PASSED, aged 94: William (Bill) Tompkins, ET and Nazi UFOs Whistleblower [Archive]

Cidersomerset

8th March 2016, 22:06

These seem to be articles taken from and based on William Tomkins book with
correlating info from Michael Salla.

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Apollo Missions Ended Because Extraterrestrials Prevented US Navy Bases on Moon

Written by Dr Michael Salla on January 29, 2016. Posted in science and technology, Secret Space Programs

ETs Prevented Navy Bases on Moon
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ETs Prevented Navy Bases on MoonThe U.S. Navy planned to put 10,000 people on the Moon in the early
1970’s as part of a secret lunar bases program that was to be established through the NASA Apollo program.
According to William Tompkins, a top aerospace designer who worked for major NASA corporate contractors
during the Apollo era, the covert Navy plan came to a crushing end during the Apollo 11 mission when Neil
Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were met by a fleet of menacing extraterrestrial spacecraft.

Tompkins’ account of what really happened on the Moon is explained in his recently published autobiography,
Selected By Extraterrestrials. At the time of the Moon landing, Tompkins worked for TRW, a leading aerospace
corporation that built the first NASA satellite, Pioneer 1.

TRW was responsible for a range of critical components used in Apollo spacecraft, and its personnel were in the
operations center for Apollo missions. Tompkins was a TRW employee from July 1967 to March 1971, and
describes his role in helping design the Launch Operations Center at Cape Canaveral, Florida.

Earlier, during the final two years of his 12 year employment at the Douglas Aviation Company (1950-1963),
Tompkins’ innovative designs for planned Apollo missions had greatly impressed Dr. Kurt H. Debus. In July
1962, Debus had become the first Director of NASA’s Launch Operation Center (renamed the Kennedy Space
Center after the JFK Assassination), a position he held until his retirement in November 1974.

In 1963, Debus appointed Tompkins to a Working Group for the future Launch Operations Center. The two held
many confidential meetings over the future of the Apollo program, and discussed its real mission as part of an
ambitious Navy space program called “NOVA” for secretly establishing military garrisons on the Moon, Mars and
nearby star systems.

The Apollo Moon landings were only the first stage of an ambitious four stage plan for NOVA. Stage 2 of NOVA was
to put 10,000 people on the Moon. Stage 3 was to place bases on Mars and other planetary bodies in the Solar System.
Finally, Stage 4 was to place manned Navy bases in 12 adjoining star systems.

To support his radical claims, Tompkins provided several documents in his autobiography. The first is a 1963
Douglas Aviation Company study of the launch vehicles to be used in the covert NOVA program.

NOVA rocket launches

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The second is an April 15, 1963 Memorandum from the Douglas Aviation Company. It confirms Tompkins’
appointment by Dr. Debus to the Launch Operations Center and the designs he was working on for NASA.

Douglas Memo confirming Tompkins on LOC Committee

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Tompkins describes what he designed for the Apollo Missions and NOVA:

As Engineering Section Chief, I conceived dozens of missions and spaceships designed for exploratory
operations to the planets that orbit our nearest stars. I designed a station to be built on Mars, massive
NOVA vehicles and equatorial launching facilities. I also designed multiple 2,000-man military bases for
our Moon… I designed the checkout and launch-test systems for the Apollo Moon Saturn V, SIV-1B and
reassembly with the command control Moon vehicle, a near complete redesign of the major facilities
operations for the entire Launch Control Center. (Selected by Extraterrestrials, p. xix)

During the Apollo 11 Moon landing in July 1969, Tompkins says he was in the NASA Launch Operations
Center at Cape Canaveral as part of a large TRW contingent. He states that television cameras from the
Apollo Lander provided a live feed of what was being witnessed by Armstrong and Aldrin.

Tompkins explains how Armstrong and Aldrin were met by a fleet of extraterrestrial spaceships that were
ominously close to the Apollo Lunar Lander:

The Landing Module (LEM) actually impacted the Moon surface in the Sea of Tranquility Crater, which had
tremendous size vehicles parked around part of its rim. When astronaut Neil Armstrong made that First
Step for Man on the Moon he looked up to the edge of the crater and said to mission control: “There are
other ships here, they are enormous. The public did not hear that statement or see the massive alien
starships. Armstrong panned his camera in a 360 degree motional all around the crater and the CIA then
classified the information as way above top secret. ” (Selected by Extraterrestrials, p. 418)

Tompkins drew a picture of what he witnessed on the Apollo live feed camera along with other TRW and NASA personnel.

Starships menacing Apollo 11 Mission

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How this extraterrestrial action effectively put an end to the covert Navy plan, thereby endings its support for the
Apollo program, is described by Tompkins:

The Extraterrestrials put up their “NO TRESPASSING” sign but allowed us to make several other additional Apollo
landings to pick up a few rocks and play in the sand. The action of the extraterrestrials stopped our plans to build
our manned Naval Base on the Moon. (Selected by Extraterrestrials, p. 428)

What Tompkins claims he saw happen via the NASA live feed of the Moon landing is consistent with HAM radio
intercepts of the live feed, and the claims of former NASA employee Otto Bender.

According to Bender, the Apollo 11 astronauts transmitted that they were being watched by large alien vehicles.
Bender confirmed that HAM radio operators had indeed intercepted VHF signals transmitted from Apollo 11 to
NASA’s Houston headquarters with the following message, which NASA screened from the public:

Mission Control: What’s there ? Mission Control calling Apollo 11.

Apollo 11: These babies are huge, sir … enormous….Oh, God, you wouldn’t believe it! I’m telling you there are
other space craft out there… lined up on the far side of the crater edge… they’re on the moon watching us.

In an August 27, 2012 blog post, Dr Stephen Greer revealed that he spoke with close relatives of both Armstrong
and Aldrin who had been told the truth about what the astronauts had seen on the moon:

Close friends and very close family members of both Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin have separately told me that
indeed there were numerous, large UFOs around the crater where the Lunar Module landed and that these were
seen by both Armstrong and Aldrin. I have also spoken to military officers that have seen the footage of this event
– but it has never been made public.

Greer’s testimony is significant since it supports Tompkins’ claim that there was a live video feed recording what
Armstrong and Aldrin were seeing.

So why did NASA eventually terminate the Apollo missions if extraterrestrial visitors were there and watching the
Earth? The answer according to Armstrong, as relayed by an unnamed Professor at a NASA symposium, is as follows:

Professor: What really happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible … of course, we had always known there was a possibility … the fact is, we were warned
off. There was never any questions then of a space station or a moon city.

Professor: How do you mean “warned off”?

Armstrong: I can’t go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology
– Boy, where they big! … and menacing …. No, there is no question of a space station.

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally – NASA was committed at that time, and couldn’t risk a panic on earth…. But it really was a
quick scoop and back again. (Above Top Secret, p. 186)

The unnamed Professor was first quoted by Timothy Good in his ground breaking book, Above Top Secret (1987),
and he corroborates Tompkins’ claim that NASA was warned off the moon, and that there were plans to build a
“moon city.” The city was in fact planned to be a U.S. Navy base that was part of the NOVA program.

The extraterrestrial occupants of the large star ships intimidating the Apollo 11 mission did not want the U.S. Navy
establishing a beachhead for future military bases on the Moon. By preventing the U.S. Navy in moving forward
with its plan to put 10,000 people on the Moon using a number of NOVA rocket launchers throughout the 1970’s,
the NOVA program effectively came to a crushing end in July 1969.

It would take the U.S. Navy more than a decade before it could complete the construction of its first antigravity
space vehicles as part of its Solar Warden program. According to Tompkins and other whistleblowers, the first U.S.
Navy space battle groups were deployed in the early 1980’s during the Reagan Administration, thereby establishing
a U.S. Navy presence in deep space for the first time.

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Cidersomerset

8th March 2016, 22:21

William said in the above vid with Jeff Rense that the NAZIS first landed on
Mars in 1945 but crashed killing the crew...

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US Navy Spies Learned Secrets of Nazi Anti-gravity Spacecraft

Written by Dr Michael Salla on January 19, 2016. Posted in Secret Space Programs

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Navy & NazisDuring World War II, a top secret espionage program was led by the
United States Navy to infiltrate the black programs of Nazi Germany that were
successfully building antigravity space craft capable of interplanetary flight. Covert
naval operatives were embedded inside a number of Nazi Germany’s advanced
aerospace programs and tasked to report back what they had seen. This
information was then relayed onto various U.S. corporations specifically contracted
by the Navy that would begin designing and eventually building a variety of
antigravity vehicles, including kilometer long space carriers.

These startling claims have been made by ex-Navy whistleblower William
Tompkins, who in December 2015, released the first volume of his autobiography
titled Selected by Extraterrestrials: My life in the top secret world of UFOs., think-
tanks and Nordic secretaries. Tompkins says that he approached a Navy Admiral in
2001 to see if he had approval to write about his experiences:

Early in 2001 I called on Admiral Hugh Webster, Navy League Corporate Director,
Washington DC and San Diego CA. We had a five hour meeting on my ongoing book
–writing concerning the extraterrestrial threats to our planet. After Admiral Webster
read portions of my document and backup technical documentation, I asked
Hugh, “How much of this can I include in a published book?” He said. “Bill; TELL IT
ALL. This is most important to our country. Don’t leave anything out.” [back cover]

Tompkins first public appearance was on the Jeff Rense show on December 14,
2015 (also Dec 23 & Jan 6 – pt 2), where he describes some of his book’s
disclosure filled content. Tompkins went into detail about how he was recruited
into the Navy’s covert espionage program during WWII to study and reverse
engineer Nazi-designed antigravity space craft.

Tompkins story begins in 1932, when he was only nine. He says he was taken by
his father to the Naval shipyards in San Diego where he began the first of many
public tours of destroyers, cruisers and aircraft carriers that were periodically
docked. The public was not allowed to take photos of the ships whose gun
placements and radar designs were still classified.

Possessing a photographic memory, Tompkins says that he walked all around the
ships and took notes of what he observed, and soon after began reproducing the
ship designs. Eight years later, Tompkins had built many flawlessly accurate
detailed models of the navy ships he had seen, and his father was selling them in a
Hollywood Department store.

After the Navy learned about the model ships in 1941, displaying top secret details,
they interrogated both Tompkins and his father, and the models were withdrawn
from public circulation. The Navy top brass were nevertheless greatly impressed by
Tompkins remarkable talent.

Tomp007sA March 26 article in the Evening Outlook newspaper of Santa Monica
featured a photograph of Tompkins (now 17) showing some of his ship models to
Navy Captain G.C. Gearing, Commandant of the 11th Naval District in San Diego.

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Rear Admiral C. A. Blakeley was quoted in the Evening Outlook story:

It is with considerable interest and pleasure that I, together with officers of my
staff, examined several of the ship models. Craftsmanship such as you have
evidenced shows that you are a keen student of detail and naval construction. Best
of all, however, you are doing something worthwhile as a young American—you are
helping to build into the American mind the importance of the nation’s first line of
defense to each American, young and old.

His photographic memory and ability to reproduce complex ship designs were
extraordinary, and a U.S. Naval Intelligence Officer, Lt. Perry Wood, understood the
contribution Tompkins could make to the Navy’s pursuit of advanced technology:

Early in 1942, naval intelligence officer Lt. Perry Wood, understanding the technical
capabilities and historic research necessary to create the ship models, put together
a mission package that resulted in Bill’s induction into the navy. After completing
boot camp in San Diego he was assigned a position in naval intelligence on
advanced technology projects. [source]

Tompkins abilities had come to the attention of the Navy’s senior leadership. This
included the then Secretary of the Navy, James Forrestal, and Admiral Rick Obatta
whose responsibilities, according to Tompkins, included covert intelligence projects
run out of North Island Naval Air Station at San Diego.

Tompkins claimed Admiral Obatta placed him on his personal staff for four years
(1942-46), and quickly elevated him to a leadership position in a covert intelligence program:

Though only a third class seaman, he replaced a Commander at North Island Naval
Air Station in San Diego. Tompkins said that his mission statement was personally
signed by Secretary Forrestal:

The mission statement read in part, “To compile and maintain a continuous survey
of the activities of experimental research laboratories, other governmental
agencies, educational scientific institutions, manufacturers and research engineers.
To undertake upon his own initiative, or at the request of any bureau or office of
the Naval Air Forces, studies of specific instrumentalities and techniques for the
purpose of outlining research projects.”

In his December 14 interview on Rense, Tompkins claims that he sat in on
meetings attended by Admiral Obatta, one or two Captains, and the naval
operatives reporting on what they had observed in Nazi Germany.

Tompkins subsequently told this writer on January 16 that there were 28 Naval
operatives with the rank of Lieutenant used in the covert program. They all had
German ancestry, which allowed them to easily infiltrate Nazi Germany.

Tompkins’ job was to reproduce the complex designs which were either described
by the naval operatives or contained within the documents they possessed, and
then take these reproductions to different corporate Navy contractors. The
contractors would proceed to design, reproduce and test various elements of the
anti-gravity spacecraft, which were at various stages of production in Nazi Germany
facilities in Europe, South America and Antarctica.

What the naval operatives were further reporting is astounding. Tompkins claims
operatives revealed in the top secret debriefings that up to and during the World
War II, there were two flying saucer programs under development. The first was a
largely civilian effort that predated the Nazi rise to power in 1933, while the second
was led by the Nazi SS.Tompkins said that the civilian German space program had
been inspired by a Nordic group of extraterrestrials who were communicating
through young female German mediums.

The second program was assisted by a group of extraterrestrials called the
Reptilians, who had reached secret agreements with Hitler.In 1939, Tompkins
asserts that the Nazi SS was given the location of three large caverns in Antarctica
by the Reptilians, and proceeded to move the bulk of the German secret space
programs there.By 1942, when it became clear that the war was lost, the Nazi’s
accelerated their efforts to relocate the best scientists, engineers and vital
resources to Antarctica through specially built submarines capable of carrying very
large cargoes.

Tompkins learned that the Germans achieved great success and failures in their
space program efforts. Of particular note was the first space flight to Mars in late
April 1945, which had a crew of 30, including three Japanese astronauts. This
stunning achievement ended in disaster when the spacecraft crash landed, resulting
in the death of the entire crew.

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After he reproduced the ship design information he had gained from the covert
Navy operatives spying on the German space programs, Tompkins says he then
took these designs to various top secret corporate facilities. These included Douglas
Aircraft Company at El Segundo and Santa Monica, Lockheed, and an underground
facility run by Caltech at China Lake.

From 1950 to 1963, Tompkins was employed as a draftsman with the Douglas
Aircraft Company. Here he says that he worked with two attractive female Nordic
extraterrestrials who were employed as secretaries, and they telepathically guided
him in the designs for the more advanced space craft that would eventually be
secretly built by the U.S. Navy.

Tompkins experience at Douglas with the two “Nordic secretaries” suggests that the
U.S. Navy had reached a secret agreement with a friendly group of extraterrestrials
in the early 1950s to develop their own space program. It would become the
counter to the Nazi/German space program in Antarctica, which was being helped
by Reptilian extraterrestrials.

Tompkins story sounds incredible, but key elements have been verified by the
book’s editor, Dr Bob Wood who first began investigating Tompkins’ claims in 2009.
Serendipitously, Dr Wood was employed with Douglas Aircraft (later McDonnell
Douglas) over a 43 year period, and worked at Douglas at the same time as
Tompkins, even though the two had never met prior to 2009.

Among Dr. Wood’s assignments, while at Douglas, was to research UFO reports to
determine the feasibility of flying saucer designs for the aerospace industry. He was
assigned this task by the Douglas aerospace company after he met with chief
executives:One day after I reported to a couple of VP’s on how we were doing, one
of them asked me personally if I was doing anything interesting outside of my
job. ‘You’re not going to believe this, but I’ve read about 50 books on UFOs’, I said,
and ‘the amazing conclusion I have come to is that they are very real
extraterrestrial craft’. The only thing that’s uncertain is whether we find out how
they work before or after our competitor Lockheed. After a moment of silence one
of them (VP) said, ‘how much would it cost to take a look at that question’?
Therefore we started a project, quite low key to take a look at the question of how
they work.

Dr. Wood was able to corroborate the names of engineers, scientists and projects
at Douglas, which Tompkins referred to. Tompkins was also able to supply
documents that confirmed that he was in charge of a U.S. Navy project in 1945, as
he claimed, and that Douglas was interested in designs of kilometer long spacecraft.

The significance of Tompkins claims cannot be understated. They corroborate the
key claims of a number of notable whistleblowers with alleged knowledge of secret
space programs. In particular, Tompkins material adds substantive weight to the
testimony of Corey Goode, whose groundbreaking claims were investigated in the
book, Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and Extraterrestrial Alliances.

According to Goode, he learned about the history of the secret space program he
served on from “smart glass pads” that he was given access to during his covert
service from 1987 to 2007. These smart glass pads contained intelligence briefings,
which Goode later revealed in his testimony. The information closely corresponds to
what Tompkins says he heard at the debriefings of covert naval operatives working
in Nazi Germany up to 1945.

One of Goode’s key claims is that Nazi Germany had developed not one, but two
flying saucer programs. The first was a civilian program led by Maria Orsic, a young
woman with exceptional psychic gifts who established communications with aliens
claiming to be from Aldebaran. This resulted in the design and building of the first
flying saucer craft under the auspices of the Vril Society.

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Maria Orsic led a civilian space craft program under the Vril Society

Similarly, Tompkins claims that one of the German programs was a civilian program
run by female psychics in communication with extraterrestrials. Tompkins
confirmed to the writer on January 16, that the leader of this group was Maria Orsic
as depicted on page 67 of Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and
Extraterrestrial Alliances. Both Goode and Tompkins claim that the second space
program was run by the Nazi SS.

Furthermore, both Goode and Tompkins claim that the Germans relocated their
most advanced space program assets to Antarctica and South America, prior to and
during World War II.Tompkins book also corroborates Goode’s claim that the first
successful missions to the Moon and Mars were undertaken by the German secret
space programs in the early to mid-1940s.

In addition, Tompkins, like Goode, claims that Operation Highjump was an
unsuccessful naval military expedition to locate and destroy Nazi bases in
Antarctica. Tompkins claims are truly extraordinary revelations by a former
employee of Douglas Aircraft Company and other aerospace companies working on
classified programs for the U.S. Navy. The fact that his claims have attracted the
support of Dr. Robert Wood, another former Douglas Aircraft employee, is highly significant.

The drawings Tompkins has supplied in his book is documentary evidence in
support of his claims that a secret space program was indeed developed by the
U.S. Navy, as a result of espionage by its covert operatives, of what the Nazis had
pioneered in their own highly classified antigravity technology programs prior to
and up to the conclusion of World War II.

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Cidersomerset

8th March 2016, 22:41

As I quite often find one vid leads to another ...................

Dr. Bob Wood Where ETs & Discs after crashes in US on Dr J Radio LIVE 2/10/15

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Published on 11 May 2015

Dr J Andy Ilias interviewed Dr. Robert Wood, world-renowned expert on verifying US documents
related to ufology plus so much more. A true asset to ufology, he appeared on February 10, 2015
on http://www.drjradiolive.com Listen live Tuesdays 7-9pm PT and Thursdays 7-9pm PT where
you can call in and ask questions yourselves at 818-923-1713; generally. Tuesdays hour 2 we
take calls and Thursdays are the guests who don't take calls. You can always see what is coming
and see if we have open lines by watching weekly the show site http://www.drjradiolive.com and
you can see so much more information.

Cidersomerset

8th March 2016, 23:12

Solar Warden went live in 1984 according to Michaels info which may explain
Ronald Reagans statements around the same time period and only a few years
before the end of the cold war.....

Dr J.Farell : solar warden secret fleet

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Published on 5 Jun 2013

Dr.Joseph Farrell's newest information about ""Solar Warden Space Fleet"" :
T.I.F.O.s, terrestrial & identified flying objects ! The Gary McKinnon case.
In actuality, since the late 1980s, the U.S. has contributed to a secret Space Fleet,
its program code-named "Solar Warden", and which has now grown to eight cigar-
shaped motherships (each longer than two football fields end-to-end) and 43
small "scout ships".

The Solar Warden Space Fleet operates under the US Naval Network and Space
Operations Command (NNSOC) [formerly Naval Space Command], headquartered
in Dahlgren, Virginia. There are approximately 300 personnel at NNSOC's Dahlgren facility.

The Solar Warden Space Fleet's vessels are staffed by Naval Space Cadre officers,
whose training has earned them the prestigious 6206-P Space Operations specialty
designation, after they have graduated from advanced education at the Naval
Postgraduate School in Monterey, California and earned a Master of Science degree
in Space Systems Operations.Both the Navy and the Marine Corps furnish men and
women officers to this program. Jarheads in space? You betcha!

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Foxie Loxie

9th March 2016, 00:38

WOW! Thank you so much!!

Cidersomerset

9th March 2016, 07:04

Also we should not forget Gary Mc Kinnons disclosure and personal
tribulations he had to go through, after his hacking disclosure of a
Ship to ship officer personal transfers of off planet craft.........

NASA Hacker 'Found Evidence America Has Space Warships'

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Hacker Gary McKinnon about NASAs UFOs and other technologies 2015

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uzn

9th March 2016, 07:45

KiwiElf

9th March 2016, 10:30

Regarding the Video "the nazi saucer that landed on the moon 1945" posted in this thread by Cidersomerset:
Thats Psyop/Disinformation!!! The Footage of the landing is the Ballantines Tape, as i remenber it was around 1964. A joint US/Russian venture. A Mr. Ballantine recived the transmission by accident cause he owned a Satellite-dish as the time (very rare). He got killed because of that but the video leaked out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Ugel4AkpE

Has nothing to do with nazis in space !! Dont fall for the disinfo !!!! Sorry Cidersomerset

The alleged 1945 German Saucer landing on the Moon - and later Mars - are completely separate incidents.

