The Big Picture - Project Camelot

[Robert Baird]

The Big Picture - Project Camelot



I find the site well worth reading for the many actual open-minded scientific things discussed. I have shown alternative explanations for many assertions including the Crystal Skull, Michael St. Clair and David Wilcock. I regard channellers with disdain except when proof is forthcoming, there are many alternative futures. I have difficulty with going back in time as they say is the case with Roswell, but Stealthskater tied my personal experiences with Dan Burisch's work and it could have some relevance science has yet to discover. They jumped the shark on 2012 and have mixed good and bad throughout the site. I could sum it all up with 'they are appealing to fears and building hoaxes to make money, along with many who are doing the same things. Quantity of references from eager hoaxers and flakes, does not reality make.' It is very easy to read a little and learn a lot but still know nothing to speak of.




The visitors who crashed at Roswell were future humans 1. They were not from another planet 2, but from a future Earth – stepping (which may be a better word than traveling) back in time to 1947 to attempt to deal with serious problems which had occurred in their history 3. Their mission was to try to change their past by creating an alternative branch of their own timeline, so that particular events – about to happen to us in our very near future – would not actually occur.

The Roswell visitors were on a purely altruistic mission. They did not have to do this, but chose to... out of compassion. But the mission went disastrously wrong – not just because they crashed (an accident caused by high-powered radar – later the military realized this and made use of radar as a weapon), but because they had a device with them which was their only means, as an orientation device in time and space, to get them home and back to their own time.

The device was a little box, highly advanced and multifunctional in nature, and was far smaller than the "Looking Glass" that Dan Burisch 4 and Bill Hamilton 5 describe as being subsequently utilized by military scientists in various experiments. When the box was acquired and investigated by the military, this became a catastrophe in itself. It made the timeline problem many times worse, because this both introduced time manipulation technology to us at the wrong time... and also told the military what lay ahead.

It can not be stressed too strongly how totally calamitous for us all the Roswell incident was. It was a major, major setback, right at the start of the future humans' project to help fix the problem. Acquiring a device such as that which the Roswell visitors carried would immediately alter the timeline which the future humans were trying to change in the first place... so there would then be two timelines that need fixing, and not just one.




NOAA, the Dark Star, and Global Warming

A small organization within NOAA (the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) is aware of what scientists there sometimes call the “second sun”. This is a massive astronomical object, possibly a brown dwarf 6, which is on a long elliptical orbit around our own sun on an inclined plane to the rest of the planets. To align with other researchers 7, we'll refer to this as the Dark Star.

The Dark Star is now approaching, and is causing resonance effects on our sun in various ways 8. This is the cause of the warming of all the planets, not just the Earth 9. This information is classified, but has been known for a number of years 10.

This issue is connected with the Roswell catastrophe described above. The problems the future humans were attempting to address were multiple, but principally featured a possible event triggered by a massive 'spike' of solar activity at some point in our currently near future.

We emphasize most strongly that this event is only possible (having been observed in Looking Glass devices in a possible future)... and, importantly, is now evaluated to be unlikely 11.

The increase in solar activity is caused only in part by the Dark Star, multiple factors being at play. These are complex. Some of them are on a galactic scale 12, and are associated with natural, periodic events which the Earth has suffered through a number of times previously. What makes this particular time completely unique for our planet is that there is a convergence of serious factors – such as global warming 13, overpopulation, and our propensity for choreographing war 14 – all of which combine with these major, cyclic and solar events to simultaneously threaten the well-being of ourselves and the biosphere.

The large-scale events are unstoppable. It's also unclear when the 'spike' of solar activity is due to be - though our understanding is that this is imminent, and could occur at any time in the next ten years or so. Although the issue has been considerably hyped, it's impossible not to observe that the year 2012 15 is right in the middle of this bell-curve of probability.

http://projectcamelot.org/big_picture.html

I have presented explanations and observations about the use of orgone or other weather altering science at Roswell that fits with the original explanation of weather balloons which also had a Mylar metal hybrid exoskeleton construction such as Marcel's son kept and people say is alien. Put Wilhelm Reich and Ed Leedskalnin, Jacques Vallee, Robert Anton Wilson and Tesla into the search engine for more.

