Depressed Beyond Whatever I'd Experienced Prior

[LiquidMind]

Dealing with so much, triggered by stimuli, left, right and center - hyper-sensitive to the nth degree, feeling like every eccentric cell and genome is acting out, going off-the-charts crazy. Am out out of my element, instead living in an infested environment that is congested and wearing, tearing all green, living things and putting up cement horrors. I can't. Dealing with infirmed near and dear one, otherwise entirely isolating. Chemicals aren't helping much and being who I have been created to be, shy empathic am now turning to whatever will numb me to this existence.

[Marikins]

This exact thing is going on with everybody I know. I cannot explain it. Everyone, super nice, self-aware people, is being triggered, hurt, upset as you say 'hyper-sensitive'. We are all getting through it, but we have to slow down and watch our words. There are also some flu symptoms so I have to wonder.

[RunningDeer]

This is part of a recent post in the 'Here & Now' thread.

My question:

…So what’s up with this attitude when I don’t have really anything to growl about?

Part of my answer:

…it’s the change in energy that surrounds. The body is adjusting to the newness. My job is to remember not to label. Just ride with it.


******************

This was my response to another that’s been having a time of it:

You're not alone and in good company. :heart:


We're turning
flesh and body
Into soul


The Waterboys - Strange Boat
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We're sailing on a strange boat
Heading for a strange shore
We're sailing on a strange boat
Heading for a strange shore
Carrying the strangest cargo
That was ever hauled aboard

We're sailing on a strange sea
Blown by a strange wind
We're sailing on a strange sea
Blown by a strange wind
Carrying the strangest crew
That ever sinned

We're riding in a strange car
We're followin' a strange star
We're climbing on the strangest ladder
That was ever there to climb

We're living in a strange time
Working for a strange goal
We're living in a strange time
Working for a strange goal
We're turning flesh and body
Into soul



[Bubu]

I no longer fit into the system. Its already very uncomfortable here. I have to move out and/or make some adjustments soon.

[LiquidMind]

I keep saying, ready to go - ready to go Lord. Ready to go Home. I just can't take this planet - at all - never could - been just keeping the organism alive for who knows what. I am so ready to leave. Have nothing to tie me to this place and do not know - or understand what else is needed for me to conclude before I'm beamed back. Never felt part of this world, never wanted to be here and my sheer existing on this plane has been nothing short of a miracle. Pretty sure the home team is as upset as I am at how this lifetime turned out - tried to make it work. The wear and tear and the emotions have just shot to another level altogether.

[WhiteLove]

Dealing with so much, triggered by stimuli, left, right and center - hyper-sensitive to the nth degree, feeling like every eccentric cell and genome is acting out, going off-the-charts crazy. Am out out of my element, instead living in an infested environment that is congested and wearing, tearing all green, living things and putting up cement horrors. I can't. Dealing with infirmed near and dear one, otherwise entirely isolating. Chemicals aren't helping much and being who I have been created to be, shy empathic am now turning to whatever will numb me to this existence.

Everywhere I go I see laughter of happiness, they are so busy being happy that they go to work every morning before they go to sleep. They love it like robots. As happy as they are free.

Are you aware of anything that could be making a false prediction about something, about you maybe? Try to go through all the predictions you have made about things and try to abandon the ones that are against you. There are a lot of things beyond the now, that can add to the description of now, although it has nothing to do with the now. Depression happens when hope declines slowly over time. It is the result of a limited perspective that does that, either your own or someone in your context. Limitation is something that eats energy. The human mind can reach a point when it dictates a future that is against you. Depressions can be rooted in those kinds of things. I've learned that the human mind cannot and should not try to do those kinds of things, because it does not have the capacity required, it is too limited. It is the limiting thoughts, that are also not true, that causes all of this.

[Curt]

LiquidMind, I hear you.

I like this clip from Annie Hall. Funny, true. And featuring a character far more neurotic than myself. Which I find strangely comforting.

Hope it gives you a slight lift.

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[Bill Ryan]

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Thank you for this thread, and for reaching out — and you're not alone here. This is truly the Dark Night of the Soul.

I doubt if there's a single member (or guest, reading this now) who hasn't felt similar profound desperation at one time or another.

In fact, to turn this on its head, there'd be something rather psychopathically wrong with someone if they didn't look out their window on to everything that's happening on Planet Earth to feel occasional sheer despair. There's a lot to feel pretty upset about, if we let it get to us.

What I have pinned to my metaphorical internal fridge door is:



If there wasn't a reasonable chance of success in this venture, and if I didn't have a specific mission, and a bunch of abilities and opportunities to back it up and at least give things a fighting chance, I'd not have come here.
There are plenty of other wonderful planets to incarnate on... where there's peace, prosperity, wisdom, spirituality, advancement, and balance.

But I chose this one. And so did you, and everyone else reading this.

And many others, too. The wonderful, gifted superchildren are still coming through. Evidently, they all still feel the same way.

If they ever stop being born here — then we'll know we're in deep trouble. But: so far, so good. This is a serious point.

It's hard to give advice, at a distance, through this very ineffectual medium of leaving text messages for each other on the internet. But, this is what I would suggest to a good friend who felt they were in deep trouble:



Never stop communicating. Protect yourself appropriately, but don't remove yourself from kind, sensitive people.
Always try to do something positive each day, even if it's the tiniest little thing.
DON'T DON'T DON'T resort to alcohol or drugs (of any kind). They don't help in the long term — at all.
Try to be active — again, even a little bit. Force yourself to go for a walk every day, even a short one.
Some supplements help a lot. When depressed or stressed, one can burn up B-vitamins, for instance, really fast.
Rescue Remedy (http://www.bachflower.com/rescue-remedy-information) (sometimes called Crisis Formula (http://www.bachcentre.com/centre/38/rescue.htm)) is wonderful. Simple, very inexpensive, and remarkably effective and helpful.
Sleep can be profoundly healing. Again, DON'T use pharmaceutical solutions. Melatonin works pretty well if one is having trouble getting to sleep. (Try different brands, maybe... many people find some more effective than others.)



