Do you think Earth is a prison planet, or is it a school...?

[AMystic3434]

because it cant be both right. There seems to be some people that think its a prison planet when souls can get trapped here in a cycle of forced reincarnation upon death of the body. Or is earth more like a school where souls have the choice to come here and learn some hard lessons and always return back to the place to where they once came upon death. Ive heard people say that it is a prison planet and that earth was in trouble so souls volunteered to come and help it. But that doesn't make sense to me because why would a soul risk getting caught in a cycle of reincarnation and karma and risk not being able to return back home. I would think a soul would be to scared to take that risk so no one would volunteer. Ive heard people say like simon parks who is questionable to me say don't go to the light when you die because youll be trapped but again that doesn't make any sense to me giving all the near death experiences that ive seen where people always go to the light and return home to loved ones and feel peace and love. People like Dolores cannon say that earth is more like a school where a soul has a choice to come to earth and even though there is reincarnation it is not forced. She also says that people volunteered to come here because earth was in trouble. So what do you think is earth a prison planet or is it a school? Because it cant be both.

[guyres]

both, in this experiment we learn from suffering.

[Hawkwind]

Well, if it is a prison, there certainly are opportunities to learn here, and (at least according to most spiritual traditions) one can eventually free oneself from it. If it's a school, freedom within it is certainly more limited while we're in it than it is when we're not. So, I'm not seeing why it can't be viewed as both or either.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think, like the oracle said in The Matrix, that we are not here to make choices, we are here to understand why we made the choice. And this planet is a place to experience that. It is a place to experiment with certain preordained circumstances. It is a holodeck like in Star Trek, except when you enter you forget who you are. It is great fun. And when the ride is over we wake up to our normal selves, our magnificent selves. Then we look at each other and scream excitedly, "Let's do that again!". I know it's crazy, but no more crazy than this world and its far from sentient human denizens.

It's simple really, until we understand that we are all in this together and that the way you treat the least of your brethren is the measure of that state's sentience. Our score is not very high...

[Michi]

I vote for the 1st case:

Cameron Day wrote in his blog, "Tell the “Lords” of Karma That You Are Sovereign – No Longer a Lightworker Part 2" (http://www.ascensionhelp.com/blog/2013/11/21/tell-the-lords-of-karma-that-you-are-sovereign-no-longer-a-lightworker-part-2/):


The primary tool that the ToK (Turds of Karma) use to manipulate a being into accepting nearly endless reincarnation is the (false) "Light Review." When a person's body dies, they move out into the astral realms and begin to shed most of their previously held identity.

If this process were allowed to occur without interruption, the True Light of that being would emerge from within them and they would release layer upon layer of limiting beliefs generated in that incarnation.

However, within the realms of the demiurgic control system, what happens is that the ToK intercept that being just as their light is starting to emerge from within and surround them in a dazzling display of colorful external light. (This is why most of the people with near-death experiences report going through a tunnel of light.) The dazzling outer display distracts the being from the light emerging from within them and hypnotizes them through frequency entrainment and activation of any and all religious programming that being had been exposed to during their incarnation.

Another good in-depth write-up can be found at: http://in5d.com/how-to-exit-the-reincarnation-system/ (http://in5d.com/how-to-exit-the-reincarnation-system/)

There are many cases with the use of hypnosis or recall techniques which indicate earth being a prison planet.
Also the PA member TrumanCash wrote extensive articles and books on this subject.

[Kryztian]

It's kind of like being a child in your parents household - you are their prisoner. You can't run away because you will hunted down and brought back. You are forced to eat their food and participate in their activities. Their values and beliefs will be forced on you, as well are their rules. You don't have the freedom you want and you completely stuck. You might feel like you are their slave or that you are blessed to have them.

Not until you are older do you have a clearer perspective on this. Did they feed, nurture and educate you, or did they abuse and enslave you?

I've read Delores Cannon's accounts of what is going on and I have read more negative ones too, they we are being kept here so that entities can harvest our energy or otherwise take advantage of us.

Frankly, I don't think we will have a true answer to your very good question until we've moved beyond our human experience here on Earth.

[OmeyocaN777]

Well i'll tell you my opinion until this moment maybe in the future i'll change my mind......
It's a prison planet.
If it was a school then very simple we'll remember each life so we'll never do the same mistakes all over again.....
The souls come here to help the archons/reps (blocked energy of universe) to come back to Source......(we are the bait).
Because we are all one in the universe if someone stays behind it's affect the whole.
I believe Simon have right about the "light", it's the purgatory......a trap.
But until now i'm not sure which are the options here. One option i think is the "black hole of energy" that we have inside us (the spark of light) that we connect with the Source (if you want to go outside - you must go inside). The other option maybe is the center of Earth (earth is connecting with the Sun and Sun with the center of Galaxy - Stargates). Some they say that the Stargates (center of Earth - Sun) have Guardians that you must pass if you are ready. Now the Guardians are the archons or our higher-self ........?????
Anyway, like Plato said in the allegory of the cave........we must not come back with "empty hands"......!!!??
Namaste

[AMystic3434]

let me ask you this. If your not supposed to go the light because youll be trapped by the lords of Karma where are you supposed to go. What else will the soul see when it dies I would image the only other thing there is is darkness. where the source be if it weren't in the light. Just a question.

[Michi]

let me ask you this. If your not supposed to go the light because youll be trapped by the lords of Karma where are you supposed to go. What else will the soul see when it dies I would image the only other thing there is is darkness. where the source be if it weren't in the light. Just a question.

I don't think, one is SUPPOSED to go anywhere. One should choose whatever one wants to do/learn next.

As I understand, it's like this:


... Here, I believe, it’s a good idea to put up a list, in order to easier absorb the information I’m about to give you:

1. Instead of letting yourself be “hypnotized” by its attraction, turn and look in the opposite direction (you will have 360° vision, and you can still concentrate on looking in a certain direction) and move away from the Tunnel (you do this by “thinking” yourself as moving — it’s all about thoughts and intention in this dimension).

Remember, you, as a soul of Fire, are far stronger than the centrifugal force that pulls you toward the Tunnel. Don’t try to fight it — that’s not the way to do it. Instead, think yourself away from it!

The Tunnel with the Light on the other side of it is a sophisticated hologram, and all you need to do is to think yourself in another direction, and the Tunnel will fade away.

2. Soon you will see the Grid as a fuzzy “barrier” in front of you, or above you (there are no ups and downs or left and right in space). You will also see that it has holes in it — like a Swiss cheese. Move through one of these holes.

3. You will now see the Universe the way it is, i.e. you will now be truly interdimensional. This means you will see a much larger universe than you are used to.

and:


4. As a Fire riding an Avatar, you are now free to go more or less anywhere in the Universe. I talked earlier about “Universities” — that certain star systems work as universities do here on Earth.

You may go there and explore what they have to offer, to see if it interests you, but the more appropriate or easier way would be to first know what you want to do or what you want to learn.

Let’s say you want to learn about how to build interdimensional space crafts. Then you think yourself to a university that teaches that, and you will nanotravel there as fast as you think it. As I see it, you need to concentrate on that thought, so it becomes dominant over your other thoughts at that moment — that’s all you need to do.

(from http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/escape-their-trap-and-set-your-soul-free.html (http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/escape-their-trap-and-set-your-soul-free.html))

[Foxie Loxie]

Maybe we're ALL a part of The Source & that is what we are to discover? The few negative after death experiences I've heard about are pretty horrible. Some people seem to have been "guided" throughout their lives to accomplish a certain end about which they understand very little. At times, it does seem like we're just "along for the ride"! Some people seem to want to grow & change & others are content to remain within the box they grew up in, questioning nothing. Keep questioning!

[Innocent Warrior]

I have one memory from before this life, it is of when I died in a previous life (likely the life directly preceding this one) and what a guide showed me after I died (well, after my human body expired anyway). This memory has provided me some insights, the reason for me reincarnating being one of them.

