have been several genetic modifications done to mankind since the initial creation of Homosapians via the Annunaki genetic adaptation of Neanderthals.

Here is the rub.
70,000 years ago scientists say mankind was reduced to a population of less than 1,000 breeding adults (http://www.npr.org/sections/krulwich/2012/10/22/163397584/how-human-beings-almost-vanished-from-earth-in-70-000-b-c) due to the eruption of the super volcano just south of Japan. Naturally we all assume this was a natural event. But the fact remains that mankind was almost entirely wiped out. It think at times like this, certain factions of ET used these incidents to their benefit. And again, it is altogether possible these events weren't natural at all. I think those sole survivors had modifications.

I don't think the modifications were upgrades in the sense that we were improved upon.
I think the upgrades had to do with limiting our awareness.
I think the upgrades were actually downgrades.
I think mankind through the course of time has had limitations placed upon him. Limitations it seems that bigfoot does not have.

So how am I making a connection with Sigma6's story, Ingo Swann and population reductions in mankind?

It has to do with my Uncle Bruce and his big foot encounter.


My uncle Bruce, a salt of the earth, backwoods country type who enjoys hunting and putting lead shot in just about anything that moves has a big foot story that has always troubled him.
The animal itself didn't trouble him as much as his docile/demure reaction to what the animal did.
What troubles Bruce is that he cannot explain why he was in his words "such a efing vagina about it" (his words not mine), he didn't do what he knows he should have done, and even now to this day you will see him get lost in thought and troubled by his percieved passivity which was so against his normal behavior, and his normal behavior would have been to put a cap in bigfoot's ass.

Long story short, Bruce was standing at the water's edge of a small lake outside of Hannibal Missouri in 1980. His buddy was fifty foot into the water on a small row boat.
While Bruce was casting his line into the water comforted by the presence of his 357 magnum revolver, a large upright hairy man came crashing through the small trees and brush, the hairy man came to the waters edge no more than twenty feet away from Bruce and began drinking from the lake. The creature must have sensed Bruce's presence, the bigfoot looked at Bruce and let out a blood curdling howl like scream while staring into the depths of my uncle's soul. Bruce stood there frozen, and as the animal bounded off back into the woods Bruce's fishing companion yelled from the boat, "Damn Bruce, I thought I was going to have to go back home and tell you're new wife that you had been eaten by a monster".
Bruce goes on to state that he remembers catching grasshoppers and using them as bait as he continued fishing.

The reaction to all of this is what is pertinent to the story.
Bruce then continued to fish for the next three hours as if nothing had ever happened. And he and his buddy NEVER talked about it again.
Bruce to this day cannot figure out why he didn't, firstly pull out his gun in case the creature attacked, and secondly he can't figure out why he didn't follow the creatures trail afterwards, and thirdly why he just stood there like nothing ever happened.
The whole thing troubles Bruce to no end. And to a man who takes any type of confrontation very seriously and reacts with the utmost male bravado and violence, this was so out of character as far as his reaction to the event that day that it has troubled him ever since.
Again I state this, Bruce was more troubled by his reaction than the Bigfoot.
And this is because, I think on a subconscious level, my uncle Bruce may know that he lost control due to some unknown force.


Now I have to correlate some Ingo Swann so I can get to Atlantis so bear with me.

Ingo Swann stated that he was under the impression from his days of inventing Remote Viewing and working for a secret branch of the intelligence agency that he had ran into what he termed non-human humans. The difference these non-human humans had from us, was that they had telepathy+. Telepathy meaning they could read your mind, the + meaning they could send a message into your mind and it would bypass your decision making process. The + meant that these folks could affect you and make you do or not do things against your will.

Most folks think these individuals Ingo ran into were aliens. I'm not so sure about that. Part of me thinks these individuals may be part of our ancient ancestors who have either hidden in underground bases for the millenias or they have off world capability, but probably both.

Now, here is the good part.

Have you ever wondered why Bigfoot has never been shot?
As many times as folks have seen bigfoot, no one can ever take a shot at the big fella. Folks always give some reason that indicates their humanity got involved because the being looked so human.
(And my uncle states that Bigfoot did not look like a gorilla at all, but instead a very human but hairy 7 foot tall man)
I do not think this is why.
Human beings, will essentially shoot at anything. Humans have no problem shooting humans for that matter.
I think it is very telling that almost no one ever so much as lifts a finger to stop or molest a big foot in any way.


Melba Ketchum, who had claimed her sequencing of Sasquatch DNA samples revealed “a hybrid cross between modern Homo sapiens in the maternal lineage and an unknown hominin male progenitor.”
I find the above quote intriguing to no end. It basically agrees with what Edgar Cayce stated about bigfoot. That bigfoot was a genetic experiment from Atlantis, one of the many genetic crosses between man and animal. Mythology is rich with these hybrid examples.

And here is where I'm trying to get to.
The Melba Ketchum DNA sequence states that bigfoot is only about 15,000 years old.
So there you go.
Bigfoot has a form of telepathy+ because he is a hold over from ancient man.
In many ways Bigfoot may be less devolved than modern humans.
Bigfoot has more of those genetics from ancient man in the form of telepathy+ than we do because he never had it bred out of him.

This is why bigfoot never gets shot, because he can mentally subdue those wishing to do him harm.
This in turn is a hint to me of what our capability must have been.
What our capabilities must be.
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I would like to add the actual video Sigma6 found concerning the story he recanted.
At 10:20 the story starts of the bike rider who saw a sasquatch and then began mentally to be told it was hot and to take his clothes of just like the Paulides stories. At 30:00 in an Oregon man by the name of John describes a sighting he had in 1949. His sighting consists of seeing Sasquatch carrying off a woman, of whom was never seen again. Also, John mentions a man who lived near the woman who disappeared, this man's body was found in his house and his head was found in the front yard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ekx9GaV-B8


For those who do not want to include Sasquatch as one of the possible explanations keep this in mind. Paulides mentions in his Missing 411 Western United States book a woman who was hiking with a friend who disappeared and was never heard from again. Paulides states the woman was carried off by a family of bigfoot as reported by her hiking companion.

[DNA]

Interview with David Paulides discussing his new MISSING 411 book "hunters".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDLJtKWVzk0
yDLJtKWVzk0

[Bill Ryan]

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To bring his interviews all up to date (excuse any overlap!), here are a couple more Coast to Coast presentations:

With George Noory, 23 March 2016:


http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Noory_with_David_Paulides_23_Mar_2016_Hour_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Noory_with_David_Paulides_23_Mar_2016_Hour_2.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Noory_with_David_Paulides_23_Mar_2016_Hour_2.mp3

With George Knapp, 31 July 2016: (DNA's post above is the first part of this)


http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Knapp_with_David_Paulides_31_July_2016_Hour_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Knapp_with_David_Paulides_31_July_2016_Hour_2.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Knapp_with_David_Paulides_31_July_2016_Hour_3.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Knapp_with_David_Paulides_31_July_2016_Hour_4.mp3

The next to last of these (hour 3 with George Knapp) is particularly fascinating, as Paulides recounts a woman bow-hunter's Sept 2015 personal experience of a shimmering 'Predator'-like creature at fairly close hand (just 15-20 feet away). This was accompanied by the entire forest going totally quiet. She took a photo with her smartphone.

Of particular note was that this was the wife, Jan, of veteran UFO researcher and image analyst Dr Bruce Maccabee. His own full report of Jan's experience is here -- including photos, and his analysis:

http://brumac.8k.com/JANs_Phenomenon/JANs_Phenomenon.htm

The key photo in question was very strangely distorted, and was in a resolution not set (or not settable!) by the camera. (Verizon, when consulted, stated that for the camera to have taken such a photo was 'impossible', yet they fully acknowledged that the camera had taken the photo.) Note that the 'hair-like' part of the image which is in focus was not Jan's hair.

Maccabee speculated that some kind of focused magnetic field (my paraphrase) might have been responsible. The significance here is not the image itself, but what happened to the image. His exact words:
This suggests then, that if the distortion were some sort of “impossible” magnetic effect, this effect was confined to a small volume of space at a distance from the camera. http://projectavalon.net/Jan_Maccabee_photo.jpg

[Dustin Naef]

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To bring his interviews all up to date (excuse any overlap!), here are a couple more Coast to Coast presentations:

With George Noory, 23 March 2016:


http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Noory_with_David_Paulides_23_Mar_2016_Hour_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Noory_with_David_Paulides_23_Mar_2016_Hour_2.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Noory_with_David_Paulides_23_Mar_2016_Hour_2.mp3

With George Knapp, 31 July 2016: (DNA's post above is the first part of this)


http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Knapp_with_David_Paulides_31_July_2016_Hour_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Knapp_with_David_Paulides_31_July_2016_Hour_2.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Knapp_with_David_Paulides_31_July_2016_Hour_3.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/C2C_George_Knapp_with_David_Paulides_31_July_2016_Hour_4.mp3

The next to last of these (hour 3 with George Knapp) is particularly fascinating, as Paulides recounts a woman bow-hunter's Sept 2015 personal experience of a shimmering 'Predator'-like creature at fairly close hand (just 15-20 feet away). This was accompanied by the entire forest going totally quiet. She took a photo with her smartphone.

Of particular note was that this was the wife, Jan, of veteran UFO researcher and image analyst Dr Bruce Maccabee. His own full report of Jan's experience is here -- including photos, and his analysis:

http://brumac.8k.com/JANs_Phenomenon/JANs_Phenomenon.htm

The key photo in question was very strangely distorted, and was in a resolution not set (or not settable!) by the camera. (Verizon, when consulted, stated that for the camera to have taken such a photo was 'impossible', yet they fully acknowledged that the camera had taken the photo.) Note that the 'hair-like' part of the image which is in focus was not Jan's hair.

Maccabee speculated that some kind of focused magnetic field (my paraphrase) might have been responsible. The significance here is not the image itself, but what happened to the image. His exact words:
This suggests then, that if the distortion were some sort of “impossible” magnetic effect, this effect was confined to a small volume of space at a distance from the camera. http://projectavalon.net/Jan_Maccabee_photo.jpg

I've followed David's books from the beginning, and had never heard of the "predator-effect" mentioned in Hunters. Weird thing is, I've experienced that phenomenon twice now as described in Hunters. The last time I was with two other people, and we were in Pluto's Cave (near Mount Shasta) when it happened--we were filming as it happened, and you can hear and see us all 'reacting' to the phenomenon, but the camera wouldn't focus on the shimmering/mirage portal (or whatever it was?) we were all seeing. How can three people have the same hallucination simultaneously? This was a few weeks before David released Hunters. He sent me a copy of his book for review, and I was blown away that other people had experienced that shimmering "predator-effect". Oddly, I wasn't freaked out when it was occurring, it just seemed very surreal. I also had Bruce Macabee look at the footage but he thought the camera was just being affected by low light, and couldn't find anything anomalous about the video itself. There is something very weird going on with this phenomenon...

[DNA]

The next to last of these (hour 3 with George Knapp) is particularly fascinating, as Paulides recounts a woman bow-hunter's Sept 2015 personal experience of a shimmering 'Predator'-like creature at fairly close hand (just 15-20 feet away). This was accompanied by the entire forest going totally quiet. She took a photo with her smartphone.

Of particular note was that this was the wife, Jan, of veteran UFO researcher and image analyst Dr Bruce Maccabee. His own full report of Jan's experience is here -- including photos, and his analysis:








I've followed David's books from the beginning, and had never heard of the "predator-effect" mentioned in Hunters. Weird thing is, I've experienced that phenomenon twice now as described in Hunters. The last time I was with two other people, and we were in Pluto's Cave (near Mount Shasta) when it happened--we were filming as it happened, and you can hear and see us all 'reacting' to the phenomenon, but the camera wouldn't focus on the shimmering/mirage portal (or whatever it was?) we were all seeing. How can three people have the same hallucination simultaneously? This was a few weeks before David released Hunters. He sent me a copy of his book for review, and I was blown away that other people had experienced that shimmering "predator-effect". Oddly, I wasn't freaked out when it was occurring, it just seemed very surreal. I also had Bruce Macabee look at the footage but he thought the camera was just being affected by low light, and couldn't find anything anomalous about the video itself. There is something very weird going on with this phenomenon...


I think it is worth noting in George Knapp's "Hunt for the Skinwalker", that there was a story reported by Mr. Gorman, the Ranch owner before NIDS took over.
A Predator story.
Mr. Gorman stated that he and his son were out working the Ranch when a vehicle came driving on to their property.
This vehicle pulled up to them and out jumps a West Coast surfer type with a quartz cystal point on a rope necklace. The man proceeds to ask Mr. Gorman if he could meditate on the property being as he has heard that it was a powerful area endowed with much energy.
Mr. Gorman nods in affirmation and shrugs to his son, pretty much stating he didn't knon what else to say.
The man spreads out a blanket, then begins burning incence and sits Indian style with his eyes closed in what appears to be a meditation.
Mr. Gorman and his son then see something that defied their ability to describe.
They watched what appeared to be a distortion that resembled the heat rising on a hot road. This distortion in the shape of a two legged being began bounding towards the surfer in meditation. Mr. Gorman and his son could only look on perplexed.
This being made of distortion reaches the surfer dude, eyes closed in meditation, lifts him off the ground and screams a horrible roar in his face. The creature then drops the surfer, and bounds off where it came from, which was a grove of cotton wood trees. Mr. Gorman attempted to calm the man down, but he was screaming hysterically, and had soiled his pants. The man who would not leg go of Mr. Gorman while screaming in terror forced Mr. Gorman to strike him with an open hand across the face.
Later, while Mr. Gorman and his son were watching television the movie Predator came on and both started screaming and pointing that this is what the saw that day.

