Trump ... dead man walking

[Peace of Mind]

For starters…. become more in tuned with our self/desires/family/morals…the times.

Become more responsible and caring individuals. Honest confrontation with the person in the mirror. Free education and healthcare promotes a better and prosperous society.

As long as we stay divided on the most menial of issues.,.. we all fail and suffer, and will fail to see the obvious solutions. Live life treating people as you would want to be treated. Be the example of the change you want to see and don't deter.

These are just the plain and simple things that can be done on an individual level, they will get the ball rolling. As of now…we are trained/ tricked into being indifferent to almost everything, confused on what’s real or fake…that’s why we are so easily controlled by the selfish and corrupt. We subconsciously support it. When we actually show some consideration and respect for fellow man/woman (not pretend to) we will get out of this mess easily... but not a second sooner.

Peace

[Calz]

Time to go to bed ... I'll make one more post for today.

Only one thing that really matters to me any more .... my kids.

That's all.

I am disgusted at what we are leaving for them.


You can all go on about this or that about this candidate or that or this governmental system.


Only thing that is real to me is what the globalists are on the verge of shoving down our throats.


Nationalism vs Globalism.


Nationalism ... can that help??? World is seriously screwed up now. I don't know.


The plans for the illooney naughties have been well documented for hundreds of years ... has anyone stepped up to stop it even though it was known???


Didn't think so ...


That is why I am sad for what we leave for the next generation.


Trump has a microscopic chance to stop it ... at least he has the guts to try.


If we don't give him a chance then shame on us.

[Calz]

For starters…. become more in tuned with our self/desires/family/morals…the times.

Become more responsible and caring individuals. Honest confrontation with the person in the mirror. Free education and healthcare promotes a better and prosperous society.

As long as we stay divided on the most menial of issues.,.. we all fail and suffer, and will fail to see the obvious solutions. Live life treating people as you would want to be treated. Be the example of the change you want to see and don't deter.

These are just the plain and simple things that can be done on an individual level, they will get the ball rolling. As of now…we are trained/ tricked into being indifferent to almost everything, confused on what’s real or fake…that’s why we are so easily controlled by the selfish and corrupt. We subconsciously support it. When we actually show some consideration and respect for fellow man/woman (not pretend to) we will get out of this mess easily... but not a second sooner.

Peace

Okay ... been there done that ... um ... my whole life. I agree wholeheartedly.

[onawah]

I watched this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8BTMK9c1XE (Why Liberals Should Not Vote for Bernie Sanders) and did a little more research and I guess I will not be contributing to Bernie after all.
I was making incorrect assumptions, and did not realize what a Zionist he is (Elizabeth Warren too) , or that he voted to make parts of the Patriot Act permanent.
I would still vote for him over Hillary or Trump, but any enthusiasm is now gone , even though Ralph Nader had good things to say about Sanders (interviewed here by the same guy who made the video of Cindy Sheehan saying why we shouldn't vote for Bernie :boom::twitch: :tsk:
I hate politics!

zHHewmk3_P8

[Calz]

I hate politics!



As do I.

I stayed up (now only 2 hours before I need to go to work *sigh*) ... because I wanted to close the thread.

It seems that option is not available ... so have at it political members.


Bottom line for me is going to WW3 ... you know ... the nuclear type ... you know ... the one the illooneys have planned for 100's of years based on the Zionists vs Islam.


How much more scripted does it take for everyone to understand???


Don't get it.

[onawah]

The fact that nuclear mishaps have reportedly been stopped by ET intervention is our best hope at this point, as far as I can see, and if the controllers are really going to attempt it again, then maybe we'll finally see a real faceoff between them and the ETs who don't want more rips in space/time fabric.
That would be interesting!

[ZooLife]

I find it interesting that, in the lame stream media that a few people like Louis CK Louis are comparing Trump to Hitler.

I don't know about you but I can think a active high ranking politician in the US that has drawn that comparison, in my mind, long before the MSM tagged Trump with it.

Now the MSM plays the 'comparison' to Hitler card???

Would that a Trump card?

I can't put my finger on it completely but there is something really bizarre happening this election cycle.

[Calz]

The fact that nuclear mishaps have reportedly been stopped by ET intervention is our best hope at this point, as far as I can see, and if the controllers are really going to attempt it again, then maybe we'll finally see a real faceoff between them and the ETs who don't want more rips in space/time fabric.
That would be interesting!

One would hope.

Allegedly Fukushima was caused by a deep sea nuke ... so who really knows?

[onawah]

I had not heard that theory before.

[Calz]

I had not heard that theory before.

Seriously?

Wow.

Search ... I don't have time unless you want to wait :)

[onawah]

No, it's OK, I can google it.
Thanks.
Not worth losing sleep over, Calz.
Now please go get some!:sleep:

[Calz]

No, it's OK, I can google it.
Thanks.
Not worth losing sleep over, Calz.
Now please go get some!:sleep:


Thanks (smiles) ... no time left for sleep ... gonna be a bad night.

There is some serious evidence regarding normal earthquakes vs what happened.

Should not be hard to find.

[onawah]

I may have read that and not remembered.
I guess I've been thinking it was caused by weather manipulation via HAARP, not bombs, which would probably be easier for them to accomplish.

[Calz]

For all that have fallen for the biggest media smear job in the world's history ... here is another side to consider.

Facebook vid and I don't know how to imbed it (don't do facebook) ... hopefully it will be available on youtube soon.

Have to take the link to see the vid ... sorry.

Some of these people that have known Trump for many years.

Hear what they have to say.


Actually brought a tear. Was never going to vote again (only voted once to vote *against* a 2nd term of cowboy bush/cheney/rumsfield).

If Trump can make it past all the treachery of the GOP and is running against Hillary I will vote *FOR* someone for the first time in my life.

Have a good day ...

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Is this the Most Powerful Donald Trump Video Ever?

Pro-Trump montage depicts Republican frontrunner as unifying figure

Infowars.com - March 9, 2016

A web group has produced an inspiring video depicting Donald Trump as a unifying figure, a stark contrast to media attacks painting the Republican frontrunner as a racist.

Uploaded by the End the Fed Facebook group, the video entitled “The greatest video of Trump you will ever see,” claims it contains “facts you won’t see on the mainstream media.”



The video was so well produced that the hotel mogul’s Facebook page shared it on Tuesday, ahead of several primary elections.

“Wow- thank you!” Trump stated in response to the video.

Within two days, the pro-Trump montage has garnered over 3.7 million views, over 120 thousand shares and more than 100 thousand likes.


http://www.infowars.com/is-this-the-most-powerful-donald-trump-video-ever/

[Calz]

What??? Seriously?

Don't be played people ... the globalists at work ... they are relentless and it will take a miracle to stop them.

________


‘I want to vote so Donald Trump won’t win’: Illegals Applying for Citizenship to Vote Against Trump

Obama administration, Soros-linked NGOs behind push to naturalize illegals before November

Adan Salazar | Infowars.com - March 9, 2016


Illegal aliens, encouraged by the Obama administration, are registering for citizenship ahead of November’s presidential election in record numbers, with many vowing to vote against Republican frontrunner Donald Trump.

“I want to vote so Donald Trump won’t win,” Hortensia Villegas, a legal Mexican immigrant, told The New York Times earlier this week after attending a naturalization workshop in Colorado. “He doesn’t like us,” she said, compelled to register after a decade of living in the country illegally.

Villegas’ husband, Miguel Garfio, a US citizen born in Colorado, also told The Times he felt Trump’s rise in the polls has impelled illegals to seek citizenship.


“A lot of people are opening their eyes because of all the negative stuff Donald Trump has brought,” Garfio claimed.

Another Mexican immigrant interviewed at the workshop expressed familiar talking points regurgitated by the establishment media.


“Donald Trump never! Never!” Minerva Guerrero Salazar, 40, expressed. “He has no conscience when he speaks of Latinos. And he is so rude. I don’t know what kind of education his mother gave him.”

A union representative working as a naturalization operative told The Guardian they’re capitalizing on Trump’s perceived negative comments to propagandize Latinos into voting for anyone but Trump.

“Our messaging will be very sharply tied to the political moment, urging immigrants and Latinos to respond to hate with political action and power,” an iAmerica Action union member said.


The Times notes the Obama administration and various labor unions, in addition to non-governmental organizations such as the George Soros-linked National Partnership for New Americans, have been behind efforts motivating immigrants to seek naturalization, providing outreach programs across the country in hopes to register more than 1 million out of 8.8 million illegal immigrants before November.

“People who are eligible are really feeling the urgency to get out there,” the deputy director of the National Partnership said to the Times, conveying the success of their collective efforts. “They are worried by the prospect that someone who is running for president has said hateful things.”

The massive efforts have not been in vain.

“Over all,” reports the Times, “naturalization applications increased by 11 percent in the 2015 fiscal year over the year before, and jumped 14 percent during the six months ending in January, according to federal figures. The pace is picking up by the week, advocates say, and they estimate applications could approach one million in 2016, about 200,000 more than the average in recent years.”

In addition to enlisting Latino celebrities for endorsements in September, last week the White House announced it would contribute $10 million in federal grants to help immigrants navigate the naturalization process.

“A majority of Latinos are Democrats, and some Republicans accuse the White House of leading a thinly veiled effort to expand the ranks of the president’s party,” according to the Times.


Naturalization drives are currently underway in Colorado, Nevada and Florida, states where the Latino populations could sway the election outcome in November.

Despite the media’s push to paint Trump as anti-Hispanic, the candidate won the Republican primary vote in Webb County, Texas, a region bordering Mexico along which the contested wall might potentially be built and inhabited by 95 percent Hispanic voters.

Trump himself has claimed he “will do really well with Hispanics,” and a poll last month found that 38 percent of Latino Republicans would vote for him, versus 15 percent for Ted Cruz and eight percent support for Marco Rubio.


http://www.infowars.com/i-want-to-vote-so-donald-trump-wont-win-illegals-applying-for-citizenship-to-vote-against-trump/

[Calz]

Wake up to what is coming down ... not much time left ...

Sportscaster ... ho hum ... look closer and add it to the mix ... we are in trouble peeps.

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ESPN Replaces Sportscaster Mike Ditka Days After Trump Endorsement

Football icon also labeled Obama "the worst president we’ve ever had"

Infowars.com - March 9, 2016

Former NFL player and coach Mike Ditka is being replaced as host of ESPN’s Sunday NFL Countdown only one week after endorsing Republican candidate Donald Trump.

During an appearance on WABC’S The Bernie & Sid Show last Thursday, Ditka called President Obama “the worst president we’ve ever had” before officially backing the GOP frontrunner.

“Barack Obama’s a fine man,” Ditka said. “I mean, he’s pleasant. He would be great to play golf with. He’s not a leader. This country needs leadership. It needs direction. It needs somebody that steps up front.”

“If I were to vote tomorrow, I’d probably vote for Trump.”

According to the Chicago Tribune, “sources said this move is not related to Ditka’s recent comments on a radio show last week in which he ripped President Obama.” Instead, the former champion says he has long asked to be moved to a new position at the network.


“This new role is really a blessing,” Ditka said. “It’s something I asked for. After many years of weekend travel, I’m thrilled I’ll get to watch NFL games on Sundays and Monday nights in the comfort of my own home. I enjoy being part of the game and part of ESPN. I really do. So this is a great solution.”

Ditka has thus far refrained from addressing questions regarding the possibility that his removal from the Sunday show was politically motivated.


http://www.infowars.com/espn-replaces-sportscaster-mike-ditka-days-after-trump-endorsement/

[ThePythonicCow]

My guess is that Trump -is- working in cooperation with the Bastards in Power.

Bill Clinton won by splitting the Republicans using a "wild card" on the outside, Ross Perot. I expect that Hillary Clinton will win by splitting the Republican party using a "wild card" on the inside, Donald Trump.

A successful Republican candidate "runs to the right" in the Primary, and "runs to the center" in the General election. Trump will run to the "wild side" all the way, losing too much inside Republican boss, funding, and election stealing support ... and he knows it and is having fun playing his role as scoundrel in this staged event.

(Of course, my last dozen political predictions have all been wrong :D)

[ulli]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/v/t1.0-9/12803066_10153556187338869_525454812118011169_n.png?oh=a4bc8f4f293066085d422f738c60bca8&oe=57957249

[ZooLife]

It seems presidential candidate differentiate themselves leading up to an election so why do I get this feeling that it matters not who gets elected whether Democrat, Republican, or Other.

It seems the big agendas are set and after the new guy (or girl) takes office it is business as usual.

http://rlv.zcache.com/business_as_usual_will_be_the_death_of_us_all_tee_shirts-r4aea009c767d440fae298132ab404d5c_j1ha5_1024.jpg?rlvnet=1

[Octavusprime]

My guess is that Trump -is- working in cooperation with the Bastards in Power.

Bill Clinton won by splitting the Republicans using a "wild card" on the outside, Ross Perot. I expect that Hillary Clinton will win by splitting the Republican party using a "wild card" on the inside, Donald Trump.

A successful Republican candidate "runs to the right" in the Primary, and "runs to the center" in the General election. Trump will run to the "wild side" all the way, losing too much inside Republican boss, funding, and election stealing support ... and he knows it and is having fun playing his role as scoundrel in this staged event.

(Of course, my last dozen political predictions have all been wrong :D)

Well said Paul. This has been my theory the whole time and it makes a whole lot more sense when you think about it. Trump has supported Hillary in the past along with many other Republicans/Democrats. Send in the this crass guy to stir up the GOP and split their votes so that Hillary can slide in without anyone looking into her slippery past. Diversion at it's finest.

Bernie on the other hand is not supported by the establishment (see the super delegate disparity for proof). Since he announced his intent to run the media has just disregarded him as never having a chance. From 2% popularity in the beginning to now winning key states in the primaries his grass root campaign with 5 million plus individual contributions proves he has a huge backing. The tactic being used to destroy him is planting the seed that if you vote Bernie, you will get Trump. Classic! All roads point to Hillary as the establishments chosen one.

If that theory is wrong, which it very well may be then Trump is the most dangerous of them all.

The dude lies on a regular basis. Did you see his infomercial, I mean victory speech recently. The one where he defends himself against Mitt Romny's comments? He literally lies to everyone's face by claiming he has a water company, magazine, steak business, etc. The steaks are provided by a farmer and he has no stake in it whatsoever. The Water company bottles for many clients and Trump doesn't own any of the company. He doesn't have a magazine anymore yet claims it is still published. Then he brings up his winery when Mitt mentioned Vodka. Why? Because it would be illegal to claim he bottled vodka (Strict alcohol laws) when he didn't unlike the other lies. Another deceiving lie he tends to promote is his real estate empire. The dude owns only 1/3 of the buildings with the TRUMP name. He leases his name.... It's a brand. It's a sham. It's complete horse ****. All of it.

Bernie is the one the establishment truly fears winning the election. He is the only one who has fought against the machine for his entire adult life.

[Carmody]

My guess is that Trump -is- working in cooperation with the Bastards in Power.

Bill Clinton won by splitting the Republicans using a "wild card" on the outside, Ross Perot. I expect that Hillary Clinton will win by splitting the Republican party using a "wild card" on the inside, Donald Trump.

A successful Republican candidate "runs to the right" in the Primary, and "runs to the center" in the General election. Trump will run to the "wild side" all the way, losing too much inside Republican boss, funding, and election stealing support ... and he knows it and is having fun playing his role as scoundrel in this staged event.

(Of course, my last dozen political predictions have all been wrong :D)

Ross Perot is an interesting story. He had his reasons for breaking that vote, apparently. the trick, for trump, is to take it as far as he might, without getting into more engine trouble. Like Merkel's little warning. The one where both engines of the helicopter failed, just after she got off it.

They appear to be cycling the tricks, back to the Perot spoiler gag, as the public has such short term memory. Clinton was approx one generation back, so most folks forgot or never noticed what was going on back then.

[Calz]

Bernie is the one the establishment truly fears winning the election. He is the only one who has fought against the machine for his entire adult life.


Obviously you didn't see this the first time (or you have some high quality blinders going on ... or other).

I differ with you on Trump but Sanders is clearly a better choice than the rest.

Still ... he isn't all that.

The system is going stark raving mad trying to stop Trump ... they are simply ignoring Bernie.

There may be a story there.


That said ... presidents have long come under the thumb of their "masters" so I wonder what either Sanders or Trump could actually do ...


I expect Trump would give it his best ... Sanders I expect would quickly fall in line as do most all politicians.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8BTMK9c1XE

[Calz]

Seen such posted elsewhere on questionable sites ... who knows???

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Former US Attorney: Grand Jury IS Investigating Hillary

Clinton: "It's not going to happen"

Steve Watson | Infowars.com - March 10, 2016


A former US attorney says that he believes a Grand Jury has been convened to investigate Hillary Clinton over her home grown email server.

Joseph E. diGenova, an attorney in the District of Columbia for four years, said Wednesday that there are now two separate FBI investigations into political corruption, with one also involving the Clinton Foundation.

“The Bureau has between 100 and 150 agents assigned to the case. They would not have that many people assigned to a classified information case,” he told The Daily Caller.


“Based on reports that agents are asking questions about the foundation, it seems to me it is the subject of a second prong of the investigation,” diGenova added.

The former attorney is referring to the fact that The State Department subpoenaed documents from the Clinton Foundation toward the end of last year following claims that the Clinton’s ‘charitable’ arm was influencing policies.


One of Hillary’s top aides, Huma Abedin, worked for both the Foundation and under Clinton in her official government role. Several emails were revealed to have been traded between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation.

Joseph E. diGenova repeated claims by others, including Senior Judicial Analyst Andrew Napolitano, that the fact Justice Department officials issued immunity to Hillary’s former IT chief Bryan Pagliano indicates that a grand jury has been convened.

“It is inconceivable to me that they could have done that without subpoenaing documents from third parties,” diGenova said, “You cannot declare immunity except in the grand jury context if it was statutory immunity.”

“My long experience as the United States Attorney and an independent counsel makes me conclude as a matter of professional judgment that a grand jury exists,” diGenova added.

“It is readily apparent to me that there is at least a grand jury impaneled for the purposes of issuing subpoenas,” he said.

For her part, Hillary took to the debate stage last night and declared “it’s not going to happen” when asked whether she would quit the presidential race if indicted.

“I’m not even answering that question,” a visibly angry Clinton said, dismissing the notion that she could be pat of a criminal investigation.


(insert another damn facebook vid I cannot post ... *sigh*)


Hillary further claimed that her email sever was legal, and attempted to spin the fact that she exposed classified material as a case of excessive government secrecy.

“I think that what we’ve got here is a case of over-classification,” Clinton said.

“What you’re talking about is retroactive classification,” Clinton said. “Some of the parts of the government — we’re not exactly sure who — has concluded that some of the emails should be now retroactively classified. They just said the same thing to former Secretary Colin Powell.”

“I’m not concerned about; I’m not worried about it, and no Democrat or American should be, either.” she added.

In other debate highlights, Clinton suggested that the mother of a Benghazi victim is “absolutely wrong” to have called her a liar:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-ARSrWbk20


Clinton also suggested that she and other lawmakers have done an effective job securing the southern border in recent years, despite there now being a record 15.7 million illegal immigrants in the US.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrgLiiGQPxg


http://www.infowars.com/former-us-attorney-grand-jury-is-investigating-hillary/

[Calz]

Devil's advocate time (indulge me a bit).

Hillary (long overdue) arrested.

Trump taken out by fill in your guess of 100's of sources or reasons.


Sanders?


Don't kid yourselves.


Looks like "emergency time" with the world gone mad and Obummer ... America long gone ... amerika gone as well ... bow down to the global masters.


We have seen the "prophecies" ... this the last president ... this the last pope.


These the marching orders for the elite ... I ain't making this up.

[Calz]

Fine.

All the politicians are compromised (Trump not a politician but a wildcard gone wild).

Looks like we are screwed ... but wait ...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OROLRvKamdE

[onawah]

This was an encouraging sign, which we will see more of, hopefully...
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/03/10/watch-gop-governor-gets-mic-shut-off-kicked-off-of-interview-by-morning-joe-co-host-2/
There's a short video which I don't know how to embed, but it's worth watching (and gratifying to see the press standing up to politicians-especially this smarmy one).

[Calz]

Interesting onawah ... thank you :)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI-gLvJePlQ

[Calz]

MSNBC standing up to the system ... wow ... that is indeed interesting.

Something is happening here peeps ... I really have no idea at this point.

Do you???

[T Smith]

MSNBC standing up to the system ... wow ... that is indeed interesting.

Something is happening here peeps ... I really have no idea at this point.

Do you???

Yes. MSNBC isn't standing up against the system, they are defending it. Governor Scott's appearance on this show isn't because he's a representative of the system, it is because he is a personal friend of Donald Trump. Translation: the lines are drawn. If you are part of the system and do not play along to trip Trump up, or discredit him, you're going to get attacked. Although Scott tried to be as neutral as possible, it was pretty clear they were trying to get him to admit he either supports Trump outright (how outrageous that he isn't endorsing Rubio!), the implication being an association to Trump is a despicable thing.

I don't buy for a minute MSNBC anchors are getting "tough of politicians"... except if they so happen to be pro-Trump politicians.

[onawah]

Well...maybe, but whatever the reason, anytime the mainstream press stands up to a state governor on TV, I'll take it as a good sign, considering how the press has been under the thumb of the corporate owners.

[onawah]

Vampire technocrats fly to Jekyll Island to stop Trump
(Jon Rappaport on Trump, and if Trump would actually be the way Jon encourages him to be, I might start to believe in him)
update: No, I have to take that back. The guy is a sociopath, and I will never believe in him. He doesn't even have a clue how to behave, even children can see that. D0ZTKaMcqCM


by Jon Rappoport
March 10, 2016
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/03/10/vampire-technocrats-fly-to-jekyll-island-to-stop-trump/
It's such a secret place, only heavy hitters and big shots can fly in, from private airports---which, by the way, have no TSA security. So they could have been packing heat for all we know. Or bags of blood for nighttime drink fests.

Sea Island is where they met. It's in the same Georgia gaggle as the infamous Jekyll Island, where the Federal Reserve was born many moons ago. But now the goal was narrow: stop the crazy cowboy; stop Trump.

Were secret effigy-burning rituals held? Hard to say. Did one of the tech giants unveil a new algorithm that would suddenly direct all Trump remarks to a new Hitler Facebook page?

Here are some of the Island attendees, according to the Huffington Post ("At Secretive Meeting, Tech CEOs And Top Republicans Commiserate, Plot To Stop Trump," 3/7/2016). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/aei-world-forum-donald-trump_us_56ddbd38e4b0ffe6f8ea125d
Get this:

"Apple CEO Tim Cook, Google co-founder Larry Page, Napster creator and Facebook investor Sean Parker, and Tesla Motors and SpaceX honcho Elon Musk all attended. So did Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), political guru Karl Rove, House Speaker Paul Ryan, GOP Sens. Tom Cotton (Ark.), Cory Gardner (Colo.), Tim Scott (S.C.), Rob Portman (Ohio) and Ben Sasse (Neb.), who recently made news by saying he 'cannot support Donald Trump.'

"Along with Ryan, the House was represented by Energy and Commerce Committee Chair Fred Upton (Mich.), Rep. Kevin Brady (Texas) and almost-Speaker Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), sources said, along with leadership figure Cathy McMorris Rodgers (Wash.), Budget Committee Chairman Tom Price (R-Ga.), Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling (Texas) and Diane Black (Tenn.).

"Philp Anschutz, the billionaire GOP donor whose company owns a stake in Sea Island, was also there, along with Democratic Rep. John Delaney, who represents Maryland. Arthur Sulzberger, the publisher of The New York Times, was there, too, a Times spokeswoman confirmed."

Quite a collection. And they all have hernias and a major case of red-ass about the crazy cowboy running for President.

At the confab, Karl Rove, the old grubby prince of darkness, opined that stopping Trump was a matter of emphasizing how un-Presidential he is. Karl's come a long way down since his glory days with George W. I'm told he's about to launch his own Daily Racing Form.

Henry Miller, the American writer who, in his time, in his own way, was as reviled and infamous as Trump is now, once wrote (paraphrasing): People say America needs a President who will restore sanity to the country. That's wrong. What American needs is a President who'll drive everybody crazy.

Well, here he is. Trump. The gilded, self-inflating hustler who's never met a success story (of his own) he didn't love. Trump. The master of off-the-cuff. The ham-fisted swaggering hair stylist's nightmare who pushes open the swinging doors to The Secret Club bar and strides in, bat-**** angry, to lecture snooty tight-ass titans on how to make America great again.

"I was telling my wife the other day I should buy Alaska. And by the way, we're going to dump Common Core, and vaccines cause autism."

What's the algorithm that stops that?

Regardless of what happens from this point on, Trump's major contribution to Presidential elections is smashing standard political rhetoric; and that's no small accomplishment. Next to him, Hillary and Obama and Mitt and Marco are 100% pharmaceutical-grade Thorazine on a slow Sunday afternoon.

Hillary, in particular, can make bloodthirsty war-mongering with torn bodies lying everywhere come across like row-row-row-your-boat at a picnic in the park, in between her coughing fits.

But here's the thing, Donald. You haven't gone far enough.

To destroy the walking-dead politicians of our time, you need to get a lot crazier---on your own live-streaming webcasts, night and day, to five million, 10 million, 20 million people around the world. From your car, by your fireplace in Trump Tower, in a Burger King, in the men's room at the Pierre Hotel, in a homeless encampment in San Diego, on a lonely snowy street in Cleveland at 3 in the morning. Ramp it up.

You're standing in the field of a family farm in the Midwest with a hollow-faced man whose life has been blown away by Monsanto, with its GMO crops and cancer-causing Roundup. There you are talking to him, the farmer, destitute, his family destitute, near a giant acre of weeds eight feet high that resisted Roundup and didn't die. His crop yield shrank. His expenses, courtesy of Monsanto, grew. He went down. Talk to the man. Listen to his story. Beam it out to 20 million people. Tell him how you're going to help him put himself back together. Lay out a plan to resurrect the small farmer in America.

Stand inside a building in Chicago where people have built their own urban farm and grow vegetables for the local poor community, for themselves. Show what a success it is. Listen to these people. Tell them how you're going help them build 5000 of these urban farms in poverty-stricken inner cities across America. People are going to rise up. They're not going to be a permanent underclass eating government cheese for the rest of their lives.

Sit in a homeless camp with veterans of wars and listen to their stories, listen to how the VA threw them in the garbage heap, after they served their time. Get busy, Donald. These vets are all over America. They have something to say. Don't hold back. Tell them what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan since they were there. Some of them already know. Let them tell you how those countries have gone down the toilet. Raise hell.

In a trailer park, talk to a few former members of the American middle-class, who were shoved down into debt and unemployment by the fanatic Globalist export of jobs to faraway hell holes where workers slave for 3 cents an hour. In fact, under heavy guard, visit a few of those overseas hell holes and expose what they look like and feel like and are. Go the distance.

Travel the southern border of America. Live-stream what's happening. Talk to US border personnel. Listen to their stories. Emphasize that the US already has 60 million immigrants living here, which makes it the most generous country, per capita, in the world. Talk to Mexican corn farmers coming up into America. Let them describe how 1.5 million of them were put into bankruptcy, because the NAFTA trade treaty allowed US companies to flood Mexico with cheap corn.

Crack the egg of slumber in the Big Cocoon. With your live webcasts, pull in more viewers than NCIS and CSI. Drive your former employer, NBC, crazy.

Talk to truckers and limo drivers and shoe salesmen and working wives and newly minted PhDs who can't find work. Talk to people on the street, people in bars, people coming out churches and strip clubs and malls.

Tear down the walls between politicians and people.

You're starting to sound a bit mainstream these days. You're not going to "work with Congress." Congress isn't going to work with you. Get off that horse. Okay, you want to sound like a "unifier" who "likes people"? Do that for a day. But then get back to doing what you were before. Mangling politicians and media buffoons.

People talk like robots because they are robots. That's your opening, Donald. Keep pressing it. Destroy political-speak. Rake it over the coals. Offend more human androids. Your numbers will keep rising.

Improvise.

I keep writing about the Trump phenomenon because it's explosive. It intrudes on so much business-as-usual political life in America. I really want to drive home this point. People, so many people, are so timid and scared and provincial and tight---and they think that the usual parade of ghouls who run for office in this country is acceptable because the candidates mouth empty dead words. People expect the walking smiling dead to run for office. Big grins, empty words. That's considered safe, despite the fact that these hideous creatures are perfectly ready and willing to send planes anywhere to drop bombs on populations for no goddamn good reason. But as long as the candidate has a wan ****-eating grin, and as long as says he's caring, it's all right. Then Trump comes along and he's suddenly the Dangerous One. He's suddenly a threat. You mean all those other ghouls weren't? He's Hitler, and they were messiahs? Are you kidding? All of a sudden we have a dangerous Presidential candidate where there were none before? REALLY? People are getting so worked up about the first dangerous candidate in recent memory? REALLY?

I see. Building a wall is the worst idea ever to occur in America? Nothing like it? Ever? What about Vietnam? 1.4 million dead bodies, countless wounded, and even more suffering cancers and birth defects from Agent Orange. That was nothing compared to the suggestion of building a wall on the southern border? What about bombing Libya, ripping that country to shreds? Might have been a mistake, but it was nothing compared with the suggestion to build a wall? Putting in economic sanctions between the two wars in Iraq and thereby killing 500,000 children? Sad, but nothing compared to the suggestion of building a wall?

The White House funding, backing, creating, arming ISIS in conjunction with US allies? Yes, perhaps a regrettable error in judgment, but nothing compared to the suggestion of building a wall?

Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama? Angels from heaven.

Trump? The anti-Christ.

Well, that settles that.

Get busy, Donald, push harder. Do a webcast to 20 million people from a bar off Wall Street, where you chat with an ex-broker about the giant ongoing con called investment banking, the astonishing ripoffs, the real details of the bailout.

Visit a half-deserted town where a factory closed and went to Asia to make their products on the cheap. Talk to the people of that town as they sit and wait for something to happen that's never going to happen.

Assemble a group of media people who were drummed out of their profession for speaking the truth about vital scandals and let them talk. Have a conversation about what lies under the surface of American life, about the themes the stuffed media shirts who still have their jobs are concealing, as they attack you around the clock. Break open the whole stinking mess and show it to the American people, and reveal what their robot-talking politicians have been doing to them.

