Alex Jones Exposed?

[Twisted Flames]

Anyone truly aware of Alex Jones knows that Jones is a fear mongering Zionist Shill working for the CIA as a disinformation asset. I feel like I need to spread this information to Avalon, to prevent people who regularly watch him from falling victim to his nonsense.

1. David Duke exposing Alex Jones as a Zionist Shill. Absolutely hilarious, Jones couldn't even keep his stuff together. The Jones was so embarrassed that he took the whole debate down entirely from infowars and his youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRGAXt6qIn0

2. The Alex Jones Deception. William Cooper Exposing Alex Jones for what he really is: A fear mongering disinformation asset of the Jews and the CIA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHXdz4ApxOQ

Here is another video of William Cooper exposing Alex Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jJMYJbAKc

3. Alex Jones destroying a Austin protest Gun Rally. There's no better proof of who alex jones really works for than what is shown in this video. This is a must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXlgYnJ_xc

Here's a couple facts about Alex Jones

A) Alex Jones has over 34 Jewish Sponsers

B) Alex Jones wife is Jewish (I think that they divorced recently though. Still, the point remains.)

C) Alex Jones has admitted that he has a lot of family members that are in, and were in, the CIA. You might initially think that this is a good thing because he is related to people who are on the "inside" well that couldn't be farther from the truth.

D) Alex Jones is an open supporter of Donald Trump, a wall street Multi Billionaire scam artist who has business ties with Israel, has connections with the Clintons, links to organized crime and who's father was in the KKK. How interesting.

E) Alex Jones knowingly spreads false information from the people who call in to his radio show without even verifying anything they say, as outlined in the William cooper video above.

[Curiosity]

Before I research these claims I'll say that none of this makes any sense. Why? Because he is on the side of exposing the truth, digging into areas that the elite want to hide etc. on the side of conspiracy theories.
Also what does having Jewish ties have any bearings on the validity of subjects..

I'll admit he is off the wall crazy acting some times but that doesn't change the facts that he brings to the table.

The fact that he has ties to people inside the CIA is probably a good source of his info, after all how many whistle blowers work for or are retied from the CIA or other Gov agencies?

So I'll investigate these claims and see if it changes my views.

[Twisted Flames]

He is not spreading the truth, he is spreading false information. For God's sake, just look at his youtube channel, he has about 30 videos up there supporting Donald Trump. The fact that he is trying to paint a wall street billionaire in a good light is proof in itself of who he really works for.

[Curiosity]

He is not spreading the truth, he is spreading false information. For God's sake, just look at his youtube channel, he has about 30 videos up there supporting Donald Trump. The fact that he is trying to paint a wall street billionaire in a good light is proof in itself of who he really works for.

Well you have a good point there. But that's not enough.

[Twisted Flames]

And having Jewish ties discredits his whole act entirely. you do realize that a lot of big bankers are jews. Our previous chairman of the Fed was Jewish. So how is alex jones going to be "anti NWO" and "spreading the truth" when he has ties to the most wealthiest and most powerful individuals in the world? Makes no sense at all.

[Shannon]

Before I research these claims I'll say that none of this makes any sense. Why? Because he is on the side of exposing the truth, digging into areas that the elite want to hide etc. on the side of conspiracy theories.
Also what does having Jewish ties have any bearings on the validity of subjects..

I'll admit he is off the wall crazy acting some times but that doesn't change the facts that he brings to the table.

The fact that he has ties to people inside the CIA is probably a good source of his info, after all how many whistle blowers work for or are retied from the CIA or other Gov agencies?

So I'll investigate these claims and see if it changes my views.


Most people who I would say are "waking up to the truth", have been awaken by that loud mouth, and then found real voices of substance. He does a good job at getting people to look over here. Most people don't stick to his shtick and move on to deeper stuff. I don't care if his wife is Jewish, what does have that have to do with the price of milk?

[Curiosity]

Before I research these claims I'll say that none of this makes any sense. Why? Because he is on the side of exposing the truth, digging into areas that the elite want to hide etc. on the side of conspiracy theories.
Also what does having Jewish ties have any bearings on the validity of subjects..

I'll admit he is off the wall crazy acting some times but that doesn't change the facts that he brings to the table.

The fact that he has ties to people inside the CIA is probably a good source of his info, after all how many whistle blowers work for or are retied from the CIA or other Gov agencies?

So I'll investigate these claims and see if it changes my views.


Most people who I would say are "waking up to the truth", have been awaken by that loud mouth, and then found real voices of substance. He does a good job at getting people to look over here. Most people don't stick to his shtick and move on to deeper stuff. I don't care if his wife is Jewish, what does have that have to do with the price of milk?

Just like any news outlet, media source , politician etc., you have to part the sea of rhetoric to see the valuable info, if there be any. Alex Jones is no different. He has a gimmick, says things to get attention, gain ratings and so on. I have a hard time listening to him for the most part but the things he talks about, for the most part, I've already learned elsewhere from credible sources. He just comes off a bit wacky in his presentations.

[Curiosity]

So my preliminary look into this subject I say; HOLY WHAT THE? What a tangled web of spy vs spy who's who mess. Don't even know if I want to go there.

[enfoldedblue]

I have always felt that Jones was spreading fear and operating as a controlled opposition agent. However i find this post racist. TPTB use religion..any religion... simply as a tool. I don't think it is useful to focus on one group...there are many people who identify with the Jewish faith who are in no way connected to those who cotrol from behind the scenes.

[Curiosity]

So it seems Milton William Cooper was doing the same thing as Alex Jones is doing, exposing secret societies, new world order, 9/11 conspiracies etc.etc.

A book he wrote before he was killed.

Secret Societies / New World Order: by Milton William Cooper
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/secret_societies_nwo.htm

William Cooper predicts 9/11 and more.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/04/milton-william-bill-cooper-predicts-911-and-more-on-june-28-2001-2622626.html

So I suspect there was some rivalry between the two and had disagreements, accusations were flung back and forth and eventually calling one another liars etc. You know the game.

Now somebody (CIA SHILLS) are trying to smear Jones with Coopers accusations. You never know who's who in a world of spy vs spy.

[OopsWrongPlanet?]

THanks for this thread, Twisted Flames. Plenty to follow up on here, and to form our own conclusions. That's what it's all about, isn't it?

[Curiosity]

He was doing the exact same thing Alex Jones is doing.

"Milton William "Bill" Cooper (May 6, 1943 – November 6, 2001) was an American conspiracy theorist, radio broadcaster, and author best known for his 1991 book Behold a Pale Horse, in which he warned of multiple global conspiracies, some involving extraterrestrial aliens.[1][2][3] Cooper also described HIV/AIDS as a man-made disease used to target blacks, Hispanics, and homosexuals, and that a cure was made before it was implemented.[4] He has been described as a "militia theoretician".[5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper

[Curiosity]

I have always felt that Jones was spreading fear and operating as a controlled opposition agent. However i find this post racist. TPTB use religion..any religion... simply as a tool. I don't think it is useful to focus on one group...there are many people who identify with the Jewish faith who are in no way connected to those who cotrol from behind the scenes.

I didn't want to say it, so thanks, you are correct. The statements from that author are absolutely racist.

[Curiosity]

THanks for this thread, Twisted Flames. Plenty to follow up on here, and to form our own conclusions. That's what it's all about, isn't it?

Where would we be without the opportunity to expand our knowledge?
Before this thread I didn't know anything about Milton William Cooper.

[Curiosity]

He is not spreading the truth, he is spreading false information. For God's sake, just look at his youtube channel, he has about 30 videos up there supporting Donald Trump. The fact that he is trying to paint a wall street billionaire in a good light is proof in itself of who he really works for.

Well you have a good point there. But that's not enough.

This thread has got my interest. When I said this wasn't enough I was referring to him supporting Trump. This is nothing more than a political move on Jone's part. And possibly an attempt at discouraging Trump supporters on the authors part.. But I'm interested in hearing what false information you think Jones is spreading. I agree he is some what of a fear monger. But honestly it doesn't take much to look like a fear monger when you are dealing with conspiracy theories.

[OMG]

Alex has issues to be sure and people with any discernment can clearly see them. But as a previous post notes, he does get a lot of people to pay attention to necessary issues yet inevitably they move on to deeper stuff if they stick with it.

But the Jewish comments are clearly short sighted and racist since the corrupt Zionist faction of the Israeli people have nothing to do with the so-called average Jew. Just like the so-called average Muslim isn't a radical terrorist although there are radical Muslims in the Islamic Religion.

Personally I feel most religions are misguided, and some have dangerous scriptures if taken literally. Yet I think most people just want to live in peace and love their family, friends just like we all do. And if people think clearly in order for this happen we ALL must be tolerant and love each other a we do ourselves or as we do with our own family, our factions, our countries, our race, etc.

Come on OP really!

[araucaria]

This topic has already been covered in quite some detail on the forum, probably several times. Check out the old threads.

[Mike Gorman]

Alex Jones Exposed -My Arse - there seem to be a few of these people about who cling to this obsession about 'Zionists' being behind all the woes of the world, regardless Alex Jones simply is no shill, or CIA operative and he certainly is not 'Bill Hicks'-yes there are some deluded (I'm tempted to say 'Shills') who put this story about - there is no way in any universe inhabited by rational beings that Alex Jones works for the CIA he is a libertarian American man who has gotten off his backside and put a credible media company together to challenge the pre-digested pap Americans are fed in the name of news and social commentary. Alex Jones is not perfect, or the savior of mankind but he is having a go-and by heck he has gotten lot further than some of these idiots with their 'Zionist' mental illness.

[Bill Ryan]

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I've just edited the thread title to add a question mark to the proposition. :)

I do understand that Alex is usually careful not to be too critical of Israel (this is very well-known), but I'm sure he's 100% for real. If his many angry, out-of-control emotional rants are all faked, he should have got an Oscar a few days ago!

He may have to play some of his cards carefully, but I'd be quite certain he's not working for anyone. He always (very wisely and responsibly) urges RESTRAINT to anyone who might fall for the many traps and triggers to pick up arms and add fuel to any possible civil-war-martial-law fire that many believe is the current agenda. Any true Cointelpro asset would be advocating violence and revolt.

[Lilje]

Hey, interesting thread :) I also think that Alex Jones indeed is one of the main channels that attract people towards finding out the truth about many events and optimally peoples´research also continue outside Alex´s websites. However, to me it seems that he does not currently pose a substantial threat to those people who run this planet, as there has an always will be some degree of resistance. In fact, several political psychologists have pointed out the importance of letting resistance exist, as it is only after leaders try to fully suffocate resistance when people start getting extremely frustrated and rioting. So, I think that it is actually good for the NWO agenda to let people process information through websites like Alex´s AS LONG AS the group of people doing this remains a minority of controllable size. Media smear campaigns that emphasise his emotional outbursts/crazy personality etc. should keep most obedient citizens away from his site anyway :) So, I think that only once massive mobilisation is achieved through his (or others) channels, should there be reason for the zionist elite to do a counter strike what ever that may be. Surely they are monitoring Alex Jones moves on regular bases. Like Bill Ryan said in one of his videos, many people just watch TV and media as a form of alternative news outlet or even entertainment without concretely reacting to it somehow. I think that as long as that is the case there is very little threat posed to the status quo.

[Hawkwind]

This topic has been covered before, although the last discussion of it got rather abruptly shut down by the mods. I personally believe that AJ is a controlled opposition agent, but I can’t prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt to anyone. As to the question of why the powers that be would place someone in the role of exposing things they would rather remain hidden, one of their most common tactics is to control both sides of a conflict and thereby control the resolution of the conflict. It makes perfect sense.

Yes, AJ has played a large part in waking a lot of people up, but his vitriolic, over the top outbursts also play a large role in keeping a lot of others asleep. From personal experience, the louder and more emotional I am about trying to tell the uninitiated about what’s really going on in the world, the fewer of them are willing to listen. I’m fairly sure the powers that be are well aware of that fact as well. So, again, it would make perfect sense to employ someone with a bullhorn to rant about subjects they don’t want people to give attention to.

Yes, most of the information presented by AJ in particular and Infowars in general is true, but then so is most of the information presented by Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. In order to maintain any credibility, most of the information presented has to be true. By omitting critical information and focusing attention away from critical issues, however, discussions can be steered as desired.

All in all, I’d say it’s important to recognize the fact that at least some people within the alternative media community are shills. So, don’t get hooked on taking information presented by any source as unquestionably true. At the same time, discounting the verifiability of every source would leave us lost and directionless. Nobody on this plane of existence is privy to the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So, examine as many of the puzzle pieces as you can from as many perspectives as you have available and take your best shot at putting them together. As new information becomes available your view of the truth will change, and that’s okay.

[Bill Ryan]

This topic has been covered before, although the last discussion of it got rather abruptly shut down by the mods.

True. :) But the only reason we close a thread is if the discussion becomes uncivil, unuseful or unintelligent. So far, so good on this one. :thumbsup: The shared purpose is for all of us (including 10-15x as many guests as members visiting every day) to become better informed and more aware.

To find the previous threads on this, go to Advanced Search (top right of any page, or click here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php?search_type=1)), and enter "Alex Jones" in inverted commas. Use these settings:

http://projectavalon.net/Alex_Jones_search.gif

[Matt P]

As others have said, this conversation has been had many times before so I won't elaborate other than to say a couple things. Saint Theresa, you nailed it. That describes me, too. AJ supports Trump for rather obvious reasons. Trump has spoken 9/11 truth, has been on AJ's show as a guest, wants to audit the Fed, end the TPP, end Common Core and ObamaCare, stop ILLEGAL immigration and a host of other things that AJ has supported in his own show. No other candidate has spoken so much truth and AJ always supports that kind of candidate, regardless of party.
As for what Trump's father did 100 years ago, I find this an absurd point against him. Can you imagine if we based our support of candidates on what their fathers might have done when THEY were young?? Oh my. Just makes it sound desperate. I do agree that there are some issues with AJ but there are with most people.

Matt

[Andre]

I don't listen to Alex Jones very much but he most definitely is exposing a lot of hidden truths so I have strong doubts that he is a a CIA Operative or shill. However, if it is true that he has Jewish sponsors, it would explain the assertions as to why he doesn't criticize Israel very much. Having said that, I certainly can't understand why he would support that megalomaniac Trump.

[lucidity]

Anyone truly aware of Alex Jones knows that Jones is a fear mongering Zionist Shill working for the CIA as a disinformation asset. I feel like I need to spread this information to Avalon, to prevent people who regularly watch him from falling victim to his nonsense.

1. David Duke exposing Alex Jones as a Zionist Shill. Absolutely hilarious, Jones couldn't even keep his stuff together. The Jones was so embarrassed that he took the whole debate down entirely from infowars and his youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRGAXt6qIn0

2. The Alex Jones Deception. William Cooper Exposing Alex Jones for what he really is: A fear mongering disinformation asset of the Jews and the CIA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHXdz4ApxOQ

Here is another video of William Cooper exposing Alex Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jJMYJbAKc

3. Alex Jones destroying a Austin protest Gun Rally. There's no better proof of who alex jones really works for than what is shown in this video. This is a must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXlgYnJ_xc

Here's a couple facts about Alex Jones

A) Alex Jones has over 34 Jewish Sponsers

B) Alex Jones wife is Jewish (I think that they divorced recently though. Still, the point remains.)

C) Alex Jones has admitted that he has a lot of family members that are in, and were in, the CIA. You might initially think that this is a good thing because he is related to people who are on the "inside" well that couldn't be farther from the truth.

D) Alex Jones is an open supporter of Donald Trump, a wall street Multi Billionaire scam artist who has business ties with Israel, has connections with the Clintons, links to organized crime and who's father was in the KKK. How interesting.

E) Alex Jones knowingly spreads false information from the people who call in to his radio show without even verifying anything they say, as outlined in the William cooper video above.


This is absolutely correct.
Alex jones presents diatribes of emotionally charged accusations.
What he doesn't do is offer intellectual arguments, calmly presented and supported by evidence.

It was only last September that Alex Jones gave one of his 'special news reports'
In which he claimed that something 'big' was going down.
That the elite were leaving the planet, or bugging out in their safe mansions oversees.
That the economy was going to collapse, that fema camps were a prelude to martial law
and that americans should go and get guns and learn how to use them.

I said, at the time, it was a load of histrionics.
Was there a financial collapse ? No.
Was martial law declared ? No.
Did the elite leave the planet ? Alas, they seem to still be here.

However Bill Ryan and Alex Jones are friends.
So you're not allowed to say bad things about Alex Jones.
Even when he says the most outlandish of things.

It questions the impartiality of projectavalon and
it also questions the sincerely of the avalon "round table" principle
of searching for the truth, where ever it may lead.

And i expect, for such seditious truths, i'll be thrown off the site. We'll see.

Be happy

lucidity

[Bill Ryan]

Bill Ryan and Alex Jones are friends.


Not at all — I've never contacted or corresponded with him, and I doubt he knows I exist. :)

[Hawkwind]

The shared purpose is for all of us (including 10-15x as many guests as members visiting every day) to become better informed and more aware.
And the last thing we need is to waste energy fighting each other rather than focusing on the problem(s) at hand.


... Trump has spoken 9/11 truth, has been on AJ's show as a guest, wants to audit the Fed, end the TPP, end Common Core and ObamaCare, stop ILLEGAL immigration and a host of other things that AJ has supported in his own show. No other candidate has spoken so much truth and AJ always supports that kind of candidate, regardless of party. ...

Not to go too far off topic, but this is one of the central problems with the entire political process as it stands. Candidates can say they support or will do almost anything, but have zero accountability to actually carry through on campaign promises if elected.

[lucidity]

This topic has been covered before, although the last discussion of it got rather abruptly shut down by the mods. I personally believe that AJ is a controlled opposition agent, but I can’t prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt to anyone. As to the question of why the powers that be would place someone in the role of exposing things they would rather remain hidden, one of their most common tactics is to control both sides of a conflict and thereby control the resolution of the conflict. It makes perfect sense.


+1 Hawkwind.

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Bill Ryan and Alex Jones are friends.


Not at all — I've never contacted or corresponded with him, and I doubt he knows I exist. :)


You failed to address the 'real' issue:



It questions the impartiality of projectavalon and
it also questions the sincerely of the avalon "round table" principle
of searching for the truth, where ever it may lead.


be happy

lucidity

[Twisted Flames]

@mpennery

1. "Trump has Spoken 911 truth"

False. He's just doing it to make himself look better. He hasn't said anything that we don't already know. As a matter of fact, not too long ago a reporter pitched him a couple questions regarding 9/11 and trump ignored him entirely, calling him a "conspiracy theorist."

"Trump wants to audit the fed"

2. Yeah, so what? Auditing the Fed won't do any damage to the fed, lol. Auditing the fed will let trump overview their transactions, which will only benefit himself, not the American people.

We learned our first hard lesson when we elected bush, but that wasn't enough. We learned another hard lesson when we elected Obama, and that still wasn't enough. I guess America won't learn until its too late.

[Matt P]

Lucidity, there have been many even on this site who have predicted "something big" coming, a financial collapse and many other calamities...that haven't happened. And yet thankfully here you are, still participating. No site or personality has ALL the right answers from what I've seen (if there is that ONE voice, show me please ;) ). All sites require our perception to sift through and discover the truth. Jones, while obviously, yes, spewing a lot of crap and refusing to go where the truth does many times...has also shared more truthful information than all the corporate "news" combined in my opinion. You and I both know that if anyone goes all the way to the truth (with his kind of audience numbers), they usually end up dead. I personally can't listen to him anymore but that doesn't mean I can't still sometimes recognize some beneficial value to the information he shares.
I love the balance you bring, I am NOT a Trump cheerleader and I criticize Jones more than most...but...I just personally believe it's not a simple black and white issue.

Staying happy here...

Matt

p.s. to Hawkwind ["Candidates can say they support or will do almost anything, but have zero accountability to actually carry through on campaign promises if elected."]. So true. As a curious observer of this election (I will not vote on the rigged machines, in a fake election) I am interested in what they say only as study for what happens after it's over. I know lying is the standard campaign tactic and I will wait and see what they DO.

[Matt P]

@mpennery

1. "Trump has Spoken 911 truth"

False. He's just doing it to make himself look better. He hasn't said anything that we don't already know. As a matter of fact, not too long ago a reporter pitched him a couple questions regarding 9/11 and trump ignored him entirely, calling him a "conspiracy theorist."

"Trump wants to audit the fed"

2. Yeah, so what? Auditing the Fed won't do any damage to the fed, lol. Auditing the fed will let trump overview their transactions, which will only benefit himself, not the American people.

We learned our first hard lesson when we elected bush, but that wasn't enough. We learned another hard lesson when we elected Obama, and that still wasn't enough. I guess America won't learn until its too late.

1) Name one other candidate that has even once breathed a hint of the Bush administration being responsible for 9/11. He can't just come out and say it. He'd be done if he did. I can promise you he knows the deal, though.

2) How do you know auditing the FED won't have an impact? Never been done before. 'Sure worth a try. Other than Ron Paul, name one other leading presidential candidate that has made it a campaign point to do so.

We didn't elect Bush. You DO know the 2000 election was completely fraudulent, right?

I am not a Trump supporter but I AM fascinated that he is saying things that candidates are usually laughed off the stage for.

[Ciaran]

Don’t really know why this thread was created in the first place, anyone who listens to anybody presenting the “Truth” and doesn’t source other information from different sources to confirm or deny the validity of that truth is a fu*king idiot if you ask me, regardless of wither he is or isn’t a shill doesn’t matter it's up to the person or persons to seek the truth to the best of their ability, I personally don’t think he is a disinformation agent because he has highlighted enough information regarding the elites to alert people to their existence and their ultimate goals, and I don’t know about the rest of the Avalon community but the bohemian grove expose he's done was certainly not in the interests of these psychopaths and I personally don’t think they would want anyone to know that this is who they really are and what they get up to, considering that they have been hiding this element for a very long time.

[TargeT]

You failed to address the 'real' issue:



It questions the impartiality of projectavalon and
it also questions the sincerely of the avalon "round table" principle
of searching for the truth, where ever it may lead.


be happy

lucidity



I've reviewed the information in the OP... it's hardly conclusive, besides; show me one person with out some kind of agenda, if you are looking for a 100% unbiased source of information you are going to be looking for a long time.

With that in mind, I'm not so sure how people not agreeing with you alters the impartiality of PA in an unnatural way; this is typical. If I don't agree with the information you put forward I'm not going to give it much mental effort.

Don't snap at the forum admins or mods over this issue, there are some topics that are worthy of that reaction but this doesn't seem like one.


Don’t really know why this thread was created in the first place, anyone who listens to anybody presenting the “Truth” and doesn’t source other information from different sources to confirm or deny the validity of that truth is a fu*king idiot if you ask me, regardless of wither he is or isn’t a shill doesn’t matter it's up to the person or persons to seek the truth to the best of their ability, .



Well said.

[Bill Ryan]

You failed to address the 'real' issue:



It questions the impartiality of projectavalon and
it also questions the sincerely of the avalon "round table" principle
of searching for the truth, where ever it may lead.


Well, as a comment on that, do note that we're not 'impartial' about the Flat Earth, or a fair bunch of other stuff! But if you're referring to closing threads which may give the [wrong] impression of censorship, as I mentioned here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89159-Alex-Jones-Exposed&p=1050117&viewfull=1#post1050117) (post #22), we certainly every now and then close threads that are uncivil, unuseful, or unintelligent.

The criterion is really whether they kind of serve a useful purpose or not. (Some threads just do more damage than they create good things for the community.) But here, and so far so good, there's no reason at all to intervene with this discussion as long as it doesn't become a custard-pie fight. :)

[Cidersomerset]

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Uploaded on 1 Jun 2010

For decades, some of the world's most powerful people have come together to form
a secret society known as the Bilderberg group. The secrets of Bilderberg's role in
the financial crisis have been revealed in the halls of the European Union
parliament. Alex Jones says that people across the globe are finally awakening to
how the Bilderberg group has manipulated the world's economies to benefit
themselves.

===================================================


Alex certainly has his agendas and 1776 is very prominent in his 'rants'

I listen to some of his articles and discussions as I do the BBC , RT, D.Icke and
many others including various alternate sources and I don't get to distracted with
some of his more colourful rhetoric. For me especially now in the UK with the in
out EU vote coming up , its more important than ever to try and expose the hidden
hands who run this global circus. Alex has been one of those that has been trying
to expose these elites imo whether you like his style or even think he is a double
agent. Everyone gets accused sooner or later of being something they are not .
Most of the alternate community have been criticised in various threads and
articles , its up to individual interpretations of the information they are trying to
expose. It should be the 'message ' not the 'messenger' that matters , but we are
human and we all have individual bias, and mine is Nick Pope , but you never know
he may surprise me yet ...LOL

[cuitlahuac]

Anyone truly aware of Alex Jones knows that Jones is a fear mongering Zionist Shill working for the CIA as a disinformation asset. I feel like I need to spread this information to Avalon, to prevent people who regularly watch him from falling victim to his nonsense.

1. David Duke exposing Alex Jones as a Zionist Shill. Absolutely hilarious, Jones couldn't even keep his stuff together. The Jones was so embarrassed that he took the whole debate down entirely from infowars and his youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRGAXt6qIn0

2. The Alex Jones Deception. William Cooper Exposing Alex Jones for what he really is: A fear mongering disinformation asset of the Jews and the CIA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHXdz4ApxOQ

Here is another video of William Cooper exposing Alex Jones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jJMYJbAKc

3. Alex Jones destroying a Austin protest Gun Rally. There's no better proof of who alex jones really works for than what is shown in this video. This is a must watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntXlgYnJ_xc

Here's a couple facts about Alex Jones

A) Alex Jones has over 34 Jewish Sponsers

B) Alex Jones wife is Jewish (I think that they divorced recently though. Still, the point remains.)