[Bill Ryan]

...but the camera wouldn't focus on the shimmering/mirage portal (or whatever it was?) we were all seeing.

Thanks, welcome to the forum :star:, and that's a most interesting first-hand story.

Fascinating re the camera's refusal to focus. (That may have happened with Jan Maccabee, too, of course.) Autofocus works with ultrasound or infrared, and nowadays only sophisticated cameras (certainly not phones!) have a manual override.

The key thing here is that the autofocus function relies on something solid to bounce off. A weird portal phenomenon, whatever it was, might reflect or emit light so that it was visible, or partially visible, but might well not be solid enough for a camera's autofocus to work.

What would happen is that it'd either focus on the nearest solid objects behind the portal, or (maybe more probably) would get confused by inconclusive autofocus returns, and keep in trying to focus, all the way in and out.

* Here's the workaround for this, for anyone with the presence of mind to themselves stay focused :) -- if anyone's lucky (or unlucky!) enough to be in the same predicament:

With most digital cameras, depress the shutter button half way to trigger the autofocus mechanism, turn the camera to focus on something solid the same distance away, and then, keeping the shutter button half-depressed, turn back to the 'portal' and take the photo. That would actually work.

Hats off, of course, to anyone who actually does this. :bigsmile:

:focus:

[Spellbound]

Lately I've been watching quite a few of David Paulides videos for Missing 411 that have been released over the last few years. Initially it was kept mainly to US National Parks (Yosemite having the largest number of disappearances)....but I see that he has now branched out into urban disappearances as well. Many of these vanishings have things in common such as usually happening near water, some involving dogs in which the dog returns later but the missing person does not, people literally vanishing without a trace. While some of the national parks disappearances could be attributed to bigfoot/sasquatch, I think that would be a rather small % due to the lack of footprints being found. Now, I'm thinking abduction by ET's which could explain how it happens so sudden and without a trace (no footprints, some bodies that are found are found in places that were already searched multiple times previously, etc). Another reasoning behind my ET abduction theory is that there have been stories that some ET's living underground will occasionally come to the surface to abduct people as a source of food. The people who are disappearing are not dummies or drunks or drug addicts which could easily be explained....but are folks who are very smart and would normally know how to survive on their own.

So, I ask Avalon, what do you think is the cause for most of these disappearances?? Is it bigfoot/sasquatch?? Is it ET's?? Abduction for satanism?? Is it as simple as these people falling off a cliff or 4 year old children climbing mountains to be found miles away?? Is there something sinister going on here?? Or is this just a bunch of malarkey and none of it is true??

Dave - Toronto

[The Freedom Train]

There is also the satanic ritual option - wherein people go missing because they are abduucted and used as human sacrifices.

[Spellbound]

Yes. I thought of satanic abductions but that's a LOT of people to go missing...especially without a trace in the middle of no where.

Dave - Toronto

[Mike]

Couple things occured to me...

The weather phonomena I.e. how the weather turns volatile when search parties arrive - If the phenomena requires weather as a sort of camouflage, then it suggests a certain fallibilty and vulnerability to me. It would seem terrestrial. I say this because there are quite a few esoteric theories being bandied about - and I understand that! - but why would otherdimensional entities or technologically advanced UFO's need inclement weather to assist them? It doesnt make sense to me.

Also, the phenomena has a habit of abducting the last person in line (when groups are involved). This may seem like an obvious thing.....but that suggests that it can be seen with the human eye. Its trying to avoid detection by doing this.

So whatever it is isnt infallible. It has weaknesses. It can be found out. It can be seen and discovered.

[BMJ]

I agree with Khat Hanson understandings, she is a native indian medicine woman, and believes alot of the disappearances are due to the "face eater" and not at all sasquatch.

She said she spoke to David Paulides and he was not interested in her take on the situation.

I can not understand how he could be dismissive considering the native american indians would have a lot better understanding of what is going than what David Paulides does.

Link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?91656-Sasquatch-Cover-up-Does-the-Government-know-about-Sasquatch&p=1106062&viewfull=1#post1106062

[Spellbound]

Woops...my bad. I didn't realize there was already a thread on this. Thank you for merging.

Dave - Toronto

[norman]

Agenda 21 is a program to depopulate the country side, among other things.

I wonder how much these things are related to that agenda ?

Even to the extent that horrible creatures have been 'manufactured' and released out into these areas.

[Spellbound]

I've often wondered why the gov feels it necessary to control billions of acres of forest and mountains. They only allow us in on very small and controlled portions of these lands and if you are found beyond these controlled portions they herd you away, throw you out and will even arrest you.


One can't help but feel the government is involved...that they have an arrangement with these....entities.

An even more disturbing thought is that an arrangement with these entities is unnecessary...maybe the elements in government responsible for the obfuscation *are* these entities..in one form or another

David Paulides has said during a few presentations that when going out to search for people who have gone missing that FBI and/or other gov't agencies are already there...and try to act as if nothing was out of the ordinary. Paulides has usually been very surprised by this.

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

Has this Missing 411 movie been released yet?? I'm completely fascinated by this subject.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

Has this Missing 411 movie been released yet??

Not yet. It's completed, but first, they have to submit it to the film festivals. Public release may be a few more months yet.

[Bill Ryan]

Agenda 21 is a program to depopulate the country side, among other things.

I wonder how much these things are related to that agenda ?



Not at all, I don't think... reports of these disappearances go back in some cases over 100 years. Paulides has combed libraries and newspaper archives for these older accounts.


They're sporadic
They're international
The locations occur in clusters (including some urban areas)
The perpetrators show intelligence and malevolence
There's an interdimensional component to how the missing people end up in places where they have not been physically transported. (E.g. Elisa Lam, whose naked body was found in a sealed metal water tank, with only a small inspection hatch, which had to be cut open to get her out; and many other cases where the missing person could not possibly have traveled themselves to where they were eventually found. In one recent urban case, the missing person vanished from a crowded bar where the security cam showed for a clear fact that they did not leave the building physically.

In summary:

They're being plucked out of thin air
They appear to spend time 'somewhere else' (and horrifically, are often alive during that period)
They are dumped somewhere, in most cases dead, where in many cases they could not have got to themselves by any means.

[boja]

So, I ask Avalon, what do you think is the cause for most of these disappearances?? Is it bigfoot/sasquatch?? Is it ET's?? Abduction for satanism?? Is it as simple as these people falling off a cliff or 4 year old children climbing mountains to be found miles away?? Is there something sinister going on here?? Or is this just a bunch of malarkey and none of it is true??

My money is on EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL / EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL Abduction.
(Where National Parks are concerned, I believe that SASQUATCH may be ET / ED).

I agree that a serious scientific investigation is warranted into this subject (as with the UFO/ET subject in general), but sadly the Official Authorities and Governments will do everything they can to avoid that. - So no help there !

This leaves us with a Phenomenon that is obviously REAL and DANGEROUS,
but unfortunately there seems to be NOTHING that we can do about it,
except to be aware and as careful as possible.

If anyone can demonstrate any scientific facts additional to David Paulides already excellent research,
I'm sure we will all appreciate any assistance.

[Flash]

Agenda 21 is a program to depopulate the country side, among other things.

I wonder how much these things are related to that agenda ?




They're sporadic
They're international
The locations occur in clusters (including some urban areas)
The perpetrators show intelligence and malevolence
There's an interdimensional component to how the missing people end up in places where they have not been physically transported. (E.g. Elisa Lam, whose naked body was found in a sealed metal water tank, with only a small inspection hatch, which had to be cut open to get her out; and many other cases where the missing person could not possibly have traveled themselves to where they were eventually found. In one recent urban case, the missing person vanished from a crowded bar where the security cam showed for a clear fact that they did not leave the building physically.

In summary:

They're being plucked out of thin air
They appear to spend time 'somewhere else' (and horrifically, are often alive during that period)
They are dumped somewhere, in most cases dead, where in many cases they could not have got to themselves by any means.




This is very interesting Bill - when I was listening to the owner of the company that creates the D-Wave computer, he was saying in his speech that we could go to nearby dimensions with this technology, and be able to pluck resources from these dimensions and bring it back to our, for our use.

My inner comment was: F.. the cabal, always thinking of stealing stuff from others! Even other dimensions! This is the only way to get money for research it seems, telling the cabal we will be able to steal for resources.

But my second inner thought was: who tells us that other dimensions are not actually doing it to us. And mostly, who tell us that some beings in other dimensions will not START doing it to us as retaliation, once we implement this sort of thinking and vibration in the multiverse. If so, we are in big trouble with those insane greedy beings having the money and power in our own dimension.

My actual take: this is already happening to us, we are pluck for resources, by other dimensional or physical beings. Until we get strong enough to stop being farmed, which is quite an endeaviour in itself. For this, we have to be aware that we can count on ourselves, our much higher dimensional beingness, and switch to it, versus those who always steal.

I do think we need the D-Wave experiments etc. in order to escape the actual farming and theft from other dimensions, but not with the mind frame of the actual greedy cabal, which would only expand the slavery. We need to do the research for the sake of humanity itself. It has an impact of the awakening of the soul from within, for the masses. My question is how do we get rid of cabal and this greedy thinking and yet, still go further for the benefit of humanity.

[Bill Ryan]

This is very interesting Bill - when I was listening to the owner of the company that creates the D-Wave computer, he was saying in his speech that we could go to nearby dimensions with this technology, and be able to pluck resources from these dimensions and bring it back to our, for our use.



Well, actually, this is something slightly different, as best I understand. I had quantum computing explained to me once like this:

If a really difficult calculation might take a regular computer a thousand years to complete, then the quantum computer takes the problem, sidesteps into another dimension, takes a thousand years (there!) to calculate the result, and then a fraction of a second later steps back into our reality to give us the answer. (Go figure, as they say. :) )

I'm not qualified to comment on how accurate that analogy is, but it's almost certainly got nothing to do with physically traveling in or reaching into other dimensions. But ETs step in and out of other dimensions all the time -- I'd argue this to be a proven fact -- and maybe some non-human beings live in other dimensions. It may be something like the latter that's abducting and killing some people, for their own unknown reasons.

[Ewan]

This is very interesting Bill - when I was listening to the owner of the company that creates the D-Wave computer, he was saying in his speech that we could go to nearby dimensions with this technology, and be able to pluck resources from these dimensions and bring it back to our, for our use.



Well, actually, this is something slightly different, as best I understand. I had quantum computing explained to me once like this:

If a really difficult calculation might take a regular computer a thousand years to complete, then the quantum computer takes the problem, sidesteps into another dimension, takes a thousand years (there!) to calculate the result, and then a fraction of a second later steps back into our reality to give us the answer. (Go figure, as they say. :) )

I'm not qualified to comment on how accurate that analogy is, but it's almost certainly got nothing to do with physically traveling in or reaching into other dimensions. But ETs step in and out of other dimensions all the time -- I'd argue this to be a proven fact -- and maybe some non-human beings live in other dimensions. It may be something like the latter that's abducting and killing some people, for their own unknown reasons.

Earlier in this very thread The Trap (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88574-David-Paulides-research-over-1600-inexplicable-abductions-in-National-Parks-wilderness-and-urban-areas&p=1044858&viewfull=1#post1044858) from DNA.

It also reminds me of the E.E.Doc Smith Lensman series and the race who used hypnotic illusions to lure prey into their carvens where they were flayed alive as the 'creatures' fed of their fear and fading life forces.

I rather think there was mention here on Avalon of a biker who was taking his clothes of by the side of the road and about to set off across the desert only to be interrupted by his friends who caught up with him. He had been under some sort of compunction.

Its not the only case I've heard about either, though I cannot recall others just now.

[Flash]

This is very interesting Bill - when I was listening to the owner of the company that creates the D-Wave computer, he was saying in his speech that we could go to nearby dimensions with this technology, and be able to pluck resources from these dimensions and bring it back to our, for our use.



Well, actually, this is something slightly different, as best I understand. I had quantum computing explained to me once like this:

If a really difficult calculation might take a regular computer a thousand years to complete, then the quantum computer takes the problem, sidesteps into another dimension, takes a thousand years (there!) to calculate the result, and then a fraction of a second later steps back into our reality to give us the answer. (Go figure, as they say. :) )

I'm not qualified to comment on how accurate that analogy is, but it's almost certainly got nothing to do with physically traveling in or reaching into other dimensions. But ETs step in and out of other dimensions all the time -- I'd argue this to be a proven fact -- and maybe some non-human beings live in other dimensions. It may be something like the latter that's abducting and killing some people, for their own unknown reasons.

Thanks for the information - not your fault at all, but I now feel like an idiot :bigsmile:

But your explanation kind of make some sense -

In fact, if you look at all the spiritual ancient schools teachings - our higher self being very powerful yet located somewhere else - and all what is being said about reptilians being from another dimension - eating up our energies and living 1,000s or years in our view - your explanation makes sense

[ThePythonicCow]

I had quantum computing explained to me once like this:

If a really difficult calculation might take a regular computer a thousand years to complete, then the quantum computer takes the problem, sidesteps into another dimension, takes a thousand years (there!) to calculate the result, and then a fraction of a second later steps back into our reality to give us the answer. (Go figure, as they say. :) )
My take on that analogy is ... to be a bit blunt ... it's gibberish :).

A better analogy, in my view, is that quantum computing is more like holograms.

In holograms, multiple two dimensional images (how something looks, viewed from various angles) are stored in a single medium, using the variations in phase relations when that medium is viewed from different angles.