For a long, long time.

Coda---I realize I'm branching out into an area where the actual Donald Trump doesn't exist. The disruptive force that he is may have, behind it all, severe limits. He may only want to upset a few apple carts. He's only a moon rising, and never goes full. On the other hand, we've never seen a politician who is what he should be. And we need to flesh out a better idea about who that is, as an intensely disruptive radical force, in the best and original sense of that word.

"Radical" equals "root."

Politics as it never was. But could be.

Not the skunk-ridden Leftist hideous mask of "we care," behind which commissars try to drive us all into a **** heap of senseless lowest-common-denominator equality. Not the Rightest pork-fat scumbags pushing predatory corporations to make more weapons and take over more countries in the name of fatuous democracy. Not the Centrists who work both sides against the middle.

No.

Instead, radical.

The root.

The place where the individual has a vision and follows it. The place where such individuals come together and make futures of freedom.

[Octavusprime]

Bernie is the one the establishment truly fears winning the election. He is the only one who has fought against the machine for his entire adult life.


Obviously you didn't see this the first time (or you have some high quality blinders going on ... or other).

I differ with you on Trump but Sanders is clearly a better choice than the rest.

Still ... he isn't all that.

The system is going stark raving mad trying to stop Trump ... they are simply ignoring Bernie.

There may be a story there.


That said ... presidents have long come under the thumb of their "masters" so I wonder what either Sanders or Trump could actually do ...


I expect Trump would give it his best ... Sanders I expect would quickly fall in line as do most all politicians.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8BTMK9c1XE

I heard you. I just completely and whole heartily disagree with your assessment that he has no chance. Bernie hasn't fallen in line yet, he isn't about to now.

[Calz]

I heard you. I just completely and whole heartily disagree with your assessment that he has no chance. Bernie hasn't fallen in line yet, he isn't about to now.




Fair enough :)

The "superdelegate" issue has been mentioned a few times in the thread.

It sux.

To be honest I hope you are right. Hillary must be stopped or it's game over ...


This short vid shows what Bernie is up against. Not a hit piece.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5iQC4Q0Da8#t=293


Transcript of video:

I’ve seen signs at several businesses throughout Austin who were staunch supporters of Ron Paul 4 years ago, now with Bernie Sanders signs.

To many it may not make sense because they are polar opposites ideologically, but there is some common ground.

Both Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders followed their principles consistently over decades of public office — in a word, authentic. You know what these guys are about. Both Ron Paul & Bernie Sanders had a long association with a mainstream political party that they were never really a part of — never a part of the club, never a part of the establishment. It’s why the establishment hates them. It’s why we identify with them.

We’re not in that club either.

And the supporters of both of these men speak of the movement behind their candidates as a “revolution.”

But the system is obdurate. It hates change. The establishment of both parties each has its ways of controlling access to power.

An article today on the Drudge Report speaks of the Undemocratic Democrat Party rules.

At issue are the superdelegates, the superheroes of the party: current office holders, former office holders, party apparatchiks and — lobbyists. In fact, 1 out of 7 (14%) of the superdelegates are lobbyists or former lobbyists.

Bernie Sanders started out as a 450 delegate underdog. Hillary was one sixth of the way to the finish line before the first vote was cast. So far, 7 million people have voted. But 473 people, that none of us know, account for 42% of the delegates so far. In last night’s Michigan election, Hillary lost but got more delegates.

Both parties are dishonest and oppressive.

The political parties should be abolished or replaced with new parties. But with the rules currently in place, the best we can hope for is a hostile takeover.

A hostile takeover is easier under the rules of the Republican party.

As Nate Silver of 538 pointed out, the rules in the Republican Party are not as restrictive as the Democrat Party’s rules.

And it helps if you have a billionaire who doesn’t need the money of the multinational, corporate donors.

Donald Trump doesn’t have the grandfatherly demeanor of Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders, but as gruff as he may be, he is not dependent on establishment donors and he’s willing to fight.

And there’s some commonality between Trump, Bernie Sanders & Ron Paul.

Like Bernie and Ron, Trump has also stood consistently and alone against the establishment for decades.

Trump’s stand has been in opposition to unfair trade that is taking our jobs and destroying our economy 35 years ago he paid $100,000 for an ad in the NY Times to oppose the trade and war policies of the multinational corporations — the globalists. He has opposed the Republican orthodoxy of so-called “free trade” and of being the world’s policeman.

And he has said it to their face.

He has called for:
• ending NAFTA
• auditing the Fed
• releasing the secret 28 pages of the 9/11 report

He will stop TPP & TTIP and stop exporting jobs.

Neocons and those who want to provoke wars for profit for the military industrial complex are his biggest critics. For all his bluster, he has long criticized American militarism and confronted JEB, to his face, on the lies about “weapons of mass destruction” that were used to start the Iraq War.

But most of all, he’s not a part of the club.

Globalists hate him. Multinational corporations hate him. The political establishment hates him and the warmongers hate him. Think about it!

He’s closer to Bernie than he is to Hillary.

And no one personifies cronyism and corruption more than Hillary Clinton. She must be defeated.

Bloomberg said he would enter the race to stop Bernie and Trump if Hillary wasn’t the nominee. Bloomberg understands what’s at stake.

FOX news and the establishment understand what’s at stake. Do you?

[Calz]

This keeps on getter stranger every day ... :ROFL:

_________________


Shock: Rubio Campaigns For Kasich in Ohio

Rubio to drop out before Florida?

Kit Daniels | Infowars.com - March 11, 2016


Marco Rubio’s campaign is telling Ohio supporters to vote for John Kasich – instead of Rubio – to “defeat Trump.”


“If you are a Republican primary voter in Ohio and you want to defeat Donald Trump, your best chance in Ohio is John Kasich,” Rubio’s communications director Alex Conant said Friday on CNN.

When asked if he was actually telling Rubio supporters to vote for Kasich on March 15, Conant confirmed his statement, adding: “Yeah, my answer is John Kasich is the one candidate in Ohio that can beat Donald Trump.”

“That’s stating the obvious,” he continued. “So… if you’re a Republican primary voter in Ohio, and you don’t want Donald Trump to be the nominee, John Kasich is your best bet.”

It is unprecedented for a presidential campaign to tell supporters to vote for the rival candidate, which indicates Rubio may drop out of the race before the Florida primary on Tuesday, a primary he’s expected to lose despite being his home state.

A major loss in Florida could destroy Rubio’s political career.


http://www.infowars.com/shock-rubio-campaigns-for-kasich-in-ohio/

[onawah]

It goes without saying, but it's wishful thinking that Trump would be able single-handed to stop the TPP and TTIP and stop exporting jobs.


(from the transcript of the video)
He will stop TPP & TTIP and stop exporting jobs.

[Calz]

These "people" are so very disgusting. Are they really people ... clones ... subhuman ... give it your best shot ...

Anyone remember the yuks the crowd got with cowboy bush regarding WMD in Iraq (below)?

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Obama Mocks Cruz at State Dinner: “Where Else Could a Boy Born in Calgary Run for President of the United States”

Jim Hoft Mar 10th, 2016 11:33 pm

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/obama-mocks-cruz-at-state-dinner-where-else-could-a-boy-born-in-calgary-run-for-president-of-the-united-states/


_____________


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKX6luiMINQ#t=63

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It goes without saying, but it's wishful thinking that Trump would be able single-handed to stop the TPP and TTIP and stop exporting jobs.


(from the transcript of the video)
He will stop TPP & TTIP and stop exporting jobs.



Have you seen me post anywhere in the thread I gave him more than 1% chance of getting into office (much less reversing the whole agenda of the globalists???)

[onawah]

No Calz, but you weren't being quoted there, it was taken from "Infowars Message to Bernie Sanders Supporters" .

[Calz]

I like the "hostile takeover" in reference to the business term.

I would prefer the military coup ... but so many of those with the moral fortitude have been "relieved of duty" due to their response on whether or not they would give the orders to fire on Americans.

Not talking about removing a few bad apples ... the whole system is rotten to the core.

White hats ... such a yesterday concept ... at least at the federal level.

State and local I have *no* doubt has many on board.


so ...


Anything we as PA members can do other than point out the fraud in the elections cycle???


Time is almost up.

[PurpleLama]

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[Calz]

czSqKSMr3Rw

That was a big downtime for the forum ... gave me a chance to watch this.

Any having any doubts about the electronic voting system then please ... it will put any doubt to rest.

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[ozmirage]

WE DON' WAN NO STINKIN' DEMOCRACY
=\=\=\=\=\=

Democracy is inherently flawed because it accepts that a group can deny the rights of an individual.

Whoever trusts their rights to the whims of a majority is a good candidate for democratic abuse.

Fortunately, America is promised a republican form of government.
Unfortunately, not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define it nor identify its source.
(No, it's not synonymous with "a republic" nor is it a "constitutional republic.")

And this is no accident. . . the knowledge was carefully excised from the public's collective memory by the world's greatest propaganda ministry.

. . .
. .
.
One of these 5 items is not part of the republican form:

[] Endowed rights
[] Absolute ownership of private property
[] Voting and holding public office
[] Natural liberty
[] Sovereignty

.
..
...
Coincidentally, AMERICA is the only NATION on Earth with a republican form of government.

Despite all the revolutions and new nations formed after 1776, not one of them could institute a republican form.


FYI:
GOVERNMENT (Republican Form of Government)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people... directly...
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695

.................................................. ...............
ALIEN, n. An American sovereign in his probationary state.
- - - - “The Devil’s Dictionary” (1906), by Ambrose Bierce
(copies can be downloaded from gutenberg.org)
.................................................. ...............

“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . ."
- - - John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z

It will be admitted on all hands that with the exception of the powers granted to the states and the federal government, through the Constitutions, the people of the several states are unconditionally sovereign within their respective states.
Ohio L. Ins. & T. Co. v. Debolt 16 How. 416, 14 L.Ed. 997

In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

Sovereignty itself is, of course not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]

People (Americans) are sovereigns - individually.
Coincidentally, citizens are subjects, by definition. Citizens have mandatory civic duties that refute any notion of sovereignty.

SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425

"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
- - - State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
Since citizenship comes with mandatory civic duties *(which include militia duty - the obligation to train, fight, and die, on command), no American can be "born a citizen," without being born a slave - which would be a violation of the Declaration of Independence, the republican form of government, and the 13th amendment.

The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, MILITIA, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".
.....
If not involuntary servitude banned by the 13th amendment, it must be VOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

Ergo, citizenship was and is a voluntary assertion in the united States of America.
Title 10 USC Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The MILITIA of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and,... under 45 years of age who are, ... CITIZENS of the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
“The great draft riot in New York City in July 1863 involved Irish immigrants who had been signed up as citizens to swell the vote of the city's Democratic political machine, not realizing it made them liable for the draft.”
It would appear that "Government approved education" has omitted many many facts that keep Americans in the dark about their history and law.
. . .
“ It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

Make no mistake!
• The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to life.
• But citizens have no inalienable (endowed) right to life.
• The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to natural and personal liberty.
• But citizens have only civil and political liberty.
• The Declaration says : YOU have an endowed right to absolutely own private property (upon which you can pursue happiness without permission of a superior).
• But citizens have no private property, absolutely owned... a portion can be claimed by the government.

If you've consented to be a citizen, you have NO ENDOWED RIGHTS.
Zip. Nada. Bumpkiss. Empty Set. Nought.
Any presumption to the contrary is an error not supported by law nor court ruling.

The government can order you to train, fight, and die, on command.
The government can take a portion of your property -or wages - or whatever - as it sees fit.
All authorized by your consent to be a CITIZEN (state or U.S.).
(The USCON complies with this, too. People have rights and powers. Citizens have privileges and immunities. And they’re mutually exclusive.)


ANSWER TO SHORT QUIZ:
#3 is not part of the republican form of government.
Sovereigns do not vote nor serve in government. Government and its subject citizenry serve the sovereign people - what few remain.

Do you wish to be :
❏ SOVEREIGN - under the republican form of government, or
❏ SUBJECT - under the democratic form of government?

[raregem]

POST #281 from Onawah - that was hilarious and honest. What a bright generation !

[Calz]

WE DON' WAN NO STINKIN' DEMOCRACY
=\=\=\=\=\=

Democracy is inherently flawed because it accepts that a group can deny the rights of an individual.

Whoever trusts their rights to the whims of a majority is a good candidate for democratic abuse.

Fortunately, America is promised a republican form of government.
Unfortunately, not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define it nor identify its source.
(No, it's not synonymous with "a republic" nor is it a "constitutional republic.")

And this is no accident. . . the knowledge was carefully excised from the public's collective memory by the world's greatest propaganda ministry.



Yep ... so what shall we do????

Time for solutions and time is gone ...

[Calz]

You know that's the thing.

We can rail against the problems until the cows come home.

We need some addressing of solutions.


If not then what???

[ljwheat]

Did anyone see what i saw on live cnn coverage of the Chicago protest, after running the worst part on a loop like sports agony of delete, or 911 over and over,,,,, but into about a hour of reporting they started with the res-ponce of different people and suddenly cut away an started showing Obama speaking! When i realized Obama was Drunk and speaking like a drunk :_:_the Media broke away the second they realized his stooper. ?

On top of paid staged false flag demonstration, the controlled Media decided to stop the Trump train with there corrupt one sided reporting. are we looking at the begining of the end of america,, civil war all over again with the media fueling every-move.

this 911 loop will fuel the down fall of this nation.........

[ozmirage]

WE DON' WAN NO STINKIN' DEMOCRACY
=\=\=\=\=\=

Democracy is inherently flawed because it accepts that a group can deny the rights of an individual.

Whoever trusts their rights to the whims of a majority is a good candidate for democratic abuse.

Fortunately, America is promised a republican form of government.
Unfortunately, not 1 in 100,000 Americans can accurately define it nor identify its source.
(No, it's not synonymous with "a republic" nor is it a "constitutional republic.")

And this is no accident. . . the knowledge was carefully excised from the public's collective memory by the world's greatest propaganda ministry.



Yep ... so what shall we do????

Time for solutions and time is gone ...
Actually, that is not true. In reading the law, it is clear that the REPUBLICAN FORM is still on the books. That we don't know what it is, allows "the Powers" to trick us.

Short form:
Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, government has two jobs:
1. Secure rights, and
2. Govern those who consent.
Caveat: Consent waives job #1.
To restore your status and rights under the republican form of government, your remedy is to withdraw consent.

What to do:
[] 1st step is education... and check local laws to verify the status of American nationals / free inhabitants domiciled upon private property. Also verify natural and personal liberty are still protected.

[] 2nd step is to acquire a domicile (private property - not real estate) so one has a domain upon which to exercise natural liberty.

[] 3rd step is to cease exercising any privilege associated with FICA, usury, socialism, submission, etc.

[] 4th step is to correct the public record, where needed. For example, Form SS-5, application for a SocSec account and number is limited to U.S. citizens / U.S. residents. In contrast, American nationals / inhabitants are ineligible to participate - nor would they wish to.

[] 5th step is to live free as our forefathers endowed us, with servant government sworn to secure our rights, and nothing more.
- - -
Remember the 9th and 10th amendments? Government acknowledges that their delegated powers cannot infringe upon endowed rights and liberties of the people (not the citizenry). In the statutes enacted (not the 'code'), you will find escape clauses, exceptions and exclusions so that the government cannot "accidentally" trespass endowed rights. And even if the exception is NOT explicitly noted, the terms can be changed.

Proof:
To illustrate how government may enact laws that do not apply to everyone, consider "shall" versus "may."

SHALL - As used in statutes, contracts, or the like, this word is generally imperative or mandatory... But it may be construed as merely permissive or directory (as equivalent to "may"), to carry out the legislative intention and in cases where no right or benefit depends on its being taken in the imperative sense, and where no public or private right is impaired by its interpretation in the other sense.
- - - Blacks Law dictionary, Sixth ed., p.1375

MAY - Word "may" usually is employed to imply permissive, optional or discretional, and not mandatory action or conduct... In construction of statutes and presumably of federal rules word "may" as opposed to "shall" is indicative of discretion or choice between two or more alternatives, but context is which word appears must be controlling factor.
- - - Blacks Law dictionary, Sixth ed., p.979If a law states, "It shall be unlawful..." and you can show that if the law was mandatory in your case it would violate a PRIVATE RIGHT, the law can be construed to mean "It may be unlawful..." and merely optional, permissive or directory, without penalty for disobedience.

Another clever trick - - -
"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and] statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it." Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct. 2529 (1979) (quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61 S.Ct. 742 (1941)).

"A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any person'".
Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)
...
Does government KNOW the difference?

Coincidentally, when government wishes a law to be applicable to everyone, it uses the phrase, "Whoever ...". When the law is not applicable to everyone, it uses the phrase, "Any person who ....".
Title 18 USC § 111. Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain
officers or employees
(a) In General.-- Whoever--
(1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties;
Contrast with:
Title 18 USC § 228. Failure to pay legal child support obligations
(a) Offense.-- Any person who--
(1) willfully fails to pay a support obligation with respect to a child who resides in another State, if such obligation has remained unpaid for a period longer than 1 year, or is greater than $5,000...
The average person (indoctrinated serf) would not know that the second law had limited applicability to subject persons who had enrolled into national socialism and thus gave their consent to be bound to obedience.

(This exclusion is in addition to exemptions, exclusions, and clauses based on the law not violating endowed rights and liberties of the sovereign people.)

And if you thought GOVERNMENT was the sovereign, Justice John Jay says otherwise:

"... Sovereignty is the right to govern; a nation or State sovereign is the person or persons in whom that resides. In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."
- - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z

Government is the "agent" for the sovereign people, obedient in "securing endowed rights." Government is NOT the sovereign, but the servant.

The sovereign American people have the right to govern - themselves. They descend to servants, when in the government. And to be eligible to serve in the government, they must assert citizenship - which entails accepting mandatory civic duties which amount to a surrender of endowed rights to life, liberty and absolute ownership of private property. (This is how “Selective Service” is not involuntary servitude)

In the republican form, the president is not the 'leader' but the highest ranking SERVANT, one step below the LOWEST American sovereign.


Addendum: Though most Americans believe there is only citizenship, the servant government recognizes that non-citizen American nationals exist and serves them. You can write to the State department and ask about the procedure for non-citizen American nationals (not to be confused with U.S. nationals) to get a passport.

In the 1993 edition of the 1992 US Code (50 titles), I found only ONE reference to American nationals.

Title 8, USC Sec. 1502. Certificate of nationality issued by the Secretary of State for person not a naturalized citizen of the United States for use in proceedings of a foreign state.
“ The Secretary of State is authorized to issue, in his discretion and in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed by him, a certificate of nationality for any person not a naturalized citizen of the United States who presents satisfactory evidence that he is an American national and that such certificate is needed for use in judicial or administrative proceedings in a foreign state. Such certificate shall be solely for the use in the case for which it was issued and shall be transmitted by the Secretary of State through appropriate channels to the judicial or administrative officers of the foreign state in which it is to be used.”

That is ALL that the Federal government will say about American nationals.

[Chester]

On February 28th, 2016, Last Week Tonight with John Oliver broadcast their "epic takedown" of Republican Presidential Candidate Donald Trump. Oliver criticized Trump's business history, licensing of his brand, possible insecurities, potential inconsistencies, self-funding of his campaign, telling it like it is, political correctness and created the Donald Drumpf meme.

Includes: Jon Stewart's name change, Trump University, Trump Steaks, Politifact, Trump Vodka, Trump Shuttle, Go Trump, Trump Magazines, Trump Mortgage Company, Disavowing David Duke, Ku Klux Klan and much more!

Isn't this just a bit ridiculously over the top? I mean do we really need a 90 minute analysis of a 20 minute comedy bit?

I wonder, isn't posting almost anything... thoughts, comments, comments of others, detailed analysis videos, etc.... all ridiculous? See anything changing that alters the general direction?

anyways - reality check -

33030

[ozmirage]

If you wondered why there is no real difference between the Demopublicans and Republicrats - - -

Since 1933, "the Establishment" has been a socialist democratic collectivist police state.

This is the consequence of Americans embracing the notion it was a "good thing" for government to TAKE from one to GIVE to another.
Such a policy voids private property rights (absolute ownership) and effectively ended constitutional government.
. . . .
Senate Report 93-549
https://archive.org/.../sen.../senate-report-93-549_djvu.txt

War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."

FREEDOMS ... GUARANTEED BY THE CONSTITUTION ... HAVE BEEN ABRIDGED BY LAWS ... UNDER EMERGENCY RULE ...

Constitutional U.S.A. (1787 - 1933) R.I.P.

Americans have lived under a two party perpetually indebted benevolent communist totalitarian police state dictatorship* using emergency rules for 83 years (as of 2016) ... and still haven't a clue that the constitutional government has been dead since 1933.

We’re on the threshold of the final transition to the People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of America.

KUDOS to the WORLD’S GREATEST PROPAGANDA MINISTRY.

(* Title 12 USC sec. 95(a), 95(b) grants pre-approved powers to the president and the secretary of treasury during this “emergency.” BTW - the secretary of treasury is also the U.S. governor of the World Bank, IMF, etc, etc, and shall not be paid by the U.S. government. Title 22 USC Sec. 286a(d)1. He is paid by the fiduciary agent - the Federal Reserve corporation. Connect the dots?)

In essence, the two parties are but partisan wings of the same vulture feeding on America.... and they don't "work" for the American people.

[Calz]

Thank you ozmirage for your recent posts. Amazing stuff there.

"Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?" ... Queensryche.


Wow ... a little (Soros) money seems to go a long ways these days.

Getting ugly out there ...

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Soros Funded MoveOn.org Takes Credit for Violence in Chicago

A precursor to activity the organization will engage in as as the election approaches

Kurt Nimmo | Infowars.com - March 12, 2016

Ilya Sheyman, a failed Illinois contender for Congress and the executive director of MoveOn.org Political Action, has taken credit for the violence at a cancelled Trump event last night in Chicago. He promised similar violence and disruption will occur at future Trump political events leading up to the election.


http://www.infowars.com/soros-funded-moveon-org-takes-credit-for-violence-in-chicago/

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Security Scare at Trump Rally

Domestic extremist attempts to jump Trump

Paul Joseph Watson - March 12, 2016


Here’s the scary moment when security stepped in to protect Trump from a potential attack in Ohio.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNelSuoHzlI


If and when one of these domestic extremists takes a pot shot at Trump, the media probably will blame Trump and his supporters.


http://www.infowars.com/security-scare-at-trump-rally/


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Blood Spilled At Violent Anti-Trump Rally

St. Louis residents clash with Trump supporters

Infowars.com - March 12, 2016


Black Lives Matter protesters aggressively confronts Trump supporters as a St. Louis Trump rally descended into chaos.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL2Yy9DKdzo

[Arcturian108]

Regarding standing up to the system goes, all you have to do is look at who on MSNBC knocked the Florida governor off the air and you have a clue. Mika Brzezinski. the daughter of Zbigniew Brzezinski, the foreign policy wonk for the current and former Democratic presidents with an extreme hatred for Soviet Russia.

[onawah]

I read something that made me think again about what role Trump may be playing in this election (and maybe it's what Calz has been trying to say all along--sorry if I've been dense, Calz!)
It's from a channeler whose info I read now and then not because I think it's necessarily accurate, but because it sometimes makes me think about things from a different perspective.
(But that it's channeled info isn't the point, or I would post this in the channeled subforum -- though that would be fine too if the Mods deem it so.)
The point is the idea that is being suggested, which makes me see Trump's role as possibly a more useful phenomena than I was previously considering.
But judge for yourself. Here's the message which is from: http://bluestarspeaks.com/category/01blue-star/

Ironically, there is a prominent Black Hat whose mission although non-academic and “ON THE SURFACE” appearing to be far less than Spiritual, is fulfilling a mission assignment of “running” for President in the U.S.A. and being sure to stir up much confusion, battling away at many belief systems and most certainly telling it as it is, whether peoples anywhere want to hear the words and sentiments of this Soul or not! This Soul forces peoples to listen to many truths which they had avoided hearing in the past. This Soul’s Voice of Reason may seem unreasonable at times to some peoples, however I suggest you learn to “read between the lines of the verbiage.” Some assignments are…ahem…more volatile than others. This was indeed a plan of action set forth so very long ago in order to SHAKE, SHAKE, SHAKE the poisonous fruit from the poisonous trees.

What I am noticing now is not so much how outrageous and inappropriate some of Trump's remarks and actions have been, but that the "stirring up" that is occurring is making people face up to much of the suppressed anger, hatred, suspicion, etc. etc. that they have been carrying around for a long time, and bringing it to light.
This can erupt into violence in the most extreme circumstances, but it can also be a healthy thing, shaking people more awake.
I don't mean this in any rose-colored glasses New Agey kind of way, but just in a very practical sense--we certainly don't want TPTW to be in power anymore, and justice needs to be served, but there's really no point in holding onto all that old anger and resentment--it's stifling and enervating, in the long run.
I think the result may be there may be a continuing upsurge in energy, as we are seeing in the youth that are supporting Sanders in increasing numbers.
If we have any hope at all, it's got to be in the youth.
Sanders isn't perfect, by any means, but if he inspires enough grass roots enthusiasm, I think it will be very hard to suppress and subvert.
That's a good sign, at least, and the current astrological indications for that to continue are good, as far as I can see...

[Calz]

Another FB vid I cannot post so take the link if interested.

It is being suggested that many involved with the violence have been wearing Bernie Sanders shirts and this all a big false flag type of attack funded by Soros, Hillary and others (even a possible white house connection) to weaken and confuse the bases of both Sanders and Trump.

Starting to play serious hardball now ...

Also mentions a possible lawsuit building for voter fraud in many of the states which *could* impact what happens at the convention.

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Breaking: Anti-Trump Protest Funded and Directed by Hillary

Political insider reveals latest attempt to bring down Trump

Infowars.com - March 12, 2016


Alex Jones speaks with political insider Roger Stone on the plan by Hillary Clinton to disrupt Donald Trump rallies with radical left-wing provocateurs.



http://www.infowars.com/breaking-anti-trump-protest-funded-and-directed-by-hillary/

[Calz]

This is hard to listen to.

I post it because this "event" is really unique and it offers a taste of what is really going on "down on the streets."

I hazard to speculate Soros pays rather well???

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Black Trump Supporter Accosted by Black Lives Matter Protestors

Leftist protesters descend on Trump rallies nationwide

Infowars.com - March 12, 2016



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9MCvK2MGs#t=309


At the Donald Trump rally in St. Louis a black man is accosted by a group of Black Lives Matter protestors for supporting Trump and not buying into their racist rhetoric.



http://www.infowars.com/black-trump-supporter-accosted-by-black-lives-matter-protestors/

[T Smith]

This is hard to listen to.

I post it because this "event" is really unique and it offers a taste of what is really going on "down on the streets."

I hazard to speculate Soros pays rather well???

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Black Trump Supporter Accosted by Black Lives Matter Protestors

Leftist protesters descend on Trump rallies nationwide

Infowars.com - March 12, 2016



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI9MCvK2MGs#t=309


At the Donald Trump rally in St. Louis a black man is accosted by a group of Black Lives Matter protestors for supporting Trump and not buying into their racist rhetoric.



http://www.infowars.com/black-trump-supporter-accosted-by-black-lives-matter-protestors/

Yes, very hard to listen to. This is Social Engineering and the Art of Balkanization 101.

I don't like where this is heading. Soros et. all may have finally found the Trump movement's Achilles heal.

The mob is angry, folks. On all sides. These sides have been synthetically carved out with care and precision for years. Conditions are now rife for a large swath of all creeds and colors to fall into their respective places, by design.

This is when it gets dangerous. Unfortunately, an angry mob is rudimentary consciousness, overly sensitive to oppression and manipulation, but blind to its root and cause. Ironically, when agitated as such it is a very easy for social engineers to manipulate en masse that consciousness, channel the anger, and actually create the very bias and bigotry that fuels the divide, as well as drive the agenda forward in high gear.

If the end goal is violence and unrest, we're definitely in the eleventh hour.

[ozmirage]

The mob is angry, folks. On all sides. These sides have been synthetically carved out with care and precision for years. Conditions are now rife for a large swath of the masses of all creeds and colors to fall into their respective places, by design.

This is when it gets dangerous. . . . If the end goal is violence and unrest, we're definitely in the eleventh hour.

IMHO, the "end goal" is the implementation of the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America sans that pesky charter of ‘negative liberties’ (saith BHO and his minions), and thus abolishing the birthright that the Founders bequeathed to us.

Either Americans rediscover and restore their republican form of government, unique in the world, or shall suffer collapse. What arises from the ashes, one can only speculate in fear and trepidation.

- - -
On the other hand, if Americans decided to withdraw consent - - -
What would be different?
[] Based on a 97% withdrawal from usury, socialism and subjugation to the State, the government's budget would shrink at least 97%, as well as reducing the number of subjects by 97%
[] Widespread practice of the carrying of firearms to secure rights, now that the professionals are no longer funded
[] Institution of alternative private money to replace the broken debt-credit system
[] Repatriation of all troops and material from foreign nations (We can't afford to bribe foreign nations to accept our troops)
[] Expunction of the public debt (for fraud)
[] End of all public subsidies, pensions, and entitlements
...
What would be different?
__ No social safety net
__ No public charity
__ No oppressive administrative bureaucracy
__ No limited liability
__ No federal reserve notes (dollar bills) - part of the debt that was expunged

...
A 97% reduction in government is superior to a 100% collapse.

[TargeT]

First attempt?

I don't know WHAT this guy was thinking... haha
06d4t1704N8

[A Voice from the Mountains]

I don't like where this is heading. Soros et. all may have finally found the Trump movement's Achilles heal.

It's just the same bag of tricks the CIA and its flunkies have been using for decades. Funding protests and riots like they do in foreign countries to take out governments and politicians they don't like, playing the race card, using any kind of divisive propaganda, threatening violence.

It's amazing that some people actually think that Trump is an "establishment" candidate when none of the fascist leaders of late have ever had this kind of constant mainstream resistance and smears and personal attacks. The Bushes and Clintons get into office with the support of the media and its propaganda machine, and anyone making comparisons to Nazi Germany is called a crank or a conspiracy theorist and ignored. Now that they finally bring out this kind of language against a candidate, I have a great deal of confidence that this is someone that the real fascists do not want in office.

