If there really is no Hell, how can negative Near Death Experiences be explained that say they went to Hell?

[AMystic3434]

A lot of New age philosophy say the same thing about hell. That there is no hell that god will forgive everyone. Whether is Dolores cannon or Pychics, or people who channel, or edgar Cayce they all come to the same conclusion that there is no hell. But at the same time there are many people who have had NDE's that they said were dragged to hell. Can this be explained.

[Kryztian]

There are many definitions of hell. Sometimes, people "go through Hell" right here on Earth in this lifetime, which is very different from the definition of Hell being the place of Eternal Damnation - once you are damned to that Hell, you never come back.

I imagine in the world we enter where we leave our bodies, there are still some pretty dark places. However, if someone comes back to tell about it, then they didn't go to the place of the eternally damned from which there is no return.

[ghostrider]

The might of the thoughts, as a man thinks so is he, the mind has all the power ... Lo the kingdom of god is within you... My father(spirit)he doeth the works ... With faith as a grain of mustard seed, you shall say unto the mountains be removed and cast into the sea... Again - the might of the thoughts... Your mind is so powerful, it can create a reality your focused on... The Plejaren say the key to our advancement is learning how to think... Control of thought, focused intentions...

[TargeT]

A lot of New age philosophy say the same thing about hell. That there is no hell that god will forgive everyone. Whether is Dolores cannon or Pychics, or people who channel, or edgar Cayce they all come to the same conclusion that there is no hell. But at the same time there are many people who have had NDE's that they said were dragged to hell. Can this be explained.

self blame, guilt & shame... these are huge tools used by our society & some people really internalize them. It leads to a lack of self confidence and can lead to feelings that punishment is "deserved"... that's a possible explanation IMO...

if end of life experiences really are a DMT fueled experience,then your inner landscape will be highly influential in how the experience "goes".

[Jayren]

Hell is right here on earth, as so is heaven. Isn't it hell when we see life as it is today. And isn't it heaven when we know its right here waiting to be manifested? Heaven and hell are nothing but concepts. The concepts of hell are based upon the lowr dimensions that exist upon ours. The lower 4th dimension as some may call it. Heaven is anything above that atleast my perception of it. That is why higher dimensional beings 5d and above preach about love and happiness it has nothing to do about the new age philosophy. .. Heaven, all it is is a state of mind... But so is hell... You take yourself there by what you think about, and it drags on even after your physical body dies. You are consciousness and your consciousness lives on forever so you are immortal and neither life or death may stop you you are life and death and you are neither no concepts of hell or heaven will drag you there unless you think about it. You are neither in essence you are all that is.

[sdv]

I have read everything I can find on the afterlife. In almost every text the same message is given: there is no judgement, and certainly not by God. The only judgement that is valid is how we judge ourselves.

Well, have you not met people who are know-it-alls who are always right? They would not judge themselves as having to go to hell, so what is the truth?

I think it is the truth that we judge ourselves because what we experience in the afterlife depends on our beliefs. Here are two examples of how beliefs can cause a person to condemn themselves to hell (which they actually create):

1. A person hurts others in life (and leaves lasting damage) but is not conscious of this until the afterlife when he/she sees the hurt and damage and find that he/she is powerless to fix the damage and heal the hurt. That person feels so bad that he/she decides that he/she deserves to suffer and thus hell is created.

2. Money is all important to a person (getting it, growing it, spending it ...). That person's entire identity is based on how much money he/she has. In the afterlife, that person has no control over the financial empire left behind and is in a place where money has no value. Such a person would be in torment and thus hell is created.

[Peace of Mind]

We are born to die, and this fact seems to make people afraid to live. We have the greatest minds of all beings, yet choose to keep and support some of the worse ideologies without merit.

I know I’m only here for a moment in time, I know I’m a spiritual visitor, observing, learning, educating, sharing, and serving. Hell is a state of mind, subconscious guilt, and years of indoctrination. When the body goes into rest mode, the mind continues to venture, contemplating familiarities, investigating disparities. We solve a lot of problems in our sleep mode and meditation… Hence the term “sleep on it”. However, if not careful.. you can become victim to ominous inceptions (I see this happening to others all the time).

Staying mentally focused on the things you fear creates nightmares, your mind will be where it’s used to being, many people are probably destine for Hell just because of where they keep their focus most of the time.