In quantum computing, multiple intermediate computation states (what happens to the calculations if some variable takes on each of several possible values) is dynamically stored in, and updated, a single medium. This way, instead of having to run each calculation, for each different value, as a separate calculation, on a separate processor, one can run many such calculations in parallel, all in one quantum processor, all at the same time.

Like the shader and texture units on present day graphics cards, this only works well for a number of parallel calculations of almost the same thing, with just a parameter or two varying.

Quantum computing (if I understand correctly) is just another, in a long line, of ways to increase the parallelism when computing highly parallelizable problems. Such solutions date back at least to Seymour Cray's vector processing units in the 1970's, such as on the Cray 1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray-1).

[Bill Ryan]

* Bill had a stab at explaining something inexplicable *

http://projectavalon.net/Time_cover.gif


...it's gibberish :).


Well, I did try! :bigsmile:

:heart:

:focus:

[Matthew]

David Paulides discovers common denominators between groups of missing people. I can understand that bigfoots might use this medium but there's more than a hunters agenda (old and sick), there looks to also be more social/political groupings to the disappearances. I wonder if this is a mix of hunters agenda and human agendas.

Here's the a youtube video of a presentation by David with the bit I'm thinking of

https://youtu.be/4rIpbPDbH0E?t=16m37s

[Spellbound]

Agenda 21 is a program to depopulate the country side, among other things.

I wonder how much these things are related to that agenda ?



Not at all, I don't think... reports of these disappearances go back in some cases over 100 years. Paulides has combed libraries and newspaper archives for these older accounts.


They're sporadic
They're international
The locations occur in clusters (including some urban areas)
The perpetrators show intelligence and malevolence
There's an interdimensional component to how the missing people end up in places where they have not been physically transported. (E.g. Elisa Lam, whose naked body was found in a sealed metal water tank, with only a small inspection hatch, which had to be cut open to get her out; and many other cases where the missing person could not possibly have traveled themselves to where they were eventually found. In one recent urban case, the missing person vanished from a crowded bar where the security cam showed for a clear fact that they did not leave the building physically.

In summary:

They're being plucked out of thin air
They appear to spend time 'somewhere else' (and horrifically, are often alive during that period)
They are dumped somewhere, in most cases dead, where in many cases they could not have got to themselves by any means.




Plucked out of thin air. That scares the bejesus out of me. In that regard, there really is nothing anyone can do to prevent it from happening to them. That's scary!!

Dave - Toronto

[Atlas]

Pauledes addresses the so called "hypothermia-paradoxical undressing "...and calls b@llsh@t.
Hypothermia in an elevator... lol... quite rare as a matter of fact (still possible though), not even credible from my point of view. There must be a simpler explanation, still waiting.

[Bill Ryan]

Paulides addresses the so called "hypothermia-paradoxical undressing "...and calls bullsh*t.


So do I. I'm a highly experienced mountaineer, well-trained and formally qualified (http://www.mountain-training.org/mountaineering/awards/mountaineering-instructor-award), with extensive experience in cold mountain environments. I've been to 21,000 ft in December on the 5th highest mountain in the world, and was the first person to ski the Italian High Level Route solo in winter. I know about this stuff.

It's bullsh*t. :)

[Dustin Naef]

This is a really interesting topic thank you, and something I've followed too from David's first missing persons book. I live in one of the cluster areas (Mount Shasta) but had no awareness this was going on before David started writing about it. I was fortunate to meet him when we did a television show about these Mount Shasta missing cases with the Travel Channel back in 2013, and he's one of the most professional and nicest guys you could ever hope to meet.

The show's theory was that these were abductions by some kind of alien race for the purposes of genetic experiments. That was the director's ideas, not Davids or my own. I personally think there could be a whole range of phenomenon behind it, with different answers and motives, and it would be hard to pin it on just one culprit.

I can also say that I've looked into this with Remote Viewers, and they are also describing it as an abduction-related scenario. In fact, they don't even like to look at these cases because these beings (whoever they are) seem to be able to sense that they're being remote viewed, and they get unwanted visitations from them.

My friend John Vivanco is a remote viewer and he's been involved in the field since it became public which he goes into in his book. Anyhow John and I have been investigating these kinds of mysteries around Mount Shasta for the past few years, and he uses Remote Viewing to look into them - in another thread I posted a video of one our explorations around Mount Shasta looking into a local legend.

David posted this article the other day I thought some of you might find it interesting:

http://www.paranormal-intelligence-agency.com/apps/blog/show/43474914-missing-411-the-mach-effect-and-parallel-dimensions-a-p-i-a-deep-black-report

If you've read David's last book (Hunters) I'm sure you're aware of the "predator-effect" he includes about Jan's story of seeing the shimmering/mirage type phenomenon. I had never heard of that before.

But earlier this summer, John and I were exploring Pluto's Cave near Mount Shasta, and we had a very similar type of experience. John was filming us with a full-spectrum camera in the cave when it seemed a portal began to open.

Something made John's camera shut down twice before he got it working again, but then it lost its ability to focus on what we were seeing.

The odd thing is whatever it was, I didn't really feel threatened by it. I have never showed this video public before, but I set it so it can be viewed here on PA, but it won't display on other sites and I'll probably take it down at some point. We were not able to capture the shimmering portal on film, the camera wouldn't focus, but you can see and hear us reacting to it.


https://vimeo.com/176785274

This happened before David's new Hunter's book came out. He sent me an advance copy of his book before it was published and my heart stopped when I read about the people who experienced this "predator-effect" because that's exactly what I saw when we were filming in the cave, and you can hear me state that I thought I was hallucinating.

We went back a few months later and it started to occur again, although we didn't go down into the cave as far, this time something took control of my camera that was set up on a tripod and left alone stationary to just film down in the cave, and something took control of it and made it pan away from the mouth of the cave when nobody was touching it. It was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. We captured that on film I can prove it happened but I don't have it on hand to show, but it will go in a future video I'm doing.

Anyway whatever's doing this does not like to be filmed it seems...

[mgray]

Which came first? The strange disappearances or the National Park designation?

I would say the former and that's why the land became The latter.

Prior to Yellowstone in 1880's no country set aside land for no future development.

You could say that's what makes America great, or you could say it was something the US had to do when it was discovered that other entities occupied the land.

[Foxie Loxie]

@ mgray...that seems to fit in with Chas. Hall & the Tall Whites.

[Shannon]

Pauledes addresses the so called "hypothermia-paradoxical undressing "...and calls b@llsh@t.
Hypothermia in an elevator... lol... quite rare as a matter of fact (still possible though), not even credible from my point of view. There must be a simpler explanation, still waiting.

Also, I'm sure you know but Many of these "hypothermia" cases he reports on, the people are found very close to their cars or somewhere they could have found shelter. There's just no case for hypothermia

[Shannon]

This is a really interesting topic thank you, and something I've followed too from David's first missing persons book. I live in one of the cluster areas (Mount Shasta) but had no awareness this was going on before David started writing about it. I was fortunate to meet him when we did a television show about these Mount Shasta missing cases with the Travel Channel back in 2013, and he's one of the most professional and nicest guys you could ever hope to meet.

The show's theory was that these were abductions by some kind of alien race for the purposes of genetic experiments. That was the director's ideas, not Davids or my own. I personally think there could be a whole range of phenomenon behind it, with different answers and motives, and it would be hard to pin it on just one culprit.

I can also say that I've looked into this with Remote Viewers, and they are also describing it as an abduction-related scenario. In fact, they don't even like to look at these cases because these beings (whoever they are) seem to be able to sense that they're being remote viewed, and they get unwanted visitations from them.

My friend John Vivanco is a remote viewer and he's been involved in the field since it became public which he goes into in his book. Anyhow John and I have been investigating these kinds of mysteries around Mount Shasta for the past few years, and he uses Remote Viewing to look into them - in another thread I posted a video of one our explorations around Mount Shasta looking into a local legend.

David posted this article the other day I thought some of you might find it interesting:

http://www.paranormal-intelligence-agency.com/apps/blog/show/43474914-missing-411-the-mach-effect-and-parallel-dimensions-a-p-i-a-deep-black-report

If you've read David's last book (Hunters) I'm sure you're aware of the "predator-effect" he includes about Jan's story of seeing the shimmering/mirage type phenomenon. I had never heard of that before.

But earlier this summer, John and I were exploring Pluto's Cave near Mount Shasta, and we had a very similar type of experience. John was filming us with a full-spectrum camera in the cave when it seemed a portal began to open.

Something made John's camera shut down twice before he got it working again, but then it lost its ability to focus on what we were seeing.

The odd thing is whatever it was, I didn't really feel threatened by it. I have never showed this video public before, but I set it so it can be viewed here on PA, but it won't display on other sites and I'll probably take it down at some point. We were not able to capture the shimmering portal on film, the camera wouldn't focus, but you can see and hear us reacting to it.


https://vimeo.com/176785274

This happened before David's new Hunter's book came out. He sent me an advance copy of his book before it was published and my heart stopped when I read about the people who experienced this "predator-effect" because that's exactly what I saw when we were filming in the cave, and you can hear me state that I thought I was hallucinating.

We went back a few months later and it started to occur again, although we didn't go down into the cave as far, this time something took control of my camera that was set up on a tripod and left alone stationary to just film down in the cave, and something took control of it and made it pan away from the mouth of the cave when nobody was touching it. It was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen. We captured that on film I can prove it happened but I don't have it on hand to show, but it will go in a future video I'm doing.

Anyway whatever's doing this does not like to be filmed it seems...

Great job and thanks for sharing. The other night I relistened to a paulades talk and he spoke about being intouch with two of the best remote viewers in the world. Neither would ever get back to him and were totally unprofessional and gave him some lame ru around. He said if any remote viewer or psychic can locate and or find one of the missing he will make them famous. It would be cool if an Avalon member stepped up to try and test there skills.

[norman]

........ The other night I relistened to a paulades talk and he spoke about being intouch with two of the best remote viewers in the world. Neither would ever get back to him and were totally unprofessional and gave him some lame ru around. He said if any remote viewer or psychic can locate and or find one of the missing he will make them famous. It would be cool if an Avalon member stepped up to try and test there skills.



I heard him say "if any government trained Remote Viewer"......

I'm getting worried. All my life I've been totally fearless in the dark out in the woods. Never could understand why so many people were terrified of the darkness. I've been far more comfortable out in the wilds on my own that trying to fit in with people. I only stopped going for 'midnight walks' since the 80s when it became more politically sensitive to be a loner out on my own at night.

These disappearances seem so supernatural that I question if being wrapped up inside a home is even any protection from it.

[skogvokter]

Hey Marcus, fyi, someone is buying Paulides (he doesnt know who) books and attempting to resell for the crazy price.

All books can be found directly from his website for the reasonable price.

Anyone outside U.S. that have ordered books on Paulides website,: http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/Bigfootstore.html knows about shipping expenses?
I did send an email, but got no answer. (this was 6 months ago)

Canam project current events update: http://www.canammissing.com/current_events.html

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[Spellbound]

I'm very much looking forward to the movie.

Dave - Toronto

[Dustin Naef]

Great job and thanks for sharing. The other night I relistened to a paulades talk and he spoke about being intouch with two of the best remote viewers in the world. Neither would ever get back to him and were totally unprofessional and gave him some lame ru around. He said if any remote viewer or psychic can locate and or find one of the missing he will make them famous. It would be cool if an Avalon member stepped up to try and test there skills.

From what little I know about Remote Viewing, I do believe you can receive valuable guidance and clues to aid any kind of investigation with it, but I don't think it would be a very practical way to find missing people or solve any kind of mystery with %100 accuracy. I think at best it can offer some guidance to help steer you in the right direction. From what I understand there's a tremendous amount of work involved in it, it's not just sitting back and going into a trance, or channeling information from the spirit world--I have heard of teams of remote viewers gathering very accurate data and intelligence on a subject, even missing persons, but we're talking multiple people (possibly up to 20 or more) all focusing on the same target independently which might take days or weeks, generating enough data from the sessions that it would fill a phone book, then someone has to go through all that data and correlate it to see what matches up, and see what doesn't. Then you take what matches up, and put all the data together and try to come up with a lead or hypothesis or answer to whatever mystery or question you're attempting to solve. I don't know who David approached or talked to, but yeah he had very disappointing results. I think maybe the Remote Viewers he talked too maybe were not upfront with either him, or themselves, about how difficult it would actually be to pin point a missing person.

In principle Remote Viewing works a little in the same way as what's called "the wisdom of crowds," where when you have many different people trying to figure out a problem they are more likely to arrive at a quicker and more accurate solution or answer than a single expert working alone.

And I'm sure the military possesses much more efficient means to secretly gather data and information and that's probably why they stopped using it, because technology can do it much easier now. Heck, as Bill suggests, they might have a quantum computer to figure all this stuff out...

[Spellbound]

Would be nice if Bill could interview Paulides sometime (with questions from Avalon thrown in for good measure).

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

On one of Kerry Cassidy's reports, she says that the Government has allotted land to the space Aliens that are Raptors. They speak English, are very bright, but will eat humans as they are flesh eaters. When with humans, goats are kept nearby to satisfy a sudden urge of hunger.

Yes, I remember Kerry's report saying that Raptors can eat humans. There may not be a lot of ET species that eat humans, but there are some. Scary thought that is very real, imo.

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

Elisa lam is indeed freaky as all get down. But, Bill, she was headed up to the roof and the cctv showed her talking to invisible entities before she was deemed missing. Air lifted? Idk. She doesn't have wings though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_E6l1P86U



Thanks for posting this S Theresa! This is hard to watch, but important to see..very very creepy.

