Do alien civilizations have "one world government"?

[Matt P]

Are alien species visiting the Earth from planets that have one world government? Or might they be from a particular "country" from their planet (multiple races from a single planet visiting separately? Am I being silly to assume they even have government as we view it here?

I always felt that when we are openly exploring the universe, we would probably be representing a single planet, and thus a single planetary government. "Hello, we're from Earth" as opposed to "Hello, we're from Portugal, on the planet Earth."

Are we meant to eliminate all national boundaries before we join the universal community?

Pardon my being a rookie about this. Something I just remembered inspired the questions. When I was a young boy I had this weird fantasy about one day being the elected president of the world. Not of the USA, the world. This was long before knowing anything about government, politics, the new world order or hacked voting machines. I don't know what inspired it or why but it was more than just a one time thought. The memory really stuck with me and I sometimes remember it when I am reading about the evil motives of the people who are pushing for a one world government. A little part of me wonders if we took the evil intention out of it if it would be a good thing.

Perhaps if someone knows this conversation has been had here at Avalon already they could point me in the right direction or feel free to share what you know...

Matt

[Shannon]

Are alien species visiting the Earth from planets that have one world government? Or might they be from a particular "country" from their planet (multiple races from a single planet visiting separately? Am I being silly to assume they even have government as we view it here?

I always felt that when we are openly exploring the universe, we would probably be representing a single planet, and thus a single planetary government. "Hello, we're from Earth" as opposed to "Hello, we're from Portugal, on the planet Earth."

Are we meant to eliminate all national boundaries before we join the universal community?

Pardon my being a rookie about this. Something I just remembered inspired the questions. When I was a young boy I had this weird fantasy about one day being the elected president of the world. Not of the USA, the world. This was long before knowing anything about government, politics, the new world order or hacked voting machines. I don't know what inspired it or why but it was more than just a one time thought. The memory really stuck with me and I sometimes remember it when I am reading about the evil motives of the people who are pushing for a one world government. A little part of me wonders if we took the evil intention out of it if it would be a good thing.

Perhaps if someone knows this conversation has been had here at Avalon already they could point me in the right direction or feel free to share what you know...

Matt


I don't know about alien governments. But being an American kid , I thought being made president was being president of the world. :)

[Daozen]

I would hope that aliens would be sophisticated to know that OWG in our present stage of maturity would be a disaster. Our last federal experiment, the EU, ended in tears and economic stagnation. One world gov would be even worse.

I don't agree that we need OWG as a pre-requisite for going into the wider galaxy.


A Type 1 civilization is truly a planetary one. It is an advanced civilization that has achieved world government status and an end to all ethnic, racial and religious strife. A Type 1 civilization can also be characterized by its ability to provide all of its planetary citizens with free housing, food, education, health care, transportation and leisure needs. It is a civilization that has achieved complete international sustainable development, unlimited supplies of free non-polluting energy (solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, hydrogen fuel cell, anti-gravity etc...) and complete ecological balance with the biosphere from which all life depends.

This sounds good at face value, but why do we need a government to provide these things for it's citizens. That way of thinking is all wrong.

How about no governments at all? Why do we need anyone representing us?

I think the most efficient way to run a planetary economy is crowdfunding.

[Sunny-side-up]

Mr President mpennery good post.
I have wondered that question.

When I was in my 20's (many lives ago now) I put a web site up relating to a one world flag! It was an idea of a contest, a contest between all the worlds country's artists.
Each country to add a version for the world flag.
There would in my mind have to be at least one painted flag version from each and every country to make it true.
Artists would probably cross the political bounds and so make it work!

That idea of a one world president could have many ramifications to it!
Like: the way this world would achieve it, would be by violence and wars.
The one world President would probably be very military in actions :(

I think Aliens probably have a mix of conditions per species and worlds.
Hive like Aliens would probably be a one world Pres, if pres they had!

Maybe when we have full disclosure we will get there (That's probably a big reason why were not getting a full disclosure ha)

again good question mpennery:sun:

[Eram]

Hi mpennery,

I think that every species that reaches a certain stage in their evolutionary process is bound to have some sort of umbrella organ that oversees all nations and or tribes.

