A major key to a long and healthy life: fasting or a ketogenic diet

[ThePythonicCow]

Almost two years ago, Hervé posted the thread Ketogenic Diet Beats Chemo For Almost All Cancers (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72429-Ketogenic-Diet-Beats-Chemo-For-Almost-All-Cancers).

The research continues to roll in. A ketogenic (high fat, low carb) diet is not just for cancer; it's also for most other chronic diseases that are our major killers, including heart disease, diabetes, and Alzheimer's. Our grain and carb based diet is the major cause of our poor health. Such a diet may be "good business", lots of cheap food with long shelf life, and lots of sick patients to keep the medical and drug companies profitable. But the evidence is becoming well known and compelling: Cut the grains and carbs way back if you want a good chance of living a long and healthy and mentally alert life. Switch to a high fat (various healthy fats) for one's main energy source.

It's time for a thread covering this topic again, from a wider perspective beyond just cancer.

I encourage you to listen to Dr Mercola interview Travis Christofferson on this topic:
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[ P.S. - Dr Mercola's Youtube channel has been terminated in subsequent years. You can find the audio for his interview with Travis Christofferson at various websites, such as at: https://shows.acast.com/5eb9615d964d9a053808a503/5eb96181d399a5335aec0e29 . -- ThePythoniccow, 7 Sep 2023 ].

I am quite sure that Travis Christofferson, and probably Dr Mercola too, are on a ketogenic diet. They are good examples that one can be healthy and mentally sharp on such a diet <grin>.

Notice toward the end of this Mercola interview that Travis Christofferson says that excess glucose can directly damage cell mitochondria. It's the damaged mitochondria that switch to generating the enzyme hexokinase II form of hexokinase. Travis quoting Young Hee Ko at 1:05:27:
"If you give too much sugar to cells, they start exhibiting all the phenotypes of cancer." Travis then goes on to describe his reaction to Young's (apparently not yet published) results
"So I was very surprised that glucose by itself, at least within that model, can start to shift the cell towards ... what it does is it upregulates the expression of this super important enzyme called "hexokinase II" which by itself is responsible for the Warburg effect and responsible for a large degree of the immortalization of the cancer cell."

As type 1 diabetics learn the hard way, controlling glucose levels in the blood is essential to health. If they do not methodically manage their blood glucose levels, then they suffer all manner of ailments, including blindness, circulation failing leading to limb amputations, cancer and heart disease.

I encourage you to read Travis Christofferson's important and readable book, Tripping Over the Truth: The Return of the Metabolic Theory of Cancer Illuminates a New and Hopeful Path to a Cure (http://smile.amazon.com/dp/1500600318). This book is currently Number One in Amazon's Oncology section (http://smile.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/689753011/ref=zg_b_bs_689753011_1).

I also recommend David Perlmutter's two books Grain Brain (http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00BAXFCPO) and Brain Maker (http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00MEMMS9I). Perlmutter goes into considerable detail of the importance of using some means, such as exercise, fasting and/or a low carb, high fat, diet to keep the body more ketonic, and avoid the wide variety of chronic illnesses caused by high glucose levels in the body. These two books are currently Number One and Two in Amazon's Nervous System Diseases section (http://smile.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/digital-text/156476011/ref=sr_bs_1) .

My summation of the science behind this:


Almost all cancers are caused by a metabolic, not a genetic, disorder. By that I mean, they are not caused by some damage to your DNA; they are caused by too much damage to your mitochondria, which are the cell's primary energy generator, converting glucose or ketones to the cell's primary fuel, ATP. The usual DNA damage comes later in the process.

It is well established that the cells in cancer tumors have significantly fewer, seriously damaged, mitochondria. It has also been suspected since Nobel laureate Otto Heinrich Warburg postulated what's called the Warburg effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_effect) in 1926, that cancer cells are voracious consumers of glucose, and that they produce lactic acid in large amounts. Studies in the last decade have demonstrated that the Warburg effect manifests in more or less all cancers. The common cause of cancer is metabolic, and manifests these metabolic changes.

The form (isozyme) of the hexokinase enzyme called "hexokinase II", which damaged cells start to generate, is the key initial indicator of a cell turned cancerous. "Hexokinase II" by itself causes a chain reaction of changes that convert the cell to an "immortal" (cell aptosis, aka cell death, disabled) glucose fermenting, lactic acid generating (which kills neighboring healthy cells or turns them cancerous too) cell. Healthy cells use other forms of the hexokinase enzyme, not the "hexokinase II" form.

That one variant of the hexokinase enzyme radically changes the cells metabolism ... the sequence of chemical reactions by which it carries out its essential operations. Healthy cells use other forms of the hexokinase enzyme; cancer cells use the "hexokinase II" form

Too much sugar, for too long, weakens the cell's mitochondria, causing the cell to convert its metabolish to generating the "hexokinase II" isozyme of hexokinase enzyme, which turns that cell cancerous.

Once a cell's metabolism has converted from using oxidation (whether ketones or glucose) to using fermentation, then this causes a cascade of other internal damage to the cell, including DNA mutations. The DNA mutations found in cancer cells are a side-effect, not the cause, in most cases.

If it's just a few such cells, and the body is healthy enough, that cancerous cell will be destroyed. We all likely have thousands of such cells in our body. But if some tissue of the body is weakened perhaps by some other injury or toxin, then the cancerous cells start to win the battle..

Ways to maintain the body's ability to manage its glucose levels:

Intense exercise to burn off excess glucose
Fasting, which periodically draws down existing glucose stores in the body (and therefore, in my estimation, thereby enables the body to continue to manage it's blood glucose levels better.)
Ketogenic diet, which switches diet to fat/ketone combustion instead of carbohydrate/glucose combustion
Caloric restriction ... chronic near-starvation


All the major chronic illnesses afflicting humans on a "modern" diet are significantly or substantially healed or impacted by this, including ,most cancers, heart and cardio-vascular diseases, hypertension, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, epilepsy, diabetes, ...

My personal immediate plans to adapt my diet:


Personally, I intend to do a one time fast of perhaps 5 to 7 days (I've never done a fast for more than a day before), and then switch to a ketogenic diet. Currently I am figuring out what foods I enjoy eating that fit in a ketogenic diet and acquiring them. I will already be comfortable with and accustomed to a high fat diet, before starting the fast. I am also about to get some blood tests done, so that I can get some before and after metrics. Life Extension Institute, lef.com, sells blood tests for those in the US who don't have their own regular doctor, which is my situation. I will also start tracking my weight, waist size, blood glucose (many economical means to do so, sold to a large market of diabetics), and blood ketones (more expensive ... but doable with good accuracy at home for about $5/test with a Precision Xtra meter and test strips.) The initial fast is supposed to be a good way to get one's body transitioning from carbohydrate/glucose based energy to fat/ketone based energy, except for a few places where the body still needs to use glucose. My diet will still have 10 or 20 % of its calories from carbs (difficult to get lower than that), and the liver will convert fat to glucose, when needed by some tissue that requires glucose. Apparently the brain runs just fine on ketones, once it has converted. The conversion process takes 3 or 4 weeks, but apparently once one gets through the first few days of the week long fast, the rest is easier.

As Dr Mercola points out in the above Youtube video interview of Travis Christofferson, ketones are much cleaner burning than glucose. When mitochondria burns glucose to make ATP, the reaction creates various Reactive Oxidative Species (ROS), which are harmful to the cell, and require anti-oxidants in ample supply to neutralize. Ketone burning has no such harmful by-products.

Here's a good article that explains in more detail why ketones are better than glucose for our primary fuel: A Metabolic Paradigm Shift, or Why Fat is the Preferred Fuel for Human Metabolism (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/a-metabolic-paradigm-shift-fat-carbs-human-body-metabolism/). As noted in one of the comments to this article, our heart actually prefers ketones over glucose, so long as it has a choice. I guess that's why, when I was a long distance running in my youth (long, long ago), even if I ran so far and hard that my leg muscles could barely walk, tired from the lactic acid built up, I never had to worry that my heart would get too tired to beat.

[ThePythonicCow]

The form (isozyme) of the hexokinase enzyme called "hexokinase II", which damaged cells start to generate, is the key initial indicator of a cell turned cancerous.
Here's the Abstract from the 2006 paper Hexokinase II: Cancer's double-edged sword acting as both facilitator and gatekeeper of malignancy when bound to mitochondria" (http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v25/n34/full/1209603a.html) by three key researchers in this area that provide more detail of this:

A key hallmark of many cancers, particularly the most aggressive, is the capacity to metabolize glucose at an elevated rate, a phenotype detected clinically using positron emission tomography (PET). This phenotype provides cancer cells, including those that participate in metastasis, a distinct competitive edge over normal cells.

Specifically, after rapid entry of glucose into cancer cells on the glucose transporter, the highly glycolytic phenotype is supported by hexokinase (primarily HK II) that is overexpressed and bound to the outer mitochondrial membrane via the porin-like protein voltage-dependent anion channel (VDAC). This protein and the adenine nucleotide transporter move ATP, newly synthesized by the inner membrane located ATP synthase, to active sites on HK II.

The abundant amounts of HK II bind both the ATP and the incoming glucose producing the product glucose-6-phosphate, also at an elevated rate. This critical metabolite then serves both as a biosynthetic precursor to support cell proliferation and as a precursor for lactic acid, the latter exiting cancer cells causing an unfavorable environment for normal cells.

Although helping facilitate this chemical warfare, HK II via its mitochondrial location also suppresses the death of cancer cells, thus increasing their possibility for metastasis and the ultimate death of the human host.

For these reasons, targeting this key enzyme is currently being investigated in several laboratories in a strategy to develop novel therapies that may turn the tide on the continuing struggle to find effective cures for cancer. One such candidate is 3-bromopyruvate that has been shown recently to eradicate advanced stage, PET positive hepatocellular carcinomas in an animal model without apparent harm to the animals.

[ThePythonicCow]

My summation of the science behind this:
Here's a talk by Thomas Seyfried with more detail into this science. Travis Christofferson, mentioned above, writes more for a wider audience, whereas Thomas Seyfried is more focused on the research details, especially in brain cancer. Christofferson gives much credit to Seyfried for the science behind his work.

Thomas Seyfried, Ph.D. presenting at the 2nd Annual Ancestral Health Symposium, January 2013: Targeting Energy Metabolism in Brain Cancer
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Here's a Dr Mercola article, explaining Dr Seyfried's work to a wider audience: The Benefits of a Ketogenic Diet and Its Role in Cancer Treatment (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/16/ketogenic-diet-benefits.aspx)

[ThePythonicCow]

I encourage you to read Travis Christofferson's important and readable book, Tripping Over the Truth: The Return of the Metabolic Theory of Cancer Illuminates a New and Hopeful Path to a Cure (http://smile.amazon.com/dp/1500600318). This book is currently Number One in Amazon's Oncology section (http://smile.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/689753011/ref=zg_b_bs_689753011_1).
Here are couple of articles by Travis Christofferson that covers some of the same material as his book, that can be read far more quickly than his book:
What Is The Origin of Cancer? (http://robbwolf.com/2013/09/19/origin-cancer/)
Tripping Over the Truth: The Metabolic Theory of Cancer (http://pastpresentpaleo.com/tripping-over-the-truth-by-travis-christofferson/)

[ThePythonicCow]

This website explains how ketogenic diets address a number of major chronic illnesses and goes into details and recipes for such a diet: Ketogenic Diet Resource (http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/). The site is the work of Ellen Davis. She has a Master's degree in Applied Clinical Nutrition,

[ThePythonicCow]

As Dr Mercola points out in the above Youtube video interview of Travis Christofferson, ketones are much cleaner burning than glucose. When mitochondria burns glucose to make ATP, the reaction creates various Reactive Oxidative Species (ROS), which are harmful to the cell, and require anti-oxidants in ample supply to neutralize. Ketone burning has no such harmful by-products.
A research paper from 2003 further highlights the harm caused by burning glucose, rather than ketones, as the body's primary source of energy. Glucose burning generates various harmful Reactive Oxidative Species (ROS), which may be the common cause of both diabetes and cardiovascular disease, as well as the other chronic illnesses that I have further documented above, such as cancer and various brain diseases, for example epilepsy and Alzheimer's. The paper is Is Oxidative Stress the Pathogenic Mechanism Underlying Insulin Resistance, Diabetes, and Cardiovascular Disease? The Common Soil Hypothesis Revisited (http://atvb.ahajournals.org/content/24/5/816.full).

All those anti-oxidants that we've been encouraged to eat ... apparently the main oxidizers they have to counter-act are the ROS by-products of burning glucose.

A major cause of aging ... reduced mitochondria capacity ... may be caused by the ROS by-products of burning glucose, harming the mitochondria doing the burning.

Burning ketones instead, from a predominantly fat based diet, may avoid these problems. Ketone burning doesn't have toxic oxidizing by-products,

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's another paper, this one from 2014, that comes to similar conclusions. The paper is Long-term models of oxidative stress and mitochondrial damage in insulin resistance progression. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24076453).

It's abstract reads in part:

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Oxidative stress, which develops through an accumulation of toxic reactive oxygen species generated by mitochondria, is believed to contribute to insulin resistance in certain tissues. We develop mathematical models of feedback between reactive oxygen species production and dysfunction in mitochondria to provide insight into the role of oxidative stress in insulin resistance. Our models indicate that oxidative stress generated by glucose overload accelerates irreversible mitochondrial dysfunction.
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Notice the part I marked with bold: "... oxidative stress generated by glucose overload accelerates irreversible mitochondrial dysfunction."

[thunder24]

what is everyone trying to extend life for?

[ThePythonicCow]

So ... the main cancer sequence is this:

When mitochondria burn glucose to make ATP, they create toxic ROS (oxidative) by-products.
These ROS by-products eventually destroy the mitochondria.
The cell then switches to the hexokinase enzyme called "hexokinase II", which in turn switches the cell to using fermentation to make ATP. Mitochondria are not needed for that. A cell without functioning mitochondria must switch to fermentation, or die for lack of its essential fuel, ATP.
Fermenting cells, using the enzyme called "hexokinase II", change into cancerous cells (multiply rapidly, never die, greedy for glucose to feed the fermentation, and killing healthy neighboring cells with the lactic acid produced by the fermentation.)
The random DNA damage seen in some cancerous cells is just part of the damage caused by the fermentation and its toxic by-products, such as lactic acid.

The main sequence for most other major chronic diseases starts with the same first three steps.

Burning ketones, which most cells in the body can adapt to just fine, stops this sequence at the first step - no toxic by-products.

[ThePythonicCow]

what is everyone trying to extend life for?

This is not just about how many years we live, but how many years we are healthy, of clear mind and able to tend to our own affairs.

This is not just about my personal life, but is about working with others to understand how to live better, and to resist the toxic medical practices of the bastards currently in charge of main stream "medicine"

[thunder24]

dealing with someone who is dying of lung, liver and brain cancer at the moment i can tell you...goodluck, and quit breathing the air its toxic, that might help extend it...

[Calz]

I can chime in that I'm about 90% certain I cured myself of (male) breast cancer by this method.

I say 90% because I never confirmed getting or ridding myself of it ... why bother with western medicine as far as "maintenance"?

Couple years back I had pain and lumps in both breasts lasting several months.

I started with a 2 week fast (lemonade diet) and followed the advice in the book "The Cantin Ketogenic Diet" by Elaine Cantin.

After about 4 months I was fine. Have not noticed any reoccurrence since.

[Napping]

Some seriously shaky research trying to link carbs with cancer, I'm not buying that. I do certainly agree that our propensity to eat too much carbs and being sedentary slobs is highly correlated with a number of chronic diseases.

I've suffered chronic fatigue syndrome or something of its variety for many years and since reducing processed carbohydrate and commencing intermittent fasting I've noted remarkable improvements including improved clarity of thought, improved sleep patterns, refreshed sleep, marked increase in energy and labido and improved ability to tolerate exercise of any type.

I simply skip breakfast, drink a black coffee for morning tea, lime favoured soda water around midday followed by a protein and salad based lunch and a protein and salad based dinner. Limiting the processed carbs means I have no craving for them and are no longer ruled by them. I also do heavy weights as bouts of high intensity exercise, but only a couple of times per week.

At the end of the day if a fear of processed carbs causing cancer helps you to reduce their intake and gets you off the lounge, then great. I just see flawed evidence depicting that link. There's plenty of other worthwhile reasons to do it. Eg increased abdominal fat is directly correlated with cancer, as is being sedentary.

Matt

[ThePythonicCow]

Some seriously shaky research trying to link carbs with cancer, I'm not buying that. I do certainly agree that our propensity to eat too much carbs and being sedentary slobs is highly correlated with a number of chronic diseases.

... chronic fatigue syndrome ... increased abdominal fat ... sedentary.

Yes, chronic fatigue syndrome and the similar "metabolic syndrome" are two of the many chronic illnesses mentioned in the material I linked above.

Yes, abdominal fat is also a symptom of this. The body deals for a long time with excess carb intake by storing it as fat. Like bears fattening up for their long hibernation, this can be a useful means of surviving cold winters. This is why I will "start tracking my weight, waist size" (as I noted in the opening Post #1, above).

Yes, intense exercise is one way to handle a high carb intake, that burns off the carbs, instead of storing them. Such does cause tissue damage, both from the physical activity itself, and from burning glucose in the tissues of the joints and muscles doing the exercise. But one can remain quite healthy and alert for a long time this way, as the rest of one's body, not directly involved in the activity, enjoys a low carb, more ketogenic, environment.

If however we don't exercise enough to burn off the carbs we eat, we then store the carbs in our cells. Eventually our fat stores become full, our insulin mechanism that enables this storage becomes overworked even as our cells become resistant to the increasing levels of insulin, and the burning of glucose (from carbs) rather than ketones (from fats, especially healthy saturated fats) has caused massive damage to our mitochondria.

Cells switch to fermentation when their mitochondria have become too devastated from burning glucose to continue producing (whether by burning glucose or burning ketones) the ATP our cells require.

As Otto Warburg observed almost a century ago, and as has been closely validated by research over the last decade, cell fermentation is a hallmark of almost all cancers.

In other words, everything that you report from your personal experience, as best as I understand your post, is entirely consistent with what I've been reporting in this thread.

Just add in a wee bit of research that has been well demonstrated over the last decade, and you can see where that leads to cancer, in (more or less) all its variant forms.

As best as I can tell, that wee bit of research, repeated by multiple researchers in multiple ways around the world, is not "seriously shaky" ... not even a wee bit shaky <grin>.

[Baby Steps]

THIS IS REALLY EXCELLENT

1. If one is over weight, then by definition we have excess insulin (due to insulin resistance) that stimulates excess fat deposition. The insulin resistance is partly a chromium/vanadium deficiency, and partly that the cells cannot import glucose due to the receptors being clogged with fat. The body's response is to make more insulin, but due to the resistance, blood glucose is over the top. I believe ketosis is the key to reversing this as it gets us off the glucose/fat merry-go-round and increases glucose sensitivity.
2. Excessive blood glucose helps cancer cells to thrive, it may give them the edge over the immune system.Any strategy to maintain lower blood glucose will assist, so any weight loss/anti diabetes regime may help. Metformin is being looked at:

https://www.mdanderson.org/publications/oncolog/november-december-2014/beyond-diabetes-metformin-may-have-broad-utility-in-cancer.html

Cinnamon is cyto-toxic to cancer cells & assists with glucose uptake (I wonder if that is a coincidence?)

3. There has been research indicating that a crash diet for a brief time can reverse type 2 diabetes, because fatty deposits around the liver and pancreas are implicated

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/8594293/Crash-course-diet-reverses-Type-2-diabetes-in-a-week.html

4. I believe that oxygen is part of the complex. If the cells are drowning they resort to anoxic fermentation of glucose.

http://drsircus.com/medicine/cancer/the-key-drivers-of-cancer-growth-are

So strategies to get tissue oxygen levels up, starting with a brisk walk might be good.

5. Research suggests that cancerous cells can revert if the mitochondria can be re-activated.

PQQ with coenzyme Q10 are very good for mitochondria.

http://doctormurray.com/pqq-the-next-nutrient-superstar/

6. A brief fast stimulates the body to replace/reproduce its mitochondria:

http://www.lmreview.com/articles/view/beyond-the-mitochondrial-tune-up-part-III/

7. If you take in a glucose analogue molecule-that cells cannot use to metabolise - but recognise as glucose - this may be cyto toxic to cancer:

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02618247

8. Insulin Potentiation Therapy is well established. You take insulin, blood glucose falls, healthy cells switch to ketosis, whereas cancer cells starve and are more vulnerable to the chemo (or any other cytotoxic agent)

http://www.euro-med.us/cancer-treatment/insulin-potentiation-therapy.cfm

God bless

[ThePythonicCow]

On a side note ... one might wonder if we went heavily ketogenic in our diet and metabolism, then why could we not live forever?

There's at least one other, separate, process that limits our body's lifetime. As explained in Can Science Make Us Immortal? (http://www.viewzone.com/aging.html) and Are Telomeres The Key To Aging And Cancer? (http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/chromosomes/telomeres/), the telomeres which protect the ends of our DNA get shorter each time a cell divides. Eventually, the telomeres get too short, and too much DNA is lost.

(Though I disagree with the implications of the "and Cancer" part of that second article's title ... cancer is primarily a metabolic disease, not a genetic disease ... cancer causes more rapid shortening of our telomeres, and other random genetic damage due to the highly toxic environment within and around a cancerous cell. In other words, usually cancer causes damage to DNA, not the other way around. Actually, if you read what that second article says about telomeres and cancer, you'll see that it agrees with me.)

[TargeT]

what is everyone trying to extend life for?

quality of life & life extension are two very different things ;)


FWIW: I practice caloric restriction, for the past 8 months or so (since I was injured and not burning many calories) I've eaten once a day with maybe a light snack mixed in... I've slowly been loosing weight (fat for sure, but probably some muscle mass as well). And for me this works perfectly fine, plus it's a hell of a lot cheaper since I like to eat out... I just had a full panel blood test; my testosterone was a touch low (I tribute this to head trauma, not diet), but other than that my numbers were great (though at 36, this isn't too much of a surprise).

Logically 3 meals a day makes no sense to me if our body is designed to be a (or functions as a) hunter/gather consumer; ie periodic influxes of food, not consistent influxes; so I started periodically fasting & found it was easy to go a couple of days with out food once I got used to the "hunger discomfort" and now that I've set this pattern I don't even get very hungry at all & am satisfied VERY quickly when eating.



who ever said breakfast is the most important meal of they day was crazy.. I haven't eaten breakfast for years, and now I'm skipping lunch or dinner too (I avoid sugar as much as possible, and grain... well grains are really hard to avoid, I'm not the best at that).

[ThePythonicCow]

Metformin is being looked at
Here's another article on metformin (which I found in the footnotes of Travis Christofferson's "Tripping over the truth" book): Metformin and Cancer (http://www.healthyfellow.com/308/metformin-and-cancer/).

[ThePythonicCow]

3. There has been research indicating that a crash diet for a brief time can reverse type 2 diabetes, because fatty deposits around the liver and pancreas are implicated

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/8594293/Crash-course-diet-reverses-Type-2-diabetes-in-a-week.html

That article says they are reversing type 2 diabetes by restricting calories to 600 ... which is a very low level and would be difficult for most patients to sustain over a long time.

I wonder if they could get similar results by restricting calories from carbohydrates to 600, but allowing unlimited, high quality, saturated fat calories. That would be much easier to sustain over a long time.

[Baby Steps]

3. There has been research indicating that a crash diet for a brief time can reverse type 2 diabetes, because fatty deposits around the liver and pancreas are implicated

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/8594293/Crash-course-diet-reverses-Type-2-diabetes-in-a-week.html

That article says they are reversing type 2 diabetes by restricting calories to 600 ... which is a very low level and would be difficult for most patients to sustain over a long time.

I wonder if they could get similar results by restricting calories from carbohydrates to 600, but allowing unlimited, high quality, saturated fat calories. That would be much easier to sustain over a long time.

Hi, I have to fall back on personal experience there, I started getting high morning sugar readings 5 years ago. I have been killing the carb cravings off with fat, & it has done the trick. Touch wood.

[RunningDeer]

I wanted to add a thanks for the thread, Paul, and for the book recommendations (post added below) from Carmody’s thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88891-Sweet-discovery-in-leafy-greens-holds-key-to-gut-health&p=1046600&viewfull=1#post1046600). The first book is the discussion in the OP video and linked already. I'm switching between the two.

I agree about living a quality life which includes: clear mental faculties, prescription free, less to no aches and pains, and flexibility of mind and body.

It’s easy to slip into fears of what the tricksters brew up for our wellbeing by way of the environment and all. Bruce Lipton’s books (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_12?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=bruce+lipton&sprefix=Bruce+Lipton%2Caps%2C323) are a quick, easy read to get one back on track in terms of realigning one's beliefs. For new members, check out this thread that included snippets and quick links with the video for those short on time: "We deprogram our ability to heal ourselves (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72141---We-deprogram-our-ability-to-heal-ourselves----says-Dr.-Bruce-Lipton&p=843203&viewfull=1#post843203),” says Dr. Bruce Lipton.




Most importantly, gut health is mental health is bodily health. The three are very intertwined.
... and mitochondrial health, the other essential bacteria in the body, in addition to our gut bacteria.

Mitochrondria are our cells main energy source. They are apparently bacteria with their own, distinct, genetic history, that became adapted to living inside our cells, in a symbiotic relation. They provide cells with energy (ATP) much more efficiently than basic fermentation, in exchange for having "room and board" (nutrients, safe accommodations and other cellular services.)

Life - The Epic Story of Our Mitochondria: How the Original Probiotic Dictates Your Health, Illness, Ageing, and Even Life Itself, by Lee Know Nd (http://smile.amazon.com/dp/1460251806)
Tripping Over the Truth: The Return of the Metabolic Theory of Cancer Illuminates a New and Hopeful Path to a Cure, by Travis Christofferson (http://smile.amazon.com/dp/1500600318)

[thunder24]

what is everyone trying to extend life for?

quality of life & life extension are two very different things ;) .

agreed

paul i appologize for being terse...

[RunningDeer]

agreed
paul i appologize for being terse...


dealing with someone who is dying of lung, liver and brain cancer at the moment i can tell you...goodluck, and quit breathing the air its toxic, that might help extend it...

Going through this now, and no doubt it's brought up the journey with your Dad before and after his passing (IIRC). It's understandable that you have these questions and feelings.

Thunder, don't forget to take care of yourself, too. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/smileys-hugs-765537_zpso1eaenyy.gif

:offtopic:

[Ewan]

what is everyone trying to extend life for?

quality of life & life extension are two very different things ;) .

agreed

paul i appologize for being terse...

FWIW I never read your post as terse, merely a funny quip. (Maybe it is my sense of humour that is askew. :) )

[ErtheVessel]

Thank you for this information, Paul.

I just wanted to add that I believe a lot of the craving for carbs and sugar comes from intestinal parasites. I think that as a modern culture we are massively infested with parasites and within the mainstream this is taboo to talk about. Supposedly we are too "clean" to have them in our modern culture.

As far as I can tell, most cultures until quite recently (maybe the last 50 years) integrated some kind of annual parasite purge with their diet. All animals have parasites - it is part of the circle of life. They must be purged.

In my own experience, the lower my parasite load, the more I seem to naturally crave what is being called the ketogenic diet. I used to eat sugar, chocolate and carbs constantly, but now have very little craving for any of that.

I know the topic of parasites is discussed in other threads, so I don't want to derail your important discussion on this diet, but I wanted to offer a perspective on why so many people intensely crave sweets and carbs. Maybe the parasites are demanding to be fed.

:focus:

[DeDukshyn]

...
I just wanted to add that I believe a lot of the craving for carbs and sugar comes from intestinal parasites.

In the case of Candida infection (a multi cell fungus), this is certainly the case. The fungus has a way of getting you to feed it. Weird, but not as weird as the "zombie ant fungus", thank goodness :)


(in case one is curious ...)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/03/pictures/110303-zombie-ants-fungus-new-species-fungi-bugs-science-brazil/

[DeDukshyn]

 

There are two nutrients that can mimic the effects of caloric restriction. Those effects are the activation of certain genes and the deactivation of others (350+ gene changes actually), something the body does when overall calorie intake is reduced (fairly substantially - by 40%+) in order to facilitate the reduced caloric intake, and still function properly. The result of this change in gene activation leads to:

1) longer life - this is the only proven way to extend the life of an organism by any measureable amount
2) Less illness -- age related disease are reduced, or their onset greatly delayed - better health into older age.

Those two substances are resveratrol and thermally stabilized oxaloacetate . There may be others, but these two are known as caloric restriction mimics - as they have the ability to change over 350 different gene expressions that also happen when calories are reduced by 40%+.

Also, one must consider that a body creating energy as ATP also create free radicals that cause damage and the "aging" effect. You age slower, the less you eat / the less sugar you ingest and convert into ATP.

Both those substances can be bought from the supplement store, however resveratrol is quite unstable, and the efficacy in a supplement form is questionable. Where I work, we take extreme measures to guard against this rapid degradation (while manufacturing), using red colour lighting in all the processing rooms to cut out the light frequencies most responsible for the degradation, and then putting them in darkened capsules to add extra protection vs UV. Even then, I wouldn't buy it unless just made. Most of the resveratrol on the market is likely not even close to the potency claimed, due to this instability.

Unfortunately, one would need to drink several bottles of red wine a day to get a 'useful" amount of resveratrol from that :)

Oxaloacetate however, can be stabilized, but it's discovery as a CR mimic, is fairly recent, so research and studies are still ongoing, but so far it is looking pretty good. A thermally stabilized version is called BenaGene, and yes the company I work for sells it (although we didn't do the research, we just looked at the research, and safety, and decided that it was a novel enough product with some decent studies behind it (animal studies looked pretty good, human studies are still ongoing -- obviously these are long term). I can't get it for anyone so don't bother asking me :) I can however, provide info and a few research links if requested. There are other "me too!" brands, but I can't say whether any of them are thermally stabilized. Fun fact, I actually met the man who did all the animal studies - a bit of an odd fella, but a nice guy who's very passionate about his research.

Anyway, my point was just to bring up some interesting facts about caloric restriction, gene activation, and even how our nutrients can activate gene expressions in regards to overall health and longevity -- we really must take care with our bodies, the synergy between diet and gene expression, can be very powerful, either in appositive way or a negative way, as certain gene expression actually induce an increase aging and disease.

[Selene]

Okay, friends. I have been both fasting regularly (for overall health) and doing a ketogenic diet once a year-ish (to lose that famous fatal last five pounds) for the past 40 years. My normal daily diet for the past 30 years is what would be called Mediterranean these days: lots of fresh fruits, veggies, grilled fish, legumes, nuts, and very little wheat, dairy, refined sugars, meats or packaged brand-name snacks or fast foods. (Prior to that I was a vegan for ten years, long before the word had even been invented.)

At age 60+ (plus!) I have the medical stats of a healthy 20-something. No cholesterol issues, ‘perfect’ blood pressure, no insulin resistance, no arthritis, no meds of any kind…. No aging issues beyond the graying hair of someone twenty years younger. Whenever I go in for a routine checkup, if the medical tech or doctor doesn’t know me, they invariably do a double-take and confusedly check my chart with “Ummm… what year were you born..?” When I go through passport control, agents always look twice and I have to reassure them - yes, that’s actually me. (One French passport officer once handed me back my passport, bowed gallantly and said: “Madame, my congratulations…”)

So I am comfortable speaking from experience here.

Yes, both fasting and the ketogenic diet are absolutely wonderful and safe if properly observed. Yes, they are highly protective of your health. And ketogenic - relatively high protein and fats - diets can be observed for long periods if you can keep your carb intake down. Personally, I can’t – I love my fresh fruits and veggies too much, but that’s another mode, so I prefer another menu. It works for me.

There’s no “one size fits all” when it comes to nutrition. You must be guided by what feels best for your body. You must listen to your body’s health – not your mind or appetite or someone else’s opinion - and adjust accordingly.

Everyone’s body is unique. A unique combination of genetics, environmental influences, stress, food availability and intangibles. Your body decides; no guru or method can dictate.

Now, a few pointers:

I don’t know if this is you, Paul, or you are quoting someone here:


My personal immediate plans to adapt my diet:

Personally, I intend to do a one time fast of perhaps 5 to 7 days (I've never done a fast for more than a day before), and then switch to a ketogenic diet…. The conversion process takes 3 or 4 weeks, but apparently once one gets through the first few days of the week-long fast, the rest is easier.


Woah. Woah my dear friend. You’re going wa-a-a-a-y too intensely for comfort or lasting results here.

At your age (that’s anything over, say, 21 or so) digging into a major 5-7 day fast at the outset with no prior basic detoxing is simply a guaranteed way to fail painfully and give up any further progress in disgust and self-defeat.

Start simply with a series of one-day-a-week fasts before embarking on anything longer and more ambitious.

Your body has now stored decades of accumulated crap, heavy metals, sequestered toxins and garbage that will be dumped into your bloodstream all at once and make you sick, sick, sick. This is simply unnecessary. You will absolutely hate every minute of a longer fast, and more. All the caffeine, sugar, cigarettes, alcohol, junk food and crap you’ve ever ingested will rebound. You will be physically hammered – and you don’t need that. No one is strong enough – I mean that. No one is. You don’t need that right now.

Be gentle with yourself. Your body is your best friend. Why hammer it now?

Much better and wiser to begin this welcome change with a one-day-a week cleansing fast, continued weekly, say, every Thursday for as many weeks or months that it takes to discharge these old poisons, until you can juice or water fast for a day – or two - without any ill effects. No headaches, no nausea or vomiting, no painful joints, no emotional blowups or brain fog, no diarrhea, constipation or tremors. Just nice, bright clarity and more and better energy, better skin, brighter eyes and a clearer mind. Wait for the clarity.

Once you’re good to go – then, of course, go for it. Do the 5-7 day fast next; you’ll be a pro. Evolve into your new diet, absolutely. You won’t be hampered by old issues; you’ll be in better control and awareness of your body and mind.

After all, you’ve spent – what? – 40+ years getting into this situation. Why do you expect to undo it in a week? That stuff is now stored in your bones – it will take time to chelate out.

No one should have to endure the physical horror of sustained detoxing in one go. A 5-7 day fast is for nuns, monks and devotees who are accustomed to doing the same four times a year at the turning of the seasons and for whom a week is no problem. It’s actually a very intense regimen, one that even I don’t do often.

I know: people selling the books and miracle cures want you to see “instant” and dramatic results – if you can do that – but please, don’t set yourself up for failure. Ease into this.

One day a week on a simple single-juice fast is a good way to start. Doesn’t matter what kind of juice – orange, watermelon, spinach, celery - just one ingredient plus water as needed. Drink all you want.

A few more hints:

• Don’t tell anyone what you’re doing when you fast. Just show up for work as usual, dress well, and carry a thermos of your juice like nothing. Be too busy for lunch out that day, maybe, if you’d rather. But don’t draw attention. Fast in silence. Go shopping.

• Expect to feel utterly crappy the first time, or two or three or more sessions. Just cope. It will get easier each time.

• And if by evening you can’t cope, have some vegetable soup or a salad on standby as a recourse. Don’t hit the burger bar.

• Congratulate yourself for whatever you’ve accomplished that day. Next Thursday, start again; it all counts for good.

• Be secure in the knowledge that once these accumulated toxins have left your body, they have gone for good. Period. It will never again be so difficult to detox. Whatever progress you make here is real progress. Start somewhere.

And then, yes, go for it! Your new life awaits.