C) Alex Jones has admitted that he has a lot of family members that are in, and were in, the CIA. You might initially think that this is a good thing because he is related to people who are on the "inside" well that couldn't be farther from the truth.

D) Alex Jones is an open supporter of Donald Trump, a wall street Multi Billionaire scam artist who has business ties with Israel, has connections with the Clintons, links to organized crime and who's father was in the KKK. How interesting.

E) Alex Jones knowingly spreads false information from the people who call in to his radio show without even verifying anything they say, as outlined in the William cooper video above.

All of this could be true or not true, but as long as Alex Jones puts the links and sources for his statements then you can verify for yourself if what he is telling you is true or not true.

[Domo67]

It seems to me that Alex Jones is very much part of the globalists agenda, one that vilifies the current leadership in the west in order to usher in a far more all encompassing NWO that is as yet to be defined but certainly seems to be forming in the east and run by the same masters at a higher level.

I also find the character he plays in front of the camera 'hammy' to say the least.

Ken's blog re-defining god goes into this in more detail, well worth the read IMO.

http://redefininggod.com/2015/10/globalist-prophecy-watch-update-1-alex-jones-and-the-christ-conspiracy/

[swoods_blue]

I too have been giving a lot of thought to Alex Jones over the past couple weeks, specifically prompted by his support of Donald Trump.

I don't want to get into liberal/conservative polarizations, and I sure don't want to invite partisanship into this thread at all. I will just say that many of the words that come out of Donald Trump's mouth, and the way he acts, are TO ME self-evidently NOT the signs of emotional maturity and level-headed intelligence that I would seek in a public servant. And this seems like it would be obvious to the vast majority of Americans as well, including Alex Jones. The idea of Trump being in command of the U.S. armed forces, or trying to negotiate a federal budget, or not embarassing himself and us while meeting with foriegn leaders are all laughable. So, on the one hand, I am really dismayed that so many people are voting for that type of leadership, and supporting the same old agendas of division.

BUT... But... The American electorate had a hard look a numerous traditional politicians this cycle, and clearly they are losing interest in that old formula. Even well-connected, well-known, well-financed pols like Jeb Bush and Chris Christie had to drop out because they attracted almost zero support from voters. On the Democtratic side, the once-presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton, who Americans have known for nearly 25 years, suddenly has her hands full with a challenger who was virtually unknown to most people a year ago, and he's only an arms-length Democrat at best.

Filmmaker Michael Moore, no fan of Trump's sort of politics, says that he thinks this is all performance art, of a sort. An over-the-top campaign strategy that Trump has adopted deliberately to troll the Republican Party, saying things that Trump himself doesn't believe. Maybe. But there are a couple dangers here: That Trump stokes fires he can't ultimately control, or that he'll succeed and find he really enjoys being treated as a demogogue.

So maybe Jones is investing too much hope in Trump, and maybe he's blinding himself to Trump's autocratic and warlike tendancies. He clearly isn't troubled enough by Trump's racial and religious divisiveness, or Trump's hollow claims to be a Christian. But maybe he's focused on Trump's status as an agent of disruption -- the wrecking ball the old political system needs. If there's going to be a realignment of political parties, or better yet, a shattering of old political structures and paradigms, maybe Trump is a necessary step along that road. He's certainly shaking up all the old power structures of the G.O.P.

Anyhow, one of the best tools I've learned from Project Camelot and Project Avalon, and their most enlightening witnesses, is that you have to listen for what resonates with you. With Alex, my heart tells me he shares a lot of good information, but that he's still enmeshed deeply in duality thinking. He gets wrapped up in the battles he's waging -- which does make him an effective warrior, but which also prevents him from viewing events with detachment. He oversimplifies the various competing agendas, and he still buys into too much of the old partisanship. He spreads a lot of fear.

I'm fascinated at how he's able to continue doing what he does without being "taken down." I think he's careful about respecting certain boundaries, and I think he has an eye for ratings as well. After all, he has a business to run.

I'm leaning toward this assessment of Alex: He's not a controlled asset, but he may be influenced by other agencies or powers at times -- I'm sure they try. Maybe he passes along disinfo at times without knowing it; maybe he has had to make a deal to steer clear of some topics. As other posters here have said, he has his "issues." But I do think he has illuminated some dark corners, and clued in a lot of people that things are not as they are presented on the pre-digested news networks. Even the name of his outfit -- "Infowars" -- raises people's awareness about the importance of the mental environment. So on balance, I think he's prying open many things that a lot of powerful people would prefer stay closed.

[TargeT]

I'm fascinated at how he's able to continue doing what he does without being "taken down."

This is a key point for me as well.

Either he's controlled opposition, or allowed to exist because he's damaging enough that he becomes a "write off" character or insult used to debase arguments.

either way, he's allowed a LOT of "TV" time & anyone who gets that makes me very suspicious, TV is a tool of propaganda & almost nothing on that medium is free of heavy bias/agenda/deception at some level (if not just simple consumerism).

So clearly I'm not free of suspicion on this topic, but I don't think it's necessary to label and categorize A. Jones (polarize); he serves a roll... I watched Obama Deception probably 20 times & don't regret what I gained from at least contemplating his energetic diatribes.

[Calz]

I'm fascinated at how he's able to continue doing what he does without being "taken down."

This is a key point for me as well.

Either he's controlled opposition, or allowed to exist because he's damaging enough that he becomes a "write off" character or insult used to debase arguments.

either way, he's allowed a LOT of "TV" time & anyone who gets that makes me very suspicious, TV is a tool of propaganda & almost nothing on that medium is free of heavy bias/agenda/deception at some level (if not just simple consumerism).

So clearly I'm not free of suspicion on this topic, but I don't think it's necessary to label and categorize A. Jones (polarize); he serves a roll... I watched Obama Deception probably 20 times & don't regret what I gained from at least contemplating his energetic diatribes.


Yep ... so many levels of sh!t to stir.

I have mentioned before (elsewhere) he is a gatekeeper in that he doesn't mention Zionists or Jesuits. To do with his wife??? No idea.


Yet he brings more truth than all the msm in amerika perhaps 100 fold.


Any msm sending out real investigative reporters these days???


Of course not ... they read the state script or lose their jobs. Not hard to see ... for many years actually.


As far as I can tell ... this is as close to accessible truth about what is happening in amerika that I am aware of ...

[Wide-Eyed]

Before I research these claims I'll say that none of this makes any sense. Why? Because he is on the side of exposing the truth, digging into areas that the elite want to hide etc. on the side of conspiracy theories.
Also what does having Jewish ties have any bearings on the validity of subjects..

I'll admit he is off the wall crazy acting some times but that doesn't change the facts that he brings to the table.

The fact that he has ties to people inside the CIA is probably a good source of his info, after all how many whistle blowers work for or are retied from the CIA or other Gov agencies?

So I'll investigate these claims and see if it changes my views.

Whaaaat?? .... keep us posted please, this is all hard work and time consuming and no one is paying us to sell info and vitamins but the Jewish shill stuff keep diggin I guess. Everyone has a target on their backs in alt. media and truth movements that's what being a pioneer is like you get a lot of arrows in the back.

[East Sun]

I watch Infowars daily and also PA.
Why. I wonder, does Alex constantly bombard viewers with H Clintons' image as well as obamma's. Makes me nauseous, literally.......

[Calz]

I would hazard to guess that is because that is the intent.

... not that either mentioned takes much encouragement to draw such feelings.

[Curiosity]

I'm fascinated at how he's able to continue doing what he does without being "taken down."

This is a key point for me as well.

Either he's controlled opposition, or allowed to exist because he's damaging enough that he becomes a "write off" character or insult used to debase arguments.

either way, he's allowed a LOT of "TV" time & anyone who gets that makes me very suspicious, TV is a tool of propaganda & almost nothing on that medium is free of heavy bias/agenda/deception at some level (if not just simple consumerism).

So clearly I'm not free of suspicion on this topic, but I don't think it's necessary to label and categorize A. Jones (polarize); he serves a roll... I watched Obama Deception probably 20 times & don't regret what I gained from at least contemplating his energetic diatribes.

Hey TargeT, you answered the question," why doesn't Jones get taken down?" with, "he serves a roll." He is a tool even for the elite. His eccentric, crazy nutty way of presentation play's into labeling him and his material as "conspiracy theorist nut cases".

As for his connection or support for Trump, I believe it's related to the fact that Trump appeals to specific groups, 'conspiracy theorist' which Jones pushes. I wouldn't doubt Trump campaign has funneled $$$s his way too?

On that note, most people know that what comes out of Trump's mouth is just that, to appeal to specific groups and mind sets. Trolling for votes.

This might sound, well a bit nutty, but, I think Trump is a plant to draw votes simply to survey where the mind set of the American people is. If not I'm sure the controlling elite use the presidential election as such so they now where and how to focus their oppression.

[drgreig]

If what we get from Alex "Jesuit" Jones is the The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth - then he would be nothing more than a martyr - very much like any other teaching us of The Truth. He would be dead and no longer able to teach us anything more of The Truth. That is the reality. Any "truther" that is left to live another day to tell us more truth - IS NOTHING MORE THAN A DISINFO AGENT.

Get it into you - this man, Alex Jones, is a sell-out. A traitor to humanity.

[Hawkwind]

Don’t really know why this thread was created in the first place, anyone who listens to anybody presenting the “Truth” and doesn’t source other information from different sources to confirm or deny the validity of that truth is a fu*king idiot if you ask me, regardless of wither he is or isn’t a shill doesn’t matter it's up to the person or persons to seek the truth to the best of their ability, ...

Okay, fair enough, but isn’t it in our interest to share information regarding the overall credibility or lack thereof for any given source of information? The likelihood of coming across any metaphorical smoking gun is virtually nil. Even if such evidence were presented, it would no doubt be denied as fabricated. As is the case with the JFK assassination or the events of 9/11, the only people who know for sure what happened are the actual perpetrators involved. That doesn’t mean it’s not worth examining the evidence available.

After having followed the man for years and looking at the evidence for and against the accusation that he’s a controlled opposition agent, I believe the evidence for outweighs the evidence against. I don’t, however, consider the evidence strong enough to be definitive. It’s just my considered opinion. I opened a thread to discuss the subject some time back, and while I didn’t see it as “uncivil, unuseful or unintelligent”, I did agree that it was probably causing the forum more harm than good. Opinions polarized, tempers flared and there pretty clearly wasn’t ever going to be sufficient evidence to reach any sort of mutually agreed conclusion. The mods essentially declared a hung jury and closed the thread.

This thread is essentially a reopening of the case, but honestly, I don’t think anything new has thus far been brought to the table.

[Curiosity]

If what we get from Alex "Jesuit" Jones is the The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nothing But The Truth - then he would be nothing more than a martyr - very much like any other teaching us of The Truth. He would be dead and no longer able to teach us anything more of The Truth. That is the reality. Any "truther" that is left to live another day to tell us more truth - IS NOTHING MORE THAN A DISINFO AGENT.

Get it into you - this man, Alex Jones, is a sell-out. A traitor to humanity.

If that were true there would be a lot more dead whistle blowers and truth seekers throughout history that have brought forth actual hard physical evidence proving their theories.

[13th Warrior]

Anyone truly aware of Alex Jones knows that Jones is a fear mongering Zionist Shill working for the CIA as a disinformation asset. 



You left out that Alex wants to nuke the unborn gay Wales...

...I suppose passion could be confused with fear mongering...

[GlassSteagallfan]

He is not spreading the truth, he is spreading false information. For God's sake, just look at his youtube channel, he has about 30 videos up there supporting Donald Trump. The fact that he is trying to paint a wall street billionaire in a good light is proof in itself of who he really works for.

For a deeper insight into Donald Trump, look on youtube for 'Roger Stone' - his campaign advisor. Roger Stone was involved with the Clintons and Bushs'. Also look at 'Larry Nichols' - a reformed Clinton insider.

[Caliban]

.
....I'm sure he's 100% for real. If his many angry, out-of-control emotional rants are all faked, he should have got an Oscar a few days ago!
.

Bill, how can you be so sure, especially if you don't know the guy? How do you explain something like this

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Is that just a giant ego or did the curtain come apart for a few minutes? Also, his treatment and assessment of Occupy Wall St. was, from the Get-go, adversarial, overly-critical and defeatist. No matter how you interpreted it, I think we can all agree that it was a beautiful manifestation of various peoples coming together to challenge the behemoth of the oligarchical system. No, for him, a failure from the beginning.

Also, did anyone ever wonder what AJ would do if the system really transformed in many of the ways he (and we) would prefer? Like the American Cancer Society if the cures were freely disseminated, what would his purpose and activities be? Selling snake oil without the fear ?

[raff]

Dear Bill, I recently saw the interview that Alex Jones did with Donald Trump and in this he asked him if that if he was to be threatened once he became president would he break (i think Jones called it a Ross Pero) that is turn to the dark side and save his skin. Trump went totally politician (you should see this video for this hilarious and most telling response) and eventually said that he's always been part of the establishment which to my mind suggests that he Trump is running for president on the say so and backing/protection of someone higher up the hierarchy/social order. Also Jones response to this obvious omission is to continue to endorse Trump as the guy who will bring the light to America which to my mind suggests that Jones (if he was truly independant) should of have asked him who his backer/handler is and what they really plan to do (which by not doing infers that Jones is establishment run too.)
As an aside I have heard that their is a fissure in the American establishment that is the cabal and the other side which I've heard called the white hats or those who are working with the "alliance" but it does appear to me that Trump is programmed to be a "Ronald Reagan" (his name is bandied around a bit and Trump in a few interviews has said that he was his favourite president) and that as far as i know this is a militarization of the state. I remember seeing a photograph of Reagan with Nixon and the suggestive caption was that this was taken at the bohemian grove which if true does suggest that Trump is another stage of the plan and it's business as usual.

[iamnoone]

It was incredibly exciting to come back to this thread after being away for a few days! Thanks for the discussion peeps!

Here's the thing, I've said it once (or twice) and I'll keep saying it until I get banned, they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly. I know how hard this is to confront or consider given that most of us have devoted many years to uncovering the truth but at the end of the day, unless you personally can do something about it, it doesn't matter. Here's what you really need to know:

1. The truth movement wants viewers and money. It gets viewers and money by constantly revealing the 'truth', you know ALL the truth, in all it's nonsensical and often contradictory forms.
2. There is now too much truth. It will take you a life time to go through it all and truly unpack it. They rely on this. It stops you from going back to find all the contradictions and lies they told and from figuring out what actually IS true.
3. The truth movement is deliberately scary and overwhelming. This has the effect of paralysing you and stopping any effort you might make to actually change things. Further, scared people aren't known for their discernment or rationality. Instead of calling out bullsh**t, you're more likely to go looking for it.
4. The truth movement is divisive pitting culture against culture, politic against politic, country against country and so on.
5. The truth movement deliberately discredits actual problems our world is facing like CLIMATE CHANGE. Remember climate change? Remember when climate change was a conspiracy theory back in the 1980s-2000s??? REMEMBER??? The biggest challenge our world has ever faced and we're all f**ked because crazy arse Americans won't believe in it? You did nothing about it in the 1990's and 2000s because it was a CONSPIRACY. You refused to sign the Kyoto protocol. It's only been in the last few years that things have changed, your government is starting to support the idea and now it's a ploy by the elite???
6. The truth movement encourages hero worship. Any truly enlightening programme would be moving away from that.
7. The truth movement makes no suggestion for how our world can change beyond vague references to waking up or something. Great. I might as well wait for Jesus and the rest of the sky brigade.
8. The truth movement encourages apathy and helplessness. It makes the problems we are facing too big for us to actually do anything about (see above). Unless some of you know how to take on the reptilians (or any other scary aliens or gods).
9. The truth movement doesn't actually teach you how to awaken, it just tells you you have because you believe a conspiracy theory.
10. The truth doesn't actually matter unless you personally can do something about it.

No one needs to know anything beyond "your government, big business and rich people might not necessarily be working in your best interests". The ins and outs don't actually matters. What matters is what we do next and to decide that we need to work out what we want. Let go of silly political notions and decide what YOU want (and not what you don't want other people to have). Thinking about these things will get you clearer on what YOU can do to change things on this planet for the benefit of yourself and others like you!

[Curiosity]

It was incredibly exciting to come back to this thread after being away for a few days! Thanks for the discussion peeps!

Here's the thing, I've said it once (or twice) and I'll keep saying it until I get banned, they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly. I know how hard this is to confront or consider given that most of us have devoted many years to uncovering the truth but at the end of the day, unless you personally can do something about it, it doesn't matter. Here's what you really need to know:

1. The truth movement wants viewers and money. It gets viewers and money by constantly revealing the 'truth', you know ALL the truth, in all it's nonsensical and often contradictory forms.
2. There is now too much truth. It will take you a life time to go through it all and truly unpack it. They rely on this. It stops you from going back to find all the contradictions and lies they told and from figuring out what actually IS true.
3. The truth movement is deliberately scary and overwhelming. This has the effect of paralysing you and stopping any effort you might make to actually change things. Further, scared people aren't known for their discernment or rationality. Instead of calling out bullsh**t, you're more likely to go looking for it.
4. The truth movement is divisive pitting culture against culture, politic against politic, country against country and so on.
5. The truth movement deliberately discredits actual problems our world is facing like CLIMATE CHANGE. Remember climate change? Remember when climate change was a conspiracy theory back in the 1980s-2000s??? REMEMBER??? The biggest challenge our world has ever faced and we're all f**ked because crazy arse Americans won't believe in it? You did nothing about it in the 1990's and 2000s because it was a CONSPIRACY. You refused to sign the Kyoto protocol. It's only been in the last few years that things have changed, your government is starting to support the idea and now it's a ploy by the elite???
6. The truth movement encourages hero worship. Any truly enlightening programme would be moving away from that.
7. The truth movement makes no suggestion for how our world can change beyond vague references to waking up or something. Great. I might as well wait for Jesus and the rest of the sky brigade.
8. The truth movement encourages apathy and helplessness. It makes the problems we are facing too big for us to actually do anything about (see above). Unless some of you know how to take on the reptilians (or any other scary aliens or gods).
9. The truth movement doesn't actually teach you how to awaken, it just tells you you have because you believe a conspiracy theory.
10. The truth doesn't actually matter unless you personally can do something about it.

No one needs to know anything beyond "your government, big business and rich people might not necessarily be working in your best interests". The ins and outs don't actually matters. What matters is what we do next and to decide that we need to work out what we want. Let go of silly political notions and decide what YOU want (and not what you don't want other people to have). Thinking about these things will get you clearer on what YOU can do to change things on this planet for the benefit of yourself and others like you!

In reference to your #7 statement.
You are overlooking one very important point in what truth movements are all about. That is exposing the perpetrators of crimes and conspiracies and holding them accountable and putting a stop to there reign.
This IS what needs to be done to change things.

Also, by definition, a 'Shill' isn't a person unwittingly or unknowingly spreading disinformation. If they were spreading disinformation simply because they were given such information by someone they thought was a trusted source, and believed it, and passed it on, then they are simply misinformed, and passing on the misinformation without malice aforethought.
Shills do what they do INTENTIONALLY. Some of them are paid to do it, some of them just do it because they get off on it.

[swoods_blue]

Here's the thing, I've said it once (or twice) and I'll keep saying it until I get banned, they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly.

Attributing that level of omnipotence to "the powers that be" is a fatalism and nihilism that I reject. Every person has their own power, and therefore the ability to have their own agenda. To be a shill for someone else, you have to cede your own power completely.

Discerning the fact from the fiction with Alex Jones, and separating his opinions and interpretations from the evidence he offers up, is crucial. Simply saying he -- or anyone else -- is just a "shill" is pretty simplistic.

[Bill Ryan]

they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly.

Me, too? :bigsmile:

Do tell.

[TargeT]

they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly.

Me, too? :bigsmile:

Do tell.

Oh that would be too easy, especially with your imperial roots.... the very way you (we) use language is a part of the system, the fact that English is preferred over other languages has such a huge influence on how our thoughts are ordered and how we go about things (English is the language of contracts and negotiations, very divisive).

You see there are things we can control if we try hard, but are generally not aware of them... and most of it was learned between the ages of 0 and 6, societal indoctrination is a thing; a very effective thing.


Now, does pointing that out help in anyway? I dunno, it's thought provoking at least.

[swoods_blue]

iamnoone,

I want to respond to the totality of your post, which I've re-read a couple times.

I will be the first to say that, what I don't know could fill an encyclopedia. As someone trying to figure out what the hell is really going on, I'm just a sophomore in the University of Awareness. Don't come to me looking for definitive answers about the Universe. But I've been plugging away at these questions for a while, and so I hope you'll lend an ear to my perspective.

I posted a "thanks" for what you wrote, because it is obviously invested with a great deal of passion and energy, and is the fruit of your own sincere voyage of discovery and knowledge. Your frustration is palpable. It's not all wrong, but it IS just a perspective, and while your own research has led you to these conclusions (which you've helpfully numbered 1-10), it seems to me that maybe you are at a point in the process where you need to broaden your inquiries. Because I haven't found any of those 10 points really to be true at all. They may be true of certain corners of "the truth movement," but I think others here will support me when I assure you that's not the case generally. For example, there are many, many voices in this space arguing emphatically AGAINST "pitting culture against culture, politic against politic, country against country." Indeed, the interconnectedness and divinity of all people is a central theme.

Taking #6 as another example... You say, "6. The truth movement encourages hero worship. Any truly enlightening programme would be moving away from that."

You have your finger on a real problem -- hero worship. It's a trap, and is always a trap. But here I have to ask how you are conceiving or defining the term "truth movement" ? The witnesses and sources that draw my interest (including Bill and Kerry's Project Camelot interviews) absolutely do NOT encourage hero worship, and in many cases do EXACTLY the opposite. Spend some time listening to the information shared by Alex Collier or George Green, for example. I don't know for sure what's going on there -- a lot of Collier's predictions have been way, way off base, much to his chagrin. But there really isn't a whole lot of ego there. He's just trying to share his perspective. And a consistant, integral part of the message he says he's sharing from his Andromedan contacts is that we all need to stand up for ourselves, not invest in saviors of any flavor. He's been consistantly on that theme for decades. And the same is true of the likes of Bill Ryan and many others. Again, I'm not saying they're 100% right about their information, or that the information doesn't come through falliable filters -- of course it does! -- but the core messages of many people working out there is NOT encouraging hero worship. In fact, my own guess is that Bill has gotten away from the cameras in part because he actively did NOT want to become a "hero." But his calling is to teach, so that continues here.

You also say: " 9. The truth movement doesn't actually teach you how to awaken, it just tells you you have because you believe a conspiracy theory."

I think you need to keep on going, iamnoone. You're on the right path. Awakening is an invisible process. It's peeling away layers of deception, methodically. And then it's getting to know yourself. And then peeling away layers of deception. And then getting to know yourself.

I would make this very simple suggestion: Change the questions in your own mind that you are asking of the Universe. In a moment of reflection, put out the request that you'd like a clearer picture of what you can do. Ask for wisdom, or ask for a mission. Heck, just ask the Universe to lead you to a good book. Say it out loud if you like. Then keep your eyes open. I know it sounds hokey at first. But it does work.

You might start by going back to the beginning of this thread and reading each post very deliberately. I think you'll find some clues here.

Best wishes.

[Curiosity]

swoods_blue thank you so much for that post. I can't tell you how many times I reread those 10 comments and iamnoone's overall posts.

Seems to me there is a glaring message in that post. While there is a lot of half truths to what is being conveyed the overall message appears to push the idea that truth movements do more harm than good. It blinks and flashes specific ideas into into your head and we all know what that means. Maybe it's just me?? IDK. The first time I read it though, red flags went up causing me to question my interpretation of it. Maybe it's just opinionated and innocent?

[Bayareamom]

Here's the thing, I've said it once (or twice) and I'll keep saying it until I get banned, they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly. I know how hard this is to confront or consider given that most of us have devoted many years to uncovering the truth but at the end of the day, unless you personally can do something about it, it doesn't matter. Here's what you really need to know:

1. The truth movement wants viewers and money. It gets viewers and money by constantly revealing the 'truth', you know ALL the truth, in all it's nonsensical and often contradictory forms.
2. There is now too much truth. It will take you a life time to go through it all and truly unpack it. They rely on this. It stops you from going back to find all the contradictions and lies they told and from figuring out what actually IS true.
3. The truth movement is deliberately scary and overwhelming. This has the effect of paralysing you and stopping any effort you might make to actually change things. Further, scared people aren't known for their discernment or rationality. Instead of calling out bullsh**t, you're more likely to go looking for it.
4. The truth movement is divisive pitting culture against culture, politic against politic, country against country and so on.
5. The truth movement deliberately discredits actual problems our world is facing like CLIMATE CHANGE. Remember climate change? Remember when climate change was a conspiracy theory back in the 1980s-2000s??? REMEMBER??? The biggest challenge our world has ever faced and we're all f**ked because crazy arse Americans won't believe in it? You did nothing about it in the 1990's and 2000s because it was a CONSPIRACY. You refused to sign the Kyoto protocol. It's only been in the last few years that things have changed, your government is starting to support the idea and now it's a ploy by the elite???
6. The truth movement encourages hero worship. Any truly enlightening programme would be moving away from that.
7. The truth movement makes no suggestion for how our world can change beyond vague references to waking up or something. Great. I might as well wait for Jesus and the rest of the sky brigade.
8. The truth movement encourages apathy and helplessness. It makes the problems we are facing too big for us to actually do anything about (see above). Unless some of you know how to take on the reptilians (or any other scary aliens or gods).
9. The truth movement doesn't actually teach you how to awaken, it just tells you you have because you believe a conspiracy theory.
10. The truth doesn't actually matter unless you personally can do something about it.