The big question is whether or not that organ has the support of all the individuals and to what level the law of freedom is applied in that organ.

The NWO plans that Bush and others spoke of would of course be one of totalitarianism and a progressive ending to all personal freedom.

On a planet where the consciousness is high though, such an organ would aspire to serve unity and brotherhood.

[Matt P]

I would hope that aliens would be sophisticated to know that OWG in our present stage of maturity would be a disaster. Our last federal experiment, the EU, ended in tears and economic stagnation. One world gov would be even worse.

I don't agree that we need OWG as a pre-requisite for going into the wider galaxy.


A Type 1 civilization is truly a planetary one. It is an advanced civilization that has achieved world government status and an end to all ethnic, racial and religious strife. A Type 1 civilization can also be characterized by its ability to provide all of its planetary citizens with free housing, food, education, health care, transportation and leisure needs. It is a civilization that has achieved complete international sustainable development, unlimited supplies of free non-polluting energy (solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, hydrogen fuel cell, anti-gravity etc...) and complete ecological balance with the biosphere from which all life depends.

This sounds good at face value, but why do we need a government to provide these things for it's citizens. That way of thinking is all wrong.

How about no governments at all? Why do we need anyone representing us?

I think the most efficient way to run a planetary economy is crowdfunding.

This is actually pretty close to how I feel about government. As I look around and see how government has been used to enslave people and destroy the natural environment, I many times feel like we would be better served without it. But that opinion is based on what it is now, not what it could be, and me not knowing about the structure of other planets. I'd just love to know how those alien civilizations view government, national boundaries and how they represent themselves to other worlds.

Matt

[Eram]

This is actually pretty close to how I feel about government. As I look around and see how government has been used to enslave people and destroy the natural environment, I many times feel like we would be better served without it.

The problem is that we can't do without government.
Anarchy would collapse, because predators and parasites would take over within a minute.

[Daozen]

I would hope that aliens would be sophisticated to know that OWG in our present stage of maturity would be a disaster. Our last federal experiment, the EU, ended in tears and economic stagnation. One world gov would be even worse.

I don't agree that we need OWG as a pre-requisite for going into the wider galaxy.


A Type 1 civilization is truly a planetary one. It is an advanced civilization that has achieved world government status and an end to all ethnic, racial and religious strife. A Type 1 civilization can also be characterized by its ability to provide all of its planetary citizens with free housing, food, education, health care, transportation and leisure needs. It is a civilization that has achieved complete international sustainable development, unlimited supplies of free non-polluting energy (solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, hydrogen fuel cell, anti-gravity etc...) and complete ecological balance with the biosphere from which all life depends.

This sounds good at face value, but why do we need a government to provide these things for it's citizens. That way of thinking is all wrong.

How about no governments at all? Why do we need anyone representing us?

I think the most efficient way to run a planetary economy is crowdfunding.

This is actually pretty close to how I feel about government. As I look around and see how government has been used to enslave people and destroy the natural environment, I many times feel like we would be better served without it. But that opinion is based on what it is now, not what it could be, and me not knowing about the structure of other planets. I'd just love to know how those alien civilizations view government, national boundaries and how they represent themselves to other worlds.

Matt

I definitely think that benevolent governments do exist out there. A description of a supposed martian government is here. Worth a read for the descriptions of the capital, Cydonia...

EDIT. LINK: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Melbourne_and_Mars

[kirolak]

I don't understand why we insist on being governed. . . a higher being simply knows what action to take, through Choiceless Awareness. . . surely? I know that not all of us (by that I mean not all of our Consciousness - consciousness in man being a fragmented "thing") are present & aware; but the potential is there ..?

PS: mpennery, your face gives off light! :cat:

[Peace of Mind]

haha, i can't see how anyone here would know the answer to this? but to play along... Perhaps they do, but I doubt their governments will resemble anything like ours.