:thumbsup:

All my very best wishes,

Selene

[ThePythonicCow]

I don’t know if this is you, Paul, or you are quoting someone here:


My personal immediate plans to adapt my diet:

Personally, I intend to do a one time fast of perhaps 5 to 7 days (I've never done a fast for more than a day before), and then switch to a ketogenic diet…. The conversion process takes 3 or 4 weeks, but apparently once one gets through the first few days of the week-long fast, the rest is easier.


Woah. Woah my dear friend. You’re going wa-a-a-a-y too intensely for comfort or lasting results here.

At your age (that’s anything over, say, 21 or so) digging into a major 5-7 day fast at the outset with no prior basic detoxing is simply a guaranteed way to fail painfully and give up any further progress in disgust and self-defeat.

Start simply with a series of one-day-a-week fasts before embarking on anything longer and more ambitious.

That was me, describing my personal immediate plans.

I understand that one's body and organ fats store toxins. It's sort of the body's way of "sweeping unwanted stuff under the rug", if it can't otherwise neutralize or excrete it.

If one goes on a fast, then fat is burnt, and any toxins that were trapped in that fat are released into the body. If more toxins are released this way than the liver, kidneys and other detox mechanisms can handle, then one gets sick. A variant of this is called the Herxheimer (Detox) Reaction.

Whether or not this will soon be a critical problem for me ... guess I'll figure that out ... I have reasons to suspect that I'll manage, one way or another.

Each person's situation is different.

[Napping]

"As best as I can tell, that wee bit of research, repeated by multiple researchers in multiple ways around the world, is not "seriously shaky" ... not even a wee bit shaky" <grin>.[/QUOTE]

The authors of this research are drawing long bows Paul, as you are.

Your going to detest this article, but it adds balance - and when you wade through more of the research, makes a hell of a lot more sense.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ketogenic-diets-for-cancer-hype-versus-science/

Ah sucks to be the naysayer when its so much more satisfying to blame the evils of big pharma hiding the cure to cancer.

(I feel I'm arguing to a crowd that will refuse to see beyond the coverup, conspiracy etc etc on these health threads....I'm as open to conspiracy as anyone, but when you actually have a fair idea about a topic and are willing to invest reasonable energy in both ends of the argument without bias - this and some of the other health threads get very difficult to read.)

I'll stick to the esoteric stuff I have minimal knowledge about and enjoy contemplating...this stuff does my head in as a health professional....plus, I'm not great with conflict....lover not a fighter!

[Olam]

I can chime in that I'm about 90% certain I cured myself of (male) breast cancer by this method.

I say 90% because I never confirmed getting or ridding myself of it ... why bother with western medicine as far as "maintenance"?

Couple years back I had pain and lumps in both breasts lasting several months.

I started with a 2 week fast (lemonade diet) and followed the advice in the book "The Cantin Ketogenic Diet" by Elaine Cantin.

After about 4 months I was fine. Have not noticed any reoccurrence since.

Nice to read you just now.
I did that myself , started with a 20 day lemonade fast and then jumped into keto mode.
Its been 3 weeks now and I can't say I am fully adapted yet but I feel great!.
I just can't wait to have my body go fulltime keto though as I have put back 4 pounds since the fast!
:-)

[TargeT]

Whether or not this will soon be a critical problem for me ... guess I'll figure that out ... I have reasons to suspect that I'll manage, one way or another.

Each person's situation is different.

I've done some pretty extreme body hacking experiments on my self (lived in Alaska for 13 years... you get pretty bored in the winters).

I once did a month of 200-500 cal per day with H.C.G. (I.M.)... it's pretty crazy what your body can do; I even did some Jujitsu training during this period (though that turned out to be a bad idea.. haha I got exhausted super fast).

I took an ATP enhancer for a couple of weeks & turned into a human heater (but my body core temp was staying uncomfortably high so I quit due to comfort/concern).


I've done some extended fasts too, just water and tea for 7 days, I've tried all sorts of fun ways to kick my body into shape... but in the end I never changed my base habits, I'm trying to alter my base habits now & see how that does.


You never know until you try ;)

[ThePythonicCow]

I'll stick to the esoteric stuff I have minimal knowledge about and enjoy contemplating...this stuff does my head in as a health professional....plus, I'm not great with conflict....lover not a fighter!
May your healing work succeed well, and perhaps you could throw a little bit of love to

us big-pharma conspiracy theory lunatics,
us Über-quack Dr. Mercola fans, and
us sympathisizers of such rank quackeries, as homeopathy, acupuncture, reflexology, craniosacral therapy, Hulda Clark’s “zapper,” the Gerson therapy and Gonzalez protocol for cancer, and reiki.

Clearly we are in need of some love :).

(above phrases and terms mostly quoted from your post and the post you linked to.)

[ThePythonicCow]

I've done some extended fasts too, just water and tea for 7 days, I've tried all sorts of fun ways to kick my body into shape... but in the end I never changed my base habits, I'm trying to alter my base habits now & see how that does.
As the ravages of age have snuck up on me, I've found it much easier, the motivations much more compelling, to make dramatic changes in my diet.

I had no time for such nonsense, far less than you apparently have now, when I was your age :).

[ThePythonicCow]

(above phrases and terms mostly quoted from your post and the post you linked to.)
For those who might be confused, my reply to Napping was sarcastic.

My honest position is that I have little patience with those whose basic arguments consist of

a few, minimally substantiated claims on the topic at hand,
rank ridicule of the rooters for the "alternative" viewpoints, and
sympathy seeking for their own "poor, humble, caring" selves.

... very little patience :).

[Jules]

what is everyone trying to extend life for?

It is difficult to imagine wanting to live on and on in the world as it is at this time, so corrupt, poisoned, and not enough love. However if I was in a beautiful world with healthy challenges, love, and less of the evil I wouldn't mind enjoying that world a little longer. The truth is that whether I live for one more day or a thousand years, the only thing that I have that matters is now. To look around and be thankful for the good and do best I can do at this time until further notice is really all I can do. I hope things get better for you, as well as for humanity as a whole. Peace be with you.

[ThePythonicCow]

On a side note ... one might wonder if we went heavily ketogenic in our diet and metabolism, then why could we not live forever?

There's at least one other, separate, process that limits our body's lifetime. As explained in Can Science Make Us Immortal? (http://www.viewzone.com/aging.html) and Are Telomeres The Key To Aging And Cancer? (http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/chromosomes/telomeres/), the telomeres which protect the ends of our DNA get shorter each time a cell divides. Eventually, the telomeres get too short, and too much DNA is lost.
Here is a series of three articles, posted apparently back in 2010 (from the date on the one reply comment), that gives substantial more detail into the aging process, involving the main actor of this thread, mitochondria, not DNA chromosomes telomeres.

The articles use, with comfortable familiarity, many technical medical terms, so they are slow reading for most of us, myself included.

Here is the conclusion, at the end of the third article:

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Autophagy, the body’s mechanism for the removal and recycling of cellular waste, is key to rejuvenation, especially in the mitochondria, and is allowed to proceed only in the postabsorptive state, in which insulin signaling ebbs to its lowest (basal) level. With age, ROS-induced aberrant triggering of the insulin signaling mechanism in the postabsorptive state inhibits autophagy, preventing maintenance of plasma cysteine and intracellular glutathione levels throughout the night and early morning hours, and initiating a vicious cycle of progressively increasing oxidative stress and mitochondrial dysfunction. Since accumulation of cellular waste, decreased cellular glutathione concentrations and increased oxidative stress are common hallmarks of aging in a broad range of species, while lowered insulin signaling that promotes autophagy, whether resulting from genetic mutation or caloric restriction (with adequate nutrition), has been shown to extend lifespan in virtually all species tested to date, it seems likely that human life- and health-span may be extended by a protocol designed to re-establish youthful levels of mitophagy and postabsorptive cysteine concentrations, such as the one proposed by Dröge and outlined in this article.
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Here's my "broken English" translation of that conclusion, into something I can understand better:

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A key to a long and healthy life is cleaning up (autophagy) of cellular waste, especially in the mitochondria.

This cleaning mostly occurs when the body has not eaten for a few hours (postabsorptive state), when insulin levels are low. However high insulin levels aren't the only thing that inhibit this cleaning. The presence of too much oxidized and damaged (ROS stands for Reactive Oxygen Species) tissue also inhibits this cleaning.

This can create a viscious cycle ... with too much damaged tissue, the damaged tissue inhibits the body's self-cleaning of that damaged tissue. (Sounds like my desktop ... too much clutter gets in the way of cleaning up the clutter.)

Both insulin and damaged tissue suppress the levels of cysteine in the blood (plasma) and glutathione within the cells (intracellular), which can prevent cleaning up waste that would normally occur at night and in the early morning hours, or otherwise after not eating for a few hours or more.

In virtually all species tested, lowering insulin levels, between meals, extends lifespan, while increasing oxidative stress and lowering intracellular glutathione levels shortens lifespan.

Therefore it seems likely that human health and lifespan may be extended by improving the cleaning up of oxidized tissue, such as by raising cysteine levels in the blood while resting, hours after haven eaten, when insulin levels are also (should also be) low.

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The third of these articles (Part III, below) further reports that relatively small doses of N-acetyl cysteine (200 mg NAC, three times a day, for a total of 600 mg/day, for 8 weeks) reduced the insulin receptor activity (that suppresses cleaning up).

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As a result of reading these three articles, which seem to fit well with the other results reported in this thread, I have just ordered CoQ10 + Alpha Lipoic Acid + Acetyl L-Carnitine HCl (Vitacost) (http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-coq10-alpha-lipoic-acid-acetyl-l-carnitine-hcl-120-capsules-3), which I intend to take three times a day, on rising with my morning glass of mineral water, mid-day, and before going to bed. Each dose contains:

Acetyl L-Carnitine HCl -- 250 mg
Alpha-Lipoic Acid -- 250 mg
Coenzyme Q10 -- 200 mg


I'm also going to take Acetyl-Glutathione (Vitacost) (http://www.vitacost.com/nutricology-acetyl-glutathione-100-mg-60-tablets) for a month. It is the first convenient oral form of glutathione that I have found. When I had a health problem a few years ago, I took a few rounds of glutathione added to coffee enemas (inconvenient), and in homemade liposomes (of uncertain effectiveness). Most oral forms of glutathione are both (1) expensive and (2) useless, as the stomach acid destroys them. It's really the glutathione levels inside the cells that matter, not the levels in the blood or outside the cells (in the inter-cellular fluids), and there is risk that supplementing glutathione will suppress the body's own production of it, leaving one with excess glutathione where you don't need it, and even less glutathione where you do need it. But a short term regimen of glutathione can be (as best as I can tell) a useful boost at times.

On Dec 9, 2015, I quipped to some of the other moderators that I was "eating chocolate and sugar, on my new high carb diet". That diet was a failure. If I had wanted to explore the progression to pre-diabetic, then to diabetes 2, failing health and an earlier demise, then I suspect it would have done the job ... but I'd rather not travel down that path. Those mint chocolate honey patties from Heavenly Organics sure were yummy though <grin>.

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Here are links to the three articles in this series (put your thinking cap on before tackling them):

Beyond the Mitochondrial Tune Up: Part I: Delaying the Mitochondrial Decay of Aging (http://www.lmreview.com/articles/view/beyond-the-mitochondrial-tune-up-part-I/)
Beyond the Mitochondrial Tune Up: Part II: The Methylation – Transsulfuration Connection to Mitochondria (http://www.lmreview.com/articles/view/beyond-the-mitochondrial-tune-up-part-II/)
Beyond the Mitochondrial Tune Up: Part III: Restoring Mitophagy – the Key To Mitochondrial Rejuvenation (http://www.lmreview.com/articles/view/beyond-the-mitochondrial-tune-up-part-III/[/url)

[Napping]

Fighting for the same cause Paul, just through different lenses. The difference is, I always consider your lens, whereas you threw mine out with the bath water years ago. Your heart's in the right place, but steering people from best practice was my only concern. Ultimately most people faced with potential life ending cancer wil do a little more than reducing their carb intake I would hope, even you. Carry on.....

[ThePythonicCow]

Fighting for the same cause Paul, just through different lenses. The difference is, I always consider your lens, whereas you threw mine out with the bath water years ago. Your heart's in the right place, but steering people from best practice was my only concern. Ultimately most people faced with potential life ending cancer wil do a little more than reducing their carb intake I would hope, even you. Carry on.....
We disagree as to what constitutes best health care practice. We also disagree as to what constitutes best rhetorical practice in discussions by well intentioned people on a forum such as this. I could explain further what I mean by that second disagreement, but that would get us further off the topic of this thread, and I doubt it would be of any use for me to do so.

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Back to the topic of cancer, one of the illnesses that we're less likely to get on a ketogenic diet, I enjoy listening to Dr John Bergman (owners-guide.com) talk on this and other health topics. He's got lots of clinical experience, a delightful sense of humor, and keen insights into how both our bodies, and our medical profession and their (no longer our) government, work.

Here are some of Bergman's talks on such topics. I added the length in minutes and seconds to my title for each one. Feel free to start with the shortest one to see if he tickles your interest. Be prepared to end up listening to several of his videos.



Cancer Revolution, Health Renaissance (49m02s):
NqUUlhdd1Vk

How to Heal from Cancer & Prevention (40m23s):
IjhbxT0T9Sk

Woman's Cancer Revolution, Health Renaissance (48m44s):
YYj4OoPpBi4


The first two videos above were previously posted on Avalon by OBwan here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?76409-Help-for-prostate-cancer-needed&p=922185&highlight=NqUUlhdd1Vk#post922185).

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This thread is fundamentally about ketogenic diets and the metabolic (not genetic) reasons that they work. The reason that ketogenic diets work, and the causes for the dominant chronic illnesses of our time, are both found more in our mitochondria (metabolism) than in our DNA (genetics).

A key application of this research and clinical work is in understanding, avoiding and treating the major chronic diseases of our time, such as cancer, heart disease, coronary disease, Alzheimer's, diabetes, autism, and so forth.

Dr John Bergman, the one in the above videos, is more of a clinician than a researcher. He is focused on getting his patients well, not on the theoretical underpinnings or on experiments on rats in a laboratory. So far as I have seen, he does not go into depth to explain the basis for his methods in the metabolism of mitochondria or other such scientific research.

The research and clinical work both lead me in the same direction here ... and as might be expected, different people are choosing to take leading roles in each such approach. The researcher endeavors to explain how and why it works as it does, and to suggest new approaches. The clinician endeavors to heal his patients, choosing whatever approaches he can obtain, based on what works best.

Personally, I approach this discussion more as a researcher, and my personal health more as a clinician ... a clinician with a clientele of one.

[DeDukshyn]

A note on fasting / detox ...

When fasting, drink 10-20 cups of clean fresh water per day. Food is usually about 90% water, once you break it all down into molecular components. Even a dry piece of bread is about 70% water. Thus one does not realize how much water one gets from their normal food diet. When fasting, you are cut off from this water source, and you really have to drink a lot more water, especially if during the process your body switches to aerobic energy, which assists in the fat burning process, that fat burning will release toxins that will require a very well hydrated system to remove effectively.

A high end multi, and maybe a little milk thistle, calcium d-glucarate, or SGS (sulphoraphane) supplementation to maximize detox effects will be very helpful, and reduce the stress on your liver. Also remember that detox really only happens at the cellular level, hence the supplements I recommended.

[Napping]

There's a big difference between stating your less likely to get cancer on a ketogenic diet and pushing such a diet as the Primary treatment of such, which is essentially what you and these clinicians and researchers are referring.

I don't agree with you Paul, im OK with it, you're struggling with it.

[ThePythonicCow]

A note on fasting / detox ...

When fasting, drink 10-20 cups of clean fresh water per day.
Yes, good point.

When fasting, one not only needs to replace the water that had been hidden in one's food, but one should also consume even more water than that.

Just as you describe, fasting causes changes in one's body chemistry, such as releasing toxins and salts that had been buried in one's fat stores. This additional toxin and salt burden in one's blood and other fluids will require extra water to dilute and excrete.

So - yes - plenty of water (so I am told; I don't speak from experience yet.)

"Fresh clean" water is one of my specialties. Someday I should write a thread on the many, many steps that I take to turn my incoming, electrically dead, chlorinated, fluoridated, toxified, municipal water into pure, re-mineralized and energized delicious water.

I worry that relating it all would seem too much like bragging. But if I think of it more as offering up several suggestions, that others might find gets them to thinking about ways that they could improve their own water, then such a thread might make more sense.

[Hym]

Then let me put in a request, Paul, for that thread on making water fresh and clean. I would appreciate it, as would many others.

[ThePythonicCow]

A high end multi, and maybe a little milk thistle, calcium d-glucarate, or SGS (sulphoraphane) supplementation to maximize detox effects will be very helpful, and reduce the stress on your liver. Also remember that detox really only happens at the cellular level, hence the supplements I recommended.
Very interesting ... glucarate or SGS are new to me.

The product AOR, Cellular Detox (http://www.cureself.com/AOR-Cellular-Detox.aspx") includes these, as well as the probiotic Bifidobacterium longum, for detox, which it explains by saying:



Bifidobacterium longum (BB-536)

This highly beneficial probiotic strain has been shown to help promote carcinogen detoxification and to help prevent certain types of cancers. Evidence has shown that this bacteria acts to enhance the immune system, suppress the growth of harmful bacteria that secrete toxic substances, bind and eliminate toxic substances and potential carcinogens and secrete anti-tumor compounds. Many probiotics have been shown to reduce beta- glucuronidase activity in the colon, thereby preventing the reactivation of dangerous compounds.
These, along with the good multi-vitamin (my current favorite - Life Extension Mix Powder (http://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item02056/life-extension-mix-powder)) and the milk thistle that you mention, and frequent coffee enemas (with a couple grams of glutathione powder added), should be worth considering.

Thanks!

[DeDukshyn]

A high end multi, and maybe a little milk thistle, calcium d-glucarate, or SGS (sulphoraphane) supplementation to maximize detox effects will be very helpful, and reduce the stress on your liver. Also remember that detox really only happens at the cellular level, hence the supplements I recommended.
Very interesting ... glucarate or SGS are new to me.

The product AOR, Cellular Detox (http://www.cureself.com/AOR-Cellular-Detox.aspx") includes these, as well as the probiotic Bifidobacterium longum, for detox, which it explains by saying:



Bifidobacterium longum (BB-536)

This highly beneficial probiotic strain has been shown to help promote carcinogen detoxification and to help prevent certain types of cancers. Evidence has shown that this bacteria acts to enhance the immune system, suppress the growth of harmful bacteria that secrete toxic substances, bind and eliminate toxic substances and potential carcinogens and secrete anti-tumor compounds. Many probiotics have been shown to reduce beta- glucuronidase activity in the colon, thereby preventing the reactivation of dangerous compounds.
These, along with the good multi-vitamin (my current favorite - Life Extension Mix Powder (http://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item02056/life-extension-mix-powder)) and the milk thistle that you mention, and frequent coffee enemas (with a couple grams of glutathione powder added), should be worth considering.

Thanks!

I actually just started not long ago on a bottle of Cellular Detox, along with AOR's Liver Support. I have some minor liver issues, (the doctor seemed to think my liver was slightly enlarged, but indicated nothing of concern on an enzyme test) - anyway, anecdotally on how I overall feel, I think these two products are doing their job. I seem to have better energy and somewhat improved mood since starting on these. Hard to tell though for many supplements, so I also try to really dig into the research as well, just to give me some confidence that if I am going to take a supplement, there's evidence it does what it is supposed to.

[ThePythonicCow]

I actually just started not long ago on a bottle of Cellular Detox, along with AOR's Liver Support. I have some minor liver issues, (the doctor seemed to think my liver was slightly enlarged, but indicated nothing of concern on an enzyme test) - anyway, anecdotally on how I overall feel, I think these two products are doing their job. I seem to have better energy and somewhat improved mood since starting on these.
Of course, as you know I'm sure, there's always the Andreas Moritz Liver Flush (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox-Liver-flush&p=56839&viewfull=1#post56839) :). Like quite a few members here, back when it was being actively discussed, I flushed my share of weird looking fatty globules out of my liver that way.

[DeDukshyn]

I actually just started not long ago on a bottle of Cellular Detox, along with AOR's Liver Support. I have some minor liver issues, (the doctor seemed to think my liver was slightly enlarged, but indicated nothing of concern on an enzyme test) - anyway, anecdotally on how I overall feel, I think these two products are doing their job. I seem to have better energy and somewhat improved mood since starting on these.
Of course, as you know I'm sure, there's always the Andreas Moritz Liver Flush (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?6528-Liver-detox-Liver-flush&p=56839&viewfull=1#post56839) :). Like quite a few members here, back when it was being actively discussed, I flushed my share of weird looking fatty globules out of my liver that way.

Liver flush has been on the back of my mind for some time ... it keeps getting brought to the forefront ... I should take heed the message, I assume. :) Thanks for the reminder and link.

[TargeT]

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"Fresh clean" water is one of my specialties. Someday I should write a thread on the many, many steps that I take to turn my incoming, electrically dead, chlorinated, fluoridated, toxified, municipal water into pure, re-mineralized and energized delicious water.

I worry that relating it all would seem too much like bragging. But if I think of it more as offering up several suggestions, that others might find gets them to thinking about ways that they could improve their own water, then such a thread might make more sense.

I'll break the ice:

I only drink rain water (which varies from ~7/7.2 ph @ 2-4 PPM during the winter & 15-30 PPM during the summer (when the Sahara dusts migrate across the Atlantic)) I'm not sure on it's electrical properties, I do run it through a paper (wood pulp) filter for larger particles since it's stored in large tanks that are fed from my roof & can pick up sediment.

Going from that to bottled water is hard, it's almost as good as the well water I had in Alaska (that stuff was a solid 8/8.5 PH & a nice 120-130 PPM with great mineral content). I want to add a floating colloidal silver generator in both my cisterns (15,000 gal each) but I've got so many projects going right now... I need to finish whats on my plate first.

so, what's your healthy water approach?

[ThePythonicCow]

Here's more on mitochondrial damage, this time as caused by glyphosate (as in Roundup), rather than a carb dominated diet, rather than a fat dominated ketogenic diet.

The list of ailments, most of our "modern" chronic diseases, caused by RoundUp are much the same as, and closely related to, the list of ailments caused by consuming more than a minimal amount of carbs and sugars, including autism, Alzheimers, chronic fatigue syndrome, cancers, fibromyalgia, Parkinson's, diabetes, metabolic syndromes, hypertension, high triglycerides, inflammation, heart diseases, autoimmune diseases, allergies, Lupus, asthma, depression, ...

Mitochondria not only produce the cell's energy fuel, ATP, but are also closely involved with both producing and utilizing insulin, and other critical functions.



Mitrochondrial Dysfuntion and GMOs
Jeffrey Smith interviews Dr. Alex Vasquez and Stephanie Seneff about the effects of glyphosate on human health.
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The interview concludes with suggestions as to what people can do to heal their mitochondria:

A low carbohydrate diet, with a lot of fruits and veggies, such as paleo or paleo-Mediterranean diet.
Moderate exercise.
Nutrient intake adequate, such as with vitamin and mineral supplements, CoQ10, NAC, chlorella, ...
Sunlight exposure.
Organic good, GMO's bad.


Dr. Alex Vasquez's website is http://inflammationmastery.com/.

Dr. Stephanie Seneff's MIT page is http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/

[RunningDeer]

Jeffrey Smith interviews Dr. Alex Vasquez and Stephanie Seneff about the effects of glyphosate on human health.

Mitrochondrial Dysfuntion and GMOs
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Great video. Thanks, Paul. Some additional notes and a sidetrack to another video by Dr. Stephanie Seneff from the link you provided:

- For insulin to be received, it needs proper functioning mitochondria. Insulin opens the doors to the cells so that the sugar can come in. Without that the doors are closed and the sugar causes problems. The blood sugar gets too high and we call that diabetes or insulin resistance which is a metabolic syndrome.

- The mitochondria makes sure the doors are unlocked. It insures that insulin is secreted and received appropriately.

- Those with type 2 diabetes, metabolic syndrome and hypertension have mitochondrial disfunction.

- What the mitochondria does is ATP is the battery, it’s how you get the energy into the cells. It’s also related to sugar metabolism through insulin door opening and door closing. The mitochondria also controls the inflammatory balance within the body. And cells death.

- What is inflammation? Metabolic disruption and tissue injury. It can exist in three forms: metabolic inflammation (hypertension, diabetes), allergic inflammation, autoimmune inflammation. The chronic (persistent, long-lasting) low-grade, low level inflammation is defined as metabolic disturbance with cellular injury.

- Metabolic inflammation is seen on a continuum. So the three different types of inflammation are overlapping. Other examples from mitochondrial disfunction are Paul’s list: autism, Alzheimers, chronic fatigue syndrome, cancers, fibromyalgia, Parkinson's, diabetes, metabolic syndromes, hypertension, high triglycerides, inflammation, heart diseases, autoimmune diseases, allergies, Lupus, asthma, depression.

Next is the mechanics of the mitochondria and how it related to the continuum of disease.

- What does Roundup, i.e. it’s active ingredient glyphosate do to mitochondrial function?

- Studies showed that roundup/glyphosate fed cows had high levels in the urine and low levels of manganese (see below for ‘manganese benefits’) in the blood. Glyphosate chelates manganese and all other minerals.

- Chelation is good in terms of how it gets rid of heavy metals. Chelation is molecules hugging each other at the molecular level and these chelators don’t let go. But in the case of glyphosate, it’s a molecule the hugs all these trace minerals and it doesn’t let go. Hence, it’s worthless because it’s not getting into the blood. Roundup depletes manganese in the crops.

- The ADP & ATP is the energy we use. We take in food and it becomes energy. It takes a very specific metabolic pathway. If it’s broken down there’s a problem with the production of the energy from glucose and insulin at the same time.

- Glyphosate also effects the membrane surrounding the mitochondria and that also interferes with ATP production.

- There’s a lot of public debate about Roundup and glyphosate because they haven’t checked the data. When the data is so consistent the question is “Why is there a question about this?”. There’s no controversy in the research. It’s very clear, very consistent.

@ 30:00 (https://youtu.be/MFX6vgVugew?t=30m6s) - List of disease and disorders possibly related to mitochondrial dysfunction caused by Roundup and glyphosate:

(from Paul’s post) The list of ailments, most of our "modern" chronic diseases, caused by RoundUp are much the same as, and closely related to, the list of ailments caused by consuming more than a minimal amount of carbs and sugars, including autism, Alzheimers, chronic fatigue syndrome, cancers, fibromyalgia, Parkinson's, diabetes, metabolic syndromes, hypertension, high triglycerides, inflammation, heart diseases, autoimmune diseases, allergies, Lupus, asthma, depression,

- Important to understand also is it’s not only Roundup or glyphosate that’s poisoning our mitochondria. Research consistently points to what’s termed as ‘persistent organic pollutants’. The global population is polluted with multiple chemicals such as solvents, pesticides, herbicides, flame retardants, other industrial chemicals, rocket propellants, mercury, etc.

@ 33:00 (https://youtu.be/MFX6vgVugew?t=30m20s) - How glyphosate can be synergistic with these other toxins?

Action steps we can take to avoid mitochondrial dysfunction @ 41:39 (https://youtu.be/MFX6vgVugew?t=41m39s).

- Living clean in general, i.e. avoid through environment or food intake.

How to avoid exposure to Roundup

Don’t use the products around the home. Eat organic. Recent study showed that after one week of an organic diet, people’s pesticide levels dropped by 90%.
With proper nutrition promote/support those detoxification pathways.
To avoid nutritional deficiencies take a multivitamin.
Exercise.
Avoid the new sources of glyphosate exposure because of the new environmental protection agency’s decision(s) which means we are exposed to more than Roundup crops, soy, corn, cotton, canola, sugar beets, and alpha. All of those are sprayed with Roundup and the sugar beet pulp is fed to animals. In addition to the genetically engineered crops mentioned there’s also exposure to spraying other crops. Where the strategy is to spray Roundup a few days before harvest. And these are crops that are not Roundup ready. So they die when they are exposed to Roundup. Why? It causes the plant to immediately go to seed as an acute reaction to the toxic exposure and that synchronizes production and increases yield. Hence, a much lower residual to clear up for next season and a head start on next year’s crop and weeds. There’s a direct correlation of wheat spraying and an increase to Celiac disease, which is a wheat glutton intolerance. Also with barley and sugar beets and possibly with other types of crops. They are not Roundup ready, the intention is to kills the plant. They’re not even measuring how much glyphosate is going into the seed.


@ 46:34 (https://youtu.be/MFX6vgVugew?t=46m34s) - General recommendations for improved mitochondrial function (from Paul’s post):

Plant based diet. It’s doesn’t have to be a 100% vegetarian diet. Make sure you get a lot of fruits and vegetables in it and adequate protein.
Low carbohydrate diet.
Too much sugar impairs the mitochondrial function, so low carbohydrate diet, i.e. paleo-Mediterranean diet.
Low grade to moderate exercise. Benefits are aerobic and detox through sweating.
Nutrient intake adequate, such as with vitamin and mineral supplements, CoQ10, NAC, chlorella, ...
Sunlight exposure.



* Additional reinforce/review notes.

Manganese benefits include:

healthy bone structure, bone metabolism, assist in creating essential enzymes for building bones
important for the normal functioning of the brain and proper activity of our nervous system throughout the body
formation of connective tissues, absorption of calcium, proper functioning of the thyroid gland and sex hormones, regulation of blood sugar level, and metabolism of fats and carbohydrates

[manganese link (https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/minerals/health-benefits-of-manganese.html)]

What are mitochondria?

Mitochondria are tiny compartments found within cells. They perform lots of different and important functions to keep us healthy.
The most crucial role that mitochondria perform is to convert energy locked in food into energy that the cell can use. In that respect they act like miniature batteries providing power to the cell when required. In fact, the main reason we breathe oxygen is so that this process of energy conversion can take place in mitochondria!

What do mitochondria do?

They make energy. Mitochondria are often referred to as the powerhouses of the cells. They generate the energy that our cells need to do their jobs.

[article (http://www.newcastle-mitochondria.com/public-patient/what-is-mitochondria/)]


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The New Food Order: How Glyphosate,
Herbicides & GMO’s Are Shaping Our Future


Two quick points from the end:

- They also spray glyphosate right before the harvest. Worst than GMOs is glyphosate. It’s doing even more harm. There is no laws that mandate that glyphosate be labeled.

- Dr. Stephanie Seneff says forget about GMOs and go straight to glyphosate because it’s a much more serious problem. Just the GMO labeling is not enough. It has to say organic. Glyphosate does more harm than Roundup. Glyphosate is the poison within it. The glyphosate is much clearer. Because it is a poison and you know exactly what it’s disrupting physiologically and you can predict what it’s going to cause and it matches everything that’s happening.


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Published on Nov 13, 2014

Guest: Dr. Stephanie Seneff, Ph.D., Senior Research Scientist at the MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. Dr. Seneff Holds Multiple Degrees from MIT including: B.S. in Biophysics, M.S. and E.E. in Electrical Engineering, Ph.D in Electrical Engineering & Computer Science. Her Approach Includes Analysis and Synthesis of Data from the Research Literature & Web-Based Epidemiological Data


Pigs’ Stomach on GMO Roundup Corn and Soy Diet
http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/pigs-GMO-Roundup-corn-and-soy-diet_zpsyz2ltwbf.jpg

[ThePythonicCow]

Great video. Thanks, Paul. Some additional notes and a sidetrack to another video by Dr. Stephanie Seneff from the link you provided:
Very informative post. Thanks, RunningDeer.

Here's a video interview of one person's experience changing to a ketogenic diet that I just enjoyed listening to.

Peter Attia (website: EatingAcademy.com (http://eatingacademy.com/)) is a medical doctor who is also a high performance endurance athlete, who is very articulate about his change to a ketogenic diet.

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Towards the end of the interview, he notes that those who seem to benefit more from a ketogenic diet are endurance athletes (as I was in my youth), and those looking for optimum mental acuity throughout the day (as I wish I had now.) On the other hand, those doing short, high intensity events such as sprints or weight lifting seem not to benefit as much.

I feel like I've lost much of the last 20 years of potential mental productivity to feeling groggy in the afternoon ... I want that mental alertness back. When I was in high school, being on a low carb diet (too poor to afford most store bought carbs) and running hours a day (such as doing a manual labor job all day, and then going for some serious exercise for a couple of hours), my mind was non-stop clear. With the improved income and conversion to a more typical American diet, I got dumber, and had fewer hours of productivity. Enough caffeine and adrenaline pushed past that for a few years, but that's a self-limiting approach.

Anyway, do listen to Peter Attia, above ... he's far more engaging and informed in this than I am (and likely better eye candy for the ladies as well.)

The book that Peter refers to near the end of the interview is The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living: An Expert Guide to Making the Life-Saving Benefits of Carbohydrate Restriction Sustainable and Enjoyable, by Jeff Volek and Stephen Phinney (http://smile.amazon.com/dp/B005CVV2AE)

[Alan]

"Fresh clean" water is one of my specialties. Someday I should write a thread on the many, many steps that I take to turn my incoming, electrically dead, chlorinated, fluoridated, toxified, municipal water into pure, re-mineralized and energized delicious water.

I for one would be very interested in hearing more about this. I currently filter tap water with a Berkey filter + fluoride filter.

[Hervé]

On fasts and diets, if one can get one's hands on it, here is one very interesting study from the beginning of last century when Rockefeller's AMA wasn't yet fully consolidated:

"Health via Food" by William H. Hay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Howard_Hay).

PDF of "Health via Food" here: http://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/02/0201hyglibcat/020165.hay.pdf

[TargeT]

Organic good, GMO's bad.



I think this is debatable, honestly I think it's too new to say "bad" just yet.

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Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) are often demonized - but what does the latest science say about their safety and benefit to society? John Entine from the Genetic Literacy Project joins Stefan Molyneux to discuss the propaganda about GMOs and whether the fear around genetic engineering is warranted.

Jon Entine is founder of Genetic Literacy Project and author of seven books, including Taboo: Why Black Athletes Dominate Sports and Why We are Afraid to Talk About It. Get the book here: http://www.fdrurl.com/taboo-book

Crop Chemophobia: Will Precaution Kill the Green Revolution
http://www.fdrurl.com/crop-chemophobia

For more from Jon Entine please check out: http://www.jonentine.com and http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org

[ThePythonicCow]

Organic good, GMO's bad.



I think this is debatable, honestly I think it's too new to say "bad" just yet.
In general, yes, Genetic Modification could be used for good or bad.

Presently however, it seems to be mostly used to improve resistance to herbicides such as Monsanto's glyphosate.

[TargeT]

Pretty good overview on the topic:



Fasting Diets Are Gaining Acceptance
Mark Mattson, a neuroscientist at the National Institute on Aging in Maryland, has not had breakfast in 35 years. Most days he practices a form of fasting — skipping lunch, taking a midafternoon run, and then eating all of his daily calories (about 2,000) in a six-hour window starting in the afternoon.

“Once you get used to it, it’s not a big deal,” said Dr. Mattson, chief of the institute’s laboratory of neurosciences. “I’m not hungry at all in the morning, and this is other people’s experience as well. It’s just a matter of getting adapted to it.”