No one needs to know anything beyond "your government, big business and rich people might not necessarily be working in your best interests". The ins and outs don't actually matters. What matters is what we do next and to decide that we need to work out what we want. Let go of silly political notions and decide what YOU want (and not what you don't want other people to have). Thinking about these things will get you clearer on what YOU can do to change things on this planet for the benefit of yourself and others like you!


I must say, I completely agree with the above comments, but yet it took me a long time to arrive at the same conclusions.

[TargeT]

.... Let go of silly political notions and decide what YOU want (and not what you don't want other people to have). Thinking about these things will get you clearer on what YOU can do to change things on this planet for the benefit of yourself and others like you!


I must say, I completely agree with the above comments, but yet it took me a long time to arrive at the same conclusions.


That's a good summary of Atlas Shrugged ;)


Basically: become your own breakaway society, practice YOUR values, live up to YOUR expectations, be the best person YOU can be; the only work you can actually accomplish in this world is on yourself unless somone genuinely asks you for help (super rare).







Be selfish, but do so in a way that is detrimental to nothing.

That is divine, IMO & the highest calling I've found so far.

[iamnoone]

iamnoone,

I think you need to keep on going, iamnoone. You're on the right path. Awakening is an invisible process. It's peeling away layers of deception, methodically. And then it's getting to know yourself. And then peeling away layers of deception. And then getting to know yourself.

I would make this very simple suggestion: Change the questions in your own mind that you are asking of the Universe. In a moment of reflection, put out the request that you'd like a clearer picture of what you can do. Ask for wisdom, or ask for a mission. Heck, just ask the Universe to lead you to a good book. Say it out loud if you like. Then keep your eyes open. I know it sounds hokey at first. But it does work.

You might start by going back to the beginning of this thread and reading each post very deliberately. I think you'll find some clues here.

Best wishes.

Thanks for your more considered response Swoods but obviously I disagree. The point I didn't make here which I have made elsewhere is that the awakening process has absolutely nothing to do with the belief in conspiracy theories. Indeed, the truth movement has completely hijacked the awakening process making it about themselves and if you don't reach their conclusions then you're not finished or on the wrong path or still naive or gullible or whatnot.

Here's the thing, the awakening process is about waking up to yourself or your true nature as a spiritual or energetic being and this is something you ARE not something you read or believe in. It is a palpable process. You can literally feel the energy coursing through your veins. You can feel the chakras. You can feel the nadis. Most importantly you can SEE the truth because you are no longer bound your ego and your conditioning. Our ideas about ourselves and the nature of spirituality and the universe exist because we understand it experientially. We understand our connectedness to all because we can literally FEEL the connection to others and the universe not because we read we were all connected on a website somewhere.

And this is exactly as it should be. Where everyone is awake we are not separated by petty differences of opinion, we are firm in our surety and understanding and we can stand together to do what needs to be done to effect the change this world needs.

Those in the truth movement are not enlightened saviours, they are serving their own agendas and what that is can't be determined by their personality or their presentation. Some of them may have the best of intentions having been duped themselves but as a whole, the movement divides and we know this simply because of the sheer number of problems and conspiracies the movement uncovers most of which contradicts each other. There is no possible way any of us can ever begin to fight the challenges posited by the truth movement and we spend the rest of our existences fighting about who to believe and what to do. The movement is paralysing. How do we know the movement is paralysing? Because NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Be honest. How much time have you wasted over your lifetime trying to get to 'truth', you know, that your government, rich people and big business might not always have your best interests at heart? How much time have you spent actually doing something about it (not including talking to people over the internet)?

I'm not saying that all of the information within the truth movement isn't true, I'm saying that it doesn't matter and anyone who is truly awakened, truly enlightened would know that. If you want to change the world, you need to reach the people who have the power to change it and you aren't going to do that by trying to convince them that the elite are actually our reptilian overlords.

If you can't see this for what it is, I can't help you.

[iamnoone]

they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly.

Me, too? :bigsmile:

Do tell.

Of course Bill :)

Now all we need to know is is it knowingly or unwittingly??? (And will I get banned???)

[Garuji]

Alex Jones makes me think and brings issues to my attention that I can further research if inclined - I could do without the uneasy feeling he sometimes leaves me with though. Sensationalist maybe, human with human frailties but I think he's sincere and find it hard to imagine it's disinformation.

[Caliban]

Hi Garuji,

did you watch the video I posted a page back? Why would someone "sincere" behave in such a manner?

[Andre]

OK, let's take a closer look at some of iamnoone's rather preposterous statements:


Here's the thing, I've said it once (or twice) and I'll keep saying it until I get banned, they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly.

Have you ever heard of a "sweeping generalisation"? Sweeping generalisations are almost always simplistic nonsense because they are based in absolutism where there are no exceptions or differences, e.g. all white people are stupid or all muslims are terrorists. The statement that "they are all shills" is, for that reason, utterly meaningless.


1. The truth movement wants viewers and money. It gets viewers and money by constantly revealing the 'truth', you know ALL the truth, in all it's nonsensical and often contradictory forms.

This is simply another sweeping generalisation that implies millions of people have the one and same motivation; viewers and money. Another meaningless statement.


2. There is now too much truth. It will take you a life time to go through it all and truly unpack it. They rely on this. It stops you from going back to find all the contradictions and lies they told and from figuring out what actually IS true.

I guess "they" refers to everyone in the truth movement and "they" rely on you not making any progress whatsoever in your research. WTF????? They rely on you not discovering anything new or connecting any of the dots the more you delve into the truth. What a strange assertion. I have no doubt that thousands upon thousands of truth researchers have and are learning more and more each day about the matrix and how it works and they are connecting dots everywhere that reveal both the Light and the Dark sides of our world, thus increasing their awareness and their ability to respond to events and help others understand what's really going on. Awareness is a very powerful attribute of consciousness; more powerful than most acknowledge and it is changing the world for the better every day.


3. The truth movement is deliberately scary and overwhelming. This has the effect of paralysing you and stopping any effort you might make to actually change things.

Scary? I think that most Avalon readers like myself would totally disagree that that statement. It may be scary to people who live in denial and bury their heads in the sand, i.e. the sheeple. They are palalysed anyway, so this is yet another meaningless statement.


4. The truth movement is divisive pitting culture against culture, politic against politic, country against country and so on.

Divisive? It may be true that the truth movement separates truth seekers from those who don't want to know what's really going on in the world, i.e. the walking dead, but that's the only divisiveness I see in the truth movement. For example, the 9/11 truth movement does not pit culture against culture or country against country any more than the anti-vaccine or anti-flouridation movement does. This statement is more nonsense.

I'm not going to address the remaining bullet points iamnone has presented because they are all nonsense.

[Twisted Flames]

@mpennery

1. Trump is only hammering the bush family on 911 for publicity. He's not doing it out of the kindness of his heart. You do realize that trump is a wall street billionaire, right? he can say pretty much say everything he wants without having to worry about repercussions. It wasn't even that long ago when trump ignored those 9/11 questions that were targeted at him, and now all of a sudden he is for "911 truth"? give me a break.

2. I think that you probably don't know what auditing the fed will actually do. If a president audits the fed it will only let the government get a glimpse on the fed's transactions. It won't do any damage to the fed whatsoever.

If trump was a real patriot, he wouldn't even be allowed to run. Banks Own America. Every presidential candidate has to be wall street approved if they even want a chance of getting into the white house.

[Hawkwind]

... the awakening process has absolutely nothing to do with the belief in conspiracy theories. ...

That’s just not true. Yes, the spiritual awakening process is a higher order transformation than the process of awakening to a more fundamental understanding of geopolitics. The two are not, however, mutually exclusive processes. I have no doubt that who and what I truly am has very little to do with this temporal/physical existence, and yet, for whatever reason, here I am. So, either 1- the universe/God made a mistake sending me to this particular planet at this particular time (which seems highly unlikely) or 2- this incarnation serves some purpose (presumably to the process of spiritual awakening). As one of my teacher’s teachers used to put it- “You’re in school. Why not try taking the curriculum.”

To be sure, we can get so caught up in the affairs of the physical world that we forget any higher purpose it might serve. Choosing to completely write off the goings on of the physical world as meaningless, however, is just as big an impediment to progress. The Christian path advocates “Be in the world, but not of it.” The Buddhist path culminates in “Return to the city with bliss bestowing hands”.

Ultimately, the machinations of the power elite are manifestations of my own consciousness. I don’t see seeking to understand them and disempower them as a waste of time. Doing so from a place of compassion helps me raise my vibration (moves energy into my higher chakras). Doing so from a place of anger tends to lower my vibration (blocks the movement of energy into my higher chakras).

Which brings us back to my view that Mr. Jones acts more as an agent of those who seek to enslave us rather than an agent of liberation.

[iamnoone]

Andre, I spoke in generalisations because I don't have time to visit the website of every single truther and categorically refute everyone of their assertions. What I can do is comment on key points I've noted. These comments may not apply to everyone individually but they do apply to the movement as a whole.

[iamnoone]

Hawkwind,

There is NO awakening process to conspiracy theory. This is a ploy on the part of right wing conservatives to develop their own enlightenment indicators since the actual indicators of awakening would be anathema to their ideology.

(The machinations of the power elite aren't manifestations of your own consciousness, at least not in any practical purpose and only insofar as a holographic universe would allow, in which case this applies to us all so why does it bear mentioning? Our conscious reality is our reality. Also, raising your vibration and moving energy through your chakras are two different things. Acting with compassion only raises your vibration if learning compassion is necessary for you. Acting with compassion won't move any energy anywhere. Anger absolutely will not block the flow energy. What will block the flow of energy is not fully experiencing your emotions.)

[swoods_blue]

Interesting perspectives all around.

I will simply say that, since you haven't really clarified who you have in mind when you talk about "the truth movement," I don't think we can really evaluate what you really mean here, iamnoone.

Many, many people that _I_ would consider part of that movement are talking about things way, way, way beyond conspiracies and division. My observation is that your opinion of the "movement" is going to be highly dependent on who and what you're reading and listening to -- in other words, what you're choosing to give your own energy to.

So maybe, don't be mad at the movement -- be more critical of your own choices.

[Hawkwind]

Hawkwind, There is NO awakening process to conspiracy theory.
and yet whatever progress I’ve made along a spiritual path has been intimately tied to my investigations of those conspiracies


(The machinations of the power elite aren't manifestations of your own consciousness, at least not in any practical purpose and only insofar as a holographic universe would allow, in which case this applies to us all so why does it bear mentioning?
Okay, fair enough. I don’t really know if or why it bears mentioning. I just sat down at my keyboard with the intent of expressing my truth, and that’s what came out.

Also, raising your vibration and moving energy through your chakras are two different things.
True, but only to the extent that eating a healthy diet and taking care of your physical body are two different things. One has a causative relation to the other.

Acting with compassion only raises your vibration if learning compassion is necessary for you.
Okay, either that doesn’t correlate with my experince or I’m not quite able to wrap my head around what you’re saying. Can you clarify?

Acting with compassion won't move any energy anywhere.
Again, this doesn’t correlate with my experience. Well, technically the energy moves first, but that’s just nit-picking.

Anger absolutely will not block the flow energy. What will block the flow of energy is not fully experiencing your emotions.)
Anger is a tremendous source of energy, and trying to bottle it up, push it down or deny its existence tends to be counter-productive, if not down-right harmful. There’s a big difference, however, between experiencing it fully and expressing it, especially in raw form.

Okay, I think we’ve officially moved off topic at this point. If you’d like to continue this discussion, perhaps it would be better to move it to another thread?

[swoods_blue]

... the awakening process has absolutely nothing to do with the belief in conspiracy theories. ...

That’s just not true. Yes, the spiritual awakening process is a higher order transformation than the process of awakening to a more fundamental understanding of geopolitics. The two are not, however, mutually exclusive processes...

Which brings us back to my view that Mr. Jones acts more as an agent of those who seek to enslave us rather than an agent of liberation.

Hawkwind, totally agree with you on the first part.

As for Jones, I certainly don't think an agent of enslavement would spend so much time and energy pointing out once-hidden mechanisms of that enslavement. Jones, with all his fury, is deeply caught up in his own Rage Against The Machine, but it's pretty easy to see that drama as the 3-D issues of a human becoming, rather than an insidious plot.

Maybe we're all best served by avoiding binary decisions about most people.

[swoods_blue]

Just had an additional thought to share:

There's a big difference between "Situational Awareness" and "Spiritual Wisdom." Both have a lot of value.

I think Jones is fairly useful in contributing knowledge about the former, but I don't find much of the latter.

[Hawkwind]

As for Jones, I certainly don't think an agent of enslavement would spend so much time and energy pointing out once-hidden mechanisms of that enslavement. Jones, with all his fury, is deeply caught up in his own Rage Against The Machine, but it's pretty easy to see that drama as the 3-D issues of a human becoming, rather than an insidious plot.

Maybe we're all best served by avoiding binary decisions about most people.

In general, yes, but in this case he either is knowingly serving the agenda of the powers that be or he isn't. There's not much middle ground there.

As for why he might be pointing out once-hidden mechanism of our enslavement, a couple things come to mind. First, the mechanisms themselves have become so heavy-handed and blatant that they can not possibly remain hidden any longer. So, rather than allowing real champions of truth to gain an audience, wouldn't it be in the best interest of the powers that be to appoint false champions who would lead people to parts of the truth, but do it in such a way that it disrupts any real threat to the existing power structure, ie- appoint leaders that will gain a following and then walk in circles? Second, if you've read the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (which whether a genuine leaked document or not, appears to correlate very well with what's actually happening on the planet) they expressly state a policy of maintaining a controlled opposition. The purpose of which would be to speak out so loudly against the elite that most people would grow tired of listening to them. For me that description fits AJ to a tee. I'm a fairly awake and aware individual and there are times when I had such strong reactions of physical revulsion not so much to what he was saying but the way he was saying it that I just couldn't take it anymore. Imagine how people who still believe that the government is acting in their best interest must react to this.

[iamnoone]

Interesting perspectives all around.

Many, many people that _I_ would consider part of that movement are talking about things way, way, way beyond conspiracies and division. My observation is that your opinion of the "movement" is going to be highly dependent on who and what you're reading and listening to -- in other words, what you're choosing to give your own energy to.

So maybe, don't be mad at the movement -- be more critical of your own choices.

Swoods,

This is kinda my point, when i have to wade through so much bulls**t to get to the 'truth', it becomes pointless and annoying and for weaker minded individuals, dangerous and damaging.

I REALLY REALLY should have written an essay to explain my position. My critiques of the movement are absolutely valid but my critiques aren't actually my major point. My major point is that when you truly spiritually awaken you have access to the absolute truth and that is far more powerful than anything anyone on the internet can tell you. The truth movement commandeers that process, telling you what you should be thinking or feeling or knowing, as opposed to assisting and supporting the transition. There is a reason why the 'truth' used to exist in secret societies, you had to PROVE your worth in receiving it.

Secondly, the 'truth movement' should exist to effect change, yet it seems like it exists to titillate and entertain. It's like watching a road crash you can't look away from. I would have thought we could all agree that once people like Alex Jones or Jesse Ventura start appearing, the movement's kinda been had?

Thirdly, to actually effect change, we need to keep the message simple and we need to focus our efforts. This is basic problem solving and it has the added effect of us having to be more selective in the battles we choose. This would lead to us being absolutely certain of any position we decide to take. There is no place for contradiction and conflict in a change movement.

[Andre]

Hawkwind, I think you have described the most plausible reasons possible for AJ being being shill. I'm not saying he is because, if he is a shill, he is one of the best because it is so difficult to really know one way or the other. But your references to the World Management Team's tactics of maintaining a controlled opposition and making sure viewers go around in circles present a strong case. I don't listen to AJ very much so I can't say to what extent he keeps going around in circles, but I have heard enough to be suspicious of him on that point. And then there's the history of what happened to Coast 2 Coast several years ago which was bought by Clear Communications and now does exactly that; goes around in circles, never going any further down the rabbit hole, playing it safe and taking its listeners for a constant ride on the merry-go-round. All something to watch for now with Jones.

[Andre]

Swoods, this is kinda my point, when i have to wade through so much bulls**t to get to the 'truth', it becomes pointless and annoying and for weaker minded individuals, dangerous and damaging.

An awakened individual does not have to wade through the bulls**t to get to the truth. Try using your intuition a bit more. It will tell you very quickly what feels like truth and what feels like BS.


My major point is that when you truly spiritually awaken you have access to the absolute truth and that is far more powerful than anything anyone on the internet can tell you.

There is no such thing as an "absolute truth". It is a huge lie spun by religious controllers who want you to believe there is One Truth for everyone, e.g. Jesus will save you. Truth is different for every soul in this universe. Even the notion that God Consciousness is the absolute truth is a lie because it denies God's ability to learn from his creation. You have fallen for the ultimate untruth on this point.


The 'truth movement' should exist to effect change, yet it seems like it exists to titillate and entertain. I would have thought we could all agree that once people like Alex Jones or Jesse Ventura start appearing, the movement's kinda been had?

Iamnoone, you really need to expand your horizons. You have become cynical about the truth movement only because your attention and focus is on the pseudo truth movement of Big alternative media and not on the multitude of truth movement communities out there who are sincere in their desire for a better world and are giving their heart and soul to that purpose.

[iamnoone]

Hawkwind, There is NO awakening process to conspiracy theory.

and yet whatever progress I’ve made along a spiritual path has been intimately tied to my investigations of those conspiracies

Awakening is not and never will be an intellectual process. Ever. Any 'intimate ties' are of your own making and likely false and truth movement is likely to impede a persons spiritual progress rather than progress it. Awakening requires the letting go of judgment, labels and predictions. The truth movement depends on all of those things.


(The machinations of the power elite aren't manifestations of your own consciousness, at least not in any practical purpose and only insofar as a holographic universe would allow, in which case this applies to us all so why does it bear mentioning?

Okay, fair enough. I don’t really know if or why it bears mentioning. I just sat down at my keyboard with the intent of expressing my truth, and that’s what came out.

Fair enough :)


Also, raising your vibration and moving energy through your chakras are two different things.

True, but only to the extent that eating a healthy diet and taking care of your physical body are two different things. One has a causative relation to the other.

There's actually no such thing as 'raising your vibration'. I used your words back to you because I understood what you were trying to say but it doesn't actually exist in the way that the internet would describe. We don't raise our vibrations, when we overcome our ego we naturally develop more awareness of our energetic state and allow more energy into our systems.


Acting with compassion only raises your vibration if learning compassion is necessary for you.

Okay, either that doesn’t correlate with my experince or I’m not quite able to wrap my head around what you’re saying. Can you clarify?

Sure. Feeling good about being a nice person does not equal raising your vibration. As I said above, raising your vibration doesn't actually exist, it's just an idea on the internet. Most people who talk about chakras and energy and kundalini have no idea what they're talking about. They're just regurgitating the same misinformation put out by charlatan gurus who realised that all they had to do to amass a fortune and popularity evermore was to walk around all peace and love and throw around some wise sayings every now and then.


Acting with compassion won't move any energy anywhere.

Again, this doesn’t correlate with my experience. Well, technically the energy moves first, but that’s just nit-picking.

Actually, it's not nit picking at all, it's a really really important distinction. The energy moves first, as in creates an emotion or desire or idea, and then we act. The whole point of the awakening process is to be free of our know it all ego. Intending to act with compassion, however well intentioned, is just more ego.

Further, it's not the acting with compassion that allows more energy into our systems, it's responding to the directions of the solar plexus and taking action accordingly.


Anger absolutely will not block the flow energy. What will block the flow of energy is not fully experiencing your emotions.)

Anger is a tremendous source of energy, and trying to bottle it up, push it down or deny its existence tends to be counter-productive, if not down-right harmful. There’s a big difference, however, between experiencing it fully and expressing it, especially in raw form.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Experiencing it fully and expressing it in its raw form is EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING. Your anger isn't just a tremendous source of energy it IS your energy. It is you. You are fire chi. The whole damn universe is fire chi (not fricking love and compassion). It is lust and anger. Why do you think the church has worked so hard to condition us against those two feelings? Because they are your doorway to the divine. They power the whole shebang. No lust and no anger, no whole and healthy human being who can challenge tyranny.

You don't have to direct your anger towards anyone, but you do need to direct it.


Okay, I think we’ve officially moved off topic at this point. If you’d like to continue this discussion, perhaps it would be better to move it to another thread?

I don't know how to do that but I'd be happy to!

[iamnoone]

An awakened individual does not have to wade through the bulls**t to get to the truth. Try using your intuition a bit more. It will tell you very quickly what feels like truth and what feels like BS.


I still have to watch it or read it and that takes forever. Have you not been reading my posts. That's my intuition in action.



There is no such thing as an "absolute truth". It is a huge lie spun by religious controllers who want you to believe there is One Truth for everyone, e.g. Jesus will save you. Truth is different for every soul in this universe. Even the notion that God Consciousness is the absolute truth is a lie because it denies God's ability to learn from his creation. You have fallen for the ultimate untruth on this point.


WRONG. The thing about the truth is that it's the TRUTH. AS in, there can't be different versions of it. That there isn't an ultimate truth is a lie spun by people who didn't understand the ULTIMATE TRUTH. The ULTIMATE TRUTH conflicts with a lot of people's personal agendas and this is annoying and confronting. Plus, people in the gnostic and new age sectors kept coming up with different s**t. For some insane reason that I will never understand they decided to expand their concept of truth to include everyone's personal version of the truth. REALLY??? When you go back to the gnostics of old, the truth was the doorway to their path to enlightenment. You had to PROVE what you already knew before you could move to the next level. This makes sense. Why would ever imagine that truth was something we could subject to our whims? Just because the church got it wrong doesn't mean the whole concept dies. The church stole it from Buddha anyway.



Iamnoone, you really need to expand your horizons. You have become cynical about the truth movement only because your attention and focus is on the pseudo truth movement of Big alternative media and not on the multitude of truth movement communities out there who are sincere in their desire for a better world and are giving their heart and soul to that purpose.


Nope, I don't. I don't need conspiracy in my life. It doesn't improve me as a person or affect my observations. I know all that I need to know. I know that the world needs to CHANGE and making a video in my bedroom about reptilian overlords is not going to do that.

[Caliban]

I don't need conspiracy in my life. It doesn't improve me as a person or affect my observations. I know all that I need to know. I know that the world needs to CHANGE and making a video in my bedroom about reptilian overlords is not going to do that.

I hear you on this Iamnoone. You do see the phrase "waking up" or "I woke up" or "my awakening" when it comes to people seeing that the world is not how we've been taught it is--that there are real and true conspiracies and incredible machinations going on. That, basically, nothing, politically and socially is as it appears.

A lot of people call that awakening, especially on sites like these and some youtube channels. It is a kind of awakening, I'll grant them that. But Spiritual Awakening. No. Can they be linked? Yes, I think they can, especially if it leads one to the realization that all of physical reality is a play (though it needn't be ugly and full of deception), a temporary appearance, and "we" along with it. If it leads one to ask oneself who it is who's interested in conspiracies and world events, then maybe it can be linked. Sometimes it is.

But it needn't be. It's ultimately not linked to anything. It's who we are and doesn't depend on knowing what's "really going on" out there. It's a different cookie altogether - and finding the bakery that stocks it is an interesting journey. The only one, really.

[Hawkwind]

Awakening is not and never will be an intellectual process. Ever.

Not true. The basis of raja yoga is turning the intellect in on itself as a means to transcend the intellect. That isn’t, however, what I was referring to. While it’s true that investigations into the secular will not lead directly to spiritual truth, the process of making those investigations can (and in my case has) strengthened the abilities and sharpened the tools needed to recognize and assimilate spiritual truth.

In short, investigating “conspiracy theories” is the work that currently feels right for me, the curriculum of my current incarnation, if you will. There’s no immediately obvious link between that work and spiritual progress, but the two (for me) have been intimately connected. It’s similar to the scenario in the original “Karate Kid” movie where painting a fence and sanding a floor seemingly have no relation to learning self-defense. The purpose of the exercise later becomes evident, however, when the student’s body reacts intuitively to the teacher’s attacks.


Any 'intimate ties' are of your own making and likely false and truth movement is likely to impede a persons spiritual progress rather than progress it. Awakening requires the letting go of judgment, labels and predictions.

Doesn’t the first statement seem a tad judgmental and predictive, coming from someone who claims to be awakened and says that awakening is dependent upon letting go of judgement and predictions?



There's actually no such thing as 'raising your vibration'. I used your words back to you because I understood what you were trying to say but it doesn't actually exist in the way that the internet would describe. We don't raise our vibrations, when we overcome our ego we naturally develop more awareness of our energetic state and allow more energy into our systems.

What you’re referring to is an amplitude modulation. What I’m referring to is more akin to a frequency modulation. We take in, transmute and transmit energies, which range from (what is generally called low to high, but complete separation to complete union seems to me a more accurate description).


Feeling good about being a nice person does not equal raising your vibration.
Yep.


As I said above, raising your vibration doesn't actually exist, it's just an idea on the internet.
Depends what you mean by the term.


Most people who talk about chakras and energy and kundalini have no idea what they're talking about. They're just regurgitating the same misinformation put out by charlatan gurus who realised that all they had to do to amass a fortune and popularity evermore was to walk around all peace and love and throw around some wise sayings every now and then.
Yep.


