Repost of a CopBlock.org article, "When should you shoot a cop" (link in Post #14)

[sirdipswitch]

We lost when they made Wyatt Earp a hero, for taking away everyone's guns.

That one act... made people believe that Law inforcement had the "right"... to do so.

[Michelle Marie]

I don't need to read about abuse of power by police officers. I've experienced it!

What to do? I don't know.

Corrupt courts ignored hard physical evidence, "lost" police dashcam, and corroborated a ridiculous lie in court.

I have a Federal 1983 Civil rights case in limbo.

Essentially, I was walking down the street with a cell phone camera on. Passed one police officer giving a traffic ticket. Second police officer stopped and demanded that I put down the camera-phone. He took it from me (on video) and handcuffed me and took me to jail after going through my purse (found nothing). Never been arrested or manhandled before. Went to the hospital and had a ring cut off and wrists bandaged. Hospital did not report ring being cut off, but I have a video of that, too.

The charge: interfering with a peace officer investigation.

Since there was no real probable cause, they made up this lie for reports and court: that I showed the officer giving a ticket pictures on my phone.
Hard evidence proves otherwise.
Our justice system failed.

I'm still recovering from the PTSD that this caused.

Abuse of power must be exposed and stopped.

Help us all.
MM

[Shannon]

This just fits...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgPqUx4c9-M
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IgPqUx4c9-M

[Marikins]

Michelle Marie, your story is extremely upsetting. Covert operation is evil's modus operandi. Remember when US Sec of Defense Rumsfeld blamed "Those darn cameras!" for the public outcry against the rape and torture of prisoners of war in Abu Gharib? Never mind he approved specific tortures and was notified a year in advance that this was going on. It's those darn cell phones!

I am all for real-time video relay from dash cams and body cams to the Cloud that is publicly available. Where in the past people would be embarrassed to be videos being arrested, I think I would prefer it to avoid being shot or beaten.

Really sorry for what you were and are going through. You really are being a warrior. Much power to you.

[Bill Ryan]

Michelle Marie, your story is extremely upsetting.



Wow, no kidding. :facepalm:

:bearhug:

[LivioRazlo]

I am ashamed that our Indiana legislators have ruled this, but nothing will stop me from killing a cop and his buddies who think they will trample my inalienable rights.

[Kano]

This just fits...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgPqUx4c9-M
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IgPqUx4c9-M

Ah yes, I still love that album. Some major anthems there. This is also a pertinent jam for this thread.

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[Carmody]

IMO, regardless of any simple uncluttered or unemotional veracity of the ideas and thoughts behind such a matter as the subject of this thread, I'm not sure that this subject header belongs on this particular forum. This is a subject that can be used as a headliner in attacks that might be used to shut the forum down. To use the existence of the thread, in a totally out of context manner, after the fact of, in the latter moment -- of anyone or any group who might be trying to lower the boom on this forum.

It is a dangerous subject for this reason alone and should be viewed with the proper amount of both logic and suspicion, regarding potential directions things can move in.

Once the forum is gone, there is no defense, no righting, no repair. In the same way that a brigand, thief and killer only requires a moment of hesitation when at your door...this is the sort of case where defense matters not, as everything -- is after the fact of defeat, and there exists only total control of data and conditions in the given aftermath.

ie, once dead, the only thing that mattered, was that moment of hesitation, as the thing that could not be afforded.

I think that this subject should be stopped and locked on this forum. I think that wiser heads will see it that way as well. If someone had to say it openly first, then I do so, right here.

I'm not afraid of the subject, not at all. What I'm not comfortable with.... is the opening it leaves for any detractors of the forum.

[Marikins]

It is a dangerous subject for this reason alone and should be viewed with the proper amount of both logic and suspicion, regarding potential directions things can move in.

You are right, Carmody in that it might be used in that way, but yet the flip of it - "When should officers open fire on citizens" or Use of Force policies in every city's police manual is common place. Not disagreeing with your point, just pointing out the imbalance. The difference is one is sanctioned by law. Maybe this points out a way in which we give our power away, via law.