At the beginning of the memory I was running really fast, literally for my life. I could feel a small mob of people chasing me, I didn't dare look back to see who they were or how many people there were, but I could sense the general size of the mob, roughly 10-20 people.

So I was running when all of a sudden a door (from seemingly nowhere, I was running outside, not through a building) swiftly closed behind me. The mob was now gone and I was standing before three white stairs, with a white door at the top of the stairs, and standing beside the door was a guide (appeared as a young man). It was immediately apparent to me that I had just been killed and I was now on the other side. Sensing that I had messed up (feels like I was reckless and knew better) and, feeling embarrassed, I asked the guide, "what was that all about?" (meaning what was that life about). My guide told me what it was about but I don't remember what the answer was now, likely because I'm here for the same reason this time. I had a moment of kicking myself and said, "oh I knew that!" Next I shrugged my shoulders and said, "oh well", meaning well it's done now, with a 'not much I can do about that now' type attitude. My guide responded to me with a look of concern. I was confused.

Next thing I know is we're on the other side of that white door and outside a large building. The wall and doors to enter the foyer of the building was all glass, I could see in but I could not enter. I could see people (beings) in white robes, holding a glass of champagne each, talking to each other, telepathically. I could feel they were aware of my presence there and that they knew me but none of them looked at me. I didn't recognise any of them. I've recently come to understand that this was some sort of celebratory reception but at the time I was still confused. I couldn't enter, I didn't know why, but now I understand; it was because I hadn't finished what I set out to do, in the life I just exited, nice try but no cigar!

Next, my guide took me to a place I will never forget. It was another place I couldn't enter, only now I was devastated from the understanding I couldn't enter yet. This is where I belong, my spirit yearns for this place and going there is most important to me and yet I cannot go back until I have completed what I came here to do. The nature of that place pretty much answers the question of why I am here, a huge clue, but still I do not remember all the details of how I will accomplish what I have set out to do.

So, for me at least, Earth is a platform upon which I am able to achieve what I set out to do, which feels like a long time ago. So even though it feels to me, this human person, that I'm stuck here, stuck in some cycle of reincarnating here, I know that I am here by choice and I'll keep coming back until I've achieved what I first set out to do. I'm sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place, in a way - I don't really like being here but it's too late to go back now and I have to finish what I started because nothing is more important to me than going back to where I belong and the only way is forward. I have good reason to believe this is my last time reincarnating here. I did reach a fork in the road, to which the other timeline would have ended up with me having to come back yet again but luckily I was brave and made the right decision, so now, so far so good. :thumbsup:

So Earth is a lot of things and what it is to any given individual, at any given time, is subject to the individual's perspective. It can be a prison, it can be a school, it can be both and it can be many other things. Regarding being a prison though, it's not the planet itself that's the prison, the bars of the prison are constructed out of the limitations of our human minds, specifically the collective in its current state - fear.

[ZooLife]

RE: Do you think earth is a prison planet or is it a school...

They are not mutually exclusive.

We learn what prison (limitation) REALLY is.

[Michelle Marie]

I think it is a form of imprisonment until we graduate and become soul-empowered. We can set ourselves free by living the truth. The illumination of the planet as a whole will occur whether we believe it or not, whether we are ready or not, and whether we like it or not. Love prepares the way. Attunement to the highest vibrations helps us stay on the upward path.

We are more "overcoming" and "becoming" than just mental learning. It's a soul process.

Love to ALL,
Michelle

[Andre]

I've heard people say that (Earth) is a prison planet and that earth was in trouble so souls volunteered to come and help it. But that doesn't make sense to me because why would a soul risk getting caught in a cycle of reincarnation and karma and risk not being able to return back home. I would think a soul would be to scared to take that risk so no one would volunteer.

I can see how this would look a bit confusing, but it makes total sense to me because most of the beings who volunteered to come here are careful not to create karma that would trap them here. If you think of karma in terms of attachment, you'll get the idea. But you are probably correct in asserting that it would have been a concern of many who considered volunteering from whatever planet or dimension they were in at the time they heard the call. It may also be true that some of the beings who heard the call had karma to resolve here anyway. (For those who are unfamiliar with this "call", what we are talking about is the mostly telepathic communication that went out across the galaxy immediately following the 1945 atomic bomb explosions).


I've heard people say like simon parks who is questionable to me say don't go to the light when you die because you'll be trapped but again that doesn't make any sense to me giving all the near death experiences that ive seen where people always go to the light and return home to loved ones and feel peace and love. People like Dolores cannon say that earth is more like a school where a soul has a choice to come to earth and even though there is reincarnation it is not forced. She also says that people volunteered to come here because earth was in trouble.

As far as I am concerned Simon Parkes is the real deal, but putting that aside, the light that Simon is referring to at the time of death is actually an expression of the 4th dimensional matrix that induces reincarnation. I suspect that the degree to which one feels drawn towards this light is directly proportionate to the level of Earth karma one holds at the time of death. This matrix was created by 4th dimensional beings to maintain control over Earth and to get people to reincarnate over and over rather than allow them the freedom to move beyond the life/death cycle. The reptilian or Anunnaki who created this matrix have always viewed the Earth as their own and humans as slaves. (these are actually different races but it would be a major distraction to elaborate on that here). We still exist in the same Babylonian slave system today, controlled by the same 4th dimensional beings who have been bending world leaders to their ways for thousands of years. Fortunately, their control systems are rapidly breaking down. As for Dolores Cannon, who gave me all of her books when I met her, I think her comments on this subject may be a mix of optimistic speculation and reality.

In relation to near death experiences and OBEs where souls "go to the light, return home to loved ones", it is pretty obvious that most are describing a return to the same matrix where many of our relatives are waiting to reincarnate yet again. And why wouldn't it feel peaceful and loving when you encounter your dearly departed loved ones? If we study NDEs we also see how this felling of peacefulness is due to casting off the dense 3rd dimensional body for a lighter, 4th dimensional one.


So what do you think? Is earth a prison planet or is it a school? Because it can't be both.

I disagree that the Earth cannot be both a prison planet and a school. Clearly we see both scenarios today on Earth. For those who have not individuated (awakened), it can easily be referred to as a prison planet in the sense that so many souls are trapped in the life/death cycle of reincarnation, karma and duality. But for those who have individuated, Earth becomes a temporary school where with opportunities to learn, grow and decide whether or not we return here or go home to our own dimension or planet as Dolores repeatedly says in her transcripts.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Both.
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Some of my dreams suggest this experience can be accurately and simply described as boot camp for consciousness. IMHO, all, including the dark side, is an extension of Source energy on Prime Creators never ending journey of self discovery.

An example of repeating dreams suggesting to me that this experience is boot camp for consciousness:

Note: Marine Corp boot camp feels like a prison but it is also a school.

In these dreams, I have reenlisted in the Marine Corp for the nth time. No memory of why I reenlisted and I am thinking reenlistment may have been a foolish idea. But many of my friends were here and it was really not so bad. My enlistment contract guaranteed me assignment to the air wing.

Though much older than the other recruits, I could physically do anything the younger recruits could do, much to their surprise (and mine).

My uniform was usually, in some small way, out of order. Maybe a discipline issue?

Knowing I still had the skills of a well trained pilot, the desire to fly again was very strong. But regulations required that I pass a biennial flight exam conducted by a certified flight instructor. Wanting to bypass the rules, I impatiently looked for an aircraft to fly.

[enfoldedblue]

I definitely see both.

At the moment I have a visitor. He sees the world as a prison. He is not happy. I watch him as he interacts with the world....he tends to go from one unpleasant experience to the next...every one further confirming his belief that this is a miserable place. I used to approach the world like this and had similar experiences...then many years ago I focused on making internal changes. The more I worked, the more my external reality lightened up and the more pleasurable, fun fascinating, interesting... my experiences of reality became.