[wnlight]

I am unconvinced in the likelihood of the viewpoint expressed by Robert Baird. In particular, points 1, 3, 4 and 5, 6, 8, and 9. Therefore, I cannot accept his conclusion. Even so, I thank him for his posting. In the light of Baird's first paragraph, I look forward to some expansion of these assertions. I have heard them all before - promoted with little (if any) evidence or scientific analysis.

[Robert Baird]

Dear wnlight

Those points are being made by the people I say are wrong at Project Camelot and for which I have explanations. Therefore it would appear we agree.

I see you live in Cuenca, I am considering living there but wonder how safe the banking situation is. First I will be going to SE Asia/

[Wide-Eyed]

I am unconvinced in the likelihood of the viewpoint expressed by Robert Baird. In particular, points 1, 3, 4 and 5, 6, 8, and 9. Therefore, I cannot accept his conclusion. Even so, I thank him for his posting. In the light of Baird's first paragraph, I look forward to some expansion of these assertions. I have heard them all before - promoted with little (if any) evidence or scientific analysis.

Mean while ...DrJFarrell a researcher with over 20 books under his belt and extensive footnotes on technology and history of the world before and after Roswell sites Col.Remmey of the US Army asking "where are the 'Nazi' Norten Bros?" referring to the prolific project paperclip Nazi aeronautical engineers the Norten Brothers.

[Robert Baird]

Again - I expressed no such belief - I was refuting those comments at the site I gave in a link and quoted from.

Dear Wide

I have done many books too. And I have done all manner of research with an open mind. I can explain any event or supposed evidence of any alien intervention or physical interface.

Here is some more addressing another cultist money grubber.

Christi Verismo and Universal Seduction

You can see a lot more about many alien overlord types who somehow need puny Earth Governments to plan for the use of Earth technology such as Tesla developed from writings in the Bible addressing Harmonics known millennia before and called The Lost Chord, or Logos. Christi's work is available on Angelfire and if you believe it, your tin foil helmet will not save you and no tachyon pulse defense system will matter one iota.

There are many Armageddon BELIEVERS and people speaking for G-d who will tell you THEY know about the Aliens among us or the Devil who is above (or somewhere else - it varies). The genre includes logic such as the Nephilim were proof of ancient hybrids and human development which there is no evidence of said technological development potential in human history. It certainly was true in the history I was taught in the late 50s and 60s - that no good explanation existed for much of what Von Daniken and others said. The whole genre is indeed seductive for those who will not study and/or those who fear science which their masters on pulpits assure them is only operating on Theories and the science knows nothing compared to what they know as they speak for GOD.

You will find many good sources used by myself and Christi or other people who make money. Like my friend Jim Marrs in Alien Agenda or whatever the name is of his book based on the proven lies of Sitchin and Von Daniken. I have an open mind and I have had many experiences with back-engineers and Skunk Works officials and the like. I was on Jim's site for years with other researchers and we gave him reason to proceed down these paths to some extent. I think (NOT Believe) I have the framework for the science which Tesla used and Cathie or others write about. I have collected the evidence in archaeology and all hard sciences which dovetail with all personal experiences I have had and there is nothing alien as far as Intervention going on. It makes an excellent cover story to have people like Christi, Jim and Linda Moulton Howe being fed things like once were fed to the National Enquirer. Government disinfo operatives have confessed (Walter Bosley for one), and reporters at the New York Times and other places have also said they were paid to create deep cover for black ops, I know people who worked with the god helmet technology in the 1960s and I have written a book based largely on Tesla's own autobiography up to the point he went Black. It is not important that I employed his great grand-niece in 1981, because she knew next to nothing. It is important that I hired her and was aware of him and his work at that time.