The video segment referred to above in post #4 is from the 1977 fiction-based-on-fact "Alternative 3" (which, in the book of the same name published after the British TV documentary/drama, claimed that the video footage - "The Ballantine video" - was actually authentic.

Ballantine however, was a fictional character in the Alternative 3 program as was astronaut Grodin played by American actor, Shane Rimmer, (loosely based on Buzz Aldrin. Rimmer also appeared in a James Bond movie but is more famously known as the voice of Scott Tracy from the original 1960's Gerry & Sylvia Anderson-produced puppet show, Thunderbirds). Interestingly, the above video (from Alternative 3), depicts Mars with blue skies and a reasonably habitable environment in contrast to the "stuff" we are being spoon fed about Mars from NASA.

In addition to perhaps taking a multi-media course, :o, whoever created/labelled that dreadfully produced video segment above is confused - & needs to dig a little deeper (just as many mistakenly believe that every UFO crash and alien must be from Roswell!) Likewise, the fictional starship ENTERPRISE from STAR TREK has little to do with Gary McKinnon or Solar Warden and the Secret Space Program - it's just added for effect :)

The entire Alternative 3 documentary is here - the "Mars Landing" segment starts at 48:40 (a bit clearer than the one above) ;)

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uzn

9th March 2016, 11:52

As to my knowledge the Ballantine´s tape was not produced by the producers of the "Alternative 3" Documentary. I have a way sharper version of the video (45MB), way sharper then the brodcasted version shown in "Alternative 3". By the way Alternative 3 was just aired one and never again ...
The original Version also has the exact date of the transmission in the name.
of coure i might be wrong.
Interesting read:
Alternative 3 by Leslie Watkins can be read here for free:
https://archive.org/details/Alternative3

KiwiElf

9th March 2016, 12:06

@ UZN
I have no idea where the "Ballantine Tape" was really produced but it is allegedly, an authentic flight over Mars in an ARV in 1964 :)

Alternative 3 was aired only once (in Britain, anyways - it was broadcast twice in NZ), but all the originals were also destroyed. Would be great if that clearer footage you have could be uploaded - I think a lot of us would like to see it :)

uzn

9th March 2016, 12:36

Im quite new here, is there a way to upload videos directly here or do i have to upload it on youtube and post the link? Same question for Pictures, is it possible to upload pictures here on avalon directly or do i have to upload them on some webserver and post the link? I have a picture of a nazi pressure-suit / spacesuit, really interresting.

While i wait for a response you can listen to some cool rapmusic ;)

for the more spiritual one´s: Immortal technique - one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcxGXANR8tI

for the fighters and berserkers among us: Immortal technique - Black Vikings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KCF0RvpkXw

uzn

9th March 2016, 13:21

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Thats supposedly a Solar Warden ship. Have no proof. Just figuring out how to upload pictures ;)

Cidersomerset

9th March 2016, 14:06

Re: Fade To Black...Dr. Michael Salla: New ET Whistleblower William Tompkins (now 92 yrs)

Regarding the Video "the nazi saucer that landed on the moon 1945" posted in this thread by Cidersomerset:
Thats Psyop/Disinformation!!! The Footage of the landing is the Ballantines Tape, as i remenber it was around 1964. A joint US/Russian venture. A Mr. Ballantine recived the transmission by accident cause he owned a Satellite-dish as the time (very rare). He got killed because of that but the video leaked out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Ugel4AkpE

Has nothing to do with nazis in space !! Dont fall for the disinfo !!!! Sorry Cidersomerset

I know its bogus , but it was part of the article , maybe I should of pointed it out ?
but I thought it was obvious , but maybe not ...LOL, thanks for pointing it out
anyway.

Cidersomerset

9th March 2016, 14:11

This is a speculative video ......

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Published on 15 Feb 2015

Today, we cannot produce machines that fly the same as UFOs do. They are flying by
means of artificial fields of Gravity. This would explain the sudden changes of directions.
This hypothesis would also explain the piling-up of these discs into a Cylindrical or cigar
shaped "Mothership" upon leaving the Earth. Because it is in this fashion, that only one
field of gravity be required for all the flying saucers. We cannot take credit for our record
advancement in certain scientific fields alone. We have been HELPED. And we have been
helped by the people of other WORLDS." - Dr. Herman Oberth NASA Space Scientist, 1972

Throughout the history of UFO sightings, cigar-shaped craft have been reported with
accompanying speculation that these large objects are "Motherships" that come from
very far away and contain the smaller, oft-reported flying saucers or triangular craft
that people claim to see. The "cigar" craft have been compared to ocean-going military
aircraft carriers.

FULL Article And Connection To Solar Warden: http://www.paranormics.com/cigar-shap...

Mark (Star Mariner)

9th March 2016, 14:19

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Thats supposedly a Solar Warden ship. Have no proof. Just figuring out how to upload pictures ;)

Thanks, that's an interesting picture. The object is definitely a real, physical object in the scene and not cgi. Do you have more information? Where did you get it?

It seems to be surrounded by what looks like a drydock, which does suggest it is a ocean-faring vessel. It does resemble a large ship keel, possibly a submarine. But I'd like to know more about it.

uzn

9th March 2016, 14:24

Cidersomerset i just saw the footage and thought i shoud point that out. You have posted incredible stuff here on avalon.
So i figured out how to upload pictures here, horray.

here it comes:
old german (i dont like to call all my ancestors nazis, because some were not) pressure/spacesuit
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some advanced (nazi) german rockets
(the Dornier Spaceshuttle design is pretty close to the Spaceshuttle)
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Solar Warden Logo-picture
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and last not least least some jeties with guns ;)
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have phun and Njoy

uzn

9th March 2016, 14:46

@Star mariner: It floated around in the www. But it matches the desciption of Corey Goode. He said that the first Solar Warden ships were manufactured in drydocks by the same guys that build submarines. And he said the wessels have about 9 floors, if you look at the picture and look at the size of the small buildings at the floor which are about 1-2 floors in hight, it matches.

To clarify the big picture of german advanced rockets i posted further up:
The pictures of the A-10 in flight are CG of course. The Dornberger Spaceshuttle is a concept drawing. All the advanced Stuff the allied forces took out of germany are way above top secret and will be not be released before 2020. Just to make sure there will be no claims and anybody involved will be dead by 2020.

@KiwiElf: The original Ballantine´s Tape is to big to post here directly. When i have a little more time i will upload it somewhere and post a link here.

KiwiElf

9th March 2016, 14:51

@ Bill & UZN
Great shot there UZN and congrats on figuring out the pic uploading aspect. Bill may be able to help you out with the video upload - I think we would all agree, if it is the genuine thing, it is worthy of closer examination. YouTube of course would be the other alternative as it can easily be downloaded with YTDownloader or similar. I remember the lower res original I saw as a kid on Alternative 3 was jaw-dropping ;)

@ Cider

I know its bogus , but it was part of the article , maybe I should of pointed it out ?
but I thought it was obvious , but maybe not ...LOL, thanks for pointing it out
anyway.
LOL I know old friend, this thread like all your other threads, is invaluable :) But you're indirectly and possibly correct in posting it. If we assume that the "Ballantine Tape" was authentic footage of Mars taken by an ARV, who's to say that the "ship" wasn't based on that early German Saucer technology?

@Star Mariner
Put "Solar Warden" into Google images and you'll find a whole lot more including the one that UZN has posted (which could be cgi or a sub, too). Fascinating!

EDIT:

Yes, the Solar Warden cigar ships are indeed allegedly based on a (very large) submarine design (not the USS Enterprise from STAR TREK ;))
Likewise, the early German Dreadnought spacecraft designs from the Haunebu era are just too similar to be coincidental (and allegedly built in the Zeppelin hangars).
Of course, all this is "speculation and conjecture"... (or is it?) :)

Bill Ryan

9th March 2016, 14:57

Citizen No2

9th March 2016, 15:23

My thoughts too.

I am split between believing the Solar Warden craft are assembled off planet, or in underground facilities........ The report of the hiker in the desert that witnessed a panel of the desert opening-up and one of the giant black triangles descending within may suggest this also.

Great thread, great info.

Regards.

Cidersomerset

9th March 2016, 19:21

Artistic concept......

http://www.theobjectreport.com/media/solar_warden_rev1.png

http://bestthenews.com/article/regarding-secret-space-program-tue-12292015-1624.html

Cidersomerset

9th March 2016, 19:49

( speculation)......

Another related subject is the Scy -fy / science cross over concept the idea that one
drives the other , that I and others have posted many times. I have mentioned
variation of this on many threads.There have been space concept in the movies
since the beginning and I did a post about a French movie about going to the moon,
possibly based on Jules Verne ? I cannot remember off hand.

Anyway I thought disclosure was coming in the late 1990's before the millennium
as even back then pre web there seemed to be quite a few movies , scy -fy shows
and documentaries.Some prominent ones were Roswell , Rendlesham , Phoenix
lights , Travis Walton and others. ( though we know much more now) Looking back
you would be surprised how much was about back then. Of course the original X
files and others shows were taking the subject seriously. Although most of the
mainstream tv and tabloids were not , and sighting of Elvis on the moon did not
help...LOL

Two of the series I thought were quite plausible, Space Above and Beyond and the
early Star Gate which was helped by the US military filming dept........

If Solar Warden did go live in 1984 , though I suspect the Secret space fleet is
decades older. The concepts of some of these shows may not of been far off the
mark , and maybe as some suspect being used as Hollywood and the media
genre in general has been used for propaganda and 'soft' disclosure since its conception.

They also had invitro humans 'Tanks' .......Unlike Star Trek and other shows ,
Above and beyond was set in the very near future and had the feel for me back
in the 1990's that it might well of been happening then in some capacity......

http://www.cyberpursuits.com/heckifiknow/saab/images/saab-invitro01.jpg
http://www.cyberpursuits.com/heckifiknow/saab/invitros.asp

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http://s4.postimage.org/n66qcxqwe/Space_above_and_beyond.jpg

http://orig03.deviantart.net/29a8/f/2014/033/e/d/scvn_saratoga_ortho_by_unusualsuspex-d74mf95.jpg

http://spaceaboveandbeyond.tv/graphics/cgi/hammers.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YyDPP0R-KBk/T5wJdK1Gi2I/AAAAAAAADLE/15zNRZ2GzO4/s1600/sa_hammerhead.jpg

There is also plausible deniability in the fact that NASA and others can also
quote any 'whistleblower' or unauthorised disclosure as 'Science Fiction'.....

Cidersomerset

9th March 2016, 20:21

From a previous thread posted for reference.....

Richplanet TV - 21/06/14 Show - US Secret Space Fleet Program

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Published on 14 Jun 2014

Please visit Richard D Hall's website RICHPLANET.NET http://www.richplanet.net ... to
see all his past shows, and so much more, covering all types of alternate issues that the
mainstream refuses to acknowledge.
Richard has mentioned the TR3B before. This is an alleged top secret aircraft or "space
vehicle" which has some quite incredible abilities. The source of the information is Edgar
Fouche who started making public disclosures in 1998 after retiring from his job as an
avionics engineer. So far his claims and disclosures have not been given the coverage
which they undoubtedly deserve. Fouche has hundreds of official USAF documents to
back up his claims. If he is correct, as the evidence suggests, then the U.S. have a
secret space fleet consisting probably of dozens of 600 feet wide flying triangles, which
can go to and from space with ease, travel at Mac 9 in any direction, traverse the solar
system and even land on neighbouring planets. As Ed says in his 1998 presentation
regarding the space shuttle program "THE JOKE IS ON US", we have all been fooled!

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Black Triangles: Cornerstone of USA Space Fleet?

Monday 23rd June 2014 at 05:52 By David Icke

From Terra Forming Terra @ http://globalwarming-arclein.blogspot.com.au/2014/05/black-triangle-cornerstone-of-usa-star.html

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Read more: Black Triangles: Cornerstone of USA Space Fleet?

http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/black-triangles-cornerstone-of-usa.html

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1998 presentation...Secret Government Projects & MJ12 Edgar Fouche

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Published on 19 Apr 2012

Edgar A. Fouché was born in rural south-central Georgia to fifth generation French
Americans. Edgar and many generations of his relatives have historically been involved
with the government and military in fields of intelligence, black programs, crypto,
secure communications, and classified development projects.

This is true as far back as the French revolution. Joseph Fouché was the Prime Minister
under Napoleon, the head of his secret or national police force and a direct ancestor of
Mr. Fouché. Joseph Fouché started and controlled the world's first professionally
organized intelligence agency. (Although I would suggest this happened earlier
under Francis Walsingham in the UK Tony Topping)

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1/2 Edgar Fouche - Alien Rapture - The Flying Triangle - Spectrum

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_NxCaZ3vI8

2/2 Edgar Fouche - Alien Rapture - The Flying Triangle - Spectrum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwoTRKCDAp8

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?72625-Richplanet-TV-21-06-14..-Edgar-Fouche-US-Secret-Space-Fleet-with-resarcher-Andrew-Johnson-Avalon-member&p=849228&highlight=Edgar+Fouche+TR3B#post849228

Cidersomerset

9th March 2016, 20:27

Another relatively recent related thread with a lot of presentations
from the 2014 and 2015 Secret Space Programme conferences....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88380-Jim-Marrs-Remote-Viewing-Aliens-Joseph-P-Farrell-Cosmic-War-Cosmic-Versailles-others-SSC-2015

Joseph P Farrell Cosmic War Cosmic Versailles

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Published on 19 Nov 2015

Joseph P Farrell - Cosmic War Cosmic Versailles HD
Secret Space Program Huston Texas 31st Nov 2015

Has there been a war fought on Earth many times before, in a cyclical pattern? Has
there been any alien involvement? Are their human sacrifices, and tithe paid?

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-hyQ6-FvN9mk/VjP5mBvkeOI/AAAAAAAAD2Q/6ipoKYrlZy0/s1600/space_war.png

Author Joseph P. Farrell returns to the best conspiracy podcast in the world to talk
about the idea of an epic cosmic war in humanity’s past. We’ve heard about this
possibility from the ancient texts of many cultures, but what Joseph is now doing, is
also looking at all the things that go into a post-war process when you’re talking
about a conflict of this size, and finding a plethora of parallels in the details of these
texts as well.

http://earth-liberation-movement.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/the-cosmic-war-treaty-of-versailles.html

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This is Josephs second presentation at the 2015 SSC......

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Joseph P Farrell - (ii) Cosmic Versailles Cosmic Tribute, Tithe & Cosmic War

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Published on 19 Nov 2015

Here J Farrell gives part two of his talk on the origins of the ET presence and how it has been
a repeating pattern throughout our history. The Fractal Spiral Tightens its grip.. will we learn
enough this time to change the out comes?? Or will the Cosmic War be fought once again?

Cidersomerset

9th March 2016, 20:35

Josephs presentations at the 2015 SSC were follow ups from his talks from
last year.....

Dr. Joseph P. Farrell - Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo presentation 1

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This is Josephs 2nd presentation from the 2014 SSC and ties in with the
previous presentations above..

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Joseph P Farrell at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo (presentation 2)

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Published on 9 Mar 2015

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88380-Jim-Marrs-Remote-Viewing-Aliens-Joseph-P-Farrell-Cosmic-War-Cosmic-Versailles-others-SSC-2015&p=1040508#post1040508

Cidersomerset

9th March 2016, 20:42

Michael Schratt at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo

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Published on 9 Mar 2015

Michael Schratt at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo

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Title: The Man-made vs ET Issue
We now have the technology to take ET back home

Run time: 1.28.19 min
Speaker: Michael Schratt
Produced by: Globalbem, Breakthrough Energy Movement
Language: English

Presentation

Michael will present evidence which supports the claim that elements of the
military industrial complex (specifically the American aerospace industry) have
designed, built and test flown saucer shaped aircraft which mimic the form, fit
and function of extraterrestrial UFOs.

Bio

Michael Schratt is a private pilot/military aerospace historian and has lectured across
the country on the unique subject of “Mystery Aircraft”, and classified propulsion
systems buried deep within the military industrial complex.

Cidersomerset

10th March 2016, 07:50

Bump article....

Ground Zero: Disclosure - Olav Phillips and Rob Daven on 'Solar Warden'

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Published on 21 Jan 2013

Tonight on Ground Zero, Clyde Lewis welcomes Olav Phillips and Rob Daven back
to the show to discuss their research into a secret space program allegedly known
as 'Solar Warden'. Is there really an 'Alternative 3'-like scenario? Were 'Strange
Aircraft Sighted In The Skies Over California'? Is this the weaponization of space
disguised as climate control? Don't lose your seat on the spaceflight to 'Solar Warden:
Revealing A Secret Space Agenda'! http://www.groundzero.fm/?p=episode&n...

Did You See Them

10th March 2016, 13:23

http://ontheroadtosouljoy.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/wpid-hqdefault.jpg

Thats supposedly a Solar Warden ship. Have no proof.

I very much doubt it! That looks much more like a submarine to me... a highly advanced spacecraft wouldn't be built in a shipyard, with sheet metal and rivets, out in the open for spy satellites (and anyone else) to take a good look at it.

"Hidden in plain sight"

I've often wondered IF there was a SSP where and how the ships were built and launched.
When we stand at the side of the dock and wave and watch "our boys" go out on their subs for a tour who is to say that once out at sea they don't just rise up and take to the heavens ?
Anti gravity would make anything no matter how "un aerodynamic" fly !
Same goes at Area51 - all those people pouring over the sat images for a glimpse of a shiny looking new bird on the tarmac only to miss the obvious - THAT large square boring hangar to the left of the empty runway "IS" the "UFO" they've been looking for all this time !!

As for just sheet metal and rivets - space ships today are nothing more than a cola cans thickness - and as ufo's have the ability to traverse underwater as well - a far harsher environment - they'd need the input and knowledge of shipbuilders more than aircraft designers in my opinion.

Mark (Star Mariner)

10th March 2016, 13:54

I don't go with the hidden in plain sight theory with these people, it makes far MORE sense to be hidden not in sight at all. I believe these things are built off world, or underground, far underground in remote facilities, where the surface is not covered by Google Earth etc. Area 51 ops were, some have alleged, moved to Utah after the Lazar debacle. Antarctica is another possibility.

And I still think the above image is an ocean vessel. Probably a submarine.

Bill Ryan

10th March 2016, 14:00

Did You See Them

10th March 2016, 14:08

"IF" it is a real pic then that's Some sub ! - and I'm sure they'd build that out of view as well, so that does lead me to think that its a fake photo but ... as far as anyone in the construction of the hull is concerned it is a sub their making - until it got its final "refit" elsewhere !!

Cidersomerset

10th March 2016, 19:43

Talking of Submarines and Scy-fy / science genre. From the 1960's another show
I enjoyed as a kid with the original Star Trek , Dr Who , Thunderbirds ,Captain
Scarlet and others that started my early interest in ET's and are we alone in the
universe.....LOL

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea

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The largest subs constructed the Russian Typhoon class.....

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Published on 4 Dec 2014

MEGA SUB! World’s BIGGEST SUBMARINE ever constructed! (Soviet Typhoon/Akula Class Submarine.)

This is the legendary Akula class submarine (the biggest in the world) that inspired the book and movie, The Hunt for Red October.

Constructed by the U.S.S.R and first deployed in 1981, this gigantic, nuclear-powered submarine is the biggest ever made.

Known by NATO as the Typhoon, it measures 175 meters in length (that’s about
570 feet) and displaces a whopping 48,000 tons when submerged.Its twin
pressurized-water nuclear reactors produce 255,000 thousand horse-power, each,
so it can travel quietly at over 50 kilometres per hour.Designed to operate for
months on end beneath the polar icecap, the Typhoon is armed with 20 nuclear
ballistic missiles, each equipped with 10 multiple re-entry vehicle warheads. This
means that the ice-breaking Typhoon can single-handedly shower a Western
opponent with 200 nuclear warheads.Six of these devastating Cold-War-era
machines were built, thankfully, due their age and budget constraints; there
remains only one Typhoon in active service.

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Set to launch, our nuclear Leviathan: The enormous scale of the biggest submarine ever built in Britain

By Daily Mail Reporter
Updated: 08:38, 14 December 2010

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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338351/Set-launch-nuclear-Leviathan-The-enormous-scale-biggest-submarine-built-Britain.html#ixzz42X3B5000
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Cidersomerset

10th March 2016, 20:05

Speculated possible undersea base of some kind ??

http://i0.wp.com/extraterrestrialcontact.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Malibu-underwater-base1.jpg

BREAKING NEWS: MASSIVE UNDERWATER UFO BASE DISCOVERED OFF MALIBU COAST OFFICIAL VIDEO

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Published on 27 May 2014

This is the official video by FADE to BLACK and their discovery of a UFO/USO base
entrance off the Malibu coast on May 12, 2014 by Maxwell, Dale Romero and Jimmy
Church, the host of FADE to BLACK on the Dark Matter Radio Network.
www.jimmychurchradio.com

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Interview with Bill Birnes starts aprox 32 mins in and they discuss the possible
undersea base ? for aprox first 30 mins of the hour segment with Bill.....

Ep.64 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Bill Birnes Dan Fogler Don Peyote LIVE on air

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Published on 18 May 2014

In the first hour Bill Birnes comes on to discuss the discovery of the UFO/USO Deep
Underwater Base off the coast of Malibu...the second hour we have Dan Fogler, star
of Balls of Fury and Fanboys to tell us why he directed and starred in his new
move, 'Don Peyote', the Illuminati, 911, UFOs, David Icke, David Wilcock and why
Dan went down the rabbit hole.