He's already said that he's going to prosecute Hillary if he gets elected, so Hillary must feel like she's in an almost life-and-death struggle to make sure she wins, let alone what the Bush family is feeling, or the mass-murdering Netanyahu in Israel. These people aren't too happy right now, and they're going to be trying everything.

[Calz]

First attempt?

I don't know WHAT this guy was thinking... haha
06d4t1704N8


Even that is starting to have the reek of a staged setup ...

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CNN Gives Airtime To Guy Who Admitted He Wanted To MURDER Trump

What the hell?

Steve Watson | Infowars.com - March 14, 2016


CNN interviewed the guy who attempted to jump Donald Trump in Dayton, Ohio last week – giving him a platform to throw insults at the GOP frontrunner, despite the fact that he admitted he wanted to kill Trump.

Thomas Dimassimo, the guy who jumped the security fence and got close to Trump before being apprehended, had declared on Twitter that he wanted to “be a martyr” and posted an emoji of gun.

Appearing on CNN, Dimassimo, an admitted Bernie Sanders supporter, said he rushed the stage because “Donald Trump is a bully.”

He was then given a platform on national TV to spew vitriol at Trump:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-VO9CKhBC0


http://www.infowars.com/cnn-gives-airtime-to-guy-who-admitted-he-wanted-to-murder-trump/

[Calz]

Well ... there we have it ...

The FIX is in (even more than before if this is accurate).

I guess they didn't want to be outdone by the democrats.

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RNC Says Delegates Not Bound to Primary Votes

Establishment desperation highlights a rigged political system

Kurt Nimmo | Infowars.com - March 14, 2016


On Friday the Republican National Committee Standing Rules Committee told its membership convention delegates are not bound to the will of Americans who voted in the primary.

Curly Haugland of the Republican National Committeeman for North Dakota said in a letter sent out on March 11 delegates may “vote according to their personal choice in all matters to come before the Republican National Convention, including the vote to nominate the Republican Candidate for President” and disregard voters.

Haugland dismisses primaries as “nearly worthless ‘beauty contests’” and believes delegates “have been bound only once in the history of the Republican Party.”

(snip)


Grafting the Superdelegate Scam on the GOP

Haugland’s letter announced establishment Republicans have more or less adopted the Democrat super delegate process in an effort to make sure Donald Trump does not emerge from the convention a winner.

“If the Republican nomination were contested under Democratic delegate rules instead, Trump would find it almost impossible to get a majority of delegates, and a floor fight in Cleveland would already be all but inevitable,” writes Silver.

It is not clear if the Republican strategy will work. However, it does signal that the GOP is busy attempting to fix the race and steal the nomination for one of the candidates who will likely remain in the race despite dismal numbers.



http://www.infowars.com/rnc-says-delegates-not-bound-to-primary-votes/

[Calz]

Not sure where this belongs but since it had to do with the violence in Chicago against a Trump rally I guess I will park it here.

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Sheriff Clarke: There Is A ‘Stealth Totalitarian Movement’ Against Free Speech

"Everything has to be put through an approval meter"

Steve Watson | Infowars.com - March 15, 2016


Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke warned Monday that free speech is under assault from totalitarians in the US, ironically calling themselves protesters.

Appearing on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show, Clarke weighed in on the violence in Chicago last week during anti-Trump rallies.

“Sean, everything is ass-backwards in the country, right now,” Clarke said. “We’re looking at rioting, we’re calling it protesting. The cops are the bad guys, the crooks are the victims now.”



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9J2M8RvpGc


Clarke further warned that there is an organised attack on free speech going on.

“This is a totalitarian movement. It’s very stealth, okay? I know who these people are, I’ve seen it.” the Sheriff said.


“This is a conglomeration of misfits: You have cop-haters, you have anarchists, you have criminals, you have some rowdy juveniles, you have organized labor,” he continued.


“This is an attempt to shut down free speech,” Clark continued, urging that “Everything that’s said when one wants to express themselves has to be put through an approval meter.”

Referring specifically to the riots that prevented a Trump rally from going ahead, Clarke added “These presidential activities are part of our democratic process. The people who showed up in Chicago had every right under the Constitution to participate in this election process and they were denied.”

Clarke is bang on the money. Free speech and the democratic process was shut down in Chicago by a rabble who refuse to tolerate the opinions of those they disagree with, and even undecided voters who do not automatically side with them, as noted by these students:


http://www.infowars.com/sheriff-clarke-there-is-a-stealth-totalitarian-movement-against-free-speech/

[greybeard]

What if not one single vote was cast for any candidate?
That would really send a message.
Of course marshal law would be imposed--the military would take over.

Chris

[TargeT]

What if not one single vote was cast for any candidate?
That would really send a message.
Of course marshal law would be imposed--the military would take over.

Chris

Then the electoral college would do what it always does, the popular vote is meaningless in presidential elections..... it's just a side show for the "useless breathers"

[ozmirage]

Then the electoral college would do what it always does, the popular vote is meaningless in presidential elections..... it's just a side show for the "useless breathers"
Maligning the Electoral College is popular, but before it was amended into uselessness, it was a key feature of the Founders' ideal for America.

Remember, America was not founded as a democracy, with a "populist" government (where the majority could bludgeon the minority via the ballot). Americans were promised a republican form, where governments were instituted to SECURE RIGHTS. It doesn't take a democrazy popularity contest to pick a chief executive officer.

In fact, the Founders feared democrazies, and especially partisan political parties. They allowed for populism and partisanship in the House and Senate, but for the impartial execution of laws, they did not want partisans in power. (That's why they did not adopt the Parliamentary system, where the majority party also executes the law.)

The remedy was the Electoral College. Under the original recipe, the one with the most votes became president. The next guy (his rival) became his "vice" - literally! The reason why the VP had no explicit duties, was that his job was to be the "fly on the wall," insuring that Mr Prez wasn't playing footsy with partisans. Remember, the Executive branch appoints officers, a power which is easily abused. (Unfortunately, it worked too well. George Washington hated his VP, so the EC was amended into voting for a pair of candidates, insuring parties would gain control of the Executive branch.)

If the Electoral College was restored to preeminence, there would be no need for national campaigns, campaign funding and financing (legalized bribery), nor advertisements. Each district would elect an Elector whose judgment was trusted, to go and form the College.

I'd augment the original E.C. with the power to hold public hearings and investigate each candidate for office, as well as interview witnesses. At the end, the president and his rival would enter public office, beholden to the Electors, not to financiers standing in the wings.

[ThePythonicCow]

My guess is that Trump -is- working in cooperation with the Bastards in Power.

Bill Clinton won by splitting the Republicans using a "wild card" on the outside, Ross Perot. I expect that Hillary Clinton will win by splitting the Republican party using a "wild card" on the inside, Donald Trump.

A successful Republican candidate "runs to the right" in the Primary, and "runs to the center" in the General election. Trump will run to the "wild side" all the way, losing too much inside Republican boss, funding, and election stealing support ... and he knows it and is having fun playing his role as scoundrel in this staged event.

(Of course, my last dozen political predictions have all been wrong :D)

On second thought (inspired by my recent post on gun rights (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89458-Obama-s-new-supreme-court-justice-nominee-and-globalist-pawn&p=1053803&viewfull=1#post1053803)) it may be worse than I thought.

Pretty clearly the Bastards in Power are stirring up as much anger in the populace as they can, in many ways (Blacks, guns, ...).

If a brokered Republican convention steals the nomination from Trump, that will further enrage many of the very people who are already pissed off at the government.

As one blade of grass said to another in the forest: "I think someone's trying to start a fire around here. They keep piling up dry tinder and pouring gasoline on it."

[ThePythonicCow]

Ah - the violence at recent Trump rallies feeds this same effort, enraging the very people who are already pissed off.

This post I just noticed on someone's blog says as much, in more detail, from George Soros & The Media – Creating a Civil War with Trump, by Outlaw Morgan (http://investmentwatchblog.com/george-soros-the-media-creating-a-civil-war-with-trump-outlaw-morgan/):

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Anyone who has half a brain can see how all the Trump rally violence has come to be. You should be able to be honest enough to see that people are going to Trump rallies to create chaos and then the media tells the world that him and his supporters are racist bigots and they are responsible for it. FALSE

This is paving the way for a major Civil Unrest… I don’t want it but the days of being afraid are coming to an end. Either we realize that if we keep playing into it we all loose.

George Soros has and is funding all the organizations that are pushing this to light. I think the time to meet violence with violence is approaching faster than we all think… I used to think it would be use vs them…. now it’s going to be us vs us… what a world we live in uh?
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Here's tatoo'd biker Outlaw Morgan's profanity laced video on the topic: George Soros & The Media - Creating a Civil War with Trump, by Outlaw Morgan (Youtube) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es92lQSPLiI).

Outlaw Morgan is not "my style", but I agree with his conclusion: "This is paving the way for a major Civil Unrest."

[ThePythonicCow]

Here is more evidence of Trump's campaign being used to incite riot. From Anti-Trump Groups Threaten ‘Largest Civil Disobedience Action of the Century’ (Breitbart.com) (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/16/anti-trump-groups-threaten-largest-civil-disobedience-action-of-the-century/):

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With little fanfare and almost no news media attention, some of the same radical groups involved in shutting down Donald Trump’s Chicago rally last week are plotting a mass civil disobedience movement to begin next month.

They intend to march across the East Coast in order to spark a “fire that transforms the political climate in America.”

The operation, calling itself Democracy Spring, is threatening “drama in Washington” with the “largest civil disobedience action of the century.” The radicals believe this will result in the arrest of thousands of their own activists.

“We will demand that Congress listen to the People and take immediate action to save our democracy. And we won’t leave until they do — or until they send thousands of us to jail,” the website (http://www.democracyspring.org/) for Democracy Spring declares, channeling rhetoric from the Occupy movement.

The group is backed by numerous organizations, including the George Soros funded groups MoveOn.org, the Institute for Policy Studies, and Demos.
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The George Soros and CIA sponsored Arab Spring's that ripped apart many nations in North Africa and the Middle East between 2010 and 2012 are coming to America, as Democracy Spring.

Here's now Wikipedia summarizes the results of these Arab Springs:

By the end of February 2012, rulers had been forced from power in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, and Yemen; civil uprisings had erupted in Bahrain and Syria; major protests had broken out in Algeria, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, and Sudan; and minor protests had occurred in Mauritania, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Djibouti, Western Sahara, and Palestine

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[jagman]

All I know is? The Donald, is driving the Establishment crazy Repubs & Dems!!!
I have to admit it's the best show on TV! He is defying all political wisdom and his numbers go up every
time there is an incident! He has the bigwigs pissed off and they can't touch him. lol but They love the
ratings!!! They just spent 45 million dollars in the past 2 weeks trying to defeat him and what did they
get? (Ohio) 66 delegates. Donald won 4 states... Donald has probably only spent 30 million on his whole
campaign at this point. He wages vicious twitter wars, and gets free press every where he goes and
he probably only pays for his jet fuel lol His jet is a 757 and it's bigger than Air Force One but some how
he has great appeal with the common man! Political Science majors will be studying this Campaign for
years to come! Even if he doesn't win the White House It's a Win,Win for Trump because he will make so
much money! If He wins? Donald will become one of the richest men in the World!

[ThePythonicCow]

The George Soros and CIA sponsored Arab Spring's that ripped apart many nations in North Africa and the Middle East between 2010 and 2012 are coming to America, as Democracy Spring.
See also the "Color Revolutions" in Eastern Europe, and the overthrow of the Ukraine government, descending into chaos, in the last couple of years.

The "Color Revolutions" included the "bulldozer revolution" in Serbia in 2000, the "rose revolution" in Georgia in 2003, the "orange revolution" in Ukraine in December 2004 and then the "tulip revolution" in Kyrgyzstan in early 2005. Then the Euromaidan demonstrations began in Kiev, the Ukraine capital, in November 2013, leading to the collapse of their government in February 2014.

Usually, we saw neo-Nazis involved in the European Color "revolutions", and the Muslim Brotherhood involved in the Arab Spring "revolutions". The same elements seemed behind them all, including Soros, British and US Intelligence and State Departments, Neocons, and Zionists, and hidden further in the fog, various Rothschild-Illuminati influences.

For all those Americans who weren't paying close attention to the news from foreign countries in recent decades ... it looks like they will soon have an opportunity to see it "up more close and personal."

Hillary Clinton, as US Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013, was instrumental in coordinating such revolutions and arming of "freedom fighters" in Libya, Syria, Egypt and I presume elsewhere in the Arab nations of North Africa and the Middle East.

Would it be a "conflict of interest" if she were President of the US, instrumental in a Democracy Spring in the US that overthrew the US government?

[Calz]

For all those Americans who weren't paying close attention to the news from foreign countries in recent decades ... it looks like they will soon have an opportunity to see it "up more close and personal."




Globalists will milk this for all it's worth.

Don't think Trump is a willing participant but he is at least being used.

For decades the globalists have openly spoken about their plans and yet no one seems to be able to do anything other than delay their timetable.

They want the world in every possible form of misery such that we go along with the NWO.

This is a win-win for them. Americans build up hope in Trump and they will play it like a fiddle to *at the right time* break the will of those people. Civil unrest bordering on a revolution/civil war.

If they wanted him dead then he would already be so. How many years has it been that heart attacks can be induced???

Coupled with the usual WW3 and economic collapse ... terror attacks from those being flown into the country ... and you get the picture.

imho



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct3LChRYQLw#t=368

[zen deik]

At this point I think it doesn't matter who gets in, hope for the best prepare for the worst...

[Calz]

This is mildly amusing ( ... which isn't a bad state of mind these days).

Illooneys have allegedly used the Simpsons (among many) for pre-programming us ...

Coincidence???

You decide ...

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'Simpsons' predicted Trump presidency in 2000


By Ryan Parker, The Hollywood Reporter


Updated 5:01 PM ET, Thu March 17, 2016



(The Hollywood Reporter) — It was somewhat of a throwaway line at the time, but make no mistake, it was included very much on purpose.

The now infamous "Bart to the Future" episode of "The Simpsons," which aired almost exactly 16 years ago, on March 19, 2000, predicted a Donald Trump presidency. The outlook was not bright.


"It was a warning to America," writer Dan Greaney tells The Hollywood Reporter.

He adds: "And that just seemed like the logical last stop before hitting bottom. It was pitched because it was consistent with the vision of America going insane."


In the episode, Bart is shown a vision of his life. As an adult, he is pretty much a loser. Lisa, on the other hand, becomes the first "straight female" president of the United States. Enter the possible prediction.

"As you know, we've inherited quite a budget crunch from President Trump," Lisa says to her staff, who inform her the country is broke due to her predecessor. In actuality, Trump will likely be the 2016 GOP presidential nominee.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVpgVa-E3e8


http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/entertainment/simpsons-trump-presidency-thr-feat/index.html

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[Calz]

RNC Elites Ask Why Bother with Elections

RNC openly preparing to ignore will of voters and steal GOP nomination from Donald Trump

Infowars.com - March 17, 2016



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzlmjf95Lg0


Some people thought Obama would create an emergency and suspend elections. But now it looks certain the success of Trump and his supporters in crashing the GOP’s private party has produced an existential emergency for the elites that, in their minds, justifies openly shutting down the election.

First RNC Chair Reince Preibus said the primaries aren’t about elections but about candidates trying to “join us.”

Now other RNC officials and delegates are saying voters’ wishes don’t matter and questioning why we even bother with primaries and caucuses.

They suggest the nominating convention is wide open to former candidates and non-candidates like Speaker Ryan on the same day former speaker Boehner says he wants Ryan coronated as President.

Watch: Roger Stone breaks down the GOP elite’s plan to rob Donald Trump of the upcoming election. As they brazenly admit their plan publicly, Stone announces that Trump is well aware and has his own plan to stop their attempt to crush the voice of the American people.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0whmVDorbw

[Calz]

Way off topic ... or is it?

Black guy and white guy bringing together what is the very best of humanity.

Think about that before you take to the streets ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPcGJahjsHY

[Calz]

We need to bring this to what is real.

MSM ain't going there in case you have not figured that out.



You want NWO then continue to ignore it ...

[Calz]

Bottom line is either we submit to the NWO or we go to war.

Or perhaps we go to war regardless .


Who are these .. peeps ... who think they have the right do decide what humanity at large should be?


Don't get me started ..

[Wide-Eyed]

https://solari.com/blog/did-someone-just-buy-texas-ohio/

Old article but when the 7th largest defense contractor United Technologies makes a 66% over share price bid for Diebold, the major controller of digital voting machines in many states, does it matter what Trump does?

On the board of is Jame Gorlick Asst. Deputy Attorney General in Clinton Administration.

[Calz]

I wish I could post FB vids. Perhaps I could if I were a member but I refuse to go there.

Anyway ...

You know the drill ... take the link.

The title is confusing and sensationalist so I will break it down a bit.

AJ is suggesting Trump is *really* the "real deal" in that he has known about the globalists even before AJ went on the air 20+ years ago.

He *is* really trying to save the country (world) and if he fails the world as we know it will no longer exist.

Most of you know that at some level but I found it interesting for AJ to do a "breaking info" type of vid simply to validate it. He seemed surprised to a degree.

_____________


Breaking: New Trump Scandal, Devastating Info Released

Trump bombshell to be revealed...

Infowars.com - March 18, 2016


Alex Jones discusses a new scandal surrounding Republican frontrunner Donald Trump that will severely damage the establishment.


http://www.infowars.com/breaking-new-trump-scandal-devastating-info-released/

[Calz]

So it begins ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3-aAx4SOn0

_________________


Emergency Alert: Civil War in America

Alex Jones breaks down how terrorist anarchist groups are being activated by Soros run foundations to start a race war

Alex Jones | Infowars.com - March 19, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jDvWtnA8IY


http://www.infowars.com/emergency-alert-civil-war-in-america/

[ThePythonicCow]

The George Soros and CIA sponsored Arab Spring's that ripped apart many nations in North Africa and the Middle East between 2010 and 2012 are coming to America, as Democracy Spring.


Alex Jones breaks down how terrorist anarchist groups are being activated by Soros run foundations to start a race war

What is called "Democracy Spring" in my post is what Alex Jones calls "Democratic Spring" in this video of his.

Soros and associates are funding a breakdown in civil order in the US, to justify a new tyranny.

[Calz]

Dr Jerome Corsi at 1:33:12 mark ... very good listen.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN5QfkwMJks

[Kari Lynn]

I think that perhaps we should remember people will say any thing to get elected to a higher office of power, regardless what that office may be, any where. So I've taken to not really looking at what they are saying, but rather what they have already done in the past. It will generally show their true intent.

[MorningSong]

Rick Wiles of TruNews discusses the "Democratic Spring" to begin the first of April... very very interesting!

http://www.trunews.com/trunews-031716-felix-imonti-gop-trump-coup/


Rick reveals the establishment’s ultra-devilish plot to stop Donald Trump AFTER he wins in November. Stock up on food and supplies now! In Part 2, geopolitical analyst Felix Imonti gives Rick his perspective on why Vladimir Putin suddenly withdrew Russian military forces from Syria.
Read more at http://www.trunews.com/trunews-031716-felix-imonti-gop-trump-coup/#k2SV3PRvFRiDcxiB.99

[Bill Ryan]

.
This caught my attention... it's as much about Trump as it is about Hillary Clinton. A little under 4 mins, and makes some powerful points.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4LKAt1t_8M

[Magnus]

Who allows the warmongers to breathe?

This is a question, but it is also a statement.

[Mike Gorman]

It is just astounding what is happening with the Trump VS the establishment - unprecedented hordes of haters being mobilized to disrupt Trump rallies - the man's words being twisted beyond recognition, George Soros agencies fomenting hatred and disunity. The globalists really don't want Trump to win and are trying every filthy trick they can-I feel so sorry for the genuine people who know Trump is their only hope for a sane America. This is going to end badly. I hope not, it looks this way.

[PurpleLama]

Toward A Grand New Bargain: How Donald Trump Can Clear The Field And Realign American Politics (http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/toward-a-grand-new-bargain-how-donald-trump-can-clear-the-field-and-realign-american-politics/)

[PurpleLama]

Fascism, American Style

https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/fascism_american_style

[norman]

This is 2 wise men bouncing off each other with a real grasp of it between them.

bW1ebyHrvVQ

[Calz]

This continues to be a remarkable "awakening" of sorts regardless of what you think of Trump.

The "emperors" are wearing no clothes and it is becoming almost impossible to deny or ignore.

[advertisement starts around the 3 minute mark]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCjqVdpNHWk#t=153

[Calz]

Yes last (and only one in a million chance of stopping the globalists) but wait ...

... would it not be best to laugh in the face of defeat???

(anyone see a sign of hope please jump in ...)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO0x7vL2T90


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P5qPaVAtic#t=14

[TargeT]

(anyone see a sign of hope please jump in ...)


I look around and see nothing in my immediate area to worry about... I find hope in that.

[Eram]

(anyone see a sign of hope please jump in ...)]

I'm waiting for the discovery by the Chinese that pulverized globalists testicles are good for sexual potency ===> [problems solved]

take a break and have a laugh!

dcP2mdnYbcw

[East Sun]

I'm sure it's been speculated that it's a strategy of O'bama to have Trump 'get lost' plus other shenanigans so he can claim dictatorship....
At this point all options are negative...........

If not Trump, there's not much to wish for................

[norman]

I wonder who's backing Trump?

America is at least 3 power factions.

I know I can rule The Bushes out of the possibilities.

That leaves the Rothschilds on one hand and the old French nobility on the other.

If no faction at all is 'backing' him, he truly IS a dead man walking.

[PurpleLama]

I wonder who's backing Trump?

America is at least 3 power factions.

I know I can rule The Bushes out of the possibilities.

That leaves the Rothschilds on one hand and the old French nobility on the other.

If no faction at all is 'backing' him, he truly IS a dead man walking.

I have read that he has some relationship with the mafia through his real estate businesses. So, another faction to consider, and not an insignificant one. Of course, I am not intimating that his business involves organized crime, rather that brushing shoulders with crime bosses is unavoidable at his level of the business game. Whether they actually back him, so to speak, I can't say.

[Calz]

Trump isn't in "the club" ... unless of course there is more than one ....

[need we go into the laundry list of Hillary alleged crimes?]

[always the lesser of two evils ... I am certainly not perfect ... anyone want to claim to that?]



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRPBFFvHRz0

[Calz]

Further proof of the attack on free speech.

I wanted to post the youtube video from this post but was bounced to a screen suggesting that due to the content I must prove my age.


... what??? ...


So I took the first step (providing an email address) using a valid yahoo account and the response was it wasn't valid ... so I stopped.


You can watch the vid from the site.


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Donald Trump Snake Warning Goes Viral

GOP frontrunner warns of Trojan horse invasion

Infowars.com - March 24, 2016


A YouTube video depicting a stark warning from presidential candidate Donald Trump regarding the refugee crisis is continuing to go viral across the web.

Reciting lyrics from the 1968 song “The Snake” by Al Wilson, based off Aesop’s fable of The Farmer and the Viper, the business mogul explains how Europe is being slowly overtaken by radical jihadists.


http://www.infowars.com/donald-trump-snake-warning-goes-viral/

[ThePythonicCow]

Further proof of the attack on free speech.

I wanted to post the youtube video from this post but was bounced to a screen suggesting that due to the content I must prove my age.


... what??? ...


So I took the first step (providing an email address) using a valid yahoo account and the response was it wasn't valid ... so I stopped.


You can watch the vid from the site.


__________________


Donald Trump Snake Warning Goes Viral

GOP frontrunner warns of Trojan horse invasion

Infowars.com - March 24, 2016


A YouTube video depicting a stark warning from presidential candidate Donald Trump regarding the refugee crisis is continuing to go viral across the web.

Reciting lyrics from the 1968 song “The Snake” by Al Wilson, based off Aesop’s fable of The Farmer and the Viper, the business mogul explains how Europe is being slowly overtaken by radical jihadists.


http://www.infowars.com/donald-trump-snake-warning-goes-viral/

I don't know which site (inforwars, youtube, yahoo or other) prompted you for such proof, but by examining the video code (right click on video and Inspect Element, in Firefox at least), I can see the Youtube URL, which I can use to embed the video here ... Voila!
yeJ-iv3MOTo

[Calz]

Paul I click on the youtube icon from what you have just posted and I still get:



Content Warning

This video may be inappropriate for some users.

Sign in to confirm your age

[Eram]

Paul I click on the youtube icon from what you have just posted and I still get:



Content Warning

This video may be inappropriate for some users.

Sign in to confirm your age

Maybe you have some sort of age software activated on your computer?
since you have children in your house...:sherlock:

[Calz]

It has never come up before.

My wife rarely uses this computer (she has her own laptop).

Kids have their own.

I have pulled up all sorts of youtubes going way down the rabbit hole and not once has that come up.


Anyway ... no one else gets that message?


That's interesting (thanks for the input).

[ozmirage]

What No Candidate Will Divulge

It doesn't matter if the candidate is republicrat or demopublican, insider or maverick, he will never ever speak out about the following - - -
1. Americans are “voluntary” slaves of the usurer / collectivist alliance that rules America.
2. A dollar bill is not a dollar. It is a worthless IOU, repudiated in 1933.
3. Since 1933, and the State of Emergency, the Constitution has been bypassed.
4. No one born in the uSA was “born a citizen,” with mandatory civic duties, because it would violate the republican form and the 13th amendment.
5. Not even FICA compels Americans to participate in FICA.
6. No government instituted to secure rights can tax rights. It can only tax privileges it grants.
7. Government owes a duty to the people, not vice versa. (JFK was dead wrong)
8. Democracy is unAmerican. We’re promised a republican form (no connection with the republican party, nor a “constitutional” republic).
9. Americans are endowed with inalienable sacred rights from their Creator, which can only be waived by their consent.
10. American nationals / non-citizens / non-residents / free inhabitants domiciled upon private property (absolutely owned and government protected), are ineligible to enroll in FICA nor would they wish to.- - - -
Though there is only one nation with a republican form of government, not 1 in 100,000 Americans know its definition nor its source.

"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_lincoln
As Lincoln reminds us, under the republican form, promised by the USCON, instituted by the Declaration of Independence, NO MAN (nor American government) is good enough to govern you without your consent. Without your consent, all that government is authorized to do is secure endowed (sacred) rights (prosecute trespass; adjudicate disputes; defend against enemies, foreign or domestic).

REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT. . . The fourth section of the fourth article of the constitution, directs that "the United States shall guaranty to every state in the Union a republican form of government." The form of government is to be guarantied, WHICH SUPPOSES A FORM ALREADY ESTABLISHED, and this is the republican form of government the United States have undertaken to protect.
- - - Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 6th edition, 1856. . .
The republican form existed BEFORE the USCON, thus it cannot be a “constitutional republic.”
. . .
Under the subsection: CONSTITUTION
Sec. 4. The guarantee of a republican form of government to every "state" means to its people and not to its government: Texas v. White. 7 Wall. (U. S.) 700, 19 L. Ed. 227. Where it was also held that this clause was sufficient authority for the reconstruction, after the Civil War of the governments of the states included within the Confederacy. No precise definition of what constitutes a republican government under this clause has been judicially declared; . . . Minor v. Happersett, 21 Wall. (U. S.) 162, 22 L. Ed. 027
- - - Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, 8th ed. (1914), P.635The republican form is guaranteed to the PEOPLE (sovereigns) not to the state governments (oath bound subjects of the U.S. government).
- - - -
Bizarre as it may seem, no court dares to judicially define exactly what a republican form is - but the constitution guarantees it to the people (the real sovereign "states").

Is there any proof of such endowed rights and liberties?

NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, PRIVACY, and good reputation.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324
. . .
“PERSONAL LIBERTY, or the Right to enjoyment of life and liberty, is one of the fundamental or NATURAL Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable.”
- - - 16 Corpus Juris Secundum, Constitutional Law, Sect.202, p.987
.. ..
No government, court, nor majority vote can abolish SACRED natural rights, nor bend them out of shape... unless you consent (or capitulate, standing mute).
Life, Natural and Personal Liberty, Absolute Ownership of Private Property, Privacy, and even one’s good reputation are endowed rights, not granted (or withheld) by government.
- - - -
REPUBLICAN FORM - that form of government wherein the people directly exercise sovereignty, and are served -not ruled- by government (and its subject citizens). The sovereign people retain possession of all their endowed and inalienable rights, powers, and liberties, and no democratic majority can vote them away. The servant government exercises power to secure rights, and only by special delegation via consent, may it govern. Though not perfect, it is the best form, securing the maximum liberty and freedom to its sovereign people.
Under the republican form of government, I'm an American, endowed with (natural) rights, (natural and personal) liberties, absolute ownership (private property), and government was instituted to secure those endowed rights... unless I consent to be governed under the constitutionally limited indirect democratic form of government.
Then all bets are off, for if I consent, then I waive my endowed rights in exchange for government’s privileges and immunities, and voluntarily accept mandatory civic duties that would otherwise violate my endowed rights, liberties, and powers.

And if I signed up with FICA, I lose my birthright to absolutely own private property - because my property is pledged as collateral on the fraudulent public debt.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx
". . .Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
Since CONgress cannot take PRIVATE PROPERTY for public use without paying JUST COMPENSATION, all YOUR goods and labor must no longer be private property.

Guess who else abolishes private property?

From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/

Now, you may weep and wail, oh foolish generation.

[Calz]

Now, you may weep and wail, oh foolish generation.



Can we break this down into smaller bites that we the mind controlled dumbed down masses can perhaps grasp?


So have you personally done this?


How does it work???


Go to DC knock on the door of the white house and say I withdraw my consent???


Not suggesting you are wrong by any degree ...


You have been posting such for awhile and before you expect the 97 percent (or whatever) perhaps it might be wise to start with a few???


Give us step one ....

[ThePythonicCow]

Paul I click on the youtube icon from what you have just posted and I still get:



Content Warning

This video may be inappropriate for some users.

Sign in to confirm your age

Aha - I see that too - if I use a browser that isn't logged into youtube or google in anyway. Usually I am "logged into" google/youtube 24x7.

Here's the video uploaded to my website: http://thepythoniccow.us/The_Vicious_Snake-yeJ-iv3MOTo.mp4

[ozmirage]

Now, you may weep and wail, oh foolish generation.



Can we break this down into smaller bites that we the mind controlled dumbed down masses can perhaps grasp?