Humans are the only species on this planet that are willing to be governed by others, except this willingness is the product of habituation. Governments are supposed to support, not lead, or teach us to be competitive, divided, and dependent on them. If humans were responsible beings there will be no need for governments.

Every living thing basically governs themselves. But humans are tricked into living out their years through organized slavery.

All animals on this planet is clearly fighting against being controlled by something else other than self, so I can’t imagine a specie from somewhere else will be willing to adopt such mundane, dated, unfair practices. (especially if these aliens are rumored to be intellectually advance). All that said, an alien race with an established government would not be a good thing for the human race at all.

Peace

[ulli]

Hi mpennery,

I think that every species that reaches a certain stage in their evolutionary process is bound to have some sort of umbrella organ that oversees all nations and or tribes.

The big question is whether or not that organ has the support of all the individuals and to what level the law of freedom is applied in that organ.

The NWO plans that Bush and others spoke of would of course be one of totalitarianism and a progressive ending to all personal freedom.

On a planet where the consciousness is high though, such an organ would aspire to serve unity and brotherhood.

The elected organ needs to ensure that there is justice, security, healthcare, education, and representatives to communicate with other worlds, such as ambassadors.

It all depends on which system the people want to see in place.
If there are term limits. Who is eligible to be elected. If the leaders are appointed, or elected. How do the election campaigns work, or if they are allowed at all?
All this is for the people to decide.

[Carmody]

On the so called spiritual side, with the works of regression hypnotist Michael Newton, is that some (not all stories were the same) 'beings' (collected intelligence - self aware) who are currently incarnate as humans...are the kind of beings, who, in their given interdimensional location (origin point), were a bit of a problem, regarding fitting in with the rest (at their given origin point).

Too rambunctious, too much of a problem for the given group, or society. It was suggested to them that they move into the idea of incarnating on earth so those rough edges could be sanded off, so they would fit in better, and also be better problem solvers when they returned. That their difference was a problem for all around them, but also very likely to be useful after it had withstood the multiple tests of fire and stressing that lives on earth, in the earth dimension 3d times space...would bring to them. Heavy stress, intense and widely varied experiences.

That this earth is designed to be, or allowed to be..an incredibly stressful place that is on the verge of success, and the verge of failure, immense pressures as a way of life and flow. Designed that way, allowed to be that way, populated by those who are in that way of existing.

Under such a premise, the logic would be that fixing it kills the stressor goose that lays the golden egg of phoenix born beings. At the minimum, that would be the result.

To clarify....another side of that thought, is that intelligence, and it's reach, life and it's reach, involves limits, or range of limits. The sheer level of difference that a given space is capable of holding or being in, defines the range of possible intelligences and range in intelligence that can form in a space or place. Intelligence grows in a space of order, intelligence grows in chaos. Both are true ---- in one case.

Thus, uniform fixed regimented quiet things are dead things. Dead things or perfected things are also commodities, that are outside of intelligence and growth. Things with no past and no future.

The struggle for growth and growth in intelligence and growth in capacity....is therefore defined as the maximum of organization and order....juxtaposed on the crux of maximum difference and maximum stress.

And in a world with a myriad of levels of those combinations, a being may find the place and space where they can grow.

That fixing the world and making it comfortable as a standardized state, may be what kills it's value and function.

However, all this forced order and chaos....seems to be reaching a maximum stress point, where things have to drastically change, or back down, or reorganize.

[onawah]

There is a theory that planets are sentient beings that go through stages of growth just as we do, and as they grow, their primary functions change.
And so,according to this theory, insofar as Earth has put in her time as a "school of hard knocks" for younger souls, she is "graduating" and will now become a home for more advanced souls.
According to the theory, younger souls who are still in need of schooling of the more rigorous sort will be incarnating elsewhere, and Earth will become a more peaceful and sophisticated world, soon to be joining with other more advanced ET civilizations in cross-cultural cooperation.
It certainly is an attractive idea, though perhaps it's just one of the New Age wishful thinking kind of theories...
But I think Bob Dean is one whistleblower, at least, who said he thought this is going to be happening here henceforth.