Cidersomerset

10th March 2016, 20:16

Hangar 1 The Ufo Files – Season 2 Episode 02 Underwater Ufos

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Shag Harbour Incident

http://www.crystalinks.com/shag-harbormap.jpg

http://www.crystalinks.com/usos.html

Cidersomerset

10th March 2016, 22:17

Underwater UFO USO Sightings

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Published on 12 Sep 2014

Full Documentary Films - Underwater UFO USO Sightings. Full Documentary Films -
Underwater UFO USO Sightings. Full Documentary Films - Underwater UFO USO Sightings.

An unidentified flying object, or UFO, in its most general definition, is any apparent anomaly
in the sky that is not identifiable as a known object or phenomenon. Such anomalies may later
be identified, but depending on the evidence or lack of evidence, such an identification may
not be possible generally leaving the anomaly unexplained. While stories of unexplained
apparitions have been told since antiquity, the term "UFO" (or "UFOB") was officially created
in 1953 by the United States Air Force (USAF) to serve as a catch-all for all such reports. It
was stated that a "UFOB" was "any airborne object which by performance, aerodynamic
characteristics, or unusual features, does not conform to any presently known aircraft or missile
type, or which cannot be positively identified as a familiar object." As originally defined, the term
was restricted to those fraction of cases which remained unidentified after investigation, with USAF
interest being for potential national security reasons and/or "technical aspects." (See Air Force
Regulation 200-2.) During the late 1940s and through the 1950s, UFOs were often referred to
popularly as "flying saucers" or "flying discs". The term UFO became more widespread during the
1950s, at first in technical literature, but later in popular use. UFOs garnered considerable interest
during the Cold War, an era associated with a heightened concern for national security.

Bill Ryan

13th March 2016, 23:46

:bump: and :focus:

... please! :)

William (Bill) Tompkins' testimony is potentially very important. He's fully supported by documents researcher Dr Bob Wood at the moment (who helped him put his book together), and Bob is very highly respected. I'd welcome some more informed discussion of what Tompkins appears to be telling us.

Cidersomerset

14th March 2016, 22:57

The The Honourable Henry W McElroy Jnr gives testomany about a document
he saw that leads him to believe that President Eisenhower was aware of the
ET presence on the planet and possibly had face to face meetings with some
of them......

Extraterrestrials and President Dwight D. Eisenhower Three meetings

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Henry W. McElroy, Jr, retiring State Representative to New Hampshire, declared
this week that former U.S. President Eisenhower was briefed about the presence of
extraterrestrial intelligent beings on Earth. McElroy also said that the document he
viewed while at the State Legislature made referrence to the opportunity for
Eisenhower to meet the alien visitors.

Cidersomerset

15th March 2016, 20:27

Michael mentions William Tomkins aprox 27mins only briefly and most of the
show is about other research he has done and is interesting from that perspective.
They cover a wide range of ET related topics and end up in the last 20 mins or
so proposing that an advanced ET group has put our solar system in a type
of 'frequency quarantine '....Right at the end he says he is working on the
information by his new 'whistle blower' .

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Disclosure,Secret Space Program Whistleblower Confirms 20 ET Races,Alien Tech,Dr Michael Salla

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Published on 2 Mar 2016

Have you ever wondered if our government has been in contact with extraterrestrial life?If they
cooperate and work together with extraterrestrial life, or are they the puppet masters? Have they
shared alien technology with us? If so, what would be the implications on world politics, the media,
sports, the economy ? Listen in on this interview and you will find out with Internationally recognized
political scholar and renowned author, Dr. Micheal Salla. Dr. Micheal Salla is the pioneer developer
of exopolitics, the study of that would affect human life politically, as well as in the media, and all
streams of life. In total Dr. Salla has identified over 20 species of alien life living among us and
influencing the fate of humanity. Through eyewitness testimony from whistle blowers within the system
we learn about secret space programs as well as E.T. alliances and hierarchy . What did JFK know and
witness firsthand that made him want to assert presidential authority over NASA's extra terrestrial files?

Bill Ryan

30th March 2016, 23:28

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This interview with William Tompkins (by Bob Wood and Michael Salla, recorded on 25 Feb) was released by Salla yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISwN1Xa-6X8

Note: the audio quality is dreadful. Something clearly went badly wrong. (Aside: I learned through just this kind of thing happening to always have a backup recording system in place, such as a dictaphone for each person independent of the wired microphones. This does a real disservice to Tompkins, who is most remarkable for his 92 years.)

For this reason (though Salla does not reference the problem), he published a transcript. It's very much worth following the transcript as you watch or listen to the video.

From http://exopolitics.org/exonews-tv-navy-disseminated-nazi-antigravity-secrets-to-leading-u-s-companies-think-tanks:

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WT: William Tompkins

RW: Dr. Robert Wood

MS: Dr. Michael Salla

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[For full introductory comments to interview click here (http://exopolitics.org/exonews-tv-navy-disseminated-nazi-antigravity-secrets-to-leading-u-s-companies-think-tanks/)]

MS – The following interview extract features [William] Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and I on the information he gained from the Navy operatives, the different corporations and thinks tanks he traveled to, and some of the aerospace technologies that were being secretly developed by the Nazis during the War. Tompkins begins the interview by describing the small office where the debriefings of the Navy spies took place at Naval Air Station, San Diego.

…

WT – We had this little small office. He [Rick Obatta] was commander of Naval Air Station, San Diego and so the admiral would be sitting here. I’m sitting next to him and one of my three captain bosses sitting here. A typist was sitting at the other side of the table and the Navy operative – a Lieutenant Commander or Lieutenant would sit over there. And he would lay out the information [with] some sketches, very few photographs, so it was almost all verbal, almost all. And if it was a system that we had already known about, other operatives from the information two years before, and it was an update of it, he would tie together all of the other organizations that were tied with that specific part, of say the cigar shaped vehicles, what the weapons were, what the operations were, the different companies underneath the ground, which were slave labor organizations.

RW – I want to go back to this table where you and Rick [Obatta], the Captain and the Navy spies, sitting at this table, how many times did you get exposed to incidents like that. Was it ten or was it a thousand, like a hundred? It was four years right?

WT – I’d say a thousand, maybe 1200.

RW – Well that would be like every night for four years.

WT – Yes, it was like …

RW – Was it a nightly thing, typically occur day after day?

WT – They [Navy operatives] would stay with us for maybe a week, and we tried to put together, better define his information, OK. Then we’d put that together as a package and we’d fly that out.

RW – So it would usually be one source would give his story, it might take two or three days for him to give his story, and it would be packaged up, and then you would take it away.

WT – I’d say this continued …

RW – What I’m trying to do is grasp the overall scope of those say three or four hundred deliveries you’d make, and some of the stuff had to do with Nazi history. Did some of the scope have to with, for example, age regression, Nazi age regression, as well as Nazi UFOs?

WT – Most of it was Nazi UFOs.

RW – I’m talking about what the Nazis were doing in a military mode.

WT – Yes, it went to weapons systems, all types of advanced weapons systems, all types of methods of war.

RW – Did you get exposed to the Haunebu craft designs, or anything like that during that time?

WT – I was involved in making sketches of some of the stuff that was actually there.

MS – Did you ever come across the term ‘Haunebu’ as a description for various models of German antigravity vehicles?

WT – No.

MS – What about Vril? Did you ever come across Vril as a designation, Vril 1, Vril 2 …

WT – Yes, but remember the stuff that we got … the wording was in English, some of the documents that we got were of course in German. But we didn’t get so much of the documents. It was mostly verbal, and it was saying, in his interpretation, that was another thing, because we had one of the guys to go check so and so, “I want you back over there, and I want you back here next month.” Then there’s updates to the information.

And so some of the stuff that was in German, we had another group of people convert it into English. So you are working with information that you don’t have background on, and so what you are trying to do is put enough of it together so that [for example] Lockheed could take that information, and develop it, interpret it and come up with something that could possibly be used.

When I said that many, remember that I went back to these facilities, sometimes six or seven times with updated information that we got. Because three years after they said it before, we got things now, it’s been developed. Now it’s this, this and this.

RW – So do you remember what kind of material you took to different places, JPL or CalTech as it was called then? At JPL would you take the material relevant to UFO craft or antigravity craft?

WT – Everything about propulsion, the different types of propulsion and the stuff, I had no idea what this was… Then controls, different types of controls, support systems. Almost any subject, any question you wanted to ask. Some of that information we were getting.

RW – Some of the groups didn’t get everything.

WT – No.

RW – So if there were six locations, Douglas, CalTech, MIT, is that right?

WT – Yes.

RW – And then Lockheed?

WT – Lockheed, Boeing, North American, Northrop, North American.

RW – So there were seven or eight different locations that you made deliveries to?

WT – No, it’s hundreds of different places we took the data. We took the data to every Navy Research organization. We took it to Navy Development Center, Warminster, Pennsylvania. OK. That’s a big facility. I bet I went 20 times back there with stuff. The CalTech one, I didn’t even go to Pasadena for that. I went to the Navy’s weapons system at China Lake because CalTech was working on other programs there. They would pull their scientists off, whatever that was, and throw these guys into a package, and run with the ball…

Some of them that I went to, they wouldn’t let me disseminate the information, they were not interested. They didn’t want to have a thing to do with it. And I had that with several universities who were doing military programs.

RW – Was Purdue one of them?

WT – Yes, Purdue was one…. What I’m saying is that not everyone was willing to help the Navy.

MS – What about the Air Force? Like Wright-Patterson?

WT – Yes, Wright-Patterson … A couple of the admirals didn’t want that, but we had our list of who we thought could help. The point is that these went not document after document you gave them. You gave them information that was verbal almost, very little photographs, very little drawings of a specific part of the propulsion, or a method of control … of these things.

RW – Technical things.

WT – All technical stuff. I don’t mind talking about this because frankly I lived that thing for four years. It was staggering. The German titles or stuff was a problem, so we had interpreters there that would help us put the packages together to say to take to Douglas, OK? And so there’s the misinterpretations and stuff, that I’m right. All that’s part of it. You don’t get some nice good package, and so packages were taken to places that were insufficient information. So they would get all … upset with me. I’ve got to go get this and that.

RW – Even though you were not trained technically as an engineer or a scientist, you were exposed to technical information in this process. It’s usually put in terms of common language and common sense. So you understood it?

WT – I understood some of it. Some of it I had no idea what he was talking about, and I have to tell him that, you know.

END TRANSCRIPT

Bill Ryan

5th April 2016, 14:08

Cidersomerset

5th April 2016, 15:30

Michael Salla published this yesterday, 4 April 2016, featuring William Tompkins' continuing testimony:

I like how he was describing 'compartmentalisation' in
simplistic terms which seems genuine if you are not
up with the alternate description of 'project secrecy'
in these programmes......

Cidersomerset

5th April 2016, 16:21

Science fiction and science have always been connected in the modern age from
Jules Verne and others onwards to the current time when there are many Alien
invasion scenario's and contacts some good some bad 'The Colony' being the latest
in what is becoming a long line of such shows and movies.....

It has be suggested that Gene Roddenberry may have been privy to some inside
information which he may of used in his stories and they did use writers with
knowledge of current and near future concepts of technology. Hence the term and
TV shows depicting 'The Science of Star Trek'. I have watched most science fiction
alien related TV series and not many have had Nazi related stories. It could just
be coincidence and there has always been hype about Nazi UFO connections.
But I find it interesting the Star Trek franchise has touched on it several times....

Was it all part of soft disclosure over the decades ? or just pulling a good story
from the alternate UFO field ? and possible stories from WW11 veterans ,either way
its interesting imo....

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From the original Gene Roddenberry series...

Fascinating Fascism - Captain Kirk explains fascism

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Bill Ryan

5th April 2016, 18:51

.
Michael Salla published this yesterday, 4 April 2016, featuring William Tompkins' continuing testimony:

http://exopolitics.org/us-navy-spies-learned-of-nazi-alliance-with-reptilian-extraterrestrials-during-wwii

US Navy Spies Learned of Nazi Alliance with Reptilian Extraterrestrials during WWII

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve3W35RjNGo

Here's the transcript of the section where William Tompkins answers questions on video (the audio quality is similar bad, and was clearly recorded at the same time as the previously published extract),

From http://exopolitics.org/interview-transcript-us-navy-spies-learned-of-nazi-alliance-with-reptilian-extraterrestrials (http://exopolitics.org/interview-transcript-us-navy-spies-learned-of-nazi-alliance-with-reptilian-extraterrestrials/)

What follows is the transcript of William Tompkins responding to questions on the second ExoNews TV episode (see above) presenting his testimony.

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February 25, 2016
San Diego, California

Interview Key:

WT: William Tompkins

RW: Dr. Robert Wood

MS: Dr. Michael Salla

[For introductory comments and video analysis click here (http://exopolitics.org/us-navy-spies-learned-of-nazi-alliance-with-reptilian-extraterrestrials-during-wwii)]

…

MS - In an exclusive interview with ExoNews TV conducted in San Diego on February 25, Tompkins for the first time publicly revealed the role of Reptilian extraterrestrials in Nazi projects. The following interview extract features Tompkins answering questions from Dr. Robert Wood and myself.

WT - The fact that the Germans were given this information from the Reptilians. They set up the program, they designed the program to support Germany, and they are giving Germany the UFOs.

RW - Was this an alleged fact in any of the briefings you delivered?

WT - Yes….

MS - How did the Navy spies learn about the [Reptilian] extraterrestrials helping the Nazis? Did they see Reptilians, did they read briefing documents, or did they hear chatter among the German scientists about the Reptilians, how did they learn about that?

WT - OK, the SS had many separate classified meetings, get-togethers, whatever. They formed an organization, a little bit like signing this thing over here when we first started talking [Memorandum of Understanding]… The SS then interprets this into a whole series of programs, and this then is disseminated through their specific military communication, whether it’s a major effort, or something that’s off on the side. All of this is documented and put together.

Now in addition to that, they had, if you want to call them, “consultants”, who are Reptilian consultants assisting on all of these different things that it takes to design and build these spacecraft carriers, and propulsion systems. So this is an extremely well developed program and documented like crazy. Getting copies of the documents was hard for them, hard for our spies. This was an open program in the upper level of the SS.

RW - It was compartmentalized.

WT - It was completely compartmentalized. It was well known there. People who had to do the work, had no knowledge at all of what it was for. They had to go do it, and so I guess it’s a little bit like a company that has the engineers do their effort, and then supplies are gained. You get all the supplies to build it, and then you have people build it. Only the very tip of the top have the knowledge of what this thing is even for. So that guy is working with a Reptilian. His group is working with Reptilians. They are doing, making sure that the engineering is engineered in a way to accomplish this thrust effort or this propulsion system.

MS - So the Navy spies reported back on what they had seen, or whatever documents they had retrieved, and that this was their conclusion that agreements had been reached with Reptilians, and Reptilians were acting as consultants with some of the Nazi SS compartmented programs.

WT - Even more than that. One of the packages that I got had a statement type thing. I don’t know how he got a hold of it. It was not the original agreement between the two countries, the extraterrestrials and Germany, but it alluded to this. You don’t have many of those around. There was this tremendous program to, which the operatives got into, where there were university type facilities where hundreds of thousands, of even Russian girls, were brought into these facilities. Certain groups of the troops would get them pregnant, and this program was then to come out with massive numbers, the reason I’m saying this is because it takes a long time to have a baby, and so you are not planning to win the war next week, but that part of their program was set up and structured to parallel a Reptilian battle group program to go to other star systems’ planets, and do the same thing that Germany was going to do to Europe, and to this planet.

Which is, in other words, it wasn’t just taking over the United States and killing some Jewish people …

RW - They were going to do it again throughout the galaxy?

WT - Holy cats the thing went way beyond that [world conquest]. Again, what we just said about this was the tip of the iceberg of what they were doing. Already Reptilians were doing it to other stars’ planets all over this area of the Galaxy…. These young kids, the operatives, they couldn’t believe half of what they brought back, what was going on. But some of them were really good people, and they knew how to get into places and listen to what’s going on, and finding what that guy he had talked to, or he heard, and going to so and so, because yes they were doing that over there. It goes to two countries away from an occupied country with a facility, a massive thing going,

And another part of it, they were even building boiler plate steel UFOs, 200 foot, 250 foot boiler plate steel, which is insane. But that group took the information that was given to them, and they didn’t even figure out it should not be steel, but the propulsion unit floated it up, just like it was a feather, and they were on a learning curve that you could do these things all over using standard mathematical, or standard technical terms of the way you would normally do it.

Thousands of engineering groups were working different aspects to all of this. Some of them had the vehicles, others they gave them a vehicle to reverse engineer, so they could become familiar with everything from the inside out. And so different people, different organizations could handle these different matters. It was a massive program. The mission was to take over the planet, kill off all of the ones that were a problem, and the rest of them make slaves out of them. Everybody on your planet, then second phase was to leave the planet with large squadrons of UFOs, after you’ve got them all built, and do the same thing to other stars’ planets. That’s the German will [plan?]… http://exopolitics.org/interview-transcript-us-navy-spies-learned-of-nazi-alliance-with-reptilian-extraterrestrials/

END TRANSCRIPT

onawah

5th April 2016, 20:58

That report coincides with what Alex Collier has been saying that the Andromedans told him.
They said that a group of very advanced beings which he called the Paa'Taal time traveled back to this time on Earth in order to stop the Reptilian agenda which was intended to take over the galaxy, or at least, part of it.
He's never been able to offer any corroboration of that, of course, but it's interesting that this whistleblower info does corroborate part of it, at least.
It would sure be nice if we had some corroboration of the Paa'Taal's presence here!

Cidersomerset

6th April 2016, 12:46

I just came across this and its similar scy -fy/science/soft disclosure concept to
what I was trying to explain in the Star Trek post above

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Trailer ~ Chris Turner's DON'T MENTION THE REPTILIANS featuring Bill Ryan

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Published on 30 Jul 2014

The Faces of Avalon presents this small clip from Chris Turner's upcoming documentary
"Don't Mention the Reptilians" (I assume this is his working title).

Chris is a Project Avalon forum member by the name Elephantintheroomfilms, his production company.

Bill Ryan speaks a bit on how the mass media has co-opted the themes such as star gates
to make what is real appear fiction and vice-versa.

KiwiElf

6th April 2016, 16:32

A bit off topic, but I came across a trilogy of comics a couple of days ago titled, "MINISTRY OF SPACE," which can be down loaded from various sites if you want a look (the history & info is on Google & Wikipedia). It began in around 2001 and took another three years to complete the next two issues.

Inspired by the British Dan Dare,stories, the story line creates an "alternate history" where the British do their own Operation Paperclip after WWII instead of the USA, and are the first to land on and colonise the Moon and Mars, using funds collected in a monstrous "Black Ops" project, forcing the German Scientists to develop highly advanced spacecraft for the British...

It borrows some very intriguing ideas from the Nazi UFO history which we're now seeing surface (and bound to make a great movie!)

:focus:.

Cidersomerset

6th April 2016, 21:03

I just watched this vid and posted it on another....

INCREDIBLE STARCHILD DNA RESULTS *HD* ORIGINAL

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Preliminary new DNA results from the 900 year old Starchild Skull, providing
information that a percentage of the DNA in the bone may not be from Earth.

Did You See Them

7th April 2016, 11:17

What happened to page 2 of this thread ?

KiwiElf

7th April 2016, 11:22

What happened to page 2 of this thread ?

It's still there, click the left or "back" arrow

Edit from Bill: Yes, you're misunderstanding how the page index works. Not every page is listed. If you're on p.3, then just click the back arrow to get to the previous page.

http://projectavalon.net/page_2.gif

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norman

7th April 2016, 23:28

I've just ordered the book, really looking forward to reading it.

I haven't read a book for at least 6 years, kind of hate long texts, even long posts. This will likely turn into a reading marathon where I can't put it down until I've reached the last page.

That's usually how I read, and is probably why I've got such a problem about books. Very life disturbing stuff, the way I do it.

here's where the last of 3 is still available on UK ebay:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331759607090?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I think the one big thing that rings my bell and gets me hooked into this story is related to that saying:

"To know who rules you, notice who you are not allowed to critisize"

In this case, for me, it's more like " where in the world are we not allowed to go ? "

A: Antarctica !

norman

10th April 2016, 14:41

I've had another thought about Antarctica.

Why would an advanced race choose a place like Antarctica to occupy it's underground chambers, when there are such places all over the world?

I was listening, last night to a man who sells magnetic pads to place under a mattress, for healing. The main point is that it uses a south pole orientation. Experiments with small animals showed conclusively that it had a huge effect. Insects lived 70% longer, mice moved to positions above the south pole of the magnetism, human tissue cells took longer to break down...............

So, does the race that lives under the south pole do it because it's good for their health?

AND !..... are they worried by the possibility of a pole reversal?

Helvetic

18th April 2016, 09:11

Rense Interviews collected for easy download.

William Mills Tompkins

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t256/Helvetic/IM_Blog/Tompkins_zpscp6eewzn.jpg

Short Bio:
Bill Tompkins was embedded in the world of secrecy as a teenager, when the Navy took his personal ship models out of a Hollywood department store because they showed the classified locations of the radars and gun emplacements. He was personally present at the “Battle of L.A.” when a thousand rounds of ammo were fired at UFOs, and one of the Nordic craft may have selected him to be their rep in the evolving aerospace race.