So have you personally done this?
[I left FICA / Socialist InSecurity in 1992-3.]

How does it work???
[When asked for "my number" I reply that it is against my religious beliefs to participate in that abomination. If asked again, I repeat my objection.]


Go to DC knock on the door of the white house and say I withdraw my consent???
[Only if you had originally gave consent by knocking on the door...]

Not suggesting you are wrong by any degree ...


You have been posting such for awhile and before you expect the 97 percent (or whatever) perhaps it might be wise to start with a few???


Give us step one ....
I apologize for any blood squirting from eyes, or rolled up eyeballs, or clenched fists shaking at the sky.

This "stuff" is aggravating because it refutes generations of propaganda that we all have been fed.

If it wasn't all in the public record, it wouldn't be so painful to realize how Americans have been [censored / expletives deleted / exasperated utterances] by those they trusted.


SOUNDBITE VERSION - - -
Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, government has two jobs:
1. Secure rights, and
2. Govern those who consent.

Anything more is suspect.
Anything less is unacceptable.
Caveat: Consent waives job #1.
D’Oh!

STEPS TO TAKE
What to do:
[] 1st step is education... and check local laws to verify the status of American nationals / free inhabitants domiciled upon private property. Also verify natural and personal liberty are still protected.
[] 2nd step is to acquire a domicile (private property - not real estate) so one has a domain upon which to exercise natural liberty.
[] 3rd step is to cease exercising any privilege associated with FICA, usury, socialism, submission, etc.
[] 4th step is to correct the public record, where needed. For example, Form SS-5, application for a SocSec account and number is limited to U.S. citizens / U.S. residents. In contrast, American nationals / inhabitants are ineligible to participate - nor would they wish to.
[] 5th step is to live free as our forefathers endowed us, with servant government sworn to secure our rights, and nothing more.


EX:
Do states know the difference between inhabitants and residents?


" No inhabitant of this state shall be molested in person or property ... on account of religious opinions..."
- - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.1, Paragraph 4

If an inhabitant non-citizen does not wish to partake in the glorious socialist benefits program because of his religious beliefs, the state will not molest him or his property.
THANK YOU!


“ Citizens, protection of. All citizens of the United States, resident in this state, are hereby declared citizens of this state ; and it shall be the duty of the General Assembly to enact such laws as will protect them in the full enjoyment of the rights, privileges, and immunities due to such citizenship.”
- - - Georgia Constitution, Article 1, Sec.3, Paragraph 7

Uh OH! U.S. citizens can only be RESIDENTS in the state.
(In case you decide to establish a domicile in a state, you become 'foreign' to the U.S. government and its U.S. citizenship. Remember, the U.S. government is a foreign corporation with respect to a state. U.S. citizens are 'domiciled' in Federal territory.)

Recapping:
If you're going to withdraw consent, you have to investigate all the ways you gave consent. . . and how to withdraw from them. Each person is unique.
Verify your own state constitution and laws still explicitly protect private property rights and only tax estate (real and personal property).
Verify that non-resident inhabitants are excluded from any and all requirements to register, get licenses, etc, etc.

Once you're restored in status, you have no tax liability for the exercise of natural rights and liberties, no duties to the state, and government is only obligated to help secure rights and nothing more. No social safety net. You're on your own.

[greybeard]

Hi Calz
Congratulation on starting and maintaining a much needed and relevant thread.

I am sure the various posts are being read and appreciated by many.

Best wishes
Chris

[Calz]

Thank you very much ozmirage.

Seriously you have contributed so much to this forum.

Eyes to see or ears to hear ... hey ... you have done what you can :)


http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/slow_clap_citizen_kane.gif

[Calz]

So have you personally done this?
[I left FICA / Socialist InSecurity in 1992-3.]

How does it work???
[When asked for "my number" I reply that it is against my religious beliefs to participate in that abomination. If asked again, I repeat my objection.]



Okay ... step one .... withdrawing from social security.



When asked for my number

by whom????

Someone asks for your number and you suggest it is against your religious beliefs ...

How does that take you out of the system?



Perhaps I am not the brightest bulb on the tree so can you expand?


Was there something you did to initiate contact with the social security system to prompt that?


How did you leave in 1992-3?

[Calz]

Well here's the deal.

My trust in the "legal system" is now zero.

That is why this Trump "event" is so interesting.


I can only sit back and observe.

[ozmirage]

So have you personally done this?
[I left FICA / Socialist InSecurity in 1992-3.]

How does it work???
[When asked for "my number" I reply that it is against my religious beliefs to participate in that abomination. If asked again, I repeat my objection.]



Okay ... step one .... withdrawing from social security.



When asked for my number

by whom????

Someone asks for your number and you suggest it is against your religious beliefs ...

How does that take you out of the system?

Perhaps I am not the brightest bulb on the tree so can you expand?

Was there something you did to initiate contact with the social security system to prompt that?

How did you leave in 1992-3?
When I inquired as to the official mode to withdraw, I was answered with silence.
. . .


“The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work within the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one...”
- - - The Social Security Administration

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/ScottSSNLetter.pdf
. . .

The bottom line - the account and number are THEIR means to track "voluntary participants."
"They" will not divulge how one ceases to be a volunteer.

Not unlike being on a sinking ship, you do not need permission to ABANDON the sinking ship and head for dry land.

As to the related benefits of participation - usury, public charity (entitlements), and so forth, you cease accessing them, as well.

Anecdote flag on
All the people I personally knew who were hassled by the Eye Are Us had two things in common : active SSN and an open interest bearing bank account. All the people I personally knew who were left alone had two things in common : NO SSN nor a bank account.
. . .

Banksters won't let unnumbered Americans "accidentally" open an interest bearing account, bless their hearts.

Old Testament condemnation of usury (interest)
(If he beget a son that) Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
- - - Ezekiel 18:13 (KJV)

If I understand this, it states that usurers are abominations under a death sentence, and the blame for his death is upon his own hands - not the one who kills him.

You may also recall that the sole account of Jesus getting violent is when he whips the usurers (money changers) out of the temple. Remember, Jesus forgives those who crucify him, but whips the usurers.

Coincidentally, I think the government does "Trust in God" and as long as they restrict their abuse to enumerated usurers, God will NOT intervene and inflict "Divine Wrath" on behalf of the suffering masses. Government does refrain from harassing those who are "outside" the system, as evidenced by the Amish, Mennonites, and other sects who refuse FICA and usury.

To put it delicately, most Americans, especially Christians, are in violation of their own religious rules when they engage in usury, the abomination. They are "dead men" according to their own Scripture... infidels... unfaithful.

Thus one can use RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE as grounds for refusal to participate in their ABOMINATION.

There are many more aspects, but this is the short answer.

For more info on pauperization via FICA:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NASP/conversations/topics/361

[Calz]

Thank you.

I need some sleep and family time.

This is fascinating. I hope others will take up the conversation.

Ah if only grip were still here ... but I digress.

[ozmirage]

HOW DID WE GET INTO THIS MESS?
=\=\=\=\=
How did a nation of sovereigns without subjects, endowed with inalienable rights, liberties, powers and privileges, that governments were instituted to secure, become transformed into a constitutionally limited indirect democratic socialist totalitarian police state, with compulsory charity (slavery), loss of endowed rights, required to get government permission (license) and / or pay taxes to live, work, travel, buy, sell, cut hair, operate a business, hunt, fish, build a house, own land, marry or own a dog?
How did government get the power to abolish liberty by prior restraint?

Short answer : CONSENT.

Long answer : CONSENT.... and ignorance.

Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, governments have two jobs - - -
Job #1 : secure (endowed) rights, and
Job #2 : govern those who consent.
Caveat - consent waives job #1.

How / when did we consent to be governed?

Answer: volunteering to be subject citizens is #1.

Citizens, by definition, are subjects, obligated to perform mandatory civic duties, that effectively abrogate endowed rights and liberties. To illustrate, from day one, militia duty involved the obligation to train, fight, and die, on command. Obviously, one so obligated has no right to life nor liberty.

Yet, the very foundation of the republican form is that the American people are endowed with natural rights, natural and personal liberty as well as absolute ownership of one’s person, labor, and all that one acquires by one’s harmless enterprise (private property). Absent consent, all government is authorized to do is secure rights (prosecute trespass, adjudicate disputes, defend against enemies, foreign or domestic).

The republican form is still the law of the land. Check your own state constitution and statutes (not the code) for proof that private property is still protected, that inhabitants with domiciles (non-residents) do not need permission (license) to exercise their endowed rights and liberties, and that no law can accidentally impair a private right (without express consent of the governed) or trespass upon private property.

And even if the law fails to explicitly state the exceptions, there is still a remedy.


SHALL - As used in statutes, contracts, or the like, this word is generally imperative or mandatory... But it may be construed as merely permissive or directory (as equivalent to "may"), to carry out the legislative intention and in cases where no right or benefit depends on its being taken in the imperative sense, and where no public or private right is impaired by its interpretation in the other sense.
- - - Blacks Law dictionary, Sixth ed., p.1375

MAY - Word "may" usually is employed to imply permissive, optional or discretional, and not mandatory action or conduct... In construction of statutes and presumably of federal rules word "may" as opposed to "shall" is indicative of discretion or choice between two or more alternatives, but context is which word appears must be controlling factor.
- - - Blacks Law dictionary, Sixth ed., p.979

If a law states, "It shall be unlawful..." and you can show that if the law was mandatory in your case it would violate a PRIVATE RIGHT, the law can be construed to mean "It may be unlawful..." and merely optional, permissive or directory, without penalty for disobedience.

(This exclusion is in addition to exemptions, exclusions, and clauses based on the law not violating endowed rights and liberties of the sovereign people.)

Americans are victims of the world’s greatest propaganda ministry - a ministry that has effectively eradicated any memory of their astounding birthright - the republican form of government.

In its place, Americans were misled into consenting to be subjects and worse, paupers at law (status criminals) via voluntary participation in FICA / Socialist InSecurity - a vile “tax and bribe” scam that abrogated the U.S. Constitution - by your consent. Millions believe they “paid into” a Trust Fund and are “owed” benefits, oblivious to the consequences of their folly. Millions have been tricked into defending their tormentors, and embracing socialist chains, as they fight over scraps tossed to them from their new masters.

In addition to submission to the state and loss of rights, via pauperization, contracting with usurers (banks) sealed our fate. Every “signature card” is evidence that the account holder agrees to abide by the “rules of the bank.” And in case you didn’t know, the U.S. governor of “the bank” (IMF, World Bank, etc) is our friend, the Secretary of Treasury - who is granted preapproved powers for the duration of the EMERGENCY (Title 12 USC Sec. 95a, 95b) and shall not be paid by the U.S. government (Title 22 USC Sec. 286(a)(d)). Thus “our consent” binds us to agreements that are outside of the constitutional powers of the servant government - who went bankrupt in 1933.

Do not believe me - go read the law.

Where to start
- - -
Determine the (legal) difference between the following pairs:

1. national v. citizen
2. sovereign v. subject
3. individual v. person
4. inhabitant v. resident
5. domicile v. residence
6. natural liberty v. civil liberty
7. personal liberty v. political liberty
8. private property v. estate (real and personal property)
9. absolute ownership v. qualified ownership
...
If you do not know the legal difference, you will not understand what has happened to the united States of America and the republican form of government promised to the American people. (See: Art.4, Sec.4, USCON)

{When you check your own state’s constitution and laws, pay attention to trigger words : inhabitant, domicile, private property, common law, natural liberty, personal liberty, rights, powers, immunities, and sovereignty. Pay attention to the obligated party identified in the statute. Also note when the statute explicitly recognizes that the common law or any right derived from the common law supersedes it.}

[T Smith]

So have you personally done this?
[I left FICA / Socialist InSecurity in 1992-3.]

How does it work???
[When asked for "my number" I reply that it is against my religious beliefs to participate in that abomination. If asked again, I repeat my objection.]



Okay ... step one .... withdrawing from social security.



When asked for my number

by whom????

Someone asks for your number and you suggest it is against your religious beliefs ...

How does that take you out of the system?

Perhaps I am not the brightest bulb on the tree so can you expand?

Was there something you did to initiate contact with the social security system to prompt that?

How did you leave in 1992-3?
When I inquired as to the official mode to withdraw, I was answered with silence.
. . .


“The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work within the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one...”
- - - The Social Security Administration

http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/ScottSSNLetter.pdf
. . .

The bottom line - the account and number are THEIR means to track "voluntary participants."
"They" will not divulge how one ceases to be a volunteer.

Not unlike being on a sinking ship, you do not need permission to ABANDON the sinking ship and head for dry land.

As to the related benefits of participation - usury, public charity (entitlements), and so forth, you cease accessing them, as well.

Anecdote flag on
All the people I personally knew who were hassled by the Eye Are Us had two things in common : active SSN and an open interest bearing bank account. All the people I personally knew who were left alone had two things in common : NO SSN nor a bank account.
. . .

Banksters won't let unnumbered Americans "accidentally" open an interest bearing account, bless their hearts.

Old Testament condemnation of usury (interest)
(If he beget a son that) Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
- - - Ezekiel 18:13 (KJV)

If I understand this, it states that usurers are abominations under a death sentence, and the blame for his death is upon his own hands - not the one who kills him.

You may also recall that the sole account of Jesus getting violent is when he whips the usurers (money changers) out of the temple. Remember, Jesus forgives those who crucify him, but whips the usurers.

Coincidentally, I think the government does "Trust in God" and as long as they restrict their abuse to enumerated usurers, God will NOT intervene and inflict "Divine Wrath" on behalf of the suffering masses. Government does refrain from harassing those who are "outside" the system, as evidenced by the Amish, Mennonites, and other sects who refuse FICA and usury.

To put it delicately, most Americans, especially Christians, are in violation of their own religious rules when they engage in usury, the abomination. They are "dead men" according to their own Scripture... infidels... unfaithful.

Thus one can use RELIGIOUS CONSCIENCE as grounds for refusal to participate in their ABOMINATION.

There are many more aspects, but this is the short answer.

For more info on pauperization via FICA:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/NASP/conversations/topics/361

The problem is, as I see it, it is difficult to impossible to cite the law of the land, as either a defense or right, in a lawless land.

There may be a laws and rights on paper, but until the people en mass agree to enforce--or even acknowledge them, the law itself is meaningless.

[ozmirage]

The problem is, as I see it, it is difficult to impossible to cite the law of the land, as either a defense or right, in a lawless land.

There may be a laws and rights on paper, but until the people en mass agree to enforce--or even acknowledge them, the law itself is meaningless.
I understand the objection, but disagree with it.
Before I read law, I, too, was bamboozled into meek obedience.
When you are ignorant of the law, you cannot use it to defend your rights.

Do not believe me - go to your county courthouse law library and READ law for yourself. If I told you what you will find in the law, you wouldn't believe me. Shucks, if I went back in time, and told myself, I wouldn't believe me, either. But if you do go to the county courthouse law library, remember to wear knee pads and "Depends" (adult diapers) ... you may fall to your knees, weeping, or pee yourself.

[ozmirage]

Call me old fashioned, but I agree with what Coolidge said: “If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final.”
- - - Calvin Coolidge, Speech on the Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence (1926)
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Calvin_Coolidge

● I prefer the republican form of government, where the people are sovereigns, and the government is their servant. I like it when government secures endowed rights, but can only govern those who consent.

● But if folks want the democratic form of government, where the people are subjects and the government rules them, who am I to say they can't. They can consent, surrender their birthright of sovereignty, freedom and independence, in exchange for civil and political liberties.

● But I am opposed to the widespread use of fraud and disinformation used to trick Americans into volunteering without full disclosure. All those endowed rights go right out the window, once you consent to be governed. (Mandatory civic duties are prima facie evidence that one is no longer sovereign, with endowed rights to life, liberty and absolute ownership of private property.)

● And if 83+ years of two party collectivist servitude under “emergency rules” isn’t enough to persuade them to change, I can’t imagine what will.

- - - -


“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/2/419#writing-USSC_CR_0002_0419_Z

In America, however, the case is widely different. Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
- - - Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)

- - -
In the republican form of government, the people are sovereigns (unless they consent otherwise) served by (not ruled by) servant government. Their rights and liberties existed before constitutional government (which is why the republican form is NOT a constitutional republic - nor can a constitutional government institute a republican form).
Which means that in America, the servant government was never a sovereign government, with powers to rule everyone. Only those who consented to the terms of the compact are held liable.

Ironically, there is only ONE NATION on Earth with a republican form, yet her people know it not.

GO READ LAW.
The more eyes on the law, the better.

[T Smith]

The problem is, as I see it, it is difficult to impossible to cite the law of the land, as either a defense or right, in a lawless land.

There may be a laws and rights on paper, but until the people en mass agree to enforce--or even acknowledge them, the law itself is meaningless.
I understand the objection, but disagree with it.
Before I read law, I, too, was bamboozled into meek obedience.
When you are ignorant of the law, you cannot use it to defend your rights.

Do not believe me - go to your county courthouse law library and READ law for yourself. If I told you what you will find in the law, you wouldn't believe me. Shucks, if I went back in time, and told myself, I wouldn't believe me, either. But if you do go to the county courthouse law library, remember to wear knee pads and "Depends" (adult diapers) ... you may fall to your knees, weeping, or pee yourself.

I understand what you're saying; I also know all about the laws you are talking about. My guess is most of the people on this forum are also well aware of these laws. That said, I'm sure there are some court cases/laws that might surprise me to learn about, but incredulousness certainly wouldn't be among the range of emotions I might have.

They Own It All, Including You, by Robert McDonald, outlines much of what you are talking about. I also know some people have successfully bucked our current state of lawlessness by appealing to the real world outside the matrix. But my feeling is those who have successfully resisted their meek obedience are the exception, not the rule. The issue, I guess, is finding 12 jurors who aren't so thoroughly brainwashed see my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89060-Do-Americans-Live-In-A-False-Reality-Created-By-Orchestrated-Events&p=1054558&viewfull=1#post1054558) or an honest judge who would even allow certain arguments to be heard, etc. More times than not the "law" you're talking about is thrown out as "frivolous" (their words, not mine) before it is even heard.

All said, I would be very pleased for the cynic in me to be proved entirely wrong. And when push comes to shove, I'm very much on board to set out to prove myself wrong.

[onawah]

After Saturday, “I Like Bernie but He Can’t Win” No Longer Applies.
Posted by Calvin Wolf
The Bern Report
http://thebernreport.com/after-saturday-i-like-bernie-but-he-cant-win-no-longer-applies/

I was intrigued by Simon Parkes' prediction that this POTUS election could be won in an upset by a candidate not favored by the controllers. He didn't name names, and probably a lot of people would infer from that that he meant Trump would win. I don't think Trump can win, but I think Sanders can, and though he's certainly not going to be able to change much on his own, he is getting a lot of enthusiastic support that could result in strong enough grass roots activity (which does have an effect), once elected, that could result in some real change. A lot will depend, of course, on how closely the Diebold machines are being monitored, how many voters are turned away from the polls, etc. etc, but those things are being monitored and reported on to some extent, at least. So I still think there's a chance Hillary won't win, and every little bit can help at this point. We know plenty about all the negative stuff that is going on behind the scenes, but not much about the positive because the mainstream press doesn't report that. In short, I don't think all is lost yet....


After former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s controversial win in the Arizona Democratic primary, it was declared that U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) would have to win an average of 58 percent of the remaining delegates in each subsequent primary or caucus to win enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. The mainstream media, which has long been in the pocket of Hillary Clinton, quickly began including Clinton’s unpledged superdelegates in the equation, promoting the fiction that Bernie Sanders would actually have to win 70 percent of the remaining delegates to claim the nomination. The message to voters from our supposedly-neutral journalists? “Forget about voting for Bernie Sanders – he’ll never get 70 percent in any state!”

Well, Bernie Sanders just went and got himself 70 percent. Thrice. Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington. Of these three, Washington is a populous, delegate-heavy state. The states are also racially diverse, undercutting the media’s persistent claim that Sanders only does well in overwhelmingly white electorates. Finally, the three states were the only states voting on Saturday, meaning Sanders won a clean sweep.

And, perhaps most importantly, Bernie Sanders’ clean sweep comes right before a brief – but invaluable – intermission in the Democratic primaries: The next contest will occur on April 5 in Wisconsin. Sanders just won some great coverage and terrific momentum heading into a nine-day stretch where his fundraising and social media machines can work their political magic. These nine days also provide Hillary Clinton more chances to stumble or commit verbal gaffes, from which she has increasingly suffered this spring. Basically, the nine-day rest will benefit Sanders, who has positive momentum, but hurt Clinton, who has negative momentum.

Sanders’ 70 percent victories are also crucial in that they shatter the media’s artificially-created aura of inevitability around Hillary Clinton. Even with the media’s fudged numbers, including Clinton’s fair-weather superdelegates, Sanders is still on a winning path by claiming over 70 percent of the vote in the most recent primary contests. This news alone will convince many Clinton supporters to defect, now believing that their secret affinity for Bernie Sanders can actually pay off.

How many tepid Clinton supporters are only in her camp because they believe Sanders cannot win? “I like him, but he can’t win” has become a 2016 cliche among both political parties, with large numbers of voters preferring honest, bold, and innovative candidates…but ultimately casting their ballots for duller but more “realistic” candidates. This explains why voters overwhelmingly dislike Hillary Clinton, but dutifully vote for her anyway.

Well, no longer! Sanders’ resounding blowouts in Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington prove that he can win…and is actually on track to win. This will convince masses of “I like him, but he can’t win” voters in delegate-heavy states like New York, Pennsylvania, and California to Feel the Bern. It will also convince many of Clinton’s self-interested superdelegates to begin defecting as well. When a vast majority of your state’s Democrats and left-leaning independents are voting enthusiastically for Bernie Sanders, ignoring democracy and voting instead for Hillary Clinton is a quick way to be out of a job.

Clintonite superdelegates might be able to brush off a 52-48 victory by Sanders, but not a 71-29 victory. Look for many superdelegates to begin distancing themselves from the Clinton political machine, instantly reducing the media’s pro-Clinton math by several percentage points. Self-interest no longer favors remaining loyal to Hillary Clinton.


More here:MAJOR WINS FOR BERNIE SANDERS IN 3 STATES WITH PROVEN TRACK RECORDS OF PICKING WINNERS
http://www.politicalpeopleblog.com/bernie-sanders-wins-by-immense-margins-in-washington/

[T Smith]

After Saturday, “I Like Bernie but He Can’t Win” No Longer Applies.
Posted by Calvin Wolf
The Bern Report
http://thebernreport.com/after-saturday-i-like-bernie-but-he-cant-win-no-longer-applies/

I was intrigued by Simon Parkes' prediction that this POTUS election could be won in an upset by a candidate not favored by the controllers. He didn't name names, and probably a lot of people would infer from that that he meant Trump would win. I don't think Trump can win, but I think Sanders can, and though he's certainly not going to be able to change much on his own, he is getting a lot of enthusiastic support that could result in strong enough grass roots activity (which does have an effect), once elected, that could result in some real change. A lot will depend, of course, on how closely the Diebold machines are being monitored, how many voters are turned away from the polls, etc. etc, but those things are being monitored and reported on to some extent, at least. So I still think there's a chance Hillary won't win, and every little bit can help at this point. We know plenty about all the negative stuff that is going on behind the scenes, but not much about the positive because the mainstream press doesn't report that. In short, I don't think all is lost yet....


After former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s controversial win in the Arizona Democratic primary, it was declared that U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT) would have to win an average of 58 percent of the remaining delegates in each subsequent primary or caucus to win enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. The mainstream media, which has long been in the pocket of Hillary Clinton, quickly began including Clinton’s unpledged superdelegates in the equation, promoting the fiction that Bernie Sanders would actually have to win 70 percent of the remaining delegates to claim the nomination. The message to voters from our supposedly-neutral journalists? “Forget about voting for Bernie Sanders – he’ll never get 70 percent in any state!”

Well, Bernie Sanders just went and got himself 70 percent. Thrice. Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington. Of these three, Washington is a populous, delegate-heavy state. The states are also racially diverse, undercutting the media’s persistent claim that Sanders only does well in overwhelmingly white electorates. Finally, the three states were the only states voting on Saturday, meaning Sanders won a clean sweep.

And, perhaps most importantly, Bernie Sanders’ clean sweep comes right before a brief – but invaluable – intermission in the Democratic primaries: The next contest will occur on April 5 in Wisconsin. Sanders just won some great coverage and terrific momentum heading into a nine-day stretch where his fundraising and social media machines can work their political magic. These nine days also provide Hillary Clinton more chances to stumble or commit verbal gaffes, from which she has increasingly suffered this spring. Basically, the nine-day rest will benefit Sanders, who has positive momentum, but hurt Clinton, who has negative momentum.

Sanders’ 70 percent victories are also crucial in that they shatter the media’s artificially-created aura of inevitability around Hillary Clinton. Even with the media’s fudged numbers, including Clinton’s fair-weather superdelegates, Sanders is still on a winning path by claiming over 70 percent of the vote in the most recent primary contests. This news alone will convince many Clinton supporters to defect, now believing that their secret affinity for Bernie Sanders can actually pay off.

How many tepid Clinton supporters are only in her camp because they believe Sanders cannot win? “I like him, but he can’t win” has become a 2016 cliche among both political parties, with large numbers of voters preferring honest, bold, and innovative candidates…but ultimately casting their ballots for duller but more “realistic” candidates. This explains why voters overwhelmingly dislike Hillary Clinton, but dutifully vote for her anyway.

Well, no longer! Sanders’ resounding blowouts in Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington prove that he can win…and is actually on track to win. This will convince masses of “I like him, but he can’t win” voters in delegate-heavy states like New York, Pennsylvania, and California to Feel the Bern. It will also convince many of Clinton’s self-interested superdelegates to begin defecting as well. When a vast majority of your state’s Democrats and left-leaning independents are voting enthusiastically for Bernie Sanders, ignoring democracy and voting instead for Hillary Clinton is a quick way to be out of a job.

Clintonite superdelegates might be able to brush off a 52-48 victory by Sanders, but not a 71-29 victory. Look for many superdelegates to begin distancing themselves from the Clinton political machine, instantly reducing the media’s pro-Clinton math by several percentage points. Self-interest no longer favors remaining loyal to Hillary Clinton.


More here:MAJOR WINS FOR BERNIE SANDERS IN 3 STATES WITH PROVEN TRACK RECORDS OF PICKING WINNERS
http://www.politicalpeopleblog.com/bernie-sanders-wins-by-immense-margins-in-washington/

For Bernie Sanders to have any shot at all, he has to start contesting and screaming loudly about the delegate process that is awarding Hillary Clinton the necessary delegates to secure the nomination, regardless of the popular vote. I don't see him doing this. Why the silence? And I'm not talking about a blog or two complaining about the injustice of it all, or an article here or there in the alternative media. I'm talking about actively fighting the delegate process via a massive public relations campaign, both legally and by adopting an agressive strategy to retain his delegates, even if that means forming alliances and battle stations to change the rules. In order to truly be a "revolutionary", you have to shake things up and take on the DNC itself, and not just the cronyism and corruption of our rotten system at large. Tackling the ladder may rouse the people, but taking on the former would be the first step to truly rouse reform. In other words, in order to truly have a shot, Bernie Sanders would have to go places that are not pleasant. I don't see him doing this.

This same phenomenon happened in 2008 and to a larger degree in 2012 with Ron Paul, who would have won the Republican nomination easily (and who would have likely defeated Barack Obama in a general election) had he had the tenacity and fight to expose what went on in Iowa and elsewhere during those first few primaries and caucuses that always have such a profound influence on the nomination itself. But, as a Statesman and pure ideologue, Ron Paul took the high road, as if tacitly capitulating to the system. He instead resigned himself to the role of educating his enthusiastic followers and awakening as many people as possible while enjoying the spotlight his campaign afforded. I see Bernie Sanders doing the very same thing. The difference is, at least the media pretends Bernie Sanders has shot--albeit an outside shot--a protest alternative of sorts to the criminal Hillary (which provides the people the illusion of choice) whereas with Paul there was a total media blackout.

What happens in any case is once a few of the primaries and caucuses pass without contesting the results, some of which are blatantly fraudulent, the people essentially misjudge the general appeal of the populist candidate and issue a collective shrug, as if to say, "Oh well. He can't win anyway. He's too radical. Why waste my vote?"

Donald Trump does not play by these rules. As the RNC is again angling to do everything in its power (popular vote be damed) to nominate "Anyone But Trump", you better believe the Trump campaign, unlike Sanders and Paul before him, will spare no expense or strategy to aggressively fight and counter these tricks. He will exit, if he exists at all, kicking and screaming, and with considerable weight and support behind him. What about Sanders? I fully expect a gracious and courteous concession speech by Bernie Sanders. He will eventually back and support the criminality of his party and will essentially congratulate Hillary for stealing the nomination. At the end of the day he will urge his followers to support Hillary in the general election.

I've been reading your posts on Sanders as well as others who espouse similar analyses, but nobody ever addresses the elephant in the room. What about the delegates ?????

[onawah]

David Icke and Richard Hoagland discussing Trump, Sanders and more here:
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From: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89662-David-Icke-on-The-Other-Side-of-Midnight-interviewed-by-Richard-Hoagland-27-3-2016&p=1056098&viewfull=1#post1056098

[Octavusprime]

Let's not forget Bernie's biggest endorsement to date... Mother nature. The world works in mysterious ways, who would of thought a single bird would cause such a stir.

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Trump loves birds too though:

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[onawah]

I was going to post the following article as well, but didn't since it's from November, though perhaps it's still relevant.
I am no expert on how US elections work--and I agree on your points about Sanders playing by the rules, but the fact that he is getting the young vote (passionately) makes me think that he might continue to smarten up as the process unfolds and perhaps even take on the delegate issue...
If the human race has any hope, aside from some kind of benevolent ET intervention (if there is such a thing), I think it's in our youth.



I've been reading your posts on Sanders as well as others who espouse similar analyses, but nobody ever addresses the elephant in the room. What about the delegates ?????

http://thebernreport.com/why-bernie-sanders-doesnt-have-a-superdelegate-problem-after-all/

Why Bernie Sanders Doesn’t Have a Superdelegate Problem After All
Posted by G.A. Casebeer November 1, 2015

First of all, what exactly is a superdelegate, besides some big scary word that corporate media likes to use?