And, again..... never stop communicating. :bearhug:

[RunningDeer]

I keep saying, ready to go - ready to go Lord. Ready to go Home. I just can't take this planet - at all - never could - been just keeping the organism alive for who knows what. I am so ready to leave. Have nothing to tie me to this place and do not know - or understand what else is needed for me to conclude before I'm beamed back. Never felt part of this world, never wanted to be here and my sheer existing on this plane has been nothing short of a miracle. Pretty sure the home team is as upset as I am at how this lifetime turned out - tried to make it work. The wear and tear and the emotions have just shot to another level altogether.

If a tape kept running in my head that I never belonged here and I want out? I’d first investigate the possibility that something is tampering with my subconscious.

Drill, drill, drill.

I’d give life a go. I’d give myself permission to excel at what brings me happiness. Happiness without guilt from anyone or anything, i.e. the inorganic gremlin wannabes that cheer on those who live the complexities of sorrow and pain rather than the simplicities of joy.

Do not get sucked in. Do not consent to their manipulation games. You’re serving them up dinner. Hang a sign: "Kitchen is closed."


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[LiquidMind]

Well, been one of the tortured ones - it's all pretty much been wiped from conscious memory but you know the body holds it, as does sub conscious and un conscious - it's all there - just as it is recorded in the Akashic records. And I do go out of my way to make that effort to help others, it's just too much now. Can't take the energy of people, stay very clear away from it all - from this perch - have been seeking my tribe - my people for as long as I can remember and nothing. Probably meant to roam this world as a lone soldier, ploughing the way for others to follow but it's too much for me to even witness. As for alcohol - yes and as for sedatives yes, otherwise right now I would not be able to function at all - and that means putting one foot before the other. Simply because of the nerves being shot. I take supplements and eat well, try to do whatever is needed to keep the organism relatively healthy - and am not dependent on any one substance. I have a feeling I've been in this very situation in a previous life/lives and each time I took my own life and had to come back to complete the course. So, that would not be something I'd consider knowing how I'd have to come back anyway - and that's the last thing I want to do. Ever.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Yes - been doing all of that - and still - this. Ergo - it's not enough.

[DNA]

Hi LiquidMind

It's hard to comment without knowing where you are coming from.
A vegetarian would probably say to eat more of a natural diet with lots of veggies and leafy greens. But, I would say although that couldn't hurt you should make sure to eat organic. I honestly don't even think veggies and fruit are good for you if they are not organic.
I think a lot of our problems are the chemicals as you have alluded to .
It doesn't really cost that much to eat organic if you are eating the Quinua, Brown Rice, Barley and Bean type foods combined with the veggies of course. I'm a fan of organic beef and cheeses but this is where the cost really does kind of shoot up. You should try and understand that the negative that occurs with eating these chemicals isn't on accident, it's done by design. So with that in mind, do not go quietly into the night. And one last thing, Tea is huge. There are more chemical pesticides in tea than any other food item on the shelf, so it absolutely is worth the little extra to buy the organic tea.

Sunlight helps too.
And don't do the sunscreen, it's actually the sunscreen that is giving folks cancer.
The sun alone can pull you out of depression. Let the sunlight shine on your eyelids and try to consciously breath the sunlight in through your closed eyes and face.

Walks help.
Walks are better than running for getting your energy field back into it's optimal state. Don't hold anything in your hands. Walk with your hands relaxed and let your arms swing in their natural motion. This works as a sort of pump for moving your energy and getting rid of blockages.

And last but not least. If you have a REAL herb shop in your area, freeze dried St. Johns Wart in capsule or liquid form does wonders for depression.
Take care and have a good one :)

[cloud9]

OK. Being there... done that.
As a person who has been extremely depressed to the point of not wanting to live any more I can tell you it's not the end. I'm not going to bore you with my story at least you want me to.
Can you please tell us a little more?
Are you working? Home alone? Married? Single? Young? Not so young? What do you do every day? It's hard to give you something helpful without knowing the context of your situation right now. If you don't mind to share of course.

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Bluegreen]

To my utter amazement, I found the following to be true for me:

"I have a moral obligation to be happy"

Sometimes all that is needed is some comfort. A little ray of hope in the form of golden pink, holding that near the heart. Allowing is the first step to healing. Let it happen and it will ...

Blessings :heart:

[Caliban]

LiquidMind,


I'd like to offer you this: last night I had a kind of fantasy where I was helping a hypothetical "friend" who was depressed. I was alone but I played it out, actually spoke aloud to this friend:

"Now, repeat after me: 'My situation is getting better. I can actually feel it getting better now. Every day I feel a little better.' Good, now say this out loud: 'I'm a good person, a beautiful person who has value to offer. I can feel my goodness within me. I know that other people see it and appreciate what I have to give.'"

It may seem silly, but try it, like a child would. Do it a few times, maybe in the mirror. Along with this I suggest you be as consciously kind to yourself as possible. Yes, the feelings are there, there's a struggle, but you needn't blame yourself. Open up to your own capacity to heal and the miracle of transformation. Echoing Bill, you are here for a reason.

[halcyon026]

LiquidMind,

I think I have at least a little bit of an idea, of what you are experiencing. It feels like hopelessness. You don't see a point to a future because it only looks dark.

Lots of wise words could be said, and I'll share some below, but I know wise words don't cure broken hearts of pull us out of depression. My hope for you, is that you come to find yourself and when you do, you see that you can be a loner, you can blaze trails, and you can do all of this unbearable Earth life, with a smile. And we need you. We need those who are suffering, to come out the other side and aid the rest of us, to teach how to heal, to keep others from the cycle. You may not realize it, but you've undertaken the type of curriculum needed, to become such a teacher. Your role in this is much more grand than you are seeing now.

"We all know our humanity all too well. That is why we put the focus on recognizing that part of us that isn’t in the human-ness. Not to deny the humanity but to bring a balance about. Because that’s what you offer another person. When I look at some of you and I know you have problems with addiction and problems with sexual obsessions and problems with loneliness and problems with anger and problems with diseases and problems with frigidity and tightness. And I look and I see the whole sea of stuff or you tell me about it. And I just see curriculum after curriculum after curriculum after curriculum.