In a culture in which it’s customary to eat three large meals a day while snacking from morning to midnight, the idea of regularly skipping meals may sound extreme. But in recent years intermittent fasting has been gaining popular attention and scientific endorsement.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/07/intermittent-fasting-diets-are-gaining-acceptance/

[ThePythonicCow]

Another good article on the benefits of high fat diets, especially saturated fats, with a balance of Omega 3 and 6 oils, especially avoiding industrially processed the excess of processed Omega 6 oils in a conventional "modern" diet: Could Eating Saturated Fats Save 1 Million Lives per Year? (Dr. Mercola) (http://healthimpactnews.com/2016/could-eating-saturated-fats-save-1-million-lives-per-year/)

[RunningDeer]

I finished this book, “Low Carb, High Fat Food Revolution: Advice and Recipes to Improve Your Health and Reduce Your Weight (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1629145459?keywords=Low%20Carb%20High%20Fat&qid=1458221216&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3),” by Andreas Eenfeldt. You can get most of the information from Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt’s 39 minute presentation, “The Food Revolution (http://www.dietdoctor.com/the-food-revolution-2016)”. It’s a short video with convincing data and graphics. I’m experimenting which includes ridding a long held belief system.


The Food Revolution 2016
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Published on Mar 11, 2016

It starts with a truck driver getting arrested for smuggling... butter. Why?

Perhaps it has something to do with why the whole world started getting obese and diabetic in 1984. And why these epidemics keep getting worse all the time, with new records broken every year.

Could people get lose weight and reverse diabetes type 2 by ignoring the dietary guidelines and doing the opposite instead? Eating delicious foods?

In this 2016 talk Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt talks about how to empower people everywhere to revolutionize their health – before it's too late.

Learn more:
http://www.dietdoctor.com

[ThePythonicCow]

I finished this book, “Low Carb, High Fat Food Revolution: Advice and Recipes to Improve Your Health and Reduce Your Weight (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1629145459?keywords=Low%20Carb%20High%20Fat&qid=1458221216&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3),” by Andreas Eenfeldt. You can get most of the information from Dr. Andreas Eenfeldt’s 39 minute presentation, “The Food Revolution (http://www.dietdoctor.com/the-food-revolution-2016)”. It’s a short video with convincing data and graphics. I’m experimenting which includes ridding a long held belief system.
He's good - thanks!

[seah]

A high end multi, and maybe a little milk thistle, calcium d-glucarate, or SGS (sulphoraphane) supplementation to maximize detox effects will be very helpful, and reduce the stress on your liver. Also remember that detox really only happens at the cellular level, hence the supplements I recommended.
Very interesting ... glucarate or SGS are new to me.

The product AOR, Cellular Detox (http://www.cureself.com/AOR-Cellular-Detox.aspx") includes these, as well as the probiotic Bifidobacterium longum, for detox, which it explains by saying:



Bifidobacterium longum (BB-536)

This highly beneficial probiotic strain has been shown to help promote carcinogen detoxification and to help prevent certain types of cancers. Evidence has shown that this bacteria acts to enhance the immune system, suppress the growth of harmful bacteria that secrete toxic substances, bind and eliminate toxic substances and potential carcinogens and secrete anti-tumor compounds. Many probiotics have been shown to reduce beta- glucuronidase activity in the colon, thereby preventing the reactivation of dangerous compounds.
These, along with the good multi-vitamin (my current favorite - Life Extension Mix Powder (http://www.lifeextension.com/vitamins-supplements/item02056/life-extension-mix-powder)) and the milk thistle that you mention, and frequent coffee enemas (with a couple grams of glutathione powder added), should be worth considering.

Thanks!

I wonder what your opinion is on the information that as we age, our stomach's ability to break down and absorb supplements becomes an issue, unless the supplement is in liquid form.
I have found this to be true for me with some vitamins, such as D and some B's, the problem is that many don't come in that format...what then?

[ThePythonicCow]

I wonder what your opinion is on the information that as we age, our stomach's ability to break down and absorb supplements becomes an issue, unless the supplement is in liquid form.
I have found this to be true for me with some vitamins, such as D and some B's, the problem is that many don't come in that format...what then?
Some people may have more trouble than others digesting supplements, and some forms of supplements may be more difficult to digest.

I would expect (and personally experience) that some people well into the second half of their life can easily digest some supplements, in a variety of physical formats - tablets, capsules and liquid.

Your mileage may vary, and eventually we each have to figure out for ourselves which supplement forms work for us.

Just as important, perhaps more important, than the physical format is the choice of molecular compounds. Most interesting isolated supplements come in the form of molecules, bound to something else. For example, magnesium might come in the form of magnesium bicarbonate, magnesium chloride, magnesium carbonate, magnesium oxide, magnesium amino acid chelate, magnesium malate, magnesium taurinate, magnesium citrate, magnesium sulphate, magnesium hydroxide, magnesium phosphate, magnesium lactate, magnesium malate, magnesium orotate, ... and likely a few others I didn't list. Some forms are liquid only, some are almost useless to anyone as they do not dissolve, some make for larger pills, some are more expensive, ... there are various tradeoffs.

Going liquid only, while it may be necessary for some, also costs more and substantially limits the variety of supplements available. It's a tradeoff we each have to make, and simply looking at one's age is not going to determine what's right for anyone of us.

[Demeisen]

I have to say I’m a bit skeptic about the low carb/high fat diet. I wish to specifically comment on the diet versus blood sugar phenomena based on what I currently know (which may or may not be much).

As I understand it, the problem with many studies is that they are generally too short to make final conclusions.

I just read about one research that compared normal diabetic diet (low fat) versus low carb high fat diet. The study was exceptionally 2 years, instead of usual 6 months or something. At the 6 months mark there was a clear improvement in blood sugar levels for those with low carb diet. But after that the results started to decline. At the end of the study the low carb diet was not undeniably better than low fat diet. And this is pretty much the argument I have heard from other sources too: You may get initial improvement, but within longer period the situation declines again.

Some time ago I watched a program about two physiologically identical twin brothers comparing low carb high fat diet with high carb high sugar diet. I’m sorry I don’t know the name of the program, but it was British. Perhaps some here have seen it. Unexpectedly the brother with low carb high fat diet started to show increased insulin resistance, while the other brother with high carb high sugar did not. Also the one with low carb suffered tiredness and low physical performance. There was also noted a loss of muscle tissue which was the actual reason for weight loss. The conclusion was that avoiding carbs actually declined the body's ability to handle them. However, it was also mentioned that it was just one specific case of study and should not be considered as definitive conclusion.

My personal experience with low carb diet couple of years back was not successful either. After 3 weeks I became so ill that I simply couldn’t go on with it any longer. I believe it was that my body went to ketosis (which is apparently the goal for low carb diet), but for me it just caused suffering, which I couldn’t handle on top of my other issues. So, to summarize all this, in my opinion the low carb diet is not a perfect fit for everybody. As it it with everything that has anything to do with human diet: for every promising study, there is one that counters it. There does not seem to be conclusive truth, which is a real bummer.

[TargeT]

Some time ago I watched a program about two physiologically identical twin brothers comparing low carb high fat diet with high carb high sugar diet. I’m sorry I don’t know the name of the program, but it was British. Perhaps some here have seen it. Unexpectedly the brother with low carb high fat diet started to show increased insulin resistance, while the other brother with high carb high sugar did not. Also the one with low carb suffered tiredness and low physical performance. There was also noted a loss of muscle tissue which was the actual reason for weight loss. The conclusion was that avoiding carbs actually declined the body's ability to handle them. However, it was also mentioned that it was just one specific case of study and should not be considered as definitive conclusion.


That sounds pretty much like exactly the opposite of the experiences I've read of and had myself.

The theory here is that constant bombardment by high levels of glucose cause cells to become insulin resistant (diabetes) which causes obesity, heart disease etc etc etc... basically too much sugar is bad, too much sugar through out your entire life can very well kill you.

here's a good 15 min ted talk on the topic:
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[RunningDeer]

Some time ago I watched a program about two physiologically identical twin brothers comparing low carb high fat diet with high carb high sugar diet. I’m sorry I don’t know the name of the program, but it was British. Perhaps some here have seen it. Unexpectedly the brother with low carb high fat diet started to show increased insulin resistance, while the other brother with high carb high sugar did not. Also the one with low carb suffered tiredness and low physical performance. There was also noted a loss of muscle tissue which was the actual reason for weight loss. The conclusion was that avoiding carbs actually declined the body's ability to handle them. However, it was also mentioned that it was just one specific case of study and should not be considered as definitive conclusion.


That sounds pretty much like exactly the opposite of the experiences I've read of and had myself.

The theory here is that constant bombardment by high levels of glucose cause cells to become insulin resistant (diabetes) which causes obesity, heart disease etc etc etc... basically too much sugar is bad, too much sugar through out your entire life can very well kill you.

here's a good 15 min ted talk on the topic:

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Powerful video on several levels. Here’s the summary in case folks want to check out more from Peter Attia.

"Peter Attia: What if we're wrong about diabetes?"

Published on Jun 25, 2013

As a young ER doctor, Peter Attia felt contempt for a patient with diabetes. She was overweight, he thought, and thus responsible for the fact that she needed a foot amputation. But years later, Attia received an unpleasant medical surprise that led him to wonder: is our understanding of diabetes right? Could the precursors to diabetes cause obesity, and not the other way around? A look at how assumptions may be leading us to wage the wrong medical war.

[ThePythonicCow]

My personal experience with low carb diet couple of years back was not successful either. After 3 weeks I became so ill that I simply couldn’t go on with it any longer. I believe it was that my body went to ketosis (which is apparently the goal for low carb diet), but for me it just caused suffering, which I couldn’t handle on top of my other issues. So, to summarize all this, in my opinion the low carb diet is not a perfect fit for everybody. As it it with everything that has anything to do with human diet: for every promising study, there is one that counters it. There does not seem to be conclusive truth, which is a real bummer.

Yes - ketosis is the goal, in some cases.

I would distinguish between high fat diets that don't put one in ketosis, versus one's that do. Typically some sort of monitoring, at least lower cost urine ketone strips for the first month, or more accurately and expensively Abbott Labs Precision Xtra blood ketone strips (about $5/test), are quite useful.

Research trials of high fat, low carb diets that don't indicate whether or not the subjects went into ketosis are missing a key detail, and so difficult to draw conclusions from.

The goal of going into ketosis is to stop using glucose (from sugars and carbohydrates) as one's primary fuel. Burning ketones in the body, where that's doable (most muscle and much brain energy can be gotten that way) is cleaner than burning glucose. In my present view, the oxidative byproducts thrown off by burning glucose (the typical energy source for almost anyone on a "Western" diet) are a major source of the stress and damage to our body that results in various chronic illnesses, depending on what one's weak link(s) are.

It's like switching one's car from burning petro to electric ... it's cleaner.

Yes, one can get sick, especially in the first month, of going into ketosis. Such a major change in diet can result in too much or too little of something that one's body needs, or can cause too much of a detox reaction as toxins buried in one's fat stores are released into the blood stream when that fat is burned. I'm sure that ketosis is the wrong answer for some people.

Ketosis is sure working for me however :).

It's more expensive ... good fats are not as cheap as all the junk food in the major grocery stores or fast food restaurants. If hard times come, I'll have to fall back to rice and beans or some such, and go off ketosis. But while I can, I intend to remain in ketosis. My ability to do prolonged mental work, with focused, productive, attention for hours on end, is better than it has been in perhaps 20 years, and other signs of good health are showing up as well. Weight is becoming more ideal, blood glucose is nice and low, and blood pressure is down to approx 115/68. I took a full blood panel before I started, and expect to take another in a few months, when I hope to see nicely lowered levels for Hemoglobin A1C, Homocysteine, and C-Reactive Protein (CRP), all of which correlate with reduced oxidative or glycogenic stress on tissues.

[TargeT]

Ketosis is sure working for me however :).

It's more expensive ... good fats are not as cheap as all the junk food in the major grocery stores or fast food restaurants.

Mix in regular periodic fasting (who came up with this 3 meals a day crap anyway? or that breakfast is the most important meal of the day... ) and it balances it out quite nicely. Caloric restriction is a great companion to L.C.H.F. when seeking Ketosis (this forces your body to "burn off" the easy fast sugars.. glucose and the like).

don't forget to put a half stick of (unsalted -grass fed) butter in your cup of coffee with a touch of stevia and mix well (creamy deliciousness will follow).

[Olam]

My personal experience with low carb diet couple of years back was not successful either. After 3 weeks I became so ill that I simply couldn’t go on with it any longer. I believe it was that my body went to ketosis (which is apparently the goal for low carb diet), but for me it just caused suffering, which I couldn’t handle on top of my other issues. So, to summarize all this, in my opinion the low carb diet is not a perfect fit for everybody. As it it with everything that has anything to do with human diet: for every promising study, there is one that counters it. There does not seem to be conclusive truth, which is a real bummer.

Yes - ketosis is the goal, in some cases.

I would distinguish between high fat diets that don't put one in ketosis, versus one's that do. Typically some sort of monitoring, at least lower cost urine ketone strips for the first month, or more accurately and expensively Abbott Labs Precision Xtra blood ketone strips (about $5/test), are quite useful.

Research trials of high fat, low carb diets that don't indicate whether or not the subjects went into ketosis are missing a key detail, and so difficult to draw conclusions from.

The goal of going into ketosis is to stop using glucose (from sugars and carbohydrates) as one's primary fuel. Burning ketones in the body, where that's doable (most muscle and much brain energy can be gotten that way) is cleaner than burning glucose. In my present view, the oxidative byproducts thrown off by burning glucose (the typical energy source for almost anyone on a "Western" diet) are a major source of the stress and damage to our body that results in various chronic illnesses, depending on what one's weak link(s) are.

It's like switching one's car from burning petro to electric ... it's cleaner.

Yes, one can get sick, especially in the first month, of going into ketosis. Such a major change in diet can result in too much or too little of something that one's body needs, or can cause too much of a detox reaction as toxins buried in one's fat stores are released into the blood stream when that fat is burned. I'm sure that ketosis is the wrong answer for some people.

Ketosis is sure working for me however :).

It's more expensive ... good fats are not as cheap as all the junk food in the major grocery stores or fast food restaurants. If hard times come, I'll have to fall back to rice and beans or some such, and go off ketosis. But while I can, I intend to remain in ketosis. My ability to do prolonged mental work, with focused, productive, attention for hours on end, is better than it has been in perhaps 20 years, and other signs of good health are showing up as well. Weight is becoming more ideal, blood glucose is nice and low, and blood pressure is down to approx 115/68. I took a full blood panel before I started, and expect to take another in a few months, when I hope to see nicely lowered levels for Hemoglobin A1C, Homocysteine, and C-Reactive Protein (CRP), all of which correlate with reduced oxidative or glycogenic stress on tissues.

This is good info, one detail though , I would mention that ketone urine strips are not a very good way to monitor since your body eliminates unused ketones via the urine.
If your body eliminates the ketones its because your are not really in ketosis. It eliminates because it has glucose it can use..
Just like monitoring your acid levels with urine strips is not good either as the body eliminates acidity thru the urine.
So if you have alkaline urine, then it means you are mainly acid as the body did not eliminate the acidity!

A blood glucose/ketone meter is the best way to go.
You want your glucose to be below 4.5 mmol/l and your ketones to be at least 1.5 mmol/l.
Thats in a fasted state. Its normal for glucose levels to creep up after a meal, but it should not be very high and you should go back to the mentioned levels after mabe 2-3 hours after the meal.
Then the next indication after that to see if you are really keto adapted is to see if at those levels you have energy all day and are not crashing out after a meal.

Personally, I have just reached this keto adapted level after 2 months of working on it.
I now sleep better and lost 4 pounds in a month eating fat..!!

cheers

[TargeT]

Certainly these two aren't related.......



Number of adults with diabetes has quadrupled since 1980: WHO
ENEVA (AFP) -
http://scd.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/aef_ct_wire_image_620/images/afp/658932e419f3673de6361c666ca584da776a81c1.jpg
The number of adults estimated to be living with diabetes surged to 422 million by 2014, a nearly four-fold increase on 1980 figures, the World Health Organization (WHO) said Wednesday, in its first-ever global report on the disease.

"Globally, an estimated 422 million adults were living with diabetes in 2014, compared to 108 million in 1980," the UN health agency said, warning that the condition had spread because of worldwide changes "in the way people eat, move and live."
http://www.france24.com/en/20160406-number-adults-with-diabetes-has-quadrupled-1980-who

Hmm.....


High fructose corn syrup
After being classified as "generally recognized as safe" (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 1976,[24] HFCS began to replace sucrose as the main sweetener of soft drinks in the United States. At the same time, rates of obesity rose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fructose_corn_syrup

[Demeisen]

Thanks for good comments. How would you see low carb diet suit for a person who is little on the under-weighted side? Limiting carbs intake certainly makes you lose weight, but what if that's not desirable? The problem for me is the constant hunger which no other snacks seem to alleviate but bread. Being hungry and under-weighted is not a good combination, I think.

[TargeT]

Limiting carbs intake certainly makes you lose weight, but what if that's not desirable? The problem for me is the constant hunger which no other snacks seem to alleviate but bread. Being hungry and under-weighted is not a good combination, I think.

At least switch to a whole food carb , potatoes, yams, yukka root, plantains, bread fruit etc... (btw they all taste like variants of each other... haha) but honestly increasing your protein intake should help satisfy as well once you've weaned your self off sugars err.. "carbs". your body is likely only satisfied with bread because it knows it's easy sugar and your running like a humming bird right now (did you know they often add HFCS to bread?).

This is all a guess based on FAR too little info, so grain of salt and all that....

Sounds like you have a high metabolism and maybe are insulin resistant; so you don't have to worry about carbs since the insulin mechanism isn't an issue for you and you are probably metabolically overly active instead of under like those of us who look into LCHF.

The common thought on weight is, for the ‘average’ person, you need around 3500 calories to gain a pound. That’s 3500 calories over and above your maintenance weight!(which will be a higher caloric need to begin with due to your metabolism) Likewise, for every 3500 calories of deficit your body has, you will potentially lose a pound of fat reserves.

One of the simplest ways to intentionally increase your caloric intake is to add a mass gainer to your daily routine (find them at GNC, walmart etc...).

Anywhere you can, try to put some extra calories in your food, particularly foods you already eat and enjoy, the key here you'll notice I$ eating a lot... haha.

• If you’re eating pasta, for example, put an extra two tablespoons of a healthy oil (say olive) in your pasta sauce. You probably won’t notice the difference.

• If you eat cereal for breakfast, try adding a sliced up banana and a spoon full of peanut butter to your routine.

• Drink a glass of milk with your meals, rather than a glass of water.

• If you eat a salad, make sure there’s some dressing on it, or maybe something tasty like goat cheese.


eat two or three large meals a day (L A R G E ) and don't eat in between, this can help put a damper on your metabolism (Sumo wrestlers only eat 2 large meals a day).

But really, experiment & keep a food log... it will help you fine tune your diet to your body.

[TargeT]

From the coconut oil thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89916-The-Miracle-of-Coconut-Oil)... Looks like a Ketone based diet can prevent or even cure Alzheimer's?:


A few studies about the potential use of medium chain triglycerides or ketone bodies to not only treat but prevent Alzheimer’s disease caught Dr. Newport’s eye. Medium chain triglycerides are also regarded as a potential treatment for Parkinson’s disease, Huntington’s disease, multiple sclerosis, drug resistant epilepsy, and diabetes. Dr. Newport explains, “Ketone bodies may help the brain recover after a loss of oxygen in newborns through adults, may help the heart recover after an acute attack, and may shrink cancerous tumors. Children with drug resistant epilepsy sometimes respond to an extremely low carbohydrate ketogenic diet.”

The body’s cells may be able to use ketone bodies as an alternative fuel when glucose is unavailable. Ketone bodies do not normally circulate in the body unless it has been starving for a few days, or if one is on a very low-carb diet, such as Atkins. Dr. Newport explains, “In Alzheimer’s disease, the neurons in certain areas of the brain are unable to take in glucose due to insulin resistance, and slowly die off… if these cells had access to ketone bodies, they could potentially stay alive and continue to function.”
http://www.davidwolfe.com/2-tbs-coconut-oil-60-days-brain/

[Olam]

Thanks for good comments. How would you see low carb diet suit for a person who is little on the under-weighted side? Limiting carbs intake certainly makes you lose weight, but what if that's not desirable? The problem for me is the constant hunger which no other snacks seem to alleviate but bread. Being hungry and under-weighted is not a good combination, I think.

Loosing weight on Keto is not guaranteed. In fact some people gain weight..
Everybody has a different metabolic system and so its up to you to adjust the fat intake to suit your needs.
For me for example, I have weight to loose, and so I eat fat, to a point, but to create a deficit of what I really need, forcing my body to use my fat as energy.
Once I get to a desired weight, I will adjust my fat intake, will take a bit more and this way I will be even with what I take and what my body needs.
There are tons of websites that help you calculate your macros, how much to take in protein and fat to fit your needs.

[Frenchy]

From Target = I only drink rain water I do run it through a paper (wood pulp) filter for larger particles since it's stored in large tanks that are fed from my roof & can pick up sediment. end Quote
( Hah Hah, Who's forgetting about those planes overhead ! )

Like your Avatar, but need new glasses ! btw listened to two Dutch guys promoting benefits of Mono-Atomic Gold....... My instinctiveness told me they were used car salesmen , retired from the Security Services ( pls don't say cia, they get blamed for enough !) [There ar others, ask Mr Icke 1]

As a potential aly, Targ, condisder the ' Antenna ' effcet of extra-Radio-phonic components in our bodies...... remember ' The Time Machine - bbc JulesVerne ? ) Buggering Boys & Children , as it's known in the UK !

[Frenchy]

Hi, Constant Hunger might suggest , you've un-invited guest ?

[Frenchy]

Hello Alan,
s eeing that tptb have so much control, would it be un-reasonable to presume that they have provided the Water filter industry , with Smart - Dust Technology, thereby fore-stalling , any ' Clean thinking Technologies of ours ?... such that the Filters we Trust, already have the Morgellons or other Body-Antenna creating tech within ? ( They ARE millions of years ahead of us... )

[TargeT]

Great sources for info:
https://www.reddit.com/r/keto

https://www.reddit.com/r/ketogains

I mean... L O T S of info...

[bettye198]

I have read all these posts and do have a comment. Our practice is mostly nutrition based with customized energetic and muscle testing. There is no guessing and it is a scientific preciseness that never lies. Not kinesiology. More advanced. That said, webinars from Doctors all over the globe are tapped into every week and studies are shown that have results. Understand this is out of the medical modality box but with full knowledge of how the biologic and neurobiology works.
The mitochondria was mentioned here and yes, it is the fuel of the cell ( it has its own DNA received from mother by the way) but what good is the mitochondria if the cell membrane is a hot mess? There are over 650 hormones that run the body and if disrupted at the cell wall, nothing gets thru and nothing gets out. This is the first red flag. Chronic illness.
Our goal is to nourish the cells, not starve them. All the fasting and ketoacidosis is like a child playing with a lit match. We think we get results but at what internal cost? Our body except for the stomach, needs alkaline foods. Almonds, vegies and fruits that appear acid but create an alkaline ash in the system. Cancer cannot exist in the presence of high potassium. Meaning more greens! Cancer needs fresh fruit because the fiber, pulp and meat of the fruit is anti cancer and anti viral. Meat should be sparingly consumed as it makes all the organs work harder, especially the kidney and without that function in 24 hrs we are all dead.
I am being simplistic but I understand the complexity of the workings of the human body. Gut is the second brain. Brain and heart accept disruptions elsewhere more than you know. If the kidneys are struggling you will have back up and brain fog. If the liver is in a toxic state, the heart can struggle.
I think the whole idea of detox and flushing the system is to take the first step judiciously. If your system is impaired all approaches must be cautious, not tactical. The reason why so many people who try this and get sick over it is reason enough. We don't need to feel awful. And healing crisis's can be managed at a low level.
We listen to the body's instructions of what it can handle through testing.
We need the antioxidants to prepare to rebuild the cell membrane coupled with clean eating. Then we can proceed with detox. Fasting will put the body into starvation. What can possibly nourish the cells during that time? Glucose in moderation with fresh fruit is needed for cellular exchange. Not fruit juices or soda pop or sugary foods.
A kind reminder would be in the book Medical Medium by Anthony William. He only accents what we already know with our patients.

[ThePythonicCow]

I am now about 2 months into a ketogenic diet - it's working very well. Basic signs of body health, such as blood pressure and weight are much better. Hours of mental alertness and productivity each day are way up. It's my diet and I'm sticking to it. I anticipate that I've added many years of good health to my life.

P.S. -- weight just went below 200 pounds, for the first time in perhaps 35 years :).

[TargeT]

P.S. -- weight just went below 200 pounds, for the first time in perhaps 35 years :).

I just got down to 205,, looking to break the 200 barrier myself :)

Oh, and I don't exercise AT ALL ( knee hurts too much still). I've lost weight while being physically barely able to walk (knee shattered in June of last summer, I can now walk probably 1/4 mile a day in total distance traveled).

as soon as I'm more mobile I'll mix in some plyometric exercises.... I can't imagine what exercise ON TOP of this diet will do!

[Akasha]

I am now about 2 months into a ketogenic diet - it's working very well. Basic signs of body health, such as blood pressure and weight are much better. Hours of mental alertness and productivity each day are way up. It's my diet and I'm sticking to it. I anticipate that I've added many years of good health to my life.

P.S. -- weight just went below 200 pounds, for the first time in perhaps 35 years :).

Hi Paul. As it's now one month later (May 24th), could you share another update as well as going into detail about what you actually eat specifically from meal to meal in a typical day?

Many thanks.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi Paul. As it's now one month later (May 24th), could you share another update as well as going into detail about what you actually eat specifically from meal to meal in a typical day?

Many thanks.

Ok :)

My main sources of a variety of nutrients are:

my specially prepared water (see below),
a blender smoothie,
paleo-like fats and proteins,
some particular vitamin supplements, and
Steve Gibson's Healthy Sleep Formula (https://www.grc.com/health/sleep/healthy_sleep_formula.htm).


I have made one significant change in this last month - removing krill and cod liver oil, in line with Brian Peskin's work on what he terms parent-essential oils (http://brianpeskin.com/). He observes that omega-6 linoleic acid (LA) and omega-3 alpha-linolenic acid (ALA) are essential fatty acids in the construction of cell and mitochondria membranes, and that they play an essential role in the transport of oxygen across the membrane walls. These two fatty acids are, in his view, the only two essential fatty acids for the human body that the body must get from outside food. We can convert whatever other so-called "essential" fatty acids, such as DHA and EPA, from LA and ALA, as needed. The conventional medical view is that our body is inefficient at this conversion, so it is usually recommended to supplement with additional DHA and EPA, such as obtained from the oil of fish and krill that live in cold water. Peskin's view is that DHA and EPA are dangerous supplements and should be studiously avoided, because they turn rancid (oxidize) rapidly in warm, oxygen rich environments, such as within any living human body. Only fish adapted to living in ice cold water require high concentrations of DHA and EPA. To Peskin it makes no more sense to supplement with DHA and EPA than it does to supplement with automobile antifreeze.

My specially prepared water goes through a number of steps to remove toxins, add a variety of water soluble minerals and restructure the water. First the water passes through (1) a whole house chlorine filter, (2) an under the sink reverse osmosis unit and (3) a counter top distiller. Then a separate nearly saturated concentrate (aka "sole") is prepared, with various minerals. These minerals include "Real Salt" (from Utah, similar to pink Himalayan salt), sodium bicarbonate, potassium bicarbonate, Lugol's iodine, a wee bit of borax, some home prepared ionic silver (using the excellent Silver Puppy colloidal silver generator), Willard water, MSM (http://amzn.com/B0001TNVEM), magnesium bicarbonate (the making of which is in itself an interesting procedure), and Epsom salts. The concentrate is then spun for several hours in a vortex (*) using a Lab Companion Magnetic Stirrer (http://amzn.com/B00CF3H2VA), while playing classical music over some headphones outside the large glass jar, and shining an LED grow light down onto it. Since it's a concentrate, the sole concentrate can sit out on a shelf at room temperature. The final drinkable water is made with about 10 parts of the distilled water and 1 part of the concentrate. That drinking water is kept in a glass jug in the refrigerator, as it is perishable.

My blender smoothie is quite a concoction of various items, in an ever changing variety. Here's a list I made recently of what's in it:

ground flax seeds
soaked chia seeds
kale leaves
spinach leaves
broccoli
asparagus
carrots
red beet root
safflower oil
sunflower oil
walnut oil
flax oil
hemp oil
pumpkin oil
chorella
coconut oil
olive oil
red palm oil
raw egg, from properly fed, cage free, hens
Vitamineral Green superfood powder
Boku superfood powder
Life Extension Mix multivitamin powder
Green Vibrance superfood powder
turmeric spice
curcumin
ginger
cayenne
cinnamon


My paleo-like fats and proteins include grass fed butter, avacodo, "Bullet coffee" (coffee, butter and MCT oil), organic uncured bacon, beef jerky from grass fed cows (be careful to avoid the many jerky's with some hidden MSG (http://mamavation.com/2015/04/90-hidden-msg-ingredients.html) in the ingredients), and some wonderful Amish raw milk cheddar cheese from Heinis (http://heinis.com/).

My present supplements include

liposomal spray of vitamin D-3 and K-2,
sublingual vitamin B-12 (methylcobalamin),
transdermal magnesium,
Lugol's iodine (about 1 gm/day of the 5% solution provides about 50 mg/day of the potassium iodide and iodine mix)
several grams of chewable Vitamin C each day (sweetened with sorbitol and/or xylitol, not with fructose),
various probiotic tablets,
lithium orotate,
chelated manganese,
chelated zinc,
folic acid,
a B-100 vitamin B complex,
quercetin,
Evening Primrose Oil,
Nutrition Essentials "Neuro Clarity",
Christopher's Kidney formula,
benfotiamine,
Vitacost's N-Acetyl L-Carnitine, Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) & CoQ10 mix,
500 mg niacin (will give a strong flush the first few times),
Essiac herbal extract,
European milk thistle, and
Vitacost AdvanC (C with quercetin and bioflavonoids).


I wash down the vitamins, and the healthy sleep formula, with a glass of organic unfiltered apple juice that has an ounce or two of Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar (with the "mother") added.

The purified remineralized, re-energized water should be drunk on an empty stomach, such as when first arising in the morning, as it doesn't work well with the stomach acids needed in the digestion of many of the other foods above.

I try to get to the Bullet coffee early in the day, as it's a drink I like, but I often find that I have been busy productively doing stuff, from the moment I stand up, and just don't get to the coffee until it would be too close to bed time.

(*) P.S. - The vortex spins inside a large 2 gallon glass sun tea jar with six very strong magnets taped to the outside, in an alternating hexagonal pattern.

[Akasha]

Thanks for that detailed reply. Have you lost any more weight?

[ThePythonicCow]

Thanks for that detailed reply. Have you lost any more weight?

Weight and other such vitals are holding steady. Removing the cold fish oils might lower my "pulse pressure" (systolic minus diastolic) over the next 2 or 3 months, as the lipid composition of my vascular cells improves.

[Akasha]

You listed plenty of sources of simple carb's in your blender smoothie recipe (spinach, broccoli, beetroot, kale etc...). Do these undermine the efforts to remain in / achieve ketosis?

Also, the thread has focused on avoiding the second largest killer, namely cancer, but is there not a very real risk that in so doing via animal fats the number one killer is being invited in?

[ThePythonicCow]

You listed plenty of sources of simple carb's in your blender smoothie recipe (spinach, broccoli, beetroot, kale etc...). Do these undermine the efforts to remain in / achieve ketosis?

Also, the thread has focused on avoiding the second largest killer, namely cancer, but is there not a very real risk that in so doing via animal fats the number one killer is being invited in?

My most recent blood ketone measurement was 1.7 mmol/L, which is well into ketosis. My diet has quite a variety of carbs and fruits (and even some peppermint patties with honey instead of sugar filling), but the significant majority of energy comes from the saturated and mono-unsaturated fats and medium chain triglycerices (MCT), not the sugars or carbs. It's a variety of carbs, but less of a quantity of carbs.

I don't consider saturated animal fats, whether from meat, eggs, or dairy, to be a significant cause of disease, so long as the animals in turn had healthy diets, such as grass on healthy soil without glyphosate or the other "inert" (yeah, right) ingredients on Monstersanto's Round-Up. The choice of whether to eat such foods is more of an ethical question, in my view. Animals fed unhealthy diets, with toxins and damaged or deficient fats, will provide unhealthy meat, milk and eggs.

In my view, saturated fats are not the problem. Rather processed, oxidized, rancid, heated, hydrogenated, and otherwise damaged poly-unsaturated fats are a key to the problem. They replace the healthy omega-6 and omega-3 fats used to construct critical membranes of all cells, impairing the cells ability to transport oxygen across the cell wall, leading to the wide panoply of chronic illnesses.

See for example Saturated fats: do they cause heart disease? (http://www.nutrition-coalition.org/saturated-fats-do-they-cause-heart-disease/). Some of the meta-studies quoted on that page indicate that replacing saturated fats with poly-unsaturated fats provide cardiovascular benefits, but I do not see off-hand whether it was the lowering of saturated fats, or the increasing of (unspecified) poly-unsaturated fats that provided this benefit. That some other studies that replaced saturated fats with increased carbohydrates did not provide cardiovascular benefits is however consistent with my current working hypothesis that the increased poly-unsaturated fats were the critical element to the provided benefits. Such studies are difficult to draw conclusions from, because one has to dig carefully to determine, if it is even possible to do so at all, which poly-unsaturated fats were used in the testing, and whether they were fresh, unheated, undamaged oils, or somehow damaged oils -- there's an essential difference between the two. Other critical co-factors, such as a variety of essential minerals, also need to be controlled for in such experiments, in order to provide a firm basis for any conclusions.

[Akasha]

.....In my view, saturated fats are not the problem. Rather processed, oxidized, rancid, heated, hydrogenated, and otherwise damaged poly-unsaturated fats are a key to the problem. They replace the healthy omega-6 and omega-3 fats used to construct critical membranes of all cells, impairing the cells ability to transport oxygen across the cell wall, leading to the wide panoply of chronic illnesses.

See for example Saturated fats: do they cause heart disease? (http://www.nutrition-coalition.org/saturated-fats-do-they-cause-heart-disease/). Some of the meta-studies quoted on that page indicate that replacing saturated fats with poly-unsaturated fats provide cardiovascular benefits, but I do not see off-hand whether it was the lowering of saturated fats, or the increasing of (unspecified) poly-unsaturated fats that provided this benefit. That some other studies that replaced saturated fats with increased carbohydrates did not provide cardiovascular benefits is however consistent with my current working hypothesis that the increased poly-unsaturated fats were the critical element to the provided benefits. Such studies are difficult to draw conclusions from, because one has to dig carefully to determine, if it is even possible to do so at all, which poly-unsaturated fats were used in the testing, and whether they were fresh, unheated, undamaged oils, or somehow damaged oils -- there's an essential difference between the two. Other critical co-factors, such as a variety of essential minerals, also need to be controlled for in such experiments, in order to provide a firm basis for any conclusions.

I certainly agree with your comments about processed oils as well as your advice to dig carefully.

I dug as deeply as I could through the Saturated fats: do they cause heart disease? article you linked to and it was interesting and revealing.

Several of the trials mentioned in the article were behind pay-walls. However, a handful of (free) sentences did stand out in contrast to the theme of the article:

(from the second referenced trial) …..Saturated fats were not associated with total CHD, but we found a trend for association with CHD mortality…..(!!!)

…..replacement of saturated fats with either MUFA or carbohydrate improved indices of glucose homeostasis…..(the balance of insulin and glucagon to maintain blood glucose)

….and... from the conclusion of the ninth trial: …..Reducing saturated fat by reducing and/or modifying dietary fat reduced the risk of cardiovascular events by 14%…..