This book is a partial autobiography about his life to the beginning of the 1970s including some of his early work for TRW. Selected by the Navy prior to completing high school to be authorized for research work, he regularly visited classified Naval facilities during WWII until he was discharged in 1946. After working at North American Aviation and Northrop, he was hired by Douglas Aircraft Company in 1950, and when they found out about his involvement in classified work, was given a job as a to create design solutions as a draftsman with a peripheral assignment to work in a “think tank”.

This work was partly controlled by the Navy personnel who used to work for James Forrestal, who was allegedly assassinated because he was going to publicly reveal what he knew about UFOs. Bill Tompkins was asked to conceive sketches of mile-long Naval interplanetary craft designs. Later, as he became involved in the conventional aspects of the Saturn Program that later became the Apollo launch vehicle, his insight to system engineering resulted in his offering some critical suggestions personally to Dr. Wernher von Braun about ensuring more reliable checkout using the missiles in their vertical position and also some very efficient launch control concepts adopted by both NASA and the Air Force.

This story is peppered with very personal interactions with his co-workers and secretaries, some of whom the author believes to be Nordic aliens helping the “good guys” here on Earth. Towards the end of this volume of his autobiography, he sketches what he personally saw on TV when Armstrong was landing on the moon. Born in May 1923, Bill Tompkins is one of the few survivors of the “big war” who is still healthy, married to the same girl Mary, and is willing to tell his story about what he really did during his aerospace life in the 40s, 50s and 60s that relate to aliens, NASA and secrets that now can be told.

Interviews on Rense.com (http://rense.com)

William Tompkins - Pt 1 - ETs, UFOs & The US Navy
With Dr. Bob Wood, Maj George Filer & Frank Chille

Hour 1 - 12.14.15 download mp3 (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_121415_hr1.mp3)
Hour 2 - 12.14.15 download mp3 (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_121415_hr2.mp3)

William Tompkins - Pt 2 - ETs, UFOs & The US Navy
With Dr. Bob Wood, Maj George Filer & Frank Chille

Hour 1 - 12.23.15 download mp3 (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_122315_hr1.mp3)
Hour 2 - 12.23.15 download mp3 (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_122315_hr2.mp3)

William Tompkins - Pt 3 - ETs, UFOs & The US Navy
Maj George Filer & Frank Chille

Hour 1 - 1.6.16 download mp3 (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_010616_hr2.mp3)
Hour 2 - 1.6.16 download mp3 (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_010616_hr3.mp3)

William Tompkins with Maj George Filer & Frank Chille
Our Technology Decades Ahead Of What's Known

Hour 1 - 3.23.16 download mp3 (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_032316_hr1.mp3)
Hour 2 - 3.23.16 download mp3 (http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/special/rense_032316_hr2.mp3)

Book @ Amazon:
William Mills Tompkins | Selected by Extraterrestrials: My life in the top secret world of UFOs., think-tanks and Nordic secretaries (http://www.amazon.com/Selected-Extraterrestrials-secret-think-tanks-secretaries/dp/1515217469/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1460969033&sr=1-1)

Bill Ryan

18th April 2016, 09:21

Rense Interviews collected for easy download.

Excellent! :clapping: Really helpful to many.

Cidersomerset

18th April 2016, 11:36

Rense Interviews collected for easy download.

The first hour has been posted on # 2 of this thread
but the two is new.....

Nordic ETs and Hitler’s UFO program

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Published on 19 Jan 2016

Aerospace Engineer Veteran Blows The Whistle On UFOs. William Mills Tompkins
was assigned by the Navy to Intelligence because of his remarkable memory skills,
Bill was exposed immediately to the Navy’s knowledge of Hitler’s UFO program.
After the war he began working in a Think Tank at Douglas Aircraft Company for
aerospace executive Elmer Wheaton and with Naval Intelligence to offer creative
suggestions and designs for huge Naval spacecraft carriers. The authenticity of part
of the story is corroborated by Editor Wood, who was employed at the same facility
at the same time and knew some of the same company leaders. The cute Nordic
secretaries Bill was given may have used their psychic powers to keep NASA on the
right track for an effective Apollo program, and to begin the covert Naval
exploration of the galaxy.

DNA

18th April 2016, 12:06

I have a question.

Does anyone have any idea of the temperament and or modus operandi of these beings now living under Antarctica who used to be Nazi's?
For all of this talk about them and their being the forerunners of space flight, there is NOTHING ever stated about their agendas and or philosophies.
I'm not saying they do not exist, but if they were really pissed about losing WWII, couldn't they have say, lassoed an asteroid and ended the USA as we know it before we ever even got a satellite into orbit?

If they exist, and they remained the same NAZI's of WWII wouldn't they have retaliated a bit more than they did when Admiral Byrd attacked them?

They didn't.

I even have to wonder some times if the Plejarans/Plieadians whatever or whoever visited Billy Meier weren't in fact these same Germans on the southern continent.

Are these people secretly in control of the world? Are they running the secret space fleet of America? Are they at odds with the various secret space programs of differing countries? Or are they just not the same folks? Are they keeping to themselves and practicing a live and let live philosophy?

People keep calling them Nazi's, but I have to say they can't be Nazi's, or we would be dead as fried chicken by now.

Or, they just don't exist. Because I'm not seeing or hearing anything about them in so far as what they are up to. Just some old claims that they existed at one time, but nothing new stating what they really are up to.

I personally do not believe they are Nazi's anymore. If they exist.
And if they do exist, they would be so powerful as to be every member of the Illuminati that would really count. :sherlock:

Helvetic

18th April 2016, 14:14

Things have may changed in Antarctica since WWII. There are no Nazis or Reptilians down there. But there is a Nordic base covered with hundreds of feet of ice. The ice is used as "protective layer". The nordics are our ancestors. The Nordics are our "quiet neighbour". They have colonized the Pleiades, Hyades and Ceres (outpost colony).

And this is important:
The proof why the Nordics are from here is because they are breathing the same oxygen (Atmosphere, Pressure, Oxygen composition, Viruses). Ask a scientist how unlikely is the chance that an alien comes to this planet and breath the same air. Our atmosphere is for others highly toxic.

The Nordics can breathe our atmosphere and this has to do because they evolved on this planet Earth.

So if other beings are here on earth and walk among us and they do not wear a breathing-mask or a pressure suit, they are from another time but evolved here on earth.

observer

19th April 2016, 01:57

The revelations being expressed by William Tompkins regarding extra terrestrial reptilian influence early-on in the rise of the Nazi Party have dynamic ramifications regarding all contemporary events.

Since I Joined the old Avalon Forum, the predecessor to this current forum edition, I've been pointing to the possibility that the Mass of Humanity has been controlled by a reptilian species - dating back to the Dawn of Civilization. Any thorough review of the historic record will lead one to that conclusion.

Mr. Tompkins has given us details of how this reptilian influence has affected the rise of Nazi technology.
Dr. Joseph Farrell, Peter Levenda, and Jim Marrs (among others) have shown us how the Nazis never lost the Second World War, rather the German people lost.
Dr. Farrell also has shown us how the CERN experiment was created by those same Nazis.

It should all be obvious to anyone paying attention, the Reptoids are now (and have always been) in control....

Cross-Posting a comment in another thread, for further edification:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?77253-Should-Humanity-Be-Con-CERN-ed&p=1061913&viewfull=1#post1061913

giovonni

11th May 2016, 05:17

will share this lastest snippet here ...

Jeff Rense & William Tompkins - The ET & Nazi Secret Space Program

Clip from May 04, 2016 / Published on May 10, 2016

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHVP_dNM5o4&feature=em-uploademail

giovonni

31st May 2016, 15:13

Bill Ryan

1st June 2016, 13:21

More from Earthfiles ...

https://www.earthfiles.com/images/news/R/ReptilianAldebaranRedGiantNightSky.jpg

WWII Was An E.T. Battle Fought Through Humans,
According to Retired U. S. Navy Engineer ...

Read & Listen Here (https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2430&category=Science)

:bump:

Bumping this (gio's post was copied from the Antarctica thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90526-Alleged-E.T.-and-Human-Collaboration-Base-in-Antarctica&p=1071817&viewfull=1#post1071817)).

Linda's post was actually in two parts. The second part, a continuation, is here:

http://earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2431

I think this may be very important. Aside from being extreme, there's no reason I know of to reject any of this. It's the biggest picture explanation imaginable.

Linda's two reports are here:

http://projectavalon.net/Linda_Howe_Earthfiles_report_Bill_Tompkins_May_2016_Part_1.pdf
http://projectavalon.net/Linda_Howe_Earthfiles_report_Bill_Tompkins_May_2016_Part_2.pdf

And the two 10 minute interviews (one conversation, in fact, in two parts, but continuous) are here:

http://projectavalon.net/Linda_Howe_with_Bill_Tompkins_26_May_2016_Part_1.mp3
http://projectavalon.net/Linda_Howe_with_Bill_Tompkins_26_May_2016_Part_2.mp3

I'd very highly recommend this. Needs a cold towel on one's head to absorb it all. :) I don't know any good reason to reject any of it, apart from that it's a lot to take in. I don't know anything that contradicts any of it.

Cidersomerset

3rd September 2016, 13:58

just noticed this has been posted on page 3 , I posted it blind as I just put
it on another thread and thought it was new.

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Jeff seems to have done a lot of interviews with William Tomkins but vids/links
are not straight forward ? Though they seem to know where they are ..LOL

The Amazing Story Continues (Part1) with Transcript....

Rense Radio Interview with William Tompkins with Maj. George Filer & Frank Chille – May 4, 2016
10 May 2016 : 13:20

(start at 00:58)

Jeff Rense: Okay. This two hours is going to be just fascinating. We get to spend it
with . . . this two-hour session, with William Tompkins. And, of course, with Bill will
be (Maj.) George Filer and Frank Chille. Bill?

William Tompkins: Yeah, I'm here.

http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/the-amazing-story-continues-part1.html

Cidersomerset

3rd September 2016, 14:29

Jeff Rense & William Tompkins - Look Up And Be Amazed!

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Published on 30 Aug 2016

Please visit http://www.rense.com/ for updates and information you will never see on Fox News!

Clip from August 29, 2016 - guest William Tompkins on the Jeff Rense Program.
Full program available in Archives at http://www.renseradio.com/signup.htm

Bill Ryan

6th September 2016, 22:15

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I've been reading Bill Tompkins' book, Selected by Extraterrestrials (https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Extraterrestrials-secret-think-tanks-secretaries/dp/1515217469). 100 pages in, and I'm finding it hard going.

Bob Wood (http://exopoliticsinstitute.org/earthtransformation/topic-Wood.htm), who knows a thing or two, wrote in his Preface:

Bill's life story skirts the edge of believability.
I'd go beyond that, and say that it crashes right over the edge. Some of it is near-impossible to believe -- even for those with a wide-open mind about the history, and reality, of the Secret Space Program.

Tompkins (in my opinion) does himself no favors because the book reads like a series of unconnected vignettes, almost randomly assembled. In some cases, although faux-conversationally styled -- in an misguided (again in my opinion) attempt to make things readable -- it's really extremely hard to follow. The poorly-crafted attempts to introduce humor and banter into an utterly serious subject make it all feel a little farcical, and disconnect it further from reality.

I get the impression (but do not know this as a fact) that Tompkins wrote these many separate sections as individual essays over maybe many years (some of them only a few paragraphs long)... and then Bob Wood, as the editor, did the best job he could to stitch them all together into a kind of unsatisfactory mosaic.

Has anyone else read this...?

Citizen No2

6th September 2016, 23:07

Curious.

This always interested me. William Tompkins sketches:

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Stills from John Lenard Walson:

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Looks to me, to be more or less the same sort of craft.

EDIT: There are a lot of questions unanswered about John Lenard Walson......... There seems to be a consensus online that John has faked the footage he claimed was taken with his MEADE telescope, where these stills above came from. As always, it is up to the reader to perform due diligence before believing any claims made either way.

Regards.

Cidersomerset

6th September 2016, 23:38

Just found this , the sound quality is very good and English with Spanish sub
titles.....It does sound Sci -fi but since sci - fy , science and reality has got so
intertwined over the last century , how would we recognise the difference ? Tom
is even talking about a battlion of German clones fighting on the Russian front
which I find hard to believe . But how would we know? If ET's have been cloning for
whenever ? they could have given NAZI scientists the information , hidden in all the
medical experiments that were going on and war always excelerate's inventions
and innovation...after first ten min segment then David starts talking to Corey Good.

I know Corey is another controversial person , but you can still listen to Tom...

I did mention this the other day that it explains Hitler and other NAZI obsession
with blue eyes , blond haired arien super beings....

TOMPKINS, MARIA OSRIC, ALEMANES EN EL ESPACIO.

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Published on 5 Aug 2016 ( I copied for Spanish readers )

William Tompkins, con David Wilcock y Corey Goode, una entrevista donde mientras
Tompkins, habla de sus experiencias, en el comienzo de lo que es la solar warden, y el
programa espacial secreto de la marina, tambien nos habla de lo que descubrieron
algunos espias de EEUU, en la Alemania Nazi,como fue que llegaron a tener esa tecnologia
muy temprano, habla de Maria Osric,y las sociedades secretas Alemanas,como se conquisto
el espacio, que razas extraterrestres ayudaron a los alemanes? Y con que proposito. eso y
mucho mas encontrara respuesta en esta entrevista de casi 40 min.

Cidersomerset

7th September 2016, 00:13

I'd go beyond that, and say that it crashes right over the edge. Some of it
is near-impossible to believe -- even for those with a wide-open mind about the
history, and reality, of the Secret Space Program.

I agree , I recognise a lots of this from articles and docs and movies over the
years and its hard to find any coherent vids in the right order its all over
the place and now I'm posting English good sound quality vids from Spanish
U'tube...lol

LA AGENDA DE LOS NORDICOS Y EL VERDADERO PROGRAMA APOLO

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Published on 14 Aug 2016

En esta entrevista William Tompkins nos hablara de la agenda de los NORDICOS,
su agenda, y su guerra con los DRACO. Entraremos en mas detalles sobre el
verdadero programa apollo, cual era lo proyectado, se cumplio o no, quien estaba
en la luna, como cuando llegaron a la luna alguien ya estaba alla, y nos corrio,
quienes eran? Aqui encontraras muchas respuestas a todo eso. http://www.gaia.com/

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This is the second part with extra ordinary claims ....Again if you are familiar with
this topic you will recognise it from many sources ....D.U.M.B.'s , Phil Schneider
john Lears info and more.

ABDUCCIONES Y CIVILIZACIONES DE LA TIERRA INTERNA

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Published on 14 Aug 2016

En este ultimo video, William Tompkins habla sobre las ABDUCIONES Y LAS
CIVILIZACIONES DEL INTERIOR DE LA TIERRA, explica que es lo que realmente
esta pasando con MILLONES DE SERES HUMANOS DESAPARECIDOS, y de cuantas
civilizaciones existen viviendo en el interior de la tierra, cuales son sus agendas y
CUANTAS HUMANIDADES existieron? http://www.gaia.com/

Cidersomerset

7th September 2016, 00:51

EN EL OTRO LADO DEL VELO DEL SECRETISMO - (DR.BOB WOOD)

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Published on 1 Sep 2016

http://www.gaia.com/ En esta entrevista el doctor y fisico Bob Wood, comparte
sus investigaciones y sus experiencias, en diferente companias del complejo
industrial militar, tambien habla,sobre documentos confidenciales, como los MJ12
Yy la recuperacion de EBES y OVNIS, y como companias hicieron ingenieria inversa
en naves ET. Una charla muy amena, entre David Wilcock, Corey Goode y El Dr Bob
Wood, es importante oir hablar, a un fisico sobre los ovnis y extraterrestres. http://www.gaia.com/

Isserley

7th September 2016, 05:52

I did mention this the other day that it explains Hitler and other NAZI obsession
with blue eyes , blond haired arien super beings....

TOMPKINS, MARIA OSRIC, ALEMANES EN EL ESPACIO.

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The member of Vril Society was Maria Oršić one of the female mediums.. not Osric. Typo..

Cidersomerset

7th September 2016, 08:02

'Coincidence theory' which I have been talking about on my current Rudi Giuliani
thread.Synchronicity or non -physical brings info into my reality whatever is going
on.David has explained it for years as awareness. I'm sure you have mentioned
something similar Bill. I listened to the Tomkins vids above off the back of
your two interviews below , and I am talking about it in that post, and both
David and particularly Jordan are talking about the Reptilian physical presence
in this reality. Then people like Richard Sauder , Anthony Sanchez , Kerry
David Wilcock and other go into these topics.

I find dot connecting everywhere from all the wars & chaos that feed these
entities and also makes it easy to abduct slave labour or induct new recruits
depending on which group of ET's are involved. Which ties into the WW111
and other current threads and reading the various headline pages each day.

Another current thread I posted several vids on is the 'Senator Mike
Gravel: "There's an ET presence monitoring our planet'
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?93112-Senator-Mike-Gravel-There-s-an-ET-presence-monitoring-our-planet.

Then there have been many more, but by coincidence these are all current as
I listened to the recent Bill Tomkins vids above which also could of come out
of the science fiction field. Part of me wants to call it BS or some sort of 'psyop'
another person parachuted in to muddy the already cloudy waters of ufology.

But there is something about these Wilcocks vids watching them , the coincidence
that brought them into my reality ( Spanish versions as well )yesterday that feels
strange ? and maybe we should not dismiss out of hand, however much they seem
to ' good ' to be true pardon the pun. I know it could all just be coincidence
repeating my self . But...UHM ! ??????

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Most of us have had different careers and experiences . David is a classic
example. Jordan seems genuine to me and he admits extraordinary experiences.
All he is doing especially in the twilight of his journey is pass on his knowledge.

Now is what he says valid ? much makes sense to me, he comes over pessimistic
when relating his information because some of it is very dark . Also he has
been hassled and abused over the years. There are 'debunking' vids out there
as with most researchers especially when discussing controversial topics.

I cannot defend all his interpretations and definitions but at least he has
brought the topic to the publics attention. From there it is up to the
individual what he or she makes of it......

In this very good conversation Jordan the man is engaging, not the academic
persona that most interviewers expect Jordan to perform,(which he seems happy
to do) David is very up beat and Bill is letting it flow together........

Around the 40 min mark Jordan tells the story of how he was warned to leave
a couple of situations , David thinks its intuition , a quite inner voice guiding us,
they say it better in the vid. But something I have come to understand is my
non- physical (our greater selves) and we all have it and we are connected at
a higher level which explains a lot higher functions , telepathy , third eye etc.
Synchronicity seems to be happening every where in my reality , whether it is
coincidence with all the research I'm doing or my non -physical bringing it to
my attention. As David said years ago after his awakening most of the information
he uses in his books just seems to come to him in the right order. Even though
he is doing research daily. What ever is happening I certainly feel more spiritual
than I have in the past, and we are certainly living in interesting times ...LOL

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BROTHERS IN ARMS :
David Icke and Jordan Maxwell in conversation about the agenda to control Planet
Earth, meeting again for the first time in 15 years. Wonderful stuff.

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This is Jordan's individual interview with Bill from the same trip , which is mentioned
in the vid above and I am about to watch again....I presume everyone on Avalon
has watched these vids at some time ? I have watched them a few times and they
are still interesting , they are Jordan opening up to Bill about some aspects of his
life and why he is here at this time including being a pleiadian emissary . Now you
can call it BS or not but it does give you a better insight into the motives of the man
and the path he has been on all these years. I have no reason to disbelieve him ,
but have no proof it is true other than his words. So its up to the individual what
they make of it. Disagree but do not be rude to an elderly gent , unless you have
good reasons......

Jordan Maxwell - Close Encounters and other stories : A Project Avalon Interview with Bill Ryan

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Uploaded on 24 May 2010

I recently had the great privilege of talking with Jordan Maxwell, fresh after our May 2010 visit
to the Vatican, about some of his personal stories and experiences - some of which are astonishing
by any standards. One or two he had told in his September 2009 Interview with Project Camelot,
but the majority are new. He has shared these with the public before.

There's nothing here about the workings of the Illuminati or the New World Order. Instead you'll
be watching Jordan presenting a series of extraordinary and fascinating personal experiences -
any one of which would be significant to most people watching this video - but Jordan has MANY.
Kick back and enjoy the presentation. Much of this is new material. NOT to be missed.

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Jordan ref this vid in his separate vid above about his joint UFO experience though
they do not discuss the ET visit the same night.

Jordan Maxwell's UFO Experience - Alien 51 by Anthony J Hilder

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This was taken from Alien 51 a film by Anthony Hilder with some footage from the
Lil Aleinn just outside area 51.....

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I'm just looking on Davids headline page and this screams out Reptilian Or it
is just another coincidence and part of the evil human epoch we have been in for
thousands of years.....Perfect conditions for essence feeding inter dimensional's
feeding off fear driven adrenalin, or slave labour abduction groups.....

50 million children uprooted worldwide: UNICEF

By David on 7 September 2016 GMT War and Terror

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‘The United Nations Children’s Fund says some 50 million children have
been “uprooted” across the globe, calling on world nations to show “compassion”
for such minors.

In a report titled “Uprooted: The Growing Crisis for Refugee and Migrant Children,”
UNICEF said almost 50 million children have migrated across borders or been
forcibly displaced within their own countries.

The report said the number of child refugees jumped by about 75 percent between
2010 and 2015.’

Read more: 50 million children uprooted worldwide: UNICEF

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/09/07/483531/UNICEF-uprooted-children-Anthony-Lake

Cidersomerset

7th September 2016, 14:22

Another random vid it seems both Jeff and David are serialising there interviews
and they are pot luck to find......William seems to imply that the Dracos are
spraying us , Jeff put up a chemtrail pics , but William does not say that's the
method. Jeff shares a strange experience he had at school as a 12 year old.
They explore the story of Joe Papp engine devise.