I think the hotel roof was accessible, but the water tank itself was not.....the opening could not possibly fit a human body thru it. That was the fantastical thing about that event..

The way she was moving her hands was odd(in the video)..I.got the impression she was pleading with someone...or something

When examining the Elisa Lam case, one must look at the hotel itself. As I understand it, this is the same hotel that Richard Ramirez (Night Stalker) stayed at while murdering people in the mid 80's. This hotel, built in the mid 20's, is also the location of countless murders and suicides over the years. The Elisa Lam case is fascinating, but it's not the only strange case having to do with this hotel. There is a history with this location dating back decades.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

.
Another excellent, recent (May 2016), highest quality presentation:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhz1FMtMJJs

Paulides shares this very profound H.P. Lovecraft quote at 10:00...

http://projectavalon.net/HP_Lovecraft_quote.gif

...and after giving everyone a minute to read it, comments personally:


That quote is important to me, because I don't think we live in that 'island of ignorance'. I just think that sometimes we aren't given the knowledge to look at the entirety of what's around us.

[Spellbound]

Hi Bill,

Yes, I have this Missing 411 Canada file loaded onto a usb stick (along with other Paulides presentations) for my drive to my cottage in Quebec next weekend. Very much looking forward to listening to it.

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

My personal opinion with most of these cases, is ET or inter-dimensional beings abducting humans via portals (many times people likely don't even see the portals). This is happening in rural and urban locations. As Bill eluded to previously, these beings can literally pluck people out of thin air. As I recall, there have been bases where people have traveled through a portal to another dimension / place while talking on a cellphone....not knowing where the hell they just walked into. This could be somewhat similar to the TV show Stranger Things...kinda sorta. I have no idea for what purpose these people are being taken....or why some are returned and many aren't. It certainly warrants further investigation.

Dave - Toronto

[Ewan]

An account of timeslip from 1901, without any horror or abduction..

..hardly a portal, but at least another account of shifting dimensions, (assuming all dimensions contained within time).

From Wiki entry Jourdain_incident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moberly%E2%80%93Jourdain_incident)



According to Moberly and Jourdain, the two women decided to visit the Palace of Versailles as part of several trips. On 10 August 1901, they travelled by train to Versailles. They did not think much of the palace after touring it,[5] so they decided to walk through the gardens to the Petit Trianon.[9] On the way, they reached the Grand Trianon and found it was closed to the public.[5]

They travelled with a Baedeker guidebook, but the two women soon became lost after missing the turn for the main avenue, Allée des Deux Trianons. They passed this road, and entered a lane, where unknown to them they passed their destination.[9] Moberly noticed a woman shaking a white cloth out of a window[10] and Jourdain noticed an old deserted farmhouse, outside of which was an old plough.[10]

At this point they claimed that a feeling of oppression and dreariness came over them.[11] They then saw some men who looked like palace gardeners, who told them to go straight on. Moberly later described the men as "very dignified officials, dressed in long greyish green coats with small three-cornered hats."[12] Jourdain noticed a cottage with a woman and a girl in the doorway. The woman was holding out a jug to the girl.[10] Jourdain described it as a "tableau vivant", a living picture, much like Madame Tussauds waxworks. Moberly did not observe the cottage, but felt the atmosphere change. She wrote: "Everything suddenly looked unnatural, therefore unpleasant; even the trees seemed to become flat and lifeless, like wood worked in tapestry. There were no effects of light and shade, and no wind stirred the trees."[13]
The Comte de Vaudreuil was later suggested as a candidate for the man with the marked face allegedly seen by Moberly and Jourdain.

They reached the edge of a wood, close to the Temple de l'Amour, and came across a man seated beside a garden kiosk, wearing a cloak and large shady hat.[14] According to Moberly, his appearance was "most repulsive... its expression odious. His complexion was dark and rough."[15] Jourdain noted "The man slowly turned his face, which was marked by smallpox; his complexion was very dark. The expression was evil and yet unseeing, and though I did not feel that he was looking particularly at us, I felt a repugnance to going past him.[15] A man later described as "tall... with large dark eyes, and crisp curling black hair under a large sombrero hat" came up to them, and showed them the way to the Petit Trianon.[16]
Portrait of Marie Antoinette by Wertmüller. The figure that Moberly saw near the Petit Trianon was claimed to bear a resemblance to the Queen as depicted in this painting

After crossing a bridge, they reached the gardens in front of the palace, and Moberly noticed a lady sketching on the grass who looked at them.[17] She later described what she saw in great detail: the lady was wearing a light summer dress, on her head was a shady white hat, and she had lots of fair hair. Moberly thought she was a tourist at first, but the dress appeared to be old-fashioned. Moberly came to believe that the lady was Marie Antoinette. Jourdain, however, did not see the lady.[18]

After this, they were directed round to the entrance and joined a party of other visitors.[19] After touring the house, they had tea at the Hotel des Reservoirs before returning to Jourdain's apartment.

After leaving Versailles, neither Jourdain nor Moberly mentioned the incident to one another until a week later. Moberly wrote a letter about the trip to her sister[19] and when she got to the afternoon of the Versailles incident, she asked Jourdain if she thought the Petit Trianon was haunted. Jourdain told her that she thought it was. Three months later in Oxford, [20] they compared their notes, then decided to write separate accounts of what happened and research the history of the Trianon. In doing so, they found that on 10 August 1792, the Tuileries palace in Paris was besieged, the king's Swiss guards were massacred and the monarchy itself was abolished six weeks later.

They visited the Trianon gardens again on several occasions, but were unable to trace the path they took. Various landmarks, such as the kiosk and the bridge, were missing and the grounds were full of people. Trying to come up with an explanation, they wondered if they had stumbled across a private party or an event booked that day. However, they found that nothing had been booked that afternoon.[19] During their research, they thought they recognised the man by the kiosk as the Comte de Vaudreuil, a friend of Marie Antoinette, who herself had been thought to have been seen by Moberly.

Convinced that the grounds were haunted, they decided to publish their findings in a book An Adventure (1911) under the pseudonyms of Elizabeth Morison and Frances Lamont. The book, containing the claim that Marie Antoinette had been encountered in 1901, caused a sensation. However, many critics did not take it seriously on the grounds of the implausibilities and inconsistencies that it was thought to contain. A review of the book in the Proceedings of the Society for Psychical Research suggested that the women had misinterpreted normal events that they had experienced.[n 1] In 1903, an old map of the Trianon gardens was found and showed a bridge that the two women had claimed to have crossed that had not been on any other map.[21] The identity of the authors of An Adventure was not made public until 1931.

Both women are reported to have had many paranormal experiences before and after their adventure.[22] In one of them, Moberly claimed to have seen in the Louvre in 1914 an apparition of the Roman emperor Constantine, a man of unusual height wearing a gold crown and a toga; he was not observed by anybody else.[23] During the First World War, Jourdain, the dominant personality of the pair who had succeeded as Principal of St. Hugh's, became convinced that a German spy was hiding in the college.[24] After developing increasingly autocratic behaviour, she died suddenly in 1924 in the middle of an academic scandal over her leadership of the college, her conduct having provoked mass resignations of academic staff.[25] Moberly died in 1937.

The story of the adventure was made into a TV movie, Miss Morison's Ghosts, in 1981.[26] The BBC broadcast a 90-minute radio dramatization in 2004 and 2015

[DNA]

Which came first? The strange disappearances or the National Park designation?

I would say the former and that's why the land became The latter.

Prior to Yellowstone in 1880's no country set aside land for no future development.

You could say that's what makes America great, or you could say it was something the US had to do when it was discovered that other entities occupied the land.


I agree very much with the direction you are going here.
As Charles Forte stated back in his 1919 "The book of the damned" the only reason we aren't addressing the UFO phenomenon and treating it as the observable phenomenon that needs to be studied and recorded is because the occupants of such must have infiltrated our society's every vestige, from media, to politics to academics.
And why not the National Parks, and why not the very infancy of those parks and help to make them happen.
I look at the CIA's practice of MKULTRA and this whole pizzagate thing and part of me feels this is not human invention, black magic pedophiles from another dimension? Maybe. If so it certainly seems Forte had some kind of idea of the extent these beings manipulate and use us giving the title he gave his book an added significance.
Regardless I started a thread way back in 2012 with the aim of seeking input from folks regarding this line of thinking that National Parks were an excuse to make certain areas exempt from development, certain areas with alien bases below the surface.



David Paulides is a retired cop who found out through a conversation with a national park employee that there are a mulitude of unexplainable disappearances in U.S. national parks.

The park employee explained how there seems to be a bit of a cover up, and this led David Paulides to compile a database on what he deemed high strange disappearances in National Parks all over the United States.

I think many National Parks are placed on possible underground long time alien bases. This would serve those in the know by providing a convienent reason for why developers are not allowed to build or dig on these areas.

This connection is never mentioned by David Paulides, but I invite you to listen and connect the dots for your self.
George Knapp does the interview. It's really good.
David Paulides also has a book on the subject MISSING 411 (http://www.nabigfootsearch.com/missing_411.html)


Are National Parks A Cover For Underground Alien Bases? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?47280-Are-National-Parks-A-Cover-For-Underground-Alien-Bases)

[Foxie Loxie]

Am I correct that 80 % of Nevada is owned by the U.S. government? That says a lot in itself, if true. :confused:

[AutumnW]

Hi Bill,

Yes, I have this Missing 411 Canada file loaded onto a usb stick (along with other Paulides presentations) for my drive to my cottage in Quebec next weekend. Very much looking forward to listening to it.

Dave - Toronto

Dude...Seriously...you are going to listen to that while you drive to your cottage in the woods? :highfive:

You are MUCH braver than me. By the way, did you see the movie, based on the real life disappearance of a bunch of buddies, in the outskirts of Phoenix, at the same time the Phoenix Lights were seen by thousands? That was some scary. I forget the name of the movie, but it was eerily believable.

[Spellbound]

Hi Bill,

Yes, I have this Missing 411 Canada file loaded onto a usb stick (along with other Paulides presentations) for my drive to my cottage in Quebec next weekend. Very much looking forward to listening to it.

Dave - Toronto

Dude...Seriously...you are going to listen to that while you drive to your cottage in the woods? :highfive:

You are MUCH braver than me. By the way, did you see the movie, based on the real life disappearance of a bunch of buddies, in the outskirts of Phoenix, at the same time the Phoenix Lights were seen by thousands? That was some scary. I forget the name of the movie, but it was eerily believable.

Oh, I've got a few Paulides presentations loaded onto my usb stick for the drive (in addition to a bigfoot presentation, an Elisa Lam doc, and a C2C with Jim Marrs and Linda Moulton Howe). It's a 7 hour drive from Toronto to Ottawa, across the Ottawa River, and up into the Gatineaus. If you don't see me back posting the first week of January....get in touch with David Paulides...and Bill & his dog....and send them to the Gatineaus to look for me.

Dave - Toronto

[Flash]

Hi Bill,

Yes, I have this Missing 411 Canada file loaded onto a usb stick (along with other Paulides presentations) for my drive to my cottage in Quebec next weekend. Very much looking forward to listening to it.

Dave - Toronto

Dude...Seriously...you are going to listen to that while you drive to your cottage in the woods? :highfive:

You are MUCH braver than me. By the way, did you see the movie, based on the real life disappearance of a bunch of buddies, in the outskirts of Phoenix, at the same time the Phoenix Lights were seen by thousands? That was some scary. I forget the name of the movie, but it was eerily believable.

Oh, I've got a few Paulides presentations loaded onto my usb stick for the drive (in addition to a bigfoot presentation, an Elisa Lam doc, and a C2C with Jim Marrs and Linda Moulton Howe). It's a 7 hour drive from Toronto to Ottawa, across the Ottawa River, and up into the Gatineaus. If you don't see me back posting the first week of January....get in touch with David Paulides...and Bill & his dog....and send them to the Gatineaus to look for me.

Dave - Toronto

Not much danger there, you are on highways all along, but once at destination....... there you are in the wood alone!!! lollllllllllll

[Spellbound]

By the way, did you see the movie, based on the real life disappearance of a bunch of buddies, in the outskirts of Phoenix, at the same time the Phoenix Lights were seen by thousands? That was some scary. I forget the name of the movie, but it was eerily believable.

Are you referring to a flick called Night Skies that came out in 2007?? Group of friends travelling around in an RV when the Phoenix Lights happen. If so, yes, I have it on DVD. Good little flick, actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Skies_(2007_film)

If you are referring to a different movie, then by all means let me know. I love a good UFO flick. I watched Independence Day 2 a few months back and must say I was disappointed. Looking forward to seeing Arrival.

Dave - Toronto

[Chester]

By the way, did you see the movie, based on the real life disappearance of a bunch of buddies, in the outskirts of Phoenix, at the same time the Phoenix Lights were seen by thousands? That was some scary. I forget the name of the movie, but it was eerily believable.

Are you referring to a flick called Night Skies that came out in 2007?? Group of friends travelling around in an RV when the Phoenix Lights happen. If so, yes, I have it on DVD. Good little flick, actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Skies_(2007_film)

If you are referring to a different movie, then by all means let me know. I love a good UFO flick. I watched Independence Day 2 a few months back and must say I was disappointed. Looking forward to seeing Arrival.

Dave - Toronto

This link doesn't work (strangely) - but I was able to find it anyways on Wikipedia. Yet when I tried to post their link, it produced the same weird result.

Trying this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Skies_(2007_film)) - Worked!