From wikipedia: A “superdelegate” or an “unpledged delegate” is a delegate to the Democratic National Convention or Republican National Convention that is seated automatically, based on their status as current (Republican and Democratic) or former (Democratic only) party leader or elected official.

Although “superdelegate” was originally coined and created to describe this type of Democratic delegate, the term has become widely used to describe these delegates in both parties, even though it is not an official term used by either party.

For Democrats, superdelegates fall into two categories:

delegates seated based on other positions they hold, who are formally described (in Rule 9.A) as “unpledged party leader and elected official delegates” (unpledged PLEO delegates); and
additional unpledged delegates selected by each state party (in a fixed predetermined number), who are formally described (in Rule 9.B) as “unpledged add-on delegates” and who need not hold any party or elected position before their selection as delegates.
In some presidential elections, superdelegates can play a major role in determining the Democratic nominee, especially in a close race. Unlike delegates though, superdelegates are not bound to represent the popular vote of a region at the Democratic National Convention; they are free to support any candidate for the nomination.

Superdelegates are not selected on the basis of party primaries and caucuses in each state. Instead, superdelegate standing is based on the status of current or former officeholders and party officials, including all Democratic members of Congress. Superdelegate is a term that arose in the 1970s. Clinton’s camp declared in late August that they had 1/5th of the delegates needed to win and had secured the support of 440 of the roughly 700 superdelegates, although some have questioned that statement.

“This is really about how you put the numbers together.”

Hillary Clinton

In order for a candidate to win the party nomination for president, he or she must gain the majority of delegate votes. We’ll cover the delegates in another article. The purpose of superdelegates is for high-ranking Democrats to maintain some control over the nominating process and each state has it’s own unique amount of delegates and superdelegates.

Based on the table below listing delegates and superdelegates and using Iowa as an example, and also assuming that Hillary Clinton has 75% of the superdelegates secured, if Bernie Sanders grabs 56 percent of the vote and Clinton grabs 44 percent of the vote, Bernie would get 25 delegates and Clinton 21. Add the superdelegates, 6 for Clinton and 2 for Bernie and it is a tie.

Of course as you’ll see on this list, some states such as New Hampshire and Massachusetts have 25% or higher superdelegate counts, so the formula varies a little bit and then you have Vermont, Sanders’ home state which has 15 delegates and 8 superdelegates but we are gonna call Vermont in favor of Sanders. (Bold move I know)

Let’s look at a state like Illinois which has 160 delegates and 30 super delegates while also assuming that Hillary Clinton has 75% of the superdelegates on her side, if Bernie Sanders grabs 54.5 percent of the vote and Clinton grabs 45.5 percent of the vote, Bernie would get 87 delegates and Clinton 73. Add the superdelegates, 22 for Clinton and 8 for Bernie and it is a tie.

Those figures also assume of course that no one is in the race, so to be on the safe side let’s give O’Malley 8% of the vote in Illinois. To do that we’ll shave 4% off of both Clinton and Sanders’ totals. In that scenario Sanders would need 50.5 percent of the vote to gain 81 delegates and 8 superdelegates, for a total of 89. Clinton would have 41.5 percent of the vote amounting to 66 delegates and 22 superdelegates for a total of 88 and O’Malley, assuming he’s got no super delegate support would have around 12. Keep in mind all figures have been rounded up.

Date[49][50] State/territory Calculated delegates[51] Type[a]
Pledged Superdelegates
February 1, 2016 Iowa 46 8 Semi-open caucus
February 9, 2016 New Hampshire 24 8 Semi-closed primary
February 20, 2016 Nevada 31 8 Closed caucus
February 27, 2016 South Carolina 51 6 Open primary
March 1, 2016 Alabama 52 6 Open primary
March 1, 2016 Arkansas 32 5 Open primary
March 1, 2016 Colorado 64 13 Closed caucus
March 1–8, 2016 Democrats abroad 13 4 Closed primary
March 1, 2016 Georgia 98 14 Open primary
March 1, 2016 Massachusetts 95 26 Semi-closed primary
March 1, 2016 Minnesota 78 16 Open caucus
March 1, 2016 Oklahoma 38 4 Semi-closed primary
March 1, 2016 Tennessee 68 9 Open primary
March 1, 2016 Texas 208 29 Open primary
March 1, 2016 Vermont 15 8 Open primary
March 1, 2016 Virginia 95 17 Open primary
March 5, 2016 Louisiana 54 7 Closed primary
March 5, 2016 Nebraska 26 5 Closed caucus
March 5, 2016 Kansas 33 4 Closed caucus
March 6, 2016 Maine 25 5 Closed caucus
March 8, 2016 Mississippi 36 5 Open primary
March 8, 2016 Michigan 133 19 Open primary
March 15, 2016 Florida 207 31 Closed primary
March 15, 2016 Illinois 160 30 Semi-closed primary
March 15, 2016 Missouri 75 13 Open primary
March 15, 2016 North Carolina 107 13 Semi-closed primary
March 15, 2016 Ohio 148 17 Semi-open primary
March 22, 2016 Arizona 63 12 Closed primary
March 22, 2016 Idaho 20 4 Semi-closed caucus
March 22, 2016 Utah 24 4 Semi-open caucus
March 26, 2016 Alaska 14 4 Closed caucus
March 26, 2016 Hawaii 22 9 Semi-closed caucus
March 26, 2016 Washington 86 16 Open caucus
April 5, 2016 Wisconsin 79 10 Open primary
April 9, 2016 Wyoming 13 4 Closed caucus
April 19, 2016 New York 233 44 Closed primary
April 26, 2016 Maryland 78 27 Closed primary
April 26, 2016 Connecticut 51 14 Closed primary
April 26, 2016 Delaware 17 10 Closed primary
April 26, 2016 Pennsylvania 160 21 Closed primary
April 26, 2016 Rhode Island 22 9 Semi-closed primary
May 3, 2016 Indiana 70 9 Open primary
May 7, 2016 Guam 6 5 Closed caucus
May 10, 2016 West Virginia 26 9 Semi-closed primary
May 17, 2016 Kentucky 47 6 Closed primary
May 17, 2016 Oregon 52 12 Closed primary
June 5, 2016 Puerto Rico 51 7 Open primary
June 7, 2016 California 405 71 Semi-closed primary
June 7, 2016 Montana 15 7 Open primary
June 7, 2016 New Jersey 110 16 Closed primary
June 7, 2016 New Mexico 29 9 Closed primary
June 7, 2016 South Dakota 15 5 Semi-open primary
June 14, 2016 District of Columbia 17 20 Closed primary
TBA North Dakota 14 5 Open primary
TBA American Samoa 6 4 Open caucus
TBA Northern Marianas 6 5 N/A
TBA Virgin Islands 6 5 Closed caucus
So all things considered, even if Clinton has the big edge in terms of superdelegates that have committed, Bernie still has the edge for winning the nomination. It’s no secret (except to some Clinton supporters) that Sanders has a massive following with the millennial crowd and with the politically disenchanted. Plus let’s not forget that Clinton had the edge over Obama with superdelegates but many of them switched teams and I’d look for some of the same thing to happen in 2016. Make no mistake, he’ll get his share of superdelegates and if the young people vote, Bernie wins easily.

[onawah]

Never mind the eagle, did you notice how Trump's bangs ALL moved when the other guy smoothed down his cowlick? I wonder how much speculation that is causing about whether it's actually a hairpiece? :lol:


Trump loves birds too though:

M41aZX5ijVM

[ozmirage]

But my feeling is those who have successfully resisted their meek obedience are the exception, not the rule. The issue, I guess, is finding 12 jurors who aren't so thoroughly brainwashed . . . More times than not the "law" you're talking about is thrown out as "frivolous" (their words, not mine) before it is even heard.
All said, I would be very pleased for the cynic in me to be proved entirely wrong. And when push comes to shove, I'm very much on board to set out to prove myself wrong.
In any controversy where there is no injured party (victim), invariably, the accused / defendant has given consent, in one form or another. Thus, it appears that certain defenses are thrown out as "frivolous". He who consents cannot object.

That we don't know how or when we gave consent IS a major problem.

In my experience, I have yet to find an instance where the servant government did not have sufficient evidence that the accused / defendant "shot himself in the foot" by his own admissions.

And the "patriot wins" (or cases that never went to trial) are not easily found for reference.

I have not read all law, but I have yet to find a law that trespasses upon the natural and personal liberty of the American national / free inhabitant domiciled upon private property within the boundaries of the united States of America.

However, there ARE voluminous rules, regulations, taxes, and penalties imposed on U.S. citizens / residents, duly enumerated (via FICA), engaged in usury, who reside at residences, registered as real estate, and are obligated to get permission (license) and / or pay taxes to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry, and / or own a dog.

In short, if one has not given consent, all that servant government can do is secure rights, as in prosecute those who deliberately injure the person and property of another. But once consent is given, all bets are off.

[norman]

Are we about to witness the Republican voters/nominees trash their own political identity and vote for a Clinton, just because she's closer to the ruling establishment than Trump?

[Calz]

We can always dream .... :ROFL:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7GJcKuVGm8

__________________


Report: Feds Moving Forward With Plan To Interview Hillary In Email Investigation

147 FBI agents have been involved in the probe

Chuck Ross | Daily Caller - March 28, 2016


Two reports out Sunday provide new details about the FBI’s investigation of Hillary Clinton, including that 147 FBI agents have been involved in the probe and that federal prosecutors are expected to soon seek an interview with the presidential candidate.

According to The Los Angeles Times, prosecutors have contacted the attorneys for the top Clinton State Department aides who sent and received classified information that landed on the former secretary of state’s private email server.

The FBI seized that device in August, after the intelligence community’s inspector general determined that some of the emails sent to Clinton contained “Top Secret” information.

According to The Times, dates have not yet been set for the interviews with Clinton’s aides, but they are forthcoming, indicating that the Justice Department will soon wrap up its investigation.

Clinton has denied that she is the target of the investigation. During a presidential debate held earlier this month Clinton grew visibly agitated when asked if she would quit her White House bid if indicted.


http://www.infowars.com/report-feds-moving-forward-with-plan-to-interview-hillary-in-email-investigation/

[mgray]

This grave stone was found in Manhattan's Central Park on Easter Sunday.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2016/03/27/32716trumpgrave2.jpg

[Calz]

I saw that too ... headstones are not cheap ...

(chump change for kazillionaires no doubt)

[Calz]

Are we about to witness the Republican voters/nominees trash their own political identity and vote for a Clinton, just because she's closer to the ruling establishment than Trump?


Regardless of what happens going forward I think that we the people (regardless of isle) have been given a harsh lesson in the reality of just how much our voice (vote) counts.

Nothing new ... just really in our face this time.

[TargeT]

just really in our face this time.

I'm not so sure how this election isn't different from the last... Obama v Mcain is pretty close to Trump v Hillary (new energizing candidate that has no experience in government up against establishment trash... though last time Mcain was meant to lose... I think Hillary was meant to win this time....)

as far as I can remember every election cycle is the lesser of two evils, we just forget about that after 4 years.

[Calz]

I don't remember anyone being "completely" out of the political system and paying their own way (at least to an extent with no big system money).

Reagan was Cali governor so at least that wasn't beltway.

Obummer and Mccan't were both from the Senate.

I watched Ron Paul get crushed by the system. I would have voted for him had it gotten that far.


It was an interesting weekend to see Sanders absolutely demolish Hitlery in the popular but yet what was the delegate totals ... something like 55 to 35.


I thought the superdelegate process was decided as they first voted so even with the democrats they can change their vote at the convention???


Why does anyone bother voting???


GOP making rules up as they go along.


Perhaps that is the way it has always been ... never much into politics accept this year feels different.

[Maunagarjana]

I think it's amazing the things that people think Trump will do when he gets into power. People have absolutely absurd expectations of him. The situation is not unlike Obama, where both men are like a screen that other people can project their hopes onto. Look at this article below and see the list of 20 things the author thinks Trump might do as President. It's just laughable to me. I don't think he would be able to do ANY of them. Nor do I think he has any intention of doing most of them. What I would expect to happen if he got into office is he would be given "an offer he can't refuse", and he would then be their willing puppet. He's too narcissistic to risk assassination.

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2830-will-a-trump-presidency-really-change-anything-for-the-better

[jcocks]

I actually feel like Trump is going to win this election, as bad as that would be for America (Which is exactly WHY he is going to win). Somebody somewhere, very powerful, wants America divided. And, Trump more than anyone else is the man to do this.

I may be wrong but my gut instinct says it's a real possibility. The only question left to answer if he wins is "When Trump divides America (as he undoubtedly will), who will conquer?"

[Calz]

I think it's amazing the things that people think Trump will do when he gets into power. People have absolutely absurd expectations of him.




I have never expected him to actually get into office.

Could one man actually undo the many many years of globalism that has already transpired???

Of course not.

I think this is a *wonderful* event in that he is shedding so much light on dark corners.

Globalists are ready to roll. I applaud the information coming forward for those with ears to hear (most all on PA are up to speed with the bankster plans but not so much the general public).


With some of the things Trump has said lately and with the immense amount of adverse reaction around the world I am to the point of hoping Sanders actually slips in. Anything but Hitlery.


Can you imagine Trump, even with his best of intentions, being able to renegotiate all the global trade legislation (going back to Nafta)???


Ain't gonna happen.


imho

[greybeard]

Must admit I haven’t voted since I was nineteen.
I wish USA voters well.

Chris

[Calz]

I'll copy this from a post I made somewhere else ...

Perhaps I am alone in what I see happening ...

_____________


Who runs this country???

Seriously.

Who knows?

World leaders are scratching their heads.


White House/State Dept/Senate/Congress/Supremes/CIA/FBI/DHS/TSA/Pentagon/Air Force/Army/Navy ... you get the idea.


We have become a splintered country taken over by the banksters (breakway society???).


Anyone want to object with that???


Say Trump gets elected (indulge me for a bit).


What portion of said departments do you expect would "snap to" and follow his orders???


Gentleman's bet ... how many would fall in line with Hillary???


*sigh*

[ljwheat]

I'll copy this from a post I made somewhere else ...

Perhaps I am alone in what I see happening ...

_____________


Who runs this country???

Seriously.

Who knows?

World leaders are scratching their heads.


White House/State Dept/Senate/Congress/Supremes/CIA/FBI/DHS/TSA/Pentagon/Air Force/Army/Navy ... you get the idea.


We have become a splintered country taken over by the banksters (breakway society???).


Anyone want to object with that???


Say Trump gets elected (indulge me for a bit).


What portion of said departments do you expect would "snap to" and follow his orders???


Gentleman's bet ... how many would fall in line with Hillary???


*sigh*

It has always been this way ,, its called SEPARATION, wagons rolled West , north and south, we separated from England .... all threw written history we have been splitting and dividing as we move as humans , religion , parents, clubs, even the Big Bang we are still moving away as a expanding universe. We think it's a mind or brain thing trying to wrap our heads around it, as if its something humans do,,,, NO its the Nature of all things dividing with out end.. human concepts move it faster like watching a pot of boiling water ,,,, on the move .. bring - ing anything together will cause a physical reaction lol even a H-bomb works because of this law of expatiation. :bump2:

[Calz]

More cross posting which isn't really "fair" but we seem to be running a number of similar threads ...

Important point that has been brought out recently that troubles me about Trump.
_________________





Please look at the bigger picture! He is getting attacked from every angle folks
WHY?




I got that brother jagman ... and that is why he is so popular.

Every attack from the system raises his popularity.


The frustration with the system is overwhelming.


I have a hard time with the "enhanced torture" (which really is nonsense that only leads to false information) and lately the suggestion he suggests that nukes against terrorists are on the table.


Really?


Stop and think about that.


We are not talking about nations or armies ... we are talking about possible nuking an alleged terrorist cell which has more often than not led to mostly "collateral damage".


Using nukes against "terrorists" jagman???


Are you really up for that?

[MorningSong]

More kinks in the chain.... I just saw this on breakingnews.com:


Rubio Makes Unprecedented Bid to Keep Delegates for Contested Convention
by Ari Melber Mar 30 2016, 8:26 am ET

Despite suspending his campaign, Sen. Marco Rubio is attempting to keep every delegate he won while running for president.

The unusual move reflects preparations for a contested convention this summer — and comes as Donald Trump backed away from an earlier pledge to support the Republican party's nominee if he is treated unfairly after winning more delegates than his rivals.

Rubio aide Alex Burgos told MSNBC that while the Florida senator is "no longer a candidate," he "wants to give voters a chance to stop Trump."

When presidential candidates suspend their campaigns, typically their delegates become free to support the candidate of their own choosing at the convention. Rubio, however, has quietly been reaching out to party officials with a different approach.

He is personally asking state parties in 21 states and territories to refrain from releasing any of the 172 delegates he won while campaigning this year, MSNBC has learned.

Rubio sent a signed letter to the Chair of the Alaska Republican Party requesting the five delegates he won in that state "remain bound to vote for me" at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July.

Rubio copied National Chairman Reince Preibus on the letter - and sent the same request to all 21 states and territories where he won delegates, a source working for Rubio confirmed.

The Alaska GOP granted the request this week.

"Rubio said, 'I want my delegates,' and I said, okay," explains retired Army Col. Peter Goldberg, Chairman of the Alaska Republican Party.

Goldberg said he consulted RNC officials in Washington, who told him other state parties are consulting their rules in order to decide what to do with Rubio's delegates.

"They said some are trying to figure it out," Goldberg said. "Most states are leaning towards giving [Rubio] his delegates."

Delegate allocation decisions are up to each state party, not the RNC.

Alaska's party rules say delegates can be taken from a candidate if he "drops out" before the state's convention.

Since those rules do "not use the word 'suspend'," Goldberg said he decided Rubio could keep his delegates, while acknowledging that previously, "we've always taken 'suspend' to mean 'drop.'"

Presidential candidates often say they are "suspending" — rather than ending — a campaign in order to maintain an operation for handling bills and paperwork.

"No one has ever really tested this, the idea has always been that when you suspend, you're out," said a senior Republican in Washington, D.C., who did not want to publicly discuss a contested convention.

"No candidate has ever said, 'I want to suspend — but I also want the delegates,'" according to the source.

Rubio's gambit could even impact who wins the Republican nomination.

If he convinces most state parties to maintain his delegates, that could effectively deny Trump 172 potential delegates from now through the first vote at this summer's convention.

If Trump fails to win a majority of delegates during the primaries, he can try to make up the gap by winning over some of the 323 delegates thought to be up for grabs.

Campaigns have talked about winning over those 323 delegates, a reference to delegates from states that don't bind their vote — which some describe as a GOP version of the Democrats' super delegates — combined with delegates backing candidates no longer in the race.

The Trump Campaign, for example, has explicitly said it can woo those delegates if it finishes the primaries short the 1,237-delegate majority.

If Rubio is successful, however, he could cut that prized pool of delegates down to just 151.

That means if Trump finishes more than 100 delegates shy of a majority, he is less likely to win the nomination on the first ballot.

While the prospect of taking these delegates off the table only spilled into public view this week, when Alaska reapportioned its delegates, the potential significance was not lost on Rubio's campaign.

People close to the senator discussed this strategy before he suspended his campaign, according to a Republican source, even gaming out language for his concession speech that would be less likely to trigger a loss of delegates.

Even if successful, Rubio's delegate plan would not give him any individual leverage to play "kingmaker" at a contested convention.

Even in states that bind his delegates, like Alaska, they will only be required to vote Rubio on the convention's early ballots. The rules would not give Rubio any official control over who his delegates might support on later ballots, when the rules "release" them from having to back the candidate they were bound to by their state's primary results.

Beyond that, Rubio's plan also turns on the national rules governing the convention.

Some states only bind delegates to a candidate if he is listed on the national convention's first ballot. So Rubio could convince a state party to hold his delegates, based on their rules, but he would still need the national convention to put his name on that first ballot.

That might be a tall order for a man no longer running for President. Indeed, past conventions have required candidates to achieve a minimum level of support in the primaries to be listed on the ballot.

Take Minnesota, where Rubio won 17 delegates. The state GOP reiterated this month that delegates attached to a candidate must vote for him "if that candidate is on the first ballot" at the convention, but if not, they "may vote for any candidate."

In a contested convention, delegates and insiders backing Cruz and Trump would have sway over who is listed on the first ballot. It is possible an anti-Trump coalition would push rules protecting Rubio in order to thwart Trump.

While Rubio is going to great lengths to hold onto his delegates, there is no doubt he has stopped competing in future primaries. This week he sent a signed affidavit to have his name removed from the ballot in California, which awards 172 delegates on the last voting day in June.

Goldberg, the Alaska GOP chair, has his eyes on that state.

"My gut feeling is that no one will clinch 1,237 before convention," he says, "It may all hang on what happens in California, but we'll see.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/rubio-makes-unprecedented-bid-keep-delegates-contested-convention-n547646

[Calz]

For anyone still interested ... go to 51:50 mark to hear Roger Stone talking about the "stop the steal" effort going forward into the convention.

Sanders should be doing the same because Hillary is the overall big steal.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_-lpWU1D8

[TargeT]

For anyone still interested ... go to 51:50 mark to hear Roger Stone talking about the "stop the steal" effort going forward into the convention.

Sanders should be doing the same because Hillary is the overall big steal.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk_-lpWU1D8

"steal"?

you don't have to "steal" delegates... the popular vote is meaningless here, but I guess that's not nearly as sensational as "the big steal".


This video put A. Jones back in the controlled opposition camp for me again; he's just emphasizing the game & divide and conquer "us vs them" mentality... this situation just seems "off" to me.


This country shouldn't be a democracy, it should be a Republic (with actual oversight and no corporate ties) as it's meant to be, Democracies are terrifying due to the general public's mentality, gullibility, and heavily indoctrinated state .

[Calz]

"steal"?

you don't have to "steal" delegates... the popular vote is meaningless here, but I guess that's not nearly as sensational as "the big steal".


This video put A. Jones back in the controlled opposition camp for me again; he's just emphasizing the game & divide and conquer "us vs them" mentality... this situation just seems "off" to me.


This country shouldn't be a democracy, it should be a Republic (with actual oversight and no corporate ties) as it's meant to be, Democracies are terrifying due to the general public's mentality, gullibility, and heavily indoctrinated state .


These are the hands we're given.

Yes it *should* be a Republic.


Is it???


Always the lesser of evils (with no actual choice).

To me it actually is an "us vs them" situation (globalists vs nationalists).


No doubt what will happen if Hillary is elected (or Obummer manages to get the election cancelled).


Game over ... take your chip (with a dose of civil unrest/war mixed in).


Stone is talking about Trump filing one (or several lawsuits) in several states based on voter fraud.

He is bringing in people that know how to play the convention "game".

Yes ... votes from the public are technically meaningless ... both parties have made that clear.

What if the court system doesn't see it that way?


We have seen masses overthrow governments around the world over the years.


We have seen military coups.


We have not seen it here.


Anyway ... pick your poison ... the evil you know or a wildcard (or two counting Sanders).


What do you suggest we do???

[TargeT]

you don't have to "steal" delegates... the popular vote is meaningless here, but I guess that's not nearly as sensational as "the big steal".
This video put A. Jones back in the controlled opposition camp for me again; he's just emphasizing the game & divide and conquer "us vs them" mentality... this situation just seems "off" to me.
This country shouldn't be a democracy, it should be a Republic (with actual oversight and no corporate ties) as it's meant to be, Democracies are terrifying due to the general public's mentality, gullibility, and heavily indoctrinated state .


These are the hands we're given.

Yes it *should* be a Republic.


Is it???

Legally and structurally: yes, however it is not enforced due to confusion & lack of general population education (or rather, the general populations lack of care)



Always the lesser of evils (with no actual choice).

To me it actually is an "us vs them" situation (globalists vs nationalists).

It might be framed that way now, but for the last hundred years or so it's definitely been the globalists vs everyone (even themselves at times)... so but this is almost irrelevant to the topic at hand, it's effectively "always" been like this.



No doubt what will happen if Hillary is elected (or Obummer manages to get the election cancelled).
Game over ... take your chip (with a dose of civil unrest/war mixed in).

I will guarantee that this is not going to be the case, civil unrest? we've had that pretty constantly for nearly a decade now, war? I'm pretty sure we are still in afganistan, Iraq & many other middle eastern countries... if it's not war it's damn close too it (now the possibility of WW3 is INTERESTING but as the stage stands now, unlikely... look for catalyzing events with Russia as a focus in the future, but not likely currently (all previous predictions aside..).



Stone is talking about Trump filing one (or several lawsuits) in several states based on voter fraud.

He is bringing in people that know how to play the convention "game".

Yes ... votes from the public are technically meaningless ... both parties have made that clear.

What if the court system doesn't see it that way?

The judges would have to be REALLY high to not see it that way, the language of the electoral college system is very clear.



We have seen masses overthrow governments around the world over the years.
We have seen military coups.
We have not seen it here.
Anyway ... pick your poison ... the evil you know or a wildcard (or two counting Sanders).

Know why we have seen them other places but not here?

The MAJORITY of those Coups & over throws were started by the US intelligence agencies.... our "fall" will be economic, not military or political (current situation in mind).

I wouldn't say Trump or Sanders are wildcards.. I'd say it's a choice between 2.5 evils right now.. the Political evil you know, the Capitalist evil you know, and the .5 re-branded-Establishment evil you know.



What do you suggest we do???

Here's what I do in situations like this.


Look around you, is this effecting anything with in arms reach of you with in the next 24 hours?

how about with in walking distance?

how about with in driving distance?

After you have answered those (and I assume your answers will be similar to mine,,, none of this directly effects me, not even in-directly).

What do I suggest be done?

It can be hard to start, but once you do it's easy to maintain:

DON'T GIVE THEM YOUR ENERGY!

I see my mental energy as an analogous with money... you have a finite resource that you get to direct where it is "spent"; what benefits you more; worrying about politics or gardening?

Worrying about the economy or ensuring you are self reliant?

Worrying about Ebola or securing/ repairing your food/shelter?

I think politics are fun, I used to be H E A V I L Y into them (starting a PAC & helping create 3 2nd amendment task force groups in Alaska) but you know what that 3 year foray into politic involvement did for me as a person? not much... my faith in humanity was erroded, I spent a bunch of time and money I'll never get back & I gained almost no useful skills.

Politics...
https://libertopiacartoon.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/wheel2.jpg



You know what I think you should do?
http://cdn.patch.com/users/485217/2016/02/T800x600/20160256ba3d1bab795.jpg

[Calz]

http://www.hangtogetherblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Well-played.jpg


Sounds good to me ...


Watching a few of the "demonstrations" around the "events" suggests there is a vast chasm there.


We shall see how that plays out on our collective consciousness.

[TargeT]

Watching a few of the "demonstrations" around the "events" suggests there is a vast chasm there.

We shall see how that plays out on our collective consciousness.

This is the reason I still try to keep up with the politic distraction (at least a little)... This social injection tool still is pretty powerful (Election debates effectively frame the mind set of political followers, THEIR debate becomes YOUR debate; it's INSANE how effective this is), but this slight down turn is interesting and I hope the start of a trend:
http://newshour-tc.pbs.org/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Turnout-1940-2014.jpg

Maybe that's a good sign? still far too early to tell.

[PurpleLama]

-AQjZ8ZbnF4

[Calz]

Watching a few of the "demonstrations" around the "events" suggests there is a vast chasm there.

We shall see how that plays out on our collective consciousness.

This is the reason I still try to keep up with the politic distraction (at least a little)... This social injection tool still is pretty powerful (Election debates effectively frame the mind set of political followers, THEIR debate becomes YOUR debate; it's INSANE how effective this is), but this slight down turn is interesting and I hope the start of a trend:


Maybe that's a good sign? still far too early to tell.


Chart goes to 2014.

Is not the Trump turnout way beyond anything we have witnessed in recent years???

Your point well taken regarding masses/coups around the world but does not such a vast outpouring from the public demanding *real* change suggest something? THEIR debate becoming OUR debate about whether or not we simply roll over to the one world everything I don't think is a "bad" debate to have.

Yes I know ... "change you can believe in" ... yada yada (Obummer).

Battle with the globalists (illooneys) sure goes back at least to the 1861 discovery of the Albert Pike document.

I by no means discount voting with your money (energy) ... yet I find it difficult to believe that overwhelming percentages of popular will can be ignored beyond a certain point.

That point should become clear soon.


Who knows ... how many millions of people worldwide were on the streets to protest against the start of the (1st) Iraq war.

Lot of good that did ...

[TargeT]

Watching a few of the "demonstrations" around the "events" suggests there is a vast chasm there.

We shall see how that plays out on our collective consciousness.

This is the reason I still try to keep up with the politic distraction (at least a little)... This social injection tool still is pretty powerful (Election debates effectively frame the mind set of political followers, THEIR debate becomes YOUR debate; it's INSANE how effective this is), but this slight down turn is interesting and I hope the start of a trend:


Maybe that's a good sign? still far too early to tell.


Chart goes to 2014.

Is not the Trump turnout way beyond anything we have witnessed in recent years???

That chart is for the actual elections (Primary and mid) not.. what ever is being told to us is happening on TV now.


Your point well taken regarding masses/coups around the world but does not such a vast outpouring from the public demanding *real* change suggest something? THEIR debate becoming OUR debate about whether or not we simply roll over to the one world everything I don't think is a "bad" debate to have.

Well... Obama had some pretty good turn outs as well; honestly this seems like the 2008 elections all over again,,, like almost exactly, just slightly different context (same archetypes).



Battle with the globalists (illooneys) sure goes back at least to the 1861 discovery of the Albert Pike document.

If it's what I think it is it's been in place for millennia.


I by no means discount voting with your money (energy) ... yet I find it difficult to believe that overwhelming percentages of popular will can be ignored beyond a certain point.

That point should become clear soon.

Remember when Bush lost florida, then won it?

Did anyone care much?



Who knows ... how many millions of people worldwide were on the streets to protest against the start of the (1st) Iraq war.

Lot of good that did ...

Vietnam, Korea... those protests were HUGE compared to Iraq... did anything happen?

If you hear about it on TV, it's what "they" want, simple as that (global media is controlled by a handful of players that all hang out together).
0hxMaAAmaX0
If I hear anything on TV, I'll assume it's best to think or do the opposite.... it's worked pretty well for me so far.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Vietnam, Korea... those protests were HUGE compared to Iraq... did anything happen?

