Mandatory Depression Screening for all Americans?????

[Pam]

It is so clear to me that we are on the threshold of the dysptopian, martial law future that many of us have dreaded. When I read this article I was actually sickened. It is so obvious that the US government is doing everything it can to take guns away. They haven't had the results they would like from false flag events so there is a new strategy: If they can't outlaw the guns then they will make every citizen an outlaw.

I think this is a twofold attack. Get as many citizens as they can on the psychologically imbalanced list by getting them to admit to being depressed at some point, as well as getting more and more people on psychotropic drugs. It is quite brilliant really.

I will be anxious to see how this plays out. Are Americans so dumbed down that they will passively take this "test". Can anyone believe that the government gives a rip about our psychological well being?


Written by Ron Paul

The United States Preventive Services Task Force recently recommended mandatory depression screening for all Americans. The task force wants to force health insurance companies to pay for the screening. Basic economics, as well as the Obamacare disaster, should have shown this task force that government health insurance mandates harm Americans.

Government health insurance mandates raise the price of health insurance. Consumers will respond to this increase by either choosing to not carry health insurance or by reducing their consumption of other goods and services. Imposing new health insurance mandates will thus make consumers, many of whom are already suffering from Obamacare’s costly mandates, worse off by forcing them to deviate from their preferred consumption patterns.

Mandatory depression screening will not just raise insurance costs. In order to ensure that the screening mandate is being properly implemented, the government will need to create a database containing the results of the screenings. Those anti-gun politicians who want to forbid anyone labeled “mentally ill” from owning a firearm will no doubt want to use this database as a tool to deprive individuals of their Second Amendment rights.

If the preventive task force has its way, Americans could lose their Second Amendment, and possibly other, rights simply because they happened to undergo their mandatory depression screening when they were coping with a loved one’s passing or a divorce, or simply having a bad day. As anyone who has been mistakenly placed on the terrorist watch list can attest, it is very difficult to get off a government database even when the government clearly is in error. Thus, anyone mistakenly labeled as depressed will have to spend a great deal of time and money in what may be a futile attempt to get his rights back.

Mandatory depression screening will endanger people’s health by increasing the use of psychotropic drugs. These drugs often have dangerous side effects. Their use has even been linked to suicide. The fact that almost every mass shooter was on psychotropic drugs is another good reason to oppose any policy that will increase reliance on these medicines.

The Preventive Services Task Force’s mandatory depression screening mandate is based on the fallacy that diagnosing mental health problems is analogous to diagnosing cancer or diabetes. Even mental health professionals acknowledge that there is a great deal of subjectivity in mental health diagnosis.

Consider that until 1973 homosexuality was considered a mental disorder by the American Psychiatric Association. Today, some mental health professionals think that those who believe in limited government, free-market economics, or traditional values suffer from mental disorders. If mandatory depression screening becomes a reality, it is likely this mental health screening will be expanded to cover screening for other mental illnesses. This could result in anyone with an unpopular political belief or lifestyle choice being labeled as “mentally ill.”

Even if mandatory health screening could be implementing without increasing costs or threatening liberty it would still be a bad idea. Government health care mandates undermine the basic principles of a free society. If it is legitimate for government to tell us what types of health care we must receive, then it is also legitimate for the government to tell us what to eat, when to exercise, and even how to raise our children. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis, a tyranny imposed for our own good is the worst form of tyranny because it is a tyranny without limits. All who love liberty must therefore oppose mandatory depression screening, or any other health care mandate.

[Pam]

Have we become so indoctrinated by governments invading every aspect of our lives that no one even thinks something like this is creepy? Think about it, people, the government is trying to mandate a test that is going to effectively give you a score as to how mentally stable you are. And anyone that believes their responses to this test won't be shared with government agencies is naive at best. Your ability to protect yourself and your family could be based on how you take this friggin test. Things like this and "Sesame Credit" the "game" that will be mandatory for all Chinese citizens where they get points for cooperating with the government agenda and loose points for hanging out with folks with a low point score are going to be instrumental in the demise of our personal freedoms.


First, they mandate that you provide your child with their type of medicine, then they mandate vaccinations, now they need to know if you are depressed? What next?

[EWO]

I bet if the politicians took this test they would all fail, of course that doesn't matter since they have diplomatic immunity.
Oh the hypocrisy.

[Pam]

This is a classic example of what the David Icke calls the Totalitarian tiptoe. If they can't infringe on our rights one way then they will find another. These infringements under the guise of caring about our mental health are really creepy. I wonder what will happen if you flat out state that you don't want to take their test?