I think the more we know ourselves and resolve underlying issues, many of which have been passed from life to life, the more this game of life shifts from a prison where it can feel that we are being unfairly punished at every turn to one where there is an abundance of things like love, passion, intrigue etc..
the key is within
I truly love this planet and the experiences that are possible here. Density is not easy to adjust to... but if we are open it can provide the most amazing depth of experience.

[Sir Eltor]

Saying it can't be both is just really not an option , in my opinion . If there was any time during the existence of this planet , where people could be free of the interference from the control of others , which there must have been and probably is somewhere = no prison . Being alive on that type of Earth would keep me coming back for 2nd's and 3rd's ..... It's such a mind blowing place to experience , love , emotions , thoughts , nature ....

[Shannon]

Well I've been to prison and school on earth. I learned a lot in prison and felt like a prisoner at school... All I know is I'm a free spirit no matter where I am.

It's what you make it?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


I definitely see both.

At the moment I have a visitor. He sees the world as a prison. He is not happy. I watch him as he interacts with the world....he tends to go from one unpleasant experience to the next...every one further confirming his belief that this is a miserable place. I used to approach the world like this and had similar experiences...then many years ago I focused on making internal changes. The more I worked, the more my external reality lightened up and the more pleasurable, fun fascinating, interesting... my experiences of reality became.

I think the more we know ourselves and resolve underlying issues, many of which have been passed from life to life, the more this game of life shifts from a prison where it can feel that we are being unfairly punished at every turn to one where there is an abundance of things like love, passion, intrigue etc..
the key is within
I truly love this planet and the experiences that are possible here. Density is not easy to adjust to... but if we are open it can provide the most amazing depth of experience.

Exactly. :)

[ghostrider]

Originally earth was a prison planet , located on the outer rim of the Milky way , ideal for criminals that other races wanted to keep away from their civilizations, so peace can rule the day ...

[bettye198]

There is truth in much of what has been posted. Innately we all knew this was not paradise. Deepak made a comment that suffering is not necessary after one comes into knowing why it exists in a certain circumstance. Its the old adage, once you know better, you do better. Schooling is in prison, Prison exists on all levels of learning and living. But its not that simple I think.
After I read Voyagers by Ashayana Deane I got a resonance with the logistics of this planet. Of course we would have millions, billions of existence of life here and visitors from all realms leaving their footprint. And wars for dominion. That duality was part of the norm. And for me, I got over reincarnation when I realized it was a tool of the Fallen to keep us coming back to prison. Energy is fuel for the Fallen. Their energy source is finite so WE are the available supermarket. And rare it was to UNDERSTAND the mindset of the alien species so distant from hominid. So there began the long convoluted story that entangled our DNA our history our myths, our star gates, our broken treaties, our mistrust , our ego, our longevity, our suppressions. It made my thinking clear up and finalize one important thing. If I chose to be here at the most important awakening for humankind, to anchor love and discussion so be it. To overcome suffering of self, to be a steward in healing, then not all was lost. In the long range view, this is a Fallen planet that is undergoing its own ascension of consciousness because of us. Something of worth will be elevated. It will not show in this lifetime of ours, but the seeds are sown. In gratitude, I know we have all gathered for cause. And now we must raise our frequencies with pure intent to exit and never come back because the old Earth will not house our vibration, no need. We should set our sails for a new course, in higher dimensions because we are stronger, wiser simply from being here.

[Shannon]

Originally earth was a prison planet , located on the outer rim of the Milky way , ideal for criminals that other races wanted to keep away from their civilizations, so peace can rule the day ...

So earth is/was like Australia...and now they let those crazy bastards travel all over the place so there hope for us yet! Yey! :)

[seah]

let me ask you this. If your not supposed to go the light because youll be trapped by the lords of Karma where are you supposed to go. What else will the soul see when it dies I would image the only other thing there is is darkness. where the source be if it weren't in the light. Just a question.

I think what you see after you die depends on your personal level of consciousness/evolution. This is what we are here to raise or not...freewill and all.

[seah]

There is truth in much of what has been posted. Innately we all knew this was not paradise. Deepak made a comment that suffering is not necessary after one comes into knowing why it exists in a certain circumstance. Its the old adage, once you know better, you do better. Schooling is in prison, Prison exists on all levels of learning and living. But its not that simple I think.
After I read Voyagers by Ashayana Deane I got a resonance with the logistics of this planet. Of course we would have millions, billions of existence of life here and visitors from all realms leaving their footprint. And wars for dominion. That duality was part of the norm. And for me, I got over reincarnation when I realized it was a tool of the Fallen to keep us coming back to prison. Energy is fuel for the Fallen. Their energy source is finite so WE are the available supermarket. And rare it was to UNDERSTAND the mindset of the alien species so distant from hominid. So there began the long convoluted story that entangled our DNA our history our myths, our star gates, our broken treaties, our mistrust , our ego, our longevity, our suppressions. It made my thinking clear up and finalize one important thing. If I chose to be here at the most important awakening for humankind, to anchor love and discussion so be it. To overcome suffering of self, to be a steward in healing, then not all was lost. In the long range view, this is a Fallen planet that is undergoing its own ascension of consciousness because of us. Something of worth will be elevated. It will not show in this lifetime of ours, but the seeds are sown. In gratitude, I know we have all gathered for cause. And now we must raise our frequencies with pure intent to exit and never come back because the old Earth will not house our vibration, no need. We should set our sails for a new course, in higher dimensions because we are stronger, wiser simply from being here.

so true...and failing is not an option :bigsmile:

[Kalamos]

So I wrote the post below before I found this thread and read through it. It answered a little bit of some of my questions. I get that the whole Anunnaki myth is partially behind the idea of a Prison Planet. But I don't buy into that. People like Simon Parkes were talking about not going into the light. Frankly I'd do the opposite of whatever he has to say. But anyway, I'll bump this thread with my rant. Maybe we can get more thoughts about it.

My post:
I was thinking today about the idea that we on Earth are living in a Matrix, or a sort of Prison. This seem like a semi-popular idea lately, along with the Light Trap at death. In contrast to this is the idea that Earth (or LIFE) is part of a greater scheme of Spiritual Evolution in which we are subjected, or subject our SELVES to the Good and Bad of living on different dimensions, with all of Life on this great Wheel of Spiritual Evolution.

Near Death Experiences seem to confirm the idea of Spiritual Evolution, in my opinion, with Life After Death and Life Between Lives confirming that we are in a School; that our Higher Selves CHOOSE to be here on Earth at this time.

Personally I don't buy into the Prison Planet or Matrix idea. I wonder how old this idea is though. Like who first started saying these things? I know older systems like Theosophy allowed for an Evil presence on Earth and in the scheme of Evolution, but it had its place and no way is to succeed in totally capturing our world. I don't know! I'm out of the loop on this stuff, really.

So what are your thoughts on this? Earth -- Prison and Matrix, or School of Evolution?

The idea of Spiritual Evolution is very old. It seems to me that people who speak about the Matrix and Light Traps are making it up, and have no real evidence of it. . That's how I see it. Who first spoke about this Prison Planet? Who first spoke about Light Traps and Soul Harvesting? Did it all start with the Abduction phenomenon last century?

These ideas don't seem to coalesce in my mind. Like, if this is Prison Planet, and the wonderful things most people experience in NDE's is all lies, then where does that leave Spirituality in general. Is it ALL a ruse made up by some Alien race or beings that keep us enslaved?

Thanks for bearing with me and my thoughts today. Help me, if you will, to reconcile these Ideas and how they might fit together. Can we have a Prison Planet AND Spiritual Evolution?

Thanks again.

-Kalamos



let me ask you this. If your not supposed to go the light because youll be trapped by the lords of Karma where are you supposed to go. What else will the soul see when it dies I would image the only other thing there is is darkness. where the source be if it weren't in the light. Just a question.

I don't think, one is SUPPOSED to go anywhere. One should choose whatever one wants to do/learn next.