I think it must have played some role in our withdrawal from Vietnam at least. The Nixon administration for one was terrified of the popular uprisings at home, and Kent State and similar events like that were a very dark time for our country.

More recently, you remember when Obama was interrupting prime time television two or three days in a row to preach about how we needed to take out Assad? After that he still only had something like 7% public support for action against Assad. And nothing happened. They can't just walk all over everyone blatantly to an extreme, or even the most ignorant parts of society would wake up, and they are the ones who would actually revolt and the government knows it. They walk a thin line and invest billions of dollars into brainwashing people with media for a reason. We do have an enormous amount of power collectively, when we are not divided amongst ourselves (but neither can we unite behind a globalist traitor).

[Chester]

looks like dead man limping now

Trump is barely a favorite to win the Republican nomination -

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/republican-candidate

[PurpleLama]

And that's how Kim Kardashian gets elected President. (http://kunstler.com/cluster****-nation/the-mystery-revealed/)

[Calz]

This "election" becomes more of a joke by the day.

Perhaps we should move the thread to the "lighter side" forum???

_______________


Clinton campaign accuses Sanders of trying to win nomination instead of just being a symbolic candidate

Andy Borowitz
The New Yorker/The Borowitz Report
Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:39 UTC


New York—The war of words between the two Democratic camps heated up over the weekend, as the Clinton campaign accused Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders of "blatantly attempting to win the Democratic nomination for President."

Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press," the Clinton campaign spokesman Harland Dorrinson said that Sanders's actions in the past few weeks "left little doubt as to what his true intentions are—namely, to be the Party's nominee."

"He's been raising money, he's been running in primaries, and, yes, he's been winning caucuses," the Clinton aide said. "It's time for Bernie Sanders to come clean with the American people and admit what he's really up to."

"It's deeply troubling that what appeared at first to be a purely symbolic candidacy has turned into something else entirely," he said.

In an interview on CNN, Secretary Clinton said that she would not "take the bait" when she was asked whether she thought Sanders was trying to win the nomination, but she stopped short of disavowing the accusation.

"I think that's a question that only Senator Sanders can answer," she said. "But I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that if, at the end of the day, it turns out that Bernie Sanders has been doing everything he's been doing because he wants to be President, that would be very disappointing."


http://www.sott.net/article/316248-Clinton-campaign-accuses-Sanders-of-trying-to-win-nomination-instead-of-just-being-a-symbolic-candidate

[TargeT]

<not reading links = fail >

[Sierra]

She should talk... :facepalm:

[Eram]

This "election" becomes more of a joke by the day.

Perhaps we should move the thread to the "lighter side" forum???

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Clinton campaign accuses Sanders of trying to win nomination instead of just being a symbolic candidate

Andy Borowitz
The New Yorker/The Borowitz Report
Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:39 UTC


New York—The war of words between the two Democratic camps heated up over the weekend, as the Clinton campaign accused Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders of "blatantly attempting to win the Democratic nomination for President."

Appearing on NBC's "Meet the Press," the Clinton campaign spokesman Harland Dorrinson said that Sanders's actions in the past few weeks "left little doubt as to what his true intentions are—namely, to be the Party's nominee."

"He's been raising money, he's been running in primaries, and, yes, he's been winning caucuses," the Clinton aide said. "It's time for Bernie Sanders to come clean with the American people and admit what he's really up to."

"It's deeply troubling that what appeared at first to be a purely symbolic candidacy has turned into something else entirely," he said.

In an interview on CNN, Secretary Clinton said that she would not "take the bait" when she was asked whether she thought Sanders was trying to win the nomination, but she stopped short of disavowing the accusation.

"I think that's a question that only Senator Sanders can answer," she said. "But I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that if, at the end of the day, it turns out that Bernie Sanders has been doing everything he's been doing because he wants to be President, that would be very disappointing."


http://www.sott.net/article/316248-Clinton-campaign-accuses-Sanders-of-trying-to-win-nomination-instead-of-just-being-a-symbolic-candidate

I think this is satire ? :P

[Calz]

I think this is satire ? :P




Yep ... yet has more truth to it than almost anything else we have heard on the campaign trail lately :)

[Eram]

I think this is satire ? :P




Yep ... yet has more truth to it than almost anything else we have heard on the campaign trail lately :)

If Sanders entered the race as an agreed side show to the Clinton campaign, then he certainly managed to fool me.
Bernie's social activism can be traced back to 40 years back and it has always be the same.
He seems to be dead serious about it and I don't belief for one minute that he is into some conspiracy to put up a grand show for the citizens of the US, just to keep them asleep.

[Calz]

I think this is satire ? :P




Yep ... yet has more truth to it than almost anything else we have heard on the campaign trail lately :)

If Sanders entered the race as an agreed side show to the Clinton campaign, then he certainly managed to fool me.
Bernie's social activism can be traced back to 40 years back and it has always be the same.
He seems to be dead serious about it and I don't belief for one minute that he is into some conspiracy to put up a grand show for the citizens of the US, just to keep them asleep.


Targeted at Hitlery not Bernie.

Trump and Sanders are fighting a near impossible battle.

Isn't it obvious to everyone?


What is to come from the GOP brokered convention ... Ryan???


Yes he says no ... just like he did regarding the speakership.


I would prefer Ronald McDonald over Hillary ... so yes I feel the Burn in that regard.


The "other" Clinton will lock in the globalist agenda ... and who will stop it???

[Calz]

Okay I'll spell it out this time.

***Not Satire***

Hillary for prison??? Gosh is there an echo in here???


________________________



Ted Cruz hints that he'll put Killary in jail if elected president


RT
Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:16 UTC


Hillary Clinton is campaigning to make the White House her next home, but she could find herself in "different government housing" if Ted Cruz is elected president. The Republican hinted that he would throw Clinton behind bars over her email scandal.

Speaking at a rally in Irvine, California, on Monday, Cruz said: "I've got slightly different government housing in mind for her."

Although Cruz did not elaborate on the comment, it is most likely in reference to the FBI's investigation into Clinton's use of a private email server while acting as secretary of state from 2009 to 2013.

It remains unclear just how serious Cruz was when he made the statement. However, his supporters responded to the comment with cheers and applause.

Within minutes of the speech ending, a vendor selling "Hillary for Prison" badges was completely sold out.

Cruz's comment on Monday comes after a statement made last year, in which he joked that Clinton would ultimately end up at the famous Leavenworth federal penitentiary.

Clinton's campaign has been tainted by her decision to use a private email server when acting as secretary of state, a move which many claim placed sensitive information at risk. Clinton has apologized for using the server, but insists she used secure channels for classified information.

The State Department has suspended plans for an internal review of whether classified information was properly handled, at the FBI's request.

Clinton's critics also point to her role in the death of four Americans at a US outpost in Benghazi, Libya, in 2012, with State Department emails apparently conflicting with her testimony of what happened the night the outpost was attacked.

However, despite efforts by Cruz to use Clinton's controversies to his advantage, recent polls show Clinton beating the Republican candidate in the November election, should they be the nominees for their respective parties.


http://www.sott.net/article/316357-Ted-Cruz-hints-that-he-ll-put-Killary-in-jail-if-elected-president

[TargeT]

Donald Trump... a case study:

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Donald Trump's Debates: 5 Mental Tricks You Didn't Notice

Donald Trump has proven himself to be a master persuader. His unlikely rise to prominence in the Republican primaries has riden on the fact that he knows how to work the media during interviews as well as his performances in the GOP debates against the likes of Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz.

When watching the debates, many of his detractors criticize Trump's apparent lack of substance. For instance, he ducked Megyn Kelly's question about sexism with a joke about Rosie O'Donnell. He seems to repeat buzz words more than other candidates and often justifies his positions by referring to other people who support his stances, rather than defending them outright. While this may seem like weak arguments, Donald Trump's debate strategies actually align perfectly with the way humans think and process information. For that reason, Trump's arguments tend to sink in more than his opponent's (like Jeb Bush and Ted Cruz) do.

In this video we'll look at the top 5 relatively unknown psychological truths that Trump exploits to get his point across during interviews and debates.

[PurpleLama]

http://theantimedia.org/2016-americans-realized-elections-rigged/

[PurpleLama]

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2858-the-weirdest-possible-outcomes-for-the-strangest-election-in-us-history

If you are a longtime activist in the Liberty Movement then you are well aware that elections do not matter in terms of the future direction our nation takes. Presidents are puppets of international financiers, and so are most legislators. Whenever a president does attempt to go against the system, he either ends up shot by a “lone gunman,” or his office is disgraced by a conveniently-leaked scandal.

Today, elections represent the illusion of choice; that is all. The leadership of both major parties seem different in terms of their rhetoric, but this is all cosmetic. Underneath the talk, Democrat and Republican leaders are nearly identical in their support for bigger government, more centralization, less constitutional protections, more globalism, more power to international banks and central banks, and less transparency and accountability.

For many decades now, the choice has been between the puppet on the left hand or the puppet on the right hand. This year is proving to be a little different, at least on the face of things, to the point where elections are becoming rather surreal.

For younger generations with limited experience participating in the world of U.S. elections, developments today might seem odd but not outlandish. For older generations of Americans a consensus seems to be forming and the concerns commonly expressed in the mainstream and on the web appear to match – 2016 is turning out to be the strangest presidential election they have ever seen.

In my recent article “Will A Trump Presidency Really Change Anything For The Better?,” I examine Trump’s ambiguity as an individual and his lack of political history, and why this makes him a hard candidate to pin down. The fact is, Trump is enticing to the public for the most part because the public has no idea what he really stands for. We have no evidence that his rhetoric is false because he has no legislative history to contradict his claims.

With candidates like Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, and Ted Cruz, the public is well aware of where they really stand on the issues – Clinton is hardcore globalist establishment, Ted Cruz is the same though he pretends to be opposite, and Bernie, well, Bernie is a damn socialist and his only redeeming value is that he is at least honest about it.

The public knows what they will get with the other candidates; they do not know what they will get with Trump. Thus, Trump enjoys an incredible level of popularity because many Americans would rather gamble on the unknown than stick with the status quo.

The very presence of a candidate like Trump alone makes election 2016 extra weird, but this is only the beginning.

Some might argue that any change in the atmosphere of our election process at this point can only be a good thing. I would argue that the fact that the establishment is allowing their long time control mechanism to evolve into an overwhelming reality television-style circus (rather than the stiff and boringly predictable farce we are used to) suggests that Americans are being deliberately distracted from dangerous geopolitical and economic developments.

[observer]

^^^^ A brilliant summation, Purple.

At what point will the Masses realize this is all so much a cartoon?

Perhaps if Bugs Bunny were to ride into the show on a steam-roller, throwing candy to the crowds of children.... perhaps that would be convincing enough!!!!

[PurpleLama]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882

On Saturday, April 9, Colorado had an “election” without voters. Delegates were chosen on behalf of a presidential nominee, yet the people of Colorado were not able to cast their ballots to say which nominee they preferred.

A planned vote had been canceled. And one million Republicans in Colorado were sidelined.

In recent days, something all too predictable has happened: Politicians furiously defended the system. “These are the rules,” we were told over and over again. If the “rules” can be used to block Coloradans from voting on whether they want better trade deals, or stronger borders, or an end to special-interest vote-buying in Congress—well, that’s just the system and we should embrace it.

Let me ask America a question: How has the “system” been working out for you and your family?

I, for one, am not interested in defending a system that for decades has served the interest of political parties at the expense of the people. Members of the club—the consultants, the pollsters, the politicians, the pundits and the special interests—grow rich and powerful while the American people grow poorer and more isolated.

No one forced anyone to cancel the vote in Colorado. Political insiders made a choice to cancel it. And it was the wrong choice.

Responsible leaders should be shocked by the idea that party officials can simply cancel elections in America if they don’t like what the voters may decide.

The only antidote to decades of ruinous rule by a small handful of elites is a bold infusion of popular will. On every major issue affecting this country, the people are right and the governing elite are wrong. The elites are wrong on taxes, on the size of government, on trade, on immigration, on foreign policy.

Why should we trust the people who have made every wrong decision to substitute their will for America’s will in this presidential election?

Here, I part ways with Sen. Ted Cruz.

Mr. Cruz has toured the country bragging about his voterless victory in Colorado. For a man who styles himself as a warrior against the establishment (you wouldn’t know it from his list of donors and endorsers), you’d think he would be demanding a vote for Coloradans. Instead, Mr. Cruz is celebrating their disenfranchisement.

Likewise, Mr. Cruz loudly boasts every time party insiders disenfranchise voters in a congressional district by appointing delegates who will vote the opposite of the expressed will of the people who live in that district.

That’s because Mr. Cruz has no democratic path to the nomination. He has been mathematically eliminated by the voters.

While I am self-funding, Mr. Cruz rakes in millions from special interests. Yet despite his financial advantage, Mr. Cruz has won only three primaries outside his home state and trails me by two million votes—a gap that will soon explode even wider. Mr. Cruz loses when people actually get to cast ballots. Voter disenfranchisement is not merely part of the Cruz strategy—it is the Cruz strategy.

The great irony of this campaign is that the “Washington cartel” that Mr. Cruz rails against is the very group he is relying upon in his voter-nullification scheme.

My campaign strategy is to win with the voters. Ted Cruz’s campaign strategy is to win despite them.

What we are seeing now is not a proper use of the rules, but a flagrant abuse of the rules. Delegates are supposed to reflect the decisions of voters, but the system is being rigged by party operatives with “double-agent” delegates who reject the decision of voters.

The American people can have no faith in such a system. It must be reformed.

Just as I have said that I will reform our unfair trade, immigration and economic policies that have also been rigged against Americans, so too will I work closely with the chairman of the Republican National Committee and top GOP officials to reform our election policies. Together, we will restore the faith—and the franchise—of the American people.

We must leave no doubt that voters, not donors, choose the nominee.

How have we gotten to the point where politicians defend a rigged delegate-selection process with more passion than they have ever defended America’s borders?

Perhaps it is because politicians care more about securing their private club than about securing their country.

My campaign will, of course, battle for every last delegate. We will work within the system that exists now, while fighting to have it reformed in the future. But we will do it the right way. My campaign will seek maximum transparency, maximum representation and maximum voter participation.

We will run a campaign based on empowering voters, not sidelining them.

Let us take inspiration from patriotic Colorado citizens who have banded together in protest. Let us make Colorado a rallying cry on behalf of all the forgotten people whose desperate pleas have for decades fallen on the deaf ears and closed eyes of our rulers in Washington, D.C.

The political insiders have had their way for a long time. Let 2016 be remembered as the year the American people finally got theirs.

America is starting to wake up to its disenfranchisement, thanks largely to the Donald. I personally don't care for him, but in spite of some of his offensive antics, he is at least contributing to the masses starting to see how much is amiss with the current system. If he is supposed to be a controlled sideline to the current election, it is perchance that he does the job too well.

[PurpleLama]

They may well be planning to ram Billary into office in spite of the obvious will of the american people, just to further enhance our feelings of resignation in the face of our rigged system. As Bush was not elected, but made president, and Obama was persident and not eligible, so will she be pushed through to office by some illegitimate means, perhaps.

[TargeT]

They may well be planning to ram Billary into office in spite of the obvious will of the american people, just to further enhance our feelings of resignation in the face of our rigged system. As Bush was not elected, but made president, and Obama was persident and not eligible, so will she be pushed through to office by some illegitimate means, perhaps.

honestly? that's probably the best outcome.. if it's clear that public will is violated "by the rules" or not.

something needs to wake up "joe six pack" posting on PA sure won't do it... how do you reach that demographic except through the very channels that are controlled by that which we are trying to reject... the best option may be just to let the system blow up on itself... (I've been waiting for it to do that for a while... no Empire(government) lasts longer than 250 years (http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-life-span-of-empires-250-years.html)... at least no publicly known one).

[Sierra]

“Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. senators and congress members.” — Former President Jimmy Carter

A pox on both houses, and the presidency. We, ya'll... DO know the two party system is complete BS, right? (Not just Carter, the same warning was given by Eisenhower and Kennedy, as well.)

[A Voice from the Mountains]

From what little I've seen on MSM lately, Fox and MSNBC are both starting to (finally) speak more favorably of Trump and make his case about how shutting him out at the convention would split the republican party, considering Trump has by far the most votes and the most delegates and has been saying the whole time that the republican establishment are working against him (which they obviously are). So taking his voters and splitting the party in half would be totally feasible for Trump and the republican party has to take this into consideration.

I think that thanks to this election, people are paying a lot more attention to how this whole process works and realizing how incredibly and openly corrupt it is. People are voting more for Trump than anyone else and yet the Cruz campaign is trying to win over all the delegates that Trump has won by giving them "gifts" (ie bribes). And not only this but openly bragging about doing so, as if this is a great and honorable thing in a supposedly democratic nation. Actually we were founded as a republic but I doubt most people even know what the difference is anymore.

[PurpleLama]

“Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president. And the same thing applies to governors, and U.S. senators and congress members.” — Former President Jimmy Carter

A pox on both houses, and the presidency. We, ya'll... DO know the two party system is complete BS, right? (Not just Carter, the same warning was given by Eisenhower and Kennedy, as well.)
http://theantimedia.org/ron-paul-elections-rigged-voting-pacify/

[PurpleLama]

http://buchanan.org/blog/gop-risking-suicide-125128


Donald Trump has brought out the largest crowds in the history of primaries. He has won the most victories, the most delegates, the most votes. He is poised to sweep three of the five largest states in the nation — New York, Pennsylvania and California.

If he does, and the nomination is taken from him, the Republican Party will be seen by the American people as a glorified Chinese tong.

Last week, Ted Cruz swept 34 delegates at the Colorado party convention. Attendees were not allowed to vote on whom they wanted as the party’s nominee.

This weekend, Cruz shut out Trump in Wyoming the same way.

What does this tell us? Cruz has a better “ground game.” His operatives work the system better. Ted Cruz is the king of small ball.

But having gone head-to-head in some 30 primaries and caucuses, Cruz has fallen millions of votes behind Trump, and will fall millions further behind after New York, Pennsylvania and California.

Cruz will soon join John Kasich in being mathematically eliminated from winning the nomination on the first ballot. His fallback strategy is to keep Trump just short of the 1,237 votes needed for victory on the first ballot, and then steal the nomination on the second.

How? Poaching and pilfering. In state after state, he is getting Cruz loyalists elected as Trump delegates. After casting an obligatory vote for Trump on the first ballot, the turncoats will go over the hill and vote for Cruz on the second ballot.

Faithless delegates are preparing to switch to give Ted Cruz a nomination that he could not persuade Republican voters to confer upon him.

Like the 1919 World Series, the fix is in.

The rules are the rules, says Republican National Chairman Reince Priebus in defense of what went down in Colorado and Wyoming.

Priebus is correct. The rules are the rules. But what is also true is that the rules have been and are being manipulated by party elites to frustrate the expressed will of a Republican electorate, and to impose a nominee other then the clear winner of the primaries.

Republican elites are engaged in a conspiracy to frustrate and overturn the democratic decision of the Republican electorate.

Prediction: If Trump sweeps the remaining major primaries, comes to Cleveland with millions more votes than any other candidate, and then has the nomination stolen from him, the Grand Old Party will be committing hara-kiri on worldwide TV.

This political race ranks among the most exciting in American history. Seventeen Republicans entered the lists last summer in what party officials hailed as “the strongest Republican field since 1980.”

Then Trump came down the escalator, took them on, and bested them all. Can Republican Party elites think they will be celebrated if they substitute their wants for the will of the voters?

A Cruz nomination would be like taking the gold medal away from the man who won it, and handing it to a runner-up. The GOP elites would be about as popular as those Olympic boxing judges in South Korea.

The deeper problem here is the refusal of party elites to realize that the world has changed.

The Bush dynasty is done. Jeb Bush, the Prince of Wales, understands this. He will not be going to Cleveland.

The primaries have starkly revealed that a new era is upon us.

Even the neocons, the dominant element among the 121 foreign policy experts who declared in an open letter that they will never work for a President Trump, testify to this.

They see Trump’s victories as a repudiation of their legacy, and a Trump presidency as the end of their post-Cold War ascendancy.

And given the disasters they have produced for America, from Afghanistan to Iraq, Libya and Yemen, the nation would be well rid of them.

Indeed, Trump’s victories, and the energies he has unleashed, are due, not only to his outsized persona but to his issues.

[Calz]

A Cruz nomination would be like taking the gold medal away from the man who won it, and handing it to a runner-up. The GOP elites would be about as popular as those Olympic boxing judges in South Korea.





... or worse yet run Romney and Ryan who didn't get a single popular vote ...


It might happen.

[Calz]

Devil's advocate time.

Say Trump gets blocked out of the GOP (no stretch).


He can still run independent ... right???


Stop and think about that.


Normally impossible odds.


.... but wait ....


the GOP has fallen into total disgrace ...


Half of the Bernie supporters would vote for Trump.


Against all odds could Trump still win as an independent???

[Calz]

What a joke ... no one is laughing ...

_______________


RNC Rules Committee Member: “If Trump Gets 1,237 Delegates, That Doesn’t Mean He’ll be Nominee”

“The votes during the primary process are only estimates.”

Jim Hoft | Gateway Pundit - April 23, 2016


In March Republican convention rules member Curly Haugland told CNBC that the delegates choose the GOP nominee, not the people.

On Friday Curly told CNBC that even if Donald Trump wins 1,237 delegates that does not mean he will be the Republican nominee.


http://www.infowars.com/rnc-rules-committee-member-if-trump-gets-1237-delegates-that-doesnt-mean-hell-be-nominee/

[Rocky_Shorz]

"I have a question for you.

If I was to describe an American politician whose popularity among the people of his nation was due to his hatred of the free trade agreements that were destroying jobs, was openly trashing the political elites for creating a political system whereby the ordinary people were left out of the decision making processes for the nation, nearly every day railed against European nations for not doing their fair share, and in spite of the daily attacks against him by the mainstream press was able to not only run for President of the United States, but win it too—how many of you would think I’m talking about Donald Trump?

Everyone who thought I was talking about Donald Trump are mistaken, and, also, forgiven because the President I was referring to was assassinated 115 years ago, and since then has been relegated to the dustbin of history by the American elite classes because not only were they terrified of this man, they despised him—and his name was William McKinley.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ZUneyU7Vo

As the last veteran of the American Civil War (1861-1965), President McKinley never forgot the debt the United States owed Russia for saving their entire nation during this dark period of history as British and French troops massed in Canada and Mexico to invade a war-torn US—but who were stopped in their tracks when Tsar Alexander II sent his entire naval fleet to the US threatening a global war against both Britain and France should they even dare set one foot upon American soil.

http://whatdoesitmean.com/aarr1.jpg

On 24 October 1863, the London satirical publication Punch published a vicious caricature of US President Abraham Lincoln and Russian Tsar Alexander II, demonizing these two friends as bloody oppressors.

So, when McKinley became President in 1897, the British Empire was all-powerful and ruled the oceans of the world with their mighty fleet dictating global trade through their free trade agreements that left hundreds-of-millions in poverty, destroyed entire nations and indigenous populations and reduced to slavery and abject poverty all who opposed them. And in 1892, McKinley warned the American people about the British by saying:

“Under free trade the trader is the master and the producer the slave. Protection is but the law of nature, the law of self-preservation, of self-development, of securing the highest and best destiny of the race of man. [It is said] that protection is immoral.

Why, if protection builds up and elevates 63,000,000 [the U.S. population] of people, the influence of those 63,000,000 of people elevates the rest of the world. We cannot take a step in the pathway of progress without benefiting mankind everywhere.

Well, they say, 'Buy where you can buy the cheapest'.... Of course, that applies to labor as to everything else. Let me give you a maxim that is a thousand times better than that, and it is the protection maxim: 'Buy where you can pay the easiest.' And that spot of earth is where labor wins its highest rewards.”

And not just in words did President McKinley take on the British Empire, but by his actions too in proposing with Russia that they jointly create the largest railway system in the world that would stretch from Europe, across the Bering Straight into Alaska, continue down through North America into Mexico, and end in the South American nation of Argentina—and that President McKinley labeled as “the future for humanity”.

http://whatdoesitmean.com/aarr2.jpg

On 14 September 1901, President McKinley’s dream for “the future of humanity” by the creation of this US-Russian rail system that would have destroyed the power of the British Empire was cut down by an assassins bullet--with his staunchly pro-British Vice President Theodore Roosevelt taking power and not only abandoning what could have been human history’s most uplifting and critical undertaking, but his, also, using the money allocated for it by the US Congress to, instead, build the Panama Canal (beginning in 1904) thus assuring the century long world wars and global economic upheaval that has followed, even to this present day.

Though McKinley’s dream died in 1901 with his assassination, in Russia, Tsar Nicholas II, in 1905, began to revive it with he too knowing its worth to humanity—but whose plans, like McKinley’s, were stopped when the British trained Japanese navy invaded Russia in 1905.

Now I’m going to stop here with this history as many of you may be thinking how this is relevant to today—and here’s why it is:

In 2011, for the first time in over 100 years, McKinley’s, and then Tsar Nicholas II’s, dream for the “the future of humanity” with this historic rail system was made into Russian President Vladimir Putin’s dream too—and who allocated the staggering sum of US$65 billion to begin this railway with its first part, the Siberia-Alaska rail and tunnel to bridge the Bering Strait!

http://whatdoesitmean.com/aarr3.jpg

Even going by the most conservative estimates, once this railway system enters into North America it will provide over 7 million Americans with high-paying jobs that will last a generation and boost the US economy by over $50 trillion by 2040! And the estimates of what this railways system will do for the poverty stricken nations of Mexico, Central and South America (not to mention Europe and Asia) is equally as staggering.

So, and in case you’ve ever wondered about this, there is a very good reason that last December President Putin praised Donald Trump as being “bright and talented”—because EVERYONE KNOWS that if Trump is elected as the next American President a new era of human history will begin." link (http://whatdoesitmean.com/)

an interesting Sorcha History report...

[Carmody]

time to bring back the SNL 'Fellate a donkey for Israel' skit. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ce_1360619328)

(Neo-fascist-corporate-oligarchy control of government structure)

[norman]

Here's a guy who has a startlingly enlightening/frightening perspective on the mess we're in.

It's a one hour chat with Jeff Rense:
https://app.box.com/s/nnilqqpee8qmwyplx6iv8tv89vzf96dx

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[TargeT]

time to bring back the SNL 'Fellate a donkey for Israel' skit. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2ce_1360619328)

(Neo-fascist-corporate-oligarchy control of government structure)

that was freakin great!

[Bill Ryan]

Here's a guy who has a startlingly enlightening/frightening perspective on the mess we're in.

It's a one hour chat with Jeff Rense:
https://app.box.com/s/nnilqqpee8qmwyplx6iv8tv89vzf96dx

:bump:

Terrific interview with Matt Bracken by Jeff Rense, 31 March 2016. Bracken (the author of a book called Enemies Foreign and Domestic (http://amazon.com/Enemies-Foreign-Domestic-Matthew-Bracken/dp/0972831010)) talks about threats to the power grid, terrorism, what's happening in Europe (and will happen in the US), and much more. Recommended.

I had a challenge downloading this, so here it is on another link:

http://projectavalon.net/Matt_Bracken_on_Jeff_Rense_31_March_2016_threats_to_the_grid_terrorism_Europe_and_more.mp3

[ozmirage]

Devil's advocate time.

Against all odds could Trump still win as an independent???
[Second attempt - first wiped out by power outage]
If you know your constitution and law, the office of president is for the execution of laws enacted by CONgress. He is not the leader but the highest ranking public servant.

However, since the president appoints all executive offices below V.P., it is a prime plum for partisan parties to PAY OFF supporters, benefactors and contributors.

If Trump is elected without a party, to which partisan group will he grant his favor?
Demopublicans? Republicrats? Libernerdians?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Naval Intelligence just released a Trump update through Sorcha...

"Donald Trump Takeover Of Media Giants Leaves American Elites In Terror

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

A new report added today to the Security Council’s (SC) massive, and growing, file on American Freemasonic leader Donald Trump’s coup d'état states that America’s elite leaders have been left in “total shock and terror” after Trump’s forces this past week launched a stunning bid to capture one of the last remaining US media giants not under their, Freemason, control.

As we have previously reported, this past February (2016) the Security Council released in the Kremlin a stunning report detailing how the American presidential election was, in fact, a takeover of the United States by Freemasonic forces led by Donald Trump—and has been expanded since then after these Freemasonic forces retaliated against the Vatican, targeted the Marco Rubio-Jeb Bush “Cocaine Empire”, Trump himself was targeted by Mormon mafia and Jesuit assassins, and targeted again by the gay lover of Hillary Clinton's “terrorist comrade”, and after the assassination of Canadian leader Jean Lapierre who was hosting a secret meeting between representatives of Trump and US Senator Bernie Sanders presidential campaigns.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ttkk1.jpg

In this new report though, Federation intelligence analysts state that Trump’s Freemasonic forces, this past Monday (25 April), launched a hostile takeover bid of nearly $1 billion against the Tribune Publishing that is one of the last remaining mainstream news sources controlled by America’s elite classes owning newspapers (and other media outlets) in some of America’s largest cities, and which should they lose this takeover would leave Trump in control of nearly 75% of the United States print media publishing companies.

This hostile takeover bid for Tribune Publishing, his report continues, was launched by the equally powerful, but Trump controlled, Gannett Company that aside from owing the popular USA Today newspaper has become the largest newspaper company in the United States.

With Tribune Publishing CEO Justin Dearborn accusing Gannett executives of “playing games” and of exhibiting “erratic and unreliable” behavior just prior to this hostile takeover bid, this report notes, the true force and power behind this takeover is the most secretive hedge fund in the world, Alden Global Capital.

Alden Global Capital, this report explains, was founded in 2007 and opened offices throughout the world nearly immediately, but cannot be fully understood as its mysterious owner, Randall Smith, is one of (if not the most) secretive man in America who has not granted an interview since the mid 1980’s and no known photographs of him are said to exist.

A Federal Security Service (FSB) file on Randall Smith though, this report says, states that he is 73-years-old and when he was in his mid-20’s, in the late 1960’s, was a graduate student at the Wharton School of Finance and Commerce in Pennsylvania, where he received his MBA, and was the mentor to then younger classman Donald Trump in one of the most secretive courses this school taught.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ttkk2.jpg

To fully understand the Wharton School where Randall Smith mentored Donald Trump, this report continues, one must first know about this schools founder Joseph Wharton—who was one of America’s most powerful 19th century industrialists, a dedicated Freemason, a staunch backer of President William McKinley (who advocated a US-Russia alliance to break the power of the British Empire by building a railway system from Europe to South America), and who specified that the Wharton School faculty advocate American economic protectionism against free trade agreements.