Ewo, you are right, those that understand the implications of such a invasion of privacy would be hell bent to take such a test. And if they were stupid enough to, of course they would not see the repercussions that we will, what ever that will look like. Of one thing I am sure, the end game is to use it to take away any personal freedoms we may have.

Admitting to anything, even being sad after the death of a loved one can get you labeled "depressed". There is actually an ICD-9 code for that type of depression, it was recently added. I thought it was done strictly to find a way to get payment for drugs prescribed for what used to be called a normal response to life, now called a diseased state. Maybe some resourceful bureaucrat found another use for it, namely a way to find almost every US citizen incompetent to own firearms.

[sommervr]

It would be really easy to game that test. It is not like they measure seratonin levels directly. You would have to incriminate yourself

I think they are going after what they call Oppositional Defiant Disorder which is tied in with depression. Basically anyone who doesn't do what they are told gets a happy pill.

It seems like we are powerless but they are certainly scared of even our thoughts

[T Smith]

The alternative is non-compliance. I will not take such a test.

However, if such a time comes when a test like this becomes mandatory (perhaps non-compliance will render me a criminal) we will be so far gone and under such blatant totalitarianism that our oppressors wouldn't need test results to take away our guns. They simply would take away guns, by force. At this juncture, who needs a pretext?

It would be bloody undertaking, for sure, but once they successfully liquidate all the resisters, to quote Orwell, it would then be a boot stamping on a human face, forever. In other words, if they can manage to take the guns, it's game over. There will be no pretexts or pretending thereafter. We will all be subject to the whims and directives of a full-fledged (and most likely brutal) totalitarian regime.

Regardless how it plays out, if the time comes for me to take this test at gun point, I would simply pass the test. You can take away self-determination, you can take away rights, you can take away freedom. But it's quite a different animal to take away human ingenuity, spirit, and drive.

More troubling, in my opinion, is full spectrum surveillance, coupled with AI analysis. One might be clever enough to pass a depression screening test with flying colors, but when your entire online history is analyzed in real time, coupled with real-time analysis of the totality of all past phone conversations, physical movements (what, when, and where you've been), etc., it might not be so easy to hide a discriminatory profile not so conducive to owning a fire arm. Especially when the most likely target of such a profile is the human foot soldier encroaching on your humanity or doing the bidding for the power behind the surveillance.

Yes, it's quite a puzzle to resist and outwit the thought police, especially when your very thoughts are continually scrutinized. But that's basically our ensuing challenge, as a species, as we deal with these issues.

[Pam]

The alternative is non-compliance. I will not take such a test.

However, if such a time comes when a test like this becomes mandatory (perhaps non-compliance will render me a criminal) we will be so far gone and under such blatant totalitarianism that our oppressors wouldn't need test results to take away our guns. They simply would take away guns, by force. At this juncture, who needs a pretext?

It would be bloody undertaking, for sure, but once they successfully liquidate all the resisters, to quote Orwell, it would then be a boot stamping on a human face, forever. In other words, if they can manage to take the guns, it's game over. There will be no pretexts or pretending thereafter. We will all be subject to the whims and directives of a full-fledged (and most likely brutal) totalitarian regime.

Regardless how it plays out, if the time comes for me to take this test at gun point, I would simply pass the test. You can take away self-determination, you can take away rights, you can take away freedom. But it's quite a different animal to take away human ingenuity, spirit, and drive.

More troubling, in my opinion, is full spectrum surveillance, coupled with AI analysis. One might be clever enough to pass a depression screening test with flying colors, but when your entire online history is analyzed in real time, coupled with real-time analysis of the totality of all past phone conversations, physical movements (what, when, and where you've been), etc., it might not be so easy to hide a discriminatory profile not so conducive to owning a fire arm. Especially when the most likely target of such a profile is the human foot soldier encroaching on your humanity or doing the bidding for the power behind the surveillance.

Yes, it's quite a puzzle to resist and outwit the thought police, especially when your very thoughts are continually scrutinized. But that's basically our ensuing challenge, as a species, as we deal with these issues.


Thank you, T Smith for a most thoughtful post. I, personally, have no interest in using guns, but I do understand that they represent, both literally and symbolically, the last stand of personal freedoms in the US. I can also see that depression could be used as a sort of loophole to classify someone as mentally ill, and thus unable to own a gun. I think the Feds would rather gain control in these sneaky sorts of ways, if they can. I can feel the frustration as none of the false flags have had the desired result...