Earth/reality may just be a place for schooling, a place for spiritual growth/ a place to acknowledge true potential, mastering emotion/intention before entering the realm of magic and mystery.

If death is inevitable…how is it that many people fear, it? WHY?
It should be the very thing you work/look forward to doing right, graduating from here no longer needing to lug around a body like a backpack. Life is what you make it, here and there, through and through...

Peace

[Sunny-side-up]

We live in realm, realm of vibration, different vibration = different dimensions.

We are hoping/trying to raise our levels and so climb to a finer dimension.

Is there a dimension lower than ours, if so what would you call it?

I think at the lower end the vibration/dimension quality is not steady and chaotic.
A negative primordial state.
This would be hell for a consciousness!

[Kindred]

For a fuller picture regarding the nature of Reality, I strongly suggest the 'Seth' series of books written/channeled by Jane Roberts...

From "The Seth Material"...
“You create your reality according to your beliefs and expectations; therefore it behooves you to examine them carefully. If you do not like your world, then examine your own expectations. Every thought in one way or another is constructed by you in physical terms.”

This is a powerful statement, and if one can 'look beyond' our current physical construct, then you may begin to grasp it's enormity.
As to the OP's question... how does one explain negative after-death experiences, I offer the following quote from "Seth Speaks";

"Quite simply, a belief in the good without a belief in the evil, may seem highly unrealistic to you. This belief, however, is the best kind of insurance that you can have, both during physical life, and afterward."

“…the soul stands at the center of itself, exploring, extending its capacities in all directions at once, involved in issues of creativity, each one highly legitimate. The probable system of reality opens up the nature of the soul to you. It should change current religion’s ideas considerably. For this reason, the nature of good and evil is a highly important point.

On the one hand, quite simply, and in a way that you cannot presently understand, evil does not exist. However, you are obviously confronted with what seem to be quite evil effects. Now, it has been said often that there is a god, so there must be a devil – or if there is good, there must be evil. This is like saying that because an apple has a top, it must have a bottom – but without any understanding of the fact that both are a portion of the apple.

We go back to our fundamentals; You create reality through your feelings, thoughts, and mental actions. Some of these are physically materialized; others are actualized in probable systems. You are presented with an endless series of choices, it seems, at any point, some more or less favorable than others.

You must understand that each mental act is a reality for which you are responsible. That is what you are in this particular system of reality for. As long as you believe in a devil, for example, you will create one that is real enough for you, and for the others who continue to create him.

Because of the energy he is given by others, he will have a certain consciousness of his own, but such a mock devil has no power or reality to those who do not believe in his existence, and who do not give him energy through their belief. He is, in other words, a superlative hallucination. As mentioned earlier, those who believe in a hell and assign themselves to it through their belief can indeed experience one, but certainly in nothing like eternal terms. No soul is forever ignorant.

Now, those who have such beliefs actually lack a necessary deep trust in the nature of consciousness, of the soul, and of All That Is. They concentrate upon not what they think of as the power of good, but fearfully upon what they think of as the power of evil.

The hallucination is created, therefore, out of fear and of restriction. The devil idea is merely the mass projection of certain fears – mass in that it is produced by many people, but also limited in that there have always been those who rejected this principle.”

In Unity, Peace and Love

[greybeard]

Mind/energy takes you to where you go---somewhere compatible to your spiritual vibration and expectation.

Now this is just a thought.

We are in Maya-the collective dream--dying does not free you from this and back you come ---reincarnate after a "rest".
Now here is the thing---what if you are out of the dream in this life time? What if you are Self realised--enlightened?

There would be no individual to reincarnate, or go to what we perceive as heaven or hell.

This is why raising ones personal consciousness, preferable to the degree there is no individual left, is so important.
This is why we are here, as far as I can tell.

Chris

[ghostrider]

Inside the human being is the creative realms, the wonder of wonders - the spirit... Quote by Semjase the Plejaren ( the descendants of the sons of heaven)...

[zen deik]

And we're still just guessing....

[raff]

If there is a heaven then there must be a hell. In the Egyptian tombs one sees the weighing of the heart. The good and the bad, the suffering caused to others, the 42 assessors (i recommend Joan Grant's book: the winged pharoah and Elizabeth Haich's book: Initiation. In Buddhism from Tibet to Japan a large part of their ceremonies are about saving ancestors in the hell world's. Further esoteric knowledge adds that these world's reside in Saturn and also Neptune. We inherit not just our own karma but those of our ancestors. Much of the new age is bollocks imo and there resides a deeper knowledge of our inheritance and circumstances that our present superficial age has yet to understand.