Actually, it's not nit picking at all, it's a really really important distinction. The energy moves first, as in creates an emotion or desire or idea, and then we act. The whole point of the awakening process is to be free of our know it all ego. Intending to act with compassion, however well intentioned, is just more ego.
Further, it's not the acting with compassion that allows more energy into our systems, it's responding to the directions of the solar plexus and taking action accordingly.

99% agree and the remaining 1% can probably be attributed to semantics rather than differing views.


Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Experiencing it fully and expressing it in its raw form is EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING. Your anger isn't just a tremendous source of energy it IS your energy. It is you. You are fire chi. The whole damn universe is fire chi (not fricking love and compassion). It is lust and anger. Why do you think the church has worked so hard to condition us against those two feelings? Because they are your doorway to the divine. They power the whole shebang. No lust and no anger, no whole and healthy human being who can challenge tyranny.
You don't have to direct your anger towards anyone, but you do need to direct it.

Fire-bender, eh? Thought so. All I’m going to say on the subject is that the path of power does not negate the validity of the path of knowledge, although it may seem so to someone who has been seduced by it. Also, this is most definitely not a discussion I feel we should be having in an open public forum. Secret societies tended to guard such knowledge primarily because its irresponsible use is bloody dangerous.

[TargeT]

LLlllllooooottttttsssss of absolute statements being made here.

what's your secret to achieving such conviction? The more I find out the less I'm willing to say I know... I definitely wouldn't make absolute statements about (seemingly) nebulous spiritual matters.


Kinda hard to allow new information in when you already "know" something.

[HaveBlue]

Gotta love Alex, to quote him ' what are YOU doing to wake people up'? the haters never offer anything, never tell us who we should pay attention to, only who not to. I find them insulting to my intelligence.

[iamnoone]

Not true. The basis of raja yoga is turning the intellect in on itself as a means to transcend the intellect. That isn’t, however, what I was referring to. While it’s true that investigations into the secular will not lead directly to spiritual truth, the process of making those investigations can (and in my case has) strengthened the abilities and sharpened the tools needed to recognize and assimilate spiritual truth.

In short, investigating “conspiracy theories” is the work that currently feels right for me, the curriculum of my current incarnation, if you will. There’s no immediately obvious link between that work and spiritual progress, but the two (for me) have been intimately connected. It’s similar to the scenario in the original “Karate Kid” movie where painting a fence and sanding a floor seemingly have no relation to learning self-defense. The purpose of the exercise later becomes evident, however, when the student’s body reacts intuitively to the teacher’s attacks.

Except that in the "Karate Kid" he was being taught EXPERIENTIALLY which is exactly how it should be. He wasn't shown a bunch of stuff on the internet and told this is 'truth'. Looking into other people's conspiracies isn't a life purpose. The universe is practical. Life purposes are also practical. Going to work for a company and finding out their hurtful and harmful practices is a life purpose, watching videos on youtube not so much.

Also. conspiracy theories, even if they're true, actually don't matter. This world is already hurtful and harmful enough and most people aren't even talking about that. We have more than enough substantiated information to bring the system down. Except we don't. Why? Because we are all at cross purposes. DIVIDE AND CONQUER. The only way to change the world is to coordinate. No coordination = no change. The truth movement was designed to work against us. You've just exchanged one god (or system or controller) for another.

As for recognising and assimilating spiritual truth. THERE ISN'T ANY. AT least, not in the sense that you would consider. The only spiritual truth that exists is this is how energy works, this is how the chakras work, this is how the universe works. All of this information is practical not esoteric and there is far far less of it than you would imagine.


Doesn’t the first statement seem a tad judgmental and predictive, coming from someone who claims to be awakened and says that awakening is dependent upon letting go of judgement and predictions?

No. "Intimate ties" is purely an intellectual idea, intellectual ideas don't actually exist, they will impede spiritual growth. I shouldn't have said 'likely false', I should have said 'false'. The truth movement will impede spiritual progress because it is fear based and exists at the level of idea and is predicated on judgment and prediction. All of these things will impede spiritual growth.

I DIDN'T CLAIM TO BE AWAKENED.....


What you’re referring to is an amplitude modulation. What I’m referring to is more akin to a frequency modulation. We take in, transmute and transmit energies, which range from (what is generally called low to high, but complete separation to complete union seems to me a more accurate description).

Amplitude modulation? Frequency modulation? Is this Stargate? There is only energy. Ever. I don't use buzz words because they don't make any sense except what the person using them applies to them. Yes, we take in, transmute and transmit energy but if you're using these words in the same way the internet does, then no. You'll have to explain what you mean by these concepts practically for me to understand. What you're written here seems to be exactly what I wrote except that you're saying it's something else.

Hang on, I think I'm getting your intent. And NO. No such thing as frequency. There is no ranking for energy. Whoever came up with this idea has NO understanding of how energy and the chakras work. Your energy can be flowing better or it can be flowing stronger but the quality of the energy isn't any different you're just more open today.


Depends what you mean by the term.

I think I've addressed this above.


99% agree and the remaining 1% can probably be attributed to semantics rather than differing views.

Maybe.


Fire-bender, eh? Thought so. All I’m going to say on the subject is that the path of power does not negate the validity of the path of knowledge, although it may seem so to someone who has been seduced by it. Also, this is most definitely not a discussion I feel we should be having in an open public forum. Secret societies tended to guard such knowledge primarily because its irresponsible use is bloody dangerous.

You know nothing Jon Snow. I blame the Americans.

I have no idea what you mean by any of those things but whatever you're thinking is wrong. That you would even bring this up confirms absolutely you don't know what you're talking about. There is no either/or here, there is only how it is. People don't sit there debating about how the cardio vascular system works and if you're not a doctor you don't sit there trying to debate which way the blood flows or which ventricle is the best. The system works how it works. Anyone suggesting otherwise is lying to you. And yes, there are lots and lots of liars. It's almost like there's a conspiracy to hide the truth.

There is NO intellectual path. Do you know who made that up? Intellectuals. They're wank**s like that. The smart people wanted to prove that they are the best people. All the intellectual path will ever do is engage the ego. When you're trying to learn how to ride a bike, you don't read a book about it, you get out there and get on the bike and just do it. We live in a sensual, experiential universe, yet here we all are sitting in virtual reality thinking we can become enlightened by proxy. Nope. Enlightenment isn't an idea, it's an experience, it's something you are, something you do, not something you think.

The easiest people to wake up are those in pain, they have a vested interest, they want to get to better. This is why the universe generally teaches through pain. It will try to break you open. The hardest people to wake up are the intellectuals (or anyone who thinks themself to be so). It's hard because they think they already know best and they think that their knowledge and understanding with save them. Awakening means letting it all go. Every idea you ever had about anything. We need to let it go and feel instead.

The truth movement is so dangerous because it makes you think you know something special or fancy that no one else knows. It doesn't wake you up, it blinds you.

I found the stab about being seduced by the path of power particularly hurtful. You don't know me. You don't know my life. There is no path to power. There are no secret magical powers. Base chi, fire chi, kundalini, they are all the same thing, and everyone has them. EVERYONE. If you didn't, you would be dead. It's kinda like blood. It is the literal life force of a human being. It is the energy of everything. Some people are born with naturally strong base chi. You would probably know them as the homeless. Or a suicide. Or the institutionalised. The world is not kind to them and they have suffered for it. People with naturally strong base chi tend to be sexually abused and raped as well as being physically and emotionally abused. Why? Because they have what everyone else wants.

None of this is secret. Where attention goes energy flows. In a normal relationship, this will be a two way, generally equal process. In an abusive relationship, all of the attention flows one way. And a person who is scared and in pain will shut down their base chakra thinking their high chi is the reason they got into trouble and thereby disabling their energetic defenses leaving them vulnerable to outright energy stealing. As I said, none of this is a secret, it's all happening, our entire world is based on these principles. This is how the very few take what they want and the rest of us fight over what is left. Any one who is c**t enough to want to do this is already doing it, trust me.

Base chi basically does 3 things and they're not that fancy but they are entirely necessary. Base chi powers everything. It is your energy. The more energy you have the more vibrant and creative you will be and the better you will feel about yourself. Your base chi is actually what we tend to call self esteem or confidence. The more confident you are, the bigger base chakra you will have. Confidence is basically the difference between every single successful person and everyone else. It's not magic exactly but life is a whole lot easier. You have more inspired ideas and you have the confidence and the energy to follow them through. Your base chi powers your energetic defense system. It keeps other people out and pulls back your energy if someone with evil intentions tries to take it from you. This is not to be confused with the normal and natural everyday exchange of energy. Most importantly, base chi heals, energetically as well as physically and it also serves to wake other people up. This is why the powers that be have fought so hard to keep this information from you. For a bunch of truthers you guys really do seem to fall for a hell of lot of BS.

Remember: where attention goes, energy flows.... Who's getting your attention???

[iamnoone]

Gotta love Alex, to quote him ' what are YOU doing to wake people up'? the haters never offer anything, never tell us who we should pay attention to, only who not to. I find them insulting to my intelligence.

I would have thought being told who to pay attention to would be insulting to your intelligence.

[iamnoone]

LLlllllooooottttttsssss of absolute statements being made here.

what's your secret to achieving such conviction? The more I find out the less I'm willing to say I know... I definitely wouldn't make absolute statements about (seemingly) nebulous spiritual matters.


Kinda hard to allow new information in when you already "know" something.

Spiritual matters aren't nebulous, they're absolute. They appear nebulous because people (often, but not always American) like to be rich and famous. These people haven't awoken themselves and so simply regurgitate the teachings of other genuine teachers. Since these teachings are all the same, the fake guru requires some kind of point of differentiation to attract attention and starts to create their own concepts. Then someone else comes along, who hasn't actually woken up either and they start regurgitating the fake gurus teachings, but these aren't enough to differentiate them and so they start to create their own concepts and so on and so on.

I don't know much TargeT but I know what I know and one of the most important things I know is that there isn't actually all that much to know. Truth is absolute and there isn't much which is absolute so there isn't actually much truth.

[Hawkwind]

I don’t know if attempting to discuss this any further is really going to do any good. It seems that you see your truth as “THE TRUTH” and consequently anyone having a different perspective is, by default, wrong. From my perspective, if you view anger/lust/fire chi as the only primal forces at work in the universe to the exclusion of love and compassion, then you’re only seeing half the picture.

Yeah, absolute truth exists and is not open to interpretation. The trouble is, it only exists as such when directly experienced in its entirety, and that’s just not a trick that the egoic mind can pull off. To the extent that ego remains our view of “THE TRUTH” is limited and distorted by it. Since we cannot maintain existence on the physical plane without ego, and since you and I are both still here, I’d suggest that both of us are expressing “our relative truth” not “THE TRUTH”.


Going to work for a company and finding out their hurtful and harmful practices is a life purpose, watching videos on youtube not so much.
And what of someone who works for a company, finds out their hurtful and harmful practices and posts a video about that on youtube? And what of the viewers who decide not to work for that company or buy its products because of the information presented in that video?

From my perspective, the best any of us can do is follow our heart and then trust that the universe will present us with the lessons we need. For me, part of that has been seeking out and sharing information about how the world really works. Have I devoted too much time to that endeavor to the exclusion of other matters? Yeah, probably. Do I now know enough about the subject to move on in other ways? Most definitely. So what’s stopping me? Well, lack of a viable game plan mostly.

Taking on the system single-handedly is relatively pointless. Or rather, we could accomplish infinitely more working together than we can working separately. As you said, “we need to coordinate”. Trouble is, in order to coordinate we have to agree on both goals and methods. I’ve made at least six serious attempts at getting something along those lines off the ground, and failed miserably each time. So, I hang out here and a few other places that I reckon are good fishing spots, and I’m waiting for another opportunity to present itself. If you have a viable plan for getting us out of the collective mess we’re in, as they say- I’m all ears.


The truth movement was designed to work against us.
Well, efforts are definitely being made to control it toward that end, but designed from its onset to serve that purpose? I hardly think so. Also, yes, we now have more than enough substantiated information to bring the system down, but that didn’t just magically appear. Thousands of people worked their asses off, many risked and more than a few lost their lives to bring that information to light. Your statement not only fails to give any recognition to those sacrifices, it flat out dismisses them as less than useless. I respectfully disagree.


As for recognizing and assimilating spiritual truth. THERE ISN'T ANY. AT least, not in the sense that you would consider. The only spiritual truth that exists is this is how energy works, this is how the chakras work, this is how the universe works. All of this information is practical not esoteric and there is far far less of it than you would imagine.
Okay, well since we’ve already established that I (and probably everyone else on this forum) have no understanding of “THE TRUTH” (from your perspective), please – by all means- enlighten me/us. What is the ultimate answer to life, the universe and everything?


I DIDN'T CLAIM TO BE AWAKENED.....
You claimed that the information you were presenting is based on absolute truth, not relative truth. Absloute truth is only accessible when one is awakened, so I hope you’ll excuse my confusion.


Yes, we take in, transmute and transmit energy but if you're using these words in the same way the internet does, then no. You'll have to explain what you mean by these concepts practically for me to understand.
Since you’ve already concluded that
That you would even bring this up confirms absolutely you don't know what you're talking about. , what would be the point of me explaining further?


No such thing as frequency. There is no ranking for energy. Whoever came up with this idea has NO understanding of how energy and the chakras work. Your energy can be flowing better or it can be flowing stronger but the quality of the energy isn't any different you're just more open today.
Yeah, energy is energy, but using it to run a washing machine has a very different effect from using it to run an air conditioner. Likewise, moving energy into the first chakras has very different effects from moving it into the fourth chakra. (Honestly, I don’t see the point of my trying to clarify myself any further than that on this point. If anything I say doesn’t correlate perfectly with your experience, you’ll just dismiss it as wrong. As a friend used to put it, “There are none so blind as those who disagree.”)


The truth movement is so dangerous because it makes you think you know something special or fancy that no one else knows. It doesn't wake you up, it blinds you.
That is a potential pitfall, yes. The most spiritually evolved culture on the planet that I’m aware of, however, was Tibet- and that didn’t save them from the Chinese, anymore than being more spiritually evolved than the Europeans saved the American Indians. So, if we value having even the possibility of following spiritual paths, the plans to institute a totalitarian New World Order must be stopped. That can only happen if a sufficient number of people are sufficiently motivated to stop it. That, in turn, can only happen if a sufficient number of people become aware that such plans even exist. So, risky or not, being involved in the truth movement is the best shot we’ve got at getting out of this mess, as far as I can see.


I found the stab about being seduced by the path of power particularly hurtful.
That was not my intention, and I’m sorry that the comment had that effect.


You don't know me. You don't know my life.
No, I do not, but the reverse is also true.


There is no path to power.
Oh really? I’ve met a few people whom I believe could convince you otherwise.

[Curiosity]

I’ve made at least six serious attempts at getting something along those lines off the ground, and failed miserably each time. So, I hang out here and a few other places that I reckon are good fishing spots, and I’m waiting for another opportunity to present itself. If you have a viable plan for getting us out of the collective mess we’re in, as they say- I’m all ears.

This is what's valuable in truth movements. It brings people together that care enough to at least attempt to bring on change. Sharing information on forums and social media is a great way to do this.
Contrary to iamnoone's beliefs and truths, bringing to light 'facts and realities' of criminal conspirators and their actions, brings people together. This forms groups of people in a position that can set in action processes that bring change, and find solutions to the problems. You cant' fix something if you don't know it exists. So never give up

Unfortunately we run into brick walls, deniers, even family members that think you are nuts, people that simply fear the very idea so they choose to put their head in the sand. Then there is the worst problem: DISINFO AGENTS, and people the will stop at nothing to turn you against the 'truth movement'.



The truth movement was designed to work against us.


Well, efforts are definitely being made to control it toward that end,

This is obvious in the totality of the OPs posts, this IS the glaring message iamoone projects throughout the entire thread.

[iamnoone]

I don’t know if attempting to discuss this any further is really going to do any good. It seems that you see your truth as “THE TRUTH” and consequently anyone having a different perspective is, by default, wrong. From my perspective, if you view anger/lust/fire chi as the only primal forces at work in the universe to the exclusion of love and compassion, then you’re only seeing half the picture.

I didn't say that. I said that fire chi is the energy that powers our energetic systems and the universe. Love, on the other hand, is a state of being, it isn't an energy at all.

Why are you dissing lust and anger so much? I thought truthers were supposed to be anti-establishment??? Anger does not equal aggression. Lust does not equal promiscuity. They exist in pure forms.


Yeah, absolute truth exists and is not open to interpretation. The trouble is, it only exists as such when directly experienced in its entirety, and that’s just not a trick that the egoic mind can pull off. To the extent that ego remains our view of “THE TRUTH” is limited and distorted by it. Since we cannot maintain existence on the physical plane without ego, and since you and I are both still here, I’d suggest that both of us are expressing “our relative truth” not “THE TRUTH”.

We can maintain existence on the physical plane without being controlled by our egos. It's just that human beings have a million interpretations as to what the ego is so most people don't realise that detaching from the ego is a relatively simple process.

The ego is a construct. An unfortunate fault of the imagination or the subjective reasoning process. As human beings are able to 'imagine' and then 'create' we come to believe that all of our imaginings are tangible creations, we think they're real. Thus, every idea that we've heard or had about ourself, others and the world itself etc, we think is real and we use it to create our identity or sense of self. An ego self. This ego self is the sum of our conditioning except it's not actually us. It relies on constant validation and reassurance to reinforce its ideas about itself and it is constantly modifying its programming in accordance with our experiences and the ‘feedback’ we’ve received from the outer world.

Overcoming the ego self is a simple two step process. We need to let go of all of our beliefs, opinions, viewpoints, perspectives and perceptions and we do that by actively ignoring any judgments, labels and predictions we might think. We also need to overcome our addiction to validation and reassurance, to stop doing those things that support our distorted views.

This process is simple but it isn't easy. In fact, it's one of the most painful and frustrating things you will ever do. It is akin to rewiring your brain and can lead to dark night of the soul like events. It can be helpful to recruit others into the process to keep watch for judgments, predictions and labels.


And what of someone who works for a company, finds out their hurtful and harmful practices and posts a video about that on youtube? And what of the viewers who decide not to work for that company or buy its products because of the information presented in that video?

I would call that activism. Truthers aren't activists. They take activists information and then use it to make doomsday predictions. Not the same thing. I should have clarified my definition of a 'truther' from the start. I didn't make that clear. My apologies.


From my perspective, the best any of us can do is follow our heart and then trust that the universe will present us with the lessons we need. For me, part of that has been seeking out and sharing information about how the world really works. Have I devoted too much time to that endeavor to the exclusion of other matters? Yeah, probably. Do I now know enough about the subject to move on in other ways? Most definitely. So what’s stopping me? Well, lack of a viable game plan mostly.

Taking on the system single-handedly is relatively pointless. Or rather, we could accomplish infinitely more working together than we can working separately. As you said, “we need to coordinate”. Trouble is, in order to coordinate we have to agree on both goals and methods. I’ve made at least six serious attempts at getting something along those lines off the ground, and failed miserably each time. So, I hang out here and a few other places that I reckon are good fishing spots, and I’m waiting for another opportunity to present itself. If you have a viable plan for getting us out of the collective mess we’re in, as they say- I’m all ears.

I hear you. I often say we can bring the whole world down in two easy steps but it relies on everyone's participation. It's hard to get that when so many people are working at cross purposes to each other and the people that have some actual power here aren't saying or doing what needs to be done to actually make a difference, instead their at home making videos on their computers.

I'm not sure if you realise, but we have a fairly tight window here. The internet will be virtually useless in a few years. There will be so much information on there that it will be nearly impossible to find anything or get anything out. It's happening now. I'm doing my PhD atm and I have to wade through 5 to 15 google screens before I can find what I'm looking for. The truth is being buried in bulls**t.


The truth movement was designed to work against us.

Well, efforts are definitely being made to control it toward that end, but designed from its onset to serve that purpose? I hardly think so. Also, yes, we now have more than enough substantiated information to bring the system down, but that didn’t just magically appear. Thousands of people worked their asses off, many risked and more than a few lost their lives to bring that information to light. Your statement not only fails to give any recognition to those sacrifices, it flat out dismisses them as less than useless. I respectfully disagree.

Activists did that. I recognise their sacrifices. The truth movement exists to disseminate misinformation and crazy conspiracy theories. That truth exists in the movement is because it works very well in convincing you a lie is also true.


As for recognizing and assimilating spiritual truth. THERE ISN'T ANY. AT least, not in the sense that you would consider. The only spiritual truth that exists is this is how energy works, this is how the chakras work, this is how the universe works. All of this information is practical not esoteric and there is far far less of it than you would imagine.

Okay, well since we’ve already established that I (and probably everyone else on this forum) have no understanding of “THE TRUTH” (from your perspective), please – by all means- enlighten me/us. What is the ultimate answer to life, the universe and everything?

What I said. Truth is objective. When it comes to spiritual truth, the only objective spiritual truth is how energy works, how chakras work, how the universe works to support the spiritual process. What you're supposed to do, how you're supposed to be and any other questions that may arise from the human condition disappear when you awaken.

I believe the ultimate answer to life, the universe and everything is 42.

Seriously, we really are just the universe knowing itself and what is ultimately powering this whole thing is curiosity.


I DIDN'T CLAIM TO BE AWAKENED.....

You claimed that the information you were presenting is based on absolute truth, not relative truth. Absloute truth is only accessible when one is awakened, so I hope you’ll excuse my confusion.

There's no such thing as relative truth. Ever. That is a trick of the ego (and people who don't actually know anything). My comments about the truth movement are based on objective observation of the movement as a whole. I have been watching it for 20 or so years. And it has failed. Any wins have come from activists like Julian Assange or, dangerously, from nontruth issues like vaccination where we have entire regions in Australia where children are not being vaccinated and babies are now dying.

My comments about the energy system are based on actually having one and being able to feel it and how it works and interacts and so on and then working with thousands of people and feeling their energy systems and how they work and how they interact and so on.



Yes, we take in, transmute and transmit energy but if you're using these words in the same way the internet does, then no. You'll have to explain what you mean by these concepts practically for me to understand.
Since you’ve already concluded that
That you would even bring this up confirms absolutely you don't know what you're talking about. , what would be the point of me explaining further?

Energy work isn't up for debate. It is how it is. It works how it works. Why would it be any other way? As above, so below. Everyone's cardiovascular systems work in the same way. Their endocrine systems work in the same way. Their digestive systems work in the same way.

If you work with energy and can actually feel energy you would know this (and so would everyone else who claims to work with energy).


No such thing as frequency. There is no ranking for energy. Whoever came up with this idea has NO understanding of how energy and the chakras work. Your energy can be flowing better or it can be flowing stronger but the quality of the energy isn't any different you're just more open today.

Yeah, energy is energy, but using it to run a washing machine has a very different effect from using it to run an air conditioner. Likewise, moving energy into the first chakras has very different effects from moving it into the fourth chakra. (Honestly, I don’t see the point of my trying to clarify myself any further than that on this point. If anything I say doesn’t correlate perfectly with your experience, you’ll just dismiss it as wrong. As a friend used to put it, “There are none so blind as those who disagree.”)

Except that you're also disagreeing. And you're also describing pop culture understandings of how the chakra system works. It doesn't work like that. Energy doesn't move through the chakras and elevate you or itself in any way, it doesn't improve in quality, the chakras aren't a hierarchy, that's a human idea. They just each have a job to do, just like the organs, the heart, the lungs, the liver etc.

For example, the heart chakra does not create energy, it's just where we feel our emotions, there's no such thing as love energy. It's actually the solar plexus which takes all the energies and mixes them up to create feelings and states of beings. This is probably all a bit too complicated to squeeze in a little post here but I'm hoping you get the point.

Also, our energy is always moving through all of the chakras. Sometimes the chakras can be not running as well and so our energy doesn't run as well either but that doesn't mean our energy isn't getting through at all.


The truth movement is so dangerous because it makes you think you know something special or fancy that no one else knows. It doesn't wake you up, it blinds you.

That is a potential pitfall, yes. The most spiritually evolved culture on the planet that I’m aware of, however, was Tibet- and that didn’t save them from the Chinese, anymore than being more spiritually evolved than the Europeans saved the American Indians. So, if we value having even the possibility of following spiritual paths, the plans to institute a totalitarian New World Order must be stopped. That can only happen if a sufficient number of people are sufficiently motivated to stop it. That, in turn, can only happen if a sufficient number of people become aware that such plans even exist. So, risky or not, being involved in the truth movement is the best shot we’ve got at getting out of this mess, as far as I can see.

This whole totalitarian world communist government thing, stepping outside of David Icke's polished performances, can you try to follow the logic here? What does the elite have to gain from this? Further, what do they have to gain from this that they're not already getting? What might be an easier way to control a population? If a totalitarian government came into place, what might be the fallout of that? Have you read any of Noam Chomsky's work?


I found the stab about being seduced by the path of power particularly hurtful.

That was not my intention, and I’m sorry that the comment had that effect.

You accused me of being seduced by the path of power. What effect did you think that would have? If it wasn't your intent to hurt, what was your intent? I'm confused.


You don't know me. You don't know my life.

No, I do not, but the reverse is also true.

I didn't accuse you of being seduced by the path of power.


There is no path to power.
Oh really? I’ve met a few people whom I believe could convince you otherwise.

I doubt it. There might be a path to power within the system (as in world systems) but not when it comes to energy. Base chi does not give you magical super powers (beyond some silly psychic skills), that is not where the elite's power comes from, the elite's power comes from destabilising you so that you can't reach your full potential and they can snatch your potential for themselves.

Do you know what a person with high base chi looks like? Russell Brand. Someone with high base chi will usually present with something akin to (and has probably being diagnosed with) ADHD or bipolar disorder or as a mad and crazy scientist type with Aspergers type symptoms. This will depend on whether they're an extrovert or and introvert.