[wnlight]

I agree, Daozen. The more a government provides its citizens, the more dependant they are, the more the government can take away in order to control the people.

[Althena]

I tend to think that they're way to advanced to have a government. Ain't nobody got time for that.

[WhiteLove]

Are alien species visiting the Earth from planets that have one world government?


Although there are probably cases of that as well, in the majority of the cases, the peace is what makes the governance redunant, hence there is no need to govern and hence no need to have a government. The government's purpose is to ensure the world is not at peace.



Or might they be from a particular "country" from their planet (multiple races from a single planet visiting separately?


If they speak a language then yes they have probably named various places, where those names have a history and important characteristic behind them to describe their unique aspects. So they probably have a culture, but I think they also have a cosmic navigation system. Nations and border? Nah. Most of these civilizations are way beyond all of the limitations that we are aware of here and they are beyond even limitations we are not aware of. So no, countries they don't have. They only use the names to reference something, not to separate control and divide things. I'm sure there are examples but when talking about the ones smart enough to come here, then no - nations are primitive limited things characterized by a civilization that does not work towards the common good. Most ETs coming here have passed that step, hence they are able to come here from a distant galaxy. To them a nation would not make any sense whatsoever.



Am I being silly to assume they even have government as we view it here?


Some of the less intelligent third density intelligent humanoid races probably are not at peace either and hence there are groups within those civilizations that try to be above everyone else at the cost of the overall society. But those that come here from a distant galaxy, they have to know things like the resonance code of nature, in other words they kind of need to understand God pretty well and in that way we would consider them to come from "a high place", because we would perceive them to have God like being. That is a multi dimensional thing, that each dimension of their multi dimensional being is at a very light density being, so no matter what perspective you approach them, they are beyond what you think. In other words, they have likely decoded in truth a lot of the things that we wrongly define as truth, hence they can approach almost any topic from a highly true highly intelligent perspective that also expresses a high level of love. That is why we would find some of these beings God like. So no, those don't have governments, but they have alliances and are in contact with higher level of intelligence that we are not even able to imagine.



Are we meant to eliminate all national boundaries before we join the universal community?


With or without national boundaries, we are meant to create peace on earth before we go out to the stars and nations and their borders help to create unrest and war. So in a sense yes. Then, when we go out to the stars to meet other life out there, we cannot go there to create fear. That's the thing. ETs are currently afraid of us, they find us evil. So they don't want that evil to come near them, similar to the fact that we do not want devils/demons to come near. But when we have overcome the times of high energy weapons, then they will approach us, similar to an animal that comes closer and closer the more loving you are to it.

So all in all, both yes and no, depending on which level of intelligence we are talking about. Those that come here are of such degree of love that they have overcome even the density limits. They can freely pass without even a ship to do it. They are like angels to us.

When we think of these things we do so from an extremely limited human perspective. Societies that have collectively grown over millions of years in peace, it's a level of unlimitation that we cannot even perceive. They can contain all of it, to us that seems to be an unreasonable impossible fact. But it's not, because life, creation, consciousness etc. creates the rules, it does not follow the rules. It creates whatever rules it wants. Therefore it creates infinite acceleration. And it creates infinite miraculousness, it creates infinite beauty, it creates infinite intelligence. Within all of that we can then approach it from various very limited perspectives, making it appear to be various things it's not.

[mojo]

There's such a diversity of alien species yet if many of them can read thought I bet there is no need for government. Certainly there might be oversight to discuss cooperative goals but imagine if humans were capable of reading thought? How different our society would be.

[WhiteLove]

There's such a diversity of alien species yet if many of them can read thought I bet there is no need for government. Certainly there might be oversight to discuss cooperative goals but imagine if humans were capable of reading thought? How different our society would be.

Exactly. I come to think of Clifford Stone's testimony, how when he met an ET, that ET read his whole memory so that all of what was in Clifford's forgotten memory surfaced and he had a breakdown - all of that the ET felt of course as well - but that ET did not break down, it just loved very much - it was already way beyond that emotion and hence that emotion was already within it, but for Clifford it surfaced. That's how powerful these beings are, they are in utter peace and from that perspective they are able to do things that to us seem impossible.