More troubling, in my opinion, is full spectrum surveillance, coupled with AI analysis. One might be clever enough to pass a depression screening test with flying colors, but when your entire online history is analyzed in real time, coupled with real-time analysis of the totality of all past phone conversations, physical movements (what, when, and where you've been), etc., it might not be so easy to hide a discriminatory profile not so conducive to owning a fire arm. Especially when the most likely target of such a profile is the human foot soldier encroaching on your humanity or doing the bidding for the power behind the surveillance

Your description above sent eery shivers down my spine. I think you perfectly described the next step. All done with AI in a nanosecond. Even your Smart refrigerator can be turned as a tool against you :sun:

I know that a lot of this may be nothing new most PA members, but I always like to remember that there are thousands of folks that read these posts and this is a way that we can reach the hearts and minds of many, although we will never have direct knowledge of it.


But it's quite a different animal to take away human ingenuity, spirit, and drive.

Yes, indeed.......

[GrnEggsNHam]

I was imagining a world where a test like this would be mandatory and look what came into my mind, Equilibrium (film) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_%28film%29).


The film follows John Preston (Bale), an enforcement officer in a future in which both feelings and artistic expression are outlawed and citizens take daily injections of drugs to suppress their emotions.

[TrumanCash]

Mandatory depression screening for all Americans? Man, that is soooo... depressing! :faint:

Oh, well, I'm going to just say "no thanks" to this one. :wizard:

[Calz]

Mandatory depression screening for all Americans? Man, that is soooo... depressing! :faint:

Oh, well, I'm going to just say "no thanks" to this one. :wizard:


Being awake to a nation/world of psychopaths who live their lives to bring the masses pain, suffering, endless war, poisonous food and water, a pharma/medical cartel that only has interest in your cash ...

... how can anyone be depressed???

[Pam]

Mandatory depression screening for all Americans? Man, that is soooo... depressing! :faint:

Oh, well, I'm going to just say "no thanks" to this one. :wizard:


Being awake to a nation/world of psychopaths who live their lives to bring the masses pain, suffering, endless war, poisonous food and water, a pharma/medical cartel that only has interest in your cash ...

... how can anyone be depressed???



Maybe, they just need confirmation of their success :facepalm:.

[Calz]

Joseph Farrell weighs in ... (with some overlap with the OP)

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YOU TELL ME: MANDATORY DEPRESSION TESTS

Posted on February 18, 2016 by Joseph P. Farrell


Many of you have been sharing this strange story with me, and if this was not the 21st century USSA, I'd be disinclined to believe it, but since it is the 21st century USSA, I pass it along with my own high octane speculations:

Ron Paul Slams Government Plan For "Mandatory Depresssion Screening" Of All Americans

The first four paragraphs say it all, and are offering their own explanation for this latest expansion of "health care":



The United States Preventive Services Task Force recently recommended mandatory depression screening for all Americans. The task force wants to force health insurance companies to pay for the screening. Basic economics, as well as the Obamacare disaster, should have shown this task force that government health insurance mandates harm Americans.

Government health insurance mandates raise the price of health insurance. Consumers will respond to this increase by either choosing to not carry health insurance or by reducing their consumption of other goods and services. Imposing new health insurance mandates will thus make consumers, many of whom are already suffering from Obamacare’s costly mandates, worse off by forcing them to deviate from their preferred consumption patterns.

Mandatory depression screening will not just raise insurance costs. In order to ensure that the screening mandate is being properly implemented, the government will need to create a database containing the results of the screenings. Those anti-gun politicians who want to forbid anyone labeled “mentally ill” from owning a firearm will no doubt want to use this database as a tool to deprive individuals of their Second Amendment rights.

If the preventive task force has its way, Americans could lose their Second Amendment, and possibly other, rights simply because they happened to undergo their mandatory depression screening when they were coping with a loved one’s passing or a divorce, or simply having a bad day. As anyone who has been mistakenly placed on the terrorist watch list can attest, it is very difficult to get off a government database even when the government clearly is in error. Thus, anyone mistakenly labeled as depressed will have to spend a great deal of time and money in what may be a futile attempt to get his rights back.