The good sources are quoted alongside the bad sources and there are sources like Tom Bearden or Bruce Cathie who are partially on the alien agenda side and partially not or not sure of what is going down. It takes a lot of time to keep on top of everything and I do not disrespect Jim Marrs for not knowing about these things as much as I think he should have before going off half-cocked. I have less respect for his ultra-conservative political head-in-the-sand ideas. You can read David Guyatt and many others to get the gist of what has happened in recent science, Sharon Weinberger and Alan Barker are great sources as well. If your interest is in writing a book all you have to do is quote a bunch of these people alongside whatever religious cult denomination you BELIEVE in and voila - you can make money and go on the convention circuit.

You can also read about my experiences in Chichen Itza: Time or other more far out things in history in books on Ancient Technology and The Lost Chord. In Hitler versus Frabato and "The Charm of Making" I even allowed myself the freedom to support Franz Bardon's cosmogony which is similar to Urantia and other Rosicrucian or Dragon Court initiatives to some extent. I have used a lot from Gardner's Genesis of the Grail Kings having a sub-title addressing ancient cloning and other technology or rituals. I have shown him wrong and Jane Roberts in Seth Speaks (who I also learned a great deal from) is just taking things few people knew and making history come to life though speakers like Tesla's father and grandfather or Gurdjieff and others including Blavatsky have done. When you see Lucis Trust or Alice Bailey mentioned in Angelfire's extensive coverage of what I will soon quote - you are indeed looking down a BIG rabbit hole - Alice!

"A major NSA defector revealed that US has been carrying out continuous research into electromagnetic propulsion at Pine Gap since 1966, which was originally started in US after the war. Security aspects have included hypnotic and post hypnotic keys planted in personnel prior into acceptance into the project. {Futurescape was under-funded and starting to go far beyond this almost childish level of the technology including Persinger, Del Gado and Wilder Penfield and others going back to the 60s.}

A man has claimed his father worked on UFOs at Pine Gap. He worked for the FAA in 1970 fixing the programming of mainframe computers. He was one of only two or three in the US who knew whatever program they were installing. During the late 70’s he made several trips to Australia. When his father came to visit, he had a locked briefcase that was chained to him. They were then followed everywhere. His father said he was working on a flying saucer, involved with anti-gravity propulsion, melding the computer elements together for the guidance or stability part of it, underground at Pine Gap. {I discussed using ESP bandwidth as the substrate for this approach with a VP over-seeing the Skunk Works when I lived in Long Beach in the early 1990 era.}

Pine Gap locals have seen 30 ft wide white disks being unloaded from large US cargo planes at the airports with the USAF emblem on them. Many are seen flying at night. {My high school physics teacher worked with Von Braun and when he came to Canada he worked on flying saucer technology at Avro Arrow.} Much furniture has been delivered. An enormous amount of food is apparently stocked in warehouses of what could be a multi-leveled underground city. DR Jean Francois Gille writes that shares {So fundamentally naïve that I hope no comment is needed.} put on the market at the same time will cause a world stock market crash. Cash will be worthless and the risks of a global planned confrontation will be high.

Underground bases will serve as a place of safety for politicians and international financiers. Plastic cards will be necessary and the setting up of a world government ensuring ‘peace'. Many will be taken to concentration camps. Our new ‘Masters’ have the alien’s support that they have made alliances with. William Cooper says all the CIA Directors and Secretaries of State were all members of the Council on Foreign Relations and also the MJ 12, which includes Kissinger. They rule US. {The author of much of this is Professor Quigley and he and I agree that what they do is OK - we just need to know what is actually going on. In the 1970s I drove through DC area one night and heard open discourse about it all on radio - no secrets here.}

The secret government kill America’s children for the alien projects according to their agreements with alien nations to rule the world jointly. They can make US currency worthless at any time and bring everyone under control with their global credit card. In 1996 witnesses saw a triangular craft descend at an area west of Pine Gap and many UFOs have been seen coming and going regularly from camouflaged entrances at Pine Gap. Scientists and various aliens, (mostly reptilians claiming to have once originated from earth, with DNA of a 2 legged earth sauroid) that the US govt. has made alliances with work together underground there. Genetic research in the form of human/alien hybridization and anti-gravity experimentation is done at Pine Gap and other underground US bases.