As I understand, it's like this:


... Here, I believe, it’s a good idea to put up a list, in order to easier absorb the information I’m about to give you:

1. Instead of letting yourself be “hypnotized” by its attraction, turn and look in the opposite direction (you will have 360° vision, and you can still concentrate on looking in a certain direction) and move away from the Tunnel (you do this by “thinking” yourself as moving — it’s all about thoughts and intention in this dimension).

Remember, you, as a soul of Fire, are far stronger than the centrifugal force that pulls you toward the Tunnel. Don’t try to fight it — that’s not the way to do it. Instead, think yourself away from it!

The Tunnel with the Light on the other side of it is a sophisticated hologram, and all you need to do is to think yourself in another direction, and the Tunnel will fade away.

2. Soon you will see the Grid as a fuzzy “barrier” in front of you, or above you (there are no ups and downs or left and right in space). You will also see that it has holes in it — like a Swiss cheese. Move through one of these holes.

3. You will now see the Universe the way it is, i.e. you will now be truly interdimensional. This means you will see a much larger universe than you are used to.

and:


4. As a Fire riding an Avatar, you are now free to go more or less anywhere in the Universe. I talked earlier about “Universities” — that certain star systems work as universities do here on Earth.

You may go there and explore what they have to offer, to see if it interests you, but the more appropriate or easier way would be to first know what you want to do or what you want to learn.

Let’s say you want to learn about how to build interdimensional space crafts. Then you think yourself to a university that teaches that, and you will nanotravel there as fast as you think it. As I see it, you need to concentrate on that thought, so it becomes dominant over your other thoughts at that moment — that’s all you need to do.

(from http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/escape-their-trap-and-set-your-soul-free.html (http://humansarefree.com/2015/03/escape-their-trap-and-set-your-soul-free.html))

P.S. to add: that article that they quoted just seems juvenile. And people like Wes Penre add to the hysteria (IMO) that Earth is a prison and that you can just choose to go elsewhere upon death, and fly away to another planet. "JUST DON'T GO INTO THE LIGHT!!1"

[Johan (Keyholder)]

Thanks for reviving this thread Kalamos!

Many of us here have no doubt been asking the same questions as you do.

Who started the idea of a Prison Planet? It would make an interesting study to figure that out. Maybe "Plato's Cave" is one indication? The reality we know and live in "here", is not Reality. Making this more like a sort of prison where we have to "escape from" (= by Spiritual Evolving). But that would make "school" a kind of "punishment" (and I don't see it as such).

PK Dick came up with his concept of a BIP (Black Iron Prison). He also is known to have said: "If you think this world is bad, you should see some of the others." He said that during his famous speech in Metz, France in September 1977 (here is a link, it is definitely worth listening to if you haven't already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7SxTm_LQW4 )

PK Dick was a sort of modern gnostic (he may not have agreed with that though, being a gnostic). And the entire idea of the Pleroma, the Demiurge, illusionary world (= material universe) is very well explained by the main Gnostic teachings. While I myself don't adhere any type of "religion/philosophy/teaching", I can see the value in many. So, it is always good and useful to study them but I don't think it is needed to "join" any creed; we are enough "by Our Selves", and yes, we can definitely assist one another.

Is it not so that one learns so much more ànd faster in a "harsh environment" than while being in a peaceful place? We can trust in my opinion our Higher Selves on this (or any other name you give the HS). It knows way better than we - while living from and with our personality - what we need at any time and place. That is indeed Spiritual Evolution and quite a lot of sources have stated that this planet Earth is one of the fastest tracks any soul can pick to learn a lot and fast.

Ecologist Edgar Silver is another one who is said to have developed the "prison planet theory". It can be true or not, but he comes up with some interesting facts and theories:

Silver contends that we are not an evolutionary product of this world but, rather, visitors that found ourselves on Earth relatively recently in the geographical timescale.

Silver goes on to argue that we may have come to Earth anywhere between tens of thousands of years ago to hundreds of thousands of years ago before breeding with earlier developed species such as the Neanderthals, causing us to become the hybrid species we know as humans today.

According to Silver, it all starts with the fact that we, as a species, really don’t belong here on Earth. As Silver acknowledges, humans are unlike any other species found here on Earth in terms of both mental capacity and intelligence. There is, in fact, no species on Earth that can contend with humankind’s ability to create, philosophize, and advance in a technological sense. And that’s not Silver’s only argument to suggest that humankind originated elsewhere in the Universe.

Silver also states that humans possess many physiological characteristics that suggest we didn’t originally develop here on Earth. In fact, Silver lists a variety of differences between us and nearly every other lifeform found on Earth. According to Silver, these differences can be observed as early on as the beginning of our lives.

The first example Silver offers is the fact that human mothers experience both complications and pain during natural childbirth that is not witnessed elsewhere in the animal kingdom. While it can be argued that many of these complications may be due to the size of a baby human’s head, Silver argues that there is no basis for this to be normal if this is a result of evolutionary progression.

Silver also argues that human babies are virtually helpless for years after birth, developing excruciatingly slowly when compared to the rest of the animal kingdom. Within the animal kingdom, rather, it is the norm for babies to become fairly self-sufficient in a rapid amount of time. While this may seem like enough to make you raise an eyebrow, there is still much that Silver has to say.

Silver goes on to note that as humans age, we display certain anomalous traits that we don’t share with other members of the animal kingdom. He cites the fact that we are extraordinarily prone to developing chronic illnesses, that we are weak to the impact of the sun (we are the only species that experiences sunburn), and that the range of frequencies that we can hear is relatively low compared to the rest of the animal kingdom. Silver even goes on to cite the reason that humans are so prone to back issues as being the gravitational difference between Earth and our homeworld.

While there are a number of other interesting differences between the human race and the majority of the animal kingdom that Silver goes on to highlight, it seems that he is of the opinion that our bodies are not well-suited for the Earthly environment. As he says:

My thesis proposes that mankind did not evolve from that particular strain of life (native earth organisms), but evolved elsewhere and was transported to Earth between 60,000 and 200,000 years ago. Mankind is supposedly the most highly developed species on the planet, yet is surprisingly unsuited and ill-equipped for Earth’s environment: harmed by sunlight, a strong dislike for naturally occurring foods, ridiculously high rates of chronic disease, and more. This suggests (to me at least) that mankind may have evolved on a different planet, and we may have been brought here as a highly developed species. The Earth approximately meets our needs as a species, but perhaps not as strongly as whoever brought us here initially thought.

Bizarrely, he believes Earth could actually be some kind of galactic jail.

“The Earth might be a prison planet, since we seem to be a naturally violent species and we’re here until we learn to behave ourselves,” he added.

(Source: https://medium.com/inside-the-simulation/the-theory-of-the-prison-planet-5b9958cc444a)

Like Ellis Silver, there are many other similar theories. Personally I prefer to rely on personal experiences and take anything I read or hear about as a useful tool to explore (reality as I know it now).

The idea of a Matrix is quite new (as a word anyway). I discovered two books recently that support the concept of a holographic (matrixlike) reality/univese we live in. The author is Rizwan Virk. His books "The Simulation Hypothesis" and "The Simulated Multiverse" are good and very informative. Worth reading for sure.

Howdie Mickoski also wrote a good book: "Exit the Cave", and also considers "where we are" much as a sort of prison planet.

There are so many re-sources and I think it's best to use our personal Intuition and Discernment to come to a (temporary) conclusion and be willing to adapt our beliefsystem as we go along. The Experiences will follow as we ask for clarity.

About the Light Trap... whether it is or is not, both can be argumented for or against I think. I do think that the method of "recapitulation" (Life Review) Mickoski writes about will be useful in any case. Even while we still are "alive" here and now.

As you wrote Kalamos: "Can we have a Prison Planet AND Spiritual Evolution?", I would tend to say "YES", yet I would not really call this a "Prison Planet". Maybe more a "Tough School for Fast Spiritual Advancement"?

[Bruce G Charlton]

To answer the question requires we first state our metaphysical assumptions concerning the nature and place of this present mortal incarnated life.