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Jeff Rense & William Tompkins - Did an ET Visit Jeff? & The Story of Joe Papp

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Published on 5 Sep 2016
Please visit http://www.rense.com/ for updates and information you will never see on Fox News!

Clip from August 29, 2016 - guest William Tompkins on the Jeff Rense Program. Full program available in Archives at

Longjohn

10th September 2016, 13:34

Dear All,

I finished reading Tompkins' book a few weeks ago, and have to admit that a certain disillusionment took over as I got towards the end. This feeling was not so much because of the events described (once you accept the premise that the Nazis were aided by Reptilians you are already in a whole new world anyway!), but because of the appalling editing. From the point of view of a purchaser, I had paid good money for this volume, and expected a more finished product. The book had two editors (Robert Wood and Nick Redfern) who certainly had an understanding of the material but who seem to have exercised little editorial judgement. It would be interesting to hear what they have to say about their task. I was tempted to think that they were under orders to maintain a high degree of implausibility so that the book would not impinge too much on the public consciousness. But then, so many books in this field are badly edited…

Tompkins himself: I had an immediate empathy with Tompkins because of his engineering background. I have met and worked with people who have very similar characters. When you work for big corporations, you get swept away by the company’s ethos, its dedication to its cause, and the need to develop new solutions and products for its customers. You live in a closed world that you cannot easily describe to outsiders. Within that world, as in the business I work in, there will be small groups (‘think tanks’) whose job it Is to provide a vision of the future 10 or 20 years hence.

Tompkins fits that bill perfectly: he comes across as being a highly dyslexic, enthusiastic, driven individual, possibly someway along the autistic spectrum. He obviously believes in himself, his abilities and his mission, and will break the rules to get results, as witness the way he goes straight to the top of NASA (Drs. Kurt Debus and Wernher von Braun, no less) to get his proposals for the Apollo Systems Management program accepted. He is then fired by Douglas for his pains, and moves into TRW Inc.

TRW, by the way, is one the corporations known for its Black project involvement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRW_Inc.

http://www.openminds.tv/alleged-retired-navy-petty-officer-claims-to-have-seen-top-secret-ufo-files/36469

[B]The Nordic Aliens: If a group of benign (?) aliens wanted to get the human race to move forward in a direction that suited them, it sounds as if Tompkins was the right man to support their cause, without drawing too much attention to his alien mentors. Perhaps this was Tompkins' mission in this life...

The biggest problem from our conservative social viewpoint is perhaps with the modus operandi of his Nordic controllers: beautiful, sexy women who will just as gladly jump into bed with their protégés as they are to provide vital information on how man should leave his little planet!

I thought hard about this last issue, and it seems that the Nordics had exactly the right strategy: male Nordics would have been intimidating to the humans in an office environment, but by getting the more sensitive Nordic females into lower-ranking secretarial positions, they would be perfectly placed to influence the predominantly male engineers, who would naturally take all the credit (particularly in the 1950s and ‘60s)!

If the overwhelming sexuality of the aliens is a shock to us, then we should remember that we live in a society where so many of our social mores are tied up with religion. An advanced space-faring civilisation that has survived hundreds of thousands of years would most probably have bypassed this stage.

What is really interesting as Tompkins’ story unfolds is the way the Nordics seemed to have infiltrated the whole space program. They seemed to move smoothly from one job placement to the next and I was left with a strong feeling that this was with the full cognisance of those (few?) humans pulling the strings behind the scenes.

The Reptilians: You get fleeting, but telling glimpses of (predominantly male?) shape-shifting reptilians, who seem to be monitoring things and occasionally interfering. Perhaps this lends support to what Tompkins said in his later interviews about WWII effectively being a confrontation between the Nordics and Reptilians.

However, if the male Reptilians can appear human, might it possibly have been the case that the female Nordics were also Reptilians in disguise?

Other Evidence: If you need corroborative information on Tompkins’ background, you need look no further than his colleague Dr. Wolfgang Klemperer, who was one of the pioneers of German aviation in the early 20th century. A search of papers shows that he was involved with gravity research:

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1962AJ.....67..162K

http://www.americanantigravity.com/files/articles/High-Frequency-Gravitational-Waves.pdf

The latter link contains an interesting reference to Klemperer. The author of this article (Robert Baker) says, ‘My interest in HFGW (High Frequency Gravitational Waves) research basically began in the 1950’s when Dr. W. B. Klemperer (a well-known Aerospace scientist working at Douglas Aircraft Company) and I became interested in gravitational-gradient fields. In 1957 we published a paper on the subject (“Satellite Librations,” Astronautica ACTA, Fasc. 1, 16-27) and it was this paper that attracted the attention of Dr. Robert Forward and started me off on my involvement with HFGW research.’

You can also investigate other colleagues, such as Tompkins’ Douglas Aircraft Corp. boss, Elmer Wheaton:

https://www.nap.edu/read/10403/chapter/45#242

In conclusion, my view is that Tompkins has something really important to say.

Best regards,

John

Cidersomerset

10th September 2016, 15:35

In conclusion, my view is that Tompkins has something important to say.
Best regards,
John

Thanks for your over review Long John seems pretty spot on as far as I can tell,
the vids I posted above are a bit random as David Wilcocks and Jeff Rense seem
to be serialising there interviews.

Longjohn

11th September 2016, 09:23

My compliments to you, dear Cider, for the trouble you take to present us with information. You have a talent for this!

I hope the references I provided are not too indigestible.

I do agree it's difficult to get all the Tompkins interviews together in one place. In a roundabout way, I came across this on the Sphere Being Alliance website:

http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/tag/tompkins.html

This lists 10 Tompkins-related interviews. Most, if not all of them have transcripts.

You go to Correy Goode's interviews, select any of the ones related to Tompkins and then click on the 'Tompkins' tag just under the title. There are also more on the Rense website.

An interesting interview that I've just noticed answers some of my questions on the editor of Tompkins' book, Bob Wood:

http://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-on-the-other-side-of-the-veil-of-secrecy.html

By the way, I'm completely on the fence when it comes to Corey Goode. Some of his info is extremely interesting, but his modus operandi is a cause for concern, to say the least.

Best regards,

John

Cidersomerset

11th September 2016, 14:22

By the way, I'm completely on the fence when it comes to Corey Goode.
Some of his info is extremely interesting, but his modus operandi is a cause for
concern, to say the least.
Best regards,
John

Thanks for links John , I know Corey sparked off controversy as do various
people in the alternate community from time to time. When he was active
on the forum he seemed pleasant researching his own questions. I did
not get involved in the big thread that culminated in his demise I think.
But am wary of where his memories come from ? As you know the further
down the rabbit hole the wilder the claims in all sorts of alternate topics.

The various theories on where the real space programme is today and
the contamination with science fiction which is linked imo , as one drives
the other in many respects ie many scientists watch the likes of Star Trek
and inturn , many scientific terms and concepts are incorporated in the
many books, TV , comic strip and movies. Obviously a lot is far fetched
but the the human imagination is the driving force of creation and scientific
research in many respects.

Another option is we have been helped by various ET groups and the
ones depicted by William Tomkins is well known from other sources.
Yet there seems something to his personal story, and regarding Corey
we should not throw away the baby with the bath water just yet I
don't think.......

Cheers Steve...

Cidersomerset

12th September 2016, 16:21

I hope this does not count as talking to myself....LOL as I just saw this article
on the BBC science page no less.....

The various theories on where the real space programme is today and
the contamination with science fiction which is linked imo , as one drives
the other in many respects ie many scientists watch the likes of Star Trek
and inturn , many scientific terms and concepts are incorporated in the
many books, TV , comic strip and movies. Obviously a lot is far fetched
but the the human imagination is the driving force of creation and scientific
research in many respects.

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How Star Trek inspired 'two generations' of scientists

9 September 2016 Last updated at 13:09 BST

Short clip on link....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37320440

Star Trek has had an “inspirational relationship” with the space programme,
says Robert Picardo, who played the medical hologram in Star Trek Voyager.
The hit Sci-Fi show is currently celebrating 50 years since its initial broadcast
to US TV audiences.Speaking to BBC Radio 5 live, Mr Picardo said there have
now been “two generations” of people who have “been inspired” to go into
technology fields because of Star Trek.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-37320440

Cidersomerset

13th September 2016, 11:39

I might do a separate thread on this.......

Pentagon now running UK military’s UFO-hunting unit – reports

By David on 13 September 2016 GMT UFO Activity

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Pentagon now running UK military’s UFO-hunting unit – reports
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Edited time: 12 Sep, 2016 13:19

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‘American military intelligence is now running the UK’s axed UFO-hunting
squad from a plush building in a hidden corner of London’s stylish Soho
Square, it is reported.

The secretive Ministry of Defence (MoD) unit was axed in 2009 but is now
reportedly being run by a shadowy US colonel within a stone’s throw of the
offices of 20th Century Fox – producers of many a science fiction blockbuster.

Now US-funded, the group has mainly American staff but still employs a number
of Britons to pore over the real-life X-Files.’

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Read more: Pentagon now running UK military’s UFO-hunting unit – reports

https://www.rt.com/uk/359057-pentagon-ufo-hunters-soho/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

ClandestineDisclosure

19th September 2016, 01:12

Bill,

I know both Dr. Robert (Bob) Wood and William (Bill) Tompkins...have had the opportunity to meet with both of them - twice with Bill and once with Bob. Bob is in an unenviable position, editing what amounts to Bill's autobiography. You're right, Bill had been working on his book for many years...had sought help from others to help; and, they didn't work out. Sure, it also sounds like vignettes stitched together. I too had struggled through Bill's book and mentioned it to both of them. Bob had expressed that this was Bill's autobiography....it was difficult to step in and re-write Bill's story; so, he applied a light editing hand. Sure, as an editor, Bob may have fallen down here and there; but, you need to understand something about the relationship between an author and an editor. The author has the final word on what gets printed.

The two are doing what they can to fix it. In fact, on the day I had visited Bob, he had just received the revised proof from the publisher, where a multitude of spelling errors and other corrections were made. This was just a few weeks ago; so, in time, subsequent versions of the book may read a little easier. Having edited three books myself...and worked with writers...I can share the frustrations authors have with their publishers. They say you have to watch them like a hawk. They don't always do as you ask. Often times, they screw-up things like page numbers, graphics, and lay out. This does not fix writing style - no sir. As I've said, the author has the final word; so, that's on Bill. Ultimately, it is the author's responsibility to affect final edits and approve the publisher's proof before it's printed.

Before I had read Bill's book, he gave me a heads-up stating that he's not about dates and focusing the sequences of events. Naturally, this makes a book difficult to read; and, I certainly admit to struggling through Bill's book as well. I agree with a lot of what you've written about the book. We can agree that it's rough. The dialog seems convoluted, etc.

Since I've had a chance to talk to both of these men, I want to share my perspective. First I'll say that I'm still sorting through what's what. I've noticed that Bill says a lot that needs to be parsed. He takes liberties with the English language; and, as many have observed, we do need to kinda tie him down, so to speak, and gently request that he explain what he means when he says things like take four aspirin and return to age 29, or whatever. As long as I've mentioned the aspirin thing, I'll address that right now. Asprin Bill's generic term for any pill or drug.

TECHNICAL:
Think of Bill as a Systems Architect...not so much an engineer. Bob was an engineer. The two worked at the same place at the same time and worked with the same people. Bob remembers when Bill got into trouble with the Douglas Aircraft (DAC) executives after one of the Nordic Secretaries set up a meeting for him to go pitch their space systems and solutions to Dr. Debus and Verner Von Braun at NASA -- a copy of the meting minutes appears in Bill's book. If you've read Bill's book, you'll find a reference to one of the execs possibly being reptilian, which fits Bill's narrative of the Nordics helping us get off the planet to escape their control. There's much he's described to me that is not in the book.

Bill's brainchild for the APOLLO program was vertically assemble and check out the rockets in a white room (clean room) environment. Florida is a harsh, gritty, dirty, wet environment to work, which doesn't mix well with electronics. Bill designed the structures for the construction and check out of the rockets; and, he'd designed Mission Control, and other structures.

Moving on to my perspective:
Listening to Bill speak - sitting there with him in his home office -- I got the sense of his strong affinity for both, Debus and von Braun, and for the time he spent at DAC. He has repeatedly expressed the joy he got from working there. It was a different time. People took pride in the way they dressed, for example. People were more loose on all things sex; DAC made it easy that way; and, I think that environment is illustrated through the convoluted dialogs of the book. Bill struggled for a way to describe how fun the girls were. he would say there was a lot of flirting. It took the edge off some of the stress...made it easier and more fun to work there; but, when I asked for specific examples, he couldn't come up with anything precise...just the feeling of it. So; if you can look past the forced dialog, you may get a better feeling for the working environment at DAC. Bob didn't believe Bill's story at first, either. After being provided a few boxes of documents that Bill had acquired from his time working at various companies, Bob started to turn.

And look, Bob has about as many questions as the rest of us. When I visited him, I specifically asked Bob for his take on the drawings of the cigar-shaped space craft that appears in Bill's book. I wanted to know why it was drawn on what appears to be college-ruled paper. Why didn't he use velum? Bob explained that Bill worked in two departments at DAC - Manufacturing or engineering. I don't recall which he said. The point is the second place Bill worked was "The Vault" a.k.a. Think Tank. At The Vault, Bill didn't have the drafting table and supplies available to him in manufacturing. Again, Bill is an architect. Not just of systems -- of structures, as well. He has a mind for this kind of detail. Bill also showed me one other thing I recognized that carries weight. I cannot divulge what it is.

Bill doesn't have all the answers. One thing he's repeated is that he has some pieces; and, he hopes others come forward with their pieces to provide a clearer picture. I've noticed that fingers are pointed at Bill to answer very specific questions about advanced technologies like age regression. He doesn't know the science behind its functionality; but, he does know that it was researched while he was at TRW. Based on my conversations with him, he is convinced the technology exists and is being withheld. One question I want to ask is what leads him to believe this notion? Gosh, as I put this question in writing, I am reminded of an invention that he came up with that was halted in its tracks;because, it represented a threat to the energy companies who own all the R&D and won't allow such things to go public. Mr. Ryan, I'm sorry I can't recall exactly which one in this moment; because, on the day he told me, we literally talked for about nine hours. He did 99% of the talking. Many times, I would interject or seek clarification, only to have Bill respond by, 'hang on a second...what I'm trying to say is...; and, he'd continue on his narrative; and, I'm OK with that.

Here's why...

MY APPROACH:
I've seen people lambaste Jeff Rense by saying that Jeff just let Bill get away with saying anything he wants. I think people need to understand what it's like interviewing anyone. You can't go in with both guns blazing. They'll throw you out on your tail. In my world, I want to build a working relationship - a genuine friendship with mutual respect and trust. I want to hear what they have to say. This is the human condition. It is human nature to want to be seen and heard -- better yet...to be understood. People want to know you care; and, sometimes that means listening intently for a extended periods of time, so that you can understand them - hear what they're saying. From the posts I've received on my YouTube videos, it seems so many people want to be vindictive towards people who share their extraordinary personal experiences. This is one big reason I don't go public with mine. So many people launch their prose from an attack posture, as if the person in my videos sharing their story have ruined their life; and, now there's hell to pay. When I go video people's stories, I'm not there to exclusively harvest information. Sure, I'm curious. I want to know; but, I feel that making a friend, first, is the top priority. In time, I have faith that answers will come...just not at the push-button pace that many demand.

Stepping off my soapbox now...

THE NORDIC SECRETARIES:
Here is one very important aspect that no one can get from the book...that no one can get unless they have sat down and talked to Bill for a few days. We know from the book that Bill had telepathic contact with the Nordic Secretaries. What failed to make its way into the book is that he had CONSTANT TELEPATHIC COMMUNICATION with them. For the years he was at Douglas, he always had this. After he left, poof. It was gone; and, today, he still misses that contact. Mr. Ryan, I recognize that thing he misses. I can't tell you how poignant this is. You can't begin to understand this, unless you've personally experienced this kind of contact with ET. Bill bumped into his Nordic secretary again years later; and, that entire experience sounds like something out of a Science fiction movie. Since he may be planning on including this experience in his next book, I will not deny him fist publication rights of that story; but, I will tell you it is amazing and profound.

MEETING WITH THEM:
I'll be contacting Dr. Robert Wood soon, to schedule a time to interview him. He's already agreed to an interview. We simply need to schedule it. If you have questions, that you think would be good to ask, send them my way.
Bill had a bit of a spill recently; so, we've agreed to reconnect in a couple of weeks to schedule a time to meet, after he's feeling better. I'll be helping him with some speech to text software, so that he can dictate the draft of his next book. Again, you got a question or two? Let me know.

Walter

Builder

26th October 2016, 17:38

Thats supposedly a Solar Warden ship. Have no proof. Just figuring out how to upload pictures ;)

It's a "Scinfaxi-class submarine" from the video game Ace Combat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_Combat):

http://acecombat.wikia.com/wiki/Scinfaxi-class_submarine

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/acecombat/images/c/cb/Scinfaxi.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20131023172900

Bill Ryan

26th October 2016, 17:53

Thats supposedly a Solar Warden ship. Have no proof. Just figuring out how to upload pictures ;)

It's a shame that I can't remember the true source, but I once researched that image and found it's from a movie like Star Trek or something similar, but definitely not showing a real space ship.

Yep. He did upload it, but it was an image from a video game. See this post #32 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-New-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower-William-Tompkins--now-92-yrs-&p=1052302&viewfull=1#post1052302).

Builder

26th October 2016, 18:03

Yep. He did upload it, but it was an image from a video game. See this post #32 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-New-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower-William-Tompkins--now-92-yrs-&p=1052302&viewfull=1#post1052302).

You just beat me to it while I was updating my post with the video game info :-)

Now for everyone out there interested in finding websites that just copy crap without doing any research, do a Google image search for that supposed space ship ;-)

Builder

26th October 2016, 20:59

The proof why the Nordics are from here is because they are breathing the same oxygen (Atmosphere, Pressure, Oxygen composition, Viruses). Ask a scientist how unlikely is the chance that an alien comes to this planet and breath the same air. Our atmosphere is for others highly toxic.

The Nordics can breathe our atmosphere and this has to do because they evolved on this planet Earth.

It's highly likely that other planets also developed the O2 / CO2 life cycle powered by sun energy (why not? it works great, and what works great will prevail). If that's the case then the main components of our atmosphere N2 and O2 would not be problematic. A to high CO2 percentage could be toxic, but the levels on earth are really low:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Toxicity

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg/330px-Atmosphere_gas_proportions.svg.png

norman

12th November 2016, 03:38

As I'm listening to William speak to Jeff Rense tonight it's struck me that there may be a reason why he's been allowed/told to release his information.

If the USA was chosen to be given all the tech' advances through Apollo etc, the military strategists may want this out so that other powers like Russia and China will not dare to take them on militerally.

ClandestineDisclosure

12th November 2016, 07:01

Hello all,

On November 7th, I had the honor and pleasure of interviewing William Tompkins and Dr. Robert Wood on camera. It was a three-camera shoot; and, I'm in the process of editing that footage now - almost three hours of it. I hope to have the first part posted by November 18, 2016.

Thank you.

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ClandestineDisclosure

12th November 2016, 07:34

John,

Nice write-up. I like your take on the Nordic secretaries possibly being shape-shifting reptilians, especially when I start to consider factions within the Reptilian race. Are they good or evil? I like to think it's possible that they're good and take the pleasing form of beautiful women so that they don't give the wrong impression. After all, ya can't just pop in on humanity looking the way you do and expect to receive a warm welcome, especially when you're trying to help them. I have good reason to think this way that I won't delve into here.

Regarding the book, I agree. It is rough and all of what you said. Bill had been working on it for some time...enlisting the help of female college interns (what else?) for a number of years; and, they simply weren't able to execute. I seem to recall Bill mentioning having worked on the book for a number (ten, I think) of years before he met Dr. Robert Wood, who also had worked at Douglas Aircraft the same time Bill was there; and, Bob sat on it for a number of years, as well.

In fact, Dr. Bob had heard about this rogue employee at DAC who ran off to pitch NASA without management approval. Bob had expressed to me that since this was Bill's autobiography - who was he to change it? Bob recognizes the issues with the book. He's recently submitted a new proof to the publisher - making many hundreds of changes - mostly correcting usage and spelling errors, and deleting duplicate pages, etc.

Who am I? I became friends with Bill and Bob in the Summer of 2016...just a few months ago; and, we've become fast friends. I've visited Bill and spent many hours talking with him. I've also been helping Bill with computer issues and getting him up to speed on Dragon software so that he can start dictating his next book. He's not able to manually type anymore.

I've just interviewed both Dr. Bob and Bill. I have about three hours of coverage; and, the footage shall be freely available on YouTube later this month - November 18th or so.

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Thank you,

Walter

ClandestineDisclosure

15th November 2016, 01:09

ClandestineDisclosure

16th November 2016, 20:57

Responding to my own post here. I produced a 3-part video interview with Dr. Robert Wood and William Tomkins. As I write this, Part 1 was posted yesterday; and, part 2 is has several more hours of uploading to go. Search for the video by title name on YouTube:
Robert Wood and William Tompkins Interview

Cidersomerset

16th November 2016, 22:43

Robert Wood and William Tompkins Interview - Part 1

Thanks Clandestine excellent audio and picture quality and fascinating
first episode , both Bob and Bill giving background intro. Bill went off
at a tangent with his cousin , brother and himself having contact with
the 'Bort' as he called them, and how they only appeared to them.
This is not the usual 'Child hood friends' as all three of them interacted
with them. Then he goes into his Uncles work. Its obvious Bill has
plenty of information , but it seems difficult to keep it coherent though
this is early days...