Though the Wharton School, over the past 8 decades, has changed from its original founding ideology, this report says, the core of its “America first” philosophy continued in secret classes taught for selected students from Freemasonic families—such as Randall Smith and Donald Trump.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ttkk3.jpg

In 2007, FSB analysts in this report write, Donald Trump began his planned takeover of the United States by recruiting his Freemasonic ally and Wharton School mentor Randall Smith to establish the Alden Global Capital hedge fund—which immediately began buying up and investing in American media companies, including an initial 2011 investment in Gannet of nearly $150 million, and who just last month stopped the Tribune Publishing takeover of the Denver Post, and is now set to destroy them completely.

So, this report concludes, with Donald Trump’s massive media acquisitions and investments in US media companies nearly accomplished by Randall Smith ahead of the November, 2016 US presidential vote, these Freemasonic forces will now control the vast majority of America’s newspapers (both print and digital) thus leaving America’s elites in “total shock and terror” over the sheer magnitude of what Trump has done to defeat them—and whose public exposure to the American people Trump has vowed to unleash, if he lives. link (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2033.htm)

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ttkk4.png


here at Avalon, we have exposed a lot of Dirt on Freemasons, but when it comes down to it, are they better for America than the current drug running, war mongering elites?

[Alan]

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ttkk4.png


I googled this JFK quote and the consensus seems to be that it's a fake. I'd be curious to know if there's evidence it is real.

[bettye198]

Here's a guy who has a startlingly enlightening/frightening perspective on the mess we're in.

It's a one hour chat with Jeff Rense:
https://app.box.com/s/nnilqqpee8qmwyplx6iv8tv89vzf96dx

:bump:

Terrific interview with Matt Bracken by Jeff Rense, 31 March 2016. Bracken (the author of a book called Enemies Foreign and Domestic (http://amazon.com/Enemies-Foreign-Domestic-Matthew-Bracken/dp/0972831010)) talks about threats to the power grid, terrorism, what's happening in Europe (and will happen in the US), and much more. Recommended.

I had a challenge downloading this, so here it is on another link:

http://projectavalon.net/Matt_Bracken_on_Jeff_Rense_31_March_2016_threats_to_the_grid_terrorism_Europe_and_more.mp3
Thank you Bill! This audio was compelling. I wished it did not go so fast or I would take notes! So I looked into Matt Bracken, an interesting guy, and found some freebie essays of his online. Here is the link: http://ncrenegade.com/tag/matt-bracken/

[thunder24]

Found this in my email today...its a bit of a read. Talks about paul manafort who is now somewhat running trumps campaign... "electoral consultant"
He has been a "political technologist" for dictators, foreign political figures, arms dealers and united states presidents...


....He’s done it before, assisting Gerald Ford in stifling Ronald Reagan’s insurgency at the GOP’s summer classic of 1976. In the conventions that followed, the Republican Party often handed Manafort control of the program and instructed him to stage-manage the show. He produced the morning-in-America convention of 1984 and the Bob Dole nostalgia-thon of 1996.....

...Some saw the hiring of Manafort as desperate, as Trump reaching for a relic from the distant past in the belated hope of compensating for a haphazard campaign infrastructure. In fact, securing Manafort was a coup. He is among the most significant political operatives of the past 40 years, and one of the most effective...

...His work necessarily entails secrecy. Although his client list has included chunks of the Fortune 500, he has also built a booming business working with dictators. As Roger Stone has boasted about their now-disbanded firm: “Black, Manafort, Stone, and Kelly, lined up most of the dictators of the world we could find. … Dictators are in the eye of the beholder.”

Manafort had a special gift for changing how dictators are beheld by American eyes. He would recast them as noble heroes—venerated by Washington think tanks, deluged with money from Congress.

Playing tennis with Yanukovych at Mezhyhirya might have been the culmination of Manafort’s long career. He spent nearly seven years commuting to Kiev. Over that stretch, he remade Ukrainian politics and helped shift the country into Vladimir Putin’s sphere of influence.

It was an impressive achievement, at least according to the ethical calculus that governs Manafort’s world. But then along came Donald Trump — another oligarch in desperate need of his services.... http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-manafort-will-get-donald-trump-elected-2016-4

[turiya]

I'll keep it short & sweet...

Trump a Freemason... LOL!
Unbelievable, you guys are too much - absolutely, and totally unbelievable!

Joe Arpaio, Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona - you remember: The Obama Birth Cerificate Cold Case investigator - 1st time he has ever endorsed / supported a candidate for U.S. President - Donald Trump. That should give you a big clue.


http://southcarolinateapartycoalition.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/sheriff-Joe.jpg

__________________________

From Yahoo Answers!:

Is Donald Trump a Free Mason?

Best Answer: There is nothing saying he is a member of the Fraternity
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110513062300AA0bYU1


__________________________

From:

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/AVALON/TRUMP/DONALD_TRUMP_A_FREEMASON.png

[Calz]

This is funny (at least if she didn't get hurt) .... notice Cruz (and wife) simply ignores his VP has collapsed at his feet ...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6g6Emv3Oc0

[turiya]

Lyin' Ted Resorts to Pleas for Sympathy Due to
Supposed Death Threats of His Delegates by Trump Supporters...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVLyzfHIth8

[Chester]

Cruz done... unless convention bs happens

[turiya]

Contains some video clips that should go down in "Lyn' Ted Cruz" history...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68nozj-CNdY

[Redstar Kachina]

..........

[thunder24]

Contains some video clips that should go down in "Lyn' Ted Cruz's" history...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68nozj-CNdY

i could care less about it all, but damn that is funny

[edina]

Interesting title to this thread. I've been thinking about the potential assassination attempts on Trump.
If something like that should happen, I think it may be because he may not be so readily controlled by the National Security Agency.

I've been reading this document to get a better feel about the situation of "double government."

It's long, but well researched and well worth the read.

National Security and Double Government by Michael J Glennon, (http://harvardnsj.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Glennon-Final.pdf)

People are going to have to get savvy to this if we want to take our power back.

[turiya]

Interesting title to this thread. I've been thinking about the potential assassination attempts on Trump.
If something like that should happen, I think it may be because he may not be so readily controlled by the National Security Agency.

I've been reading this document to get a better feel about the situation of "double government."

It's long, but well researched and well worth the read.

National Security and Double Government by Michael J Glennon, (http://harvardnsj.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Glennon-Final.pdf)

People are going to have to get savvy to this if we want to take our power back.

The first & last time I voted was the time Robert Kennedy got shot... sad, but I ended up voting for the other antiwar candidate - McGovern... Humphrey was just not anything close to a Robert Kennedy. Since then I refused to vote for one idiot over another idiot.

Then I got interested in why was Trump causing so much angst amongst the career politicians? So I started looking into what Trump was about... I came to find - Trump is no idiot!

So, after my lengthy wait, I finally registered to vote for this guy. The whole while the memory of Robert Kennedy persisted. A few days ago I had to consult my HS and ask if this was going to be played out... Answer came back a big - NO!
Trump will go on to be elected, despite the plans to take it away from him in Cleveland. Obviously, this is the reason for Kasich to be still hanging in there - hoping for the long shot (he must've been offered some such thing to keep him hanging out) .

[seeker/reader]

Look at the women family members around drumpf...they all look MK Ultra-ed to me. This is the guy who said he would date his own daughter...because she was good looking. And why would he say that....because he probably already has "dated" her. Is he their puppeteer??? Me thinks, yes.

It shocks me that people think that drumpf is different, that he is not one of the "establishment." People like him don't get rich without mingling with TPTB and thus are compromised.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/4283302/images/r-527851234-huge.jpg

[Calz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY

[TrumanCash]

Was Trump already selected two years ago?

I don't know if this is really true. But if true, it makes sense to me as this is how the Illuminati operate (dialectic). Then again, it could be just a planted story. Also, if true it does not necessarily follow that Trump is aware of this conspiracy; it could be that he is being used. Whatever it is, it is very interesting.

“Trump Has Already Been Chosen Two Years Ago” (http://z3news.com/w/trump-chosen-two-years-ago/)

Article by Joanie Stahl, April 28, 2016, Z3News (http://z3news.com/w/trump-chosen-two-years-ago/)

At the first of the month in January 2016, while I sat at the front desk at the private club where I worked, a prominent political figure came in for a private meeting. Many guests of the club are congressmen and senators. It is basically a Republican elitist club.

On that night, a secret service agent came to the front desk and stood there the entire time. The prominent political official who was at the time Speaker of the House came in for a meeting. This is typical procedure. Normally, there are no real conversations between the secret service and myself or others. They are friendly, but distant and professional, which is to be expected.

But on that night this secret service agent who stood at my desk began talking to me. I was a little nervous because it was not typical. He began by asking me, “So who do you think will be the next president?”

I felt a sense of being cautious about this, but I answered, “I am not sure, but I think it will be Trump.”

He answered, “Oh it will be Trump. He has already been chosen. He was chosen two years ago. We all know it.”

I sat there feeling nervous and not knowing exactly what was happening. And why he would be even talking to me, especially about this in the way he answered. So I felt that there was an open door, so I decided to start asking him questions. Why not? If he did not want to answer then that was that. So I asked him, “So let me ask you a question. What about this Jade Helm 15 that went on all last year?”

He responded, “What do you think it is?”

I already knew the answer, but I wanted to approach lightly, so I replied ever so cautiously, “I don’t know. What we lowly people are being told is that it was just a military drill for perhaps civilian control.”

He said, “You’re right. It is for civilian control.”

I asked him, “Is there going to be martial law?”

He quickly answered back, “Yes there is going to be martial law, and that is exactly what Jade Helm is for.” He then went on. “You see Donald Trump was chosen to be the next president because of his immigration reform. When he is elected into office, the first thing he is going to do is do a massive immigration sweep, which will cause massive civil problems. And this will be when martial law will be initiated, but not everywhere. Only in areas where it will be needed at first.”

My questions were simple because I did not want to let him know what I knew, at first anyway. At times I let him know I did know some things in order to see how far he would go. In fact, the more I shared with him the things I knew, the more he grew serious and opened up.

Then he said, “Iran is getting ready to blow the hell out of Israel.”

I then moved on and wanted to ask him more because I did not know how much time I had or how long this window would be open. So I said, “Okay, so let me ask you another question. What about the coming economic collapse?”

He answered with a strong overt reply, “There is not going to be an economic collapse. There is going to be an economic catastrophe!”

I said, “Really? Is it really going to be that bad?”

He said, “Yes, it is going to much worse that anybody can imagine. No one is ready for what is coming. In fact it is going to be so bad there is really no way anybody is going to be able to prepare. Are you preparing? It might be wise for you to do so.”

I said, “For how long? Weeks, months?”

He answered, “Months.”

I asked him, “Are you preparing?”

He smiled, but didn’t answer at first. Then he finished our conversation by saying, “I am single, I don’t need to prepare. Plus, I am getting out of this country and transferring to Europe.”

He was serious, dead serious. Then he had to go. I never saw him again and I no longer work at that place. I believe I was there to see the things I did, and to hear what God wanted me to hear. God knows who will be our next president. This we know for sure. And we will shortly see. But it was an interesting conversation, so I thought it worth sharing.

Author: Joanie Stahl

As a young Jewish girl, Joanie Stahl received Jesus as her Messiah and soon began receiving dreams and visions of world events. At first these gifts scared her, so she asked for them to cease. Instead, they increased and she surrendered her will to His. By spending much time alone with the Lord she learned how to be guided by Him and to wait on Him for interpretation.

Today, Joanie is a wife and mother. She believes the time has come for the “Bride to make herself ready,” which is why she now feels released to share her dreams and visions received during the past 40 years as warnings of things that will soon take place.

[Calz]

Breaking: Kasich to Exit Race

Trump unofficially GOP nominee

Kit Daniels - May 4, 2016

John Kasich is exiting the GOP race, according to his senior campaign manager.

Trump’s last remaining competitor was scheduled to speak in Sterling, Virginia, but after Ted Cruz dropped out of the race, Kasich decided to hold a press conference in Columbus, Ohio, fueling speculation

This story is developing.


http://www.infowars.com/breaking-kasich-to-exit-race/

[Calz]

Piers Morgan: Trump Slaying D.C. Elite, Hillary Shaking “In Her Goldman Sachs-Financed Boots”

Trump has "electrified U.S. politics in a way nobody has ever seen," Morgan says

Kit Daniels - May 4, 2016


Donald Trump has “torn apart the lazy, arrogant, detached Washington elite in America” and has “left Hillary Clinton quaking in her Goldman Sachs-financed boots,” according to Piers Morgan.

The left-wing British journalist seems to be warming up to Trump, stating the maverick mogul has “electrified U.S. politics in a way nobody has ever seen.”



“He’s been very tough on the key issues about which many millions of Americans crave toughness from their current leaders but don’t feel they’re getting it: immigration, terrorism, jobs and China,” Morgan penned in an op/ed. “Trump hasn’t mucked about, he’s gone straight for the rhetoric jugular; screaming for his Wall to stop illegal Mexicans entering the country, a short-term Muslim ban ‘to figure out what’s going on’ with Islamic fundamentalists, a ‘devastating’ blitz to ‘wipe out’ ISIS, and new trade deals to stop China’s ‘rape’ of the U.S. economy and labor markets.”




“His messages are short, simple, explosive and eye-catching. That, whatever your view of his comments, is good politics.”

Trump also completely dominated both the mainstream media and social media, Morgan pointed out.


“I loved Trump’s tweets long before he ran for president because they were so outrageous, amusing and provocative,” he said. “I assumed he’d tone them down once he entered the race, but if anything he’s been even more controversial.”

“With nearly eight million followers now, Trump’s got the perfect platform to vent his wrath, humour and political beliefs.”

But here’s the most interesting takeaway from Piers Morgan’s op/ed: while he and other like-minded liberals have their differences from Trump, they’re also distancing themselves from the cult-like social justice warriors who assault Trump supporters, damage cars, block highway traffic and tear down barricades to try and prevent Trump from speaking, all while claiming the GOP frontrunner is a “fascist.”

Trump’s biggest endorsement to date isn’t a politician or a celebrity: it’s the fact his most vehement opposition are communists, social justice warriors and other authoritarians.


http://www.infowars.com/piers-morgan-trump-slaying-d-c-elite-hillary-shaking-in-her-goldman-sachs-financed-boots/


(note Morgan has openly defied AJones regarding gun rights ... keep that in mind)

[turiya]

Was Trump already selected two years ago?

I don't know if this is really true. But if true, it makes sense to me as this is how the Illuminati operate (dialectic). Then again, it could be just a planted story. Also, if true it does not necessarily follow that Trump is aware of this conspiracy; it could be that he is being used. Whatever it is, it is very interesting.

“Trump Has Already Been Chosen Two Years Ago” (http://z3news.com/w/trump-chosen-two-years-ago/)

Article by Joanie Stahl, April 28, 2016, Z3News (http://z3news.com/w/trump-chosen-two-years-ago/)

Author: Joanie Stahl

As a young Jewish girl, Joanie Stahl received Jesus as her Messiah and soon began receiving dreams and visions of world events. At first these gifts scared her, so she asked for them to cease. Instead, they increased and she surrendered her will to His. By spending much time alone with the Lord she learned how to be guided by Him and to wait on Him for interpretation.

Today, Joanie is a wife and mother. She believes the time has come for the “Bride to make herself ready,” which is why she now feels released to share her dreams and visions received during the past 40 years as warnings of things that will soon take place[/I].

Thanks Truman.
I hadn't heard of this one before.
There's quite a number of Christian End-Times Prophecy characters out there pushing this stuff.
First time I've heard that Donald Trump has been previously selected.

I'm not a Christian.
My name for the Source of 'all that is' is Existence.
Existence provides for a balance to be found within itself.

With that said, I personally think that Existence provides us with everything that is needed and necessary. Trusting in Existence is what its all about.

If you don't trust, then this will lead to distrust... distrust of oneself & everyone else around themselves. Without trusting in Existence, then certainly one will obviously tend to believe that they don't have enough, they are lacking, and they will need to prepare for the onslaught of a crashing monetary system, the absence of a food source, people will be at each others' throats, and the prison walls will be closing in all around for the people of this planet.

Dwelling within such a mindset, this will obviously create a whole lot of tension within oneself... and for others in close proximity. And just perhaps, this is a phase that some / most people need to go through, before they truly start to trust themselves, and trust the people around them. Just perhaps, there are many people that need to go to the extremes of this kind of scenario - going right up to the gates of hell, in order to process all their built-up negativity, going through the whole gambit of the worst case scenario. Very possibly, its needed to be done before one can come through it and get to the other side of it. This may be just what they are here to experience, in order to see that we are all in the same boat, that we are not so separate from existence, not so separate from each other, but we're all really a part of the whole of existence.

Like I said, Existence provides for precisely what is needed.
And I tend to think that Donald Trump (whether he knows it or not) is an individual that is being placed in a position for what is precisely needed. He's got a very strong personality, and disposition. His expertise is business. And he says he's very good at this. From my view I would tend to agree.

So, even if Trump plays out the End-Times role that Joanie Stahl is promoting, then just perhaps its exactly what is needed. Although, I would strongly disagree with her forecast. These End-Times Prophecy junkies... well, alot of them have been wrong. But then again, she is there to, perhaps, lead herself & others down the road they need to go to learn for themselves about what 'Trust' really is all about. Its only by deeply going through 'doubt', doubting everything around them, before they can arrive at deep trust of this Existence.

nuff said...


_________________________Late Add_________________________

While further researching interviews of Joanie Stahl, I stumbled across another Christian that had an opposing vision involving Trump being chosen by God... I'm sure there are alot more of these so-called Prophetic Visions that would be on both sides of the aisle with this:
Trump Chosen by God to Stop America's Destruction (https://youtu.be/tqwFWD_Htfo)

[Bluegreen]

Thanks turiya for the reminder. I remember when Robert Kennedy was running for President; I have not seen the public so galvanized or genuinely excited since. Those few weeks were a fun time to be alive.
It has been reported by gripreaper and others on this website and others about the United States Of America Corporation's bankruptcy. Perhaps the Rockefellers are allowing Trump into the elections for his expertise on bankruptcy. After all, they don't care who wins.

[Mike]

Boy..

Ive skimmed the thread and I keep seeing Trump's name associated with "honesty", "telling it like" it is etc

This man is a race baiting, xenophobic, serial liar. He's a petulant child. A maniacal egotist. He's the most thin skinned man ive ever seen! He talked about his penis size at one of the debates..

We're talking about a reality tv star here...

Sheesh..

I dunno...maybe we deserve him (see: america is really dumb thread)

Dont get me wrong,.ive.enjoyed him for the entertainment value. And as Calz pointed out in the op, he has said the type of controversial things us "conspiracy theorists" have wet dreams over...but guys...SERIOUSLY NOW...

SERIOUSLY...

C'mon. Whats next?...Larry the cable.guy for VP???

:facepalm:

[Carmody]

Bernie would make an excellent running mate choice.

[ljwheat]

Boy..

Ive skimmed the thread and I keep seeing Trump's name associated with "honesty", "telling it like" it is etc

This man is a race baiting, xenophobic, serial liar. He's a petulant child. A maniacal egotist. He's the most thin skinned man ive ever seen! He talked about his penis size at one of the debates..

We're talking about a reality tv star here...

Sheesh..

I dunno...maybe we deserve him (see: america is really dumb thread)

Dont get me wrong,.ive.enjoyed him for the entertainment value. And as Calz pointed out in the op, he has said the type of controversial things us "conspiracy theorists" have wet dreams over...but guys...SERIOUSLY NOW...

SERIOUSLY...

C'mon. Whats next?...Larry the cable.guy for VP???

:facepalm:

I see you have skimmed this thread, am interested in were or what your skimming to get your information on the digs on Mr. Trump? As a Veit Nahm vet, I have not seen the american people stand up for a man and do there home work on his qualification to lead since the Ronald Ragon era. This man is the only one running that is going up against the globalist living in our country who want to take all that we have fought for the last 200 years.

Thank God this country was not built on drive by opinions, like roadside protesters who's only job is to put down what they have been told by the people who get paid to do so on the boob tub. Coming home from Veit Nahm i felt first hand what your throwing at Trump We were hatted and spat at allot worse than your statement here. I took a oath to protect this country against enemy's foreign domestic. All though, i have laid down my rifle, i use my first amendment right to vote against the New world order attacking this country with the office of this country to a man that will stand up to it.

And also fraught for your First amendment right so your opinion here or on the streets of this country, please do your home work here, skimming threw your job at work will not keep you employed, MHO at this time in history, not taking our freedom serious is our last chance to keep it.

I for one do not want to learn Spanish, chines, i fraught for the right to speak American. If i have taken your OP as just being a funny ,,,,, I apologize ,, LOL

[PurpleLama]

Bernie would make an excellent running mate choice.

I've had that same thought.

[Calz]

Bernie would make an excellent running mate choice.

I've had that same thought.


.... as well.

[Mike]

Boy..

Ive skimmed the thread and I keep seeing Trump's name associated with "honesty", "telling it like" it is etc

This man is a race baiting, xenophobic, serial liar. He's a petulant child. A maniacal egotist. He's the most thin skinned man ive ever seen! He talked about his penis size at one of the debates..

We're talking about a reality tv star here...

Sheesh..

I dunno...maybe we deserve him (see: america is really dumb thread)

Dont get me wrong,.ive.enjoyed him for the entertainment value. And as Calz pointed out in the op, he has said the type of controversial things us "conspiracy theorists" have wet dreams over...but guys...SERIOUSLY NOW...

SERIOUSLY...

C'mon. Whats next?...Larry the cable.guy for VP???

:facepalm:

I see you have skimmed this thread, am interested in were or what your skimming to get your information on the digs on Mr. Trump? As a Veit Nahm vet, I have not seen the american people stand up for a man and do there home work on his qualification to lead since the Ronald Ragon era. This man is the only one running that is going up against the globalist living in our country who want to take all that we have fought for the last 200 years.

Thank God this country was not built on drive by opinions, like roadside protesters who's only job is to put down what they have been told by the people who get paid to do so on the boob tub. Coming home from Veit Nahm i felt first hand what your throwing at Trump We were hatted and spat at allot worse than your statement here. I took a oath to protect this country against enemy's foreign domestic. All though, i have laid down my rifle, i use my first amendment right to vote against the New world order attacking this country with the office of this country to a man that will stand up to it.

And also fraught for your First amendment right so your opinion here or on the streets of this country, please do your home work here, skimming threw your job at work will not keep you employed, MHO at this time in history, not taking our freedom serious is our last chance to keep it.

I for one do not want to learn Spanish, chines, i fraught for the right to speak American. If i have taken your OP as just being a funny ,,,,, I apologize ,, LOL


ljwheat, firstly, i appreciate your service. thank you. it was a remarkably brave thing to do.

its true, i did skim the thread. but i dont get all my Trump info from Avalon:). everything that is wrong with this guy can be clearly seen in just about any interview, debate, or magazine article he's involved with.

youre right, the American people are rallying behind Trump. thats undeniable (and frightening), but it doesnt really mean anything. the people of Germany rallied behind Hitler too.

homework? oh boy...well, here's a little bit for ya. just the tip of the iceberg too. here's Donald, "telling it like it is":facepalm:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien




this is worth watching too. its comedy, but there are some profound points in here.
DnpO_RTSNmQ


look, i try not to play politics. i'm not commenting here as a Hillary supporter...cuz i'm not. it's all much more complex than that...everyone here knows that. but i think the difference between the 2 might be a complete and total implosion vs a country in critical condition..but a stable critical condition

[Arcturian108]

Sorcha Faal is probably an invented name used by a member of the cointelpro arm of the C.I.A. Look it up.
While the article presented is fascinating, it is likely full of errors laced with some truth.

[Mike]

Sorcha Faal is probably an invented name used by a member of the cointelpro arm of the C.I.A. Look it up.
While the article presented is fascinating, it is likely full of errors laced with some truth.

It's true. It is.

But what article are you referring to?

[avid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY

If the violin emotive-music is removed, it would be more feasible. Such a whirlwind of hype these days. However, surely 'Killary' is now discounted? As a European observer, this is as farcical as David Cameron's 'truth/sooth-sayings' in our local MSM.
I'll be glad when all this is over and done with, folk suddenly realise they are living a giant lie, and we don't say "we told you so", but are supportive.

[Calz]

look, i try not to play politics. i'm not commenting here as a Hillary supporter...cuz i'm not. it's all much more complex than that...everyone here knows that. but i think the difference between the 2 might be a complete and total implosion vs a country in critical condition..but a stable critical condition




Here is that hand that we appear to have been dealt.



1) Hillary NWO elite pick ... take your chip ... die.

2) Trump ... ????

3) OBummer ... no election ... WW3 ... total chaos.



I know which of the three I prefer and will vote as such should I be given the opportunity.

[avid]

Calz, I would like to point out that the MIC backs Killary, and WWlll would be her option, indeed, she'd rake in the backhanders (probably) ahem.... Salt and vinegar on your chips? 😉

[Calz]

Exclusive: Koch-Soros Insiders Attempt to Take Over Trump Campaign

Establishment in last ditch effort to co-opt New York billionaire

Paul Joseph Watson - May 5, 2016


A major effort is underway to co-opt the Donald Trump campaign by infiltrating it with Koch brothers/George Soros-linked operatives, inside sources have exclusively told Infowars.com.

Yesterday it was revealed that Steven Mnuchin would become the Trump campaign’s national finance chair. Mnuchin was an Investment Professional with Soros Fund Management LLC and spent 17 years at Goldman Sachs. He also has innumerable other affiliations with establishment financial institutions and corporations.

However, the appointment was engineered by Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, who himself has close ties with and has worked for the Koch brothers, having overseen the New Hampshire chapter of Americans for Prosperity, the advocacy group founded by the Koch brothers.

Although Lewandowski is not directly responsible for the infiltration, he is being used as a dupe by Mnuchin and others as part of a move to either take control of the Trump campaign or contrive a media narrative that Trump has sold out to the establishment.

Any sign that Trump is dispensing with his outsider persona to cozy up to elitists will infuriate the New York billionaire’s base and derail his campaign.

Trump himself was likely unaware of Mnuchin’s background, according to our sources.

The effort to infiltrate the Trump campaign with establishment insiders kicked into high gear shortly after Trump gave his recent foreign policy speech in which he asserted, “We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism.”

This alarmed globalists at the ultra-elite Council on Foreign Relations, most notably CFR president Richard Haass. Trump met with Haass back in March but despite the New York billionaire telling MSNBC about his “respect” for Haass, the two had major disagreements, according to our sources.

An investigation as to why Mnuchin was appointed is now underway and there is set to be a major shake-up within the Trump campaign starting today.

Alex Jones also spoke directly to multiple inside sources who confirmed the story.

We will update this story with more information as it becomes available.


http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-koch-soros-insiders-attempt-to-take-over-trump-campaign/

[Mike]

look, i try not to play politics. i'm not commenting here as a Hillary supporter...cuz i'm not. it's all much more complex than that...everyone here knows that. but i think the difference between the 2 might be a complete and total implosion vs a country in critical condition..but a stable critical condition




Here is that hand that we appear to have been dealt.



1) Hillary NWO elite pick ... take your chip ... die.

2) Trump ... ????

3) OBummer ... no election ... WW3 ... total chaos.



I know which of the three I prefer and will vote as such should I be given the opportunity.



Why wouldnt you be given the opportunity?:)

It's basically a choice between a lunatic and a passive aggressive lunatic...(trump, hillary).

Im not sure if I can find the energy to wait in line for that.

I dunno...at least Hillary pretends to be sane...doesnt that count for something Calzy?;)

Frankly, the right frightens me. I prefer the lunatics on the left.

Besides, how do we know Trump isnt the NWo's choice? Maybe he's the chip guy. Who knows, right?

Maybe in the end it doesnt really matter...but I still find the support this man enjoys to be shockingly disturbing. Yup, we only have a couple poor choices..but ultimately the blame is ours as individuals and as a nation. In a way, our apathy has created Trump. Now our creation is coming back to haunt us

[Calz]

3) OBummer ... no election ... WW3 ... total chaos.

I know which of the three I prefer and will vote as such should I be given the opportunity.



Why wouldnt you be given the opportunity?:)




You know how much I luv ya man .... but I ain't buying it.

Been wrong before .... but I don't think so this time.

[Baby Steps]

The biggest deal about Mr T is he his anti war
That flies in the face of the NWO agenda- its diametrically opposed to the direction we are being steered

Mr T knows that Presidents get killed for opposing wars- so he is not just a narcissist who fancies sitting in the most important office on the planet.
He is in service to the human race.

Hillary is provably the most war-mongering politician since Bush Junior.

Listen to what Hillary says- she is a master of sounding progressive while avoiding specifics-except very minor tweaks to the system that will make a tiny difference.
On Hillary's watch Libya has been destroyed, arms have then been shipped from there to Syria, where agents provocateurs probably including CIA, have set off violence at peaceful demos, and destabilised a weak Syria.
USA resources and weapons have provably been provided to al queda in Syria, maybe Iraq (according to Iraqis)
Victoria Nuland has funded the destabilisation of Ukraine, leading to predictable violent Russian reactions.
The agenda She serves is written in the list of contributors to the Clinton Foundation.
On her watch Isreal has continued genocide under USA protection.
On her watch, drone killings have continued in Pakistan, apparently they are trying to destabilise the third largest nuclear state on the planet according to some, and this may be to prevent pipelines from Iran to China.

Sorry but that woman is TERRIFYING because she can do all this and people cannot see the evil!
I pray that people do not put her in.

[turiya]

Boy..

This man is a race baiting, xenophobic, serial liar. He's a petulant child. A maniacal egotist. He's the most thin skinned man ive ever seen! He talked about his penis size at one of the debates..

We're talking about a reality tv star here...

Sheesh..

...he has said the type of controversial things us "conspiracy theorists" have wet dreams over...but guys...SERIOUSLY NOW...

SERIOUSLY...

:facepalm:

If you've been really paying attention, every time somebody's come across to point out Trump's negative qualities as a candidate, his ratings have kept on soaring upwards.