And I just see a group of beautiful souls on earth each having its own karmic work to do. At the same moment when you present it to me, my heart hurts. You don’t protect your heart from breaking because in a way a broken heart is like cracking a shell to let the deeper heart come forth. Because compassion is like the monk who is crying because his son has died and the student comes up and says, “What are you crying about? You know it is all illusion.” He says, “Yes but the death of a son is the greatest illusion.” And Maharaj ji crying when I was hurting.

You don’t close off your humanity by any means but you balance your humanity and if you don’t balance your humanity you burn out. And if you don’t balance your humanity you armor your heart and if you armor your heart you starve to death and that’s why you burn out because you are not getting fed.

You have to avert your eyes from the suffering of the world. You can’t look. You can’t look at the have-nots in the world. You can’t stand it. You have to look away all the time. You have to avert your eyes from Central America and from India and from all those places because you just can’t stand it. Because you feel so impotent to do something to take away the suffering.

If you are going to be free, your freedom means that you do not avert your eyes from anything, in yourself or in anyone else. Freedom means to be a free awareness with what is. No aversion no attachment. They say that for a saint, all the world are their children and you feel the suffering of another person the same way you would as if it was your own child. It’s almost unbearable.


What makes it bearable? There is a little statue of the Buddha and it has a little smile at the edge of its mouth and it is called the smile of unbearable compassion. Sounds like a paradox. The smile of unbearable compassion. It is the unbearable compassion. It is beyond bearing and if you were somebody you couldn’t bear it, but you are the universe and that is what you are. You are all of that and it is that balance inside yourself. The smile of unbearable compassion. And that ability to embrace the suffering into yourself, to just keep taking it in and taking it in and look towards it instead of away from it, and look towards it and then take the way in which it reacts in you and keep doing that delicate balancing number, to balance that you still feel the humanity and at the same moment you allow, you don’t sit around judging God like what have you done to me I am a good guy what are you doing this to me for. You don’t apply your rational criteria to the universe because the way karma works is not understandable by your rational mind since your rational mind is a product of karma and a system cannot understand something that is meta to itself. It is a logical impossibility. You don’t hear the full universe.

Here’s where the faith comes and the faith is deepened through your own practices, through your own direct experiences. It’s not belief that someone hands you. It is faith that comes from your own direct experiences. So you learn to keep your heart open in hell. Finally." – Ram Dass

[amor]

Dear One. I have also been torn asunder by situations which offer bad outcomes whichever way I turn. The term which has described me is "a caretaker". A lifetime of being tossed too and fro has me angry and exhausted; however, recently, I heard a radio report on low grade and other depression. It seems that the prevailing story about how much vitamin C we need has us all in the beginnings of SCURVEY. We should be getting many thousands of milligrams of easily absorbable multiple sources of Vit. C per day. In addition, nutritional yeast and a fine multi-vitamin mineral, only available at a good Health Food Store is a fine place to begin. The Vitamin C comes in individual packets in the form of crystals derived from multiple sources. It is delicious. Dissolve in water and drink. Nutritional Yeast Flakes are the best tasting and are taken similar to the Vitamin C. Our diets are STARVING our brains and we are entering into dementia and alzheimer's as a result. Also important fish oils and ground Linseed added to anything we cook such as rice or cereals. If your skin is dry you need Linseed and Fish Oils and WATER. As your skin goes, so goes your BRAIN and HEART. Drag yourself out of your hole by feeding yourself so that you have the resources to tackle life's problems. The product I am using is called EMERGEN-C and also contains some 7 B Vitamins and other necessary things. TRY IT.

[Craig]

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Thank you for this thread, and for reaching out — and you're not alone here. This is truly the Dark Night of the Soul.(.....)

But I chose this one. And so did you, and everyone else reading this.

(....)


I believe this to be true, but are we allowed to change our minds? What fears me the most is what this is now emotionally charged is negated once we past and is regarded as learning experience on the other side. Dam that. I want to go across and remember all this and advise this existence is flawed, it isn't working and the current setup is rigged to fail, dam the veil of forgetfulness upon birth, how are so called soul based goals meant to be achieved if total forgetfulness is thrusted upon us at birth? How can this be looked at as nothing but a folly?

This is a beautiful planet being recklessly destroyed all on fronts from all manner of sources and I for one do not want to come back and partake in this any more.

I am nothing special, I haven't experienced anything untoward nor witnessed anything truly spectacular just an empathetic reader who gets worked up at the misfortunes of others and guilt stricken that I can't lend a hand.

And tired, deep in my bones tired.

[Old Wolf]

Hi LiquidMind,

Although I can't completely understand where you're coming from, I've encountered and continue to encounter the same feelings .. especially recently. It's become crucial for me to learn to relax completely, understand my feelings and use my mind to clearly analyse what's going on in my life and why it's bothering me so much. It's taken a very long time for me to come to terms with what's wrong with many situations because of the complexity involved. I don't know about you but I have this inherently strong sense of right and wrong and when something "hits the wrong button", it bothers me, depresses me and I dwell on it. I tried for a long time to just "turn off" and stop dwelling on it but it doesn't help. It's necessary for me to figure out what's wrong and once I understand then it stops bothering me. But it's never just one thing, it's lots of things and that's where my depression creeps in, the thousand cuts are overwhelming.

I've discovered that finding simple pleasures that lift my mood really help. Chocoiate is fast becoming a favourite, along with other sweets :) Yes, my teeth really are rotting out of my head but ironically, I want to smile. I spend much time on my own in nature (bushwalking, 4w driving, sitting by rivers, walking barefoot in streams), the forest and animals have a very supportive energy. I meditate regularly and have recently started directly raising my vibration while meditating allowing me to more easily let go of the pain I'm carrying. It's definitely not easy and the going is slow but I'm gradually feeling better and better.

I've wondered many times why I'm still alive but in my heart I know that if there wasn't purpose to my going through this, I'd already be dead. It's definitely darkest before the dawn and I can sense the depths of your pain. I don't know the details of what you're feeling and why, but I'm going through a similar thing and starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

However isolated you feel, you're not alone.