Thanks AutumnW and Spellbound - wow

[AutumnW]

The movie I am talking about is called, "the Phoenix Incident". It pulls two true events, close in time and location and connects the two, like dots, using fiction. So it's part fact and part fiction. In truth, nobody knows what happened to these missing men, but the movie makes a terrifying case for a Paulides like abduction.

Check it out!

It was premiered in 2016, I think. So different from the movie than previously mentioned. It is VERY creepy. I loved it. :happythumbsup:

[Chester]

By the way, did you see the movie, based on the real life disappearance of a bunch of buddies, in the outskirts of Phoenix, at the same time the Phoenix Lights were seen by thousands? That was some scary. I forget the name of the movie, but it was eerily believable.

Are you referring to a flick called Night Skies that came out in 2007?? Group of friends travelling around in an RV when the Phoenix Lights happen. If so, yes, I have it on DVD. Good little flick, actually.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Skies_(2007_film)

If you are referring to a different movie, then by all means let me know. I love a good UFO flick. I watched Independence Day 2 a few months back and must say I was disappointed. Looking forward to seeing Arrival.

Dave - Toronto

This link doesn't work (strangely) - but I was able to find it anyways on Wikipedia. Yet when I tried to post their link, it produced the same weird result.

Trying this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Skies_(2007_film)) - Worked!

Thanks AutumnW and Spellbound - wow

Ahhh apologies, well anyways, here is the link to the Phoenix Incident (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phoenix_Incident) (Wikipedia).

[ThePythonicCow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Skies_(2007_film)

This link doesn't work (strangely) - but ...
Link fixed (a rebelious parenthesis was trying to escape ...)

[AutumnW]

Ahhhh...wait a minute. I just did more research into the documentary style movie, "the Phoenix Incidence,". The creator of the movie also seeded cyber space with fake news sites about the missing persons. He also created a special missing persons site back dated to 1997, to authenticate his false claims. Kind of uncool and callous.

There were no missing men. So the movie is pure fiction with the exception of the sighting of the Phonenix lights.

[Spellbound]

The movie I am talking about is called, "the Phoenix Incident". It pulls two true events, close in time and location and connects the two, like dots, using fiction. So it's part fact and part fiction. In truth, nobody knows what happened to these missing men, but the movie makes a terrifying case for a Paulides like abduction.

Check it out!

It was premiered in 2016, I think. So different from the movie than previously mentioned. It is VERY creepy. I loved it. :happythumbsup:

Thx Autumn. I'm downloading The Phoenix Incident right now and will bring it with me on my trip to the mountains for the holidays.

By the way, that flick that I mentioned called Night Skies is available here as a torrent: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4519460/Night_Skies-DVDRip[Eng]2007

I'm unsure if it's ok to post torrents here at Avalon. (*) If not, perhaps the mods could delete this post. It is a very good flick though.

Plot:
On March 13th, 1997 one of the largest UFO sightings ever recorded took place across the southwestern United States. The event became known as the 'Phoenix Lights' and was witnessed by community leaders, members of law enforcement, as well as thousands of everyday citizens. This true story, based on transcripts from actual hypnosis-therapy sessions, finally reveals what happened after the infamous incident ended and how six people, stranded by chance on a forgotten road, encountered more than just lights in the sky.

Dave - Toronto







* From Bill: Fine with me! :thumbsup:

[Spellbound]

Thx Bill. I wasn't sure of the policies here regarding torrents. If you (or anyone else) gets a chance, check out the flick. I was very entertained. Not a high budget movie...but very good none the less.

Dave - Toronto

[Star Tsar]

The latest from Mr Paulides

Coast To Coast AM

David Paulides - Strange Disappearances

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/images/placeholder-staticpage.jpg

Aired 13th December 2016 / Published 14th December 2016

Investigator David Paulides, who worked in the San Francisco Bay Area, Is an expert in the disproportionate number mysterious disappearances in US parks.

Open lines after David.

Program notes here: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2016/12/13

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[Spellbound]

A lot of these folks (who are found....much more aren't) are found in shallow water, a couple miles away, often missing articles of clothing. More and more I'm convinced this is ET/interdimensional related.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

A lot of these folks (who are found....much more aren't) are found in shallow water, a couple miles away, often missing articles of clothing. More and more I'm convinced this is ET/interdimensional related.


Paulides has way more than enough information to absolutely conclude that the phenomenon is interdimensional, or ultradimensional. It's completely slam-dunk obvious -- if I may venture an opinion. :)

Other conclusions that can be made, I think safely, are:


The victims spend time elsewhere -- alive -- before they're abruptly dumped.
Some authorities/ agencies/ military units know a lot about this, and are keeping it as well covered up as possible.

Who/what is doing this, and why, and why these fairly specific groups of people are targeted, is not known or currently guessable.

[norman]

A lot of these folks (who are found....much more aren't) are found in shallow water, a couple miles away, often missing articles of clothing. More and more I'm convinced this is ET/interdimensional related.


Paulides has way more than enough information to absolutely conclude that the phenomenon is interdimensional, or ultradimensional. It's completely slam-dunk obvious -- if I may venture an opinion. :)

Other conclusions that can be made, I think safely, are:



The victims spend time elsewhere -- alive -- before they're abruptly dumped.
Some authorities/ agencies/ military units know a lot about this, and are keeping it as well covered up as possible.


Who/what is doing this, and why, and why these fairly specific groups of people are targeted, is not known or currently guessable.


I agree with that, but, I still think there is a strong chance that the entities doing it are pushing the depopulation of the wilderness agenda. Agenda 21 was a plan that probably originated with these supernatural entities that can do this stuff. Penning the humans into human zones leaves large areas of the surface of the planet for "others". The Green Fascists might think "others" means the wild animals, but I'll use the word as it is without assumptions, for now.

[skogvokter]

A lot of these folks (who are found....much more aren't) are found in shallow water, a couple miles away, often missing articles of clothing. More and more I'm convinced this is ET/interdimensional related.


Paulides has way more than enough information to absolutely conclude that the phenomenon is interdimensional, or ultradimensional. It's completely slam-dunk obvious -- if I may venture an opinion. :)

Other conclusions that can be made, I think safely, are:


The victims spend time elsewhere -- alive -- before they're abruptly dumped.
Some authorities/ agencies/ military units know a lot about this, and are keeping it as well covered up as possible.

Who/what is doing this, and why, and why these fairly specific groups of people are targeted, is not known or currently guessable.

If I remember correctly, Paulides in one of his interviews said that even if this phenomenon was explained to us, we still wouldn't understand the concept of it. It was one of many theories on this subject.

It's a strange, bizarre and creepy thing for sure.

[Spellbound]

A lot of these folks (who are found....much more aren't) are found in shallow water, a couple miles away, often missing articles of clothing. More and more I'm convinced this is ET/interdimensional related.


Paulides has way more than enough information to absolutely conclude that the phenomenon is interdimensional, or ultradimensional. It's completely slam-dunk obvious -- if I may venture an opinion. :)

Other conclusions that can be made, I think safely, are:


The victims spend time elsewhere -- alive -- before they're abruptly dumped.
Some authorities/ agencies/ military units know a lot about this, and are keeping it as well covered up as possible.

Who/what is doing this, and why, and why these fairly specific groups of people are targeted, is not known or currently guessable.

Thx for your input Bill (I've wondered what your personal opinion on this was). Would be nice if someone "in the know" from a gov't agency would come forward with some inside info on this. Paulides has often said that when he (and others) go out to investigate some of these disappearances that there are already gov't agencies on site giving no indication why they are there.

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

Just out of curiosity....what is the difference between interdimensional and ultradimensional??

Dave - Toronto

[skogvokter]

Just out of curiosity....what is the difference between interdimensional and ultradimensional??

Dave - Toronto

Good question. I don't know. I like John A. Keel descreption as Ultraterrestrial instead of Extraterrestrial. These beings instead of traveling this vast distancenes, more likely are living on different frequencies.
Sure can be portals like bending time unlike whatever we can think about..

[Magnus]

The movie I am talking about is called, "the Phoenix Incident". It pulls two true events, close in time and location and connects the two, like dots, using fiction. So it's part fact and part fiction. In truth, nobody knows what happened to these missing men, but the movie makes a terrifying case for a Paulides like abduction.

Check it out!

It was premiered in 2016, I think. So different from the movie than previously mentioned. It is VERY creepy. I loved it. :happythumbsup:

Thx Autumn. I'm downloading The Phoenix Incident right now and will bring it with me on my trip to the mountains for the holidays.

By the way, that flick that I mentioned called Night Skies is available here as a torrent: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4519460/Night_Skies-DVDRip[Eng]2007

I'm unsure if it's ok to post torrents here at Avalon. (*) If not, perhaps the mods could delete this post. It is a very good flick though.

Plot:
On March 13th, 1997 one of the largest UFO sightings ever recorded took place across the southwestern United States. The event became known as the 'Phoenix Lights' and was witnessed by community leaders, members of law enforcement, as well as thousands of everyday citizens. This true story, based on transcripts from actual hypnosis-therapy sessions, finally reveals what happened after the infamous incident ended and how six people, stranded by chance on a forgotten road, encountered more than just lights in the sky.

Dave - Toronto







* From Bill: Fine with me! :thumbsup:


Dave, your torrent currently seem to lack seeders, I found another source, at the moment backed by two seeders (torrent magnet): Night Skies (2007) (magnet:?xt=urn:btih:5353e1964b9a7d8b89e27a518611385c4c8b80b1&dn=Night+Skies+2007+DVDRip+AC3+XviD-P2P&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fglotorrents.pw%3A6969%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.opentrackr.org%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Fzer0day.to%3A1337%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3A6969%2Fannounce)

[Spellbound]

** bump **

I've listened to a few more Paulides interviews over the last few weeks and I'd like to zero in on a few things:

First off, he says there have been a few disappearances in which the person was talking on their cell phone with someone as they disappeared. Usually it ends up with the disappearing person saying....oh wow....oh my God...and then nothing. Other times he says it sounds as if the cellphone was becoming more and more distant from the person speaking and disappearing. I find this interesting and should be given further investigating (when George Noory was interviewing him there were times, like this, that he went further with more questions like...did they find the phones??).

I'd also like to comment on Paulides response when asked about the Dyatlov Pass incident and he specifically says the idea of a Bigfoot (Almasty in Russia) being involved was blown waaaaaaaay out of proportion with the movie put out a few years ago called Russian Yeti - The Killer Lives. According to Paulides, it's all sensationalism and very little truth whatsoever, which doesn't surprise me because I thought the same thing (that picture being found was bogus, imo).

Another point made, which I was unaware of, is that Elisa Lam was found in the water tank with absolutely no blood (they could not get enough blood for testing). Whenever I hear of people / animals being found with no blood it strikes a chord in me as I believe this ties into entities that abduct and mutilate people/animals while alive for the purpose of special endorphin being released into the blood when when these people/animals feel pain and extreme fear. However, there is no sign of mutilation here, nor are they any signs as to how Elisa's blood was drained....no puncture wounds.

When George was questioning Paulides about his suspicions and asks him about ET's and portals, Paulides passes it off as if to say it's strange that only single people go missing and not groups if it's portals. This was another time where I wish George pushed further to ask about the possibility that the portals are opened (and closed) with intent and not stationary for everyone to walk through.

I don't think this is sasquatch related, nor do I think this is someone (human) going around doing this...no tracks found and no screams heard. I also don't think this is ET related as there have been no sightings of UFO's with these disappearances (Dyatlov Pass not withstanding as there were lights seen in the sky that night). When I put a lot of this together, it further solidifies my belief that these people are being targeted by inter-dimensional beings who have the ability to open and close portals at will and instantly. Some they keep (for whatever reason), while some they put back (for whatever reason). I'd really like to know more about those phone conversations and how they ended as these people were disappearing, as I find that fascinating along with the fact that these disappearances are happening everywhere....rural and urban...not just national parks. Further investigation warranted here and it's great that this anomaly is gaining notoriety over the last couple of years. Perhaps one day it will be addressed with some sort of whistle blower or something, as I do believe the gov't knows, at least in part, what's going on here.

Looking forward to the movie.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

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Here's Dave Paulides' presentation at the July 2016 Nexus Conference in Australia.

Professional and detailed, as always, and especially so as it was excellently illustrated throughout with good quality slides. He also fully describes a number of inexplicable disappearances in Australia, which he'd omitted from most of his US presentations. (OMG)

For me, personally, it's especially disturbing when one can clearly see the victims (of something) — who have vanished. It's hard not to start imagining what they may have experienced before they died.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_KWeUkPzIQ[/url]
At 27:20 in the next next video below (which overlaps with the one above), Dave Paulides answers questions from the Nexus audience.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfRqp5AqixE

[Spellbound]

Thx Bill....downloading this now.

Dave - Toronto

[bettye198]

I have also read about this. Maybe this has something to do with abductions off planet to colonize/use as slave labor for i.e. other planets like Mars . . . .

[Bill Ryan]

I have also read about this. Maybe this has something to do with abductions off planet to colonize/use as slave labor for i.e. other planets like Mars . . . .

No... many of the victims are killed, sometimes with small body parts found, clothes and boots carefully removed, etc etc, and often dumped in literally impossible places.

[Spellbound]

.
Here's Dave Paulides' presentation at the July 2016 Nexus Conference in Australia.