Somewhat relevant to this topic, there was an interesting discussion between Dave "Bulletproof" Asprey, Dr. Garth Davies and ultra athlete, Rich Roll recently. here (http://www.mindbodygreen.com/revitalize/video/body-hacking-yay-or-nay)'s the full video. Below is a YouTube snippet. Dr. Davies claims that since 2008 there has been a drive by the meat, dairy and egg industry to take control of the data.

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This (http://nutritionfacts.org/2016/04/28/egg-consumption-and-ldl-cholesterol-size/) article by Dr. Michael Greger M.D highlights how this kind of misrepresentation can take place although it is by no means the only method.

Any way, I'll leave it there except suffice it to say I don't want you (or anyone else) to have a heart attack!

[TargeT]

I came onto eating once a day by accident, this guy comes up with some great reasons for it:

Why I eat once a day....
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[RunningDeer]

I came onto eating once a day by accident, this guy comes up with some great reasons for it:

Why I eat once a day....
This book dovetails nicely with your video. The pdf is locked, so if hi-lighting and/or cut and paste notes helps to retain information, the $9.95 Kindle edition is worth the price. The hard cover new & used is almost $60.


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pdf - “Health via Food (http://soilandhealth.org/wp-content/uploads/02/0201hyglibcat/020165.hay.pdf),” by: Hay, William Howard
Kindle - “Health via Food (https://www.amazon.com/Health-via-Food-William-Howard-ebook/dp/B00JRGBN9U?ie=UTF8&keywords=health%20via%20food&qid=1464263723&ref_=sr_1_1&s=books&sr=1-1),” by: Hay, William Howard

snippets:

“His entire effort in the practice of his profession for the past twenty-four years has been directed toward making everyone his own physician.”

“The writer does not treat disease, in the strictest sense of the word, but seeks only to build health on whatever foundation remains at the time this is undertaken; so he cannot ever say that he cured a single disease in his whole medical practice, nor does he believe that anyone else ever did. He seeks merely to remove from each case the visible obstacles to Nature's unhampered function, and he knows that this is all that the smartest man in the world can do. Nature alone makes the cure, if it is ever made or to be made. “

“This is the lesson that each must learn if he aspires to be his own physician, and once he has learned this lesson well, he then lacks only the will and initiative to put the whole program to the test, which will thoroughly convince him of the truth of the entire proposition. Let no man who is wounded try to do without the surgeon, for this is his legitimate field, nor should one who is deformed try to do the same thing, for this also is surgery's legitimate field, in both of which surgery has shown its worth; but if one has a pain anywhere in his insides let him stay away from the surgeon, if he wishes to die whole, for he may die otherwise in various sections serially.”

“So fasting has its place in treatment of the sick, but do not make the mistake of thinking that either foods or fasting are curative, for only the body's own resources are in any sense the agents of cure. What fasting does is just what right food does, the mere relieving of the system from former handicaps, and while right foods in the right combinations will relieve a former handicap of wrong foods (or wrong foods in wrong combinations, which is the usual thing), yet even right foods in right combinations may be a handicap when the body is not able to handle even these, and desires in no unmistakable voice to be let strictly alone. It is then that the fast is clearly indicated, and this indication should be as faithfully respected as any other indication in disease or in health, and no food of any kind should be offered or taken till the body announces through normal hunger a return of need for nourishment. Then the need for fasting has passed and feeding may be resumed, and it is then that care must be exercised not to create again a toxic state that will make another such cataclysm necessary. Thus fasting and feeding, as resting and exercise, emphasize again the great law of compensation, of give and take, of action and reaction, each having its definite place in the body's scheme of keeping her balance or regaining it when lost.”

[TargeT]

Seems like I just keep finding good stuff about "fasting" and "irregular eating"... This one is (potentially) pretty significant.


Fasting diet 'regenerates diabetic pancreas'

The pancreas can be triggered to regenerate itself through a type of fasting diet, say US researchers.
Restoring the function of the organ - which helps control blood sugar levels - reversed symptoms of diabetes in animal experiments.
The study, published in the journal Cell (http://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674%2817%2930130-7), says the diet reboots the body.
Experts said the findings were "potentially very exciting" as they could become a new treatment for the disease.
People are advised not to try this without medical advice.
In the experiments, mice were put on a modified form of the "fasting-mimicking diet".
It is like the human form of the diet when people spend five days on a low calorie, low protein, low carbohydrate but high unsaturated-fat diet.
It resembles a vegan diet with nuts and soups, but with around 800 to 1,100 calories a day.
Then they have 25 days eating what they want - so overall it mimics periods of feast and famine.
Previous research has suggested it can slow the pace of ageing.
Diabetes therapy?

But animal experiments showed the diet regenerated a special type of cell in the pancreas called a beta cell.
These are the cells that detect sugar in the blood and release the hormone insulin if it gets too high.
Dr Valter Longo, from the University of Southern California, said: "Our conclusion is that by pushing the mice into an extreme state and then bringing them back - by starving them and then feeding them again - the cells in the pancreas are triggered to use some kind of developmental reprogramming that rebuilds the part of the organ that's no longer functioning."
There were benefits in both type 1 and type 2 diabetes in the mouse experiments.
Type 1 is caused by the immune system destroying beta cells and type 2 is largely caused by lifestyle and the body no longer responding to insulin.
Further tests on tissue samples from people with type 1 diabetes produced similar effects.
Dr Longo said: "Medically, these findings have the potential to be very important because we've shown - at least in mouse models - that you can use diet to reverse the symptoms of diabetes.
"Scientifically, the findings are perhaps even more important because we've shown that you can use diet to reprogram cells without having to make any genetic alterations."
What's it like?

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BBC reporter Peter Bowes took part in a separate trial with Dr Valter Longo.
He said: "During each five-day fasting cycle, when I ate about a quarter of the average person's diet, I lost between 2kg and 4kg (4.4-8.8lbs).
"But before the next cycle came round, 25 days of eating normally had returned me almost to my original weight.
"But not all consequences of the diet faded so quickly."
His blood pressure was lower as was a hormone called IGF-1, which is linked to some cancers.
He said: "The very small meals I was given during the five-day fast were far from gourmet cooking, but I was glad to have something to eat"
Separate trials of the diet (http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/9/377/eaai8700) in people have been shown to improve blood sugar levels. The latest findings help to explain why.
However, Dr Longo said people should not rush off and crash diet.
He told the BBC: "It boils down to do not try this at home, this is so much more sophisticated than people realise."
He said people could "get into trouble" with their health if it was done without medical guidance.
Dr Emily Burns, research communications manager at Diabetes UK, said: "This is potentially very exciting news, but we need to see if the results hold true in humans before we'll know more about what it means for people with diabetes.
"People with type-1 and type-2 diabetes would benefit immensely from treatments that can repair or regenerate insulin-producing cells in the pancreas."

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-39070183

[conk]

I've just come across some interesting info regarding wheat. Dr. Mercola: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/01/22/how-to-safely-bring-wheat-back-into-your-diet.aspx

Dr. Perlmutter, who wrote books against eating wheat, has collaborated with Dr. Douillard and now agrees that there are safe ways to eat wheat and that digestion is critical to that end. This is Dr. Douillard's site for purchase of the particular herbs (ayurvedic) that prepare the intestines for proper digestion of wheat.

Amazon sells an organic, pre-genetically engineered, form of wheat that is supposed to be safer to eat. https://www.amazon.com/Jovial-Foods-Organic-Einkorn-32-0-Ounce/dp/B007SM6NWC/ref=sr_1_1_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1486659381&sr=8-1&keywords=elkhorn+flour

Thanks Paul for reinforcing the idea of consuming lots of quality fats. We've begun to eat loads of red palm, coconut, and high quality olive oil. The taste of fresh, pure olive oil is amazing when compared to most of the crap on grocery shelves. If it doesn't have a peppery finish in taste, then it's old or not real olive oil. That peppery taste is the polyphenols that provide such great benefit. Other very good fats are real butter oil and cod liver oil. There are lots of it for sale, but very, very few are of good quality. Green Pastures Blue Ice may be the best of the lot. These two work synergistically. Read Dr. Weston Price for details.

Dr. Johanna Budwig, a protégé of Dr. Otto Warburg (Nobel Prize winner), is perhaps the final word on fatty acids. Her description of the electrical properties of raw fats in very interesting. There is no electron exchange with processed, dead rancid vegetable oils.

[TargeT]

Still eating once a day... works great!

(I shoot for 16/8)

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[Karezza]

Still eating once a day... works great!

(I shoot for 16/8)



How does eating once a day affect you energy levels, if at all

[TargeT]

Still eating once a day... works great!

(I shoot for 16/8)



How does eating once a day affect you energy levels, if at all


Since I eat in the afternoon/evening (I start consuming "other than water" around 2-4pm, and it usualy starts off with some nuts or something to last me until I eat dinner around 7-9 pm then stop by 10) I'm WELL into ketosis by the time I wake up, I've never had "low blood sugar" issues like some people say they do, but I don't feel any lack of energy at all, around 12 I start to notice I'm a bit hungry, but there's never any groggy feelings (my coworkers commonly complain about the "lunch monster" or something how they feel like taking a nap after lunch, I don't experience this even when I do finally eat). My portions are significantly smaller, I "get full" much faster, and it's helped me maintain a weight level that I want while still being able to abuse my liver like a good red blooded american should (Beer and bourbon normally).



Side note on that though. I also have an altered sleep pattern, I generally sleep 4-6 hours a night (from 12-2am until 6:30/7 am) and since I'm forced to take "an hour lunch" at my job I take a nap instead (anything over 20/30 min is too long, but if I can hit REM in that period of time I wake up even sharper and more focused). I can skip this and don't need it, but I work a mental job and I've found this seems to "reset" me very nicely for the last 4 hours of the work day (I often do the "caffeine nap" as well, drink caffeine and lay down for a nap right away, there's some neuroscience behind this).

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Though I've found a nap followed by caffeine works just as well for the end result (super charged brain!)

So... uhh, I think I answered your question.

Just remeber, ensure you don't eat sugar, or at least keep it to the fermented kind ;) sugar is poison (that's my mantra).


Yes there's a bit of cognitive dissonance in this life style, but I am human.

[Napping]

Hi Paul,

I’m curious as to how your ketogenic diet has been going and whether (if you had one) you reached your weight loss goal. I’ve slowly adopted a 16/8 largely paleo approach. Whether I go into ketosis or not doesn’t concern me too much, the real goal was to cut out process food as much as possible and reduce alcohol intake. I’m into week 3 of going low carb and am finally starting to feel more energetic. Definitely less food cravings, less brain fog and I’ve lost the pale, tired complexion I used to have.

I was very skeptical about your promotion of the diet as the answer to avoiding/treating cancer, but more research is coming out that has made me pay attention and I’ve had two patients literally reverse their PSA levels with aggressive cancers through fasting/ketogenic diets and the use of cannibas oil. It certainly has more of my attention.

[ThePythonicCow]

Hi Paul,

I’m curious as to how your ketogenic diet has been going and whether (if you had one) you reached your weight loss goal. I’ve slowly adopted a 16/8 largely paleo approach. Whether I go into ketosis or not doesn’t concern me too much, the real goal was to cut out process food as much as possible and reduce alcohol intake. I’m into week 3 of going low carb and am finally starting to feel more energetic. Definitely less food cravings, less brain fog and I’ve lost the pale, tired complexion I used to have.

I was very skeptical about your promotion of the diet as the answer to avoiding/treating cancer, but more research is coming out that has made me pay attention and I’ve had two patients literally reverse their PSA levels with aggressive cancers through fasting/ketogenic diets and the use of cannibas oil. It certainly has more of my attention.

I had reduced my weight from about 250 to 180 something, on a high fat, modest protein, quite low carb diet. That weight is just about ideal for me. I push a wide variety of nutrients, by both foods and supplements. I drink some quite fine water. I have been refining how I process my water, cleaning out the junk in my typical municipal water, restoring the minerals and re-energizing it. Over half of my entire cash flow goes toward good food, water and supplements.

I say "had reduced", because my son Sam is visiting me for a few months, and he's a good cook. So my consumption of various carbs (pasta, rice, and grains) had gone up, as these are included in his idea of a complete and delicious meal. My weight had gone back up 10 pounds, and some minor, localized, health issues were becoming more evident.

So now I am in the second day of a five day water plus limited fats fast. This still includes supplements, lots of Vitamin C and minerals, but it includes as close to no proteins or carbs as I can comfortably and practically reach. I've been in and out of ketosis frequently over the last year or two, so about the only thing I notice when starting a fast is that I almost stop being hungry ... easy. People on a more standard American diet (SAD) need to pay more attention to how they start training their body to go into ketosis - and for some people I am sure it would not be a good idea at all.

I've just started reading a new book, The Longevity Diet: Discover the New Science Behind Stem Cell Activation and Regeneration to SlowAging, Fight Disease, and Optimize Weight, by Valter Longo (http://a.co/hHRynUs), which goes into more detail of the advantages of periodic fasting that still includes water, vitamins and minerals, optionally includes some fats and oils, but minimizes as much as practical (for that person's body, health and preferences) both carb and protein intake. To quote the this Amazon page: "specific diets can activate stem cells and promote regeneration and rejuvenation in multiple organs to significantly reduce risk for diabetes, cancer, Alzheimer’s, and heart disease."

I remain a strong fan of high fat, modest protein (relatively low protein by most American standards), low to quite low carb diet. Fats and oils must be a combination of a limited amount of the lighter Omega 3 and 6 oils, of high quality, and as much of the more saturated fats as you want (except during periodic fasts). The lighter oils are required nutrients, but they are the most easily damaged by typical processing and storage in the "modern" American food chain, not to mention by the deliberate industrial processing intended to extend the shelf life and "mouth feel" of processed food. The quantities and proportions of the lighter oils should be limited.

As more and more of the people that I "hang out with" (mostly on the Web) have to deal with aging parents and siblings, it becomes increasingly clear to me how important it is to keep one's mind strong. One can deal with rather substantial physical infirmities rather easily, so long as they aren't so bad that one can't take care of one's own food intake and "outtake". (Fortunately, for me the only significant permanent infirmities so far are partial deafness and some dental problems.) But life gets much more difficult for one's self and one's caretakers when one loses one's mind, even if the body is in fine fiddle.

[Bill Ryan]

More on this fascinating topic, and to bump the thread:


https://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2018/01/19/fasting-ketogenic.aspx

Burn Fat for Fuel


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QO7UG5Hxvk

Story at-a-glance


Low-fat, high-carb diets prevent healthy mitochondrial function, thereby contributing to chronic diseases such as obesity, Type 2 diabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer’s, cancer and more.
Studies suggest low-carb, high-fat diets — and eating less frequently — may be the answer to the obesity epidemic. The benefits of this type of diet is the primary focus of my book “Fat for Fuel,” and my complementary online course.
When your body is able to burn fat for fuel, your liver creates water-soluble fats called ketones that burn far more efficiently than carbs, thus creating far less damaging reactive oxygen species and secondary free radicals.
Multiday water fasting activates autophagy, allowing your body to clean itself out, and triggers the regeneration of stem cells. Having as little as 200 or 300 calories a day is enough to abort the autophagy process.
Fasting has been shown to trigger the regeneration of the pancreas in both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetics — a testament to the regenerative power unleashed in your body when fasting.

By Dr. Mercola

The notion that your body needs to regularly consume glucose for energy has become a deeply ingrained myth. As a result of this misguided advice, obesity, diabetes, heart disease and cancer prevalence have all spiked, burgeoning into national if not global epidemics. The truth is, most long term low-fat, high-carb diets prevent healthy mitochondrial function, thereby making a greater contribution to disease than most people are willing to even consider.

Dietary fats are actually the preferred fuel of human metabolism. In 2016, the British National Obesity Forum and the Public Health Collaboration issued a joint report on obesity based on the analysis of 43 studies, warning the policy to encourage people to eat a low-fat diet is having a “disastrous impact on health.” According to the authors, the current guidelines have been manipulated and corrupted for commercial gain by the food and beverage industries, and are based on flawed science.

Low-Carb, High-Fat Diet and Reducing Meal Frequency Can Solve Many Common Ailments

In conclusion, the report suggests a low-carb, high-fat diet — and eating less by cutting out between-meal snacks — may be the answer to the obesity epidemic. The benefits of this type of diet is the primary focus of my most recent book, “Fat for Fuel (http://www.fatforfuel.org/),” and my complementary online course, which guides you through seven engaging lessons to teach you how your body works at the molecular level, and how different foods affect your body.

Traditional weight loss advice suggests all you need to do is count calories, eat less and exercise more. Somewhat better recommendations specifically recommend cutting down on sugar. However, while many will initially lose weight doing this, it usually doesn’t take long to gain the weight back. Before you know it, you’re caught in a loop of yo-yo dieting. There’s a better way. A great many of the disease epidemics facing us today could be turned around by educating people about the benefits of:


A diet high in healthy fats, moderate in protein and low in net carbohydrates (total carbs minus fiber)
Intermittent fasting
Longer water fasting

It’s important to realize that calories are not created equal, and this is why counting calories doesn’t work for weight loss and health in the long run. The metabolic effects of calories differ depending on their source — a calorie from a Twinkie is not equivalent to a calorie from an avocado or a nut. That said, excessive snacking is a significant contributing factor to obesity, so, to lose weight and keep it off, you may need to reduce your meal frequency.

The Case for Fasting

I recommend limiting it to two meals per day (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/09/21/intermittent-fasting-calorie-restriction.aspx), either breakfast/lunch or lunch/dinner, within a six- to eight-hour window each day. This meal timing is a form of intermittent fasting, as by eating all your meals within a certain span of time each day, you end up fasting daily as well. Longer water fasts (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/10/16/complete-guide-fasting.aspx) also offer powerful health benefits, although you need to work your way into them.

One strategy I’ve found to be extremely helpful is to gradually increase the time of your daily intermittent fasting until you’re fasting 20 hours a day. After about a month of this, doing a four- or five-day long water fast will not be nearly as difficult, as you’re already used to not eating for extended periods.

I was skeptical about water fasting for a long time, but after learning more about the metabolic benefits of it, the relative safety and testing it out for myself, I’ve become convinced it’s a powerful tool that is vastly underutilized. The clarity of thinking alone, which occurs around Day Three or Four, makes it worth it.

That’s not the only benefit though. Importantly, water fasting activates autophagy, allowing your body to clean itself out, and triggers the regeneration of stem cells. Remarkably, whereas low-calorie dieting will cause morbidly obese people to develop skin folds that must be surgically removed after significant weight loss, this typically does not occur when you lose the weight by water fasting. Your body actually metabolizes the excess skin as you go along, because it’s in such efficient regeneration mode.

Even having as little as 200 or 300 calories a day is enough to abort the autophagy process, though, which is why I started doing complete water fasts. I now do a five-day water fast on a monthly basis, and since I was used to doing 20-hour daily intermittent fasting, I experienced no significant hunger at all. It was really pretty effortless right from the start.

If you’re severely overweight or have Type 2 diabetes, water fasting may be the answer you’ve been looking for. Recent research confirms that fasting can effectively reverse Type 2 diabetes in a relatively short amount of time. In this trial, Type 2 diabetics were placed on a severely restricted calorie diet where they ate just 600 calories a day for eight weeks.

By the end of their fast, all were disease-free and three months later, having returned to their regular diet, seven of the 11 participants were still disease-free. Fasting has also been shown to trigger the regeneration of the pancreas in both Type 1 and Type 2 diabetics — a testament to the regenerative power unleashed in your body when fasting.

Burning Fat for Fuel Improves Mitochondrial Function

Eating a diet low in net carbs and high in healthy fats and/or fasting will allow your body to burn fat rather than glucose as its primary fuel. This has the sought-after side effect of improving mitochondrial function, which is foundational for disease prevention and optimal health. The mitochondria within your cells are largely responsible for generating the energy (adenosine triphosphate or ATP) your body needs to stay alive and thrive.

They're also responsible for apoptosis (programmed cell death) and act as signaling molecules that help regulate genetic expression. When your mitochondria are damaged or dysfunctional, not only will your energy reserves decrease, resulting in fatigue and brain fog, but you also become vulnerable to degenerative diseases such as cancer, heart disease, diabetes and neurodegenerative decay.

Why Cycling In and Out of Nutritional Ketosis Is Recommended

The devil’s in the details, though, and an important yet rarely discussed facet of nutritional ketosis — which is when your body burns fat as its primary fuel instead of sugar — is feast-and-famine cycling. The reason for this has to do with the fact that long-term uninterrupted nutritional ketosis can trigger a rise in blood sugar by driving your insulin level too low.

This paradoxical situation can arise because the primary function of insulin is not to drive sugar into the cell, but to suppress the production of glucose by your liver (hepatic gluconeogenesis). If your blood sugar is high due to chronically and excessively low insulin, eating a piece of fruit or other sugar-containing food will actually lower your blood sugar rather than raise it. Your microbiome may also be compromised in the long term, as chronic low-carb diets will not optimally feed your gut flora.

All of this can be avoided by cycling in and out of nutritional ketosis, basically going through a one-day-per-week fast and one or two days a week of feasting, where you eat double or quadruple the amount of net carbs. Your body is designed to have the metabolic flexibility to use both glucose and fat for fuel. The problem is, when you eat a high-carb diet for a long period of time, your body ends up losing its ability to burn fat. The good news is, you can regain it by inverting the carb and fat ratios of your diet.

Fat Is Your Body’s Preferred Fuel

When your body is able to burn fat for fuel, your liver creates water-soluble fats called ketones that burn far more efficiently than carbs, thus creating far less damaging reactive oxygen species and secondary free radicals. This is why being an efficient fat burner is so important for optimal health. Ketones also improve glucose metabolism and lower inflammation.

Recent research suggests a ketogenic (high-fat, low-carb) diet may even be key for reducing brain inflammation (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/10/09/ketogenic-diet-anti-inflammatory-effects.aspx) following stroke and other brain trauma. Chronic inflammation is a hallmark of most chronic disease, including pain-related conditions such as arthritis. As noted in one study, ketogenic diets appear to be helpful for inflammation-associated pain by:


Generating fewer inflammatory reactive oxygen species
Lowering the excitability of neurons involved in pain signaling
Boosting signaling of the neuromodulator adenosine, which has pain-relieving effects

How to Implement a Ketogenic Diet

To implement a ketogenic diet, the first step is to eliminate packaged, processed foods. The emphasis is on real whole foods, plenty of healthy fats and, initially, as few net (nonfiber) carbs as possible. This typically involves dramatically reducing or temporarily eliminating all grains and any food high in sugar, particularly fructose, but also galactose (found in milk) and other sugars — both added and naturally-occurring.

As a general rule, you’ll want to reduce your net carbs to 20 to 50 grams a day or less, and restrict protein to 1 gram per kilogram of lean body mass. To make sure you’re actually meeting your nutritional requirements and maintaining the ideal nutrient ratios, use an online nutrient tracker such as www.cronometer.com/mercola (https://www.cronometer.com/mercola), which is one of the most accurate nutrient trackers available.

It’s also preset for nutritional ketosis, so based on the base parameters you enter, it will automatically calculate the ideal ratios of net carbs, protein and healthy fats required to put you into nutritional ketosis. This is what will allow your body to start burning fat as its primary fuel rather than sugar, which in turn will help optimize your mitochondrial function and overall health and fitness.

Beneficial Fats to Eat More Of

Another key to success is to eat high-quality healthy fats, NOT the fats most commonly found in the American diet (the processed fats and vegetable oils used in processed foods and fried restaurant meals). Just about any fat found naturally in food — whether animal- or plant-based — is in fact healthy for you. For example, saturated fat found in animal products and coconut oil:


Increases your large fluffy LDL particles, which are not associated with an increased risk of heart disease
Increases your HDL levels, which is associated with lower heart disease risk. This also compensates for any increase in LDL
Does not cause heart disease, as made clear in a large number of studies
Serves as a “clean-burning fuel” for your brain and mitochondria, producing far less damaging free radicals than sugars and nonfiber carbs

Examples of healthy fats to eat more of include:


Olives and olive oil (look for third party certification, as 80 percent of olive oils are adulterated with vegetable oils
Avoid cooking with olive oil; use it cold)
Butter made from raw grass fed organic milk
Avocados (http://www.mercola.com/infographics/avocado-uses-health-benefits.htm)
Ghee (clarified butter); lard and tallow (excellent for cooking)
Coconut oil (excellent for cooking as it can withstand higher temperatures without oxidizing)
Raw nuts such as macadamia (http://foodfacts.mercola.com/macadamia.html) and pecans (http://foodfacts.mercola.com/pecans.html)
Grass fed meats
Raw cacao butter
Animal-based omega-3 (https://articles.mercola.com/omega-3.aspx) fat from fatty fish low in mercury like wild caught Alaskan salmon, sardines, anchovies and/or krill oil
Seeds like black sesame, cumin, pumpkin and hemp seeds
MCT oil (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/08/22/mct-oil-health-benefits.aspx)
Organic, pastured egg.

Harmful Fats to Avoid

The harmful fats you need to steer clear of are all man-made. This includes trans fats, which are pro-oxidant, and all highly refined polyunsaturated vegetable oils (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/08/31/trans-fat-saturated-fat.aspx), which are high in damaged omega-6 and produce toxic oxidation products like cyclic aldehydes when heated. Vegetable oils promote oxidized cholesterol, which becomes destructive when entering your LDL particles.

Also, when consumed in large amounts, omega-6 polyunsaturated fats — and especially industrially processed ones — cannot be effectively burned for fuel. Instead, they’re incorporated into cellular and mitochondrial membranes where they become susceptible to oxidative damage, which ultimately damages your metabolism. These harmful fats have been shown to:


Contribute to heart disease
Promote gut inflammation
Disrupt arterial blood flow through your brain
Deplete your brain of antioxidants
Attack the cellular architecture of your nerves and impair brain development through mutagenic effects on DNA and altered epigenetic expression

Boost Your Health With Self-Paced Online Course

Current health statistics tell a discouraging story of repeated failure: Two-thirds of the American population is overweight or obese, 1 in 5 deaths are obesity-related, half have prediabetes, diabetes (http://www.mercola.com/diabetes.aspx) or other chronic illness, and 1 in 3 women and half of all men will develop some form of cancer in their lifetime. There’s an answer to all of these health trends, and it all starts with your diet.

If you or a loved one has been struggling with low energy, excess weight or a chronic or degenerative disease like Type 2 diabetes, Alzheimer’s or cancer — or if you simply want to optimize your health and longevity — consider enrolling in my online course on mitochondrial metabolic therapy (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/05/21/metabolic-mitochondrial-therapy-introduction.aspx) (MMT).

MMT is a whole new way of looking at nutrition, merging decades of my own research with the latest science on mitochondrial health, all of which have been peer-reviewed by more than two dozen experts, including physicians, researchers and scientists.

The MMT diet is a cyclical ketogenic diet (https://articles.mercola.com/ketogenic-diet.aspx), high in healthy fats and fiber, low in net carbs with a moderate amount of protein. Worksheets, additional reading, meal planning resources and recipes are all included. You’ll also learn a number of other nondiet related ways to boost your mitochondrial health, such as sensible sun exposure, exercise and grounding.

In short, this program will teach you everything you need to know to safely and effectively improve your mitochondrial function, thereby regaining your health and boosting your longevity.

If you’ve thought about making changes but lacked the confidence to take the plunge, or have made half-hearted attempts that quickly petered out, this course can set you on the right track, guiding you through the changes to your diet and lifestyle one step at a time, from any computer, tablet or smartphone. And, while a new lesson is released each week, you can go through the lessons at your own pace.

[marielle]

I started a ketogenic diet August 2017 (5 months ago) and it completely fixed my triglycerides and fasting blood sugar. A few weeks ago I was reading some info from people who recommend Zero Carbs--essentially an all animal-based diet and it piqued my interest. I am currently trying that and my intestinal tract is LOVING it. Do humans really need to consume fiber?? I don't think so anymore and I cringe when I think how I spent the last 25 years making green shakes every day! Anyway, my diet now is mostly limited to steak, eggs, butter, and heavy cream. I regularly make ice cream from heavy cream, raw eggs, and swerve (a zero carb sweetener) and chocolate. We'll see if it kills me but somehow I think I'll be fine.:bigsmile:

I was reading in another thread about how red meat lowers your "vibration". I guess I'll just have to take that chance...I was a vegan for most of 2009 and suffered greatly even though "The China Study" (a book about veganism) was my bible. The biggest issue I had during that year was repeated bouts of eczema. I'd never had that condition before and it disappeared when I added meat and eggs back into my diet.

I wish I could be vegan. All I can do now is say a silent prayer of gratitude before meals.

[Bill Ryan]

I started a ketogenic diet August 2017 (5 months ago) and it completely fixed my triglycerides and fasting blood sugar. A few weeks ago I was reading some info from people who recommend Zero Carbs--essentially an all animal-based diet and it piqued my interest. I am currently trying that and my intestinal tract is LOVING it. Do humans really need to consume fiber?? I don't think so anymore and I cringe when I think how I spent the last 25 years making green shakes every day! Anyway, my diet now is mostly limited to steak, eggs, butter, and heavy cream. I regularly make ice cream from heavy cream, raw eggs, and swerve (a zero carb sweetener) and chocolate. We'll see if it kills me but somehow I think I'll be fine.:bigsmile:

I was reading in another thread about how red meat lowers your "vibration". I guess I'll just have to take that chance...I was a vegan for most of 2009 and suffered greatly even though "The China Study" (a book about veganism) was my bible. The biggest issue I had during that year was repeated bouts of eczema. I'd never had that condition before and it disappeared when I added meat and eggs back into my diet.

I wish I could be vegan. All I can do now is say a silent prayer of gratitude before meals.

Wonderful. :star: Here's a MUST READ book (from 1976):


Not All In The Mind, by (https://www.amazon.com/Not-All-Mind-Richard-Mackarness/dp/0330313541)Richard Mackarness (https://www.amazon.com/Not-All-Mind-Richard-Mackarness/dp/0330313541)

(Alas, I've so far failed to find a digital version.)

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51wjBxxPQNL._SX320_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Dr Mackarness was a psychiatrist who discovered that a large percentage of patients who'd been institutionalized for psychiatrically diagnosed conditions such as schizophrenia reverted to being TOTALLY NORMAL — once it was discovered what common foods they were severely allergic to.

Everyone should now read that paragraph again. :)

In the book, he also reports how he changed his diet to one EXACTLY as marielle describes above... and all his ailments disappeared. This was years ahead of almost anyone else recommending the same kind of 'caveman' regime.

[anandacate]

I have been following Dr. Mercola's Metabolic Mitochondrial Therapy (MMT), which includes intermittent fasting, since last summer (June 2017). Am really enjoying the results so far; mainly changing my body composition from fat (lost 24 pounds) to muscle (still working on more muscles, but they are starting to show!), clarity of mind, more strength, more energy, and more stamina. Because I am well over 60, it took awhile for my system to convert from glucose to ketone burning. (BTW, I have been a raw fooder since 2003; however, not necessary for MMT.) The only testing I have done is test my urine with ketone strips.

I have the book "Fat for Fuel," which is useful if you really want to do this. Dr. Mercola emphasizes the necessity, over the long term, to cycle in and out of ketosis once you convert to burning ketones. He also emphasizes to keep protein intake at an adequate level, not excessive.

The first link gives an overview on the basics of Mercola's MMT program with a video interview of Dr. Mercola from May 21, 2017. Near the end of the article there is a section called "Getting Started" that has a link for the CRON-o-Meter, a free tool that I think is essential if you decide to do this.

1. Basic Introduction to Metabolic Mitochondrial Therapy
(https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/05/21/metabolic-mitochondrial-therapy-introduction.aspx)
The second link is from a woman who helped validate what I was going through during the "metabolic shift," which is a name for the process one goes through when switching from burning carbs (glucose) to burning fat (ketones). Also, I appreciated a woman's point of view about the ketogenic diet. Don't know if I will ever get my body to look like hers, though! (BTW, I will be 70 years old in less than a month.)

2. My Experience with Ketogenic Diet (https://zuzkalight.com/nutrition/my-experience-with-ketogenic-diet/)

[TargeT]

an all animal-based diet and it piqued my interest. I am currently trying that and my intestinal tract is LOVING it.

It could be what your current set of intestinal flora/fauna work best with. I noticed a DRAMATIC difference in my bowel functions after spending time in Iraq (eating local food etc..) it was very impactful to my overall health (and I was 24 at the time) and the change has been consistent ever since.

My theory is that I picked up a whole new set of "gut bugs", stronger... better,,, I can eat anything now; haha... anyway there's a pretty good thread here on "gut health (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43548-The-gut-of-most-disease...-NOT-what-you-think-&highlight=disease)" it's worth looking into along side your dietary studies.




I was reading in another thread about how red meat lowers your "vibration". I guess I'll just have to take that chance...I was a vegan for most of 2009 and suffered greatly even though "The China Study" (a book about veganism) was my bible. The biggest issue I had during that year was repeated bouts of eczema. I'd never had that condition before and it disappeared when I added meat and eggs back into my diet.

I wish I could be vegan. All I can do now is say a silent prayer of gratitude before meals.

There's a lot of weird emotional manipulation and cult-ish behavior floating around veganism. Postulations on how consuming different forms of life effects your "vibration" always seemed a bit ridiculous to me, denial of your darkside is probably more unhealthy.

[onawah]

Intermittent Fasting for Weight Loss | Natural Health Blog
Date: 09/20/2018 Written by: Hiyaguha Cohen© 1999-2018 The Baseline of Health Foundation
https://jonbarron.org/detoxing-full-body-detox/intermittent-fasting-health-and-weight-loss?utm_campaign=Daily%20Health%20Tips%2C%20Mon-Fri&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=66267893&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_87UHTlsULdXgZ4o4_6kIXwUf4bpoqx11QxAjuKsbSDZ4kOW_CWhzyXU7Xlg5LjYa_3htcrB29I-lm40A9RrBm5a-dvQ&_hsmi=66267893

"If you’re a regular reader, you know that Jon Barron has long advocated intermittent fasting for health and weight loss. His recommended protocol includes fasting one day a week on juice plus a superfood such as chlorella, spirulina, stabilized rice bran, or something equivalent. He also suggests a three-day juice and superfood fast once a month, plus a five-day juice/superfood fast twice a year as part of a bi-annual liver detox.

Those who follow Jon’s protocol get great results, but the idea of giving up a day of gluttony once a week may seem too difficult for some people. Fortunately for the fast-phobic, there’s a different type of intermittent fasting that seems to be a bit less daunting, and lately it’s been catching on like a California wildfire. The concept, known as the 16/8 diet, involves limiting food consumption to a narrow window of time each day, but during that time window anything goes.

Here’s how it works: You’re allowed to eat for eight hours a day. Outside of that, you can’t have anything except water or zero-calorie drinks. So, if you finish dinner by 6:00 pm, you essentially fast until 10 am the next morning, giving you 16 hours without food.