This is very good quality cheers..Steve.....:ufo:

:cantina:

This vid just happens to be next on the U'tube link and has Bill showing
some drawings of a craft and explain them.He also talks about the Navy's
search for UFO's and bases under the sea , also the Battle of LA and
the space navy.

( This vid got taken down pretty quick )

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Published on 7 Nov 2016

Aurelius

17th November 2016, 09:05

amazing information .... is it true ? ? ?

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Cidersomerset

17th November 2016, 14:48

amazing information ....

I agree I know a lot of this has been discussed in his other interviews
but this one gives me the feel of if this was a ' story ' , Bill actually
lived it. Bobs face is a gem at times as Bill drops 'narrative bombs'
as new aspects to already referred to events unfold.

Again this is so fantastic a tale and with Bill there sitting in front
of us in the flesh so to speak , he seems genuine to me. Of course
all his answers generate more questions and I still don't know what
to make of it . Some of his main story points have been discussed
for years Nazi , Nordics, Secret space programme , masons , Apollo
reptillians etc. But he has another unique take of history since WW11.

looking forward to the next one......I do like this format so far.

norman

17th November 2016, 15:36

At least we now know that the 'moon landings' having "help" doesn't have to mean ET help.

Bob Dean's photo of a huge craft taken from an Apollo capsule on the way to the moon also fits in with this story.

I'm still struggling with, Why Now ?

Aurelius

17th November 2016, 16:22

<snip>
I'm still struggling with, Why Now ?

could it be as simple as, you're reaching the end of your life (92yrs!), you look back ....

norman

17th November 2016, 16:44

<snip>
I'm still struggling with, Why Now ?

could it be as simple as, you're reaching the end of your life (92yrs!), you look back ....

Apparently he consulted with current serving officers about whether he could write/talk about this stuff and they said yea go ahead get it all out.

ClandestineDisclosure

20th November 2016, 07:03

amazing information .... is it true ? ? ?

Well, that's the trick, isn't it - discerning the truth. One of the driving forces of my YouTube channel - or 'thrust', as Bill likes to say - is to show the story-tellers and expereincers...regardless of preconceived notions or prepackaged discernment funneled down our throats, right? :-) Ultimately, each of us has to decide for ourselves what is truth and what is reality. I'm here to put folks in a better position to see. As I write this (November 19, 2016, 11:01 p.m. Pacific), the third and final part of this series is being exported from my editor. It will be available for viewing on my YouTube channel sometime tomorrow.

ClandestineDisclosure

20th November 2016, 07:14

amazing information ....

Of course all his answers generate more questions and I still don't know what
to make of it . Some of his main story points have been discussed
for years Nazi , Nordics, Secret space programme , masons , Apollo
reptillians etc. But he has another unique take of history since WW11.

looking forward to the next one......I do like this format so far.

The third and final part of this interview series shall be available for viewing on November 20, 2016. I've had many hours sitting and talking with Bill - getting to really know the guy;and, still...in this interview...he surprised me. I've known Bill for just a few months. Dr. Bob has known Bill for much longer - years; and, yet, Bill surprised him too. Sitting in that room...watching all that unfold was a hoot!

I live and work in the San Diego area, where I have many friends in the independent film community, who have been generous with their time. They made this four-camera shoot possible. For their assistance during production, I am grateful. Anticipating the next question, I will say I hope to be able to shoot more of these with Bill. My crew has already offered to help.

Thank you for watching.

Walter

EFO

20th November 2016, 08:30

ClandestineDisclosure

20th November 2016, 19:21

amazing information .... is it true ? ? ?

Hi Walter,
I don't say that Mr.Woods and/or Mr. Tompkins stories are true or false,because I was't there when happened,but I 100% believe them both.Barely wait for the third part of the interview.You did a very good job for which I personally Thank You.

I appreciate your humility. Some people can be a bit more - oh, I don't know - rabid? LOL Anyhow, Thank you for your kind words. I'm happy to share.

In this third and final part of this interview series with William Tompkins and Dr. Robert Wood, we discuss life extension studies; research at TRW and the telepathic extraterrestrial help they were receiving from the Blues; Bill's life and work at Naval Air Station North Island during WWII and what it was like working with Admiral Rico Botta, interfacing with the Naval Operatives, receiving technological data from them, and disseminating packages to the defense industry, colleges, and naval research facilities.
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norman

20th November 2016, 21:34

This photo of William as a young man with some young women he worked with was brought out on the 3rd video.

http://i1371.photobucket.com/albums/ag289/mclies2/Billy%20Tompkins%20as%20a%20youngster_zpse5xyhndy.jpg

Cidersomerset

21st November 2016, 16:07

I don't know what to say except " Please Can I have some more sir "....LOL

http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/Tomp008.jpg
http://cdn3.theeventchronicle.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/William-Tomkins.gifhttp://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/images/TompLAexam52art.jpg
http://exopolitics.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/DiscLandedonAircraftCarrier.jpg

http://exopolitics.org/us-navy-photo-of-alien-ufo-landing-on-aircraft-carrier-is-genuine-claims-aerospace-engineer/

http://exopolitics.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Tomp007s.jpg

http://exopolitics.org/top-aerospace-designer-blows-whistle-on-secret-us-navy-space-battle-fleets/

Foxie Loxie

21st November 2016, 20:55

WOW! Walter! Thanks so much for these amazing interviews. It is so interesting to pull together all the little pieces one has learned; thank you for the part you have played! :highfive:

Cidersomerset

21st November 2016, 21:23

Secret Space prog' witness Bill Tompkins & Bob Wood Inter' by Av' mem. Clandestine

I would like to thank clandestine Disclosure for his preliminary trilogy of interviews
and hope they will continue. The audio , picture and production quality is very
good , especially compared to previous interviews where Bills soft voice was hard
to pick up sometimes. These have been posted on the original William Tompkins
thread but only the members following that will probably see them and potentially this
witness maybe the real deal , only time will tell but he does connect some of the
dots of other whistle blowers . You should be familiar with most of the references
to many memes from the UFO disclosure field but he tells his story in a unique way.

I still do not know what to make of it but they are fascinating interviews if you are
interested in the subject. There is more info and discussion on the original thread
link below .......

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-New-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower-William-Tompkins--now-92-yrs-/page5

Robert Wood and William Tompkins Interview - Part 1

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Published on 14 Nov 2016

In this multi-part interview series, we meet with William Tompkins and Dr. Robert Wood
– the author and editor of Bill’s autobiography, Selected by Extraterrestrials, My Life in
the Top Secret World of UFOs, Think-tanks, and Nordic Secretaries.

In part one; we explore Dr. Bob’s work at Douglas Aircraft as an engineer and his
scientific research into UFOs and how they could work; his work with in retirement with
MUFON; and his authentication of Top Secret UFO, MJ12, and other documents related
to of a variety of topics, including the Battle of Los Angeles, c.1942.

Later, Dr. Wood and Bill Tompkins discuss TRW research projects, the prospect of
meeting ET and UFO sightings.

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Robert Wood and William Tompkins Interview - Part 2

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Published on 16 Nov 2016

William Tompkins discloses his first-hand witness testimony of what he saw during the
reconnaissance missions to the moon and during NASA's and Neil Armstrong's first
manned mission to the moon - Apollo 11. If you were alive back then and watched it all
unfold on TV, as I had, according to Bill, we weren't shown everything. Later, Dr. Robert
Wood prompts Bill to discuss his first job with US NAVY Intelligence - what was it like
working with Admiral Rico Botta during WWII; and, we get to hear from Bill how he had
finally received confirmation that his secretaries were indeed Nordic Extraterrestrials.

RELATED LINKS:

Documents Support Claims of Covert Navy Operation in Nazi Germany Tied to Secret Space Programs
http://exopolitics.org/documents-supp...

Selected by Extraterrestrials
https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Extra...

Alien Viruses: Crashed UFOs, MJ-12, & Biowarfare
https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Viruses-...

Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Project
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_O...

=======================================================

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Published on 20 Nov 2016

In this third and final part of this interview series with William Tompkins and Dr. Robert
Wood, we discuss life extension studies; research at TRW and the telepathic
extraterrestrial help they were receiving from the Blues – not to be confused with Corey
Goode’s Blue Avians; Bill's life and work at Naval Air Station North Island during WWII
and what it was like working with Admiral Rico Botta, interfacing with the Naval
Operatives, receiving technological data from them, and disseminating packages to the
defense industry, colleges, and naval research facilities.

RELATED LINKS:

DOCUMENTS SUPPORT CLAIMS OF COVERT NAVY OPERATION IN NAZI GERMANY TIED TO SECRET SPACE PROGRAMS
http://exopolitics.org/documents-supp...

SELECTED BY EXTRATERRESTRIALS
https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Extra...

CRAFTSMANSHIP MUSEUM - illustrations of Bill's ship models
http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.com/To...

SOLAR WARDEN
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/darre...

GERMAN HANUBU SAUCER-SHAPED CRAFT
http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/HAU...

DRUGS THAT DRAMATICALLY INCREASE HEALTHY LIFESPAN DISCOVERED BY SCRIPPS
RESEARCH, MAYO CLINIC
http://www.kurzweilai.net/drugs-that-...

SKUNK WORKS
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/aero...

MARIA ORSIC AND THE VRIL GESELLSCHAFT
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cie...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-New-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower-William-Tompkins--now-92-yrs-/page6

Cidersomerset

23rd November 2016, 07:42

Science fact & Sci-fi are relate...

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.20.5/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Science fact: Sci-fi inventions that became reality

18 November 2016

http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/9ACE/production/_92503693_gettyimages-622392842.jpg
Light speed travel and tractor beams - researchers have toyed with both

The story of a 14-year-old girl who won a landmark legal battle to be
preserved cryogenically has many people wondering how such technology
actually works - for many of us, it seems like something straight out of
science fiction.

But sci-fi has a long history of becoming science fact, as outlandish creations
inspire real research.

Remarkable realities

Tractor beams

In Star Wars, the unfortunate heroes are caught in a "tractor beam" that
freezes their ship and pulls them towards the enemy. Star Trek has a
similar weapon.

An Australian university can do the same thing - although its experiments
with lasers could only manage to move a tiny object (one fifth of a millimetre)
along about 20cm.

read more....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38026393

Aurelius

23rd November 2016, 09:57

Can't seem to find any information on William (Bill) Tompkins' cousin John Handen, nor on his uncle Dr Harding.

From the descriptions in the interview, both appear to have had interesting lives.

Has anyone had any success finding info on them?

John Handen - referenced in Part1 of the interview @ 31m40s - Geologist, Astrophysicist, prominent astronomer. Drilling the ocean floor off USA East Coast, ET's (Borts) involved, examining earth's crust content, lots of publicity. Adviser to TRW Systems. Given funding to study ET's, including ET's throughout the galaxy, studies published. Had the ability to see the Borts.

Dr Harding - referenced in Part1 of the interview @ 35m55s - Chief surgeon at the Santa Monica hospital. Wealthy. Ancient Egypt and Egyptology was his hobby, many trips to Egypt, artifacts brought back. Studied all material related to ancient Egypt. Convinced ancient Egyptians were related to ET's, these ET's are involved in what is taking place on this planet now. Many study groups initiated, oversaw or directly involved in most. Was able to translate hieroglyphics.

* not clear whether the text highlighted in magenta relates to the cousin or the uncle.

norman

27th November 2016, 03:26

I've gathered together all the Rense interviews with William Tompkins since the first on 14th December 2015 up to 11th November 2016. There's quite a lot of them.

They are zipped into 2 files because the hosting site's free accounts won't accept a file as big as all of them together. When unzipped they will be in two folders, A and B. They are titled and tagged so as to play continuously from first to last ( hopefully ).

File A:
https://app.box.com/s/h8lfla4imw1j2t8xluoxediobmn7xvgt

File B:
https://app.box.com/s/x6aj62i0a8dk2n09prkazchbxaos6yq4

Cidersomerset

27th November 2016, 07:04

From the Daily Mail U'tube site.....UFO's or optical illusion ? topical little vid.
Its said it was from the 14th nov around the time of the super moon and would
of been a good ET tourist event say the 'Reptilian finger '..LOL . Or ?

Have alien hunters spotted 'hundreds' of UFOs leaving the moon

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Published on 23 Nov 2016
Have alien hunters spotted 'hundreds' of UFOs leaving the moon
American space commentators say that with Donald Trump headed
for the White House, we may see a moon colony before humans step
foot on Mars.However, leaked footage suggests our natural satellite
may have already been claimed - as YouTube clips appears to show
'hundreds' of UFOs taking off from the lunar surface at once.

norman

27th November 2016, 19:20

German Flying Machines:

https://vimeo.com/170247143

http://www.rense.com/general96/germdiscs2/GermanDiscWatching%20.jpg

Kindred

28th November 2016, 01:04

What a shame that humanity has resorted to running around the solar system, and possibly beyond, with the mindset of a monkey with a loaded machine gun.
An Extremely sad commentary on the state of the human race (at least of those that are 'in charge').

THIS is why I cry...

In the HOPE of Unity, PEACE and LOVE

Cidersomerset

28th November 2016, 10:33

THIS is why I cry...

In the HOPE of Unity, PEACE and LOVE

Don't despair to much Kindred you are a god experiencing this '------ Up ' shared
reality and as we are eternal this is definitely not all the cosmos has to offer as
far as I'm concerned....

A post I put on another thread yesterday again leaving more questions than answers.....

The incoming ET greet and meet is the interesting bit for this thread...
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I have not been on the site much over the past few days and have been listening to
this weeks payday which was 15hrs over Sat/sun. Its impossible to present their
info unless you follow the show and material and can get into their frequency which
is chaotic at times. Anyway among many mentions of the Trump presidency were
that, the Jill Stein recount will fail and if they persist it will show Trump won
popular vote as well. Although he has said he will not prosecute Hillary himself , it
does not mean someone else will not. Cuba US ties will strengthen now Fidel has
passed and Raul is off to Bermuda apparently , although that may have been
a metaphor that he is leaving office ?

Trump will stay in NY until the swamp is drained , and when he does go to
Washington it will be a rebuilt White house ? Again not sure if this is the physical
building or another metaphor. There were lots of other references all Trump
positive so it sounds positive. He does have a chat with Eben Ray who was upset
last week with the Hillary defeat. But after this conversation with Ion she is much
more optimistic , she has two segments spread over the last 2 hours of the show
on link below. They also discuss the alien craft the size of Texas is on its way to
Earth which will arrive during the Trump presidency... On a ' Greet & Meet ' visit...WTF...LOL

http://achieveradio.com/payday/

Bill formally of information farm does post some of the interviews over the following
week so if he does a Trump or Eben collage I'l post later. I don't expect any of you
to take this info as gospel,but it is very interesting to me as I have been following
them since 2009....

I think Ebens question was about the alleged alien super structure ? I cannot
remember whether that was really a craft or its a separate one ?

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This will only be relevant to this thread if they do turn up while the Donald is in
office. It sounds ridiculous but after this year so far who knows ? Also David
Icke has been saying since well before 2012 , when he said he saw nothing
happening then,but did point to 2016/7/8 as being pivotal and is why he embarked
on his open ended world tour starting earlier in the year...

This is not to be confused with a possible false ET event....

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90590-Transition-into-Trump&p=1116754&viewfull=1#post1116754

Aurvandil

29th November 2016, 14:46

Robert Wood and William Tompkins Interview - Part 1
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In this multi-part interview series, we meet with William Tompkins and Dr. Robert Wood – the author and editor of Bill’s autobiography, Selected by Extraterrestrials, My Life in the Top Secret World of UFOs, Think-tanks, and Nordic Secretaries.

In part one; we explore Dr. Bob’s work at Douglas Aircraft as an engineer and his scientific research into UFOs and how they could work; his work with in retirement with MUFON; and his authentication of Top Secret UFO, MJ12, and other documents related to of a variety of topics, including the Battle of Los Angeles, c.1942.

Later, Dr. Wood and Bill Tompkins discuss TRW research projects and ET / UFOs.

Thank you so much for doing this important work! Dr. Wood and Mr Tompkins surely are interesting gentlemen and should be documented as much as possible.

I have watched all three videos and it sure are fantastic facts they are telling us. I have over the years developed an interest in the theories of Nazi UFO`s and also the ideology of the SS, Ahnenerbe and related topics. I have, unfortunately, forgotten a lot of it but was reminded of some things when watching the videos and several pieces sort of come together.

I have a few questions that just popped up, and am curious what all of your thoughts are.

1. Is the US knowledge about the Nazi UFO´s the reason why US was happy that Wernher von Braun has defected to them? What was his part in this in Germany? What about his colleague Hermann Oberth? They allegedly both knew about the alien contact, for example after the bombing of London in 1944 Braun has been quoted to have said: "It was never supposed to happen. We have built these rockets to open the door to others planets, not to cause destruction on this earth. Should this be the fruit of our labour?"
2. What is known about the Reptilian contact with the Nazi Regime? When was it taken? What happened after WWII, did the Reptilians give up?
3. Was it the Aldebaran civilization that allegedly sent telephatic messages to Maria Orsic? The Aldebarans is the Nordics, right? Same as Tompkins secretary? Does this imply some sort of rivality among the Nordics?
4. Why would the Reptilians acknowledge the "cooperation" with the Nordics through the Vril society? Or which race called the shots here in the first place? Which alien race wanted which result?
4. Was the "hieroglyphs" used in the package documents Sumerian?
5. Does this have anything to do with the German/international society Verein für Raumschiffahrt, which ended in 1934?
6. Was the SS search expeditions under Himmler for holy artefacts a complement to the work of the UFO´s in a more mythological/ideological way?
7. Is the "Blue people" mr Tompkins mentions also Nordics?
8. Does ANY of this has anything to do with the theory of the Council of Nines? There is a slight similarity between the approach, although perhaps not in messages?

Cidersomerset

30th November 2016, 12:16

An article from Davids Ickes headline page....

ET Disclosure Lite – Wikileaks and Other Admissions That We’re Not Alone

By David on 30 November 2016 GMT

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http://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/WT-Logo-Color-Orange-Red-Fade-1.png

By WakingTimes November 29, 2016

ET Disclosure Lite – Wikileaks and Other Admissions That We’re Not Alone

http://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/DeClassified-UFO.png
Nathaniel Mauka, Staff Writer
Waking Times

NASA Administrator, Major Charles Bolden once told school children that Area
51 did exist and that aliens had visited our planet, but that none of those aliens
were hidden at the mysterious base in Nevada. Later, the exact location of Area
51 was revealed in government documents but there was still no mention of aliens.
CIA spy planes then confirmed the location of Area 51, though the US government
had denied its existence for over 40 years.

read more...
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2016/11/29/et-disclosure-lite-wikileaks-admissions-not-alone/

norman

1st December 2016, 06:14

http://www.rense.com/general96/deepspaceexmp4.html

For The First Time In History, You Can Read For Yourself These Stunning, Never Before Seen, Official Secret Scientific Documents And Papers From The Early 1950s Dealing With Design, Development And Physics KNOWLEDGE Behind Our Most Ultra Classified Technology.

Mr. Tompkins Worked At The Most Classified And Secret Levels Hidden Away In Secret Think Tanks At The Douglas Aircraft Company Which Would Eventually Be Known As McDonnell Douglas Missiles And Space.

You Can Now Read In The Words Of The Scientists Themselves About The Research And Development Of What Seemed Like Science Fiction Advanced Propulsion Systems For Rockets And Space Vehicles ...Ultimately To Allow Them To Travel Faster Than The Speed Of Light.

The Truth Of Our Most Brilliant Science, Its Origins And How These Propulsion Systems An Technology Came Into Existence, And Then Deployment, Are Being Disclosed By Mr. Tompkins In Order To Bring The World Into Conformity With Reality.

http://www.rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPreface.pdf

http://www.rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPropulsion1.pdf

http://www.rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPropulsion2.pdf

http://www.rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPropulsion3.pdf

http://www.rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPropulsion4.pdf

norman

1st December 2016, 09:20

Here's news of anther ex Navy insider with similar connections as a courier of top secret documents:

https://www.kgraradio.com/former-navy-officer-shares-ufo-secrets/ (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Flexible-Tripod-Holder-YT-CLUB/dp/B016ZZUDVY)

The actual interview starts at around 35 minutes but I can't find a way to skip forward to that point.

Cidersomerset

1st December 2016, 14:46

I think this is the first full interview I have listened to Corey on his own ? Its
the latest F2B interview when posted and Jimmy goes thru his experiences.
Like Andrew Basiago and others I get the feeling Corey believes this real and
ongoing . He seems genuine to me but who knows if it is true or not ? But
worth a listen if you are interested.

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Ep. 564 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Corey Goode : The SSP and Interstellar War : LIVE

Interview starts approx 33 mins in....

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Published on 30 Nov 2016

Corey Goode was identified as an intuitive empath (IE) with precognitive abilities
and was recruited through one of the MILAB programs at the young age of six.
Goode trained and served in the MILAB program from 1976-1986/87. Towards the
end of his time as a MILAB he was assigned to an IE support role for a rotating
Earth Delegate Seat (shared by secret earth government groups) in a “human-
type” ET Super Federation Council.

During his 20 year service his assignments included the Intruder Intercept
Interrogation Program and Assignment to the ASSR “ISRV”– Auxiliary Specialized
Space Research, Interstellar Class Vessel.