[Carmody]

the title of the thread and the subject matter is entirely provocative in a mainstream mindset, which is what makes it dangerous for the forum.

Effective dissent also involves not provoking the elements which are easily leveraged by said detractors to be effective against your cause, when one is in a weakened position.

IMO, logic tied to analysis prevails and says that this subject is not suitable for this forum.

It's skirting the edge of acceptability and logic in analysis of the ideas of being acceptable...which is how one probes a defense and breaches it.

That which is liberal survives by it's openness. That which is liberal dies by it's very openness. Plato had his weak spots and that's now they did him in. One must take in account the mainstream and the masses in all areas where they are manipulated... when attempting to help wrest their future from the control of brigands and sociopaths.

The understanding that the subject inclusion on the forum can be either entirely innocent ..over to to being entirely Trojan, is a first point in analysis, and remains it's core point in analysis.

Due to that alone, it must be considered as a risk, and thus considered for deletion and lock down insofar as acceptable subjects go.

Enemies, forces of the brutal and totalitarian... and their techniques... work and execute their plans in the areas of risk and chance, areas of greyness ---as that is their doorway, in it's entirety.


To add:

This subject, on this forum, is a hole in it's armour, a hole or breach in it's boat.

The eventuality of defeat when leaving holes or weaknesses as existing... in or on any given thing, situation, life in motion, ..or...forum in flow and use, whatever the subject of the outside probe, in potential....the eventuality of defeat, is, over time --- total.

My opinion is both logical and subjective, and debatable. Which, in analysis makes it a grey area weakness.... which in effect ....makes it effective as a tool in the hands of detractors.

Everyone, every thing, every effort, every motion, every movement, every struggle, every war, every animal, every prey, every predator, every thought process, every conflict situation possible...all of it is taken down by this exact sort of blind angle of attack.

This is what makes it a red flag and alarm bell for the forum.

[Shannon]

I agree, carmody...it's essentially click bait, plus it's from the copblock.org peeps so maybe a mod can change it to reflect where it came from?

It's an important message though just an obnoxious title that we are waaay above. Avalonians don't shoot anyone...well, maybe air kisses ... :D :X

[ThePythonicCow]

This is my infamous "When Should You Shoot a Cop" article, as read by me. Let the emotional tantrums begin!



- by Larken Rose

This article was previously posted in June 2011 at http://www.copblock.org/5475/when-should-you-shoot-a-cop/. As you can see, that website is still on the air, almost five years later.

My personal preference is to continue to call these things as I see them and support others who are also helping us to better understand.

I would rather not act out of fear of oppression on key issues. I will "play by the rules" on details that aren't a big issue to me. But on important issues, I prefer to do what I think is best, until perhaps when and if the Bastards in power and their agents openly show their hand and force me to do otherwise.

If and when that happens, I will then make a choice, whether to be a martyr (whether that be physically or in my freedom or presence here.), or whether to say "Yes sir, yes sir" and live to fight another day.

Perhaps I react this way because I have neither a history of being openly and personally suppressed by the Bastards in Power, nor any prior incidents that went sour, with their armed thugs masquerading as police, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc agents.

Let us not "do their work for them", out of fear of what might happen.

... whether or not we should apply my personal choices to how we administer this Avalon forum is an open question.

[ThePythonicCow]

... plus it's from the copblock.org peeps so maybe a mod can change it to reflect where it came from?
Good idea ... done ... thanks!

(Title of thread changed to state the origins of this article, and details given in my Post #14 just above.)

[Carmody]

Any form of insurance and patching is welcome, when it comes to areas of potential weakness, IMO.

To continue? Yes, why not. To patch it a bit --if in continuance? Only logical.

[ThePythonicCow]

Let me step back a bit from the emotionally overloaded topic, to suggest my view of what's going on here.

The Bastards in Power endeavor, many a time, to get us "ordinary people" fighting tooth and nail (and bomb and bullet) against each other.

They will arm and indoctrinate some susceptible members of a population (some young men seem most susceptible) to become armed thugs or military over some other portion of the population. They will empower other members (some older men seem most susceptible) to impose their power over and to indoctrinate the "masses". They will leverage the resulting conflicts to demolish existing family, community and other associations, and to enhance the power of their own organizations and influence.