Liver Detox Package from Baseline Nutritionals
It sounds so simple, and yet preliminary research indicates that it works on many levels. Animal studies found that rats that were allowed to eat high-fat foods in unlimited quantities within a limited daily time period weighed less and had normal cholesterol and blood glucose levels, while rats allowed to eat whenever they wanted within 24-hour periods gained weight, developed high cholesterol and high blood glucose plus had impaired motor control.1

There’s only been one small human study to date, but the results were equally promising. Twenty-four obese subjects followed the 16:8 plan for 12 weeks. At the end, participants saw significant drops in blood pressure and weight. Strangely, there was also a control group that consisted of subjects who followed a different type of intermittent fasting routine (alternate day fasting), and those on the 16:8 plan lost more weight, consumed fewer calories, and reduced systolic blood pressure more than those fasting every other day. 2

Jon Barron explains some of the benefits of fasting in his book, Lessons from the Miracle Doctors. “First, when you deprive your body of food, your body begins to consume itself to survive. Being geared to self-survival, your body chooses to consume damaged cells and toxic cells first, saving the healthiest for later. It takes a tremendous amount of energy, and puts a tremendous strain on your body's organs, to process food. (Check your heart rate after eating a large meal and observe how exhausted you feel.) When you fast, your body diverts that energy to repair and rebuilding.”

Advocates of time-restricted eating point out that every time you eat, your liver releases insulin to keep blood sugar levels stable. If you confine eating to an eight-hour window, you’re releasing less insulin into the bloodstream, and that’s good because insulin build-up promotes fat storage and inflammation in the body. As research confirms, when insulin levels drop through fasting, insulin sensitivity increases, blood sugar levels normalize, and the body burns fat.3

Intermittent fasting helps you lose weight in three ways. First, unless you’re succumbing to gluttony during the eight-hour eating period, you’ll most likely end up eating fewer calories each day. But more importantly, because you will tend to use up all of your body’s available glucose during your fasting hours, you force your body to start burning fat for energy, which results in weight loss. And finally, as a result of moving your body into a fat burning state, your insulin levels will drop—since it’s no longer needed at the same levels—while at the same time, growth hormone and noradrenaline levels are increased, which yet again increases your body’s breakdown of fat for energy.

As just mentioned, studies show that intermittent fasting triggers the body to produce more Human Growth Hormone (HGH). HGH is key for strength, muscle development, immunity, resistance to disease, recovery from injury, weight loss, and optimized metabolism. Research also indicates that intermittent fasting can induce a type of cellular repair process called autolysis that helps the body “intelligently” rid itself of waste and toxins, and animal studies show that it might even extend lifespan. Other benefits include increased resistance to injury from cardiac events, heart-rate stabilization, and reduced oxidative damage.4

And finally, research indicates that intermittent fasting might be good for the brain as well. One study of fruit flies found that fasting blocked the synaptic activity of neurons.5 Since overactive synaptic activity is associated with Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s Disease, it’s possible that fasting has a protective effect on the brain. Meanwhile, rat studies out of Johns Hopkins found similar results, but in addition, concluded that the brain stimulates chemicals that promote cell growth, and, in fact, the brain creates new cells and becomes more resistant to plaque when stressed by fasting.6 According to study director Dr. Mark Mattson, neuroscience professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, "There's an increase in adaptive stress responses when people intermittently fast that is good for maintaining the brain…As is similar to what happens when muscles are exercised, the neurons in the brain benefit from being mildly stressed.”

If you decide to try the 16:8 diet, here are some things to keep in mind:

Experts suggest very young children shouldn’t fast as they need extra calories for growth. On the other hand, fasting has been shown to reduce seizures in epileptic kids. Also, diabetics and those with low blood sugar should check with their health practitioner before fasting.

You can choose any time window you prefer, as long as you restrict food intake to an eight-hour window each day. But do keep in mind that the later you eat, the more difficult weight loss will be for you, as studies show that once the body releases melatonin, which happens close to bedtime, calorie burning naturally slows down. Finishing dinner by six and then fasting until breakfast at 10 the next morning is ideal.

Some sources say it’s okay, or even good, to drink coffee or tea (without cream or sugar) during your fasting hours to help you combat hunger. Others claim that such beverages will trigger metabolic processes in your body, and so it’s better to simply drink water.7

For weight loss, the usual rules apply during eating hours. If you pig out during your eight-hour window, you’ll sabotage any benefits you might have gained during the fasting hours.

Experts say the average person loses seven to 10 pounds within 10 weeks of starting the intermittent fasting regimen.8

You probably won’t get that hungry. 16:8 fasting isn’t like fasting for an entire day, and drinking water (or coffee or tea) will most likely sustain you during your fasting hours. Staying busy helps so you don’t focus on what you’re missing. If you really can’t make it 16 hours without food, try going 15 or 14 hours at first, and work your way up. But keep in mind, you really do need to get up to around 16 hours of fasting a day for the benefits to kick in."

1. Burrell, Susie. “Eight-hour diet is key to weight loss, according to experts.” News.com.au. 6 September 2018. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/diet/eighthour-diet-is-the-key-to-weight-loss-according-to-experts/news-story/1391a5a5113e650b8ffd2cf0322c1b66
2. University of Chicago. “Daily fasting works for weight loss, finds study on 16:8 diet.” 18 June 2018. Science Daily. 6 September 2018. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180618113038.htm
3. Heilbronn, LK et al. “Alternate-day fasting in nonobese subjects: effects on body weight, body composition, and energy metabolism.” 8 January 2005. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 9 September 2018. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15640462
4. Mattson, MP and Wan, R. “Beneficial effects of intermittent fasting and caloric restriction on the cardiovascular and cerebrovascular systems.” 16 March 2005. Journal of Nutritional Biochemistry. 9 September 2018. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15741046
5. Lidicker, Gretchen. “New Research Shows How Intermittent Fasting is Like Decluttering for Your Brain.” 14 December 2016. Mindbodygreen. 7 September 2016. https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-28129/new-research-shows-how-intermittent-fasting-is-like-decluttering-for-your-brain.html
6. Anft, Michael. “Don’t Feed Your Head.” September 2012. Johns Hopkins Magazine. 9 September 2018. https://hub.jhu.edu/magazine/2012/summer/dont-feed-your-head/
7. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/health-fitness/body/11-things-nobody-tells-start-intermittent-fasting
8. Haney, Stephanie. “This is How Long It’ll Take for Intermittent Fasting to Work.” 5 September 2018. MSN Health & Fitness. 9 September 2018. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/diet/this-is-how-long-itll-take-for-intermittent-fasting-to-work/ss-BBMTPba?li=BBoPH6F#image=5

[TargeT]

found a good info-graphic for explanation of Ketosis

https://i.imgur.com/4KyfDi3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4KyfDi3.jpg

[TargeT]

My mom has been eating only eggs, bacon and steak for 3 years now & it has vastly improved her weight and energy levels..

I primarily eat meat with very few plant based items...

Hope this helps someone, it's an amazing story either way.

0ka9WBEijhk

[rgray222]

Interesting talk, it appears that Mikhaila Peterson is not anti-vegan or anti-vegetarian she was just desperate to find answers to her health issue.

Here is a little more info on her diet - The Lion Diet (https://www.doctorkiltz.com/lion-diet/)

The Lion Diet is a carnivorous diet that consists solely of ruminant meat (beef, lamb, goat, etc.), salt, and water. It’s the ultimate elimination diet. It eliminates all other dietary variables, and sustains your body’s nutritional needs, allowing you to thrive. How else do you scientifically and accurately test what foods are bugging you? You remove them all, start with one food that gives you everything you need, wait until your symptoms abate, and slowly reintroduce foods.

Thousands of people have followed this way of eating, reporting complete remissions of autoimmune, psychological and digestive illnesses, as well as significant improvements to cognitive, emotional and physical health.

[Metalaane]

Good thread. Carnivore and keto both. Carnivore is kind of a nuclear option for people with terrible autoimmune problems but it's completely viable and healthy if done right for just about anyone (there's always the exception in anything). I primarily do targeted keto of sorts. I combine it with One Meal A Day five days out of the week, and will throw in some carbs with my OMAD after a heavy workout to help promote more hypertrophy, but even if I "break" keto in that meal, I'm active enough to where I always end up back in ketosis by the end of the following day. I once did 30 days straight of carnivore, though, and felt great. With prices on food these days, that's kind of difficult to sustain now. But I'd say, if you have the money, carnivore can be fantastic for you.

Some would say that depression and general mood disorders are at least linked to autoimmune conditions. I definitely have better mental health when I'm fasting and eating keto as described above. Likewise, I have lifelong eczema patches in a few places and I never have flare ups this way. If I deviate too long, and too long is like...a mere three days...my mood starts diving into the gutter and the eczema starts to act up.

[Bill Ryan]

Do see these two major threads: :sun:


A major key to a long and healthy life: fasting or a ketogenic diet (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89036-A-major-key-to-a-long-and-healthy-life-fasting-or-a-ketogenic-diet)
Ketogenic Diet Beats Chemo For Almost All Cancers (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72429-Ketogenic-Diet-Beats-Chemo-For-Almost-All-Cancers)

[Blastolabs]

I've unconsciously been on the carnivore diet my whole life.

Something mentally has always repulsed me about fruits and most vegetables.

I have an extremely fast metabolism and a resting heart of 80, blood pressure was recently tested by a doctor at 119/78

I don't take any prescription medicines and normally go to the doctor, my recent visit was my first checkup in 10 years and everything looked good.

Doctor seemed shocked that I had not been sick anytime recently despite being unvaccinated.



Not sure why fruits gross me out but it is a mental barrier that is extremely strong and not something I can really overcome.

Sounds odd but I do eat about as "unhealthy" as possible and seem to be healthy despite my diet.

[Mari]

Cardiologist Robert Atkins had the ketogenic principal well and truly covered in the 1960's. He, of course was demonized by the interests he threatened, ably supported by the media. I went on this diet 20 years ago and very comfortably lost 3 stone in 4 months. I did miss my carbs though (bread pasta etc) and gradually crept back onto my old diet. But I have to say I felt great whilst on this diet and can quite happily adopt the carnivore method these days, and often do, when I feel my gut biome needs an overhaul....

[Le Chat]

I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

But I'm biased. Meat is murder IMO....

[guenonsbitch]

I swear the tech gods have been ****ing with me recently. Just last night my partner announced to me he's decided to try a carnivore diet and he thinks I should too to resolve some health stuff I've had for several years involving an accident. And then this is the first post I see when I open project Avalon!! However, I'm a strict ethical vegan that believes trauma is the root of most disease (German New Medicine.) Eating a slaughtered animal goes against everything in my being, I don't care how spectacular and gladiatorial it makes you feel. I choose compassion and ahimsa. If he continues on this path I do not think we can stay together as it's too different of paths. I don't argue that you can have health benefits from eating just meat, but what about the state of your spirit from consuming all the tortured animals?

[TargeT]

Morality often in reality is just preference.

Preference has little to do with health, the moral implications of diet are an entirely different topic.

There is no "one size fits all" solution here, everyone needs to pay attention to their own bodies and go with what works. This was not an attempt to slight plant eaters.

[gini]

I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

[TargeT]

I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of "murder" we are willing to accept.

[gini]

I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of murder you are willing to accept.
The question IS about health.is this diet possible with lower animal life forms or not? The only "moral" aspect is also practical;example ,i cannot kill a mammal (not only for moral reasons! i cant hunt and dont know how to slaughter),but i can hunt seafood and fish .I just want to know if that would work as well?

[TargeT]

I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of murder you are willing to accept.
The question IS about health.is this diet possible with lower animal life forms or not? The only "moral" aspect is also practical;example ,i cannot kill a mammal (not only for moral reasons! i cant hunt and dont know how to slaughter),but i can hunt seafood and fish .I just want to know if that would work as well?

Red meat proteins are highly (the highest from my research) bioavailable with every single thing you need (a "whole food" ) to survive... a Pescatarian diet needs iron sources, but plants (and the often ignored (shockingly so) phytotoxins) are often not the best for supplement.. every living thing has some sort of self defense, plants use phytotoxins (which some humans are sensitive too... which is why the plants produce them.. to stop from being eaten) and as such are not always the best for some people.. again this is so "custom" to you and your body type.. there is no one-solution-fits-all if yo uare phytotoxin tolerant you can easily live off plant biome, some people aren't and benefit greatly from a non plant diet.

life is a puzzle, we all have to find out how we best fit in with the entire cycle; ignoring the influence of predators is a lesson we have learned over and over.... and as the APEXpreditor we need to maybe look at this a bit more at times.

for example:

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Existence is wholistic... we cannot cut out a part of it and think it won't be detrimental, even if it is currently distasteful via our preferences.


edit: I grew up hunting since age 11, there are plenty of youtube videos out there to teach, but you'll have to adapt to the system instead of trying to force ideals on it... we have history as a lesson, and it's very clear in what it teaches us (hunter gather etc..)

[I am B]

I started some personal kind of keto/paleo diet two years ago.

Best decision EVER

I took grain and similar ways of production to be a recent invention on the evolutive scale (is it a scientifically correct claim? I don't know) , so I cut everything related to it. (bread, pasta, rice, beans, and obviously processed sweet thingies like cookies etc)
It makes you realise how heavy and health damaging many of those foods are, specially pasta.
I go mountain hike 15km every two days, and I am literally unable if I eat pasta or rice that day.

I try not to abuse meat, but I also take it when my body asks for it. Back "in the day" hunting birds or mammals was likely a daily thing to do, so why would I cut it. And then there is fish, which was a reliable way of feeding oneself too. On the other hand I don't think cutting on fruit or vegetables and going solo meat is a correct thing to do. Humans have fed from that since before history was history too, the same way they did from meat.

Also I get most of my food from natural sources/contacts. Including meat. I don't think this is something doable if its done only by buying whatever you're given on a supermarket, since the meat quality there is ages behind, soaked in chemicals and "bad vibes".

I haven't got sick since then. Went through covid questioning if it was real since I had a "super heavy load" but didn't have a single symptom whatsoever, unlike people around me.

Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.

I highly highly recomend going into a diet like that to anyone. And obviously to try to get natural and truly organic food too. It did change my life for the better and I hope It can do the same to you guys too.

[Mashika]

I am a sincerely wondering if a pure carnivore diet for health purposes cant be done with proteins of worms and insects (or seafood for that matter)or is it only feasable with strictly mammal-meat?

This ideology honestly baffles me, those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome, and quite frankly seem overly biased... when does one care about ending life.. Plants live, so do bugs (and sea food... like the least understood??).. is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

again, I think this is a discussion for a different thread, I'm much more focused on health,, not finding the level of "murder" we are willing to accept.

I was going to say that your ideology 'baffles' me as well. but actually it doesn't it is tremendously amusing

Please never change, it gives the rotten princes a lot of joy and laugh :bigsmile: :P



those lower life forms are so much more impactful to the entire biome

:facepalm::clapping::clapping::clapping:



is eating guinne pigs better because they are less intelligent than cows?

*Guinea pig

Who could tell, maybe if there is no guinea pigs or cows around people should just eat cake :dog::highfive:

Do you like to eat cake? :Angel::shielddeflect:

I'm just kidding but i honesty got a tremendous laugh at your take of "lower life forms". Don't you see the issue there? lmao

[Mashika]

My mom has been eating only eggs, bacon and steak for 3 years now & it has vastly improved her weight and energy levels..

I primarily eat meat with very few plant based items...

Hope this helps someone, it's an amazing story either way.

0ka9WBEijhk

Instead of bacon only, i have used bacon with chicken, it helped me a lot to not lose weight in tremendous ways, before that, i used to eat eggs and meat but my legs and in general i started to lose tons of weight until i looked terrible

But then i dropped the diet and started eating bacon and chicken, also fried chicken. Then i was eating normally but my body got back in track with a regular healthy look

[Mashika]

Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.


Hmmmm, check your blood sugar levels every now and then, Feeling warm like that should not be related to what you eat day by day?

I have diabetes, the childhood kind, when i eat or drink things and feel very warm or feel like an urgent need to get cold air or so, then i know i may have to go take a pill or do something about it, because for me that's a sign i am high on blood sugar. And that's no good

But i'm just saying :S

[I am B]

Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.


Hmmmm, check your blood sugar levels every now and then, Feeling warm like that should not be related to what you eat day by day?

I have diabetes, the childhood kind, when i eat or drink things and feel very warm or feel like an urgent need to get cold air or so, then i know i may have to go take a pill or do something about it, because for me that's a sign i am high on blood sugar. And that's no good

But i'm just saying :S

Thanks! Appreciate. I got told the same before ^^ but naye, i got the finger piercing testing thingie and sugar is on point, same with cholesterol. Only thing that increased a bit is blood pressure, but I'm super anxious lately because of life, so its probably that.

I'd like to crrect that Its not like I feel directly warmer, Its more about being less bothered by the cold. More resilient. When I was in Russia this winter It was so easy to see how it was related to food. (and good food, specially)

[ian33]

...i have northern hunter gatherer genetics, and after 50 years of experimenting with many diets including 16 years vegetarian, careful observation of effects brought me to paleo/autoimmune diet(trial and error)
...good luck to those who thrive on vegan diets, but i avoid those who cant help but demonise the great majority of people, omnivores...
..i am lucky to live where there is plenty pasture fed beef and lamb available, also fish from the sea and lakes...my house is surrounded by green pasture, with contented cattle, protected from predators that would exist in the wild(survival of the fittest)
...i sometimes wonder what vegans imagine would happen to all the ruminants in their perfect world, but really its none of my business what those good people believe...i wish good health to all, however they may achieve that

[Metalaane]

I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.

But I'm biased. Meat is murder IMO....

Anything's better than the Standard Western Diet, this is for sure. Plant based can be done in a healthy way. But, your doubts may be doubted if you knew the intricacies of this. Maybe it was mentioned in the video, not sure, because I already knew Mikhaila Peterson's story so I didn't watch -- but there's such things in plants known as anti-nutrients. See, every life form wants to live and reproduce. Animals, once they're on the plate, are done trying to defend themselves. They do it with teeth, claws, or just simply running away. Plants? Not so simple. They need more passive forms of defense. Caffeine is actually a defensive toxin of sorts objectively speaking -- and some people are negatively affected by that one in particular. Other people are negatively affected by a wide range of them; oxalates, tannins, phytates, and more (https://www.primalwellnessnutrition.com/post/the-complete-list-of-plant-anti-nutrients-and-toxins).

To be "fair", it may not be a very high percentage of people who are noticeably impacted by these things, but then there's nothing fair about this to the individuals who can't tolerate normal levels of these substances in plants; they find a solution that makes them happy and healthy and someone comes along and basically says they're complicit in murder. What gives? Or, there's even some people who can tolerate them, but they know they perform in life better without them. Fault them for their commitment to taking care of their temple of a body? I wouldn't. Granted, I know you only said a meager six words on the topic, but you're far from the first person to have this kind of rhetoric in these topics so I am somewhat rehearsed on what to say here. We'll both agree that factory cattle shouldn't exist. Believe me, swearing by animal nutrition is not even in the same ball park as condoning factory cattle practices. It's definitely inhumane. In an ideal world we would all be food independent where we grow and/or raise all of our food ourselves. Matter of fact, the one year I had a garden, the produce from it was the best I ever tasted. Might've been the healthiest produce I had, too. Conventional agriculture perpetually reuses the same top soil endlessly and the crops end up worse for it, becoming essentially malnourished and then in turn potentially malnourishing Humans whom consume it. Particularly, the Humans who have the sensitivities to the anti-nutrients; the ratio of their nutrients:anti-nutrients is weighted too far to the anti-nutrient side. Someone's backyard, though? Much more fertile. Damned thing about this is a plant can be labeled "non GMO" and "organic" (if we can take labels at face value anyways) in a grocery and still be nutritionally bereft because of that barren topsoil.

Am I less "woke" because I eat meat? (https://sustainabledish.com/am-i-less-woke-because-i-eat-meat/) I think this is a very good article on this subject. The author is a little strong with her words but she's a certified dietician at any rate so I don't think a bit of a snarky tone disqualifies any points.


...First, you need to make a field. Crop fields aren’t “natural”. When you fly over the United States and look down at all of the squares and circles down there, that’s not “nature,” that’s man. Lots of things had to die to make way for that perfect square of only one crop to be there.

Step two, once all trees are cut down and life is removed, it’s time to plow up the soil. This releases carbon and further kills lots of life living close to the surface. Small critters that had their dens underground are decapitated and chopped up...

[Bill Ryan]

I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.Just a comment here, based on what I think I know. (But I also know I absolutely don't know everything abut this!)

Optimum diet does seem to vary considerably from person to person. (And this might have to do with blood type, in itself not a simple subject.)

I've met vegans who are totally healthy and highly energetic (like yourself! :muscle: ), and others who are pale, weak and sickly and clearly have a nutritional imbalance — though they're stuck on their diet more as a belief or value-based system than anything else at all.

And the same with carnivores... some people can't do it (and/or don't want to, which is fully respected), but others genuinely cure themselves of all kinds of things with an all- or high-meat diet. That's absolutely a real thing... but maybe not for everyone.

:flower:

[Spiral]

I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.Just a comment here, based on what I think I know. (But I also know I absolutely don't know everything abut this!)

Optimum diet does seem to vary considerably from person to person. (And this might have to do with blood type, in itself not a simple subject.)

I've met vegans who are totally healthy and highly energetic (like yourself! :muscle: ), and others who are pale, weak and sickly and clearly have a nutritional imbalance — though they're stuck on their diet more as a belief or value-based system than anything else at all.

And the same with carnivores... some people can't do it (and/or don't want to, which is fully respected), but others genuinely cure themselves of all kinds of things with an all- or high-meat diet. That's absolutely a real thing... but maybe not for everyone.

:flower:

This is absolutely true, I've tried being vegetarian (and yes with all the fancy expensive stuff from whole food shops not just stopping eating meat) and I got weaker & weaker, and intestinal problems.

I look Norwegian, which seems like a probable reason to me, meat & fish is more abundant, & fruit & veg harder to grow the further north you go.

[Gemma13]

I inherited Gastroparesis - delayed gastric emptying. No matter how many times I've tried vegan I can't stomach it. Within minutes fermentation makes me look 9 months pregnant, especially with fruit. Meat diet is better suited, I'm afraid.

Always tricky on first dinner dates. By the time ya leave, bloke is looking at ya thinking, bloody hell, where'd that come from... we haven't even had sex yet. :unsure:
:happy dog:

[Strat]

I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.Just a comment here, based on what I think I know. (But I also know I absolutely don't know everything abut this!)

Optimum diet does seem to vary considerably from person to person. (And this might have to do with blood type, in itself not a simple subject.)

I've met vegans who are totally healthy and highly energetic (like yourself! :muscle: ), and others who are pale, weak and sickly and clearly have a nutritional imbalance — though they're stuck on their diet more as a belief or value-based system than anything else at all.

And the same with carnivores... some people can't do it (and/or don't want to, which is fully respected), but others genuinely cure themselves of all kinds of things with an all- or high-meat diet. That's absolutely a real thing... but maybe not for everyone.

:flower:

Agreed 100%. I believe it all comes down to genetic makeup. The book Dirty Genes is a great read and covers this.

It's why some people can handle gluten and some go to the hospital if they have a peanut butter sandwich. And some find themselves living in peak physical shape with a pescatarian diet whereas another's throat will swell if they eat a bite of salmon.

I think people should find what works best for their body first, then consider morals from there. If you become sick you can't help anybody or anything in this world. The more fit you are mentally and physically the better you can help the world and people around you.

[palehorse]

That's a trick one..

I know this person since my childhood, she was our doctor in the family (the one that can be trusted), today she is 83 years old and she plays tennis and swim regularly, she is in great shape for her age, she always told my family and me to eat alkaline food at full time, actually she was always giving talks about it, I would say she is almost a preacher about this issue. It has nothing to do with been a vegan, vegetarian or whatever terms they give for that.

Most meats are acidic, some very acidic others slightly acidic, it is all about balance to not pend to one side of the spectrum but keep it in neutral (middle path) would be ideal to keep all the time in my guess (I am not an expert in nutrition, but that is what I am doing for quite sometime now and I feel much better).

The thing is, I eat acidic food like meats and I eat neutral food like fats (including some dairies - and some diaries are acidic as well (trick)) and I eat lots of alkaline food like veggies, greens, fruits and I can tell you, I have a very descent health, I have nothing to complain about it, do 2 to 3 hours of exercises per day, sometime more than that.

Keep the balance is the golden rule for everything, do not stop eating your meats (I didn't), but eat more fruits, veggies, greens, etc.. (the organic ones not the GMO crap) It won't harm you and will give an amazing balance.

As Bill mentioned, blood type does play a rule on it, if anyone is serious enough about it, a full blood test would be required to create a "perfect" diet based on your blood type, but in general lines Alkaline food won't kill/harm anyone.

[AriG]

I actually have an autoimmune condition - Hashimoto's and borderline lupus. Completely inherited from my mother. It got so bad that I suffered a bout of Hashimoto's Encephalopathy a few years back.

I am also a "foodie" - love to cook and explore new things. This has been greatly affected by my situation. Prior to marrying my current husband, I was a pescetarian and ate only shellfish and fish, veg, etc. Very rarely ate bread or dairy. This was an ethical choice for me at the time. Enter new relationship, a proper English Meat and potatoes (and bread) guy, add sugar, probably way too much wine, tons of fresh baked bread, proper British puddings, a couple of hormone changing miscarriages and perimenopause and the death of my brother in law which was traumatic in nature, and voila! My autoimmune genes are triggered. I am of Scotch-Irish descent (and a bit of German) with A negative blood type.

What I have learned:

1. Inflammation is the trigger in most autoimmune genes being activated.
2. Experts will claim that everything but alkaline water is inflammatory.
3. Balance is critical- supplementation is necessary.
4. Gluten is your ENEMY. Absolutely. Especially with hypothyroid autoimmunity. Through the process of molecular mimicry, the immune system cannot tell the difference between gluten and the thyroid,
so when gluten is consumed, your immune system creates a celiac like response in the gut. I do miss bread and just today, tried the Keto Protein egg bread recipe. YUCK. Like eggy tasting memory
foam. But there is no baguette in the world worth the damage that gluten causes to one's overall health.
5. Grass fed beef, fish, shellfish, lean pork and egg yolks are fantastic as a base to the diet. However, imo, in the long haul (beyond elimination diets), one needs fruit and vegetables to ensure that you are
getting all of the micronutrients that the body requires.

When I finally decided that I had to give up gluten, I weighed 158 pounds. Today I weigh 132 pounds. Just by giving up gluten. The weight gain was mostly inflammation.

Eating animals is truly a moral dilemma, especially for those of us who are aware. That said, our bodies require high quality protein. And you cannot have your adventure here without your body.

[CurEus]

I've had a plant-based diet for over 35 years, walk 10 miles a day as well as cycle 10 miles a day. And I'm 70 next year.

I have serious doubts of anyone who claims they need to eat meat.Just a comment here, based on what I think I know. (But I also know I absolutely don't know everything abut this!)

Optimum diet does seem to vary considerably from person to person. (And this might have to do with blood type, in itself not a simple subject.)

I've met vegans who are totally healthy and highly energetic (like yourself! :muscle: ), and others who are pale, weak and sickly and clearly have a nutritional imbalance — though they're stuck on their diet more as a belief or value-based system than anything else at all.

And the same with carnivores... some people can't do it (and/or don't want to, which is fully respected), but others genuinely cure themselves of all kinds of things with an all- or high-meat diet. That's absolutely a real thing... but maybe not for everyone.

:flower:

I tend to share your observations. I know people who essentially thrive living like hummingbirds...which would very likely kill me, yet they seem, even through through testing, to be in the peak of health. What I do find disturbing is the "cult-like" mentality of "adherents" to dietary extremisms. What once was "novel" becomes cult-like and dogmatic...

I function best at about 90% ruminant-carnivore, it alleviates autoimmune issues as well as acne, bloating, and a host of other issues that I could not resolve in any other way BUT if I were to become seriously ill I would consider a juice fast or even a complete fast for a time.

At it's core the carnivore diet is an extreme elimination diet which in and of itself removes virtually all processed and refined foods, additives and adulterants. THAT alone would very likely produce great benefits to anyone consuming the SAD ( Standard American Diet) and I tend to expect that may hold true for someone doing the same with a select vegan diet...

The blood-type diet was popularized by the book "Eat Right for Your Blood Type" and not very well received from the medical or nutritional communities but many people found it resonated well and produced very good results.

We do know that many of us "can" eat exclusively carnivore for extended periods of time and one concern like scurvy seems to be a "non issue" as Vit C needs drop precipitously in this WoE ) Way of Eating) so the premise that humans don;t produce vit C becuase we had an abundance of fruit may be better stated that we didn't eat any and just gorged on meat and fats and organs.

As a caveat I do know several vegans that became extremely ill and malnourished, they lost mental focus and clarity which reinforced their adherence to the "cult of veganism"....I say this because it is well known that cult indoctrination begins by removing meat protein reinforced with an incessant bombardment of programming.

I do note though, that as people age many lose interest in large amounts of red meat, especially women.

Many of us can observe the odd push for the elimination of meat with a huge global campaign to switch to vegan meatless options or suspect protein from insects. Becuase "carbon" "climate change" "cow farts" "water" ......very slick, compelling and well designed. THAT makes it highly suspect and doubly so as Bill Gates has bought so many farms he is the largest "farmer" in N. America. AND the largest investor in "pseudo" lab meat companies...

The rise in popularity of a food replacement called " Soylent" intrigued me, the ingredients floored me. It is literally toxic to humans!

In a nutshell humans can eat almost "anything" ( for a time) we're more like opportunistic scavengers more akin to rats than apex predators like lions BUT when we get together we will tend to hunt we consume as much meat and fish as possible AND as many sugars as we can find. Honey is not easy to acquire and neither are fruits and berries without risk in acquiring them. and almost ALL mammals like fermented fruit alcohols.....and every culture has it's alcohol and fav carbs be it breads or tubers...

There does not seem to me to be a one size fits all approach to diet and nutrition and I find it disheartening when people become intractable in their position of what is "best" or "most ethical" but vegans seem to be their own worst enemy at times...their over proselytizing has turned off so many people they are now being vilified.

Yet there may be an unintended compromise, there is a rise in an infection that makes it impossible for people to eat meat without becoming extremely ill. galactose-alpha-1, 3-galactose. is from the Lone Star tick and produce a meat allergy.....now who came up with THAT!?

[bettye198]

It has always been my understanding that high protein diets i.e. meat tax the kidneys. If one indulges in paleo, hopefully kidneys are being monitored and supported. There is also a timing I have discovered when meat no longer is craved or tasty anymore and that is the body asking for plant based. I have tried Dr. Morse's fruit only diet regime and got a whopping 6 lbs off and starved for substantial food. However, I see his point. Fruit is processed easily and does not need insulin to get into the cell. There are a lot of reasons to clear the body of toxins with fruit and veggies especially greens. Now we have vegan mama's and papa's giving fabulous vegan meals on youtube that seem filling. Maybe we should classify some of us as part vegan, part fruitarian, part carnivore. As we age we have to discern intuitively what is right for our body. I have seen blood type O's handle all types of meat better than blood type B's. It is something interesting for sure.

[Journeyman]

Overall I also feel way way warmer, most of friends and family wonder and joke about why I am never cold but I truly feel it way less than I did.


Hmmmm, check your blood sugar levels every now and then, Feeling warm like that should not be related to what you eat day by day?

I have diabetes, the childhood kind, when i eat or drink things and feel very warm or feel like an urgent need to get cold air or so, then i know i may have to go take a pill or do something about it, because for me that's a sign i am high on blood sugar. And that's no good

But i'm just saying :S

Thanks! Appreciate. I got told the same before ^^ but naye, i got the finger piercing testing thingie and sugar is on point, same with cholesterol. Only thing that increased a bit is blood pressure, but I'm super anxious lately because of life, so its probably that.

I'd like to crrect that Its not like I feel directly warmer, Its more about being less bothered by the cold. More resilient. When I was in Russia this winter It was so easy to see how it was related to food. (and good food, specially)

For years I had to wear two pairs of socks from Autumn onwards, was rarely without a pair of gloves and would even wear socks to bed. When I changed my diet and strictly removed gluten many things changed for the better in my health. One of them which took me a little time to notice was that I was no longer doubling up on socks or reaching for gloves. It took me a little time to tie it back to the diet change, but by then I was a lot more aware of just how fundamental the connection is between what we eat and how we feel because the crippling depression I'd experienced had also lifted once my immune system was no longer attacking itself via the gluten reaction.

[Bill Ryan]

I've copied this interesting post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting&p=1575629&viewfull=1#post1575629) over from the Water Fasting (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread, because discussing keto protocols was a little off-topic there, and I found myself really interested in Miller (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?1866-Miller)'s reported experience.

My question to her: if you were on a keto (presumably high-protein) diet, how come your biceps shrank in size even when you were exercising??




Personally I start intermittent fasting 2 weeks before then one meal a day the week before and then. I fast, but dont fast more than 48 hours because of muscle loss (sarcopenia) because of age and I dont eat meat. Tbh I find it difficult to eat the recommended amount of protein (just too much) but, like Bill, I listen to my body. Just a thinking-aloud post here: I too am wary of possible muscle loss when on a medium-length water-fast, so I'm always mindful of the issue. (But, listening to my body, it always seems to tell me clearly when enough fasting is enough!)

I found myself wondering if whey protein might be an acceptable solution for you when managing the potential muscle-loss problem. Boosting yourself with whey protein for a week or two before a water fast (that is, assuming you're not a strict vegan!) might well deal with the issue and enable you to fast for longer — if you want to. :flower:

Thank you Bill. I'm not vegan (I eat salmon, eggs and cheese) but not keen on whey protein although I've tried pea protein in smoothies. Since my early 20s I've remained fairly athletic but my attempts at keto during lockdown reduced my biceps practically to walnuts when they used to be like :muscle: :0. When I spoke to the doctor, he suggested I use lighter weights and do more reps (which contradicted what I understood about lifting weights), but what did help was doing them much slower.

As I grew older I thought (mistakenly) that if I kept doing what I was doing everything would stay the same, but of course it doesn't, and aging brings a set of - shall we say "challenges" - which continue to test. What I'm aiming for is not to live forever, but to live well and not be a burden to my children, hence an interest in fasting and autophagy.

Apologies for sliding a little off topic, and thank you again for your welcome and kind thought Bill. Much appreciated :heart:

[grapevine]

Hi Bill

Keto didn’t work for me because I didn’t eat enough protein or fat, although I tried really hard to make it work. 225g of protein is a lot to eat in one day when you don’t eat meat.

An egg has about 8g, so 3 has 24g, which is breakfast sorted and with a smoothie with a scoop of pea protein (8g) is 32g

A pre-cut portion of salmon has 25g of protein and with salad or spinach is lunch sorted

225g – 57g = 168g, which is a helluva lot of lentils for dinner!

The foods listed above sound quite meagre but I haven’t included (for instance) broccoli soup with lots of cream and cheese, but even then not enough protein. And not enough fat either, although I would have cream in my coffee, but not butter (yuk!) like some people on keto.

Re the exercise, I’ve always been fairly active and didn’t alter my routines much, except instead of lifting reps of 15, 12 and 8 three times, I did the full 3 sets for each body part before moving on to the next. This may have had some bearing on the muscle loss as well.

I was only on keto for about 6 weeks but the effects lasted longer. As already mentioned, Dr Eric Berg on YT advocates Healthy Keto with lots of vegetables and salads but excludes grains (wheat, bread, pies, etc), starches (potatoes), sugar and seed oils, but he does get his main protein from meat, and fatty meat at that.

My view, based on my own experience and lifestyle, is don’t do keto if you don’t eat meat.

I now lead a more sedentary lifestyle than I used to, but still lift weights 2-3 times a week, walk about 5 miles a day and incorporate a few yoga / pilates moves for flexibility and eat lots of fruit and vegetables and the same amount of protein. My muscles have recovered well, although they’re not as they used to be, but C’est la vie. It also shows that there must be SOME protein in vegetables after all.