Stan Deyo also asks if Pine Gap could be a man-made city of multiple levels, used to shelter key US personnel in the event of some disaster. Among some of the major contractors and suppliers for Pine Gap have been Collins Radio, McMahon Construction, LTV aero-space company, a conglomerate of electronics and aircraft manufacturing subsidiaries and IBM Stan says it is rumored that there are super IBM computer systems on a floating platform, ‘down the well’ underneath the facility. IBM has mammoth computers which can recognize both voice and visual patterns.

Their main memory sizes are said to be in excess of 2,000,000,000 bytes. The first 2 antennas for controlling and communicating with satellites were constructed in 1966-67. In 1974 unauthorized photos and other information from inside the faculty are reported to have been sold to Russia. In 1991 Pine Gap was instrumental in tracking Iraqi SCUD {They made a lot of fear spread but are so basic it almost makes me laugh.} missiles, with satellite imagery tracking the Iraqi troops."

[DbDraad]

Good thread full of good reads, but if even a minute portion is true, then there must be some disinfo too. How to tell the truth? Go with your gut...your real gut feeling and not what you want to believe. Difficult to tell the difference. ..for me at least.

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PS, my gut tells me that more than 80% are true, but the less than 20% distortion makes it extremely difficult to get to the complete truth.

[Robert Baird]

My gut is enhanced by decades of research and experience. NOT one alien intervention in history has any truth unless you are talking dimensional information transfer or attunement. If you have any particular one you think is true - please post it. Don't bother with any crash site stuff - clearly extra-terrestrial life exists and has billions of years more evolution. If they can navigate through space at faster than light speed (see Alcubierre research) they will not crash a vehicle.

I lived very close to Area 51, I met back engineers and had discourse with the top Skunk Works executive on more than one occasion. Yes, I know what is at S4 and 5. Black ops and future research is exciting.

[Robert Baird]

The possibility of energy sources in ancient times that no historian working for the paradigm will discuss grows more realistic every day. Dr. Don Robins described megaliths as macrochips - he was a very accomplished person in archaeology whose inventions bring us better means to date artifacts and many other things. The Dragon Project researchers included Cambridge mathematicians using magnetometers. It is near to certain that attunement sciences and metaphysics was more developed before the Carolina Bays event destroyed most cities and killed most humans. Today you will hear scientists working on Gravitational Wave research say metaphysics is more real than old physics. The pentagon dodecahedron allowed major energy flows through the megaliths - it had twelve major center points and our Mr. Brown has calculated three of them. Ivan Sanderson added more and I think Mt. Yamato or another part of the Antarctic is one as well. Everyone agrees (most real thinkers) that the Great Pyramid was central to it but it was built long after the people with the real knowledge had used smaller structures there to affect many things including advanced psychic ability. In the research on Pine Gap we have submarines with antennae being powered at a great distance - VRIL antennae receiving power from the Megalithic power plant could do likewise. Indeed we have a modern day effort to use the Earth Energy Grid. Tesla probably would roll over in his grave. The Pentagon dodecahedron and Earth Energy Grid is now a lot more powerful.

http://www.millennium-ark.net/stans.files/Cosmic_Conspiracy_items/Pine_Gap_CC.html

The following myth has many facts and many guesses as is true of the Bible. Archaeomythologists must work forward with modern science and backward in other ways including symbology beyond mere linguistic insight. Runes are from Ogham and the people writing this knew about elemental energies often referred to as demons or demi-gods. Mere energy but how much consciousness is there in energy? Modern science may soon have answers - watch Futurescape!!!!

http://www.vrilology.org/atlantis_page.htm

http://bibliotecapleyades.lege.net/ascension/esp_ascension_5_2.htm


Alfred North Whitehead is a panentheist luminary and philosophical genius with the heart of a true mystic like the great sages and alchemists of the dark and hidden past. I especially like these brief words of his.