We have blacks vs whites, rich vs poor, man vs woman, citizens vs cops, north vs south (as in the American Civil War), East vs West (as in the Cold War), Christians vs Jews vs Muslims, whites vs oriental, "Americans" vs "Indians", Arabs vs Europeans, BRICS vs NATO, NAZI's vs Jews, ... and on and on ...

In my view, we have a multi-faceted challenge here.

We need to better understand what's going on.
We need to form better bonds with other "ordinary people", far and wide.
We need to protect ourselves from the weapons, prisons and surveillance of those who persist in such evils.
We need to disarm and bring peace to the hearts of those organized to attack us.
We need to permanently disable those who will not be dissuaded from attacking us or inciting us to attack each other.

The challenge seems ongoing, without an end either way, neither in total, World Domination, for the Bastards in Power, nor in their total defeat.

The challenge is perhaps ongoing due to an inherent weakness in us humans. We each face a never ending challenge to integrate all the various layers of our being, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, conceptual, ...

I see this weakness myself in several conceptual areas that I study.


Our monetary system (debt-money) is deeply deceptive and the truth understood by few of us.
Our "modern physics", relativity and quantum mechanics and electromagnetism, is deeply deceptive and the truth understood by few of us.
Our "conventional standard of care" medical system is deeply deceptive and the truth understood by few of us.
Our political systems are deeply deceptive and the truth understood by few of us.

(Of course, I cannot claim to be amongst the few who really understand any of these matters ... but I struggle on.)

But in each of these areas, I see the same thing happening. After a point, people are unable to keep their own reality and experiences coherent, unable to maintain integrity across all these levels, and instead submit to the "conventional understanding". That conventional understanding is often deeply flawed on important matters. The flaws are apparently deliberate, and certainly complex and evolving.

[ThePythonicCow]

On the suggestion of one of my fellow moderators, I changed this thread title again

From:
When Should You Shoot a Cop? (Repost of CopBlock.org article - link in Post #14)
To:
Repost of a CopBlock.org article, "When should you shoot a cop" (link in Post #14)

[ThePythonicCow]

I see this weakness myself in several conceptual areas that I study.
I could add other items to this list, including our food, our morality, how we care for our young. and how we care for our planet.

So many areas ... so little time :).

[friamin]

Joe I agree with you.

[ulli]

It doesn't mean one should throw all caution to the wind, just because one wants to attract attention with a controversial headline.
Carmody's concern for Avalon's future was justified.
Let's we forget:
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/67290_501221083271430_47697231_n.jpg?oh=56c5d5e5b035f2bccf9340f18fc0f814&oe=575D5D7E

[ThePythonicCow]

It doesn't mean one should throw all caution to the wind,
Yes. Just because I might have a legal right to wave a red flag in front of a bull, doesn't mean I choose to.

Best that we be aware of which acts are likely to provoke retaliation by the bastards in power, and that we make a conscious choice when doing such acts, whether the risks are worth it or not.

Imagine working for a boss who is an amoral ahole. Jobs are tight, and you'd be in a tight spot if you lost the job, as would your family depending on you. In such a case, if it were me, I'd let the small cr*p pass, without objection. But if I was asked to commit a substantially immoral act, I'd have to take the risks of standing for what's right.

That roughly reflects my recommendations on how we should manage a website such as this. We "work for" (live within) an amoral ahole regime. We could not easily recreate a community such as Avalon ... that takes time. My priority is to keep us able to do the important work of sharing understanding, experiences and support with other similarly intention-ed people. Small stuff, little details that are not significant to our continued success, but are more risky than average, aren't worth making a big deal of. If some difficult to define threshold is passed, then we must stand on principle. That's how I've lived my life for over a half century, ever since I started making conscious decisions at that level.

Yes, I have freedom of speech. But, no, I don't tell an ahole cop who is giving me a speeding ticket that he has an ugly gut. I say "Yes sir, yes sir", and accept the ticket ... even if his gut makes Henry Kissinger look like a pretty boy.