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[Matina]

I think it depends on how spiritualy evolved they are.The aliens who are only technologicaly advanced probably have leaders for the whole race..

[ghostrider]

The plejaren federation is 3.5 billion members , many races from many galaxies, all under the Andromeda high council, a council of half spirit half material biengs 50-60 billion years old ... the high council consults the first fine spirit level of Arahat Arasata -a spirit that has passed the half spirit half material level , and is 60-80 million years older than the Andromeda high council ...

[jounai]

What type of social system that a ET race applies in their experience varies greatly. There are some that have a similar functioning governmental organ which oversees the civilization making sure it is going in the intended direction. Typically however the civilizations outgrow the need for a governing system. Government only exist on Earth because the individual humans are unwilling to be in charge of their own lives on a greater scale. Most people do not wish to even think about the bigger questions for our society. Most peoples' worlds are very small only consisting of their immediate experience.

I believe that one day humanity will outgrow the need of having a governing system, though this will likely take centuries. The various civilizations I have met in my exploration of the universe and beyond that have had different types of functions that sometime resembles that of the human governing body. I have also met many civilizations that don't have any government at all. Typically higher vibrational beings have less need for a governing system than lower vibrational beings do.

[thunder24]

Man or human can only think as far as their mind has expanded... to frolic in ideals and imagination is to expand...but to find oneself caught in said such will surely leave a bitter taste in the mind or understanding.... when one finds the infinate as the playground, considerations become a childs toy...

[dirmanam]

Yes.. to admit the soul to expand instead?

Maybe we can try to gather information about 1 planet for a start ? could it be possible ?
A reinforced call among several people ?

In trying to understand cosmic governments : Is our concept of Freedom essential ?
May we conclude that the more we are filled with Love, the need of others often transcends our own needs ?

Love is in a way a double edged sword ? One part tend to circulate around ourselves, around my needs, my emotions.
Even the act of Love could represent traces of that. Im not thinking eros and agape as boxes, as it becomes clear that the act of Love also could represent the genius way to be in a flow of constantly giving and receiving.
Its interesting that in the moment of orgasm, we must let go.. this is a non intellectual thing, but at this very moment
we are capable of creating.. Life, we create something beyond our intellect. Highly advanced

Now what has this to do with cosmic governments?
We reside also in cosmos and the bible words, but also spiritual accepted to some extent “ as in heaven so on earth “ could represent some information for us ? By knowing ourselves, our ecosystem, Gaia, we also gather information about higher or other realms ?

Competition has grown to be a major force in our world, has maybe always been. On our voyage towards a clearer understanding of mankind, of what it takes to save the world, we realise that competition do not facilitate equality, but sharing does!

(M. Mead in her studies on indigenous people, far outside our economic system, showed that the King was
elected as being the most generous Man on the island. And a modern study, searching for the most happy children on earth, chose children from a similar Island. Funny!?)

Mr Einstein once said : “ Man is at the same time a solitary being and a social being”

The speculation and accumulation of goods for myself is one limited CIRCLE with radiations into wars and revolutions.
As the magic of chaining all our CIRCLES as we do in the principe of shearing,The Future Governments duty is to organize the flow of basic needs, and we will all participate in this work on local levels.

I take it for granted that earth will be One nation in the future, as the evolution of Love will not allow borders, nor the system of general purpose money

I believe that aliens are not afraid of the human soul and spirit, but are afraid of the human Mind ; The loud craving
from one individual, greed, the expansion potential which may rock the universe

Lets call them together
Lets share

[DbDraad]

I won't be surprized if a lot of aliens are "governed" by corporate factions and mafia-like families or clans, triads, etc. As long as there is competition for resources, there will be conflict. It depends on the evolution of the species. Some might have hive minds like insects, others might be loners like sharks. It all depends on the environment they evolved in. Our destiny is shaped by our history. Utopia is only possible if the environment allows.