Goode is in direct physical contact with the Blue Avians (of the Sphere Being
Alliance) who have chosen him as a delegate to interface with multiple ET
Federations and Councils on their behalf, liaison with the SSP Alliance Council, and
to deliver important messages to humanity.

Tonight we start off the show with Corey addressing the Steven Greer presentation
in Las Vegas...and then we do a complete history of the SSP and the Interstellar
War...for the first time everything is brought to the front in detail.

He then answers questions sent in via Twitter and email...

Air date: November 29, 2016

Cidersomerset

1st December 2016, 21:49

Since WW 11 the mil ind complex's have been on covert and overt war footing.
This enables ongoing research and development as well as hiding Black Projects.
Which leads to the Secret Space Programme etc.....

Unbelievable SciFi Military 'Weapons That Actually Exist'

By David on 1 December 2016 GMT War and Terror

ACTIVIST POST....

Unbelievable SciFi Military “Weapons That Actually Exist”
TOPICS:Mac SlavoMilitary.
November 30, 2016

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By Mac Slavo

It may sound like the kind of science fiction contraptions that would show up in a
James Bond film or some other futuristic Hollywood spectacle … but these weapons
are now making their way to the battlefield.

The technology that is understood by the general public is seriously outdated.
There has been a revolution of new advances in technology, and much of it draws
heavily from the use of electromagnetic energy, lasers and A.I. robots.

The future is downright deadly – that is, if you wind up in the crosshairs.

Though many of these devices may seem outlandish, they are, in fact, ready to
make the difference in the conflicts of the rest of the 21st Century.

As this video points out, these science fiction-esque weapons “actually exist.”

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Published on 23 Nov 2016

Check out these scifi weapons that actually exist! These futuristic weapons are absolutely mindblowing!

Read more ......

Read more: Unbelievable SciFi Military ‘Weapons That Actually Exist’

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/11/unbelievable-scifi-military-weapons-actually-exist.html

Top Secret Advanced Military Weapons

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Cidersomerset

1st December 2016, 22:23

Another related article from the headline page .....Who knows where they are ?
in the development of mind control and memories , the article below charts early
CIA interest back to the 1950's.

CIA MKULTRA: Drugs To Ruin The Nation

By David on 1 December 2016 GMT

ACTIVIST POST.....

CIA MKULTRA: Drugs to Ruin the Nation

TOPICS:CIAJon Rappoportmind control.
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November 29, 2016

http://www.activistpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/cia-mkultra-drugs.jpg

By Jon Rappoport

Drugs to transform individuals…and even, by implication, society.

Drug research going far beyond the usual brief descriptions of MKULTRA.

The intention is there, in the record:

A CIA document was included in the transcript of the 1977 US Senate Hearings on MKULTRA,
the CIA’s mind-control program.

The document is found in Appendix C, starting on page 166. It’s simply labeled “Draft,” dated
5 May 1955 (note: scroll down to #123-125 in the document).

It states: “A portion of the Research and Development Program of [CIA’s] TSS/Chemical Division
is devoted to the discovery of the following materials and methods:”

What followed was a list of hoped-for drugs and their uses.

First, a bit of background: MKULTRA did not end in 1962, as advertised. It was shifted over to the
Agency’s Office of Research and Development.

John Marks is the author of the groundbreaking book, Search for the Manchurian Candidate, which
exposed MKULTRA. Marks told me a CIA representative informed him that the continuation of
MKULTRA, after 1962, was carried out with a greater degree of secrecy, and he, Marks, would never
see a scrap of paper about it.

I’m printing below, the list of the 1955 intentions of the CIA regarding their own drug research. The
range of those intentions is stunning.

Some of my comments gleaned from studying the list:

The CIA wanted to find substances which would “promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness.” Serious consideration
should be given to the idea that psychiatric medications, food additives, herbicides, and industrial chemicals (like
fluorides) would eventually satisfy that requirement.

The CIA wanted to find chemicals that “would produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible
way.” This suggests many possibilities—among them the use of drugs to fabricate diseases and thereby give the false
impression of germ-caused epidemics.

The CIA wanted to find drugs that would “produce amnesia.” Ideal for discrediting whistleblowers, dissidents, certain
political candidates, and other investigators. (Scopolamine, for example.)

The CIA wanted to discover drugs which would produce “paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.” A way to
make people decline in health as if from diseases.

The CIA wanted to develop drugs that would “alter personality structure” and thus induce a person’s dependence on
another person. How about dependence in general? For instance, dependence on institutions, governments?

The CIA wanted to discover chemicals that would “lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men.” Sounds
like a general description of the devolution of society.

As you read the list yourself, you’ll see more implications/possibilities.

Here, from 1955, are the types of drugs the MKULTRA men at the CIA were looking for. The following statements are
direct CIA quotes:A portion of the Research and Development Program of TSS/Chemical Division is devoted to the
discovery of the following materials and methods:

1. Substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be
discredited in public.

2. Substances which increase the efficiency of mentation and perception.

3. Materials which will prevent or counteract the intoxicating effect of alcohol.

4. Materials which will promote the intoxicating effect of alcohol.

5. Materials which will produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they
may be used for malingering, etc.

6. Materials which will render the induction of hypnosis easier or otherwise enhance its usefulness.

7. Substances which will enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture and coercion during
interrogation and so-called “brain-washing”.

8. Materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia for events preceding and during their use.

9. Physical methods of producing shock and confusion over extended periods of time and capable of surreptitious use.

10. Substances which produce physical disablement such as paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.

11. Substances which will produce “pure” euphoria with no subsequent let-down.

12. Substances which alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become
dependent upon another person is enhanced.

13. A material which will cause mental confusion of such a type that the individual under its influence will find
it difficult to maintain a fabrication under questioning.

14. Substances which will lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men when administered in undetectable amounts.

15. Substances which promote weakness or distortion of the eyesight or hearing faculties, preferably without permanent effects.

16. A knockout pill which can surreptitiously be administered in drinks, food, cigarettes, as an aerosol, etc., which will be
safe to use, provide a maximum of amnesia, and be suitable for use by agent types on an ad hoc basis.

17. A material which can be surreptitiously administered by the above routes and which in very small amounts will make it
impossible for a man to perform any physical activity whatsoever.

At the end of this 1955 CIA document, the author [unnamed] makes these remarks: “In practice, it has been possible to use outside
cleared contractors for the preliminary phases of this [research] work. However, that part which involves human testing at effective
dose levels presents security problems which cannot be handled by the ordinary contactors.

“The proposed [human testing] facility [deletion] offers a unique opportunity for the secure handling of such clinical testing in addition
to the many advantages outlined in the project proposal. The security problems mentioned above are eliminated by the fact that the
responsibility for the testing will rest completely upon the physician and the hospital. [one line deleted] will allow [CIA] TSS/CD personnel
to supervise the work very closely to make sure that all tests are conducted according to the recognized practices and embody adequate
safeguards.”

In other words, this was to be ultra-secret. No outside contractors at universities for the core of the experiments, which by the way could
be carried forward for decades.

A secret in-house facility.

Over the years, more facilities could be created.

If you examine the full range of psychiatric drugs developed since 1955, you’ll see that a number of them fit the CIA’s agenda. Speed-type
chemicals to addle the brain over the long term, to treat so-called ADHD. Anti-psychotic drugs, AKA “major tranquilizers,” to render patients
more and more dependent on others (and government) as they sink into profound disability and incur motor brain damage. And of course,
the SSRI antidepressants, like Prozac and Paxil and Zoloft, which produce extreme and debilitating highs and lows—and also push people
over the edge into committing violence.

These drugs drag the whole society down into lower and lower levels of consciousness and action.

If that’s the goal of a very powerful and clandestine government agency…it’s succeeding.

(To read about Jon’s mega-collection, The Matrix Revealed, click here.)

The author of three explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED, EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, and POWER OUTSIDE THE MATRIX, Jon was a
candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of
which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years,
writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines
in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the
world. You can sign up for his free emails at NoMoreFakeNews.com or OutsideTheRealityMachine

Read More....

http://www.activistpost.com/2016/11/cia-mkultra-drugs-ruin-nation.html

Builder

2nd December 2016, 10:24

The video segment referred to above in post #4 is from the 1977 fiction-based-on-fact "Alternative 3"

That's why websites like exepolitics.org that present fictional material without any note about the origin are on my personal black list. I first completely dismissed Tompkins as yet another disinformation agent from that group of commercialised BS artists. Good that he didn't stay exclusively within that group.

Cidersomerset

2nd December 2016, 16:25

I first completely dismissed Tompkins as yet another disinformation agent from that
group of commercialised BS artists. Good that he didn't stay exclusively within that group.

I don't know how long Bill Tompkins has been disclosing and I got the impression it was only
recently , last 2 or 3 years ? Why would an elderly gentleman closer to the astral plane than
the UFO disclosure/entertainment circuits is interesting in itself and I do not buy he is in for
the money or fame. There are plenty of examples of disinfo agents and pranksters in the
alternate field from Crop circle to the various galactic ambassadors etc , etc. Though I am
not ready to dismiss this as a intel op , but I think Bill said he has a handler ? whether its a prank or
he is purposely trying to take the p--- , or whatever ? I find hard to believe also.

All of this can be dismissed as Science fiction and I have watched virtually all the shows
over the decades and every scenario has been used in them but that goes back to human
creators and searching for stories from myth,legends, history ,religion ,books and now
the web. But it could also be true and hidden within Scy -fi and easily dismissed as BS.

For me the jury is out but we do need more specific details from some of these whistleblowers,
this is why I will give everyone respect and an open mind until proven otherwise...

======================================================

By coincidence last nights F2B trying to get to the bottom of John Titot , was it a prank ?
was he real ? etc in the same vane ....I am listening to it now.

Interview starts aprox 33 mins in...

Ep. 565 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Mike Sauve : the John Titor Legend : LIVE

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Published on 1 Dec 2016
Author and journalist Mike Sauve has written non fiction for The National Post. His fiction
has appeared in McSweeney’s. His novels The Wraith of Skrellman and The Apocalypse of
Lloyd are available from Montag Press.

Cidersomerset

3rd December 2016, 11:54

Joseph speculates some possible odd goings on in Antarctica...

NEWS AND VIEWS FROM THE NEFARIUM DEC 1 2016

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Streamed live on 1 Dec 2016

This may be the first case of a "you tell me" News and Views in quite a while, because
rather than talking about President-elect Trump, or Pizzagate, or any of that, we're
going to be talking about Antarctica and the VERY strange goings on there, this time,
with former Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin:

Bill Ryan

5th December 2016, 18:36

.
Jeff Rense's recent (30 Nov 2016) conversation with Bill Tompkins, here:

(The full interview mp3 links are below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CMYRRWg6eA

Here are the documents:

****

From http://rense.com/general96/deepspaceexmp4.html:

“We already have the means to travel among the stars but these technologies are locked up in Black Projects...and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”
- Ben Rich, Former Director Of Lockheed Skunkworks shortly before his passing

“We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars."
- Ben Rich, Former Director Of Lockheed Skunkworks shortly before his passing

Ben Rich was asked how UFO propulsion functioned. His reply was remarkable. “Let me ask you. How does ESP work?” The man asking the question of Mr Rich said - “All points in time and space are connected?” Ben Rich then replied, “That’s how it works!”

***

For the first time in history, you can read for yourself these stunning, never before seen, official secret scientific documents and papers from the early 1950s dealing with design, development and physics knowledge behind our most ultra classified technology.

Mr. Tompkins worked at the most classified and secret levels hidden away in secret think tanks at the Douglas Aircraft Company which would eventually be known as McDonnell Douglas Missiles and Space.

You can now read in the words of the scientists themselves about the research and development of what seemed like science fiction advanced propulsion systems for rockets and space vehicles ...ultimately to allow them to travel faster than the speed of light.

The truth of our most brilliant science, its origins and how these propulsion systems an technology came into existence, and then deployment, are being disclosed by Mr. Tompkins in order to bring the world into conformity with reality.

You are to read key parts of the story of how our most brilliant science achieved the abilities that Ben Rich mentioned in the quotes above. We also had 'outside help' in the field of propulsion physics as Mr. Rich alluded to when he also reportedly stated "There are 2 types of UFOs - the ones we build...and ones 'they' build. We have learned from both crash retrievals and actual hand-me-downs." He is also quoted as stating, "anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

We are not talking just of interplanetary travel but of inter-galactic travel. The contributions and revelations by Mr. Tompkins in his book, 'Selected By Extraterrestrials', and in the documents and papers that follow, are simply staggering reading...

An Essential Preface For These Historic Documents:
Preface (pdf) (http://rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPreface.pdf)
Advanced Propulsion Systems Documents from Douglas Aircraft Company Above Top Secret Think Tank
Santa Monica, CA - Circa 1955

Part 1 (pdf) (http://rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPropulsion1.pdf)
Part 2 (pdf) (http://rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPropulsion2.pdf)
Part 3 (pdf) (http://rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPropulsion3.pdf)
Part 4 (pdf) (http://rense.com/general96/DouglasDocsPropulsion4.pdf)

More Coming Soon As The UFO ET Disclosure Continues...

William Tompkins - UFO-ET Ultra Secret Spaceship Propulsion Physics Documents From The Early 1950s Released! - Hour 1 (http://rense2.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_113016_hr1.mp3)
William Tompkins - UFO-ET Ultra Secret Spaceship Propulsion Physics Documents From The Early 1950s Released! - Hour 2 (http://rense2.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_113016_hr2.mp3)
William Tompkins - UFO-ET Ultra Secret Spaceship Propulsion Physics Documents From The Early 1950s Released! - Hour 3 (http://rense2.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_113016_hr3.mp3)

Ewan

5th December 2016, 20:51

German Flying Machines:

https://vimeo.com/170247143

http://www.rense.com/general96/germdiscs2/GermanDiscWatching%20.jpg

There's something wrong with this picture.

Although we have no reference to distance of object from camera there are two things that stand out for me. Objects in the distance have faded edges, light blends in with them leaving no sharply contrasted edges. In the forground there is higher contrast and crisper imaging. In fact that is just like the view of any distant vista with the human eye. Further objects lack detail, edges not defined, almost misty, whilst the closer objects are clearly delineated.

We don't see that here in reference to the craft. There may have been a vehicle there, but if so it seems enhanced to make it stand out. Best case scenario for the vehicle to be real is it is halfway between viewers and the town, I still think it doesn't look right.

norman

11th December 2016, 00:52

Latest William Tompkins on the Rense Show:

Copyright 2016 Jeff Rense - All Rights Reserved
Links Encouraged

2016-12-09

http://rense2.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_120916_hr1.mp3

http://rense2.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_120916_hr2.mp3

http://rense2.gsradio.net/rense/special/rense_120916_hr3.mp3

norman

12th December 2016, 05:24

Mike Bara has a new book out called Hidden Agenda - NASA and the secret space program.

This is an interview with him on C2C.

MP3 - play or download
https://app.box.com/s/ggb6bshcq0xnidv5841ivbw24h3cn83x

Cidersomerset

15th December 2016, 21:37

Kerry has been saying for a while she was trying to set up an interview with Wm.Tompkins...

WILLIAM TOMPKINS: SELECTED BY EXTRATERRESTRIALS - PART ONE

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Published on 15 Dec 2016

PART ONE : William Mills Tompkins is one of the most important witnesses to come
forward revealing details about the Secret Space Program and human interactions
with ETs. He details the German alliances with Reptilians and Dracos, the infiltration
of NASA by these beings as well as the positive contribution by the Nordics to our
secret space program over decades since at least the 1920s and perhaps earlier.

This interview connects the dots on many topics discussed by Tompkins in other
interviews including the collaboration of our Navy with Nordics (and reptilians)
involving top aerospace companies such as Northrop, TRW, Boeing, Hughes,
and many others.

He discusses what really happened during the Battle of LA, the beginnings of MJ12,
how nearly all U.S. presidents have been ruled by Dracos and much much more....

==================================================
==================================================

MEANWHILE BACK AT NASA.....:cantina:

Astronomers discover exoplanet with ruby & sapphire clouds

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Published on 14 Dec 2016

NASA scientists have discovered a planet outside our solar system with ruby and sapphire clouds.
The planet’s surface reaches temperatures as high as 4,700 degrees Fahrenheit and is 1,000 light
years away from Earth. RT America’s Manila Chan has the report.

Cidersomerset

15th December 2016, 22:29

WILLIAM TOMPKINS: SELECTED BY EXTRATERRESTRIALS - PART TWO

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Published on 15 Dec 2016

PART TWO: William Mills Tompkins is one of the most important witnesses to come
forward revealing details about the Secret Space Program and human interactions
with ETs. He details the German alliances with Reptilians and Dracos, the infiltration
of NASA by these beings as well as the positive contribution by the Nordics to our
secret space program over decades since at least the 1920s and perhaps earlier.

This interview connects the dots on many topics discussed by Tompkins in other
interviews including the collaboration of our Navy with Nordics (and reptilians)
involving top aerospace companies such as Northrop, TRW, Boeing, Hughes,
and many others.

He discusses what really happened during the Battle of LA, the beginnings of MJ12,
how nearly all U.S. presidents have been ruled by Dracos and much much more....

KERRY CASSIDY
PROJECT CAMELOT
http://projectcamelotportal.com

norman

15th December 2016, 23:40

. . . . . A brain flash.

The Battle of Los Angeles in 1942. Was it the reptilians investigating where the navy spies were taking their info to?

norman

16th December 2016, 18:02

This is a reminder to anyone reading this thread in the future that a new William Tompkins thread has begun with the Project Camelot Kerry Cassidy interview, here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?94992-Project-Camelot-interviews-William-Tompkins-Selected-By-Extraterrestrials-Part-1&p=1120944#post1120944

Foxie Loxie

17th December 2016, 01:06

Thanks Cider!! Awesome!

norman

17th December 2016, 10:19

http://www.rense.com/general96/FOIAfiles/3BottaSignature.jpg

Dr Michael Sala talks to Jeff Rense [2016-12-16] about Bill Tompkins - James Forrestal - John F Kennedy ( as a younger man visiting post-surrender Germany to inspect top secret facilities with Forrestal ) [a very interesting story !]

MP3 - Play or Download
https://app.box.com/s/ms9cs4pe4zthi95temnu14351pvf78vw

http://68.media.tumblr.com/93ca53b16c4b444266680917281884db/tumblr_my730uogHy1redcw2o1_500.jpg

John F. Kennedy

http://www.criminalelement.com/images/stories/0013-08-Aug/James-Forrestal246x320.jpg
James Forrestal

ClandestineDisclosure

14th January 2017, 00:02

I'll try to answer some of your questions, based on the many hours of conversations I've had with Bill.

1. Is the US knowledge about the Nazi UFO´s the reason why US was happy that Wernher von Braun has defected to them? Difficult to say whether the US was 'happy'. Bill and Jeff Rense have discussed on Rense's Internet Radio show how the scientists were divided between Russia and USA.
What was his part in this in Germany? von Braun's history is well-known, I would think - V2 rockets. As to whether he was directly involved in the reptilian craft, Bill has never implied this.
What about his colleague Hermann Oberth? Bill knows of him; but, I've not heard Bill mention Hermann Oberth in any conversation we've had - meaning, I don't think Bill has any direct knowledge. I have mentioned Oberth to him before. I know that he wrote a book called Electric Spaceship, which I've been trying to locate. Bill speaks highly of Dr. Kurt H. Debus (NASA) and one other engineer that had worked at Douglas Aircraft - name escapes me, just now - first name also Kurt.

2. What is known about the Reptilian contact with the Nazi Regime? Bill's narrative is pretty clear on this question. US NAVY Operatives went to Nazi Germany and got into their various programs. These operative brought back forms of intelligence - photos; notes. They learned of the reptilians and their intent. Bill describes the Operatives being pretty upset and Admiral Rico Botta, who didn't know what to think of the data, calming them down.
When was it taken? I'm not tracking on this question.
What happened after WWII, did the Reptilians give up? Excellent question. Bill hasn't been asked the question in exactly the way you've phrased it; but, he says that we didn't win the war. They came over to the USA and continued their mission - JPL, NASA, etc. I'd like to know the current state of affairs with the Reptilians. I don't think they are at war with the Nordics; but, may still be leveraging control over humans.

3. Was it the Aldebaran civilization that allegedly sent telepathic messages to Maria Orsic? I'm not an expert on Maria Orsic and Bill has mentioned very little about her, except in the context of the operatives wanting to meet her. In my last video, I asked Bill about Maria and he mentioned something about her ship being sent to Area 51. That comment had me scratching my head; because, Maria went missing and the speculation is that she left he planet; and, Bill has talked about how her group was intent on building a space transport to get off the planet. Why? The reason is that Earth is unstable and there are better, safer, more stable planets on which to live that are not being controlled by the reptilians.
The Aldebarans is the Nordics, right? Same as Tompkins secretary? Does this imply some sort of rivality among the Nordics? I don't know about that. Bill has told me there are many different races out there. I've never heard him associate Aldebrans with Nordics.

4. Why would the Reptilians acknowledge the "cooperation" with the Nordics through the Vril society? I think you may have misunderstood something Bill said. From my conversations with him about the Vril, their technology was confiscated by the SS. When they discovered it was not the same as the technology being provided to them by the reptilians, it was returned. For me, I make a distinction between reptilians and the SS.
Or which race called the shots here in the first place? It seems that the Reptilians reached out to the Nazis.
Which alien race wanted which result? The reptilians wanted humans to construct / support the Reptilians mission to subjugate other star systems - very Darth Vader, don't you think?