Kindly.

[ulli]

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[rgray222]

Somethings in this life we know for sure:

Everything is temporary, there are no exceptions
You are here because you want to be here
Every soul on planet earth has a purpose
Very few people 'receive' their purpose at an early age
Sometimes the clarity of purpose may not emerge until you are 50-60-70+ years of age
If you keep an open and receptive mind you will recognize your purpose when it finally surfaces
The big picture of life is simple and not very complicated.
Don't try too hard, don't shut down and keep and open mind to everything

[lightwalker]

Dr Zeuss says......"It stinks till it's over"

[Hazelfern]

Here you go friend -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WZvlCwkYjE
Someone more bummed out than me.

[Bubu]

I keep saying, ready to go - ready to go Lord. Ready to go Home. I just can't take this planet - at all - never could - been just keeping the organism alive for who knows what. I am so ready to leave. Have nothing to tie me to this place and do not know - or understand what else is needed for me to conclude before I'm beamed back. Never felt part of this world, never wanted to be here and my sheer existing on this plane has been nothing short of a miracle. Pretty sure the home team is as upset as I am at how this lifetime turned out - tried to make it work. The wear and tear and the emotions have just shot to another level altogether.

Its uncomfortable here but I never think for once to leave this life. Leave the system yes and probably do something to change it. All in all do something to make life more enjoyable again.

[sandy]

I hear you LiquidMind and it is what it is and that is, what it is.............and that is okay too, unless you want more and if you do then give yourself permission and go get it. :hug:

[LiquidMind]

Please understand that at the moment I am too overwhelmed by everything going on around me to respond individually. Thank you for replying to my plight. I am still alive -- breathing - will come back and reply individually when things clear.

[Citizen No2]

It is my belief that history is a wheel.

"Inconstancy is my very essence", says the wheel. "Rise up on my spokes if you like, but do not complain when you are cast back down into the depths. Good times pass away, but then so do the bad. Mutability is our tragedy, but it is also our hope. The worst of times, like the best, are always passing us by".

Good luck Brother/Sister.

It's who you are.


Regards.

[Enola]

Have you tried taking DLPA? Getting more endorphins flowing through your system can be good. I've seen people say after taking 3 capsules the replay of traumatic events in the mind immediately stopped.

[Sunny]

To my utter amazement, I found the following to be true for me:

"I have a moral obligation to be happy"

Sometimes all that is needed is some comfort. A little ray of hope in the form of golden pink, holding that near the heart. Allowing is the first step to healing. Let it happen and it will ...

Blessings :heart:

Hello, LiquidMind,

When I was in my 20's, I thought I was going to have a nervous breakdown. The reason I didn't is similar to what Bluegreen said. It wasn't what I was supposed to do. I felt I was at a crossroads and I had a choice. So I did everything opposite to the state I was in. Over time, I came back into balance again.

Eat your favorite foods, watch some movies, go for a walk in a nice place. It all helps to come back into balance again.

If you take Bill's advice and buy some Rescue Remedy, buy some Bach Flower Mustard and Bach Flower Gorse too.

Rescue Remedy is for trauma and for when your life is waaay too intense. Mustard is for depression that comes on for no reason. Gorse is for depression based on hopelessness or despair.

Best wishes to you.

[sdv]

I keep saying, ready to go - ready to go Lord. Ready to go Home. I just can't take this planet - at all - never could - been just keeping the organism alive for who knows what. I am so ready to leave. Have nothing to tie me to this place and do not know - or understand what else is needed for me to conclude before I'm beamed back. Never felt part of this world, never wanted to be here and my sheer existing on this plane has been nothing short of a miracle. Pretty sure the home team is as upset as I am at how this lifetime turned out - tried to make it work. The wear and tear and the emotions have just shot to another level altogether.

I understand this narrative playing over and over again in the mind. However, what I am being shown every day is that our thoughts can and do manifest into reality very quickly (and the dark negative ones seem to have extra power). If you can try every day to recognise negative dark thoughts, reject them and replace them with something positive it might help. Perhaps you can try to to personify those thoughts and treat them like a malevolent being that you can talk back to and show it up as wrong (e.g. What a silly thing to believe because it is not true! You sound very depressed ... you can join me in doing happy positive things today ... if you can't you should leave and go and get some help! ... and so on).

I find that there is tremendous power of manifestation in negative dark thoughts and it is very difficult to manifest the positive and the good, but fake it until you make it and at least try to stop feeding those malevolent beings who feed off our depression.

Now give yourself a huge hug for being a beautiful and sensitive being!

[lightwalker]

I read this often....reminds me of who I truly am

You are goodness and mercy and compassion and understanding. You are peace and joy and light. You are forgiveness and patience, strength and courage, a helper in time of need, a comforter in time of sorrow, a healer in time of injury, a teacher in times of confusion. You are the deepest wisdom and the highest truth; the greatest peace and the grandest love. You are these things and in moments of your life you have known yourself as these things.

Choose now to know yourself as these things always.


lightwalker

CWG Neale Walsch
Pg. 87

[Chester]

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Thank you for this thread, and for reaching out — and you're not alone here. This is truly the Dark Night of the Soul.

I doubt if there's a single member (or guest, reading this now) who hasn't felt similar profound desperation at one time or another.

In fact, to turn this on its head, there'd be something rather psychopathically wrong with someone if they didn't look out their window on to everything that's happening on Planet Earth to feel occasional sheer despair. There's a lot to feel pretty upset about, if we let it get to us.

What I have pinned to my metaphorical internal fridge door is:



If there wasn't a reasonable chance of success in this venture, and if I didn't have a specific mission, and a bunch of abilities and opportunities to back it up and at least give things a fighting chance, I'd not have come here.
There are plenty of other wonderful planets to incarnate on... where there's peace, prosperity, wisdom, spirituality, advancement, and balance.

But I chose this one. And so did you, and everyone else reading this.

And many others, too. The wonderful, gifted superchildren are still coming through. Evidently, they all still feel the same way.

If they ever stop being born here — then we'll know we're in deep trouble. But: so far, so good. This is a serious point.