David Icke's theories were most likely born out of kundalini psychosis.

The only way to stop manic like symptoms is to ground the chi, we can do that by pushing it out to others or sending it into the ground and here is where the magic happens. Remember how base chi is the force of power and creation and healing? When it's put out there, guess what it does? Creates and heals!!! It doesn't matter whether you're feeling it as arrogance or anger or lust or whatever, once it's back in circulation all it will do is heal and create. Isn't that fricking MAGICAL???

[iamnoone]

This is what's valuable in truth movements. It brings people together that care enough to at least attempt to bring on change. Sharing information on forums and social media is a great way to do this.
Contrary to iamnoone's beliefs and truths, bringing to light 'facts and realities' of criminal conspirators and their actions, brings people together. This forms groups of people in a position that can set in action processes that bring change, and find solutions to the problems. You cant' fix something if you don't know it exists. So never give up

Unfortunately we run into brick walls, deniers, even family members that think you are nuts, people that simply fear the very idea so they choose to put their head in the sand. Then there is the worst problem: DISINFO AGENTS, and people the will stop at nothing to turn you against the 'truth movement'.

Activists release actual information that brings to light the actions of criminal conspirators and so on. Truthers make up bulls**t and call it truth. People think you're crazy because truthers believe crazy things. The opposite of a conspiracy theorist or truther is not a 'sheeple', it's a rational human being. You even have a derogatory name from rational human beings, you call them 'disinfo agents', rational, intelligent, usually left wingers who care as much as you do about the state of the world but who have different ideas about what the problems are and how to fix them.

As far as I can see, there is alot of information already out there about the abuses that are constantly taking place on this planet. I am seeking to simplify the list of s**t we need to do so that we can actually start working to effect change, rather than sitting around for evermore discussing it. I'm not trying to discredit you or your movement, i just don't think it's necessary to waste anymore time on this, and in looking around at the world, it doesn't respond well to crazy theories. Crazy theories usually attracts crazy people, whilst the people in this forum are more articulate and measured than most, that doesn't make this true for all of you.

If we want to attract the largest amount of people to the movement then we must moderate the message. It is the only way. And we must be very very sure of what we are putting out there. Some of the ideas that are attracting traction are not the least bit true. The truth movement is just as susceptible to personal agendas as any other system, not owning that is dangerous and has real consequences.

This is why I focus my efforts on actually waking people up, bringing people into their own power and to the actual truth. That would be the most powerful movement this world would ever see. I am thwarted by either self serving fake gurus or the truth movement who seek to monopolise the awakening process to suit their own agendas.


The truth movement was designed to work against us.


Well, efforts are definitely being made to control it toward that end,

This is obvious in the totality of the OPs posts, this IS the glaring message iamoone projects throughout the entire thread.[/QUOTE]

Good. The truth movement represents ONE right wing conservative viewpoint of how things are. It doesn't produce any truth of it's own but borrows from the work of others or unearths the odd whistle blower who is remarkably not dead or in gaol or in hiding but is running a website or writing books or going on world tours. It doesn't provide any solutions or suggestions to how the world can be changed beyond small scale system rebellion or suggests that we wait for the aliens or a magical energetic wave that will change everything. It is designed to confound you, to keep you busy and keep you blind while actual, tangible problems are happening like the water crisis in Flint. And the crazier you sound, the less likely you are to garner support.

You don't have to be a truther to recognise and understand that the world is facing serious problems. To be effective you need to find common ground. Unless you deign to work with the masses, we are all f**ked.

[Curiosity]

iamnoone, you are injecting the idea that a specific small minority 'category' of people that make up bull@@@@ and are crazy, that dabble into the most far fetched conspiracies are Truthers. You are labeling the 'Truth Movement' in whole, "truthers" to justify your position as an anti truth movement activist on this thread. While some of what you are saying applies to that specific group it couldn't be further from reality for rest of truth movements in their entirety.

What you call "activists" and see them as something other than the 'truth movement' is your perception, your idea, while most of us see activists as the participants that get involved and attend meetings and support truth movements etc.

Also a disinformation agent is exactly what that label implies.

While a DA may be a rational, intelligent human being, to use your own words, he spreads disinformation, he misinforms us, he lies to us, he distorts the truth, and he leads as away from facts and realities.

And yes, I use the label of "Disinformation Agent" in a derogatory manner because misinforming is deliberate and intentional and an Agent is a representative of person/s or corporations hired to spread their agenda.

Your opinion that truth movements don't suggest ways to fix problems also is the farthest thing from reality. As I've mentioned before the very first step to finding solutions to any given problem is exposing the problem itself.

[Curiosity]

I thought this article would be interesting to a few following this thread, forum members here and fits within the criteria of this thread.

The Exponential Revelation of Truth
http://wakeup-world.com/2016/03/05/the-exponential-revelation-of-truth/

[Curiosity]

More on the people that claim they have espoused Alex Jones.

In fact this is the author of the first video in the first post of the OP. I already shared info about William Cooper.
This is about David Duke

"White supremacist David Duke balked at endorsing Donald Trump last year because he believed the Republican presidential candidate was too friendly with "the Jews.
But now that Trump is the GOP front-runner, Duke has changed his tune."

"David Duke still portrays himself as a white nationalist hero, but the fact is he hasn't done anything political in years," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a watchdog group that monitors racist groups. "Duke's having a moment in the news now, and he needs this. In the white supremacist world, he's seen as an opportunist, someone who is living off the movement."

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/who-david-duke-white-supremacist-who-endorsed-donald-trump-n528141

Excerpt from Wiki
David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is an American white nationalist, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, far-right politician, and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.[6][7]

A former one-term Republican Louisiana State Representative, he was a candidate in the Democratic presidential primaries in 1988 and the Republican presidential primaries in 1992. Duke unsuccessfully ran for the Louisiana State Senate, United States Senate, United States House of Representatives, and Governor of Louisiana. Duke is a felon, having pleaded guilty to defrauding supporters by falsely claiming to have no money and being in danger of losing his home in order to solicit emergency donations; at the time, Duke was financially secure, and used the donations for recreational gambling.[8]

Duke describes himself as a "racial realist," asserting that "all people have a basic human right to preserve their own heritage."[9] Duke also speaks against what he describes as Jewish control of the Federal Reserve Bank, the U.S. federal government and the media. Duke supports the preservation of what he considers to be Western culture and traditionalist Christian family values, Constitutionalism, abolition of the Internal Revenue Service, voluntary racial segregation, anti-Communism and white separatism.[10][11][12] He has been accused of supporting Holocaust denial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

[iamnoone]

iamnoone, you are injecting the idea that a specific small minority 'category' of people that make up bull@@@@ and are crazy, that dabble into the most far fetched conspiracies are Truthers. You are labeling the 'Truth Movement' in whole, "truthers" to justify your position as an anti truth movement activist on this thread. While some of what you are saying applies to that specific group it couldn't be further from reality for rest of truth movements in their entirety.

What you call "activists" and see them as something other than the 'truth movement' is your perception, your idea, while most of us see activists as the participants that get involved and attend meetings and support truth movements etc.

Also a disinformation agent is exactly what that label implies.

While a DA may be a rational, intelligent human being, to use your own words, he spreads disinformation, he misinforms us, he lies to us, he distorts the truth, and he leads as away from facts and realities.

And yes, I use the label of "Disinformation Agent" in a derogatory manner because misinforming is deliberate and intentional and an Agent is a representative of person/s or corporations hired to spread their agenda.

Your opinion that truth movements don't suggest ways to fix problems also is the farthest thing from reality. As I've mentioned before the very first step to finding solutions to any given problem is exposing the problem itself.

Small category??? Every truther I have ever seen has shown themselves to either be crazy or a liar or a deliberate misleader. The problem with truth is that it tends to be found in the shades of grey, not in a polarised position and truthers tend to 'excavate' and emphasise the wrong problems with dangerous consequences.

Let's look at one debate: Big Pharma. Big Pharma is almost universally acknowledged to be 'bad'. I've noticed even activists and hippies jumping on this bandwagon. Big Pharma wants us sick so that we will continue to buy their products and increase their profits. Except:
- Big pharma doesn't exist outside of the US. Most of the world has universal healthcare and these countries tend to buy their pharmaceuticals from India because they are so much cheaper. Patent rights for pharmaceuticals was a huge issue during the TPP negotiations with Australia refusing to back down from its open patent stance. When healthcare is publicly funded, there is a huge impetus to keep healthcare costs down by reducing the cost of pharmaceuticals and keeping people healthy. Australia spent over $120 billion on healthcare, about $5,500 per person, and most of that went on heart disease, dentristy, sports injuries, other injuries, mental health and then cancer and other diseases.
- Sick leave costs are huge. I'm not sure about the US but most other Western countries provide paid sick leave. In Australia, which has a relatively low population and relatively low sick leave rates, paid sick leave costs about $28 billion a year, thats over $1000 per person. Translate that to larger populations and you can see that whilst Big Pharma might be gaining something from sickness, everyone else is missing out. Seeing as companies are fairly self interested, do you really think that they would willingly wear that?
- If we are slaves, isn't it in the controllers best interests to keep us healthy? The healthier we are, the more work we can do for them.
- If there was a big conspiracy to keep us sick, wouldn't it make more sense to target their victims, to take out those people they considered worth less? Poisoning everyone seems a bit random, you might take out the next Stephen Hawking or something.
- If we decide to use alternative medicines to treat our conditions who benefits from that? Alternative medicine. Here in Australia about 80% of the population uses alternative medicines. It seems like quite a profitable industry in its own right. The Australian government and private health insurances even cover most alternative health care costs.

I have absolutely seen science make mistakes and drugs being rushed out before they've been thoroughly tested and doing harm but I also know that for every person that was harmed in the taking of that drug many more were saved. I know that anti depressants and anti anxiety medication is over prescribed but try telling that to the person taking them, I've tried and they don't want to hear it. The same applies to antibiotics. Every person with a sniffle goes running to the doctor begging for antibiotics even though there is little demonstration of efficacy for them but that doesn't stop people (and yes it is remiss of Drs to prescribe them when they aren't necessary but some people really are very unreasonable). People absolutely need to be taught to be proactive when it comes to their health, it seems that alot of problems are either diet, habit or age related but here in Australia there is a huge push from government departments to eat right and exercise and stop drinking and smoking and so on and to say otherwise is just silly. And then we have the anti vaxxers whose success is already seeing the death of babies and small children here in Australia (and the US) and yet they remain silent. Where is their accountability?

Yes, I can see that Big Pharma want to make a profit but these issues aren't as clear cut as we imagine. The alternative health care sector has as much to gain from our support as Big Pharma stands to lose, and given how much governments and other big businesses lose to ill health, I'm not sure that there's a conspiracy here, at least not on a massive scale.

Honestly, I think the only disinformation agents are actually your own people. And plenty of people have exposed plenty of problems and very few of them have actually been solved primarily because the challenges we face are systemic in nature. It's the system that's the issue and all of those problems are symptoms, even if we did solve them, it wouldn't do jack, plus, there are so many of them we'll just be running around in circles forevermore.

And that is why spiritual awakening is the only answer. It is the only thing that can bridge the gap between the left and the right. And we start that process by stopping fear.

[Curiosity]

Big pharma? There's no debate. Truthers won. for example they exposed the fraudulent cancer industry and the fact that doctors and researchers a being murdered. iamnoone I suggest you get informed, join the awakened.

[Bill Ryan]

Every truther I have ever seen has shown themselves to either be crazy or a liar or a deliberate misleader.

Every one? :)

[ulli]

Every truther I have ever seen has shown themselves to either be crazy or a liar or a deliberate misleader.

Every one? :)

I'm sure there is truth even in this statement, provided he includes himself.

P.S. I just became aware that iamnoone is a she.
So, for what it's worth, here is my correction:
I'm sure there is truth even in this statement, provided she includes herself.

[Hawkwind]

I originally thought that our points of view were slightly different and the differences largely semantic in nature. That clearly is not the case. This is more like a bird and a fish discussing the best way to get from point A to point B.


The truth movement exists to disseminate misinformation and crazy conspiracy theories.

There are people within the truth movement who act in such a capacity, which was largely the initial point of this particular thread. My own participation within the movement, however, stems from a sincere desire to discern the truth, and I believe the same applies to most people involved with the movement.


What you're supposed to do, how you're supposed to be and any other questions that may arise from the human condition disappear when you awaken.

I DIDN'T CLAIM TO BE AWAKENED.....

There's no such thing as relative truth. Ever.
Hmm, so either you are claiming to be awakened, in which case the second statement is false and you are a liar. Or you are not claiming to be awakened, in which case the first statement is a supposition, based on knowledge which you do not possess. Or you are implying that you are partially awakened, in which case the third statement is false. Which is it?


Seriously, we really are just the universe knowing itself
Yes

My comments about the truth movement are based on objective observation of the movement as a whole.
There is no such thing as objective observation, and clearly, based on your commentary and conclusions, your observations are not remotely objective in any sense of the word.

I have been watching it for 20 or so years. And it has failed.
Given the nature of the battle being waged, it’s hardly suprising that no definitive victory can be claimed by either side. Overall, however, I believe the movement has gained more ground than it’s lost over the last 20 years or so. Whether or not enough momentum has been gained to definitively tip the balance in our favor remains to be seen.

This whole totalitarian world communist government thing, stepping outside of David Icke's polished performances, can you try to follow the logic here?
Can you please stop talking down to me and try to discuss this as though I were a reasonably intelligent human being, deserving of at least some modicum of respect?

What does the elite have to gain from this? Further, what do they have to gain from this that they're not already getting?
People who crave power tend to become addicted to it and crave more power. What they want is not virtual control over the planet, its resources and people, but absolute and uncontestable control thereof. Essentially, the service to self path leads to complete separation and the attitude expressed by Milton in Paradise Lost, “Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.”


What might be an easier way to control a population?
Easier than what? Current efforts include chemical, electro-magnetic and genetic dumbing down of the population. Targeting and elimination of individuals who don’t respond to those techniques. Massive disinformation campaigns. Non-stop psycho/energetic attacks and manipulations. Near universal surveillance and an increasingly robotic police force and military.

If a totalitarian government came into place, what might be the fallout of that?
Rather depends upon how it is brought into place. The stated goal is for the populace to love Big Brother.

Have you read any of Noam Chomsky's work?
Long, long ago and not much that pertains the the topic at hand. He’s also high on my list of suspected controlled opposition agents.

You accused me of being seduced by the path of power. What effect did you think that would have? If it wasn't your intent to hurt, what was your intent? I'm confused.
Well, technically I didn’t accuse you. I made a blanket statement which implied it pertained to you. My overall intent was simply to express the truth as I see it. I honestly had no idea what your reaction would be. If you were indeed on such a path there was a fair chance your reaction might have unpleasant consequences for me, which is why I refrained from any further comment. The fact that you felt hurt by the implication indicates that you aren’t on such a path (at least not knowingly). I’m a bit confused, however, by your stating that you don’t believe such a path exists and yet felt hurt by the implication that you were on it. How can you be offended at being accused of being something which you don’t believe exists?

I didn't accuse you of being seduced by the path of power.
No, you told me I know nothing.

Truthers aren't activists. They take activists information and then use it to make doomsday predictions. Not the same thing. I should have clarified my definition of a 'truther' from the start. I didn't make that clear. My apologies.
Okay, well your definition of a truther is then very, very different from mine (and I would dare say almost everyone else on this forum). So, let’s cut to the chase. Is Bill Ryan, by your definition, an activist, a truther or some combination thereof?

The two most important geopolitical events of my lifetime were the JFK assassination and the events of 9/11/2001. Those, from my perspective, are also at the center of the truth movement. So, again, let’s cut to the chase. In your view was JFK killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone, and were planes hijacked by a terrorist organization under the control of Osama Bin Laden the sole agents responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon?

[iamnoone]

I originally thought that our points of view were slightly different and the differences largely semantic in nature. That clearly is not the case. This is more like a bird and a fish discussing the best way to get from point A to point B.

[QUOTE=iamnoone;1051108] The truth movement exists to disseminate misinformation and crazy conspiracy theories.


There are people within the truth movement who act in such a capacity, which was largely the initial point of this particular thread. My own participation within the movement, however, stems from a sincere desire to discern the truth, and I believe the same applies to most people involved with the movement.

Except the truth beyond rich people, governments and big business are not necessarily working in your best interests and some clear, objective, verifiable and convincing evidence to support that claim is pretty much all you need to know. The problem with the world isn't that rich people are despots, it's the values we all hold as a collective that lead us to this position in the first place. This is why a spiritual awakening is the only answer. There is a reason why the 1960s happened when it did. It was one of the safest and least frantic times to be alive. Perfect conditions for an awakening. Fear STOPS an awakening. I'm pretty sure even David Icke knows this.


What you're supposed to do, how you're supposed to be and any other questions that may arise from the human condition disappear when you awaken.

I DIDN'T CLAIM TO BE AWAKENED.....

There's no such thing as relative truth. Ever.

Hmm, so either you are claiming to be awakened, in which case the second statement is false and you are a liar. Or you are not claiming to be awakened, in which case the first statement is a supposition, based on knowledge which you do not possess. Or you are implying that you are partially awakened, in which case the third statement is false. Which is it?

Awakening is a process, not an end point. I've experienced some setbacks lately. The monkey mind is a tricky bugger. I'm not above thinking bad things about myself or running on empty but these experiences remind me how fallible we all are and how important it is to overcome.


Seriously, we really are just the universe knowing itself
Yes

My comments about the truth movement are based on objective observation of the movement as a whole.

There is no such thing as objective observation, and clearly, based on your commentary and conclusions, your observations are not remotely objective in any sense of the word.

Objectivity is the purpose of awakening. My observations are completely objective because I have NOTHING invested in this. I'm a left wing anarchist. Ultimately I have the same goals you do. I can just see we are going about this in entirely the wrong way. I can see what the movement as a whole does and I can see the effect the movement has on people and on the awakening process.


I have been watching it for 20 or so years. And it has failed.

Given the nature of the battle being waged, it’s hardly suprising that no definitive victory can be claimed by either side. Overall, however, I believe the movement has gained more ground than it’s lost over the last 20 years or so. Whether or not enough momentum has been gained to definitively tip the balance in our favor remains to be seen.

Absolutely not true and we know this because we have seen great change happen many many times. Just look at the rise of communism and Nazi Germany. Do you know what these movements had in common? Simple messaging.

I don't think the movement has gained actual traction, I think the internet has brought people who already felt the same way together and that some of the ideas that the truth movement espouses such as antiestablishmentarianism holds reasonably wide appeal amongst people who feel disempowered.


This whole totalitarian world communist government thing, stepping outside of David Icke's polished performances, can you try to follow the logic here?

Can you please stop talking down to me and try to discuss this as though I were a reasonably intelligent human being, deserving of at least some modicum of respect?

If your find that comment offensive then probably not. I will always appeal to your logic, objectivity and rationality.


What does the elite have to gain from this? Further, what do they have to gain from this that they're not already getting?

People who crave power tend to become addicted to it and crave more power. What they want is not virtual control over the planet, its resources and people, but absolute and uncontestable control thereof. Essentially, the service to self path leads to complete separation and the attitude expressed by Milton in Paradise Lost, “Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven.”


They already have control. Did you miss the memo???


What might be an easier way to control a population?

Easier than what? Current efforts include chemical, electro-magnetic and genetic dumbing down of the population. Targeting and elimination of individuals who don’t respond to those techniques. Massive disinformation campaigns. Non-stop psycho/energetic attacks and manipulations. Near universal surveillance and an increasingly robotic police force and military.

No it doesn't. Current efforts involve creating a fear based society because that is pretty much all it takes to destablise a human being. Destabilised human beings do not make helpful decisions. The elite is so powerful not because it has to resort to crazy scifi to control us, it's powerful because it doesn't. Have you ever been rejected in a personal relationship or fired from work? Such an experience can be soul destroying and we can often end up acting crazy lala obsessing over our loss. This is a common egoic response. The elite use these kinds of machinations against us. They understand what destabilises us. If you watch people and how they react to things you can too. And if you awaken, you will be free of these machinations and you can learn to defend and protect your space.

In my experience, it is not the elite who are stealing our energy, it is people who want to be strong like the elite. And every person I've ever known with actually high base chi has been virtually destroyed by their life experiences not by the elite but by their fellow human beings. It's not the elite doing it, it's us, the elite just use the fallout to their own ends.


If a totalitarian government came into place, what might be the fallout of that?

Rather depends upon how it is brought into place. The stated goal is for the populace to love Big Brother.

Yep, cos that's totally likely amongst the savvy, sophisticated, connected populace we have today. In the Western world, most of the population is middle to upper class. They're smart, they work hard and they have money to pay for s**t. They hold the real balance of power on this planet. If the elite are scared of anyone, it's them, ultimately, they have the numbers. There is noone in the Western world who would stand for a totalitarian communist slave camp. It's never going to happen. And I think the elites would have a hard time convincing anyone to enslave their own. You really have an awful view of humanity. Their obsession with sports and the Kardashians is odd, I'll grant you that, but when the chips are down they come together with a passion and a fervour that is simply heroic and leads to such.

Besides, this whole world is built on supply and demand. If we're all in a dystopian Orwellian nightmare, where's the demand??? There's a reason why the USSRs economy collapsed. We're needed.

Oh. And on Orwellian nightmares, they were created for two reasons: to turn you against communism (is not at all ironic that so is the elite) and to show you what a totalitarian communist slave society would look like so that you will never realise you are already in one.

The easiest way to control people is to use the carrot and the stick. Fear and reward. Scared people are easier to control but unhappy people are likely to revolt.


Have you read any of Noam Chomsky's work?
Long, long ago and not much that pertains the the topic at hand. He’s also high on my list of suspected controlled opposition agents.

I'm sure he is. He's a left wing communist. What are right wing answer to the issues that are confronting our world? You don't seem to have one beyond avoiding our current trajectory. you do realise that being a rightwinger really only serves you if your in the elite right? Individualist policies only serve rich people. Rich people created conservative ideology to entice poor people to support their agendas and to divide them ideologically so that they would never have the wherewithal to collectively agitate. They made you so terrified of the collective that you think socialism and communism are evil plans to enslave you. Except, communism has never actually been applied on this planet (except for maybe Cuba but we're not really sure because we've only recently been allowed there to find out). What has been applied is virtual slavery which is called communism by the West. There are billionaires in China. Billionaires. Can't have billionaires in a communist society.


You accused me of being seduced by the path of power. What effect did you think that would have? If it wasn't your intent to hurt, what was your intent? I'm confused.

Well, technically I didn’t accuse you. I made a blanket statement which implied it pertained to you. My overall intent was simply to express the truth as I see it. I honestly had no idea what your reaction would be. If you were indeed on such a path there was a fair chance your reaction might have unpleasant consequences for me, which is why I refrained from any further comment. The fact that you felt hurt by the implication indicates that you aren’t on such a path (at least not knowingly). I’m a bit confused, however, by your stating that you don’t believe such a path exists and yet felt hurt by the implication that you were on it. How can you be offended at being accused of being something which you don’t believe exists?

I watch movies and tv. I know what the dark path is. If anyone is telling you there is a dark path, they are lying to you or very wishful thinkers. Energy can't do what most people think it can. Our universe is creative and the world is full of possibility or potential and we are all swimming around in a virtual cosmic soup. These possibilities or potentials generally line up with people. The universe doesn't entirely care who goes with what unless something is absolutely fated. If something is truly fated, it cannot be stopped, in anyway, it can be delayed, but that's all. The possibilities that are left generally match up to a person's energy signature so the possibility of being brain surgeon isn't going to end up with someone who's sole interest is football. People can be destabilised to the extent that they miss out on their opportunities and those opportunities go begging.

It is also true that humans can steal other people's energy, vampires exist, but this requires a personal connection. There's no ritual, blood, sexual or otherwise that you can do because YOU DON'T NEED TO and no ritual is ever going to do it for you. You have to know exactly who you're taking the energy from and attacks absolutely do happen. I do get slightly paranoid about this myself but we needn't because protecting ourselves is fairly easy except it requires powerful base chi and if you're teaching everyone that the path to power is bad then no one is going to have enough juice to keep themselves safe. And BTW, I have no idea why vampires exist, there are far far easier ways to build chi then stealing it. (I've just realise that if the elite didn't know what they were doing then I suppose they might think a sex ritual would work to build their own personal chi but if they thought that then it probably wouldn't actually work because there's more to the process than having sex).

As I said before, high chi makes you super confident, kinda like a stockbroker on cocaine, but also like a stockbroker on cocaine, you're vulnerable to risky thinking and actions. Super high base chi gives you Russell Brand. Super super high base chi gives you a crazy homeless person. Balance is key.



I didn't accuse you of being seduced by the path of power.

No, you told me I know nothing.


Jon Snow....


Truthers aren't activists. They take activists information and then use it to make doomsday predictions. Not the same thing. I should have clarified my definition of a 'truther' from the start. I didn't make that clear. My apologies.

Okay, well your definition of a truther is then very, very different from mine (and I would dare say almost everyone else on this forum). So, let’s cut to the chase. Is Bill Ryan, by your definition, an activist, a truther or some combination thereof?

I don't know Bill Ryan. Never looked at his work. This forum called itself a forum for awakening. I believed it.


The two most important geopolitical events of my lifetime were the JFK assassination and the events of 9/11/2001. Those, from my perspective, are also at the center of the truth movement. So, again, let’s cut to the chase. In your view was JFK killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone, and were planes hijacked by a terrorist organization under the control of Osama Bin Laden the sole agents responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon?