So what do you eat (typically) in a day Bill and is it working for you?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill

Keto didn’t work for me because I didn’t eat enough protein or fat, although I tried really hard to make it work. 225g of protein is a lot to eat in one day when you don’t eat meat.

Thanks for the long and interesting post! But where do you get 225g from? That seems like way too much protein, an almost impossible amount if one's not eating large steaks and whole chickens. :)

I know relatively little in detail about keto diets, but I found this article:


How much protein can you eat in ketosis?
https://dietdoctor.com/how-much-protein-can-you-eat-in-ketosis

As I always maintain (and I know you agree! :flower:), I carefully listen to my body and never force anything. I've occasionally used a protein-and-fat only keto diet for about a week or so just to lose a little weight if I've not been very active (it works easily and perfectly), and I just stop eating when I feel full and don't keep looking at the fridge. :P I've never calculated grams of protein, weighed portions, or anything like that. Not ever!

[grapevine]

Not sure exactly where I got the figure of 225 from but never managed to get anywhere near it. I cut right back on the carbs and vegetables, and think that was a big mistake. I listened to my body before keto, and ignored it when I tried keto, but I'm listening again now, and am mostly back on an even keel.

Interesting snippet about Arnold Schwarzenegger's 250g protein intake now that he's adopted a vegan diet:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12190853/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-reveals-protein-sources-Hollywood-star-80-vegan.html

[Bill Ryan]

Not sure exactly where I got the figure of 225 from but never managed to get anywhere near it. I cut right back on the carbs and vegetables, and think that was a big mistake. I listened to my body before keto, and ignored it when I tried keto, but I'm listening again now, and am mostly back on an even keel.

Well, good!! :stars: And kudos to you for figuring it out. We always have to remember that each of us is unique in so many aspects, and we can't always just go blindly copying what works well for someone else.


Re the exercise, I’ve always been fairly active and didn’t alter my routines much, except instead of lifting reps of 15, 12 and 8 three times, I did the full 3 sets for each body part before moving on to the next. This may have had some bearing on the muscle loss as well.
[ ... ]
I now lead a more sedentary lifestyle than I used to, but still lift weights 2-3 times a week, walk about 5 miles a day and incorporate a few yoga / pilates moves for flexibility and eat lots of fruit and vegetables and the same amount of protein.I have to say that's super-impressive (and would be for any of us!) considering that few readers here are still just 21. :)

Your regime makes me feel very lazy! :P I've never lifted weights (or even done pilates), and merely hike in the mountains maybe 2-3 times a week. I can still do a 7 minute plank (which I confess I'm quite pleased with), but that's merely because hiking up and down hills with a backpack, even a light one, strengthens everything in the core and seems to keep it that way.

Re my own diet, I eat quite a lot of protein, including lots of nuts and cheese, but also gallons of rich veggie soup (I have a huge pot lasting days which is always right there on the stove), and large amounts of papaya, which is everywhere here. (Other fruit is all around, but papaya is my fav.) And I rarely if ever eat wheat... which I feel increasingly sure is a major health-influencing factor that many are quite unaware of.

[Sirus]

Aldis yoghurt - 25g protein per small pot
Muscle Moose protein powder- 50g protein for 2 scoops

It's really not that difficult to get 225g in, although there is an adjustment phase for the first few days. Strength training also fires up the metabolism and also helps to synthesise the protein better.

[Bill Ryan]

I know relatively little in detail about keto diets
[ ... ]
I carefully listen to my body and never force anything. Well, here's a small tale that I tell against myself. :worried::)

Inspired by re-reading this thread, I went on an experimental keto diet for a few days — and am still on it. But the moral of this story is that a couple of days ago I really didn't know what I was doing.

All seemed fine, and the day before yesterday I went on quite a long mountain hike, not an easy one at all. I was feeling great, with lots of energy — until the very last section, which after 3 non-stop hours was a final steep strenuous climb up out of a valley.

I suddenly felt extremely lightheaded, a new experience for me in the mountains. For a moment I thought I might actually pass out. I stopped immediately, sat down, and just rested for a few minutes. It wasn't a glucose issue, as my legs felt strong. I didn't know what to make of it, but I slowly continued the climb to finish the hike, and all was well.

And then I realized that I was totally dehydrated. (Of course! :facepalm:) I spent the journey home in my vehicle drinking from my water bottle — which I had NOT taken with me. (I had a small bottle of cold black coffee, which is almost always fine for me even on a long hike. I do carry some iodine drops, so I could always replenish it with water from a stream if needed. But the issue was that at no point had I felt thirsty.)

The lesson for me was that on a keto diet one clearly has to keep oneself well-hydrated. When water fasting (which I know a lot about), this all takes care of itself. But here I'd got it all wrong, and my body had NOT told me that it needed water until I got to an extreme state. I do know that this combo of circumstances is unusual, and maybe others are unlikely to find themselves in the same kind of situation! But I thought it might be rather interesting to report the experience.

:flower:

[grapevine]

Hope you've recovered well Bill. As a matter of interest, how long did it take to recover fully after you ?

Here's a new and fairly short 14:28 minute video from Prof David Sinclair who is a proponent of longevity and follows a vegan diet. He's 54 years old.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUP0rSIu2TI&ab_channel=HealthyLongLife

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/rewinding-clock
and an interesting article from Harvard University citing David Sinclair's work

A quick look on google shows that the way to increase NAD levels naturally is to eat raw foods that contain vitamin B, like avocados, steamed fish, and peanuts, which should be part of your daily diet. You can also boost NAD+ levels by drinking two to three glasses of cow's milk every day.

[Bill Ryan]

Hope you've recovered well Bill. As a matter of interest, how long did it take to recover fully after your dehydration experience?
Thx, I recovered pretty fast. I drank a lot of water when I got back to my vehicle (but gradually, not all at once), and then on the way home I picked up a big fresh coconut for the electrolytes in the coconut water.

The next morning I had a large cheese and veggie omelet for breakfast, prehydrated with a liter of water, and went on a gentler short hike with Mara (my dog) for an hour and a half. (She'd had to stay at home the previous day, but she'd REALLY wanted to come. :heart:) I repeated the large coconut for the electrolytes. By then, I felt really fine.

~~~

Thanks for the video! It was valuable and interesting. I do quite a lot of what Sinclair does, including no wheat, little or no sugar, and no alcohol (zero, never). I only use milk in coffee, but I do drink kefir and yogurt, which he didn't mention, and also cheese.

I don't look quite as young as him, but then I'm a little older! And I'm happy that I'm still regularly doing more in the mountains than most probably could half my age. So — so far so good, and my mountain fitness is really my personal measure. :fingers crossed:

[Bill Ryan]

An update about my keto diet, which might be interesting for some. I've been on it for 3 weeks now (the longest I've ever done this), I never feel hungry, and I've been hiking in the high mountains every few days with plenty of energy all the time. In short, I feel great. :) It's all been very easy.

I posted above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89036-A-major-key-to-a-long-and-healthy-life-fasting-or-a-ketogenic-diet&p=1576604&viewfull=1#post1576604) about a small mountain experience which took me by surprise (I suddenly felt very light-headed, and had to sit down), and I realized soon after that I was simply badly dehydrated. When I'm noticing is that I'm not often feeling thirsty, and so I have to discipline myself to drink water regularly, always a little more than I seem to feel I need.

I was never overweight, but looking in the mirror I really am getting quite lean! Happily, though, I'm not losing any strength or energy at all. I started to read online about how one STOPS losing weight on keto, and the simple answer seems to be merely to increase one's intake of protein and fat.

I vary my protein intake quite a lot, making sure to include cheese, milk, eggs, nuts, fish, and so on. I also make sure that I occasionally eat non-starchy veggies like onions, carrots, spinach, celery, and avocados. Visiting a friend for lunch last week, I had some pasta and then some cake(!), but it seemed to make no difference at all. Increasing the protein and fat, if I need to, feels like it should be not too hard.

I have no idea how long I'll continue this! Three weeks and counting is is far longer than I'd originally thought or intended. I keep on waiting for my body to insist on a bunch of large salads for a change, but so far all it REALLY insists on every few days is celery — always happy to oblige, and not a problem at all. :)

[Bill Ryan]

A further update, with an added question for anyone who knows more about this than I do.

This is now Day 57 of my keto diet. It's proved so easy and hassle-free (and also surprisingly inexpensive!) that I've just been continuing it as a simple routine, punctuated with large mixed salads every two or three days. I've felt zero ill-effects, I'm never hungry, my mountain hiking energy has been fine, and I'm the same weight now as I was 20 or even 30 years ago.

But yesterday I started to sense a vague nagging worry, which was purely intuitive. So I tested my cholesterol at a local lab, very cheap to do here. It was hugely high. :facepalm:

My levels were:


Total cholesterol: 291
LDL: 213
HDL: 38.4
Triglycerides: 199

That's all way out of medically-agreed 'normal' range. :worried:

I'm not at all convinced that high cholesterol must be a terribly dangerous thing, but it did raise a flag for me that I should try to understand all this better. What I'm thinking now is that I'm going to bridge over to mostly large mixed salads (with olive oil, sesame oil and avocado oil), with fish and eggs but less cheese and full cream raw milk. (A shame, because that's just so delicious! :))

Is there any advice from readers who may have experienced any of this for themselves??

[grapevine]

💚 KETO Increased Your Cholesterol?? (Here’s why It's OK) 💚

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QwD4xoSmRg&ab_channel=KenDBerryMD (14.12 minutes)

I hope this video by an MD will allay your fears somewhat Bill, but at the end of the day it's all just "information" and we get to decide what's best followed or avoided.

The doctor in this video said that it's the ratio between waist measurement and height that indicates a higher risk of health problems.
:muscle:

[onawah]

Dr. Mercola advises against using a lot of seed oils (and they can be hidden in ways you might not expect, such as in meat).
Most of his articles are behind a paywall now, but they can still be found in pdf form:
https://oh17.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/vegetable-oil-linoleic-acid-Mercola.pdf

And here is the info in a nutshell:
"STORY AT-A-GLANCE
There's an even worse offender than sugar for your immune system and overall health: industrially processed seed oils, often referred to as "vegetable oils"
At the root of the harmful biochemical reactions triggered by seed oils is linoleic acid, the primary fatty acid found in polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs)
The dramatic increase in seed oil intake in recent decades is a key culprit behind the soaring rates of heart disease, cancer, age-related macular degeneration, diabetes, obesity and dementia
Unsaturated fat intake is associated with increased mortality from COVID-19, while saturated fat intake lowers your risk of death
Linoleic acid is found in most processed foods, including sauces and salad dressings, along with "healthy" foods like chicken, pork and olive oil
What you eat plays a significant role in how well your immune system functions. As a result, you can actively support your body's ability to ward off acute and chronic conditions with each food you put into your mouth. However, depending on your food choices, you can also hinder it.

What's the worst ingredient for your immune system? If you guessed sugar, nice try, but there's an even worse offender that's just as prevalent but not as widely recognized for its pernicious influence on health: industrially processed seed oils, often referred to as "vegetable oils."

At the root of the harmful biochemical reactions triggered by seed oils is linoleic acid, which is an 18-carbon omega-6 fat. Linoleic acid is the primary fatty acid found in polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) and accounts for about 80% of the fatty acid composition of vegetable oils. Omega-6 fats must be balanced with omega-3 fats in order to not be harmful, but this isn't the case for most Americans.

Why Seed Oils Are Even Worse Than Sugar
An immunologist with CNBC News recently named sugar the "worst food ingredient for your immune system,"1 in large part because consuming too much of it can contribute to insulin resistance and obesity, which increases inflammation in your body and causes damage to blood vessels.

While your immune system is busy tending to these areas, CNBC notes, "This creates a major distraction for the immune system and paves the way for dangerous bacteria and viruses to slip through our body's defenses."2 In fact, it's been known since at least the 1970s that sugar weakens the immune system (while fasting strengthens it),3 and I recommend limiting added sugars to a maximum of 25 grams per day or 15 grams a day if you're insulin resistant or diabetic.

But most health "experts" simply do not understand that seed oils are even worse than sugar. These fats become embedded in your cell membranes and stay there for about seven years, wreaking havoc on your health.

Not only are most of the omega-6s you eat, including seed oils, damaged and oxidized through processing, but even if they are unheated and pristine when consumed in any but small amounts, your body degrades them into free radicals that damage virtually every tissue in your body.

"Most of this linoleic acid, when it oxidizes, it develops lipid hydroperoxides and then these rapidly degenerate into … oxidized linoleic acid metabolites," says Dr. Chris Knobbe, an ophthalmologist and the founder and president of the Cure AMD Foundation.4

OXLAMs (oxidized linoleic acid metabolites) create a perfect storm, as they are cytotoxic, genotoxic, mutagenic, carcinogenic, atherogenic and thrombogenic, according to Knobbe. Their atherosclerosis and thrombogenic actions are especially concerning because they can produce strokes and clots, however metabolic dysfunction can also occur.

During the lipid peroxidation cascade caused by the excess consumption of omega-6 seed oils, PUFAs accumulate in your cell membranes, leading to a peroxidation reaction. Because there are so many reactive oxygen species it leads to the development of insulin resistance at the cellular level. OXLAMs are also toxic to the liver and are associated with inflammation, fibrosis and fatty liver disease in humans.5

Dr. Paul Saladino, a physician journalist, also explained in a podcast that linoleic acid "breaks the sensitivity for insulin at the level of your fat cells,"6 essentially making them more insulin sensitive — and, since your fat cells control the insulin sensitivity of the rest of your body by releasing free fatty acids, you end up with insulin resistance.

Linoleic Acid Drives Chronic Diseases, Worsens COVID-19
There's virtually nothing more destructive to your body than seed oils in producing heart disease, cancer, age-related macular degeneration, diabetes, obesity and dementia.7 When I interviewed Tucker Goodrich, who developed an IT risk management system used by two of the largest hedge funds in the world, then transitioned into medical research, he explained that animals typically develop cancer once the linoleic acid in their diet reaches 4% to 10% of their energy intake.

Yet, most Americans get approximately 8% of their calories from seed oils. "So, we're way over what these thresholds in the lab would suggest is a safe level of these fats based on the laboratory work in animals," Goodrich said, adding:

"We've got this huge disconnect between what the lab science tells us we should be doing and what our dietary guidelines tell us we should be doing. The scientists are saying, 'Oh, look, it's poison. It causes all the chronic diseases,' and the government's saying, 'Eat lots of it.' That's not a good thing."

Data also indicate that COVID-19 mortality rates are heavily influenced by the amount of unsaturated fats you eat. Simply put, unsaturated fat intake is associated with increased mortality from COVID-19, while saturated fat intake lowers your risk of death.8 The authors noted that unsaturated fats "cause injury [and] organ failure resembling COVID-19."

More specifically, unsaturated fats are known to trigger lipotoxic acute pancreatitis, and the sepsis and multisystem organ failure seen in severe cases of COVID-19 greatly resembles this condition. In short, linoleic acid contributes to the inflammatory domino effect that eventually kills some people with COVID-19. Goodrich explained:

"I did an enormous post on this, looking at the effects of LA [linoleic acid] in SARS COV-2 and SARS in general. SARS is a severe acute respiratory syndrome. SARS kills you by giving you acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS).

ARDS can be caused by lots of different things, not just these viruses. You can get it from influenza. You can get it from inhaling acid into your lungs. What's fascinating is the human literature is quite clear that you can induce ARDS through feeding seed oils.

Very sick people who can't eat are fed intravenously. It's called total parenteral nutrition (TPN). Generally, this is used through a product called Intralipid, which is made out of soybean oil and sugar. When you start to understand all this stuff, it's just mind boggling. Doctors did an experiment after they noticed that a lot of their patients who came into the ICU and got TPN then subsequently got ARDS.

So, they started playing with what they were feeding them, and what they discovered was this soybean oil formula increased the patient's rate of getting ARDS. The fatality rate from ARDS is 30% to 60%. Feeding seed oils increased the rate of ARDS by seven times."

It's Hidden in 'Healthy' Foods, Like Chicken and Olive Oil
Another reason why linoleic acid is so harmful is because it's found in virtually every processed food, including restaurant foods, sauces and salad dressings. Many processed foods high in sugar also contain seed oils, which is why eliminating them from your diet is essential for improving and maintaining your health.

However, even if you cut out processed foods and skip sauces and salad dressings when you eat out, you may still be consuming too much seed oil because it's hidden in "healthy" foods like chicken and pork. The problem is that these animals are fed grains that are high in linoleic acid,9 which makes the meat a major source as well. So if you're eating chicken and pork, believing it to be good for you, you're being misled.

Olive oil is another health food that's a hidden source of linoleic acid; however, there are caveats. As Goodrich explained, the linoleic acid content of olive oil can vary significantly. "The percentages that I've seen quoted in literature range from 2%, which is awesome, to 22%, which is not good," he said.

Olive oil also has the benefit of containing beneficial oleic acid, which is protective against both cardiolipin oxidation and LDL oxidation. Cardiolipin is a type of fat located in your mitochondria, and oxidation of cardiolipin is one of the things that controls autophagy.

By altering the composition of cardiolipin in your mitochondria to one that's richer in omega-6 fats, you make it far more susceptible to oxidative damage. Goodrich cites research showing that when the linoleic acid in cardiolipin is replaced with oleic acid like that found in olive oil, the cardiolipin molecules become highly resistant to oxidative damage.

The other variable, however, is that olive oil is often cut with cheaper seed oils, which raises the linoleic acid content. So if you consume olive oil, I strongly recommend keeping close track of your total linoleic acid intake.

How Much Linoleic Acid Is Too Much?
Many now understand that your omega-6 to omega-3 ratio is very important, and should be about 1-to-1 or possibly up to 4-to-1, but simply increasing your omega-3 intake won't counteract the damage done by excessive linoleic acid. You really need to minimize the omega-6 to prevent damage from taking place.

Ideally, consider cutting linoleic acid down to 2 or 3 grams per day, which is close to what our ancestors used to get before all of these chronic health conditions, including obesity, diabetes, heart disease and cancer, became widespread. If olive oil puts you over the limit, consider cooking with tallow or lard instead. Beef tallow is 46% oleic acid and lard is 36% oleic acid.

Remember, linoleic acid is considered an essential fat, so you don't want to eliminate it entirely. It's only when consumed in excessive amounts that linoleic acid acts as a metabolic poison — but virtually everyone is consuming excessive amounts.

What amount is "excessive"? Anything over 10 grams a day is likely to be problematic, although the exact cutoff is still unknown. In 1909, Americans ate 2 grams a day of vegetable oil, according to Knobbe, but by 2010 this had increased to 80 grams a day.10

If you're not sure how much you're eating, enter your food intake into Cronometer — a free online nutrition tracker — and it will provide you with your total linoleic acid intake. The key to accurate entry is to carefully weigh your food with a digital kitchen scale so you can enter the weight of your food to the nearest gram.

Cronometer will tell you how much omega-6 you're getting from your food down to the 10th of a gram, and you can assume 90% of that is linoleic acid. Again, anything over 10 grams is likely to cause problems. Since there's no downside to limiting your linoleic acid, you'll want to keep it as low as possible, which you do by avoiding high-LA foods. This means eliminating all of the following oils:

Soy Corn
Canola Safflower
Sunflower Peanut
Other high-LA foods include chips fried in vegetable oil, commercial salad dressings and sauces, virtually all processed foods and any fried fast food, such as french fries. I'm currently writing a book on this topic as well, so stay tuned for more information about what I believe is likely the leading contributing cause of virtually all chronic diseases we've encountered over the last century."

[Alan]

My total cholesterol and LDL numbers have been in these ranges for years (I'll be 62 in a week). I've never taken statins (and never will). I have had 2 calcium score tests done (CAT scan looking for blockages in coronary arteries), and both times I got a perfect score of zero (no sign of blockages beginning to form). I've also had several sonograms of my carotid arteries, also looks perfect.

I'd -maybe- be a little concerned about the high triglycerides. How is your seed oil consumption?

(edit) I'd be hard pressed to stop drinking raw milk and cheese, 2 of my favorite foods!

[Bill Ryan]

I'd -maybe- be a little concerned about the high triglycerides. How is your seed oil consumption?
Exactly zero, if 'seed oils' = canola, sunflower, grapeseed, cottonseed, safflower, soybean and corn oils. Just never. I do add chia seeds to everything, but as best I understand they really can't be counted as a 'seed oil' issue. And none of the other reported causes of high triglycerides apply to me, except possibly the keto-related intake of saturated fat. (I'm guessing it's just that.)
I'm not going to worry too much about this. :) It just seemed like a possible concern, and I've learned a lot already after sharing my question. (The video that Miller posted above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89036-A-major-key-to-a-long-and-healthy-life-fasting-or-a-ketogenic-diet&p=1583320&viewfull=1#post1583320) was very useful. :highfive:)

[Bill Ryan]

Bumping this thread with a new article by Dr Mercola, which quite took me by surprise. :) I'll link to it and just copy the summary points, the last of which I feel is most important: Always listen to your own body and what it's trying to tell you.

I also have to say that I personally disregard his dismissal of a low-carb diet. It works VERY well for me: I'm fully active and healthy, the same weight (and shape!) as I was decades ago. I've been around long enough now to absolutely understand what I need to eat.

My own low-carb protocol is very simple, not ruthlessly strict but just very largely keeping clear of wheat and sucrose. Occasional rice and sweet potatoes are fine, plus raw whole milk and veggies like carrots and onions. But my protein and fat intake is pretty high. (I make my own delicious chocolate from raw cacao, honey, and coconut oil.) I also understand that blood type plays a role in this, and I'm a happy type O caveman. :)

I'm really only sharing this for interest, and others may well have some useful experiences to share. Do please comment!

~~~


https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2024/05/30/proteins-fats-carbs.aspx

From Keto to Carbo: Why I went from 50g to 500g of Carbs per Day

Until recently, I followed a ketogenic diet that was below 50 grams of carbs a day up to 100 grams a day. However, I've recently increased that to 500 grams of carbs daily, mostly in the form of these two ingredients. This is why.


Macronutrients are the primary components of your diet that give you energy; they consist of proteins, fats and carbohydrates, each of which serves unique functions in your body.



Proteins are essential for building and repairing tissues, including muscles and organs; they also play crucial roles in the functioning of enzymes, hormones and immune system components.



Fats are a dense source of energy and play a role in hormone production and the regulation of body temperature, while acting as a key component of cells and tissues.



Carbohydrates, which include simple sugars and complex carbohydrates, are one of the primary sources of energy for your body.



Optimal health is an ongoing journey and you must listen to your body to determine the best macronutrient ratio for you.

(... the long and interesting article continues (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2024/05/30/proteins-fats-carbs.aspx?ui=8b683a9cadeb9ca0453ccef1646e84c43af954a27c12f270343616cf1728440f&sd=20170723&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20240530&foDate=true&mid=DM1580152&rid=34554924))

[Vangelo]

...

My own low-carb protocol is very simple, not ruthlessly strict but just very largely keeping clear of wheat and sucrose. Occasional rice and sweet potatoes are fine, plus raw whole milk and veggies like carrots and onions. But my protein and fat intake is pretty high. (I make my own delicious chocolate from raw cacao, honey, and coconut oil.) I also understand that blood type plays a role in this, and I'm a happy type O caveman. :)

I too am type O and my diet is exactly the same as yours. I feel the best when I keep to this diet. I also have Crohn's Disease and have not eaten sugar for over 30 years. The only sweeteners I can eat without causing a flare-up are 'simple' sugars such as honey and fruit. I do not have celiac's disease but when I have wheat products my whole body hurts from inflammation and swelling. If I have too much, it too will trigger a Crohn's flare-up.

Finally, when I was first diagnosed with Crohn's I immediately went on the "specific carbohydrate diet". I found that I could not deviate at all. But I am certain, this diet saved my life.
Breaking the Vicious Cycle: Intestinal Health Through Diet Paperback
by Elaine Gottschall MS (Author) (https://a.co/d/2WK6HDM)

[Bill Ryan]

Chris Martenson published this conversation with Dr. Ken Berry a few days ago. I have to confess I'd not heard of Ken Berry before. Here's where he can be found:


https://drberry.com
https://youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos

I was impressed. He is adamant that 'the carnivore diet' is the cure for almost all ills. He states simply that
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs,
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs,
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs,
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs,
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs... for 90 days will cure almost anything — including Type 2 Diabetes and Multiple Sclerosis.

Now, I'm far from an expert on the keto diet, and (as best I can see) his recommended 'carnivore diet' isn't quite the same, with more protein and less fat. He also does not mention (e.g.) fish, cheese, milk, nuts or 'good' plant-based oils like olive and coconut. On his website (https://drberry.com) he has much on this, and the banner there states: DISCOVER THE PROPER HUMAN DIET.

His site and his own videos (https://youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos) may be more useful to readers here. But I did find this conversation inspiring, covering may topics but every one connected with how we are systematically all being poisoned by the Big Food Industry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPEbwOHQRM&t=198s

[palehorse]

I am type O too :)

Here is what I drink sometimes in the morning, it has no name it is my own invention based on what I found elsewhere, since the idea was to introduce more protein in my diet, but not necessarily having to eat the whole cow, this "special shake" helped me big time. I am not a big eater, I can spend days without food easily, don't ask me why I don't know, I am like that since childhood. My metabolism is extremely fast, so I have to keep an eye on my nutrition, otherwise I can go skinny very easily.

Here is the recipe for the shake:

Ingredients:

1 teaspoon spirulina powder (high in protein, B vitamins, iron, magnesium, among other things)
1 teaspoon chlorella powder (high in protein, chlorophyll, vits, minerals)
1 teaspoon moringa powder (vitamins, minerals and antioxidants)
1/2 teaspoon turmeric powder (anti-inflammatory and antioxidant)
1 cup fresh kale leaves (vitamins A, C, K, B-complex, calcium, potassium, magnesium among other things)
1 banana (for sweetness)
1/2 apple (for sweetness and texture)
1 tablespoon lemon juice (to enhance turmeric absorption)
1 cup almond or oat milk (I prefer oat, I dislike almonds)
A pinch of black pepper (to enhance turmeric absorption)
Optional: honey for extra sweetness + ginseng (for mental boost)
Ice if you like it cool

When I am not drinking my special shake, I am drinking other stuffs like barley grass with shredded coconut, or beet root and carrot juices with Chinese celery, my thing is: in the morning I will always drink something nutrient packed, I do not eat eggs and bacon in the morning, it works against your liver which is in natural detox mode in the morning, so heavy food in the morning is a no go, at least for me.

My exercise routine is basically run many days per week, swim 1x or 2x week, or bike when not swimming. I do lift sometimes, but I don't like gyms, I prefer the outdoors for physical activities.

If you can run, jog, hike or just walk fast, then do it, there is nothing better for the body.
You want to increase your physical conditioning? start doing pull ups and push ups daily, I guarantee in a month or so you will be doing at least 4 sets of 10 reps non-stop. If it is too hard to start, use the rubber band to leverage your weight, and remove it when feels comfortable.

[Ernie Nemeth]

mmm...bacon....

[palehorse]

mmm...bacon....

yes delicious bacon HAHA

[Ravenlocke]

I found this article which explains Dr Ken Berry’s PHD (Proper Human Diet) and at the end lists the health benefits of this diet.


https://www.doctorkiltz.com/proper-human-diet/

Dr. Ken Berry’s Proper Human Diet

The Proper Human Diet or “PHD” is an approach to low-carb eating developed by keto-carnivore enthusiast Dr. Ken Berry.

The Proper Human Diet calls for centering meals around high-quality meats and animal fats, eliminating all grains, sugars, and processed foods while allowing very limited amounts of low-carb veggies and fruits.

Dr. Berry developed the Proper Human Diet based on years of personal experimentation, his family medicine practice observations, and anthropological research on ancestral eating patterns.

In this article, we’ll explore the Proper Human Diet and its potential benefits, along with a helpful food list and guidelines.

What is the Proper Human Diet?

The Proper Human Diet is a type of low-carb high-fat ketogenic eating plan that prizes meat and animal fats.

This way of eating eliminates all processed foods and minimizes fruits and vegetables.

The Proper Human Diet is proposed as a way of realigning your physiology with ancestral eating habits.

The PHD founder Dr. Ken Berry points out that dietary guidelines are misleading and downright dangerous. Foods that we’ve been told to eat are inflammatory and toxic, while wholesome, nutrient-dense animal foods, especially red meat, eggs, and saturated animal fats, have been demonized with bad science and propaganda. Thankfully modern science is setting the record straight. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

Dr. Berry’s message: Do not trust industrial food producers and the organizations they support (like the American Heart Association) to have your health in their best interest. If you want to get healthy, eat like our ancestors.

This approach is based on a growing body of research showing that our paleolithic ancestors were hyper-carnivorous apex predators that thrived on fatty meat from large animals for nearly two million years. [7]

It wasn’t until humans essentially ate these large animals into extinction that we began cultivating plants around 10,000 years ago. [8]

The legacy of our fatty-meat-seeking ancestral evolution persists in the physiology of modern humans. In short, our bodies are designed to thrive on meat and animal fat.

Furthermore, fruits and veggies served only small and temporary roles in the ancestral diet. As a food of last resort, they are not essential and can contain harmful plant toxins and antinutrients.

Grains, sugars, and industrial seed “vegetable” oils were nonexistent and have been shown to be highly inflammatory.

“Proper” then refers to a diet that is most properly aligned with human physiological needs and therefore provides the body with exactly the nutrients we need while eliminating all harmful foods.

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Dr. Berry developed the Proper Human Diet during his career as a family doctor in rural Tennessee.

After more than a decade of treating over 25,000 patients, Dr. Berry proclaimed, “I’ve seen so much suffering and heartache, all because of the unnecessary complications of diseases caused by our modern diet. Well, I’ve had enough!”

Dr. Berry gained widespread recognition with his bestselling book “Lies My Doctor Told Me” and gained over 2.5 million ardent YouTube followers.

Dr. Berry now makes it his mission to promote the Proper Human Diet as a powerful lifestyle approach to treating the diseases he sees in his office every day, including metabolic syndrome, Type-2 diabetes, obesity, fatty liver, heart disease, and depression.

Dr. Berry and his wife Nisha (who suffers from Hashimoto’s) experimented with different versions of keto for years. And in 2020, Dr. Berry made the transition to the all-meat carnivore diet.

The carnivore diet can be seen as a somewhat more restrictive version of his Proper Human Diet.

Below, you can watch Dr. Berry in conversation with fellow carnivore enthusiast Dr. Kiltz.

Foods To Eat on the Proper Human Diet

If it used to moo, bleat, oink, swim, or cluck (and whatever sound bivalves make), then you should eat it!

Additionally, eggs and cheese are excellent PHD foods.

Some fruits, greens, and low-carb veggies are permitted in a supplementary role.

Here is a list of Proper Human Diet Foods listed in order of importance.

1. Ruminant Meat

The best, most nutrient-dense meats with the healthiest fat profiles are from ruminant animals:

Beef
Lamb
Bison
Goat
Ribeye steak is the meat of choice for most Proper Human dieters. At the same time, less expensive meats like 70/30 ground beef are an excellent budget option.

ribeye steak with nutrient call out

2. Pork

Pork products like pork belly and bacon are also excellent, though they are considered second-tier because they are less nutrient-dense and have a good but less-optimal array of fatty acids when compared to ruminant meats.

3. Animal Fats

The Proper Human Diet eliminates most carbs, which means you have to get most of your calories (70-80%) from fat.

If you eat too much protein (more than 1 gram of protein per 1 gram of fat), you’ll get protein poisoning. [9]

So choose fatty cuts of meat and add generous helpings of animal fats like:

Butter
Ghee
Lard
Beef, bison, and duck tallow
Some people practicing the Proper Human Diet also allow for coconut and olive oil.

But be sure to dispose of all other vegetable oils and shortening. These Industrial oils are toxic, inflammatory, and maybe the most dangerous dietary substance out there. [10]

In fact, studies show that the only lifestyle factors more deadly than consuming vegetable oil are severe obesity and heavy smoking. When considering that vegetable oil is implicated in obesity, it may be more accurate to label vegetable oils as public enemy number one.

Common vegetable oils to avoid include:

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4. Eggs

Eggs are perhaps the most nutritionally complete food on earth. This makes sense when considering that they need to contain all the building blocks for growing an entire creature.

Their combination of healthy fats, complete high-quality proteins, and an abundance of vitamin D and vitamin K all make eggs a supremely proper food for the human diet.

5. Fatty Cheese

Some Proper Human Dieters choose to eliminate all dairy for 30-90 days to assess for dairy allergies. At the same time, others make fatty ripened cheeses a PHD staple.

Fatty cheeses can be a great way to maintain the pleasure of variety while boosting your intake of healthy fatty acids and fat-soluble vitamins.

Ripened cheeses like pecorino and blue cheese offer the added benefit of tens of thousands of bioactive compounds that promote heart health and that have even been shown to reverse aging. [11] [12] [13]

6. Organ Meats

Organ meats, widely considered nature’s most potent multi-vitamin, pack a nearly unbelievable amount of vital nutrients, including B vitamins and vitamins A, E, K2, D, and C.

Bone broth, especially when made at home from marrow bones, provides collagen and complex amino acids that help repair the intestinal lining and support joint and skin health.

7. Seafood

Fatty fish like Salmon provide high-quality protein, healthy fats, including omega-3s, and a complex of B vitamins.

Shellfish like mussels and oysters provide crucial vitamins and minerals, including robust amounts of vitamins B and D, zinc, selenium, and copper.

Beware that most seafood is contaminated with toxins from industrial pollution. For this reason, seafood is optimally enjoyed once in a while on the Proper Human Diet.

8. Salt and Electrolytes

Though not technically a food, salt and electrolytes are important dietary nutrients and become even more important on low-carb eating plans like the Proper Human Diet.

This is because when you cut carbs, your body flushes water weight and along with it, electrolytes like glycogen and magnesium.

This flushing is often a temporary side effect of the transition from a high-carb diet.

Liberally salting your foods is key to maintaining your electrolyte levels.

Doctors knowledgeable about low-carb diets generally recommend increasing salt consumption to 12 grams (2 teaspoons) per day in the first few days of adapting.

After that, it is generally recommended that you consume 5 grams (1 teaspoon) of salt daily to avoid flu-like symptoms of headaches, fatigue, and constipation. [14]

9. Vegetables

Though Dr. Berry himself avoids all plant foods, he views most vegetables as fine on a PHD when consumed in moderation.

His rule of thumb: “If it’s green and leafy, then go for it! If it’s starchy or sweet, then avoid it.”

Here’s a list of low-carb-friendly veggies:

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10. Fruit

Most fruits are too high in carbs to be enjoyed often on a Proper Human Diet.

Dr. Berry points out that fruits were seasonal in the context of human dietary evolution. When we eat fruit (and all sugar), our body sends signals telling us to eat more as fast as possible. This causes a spike in the hormone insulin, which tells the body to turn excess sugar into fat that is stored on our bodies to be used as an emergency fuel source when food is more scarce in the winter. But for modern humans, food is rarely scarce, and once you start eating sugar, this loop is self-reinforcing and hard to escape.

So if you’re seeking to reduce sugar intake, lose excess weight, and reduce inflammation, cutting out most fruit is a wise move.

And remember that drinking freshly squeezed juice is often more sugary than a soda.

If you’re trying to lose weight, reducing sugar intake is key.

This list of lower-carb fruits can be consumed in moderation:

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11. Nuts and Seeds

Nuts and seeds are generally low in carbs and high in fat. But they’re also high in abrasive fiber and inflammatory Omega-6 fatty acids, and often contain plant toxins and antinutrients that minimize their overall health benefits.