[TraineeHuman]

We can only find the Divine by going within -- literally. We can only find higher planes by going within -- also literally. If Source truly is the source of all that is "ourselves", or of all that exists "right here", then all heavens and hells and worlds become means, not ends, because their importance is only secondary. They are just means to the end of deepening our relations, our intimacy, with the Divine.

"God" is not some kind of headmaster or traffic cop waiting to catch us in "sin" and punish us for our weaknesses. That would create massive self-distrust in us -- which is what some religions, and particularly Christianity, Judaism and Islam, have been used to do, ever so ruthlessly and continually. "God" is not an almighty Judge.

I suggest hells are more to do with the absence of the Divine from our awareness, or with our chronic failure to integrate bliss into our daily lives. It's a huge challenge to overcome that gap, that absence of love. But to make that challenge is what hells are for, and they don't exist for any other reason.

"Our lives are the reflection of Spirit. No life can exist without the ocean of life behind it, so we must realize that great ocean of life throbbing behind our lives...Be anchored in the spirit of God and realization of the Infinite Being that flows like an ocean through all creation." —Paramhansa Yogananda

[Michael Moewes]

In the Buddhist tradition is told that there are seven hell realms.
This is told by enlightened beings.
No one who is not enlightened has the ability to se that far.
New age is hogwash for the faint hearted.
I don't deny the good intentiones of the people who want a better life and future - I truely admire this.
But when it comes to believe what will happen to me after my conciousness leaves this carrier, I only trust in the teachings of the awakened Buddha.
In the 16 years that I'm practicing Buddhism, I've learned a lot and most of it makes me realize that the whole Newage movement, as positive as it might be,
is misleading their followers.
If every person woud know the secret teachings of the Buddha, no one would take this path.
Actually about 80% of the so called Buddhist today, would run away as fast as they can.
The only way to avoid the hell realms is to live your live with the deepest Compassion and Love for all living beings.
With this form of lifestile comes a lot of changing.
Most people are not willing to change and so it's useless to practice with a faint heart.
I didn't mean to offend anyone but that's my experience.

A lot of New age philosophy say the same thing about hell. That there is no hell that god will forgive everyone. Whether is Dolores cannon or Pychics, or people who channel, or edgar Cayce they all come to the same conclusion that there is no hell. But at the same time there are many people who have had NDE's that they said were dragged to hell. Can this be explained.

[amor]

I have faced the Demon of Death coming to take the life of my father and fought it. This is not an intellectual experience, it is gut wrenching and terrifying. Nothing in life prepares you or is like this horrifying, terrifying confrontation. Also, while presenting to fight off the devil to save the soul of a man who, in fact and real life had just jumped 7 stories to his death,(He came to me as I slept. I did not know him but described him to those who knew him and it was he) I was thrown into a dark, deep chasm where I floated as three Demons came to devour me. No words can describe the horror and terror I experienced in that instant when my heart was about to stop, I felt separated from the protection of God and cried out for the Lord to Help Me. Instantly, I was snatched away from them. I had asked the Lord to show me whether there was such a place as Hell one week before that experience. Hell is not something you can imagine. Regardless of how evil we are there is nothing in life with which we can compare Hell. Unfortunately, it does exist, as a lot of priests who think that it was just used by them to frighten the sheep are going to discover. This is going to be the domain of the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and the Satanists.

[delfine]

In the book "Grey aliens and the harvesting of souls" there is a rather frightening story of a man, who had a heartattack and was clinically dead. He was rushed into a hospital where a doctor performed open heart surgery on him, attempting to place a pacemaker on his heart. The man wakes up in the middle of the operation and begs the doctor to complete the operation, because he´s in hell. Normally when people wake up in the middle of operations, they scream in pain and complain and want the doctor to stop what he´s doing, because they cannot tolerate the pain it gives them. But obviously this man was experiencing a pain on "the other side" that was much worse than conscious open heart surgery...