I'm a left wing anarchist. I completely believe that these things could have happened but I don't think either of them did. JFK was not the person you thought he was. In the 1960s, society was extremely conservative, there would have been far easier and less risky ways to bring him down. The same applies to 9/11. I think the US government just took advantage of a situation which dropped nicely into their laps. Discovering a grand plot against US citizens would have been all the ammunition they needed to take action if they wanted to. They didn't need it to actually go ahead. This event certainly led us down the path we are on today so I am quite respectful of others views to the contrary.

Ultimately though, it doesn't actually matter. That we think such things could happen, tells me something is seriously wrong with the systems we have in place. I have not and will not ever disagree that things need to change, I just don't think that the right wing led truth movement is the avenue by which to do that. Your 'wins' so far have been as damning as anything the government or big business could do and people are dying because of it. This is when I become involved, when babies are dying of whooping cough or idiots from cancer because truthers have convinced them that meds are evil....

[Sierra]

Objectivity is the purpose of awakening. My observations are completely objective because I have NOTHING invested in this.

Really? Hehehe, lol. :ROFL:

Actually, you sound as if you have a great deal of emotion invested in your particular POV.

[Hawkwind]

Well, my friend, I think any benefit that anyone may have derived from our little exchange has already been had. I do have a few more comments I’d like to make in response to your last post, but beyond that I don’t much see the point of devoting any more energy here. Thank you for sharing your views, and best of luck with wherever your journey takes you.


Except the truth beyond rich people, governments and big business are not necessarily working in your best interests and some clear, objective, verifiable and convincing evidence to support that claim is pretty much all you need to know.
That is perhaps all that would be needed to get people motivated to act. Without a clear understanding of the size, structure and nature of the opposing forces, however, there wouldn’t be a hope in hell of overcoming them.


My observations are completely objective because I have NOTHING invested in this.
Bull.


What are right wing answer to the issues that are confronting our world? You don't seem to have one beyond avoiding our current trajectory. you do realise that being a rightwinger really only serves you if your in the elite right?
What on Earth gave you the impression that my political views are right wing?


They made you so terrified of the collective that you think socialism and communism are evil plans to enslave you.
What on Earth gave you the impression that I’m terrified?


If anyone is telling you there is a dark path, they are lying to you
Bull (although want you mean by the term and what I mean are likely very different things.)


JFK was not the person you thought he was.
Now you’re telling me that you not only know what kind of person I think JFK was, but that I’m wrong. Use of your psychic abilities also, no doubt, does not interfere with the objectivity of your observations.


Ultimately though, it doesn't actually matter. That we think such things could happen, tells me something is seriously wrong with the systems we have in place.

Yes, but unless you see clearly exactly what is wrong with the current system and how pervasive the problems are, you can not possibly fix them.

[Matisse]

OK guys and girls... to get back on topic, I don,t like Alex Jones, it`s something gutteral and instinctive...I just don,t like him, he does talk about real things and real problems... but it is always about things that I am already
informed about...it seems more manipulative than informative... then he mixes it up with his political views.... this is only my humble opinión.....
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[Wide-Eyed]

they are ALL schills, either knowingly or unwittingly.

Me, too? :bigsmile:

Do tell.

We all know you have a gold Rolex under that hat!:cash:

[iamnoone]

Why exactly are we arguing? I'm totally lost. I really don't understand the point you're trying to make. As far as I can see, I don't trust the truth movement and think it is now working against us. I've made my points fairly clearly. You disagree, which is fine, but for some reason we're still arguing and I can't work out why since all I've called for here is a spiritual awakening and I've corrected any assertions you made regarding the magical powers of the elite. In your last few posts you've skipped over the context of my comments and pulled out the odd phrase and held it up for further conflict but to no real actual end, at least, not that I can see.

I suppose this argument is one of the reasons why I'm so against the movement, if I don't agree with all the crazy lala, I'm a sheeple or a disinformation agent. Calling me such doesn't really help your cause. As I have said before, it's the middle class that need to change the world, they have the numbers and the real power on this planet if they can manage to coordinate. They are smart and savvy. You are not going to convince them of anything by insulting them. Smart people need real evidence. All this movement is attracting at the moment is people who already feel disempowered, people who have been kept out of the 'game' because they're not smart enough or attractive enough to fit in, as well as misfits, rebels and hippies and no one has enough actual power to effect any actual change or investigate anything. The investigations are done by actual journalists, hackers or people who work for suspect organisations. Their information is usually released mainstream or picked up by mainstream media and then picked up by truthers who claim they knew it all along. The only information released by truthers are conspiracies relating to aliens, reptiles, ritual magic, ancient magic or knowledge, or analysis of past historical events. These releases are based on conjecture only and provide no evidence beyond 'expert' speculation and 'eye witness' testimony. Smart people need more than this. Smart people are naturally skeptical yet the truth movement continues to treat us all like we are idiots. Smart people know that rich people want to be rich and will do basically anything to stay that way using both governments and big business to achieve their ends. Smart people also know that changing the system will be very difficult and will likely result in a massive loss of lives and so before they commit to a cause they need to know that it will be worth it. Smart people also know that if nothing changes they and their children will be fine, maybe they won't be super rich, but they will be comfortable and so they need to know that if they are going to be joining this fight it will be for a very very good reason. You will not win them over by flouting crazy conspiracy theories or insulting them or their intelligence.

Governments tell me to be afraid of terrorists. The truth movement tells me to be afraid of the government, big business, pharmaceutical companies, my family doctor, hospitals, nutritionists, scientists, archaeologists, paleontologists, historians, environmentalists, animal rights activists, feminists, the UN, NATO, NASA, socialists, communists and so on and so on.

But the truth movement isn't causing fear and division, right? Really?

[iamnoone]

AND THERE IS NO FRICKING MAGIC. There is no dark path in energy work (just people who are c**ts. All a vampire or dark magician can do is make themselves more confident and we can all do that, hardly anything to worry about, or they can destabilise you so that you feel less confident and life gets a bit harder until you set yourself right again). Do you have magic? Do you know anyone who has magic? Send them my way. Happy to call them out for you. I know this mainly because I know how energy works but I've also seen people who claim to work with the dark and the magic and rituals I've been told about wouldn't do jack.

Honestly, do you think the universe is retarded? Do you really think it isn't smart enough to predict that bad people might want to get all the power for themselves and that it should probably do something about that? Do you not think that there are failsafes? I can reassure you that there are. Too much chi makes you psychotic not magical. All stealing someone's energy can do is make you confident, exactly like the vampires you see on tv. There's a reason these myths come about. Real, true energetic confidence is good, don't get me wrong, it makes you feel positively godlike ala Donald Trump but there's no real magic and it is easily defeated.

[Hawkwind]

My apologies to anyone following this thread and the forum in general. I really hadn’t intended to make any further response in my ongoing debate with iamnoone, but I’m finding I cannot with a clear conscience let this one slide.

Dear Mr. Iamnoone-

Thank you for the admonition regarding not winning people over to a way of thinking by being insulting. You’re quite right, and I apologize for occasionally stooping to the use of sarcasm in corresponding with you. May I point out, however, that you have categorized all truthers (of which I consider myself one) as liars, crazies and deliberate deceivers. You have further categorized everyone who has spoken out about the possible dangers of vaccines and conventional cancer treatments (a group which also includes myself) as idiots, and hold this group as responsible for the deaths of people who listened to them. You’ve categorized the truth movement itself, something which I devoted over 30 years of my life to, as not only ineffectual, but harmful. I hope that you can understand that such comments, labels and attitudes might also be viewed by some as a tad insulting. You have come to these conclusions, evidently, without having done any personal investigation of the claims being made and the evidence being presented by people within said movement. Yet you view your conclusions as objective and beyond reproach.

In short, you have come into a space that many people here consider one of the most valued places to meet and exchange information on the planet, called us all losers and fools, metaphorically spat in our faces and are basically telling all of us to repent from our false beliefs. In fact, given your view of the movement itself and its participants, it’s difficult to imagine any other purpose for your joining us here other than to be as belligerent and disruptive as possible.

I again apologize to the other members of the forum for my unwitting enabling of that process (I can be a bit thick at times), and I again wish you, sir, the best of luck in wherever your journey takes you.

That's it. I promise my participation in this particular debate is officially at an end.

[jagman]

If it wasn't for Alex, doing his citizen reporting (Back in the day.) We would not know about the Cremation of Care Ceremony
that the Elites participate in, at the Grove.

[Curiosity]

My apologies to anyone following this thread and the forum in general. I really hadn’t intended to make any further response in my ongoing debate with iamnoone, but I’m finding I cannot with a clear conscience let this one slide.

Dear Mr. Iamnoone-

Thank you for the admonition regarding not winning people over to a way of thinking by being insulting. You’re quite right, and I apologize for occasionally stooping to the use of sarcasm in corresponding with you. May I point out, however, that you have categorized all truthers (of which I consider myself one) as liars, crazies and deliberate deceivers. You have further categorized everyone who has spoken out about the possible dangers of vaccines and conventional cancer treatments (a group which also includes myself) as idiots, and hold this group as responsible for the deaths of people who listened to them. You’ve categorized the truth movement itself, something which I devoted over 30 years of my life to, as not only ineffectual, but harmful. I hope that you can understand that such comments, labels and attitudes might also be viewed by some as a tad insulting. You have come to these conclusions, evidently, without having done any personal investigation of the claims being made and the evidence being presented by people within said movement. Yet you view your conclusions as objective and beyond reproach.

In short, you have come into a space that many people here consider one of the most valued places to meet and exchange information on the planet, called us all losers and fools, metaphorically spat in our faces and are basically telling all of us to repent from our false beliefs. In fact, given your view of the movement itself and its participants, it’s difficult to imagine any other purpose for your joining us here other than to be as belligerent and disruptive as possible.

I again apologize to the other members of the forum for my unwitting enabling of that process (I can be a bit thick at times), and I again wish you, sir, the best of luck in wherever your journey takes you.

That's it. I promise my participation in this particular debate is officially at an end.

Aside from all the negativity generated from difference of opinion this thread has been quite informative.
We have to appreciate the value of people like iamnoone, and what they bring to the conversation.
Without their points of view, we wouldn't be sparked to ask all of these questions. He or she and others like him/her are valuable tools...

I would like to see this thread get back on track of deciphering the OP.
As I brought to light the fact that the very authors the OP uses to claim 'AJ exposed?', shows that they are involved, or were involve because Cooper was killed, in the same things as AJ with exception of the first author who was linked to the KKK etc.

Links to my post with info and links that bring question to the intent and validity and credibility of the position of the authors in question, and the OP him/herself?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89159-Alex-JonesExposed&p=1050074&viewfull=1#post1050074

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89159-Alex-Jones-Exposed&p=1050076&viewfull=1#post1050076

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89159-Alex-Jones-Exposed&p=1051312&viewfull=1#post1051312

The OP hit on a lot of interesting subjects that don't belong in this thread But like I said we need tools like that to become more informed.

[Andre]

I don’t know if attempting to discuss this any further is really going to do any good. It seems that you see your truth as “THE TRUTH” and consequently anyone having a different perspective is, by default, wrong. From my perspective, if you view anger/lust/fire chi as the only primal forces at work in the universe to the exclusion of love and compassion, then you’re only seeing half the picture.

Hawkwind, I assume you are referring to your "discussions" with iamnone so I thought I would quickly share my experience in attempting to dialogue with this person. Unfortunately, I found it impossible to dialogue with someone who operates from an ego that needs to present itself as a "know it all". I found it quite unproductive so I simply gave up and went elsewhere on the forum.

[Sierra]

This is what's valuable in truth movements. It brings people together that care enough to at least attempt to bring on change. Sharing information on forums and social media is a great way to do this.

Contrary to iamnoone's beliefs and truths, bringing to light 'facts and realities' of criminal conspirators and their actions, brings people together. This forms groups of people in a position that can set in action processes that bring change, and find solutions to the problems. You cant' fix something if you don't know it exists. So never give up

Unfortunately we run into brick walls, deniers, even family members that think you are nuts, people that simply fear the very idea so they choose to put their head in the sand. Then there is the worst problem: DISINFO AGENTS, and people the will stop at nothing to turn you against the 'truth movement'.

This is obvious in the totality of the OPs posts, this IS the glaring message iamoone projects throughout the entire thread.

Well... It was seriously designed to be a polarizing opening post, and iamnoone ran with the polarity portion of the ball, didn't she?

In the end, we are all responsible for absorbing information from a variety of sources, whatever they may be, and determining our own paradigm of the universe, 3d, spirituality, and where to focus one's efforts. And free will of course, respecting each other's free will, should be paramount while we travel through this lifetime.


Aside from all the negativity generated from difference of opinion this thread has been quite informative.
We have to appreciate the value of people like iamnoone, and what they bring to the conversation.
Without their points of view, we wouldn't be sparked to ask all of these questions. He or she and others like him/her are valuable tools...

~ Mod hat on ~

I disagree.

People (especially newbies to the forum) may from time to time need to be informed we DO take the guidelines seriously, and we DO expect members to treat one another with respect. This means saying things like, "I have a different opinion on this aspect of the opening post, and here is how I arrived at that conclusion" or "I read from this link, that yadda yadda, wouldn't that in turn yadda yadda", not the ad hominem crap we've seen exhibited on this thread.

iamnoone:

Please treat others with respect. Quite a few members on this thread have gently hinted you are rudely pushing your position onto other members (and as a newbie to Avalon no less :facepalm:). You lose it if someone disagrees with you, and you are ignoring the most important (and spiritual, I will point out, since the kitchen sink, and a box of chakras was dragged onto this thread) aspect of Avalon, which is the relationships we have with one another.

We'll never ALL agree. That is just the way it is. Hawkwind (and Andre too apparently on another thread) is doing what you should have done pages ago. Agree to disagree after you've done your (respectful) data dump to the best of your understanding, and move on.

This is the primary reason people join Project Avalon, that members treat one another with respect. The mod team doesn't appreciate the way you are using this forum to express your opinions.

You are a newbie. Read the guidelines. Practice a little dispassion in your expression. Range the forum to pick up the flavor. Find a few threads where we have spirited arguments conducted with respect as well as wide ranging viewpoints. I'd check out the posts of Sigma6 and TargeT, who know how to bluntly disagree without kicking the stuffing out of people or dumbing down the subject. Check out Greybeard, who speaks to all with the greatest respect. That, is what we're looking for in members. Not perfection, not uniformity, just respect, tolerance, and one's best understanding of the material under discussion. (And FYI, threads in favor of the flat earth paradigm etc. get short shrift around here, sorry.)

Those who don't understand what their passage through the waters feel like to other boaters, don't last very long.

~ mod hat off ~

Muttering to myself, now if I join a forum of those I despise, say pro GMO-ers, what will happen? Will someone walk up to me and say, "Sierra, that does not compute." ... ?

Sierra

[Andre]

To the Project Avalon moderator:

Perhaps it is appropriate to ask iamnone to leave this forum. Iamnone has clearly demonstrated through a series of extensive posts that his/her main aim is to denigrate and put down the truth movement, everthing in it and everyone who subscribes to it and this surely is contrary to the role of Project Avalon which has the aim of promoting the truth movement! By his/her own admission, he/she does not support Project Avalon or its aims and as such, I do not think his/her participation in this forum is justified.

For the life of me, I do not understand why this person even bothers to post to a truth movement forum when their sole intention is to label everyone in it and beyond as idiots, etc., etc., etc.

In addition, it is not entirely outside the realm of possibility that iamnoone represents a new breed of shill. Either way, this person is wasting all of our time because he/she is totally unwilling to engage in a constructive open dialogue and has demonstrated an eager enthusiasm to put down, argue and deny anything remotely indicative of the "phoney" truth movement.

[Curiosity]

First I want to clarify my statement saying "people like iamnoone are valuable tools". That statement was in reference to people like me, that are driven to do research on any of these subjects, are often given points to ponder, and look into further even by someone like this poster. I in no way condone the kind of disrespectful argumentative nonsensical attitude he/she displayed in the majority of post on this thread. I was merely stating that anything that was actually relevant to the subject matter, that did by chance appear in those posts, caused me to go look into those subjects even further, there by learning more facts along the way for me to draw conclusions from.

I agree with Andre 100%. I too thought early in the thread the possibility iamnoone being a shill, if not a paid shill definitely uses classic shill tactics to impose his/her view points on us. Also to evade direct questions relevant to the subject matter. This definitely makes constructive conversation impossible.

However I have not had any interaction on any other threads this individual has participated in. So I can't give an honest opinion whether or not this person should be asked to leave the forum.

Regards.
Curiosity.

[Hym]

Arriving late to the gathering in this thread, I noticed the commotion and looked inside the gathering place to listen.......I felt the anger and heard different languages being spoken, wondering how the cultures could understand each other. It is a reflection of the apparent nature of the thread, looking thru the harsh nature of a speaker, AJ, to see the truths he is or is not expressing.

Much kindness arrived from many, yet one stood out amongst them, challenging them to recognize something he sees. She was as tired as they were but her pain was so deep she forgot they too were worn and weary from the many journeys they had lived thru. Their difference was a deep cultivation of the only thing that they know is true, beyond all of the words and the confusions expressed, finally found in a forum of respect, honesty and love. Yes Love.

They all know Love is the truth worth living. And by the way, F*** No, their Love is not hokey or born of a flaccid resignation to the state of intensity this world sometimes holds, or the dwindling energetic that the illusion of age brings. Their Love is a Warriors Way. It holds that fearless humility to live in the truth that words only hint at.

They have carefully thought thru the words they would share, knowing that there are still, even in kindness, harsh truths they would have to challenge others with, just as they did with themselves. They know that the depth of caring for anything has to be given with all of the awareness they can open up to.

It took many a long time to see that their words, their expressions, their journeys would be honored amongst a group of siblings whose growth was born on the cusp of an immense planetary awakening. They realized that it doesn't matter how dishonest and corrupt their world had become if they did not create their world with the love that makes living a worthy journey. They found that love here on this forum. Challenge that love with your self worth and you will be heard. Challenge it with anger and you will be dismissed, for it is within your expression you will remove yourself. It is the essence of this forum.

Be kind to yourself, listening for solutions. Walk beyond the potion of poisons you have learned to concoct for yourself my friend, for we, your friends, have walked on ahead after dropping our own viles. If the engagement with your intensity has lasted this long, why do you think that is so, if not for some similarity in our lives. You may knock as hard as you want on the door, but it is the door to your own home you are injuring. It is the parent you must be when you have left the ones who have raised you, good or bad, caring or indifferent, oblivious or well aware.

You have always been amongst friends. Maybe you just forgot that we have all been you and you are certainly some of us. So, as easy as it is to change your name in this little space I, only as a friend, would suggest you do it. As anyone who would debate your assertions, many which are valid, I will not do so. I do know that you are someone amongst many ones, CERTAINLY NOT NO ONE, who, at the least, has won this reality of self-acceptance.

If it is not PC to ask this of anyone, then I don't belong here. Who am I to ask, of a friend unseen, unknown, wearing a mask of anger and hiding the truths of her deeper experiences, to stay and grow. I, for one, recognize the rarity of this forum in it's ability to transcend the fear of words in the face of truths that are shared by strong hearts.

I now understand why you chose the name "I am no one". I thought that it was 'I am noone', some one with the inherited or chosen last name of noone. After all of the obvious, deeply heartfelt nature of the forum it is not up to me to state the bold incongruity of that name, but after these exchanges I am not one to let the reality of someone reaching out, from the very beginning, go unanswered.

I find that hard to believe, that you are no one, as that implies you are egoless. In the absence of ego there is no anger, yet in your words I see many truths told thru anger. Do not stop telling those truths that many here see would do well turned inside then, filtered thru a deeper truth only you can know, outside and more clearly understood..

I too have come to those times of frustration with half ass belief systems and the ad nauseum repetition of "accepted" truths. I also have found that a harsh, albeit factual, perspective was just another game in the manipulation of my energies, a human hypnotic born of the parasitic darkness that I had to find on my own was just another illusion, one I did not have to accept, especially in view of my own life. That negative state of being tested my health, especially when there were so many who weren't seeing the simplicity of the many cons they were accepting as truths. The manipulation of humanity is just as much about the disempowerment of the mind and it's limitations as it is of immoral and dishonest manipulations, the removal of personal freedoms.

If this forum is anything it is about empowerment of the individual. I would like to believe that many here would consider that empowerment alone as a great legacy beyond the words, images, inspirations and challenges we have gifted to others and ourselves. There is life in the creativity of the words we share.

I do believe you have some insightful things to share, like most here, and damn it 'youaresomeone' I urge you to find the depth in order to communicate those truths. Here is my hand......

[ozmirage]

There are builders. There are destroyers. There are productive people. There are unproductive parasites. There are harmless people. There are predators.
There are those who follow the law of love. There are those who follow the law of the jungle.
Guess which people need to use deception, dissension, misdirection, fraud and terror to succeed?

[Hawkwind]

First off, iamnoone’s gender is listed as female, I failed to check that brfore referring to her as “sir”. So, my bad, and hopefully that will put an end to the proper pronoun debate.

Second, I think she summed up her reason for joining the forum with the statement:
... This is when I become involved, when babies are dying of whooping cough or idiots from cancer because truthers have convinced them that meds are evil....
She’s on a crusade to stop the harm the information we’re spreading is doing in the world, and face it, it is doing harm. Someone posts a very well researched and documented study on something like chemtrails, someone else takes that study and condenses it down to news article with a sensationalized title, someone else takes the news article and condenses it down to a social media meme with a text something along the lines of “The sky is falling!!!” and soon turkey lurkey and goosey loosey are running around with chicken little in a panic. That result does not in any way detract from the validity of the initial study, but it does point out the need to take great care in maintaining the integrity of the information we share.

One other of iamnoone’s points that I entirely agree with is that if we are to succeed in throwing off tyranny what will be required is a spiritual awakening, and we’re going about that in the wrong way. We need to get coordinated in our efforts.

Overall, I found my exchange with her interesting and insightful, albeit at times frustrating. I’d like to invite her, as Sierra has already done, to put her crusade on hold for a bit and hang out here for a while. (You may find that at least some of us are not quite so duplicitous or crazy as you seem to currently believe, and even if that is not the case, it’s unfair, unobjective and illogical to assume that conclusion a prior, without first examining the evidence).

As for me, I’ve deepened my respect for what a unique gathering place of minds and knowledge this forum represents, and I’ve reminded myself to make sure my shoes aren’t muddy before entering.

[Bill Ryan]

I would quickly share my experience in attempting to dialogue with this person. Unfortunately, I found it impossible to dialogue with someone who operates from an ego that needs to present itself as a "know it all". I found it quite unproductive so I simply gave up and went elsewhere on the forum.




...you have come into a space that many people here consider one of the most valued places to meet and exchange information on the planet, called us all losers and fools, metaphorically spat in our faces and are basically telling all of us to repent from our false beliefs. In fact, given your view of the movement itself and its participants, it’s difficult to imagine any other purpose for your joining us here other than to be as belligerent and disruptive as possible.





Perhaps it is appropriate to ask iamnone to leave this forum. Iamnone has clearly demonstrated through a series of extensive posts that his/her main aim is to denigrate and put down the truth movement, everthing in it and everyone who subscribes to it and this surely is contrary to the role of Project Avalon which has the aim of promoting the truth movement! By his/her own admission, he/she does not support Project Avalon or its aims and as such, I do not think his/her participation in this forum is justified.

For the life of me, I do not understand why this person even bothers to post to a truth movement forum when their sole intention is to label everyone in it and beyond as idiots.


Dear All,

We're received a number of complaints about iamnoone, both publicly (above, extracts quoted only), and also privately. I have to say, it's a little unusual here for someone to generate such a strong (but also very clear and well-expressed) reaction.

The moderators team were also alert to the ongoing dialog, and were watching with interest. We agree with the recent complaints, and so we're closing iamnoone's account.

She has a lot to say, but as a self-described anarchist, a kind of pseudo-intellectual existentialist, and such a skeptic that she's unable to distinguish wheat from chaff in the alternative community (or identify any wheat at all!), she doesn't fit well into the Avalon membership. She may be intelligent and articulate, but she has nothing positive, encouraging, inspiring or helpful to offer here.

We're not saying she's a bad person, because that's unlikely to be true. But we'd encourage her to do a lot more open-minded reading and research, setting aside her own firm belief structures.

If she did that genuinely and with real intellectual rigor, she might surprise herself. Crass generalities are easy to make. Picking out the high-quality specifics and details, panning all the abundant gold from the river we swim in, is far harder work.

There's much that any of us can be cynical about in the alternative community (and in world affairs!), but we have to be the change we want to see — a hackneyed phrase sometimes, but it's true. We need to model the interactions, discussions, questions, respect, honesty, mutual support, good listening, and exchange of well-researched information that's valuable for not only our own growth, but also that of 10-15x as many guests and visitors who read the forum every day.

:focus:

[ulli]

I was comparing her harsh criticism of the truth movement to her perceived dangers the truth movement poses to the public, and came to see a fundamental contradiction.
Just because some of us have found alternative medicines work better than pharmaceutical drugs doesn't mean that we are putting lives at risk.
The statistics show that hospitals and medicines are just as guilty.
So while I'm not sure she is a deliberate shill the hostility she expressed at us "crazy" "lying" and "deceiving" idiots are at least signs that her basic identification is more with the darker side of society! one that is and has been fully established as rulers of the world since the dawn of man.
So the accusation re liars does look more like a projection, and her statement about her superior understanding of chi is not quite convincing.
She herself closed the door. Her arguments had nowhere else to take her. That's the nature of intolerant nihilism.