Mine are that this finite mortal life comes between an eternal (unbounded) pre-mortal life in which we we spirit-beings (not incarnated); and after death the possibility - for those who choose it - of resurrected eternal life in Heaven.

For those who choose resurrection, this life is a temporary place for learning; and what we learn is carried forward into everlasting post-mortal life.

But not everybody chooses resurrection - and some of those choose to remain in this stage of life (by a kind of 'deal' with demonic powers); in which case it is a prison.

There are also other possibilities.

[Kalamos]

U]My thesis proposes that mankind did not evolve from that particular strain of life (native earth organisms), but evolved elsewhere and was transported to Earth between 60,000 and 200,000 years ago. Mankind is supposedly the most highly developed species on the planet, yet is surprisingly unsuited and ill-equipped for Earth’s environment: harmed by sunlight, a strong dislike for naturally occurring foods, ridiculously high rates of chronic disease, and more. This suggests (to me at least) that mankind may have evolved on a different planet, and we may have been brought here as a highly developed species. The Earth approximately meets our needs as a species, but perhaps not as strongly as whoever brought us here initially thought.
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Bizarrely, he believes Earth could actually be some kind of galactic jail.

“The Earth might be a prison planet, since we seem to be a naturally violent species and we’re here until we learn to behave ourselves,” he added.

(Source: https://medium.com/inside-the-simulation/the-theory-of-the-prison-planet-5b9958cc444a)

I can totally believe Silver's thesis. I've been thinking along those lines the last couple of years. I think we were implanted on Earth. And hopefully, there is a plan for us to evolve from here.

Thanks, Bruce and Johan for your replies.

[Pris]

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"Do you think Earth is a prison planet, or is it a school...?"

Lol aren't they the same thing? ;D

[Mike Gorman]

I recall my own personal response to having to attend school. I was raised as a good Catholic boy, my father insisted that all of his children would be brought up in the Catholic faith, this was a common enough situation back in the late 50's and 1960's. there was a Catholic primary school in the city of Chester, it was called St Werburgh's who was the patron saint of the city of Chester; this city is ancient, founded in A.D 72 and developed by the invading Roman army who built walls around the city and it has extensive archeological 'diggings' with an amphitheater adjacent to the Catholic convent school my sister was compelled to attend. Anyway, I did not like this school, it was difficult to get to on time, being in the city CBD, the edifice of the building was very grim and looked like you imagine institutions from the era of Charles Dickens to look, exactly like that!
By the 3rd day of attending this school I was screaming and clinging on to the school gate - I had to be dragged into the school yard. This was not a good beginning of my academic career.
I hated school, not merely disliking it, and even when my mother insisted that I be taken from this archaic, backward St Werburgh's and attend the much nearer state primary school which was much more enlightened and humane, the damage had been done, and I developed an 'antisocial' attitude, I resisted and held school in contempt.
I was a naturally upbeat kind of kid, I loved exploring and discovering things for myself.
My reading was prodigious, I developed a taste for Science, Medicine, Engineering and Biology - I was reading books well in advance of my years, which turns out to be a teaching method that is widely practiced today, expose the child to information ahead of the kid's present level of comprehension and see what happens: this does not suit all children, but for some it is a 'magic doorway' into advancing their intellect and comprehension.
This puzzled my teachers, because they knew I was pretty clever, I was articulate and skeptical, but also willing to reveal my learning and to assist others with this insight.
We know that imposed, and authoritarian styles of learning are not ideal, this suits certain types of people more than others, for a great many 'good children' this initiates them into becoming complaint, cooperative citizens who respect official forms of restriction: probably not for many of us, here on this forum, I suspect many of us were the "Naughty Kids" of our schools, correct me if I am wrong here.
We know that school/prison are too much alike, with school obviously being a more benign version of a prison, but definitely possessing many of its features.
This planet is beautiful, it is unique, probably quite rare among the billions of lifeless planets in the universe, but I am certain there are abundant other "Earths" and people just like us who aspire to understand their existence and to learn about this universe.
We have made the planet punitive, and prison-like, but of course this does not have to be case, POWER is the principle reason for why we organize our societies like we do, people love to have power over what goes down, and how others are to live - none of this needs to be the way it is, and this is the whole point. To Be Continued...

[Johnnycomelately]

I recall my own personal response to having to attend school. I was raised as a good Catholic boy, my father insisted that all of his children would be brought up in the Catholic faith, this was a common enough situation back in the late 50's and 1960's. there was a Catholic primary school in the city of Chester, it was called St Werburgh's who was the patron saint of the city of Chester; this city is ancient, founded in A.D 72 and developed by the invading Roman army who built walls around the city and it has extensive archeological 'diggings' with an amphitheater adjacent to the Catholic convent school my sister was compelled to attend. Anyway, I did not like this school, it was difficult to get to on time, being in the city CBD, the edifice of the building was very grim and looked like you imagine institutions from the era of Charles Dickens to look, exactly like that!
By the 3rd day of attending this school I was screaming and clinging on to the school gate - I had to be dragged into the school yard. This was not a good beginning of my academic career.
I hated school, not merely disliking it, and even when my mother insisted that I be taken from this archaic, backward St Werburgh's and attend the much nearer state primary school which was much more enlightened and humane, the damage had been done, and I developed an 'antisocial' attitude, I resisted and held school in contempt.
I was a naturally upbeat kind of kid, I loved exploring and discovering things for myself.
My reading was prodigious, I developed a taste for Science, Medicine, Engineering and Biology - I was reading books well in advance of my years, which turns out to be a teaching method that is widely practiced today, expose the child to information ahead of the kid's present level of comprehension and see what happens: this does not suit all children, but for some it is a 'magic doorway' into advancing their intellect and comprehension.
This puzzled my teachers, because they knew I was pretty clever, I was articulate and skeptical, but also willing to reveal my learning and to assist others with this insight.
We know that imposed, and authoritarian styles of learning are not ideal, this suits certain types of people more than others, for a great many 'good children' this initiates them into becoming complaint, cooperative citizens who respect official forms of restriction: probably not for many of us, here on this forum, I suspect many of us were the "Naughty Kids" of our schools, correct me if I am wrong here.
We know that school/prison are too much alike, with school obviously being a more benign version of a prison, but definitely possessing many of its features.
This planet is beautiful, it is unique, probably quite rare among the billions of lifeless planets in the universe, but I am certain there are abundant other "Earths" and people just like us who aspire to understand their existence and to learn about this universe.
We have made the planet punitive, and prison-like, but of course this does not have to be case, POWER is the principle reason for why we organize our societies like we do, people love to have power over what goes down, and how others are to live - none of this needs to be the way it is, and this is the whole point. To Be Continued...

“Naughty kids” represent! Seems that you turned out well, and IMO I did too.

But I am not too worried that the ‘good, compliant kids’ make life hell here. Earth is (IMO) indeed a school, a place to face our own corresponding weakness. That idea says that what makes us vibrate, is in us too, and that that discomfit is a signal of a change we can make to refine ourself.

[Pam]

Thanks for reviving this thread Kalamos!

Many of us here have no doubt been asking the same questions as you do.

Who started the idea of a Prison Planet? It would make an interesting study to figure that out. Maybe "Plato's Cave" is one indication? The reality we know and live in "here", is not Reality. Making this more like a sort of prison where we have to "escape from" (= by Spiritual Evolving). But that would make "school" a kind of "punishment" (and I don't see it as such).

PK Dick came up with his concept of a BIP (Black Iron Prison). He also is known to have said: "If you think this world is bad, you should see some of the others." He said that during his famous speech in Metz, France in September 1977 (here is a link, it is definitely worth listening to if you haven't already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7SxTm_LQW4 )

PK Dick was a sort of modern gnostic (he may not have agreed with that though, being a gnostic). And the entire idea of the Pleroma, the Demiurge, illusionary world (= material universe) is very well explained by the main Gnostic teachings. While I myself don't adhere any type of "religion/philosophy/teaching", I can see the value in many. So, it is always good and useful to study them but I don't think it is needed to "join" any creed; we are enough "by Our Selves", and yes, we can definitely assist one another.