[Hawkwind]

From one perspective there is no hell, but from that perspective there also is no anything else. The Buddhist call this perspective Suññatā, usually translated as nothingness. From that perspective there is no high, no low, no light, no dark, etc. As soon as consciousness enters the state of duality, however, heaven and hell arise. The purpose of both, (or at least my understanding thereof), being to dissolve the illusion of a separate self.

[seah]

A lot of New age philosophy say the same thing about hell. That there is no hell that god will forgive everyone. Whether is Dolores cannon or Pychics, or people who channel, or edgar Cayce they all come to the same conclusion that there is no hell. But at the same time there are many people who have had NDE's that they said were dragged to hell. Can this be explained.

The lower astral has many places that resemble hell. Robert Monroe wrote about "the belief system territories"...not all of those realms are pleasant.

Psychics are mouth pieces for what ever faction they have aligned themselves with. Dolores Cannon's alien connections told her they decide what her patient shared.

[Houman]

The answer is simple... look at this world and ask yourself if there are places/conditions that are (possibly much) worse or (possibly much) better than where you are...
now consider the next and ask yourself if the place/condition where you currently are is an extreme one (rock bottom or top) in all of existence...
Houman

[Verdilac]

Mind/energy takes you to where you go---somewhere compatible to your spiritual vibration and expectation.

Now this is just a thought.

We are in Maya-the collective dream--dying does not free you from this and back you come ---reincarnate after a "rest".
Now here is the thing---what if you are out of the dream in this life time? What if you are Self realised--enlightened?

There would be no individual to reincarnate, or go to what we perceive as heaven or hell.

This is why raising ones personal consciousness, preferable to the degree there is no individual left, is so important.
This is why we are here, as far as I can tell.

Chris

You know Chris, that was a great thought

I've been thinking along those lines too as I remember the last cross over point with more detail than I dare to recall in detail too often

But get this , the last time I knew it would lead to this again.

An explanation of the situation would be to say. Deep breath here we go again, do I really have to go through all this again? cant I just stay here with everyone instead of what seems like constant in & out?, the answer is no. This is how you go on & on,you know how things work.

Being awake is quite tiring :facepalm:

And just to add, the end of the last cross over wasn't very pleasant .

[Akasha]

.....if end of life experiences really are a DMT fueled experience,then your inner landscape will be highly influential in how the experience "goes".....

I'm down with Target on this one. Anyone who has experienced strong psychedelics (of which DMT is arguably the most powerful) will be aware that they can quickly turn bad depending on the mindset of the partaker.
For anyone who has never crossed the psychedelic threshold, this statement will most likely seem meaningless but for seasoned psychonauts, awareness of the rule can be the difference between coming back again or not so to speak. I'm not talking about dying per se, rather ending up a basket case.

NDE's experienced by those unaware of such biochemical dynamics at play within them at the time of the event are likely to interpret the experience ….errrr…..shall we say…..differently to say the least.......and even for those who have had prior experience in similar "fields" the event could still be sufficiently overwhelming to convince the partaker of otherworldly activity / existence.


The psychedelic drug that could explain our belief in life after death

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Scientists have discovered DMT, the Class A hallucinogenic, naturally occurs in the body, and may contain a clue to what happens when we die and why people see fairies
DMT (Dimethyltryptamine) is the most powerful hallucinogenic drug around. The class A psychedelic is so potent that under the 1971 UN Convention on Psychotropic Substances its manufacture is strictly for scientific research and medical use and any international trade is very closely monitored. But it also naturally occurs in the human body. Now a Senior Psychologist at Greenwich University, Dr. David Luke, is trying to undercover a link between DMT and 'near death experiences' to explain elves, tunnels of light and centuries old folklore. On July 8th he’ll talk about his research at an event in conjunction with SciArt collaboration Art Necro at The Book Club in London.
Tell me about yourself
I am a psychologist at the University of Greenwich and I teach a course on the psychology on the exceptional human experience, which looks at extraordinary phenomenon of human beings. It’s all about mythical experiences, psychedelic experiences, personal paranormal experiences, mysticism, spiritual experiences, those sorts of things.
I do research on altered states of consciousness and exceptional human experiences, including psychedelics, medication, hypnosis as altered states and the experiences people have in the states such as out of body experiences, possession, telepathy, and clairvoyance – all your usual stuff..... full article here (http://littleatoms.com/science/psychedelic-drug-could-explain-our-belief-life-after-death)

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