"Mathematical physics presumes in the first place an electromagnetic field of activity pervading space and time. The laws which condition this field are nothing else than the conditions observed by the general activity of the flux of the world, as it individualises itself in the events."

[seah]

NOAA, the Dark Star, and Global Warming

A small organization within NOAA (the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) is aware of what scientists there sometimes call the “second sun”. This is a massive astronomical object, possibly a brown dwarf6, which is on a long elliptical orbit around our own sun on an inclined plane to the rest of the planets. To align with other researchers7, we'll refer to this as the Dark Star.

The Dark Star is now approaching, and is causing resonance effects on our sun in various ways8. This is the cause of the warming of all the planets, not just the Earth9. This information is classified, but has been known for a number of years10.

This issue is connected with the Roswell catastrophe described above. The problems the future humans were attempting to address were multiple, but principally featured a possible event triggered by a massive 'spike' of solar activity at some point in our currently near future.

We emphasize most strongly that this event is only possible (having been observed in Looking Glass devices in a possible future)... and, importantly, is now evaluated to be unlikely11.

The increase in solar activity is caused only in part by the Dark Star, multiple factors being at play. These are complex. Some of them are on a galactic scale12, and are associated with natural, periodic events which the Earth has suffered through a number of times previously. What makes this particular time completely unique for our planet is that there is a convergence of serious factors – such as global warming13, overpopulation, and our propensity for choreographing war14 – all of which combine with these major, cyclic and solar events to simultaneously threaten the well-being of ourselves and the biosphere.

The large-scale events are unstoppable. It's also unclear when the 'spike' of solar activity is due to be - though our understanding is that this is imminent, and could occur at any time in the next ten years or so. Although the issue has been considerably hyped, it's impossible not to observe that the year 201215 is right in the middle of this bell-curve of probability."


Hi OP, would you clarify if this quote is something of yours or are you still quoting Camelot here? I am having difficulty making sense of what it is you are on board with and which material you feel is misinformation.

[Robert Baird]

Dear Seah

Bill corrected that OP to remove the color I had around the whole quote from Project Camelot. He thought their quote on the NOAA matter was what was important, I guess,

It is not any more important than the rest of their NONsense.

This is at least the third time I have said so. My words are not in "quotes" in that OP.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill corrected that OP to remove the color I had around the whole quote from Project Camelot.

A clarification: what I did was to edit the post to indent the extracted Camelot text for clarity. It had no different color. There was the risk it might have been confused with Robert's own comments, so I wanted to support the readability of what he was saying.




He thought their quote on the NOAA matter was what was important, I guess

Actually, no... I paid no attention to the content, and just added the indent for optimum readability of Robert's post. What I do see now is that I failed to indent the entire Camelot extract, as I'd not read the post properly. My apologies... now corrected, with all of it indented as it should have been when I edited it.

:thumbsup:

[Becky]

My gut is enhanced by decades of research and experience. NOT one alien intervention in history has any truth unless you are talking dimensional information transfer or attunement. If you have any particular one you think is true - please post it. Don't bother with any crash site stuff - clearly extra-terrestrial life exists and has billions of years more evolution. If they can navigate through space at faster than light speed (see Alcubierre research) they will not crash a vehicle.

I lived very close to Area 51, I met back engineers and had discourse with the top Skunk Works executive on more than one occasion. Yes, I know what is at S4 and 5. Black ops and future research is exciting.

Hi Robert, are you able to elaborate on this at all? Sounds fascinating...