It's hard to give advice, at a distance, through this very ineffectual medium of leaving text messages for each other on the internet. But, this is what I would suggest to a good friend who felt they were in deep trouble:



Never stop communicating. Protect yourself appropriately, but don't remove yourself from kind, sensitive people.
Always try to do something positive each day, even if it's the tiniest little thing.
DON'T DON'T DON'T resort to alcohol or drugs (of any kind). They don't help in the long term — at all.
Try to be active — again, even a little bit. Force yourself to go for a walk every day, even a short one.
Some supplements help a lot. When depressed or stressed, one can burn up B-vitamins, for instance, really fast.
Rescue Remedy (http://www.bachflower.com/rescue-remedy-information) (sometimes called Crisis Formula (http://www.bachcentre.com/centre/38/rescue.htm)) is wonderful. Simple, very inexpensive, and remarkably effective and helpful.
Sleep can be profoundly healing. Again, DON'T use pharmaceutical solutions. Melatonin works pretty well if one is having trouble getting to sleep. (Try different brands, maybe... many people find some more effective than others.)



And, again..... never stop communicating. :bearhug:


Hi Bill - what about if someone you love is in a crisis that has reached the state of full blown psychosis and they will not stop the weed and alcohol (and other drugs)? Sadly, to have them placed in a safe place means the "system" and we know the kind of treatments folks in those facilities receive as well as the "medications" they are given.

[Love]

When there is nothing left to lose, pursue your passion. What have you been too afraid to do because you were too busy paying taxes instead of fueling your dreams? Now is the time to stop living for the system, and live for your self. In that, your creations will manifest your truth into the world and that is what you came here for. You're in a good position now, to let the false 'reality' go and actualize your truth. You're like a budding flower, and Spring is right around the corner! :flower:

[Hym]

Good advice all around. I can only echo the care all have given.

Sunlight on the forehead penetrates deeply, nurturing the brain and promoting positive outlook. At least 15 minutes a day.

Grounding with the earth helps. There are links within the forum search engine about it's effects. It's good to walk barefooted on the earth, especially on grass as it is a great, living conduit to the healing transferred from the earth.

Taking quality vitamin C in gram form is helpful twice a day.
(I do not take the same brand of vitamin C in it's powdered packet form because of the added aspartame, aculfame, maltodextrin to it (whatever they put in it these days). Stay clear of anything that has an excito-toxin in it. It is only in products to create addiction and dependence, not for the obvious sweetness it contains in concentrated form. Addiction to sweets creates depression.

Avoid anything that creates a spike in insulin response, instead of a slow steady uptake that is easier for the body to assimilate and distribute the absorbed energy.

We cannot overemphasize the power of HEARING yourself speak about your life in affirmative words. Whispering them is also comforting to absorb deep within the mind's core, touching the heart, awakening purpose beyond the struggle.

It is difficult to focus on sharing with you, Liquid Mind, without the specifics, but I would be accurate in saying that if you confided in a PM with someone about the conditions you're in now, someone or more on the site that strikes the similar sentiments you carry, you'll find the insight you seek, essentially you looking at yourself without the guilt or self-recriminations. I cannot be alone here in the ability to listen, and in listening, learning. The stories I've been told...............I'm surprised people keep them inside, because the lessons they often carry aren't realized until they are released. Released, of course, without endangering yourself in the details.

If anything, the many hearts you've seen reach out to you should help.

Interesting that....Your handle here is Liquid Mind. When the mind changes it's form it may exist in a gas, or in the ether or simply be waiting to solidify itself within the infinite boundless space of the Spirit. What an interesting name. May it be the state of our minds in this exponentially intensive challenge our minds are in now, searching, for the powerful peace we know is our right....
One of many solutions may exist in the choice of your name.

[kirolak]

Could it be stagnant energy in your body? Do you swim or at least paddle around in water? I found that helped. . . also, music. There is nothing like Bach to lift the spirit. . . my thoughts are with you; hope the darkness dissipates soon.:bearhug:

[wondering]

My wish for you is that you read these replies to you, and know that you are not alone. No one's struggle is completely clear to anyone else, but clearly we all struggle. Sometimes greatly. May you be filled with Loving Kindness, may you be well. May you be peaceful and at ease,nmay you be happy.

[Calz]

Over the course of my lifetime ... family, music and laughter have been a consistent help for depression (and I have my share of grey hairs).

Yes it is becoming an ever increasing challenge.

Many options there ... even staying within the forum there are a number of threads to help make you laugh or let music bring you back.

imho

[:Renyse:]

If there wasn't a reasonable chance of success in this venture, and if I didn't have a specific mission, and a bunch of abilities and opportunities to back it up and at least give things a fighting chance, I'd not have come here.


Yes! Nearly exact... knowing this is what has always brought me through my darkest times. Great reminder for us all, thank you Bill. :)

LiquidMind, I hope the darkness lifts for you very soon and you feel the sun touch your face again.

[kirolak]

And something else. . . switch off the inner dialogue; the day I did that (& never turned it on again) a huge weight lifted.. . . . & clear the energy around you with incense; also, holding a rock in your hand & injecting all the darkness within, into it & thanking her for taking it.. . . :flower:

[LiquidMind]

Seems I'm not able to absorb much in terms of nutrients. Been taking so much and nothing. My digestive system is out of whack as well as my liver - need a cleanse just can't bring myself to do much of that...tried taking 3 grams vitamin c - didn't make a dent neither did niacin or biotin....am anemic - could be pernicious.

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it just seems to be getting darker in increments. but thank you..

[LiquidMind]

This exact thing is going on with everybody I know. I cannot explain it. Everyone, super nice, self-aware people, is being triggered, hurt, upset as you say 'hyper-sensitive'. We are all getting through it, but we have to slow down and watch our words. There are also some flu symptoms so I have to wonder.

I pick up all the energies - of everyone - it's automatic and whatever I've been trying or not trying to do - shielding whatever doesn't help because my aura has been shot since inception/en vitro. Not many of us are still standing - and there's a reason for that. Everything goes through us because there's no so-called protective shield around the emotional/mental planes. Don't know what that's called - it's just blown wide open. For good and bad which is why I steer clear whenever I can because I know it's not healthy.