[stevcolx]

It's a difficult situation here. Alex Jones has done a lot to expose the NWO, Secret Societies, 9/11 etc. If he is a shill then why would he be exposing the workings of the Elite and their inner workings and agendas? He also pointed out the Jihadi John fake beheadings, the Sandy Hook hoax, the Virginia Journalist shooting hoax and various others.

So the Alex Jones exposed subject is a shady one. Maybe he just makes mistakes. On another hand he does have a bad habit of supporting the Media Propaganda goal of promoting Islamophobia. Especially his partner in crime Paul Joseph Watson.

I'm in 2 minds about Alex Jones. People say that the forum ATS is Cointelpro. That I believe! But AJ being a shill?

Jury is still out on that one!

[Twisted Flames]

@stevcolx


Alex Jones is just in it for the money. Playing on peoples fear and hope. There's a market for everything, even fear mongering.

If you just watch him for entertainment, then that's a entirely different story. But to view him as a spreader of truth is a completely irrational perspective.

[Curiosity]

@stevcolx


Alex Jones is just in it for the money. Playing on peoples fear and hope. There's a market for everything, even fear mongering.

If you just watch him for entertainment, then that's a entirely different story. But to view him as a spreader of truth is a completely irrational perspective.

I can't stomach watching or listening to Alex Jones for obvious reasons. Some people might think his method of presentation is entertaining. I don't. However that doesn't make the info he spreads false, does it?

So what exactly did you mean by that statement? "to view him as a spreader of truth is a completely irrational perspective"

[Twisted Flames]

@Curiosity

I agree that Alex Jones does sometimes report useful information from time to time that the mainstream media completely ignores, like when he reported on the gruesome bombing of Libya. He has to make himself look legit.

However, to view Alex as an American patriot exposing Big Brother is, in my opinion, a false perspective. After all, he supports Donald Trump now, which is in contrast to the whole "Democrats and Republicans are two faces of the same coin" slogan he use to repeat all the time.

Spreading the truth means exposing all these corrupt politicians, informing the American people of what's really going on. When you openly endorse a known new York Billionaire whom is in the government (Trump) you are no longer spreading the truth. So that's the bottom line of my reasoning of why viewing AJ as a man of candor is baseless.

[Curiosity]

@Curiosity

I agree that Alex Jones does sometimes report useful information from time to time that the mainstream media completely ignores, like when he reported on the gruesome bombing of Libya. He has to make himself look legit.

However, to view Alex as an American patriot exposing Big Brother is, in my opinion, a false perspective. After all, he supports Donald Trump now, which is in contrast to the whole "Democrats and Republicans are two faces of the same coin" slogan he use to repeat all the time.

Spreading the truth means exposing all these corrupt politicians, informing the American people of what's really going on. When you openly endorse a known new York Billionaire whom is in the government (Trump) you are no longer spreading the truth. So that's the bottom line of my reasoning of why viewing AJ as a man of candor is baseless.

Agree thanks.

[lucidity]

Is asking this question a bannable offence ?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/03/19/the-khazarian-mafia-ted-cruz-and-alex-jones-are-in-cahoots/

be happy

lucidity

[Michelle Marie]

Videos are sort of like personal experiences. They depict "what is" like how a picture is worth a thousands words (ultra-dimensional). I saw some of Alex's videos where he has asked key people questions and put them on the spot. Their actions spoke volumes, just as a picture is worth a thousand words: this exponentially magnified with intuition.

Awareness has been raised.

Recently someone made a comment to me with a preface "I know you won't like this..." And it was because it was racist against Jews. I can't go there. I don't know why. I just can't. I can't be against...period.

Love ALL.. Right there with you sister (and brothers)!
MM

PS. I actually haven't listened to A.J much lately. I had an additional thought; when we are drawn to certain information, we are guided to it. We use discernment and it is honed in the process. Take what's useful, and leave the rest. No duality or argument. I don't know...still learning.

[raregem]

AJ is definitely a challenge to understand. I am so grateful to AJ and many others who spoke loudly and with knowledge early on. Got my brain questioning the status quo. And, from there, we are here today. AJ has calmed somewhat (probably due to age and health.) Seems to me we need to pay attention to the many who bring us resonance of todays mental state for people as a whole. Just looking / listening for the gold nuggets............................................................................................. ..............................................

[Star Tsar]

AJ is definitely a challenge to understand. I am so grateful to AJ and many others who spoke loudly and with knowledge early on. Got my brain questioning the status quo. And, from there, we are here today. AJ has calmed somewhat (probably due to age and health.) Seems to me we need to pay attention to the many who bring us resonance of todays mental state for people as a whole. Just looking / listening for the gold nuggets............................................................................................. ..............................................

I concur raregem.

He has made this video which has urked me since I have seen it is totally inaccurate & I doubt if one frame of video was even filmed in London!
I refuse to post it and link such utter rubbish to my fine Avalon profile, However I will share the name its called "Welcome to Londonistan" yuck my fingers feel dirty just typin it.


:facepalm:

[DNA]

He is not spreading the truth, he is spreading false information. For God's sake, just look at his youtube channel, he has about 30 videos up there supporting Donald Trump. The fact that he is trying to paint a wall street billionaire in a good light is proof in itself of who he really works for.


Trump has shown some promise in that he seems to be scaring the status quo, and he at the very least leveled a direct blow to Jeb Bush concerning 9-11.
So as the candidate choices are shaping up, I'd take Trump over Hillary.
And while on the topic of 9-11, Alex Jones was the guy who woke me up to the truth about 9-11. I mean I knew something was rotten in Denmark, but his amazing videos back in 2005 was what did the job for me.



And having Jewish ties discredits his whole act entirely. you do realize that a lot of big bankers are jews. Our previous chairman of the Fed was Jewish. So how is alex jones going to be "anti NWO" and "spreading the truth" when he has ties to the most wealthiest and most powerful individuals in the world? Makes no sense at all.


I think we can make certain accusations against Israel and their genocide against the Palestinians. And yes there seems to be a banking connection going on there.
But, your kind of sounding like David Duke is someone of whom you admire to the extent you are taking this Jew bashing thing.




Also, the Bohemian Grove thing. Man I never would have believed what was going on there if not for Alex Jones and his footage of it.

[Wind]

I'vet yet to see a good explanation how Alex got to the Bohemian Grove without them knowing exactly who he is.

[Bill Ryan]

I refuse to post it and link such utter rubbish to my fine Avalon profile, However I will share the name its called "Welcome to Londonistan" yuck my fingers feel dirty just typin it.



I'll post it, for reference. The title is a silly, needless one, but there is a real problem here.

A serious one, too: not only in London, but in many European cities, engineered to come to America soon. Infowars is pointing out, in my strong opinion correctly, that this is a deliberately choreographed situation.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLO-vAhfs-4

[DNA]

I refuse to post it and link such utter rubbish to my fine Avalon profile, However I will share the name its called "Welcome to Londonistan" yuck my fingers feel dirty just typin it.



I'll post it, for reference. The title is a silly, needless one, but there is a real problem here.

A serious one, too: not only in London, but in many European cities, engineered to come to America soon. Infowars is pointing out, in my strong opinion correctly, that this is a deliberately choreographed situation.



Billy Meier's predictions of France and Great Britian being destroyed from within by a large muslim populations caused me to raise my eyebrows at this situation as it unfolded as well.

[bluekungfoo]

I was following Alex Jones for a good while, but I stopped for a few reasons. First it always sounds to me like he is yelling, and with his gruffy voice I find it hard to distinguish when he is an isn't. Then I find that he tends to give half informational facts, now at the moment I have nothing to back this claim up, I am just recalling why I stopped listening to alex jones. Does anyone here have problems with the way Alex Jones presents information on his show ?

I appreciate that A.J brought out the concept of the False Flag, I never heard of it until he mentioned it, and not long after I remember seeing a reporter on live TV using that term in a question in regards to some major event that I can not recall, An I think there is something worth considering to False Flag news/ events.

On topic, as to Google and Facebook, I do believe that those two sites are heavily censored; and obviously monitored http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marines-anti-obama-facebook-page-sparks-debate/

just another simple reference material, but people should be smart to the fact that anything one posts on facebook, and their privacy settings are not scrutinized to being set to where only friends can view, ya lose any rights to privacy if one is too lazy to change ones settings, and what can not be set to private, then has to be taken into consideration of the ramifications posting ones opinions may have.

Which guess what, all this garbage with google and facebook, all these companies are doing in the long run is forcing people like myself to go underground to where, good websites like this one, to find better sources of information with out a ton of spam or ads an misinformation and heavy handed censorship. I am just thankful that there is not a law yet that mandates if we are on the internet we must use google , or facebook... time will tell though.

[Satori]

I was following Alex Jones for a good while, but I stopped for a few reasons. First it always sounds to me like he is yelling, and with his gruffy voice I find it hard to distinguish when he is an isn't. Then I find that he tends to give half informational facts, now at the moment I have nothing to back this claim up, I am just recalling why I stopped listening to alex jones. Does anyone here have problems with the way Alex Jones presents information on his show ?

I appreciate that A.J brought out the concept of the False Flag, I never heard of it until he mentioned it, and not long after I remember seeing a reporter on live TV using that term in a question in regards to some major event that I can not recall, An I think there is something worth considering to False Flag news/ events.

On topic, as to Google and Facebook, I do believe that those two sites are heavily censored; and obviously monitored http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marines-anti-obama-facebook-page-sparks-debate/

just another simple reference material, but people should be smart to the fact that anything one posts on facebook, and their privacy settings are not scrutinized to being set to where only friends can view, ya lose any rights to privacy if one is too lazy to change ones settings, and what can not be set to private, then has to be taken into consideration of the ramifications posting ones opinions may have.

Which guess what, all this garbage with google and facebook, all these companies are doing in the long run is forcing people like myself to go underground to where, good websites like this one, to find better sources of information with out a ton of spam or ads an misinformation and heavy handed censorship. I am just thankful that there is not a law yet that mandates if we are on the internet we must use google , or facebook... time will tell though.

I rarely listen to AJ anymore. I stopped listening to him on a regular basis 5 or 6 years ago. I stop by once in a blue moon to read the headlines on his website but I have not listened to him. I did not stop because of his message(s) or how he presented them, voice and all. I stopped because I felt I had attained from him all he had to offer me. I credit him for helping me to begin to look at the world through different lenses. I also credit G. Edward Griffin, Edwin Vieira and Jeff Rense, as well as Bill Ryan, to name but a few. (I also credit myself. I think it's OK to do that.)

I would not tell someone not to listen to AJ or his guests. I would tell them to use their head and take things with a grain of salt. (But that's true as a general proposition.). Separate the wheat from the chaff and strive to know the difference.

This is off topic, but please indulge me. Today I wrote a post on another thread on the
subject of unusual experiences. (AJ and others have certainly introduced us to unusual experiences.) As I was driving home after work it occurred to me that I had omitted the most unusual experience of them all. One that I dare say is shared by all of us to one degree or another. I speak of September 11, 2001 and all that has and will follow in its wake. That is truly an event that has spawned fear and much carnage and garnered more power and control. But by whom or what?

In the unusual experience thread I speak of three experiences I had of what the mainstream would call Sleep Paralysis. I was paralyzed for a period of time as I awoke but I also experienced the fearful sensation of someone or something standing behind me--which I was unable to, as well as fearful to, turn and see.

I see a parallel to 9/11. I feel paralyzed by 9/11. I will go so far as to say good, sincere people everywhere feel paralyzed by 9/11 and its wake. I don't know eaxactly who is standing behind this (but I have a good list of suspects) and assessing the pros and cons and the probable outcomes. Much like I did not know who, what, and more so if anyone or anything, was standing behind me as I awoke from my "sleep paralysis."

Who or what is behind cataclysmic and paradigm shifting events like 9/11? What do we do to awake and not feel paralyzed anymore and begin the process of ending the insanity?

As I write this I am reminded of a poem I read somewhere. I would like to give attribution but I can't. I believe it goes like this: "Last night I saw upon the stair a little man who was not there. He was not there again today. Oh how I wish he'd go away."

[Akasha]

The following is from Ernie’s thread on the Alex Jones interview With Matt Drudge last September. It isn’t going to be a long post, simply why did neither of them, with their massive combined reach, cover the Israel’s Influence: Good or Bad for America (http://www.israelsinfluence.org) conference?

[11one]

i love alex on an entertainment level but i think hes most likely a cia asset. he rants and raves about the military industrial complex yet globalism and one world government is the epitome of evil. the biggest threat to the military industrial complexs existence is a one world government so which is it? and also like the people said before me he definitely steers clear of israel which is odd considering how close below the surface all of that stuff is yet he tends to ignore it wholesale

[Akasha]

Alex has exposed himself again with his recent response to the UN Security Council's vote on the illegal Israeli settlements.

Ryan Dawson breaks down the spiel:

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[Akasha]

Still think Alex is legit’? Ryan again highlights how Jones twists practically everything on the subject of the Middle East (and more), from turning the infamous 9/11 dancing Israelis into dancing Muslims!!!??? .......to get this, blaming China!!!??? for the destruction of Syria and the consequent influx of Muslims into Europe. No mention of the Oded Yinon plan (1982) (http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815), no mention of the Perle's Clean Break Strategy (1996) (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm) and no mention of The Safari Club (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_Club), the awareness of which makes the situation in the Middle East very clear indeed.

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[Akasha]

Well, the silence is deafening.....

[dynamo]

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BREAKING!! 2 YOUTUBE STRIKES AGAINST (INFOWARS)
YOUTUBE REMOVING CHANNEL - ALEX JONES INFOWARS

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Another spoon-fed mouthpiece parrot; cleverly disguised disinformation agent; shill.
IMO, no great loss.
Ask him about Zionism and watch him clam up and quickly change the topic.
He is so deeply entrenched with TPTB, it's as though LasVegas style spotlights are spinning over his head LOL!
If had anything of any value to speak about the past 10 years I've known of him, they wouldn't have let him live this long.
Think about it...

[Cidersomerset]

Another spoon-fed mouthpiece parrot; cleverly disguised disinformation
agent; shill. IMO, no great loss.

That's your opinion ....

I disagree and though Alex can be annoying at times his team and related
journalists , presenters and guests have played a big part in the alt media imo.....

[dynamo]

...

That's your opinion ....I disagree and though Alex can be annoying at times his
team and related journalists , presenters and guests have played a big part in
the alt media imo.....
there's tons of evidence available supporting the theory (fact?) that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent.
seek and ye shall find...;)

[ghostrider]

...

That's your opinion ....I disagree and though Alex can be annoying at times his
team and related journalists , presenters and guests have played a big part in
the alt media imo.....
there's tons of evidence available supporting the theory (fact?) that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent.
seek and ye shall find...;)

it's always one minute to midnight , hurry buy my products before you are placed in a fema camp ... sorry i had to ... lol i had my suspicions when he was the only one to produce a Bohemian grove ritual, and is still alive ... still he is passionate about what he does ...

[Cidersomerset]

there's tons of evidence available supporting the theory (fact?) that Alex
Jones is a disinfo agent.seek and ye shall find... There is loads about everyone David Icke , Bill ,Kerry I have seen the vids
on u'tube and beg to differ. You can support the Israeli people and not be
a neo-con/dem , globalist ,Zionist NWO shill.....

Its about censorship who censors the censors ? Congress then the first amendment
is challenged and free speech is challenged. If Info wars says/does something illegal
then there are procedures set in place. If anyone is deemed to have broken in
this case U'tube rules and their interpretations of them they should be challenged.

The whole point of a 'free' media is to listen to all views good or bad and tofilter
out the BS from the truth which has always been very difficult way before
the web . The medieval monarchs spread their proclamations through the
church and military force. Not a lot has changed when you boil it down....

[dynamo]

...

That's your opinion ....I disagree and though Alex can be annoying at times his
team and related journalists , presenters and guests have played a big part in
the alt media imo.....
there's tons of evidence available supporting the theory (fact?) that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent.
seek and ye shall find...;)

it's always one minute to midnight , hurry buy my products before you are placed in a fema camp ... sorry i had to ... lol i had my suspicions when he was the only one to produce a Bohemian grove ritual, and is still alive ... still he is passionate about what he does ...
Exactly, thanks Ghostrider.
Think about it...what does Alex do?
He screams and yells like a "man possessed" about negative things that most people (here, anyway) already know are true.
Always shoving negativity down peoples' throats, never a positive message in his rants.
Sure, his show may be a good starting point for those that are clued out about the socio/psychopaths in control of the world at the present time but above and beyond that (e.g. after listening to him once or twice), Alex's goal is to further disrupt and separate the community.
To use the tagline of this forum, is he helping to inform us of "the chronicles of the human awakening" or is he disrupting the awakening by constant fear mongering and promoting negative energy (negative and positive energy are contagious)?
That is up to the listener (he has one less listener...me) to decide.

[norman]

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That's your opinion ....I disagree and though Alex can be annoying at times his
team and related journalists , presenters and guests have played a big part in
the alt media imo.....
there's tons of evidence available supporting the theory (fact?) that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent.
seek and ye shall find...;)

it's always one minute to midnight , hurry buy my products before you are placed in a fema camp ... sorry i had to ... lol i had my suspicions when he was the only one to produce a Bohemian grove ritual, and is still alive ... still he is passionate about what he does ...
Exactly, thanks Ghostrider.
Think about it...what does Alex do?
He screams and yells like a "man possessed" about negative things that most people (here, anyway) already know are true.
Always shoving negativity down peoples' throats, never a positive message in his rants.
Sure, his show may be a good starting point for those that are clued out about the socio/psychopaths in control of the world at the present time but above and beyond that (e.g. after listening to him once or twice), Alex's goal is to further disrupt and separate the community.
To use the tagline of this forum, is he helping to inform us of "the chronicles of the human awakening" or is he disrupting the awakening by constant fear mongering and promoting negative energy (negative and positive energy are contagious)?
That is up to the listener (he has one less listener...me) to decide.

Alex is waking up the traditional conservatives with his rants.

We are not going to affirm our way out of the cabal control. That notion comes from the new-age movement they set up themselves to capture us in a larger net after our cage doors busted open, which they knew was coming.

'Positive messages' are new-age-ism.

This is a war for our liberation from those crooks. Alex knows that full well.

Pretty ironic really, considering the labels stuck on the yob armies they are using against us.

[onawah]

If the medium is the message, and creating Loosh is the prime agenda of Archonic/Reptilian agents and slaves, then Alex Jones must be high on the list of their prize lackeys.
His voice alone is so grating, it makes one cringe, and his rants are certainly not designed to calm fears or support rational thought.
Someone like that must create a banquet of Loosh every time he broadcasts.
If he was really so effective and such a threat to the elite, they most certainly could have stopped him in his tracks long ago.
The Clintons alone are obviously not lacking in hired murderers and have no compunctions about using them.
I think it's just more of the trauma drama designed to keep people off balance, uncentered and ungrounded.
There are much better, more effective ways of waking people up.

[Wind]

And then the likes of Bill Cooper got shot to death.

Alex is doing his job quite well, as a limited hangout.

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[dynamo]

If the medium is the message, and creating Loosh is the prime agenda of Archonic/Reptilian agents and slaves, then Alex Jones must be high on the list of their prize lackeys.
His voice alone is so grating, it makes one cringe, and his rants are certainly not designed to calm fears or support rational thought.
Someone like that must create a banquet of Loosh every time he broadcasts.
If he was really so effective and such a threat to the elite, they most certainly could have stopped him in his tracks long ago.
The Clintons alone are obviously not lacking in hired murderers and have no compunctions about using them.
I think it's just more of the trauma drama designed to keep people off balance, uncentered and ungrounded.
There are much better, more effective ways of waking people up.
BINGO, winner, winner, chicken dinner LOL!




We are not going to affirm our way out of the cabal control. That notion comes from the new-age movement they set up themselves to capture us in a larger net after our cage doors busted open, which they knew was coming.

'Positive messages' are new-age-ism.

This is a war for our liberation from those crooks. Alex knows that full well.

Pretty ironic really, considering the labels stuck on the yob armies they are using against us.

Maybe, but thought is energy, that is a fact.
When you feed the cabal with your thoughts, you are giving them energy.
They thrive by inducing fear and separating the masses into "us versus them".
Simple but true concepts.
Easy to wrap your head around it and it does work for me and millions of others.
Alex is not involved in any "war" against anybody but the masses.
He is a shill, plain and simple, and making a LOT of money doing it.
It is an individuals' choice to decide which "wolf" inside each of us to feed.
From an old (not "new-age-ism") parable that rings true even now:

A grandfather is talking with his grandson and he says there are two wolves inside of us which are always at war with each other.

One of them is a good wolf which represents things like kindness, bravery and love. The other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed, hatred and fear.

The grandson stops and thinks about it for a second then he looks up at his grandfather and says, “Grandfather, which one wins?”

The grandfather quietly replies, the one you feed

I will now exit this thread because it is draining my energy which I can use to do better things for this world...

[DNA]

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That's your opinion ....I disagree and though Alex can be annoying at times his
team and related journalists , presenters and guests have played a big part in
the alt media imo.....
there's tons of evidence available supporting the theory (fact?) that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent.
seek and ye shall find...;)

Your posts lead me to believe that you may be a dissinfo agent.
You are an opposite barometer for the truth as far as I'm concerned.

[waves]

Then call me a disinfo agent. Of course Alex Jones is the controlled opposition, an obfuscater, a fearmongerer who frequently makes up false warnings, a relentless NLP user on vulnerable, undefended minds and a player who only consorts with other controlled opposition players - NEVER anyone else, does he??

The NWO agenda since the 60's has not been to fight to keep the people awakening asleep knowing it was both futile and coming, it's been to STAY AHEAD, control the narrative, muddy the waters and especially obfuscate the real perps and agenda. Alex Jones ticks all those red flag categories in spades.

https://s18.postimg.org/il328i2zd/voltaire_plus.png

[DNA]

Then call me a disinfo agent. Of course Alex Jones is the controlled opposition, an obfuscater, a fearmongerer who frequently makes up false warnings, a relentless NLP user on vulnerable, undefended minds and a player who only consorts with other controlled opposition players - NEVER anyone else, does he??

The NWO agenda since the 60's has not been to fight to keep the people awakening asleep knowing it was both futile and coming, it's been to STAY AHEAD, control the narrative, muddy the waters and especially obfuscate the real perps and agenda. Alex Jones ticks all those red flag categories in spades.

https://s18.postimg.org/il328i2zd/voltaire_plus.png
Alex Jones is the Paul Revere of our times.
If you don't understand the dangers of the globalists and their plans for our immediate future then you don't understand anything waves.
I didn't need Alex Jones to come to this conclusion, Dr. John Coleman, The MK Ultra victims who have come forward, Wikileaks and Bohemian Grove all play a role in understanding what is going on.
For those who have eyes let them see, for those who don't we can thank Alex Jones for helping to open the eyes of millions.

Your Voltaire reference works against you in so many ways.
Alex is being censored left and right for daring to criticize the elite and their BS programming tools CNN, MSNBC, ABC all laughably looked at as free press.
And your need to lay blame at any race is simplistic and narrow minded.

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That's your opinion ....I disagree and though Alex can be annoying at times his
team and related journalists , presenters and guests have played a big part in
the alt media imo.....
there's tons of evidence available supporting the theory (fact?) that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent.
seek and ye shall find...;)

it's always one minute to midnight , hurry buy my products before you are placed in a fema camp ... sorry i had to ... lol i had my suspicions when he was the only one to produce a Bohemian grove ritual, and is still alive ... still he is passionate about what he does ...
So Alex's crime is being the sole person to provide proof that the elite worship Moloch and that he has managed to survive?
Maybe you should go back to getting all of your information from men in flying saucers.

[DNA]

If the medium is the message, and creating Loosh is the prime agenda of Archonic/Reptilian agents and slaves, then Alex Jones must be high on the list of their prize lackeys.
The idea of Loosh is nebulous, many folks throw this term around like they know what they are talking about, Loosh is simply fear imbued energy, but we feed the archons sexually deviant energy, lie energy, haughty energy, self important energy and many others. But all of this pales in comparison to genocide energy which is what is about to take place, and this is what Alex is warning us about. Ask me why I believe the elite are about to try and end 95% of the earth's population and control the survivors from birth to the grave. Ask me. I'll tell you.

Also you are combining Reptilian and Archon as if they are the same thing, they are not.
Reptilians have an Archon attachment, but so do you, and myself and everyone else not named Buddha or Jesus. Removing an Archon attachment is basically becoming a super sonic avatar type. No one on this forum qualifies as that as far as I know so we are all in the same predicament.

You are preaching head in the sand politics with this loosh talk.
If you are spotlighting evil and it's agendas then you are creating loosh? You can keep your head in the sand if you want, but folks should say something in rebuttal when you recommend ignorance as a defense.
Ignoring the problem will not make it go away.

[raregem]

In the beginning......there was access television in Austin, Texas where local citizens could use professional film cameras and editing bays provided by the cities' cable access t.v. station with 3 channels. There were many people aka producers creating talk shows that were centered around conspiracy, metaphysics and disturbing "truths" in America beginning to happen.
One producer aka Alex Jones would be aired late at night. With passionate flair and aggression he would talk about the same subjects we mull through today. He would accept callers with the intent to answer their questions. I, personally, was intrigued by the subject matter and anxiously waited for the call in questioner...to do what?...to ask an intelligent question. What happened instead, for many nights, the callers had a general lack of respect, much condescending idiocy, jokes and laughing AT AJ and the subject matter. Seriously not serious.
That was his start. Look what he has done with it. Look at the many who have come from this. He is not the only one to aid in this awakening but he sure is memorable. His style is his style. His reasoning is his alone. Take him in small doses or large or not at all. He has provided a positive in the sense that we are questioning and looking beyond our cute little snubby noses for meaning and truth in the world of deception and destruction of human life.
I can only listen to him in small doses but I sure remember some very serious bull horn issues he created. He is just one piece of the puzzle to awareness.