Yes, that's right, mandatory depression screening, to be overseen by panels of the quackery known as psychiatry(which, incidentally, also has recently opined, Soviet-style, that beliefs in conspiracy theories, is a mental illness, unless of course, you were lucky enough to be on the 9/11 commission drafting the government's official conspiracy theory), could circumvent your access to a gun. And while we're at it, why stop at depression? Any number of mental maladies could do, vertigo, agoraphobia, you name it.

Well, you can see where this will go: with the entire population being diagnosed as mentally ill - and to be fair, it's looking more certain every day, if you've been following the presidential (s)election process and the lamestream American media - no one will be able to have a gun.

Now, while I share Mr. Paul's, and Zero Hedge's concerns here, I rather suspect the agenda is different, and that it's about more money for Big Pharma under the gusie of the new "health care" dictats: with everyone taking anti-depressants, possibly mandated by law, they make more money, and the drugged up, stuporific population becomese much easier to control as it if forced to pay for its own stuporification (if I may be allowed to coin that word).

But whatever the real motivation is, the end result is the same: welcome to the USSA, where we have no need for gulags. You're just psychologically ill if you oppose the policies of Big Brother. So we'll just throw you into a psychiatric hospital, where we've given former Soviet psychiatrists jobs as part of our jobs program.

See you on the flip side...



http://gizadeathstar.com/2016/02/you-tell-me-mandatory-depression-tests/

[Pam]

Joseph Farrell weighs in ... (with some overlap with the OP)

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YOU TELL ME: MANDATORY DEPRESSION TESTS

Posted on February 18, 2016 by Joseph P. Farrell


Many of you have been sharing this strange story with me, and if this was not the 21st century USSA, I'd be disinclined to believe it, but since it is the 21st century USSA, I pass it along with my own high octane speculations:

Ron Paul Slams Government Plan For "Mandatory Depresssion Screening" Of All Americans

The first four paragraphs say it all, and are offering their own explanation for this latest expansion of "health care":



The United States Preventive Services Task Force recently recommended mandatory depression screening for all Americans. The task force wants to force health insurance companies to pay for the screening. Basic economics, as well as the Obamacare disaster, should have shown this task force that government health insurance mandates harm Americans.

Government health insurance mandates raise the price of health insurance. Consumers will respond to this increase by either choosing to not carry health insurance or by reducing their consumption of other goods and services. Imposing new health insurance mandates will thus make consumers, many of whom are already suffering from Obamacare’s costly mandates, worse off by forcing them to deviate from their preferred consumption patterns.

Mandatory depression screening will not just raise insurance costs. In order to ensure that the screening mandate is being properly implemented, the government will need to create a database containing the results of the screenings. Those anti-gun politicians who want to forbid anyone labeled “mentally ill” from owning a firearm will no doubt want to use this database as a tool to deprive individuals of their Second Amendment rights.

If the preventive task force has its way, Americans could lose their Second Amendment, and possibly other, rights simply because they happened to undergo their mandatory depression screening when they were coping with a loved one’s passing or a divorce, or simply having a bad day. As anyone who has been mistakenly placed on the terrorist watch list can attest, it is very difficult to get off a government database even when the government clearly is in error. Thus, anyone mistakenly labeled as depressed will have to spend a great deal of time and money in what may be a futile attempt to get his rights back.


Yes, that's right, mandatory depression screening, to be overseen by panels of the quackery known as psychiatry(which, incidentally, also has recently opined, Soviet-style, that beliefs in conspiracy theories, is a mental illness, unless of course, you were lucky enough to be on the 9/11 commission drafting the government's official conspiracy theory), could circumvent your access to a gun. And while we're at it, why stop at depression? Any number of mental maladies could do, vertigo, agoraphobia, you name it.

Well, you can see where this will go: with the entire population being diagnosed as mentally ill - and to be fair, it's looking more certain every day, if you've been following the presidential (s)election process and the lamestream American media - no one will be able to have a gun.

Now, while I share Mr. Paul's, and Zero Hedge's concerns here, I rather suspect the agenda is different, and that it's about more money for Big Pharma under the gusie of the new "health care" dictats: with everyone taking anti-depressants, possibly mandated by law, they make more money, and the drugged up, stuporific population becomese much easier to control as it if forced to pay for its own stuporification (if I may be allowed to coin that word).

But whatever the real motivation is, the end result is the same: welcome to the USSA, where we have no need for gulags. You're just psychologically ill if you oppose the policies of Big Brother. So we'll just throw you into a psychiatric hospital, where we've given former Soviet psychiatrists jobs as part of our jobs program.