[Matthew]

Part of it is a choice that we want better times. For times when we can't change life around us. I have experienced a breakdown but it would be a very different circumstance to yours I wish I could offer I some closer solidarity to help the sense of isolation you say you feel. While I can't relate to what you're feeling I'm wishing you mercy

[Old Wolf]

This exact thing is going on with everybody I know. I cannot explain it. Everyone, super nice, self-aware people, is being triggered, hurt, upset as you say 'hyper-sensitive'. We are all getting through it, but we have to slow down and watch our words. There are also some flu symptoms so I have to wonder.

I pick up all the energies - of everyone - it's automatic and whatever I've been trying or not trying to do - shielding whatever doesn't help because my aura has been shot since inception/en vitro. Not many of us are still standing - and there's a reason for that. Everything goes through us because there's no so-called protective shield around the emotional/mental planes. Don't know what that's called - it's just blown wide open. For good and bad which is why I steer clear whenever I can because I know it's not healthy.
I don't think I'm quite as extreme as you but raising my vibration has definitely helped with this. It's actually quite easy to do once you've done it once. I don't know how to explain it .. close your eyes, lighten your chest (around your lungs, about the top of your heart) and patiently raise away. Ignore all distractions and just focus on raising the frequency of your chest.

Hold your space, it's your life and you decide how you're going to experience it. Find ways to release the pressure .. crying, screaming, punching cushions, whatever works. Expel and don't let those heavy feelings drag you down. Explore tools that might help you .. diet, exercise, getting into nature, singing or even more extreme pleasure seeking. Only you can figure out what works for you and only you can do it for yourself.

You can definitely do it, there are plenty of people here who know that for certain.

Kindly.

[PathWalker]

LiquidMind. Your call for support is heard and answered.

Thank you for this amazing thread, your painful reach out is serving many.
Avalon forum is a place of support and healing. It helped me greatly, and if you allow yourself you will receive the healing as well.

You are supported and cherished, when you request assistance. More than that you deserve all the support to assist you take your responsibility/sovereignty again. That is a cosmic law.

1. When you are ready, sense the rays of healing and support coming your way now. From many Avalonians.
2. When you feel/sense the healing, store the memory. Revive and repeat the sense it to intensify the healing.
3. Slow breathing technique (breath to count of 5-7, at least 12 times) helps calm the mind, breaks negative thought patterns.

You are healing and supported.
Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[LiquidMind]

Hi LiquidMind,

Although I can't completely understand where you're coming from, I've encountered and continue to encounter the same feelings .. especially recently. It's become crucial for me to learn to relax completely, understand my feelings and use my mind to clearly analyse what's going on in my life and why it's bothering me so much. It's taken a very long time for me to come to terms with what's wrong with many situations because of the complexity involved. I don't know about you but I have this inherently strong sense of right and wrong and when something "hits the wrong button", it bothers me, depresses me and I dwell on it. I tried for a long time to just "turn off" and stop dwelling on it but it doesn't help. It's necessary for me to figure out what's wrong and once I understand then it stops bothering me. But it's never just one thing, it's lots of things and that's where my depression creeps in, the thousand cuts are overwhelming.

I've discovered that finding simple pleasures that lift my mood really help. Chocoiate is fast becoming a favourite, along with other sweets :) Yes, my teeth really are rotting out of my head but ironically, I want to smile. I spend much time on my own in nature (bushwalking, 4w driving, sitting by rivers, walking barefoot in streams), the forest and animals have a very supportive energy. I meditate regularly and have recently started directly raising my vibration while meditating allowing me to more easily let go of the pain I'm carrying. It's definitely not easy and the going is slow but I'm gradually feeling better and better.

I've wondered many times why I'm still alive but in my heart I know that if there wasn't purpose to my going through this, I'd already be dead. It's definitely darkest before the dawn and I can sense the depths of your pain. I don't know the details of what you're feeling and why, but I'm going through a similar thing and starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

However isolated you feel, you're not alone.

Kindly.

Thank you kindly.

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I hear you LiquidMind and it is what it is and that is, what it is.............and that is okay too, unless you want more and if you do then give yourself permission and go get it. :hug:

Thank you, Sandy - thank you kitty if you sent the sentiments too.

[Carmody]

Vulnerability to depression linked to noradrenaline (http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-02-vulnerability-depression-linked-noradrenaline.html)

[Hazelfern]

I will never find the answer to anything at the bottom of the <a> bottle.
The bottle seems like my only friend, right?
Numb the pain but then the pain becomes self hatred.
There are rooms that are off the grid for folks like us.
Hear me now, I am not sounding off as a sanctimonious a-hole.
I am with you.

[Chester]

Never stop communicating. Protect yourself appropriately, but don't remove yourself from kind, sensitive people.
Always try to do something positive each day, even if it's the tiniest little thing.
DON'T DON'T DON'T resort to alcohol or drugs (of any kind). They don't help in the long term — at all.
Try to be active — again, even a little bit. Force yourself to go for a walk every day, even a short one.
Some supplements help a lot. When depressed or stressed, one can burn up B-vitamins, for instance, really fast.
Rescue Remedy (http://www.bachflower.com/rescue-remedy-information) (sometimes called Crisis Formula (http://www.bachcentre.com/centre/38/rescue.htm)) is wonderful. Simple, very inexpensive, and remarkably effective and helpful.
Sleep can be profoundly healing. Again, DON'T use pharmaceutical solutions. Melatonin works pretty well if one is having trouble getting to sleep. (Try different brands, maybe... many people find some more effective than others.)


Two weeks back, our family discovered that my oldest son, Stephen, was experiencing a pretty heavy psychosis. This is now the second time, the first was four years ago where he ended up being hospitalized for close to a month.

This time, being more experienced with psychosis, he disguised it well until he started cracking up. The family had no clue if we could or should do anything because despite that we implored him to get help (and offered to get him that help) he refused and took off in his car. During this two weeks he has "moved" 5 times due to him becoming angry and belligerent. The last place he landed was at his grandfather's (on his mother's side) home where both the grandfather and his wife use marijuana and take high powered prescription drugs such as oxycontin and hydrocodone. They even gave him some of the pills because (according to them) he would never sleep. Sadly, in cases such as this... these things usually increase the psychosis.