Professional and detailed, as always, and especially so as it was excellently illustrated throughout with good quality slides. He also fully describes a number of inexplicable disappearances in Australia, which he'd omitted from most of his US presentations. (OMG)

For me, personally, it's especially disturbing when one can clearly see the victims (of something) — who have vanished. It's hard not to start imagining what they may have experienced before they died.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_KWeUkPzIQ[/url]
At 27:20 in the next next video below (which overlaps with the one above), Dave Paulides answers questions from the Nexus audience.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfRqp5AqixE

In the 2nd video, around the 42-44 min mark, David talks about disappearances of people while talking on cell phones (this fascinates me). He goes on to talk about a tax auditor who was dropped off at a gas station at 2am one night....and this same guy calls his wife and leaves a voicemail at 2:30am and part of this voicemail has a growling / gurgling sound. According to Paulides, part of this voicemail was released to the public and played on C2C. Is this audio clip available anywhere?? I'd be interested to hear it. I still think this phenomenon is inter-dimensional beings with the ability to open and close portals at will and taking people (similar to the TV show called Stranger Things).

Dave - Toronto

[avid]

I found this on a search, don' t know if it's relevant
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Has the water element involved also.

[Spellbound]

Thank you so much for finding and posting this. Yes, that's the one. Interesting voicemail, to say the least. Shame we couldn't hear it in it's entirety without the news anchor talking over it. Not sure if the growls are from the man or from some other entity that is abducting him (I tend to think it's the entity growling and the man moaning). I do not think these cases are due to humans abducting other humans...it is some other intelligent entity(s) doing this. Would be very interesting if someone actually filmed something like this happening with their cellphone so we could have video. However, the audio here is very striking.

Good that this phenomenon is gaining attention in the last few years since David started looking into things and asking questions (and expanded his foray from rural to urban....and worldwide). Knowing that this could happen to anyone at anytime at anywhere....being plucked right out of the blue....gives me the heebie jeebies. No doubt the gov't knows something about this (there are often gov't agency officials at the sites of these people who have disappeared afterwards and when Paulides questions them, they play dumb).

That audio recording though....wow!!

Dave - Toronto

[avid]

Dave, I have heard this sound before, a shrill vibrating almost electric noise, definitely preying. Electric eels have this ability, but I think I have heard it in some sci-fi drama or film. My vague recollections were of some fan-necked reptoid, almost suredly from a past-watched b-movie! Hypnotising its prey, are there any sci-fi buffs out there who can clarify?
The last seconds of this film could explain the last seconds of the victim, working in strange magnetic fields (ie granite/quartz), and with an affinity to water. PHqdT0B2B68
Probably as far-fetched as far-fetched can be!!!

[Spellbound]

Well then, that certainly kicks it up a notch, doesn't it. Interesting theory. Paulides often says there are never any noises or sounds heard by others when folks disappear. If I'm right about this being inter-dimensional beings opening portals for the purpose of abduction, then I assume the noises made/heard here would be on the other side of such portals...and therefore in another dimension....in this case transmitted via a cellphone call and otherwise would not have been heard normally here within our dimension. A portal is opened, a person walks through unknowingly, and is then subdued by an attack on their nervous system thereby rendering them unable to resist. That's some twisted $hit!!

My my my...how deep this rabbit hole goes.

Dave - Toronto

[DNA]

I have also read about this. Maybe this has something to do with abductions off planet to colonize/use as slave labor for i.e. other planets like Mars . . . .

No... many of the victims are killed, sometimes with small body parts found, clothes and boots carefully removed, etc etc, and often dumped in literally impossible places.


I think it of note that many times the body parts that are found are actually bone shards.
Also, the remoteness and impossibility of where those bodies are found often lead to conjecture on how those bodies got there.
For some folks this reads of ET/UFO type abductions, but I personally do not think so, at least not entirely so.
The bone shards being the only part of the person left along with a skull cap is very telling for me.
In the wild there is nothing really that will break open your bones and eat your marrow. This is something early primitive man first learned how to do. The first upright walking humanoids known as Australopithecus were fond of scavenging the kills of big cats and eating the marrow from the bones that would be left behind. So many folks make the connection in terms of Sasquatch being an archaic human of some kind, I can't help but to think there is a correlation here.
Sasquatch also has the ability to place the bodies of those found in any of the locations those bodies have been found in. Sasquatch isn't just strong in terms of being a large human, Sasquatch has primate strength.
A male chimp can stand as tall as 3.9 ft and weigh as much as 200 lbs.
That same male chimp would be at least 4x as strong as a human male of comparable size.
So a 200lb chimp would be 4x stronger than a 200lb human male in top physical condition.
A sasquatch would then be atleast twice as big as a chimp and there for 8X stronger than a 200LB man in top physical condition.
I'm fairly certain a Sasquatch's jaw would be more than strong enough to splinter bone in order to eat the marrow.


There are factors in the Paulides Missing that correspond too much with Sasquatch.
For instance the scratches all over the bodies are almost certain to be because these people were dragged through heavy brush.
The consistency with people disappearing around berry bushes. Dogs won't track these missing and everyone is familiar with how dogs freak out around Sasquatch.
I could go on in this vein but let me contend with the one factor Sasquatch seems to be unable to account for.
The change in weather seems to be beyond the Sasquatch ability to manipulate.
And this is just too consistent with the data.


This seems to me to be a case of a controlling factor being involved.
Val Valerian states in his Matrix II book that Sasquatch are controlled by beings who live in underground bases and those same beings fly around in UFO's.
The Missing 411 books state how often folks go missing around Granite Boulders quite a bit. Paulides Australian lecture emphasizes this as well.
During my internet searches I ran into a statement by a woman who has a story from when she was a little girl.
This is from memory and I couldn't find it again so just bare with me.
This little girl said her family had a flat tire while driving up Graham Mountain just outside of Safford AZ.
While the family was changing the tire the little girl walked a bit up the mountain where she came to rest behind a granite boulder. The little girl said large furry/hairy arms came out of the granite boulder and swooshed through the air in an attempt to grab her. The woman said she knows how crazy this sounds but it was her assessment that these arms were that of a Sasquatch. The story was listed on a blog devoted to Sasquatch sightings.
This is a story from Nov 1978 from the ARPO newspaper.http://www.skinwalkerranch.org/links.html Hit part two of option 4. The story is rather long, it is a documented instance of folks living on a Ranch that was a portal zone. The actual location is not given but the story is a dead ringer for Bradshaw Ranch in Arizona or Skinwalker Ranch in the Utah Uinta basin, except the location was in Colorado(could it be the San Juan Valley?). The story goes that a rancher walked up a hill and as he got to the top there were two human like occupants of a UFO that had just landed awaiting his arrival. They talked to him and stated that they controlled the Sasquatch and could make the Sasquatch do anything they want.
It is noted by George Knapp and Colm Koehlor in hunt for the Skinwalker how Sasquatch and UFO's are so commonly seen together.
I state all of this because it appears there are those who control and coheres the Sasquatch, and from what Scott Carpenter states below, may have an enforced rule stating no interaction, much like a POW camp and or prison.
From Scott Carpenter found here http://bf-field-journal.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-bigfoot-what-is-it-really-you-not.html.
The Bigfoot/Sasquatch are reclusive and avoid direct human contact at almost any cost. They are “hyper-elusive” which borderlines on fanaticism. The question that remains unanswered is why they live this way. Is it by choice or by force? The evidence is mounting that both the subsistence existence and reclusiveness may not be by choice but coerced. The question then becomes who is enforcing this lifestyle on the Bigfoot/Sasquatch and why?Many times the behavior of the Bigfoot mimics that of someone in a prison camp. They cannot communicate with us directly so they use stones, sticks, and other forms of communication that their “over seers” will not recognize. I have read many accounts of how the POW’s in Vietnam had to communicate with each other while under the watchful eye of the prison guards. I see amazing similarities in the way the Bigfoot attempt to communicate with me and other researchers. If this is true then who are the “guards” and why are the Bigfoot under such tight surveillance?
Most folks who study UFO abductions know that the Greys seem to have no problem passing through walls in order to abduct people, and if they are the ones who control Sasquatch from time to time then it would make sense they could combine their ability to become nonsubstantive and permeable combined with the control of Sasquatch in such instances as the woman's story from Mt. Graham.

[Bill Ryan]

There are factors in the Paulides Missing that correspond too much with Sasquatch.

But not in the cities. And not in Europe. :)

[Spellbound]

I don't think this is sasquatch related. I believe in sasquatch...but this is different.

Dave - Toronto

[DNA]

There are factors in the Paulides Missing that correspond too much with Sasquatch.

But not in the cities. And not in Europe. :)
True but Paulides changes his criteria for those places many times in my opinion.
My assertion for Sasquatch is being that Paulides sticks with his original criteria for choosing cases. So as far as the books are concerned, Eastern Missing 411 and Western Missing 411 are where he establishes the criteria for choosing his cases most heavily.
He really gets away from this in Missing 411 "The devil is in the details" which I feel is his worst book because he gets away from the original criteria he used to choose cases. If we stick to the original clusters in the USA we see that they match places where Sasquatch sightings are the most frequent.

From Joe R here https://sasquatchchronicles.com/topic/missing-411-sasquatch-predation/page/2/#post-58114
I am actually in the middle of writing a book right now about aggressive sasquatch attacks and one of the things i found in doing my research was this, i looked at the cluster map that Dave Paulides had put together and i wrote down where the most concentrated clusters were located, there were many that had like a dozen or so missing people in a 5 to 10 mile square area and some in a much more concentrated area, then what i did was i went to the BFRO and looked up sighting reports in those areas and what i found floored me, almost every one of those clusters of missing people were where the highest number of sightings took place. There were many other commonalities i found ironically that you mentioned that i have put in the book. Paulides was a hardcore Sasquatch researcher before he wrote the Missing 411 books. He has written two of the absolute best Sasquatch books you will ever find, and he started the Sasquatch genome project with Melba Ketchum. The Paulides research was developed according to a Missing girl who a witness stated was carried off by a family of Sasquatch never to be seen again. This was in the Missing 411 Wesern US books.
The most difficult lesson for Paulides to learn was how poorly Sasquatch research books sell. So my guess is that Paulides found a way to market his Sasquatch research in a way as to create a little mystery and simply present the reader with the facts of the disappearance. Brilliant really and I have no problem with the subterfuge on his part in so far as this is concerned.

[Spellbound]

Paulides has been asked about Sasquatch on many occasions and has said there have not been any footprints found near these disappearances, nor has there been any sightings of Sasquatch near these disappearances. However, there has been some thought that Sasquatch could be inter-dimensional...not sure where I stand on that.

Dave - Toronto

[DNA]

Paulides has been asked about Sasquatch on many occasions and has said there have not been any footprints found near these disappearances, nor has there been any sightings of Sasquatch near these disappearances. However, there has been some thought that Sasquatch could be inter-dimensional...not sure where I stand on that.

Dave - Toronto


Sasquatch do not always leave prints. Circumstances have to be just right for decent prints to be left. Also 99% of what Paulides is doing is done through reading police reports. And last time I checked, Cops don't usually check for Sasquatch prints when doing a missing persons investigation.
Paulides also goes on to state that it seems many times dry creek and or river beds with mostly rock bottoms are often times used as a means of escape for who ever is doing the abductions.


I'm not stating the answer is easy, nor am I stating Sasquatch is 100% the culprit, but I lean towards Sasquatch doing this sort of thing.
I think abductions occur for various reasons.
There may be a right of passage type thing.
Sasquatch rapes seem to take place.
Sasquatch mothers who lose a child may abduct a human child to fill the void they are experiencing.
And I think if faced with extremely tough times Sasquatch are capable of looking at humans as a food source.
I also think Sasquatch act as emissary's of interdimensional/Space traveling UFO occupants and may abduct humans for those UFO occupants to what end we can only speculate.
Those same UFO occupants may have underground bases that need DNA diversity and they may need humans to infuse into their gene pool occasionally.

[Flash]

I found this on a search, don' t know if it's relevant
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Has the water element involved also.

Strangest noise, the kind of fast clicking gorgles sounds, sound like dracos killing - well sounds like the sounds i had been demonstrated (by a human), when they groan, they are upset but you may not die, when they kind of click, you will not live to know what happened and it will be fast.

Another potential theories: dracos who have escaped (or not) their master/king/generals and are not under control anymore, or yet, are plainly feeding. That would explain the secrecy from FBI and all 3 letters agencies.

I am truly sorry for this man who had to die this way, and all the others too, all over the world.

Now I wonder why, if it were dracos, why they need granit rocks around? and water?

[Spellbound]

I'm not stating the answer is easy, nor am I stating Sasquatch is 100% the culprit, but I lean towards Sasquatch doing this sort of thing.
I think abductions occur for various reasons.

Fair enough. I do agree that sasquatch could be responsible for some of the national parks disappearances, but for the majority overall, I think it's inter-dimensionals. Be it a sasquatch or inter-dimensionals (or both)....the reasons behind it, I'm afraid could be quite sinister (food source, DNA source, other other means). It would be interesting to know why some are put back and found later on, dead or alive.

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

Another potential theories: dracos who have escaped (or not) their master/king/generals and are not under control anymore, or yet, are plainly feeding. That would explain the secrecy from FBI and all 3 letters agencies.


As they say.....don't mention the Reptilians.

Dave - Toronto

[Flash]

Another potential theories: dracos who have escaped (or not) their master/king/generals and are not under control anymore, or yet, are plainly feeding. That would explain the secrecy from FBI and all 3 letters agencies.


As they say.....don't mention the Reptilians.

Dave - Toronto

and why not?:bigsmile::)

the click sounds betray them

[Spellbound]

Paulides talks with George Noory about the Henry McCabe disappearance and subsequent voicemail here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBjdwb1zafs

And here is a more in-depth look at the case:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ZGRH3Kl3o


Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

BrainScratch for the Elisa Lam case:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2l9lWTNL8g

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

Apparently there is a movie in production based on the Elisa Lam case called The Bringing...set for release in 2018.