See you on the flip side...



http://gizadeathstar.com/2016/02/you-tell-me-mandatory-depression-tests/


Thanks, Calz. When I first read about the idea of mandatory testing the idea that it was for the benefit of big pharma occurred to me as well. My guess that because this is occurring at this time, I still think the ultimate goal is to be able to make most of the population deemed unfit to own a firearm. However, the whole concept of this could have been initiated by big pharma as a sort of win/win scenario... Oh, what kind of madness?????

[Becky]

The thing is that if people have 'feelings' they will probably be categorised as depressed, and if they don't have feelings they are technically psychopaths, but will score well so the system will deem them 'well'.

[Hervé]

The thing is that if people have 'feelings' they will probably be categorised as depressed, and if they don't have feelings they are technically psychopaths, but will score well so the system will deem them 'well'.
Designed by psychopaths to further advance the cause of psychopaths and their agenda, and turn normal humans into psychopaths via medications (see: Psych Drugs: The Real Weapons of Mass Destruction (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?56969-Psych-Drugs-The-Real-Weapons-of-Mass-Destruction))

[Pam]

Panel recommends mandatory depression screening for teens and tweens
By Paula Wolfson
Screening for depression between the ages of 12 and 18 used to be optional, but the task force says there are now basic tools that primary docs can use to make a diagnosis and all should be able to either treat a patient within their practice, or make a referral to a specialist.

The panel says roughly 8 percent of adolescents in national surveys say they have suffered from major depression in the past year.

A recent study from New York University put that figure at 12 percent, and found that most do not get proper treatment.

The task force made no recommendation on screenings for children under the age of 12.

The recommendations were published in two medical journals: “Annals of Internal Medicine” and “Pediatrics.”



So pharma doesn't have enough business. It's time to tap into the 12-18 year old age group.

I look at my nephew, who was once a very bright and delightful kid. His problem was that he had clashes with his mom from a very early age. She bought into the pharma thing and and soon his weight nearly doubled, he had to be excused because he couldn't up to go to school in the morning and many other negative things. His psychiatrists reaction to each "behavioral problem" was to increase dosages or add new drugs. He eventually became addicted to street drugs and did a stint in prison.

I wonder if they ever do "studies" about what happens to these kids after they become adults? I'm pretty sure no one wants the answers.

Some day if humans exist long enough to become a more enlightened species, I think they will look back at this time and see this corruption of children as criminal, and insane.

[Sierra]

The fact that almost every mass shooter was on psychotropic drugs...

That might be the point.

[Pam]

Feds Seek “Mental Health” Testing of All Children, Adults


Alex Newman
New American
February 25, 2016

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Next time you visit your doctor, be careful how you respond to his questions, or you may just be branded “mentally ill” and subjected to “treatment.”

That is because a panel advising the Obama administration, in partnership with Big Psychiatry, wants to make doctors subject all American adults and children over age 12 to screening for alleged “mental health” disorders — particularly depression, at least to start with. Then, anyone found to harbor any alleged mental disorder, including children as young as eight, should undergo “therapy,” often including powerful psychotropic medications that experts say have dubious value but often come with well-documented and highly dangerous side effects.

Your ObamaCare plan will be forced to pay for it, whether you want it or not, thanks to the federal government’s commandeering of the health-insurance industry under the so-called Affordable Care Act. And eventually, younger and younger children will be in Big Brother’s crosshairs for mental and behavioral health “services,” whether parents want it or not. School teachers, social workers, and more are all already being enlisted in the federal government’s search for supposed “mental and behavioral health” issues — a list that is perpetually expanding as psychiatrists invent new “illnesses.” The outcry against the federal government’s obsession with your mind and the minds of America’s children, though, is growing louder, as critics call the agenda “depressing” and worry whether it is another scheme to disarm more Americans.

The controversial “recommendations” include screening all Americans between the ages of 12 and 18 for depression. A separate but related recommendation seeks to have all U.S. adults checked for “mental illness,” too. And consider that the list of “illnesses” is subjective (homosexuality was a mental disorder a few decades ago) and is constantly expanding as psychiatrists vote to create new ones, literally, as part of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual — the “Bible” of psychiatry that has been widely criticized, even by leading psychiatrists.

The latest demands come from the United States Preventive Services Task Force, or USPSTF. The influential outfit, appointed by the Obama administration’s increasingly radical Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), recommends various unconstitutional federal health policies for Big Brother to decree into pseudo-law via regulation.

[Pam]

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