So last Thursday a week ago, he went missing. He has a car which he left in but he left without his cellphone. We heard nothing for two days. Then we heard from his mother (my ex-wife, Mandy) that he had been at his ex-girlfriends house where they called the police on him). We found the jail trail and discovered he was only arrested for outstanding ticket warrants (he had 4 in two different jurisdictions). The good news was that he could not get his hands on alcohol or marijuana or other drugs.

On Sunday he was to be released OR (if Dallas decided to) sent to the Dallas County Jail for the last two outstanding ticket issues. We called the jail on Sunday morning and was told he was released. My son, Anthony, went to look for Stephen. Suddenly there was a knock at the door and it was Stephen. I implored he get help. He refused. But he had nowhere to go as his grandparents "left town" for a week. I told him the only way he could stay with me is if he followed my instructions completely. This is why I quoted your post, Bill.

We all made him feel safe and very much loved... we talked with him much.

We ensured he had zero access to alcohol, marijuana or any other drug.

On Monday I got him the B-12 shot and we loaded up on B vitamins and a men's multi-vitamin.

We fed him and fed him and implored him to sleep. The first night he actually slept 10 hours.

Things were looking good until Wednesday came when he got a hold of some money he was waiting for. He took off in his car and we learned a day later he was right back to smoking weed. He didn't even come home on Wednesday night. Yet Thursday he shows up and promises no weed or drinking or any drugs. Within one hour I discovered him about to smoke weed. I didn't make any scene but I told him he had to go. He begged me not to call the "nut house cops" on him and I really can't bring myself to do it (and at this point he was no longer full blown psychotic)

I got the Rescuee Remedy which sadly arrived after Stephen had left.

But I know it is just a matter of time for Stephen. I pray he doesn't hurt someone or himself. Despite that I am convinced a person like this can't get help unless they truly want it... the dilemma is that if he gets worse (like he was the week before when he went to his ex-girlriends house) and he does end up hurting someone or himself, how can I live with myself knowing I could have prevented this?

I apologize to post this in this thread and if asked, I will move it.

These things cannot be any more serious.

[Hazelfern]

Hi Sam,

Short of committing him, what can be done?

I was up against a similar situation with a family member, a sibling, not a child of mine and I know there is a huge difference in how we can move forward without massive guilt.

I feel your pain. I will keep your son in my thoughts. Praying for intervention.

I understand your torment, completely

[Chester]

so bringing it back to LiquidMind...

please... whatever you do, do not compound it or make it more complicated by mixing in drugs or alcohol. And if drugs or alcohol are already part of the mix here, consider how important it may be to remove them... any way you can, from the mix.

Sam

[LiquidMind]

That is a beautiful depiction of what I'd like to believe that my inner landscape is like. All alive - bright - lit with vital energy, grounded and blessed with a balanced eco-system that produces beauty and sustenance. A blessing for humanity.

[LiquidMind]

I would self-regulate in other less destructive ways - and have - but I am not able to do so now for lack of resources. I do not like to drink but this does the job of regulation of the emotions when I am being bombarded with anxiety. I am very sensitive to just about everything and it doesn't take much to bring me to that point of just needing to calm down. Right now, I am drinking one bottle of wine and taking one sedative just to keep me going. I am also sleeping more. Dealing with a very serious issue with my friend and have been losing loved ones for years straight. I am trying, trying, trying to find an answer on how to heal myself without these lethal substances, trust. I am not that person who is a drinker - but am literally at my wit's end with zero coping skills and isolated. Not a good combo. I do have great appreciation for the very very kind souls here on this forum who I feel are incredibly sensitive and caring. I am grateful. For the record I am dealing with some very heavy stuff - not inclusive of the losses of my loved ones, but developmental at its core, specifically early childhood trauma that's taken a real toll on my psyche. There are issues of loss of self in the mix from a very young age. So I can't say that this is an easy fix. I am coping the only way I can with what I have at the moment. In previous times, I've smoked weed, isolated and did my research on how to get this cured. Now because of the additional things coming my way, it's all too much - with no resources to smoke. In a perfect world, I'd be somewhere else geographically and micro-dose mushrooms in homeopathic doses which have proved in the past to be 100% beneficial for seeing clearly beyond the trauma. The only problem was, it was too short-lived and I did not have the benefit of working with someone who could guide me through.

so bringing it back to LiquidMind...

please... whatever you do, do not compound it or make it more complicated by mixing in drugs or alcohol. And if drugs or alcohol are already part of the mix here, consider how important it may be to remove them... any way you can, from the mix.

Sam

[LiquidMind]

BTW - re Rescue Remedy - I probably use one 20ml bottle up every 2 months. It's been a constant help for me and mine.

[LiquidMind]

Nutrition and supplements aren't making any dents that I can notice at all.

I keep taking them to offset the effects of the alcohol but am also now using food as a way to calm down - emotional eating. It's a dark place. What haven't I already bought to help? I have a complete natural food pharmacy right here - I think I just need to go a radical healing route now.

Something very radical - the most far-out, radical thing available to someone who has never been loved.


Dear One. I have also been torn asunder by situations which offer bad outcomes whichever way I turn. The term which has described me is "a caretaker". A lifetime of being tossed too and fro has me angry and exhausted; however, recently, I heard a radio report on low grade and other depression. It seems that the prevailing story about how much vitamin C we need has us all in the beginnings of SCURVEY. We should be getting many thousands of milligrams of easily absorbable multiple sources of Vit. C per day. In addition, nutritional yeast and a fine multi-vitamin mineral, only available at a good Health Food Store is a fine place to begin. The Vitamin C comes in individual packets in the form of crystals derived from multiple sources. It is delicious. Dissolve in water and drink. Nutritional Yeast Flakes are the best tasting and are taken similar to the Vitamin C. Our diets are STARVING our brains and we are entering into dementia and alzheimer's as a result. Also important fish oils and ground Linseed added to anything we cook such as rice or cereals. If your skin is dry you need Linseed and Fish Oils and WATER. As your skin goes, so goes your BRAIN and HEART. Drag yourself out of your hole by feeding yourself so that you have the resources to tackle life's problems. The product I am using is called EMERGEN-C and also contains some 7 B Vitamins and other necessary things. TRY IT.