Is it not so that one learns so much more ànd faster in a "harsh environment" than while being in a peaceful place? We can trust in my opinion our Higher Selves on this (or any other name you give the HS). It knows way better than we - while living from and with our personality - what we need at any time and place. That is indeed Spiritual Evolution and quite a lot of sources have stated that this planet Earth is one of the fastest tracks any soul can pick to learn a lot and fast.

Ecologist Edgar Silver is another one who is said to have developed the "prison planet theory". It can be true or not, but he comes up with some interesting facts and theories:

Silver contends that we are not an evolutionary product of this world but, rather, visitors that found ourselves on Earth relatively recently in the geographical timescale.

Silver goes on to argue that we may have come to Earth anywhere between tens of thousands of years ago to hundreds of thousands of years ago before breeding with earlier developed species such as the Neanderthals, causing us to become the hybrid species we know as humans today.

According to Silver, it all starts with the fact that we, as a species, really don’t belong here on Earth. As Silver acknowledges, humans are unlike any other species found here on Earth in terms of both mental capacity and intelligence. There is, in fact, no species on Earth that can contend with humankind’s ability to create, philosophize, and advance in a technological sense. And that’s not Silver’s only argument to suggest that humankind originated elsewhere in the Universe.

Silver also states that humans possess many physiological characteristics that suggest we didn’t originally develop here on Earth. In fact, Silver lists a variety of differences between us and nearly every other lifeform found on Earth. According to Silver, these differences can be observed as early on as the beginning of our lives.

The first example Silver offers is the fact that human mothers experience both complications and pain during natural childbirth that is not witnessed elsewhere in the animal kingdom. While it can be argued that many of these complications may be due to the size of a baby human’s head, Silver argues that there is no basis for this to be normal if this is a result of evolutionary progression.

Silver also argues that human babies are virtually helpless for years after birth, developing excruciatingly slowly when compared to the rest of the animal kingdom. Within the animal kingdom, rather, it is the norm for babies to become fairly self-sufficient in a rapid amount of time. While this may seem like enough to make you raise an eyebrow, there is still much that Silver has to say.

Silver goes on to note that as humans age, we display certain anomalous traits that we don’t share with other members of the animal kingdom. He cites the fact that we are extraordinarily prone to developing chronic illnesses, that we are weak to the impact of the sun (we are the only species that experiences sunburn), and that the range of frequencies that we can hear is relatively low compared to the rest of the animal kingdom. Silver even goes on to cite the reason that humans are so prone to back issues as being the gravitational difference between Earth and our homeworld.

While there are a number of other interesting differences between the human race and the majority of the animal kingdom that Silver goes on to highlight, it seems that he is of the opinion that our bodies are not well-suited for the Earthly environment. As he says:

My thesis proposes that mankind did not evolve from that particular strain of life (native earth organisms), but evolved elsewhere and was transported to Earth between 60,000 and 200,000 years ago. Mankind is supposedly the most highly developed species on the planet, yet is surprisingly unsuited and ill-equipped for Earth’s environment: harmed by sunlight, a strong dislike for naturally occurring foods, ridiculously high rates of chronic disease, and more. This suggests (to me at least) that mankind may have evolved on a different planet, and we may have been brought here as a highly developed species. The Earth approximately meets our needs as a species, but perhaps not as strongly as whoever brought us here initially thought.

Bizarrely, he believes Earth could actually be some kind of galactic jail.

“The Earth might be a prison planet, since we seem to be a naturally violent species and we’re here until we learn to behave ourselves,” he added.

(Source: https://medium.com/inside-the-simulation/the-theory-of-the-prison-planet-5b9958cc444a)

Like Ellis Silver, there are many other similar theories. Personally I prefer to rely on personal experiences and take anything I read or hear about as a useful tool to explore (reality as I know it now).

The idea of a Matrix is quite new (as a word anyway). I discovered two books recently that support the concept of a holographic (matrixlike) reality/univese we live in. The author is Rizwan Virk. His books "The Simulation Hypothesis" and "The Simulated Multiverse" are good and very informative. Worth reading for sure.

Howdie Mickoski also wrote a good book: "Exit the Cave", and also considers "where we are" much as a sort of prison planet.

There are so many re-sources and I think it's best to use our personal Intuition and Discernment to come to a (temporary) conclusion and be willing to adapt our beliefsystem as we go along. The Experiences will follow as we ask for clarity.

About the Light Trap... whether it is or is not, both can be argumented for or against I think. I do think that the method of "recapitulation" (Life Review) Mickoski writes about will be useful in any case. Even while we still are "alive" here and now.

As you wrote Kalamos: "Can we have a Prison Planet AND Spiritual Evolution?", I would tend to say "YES", yet I would not really call this a "Prison Planet". Maybe more a "Tough School for Fast Spiritual Advancement"?

This post is incredibly interesting. Thank you for your suggestions of reading material. I have already discovered Howdie Mickoski and of course PK Dick.

I would like to add another huge point about humans and the whole evolution concept. Why would we "evolve" to not be able to survive without clothing in many climates? That alone has always, since I was a child blown the whole "evolution" process for me. It just makes no sense. I see no signs of evolution in the Darwinian sense at all. What I have observed in nature is the ability of adaption to be magnificent and it can occur quickly. If one spends a lot of time in nature you can see the incredible degree in which life forms can adapt to survive. I have no belief whatsoever that the human species evolved from another species on this planet in the fashion I was taught.

I do adhere to the simulation model, but I don't feel confident that I understand the form in which this is a simulation. Maybe a better term would be I see it as a construct. It seems a rather cruel construct in the fact that energy transfer is frequently exchanged in the predator/prey model. Lives must be taken so we can survive. With the introduction of corporate farming it has become a cruel mockery of living creatures and flora, they have in no way been exempted from the inversion/prison element that I see here.This predator /prey seems to be unnecessary to me, it is something we are so used to because we have accepted cognitive dissonance as a way of being. I suspect it is the only way we could exist. So just to exist in this construct we have to suppress or lie or omit aspects of what is happening just to exist here. That, or we would have to have no empathy, in other words we would need to sociopathic. In that sense this seems to have prison like qualities.

I still have many unanswered questions about the nature of our role here and the nature of the construct, but it is incredibly interesting to me. Thanks, Kalamos, for bringing this subject matter back to light(pun intended). teeheee...... Your questions are thoughtful and pertinent.

[Wind]

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"Do you think Earth is a prison planet, or is it a school...?"

Lol aren't they the same thing? ;D

No although towards the end of school I started to hate it and it felt like a prison.

There were many reasons for it though. It wasn't fertile soil for learning.

If you feel that life is a prison then that's just your feeling and not the truth. However, feeling that something is very "wrong" on this planet means that you are not a conformist nor a truly crazy person. Because only a truly crazy person would think that this is the best we can have. No, this is almost the worst we can have (spiritually speaking), but this is Kali Yuga after all which is the spiritual dark age which is thankfully near it's end. Capitalism (with the help of the totally insane military industrial complex and warhawks in many countries) and people are destroying the planet. The demonic forces are having the upper hand, but the night is darkest just before the dawn. It won't be always like this.

Eight billion souls have wanted to come here even during these insane times, that alone should tell something. We aren't here so much to enjoy than we are here to learn and to evolve our consciousness. This is a really hard, and painful school. Who likes pain? No one of course, except maybe for the sadomasochists. Yet there's lots of beauty too, in fact the light can shine far brighter in the dark.

The beautiful lotus flower grows and thrives in the mud.

[Blastolabs]

We have manifested in these bodies in order to learn things we cannot when we are pure consciousness.

Perhaps we have all already lived infinite lives while the game was easy, now the game has more rules and is more difficult so we can experience new things.

[Vicus]

What can Be Serious for a Man in Prison?