[Vernaianawa]

I was on the fence until his last Joe Rogan podcast, still 40 60 though.

[BMJ]

Alex is being censored left and right for daring to criticize the elite and their BS programming tools CNN, MSNBC, ABC all laughably looked at as free press.

MSM Carpet Bombs Local TV Stations Across The Country With Lies About Alex Jones Starts at 3.30 minutes.

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The Alex Jones Channel
Published on Feb 28, 2018
SUBSCRIBE 2.2M
In the wake of attacks against Infowars by the mainstream media, criticizing our coverage of the Parkland, Florida shooting, local TV stations have been activated to join the attacks against Alex Jones.

[Iloveyou]

If the medium is the message, and creating Loosh is the prime agenda of Archonic/Reptilian agents and slaves, then Alex Jones must be high on the list of their prize lackeys.
The idea of Loosh is nebulous, many folks throw this term around like they know what they are talking about, Loosh is simply fear imbued energy, but we feed the archons sexually deviant energy, lie energy, haughty energy, self important energy and many others. But all of this pales in comparison to genocide energy which is what is about to take place, and this is what Alex is warning us about. Ask me why I believe the elite are about to try and end 95% of the earth's population and control the survivors from birth to the grave. Ask me. I'll tell you.

Also you are combining Reptilian and Archon as if they are the same thing, they are not.
Reptilians have an Archon attachment, but so do you, and myself and everyone else not named Buddha or Jesus. Removing an Archon attachment is basically becoming a super sonic avatar type. No one on this forum qualifies as that as far as I know so we are all in the same predicament.

You are preaching head in the sand politics with this loosh talk.
If you are spotlighting evil and it's agendas then you are creating loosh? You can keep your head in the sand if you want, but folks should say something in rebuttal when you recommend ignorance as a defense.
Ignoring the problem will not make it go away.

I agree with you both. There‘s no opposition in what you both say. Onawah has not said anything of what she‘s accused of. So Alex Jones is the next big big polarizing figure next to Trump.

I don‘t trust Jones either, at all. Though I take people/individuals who follow him seriously and I‘m ready to listen as long as they‘re not attacking. Probably they‘ll prove me wrong some day.

The best thing that is said about Jones is that he is able to reach and awake the masses. But the ‚masses‘ will never ever awake. Only individuals will.

I’ve been working in the hospitality area for 30 years, from the luxury segment to small pubs and everything between. I‘ve listened to the educated, the intellectual and to the guys who get drunk and numb themselves night after night, to women of all ages and social standings. For the most part they are all convinced that 9/11 was an inside job, that Kennedy was not shot by a single madman, that all politicians lie and deceive, that the whole political/social system is wrecked, that there are things going on they don’t even want to think of and „we are all manipulated from a-b-o-v-e“. Then they go home, turn on the TV, get the newest phones and smart devices, gulp all their legal drugs and continue on the hamster-wheel. Because ... what can you do!

Waking up means taking (even if only tiny) steps, draw consequences in one‘s personal life, perhaps changing habits. I can‘t see people waking up that way because of A. Jones. He is big entertainment. People (the socalled masses) listen to him, then they feel a bit better, for a while. Even if he has got all the facts right (which I think he does), his carefully calculated presentation style is (probably deliberately) counterproductive to his message.

He agitates and repels people at the same time (and many seem to like it). I‘m talking of the socalled masses, not of those who read, listen and discuss things continuously and from different angels). They don‘t need Alex Jones rants.

Of course, if he was a disinfo agent, the MSM would have to attack Infowars to add to their credibility. One can’t tell by that.

Maybe years ago things were different and he was a great investigator and journalist who started people on their journey, anyway that‘s just my European perspective.

[Cidersomerset]

I should point out that Dynamo, Ghostrider and my interaction posts were originally
posted on the U'tube thread and transferred by Bill as they were getting off topic
and moved to here.




Posted by Dynamo

Posted by Cidersomerset

That's your opinion ....I disagree and though Alex can be annoying at times his
team and related journalists , presenters and guests have played a big part in
the alt media imo.....

there's tons of evidence available supporting the theory (fact?) that Alex Jones is a disinfo agent.
seek and ye shall find... Posted by dynamo (here)

Your posts lead me to believe that you may be a diss info agent.
You are an opposite barometer for the truth as far as I'm concerned.

[/QUOTE]

Thanks DNA I have noticed your observations , every one is entitled to their own
opinions and is why I did not get on this thread earlier. Alex admits he has contacts
in the FBI, CIA, intel services , government , local law enforcements often in his
segments especially recently good journalistic sources imo .

If you don't agree fine it does not make him a disinfo agent. Has he broadcast
material that did not play out ? of course he speculates on the data/news coming in
like Dr.Corsi is doing with the Q'anon material and intel/news agencies do all the time.

There is also an entertainment /hype aspect to this for good or bad , it makes him
unique and different in the news media field.A few years ago I did not follow him
closely but over the last two years I have watched all the US TV/cable news media
and Alex has a place and covers much more controversial material than they are
prepared to go and is why they now consider him and the alt media a serious threat
to the deepstate and is why they are trying to take him and others down....


There was a really good show that got cancelled about intel analysts that shed
insight into how some of this works.....

" You do know they hide in plain view don't you ? "

Rubicon (AMC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Egu8fDL3cw0
Published on 8 Jun 2010
AMC's 'Rubicon' Conspires to Thrill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ncliULMdEA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubicon_(TV_series)

[Hervé]

[...]
Of course, if he was a disinfo agent, the MSM would have to attack Infowars to add to their credibility. One can’t tell by that.
[...]
There you go: concerted, orchestrated attack on Alex Jones echoed by the MSM big guns:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/sitelogos/logo_mol.gif (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/)


Thursday, Mar 1st 2018 7PM 4°C 10PM 5°C 5-Day Forecast (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/weather/index.html)

EXCLUSIVE: Fired Infowars staffers at war with Alex Jones - one claiming he was teased as the site's 'resident Jew' while African American worker says she was 'mocked' for her skin tone and Jones 'grabbed her behind'



Two former Infowars staffers have filed complaints with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission against the site's founder Alex Jones
Rob Jacobson, who is Jewish, alleges Jones bullied, ridiculed and humiliated him
Jones joked with staff who called Jacobson 'The Jewish Individual', 'The Resident Jew' and shouted 'Yacobson' across the office, Jacobson claims in his complaint
Jacobson also claimed that Jones called him 'Beefcake' - a homophobic slur
A second ex employee claims she suffered 'harassment and discrimination' at the hands of Jones and other senior managers at Infowars based on her race
Former production assistant Ashley Beckford said she was subjected to sexual harassment and racial slurs by her colleagues and upper management
She claims Jones groped her 'butt' during a 'side-hug' while 'pretending to feel sympathy' over an incident and asked 'Who wouldn't want to have a black wife?'

[...]



Full article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5419371/Former-Infowars-employees-claim-Alex-Jones-harassed-them.html

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Guilty of the two main "witch-to-be-burnt" positive tests:


antisemitism



sexual misconduct

[Cidersomerset]

There you go: concerted, orchestrated attack on Alex
Jones echoed by the MSM big guns:

Alex comments on this in the start of this latest segment and will say more later.
The rest of the segment is typical Alex.....

TRUMP KILLING 2ND AMENDMENT? - ALEX JONES INFOWARS

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Published on 1 Mar 2018

[onawah]

The dangers of ignoring the subtlety, skill and abilities to deceive of the puppet masters on so many levels is what I intended to draw attention to.
That is not head in the sand politics, it is penetrating beyond the crippling ability of the puppet masters of politics to dull minds with emotional toxins, to create division where there should be unity, to foster more and more identity politics and encourage and enable people to jump to the most obvious conclusions when the layers and layers of manipulation are so cunning that most only realize the truth of their entangling machinations far after the fact, and by that time, it is usually too late to do much about it.
You are talking about Loosh in your own post like you alone know what it is, DNA. Why should anyone accept your authority on the subject above any others?
What makes you conclude that I am combining Reptilian and Archon as if they are the same thing?
(I will decline asking you any other questions because I don't regard you to be an expert, and your attacks on me are:
ad hominem -- a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. .) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
Just to be clear, what I was suggesting is that the regressive Reptilians and the Archons have aligned agendas because according to our best information as far as I am aware, the Reptilians are being manipulated by the Archons, who feed off of negative human emotions such as the ones you listed.
Alex Jones has no monopoly on the truth about what is going on; there are many other sources.
It is the way in which his information is delivered that I have the biggest issue with, though forum members have raised other questions about his authenticity which are quite valid too.
I would not be surprised if the attacks on his youtube page are part of those machinations, just to make him look more like a hero to the undiscerning.
If the elites who must have been protecting him and ensuring his success all this time really wanted the truth to be aired in a constructive way that would not alienate so many and foster even more controversy, there would be hosts on numerous shows who are brilliant thinkers, who behave like rational, mature adults inspiring positive, constructive behavior, rather than people who shout, tear their hair out, cry like infants, and generally behave like raving lunatics.
Part of the puppet masters' modus operandi, as we know, is to ensure that the public is informed of what their murderous intentions and plans are, which in their minds, absolves them of any blame.
So they allow the truth to leak out, but only in such a way that they judge will serve their agenda.
At his worst, Jones is about as inspiring as trash TV host Jerry Springer, and for someone with that amount of air time, it's inexcusable, in my estimation.
IMHO
It doesn't mean that we have no hope, it just means that we have to become more intelligent and discerning and better at connecting the dots.



If the medium is the message, and creating Loosh is the prime agenda of Archonic/Reptilian agents and slaves, then Alex Jones must be high on the list of their prize lackeys.
The idea of Loosh is nebulous, many folks throw this term around like they know what they are talking about, Loosh is simply fear imbued energy, but we feed the archons sexually deviant energy, lie energy, haughty energy, self important energy and many others. But all of this pales in comparison to genocide energy which is what is about to take place, and this is what Alex is warning us about. Ask me why I believe the elite are about to try and end 95% of the earth's population and control the survivors from birth to the grave. Ask me. I'll tell you.

Also you are combining Reptilian and Archon as if they are the same thing, they are not.
Reptilians have an Archon attachment, but so do you, and myself and everyone else not named Buddha or Jesus. Removing an Archon attachment is basically becoming a super sonic avatar type. No one on this forum qualifies as that as far as I know so we are all in the same predicament.

You are preaching head in the sand politics with this loosh talk.
If you are spotlighting evil and it's agendas then you are creating loosh? You can keep your head in the sand if you want, but folks should say something in rebuttal when you recommend ignorance as a defense.
Ignoring the problem will not make it go away.

[Bill Ryan]

There are a number of intelligently and articulately expressed views here, and that's to be appreciated. This forum stands for that.

But, I'm going to ask a rhetorical question to some of the more strident critics and detractors. Even if you've not posted anything, and even if you're just a guest reading this from afar.

Stand alone in front of the mirror, in private honesty, and answer these questions:


Are you willing to make your real name and face public?
Are you willing to make your voice public?
Are you willing to come out of anonymity to speak publicly for the truth, whatever you feel the truth to be?
What are you actually doing, yourself, to try to help make the world a better place — whatever you feel that better place to be?

If you can answer these questions positively, then I salute you. :highfive:

If not — always be aware that you may NOT be displaying the courage or integrity, flawed or not, of those you criticize.

[Helene West]

I couldn't care less at this point if Alex Jones worked for the CIA or Columbia Pictures out of Hollywood. The point is a sizable segment of America is championing tyranny. If you are not evidencing concern about faux racism, sexism and gun control you are under attack. That is the point.
Choice and options are being attacked, that is the point. Some are so brainwashed they consider a society without choice - freedom.

If one is not blind and deaf one sees AJ is overly emotional but that contributes to the uniqueness of his show. It's then up to you to determine with your intuition, knowledge and experience to decide if you want to listen or not. If not, don't. That is the point.

There are many of our young today, for some of us our own grandchildren, that do not want you to be able to make that decision on your own.
The ruling class is giving our young this carrot stick of despotism to their fellow americans and they are like crackheads going for the high of fascism in action.

[Cidersomerset]

Full scale attack on Alex....By Clintons lawyers firm and others...

Alex Jones Fully Discredits False Claims Of Sexual Assault

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Published on 1 Mar 2018
The statements and accusations alleged by Ashley Beckford and Rob Jacobson
and false, fabricated lies aimed to destroy the reputation of their former
employer and illicitly make money.

Alex Jones: I’m Taking The Gloves Off, And Will Fight MSM’s Coordinated, Defamation Campaign
The Alex Jones Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu8-_0DK1HU
Published on 1 Mar 2018
Alex Jones is going all out to accumulate the resources necessary to combat the
false claims made against him in the court system as the mainstream media
bolsters his accusers' far-fetched claims.

[Mark]

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[Cidersomerset]

I noticed a longer less edited version on the links....

Louis Farrakhan: An Open Dialog With Alex Jones (Full Interview )

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Published on 21 Jan 2016

[Mark]

Thanks Sir! I haven't watched the full interview yet but Alex goes in deep with Farrakhan. They share many of the same understandings. BTW, Farrakhan also has a history of being associated with the FBI. He was implicit in the Malcolm X murder. He swears up and down it is not true of course and that he never dealt with any alphabet agencies, but the rumors are still there.

[DNA]

(I will decline asking you any other questions because I don't regard you to be an expert, and your attacks on me are:
ad hominem -- a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. .) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem


I apologize if you feel I attacked you personally, to be honest this topic is insanely important right now.
I honestly feel that we are in the midst of the final days, and there are very few willing to fight what is coming.
Alex is a strong source of hope for our future as far as I'm concerned.
What he says may seem doom and gloom, but it is the truth, or at least the core of his message is.
I apologize again if you feel what I said was an ad hominem attack on you, in my opinion it was not, but I'll admit it may have felt that way if you had read what I wrote about dynamo because that most definitely was.
In my opinion Alex is putting his life on the line every single day. And not only his life, but the life of his family as well.
Alex stated how Joe Rogan was threatened about discussing the truth, and Rogan fell in line like many of us here would have.
Not Alex, he doubles down and many times I think his screaming and yelling are at those who have threatened his life.
Those who attack him or either evil, the pawns of evil or truly ignorant in my opinion.
My respect and admiration for him is for the most part unmatched.

[Vernaianawa]

Yes DNA, the Rogan Jones podcast gave him imo huge creds, mind you I was anti Icke once upon a time also lol.

[Cidersomerset]

Yes DNA, the Rogan Jones podcast gave him imo huge creds,
mind you I was anti Icke once upon a time also lol.


We have all had our road to Damascus moments and I did not really get into David
Icke until I got on the web around 2005 though I knew him from his BBC days as a
sports presenter. Alex similar and as I said earlier its only since the election of the
Donald that I have watched a lot of him and his team and for all their faults they
have been a excellent source of news to add to all the others mainstream and
alternate to get a clearer intel/data/news picture as Dr.Corsi and others has been
doing with Qanon.

We are all intel warriors on here or we would not be here except the on troll or bot
& Al.gor - ithms ....:highfive:


A fake story but fun gif......
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2013/11/04/a-cautionary-tale-for-politicians-al-gore-and-the-invention-of-the-internet/?utm_term=.830a0a6f6920

[Tam]

I wouldn't say he's with the CIA as much as he's simply a zealous, raging lunatic.

He may have nailed one or two noteworthy things, but 99% of what he says is downright idiotic. He's alt-right, with an extra dose of "definitely irrevocably biased, possibly nuts".

His wife being Jewish has 0 to do with it, IMO. Not everything is a Zionist Illuminati plot. People who blame everything on Zionism/the Illuminati/the Globalists/Elmo are just as deeply misguided and delusional as a New Age Ascension hippie who thinks that sexy Nordic aliens and their diminutive Grey friends are here to Save The World.

While Greys and Nordics and the Illuminati almost certainly exist, to blame everything on them, whether as a means of salvation or slavery, is doing more harm than good. While I'm personally sure we've been played with, a great degree of responsibility still lies solely within ourselves. Not everything is a Plan. Sometimes, s**t happens.

Alex Jones is more than likely one of those things.

[yiolas]

Very well said Mike ! I have been listening to AJ off and on for years now. He has opened my eyes to quite a few things regarding the Deep state; the so called "elites" with their satanic agenda, which among others include pedophilia, depopulation agenda and the dumbing down of the population, the reality of chemtrails, toxins in our food, water and air. I could go on and on and on about what he touches on. He brings up many topics that we are free to research on our own afterwards. I also think that it is a low blow to bring up the religion or not of his former or current wife. Beyond that, yes he loves America and is a libertarian.

[onawah]

I agree the topic is important and the times are critical, but I think we need to stay as sane as possible when addressing the issues, not letting anger and angst rule the day, so thanks for remaining reasonable. :nod:
Doom and gloom is not the problem; there's no question that our world is at a very perilous junction indeed and I have no intention of minimizing that.
I don't dispute the truth of much of what Jones says, though he doesn't touch on a lot of very important subjects and he doesn't always get things right.
But Infowars is hardly above reproach nor should they be protected from constructive criticism, particularly since they do enjoy such a wide audience.
IMHO, if they were more intelligent and reasoned in their approach and in their research they would be getting much better results, and if their backers, whoever they may be, were concerned only with getting the truth out to all levels of society, including those who find their histrionics off-putting, they would find a better way to go about it.
I certainly agree that it's critical the public comes to know the truth about the so-called "conspiracy theories" we have been discussing on Avalon for years now.
My issues with Jones and Infowars in general has always been the way in which the messages have been delivered, which in my opinion, wrap the truth in a package that distorts the messages themselves and encourage people to despair and to act out in dangerous ways, rather than uniting in taking calm, considered and effective action.
The elites like nothing better than to incite the masses to rioting and violence, giving them the perfect excuse for even more draconian oppression.
Generally speaking, belligerent individuals often enjoy being in the limelight and inciting others to behavior that simply causes more disruption, and I don't think they deserve medals for that.
You wrote:
Those who attack him or either evil, the pawns of evil or truly ignorant in my opinion.
Informed, constructive criticism is not attack, nor is it evil.
My motivation is not to hide the truth, but to limit obfuscation of truth, which can come in many forms, some of them so machiavellian that even those with the best of intentions can be thwarted, deceived and manipulated.
Whether Jones is a willing or an unconscious pawn of very skilled puppet mastering or not, I cannot say.
But I try not to underestimate the deviousness of the enemy, and their willingness to deploy every trick in the book that they can to further their agenda.
I have become much less trusting over the years, the more the layers of decades and centuries of deception have been peeled back.
I don't think I can state my views more clearly than that.





(I will decline asking you any other questions because I don't regard you to be an expert, and your attacks on me are:
ad hominem -- a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. .) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem


I apologize if you feel I attacked you personally, to be honest this topic is insanely important right now.
I honestly feel that we are in the midst of the final days, and there are very few willing to fight what is coming.
Alex is a strong source of hope for our future as far as I'm concerned.
What he says may seem doom and gloom, but it is the truth, or at least the core of his message is.
I apologize again if you feel what I said was an ad hominem attack on you, in my opinion it was not, but I'll admit it may have felt that way if you had read what I wrote about dynamo because that most definitely was.
In my opinion Alex is putting his life on the line every single day. And not only his life, but the life of his family as well.
Alex stated how Joe Rogan was threatened about discussing the truth, and Rogan fell in line like many of us here would have.
Not Alex, he doubles down and many times I think his screaming and yelling are at those who have threatened his life.
Those who attack him or either evil, the pawns of evil or truly ignorant in my opinion.
My respect and admiration for him is for the most part unmatched.

[Cidersomerset]

Info wars and others are on the front line of the U'tube/Google attack and
they are important to the cause of free speech and more imo....

He does a lot of segments and the best way I find to watch his show
is via the U'tube videos preferably without the adds. He is biased
in that he is a libertarian conservative and the news articles and
reports they analyse should be seen with that in mind. I don't
agree with all their assessment's but I use his reports in conjunction
with others to try and get a picture of what is happening in the fluid
news cycles. They are a independent news organization.

Bare in mind all mainstream news operations have been infiltrated
by intel since its inception in WW1 & 2 all media was censored as
part of the war effort and during the cold war operation mockingbird
and other programmes were introduced and still used up to today.

Info wars as are all media outlets are open to intel surveillance ....

Dr.Corsi acknowledges Info wars for their help.

DR JEROME CORSI: YOUTUBE CHANNEL RESTORED! - INFOWARS

David Knight

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Published on 2 Mar 2018

[onawah]

Also to intel infiltration as per your posts here and the latest Corbett reports:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101933-The-Weaponization-of-Social-Media-Corbett-report-1-3-18&p=1211521#post1211521


Info wars as are all media outlets are open to intel surveillance ....

[Cidersomerset]

Also to intel infiltration as per your posts here and the latest Corbett reports:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...21#post1211521

Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

Info wars as are all media outlets are open to intel surveillance ....

It is sad that nothing maybe what we think it is,then you get into a different part of
the alternate community. It depends what level we look at this and many things
contradict each other. You then go into the realms of David Icke and others...

But whether Alex is a good or bad force in the Information Wars I would say good
depending on your viewpoint if you disagree with his politics then you may say bad.
I do not think he is a shill , what it says on the can is what you get from Alex and
crew most of the time. Remember they do a lot of shows and analysing with adds
and filler it is easy to find something you dislike or disagree with and his rants
can be annoying and is why its best to get edited vids imo....

I have posted a lot of his segments over the past year so I must think its worth
while . You can go round in circles on this media merry go round so I'm jumping off
for now.......


Alex has backed Trump 100 % but has been questioning him more lately
and in this most recent one he is not happy with gun control unless it
is a feint. Alex is worried Trump is losing his way ?

LARRY PRATT: CONCERNS, TRUMP GOES SIDEWAYS! - ALEX JONES INFOWARS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlHGYC51h9M
Published on 2 Mar 2018

[amor]

I am glad to have seen the video about Mr. Cooper. It is clear that the Builderberger crowd heard his promise to protect himself and his family with he gun if necessary and they sent a HIT SQUAD up there to MURDER HIM, just as Janet Reno did to the Branch Dravidians and Ruby Ridge. This was a MESSAGE to any REAL AMERICANS who would protect themselves from the NWO thieving, homosexual, devil worshipping, child killing, cannibals who run the corporations and banks and own the politicians.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

Thanks Sir! I haven't watched the full interview yet but Alex goes in deep with Farrakhan. They share many of the same understandings. BTW, Farrakhan also has a history of being associated with the FBI. He was implicit in the Malcolm X murder. He swears up and down it is not true of course and that he never dealt with any alphabet agencies, but the rumors are still there.

That's what I was just thinking about, looking at Jones and Farrakhan standing together. The look in Jones' eyes is mischievous, like he's in on a joke with Farrakhan.

Farrakhan may be FBI but I think Jones' connections are more military and Zionist. He refers to his platform as the "tip of the spear," which is military terminology/symbolism and the emblem of Special Operation Command.

https://s8.postimg.cc/3mze9pztx/jones_1.png

https://s8.postimg.cc/wcma6m3wl/jones_2.png

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But at the end of the day I also agree with Helene that there are bigger fish to fry out there, and we don't really even know whose side Jones is working for anyway. He might be doing a tightrope routine between two different factions now for all we know. His recent divorce from a likely Mossad agent, who then went online trying to smear him, might be some kind of clue. Who knows. There are definitely worse characters out there though, even if he were 100% a shill just to make us look bad.


The US and Israel became so tight by the time Bush II was in office, our military included, that I can understand how he could be a patriot, working for the military, and working for Mossad's interests, all at the same time. When the neocons were in power, it was considered patriotic to be pro-Israeli. I even knew a guy who had never been to Israel in his life, and wasn't Jewish, but got an Israeli flag tattooed on his arm. So it wouldn't surprise me in the least if some scenario like that were going on.

[Star Tsar]

The Joe Rogan Experience

Episode #1255 | Rematch : Alex Jones Returns!

Published 27th February 2019

Joe invites returning guest Mr Alex Jones & Eddie Bravo for a air-clearing, conspiratorial chat...

(Quite lengthy those interested may wish to view in sections)

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[graciousb]

Whatever you think of him, his total de-platforming recently (even including Paypal), gives lie to the idea that he was just a deep state shill. He called it right in saying the US is headed for Chinese style censorship (if you look online now in the states you'll notice some big demographic aggregators are already starting with a similar ''social scoring'' , which China has begun to implement (low score = you can't even get a cab never mind an apartment or job, and biometrics will connect you to the score), he also had influence on the 2016 US election with his large following and anti Clinton stance and that was where he signed his death warrant (so to speak). We are on such a precipitous slide to censorship and total control and he was a canary in the coalmine.

[Star Tsar]

The Joe Rogan Experience

Episode #1255 | Rematch : Alex Jones Returns!

Published 27th February 2019

Joe invites returning guest Mr Alex Jones & Eddie Bravo for a air-clearing, conspiratorial chat...

(Quite lengthy those interested may wish to view in sections)

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Seconds out round two!

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[muxfolder]

The Joe Rogan Experience

Episode #1255 | Rematch : Alex Jones Returns!

Published 27th February 2019

Joe invites returning guest Mr Alex Jones & Eddie Bravo for a air-clearing, conspiratorial chat...

(Quite lengthy those interested may wish to view in sections)

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Apparently people do find Alex interesting. So far 12 313 371 views and 114 450 comments. :jaw:

[Valerie Villars]

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Rahkyt, I am finding the video above fascinating, if only for the expression of ideas. Without choosing sides. Just expression. Leaving all preconceived beliefs at the door. Thanks. :)