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/movie/bringing_the/

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

Sorry for all the posts, but I have a huge fascination with this topic. Something IS going on here. In the final few minutes of the Paulides with George Noory clip I posted earlier, he goes on to say (again) that the FBI being involved and on site at many of these disappearances confirms that there is some sort of correlation here. Would be interesting to know what the gov't knows.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

.
This is Art Bell's one and only interview with Dave Paulides, in August 2015. It's especially recommended, primarily because of Art's impeccable, human and totally authentic style, combined with the fact that he'd deliberately not listened to any of his previous interviews, so knew little of the details of the subject.

His genuine, real-time, on-air, astonishment and bafflement at what Paulides presents make for the highest quality interview of Paulides that I've yet heard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z6a6ZYpH_8

[Mike]

Sorry for all the posts, but I have a huge fascination with this topic. Something IS going on here. In the final few minutes of the Paulides with George Noory clip I posted earlier, he goes on to say (again) that the FBI being involved and on site at many of these disappearances confirms that there is some sort of correlation here. Would be interesting to know what the gov't knows.

Dave - Toronto



Don't apologize Dave. I love this topic too! One of my favorites. I'm big on high strangeness. Keep the posts comin brother:thumbsup:

I'm halfway thru Dave's interview with Art. And its sort of a case of you dont know what youre missing until youre reminded....that type of thing ( I forgot how good Art is relative to the comparatively slower, less sharp, bland, and thoughtlessly amiable george noory. Sorry george)

What does everyone think of the staircase thing???

[NancyV]

When I had an experience with a Sasquatch walking through the wall of my bedroom in or near 1995 I thought he was an ET for many years. I have written about this a couple of years ago on Avalon but don't know where the post is. For many years I thought he was an ET because when I had telepathic connection with him he was clearly an ET.

Right when I saw him, as I was laying in bed reading at night, I got immediately angry. I said "what the EFF are you doing in my room?!!" He was around 7'-8' tall and hairy with no clothing, just lots of hair and REALLY big! LOL... I guess I'm lucky that instead of getting scared my first instinct is to get angry. He said (telepathically), while grumbling, "It's my job to watch you". Of course it was not in words but thought "bundles". I have had telepathic connections many times so I'm used to it.

I again spoke to him in words, so I could yell (LOL), "Well, I don't want you watching me so get the EFF out of my room!". He grumbled and gruffly agreed, turned around and walked out the wall. I got up to see if he was still visible in the hallway but he wasn't.

After reading this thread it seems like there could be many different kinds of Sasquatches/Bigfoot types and the one that entered my room in Southern Oregon was probably an ET as it's difficult to hide what you are or successfully lie via telepathy unless you are very disciplined and talented. It IS easier to deceive telepathically in the lower vibrational planes of existence, like 3d and the astral planes. But you have to have excellent control over your emotions and thoughts in order to deceive successfully or the being you're interacting with needs to be fairly insensitive/dull, or maybe just frightened. The guy who came into my room didn't seem very sophisticated or high in the pecking order. So he probably was assigned different jobs such as watching certain people.

:)

[Ewan]

When I had an experience with a Sasquatch walking through the wall of my bedroom in or near 1995 I thought he was an ET for many years. I have written about this a couple of years ago on Avalon but don't know where the post is. For many years I thought he was an ET because when I had telepathic connection with him he was clearly an ET.

Right when I saw him, as I was laying in bed reading at night, I got immediately angry. I said "what the EFF are you doing in my room?!!" He was around 7'-8' tall and hairy with no clothing, just lots of hair and REALLY big! LOL... I guess I'm lucky that instead of getting scared my first instinct is to get angry. He said (telepathically), while grumbling, "It's my job to watch you". Of course it was not in words but thought "bundles". I have had telepathic connections many times so I'm used to it.

I again spoke to him in words, so I could yell (LOL), "Well, I don't want you watching me so get the EFF out of my room!". He grumbled and gruffly agreed, turned around and walked out the wall. I got up to see if he was still visible in the hallway but he wasn't.

After reading this thread it seems like there could be many different kinds of Sasquatches/Bigfoot types and the one that entered my room in Southern Oregon was probably an ET as it's difficult to hide what you are or successfully lie via telepathy unless you are very disciplined and talented. It IS easier to deceive telepathically in the lower vibrational planes of existence, like 3d and the astral planes. But you have to have excellent control over your emotions and thoughts in order to deceive successfully or the being you're interacting with needs to be fairly insensitive/dull, or maybe just frightened. The guy who came into my room didn't seem very sophisticated or high in the pecking order. So he probably was assigned different jobs such as watching certain people.

:)

Nancy, do you think it is possible that ETs could do a kind of 'walk-in' with the likes of Sasquatch, sort of push him to one side and co-habit the body for the purpose of exploration/contact? It would leave the being in a safe environment whilst allowing them direct(ish) experience. I know there are other accounts of people seeing Bigfoot in the vicinity of craft and one witness describing seeing a body fall from a craft into a lake and a few minutes later a Bigfoot swam out of the lake and just disappeared into the forest. There was also one account of a Bigfoot carrying an orb (glowing? not sure, possibly even the same event).

[NancyV]

When I had an experience with a Sasquatch walking through the wall of my bedroom in or near 1995 I thought he was an ET for many years. I have written about this a couple of years ago on Avalon but don't know where the post is. For many years I thought he was an ET because when I had telepathic connection with him he was clearly an ET.

Right when I saw him, as I was laying in bed reading at night, I got immediately angry. I said "what the EFF are you doing in my room?!!" He was around 7'-8' tall and hairy with no clothing, just lots of hair and REALLY big! LOL... I guess I'm lucky that instead of getting scared my first instinct is to get angry. He said (telepathically), while grumbling, "It's my job to watch you". Of course it was not in words but thought "bundles". I have had telepathic connections many times so I'm used to it.

I again spoke to him in words, so I could yell (LOL), "Well, I don't want you watching me so get the EFF out of my room!". He grumbled and gruffly agreed, turned around and walked out the wall. I got up to see if he was still visible in the hallway but he wasn't.

After reading this thread it seems like there could be many different kinds of Sasquatches/Bigfoot types and the one that entered my room in Southern Oregon was probably an ET as it's difficult to hide what you are or successfully lie via telepathy unless you are very disciplined and talented. It IS easier to deceive telepathically in the lower vibrational planes of existence, like 3d and the astral planes. But you have to have excellent control over your emotions and thoughts in order to deceive successfully or the being you're interacting with needs to be fairly insensitive/dull, or maybe just frightened. The guy who came into my room didn't seem very sophisticated or high in the pecking order. So he probably was assigned different jobs such as watching certain people.

:)

Nancy, do you think it is possible that ETs could do a kind of 'walk-in' with the likes of Sasquatch, sort of push him to one side and co-habit the body for the purpose of exploration/contact? It would leave the being in a safe environment whilst allowing them direct(ish) experience. I know there are other accounts of people seeing Bigfoot in the vicinity of craft and one witness describing seeing a body fall from a craft into a lake and a few minutes later a Bigfoot swam out of the lake and just disappeared into the forest. There was also one account of a Bigfoot carrying an orb (glowing? not sure, possibly even the same event).

Very interesting question! LOL... I never thought of that but I always believe that anything is possible so I guess that theory is a possibility. Perhaps they are able to be either remotely/mentally controlled or inhabited by another being/consciousness.

[Spellbound]

I really don't think the majority of these Missing 411 cases are Bigfoot / Sasquatch. Paulides has said several times that there is never any indication of footprints, nor has there been any indication by the victim of being abducted (no screaming heard)...as if they literally disappeared into thin air and not being dragged off into a forest. I can understand the theory of it being Sasquatch related due to the initial prognosis that this mainly happened in national parks with forests and mountains and such....so Bigfoot would be the go-to answer. Also, Paulides himself was initially a Bigfoot guy before getting into the 411 phenomenon. However, from looking at the evidence and realizing this happens anywhere (rural / urban) leads me to believe it is more than a big hairy hominid reaching out and grabbing people. That being said, I do believe in Sasquatch, I think he/she's very real. I just don't think that's what's going on here.

My two cents...

Dave - Toronto

[skogvokter]

David Paulides on Coast to Coast AM

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MAY 13: Missing 411 Movie Premiere in Denver, CO http://www.missing-411.com/upcoming-events/

[Atlas]

In the case of Henry McCabe voicemail, the growl sounds like this one:
(a youtube comment says it's a 4 stroke engine)

Strange Growling Voicemail
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[Bill Ryan]

David Paulides on Coast to Coast AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VZEQt6lPkY



A great interview, for sure, but for those readers who got excited (like me! :) ) about a new C2C show on this more-than-fascinating subject, this was uploaded by one of the many (OMG) fake Dave Paulides channels, and is a repeat of last year's 31 July, 2016 show.

The last time Paulides was actually on Coast to Coast was 13 December, 2016.


http://coasttocoastam.com/guest/paulides-david/7318

[amor]

Regarding the remark that in these disappearances no sounds of distress are heard, many UFO reports say that when within a certain radius of the UFO the sounds of nature seem to go to complete silence. Translation: The emanations from the UFO produce sound cancelling. Therefore, someone outside of that radius will hear nothing going on within the radius. At least one of the ET culprits under my suspicion, based on material I have read, is a small reptilian creature, dark in every respect and implicated in many human mutilation cases, mostly out of England.

[mgray]

There are plenty of Paulides interviews on YouTube with March 2017 dates in the titles. Same with other topics. Just re-posting older talks.

[mgray]

My thoughts on the Missing 411 based on reading 4 of the books is that I have no idea because I keep thinking the answer lies somewhere in the middle of the Bell Curve. I firmly believe in Occam's Razor.

That said, I believe the truth lies somewhere way out at the tail(s) on the curve. Not sure I have the imagination to conceive of what is behind the abductions and deaths.

It would be great for a survivor to come forward and try to get further information through regression or other type of recall therapy, but the lack of someone willing to also speaks volumes.

Whatever technology is employed by whoever is doing this it is most likely not of this world.

[norman]

In this case ( the book series collection of cases ) even if one returnee does cooperate with investigators, the results will not extrapolate well across the entire data set Paulides has assembled into this story of missing 411. There is no primary logical reason to assume that what happened to one person is what happened to another.

[mgray]

In this case ( the book series collection of cases ) even if one returnee does cooperate with investigators, the results will not extrapolate well across the entire data set Paulides has assembled into this story of missing 411. There is no primary logical reason to assume that what happened to one person is what happened to another.

That is true Norman. But a survivor coming forward could provide a jumping off point to focus thought on a smaller range of possibilities behind the disappearances.

[skogvokter]

A great interview, for sure, but for those readers who got excited (like me! ) about a new C2C show on this more-than-fascinating subject, this was uploaded by one of the many (OMG) fake Dave Paulides channels, and is a repeat of last year's 31 July, 2016 show.

Yep,sorry about that.

The last time Paulides was actually on Coast to Coast was 13 December, 2016.
http://coasttocoastam.com/guest/paulides-david/7318


There are plenty of Paulides interviews on YouTube with March 2017 dates in the titles. Same with other topics. Just re-posting older talks.

I did realize that after posting that video. I haven't following Paulides work for some time and thought it was a new interview.
I hope at least I got that 411 movie release right. I see myself out...

[Atlas]

Kayelyn Louder's family insists death 'was not an accident' (http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=34253343)
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OMG, I'd not heard about that case. It exactly fits the criteria for Paulides' research on the patterns of anomalous urban disappearances. Chilling.
Elisa Lam, Kayelin Louder, and here we go again: Emma Fillipoff, watch her strange behavior caught on CCTV @1:13 and even weirder @12:25:

Finding Emma Fillipoff - the fifth estate
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wikipedia.org/Disappearance of Emma Fillipoff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Emma_Fillipoff)
http://victoriabuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/REWARD-POSTER.jpg.opt742x960o00s742x960.jpg

[norman]

One of Emma's last journal writings




Some have said to me, You are free

I am love, and I am not free

I will not be free until the world is free

Hell is all around me



waw.

[Atlas]

[...] the 1978 disappearance of Steven Kubacki.
From https://newspaperarchive.com/lowell-sun-may-08-1979-p-5/
https://s22.postimg.org/68soa2f4x/steven-kubacki.jpg
click to enlarge (https://s22.postimg.org/68soa2f4x/steven-kubacki.jpg)

[Atlas]

Another 3 year-old who disappeared:


On October 18, 1984, three-and-a-half-year-old Laura Bradbury disappeared from her family's campsite at Indian Cove Campground in Joshua Tree National Park. (source (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Laura_Bradbury))

Same area, quite a few years later:


On Thursday, June 24, 2010 Bill Ewasko disappeared in Joshua Tree National Park. Around 5 pm on Saturday, a search helicopter spotted his rental car at the Juniper Flats trailhead parking area. (source (https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/2yj53i/where_is_bill_ewasko_missing_since_june_25_2010/))

Again, same place:


The body of a missing park visitor was found at Joshua Tree National Park Wednesday evening, June 6 (2012) [...] Initial reports indicated that the missing party was staying at Indian Cove Campground (source (https://www.nps.gov/jotr/learn/news/canadian_found.htm))

And again, maybe a 'hotspot'?


November 17, 2016: No Sign of Missing L.A. Couple in Joshua Tree National Park (source (https://www.nps.gov/jotr/learn/news/nosignofmissingcouple.htm))

[mgray]

I posted this on a Bigfoot map thread, but it may have been missed by Paulides enthusiast there.