For this reason, nuts and seeds in the Proper Human Diet should be consumed only occasionally.

A list of acceptable nuts and seeds includes:

Beverages

If our ancient ancestors didn’t drink it, it’s probably better that we don’t either.

This leaves us with mineral water.

If you do rely on caffeinated beverages, choose low-carb coffee and tea made without sugar. But feel free to add butter.

Alcohol like gin, vodka, and whisky are simply not good for us, so they are best avoided.

Diet sodas, though low in real sugar, often contain artificial ingredients that are certainly not ancestrally aligned.

Carbonated mineral water is fine if you can’t go without your bubbles.

Sweeteners?

Sugar in every form and other “natural” sweeteners like honey and maple syrup are eliminated on the Proper Human Diet.

When you’re focusing on single-ingredient whole foods, there’s rarely an opportunity for them anyway.

But if you do get into more creative low-carb keto-friendly recipes, Stevia, Monk Fruit Extract, and Allulose are all acceptable in moderation.

Health Benefits of the Proper Human Diet

The Proper Human Diet is essentially a more ancestrally aligned version of a ketogenic diet. Very low-carb, high-fat ketogenic diets have been subject to hundreds of clinical studies that show them to provide powerful health benefits.

Some of the benefits of the Proper Human Diet may include

Improved cholesterol and triglycerides: While high in dietary fats, the Proper Human Diet can improve your lipid profile, such as increasing levels of HDL (good) cholesterol and decreasing levels of triglycerides. [15]
Increased insulin sensitivity: Reducing carbs stabilizes blood glucose and insulin levels, making it a powerful intervention for people with metabolic syndrome, type 2 diabetes, and insulin resistance. [16] [17] [18]
Can eliminate PCOS: PCOS is directly linked to chronically high levels of insulin resulting from a high-carb diet. Cutting carbs reduces the hormonal trigger behind PCOS. [19]
Supports the treatment of various cancers: Certain cancers thrive on high-sugar diets. [20]
Protects against neurodegenerative diseases, including epilepsy, Alzheimer’s, and Parkinson’s disease. [21] [22]
Enhanced mental clarity, focus, and mental health: studies show keto diets can dramatically improve mental health conditions, reduce psychotic symptoms, and eliminate the need for mental health medications. Many other studies directly link meat eating with lower incidences of depression and anxiety. [23]
Regulates inflammation and supports immune function: Chronic inflammation is linked to numerous health issues, including heart disease, diabetes, and autoimmune disorders. By reducing carbohydrate intake, the Proper Human Diet may help lower inflammation markers in the body. [24] [25] [26]
Reduces food cravings and supports weight loss: high-fat, moderate-protein, and low-carb eating helps increase feelings of fullness and reduces hormones like leptin and insulin that directly drive food cravings. [27] [28] [29]
Provides an abundance of important fat-soluble vitamins (K, D, E) that are essential to overall physical health. [30]
Protects the glycocalyx–this delicate membrane covers the surface of every cell and plays a critical role in numerous physiological functions, including heart health, inflammation, and fertility. [31]
5 Tips for Success on Proper Human Diet
These five tips will help you unlock the powerful benefits of the carnivore diet.

Commitment: It takes time to make the transition from a high-carb standard American diet to PHD. Give yourself at least 30 days. Then extend your commitment for another 30 days until it becomes an established eating habit. If you fall off the wagon, dust yourself off and get back up. A big ribeye drenched in salty butter usually does the trick.
Join an ancestral eating community. Like-minded eaters share their successes and tips and motivate each other amidst a world of junk food temptations.
Remove temptations! Don’t make an enemy out of your fridge, freezer, and pantry. Throw away all non-PHD foods, and stock up with ancestrally-aligned whole foods.
Stock up! This part is fun. Fill your shopping basket with succulent meats and cheeses.
Keep at it! It takes time to transform your mental circuitry into a durable habit. Take it one meal at a time, and keep going!
Proper Human Diet: The Bottom Line
Low-carb enthusiast Dr. Ken Berry asks, “Is there a proper human diet? Or can humans eat whatever they want and expect good health?

The answer is clear. The modern Standard American Diet is loaded with processed junk food, and grains and over-loaded with industrial fruits and veggies. These foods contribute to various “diseases of civilization” and autoimmune disorders.

The key to reclaiming health and wellness begins with what you put in your mouth. It makes nutritional sense to look at the whole foods that our ancestors evolved, eating as the key to reclaiming our health and wellness, one meal at a time.

[Bill Ryan]

I found this article which explains Dr Ken Berry’s PHD (Proper Human Diet) and at the end lists the health benefits of this diet.

https://www.doctorkiltz.com/proper-human-diet/

Dr. Ken Berry’s Proper Human Diet

The Proper Human Diet or “PHD” is an approach to low-carb eating developed by keto-carnivore enthusiast Dr. Ken Berry. Thanks — that's really most interesting and valuable. In my post (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89036-A-major-key-to-a-long-and-healthy-life-fasting-or-a-ketogenic-diet&p=1632270&viewfull=1#post1632270) a couple of days ago I'd written




Now, I'm far from an expert on the keto diet, and (as best I can see) his recommended 'carnivore diet' isn't quite the same, with more protein and less fat. He also does not mention (e.g.) fish, cheese, milk, nuts or 'good' plant-based oils like olive and coconut. On his website (https://drberry.com) he has much on this, and the banner there states: DISCOVER THE PROPER HUMAN DIET. ... but I was clearly pretty much incorrect. It's exactly the keto diet as I understand it.

Just thinking aloud here, I'm contemplating trying out his
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs,
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs
diet for maybe just a week. :) (Not 90 days!! I don't need to do that.)

But a week could do no harm and it might be an interesting experience. No olive oil, no milk, nuts or cheese, nothing else at all. I'd be curious to see what happens to my desire for other things to augment that, and also what might happen to my energy.

But first, I need to clear my fridge of a few things, as I have some fruit and milk to use up. I'm not quite sure about this yet, but I promise to report back. :)

[Ravenlocke]

Hi Bill,

Im interested in trying the keto diet,and am doing some research to maybe ease into it but this Carnivore diet of BBBE sounds quite drastic because as I see from this video, these people made of doing the BBBE, you have to buy a lot of meat and looks like they make their own ‘jerky’, they call them meat thins which they dehydrate in a dehydrator but you probably can do as well in an oven. They also go to Sams club and pick up a huge jar of pork rinds besides meat.

They made the video to show what they eat, and how to get and prep the food.

Here is the video which may help you a little to try this carnivore diet for a week.

How to meal prep for Beef Butter Bacon & Eggs | Rachel's not happy

M2RJrcu2694

I also found this article that explains what the BBBE diet is and what the Carnivore diet is.

https://www.theprimal.com/blog/what-is-bbbe-diet-meal-plan-side-effects-and-food-list


To quote from the above article,

What Is BBBE Diet? What Does BBBE Diet Stand for?

The BBBE diet is a all meat diet and an acronym for beef, bacon, butter, and eggs. This diet mainly comprises these four foods and allows next to no carbohydrates, fruits, and vegetables.

The BBBE diet is a variation of the popular low-carb, high-fat (LCHF), Carnivore or ketogenic diet, which seeks to provide the ketosis condition for the body so that it burns fat instead of carbohydrates.

However, unlike other LCHF diets that prioritize intaking protein and healthy fats, the BBBE diet only relies on beef, bacon, butter, and eggs to provide the necessary nutrients for the body.

As mentioned above, the BBBE diet is a limited version of the Carnivore diet. Before going into details of the BBBE diet, let’s see what the Carnivore diet is and how these two diets are similar.

What Is Carnivore Diet?

The Carnivore diet is focused on maximizing the intake of protein and healthy fat intake from animal products only and bans all plant-based products, including fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes. Learn about Carnivore diet recipes.

The Carnivore diet is also known as a zero-carb, all-meat, or lion diet, as it relies on meat and cuts carbohydrates, except for occasional amounts of carbs found in some animal products like dairy.

Many people follow the Carnivore diet to lose weight, improve digestion and general health, and reduce inflammation. Some also believe the Carnivore diet improves autoimmune conditions or certain food sensitivities.

It’s no secret that you need to consult a healthcare specialist before making drastic changes to your eating habits to avoid possible side effects and choose the diet best fitting your body condition and needs.


Hope this helps you in some way and I look forward to your endeavor/ adventure into this along with the other Avalonians.

[Ravenlocke]

I also found this video
,
How to do Beef Butter Bacon & Egg | Dr. Ken Berry discusses Triple B&E | Why BBB&E limits coffee

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[Bill Ryan]

Hi Bill,

Im interested in trying the keto diet,and am doing some research to maybe ease into it but this Carnivore diet of BBBE sounds quite drastic because as I see from this video, these people made of doing the BBBE, you have to buy a lot of meat and looks like they make their own ‘jerky’, they call them meat thins which they dehydrate in a dehydrator but you probably can do as well in an oven. They also go to Sams club and pick up a huge jar of pork rinds besides meat.

They made the video to show what they eat, and how to get and prep the food.

Here is the video which may help you a little to try this carnivore diet for a week.

How to meal prep for Beef Butter Bacon & Eggs | Rachel's not happy

M2RJrcu2694
I also found this article that explains what the BBBE diet is and what the Carnivore diet is.

https://www.theprimal.com/blog/what-is-bbbe-diet-meal-plan-side-effects-and-food-list

To quote from the above article,

What Is BBBE Diet? What Does BBBE Diet Stand for?

The BBBE diet is a all meat diet and an acronym for beef, bacon, butter, and eggs. This diet mainly comprises these four foods and allows next to no carbohydrates, fruits, and vegetables.

The BBBE diet is a variation of the popular low-carb, high-fat (LCHF), Carnivore or ketogenic diet, which seeks to provide the ketosis condition for the body so that it burns fat instead of carbohydrates.

However, unlike other LCHF diets that prioritize intaking protein and healthy fats, the BBBE diet only relies on beef, bacon, butter, and eggs to provide the necessary nutrients for the body.

As mentioned above, the BBBE diet is a limited version of the Carnivore diet. Before going into details of the BBBE diet, let’s see what the Carnivore diet is and how these two diets are similar.

What Is Carnivore Diet?

The Carnivore diet is focused on maximizing the intake of protein and healthy fat intake from animal products only and bans all plant-based products, including fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes. Learn about Carnivore diet recipes.

The Carnivore diet is also known as a zero-carb, all-meat, or lion diet, as it relies on meat and cuts carbohydrates, except for occasional amounts of carbs found in some animal products like dairy.

Many people follow the Carnivore diet to lose weight, improve digestion and general health, and reduce inflammation. Some also believe the Carnivore diet improves autoimmune conditions or certain food sensitivities.

It’s no secret that you need to consult a healthcare specialist before making drastic changes to your eating habits to avoid possible side effects and choose the diet best fitting your body condition and needs.

Hope this helps you in some way and I look forward to your endeavor/ adventure into this along with the other Avalonians.~~~

Thanks! I remain convinced that listening to your own body (and understanding its language! :)) is the central, core thing. So I've experimented with the Carnivore Diet a number of times before (sometimes for as long as 3 months), have always felt happy and comfortable about it, and each time stopped when my body started yelling at me: Hey, we need salad! :)

But the very strict-and-simple BBBE (Beef, Butter, Bacon and Eggs) diet intrigued me, and as I posted above I'm thinking that a trial week — 7 days, no more — can't possibly do any harm. So I've decided I'm going to start that maybe on Sunday, as soon as I've used up some perishables in my fridge.

The regular Carnivore Diet (which is BBBE + low-carb veggies, milk, yogurt, cheese, nuts, olive oil, etc etc, as well as chicken and fish, is pretty straightforward to have a go at. It can easily be delicious, is always filling. and you don't have to worry about the size of helpings or counting calories. (Never, ever, count calories, by the say, as that's almost completely meaningless and irrelevant to anyone at any time.)

Gradual weight loss, maybe a pound per day, is practically guaranteed. You might have to drink a little more water than usual as the allowed high-protein-and-fat food has a slightly lower water content than a 'regular' eat-anything diet. (But in my experience, unsweetened coffee and all kinds of teas are both also just fine.)

[Ravenlocke]

I just found this Woman’s World article about the BBBE diet and it includes the recipe for the Cloud bread which was invented by the woman mentioned in the article who went on the BBBE diet.

https://www.womansworld.com/weight-loss/diets/bbbe-diet

Keto dieters have a little plan they swear by that can help anyone jump-start weight loss. The best part: It couldn’t be simpler! At each meal, just eat your fill of beef, butter, bacon and eggs — that’s it. “Without question, there’s no more satisfying way to get big results,” promises Tennessee-based keto guru Ken Berry, MD, who created the BBBE diet approach to help folks experiment with almost-zero-carb eating. Not only do women say the strategy helps them kickstart weight loss, but they’re also now using TikTok’s hottest food trend (with over 3.2 billion views) to make it extra fun and extra delicious. Read on to learn how the BBBE diet can help you jump-start slimming, plus the delicious BBBE-friendly bread women are loving.

What is the BBBE diet?

Beef, butter, bacon and eggs — or BBBE, as Dr. Berry has coined it — is a shortcut version of the increasingly popular carnivore diet. Like a traditional keto diet, it works by replacing carb-rich foods with protein and fat. But the BBBE diet also takes the guess work out of the diet, narrowing down what you can eat but allowing you to indulge in unlimited beef, butter, bacon and eggs until you feel full.

Here’s where it gets interesting: Both carnivore and the BBBE diet skip plant foods. Why? It guarantees carb intake stays very low, “which leads to remarkable hunger control,” says Dr. Berry. “Some people only eat one or two meals a day because it’s all they want.” Skipping plants also eliminates potential sources of food sensitivities, relieving inflammation for many. “When inflammation comes down, you lose retained fluid, burn more fat and see health turn around,” says Dr. Berry. “If you eat a lot of plants and are in fantastic shape, keep doing what you’re doing. But if traditional approaches aren’t working or you just want to see a big difference in a short time, BBBE can be a great choice.”

How the BBBE diet triggers weight loss

In many ways, carnivore-style plans like the BBBE diet work exactly like keto. By replacing most of the carbs you eat with protein and fat, the body can’t make enough blood sugar to fuel itself. “Your body then naturally begins turning excess fat into an alternative fuel called ketones,” Dr. Berry explains. Studies show when we run on ketones, we safely burn up to 664% more fat. Indeed, Canadian researchers found that folks who adopted carnivore-like eating styles started burning dramatically more fat and calories in under 48 hours. (Click through to learn how burgers helped one woman stave off hunger on keto.)

Plus, protein and fat-rich foods are more satiating than those loaded with carbohydrates. That means you’ll effortlessly feel less hunger and potentially experience fewer cravings. And since some BBBE diet-friendly foods like steak take a little more effort to chew, you’ll get an extra boost in satiety. According to researchers in Physiology & Behavior, chewing more tamped down appetite and increased gut hormones linked to satiety.

Dr. Berry himself has been maintaining his own 65-pound weight loss for years with a mostly carnivore diet. “My blood work has never been better,” he says, noting that BBBE jump-starts wellness as well as weight loss. “You dramatically improve diabetes, joint pain, mood and so much more in a few days or weeks.” No matter your starting point, it’s not too late. “We see people in their late 70s use BBBE to look and feel decades younger. It’s magical, but it’s not magic — it’s science!”

What is BBBE diet cloud bread?

With billions of views online, famous “cloud bread” has become a staple for keto, carnivore and BBBE diet fans alike. It gets its name because the stuff is mouthwateringly light and fluffy, with a texture like Wonder Bread. “It lets you have tasty sandwiches with virtually no carbs,” notes KetogenicWoman.com founder Anita Breeze, 64 (more of her story below), who created the recipe below. “And it’s easy to make. You just need eggs, butter and salt.” (Click through for other keto bread recipes.)

For starters, the eggs in cloud bread are a jackpot of amino acids linked to stronger muscles and faster metabolism. Even better, “when cloud bread is made with BBBE ingredients, it’s a great tool for anyone addicted to carbs,” says Dr. Berry. “It lets you have what you’re used to eating as you transition to a way of eating that can transform your health. That’s huge.”

The rest is here,
https://www.womansworld.com/weight-loss/diets/bbbe-diet

[Gemma13]

I suffer chronic inflammation from an auto-immune disease that also affects my gut at extreme levels. Having experimented with most diets looking for triggers and relief, I found the Carnivore diet to be the most beneficial.

I went strict for a week or so, then tailored it to my preferences i.e. introducing yoghurt, dairy, nuts, seeds, protein shakes, and occasional salads.

It's only difficult to maintain socially, but doable if occasional carbs are kept to a minimum. Who am I kidding... it isn't easy at all, to be honest, when ya love pasta, curries, pies, and don't get me started on homemade bread :worried:
Spaghetti Squash, when you can get it, is a great substitute though. And of course, there’s cauliflower rice as a sub-in.

[Bill Ryan]

Just thinking aloud here, I'm contemplating trying out his
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs,
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs
diet for maybe just a week. :) (Not 90 days!! I don't need to do that.)

But a week could do no harm and it might be an interesting experience. No olive oil, no milk, nuts or cheese, nothing else at all. I'd be curious to see what happens to my desire for other things to augment that, and also what might happen to my energy. An interim update, that some here might find interesting.

I embarked on the BBBE diet the last two days. I'm not doing well. :)

So this is the start of Day 3, and I'm considering abandoning it entirely. I'm tired but not sleeping well, my legs are leaden and I have no energy, I'm not hungry (and have no desire this morning for any more bacon and eggs), and last night in bed I was so cold I had to get up at midnight and put on hiking socks and a fleece jacket. (OMG!)

Readers of my posts here (and on the Water Fasting (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread) will have seen me often offering the advice; Always listen to your body. My body is begging me to stop this. How anyone can maintain this for 90 days is beyond my imagination. :)

I was doing far, far better on my recent non-strict water fast a few weeks ago, which I reported in some detail here. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting&p=1630125&viewfull=1#post1630125) I was bouncing with energy and felt great, nibbling on celery, with sips of raw milk, kefir, and some small bites of fruit, going on hour-long high mountain hikes every couple of days which all felt easy and fun.

I'd promised myself (and my dog Mara!) I'd go for a hike today, my first since starting the BBBE — and I'm not sure I can do it.

I promise to report back later..!!

[Olaf]

I also started my BBBE diet last saturday. On sunday I was very hungry and missing my carbohydrates. After applying 8 minutes of magnet field therapy to my liver (old Bemer 3000 device), my body seems to adopt faster to the new regime.

Dr. Sten Ekberg reports, that his body needed three days to start producing ketone bodies as new energy source.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ctDyQDIWAc

Nevertheless I would also listen to my body and stop, when I am not feeling well with this. Perhaps you may have a small infect, Bill?

[Harmony]

Bill, you have recently been on a fast before you started this new BBBE diet. I hope you will really nourish yourself today with foods like your raw cocoa hot chocolate with a little coconut oil and some carob molasses. Some vegetable juice or mineral rich liquids and some watermelon or fruits with minerals. Try and just take it easy but keep having some of those goodies often to balance your system until you feel back to normal :heart:

[Czarek]

... long and healthy life (if considering food intake) consists of eating little to no dairy, eggs, fish, spices. Bison, lamb, beef, turkey, rice, beans, sourdough bread, some apples, bananas, some elemental pure salt and with that, the garbage out will be greater than garbage in. Particularly pay attention to compounds that turn into alcohol. Avoid at all cost. This is what ages you.

[Agape]

Hello Bill, I've just happened to read here recently because I'm not feeling well either. But read your last post so kindly don't think that I "don't care".

There may be fluid reason why "keto diets" and protein loads work better for some than others, I do know from friends who have tested it in long profile .
The most succesful metabolic catalyst for carnivore based diets seems to be alcohol ( take it or leave it) as it breaks down lipids, proteins and complicated sugars and provides venal drainage , clears excess amounts of lipids and other build up accumulated in liver, digestive tract etc

For sure: alcohol abuse leads to direct opposite but so does any other substance abuse.

People who are succesful do not always mention "how they did it".

As known non-alcoholic who you are , I'm not surprised of your symptoms .
IF you were able to drink some beers or red wine on the top ( red wine is far better in my opinion) it could serve you well and bring you back to the strength required.

I'm also non alcoholic and especially do not tolerate beer and the smell off but if I had a glass a wine times to times it did me rather well.

I'm 99% vegetarian otherwise and have pancreatic insufficiency since childhood thats mostly manageable by diet, in peaceful setting does not require even much dieting but hits me at times of overheat , extreme cold, stress and fatigue . And of course not having the right choice or amount of feed does not help so I can not eat "whatever wherever" and feeding self by bits serves ne the best

In either case , as alcohol is out of option, I suggest some fizzy drinks if you can find those.


Sounds paradoxical and bad advice for self affirmed dietologists but everyone is different and you are completely right on "follow your own body intelligence and advice".

Since India is rather hot country even here 2000 m/sea level and since the global overheat is running, I'd have never survived here without Cola, Sprite and Soda.

I'm complete exception among people "on diets" because "bubbles" are said to be bad for you but they do me well ,

while drinking still water literarily draines me of both water and energy .

Other than fizzy water plus hot drinks like lemon tea or milk coffee I could probably live on ice cream, even in cold winters.

Ate ( responsibly) 4 bread toasts the other day , it knocked me out of function since I was already unwell.

I do abstain from most grains , no rice or lentils or breads and wheats, no oats work for me, it just upsets my digestion and once so , diary too stops working.

I completely can eat butter 🧈 and egg 🥚, the later time to times.

Can eat oil marinated olives and other pickles but not fried foods and well, no hot spice .

That's in brief . Hope you have good luck and can help yourself by any means available.

🪷

[Ravenlocke]

I’m pressed for time so have to make this short.

Im sorry you feel so bad Bill, wish you a speedy recovery.

Also Im still researching, but apparently some folks experience “keto flu” at first, symptoms include tiredness, nausea, and feeling under the weather. Also I read that some folks take electrolyte drink which eases the symptoms.

Later, take care,

Ravenlocke

[Bill Ryan]

I embarked on the BBBE diet the last two days. I'm not doing well. :)

So this is the start of Day 3, and I'm considering abandoning it entirely.
[ ... ]
I promise to report back later..!!Dear Friends, many thanks for your posts (and concern!), and here's the update. :thumbsup:

I did listen to my body, and had an avocado for breakfast. I instantly felt infused with energy. (I have no idea why! It was just as effective as hot chocolate. :P)

Just one avocado fixed everything, and it was instant. Right after that, my dog Mara and I went out on our hike (two hours in the high mountains) and it was all 100% fine and normal.

So I'm not going to do this again. :ROFL: BBBE has almost zero carbs at all, maybe merely 5 grams/day. Clearly, for me that's just not enough, especially as I was fast approaching my minimum healthy weight, and despite not being hungry at all I was losing weight rapidly.

I shared this completely different story in some detail (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting&p=1630125&viewfull=1#post1630125) on the Water Fasting (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread a couple of weeks back, and that'll be my own go-to protocol from here on out if ever needed.

Reminder to self: (and everyone!)


Everybody is different.
Every body is different.

:muscle: :grouphug: :muscle:

[Flash]

Just thinking aloud here, I'm contemplating trying out his
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs,
Beef, butter, bacon, eggs
diet for maybe just a week. :) (Not 90 days!! I don't need to do that.)

But a week could do no harm and it might be an interesting experience. No olive oil, no milk, nuts or cheese, nothing else at all. I'd be curious to see what happens to my desire for other things to augment that, and also what might happen to my energy. An interim update, that some here might find interesting.

I embarked on the BBBE diet the last two days. I'm not doing well. :)

So this is the start of Day 3, and I'm considering abandoning it entirely. I'm tired but not sleeping well, my legs are leaden and I have no energy, I'm not hungry (and have no desire this morning for any more bacon and eggs), and last night in bed I was so cold I had to get up at midnight and put on hiking socks and a fleece jacket. (OMG!)

Readers of my posts here (and on the Water Fasting (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread) will have seen me often offering the advice; Always listen to your body. My body is begging me to stop this. How anyone can maintain this for 90 days is beyond my imagination. :)

I was doing far, far better on my recent non-strict water fast a few weeks ago, which I reported in some detail here. (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting&p=1630125&viewfull=1#post1630125) I was bouncing with energy and felt great, nibbling on celery, with sips of raw milk, kefir, and some small bites of fruit, going on hour-long high mountain hikes every couple of days which all felt easy and fun.

I'd promised myself (and my dog Mara!) I'd go for a hike today, my first since starting the BBBE — and I'm not sure I can do it.

I promise to report back later..!!

That keto diet was excellent for me, I felt energized and lost 40 pounds 4 years ago first time around. You remember how fat I was, it felt sooooo good. I gained back 15 pounds and I am actually going back on Keto.

And no, it cannot be for a lifetime, tough to follow. But.... with the keto, I had a super vitaminized bio protein formulae for breakfast, plus 3 glasses of bio cranberry juice mixed with water (1 cranberry 3 water) plus with 3 tbs of lemon juice and 3 tbs of cider vinegar in the juice, 3 times per day, it cleans the kidneys and liver you would not believe.

In my high vitamins regular protein no sugar bio shake I add fish oil (omega 3 and vitamin D), almond milk, water and vanilla for taste, plus half a banana. I also add Dr Stamet formulae of lion mane in powder form, and a mix of mushrooms (cannot get the microdoses of magic mushrooms in Canada, as suggested, it is illegal, looking for it though). Next month I will add niacin as soon as I can get psilocybin in micro dosage. It seems that the combination of magic shrooms, niacin and lion mane repairs the nervous system, and helps new neurons birthing and neuronal connections. I will see if it works when I complete the whole thing. Being diabetic, the nervous system is under duress, demyelination occurs, I may need it to be helped. I always give it a 3 months trial before rejecting a therapy (which I did with different treatments for my daughter and it made wonders/miracles).

The trick with keto is not being hungry, supplementing with vitamins found in veggies and fruits, at least for a while, and take a break from it every 6 months (3 months break). And mostly adding salt to the diet because it makes you lose lots of salt.

The first 5 days on keto you are sneezing as if you have an allergy. It goes away after 5 days not to come back. This is a sign that you are into keto for the first time.

Good luck everyone, it did work for me and it will again.

[Bill Ryan]

That keto diet was excellent for me, I felt energized and lost 40 pounds 4 years ago first time around. You remember how fat I was, it felt sooooo good. I gained back 15 pounds and I am actually going back on Keto.Dear Flash, that's so very interesting and inspiring to read. It underscores for me that a keto diet has to be (a) intelligent and (b) very well thought-out, with (c) full awareness engaged.

It's not a formulaic thing (you can't just copy someone else's to-do list), and what works fine for one person may not work so well for another. (Not at all!)

~~~

With that in mind, here's what I just discovered literally a few minutes ago. I glanced at myself in the mirror (something I actually don't often do) — and I look terrible. :ROFL: Not a joke. I really look quite sick. I'm not even going to share a photo of my whole face. :P

But here's a close-up of my right eye.... it's developed something that looks like a bruise, but I never hurt myself, and it's not in any way sensitive. I have no idea what this is, or how it happened, but I'm pretty sure it's new as of today. And it can't possibly be a good thing. :worried:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Bill's_right_eye.jpg

[Flash]

That keto diet was excellent for me, I felt energized and lost 40 pounds 4 years ago first time around. You remember how fat I was, it felt sooooo good. I gained back 15 pounds and I am actually going back on Keto.Dear Flash, that's so very interesting and inspiring to read. It underscores for me that a keto diet has to be (a) intelligent and (b) very well thought-out, with (c) full awareness engaged.

It's not a formulaic thing (you can't just copy someone else's to-do list), and what works fine for one person may not work so well for another. (Not at all!)

~~~

With that in mind, here's what I just discovered literally a few minutes ago. I glanced at myself in the mirror (something I actually don't often do) — and I look terrible. :ROFL: Not a joke. I really look quite sick. I'm not even going to share a photo of my whole face. :P

But here's a close-up of my right eye.... it's developed something that looks like a bruise, but I never hurt myself, and it's not in any way sensitive. I have no idea what this is, or how it happened, but I'm pretty sure it's new as of today. And it can't possibly be a good thing. :worried:

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Bill's_right_eye.jpg

Not good at all Bill, get a blood test asap. I am thinking of 2 things: a bad mosquito bite or something similar, or a veins/blood disease. But I would not wait too long if it does not get brown within days (a bruise going away). As we age, our veins and arteries system gets weaker and fragile, and we have a greater tendency to bruise. We also have a greater tendency to get stuff like a lack of vital vitamins, leukemia, etc.

As a humorous thinking, I did not know you were married and that she was a rolling pin after your 'walks' in the wilderness (for those literal minds, I made this up)

[Harmony]

Just having a quick look on line, there are quite a few posts about people on a keto diet developing temporary dark circles under their eyes. It is probably a bit of an overload on your organs when things get a bit out of balance with the nutrition they may have lacked temporarily. It is so amazing how everything normally functions energetically with thousands of things happening automatically every second, like a well oiled engine. Nurture yourself with easy to absorb elemental nutrients now and your fresh water too, a little at a time.

[Agape]

It may have lots to do with Sun and computer exposure Bill and as Flash said, venal membranes getting frail due to age and physical strain so definitely better stay home for a while.

It "looks fine" no worries unless your eye was also hurt but definitely requires eye rest. The UV is high up there.

There's only one serious danger and that could be some kind of brain aneurysm in process trying to leak out, due to combination of factors , BP in our heads (due to overwork and light exposure, insufficient oxygen saturation ) is times different than body blood pressure.

You've taken more problems on you in this life than one can carry.

There may be time to take rest "from everyone" including electronics .

You have Admins and Moderators who will take care of the forum for a while , no "Goddy" onboard.

As a responsible mountain climber you know you need to take care of yourself first.

You also know that people on the internet may not be help you immediately in emergency and that self care comes first.

We all love you and respect you and can wait till you get better.

🙏🏼🪷✨

[Bill Ryan]

It may have lots to do with Sun and computer exposure Bill and as Flash said, venal membranes getting frail due to age and physical strain so definitely better stay home for a while.

It "looks fine" no worries unless your eye was also hurt but definitely requires eye rest. The UV is high up there.Yes, super-high and off the scale. Here's the chart for today: (I'm in one of the '13' areas, and it's probably 16 or 17 up in the high mountains)

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/UV_levels_11_Sept_2024.jpg

But I wear the best quality UV mountain glasses all the time, plus my wide-brimmed leather hat when it's sunny — though it has to be possible it's some kind of accumulated effect.