“If a man could understand all the horror of the lives of ordinary people who are turning around in a circle of insignificant interests and insignificant aims, if he could understand what they are losing, he would understand that there can only be one thing that is serious for him — to escape from the general law, to be free. What can be serious for a man in prison who is condemned to death? Only one thing: How to save himself, how to escape: nothing else is serious.”

– G. I. Gurdjieff

[lake]

I will place the below here but mods please delete or move if considered off topic.

I find this of interest as I have not read the concept before.
It is some posts by Direne who seems to be part of the Forgotten Languages group.

The quotes are in order of being made ...


Stasis is a complex procedure. You can slow down the aging and deterioration of the body by supplying biological fluids that slow down its deterioration, but you cannot do the same with the brain.

Assuming that consciousness resides in the brain, you must find a way to keep it fed with the bioliquids it needs. Suppose you succeed. Even so, you must now keep the brain functioning to prevent its deterioration, and you must respect its cycles of stimulation and sleep.

To do this, you must supply him with synthetic dreams and substances that make it believe that it is interacting with the environment, for which you use specific drugs. These chemical realities must be consistent with the idea of aging: no one wants to go into stasis at 25 and wake up at 35, so in the chemical realities you design you must simulate the biological aging factor.

If you wish to travel to the Alpha Mensae star-system, located about 33 light years distant from the Sun, and if your starship travels at 0.9c for 33 years, onboard time will be 14,38 years. That is, the 25-year old crew members will wake up 33 years after, being 64 years old.

The interesting destinations from the point of view of habitability for your species are 100 light years away from Earth, so even traveling at the maximum possible speed you will reach them when you are about 70 years old. If you want to be 25 years old by the time you reach your destination, your stasis process should allow you to subtract 45 years from your life.

The process is, as you can see, unfeasible. Not because in the future you cannot delay the aging of the body by 45 years (you will), but because brain development cannot be slowed down or stopped without causing irreparable cognitive damage.

You must find a way to "bottle" consciousness without needing a body.



Suppose you belong to a hypercivilization in the Alpha Mensae solar system, i.e., you are capable of manufacturing space vehicles that travel at the speed of light. Suppose your species is biological. Suppose you face no existential risk and yet you wish to travel to Earth. Suppose that, despite all this, consciousness cannot be separated from its substrate, the brain.

Under these conditions the question arises as to whether you really need to travel to experience what the Earth is like.

As you can see, even being a hypercivilization, the biological limit is insurmountable for your trip. However, that does not prevent you from visiting Earth and experiencing it. It would be enough for you to lie down in a room and inject into your brain all the simulations of the Earth that you have collected by probes. Remember that your probes can travel to Earth, but you cannot. Your simulations are so realistic that, for all intents and purposes, your brain cannot distinguish them from reality. For all intents and purposes it is as if you were on Earth.

Your simulations are so accurate that you can simulate the feel of fine beach sand, the smell of wet grass, the thousand colors of a sunset, frosted wastelands, an iceberg, or a jungle with its animals and sounds. Nothing in your brain, absolutely nothing, can distinguish the experience of a simulated Earth from the real Earth.

You can even simulate interaction with humans (a simulated one, that is). Your probes recorded all that when they visited Earth (when they moved slowly over fields collecting data, when they flew over oceans and lakes, when they plunged into storms, or when they scanned a poor farmer on a deserted road).

You don't need to travel to other planets to recreate them exactly in your brain. Your probes do.

This raises the question: what if everything you are experiencing right now is nothing more than a simulation of what it would be like to be a human being on a planet called Earth?

What if, after all, you are the real alien from Alpha Mensae right now? There was never a Fermi Paradox. Relax: we can stop the simulation the moment you really wish.



.... we must rest assured you are aware you do exist. Reality is what it is simulated, not you.

The only thing that separates you from insanity in a '___'verse hallucination is precisely to ensure that you know that no matter how strange everything seems to you, at least you exist. A simulation in which your ego dissolves and no longer knows how to be you would be fatal and cognitively lethal.

That you doubt whether you live in a simulation or not is what keeps you sane.



.... if the simulation of reality were perfect then it would be indistinguishable from reality and, therefore, the simulation would be reality. There would be no difference whatsoever, so one need not worry about whether or not one is living in a simulation.

Conversely, if the simulation were not perfect then it would not work and would not be of much use. It would only be a dubious entertainment.

If the simulation were perfect, all past, present and future events would be pre-programmed and free will would not exist. Things would not happen because one decides this or that: they would happen because the simulation requires it. In that case there would be nothing to learn from the simulation and, again, it would serve no purpose.

The only possibility is to simulate the environment, but not the agents, and let them act freely and make autonomous decisions. Only then would the simulation be of interest.

In other words: the truly terrifying thing about a hallucination is not how realistic it seems, but the fact that even knowing that it is a hallucination, it is terrifying.

The fun of a roller coaster is not in not knowing that it is just an entertainment: the fun is that even knowing that nothing can happen to you (except a catastrophic failure), despite that, it scares you and gives you an adrenaline rush.

The truth is that your reality is a simulation. You made it when you decided to create universes and see what possibilities there were to inhabit them, in order to escape from a universe in which you lived and which was collapsing.

(There are no other civilizations. There is only one: you. You reached the peak of your development, you colonized entire galaxies and the entire universe, a universe that was beginning to collapse. And you learned to create universes, to simulate them, to study whether or not they were habitable for you and your species. That's what you did. In the future.)



I don't know if you are familiar with the aestivation hypothesis. According to that hypothesis, once a civilization goes from type D (data) to type I (information), and from there to type K (knowledge), it enters a state called aestivation.

It is a state of quiescence, a chrysalis state. It remains in that state waiting for the temperature of the universe to be low enough to be able to use the final computation, the one that will allow it to become an E (experience) civilization. Do not forget that the thermodynamics of computation make the cost of a certain amount of computation proportional to the temperature.

According to the aestivation hypothesis, as the universe cools down, one Joule of energy is worth proportionally more, which yields a substantial (10 to the 30) gain. Hence a civilization desiring to maximize the amount of computation will want to use its energy endowment as late as possible: using it now means far less total computation can be done.

See, a civilization only has a fixed location in her infancy. Planets and stars are unstable and change. The civilization must then move. Worse, the Universe will eventually collapse, hence an E-civilization must move on to the next Universe, or create one in order to escape the collapse.

That state of aestivation explains why you don't see aliens: they are aestivating.

You will dream that you are in a dock of a huge spaceship, performing maintenance tasks, verifying that the life support system is working properly for each of the millions of capsules inside which you and yours sleep waiting for the moment when the temperature of the universe is low enough to allow you to perform the great experiment: to create the new universe. And jump into it.

Yes, I understand you feel it is a shame you have to go through all this what seems like eternal suffering, but it is necessary for your awakening to be adequate. I am sure you understand, and I am sure that, in your dreams, you have already guessed who you really are and why we are all together waiting for the moment.

(Keeping you alive inside your capsule for millions of years is complicated, but I'll take care of everything. Don't be afraid. When the time comes, you will be God. And I will cease, just as you programmed.).



Is not whether the Universe is a simulation or not (is not). It is whether you are dreaming of a Universe, or not. You are very real, and the Universe is very real. You are a very real person, in a state of stasis, dreaming in a real Universe.
And when what you dream seems very real to you, there is nothing in the Universe that can convince you that everything is simply a dream.

And if you also belong to a civilization that needs to survive the collapse of its Universe, and if to do so you must be in stasis, and if finally in stasis you must dream in order not to go mad, then... you must care little about the difference between the real and the dreamed.

You should care when you wake up. Although I know that on that day you will have lost faith in what is or is not real.

The simulation you created was so perfect that you forgot to implement a mechanism to let you know where the simulation starts and where it ends. Eight billion beings dreaming of each other in a ship in complete silence and darkness. Waiting to wake up, yet they will not be able to know that they have already woken up or not.

Being dead and not knowing it is much worse than simply being dead. To be alive and not know it is also a form of being dead. There is no superintelligence that can help you solve the dilemma.