Donald Trump Wins Republican Nomination! Cruz and Kasich Drop Out!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVwz1YD4rwU

[Cidersomerset]

just looking at some articles from RT .......

Trump-pede? Cruz and Kasich drop out of US presidential race

_7bTHhby8NE

Published on 4 May 2016

Ohio Governor John Kasich is suspending his campaign for president, leaving
Donald Trump as the presumptive Republican nominee. Texas Senator Ted Cruz
dropped out Tuesday night, following Trump’s triumph in the Indiana primary.
Read MORE: http://on.rt.com/7bs4

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This is an interesting discussion....

CrossTalk on Trump and Clinton: Realist vs. Hawk?

3wU1fv9ShDc

Published on 4 May 2016

On this edition of CrossTalk we ask some simple questions: What kind of foreign
policy would Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump pursue as president – would that
foreign policy be good for the world and the United States – or are they two sides
of the same exceptionalist coin?
CrossTalking with Stephen Schlesinger, Ray McGovern, and Jeffrey Tayler.

[Matisse]

Come on.....we don,t want Hillary----Trump isn,t an option....come on california and vote Bernie Sanders..... the only half sane option,.....

[KiwiElf]

Being an "outsider" I'm not so savvy about US politics, but can't the existing POTUS veto a candidate, irrespective of the votes? (and I think I'm safe in saying they're rigged, anyway...!) ;)

And if that's true, Obama has publicly stated on a TV interview way back that, "Trump isn't going to be the next POTUS".

[turiya]

Being an "outsider" I'm not so savvy about US politics, but can't the existing POTUS veto a candidate, irrespective of the votes? (and I think I'm safe in saying they're rigged, anyway...!) ;)

And if that's true, Obama has publicly stated on a TV interview way back that, "Trump isn't going to be the next POTUS".

The POTUS cannot veto another elected president. But what he could do is declare Martial Law / State of Emergency and suspend the U.S. Constitution / the election process & then remain in office as a kind of dictator.

[turiya]

Bernie would make an excellent running mate choice.

Bernie as VP to the Donald - its like trying to mix together water & oil, imo.

mmmm... mixing Socialism with Capitalism doesn't make any sense in my book. In fact, this is pretty much what we got today, and its been a kind of slow death in how its been slowly breaking the back of America - i.e. extinction of the working middle class.

[Chester]

look, i try not to play politics. i'm not commenting here as a Hillary supporter...cuz i'm not. it's all much more complex than that...everyone here knows that. but i think the difference between the 2 might be a complete and total implosion vs a country in critical condition..but a stable critical condition




Here is that hand that we appear to have been dealt.



1) Hillary NWO elite pick ... take your chip ... die.

2) Trump ... ????

3) OBummer ... no election ... WW3 ... total chaos.



I know which of the three I prefer and will vote as such should I be given the opportunity.

My opinion - (who am I to even have one? a nobody) but still, I like to post it anyways.

To wish for Trump to win is a 100% no brainer. Why? Because no matter what he might do (which is quite unpredictable) it is impossible... impossible for him to make things any worse than they are or any worse than they would be if another "card carrying club member" politician gets in.

Impossible.

[KiwiElf]

Your opinion is as much valued as anyone elses Sam ;). I certainly hope (pray?) things don't get any worse, for any of us!

[Chester]

I can narrow down who will be VP. I cannot put the few names on a list but I can guarantee you what will NOT be a trait of that candidate.

The candidate will NOT be attractive to any factions who also happen to have friends that can make that "one heartbeat away" thing happen...

and that eliminates most of the politicians and probably most everyone else also except nobodies like me and a probably most readers of this forum.

[gripreaper]

But what he could do is declare Martial Law / State of Emergency and suspend the U.S. Constitution / the election process & then remain in office as a kind of dictator.

The bankrupt corporate UNITED STATES is under a military state of emergency, and has been since 1861, with the constitution suspended and corporate codes and regulations put in it's place. We, as chattel for the bankruptcy, have no say in who the new corporate administrator is going to be.

The employees and agents of any corporation do not get to make that choice, no matter what the side show illusion we are fed is and how many people buy the illusion.

Too few people actually know the true history of the United States and what the implications are for our freedom and liberty. We are indentured slaves, chattel for the bankruptcy, surety for the debt, and not part of the board of directors of the corporation, but just mere agents and employees.

That is a fact.

[thunder24]

Laissez-faire philosophies, such as minimizing the role of government intervention and taxation in the free markets, and the idea that an "invisible hand" guides supply and demand are among the key ideas Smith's writing is responsible for promoting. These ideas reflect the concept that each person, by looking out for him or herself, inadvertently helps to create the best outcome for all. "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest," Smith wrote.


By selling products that people want to buy, the butcher, brewer and baker hope to make money. If they are effective in meeting the needs of their customers, they will enjoy the financial rewards. While they are engaging in their enterprises for the purpose of earning money, they are also providing products that people want. Such a system, Smith argued, creates wealth not just for the butcher, brewer and baker, but for the nation as a whole when that nation is populated with citizens working productively to better themselves and address their financial needs. Similarly, Smith noted that a man would invest his wealth in the enterprise most likely to help him earn the highest return for a given risk level.

Read more: Adam Smith: The Father Of Economics | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/adam-smith-economics.asp#ixzz47qaZpfwl
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I see nothing wrong with this when taken on a community by community basis... this does not mean that social welfare is not needed, on the contrary , social welfare is intrigal to this philosphy in my mind, for if you can not take care of those around you, then you are not looking out for oneself... this does not mean equality on a financial basis but an equality on the means to live within ones given cultural norms... and those norms must be and always be based on food, clothes, shelter, water and meaning in ones life.... There is a synthesis to be had.... this is not the ultimate goal based on the quote above but a bench mark to move forward.... of course all opinion

[turiya]

But what he could do is declare Martial Law / State of Emergency and suspend the U.S. Constitution / the election process & then remain in office as a kind of dictator.

The bankrupt corporate UNITED STATES is under a military state of emergency, and has been since 1861, with the constitution suspended and corporate codes and regulations put in it's place. We, as chattel for the bankruptcy, have no say in who the new corporate administrator is going to be.

The employees and agents of any corporation do not get to make that choice, no matter what the side show illusion we are fed is and how many people buy the illusion.

Too few people actually know the true history of the United States and what the implications are for our freedom and liberty. We are indentured slaves, chattel for the bankruptcy, surety for the debt, and not part of the board of directors of the corporation, but just mere agents and employees.

That is a fact.

I agree.
Just speaking relatively to the level of understanding that the question has been asked. As far as the de jure Constitutionality of government, the Constitution is what binds a so-called 'President' of that original form of government & what he is limited to. Of course, bringing up the notion / reality of the situation (which you have) - that this de facto form of government is entirely a corporate entity. If this 'fact' is to be brought up initially, then most would think one would be talking 'Conspiracy Theory'. And then, of course, what one is saying is quite quickly & promptly dismissed. KiwiElf is not an American, so not to lose him, I stuck to what the Constitution restricts the POTUS and what he is limited to.

Consider it a lead-in to the truth of the situation that has prompted you to respond. Thank you for getting involved with the conversation. Yes, the U.S. is a corporation. However, that original de jure form of a Constitutional Republic has not been entirely exterminated, as it still lay in the woodwork, and at the very foundation when the creation of this nation occurred, imo. I sense that a Trump presidency can ignite a spark that is needed to lead to a regeneration of the Constitutional Republic to be appropriately resurrected.

cheers

[turiya]

Trump is no globalist, he is, for the 1st time in a long time, a 'nationalist' presidential candidate. I love the notion of the "Hillary for Prison" t-shirts.


Roger Stone: Trump Will Not Hesitate To Destroy Hillary


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo2A55_ODsU

[Wind]

Anything is better than Hillary as a president, she is literally insane and a warmongerer who sees WWIII as an option.
When it comes to the presidents of USA, I think the last decent one was JFK, but then the powers of corruption took over.

[gripreaper]

Consider it a lead-in to the truth of the situation that has prompted you to respond. Thank you for getting involved with the conversation. Yes, the U.S. is a corporation. However, that original de jure form of a Constitutional Republic has not been entirely exterminated, as it still lay in the woodwork, and at the very foundation when the creation of this nation occurred, imo. I sense that a Trump presidency can ignite a spark that is needed to lead to a regeneration of the Constitutional Republic to be appropriately resurrected.

I'm not quite sure what Trump might resurrect, but I doubt it will be a de jure government like we almost had in the mid 1700's when we tried to break away from the European monarchs. I've seen several "Restore the Repuublic" movements in the last few decades which have failed, due to infiltration, marginalization, and disorientation. I'm not convinced that a group of white slave owning european monarch freemasons put together such a representative Republic of which the Constitution appears to be representative of.

What I am sure of, is that the unfettered spirit of man longs to be free, and that those who wanted freedom bad enough have stood up against tyranny, or just left to another continent where there was no tyranny to control them. Now, there is nowhere else to sail off to, and we live in the digital age. We have the opportunity to wake up and embrace freedom, but slavery is so invasive, so ambiguous, and so comfortable, that some people will fight to defend it, even against their own loved ones. It's quite the dichotomy.

Trump is part of the elite inner circle, and I believe was hired to act as the counter dialectic, so that in the 11th hour, he would do something really stupid and shoe in Hitlery. Either way, the controlling elite get what they want and the sheep continue to remain asleep. Watch out for the divergents though, they have been known to change history.

[turiya]

Consider it a lead-in to the truth of the situation that has prompted you to respond. Thank you for getting involved with the conversation. Yes, the U.S. is a corporation. However, that original de jure form of a Constitutional Republic has not been entirely exterminated, as it still lay in the woodwork, and at the very foundation when the creation of this nation occurred, imo. I sense that a Trump presidency can ignite a spark that is needed to lead to a regeneration of the Constitutional Republic to be appropriately resurrected.

I'm not quite sure what Trump might resurrect, but I doubt it will be a de jure government like we almost had in the mid 1700's when we tried to break away from the European monarchs. I've seen several "Restore the Repuublic" movements in the last few decades which have failed, due to infiltration, marginalization, and disorientation. I'm not convinced that a group of white slave owning european monarch freemasons put together such a representative Republic of which the Constitution appears to be representative of.

What I am sure of, is that the unfettered spirit of man longs to be free, and that those who wanted freedom bad enough have stood up against tyranny, or just left to another continent where there was no tyranny to control them. Now, there is nowhere else to sail off to, and we live in the digital age. We have the opportunity to wake up and embrace freedom, but slavery is so invasive, so ambiguous, and so comfortable, that some people will fight to defend it, even against their own loved ones. It's quite the dichotomy.

Trump is part of the elite inner circle, and I believe was hired to act as the counter dialectic, so that in the 11th hour, he would do something really stupid and shoe in Hitlery. Either way, the controlling elite get what they want and the sheep continue to remain asleep. Watch out for the divergents though, they have been known to change history.

I do not agree with your assertion that Trump is a part of the inner-circle-global elite that has hired him / paid him - LOL! - to throw the election. My Higher Self, which I have grown to trust implicitly, says there is "No-Way José!" for Trump to be doing such a thing. I might ask, just 'Who' would hire Trump to work at playing this kind of scenario out??? (Oh, of course it would be the "Crooked Hillary" Clinton billionaire supporter named George Soros! That would fit in with your scenario, obviously.) How much would be enough to pay him to do this kind of work??? Say What!?!? - he's not making enough with his real estate empire???

Yes, I have heard this particular kind of worrying 'Doubting Thomas' talk before - about Trump throwing in the towel before the election & allowing Hitlery easy access to the Oval Office. And I see where you get this from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCOFckFFgaQ#t=3m17s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCOFckFFgaQ#t=3m17s) - (2015 History Channel clip 3:18 minutes in)

There was a previous time that I questioned Trumps veracity - back in 2012 when Trump publicly questioned Obama's Birth Certificate, forcing Obama to post a document on the WH website, and right after the Long-form pdf document was posted, and rather quickly, it was found to be fraudulent. I had then also questioned as to why Trump didn't pursue the matter any further?

I understand that Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has talked with Trump on a number of occasions since then. Arpaio has never before endorsed a presidential candidate, but has this first time given his endorsement to Trump!


http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZsbIKNWAAEhcUd.jpg:large

I also had my doubts about his ability to throw this nation deeper into a fascist regime (being a global corporate businessman). But when I found that all these career establishment politicians were getting quite upset with him, I began checking into what he was about. And I came to find he is more like a Ron Paul on steroids, than anything else. The establishment GOP honchos very early-on (Iowa Straw Poll) quickly politically assassinated Ron Paul, as they didn't want him to be in their way. As they have also tried to do the same with Trump, but failed to do so, up til now. The more I looked at what he was saying & how ticked off people were getting, I soon realized that this man is not just another idiot wanting to be president. Idiots - That's all I've seen up until now, before Trump came into my view. After having seen this with my own eyes & ears, I immediately registered to vote - something I hadn't done since Robert Kennedy was assassinated.

So for this time around, I have a different sense about the man. I certainly don't think he can do much about resurrecting or implementing a viable Constitutional Republic with the time frame that he will have - but as I stated previously, I sense that with his ability to gain the position of president, he can generate a spark amongst the people of this nation to take to task to make, what was believed to be accomplished 200 + years ago, a reality.



...Like a Ron Paul on Steroids


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTbkbH3x7LQ

[TrumanCash]

Gripreaper mentioned "counter dialectic" above in his post which it appears to be represented in this Reuters/Ipsos poll (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-06/americans-admit-top-reason-vote-trump-stop-clinton). IMO, it reveals how well-honed and fine-tuned they have gotten at doing just that.

According to Joanie Stahl (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1065964&viewfull=1#post1065964), this has all been pre-planned. If Trump were selected president he may start rounding up illegals which could create considerable chaos leading possibly to martial law wherein everyone would be issued a national ID card (to prevent being rounded up) or an easy-to-carry chip under the skin, or......

At any rate with the populace so equally divided and so much hatred from either side, it is easy to see what may come of this brewing storm. Both sides in fear of the other side winning--I've not seen before in this lifetime. And if people are in fear they can be easily manipulated one way or the other.

Anyway, I'm going to shut up now and go out and plant a couple of trees and enjoy real living!

[turiya]

Gripreaper mentioned "counter dialectic" above in his post which it appears to be represented in this Reuters/Ipsos poll (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-06/americans-admit-top-reason-vote-trump-stop-clinton). IMO, it reveals how well-honed and fine-tuned they have gotten at doing just that.

According to Joanie Stahl (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1065964&viewfull=1#post1065964), this has all been pre-planned. If Trump were selected president he may start rounding up illegals which could create considerable chaos leading possibly to martial law wherein everyone would be issued a national ID card (to prevent being rounded up) or an easy-to-carry chip under the skin, or......

At any rate with the populace so equally divided and so much hatred from either side, it is easy to see what may come of this brewing storm. Both sides in fear of the other side winning--I've not seen before in this lifetime. And if people are in fear they can be easily manipulated one way or the other.

Anyway, I'm going to shut up now and go out and plant a couple of trees and enjoy real living!

Hello again, Truman.
I see that you have a kind of liking for Joanie Stahl and her prophetic visions.

You must have missed a response I made to your last post (See Post 451 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1066075&viewfull=1#post1066075)).

I'm also wondering if you had done a google search on other Christian End-Times prophecy visionists? Cuz there are a number of them out there having prophetic visions on both ends of that God / Devil / Trump spectrum. I posted an example of another visionary that saw things completely 180 degrees opposite to what Joanie Stahl has envisioned:

Trump Chosen by God To Stop America's Destruction - Astounding 2011 Prophecy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqwFWD_Htfo) [VIDEO]

[KiwiElf]

Weird - everywhere I go lately (Dairy's neighbours, friends, bars etc), people are often asking me what I think about Trump? (Why, I have no idea!). My usual response is, "he's waking a lot of people up", and they're generally in agreement irrespective of what they think of the Donald himself. Whatever is going down, I believe we're "getting what's coming", because collectively, we chose it. ;)

[turiya]

Trump is part of the elite inner circle, and I believe was hired to act as the counter dialectic, so that in the 11th hour, he would do something really stupid and shoe in Hitlery. Either way, the controlling elite get what they want and the sheep continue to remain asleep. Watch out for the divergents though, they have been known to change history.

And a late add to my previous response:
If anybody was part of that 'elite inner circle', more than likely it would have been Lyin' Ted Cruz, as he quite openly displays his true allegiance in photos taken when giving his 'pledge of allegiance' in various public venues.

More of Lyn' Ted's "Hidden Hand" photos found here (https://www.google.com/search?q=Ted+Cruz%27s+Illuminati+Allegiance+%26+Th e+Hidden+Hand&biw=1012&bih=620&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLnfSrh8jMAhULOiYKHU3NAYEQ_AUIBigB#imgr c=Q2c88d97H6S-SM%3A).


Ted Cruz's Illuminati Allegiance & The Hidden Hand


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2dNr1JtrsU

http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/5678489a1f0000c000e9c4c1.jpeg

[gripreaper]

Turiya, please forgive me, having entered this thread so late in the discussion. I am in total agreement with your sentiment, that collectively it is time to stand against tyranny and to support any leaders who would be willing to restore what semblance of liberty we allegedly had in the late 1700's when the Articles of Confederation were drafted and the 13 colonies agreed to work together for their common interests.

Just to be clear, anyone who makes it into the primaries is already selected. Nothing happens by accident, or is allowed to happen, which the elite controllers do not find in their best interest. Trump is no different. I see that you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this point, and then witness the outcomes moving forward. Also, just to be clear, my viewpoint is not influenced or aligned with any other group who may share this sentiment, such as the Christian right. I have no idea what any of them think, and I'm not watching or listening to anything having to do with this election.

I do not "register" to be part of the statutory slave system of rules, codes, and regulations, or believe that casting a vote does anything at all for any of the sentient souls on this planet. We do not get to have ANY say in who the elite choose to be their latest representative potus puppet administrator of their bankrupt corporation known as the UNITED STATES INC. Employees and agents do not get to say how the corporation is run.

What I hope this circus of an election does for the collective consciousness, is that people finally do realize that their vote does not count, that the electoral process is broken, that the way to change governance is not to give the government more draconian totalitarian power in alignment with the military industrial complex. My hope is that one day the military stands with the people and there is enough inertia to point the spotlight on the true interlopers of planet earth.

Voting will never do that.

[genevieve]

For a long time I've heard that the votes of U.S. citizens don't really matter because the electoral college has the final say and actually chooses the president.

I heard this recently: The reason for the above being true is that all voters are registered in D.C., which only accounts for 3 (three!) electoral college votes.


I used to vote, thinking I was maybe doing something good, but I de-registered and clarified my status to be an American National. As such, I'm no longer an employee of the corporate U.S. and have no say in its business--and vice versa. I wish a lot more people would wake up and quit supporting this wicked rigged system.


Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

[RunningDeer]

I never voted. I was gung-ho and prepared, but had strong feelings that the candidate(s) could/would not follow through on their promises, nor could I get behind a candidate that dogged on another.

It was only a couple of years ago that I came out ‘of the closet’ with family members. My stance was missed/dismissed. They parroted back “every vote counts” and “civic duty”.

[TrumanCash]

Gripreaper mentioned "counter dialectic" above in his post which it appears to be represented in this Reuters/Ipsos poll (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-06/americans-admit-top-reason-vote-trump-stop-clinton). IMO, it reveals how well-honed and fine-tuned they have gotten at doing just that.

According to Joanie Stahl (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1065964&viewfull=1#post1065964), this has all been pre-planned. If Trump were selected president he may start rounding up illegals which could create considerable chaos leading possibly to martial law wherein everyone would be issued a national ID card (to prevent being rounded up) or an easy-to-carry chip under the skin, or......

At any rate with the populace so equally divided and so much hatred from either side, it is easy to see what may come of this brewing storm. Both sides in fear of the other side winning--I've not seen before in this lifetime. And if people are in fear they can be easily manipulated one way or the other.

Anyway, I'm going to shut up now and go out and plant a couple of trees and enjoy real living!

Hello again, Truman.
I see that you have a kind of liking for Joanie Stahl and her prophetic visions.

TLC: You obviously are assuming way too much. I had no knowledge of Joanie Stahl's "prophetic visions". I don't personally know Joanie Stahl so how could I "like" her? I was referring to this article (http://z3news.com/w/trump-chosen-two-years-ago/) in which Joanie Stahl details a conversation she had with a secret service agent who told her these things. (http://z3news.com/w/trump-chosen-two-years-ago/)

You must have missed a response I made to your last post (See Post 451 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89046-Trump-...-dead-man-walking&p=1066075&viewfull=1#post1066075)).

TLC: No, I did not miss it. Your post was non sequitur because I was not saying anything about "End-Time prophecies". You changed the subject to something else. For the record and so you won't assume, I am not in the least interested in anyone's "End-Time prophecies".

I'm also wondering if you had done a google search on other Christian End-Times prophecy visionists? Cuz there are a number of them out there having prophetic visions on both ends of that God / Devil / Trump spectrum. I posted an example of another visionary that saw things completely 180 degrees opposite to what Joanie Stahl has envisioned:

Trump Chosen by God To Stop America's Destruction - Astounding 2011 Prophecy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqwFWD_Htfo) [VIDEO]

TLC: Please allow me to repeat--I am not interested in "End-Time prophecies" and that was NOT the subject of my post so please stop misrepresenting my posts.

The point I was making was that it does appear that Trump's immigration policies could actually play into the NWO's hands to impose a national ID card, possible martial law, cashless system, FEMA camps, chipping, etc, whether Trump is aware of that or not.

These things are not "prophecies". Aaron Russo was told these things by a Rockefeller family member (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3NA17CCboA).

So I am now going to return to really important things like turning some comfrey leaves into my compost pile.

[turiya]

TrumanCash

So sorry that your feathers were ruffled. Apologies.

The Joanie Stahl article that you linked to is posted on the website Z3News, (http://z3news.com/w/trump-chosen-two-years-ago/) which, by the way, it proclaims its subject matter at the very top of the page as follows: "End-Times News Before it Happens" Perhaps, you may have overlooked the logo. So, Why would I not infer the reason for posting her material as being End-Times Prophecy related?

So, I wouldn't exactly call it a "misrepresentation" of what had been posted.


The point I was making was that it does appear that Trump's immigration policies could actually play into the NWO's hands to impose a national ID card, possible martial law, cashless system, chipping, etc, whether Trump is aware of that or not.

Certainly, there is more than one side to any issue. I can respect your opinion as to where things might go.

Best regards

[TrumanCash]

Here is a recent interview of Larry Nichols' take on Trump and Hillary: http://usawatchdog.com/silent-coup-beginning-to-overtake-america-now-larry-nichols/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMfCjNuOfbU

[KiwiElf]

I'm being facetious, but if Trump really intends to "Do for America what he's done for Business", does that mean he will be the final nail in the coffin to bankrupt the US? ;)

*EDIT*
And on a seriously related side note, interesting to see that FOX (of all MSM) is now airing that a young Bulgarian guys claims to have done an "old school" hack on Hillary's server twice, claiming it was incredibly easy to accomplish & noticing at least 10 other IP addresses from all over the world looking at its content at the same time. When will they arrest her?????

[turiya]

Turiya, please forgive me, having entered this thread so late in the discussion. I am in total agreement with your sentiment, that collectively it is time to stand against tyranny and to support any leaders who would be willing to restore what semblance of liberty we allegedly had in the late 1700's when the Articles of Confederation were drafted and the 13 colonies agreed to work together for their common interests.

Just to be clear, anyone who makes it into the primaries is already selected. Nothing happens by accident, or is allowed to happen, which the elite controllers do not find in their best interest. Trump is no different. I see that you and I will just have to agree to disagree on this point, and then witness the outcomes moving forward. Also, just to be clear, my viewpoint is not influenced or aligned with any other group who may share this sentiment, such as the Christian right. I have no idea what any of them think, and I'm not watching or listening to anything having to do with this election.

I do not "register" to be part of the statutory slave system of rules, codes, and regulations, or believe that casting a vote does anything at all for any of the sentient souls on this planet. We do not get to have ANY say in who the elite choose to be their latest representative potus puppet administrator of their bankrupt corporation known as the UNITED STATES INC. Employees and agents do not get to say how the corporation is run.

What I hope this circus of an election does for the collective consciousness, is that people finally do realize that their vote does not count, that the electoral process is broken, that the way to change governance is not to give the government more draconian totalitarian power in alignment with the military industrial complex. My hope is that one day the military stands with the people and there is enough inertia to point the spotlight on the true interlopers of planet earth.

Voting will never do that.

Thank you for your reply.

Don't be so sure of yourself, grip. Seems that things are about to change big time. Yeah, I know, don't hold your breath... yada yada... But this has to do with the 43 trillion dollar lawsuit against the Federal Reserve, and the release of Collateral Accounts. Neil Keenan makes an announcement:

From: http://neilkeenan.com/neil-keenan-update-breaking-news-obama-out-cabal-surrender-currency-revaluation-in-progress/

NEIL KEENAN UPDATE | BREAKING NEWS:
Obama Out / Cabal Surrender / Currency Revaluation In Progress
May 5, 2016 / Keenan Team | GroupK / 66 Comments

Neil Keenan and Group K have been working for the last 72 hours on formatting the release of some incredibly important information relating to recent developments of historical importance.

In the coming day we will provide a full preface to this post, along with edited video. In the interim, we have uploaded unedited video regarding this breaking news. This interim measure is not in any way ideal – but these developments are too important and must be publicized ASAP.

We are intending that the edited video and preface including facts and figures will be uploaded and online by 7pm Eastern Standard Time on May the 5th.

Neil Keenan and The Keenan Team

Neil Keenan: "Be aware of some of the signs that Obama gave at the White House at the Correspondence Dinner, some of the things he said; basically he said "Good-bye!

I didn't pick it up, but then again, I didn't watch it.... He said he might be the last president. Dunford says he'll be the controller of the Republic now until the presidential elections. At that point in time Trump will be the president. Not anyone else. He's the only person that can put this Republic straight and get it back to us, the way we want it, and the way we need to have it with "We the People". He's made some mistakes. He's got some faults. We all do. I have a good share of my own....

We haven't had a government since 1871, is what I understand. When the bakers(?) were changed from a government to a corporation, you know - illegally. And we're still that today. So, we're going to change that back, from what I understand, when Trump becomes president. Or, maybe Mr. [General] Dunford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Dunford) can do that himself.

Okay, Mr Dunford I hope you can start initiating all those things to protect the people in our country, and other countries, as well. I know our military has been weakened. But the money that we're going to save by getting rid of Obama... Although, Obama is still going to be the 'front', I understand, for the time being. I don't think they're going to let him do too much... Maybe they will, now that I've opened my mouth & I told you about him.

I think that basically everything has to be completed. We need a change & once we get that change completed, then we're off & running. Then its our world, 'We the People.'

Take care and thank you to everyone." --Neil Keenan


Neil Keenan Update, Breaking News 5-5-16…
“Obama Out / Cabal Surrender / Currency Revaluation In Progress”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkz9Agi7VuQ
...some of this is a repeat...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1RC_byr_bc

[KiwiElf]

Dumpton? might be General Joseph Dunford ... but like Ben Fulford, I'll take the above as heresay for the moment ;)

[turiya]

Dumpton? might be General Joseph Dunford ... but like Ben Fulford, I'll take the above as heresay for the moment ;)

Yeah, I stopped paying attention to Fulford a while ago. But I did catch a Winston Shrout interview and in it he said things were about to change big time... Collateral Accounts & the restoration of the Republic. He said it was pretty close to happening. I will post the interviews (2 parts):


Winston Shrout / Galactic Connection Interview part 1 & 2


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRHpw4RqhEo
At 57:30: "The United States Inc. Has Been Taken Over & is in Receivership, and we Have a New Republic Form of Government in Operation in Washington DC at Present"--Winston Shrout
Announcements Will Soon Be Made



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRtQMYPFWLs
Collateral Accounts starts at 9:00 minutes...
Breaking the grip of the Rothschilds Cabal at 15:00
Getting Rid of Central Banks at 19:00
Keith Scott & the Soekarno Trust at 20:50
Treasury is Presently in Control of the Central Bank (Fed) at 26:25
Neil Keenan's Name Mentioned Briefly at 42:30

[gripreaper]

Seems that things are about to change big time. Yeah, I know, don't hold your breath..

I'm not holding mine. I've heard of the counter party initiatives for quite some time: NESARA, prosperity packages, St Germain Trust, Dragon Family wealth, BRIC alliance of nations, Restore the Republic, RuSA, De Jure nationals for peace, OPPT, common law grand juries, the "Event" is right around the corner, the RV of the Iraqi Dinar, The New Republic, etc. Karen Hudes still says it's coming, and Anna Von Reitz is still pointing out the flaws.

Yet, Billy Faust is dead, Leroy Schweitzer died in prison, Irwin Schiff died in prison, Jerry and Joe Kane are dead, 82 men, women and children were burned alive at Waco, Megan Weaver was shot in the head standing on her front porch holding her infant child, by a sharpshooter hiding in the bushes, The common law grand juries has not helped, the county assemblies did not help, and those who try to extricate themselves from the slave system typically fail.

Yes, Rod Class is still fighting his DC gun case, Dean Clifford is back in custody, the Bundy's are under indictment, Winston Shrout is under indictment, Sean David Morton is under indictment, the Hammonds are in prison, and LaVoy Finicum was ambushed, shot in cold blood in broad daylight, and then put on You Tube.

No one has paid more attention, participated more in the alternative initiatives for freedom, studied the USC, the UCC, the Code of Federal Regulations, court procedure, trust interpretation, birth certificates, and both the dejure and defacto side of the public and private, than me.

Please show me where there is an initiative with some legs and some teeth.

[KiwiElf]

Grip... you forgot Drake and NESARA! :p My thoughts entirely ;) I'll believe it when I see it...

[turiya]

Grip... you forgot Drake and NESARA! :p My thoughts entirely ;) I'll believe it when I see it...

People forget... I was right about Drake and shunned for it... (edit: readjusting my opinion of Drake - as his source of info no doubt misunderstood the 'red tape' - time element - that is prevalent within incorporated court system).... I was right about Shane and almost banned for it... I'm right about Reptilians don't exist... and banned for it. I'll also be right about Trump being president & the resurrection of the Republic... just remember.