I'm applying arnica cream to see if that helps. And I'm going back to my regular healthy diet straight away. :) (I only tried the BBBE thing out of sheer curiosity having heard about it... this is how I learn stuff. In my own case this time, I learned never again. :P)

[Bill Ryan]

And here's a selfie taken just a moment ago. Last night I looked really quite sick, and I rather shocked myself. :ROFL: This morning, I don't look too bad — though my eyes are both still a little puffy.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Bill_selfie_11_Sept_2024.jpg

~~~
Important footnote! I don't want this thread to become all about me. :P Flash's great-news personal report yesterday (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89036-A-major-key-to-a-long-and-healthy-life-fasting-or-a-ketogenic-diet&p=1633200&viewfull=1#post1633200) was both important and inspiring, and it may be a MUST-READ for many considering using the keto diet to fix all kinds of things, which I fully believe it can.

My recent posts have all been about the experimental BBBE (beef, butter, bacon, eggs) protocol, which is such a simplified and crude keto diet that (in my current thinking) it surely has limitations and maybe even dangers for some.

[Dennis Leahy]

I sent the following as an email to Bill, and he thought it may be helpful to others, so I'm posting it here:


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Hi Bill,

I saw your eye picture and will offer my nutritional thoughts:

Nutrients for blood vessels. Vitamin C and especially bioflavonoids for capillary wall strength.

You probably already have your mineral supplements figured out (zinc, magnesium, selenium, iodine,...), but do you supplement copper? Copper is a weird one, in that it competes with zinc. I was told (neurologist) not to supplement copper because copper can get too high and cause problems. He said just eat copper rich food. Another opinion (Naturopath) says to take them both in a ratio of 12:1, zinc to copper. Copper is required for healthy blood vessels.

I don't supplement calcium (after seeing calcium deposits in my arteries on an X-ray, I figure I get plenty, and I also now take K2.) I have read that men shouldn't supplement iron, so I don't. I eat 3 Brazil nuts every day as my selenium "supplement."

I'm also trying to put lotion on my skin frequently, but I usually forget - it just was never a habit for me. But, it's one of the things that is said to plump-up the skin cells and make the skin a bit more resilient. A lotion especially for faces will probably contain hyaluronic acid.

Like you, I rarely look in the mirror, but when I do I'm kinda shocked at how old I look, and it's my skin and not just gray hair. When I do look in the mirror it's a reminder to put on face lotion. (I also need some activated cannabis oil to put on a couple of "pre-cancerous" patches.)

And, I have started taking "Bovine Collagen Peptides Powder" to try to strengthen my skin. (My skin has become thin, "friable", but the bruising from lightly bumping things I suspect is internal - weak capillary walls.)

For vitamins affecting blood vessels, my first thought is B-12. It's hard to take too much B-12. Vitamin K2 takes the calcium out of your blood and deposits it on bone where it belongs, but I doubt that is your issue right now. K2, Vitamin D, and magnesium work in synergy. In the distant past, I thought vitamin D was just for strong bones, the cure for rickets. But so much information has come out on vitamin D in immunity and endocrine functions and skin health. I was taking 5000 IU, but recently doubled that to 10K and will take 20K a day if I'm around known sick people.

I take vitamin E (in the form of tocotrenols) occasionally, not daily. I don't supplement vitamins A or K1, thinking I get enough in food.

Other obvious things: water and sleep. You've been at altitude for a long time, but maybe the long-term effects of altitude are cumulative? The magnetic pole movement allows more particles of every kind coming from space or the sun to hit us, so your radiation level has increased.

I hope some of these thoughts will be helpful and if nothing else, I am commiserating and sending my intention that you get back to vibrant health as soon as possible.

My very best to you, Bill!

Dennis

[Agape]

Ha Bill, yes you look better and younger than 15 years ago and before you moved to Ecuador.

High Sun is a menace of our times. Our UV at 2000 meters above sea level is regularly at 10 or 11 on clear sky days which is a lot and its dangerous for eyes even with dark or Polaroid sunshades because eyes overheat behind them.

The higher you walk here the air gets cleaner and pollution free so also easier to breathe.

Whatever helps . I do not use crams or sunscreens or any kinds of oils , just exceptionally or topically in case of injuries. In which case they seem to work or not but things either heal better without them or get worse "after application".

In risk of sounding ridiculous here but I don't use supplements, not even herbs because I've repeatedly figured out they're "game" and waste of money and the effects are rarely really worth it.

So yes perhaps a key to healthy selves is abstinence from overfeed aka fasting :) So practising more abstinence than indulgence or experimenting seems to work the best.

I don't miss that part of experience in life since my mum was in the specialised medical field and herself complicated case so we have tried whatever naturopathy on professional level aside of her clinical treatments.

To make you all laugh ( I'm a happy person ) I consider an egg kind of "sacred item". For all its beauty and all it represents.

My feed is so limited :) But I pick the egg I choose ( by one) and keep it for a bit then decide whether to eat it, actually.

I'm too "funny" to be with for most people I dare to say.


Glad you have got back on track ...

When unwell I do not recommend walking. Not even "down the mountain" or anything similar. Perhaps especially not down the mountain. If there's any kind of inflammation the physical heat produced by activity makes it much worse.
It's better to rest and wait till inflammation subsides.


Of course I fear I would not be objective in my sincere advice over the distance so better to leave you safe with people who can assist actually.


Bestest ( the very best wishes for speedy recovery)

🙏🏼

[Bill Ryan]

An update, for anyone following the (very minor! :P) mystery about what the heck happened to me after just 2 days of the BBBE diet.

I can't prove this, and I'm not going to invest in a bunch of blood tests, but I'm increasingly suspecting that what I encountered was very mild protein toxicity. That's a real thing, and when it's NOT mild, it can be very serious, developing into dangerous poisoning.

One of the key aspects of any keto diet is including a LOT of fat. I was fully aware of this, but I'm now thinking I might have been short of fat in my BBBE experience.

When talking to my body yesterday and today about what happened, it kept on telling me that it had too much protein to process, couldn't cope, and was knocked way out of balance. (That's why it was "begging me to stop", and it really was.)

Since I stopped the BBBE, I've had almost no protein at all — only sips of milk and some yogurt. No meat, eggs or even nuts. The dark patch under my right eye is rapidly fading, I went on another 2 hour mountain hike today, was energetic throughout, and I feel great again.

Here's an article that might be useful to some: :thumbsup:

How Much Protein on Keto: 5 Common Mistakes People Make on a Keto Diet (https://orgain.com/blogs/blogs/how-much-protein-on-keto)

[Flash]

An update, for anyone following the (very minor! :P) mystery about what the heck happened to me after just 2 days of the BBBE diet.

I can't prove this, and I'm not going to invest in a bunch of blood tests, but I'm increasingly suspecting that what I encountered was very mild protein toxicity. That's a real thing, and when it's NOT mild, it can be very serious, developing into dangerous poisoning.

One of the key aspects of any keto diet is including a LOT of fat. I was fully aware of this, but I'm now thinking I might have been short of fat in my BBBE experience.

When talking to my body yesterday and today about what happened, it kept on telling me that it had too much protein to process, couldn't cope, and was knocked way out of balance. (That's why it was "begging me to stop", and it really was.)

Since I stopped the BBBE, I've had almost no protein at all — only sips of milk and some yogurt. No meat, eggs or even nuts. The dark patch under my right eye is rapidly fading, I went on another 2 hour mountain hike today, was energetic throughout, and I feel great again.

Here's an article that might be useful to some: :thumbsup:

How Much Protein on Keto: 5 Common Mistakes People Make on a Keto Diet (https://orgain.com/blogs/blogs/how-much-protein-on-keto)

you are entirely right, the amount of fat intake has to be larger in caloric count than the amount of proteins. For this, I have fat in coffee, or take a cup of home made bio chicken broth adding salted herbs for taste and electrolytes at night. I am not hyper steady, but steady enough. I also eat lots of berries with cream 35% please. Fat cuts the hunger and also, although counter intuitive, accelerate weight loss.

I am happy your body is back on track. We should always do what is best for our individual needs. And did I need to lose weight (that was gained mainly under extreme stress = cortisol high levels, for more than 15 years).

[leavesoftrees]

And here's a selfie taken just a moment ago. Last night I looked really quite sick, and I rather shocked myself. :ROFL: This morning, I don't look too bad — though my eyes are both still a little puffy.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Bill_selfie_11_Sept_2024.jpg

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Bags under the eyes can indicate that the kidneys are working overtime - possibly from too much protein. When I first heard of the BBBE diet I wondered how good it would be to eat too much bacon. - the nitrites used as part of the bacon processing - can be carcinogenic

[Bill Ryan]

Bags under the eyes can indicate that the kidneys are working overtime - possibly from too much protein. When I first heard of the BBBE diet I wondered how good it would be to eat too much bacon. - the nitrites used as part of the bacon processing - can be carcinogenicYou're 100% right. I promise everyone I'm not getting self-obsessed about this! :P But it feels like such important learning to share.

Below (on the right) is another selfie taken 48 hours later, just a few minutes ago. You can see the difference. I've not edited the image at all.

In the last 72 hours I've had almost no protein, no meat, eggs, cheese or nuts — just a little milk and yogurt. (And I don't want any, either.) I feel great, and the bags under my eyes are almost gone.

https://avalonlibrary.net/Bill/Bill_selfie_comparison_11-13_Sept_2024.jpg

[Abondance]

I tried the keto diet a few years ago, I didn't last more than a few weeks, too sickening...
And it didn't do me a lot of good, but I know an athlete who followed him for a full year with good results.
The intermittent fasting, on the other hand, that I've been testing for a few days, gives me a lot of energy and is not really restrictive... It's up to everyone to find their balance, take care of yourself Bill :)

[Sirus]

Like Flash said, you need more fat.
It you were to look into the carnivore diet community, they would also advise this, as can I from personal experience.

Unfortunately, as tasty as bacon is there is usually added salt and sugar, even from local farm shop suppliers as this aids the curing process.

[RunningDeer]

I began with a low carb, protein diet 5+ weeks ago. Three days in, I cut out all carbs. For now, I’m experimenting with the carnivore diet, i.e. plant free lifestyle. It is suggested to give it at least 3-6 months.

The biggest change already is the pain in my lower back is almost gone. It’s from an old injury from lifting a heavy air conditioner in the spring and fall seasons.

The goal is to remove all inflammation in my body. Based on when I get out of bed in the morning, I can say it’s working. I now know the aches and stiffness isn’t so much age related nor too much exercise. It’s the food choices.

My latest bit of knowledge is if you’re allergic to eggs then eat only the egg yoke. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that it did the trick. For some, it’s the opposite. They do best with only the egg whites.

Typically, I eat two meals a day. Every now and again I’ll have a third. I’m most excited that I don’t have any thoughts or desire for snacks hours before bed nor cravings for carbs at all.



"Plants as living organisms, want to live and have offspring and just like most living species they don’t want to die. Unlike animals, plants cannot run from predators. Instead, they have developed sophisticated mechanisms to ensure predators stay away. Because they are stuck in place and at the mercy of predators, they have developed ways of generating toxins that signal predators to back off. For example, deadly nightshades cause paralysis and eventually paralyzes the heart to stop beating."

~ by Judy Cho, BCHN, FNTP, Chapter 4: Plant Toxins and Antinutrients, page 50-51. The Complete Carnivore Diet for Beginners (https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Carnivore-Diet-Beginners-Practical/dp/0760382832/ref=sr_1_1?crid=38ARNNMJLX3L1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.yOhJMXeKZYE2RtWDeq_AmoAILEenkHvC_agQlshQ7za1d0WG4WepoqQtv23eWnf31caeX6VMfs4lLLLIq6g 6JJywv7lRlc5zqs7-PB17Vfs.-dutpQFCUCN0yHxM-RUBO_Vxs7HqgC2nBXHvOCTLti8&dib_tag=se&keywords=The+Complete+Carnivore+Diet+for+Beginners:+Your+Practical+Guide+to+an+All-Meat+Lifestyle&qid=1733578545&sprefix=the+complete+carnivore+diet+for+beginners+your+practical+guide+to+an+all-meat+lifestyle,aps,122&sr=8-1): Your Practical Guide to an All-Meat Lifestyle. Also author of The Carnivore Cure, 2020 (https://www.amazon.com/Carnivore-Cure-Ultimate-Elimination-Optimal-ebook/dp/B08FH455LD?ref_=ast_author_mpb).


Youtube Resources:

Nutrition with Judy (https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionwithJudy/videos) (Judy Cho, BCHN, FNTP)
Ken Berry, MD (https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos)
Kelly Hogan - myzerocarblife (https://www.youtube.com/@myzerocarblife/videos)
Laura Spath (https://www.youtube.com/@LauraSpath/videos)
Carnivore Diet - HomeSteadHow (https://www.youtube.com/@Homesteadhow/videos)



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I purchased this book by Judy Cho. It's a simple read and includes helpful charts, diagrams, suggestions and photos. Her YouTube channel is Nutrition with Judy (https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionwithJudy/videos).



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Summary (https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Carnivore-Diet-Beginners-Practical/dp/0760382832/ref=sr_1_1?crid=38ARNNMJLX3L1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.yOhJMXeKZYE2RtWDeq_AmoAILEenkHvC_agQlshQ7za1d0WG4WepoqQtv23eWnf31caeX6VMfs4lLLLIq6g 6JJywv7lRlc5zqs7-PB17Vfs.-dutpQFCUCN0yHxM-RUBO_Vxs7HqgC2nBXHvOCTLti8&dib_tag=se&keywords=The+Complete+Carnivore+Diet+for+Beginners:+Your+Practical+Guide+to+an+All-Meat+Lifestyle&qid=1733578545&sprefix=the+complete+carnivore+diet+for+beginners+your+practical+guide+to+an+all-meat+lifestyle,aps,122&sr=8-1):
The Complete Carnivore Diet for Beginners is the definitive carnivore starter guide. Informative and approachable. No dogma. Just a practical template for success.

The carnivore diet is surging in popularity. And while its contrarian tenets may fly in the face of conventional nutritional recommendations, millions of people, and emerging research, are showing it to be a healing nutritional template, when done correctly. If you are new to the carnivore diet, this is your go-to resource for doing it safely and sustainably.

In this accessible guide, board-certified holistic nutritionist Judy Cho covers the “why” of carnivore eating with well-referenced scientific information on the pitfalls of modern plant-based diets and how animal-based eating can support health, disease amelioration, and, contrary to popular belief, nutrient density.

You’ll learn how to successfully implement a carnivore lifestyle, including:

Levels of carnivore eating
Meal plans
Starter recipes
How to deal with transition symptoms


Unlike competing books, which are heavy tomes dense on text, The Complete Carnivore Diet For Beginners gives you information in simple, engaging, easily understood graphics, sidebars, FAQs, and chapter summaries.

Combining science-supported nutritional protocol and practical application, this is the must-have beginner’s guide to animal-based eating.

[RunningDeer]

Nina Teicholz: "Now, I write with Gary Tabbs another journalist and we are just trying to do what should be in nutrition journalism everywhere. Which is bringing kind of investigative critical mind to science, the politics, the finances and funding behind some of these dietary recommendations. We're trying to pull back the curtain on what our food nutrition landscape looks like. I've been in this field now for over a decade."


Nina Teicholz: "I put out a call on Twitter for carnivore women. I had hundreds of responses. What I learned was there's a lot of very sick women over 40. Most of them came to carnivore not because they're trying to look good in a muscle T-shirt but because they're really really sick. The list of health conditions is incredible. What people are dealing with are autoimmune condition, skin conditions, all kinds bone joint pain, a long list of IBS issues.

I listed all of the conditions that people who had responded to my Twitter call and they said they had resolved them and in some cases very quickly on carnivore diet. Things you would never think were associated with diet ever. Like somebody said their vertigo has gone. I mean things that just don't even seem related to diet, so that was a revelation to me.

Then I went back to look at the origins of the carnivore movement and it turns out that is also dominated by women. The earliest carnivore online message forum board was in 2007-2008. Most of the moderators and the people in that group were women who had were unable to lose weight on low-carb and we're looking to figure out how to lose weight or resolve health conditions."



Is Carnivore a Right-Wing Toxic Masculinity Diet? – Nina Teicholz (1:05:00)





June 25, 2024
Nutrition with Judy (https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionwithJudy)

Nina and I talk about women's involvement in the carnivore movement, health risks associated with seed oils, and much more. Make sure to listen to the full interview to learn more.

Nina Teicholz, PhD, is a renowned investigative science journalist and New York Times best-selling author. With a profound commitment to reshaping our understanding of dietary fats, her seminal work, The Big Fat Surprise, challenges decades of conventional wisdom regarding the health impacts of saturated fats and the efficacy of low-fat diets. Teicholz's rigorous investigation reveals the complex interplay of science and politics that has shaped dietary guidelines, urging a reevaluation of nutritional norms that have long been taken for granted.
METaBVLsRwE



0:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=0s) Intro
1:39 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=99s) All about Nina Teicholz
4:33 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=273s) Discussion on her recent carnivore diet article
6:19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=379s) Women's involvement in the carnivore movement
11:02 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=662s) Media portrayal of the carnivore diet
22:16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=1336s) Addressing carnivore diet misinformation
28:13 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=1693s) Findings from B12 studies
32:11 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=1931s) Health benefits of a low-carb diet
35:36 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=2136s) Comparison of seed oils and saturated
50:57 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=3057s) Efforts to revise dietary guidelines
59:22 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=3562s) Supporting nutritional advocacy movements
1:02:58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=METaBVLsRwE&t=3778s) Where to find Nina Teicholz

[Vangelo]

...
The biggest change already is the pain in my lower back is almost gone.
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The goal is to remove all inflammation in my body. Based on when I get out of bed in the morning, I can say it’s working. I now know the aches and stiffness isn’t so much age related nor too much exercise. It’s the food choices.
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This is exactly my experience as well. In particular, eating wheat based foods and highly processed foods of any kind cause significant body pain that I too thought was caused by age and injury. Potatoes and rice also cause inflammation but not as quickly or severely. NOTE: I have been tested and I am not a celiac.

For those of you who want to see if this is true for you, I can tell you what I did. I got my carbs below 60 gms / day for about a week or 2 (not an easy task). This resulted in significant pain relief. Then, any time I ate wheat based foods and/or highly processed foods of any kind, my pain would return the next day.

Hope this helps.

[Bill Ryan]

Mod note from Bill:

I've merged this with the longer thread titled A major key to a long and healthy life: fasting or a ketogenic diet (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89036-A-major-key-to-a-long-and-healthy-life-fasting-or-a-ketogenic-diet), as the issues discussed overlap almost completely. Both threads contain a great deal of good information (which I can vouch for personally :muscle:) and so this new combined thread is now a most valuable single information source for everyone.

:focus:

[RunningDeer]

Is Carnivore a Right-Wing Toxic Masculinity Diet?





UPDATE: This is another passage from the video above (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89036-A-major-key-to-a-long-and-healthy-life-fasting-or-a-ketogenic-diet&p=1645500&viewfull=1#post1645500) and Nina Teicholz’s book: “The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet” where she’s made references to the topic in the video.



Nina Teicholz: "Products like Weston oil and corn oil, they were marketed for their cholesterol lowering powers. It was like, “Ask your doctor to tell you about vegetables oil” like it was a medical prescription. And that was very intense in the 60s and the 70s.

So why does trading out saturated fat for vegetables lower your your total cholesterol? And then it was your LDL cholesterol? That’s because plant oils or vegetable oils are more properly known as seed oils, they contain what is it called? They contain Fido sterile… I forget the word, but it actually replaces the cholesterol in your cell wall. Which is not good for the cells because your cell walls need to be stable and fluid . But these plant oils actually replaced cholesterol and that's why they lower it. That’s why it comes out lower in the readings when your doctor measures them. So they're just getting rid of the cholesterol in your body.

Cholesterol is a complex molecule. It's involved in so many hormonal reactions in your body. They’re the foundation for your many performance including sex hormones. So we're not functioning properly as humans if we're not having adequate cholesterol or not producing enough cholesterol or trying to lower our cholesterol.

One of the things that I found that was found in clinical trials is that the people who lowered their cholesterol, and these are large clinical trials, the people who lower their cholesterol by lowering their saturated fat and replacing it with vegetable oils, consistently died at higher rates from cancer. So that's clinical trial evidence, really the most rigorous kind of interventional level evidence that we have and it shows that lowering cholesterol causes cancer. There's multiple side effects from giving up natural whole saturated fats.

Saturated fats are the only fats that existed in cooking or eating before really until the 1900s. We mainly used butter and lard, and then tallow and suet. those were the fat that we cooked and we ate. So really we created the system where we called saturated fat bad and seed oil is good. And the reality as I discovered in the course of my decade of research is that it was just the reverse. That was true. That we have really, really messed up on what are good healthy fats and what are bad fats."


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Nina Teicholz, 2015




Summary (https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624433/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1PR4JZ6C8TJ5I&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.wO-JQhDi1PtKw0FvMv1DtNJSxPDypkXNIMMqI9oEVf0KlvaDxHvMLspDr5ylIOrF9bzj2OIUwFoSAs_FT5YYzkeVIljJebiiyYFWHrW PHhTiM3k8W9tTDi-ZnbFdQG89xLQm-QN5yrxYDj1DqA4Nfw9rpSt3J2uqt66gwJIkvOgre-sy9JLt1tXld4fbzGDCocCMlk9uw18hAP4PlPHibLrjMgrAVHn1ohtmKHW_1zc.k8RE8mttQ7GVKW5OLzhFMB-0NG_UZeteNR4iymHYeGA&dib_tag=se&keywords=nina+teicholz+books&qid=1733688411&sprefix=Nina+Teicholz,aps,112&sr=8-1):





A New York Times bestseller
Named one of The Economist’s Books of the Year 2014
Named one of The Wall Street Journal’s Top Ten Best Nonfiction Books of 2014
Kirkus Reviews Best Nonfiction Books of 2014
Forbes’s Most Memorable Healthcare Book of 2014


In The Big Fat Surprise, investigative journalist Nina Teicholz reveals the unthinkable: that everything we thought we knew about dietary fat is wrong. She documents how the low-fat nutrition advice of the past sixty years has amounted to a vast uncontrolled experiment on the entire population, with disastrous consequences for our health.

For decades, we have been told that the best possible diet involves cutting back on fat, especially saturated fat, and that if we are not getting healthier or thinner it must be because we are not trying hard enough. But what if the low-fat diet is itself the problem? What if the very foods we’ve been denying ourselves—the creamy cheeses, the sizzling steaks—are themselves the key to reversing the epidemics of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease?

In this captivating, vibrant, and convincing narrative, based on a nine-year-long investigation, Teicholz shows how the misinformation about saturated fats took hold in the scientific community and the public imagination, and how recent findings have overturned these beliefs. She explains why the Mediterranean Diet is not the healthiest, and how we might be replacing trans fats with something even worse. This startling history demonstrates how nutrition science has gotten it so wrong: how overzealous researchers, through a combination of ego, bias, and premature institutional consensus, have allowed dangerous misrepresentations to become dietary dogma.

With eye-opening scientific rigor, The Big Fat Surprise upends the conventional wisdom about all fats with the groundbreaking claim that more, not less, dietary fat—including saturated fat—is what leads to better health and wellness. Science shows that we have been needlessly avoiding meat, cheese, whole milk, and eggs for decades and that we can now, guilt-free, welcome these delicious foods back into our lives.

[onawah]

Dietary requirements for ongoing health depend on individual body type according to two ancient systems, Ayurvedic and Chinese Traditional.
Both make dietary recommendations for each type, and are worthy of consideration, imho.
See:https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/ayurvedic-diet#the-diet
Traditional Chinese Medicine (though it was banned by Mao during the "Cultural Revolution") is similar to Ayurvedic.
See: https://tcmblog.co.uk/5-elements-diet-chinese-medicine/

[RunningDeer]

81 year old, Mary Fields shares her 5 years on a carnivore diet.




Mary Fields: "I had just got out of the hospital. I've been there for AFib (Atrial fibrillation is a type of arrhythmia, or irregular heartbeat, that affects the upper chambers of the heart) and I thought well, I’ve tried everything else. I might as well try this. Which at the time was quite a paradigm shift for me because I had been vegetarian. I had been vegan. I was all about plants. I was all about organic. And I believe that if you ate meat that you could get cancer because it would make your body acidic.

I was struggling with depression and systemic candida. Some of those things cleared up for me but all this other stuff was still going on after 35 years trying to figure out what was wrong with me. So I decided in desperation to do carnivore. And I was very, very amazed at the results that happened within a matter of three months. And over a period of three months, the eczema totally disappeared. The hypertension disappeared, and no more AFib and the other symptoms. I started having healing in my gut, so it progressed really nicely.

Now the healing process in some things like my digestion, and other things took a little more time. In other words, everything didn't happen all at once. And I wasn’t really sure if that had to do with my age or if it was just the fact that it was taking my body longer to heal because I had always had many of the symptoms that I was experiencing, I had most of my life."

Carnivore and Beyond – The Truth about Healing the Mind, Body and Spirit (1:30:00)




June 30, 2024
Nutrition with Judy (https://www.youtube.com/@NutritionwithJudy/videos)

Mary and I talk about the health updates she has experienced in the last year and a half, her spirituality, and her views on health and wellness for older adults. We also delve into what it means to have a purposeful life, and the importance of setting boundaries. Make sure to listen to the full interview to learn more.

Mary Fields is a dedicated carnivore diet advocate who has experienced significant health improvements by following this regimen. With a background marked by overcoming numerous autoimmune symptoms, Mary has become an inspiration for many seeking natural healing methods. Her journey is deeply intertwined with her spirituality, making her story both unique and compelling.

Click here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA) for links discussed.

YZigkJ3wJZA



0:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=0s) Intro
2:27 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=147s) Mary’s update since her last interview
11:55 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=715s) Mary's cardiologist supports her carnivore diet
15:50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=950s) Incorporating dairy into her carnivore diet
20:40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=1240s) Experience with sugar addiction and overcoming it
27:05 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=1625s) The importance of inner work in healing
44:26 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=2666s) How our thoughts and words affect our health
54:47 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=3287s) Judy discusses finding purpose and serving others
1:04:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=3894s) Forged in the Crucible of Life book
1:09:49 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=4189s) The role of faith in overcoming life’s challenges
1:18:14 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=4694s) Tips for older adults transitioning to a carnivore diet
1:27:19 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZigkJ3wJZA&t=5239s) Where to find Mary Fields

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Animal Fat Makes Woman Lose Weight with Kelly Hogan (14 yrs. carnivore)





KenDBerryMD (https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos)
Kelly Hogan (https://www.youtube.com/@myzerocarblife/videos)

Kelly Hogan struggled with weight her entire life. At age 25, she suffered from frequent boils and cellulitis, weighed 262 pounds, and was at a loss of what more to do. Her family physician saved her life by telling her to avoid carbs and to eat meat.

She lost 130 pounds, was able to conceive and deliver three children. Her mission for the past 14 years has been to share the same message that was shared with her by her doctor and to offer hope to those that suffer from inflammation, sugar addiction, obesity, and diet-related illnesses.


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Dr. Robert Lustig, M.D.

Get the insulin down any way you can. More insulin more fat. It’s just that simple.
People consume high fructose corn syrup because they eat ultra processed food.The same for corn syrup and sucrose. It's table sugar, maple syrup, agave or honey. There are five caloric sweeteners and all of them have the fructose molecule.
73% of the items in the American grocery store have been spiked with added sugar. It accounts for 58% of the sugar or diet in ultra processed food.


Eat HIGH FAT: Get Rid Of Insulin Resistance Once & For All



The Primal Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@ThePrimal.Podcast/videos)
422K subscribers
January 12, 2024

My guest is Dr. Robert Lustig, M.D., neuroendocrinologist, professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco (UCSF), and a bestselling author on nutrition and metabolic health. We discuss how to fix insulin resistance, the 3 ways you can become insulin resistant, and nutritional protocols to fix insulin resistance without medications.

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Timestamps:

0:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=0s) Intro
2:45 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=165s) Insulin resistance prevalence
08:45 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=525s) How insulin gets elevated in the body
21:40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=1300s) Dr Robert Lustig's interest in metabolic health
35:33 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=2133s) Sugar + fructose causes insulin resistance
36:57 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=2217s) Fruit juice & fruit with insulin resistance
39:48 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=2388s) Diet sodas
42:16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=2536s) The calories debate on metabolic health
45:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=2730s) Tool: What to eat to fix insulin resistance
49:31 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=2971s) Tool: High-fat diet to fix insulin resistance
53:50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=3230s) Tool: Eat these fats to fix insulin resistance
01:00:24 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=3624s) Seeds oils & insulin resistance
01:06:02 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=3962s) Tool: Carbohydrates & insulin resistance
01:08:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=4134s) Fiber
01:16:25 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=4585s) Tool: Common signs of insulin resistance
01:17:51 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=4671s) Tool: Fasting insulin levels
01:18:43 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=4723s) Find Dr Robert Lustig
01:19:13 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKVe4zkzK6Q&t=4753s) Free guide to fix insulin resistance with link

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Eating FAT To Lose Weight (38 seconds)




Carnivore really helps people with weight loss.

How in the world do you lose weight eating all the fat that comes on the meat in a carnivore diet? The truth of the matter is that eating fat does not make you fat.

We know definitely that the way you get fat is by eating high carbohydrate foods repetitively on a daily basis for months and months and years and years, having chronic hyperglycemia (high blood sugar) and then chronic hyperinsulinemia to control the blood sugar. If your insulin level is too high, too often, for too long then you absolutely are not allowed to burn the stored fat in your adipocytes (the fat cells).


KenDBerryMD (https://www.youtube.com/@KenDBerryMD/videos)
3.43 Million subscribers


Evidence-Based Nutrition + Ancestral Health
Author of (https://www.amazon.com/Lies-My-Doctor-Told-Second-dp-1974810704/dp/1974810704/ref=dp_ob_title_bk) “Lies My Doctor Told Me Second Edition: Medical Myths That Can Harm Your Health,” 2019


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Hyperinsulinemia

Hyperinsulinemia is a condition where the amount of insulin in your blood is higher than normal. Insulin is a hormone produced by the pancreas that regulates blood sugar levels. 

Hyperinsulinemia is often associated with type 2 diabetes, but it's not diabetes on its own. It can be caused by a number of metabolic conditions and diseases, as well as non-nutritive sugars in the diet. 

Over time, high insulin levels can lead to:

High blood pressure (hypertension)
Weight gain
High cholesterol
Hardening of the arteries (atherosclerosis)
Increased risk of heart attack and stroke

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FAT: A Documentary | Health & Wellness | Weight Loss |

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Ancel Keys was famous for something called ”The Seven Country Study.” This is where he went and study seven different countries and came up with this hypothesis as to how we're supposed to eat based on correlation. Ancel Keys is the one who proposed what he called “The Diet Heart Hypothesis,” and that was that saturated fat and dietary cholesterol would give you a heart attack. Especially saturated fat like hot oil down a cold stove pipe. It would just clog up your arteries and give you a heart attack.

The problem was he cherry picked these countries that fit what he was trying to hypothesize.He set out to prove that more calories you got the better chance of getting heart disease. It seemed like a straight line between the lease fat consume and the most fat consumed with the US at the top. The only problem was Keys studied 22 country and if you factor in all of those countries, the results are all over the place. He just took the countries that prove that fat causes heart disease. This study made Keys the temporary savior of the medical community and therefore the world. Such that he was able to get onto the American Association Nutrition Committee and he turned the whole association around in one year and got them in 1961 to recommend that all Americans restrict saturated fat and cholesterol in their diet in order to fight heart disease.



”Dietary fats and its Relation to Heart Attacks and Strokes, most person in the United States, who are overweight, will find profitable to reduce their total caloric intake reducing the amount of fat in the diet is one way to do this. In addition to the possibility that atherosclerosis will be prevented, obesity will certainly be controlled.”

This is the first advice anywhere in the world, telling people not eat saturated, fat and cholesterol to fight heart attacks. That’s like the beginning of it all. That is what just blossom, bloomed, grew into the giant oak tree of advice that we have now.

We have no credible evidence to say that saturated fat causes heart disease, and that sounds crazy to say when you look at our government guidelines and our dietary guidelines, but there is no high-level credible evidence to show that saturated that causes heart disease.


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FAT: A Documentary | Health & Wellness | Weight Loss





Gravitas Documentaries (https://www.youtube.com/@gravitasdocumentaries/videos)
March, 2023

FAT tells the far-fetched but completely true history of how our country became so unhealthy. In 1970, just over 1.5 million people had been diagnosed with Diabetes in the United States. Now over 30 million have Diabetes.

What's even more alarming is that 100 million people, 1 in 3, have Diabetes or are Pre-Diabetic. This is not to mention the 40% of the population that is obese.

"How is this possible with the non-stop flow of new diets, exercise machines and our general obsession with health and weight loss? " We're as unhealthy as ever.

The truth is that we have pretty much had everything completely upside-down and backward. FAT traces a detailed history spanning 150 years to show how misinformation and outright lies have become “truth.”



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Fix Visceral Fat & Lose Weight FAST (61 Proven Tips) | Dr Eric Berg



Dr. Eric Berg DC (https://www.youtube.com/@Drberg)
13.5 M subscribers
June 7, 2025

Dr. Berg explains that reducing insulin is the key to weight loss and burning fat. Visible belly fat is linked to visceral fat and liver fat, but focusing on reducing insulin can produce results in as little as two weeks. Learn more about insulin resistance and low-carb diets for weight loss.
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Timestamps:
00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y) Intro
02:42 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=162s) Weight loss linked to insulin resistance
04:04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=244s) Losing weight and ketosis
04:50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=290s) Calories and weight loss
07:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=450s) 4 types of fat (2 are bad)
15:58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=958s) Dr Berg's success stories
23:50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=1430s) Dr Berg's health story
29:52 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=1792s) 5 things to avoid to burn fat
43:07 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=2587s) Tool: Fasting for weight loss + fix visceral fat
50:03 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=3003s) Tool: High-fat diet to lose weight and burn fat
53:01 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=3181s) Tool: Protein, how much do you really need
55:27 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=3327s) #1 food to burn fat and lose weight
59:33 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=3573s) Do carbs block fat loss?
01:00:38 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=3638s) 7 'healthy' foods to avoid
01:06:27 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=3987s) Best foods/ drinks to lose weight
01:18:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=4680s) Tool: Best exercise for weight loss
01:23:31 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=5011s) Dr Berg's best weight loss tip
01:24:33 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-47_ouk84Y&t=5073s) Watch next, Dr Paul Mason

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Fix Your Heart & Inflammation | Eat Cholesterol & Saturated Fat





The Primal Podcast (https://www.youtube.com/@ThePrimal.Podcast/videos)
489K subscribers
June 28, 2025

Eat more saturated fat and cholesterol to fix your heart and inflammation with Nina Teicholz. Head to gocarnivore.com (https://www.gocarnivore.com/) to start Carnivore with medical support.

Nina Teicholz will explain why butter, red meat, and cheese are healthy, and why you need cholesterol to lower inflammation. We’ve been told to avoid saturated fat, red meat, and butter based on poor advice that wasn’t rooted in science. Nina has spent her career studying the dietary guidelines and will explain why a high-fat ketogenic diet is the most evidence-based nutrition protocol to fix inflammation, heart disease, and insulin resistance.

Nina’s Book ‘The Big Fat Surprise (https://amzn.to/44ye2Ai)’

Episode Notes (https://journals.lww.com/co-endocrinology/fulltext/2023/02000/a_short_history_of_saturated_fat__the_making_and.10.aspx): A short history of saturated fat: the making and unmaking of a scientific consensus.
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Timestamps:
00:00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw) Intro
01:21 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=81s) Does saturated fat cause chronic disease and inflammation?
03:30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=210s) Red meat + heart disease
08:44 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=524s) Red meat + cancer risk
13:06 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=786s) Eating saturated fat makes you fat
15:12 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=912s) Dr Nina Teicholz - former vegetarian
18:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=1134s) Why we believe saturated fat is unhealthy
26:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=1614s) How low-fat, high-carb diets affect everyone
30:35 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=1835s) Who is on the USDA committee
35:01 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=2101s) Are carbohydrates healthy for a metabolically inflexible person?
39:58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=2398s) The Sugar Diet
43:04 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=2584s) Tool: Best diet to reverse chronic disease, heart disease
48:11 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=2891s) Where is the evidence - subgroups
53:01 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=3181s) Dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol
57:09 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=3429s) Best saturated fats to lower inflammation
01:04:54 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=3894s) Is fibre required for optimal health
01:06:44 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=4004s) Nina's best advice
01:09:03 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO6rzz5afpw&t=4143s) Find Nina Teicholz

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Dear Friends, I've found a very rare gem: this most important book by Dr. Richard Mackarness, called Eat Fat And Grow Slim. It was originally published in 1958 (67 years ago!) and Dr. Mackarness was one of the very very first to draw attention to the health benefits of what is now called the Keto Diet.

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Dr.%20Richard%20Mackarness%20-%20Eat%20Fat%20and%20Grow%20Slim.pdf

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Dr.%20Richard%20Mackarness%20-%20Eat%20Fat%20and%20Grow%20Slim.pdf

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Dear Friends, I've found a very rare gem: this most important book by Dr. Richard Mackarness, called Eat Fat And Grow Slim. It was originally published in 1958 (67 years ago!) and Dr. Mackarness was one of the very very first to draw attention to the health benefits of what is now called the Keto Diet.

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Dr.%20Richard%20Mackarness%20-%20Eat%20Fat%20And%20Grow%20Slim.pdf
Broken link?

I was able to open your “pop-out” version in Google drive (https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Dr.+Richard+Mackarness+-+Eat+Fat+and+Grow+Slim.pdf). Though, it didn’t allow me to download, so I emailed the pdf to myself.

Thanks, Bill. https://i.imgur.com/rOEQqjv.gif





From Bill:

THX, and I've edited my post above. I have NO clear idea why the link was broken, though I'm suspecting it's connected with how the Avalon software interpreted the %20 code for the spaces.
The PDF was embedded perfectly, with what I'm sure was the identical URL. But I've now copied that to the original raw link, and that definitely works. Here it is again: :thumbsup:

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Dr.%20Richard%20Mackarness%20-%20Eat%20Fat%20and%20Grow%20Slim.pdf

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I just wanted to point out that following a ketogenic diet isn't likely to work very well for anyone whose gall bladder has been removed or is damaged unless they also take some form of bile supplement like TUDCA -- Tauro-Urso-Deoxy-Cholic Acid -- to help digest the fat. Without the gall bladder to squirt out a bunch of concentrated stored bile following a meal, you only get a slow steady trickle from the liver.

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Olive Oil Fasting: DOUBLE Autophagy & STOP Insulin Resistance! | Dr. Pradip Jamnadas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFsqXjSZSDM 30.29
"🌿 Discover the hidden power of olive oil fasting and how it could reset your body in just 24 hours! In this video, Dr. Pradip Jamnadas explains how combining short-term fasting with extra virgin olive oil may double autophagy, improve insulin sensitivity, protect your cells, and optimize metabolism. Whether you struggle with fatigue, weight gain, or sugar cravings, this approach provides a gentle yet effective way to rejuvenate your body from the inside out."

I'm going to try this as there seems to be nothing negative about doing so. The worst thing that could happen would be that it didn't work. Although I have more than a few books onautophagy and fasting, there's no definitive proven/scientific list of atual repairs and so effectiveness comes down to how we feel and perform overall rather than pinpointing a particular complaint.

PS: The instructions for when to take the olive oil and how much start at 17,21

[Bill Ryan]

Olive Oil Fasting: DOUBLE Autophagy & STOP Insulin Resistance! | Dr. Pradip Jamnadas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFsqXjSZSDM 30.29
"🌿 Discover the hidden power of olive oil fasting and how it could reset your body in just 24 hours! In this video, Dr. Pradip Jamnadas explains how combining short-term fasting with extra virgin olive oil may double autophagy, improve insulin sensitivity, protect your cells, and optimize metabolism. Whether you struggle with fatigue, weight gain, or sugar cravings, this approach provides a gentle yet effective way to rejuvenate your body from the inside out."

I'm going to try this as there seems to be nothing negative about doing so. The worst thing that could happen would be that it didn't work. Although I have more than a few books onautophagy and fasting, there's no definitive proven/scientific list of atual repairs and so effectiveness comes down to how we feel and perform overall rather than pinpointing a particular complaint.

PS: The instructions for when to take the olive oil and how much start at 17,21Thanks — that's very very interesting, and I've never heard of that, let alone tried it. :) (I've saved the video! :thumbsup:)