[LiquidMind]

it's just confusing to have this right in the middle. Maybe another thread would be a good idea.






Never stop communicating. Protect yourself appropriately, but don't remove yourself from kind, sensitive people.
Always try to do something positive each day, even if it's the tiniest little thing.
DON'T DON'T DON'T resort to alcohol or drugs (of any kind). They don't help in the long term — at all.
Try to be active — again, even a little bit. Force yourself to go for a walk every day, even a short one.
Some supplements help a lot. When depressed or stressed, one can burn up B-vitamins, for instance, really fast.
Rescue Remedy (http://www.bachflower.com/rescue-remedy-information) (sometimes called Crisis Formula (http://www.bachcentre.com/centre/38/rescue.htm)) is wonderful. Simple, very inexpensive, and remarkably effective and helpful.
Sleep can be profoundly healing. Again, DON'T use pharmaceutical solutions. Melatonin works pretty well if one is having trouble getting to sleep. (Try different brands, maybe... many people find some more effective than others.)


Two weeks back, our family discovered that my oldest son, Stephen, was experiencing a pretty heavy psychosis. This is now the second time, the first was four years ago where he ended up being hospitalized for close to a month.

This time, being more experienced with psychosis, he disguised it well until he started cracking up. The family had no clue if we could or should do anything because despite that we implored him to get help (and offered to get him that help) he refused and took off in his car. During this two weeks he has "moved" 5 times due to him becoming angry and belligerent. The last place he landed was at his grandfather's (on his mother's side) home where both the grandfather and his wife use marijuana and take high powered prescription drugs such as oxycontin and hydrocodone. They even gave him some of the pills because (according to them) he would never sleep. Sadly, in cases such as this... these things usually increase the psychosis.

So last Thursday a week ago, he went missing. He has a car which he left in but he left without his cellphone. We heard nothing for two days. Then we heard from his mother (my ex-wife, Mandy) that he had been at his ex-girlfriends house where they called the police on him). We found the jail trail and discovered he was only arrested for outstanding ticket warrants (he had 4 in two different jurisdictions). The good news was that he could not get his hands on alcohol or marijuana or other drugs.

On Sunday he was to be released OR (if Dallas decided to) sent to the Dallas County Jail for the last two outstanding ticket issues. We called the jail on Sunday morning and was told he was released. My son, Anthony, went to look for Stephen. Suddenly there was a knock at the door and it was Stephen. I implored he get help. He refused. But he had nowhere to go as his grandparents "left town" for a week. I told him the only way he could stay with me is if he followed my instructions completely. This is why I quoted your post, Bill.

We all made him feel safe and very much loved... we talked with him much.

We ensured he had zero access to alcohol, marijuana or any other drug.

On Monday I got him the B-12 shot and we loaded up on B vitamins and a men's multi-vitamin.

We fed him and fed him and implored him to sleep. The first night he actually slept 10 hours.

Things were looking good until Wednesday came when he got a hold of some money he was waiting for. He took off in his car and we learned a day later he was right back to smoking weed. He didn't even come home on Wednesday night. Yet Thursday he shows up and promises no weed or drinking or any drugs. Within one hour I discovered him about to smoke weed. I didn't make any scene but I told him he had to go. He begged me not to call the "nut house cops" on him and I really can't bring myself to do it (and at this point he was no longer full blown psychotic)

I got the Rescuee Remedy which sadly arrived after Stephen had left.

But I know it is just a matter of time for Stephen. I pray he doesn't hurt someone or himself. Despite that I am convinced a person like this can't get help unless they truly want it... the dilemma is that if he gets worse (like he was the week before when he went to his ex-girlriends house) and he does end up hurting someone or himself, how can I live with myself knowing I could have prevented this?

I apologize to post this in this thread and if asked, I will move it.

These things cannot be any more serious.

[OBwan]

Liquidmind,

I assisted a lady who was on drugs for depression by using the following process. After using the process she is off drugs and her life has moved forward in many ways.

The lady I guided used this process for a month on all the pictures that came to her mind that triggered feeling of depression. If you can determine the pictures you think about when you are feeling depressed and use the process it may help.

The process has a proven track rack record. For example, a police officer who had horrific memories of situations from his job used the process and he no longer had the negative emotional response when he recalled the pictures of the situation. The anger associated with an abuser went away after using the process is another example. For me, it has allowed me to live with less fear.

Be In Peace,
OBwan

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76245-How-to-Remove-Fearful-Feeling-from-Past-Memories&p=891906

[Enola]

Nutrition and supplements aren't making any dents that I can notice at all.

I keep taking them to offset the effects of the alcohol

You need to give up the alcohol first before you really know how diet and supplements are effecting you.

Drinking means you're always full of toxins which is depressing in itself. Stop drinking and take anti-oxidants for a while and then see how you feel.

I know you might say "I can't stop drinking until I feel better" but it doesn't work like that. It's the other way around.

[LiquidMind]

I am not addicted to alcohol or to any substance. I can take it or leave it - consciously. Have and am.

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It's not a one size fit all solution alas. There is merit in what is there, but there are memories that need to be repaired and recoded.



Liquidmind,

I assisted a lady who was on drugs for depression by using the following process. After using the process she is off drugs and her life has moved forward in many ways.

The lady I guided used this process for a month on all the pictures that came to her mind that triggered feeling of depression. If you can determine the pictures you think about when you are feeling depressed and use the process it may help.

The process has a proven track rack record. For example, a police officer who had horrific memories of situations from his job used the process and he no longer had the negative emotional response when he recalled the pictures of the situation. The anger associated with an abuser went away after using the process is another example. For me, it has allowed me to live with less fear.

Be In Peace,
OBwan

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76245-How-to-Remove-Fearful-Feeling-from-Past-Memories&p=891906