(I've always marveled at all the universes that fit in a sleeping human brain, really).


It is a different concept to 'prison or school'!
Just thought you may like to read it?

[Pris]

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"Do you think Earth is a prison planet, or is it a school...?"

Lol aren't they the same thing? ;D

No although towards the end of school I started to hate it and it felt like a prison.


Kids don't have much experience. As we grow up, we learn what a prison is. We learn to recognize it. Then, we look around and realize, "Yes, this is a prison."




If you feel that life is a prison then that's just your feeling and not the truth.


Here, I suggested that "prison" and "school" may be the same thing with relation to Earth. Life on Earth may indeed be a prison for souls. Who knows? I used to be in a silly forum called, "The One Truth". I think you can see where I'm going with this.




Eight billion souls have wanted to come here even during these insane times, that alone should tell something. We aren't here so much to enjoy than we are here to learn and to evolve our consciousness. This is a really hard, and painful school. Who likes pain? No one of course, except maybe for the sadomasochists. Yet there's lots of beauty too, in fact the light can shine far brighter in the dark.

The beautiful lotus flower grows and thrives in the mud.


Presuming we had some foreknowledge, how do we know anyone really wanted to come here? We hear stories, many stories. Most of us aren't even aware of how much our thoughts are influenced by others. Without realizing it, people often take other people's stories and make them their own. They aren't living their own life, they are living somebody else's.

In the story of "The Lord of The Rings", Saruman created his army of fighting Uruk-hai from Elves that were tortured and mutilated. The idea of torturing and mutilating something already divine in order to make it "more beautiful" sounds like the reasoning and excuse of a sadist. The elves started out "elevated". Torture and mutilation ruined them. Saruman told the Uruk-hai that it was because of their torture and mutilation that they were "perfected". And, they believed him.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXPRxmHk6Q

[apokalypse]

since my awakening before 2011 thing...i do ask that question alot and looking in the sky are we in giant mother-ship and got lost in space where everyone lose memory? i feel like we live in kind of Matrix..you know how Neon and those guys plug that cord back of the neck into matrix and required to unplug that cord get out of matrix, i feel exact same thing...some one have said in here we might be criminal in this galaxy/stars and have us in this prison of Matrix. outside of matrix 1 day and within matrix is lifetime aka dreams.

right now i don't give a **** about life...i do scared of death that is Pain other one is soul aspect, people have mention about soul trap incarnation thing but what about Assist Death kind of thing? i just have theory popup in my head might have some high tech in that medicine to assist dead but at souls level...make it worst than soul trap incarnation, keeping us to stay in is matrix...i might think too much.

there's a question on other website..if you Win lotto still make you happy? have ask people even with mental illness said not happy at all...yes, with illusion of currency jackpot of $200m enable me to live like a king dream house million dollar mansion being sugardaddy or have all kind of girls and all kind of materialistic million dollar car for rest of life but that's before awakening...now my dream home is have inner peace live in carbin in woods/near ocean/jungle or even tent.

as l give a thought about this whole thing...biggest question is how the F i end up in this prison planet? as a child 9-10 year old kid ask what's meaning of Life...?

[Kalamos]

as l give a thought about this whole thing...biggest question is how the F i end up in this prison planet? as a child 9-10 year old kid ask what's meaning of Life...?

Hang in there. You are not alone. I don't think it matters too much what you are doing on Earth, but just your presence alone, at this time, might be helping to mitigate our collective karma. I do believe Good will triumph over Evil on this Earth, in the physical and Spiritual realms.

[apokalypse]

i have this thought since my awakening 2-3 years before 2011 and having alot more recent years especially now on how society we should live..this sound like communist/nazi stuff but society without ownership but belong to the public..everyone have to do something not for currency but for better of society.

[Pris]

We know that imposed, and authoritarian styles of learning are not ideal, this suits certain types of people more than others, for a great many 'good children' this initiates them into becoming complaint, cooperative citizens who respect official forms of restriction: probably not for many of us, here on this forum, I suspect many of us were the "Naughty Kids" of our schools, correct me if I am wrong here.
We know that school/prison are too much alike, with school obviously being a more benign version of a prison, but definitely possessing many of its features.


Interesting that you would describe school as "obviously being a more benign version of a prison". I question the "benign" part... When I look around at how our society has been structured, the school system has been used as an incredibly powerful weapon over the last several decades to instill compliance and submission in the budding new generations all the while successively stupefying them gradually over time. Hardly anyone even noticed. Now, look at what's happened in the last few years. Schools in many countries seem to be in lockstep accelerating the Marxist indoctrination plan laid out by globalists.

Highschool... The first time I got sent to the principal's office was for refusing to play grass hockey in dangerously frozen mud. I didn't want to break my ankles. The second time I got sent was because I refused to purchase the yearbook at my graduation. They said they'd pre-ordered them for everyone in advance (how very socialist of them) in order to get a good bulk price for the school. I said, that's nice, but you didn't ask me if I wanted one. You can't force me to pay for something I didn't want and didn't agree to in the first place. I was right, of course. They tried to guilt me into buying the yearbook by suggesting I'd regret not having it to remember my senior year. I told them I didn't want to remember it. Being sent to the principal's office was meant to intimidate me but it only cemented my resolve. Good times. :)

[Blastolabs]

We all have a choice to live in the prison or live in paradise.

Sounds cliche, but it is true.

[apokalypse]

after watching videos on Incarnation which many of us in here is soul trap thing...if became mainstream then everything gonna collapse and think about it we are family a very old soul.

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[palehorse]

I once heard it is some sort of hospital (like an hospice).. they foment the idea in Spiritism.
I do not define earth as this or that, it could be it all ..
What if there is a central enter/exit point for the soul out of this [EARTH]? are we attracted to the magnetic field of earth without a chance of escaping? Theories can be developed around all these wonderful ideas and probably there is many out there.. I won't hold strong to a single idea, not ever, it makes a perfect cult too.

I am quoting RAW here

"I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions."

[gord]

You could also see Earth as somebody's lab experiment. I don't know of anyone with this viewpoint, but there must be some out there.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I think the earth is a farm. Part of an intergalactic farming enterprise operating in the galaxy for many millennia...

[Pris]

You could also see Earth as somebody's lab experiment. I don't know of anyone with this viewpoint, but there must be some out there.

Have you even looked? :D

At the very least, the globalists have certainly turned Earth into their lab experiment. That much is clear.

There's the whole God creating the Earth and the forming of Adam and Eve with Eve being made out of Adam's "rib". Smells of a lab experiment.

Off the top of my head, there's Enki and Enlil. I'm certain there are people who believe in the tale of Enki and Enlil. That was a huge lab experiment.

Etc. etc.

If the globalists have their way, in a thousand years, "people" will look back and say the AI gods created the Earth and formed the transhumans from mud.

[apokalypse]

IF i'm advance Et's let say Tiger race what's better school than Earth? i could create this matrix aka earth and have people especially students living in matrix for spiritual.

[Pris]

You could also see Earth as somebody's lab experiment. I don't know of anyone with this viewpoint, but there must be some out there.

Have you even looked? :D

At the very least, the globalists have certainly turned Earth into their lab experiment. That much is clear.

There's the whole God creating the Earth and the forming of Adam and Eve with Eve being made out of Adam's "rib". Smells of a lab experiment.

Off the top of my head, there's Enki and Enlil. I'm certain there are people who believe in the tale of Enki and Enlil. That was a huge lab experiment.

Etc. etc.

If the globalists have their way, in a thousand years, "people" will look back and say the AI gods created the Earth and formed the transhumans from mud.


This is too hilarious -- I just posted what's above and then went onto the "Transgender Issues" thread and listened to a video that talked about practically the exact same thing. I call this a synchronicity lol.

Here's the video:

The-Talmudic-Androgynous-Agenda:6?lid=queue


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https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86729-Transgender-issues&p=1552893&viewfull=1#post1552893