It shows a map of Bigfoot sightings and then I linked to the Missing 411 cluster map. The overlap is significant.

http://www.livescience.com/39785-bigfoot-map-sasquatch-sightings-gis.html

If you take the map above and mentally lay it over David Paulides cluster map (https://www.google.com/search?q=missing+411+map&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW8rzFvIbTAhVG64MKHYfXBdAQsAQIGw&biw=1920&bih=945#imgrc=0yOVNKEb9TUTOM:) of disappearances there is a high corollary between the two.

Edited: Link fixed

[norman]

The livescience link isn't working for me. It could be my own problem, my old Windows XP system is throwing all kinds of nasty surprised at me lately.

[avid]

Oops, can find link messaged.
Please livescience link na, thanks






Mod edit from Bill: I'm not sure I understood that, but I assume it was something to do with the broken link! Fixed now... it's


http://livescience.com/39785-bigfoot-map-sasquatch-sightings-gis.html

[Atlas]

The link is this one: http://www.livescience.com/39785-bigfoot-map-sasquatch-sightings-gis.html from this thread: projectavalon.net/A Map of Bigfoot Sightings/Distribution (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63654-A-Map-of-Bigfoot-Sightings-Distribution)

The bigfoot map is here: http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/SquatchWatch92YearsofBigfootSightingsintheUSandCanada_523b7482cc497.png


If you take the map above and mentally lay it over David Paulides cluster map (https://www.google.com/search?q=missing+411+map&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW8rzFvIbTAhVG64MKHYfXBdAQsAQIGw&biw=1920&bih=945#imgrc=0yOVNKEb9TUTOM:) of disappearances there is a high corollary between the two.
Here is what you get:
https://s24.postimg.org/oaxwvvo2d/paulides-and-bigfoot.jpg

[norman]

They look like the same data set. So much so, that I can't help asking if it IS the same data set, by mistake.

[Bill Ryan]

It shows a map of Bigfoot sightings and then I linked to the Missing 411 cluster map. The overlap is significant.



Well, the overlap is very interesting! And many thanks for that. :thumbsup:

But correlation doesn't imply causation. The commonality might simply be the incidence of forested areas. A map of bear encounters might look exactly the same.

[Atlas]

Here is a highly strange case that matches Paulides criteria, I show the location using the bigfoot map below:
https://s24.postimg.org/d7iivbfit/sd-411-case.jpg

The deaths of Arnold Archambeau and Ruby Bruguier are especially perplexing. They were involved in a car crash with Ruby's cousin, Tina, on December 12, 1992. While Tina was found in the crashed car and saved by law enforcement that night, it appears that Ruby escaped from the car, closing the door behind her. Both Arnold and Ruby were nowhere to be found after the accident. Months went by with no sign of them.

In March 1993, the bodies of Arnold and Ruby were found. Most concerning, perhaps, was that the bodies were found in the same ditch where their car had crashed three months prior. Even more peculiar, each of the bodies was at a different level of decomposition. It was impossible to determine when they died. Friends of Arnold claim to have seen him in the months between the accident and the discovery of his body. (source (http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/south-dakota/unsolved-mysteries-sd/))

The Mysterious Death of Arnold Archambeau & Ruby Bruguier
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[Atlas]

Had he lost or gained any weight?
Was his hair much longer?
Had he grown any facial hair (beard, mustache) in the 15 months missing?


In 2001, Amy Rylance was abducted by aliens and according to her housemate Petra Hella, an eyewitness, she went floating through the window carried on a beam of light. Approximately ninety minutes after Petra witnessed the supposed abduction, Amy was found disorientated and covered in mud some 790 kms (490 miles) away.

Ms Rylance said that she had been abducted for days and when Mackay hospital staff examined her they found that she hadn't eaten for days, and her usually shaved bodily hair had grown considerably.

gpCn4bVer88

[Shannon]

Had he lost or gained any weight?
Was his hair much longer?
Had he grown any facial hair (beard, mustache) in the 15 months missing?


In 2001, Amy Rylance was abducted by aliens and according to her housemate Petra Hella, an eyewitness, she went floating through the window carried on a beam of light. Approximately ninety minutes after Petra witnessed the supposed abduction, Amy was found disorientated and covered in mud some 790 kms (490 miles) away.

Ms Rylance said that she had been abducted for days and when Mackay hospital staff examined her they found that she hadn't eaten for days, and her usually shaved bodily hair had grown considerably.

gpCn4bVer88

Man alive that cop (or sheriff ), was a total jerk off. He couldn't hold back his pretentious almost giddy laughter.

[Atlas]

And this happened in Cuba:

The story told by a man in the Pasaje a lo Desconocido television program. He claimed that he was captured at his dwelling place in the center of the island; adding that after a few minutes aboard a spacecraft, he was abandoned in the City of Havana, unhurt. (source (http://ufodigest.com/news/0608/cuba2.html))
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On Sunday, October 15, 1995 at 9:00 a.m. near the town of Torriente, Province of Matanzas, a 74-year-old farmer named Adolfo Zarate witnessed the descent of an object no larger than a small car, with a cabin, on the premises of his farm. The object remained on the ground for several minutes, and a being of humanoid appearance, dressed in an outfit similar to camouflage and wearing a facemask, emerged from the device, took soil or grass samples, and after an explosion “like air”, took off and headed south, leaving a wake of blue fire. Police confirmed the flattening of grass at the location, suggesting a descent. Members of the Ministry of the Interior investigated the case, but no conclusion was issued after a while.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lM4ZjgrTZLk/Ujn_iFho5-I/AAAAAAAA7XM/TVSDxVMyDdo/s1600/zarate1.JPG

In October of 1995, the Sunday newspaper Juventud Rebelde published an article about this case. The article stated, " Perhaps, Adolfo's biggest fear was that what happened to his cousin Ricardo Zarate, would happen to him. His cousin disappeared two years earlier, in 1993, after leaving his house early in the morning to work in a farm. The search for Ricardo lasted more than a month, until the case was closed. Until this day, his disappearance is still unexplained.

Perhaps because of that reason, the rain, the loneliness of that Sunday, and most certainly, because of the strange looking sphere that was descending from the sky and landed only 60 meters away from him, Adolfo decided to hide among the corn crops. He could have gotten closer to the object, but the fear of being abducted and never returned like his cousin prevented him from doing so. According to him, the machine stood still after landing. Moments later, an individual that appeared to be wearing a gas mask and camouflaged clothes came out of it. The ship also had a type of camouflage because it resembled the same colors as the crops. As it started to rain even harder, the individual walked around the ship and later leaned on the door to talk to yet another one inside the cockpit. He appeared to be picking up plants from the field. Later, he climbed up the stairs and the machine emitted a bright blue light. Adolfo felt a tremendous air pressure as the ship left.

The newspaper Juventud Rebelde also published Adolfo's own words. He stated, "It was the same size of an amusement ride found at the fair grounds. I could not tell what it was made of. It did not have wings, propellers nor it made any noise. It had an oval shape. It landed on two legs that appeared to have some type of air shocks. It also appeared to have very small wheels because it left wheel tracks behind. I could not see the individual's face but he appeared to be an ordinary human being. The individual did not appear to be carrying any weapons".

Cuban ufologist Orestes Girbau Collado stated, "something did land in that area and I'm almost 100% sure that it wasn't from our planet. [...] The ship was not from our origin; it came either from a different dimension, time or planet, but I don't know exactly.

Zarate is a person with very little imagination; he did not know anything about UFOs. In fact, he knew about them as much as I know about old Hebrew languages, which I know nothing about. Furthermore, I think he was fearful of talking about it. He probably thought that it was some kind of espionage operation and he did not want to be subject to intense questionings.

I also think that Zarate was very lucky because if it weren't for the corn crops near by, he would not have had the chance to hide. If he would have been walking along the open field - if I can speculate a bit-, he would have been gone just like his cousin who disappeared two years earlier during the same date, the same crop field, at around the same time. This sounds incredible but is true." (source (http://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2017/03/close-encounter-in-cuba-zarate-incident.html))

[Ewan]

Had he lost or gained any weight?
Was his hair much longer?
Had he grown any facial hair (beard, mustache) in the 15 months missing?


In 2001, Amy Rylance was abducted by aliens and according to her housemate Petra Hella, an eyewitness, she went floating through the window carried on a beam of light. Approximately ninety minutes after Petra witnessed the supposed abduction, Amy was found disorientated and covered in mud some 790 kms (490 miles) away.

Ms Rylance said that she had been abducted for days and when Mackay hospital staff examined her they found that she hadn't eaten for days, and her usually shaved bodily hair had grown considerably.

gpCn4bVer88

Man alive that cop (or sheriff ), was a total jerk off. He couldn't hold back his pretentious almost giddy laughter.

Total a-hole, but I think the interviewer could not keep a straight face either and may have been triggering him.

The mark on her leg was enough to convince me it was genuine, it was a familiar pattern photographed many time with various abductees.


Ms Rylance said that she had been abducted for days and when Mackay hospital staff examined her they found that she hadn't eaten for days, and her usually shaved bodily hair had grown considerably.

That quote was particulalry important to me and I searched further. http://www.ufocasebook.com/gundiahmackay.html

It 'proves', in so far as proof is accepted, that her abductors can move through time. They left our time frame and did their examinations/whatever, they brought her back within a few hours of taking her.

I'll never quite understand the odd drop-off places, unless perhaps they use an entirely different reference system and according to that, a few days of solar system spin relative to some unknown (to me) point, it was the same place. Far-fetched?

Interesting to note she did not think it was a particularly negative encounter.

[Atlas]

I'll never quite understand the odd drop-off places, unless perhaps they use an entirely different reference system [...]
From the link you posted (http://www.ufocasebook.com/gundiahmackay.html), it was reported that "The guy told her they were returning her to a place not far from where they took her from, because the lights were wrong at the property and it wasn't safe." (sic)

[Ewan]

I'll never quite understand the odd drop-off places, unless perhaps they use an entirely different reference system [...]
From the link you posted (http://www.ufocasebook.com/gundiahmackay.html), it was reported that "The guy told her they were returning her to a place not far from where they took her from, because the lights were wrong at the property and it wasn't safe." (sic)

Yeah, I noticed that but it still didn't seem right somehow. They seem to know all about us and yet at the same time know little. Dumping someone in the bush a few miles from a highway is not a very charitable thing to do, potentially dangerous. In this case the abductee was apparently dehydrated which implies they didn't really think to take care of her very much whilst they had her. Perhaps her feeling that it wasn't a negative encounter was 'given' to her as an overlay.

There always seems to be discrepancies that just don't fit well together, maybe by design.

[Atlas]

If you watch this video posted by Maria Stade (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?87029-Men-in-black&p=1023007&viewfull=1#post1023007) @15:44, you find a perfect match in Russia: the russian guy was watching TV when a beam of light levitated him out of his house, exactly the same as in the case of Amy Rylance. These 'aliens' can't hide any longer, we know of their standard operating procedures now.

[Spellbound]

The link is this one: http://www.livescience.com/39785-bigfoot-map-sasquatch-sightings-gis.html from this thread: projectavalon.net/A Map of Bigfoot Sightings/Distribution (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63654-A-Map-of-Bigfoot-Sightings-Distribution)

The bigfoot map is here: http://thumbnails.visually.netdna-cdn.com/SquatchWatch92YearsofBigfootSightingsintheUSandCanada_523b7482cc497.png


If you take the map above and mentally lay it over David Paulides cluster map (https://www.google.com/search?q=missing+411+map&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW8rzFvIbTAhVG64MKHYfXBdAQsAQIGw&biw=1920&bih=945#imgrc=0yOVNKEb9TUTOM:) of disappearances there is a high corollary between the two.
Here is what you get:
https://s24.postimg.org/oaxwvvo2d/paulides-and-bigfoot.jpg

Although I still think these disappearances are by inter-dimensionals and not Bigfoot (for the most part).....I must admit this is quite stunning.

Dave - Toronto

[mgray]

Here is a Joe Rogan podcast where he is speaking with Jeff B. Evans, who is an adventurer, expedition leader, high-altitude medic, physician assistant.

Evans has pulled people off of Denali and Everest. At the 20:00 mark he is speaking about hypothermia and how the last stage is euphoria where people strip off their clothes just before dying.

FYMXjYRDAjc

[mgray]

Here is a Joe Rogan podcast where he is speaking with Jeff B. Evans, who is an adventurer, expedition leader, high-altitude medic, physician assistant.

Evans has pulled people off of Denali and Everest. At the 20:00 mark he is speaking about hypothermia and how the last stage is euphoria where people strip off their clothes just before dying.

FYMXjYRDAjc

bumping this video

[Bill Ryan]

Here is a Joe Rogan podcast where he is speaking with Jeff B. Evans, who is an adventurer, expedition leader, high-altitude medic, physician assistant.

Evans has pulled people off of Denali and Everest. At the 20:00 mark he is speaking about hypothermia and how the last stage is euphoria where people strip off their clothes just before dying.


Very many thanks... that's very interesting. I'm downloading the whole video.

As many here know, I'm an experienced climber, at high altitudes, too, and in all my years I've not been aware of this phenomenon of hypothermic climbers taking their clothes off. I'm trained in mountain rescue, and I'd never even heard of it.

Assuming that happens sometimes (and these guys are authentically experienced, for sure), I do find it hard to believe it's commonplace.

But here's one [different, also interesting] reference, and there are some others:


http://livescience.com/41730-hypothermia-terminal-burrowing-paradoxical-undressing.html

As Richard Dolan says (with a smile): "You don't have to admit you're wrong. Just say 'I've revised my opinion'."

:)