4. Was the "hieroglyphs" used in the package documents Sumerian? I asked bill if the hieroglyphs were Egyptian; but, he didn't know. The point he continually makes is that the USA was getting data second-hand. He provided it to aircraft companies for them to perform R&D - to see if they could build one, under the understanding that more information would come in that could supplement information already provided.

5. Does this have anything to do with the German/international society Verein für Raumschiffahrt, which ended in 1934? This is the first I've heard of them. I don't recall Bill ever mentioning that society. He may know. I'd just have to ask.

6. Was the SS search expeditions under Himmler for holy artefacts a complement to the work of the UFO´s in a more mythological/ideological way? I've got nothing from Bill on that.

7. Is the "Blue people" mr Tompkins mentions also Nordics? No. They were just known as the Blue people. He wasn't the only one who saw them.

8. Does ANY of this has anything to do with the theory of the Council of Nines? I've got nothing from Bill on that.

I've recently posted a new video of Bill Tompkins. It's a very simple Q&A based on questions that others had sent in following my three-part series of interviews featuring both Dr. Robert Wood and William Tompkins. In time, I may be permitted to conduct another one of these sessions.

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Hope this helps.

Walter

Bill Ryan

14th January 2017, 00:21

Ewan

14th January 2017, 10:40

Bill Ryan

14th January 2017, 13:15

I'm not an expert on Maria Orsic and Bill has mentioned very little about her, except in the context of the operatives wanting to meet her. In my last video, I asked Bill about Maria and he mentioned something about her ship being sent to Area 51.

A quick (and maybe important) factual note: Area 51 did not exist at that time.

The site was devoid of buildings, or it wasn't called Area 51 then?

There was nothing there. What's now known as Groom Lake (later renamed Area 51 on maps) was picked out from the air in 1955 by Lockheed Skunk Works chief Kelly Johnson as the ideal site to test the U-2 spy plane in complete secrecy.

Johnson described (https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Eagles-Curtis-Peebles/dp/089141696X) the discovery of the dry lake:

We flew over it and within thirty seconds, you knew that was the place ... it was right by a dry lake. Man alive, we looked at that lake, and we all looked at each other. It was another Edwards, so we wheeled around, landed on that lake, taxied up to one end of it. It was a perfect natural landing field ... as smooth as a billiard table without anything being done to it". Johnson used a compass to lay out the direction of the first runway. The place was called "Groom Lake".

Builder

15th January 2017, 14:47

The Battle of Los Angeles in 1942. Was it the reptilians investigating where the navy spies were taking their info to?

Or the Nordics to alarm the US leadership about the presence of ETs. IIRC they didn't seem to attack anything, just show themselves in force and eat all the bullets.

ClandestineDisclosure

19th January 2017, 01:32

Star Tsar

19th January 2017, 01:38

Hey Walter can you address this for us please?

An update from Kerry regarding Mr Tompkins & a sheduled interview...

Published 18th January 2017

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onawah

19th January 2017, 02:54

Might part of Area 51 have been underground and therefore invisible from the air at that time, before there were buildings put on the surface?

Bill Ryan

19th January 2017, 02:57

Might part of Area 51 have been underground and therefore invisible from the air at that time, before there were buildings put on the surface?

No. :)

7alon

19th January 2017, 08:07

Bill Ryan

19th January 2017, 12:51

Might part of Area 51 have been underground and therefore invisible from the air at that time, before there were buildings put on the surface?

No. :)

Regarding Tompkins' story, what do you think correlates with other reliable stories? Why is he acting weird now?

He is acting weird, and it's an enigma.

I started reading his book (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-New-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower-William-Tompkins--now-92-yrs-&p=1096213#post1096213), and could not get past 100 pages. It's very disjointed, and all reads like scattered notes for a novel that an editor has tried his best to paste together. (I'm not saying that's what it was. Just a way to describe the feel and quality of it.)

Some of his claimed information I confess I just find impossible to believe. And recently, it seems to me, his presentations in interviews has shown signs of responding to an interviewer's question with "Ah, yes, I know about that, too," and then taking off on a flight of fancy, talking about material he never mentioned before at all.

But that may be unkind, and because I've not heard all his recent interviews, may also not be accurate or fair. But my [provisional, careful] summary is that at the moment I do not feel we can take all his information at face value.

7alon

19th January 2017, 13:55

Cidersomerset

19th January 2017, 19:12

Money ? Kerry seems to think Bill is short of cash which is unfortunate and is
always a worry in disclosure for me for obvious reasons. Yet everyone needs
to eat and pay the bills. This just seemed odd at 93 with his career uhm !.....
then Kerry starts a discussion about related topics.....I think as Kerry touches
on there are other reasons for the cancelation ie her direct questioning. Most
of the vid is a Q & A with the chat.

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LIVE SHOW TONIGHT !!! TOMPKINS: SECRET SPACE SUDDEN CANCELLATION!!!

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Streamed live 16 hours ago

GOING LIVE TONIGHT FOR Q&A at 7pm PT join us! RE TOMPIKNS & THE EFFORTS
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UPDATE AS OF WEDNESDAY 1PM PT: THIS SHOW HAS BEEN CANCELLED
SUDDENLY BY WILLIAM TOMPKINS WITH NO REASON GIVEN. I HAVE NOW BEEN
TOLD HE WILL NO LONGER TAKE MY CALLS AND WHEN I TRIED CALLING TO
SPEAK TO HIM HE HUNG UP ON ME!! WHO GOT TO THIS WHISTLEBLOWER???
WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF?

The TV series worth seeing about Time Travel is called TRAVELERS on Netflix.
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I will be talking with premiere disclosure witness, William Tompkins, aerospace
engineer and author of SELECTED BY EXTRATERRESTRIALS all about the Nordic and
Reptilian involvement in building the secret space program, the nature of the
predatory reptilian species, the roots of pedophilia and satanic rituals, the quiet
coup and the people taking back their power in the U.S.

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norman

19th January 2017, 21:45

Cidersomerset

6th February 2017, 22:18

I stumbled on this episode and they are discussing Ant Artica...
Cliff talks about 42,000 Ukranian women taken to Ant Artica
during WW11 and other related topics and some forecasts ...

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Published on 30 Jan 2017

norman

7th February 2017, 00:43

RobPotter-WilliamTompkinsInterview-Part1 on 02-06-2017 (https://www.mixcloud.com/PyramidOne/robpotter-williamtompkinsinterview-part1-on-02-09-2017/)

https://www.mixcloud.com/PyramidOne/robpotter-williamtompkinsinterview-part1-on-02-09-2017/?utm_campaign=notification_new_upload&play=notification_new_upload&utm_medium=email&utm_source=notification&utm_content=html

Download MP3 here: http://tindeck.com/listen/prktn
Rob Potter and William Tompkins Interview-Part1 on 02-09-2017
William Mills Tompkins is one of the most important witnesses to come forward revealing details about the Secret Space Program and human interactions with ETs. He details the German alliances with Reptilians and Dracos, the infiltration of NASA by these beings as well as the positive contribution by the Nordics to our secret space program over decades since at least the 1920s and perhaps earlier.
Other Interviews with William Tompkins
http://prepareforchange.net/2017/01/1... (http://prepareforchange.net/2017/01/16/william-tompkins-selected-by-extraterrestrials/)

Foxie Loxie

7th February 2017, 18:50

Hey Cider! Thanks for the Clif High post....amazing stuff!! :clapping: Kind of hard to wrap one's head around it all! :o

ClandestineDisclosure

8th February 2017, 23:53

His publisher could well have told him there's no more books, unless he shuts up. What else can he put in a book that he hasn't already said for free in one interview or another. If I was a publisher, I wouldn't bother with any more of his story. The first book probably hasn't sold a lot either. It's not the sort of thing that can easily be both a book and an internet sensation.

His book was independently published through CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform with the help of Dr. Robert Wood. I asked Dr. Wood whether anybody from the Military or a government agency looked at it before printing. The answer was, "No". No one reviewed his manuscript for sensitive classified content; so, nobody controls what Bill publishes, except Bill.

The thing I find unusual about all of this is that my late grandfather, who was a US NAVY Field Intelligence Operative during WWII; retired as a Captain after 32 years of service; didn't get recognized for his c.1941 efforts during the war until the early 1980's when he received the USN Bronze Star for having predicting the Japanese thrust into the Coral Sea and against Midway Island several weeks before it occurred. He couldn't publish ANYTHING without it first being cleared by the Military. The books he's written and published were sanitized. His manuscripts came back redacted; so, I have to wonder, if Bill's narratives are true, why are the rules so lax and different for him? Perhaps it has something to do with the nature of the content - nobody believes it; so, there's no real or perceived risk of exposure?

Here's another example: My late grandfather's career debrief or Oral History interview by the NSA on February 11, 1983 (https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/oral-history-interviews/assets/files/nsa-OH-05-83-whitlock.pdf) has recently been released; and, still today, it contains redacted bits of information; so, again I don't understand how Bill is immune from scrutiny. (By the way, read that history...you'll learn about WWII activities ignored by the history books - like the fine details of what transpired on Corregidor.) It seems the only filter preventing Bill from divulging information is his sensibility to protect bits of data that he perceives as secret or may be of national security interest - and, if he divulges any of it, doing so may violate his security clearance.

I've also asked Dr. Wood specifically who is giving Bill the go-ahead to talk. Other than the one Admiral mentioned on the back cover of Bill's book -- Admiral Hugh Webster, Navy League Corporate Director, Washington D.C and San Diego -- he didn't know and Bill Isn't saying...nor has he described his working relationship with Admiral Webster. Does Webster have authority to allow Bill to "TELL IT ALL"? We don't know.

Builder

9th February 2017, 14:46

Cidersomerset

9th February 2017, 21:34

I was a little surprised to see Greg Hunter tackle this subject although he has
had Cliff High on before and he does know some alternate theories as the
interview goes on.....

Steve Quayle-There Is Advanced Alien Technology Buried in Antarctica

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Published on 21 Jan 2017

Author Steve Quayle contends, “Black physics is beyond the PhD level, and we are
seeing this with CERN (European Council for Nuclear Research). What is so critical
for people to understand is, as more activity takes place at CERN, the occult rituals
associated with it are so in your face you can’t dismiss this stuff anymore as being
the ranting's of this fringe or that fringe. Something is happening, and the Antarctic
is critical. It’s my contention that because of the advanced technology of the Third
Reich . . . that they went under the ice, so to speak, and came into contact with
beings, sentient beings that Wernher von Braun and others have made reference to
many times before they passed away. So, all this is a matter of record. When you
put all the records together, it points to this: There is some entity or group of entities
that are thinking and have advanced technology and, basically, give orders to the
religious and political leaders of our day.”

The history of the world is not what it is. It is what the powers that be pretend it to
be. For the record, all of the world’s leaders never believed that Hitler died in the bunker.”

Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with Steve Quayle, author of “Empire Beneath the Ice.”

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Empire Beneath The Ice - How The Nazis Won The War - Trailer

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martybeck

11th February 2017, 06:48

I checked out the church in Woodland Hills called St. Mels and it had a long serving priest named O'Connor. He mentioned it in his book. That checks out. The Nordic reasoning is not rational if in fact they have interviewed on earth. They could have brought the name to start with.

A submarine with anti-gravity could make it at least 6 months without new supplies.

Bill Ryan

11th February 2017, 10:56

A submarine with anti-gravity

Well, that's a new concept !
Did Tompkins mention this? Hard to believe that if he did. A submarine uses gravity to sink... that's the whole idea. :)

Ah, edit to add. (I had to go look that up (https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/the-amazing-story-continues-part1.html))

From the Jeff Rense interview on 4 May, 2016:

Tompkins: And at Douglas, in the secret think tank, we were looking at every type of space vehicle we would need to go out into the galaxy, then our U.S. Navy. So submarines came up and we discussed this. We said, “That's the easiest thing, the quickest way, we can get out there. We'll just take a regular Navy submarine, pull out the whole nuclear system, put in the anti-gravitational system, and we're going to use these right away.”
Rense: So this was in the 1950s.
Tompkins: Yes.
Rense: All right. This is... I was going to ask about propulsion, so we were given or otherwise back engineered anti-gravitational propulsion systems, which went into the actual submarine that was being built. Very simple conversion actually. Very smart.

These kinds of silly statements are very problematic. If any engineer reading this can't see that's nonsense, there's not much I can say.

DNA

11th February 2017, 12:40

Bill Ryan

11th February 2017, 12:53

A submarine with anti-gravity

Well, that's a new concept !
Did Tompkins mention this? Hard to believe that if he did. A submarine uses gravity to sink... that's the whole idea. :)

Sink in water, but I'm sure we are talking about space. Right?
So if we took a submarine, added a few specializing agents to the hull, put a small booster rocket on it because, well it wouldn't weigh anything due to the antigravity device, then blast the thing into space, bam a spaceship. And a submarine is made with the idea that folks are going to need to be protected in a vessel that is air tight. This is basically the design for the cigar shaped ships we see.

Submarines are designed to be watertight with a high external pressure gradient... not the other way around!

Considering the cost and engineering detail of refitting a submarine for space flight (assuming this was possible), I'd be confident the better solution would be to start from scratch... much easier, faster, cheaper and safer.

A rough analogy might be converting the car you drive into a boat. Sure, it could possibly be done.... but, wait a minute: actually, it's much easier just to build a boat. :)

Builder

12th February 2017, 19:37

Considering the cost and engineering detail of refitting a submarine for space flight (assuming this was possible), I'd be confident the better solution would be to start from scratch... much easier, faster, cheaper and safer.

Exactly! It may sound like a good idea to a layman, but if you do some educated thinking as an engineer it rings all BS alarm bells!

Longjohn

14th February 2017, 07:28

Hello All,

I'm sorry, guys, but I respectfully disagree with what you are saying about submarines. If you build something like that to cope with enormous subsea pressures (up to 50 times atmospheric pressure), then it will jolly well withstand the absence of pressure in space (which is effectively minus 1 atmosphere compared to that at sea level).

A typical nuclear submarine (e.g., American Seawolf class) can dive up to 500m depth, which is equivalent to 50 atmospheres (50 Bar) of pressure, with only 1 Bar inside the hull (for the crew, naturally). The collapse pressure will be specified at, say, 50% above this, which will be 75 Bar. A WWII German U-boat had a collapse pressure of 20 to 28 Bar.

To withstand such high external pressures, you basically design a sub like a reinforced cylinder. That same cylinder will easily support one atmosphere inside with zero pressure outside.

Once you have plugged all the likely air-leak points, dealing with an internal pressure of 1 atmosphere in the vacuum of space is pretty simple compared to handling massive sub-sea pressures. Just look at how flimsy and lightweight the Apollo spacecraft modules were in comparison to a submarine!

Once you've got over the intellectual leap (and I grant you, this is a big one) of replacing a nuclear power plant with an anti-gravity drive, then you can see that a (somewhat modified) submarine would make an excellent space-vehicle.

One thing I really like about Tompkins is the way he thinks like an engineer. An inspired engineer is one who thinks and does things that challenge our sensibilities. Nicola Tesla still does this to us a century later. To take more recent instances, look at the work of Podkletnov on gravity shielding or that of Kosyrev on torsional waves.

On reading Tompkins' book, I had several 'Eureka' moments that really made sense. One of these was this idea of submarines being the first motherships. Another was when one of the Nordic ladies said to him, 'In order to survive in space, you have got to live a lot longer'. Hence the concept of longevity pills...

Just to close, I offer you some (vaguely amusing) references on converting a submarine into a spaceship:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-the-reactionless-space-drive-could-send-nuclear-sub-1493423673

http://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/23521/would-a-submarine-make-a-great-spaceship

From this last one, I quote:

"Okay, hold on. Let the actual submariners weigh in.

I spent 8 years of my life in the Unites States Navy aboard Los Angeles Class submarines as a Nuclear Electricians Mate. I have a background in engineering and radiological controls as a result. Please treat this as an extended comment - the answer as given is, in fact, no. But there are number of misconceptions that you guys are flailing around.

I can unequivocally and without a doubt say that it would not explode. The air would leak out from around the shaft that makes the screw go around, but you'd likely weld that shut before spending several billion dollars flying something that heavy that high. You'd also have to seal a few cable ways but sonar doesn't work in space, so no big loss."

Enough said...

ClandestineDisclosure

14th February 2017, 20:15

Does Webster have authority to allow Bill to "TELL IT ALL"? We don't know.

You make a lot of assumptions about official classifications, structure and reviews processes. I have the impression that his disclosure is managed outside of official structures where all those assumption don't apply.

A book does not need an official review if anything digital can be accessed by the NSA and Co.

Bill doesn't not need an official clearance for what he is saying if the people who control such clearances tell him that nothing will happen to him if he tells the right things.

My assumptions about what you call 'official classifications', structure and review processes are based on real life experiences. Have you ever had a clearance? I have, for most of my life...and I can tell you right now that there are specific rules for safeguarding information.

"...if he tells the right things", you say? Who's to know whether Bill is complying with his security clearance, if there's no review of his manuscripts prior to printing the book? Where are the administrative checks? For Bills' book, there weren't any.

Let's go down that path of SECURITY CLEARANCES and review processes, again. As I stated above, my late grandfather (US NAVY retired, Captain, cryptologist, Field Intelligence Operative), well after retirement, wrote books which were subject scrutiny by the NSA; because, his clearance still applied. Even though you're out of a role, secrecy rules still apply. I got the brief on this when I completed my tour of duty.

Bill claims to have a SECURITY CLEARANCE, stating that there are certain things that he cannot talk about; because, if he did, he would lose his clearance -- his words...not mine...and I talk to him periodically...at his house over coffee and cookies, so that's how I know. Also, given what my family has personally witnessed, where my late grandfather (who worked with Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, by the way - the same Admiral mentioned by Bill in his book - and the same Admiral my father recently talked to over the phone about my late grandfather's work and Bill Tompkins; and, Inman had nothing to say about Bill) had to submit his manuscripts to the NSA and where the manuscripts were returned after review redacted, I don't think it's a leap to wonder why Bill (given his security clearance, whatever that clearance may be) would be exempt from having his book manuscripts reviewed by the NSA or the NAVY for possible breaches in security, or at a minimum, reviewed to ensure Bill is revealing no more than he should. Again, remember, this is Bill saying he can't talk about certain things; so, I don't think it's logical to assume that the extraordinary nature of the content secures itself due to the public's non-belief. That dog don't hunt.

I've asked Dr. Wood: Was the manuscript reviewed prior to printing? He said no. There's no one reviewing it. They simply published Bill's book independently. Something is off. Here's the process they followed: Over a period of about ten years, Bill wrote a set of anecdotes - memories - and ultimately provided his rough written materials to Dr. Robert Wood and his folks, who assembled and edited SELECTED BY EXTRATERRESTRIALS; and then, Dr. Wood sent the completed manuscript to an independent publisher for printing. Nobody of authority looked at it prior to printing.

My assumptions about security clearances are founded in realty; and, while I remain open-minded, I still have questions.

Builder

15th February 2017, 09:08

Have you ever had a clearance?

No. I just got to work as engineer on a "soldier of the future" program. Strangely without any clearance, I didn't even have an interview for the position, they just "booked" me breaking all the internal rules so that a young guy without any formal education in this field could tell the PhDs how to build their stuff. Quit some similarities with how Bill got selected, except that there were no "out of this world" components. Just getting very creative on how to build futuristic prototypes with current state of the art electronics.

norman

18th February 2017, 04:02

Here's a UFO TV presentation based on the William Tompkins testimony:

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Cidersomerset

23rd February 2017, 13:44

Ep. 612 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Dr. Michael Salla : Exopolitics and Antarctica : LIVE

Interview starts aprox 33 mins as usual and they discuss Antartica and Bill Tomkins
around the hour mark....

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Published on 22 Feb 2017
Dr. Michael E. Salla, is a pioneer in the development of ‘Exopolitics’, the political study
of the key actors, institutions and processes associated with extraterrestrial life. His
interest in exopolitics evolved out of his investigation of the sources of international
conflict and its relationship to an extraterrestrial presence that is not acknowledged
to the general public, elected officials or even senior military officials.

Dr Salla’s groundbreaking Exopolitics: Political Implications of the Extraterrestrial
Presence was the first published book on exopolitics and explained the political
implications of extraterrestrial life.

His other works include: In Exposing U.S. Government Policies on Extraterrestrial
Life, Galactic Diplomacy: Getting to Yes with ET, Kennedy’s Last Stand: Eisenhower,
UFOs, MJ-12 & JFK’s Assassination and Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs and
Extraterrestrial Alliances...

Dr Salla’s forthcoming book is the US Navy’s Secret Space Program and Nordic Extraterrestrial Alliance, due out in 2017.

Air date: February 21, 2017

Cidersomerset

23rd February 2017, 14:44

A lot of these subjects are connected and many factors have to come into account
before mainstream disclosure. We can all argue either way whether this info is
true or BS or somewhere in between , But I certainly feel something has been
growing all my life being born in the 1960's and exposed to both science and
science fiction which has been intertwined imo. The Scientists in the NASA press
conference seemed more excited than usual and one even said we will find
life by the end of this decade or the next when commenting so who knows ...

NASA full press conference on discovery of 7 Earth-like exoplanets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB4acbZyFBw

Part of a post from the NASA announcement yesterday....

As David Icke has been saying for many years that he saw 2016/7/8 as possible
pivotal years we have been seeing this politically and even in sport how about
disclosure ???

Certainly I cannot remember scientists being this optimistic in these NASA press
releases on Exo planets....I'm talking mainstream of course not the secret space
programme we speculated have existed for decades......

These planets are so far away that its all speculation but does give them a good PR
to the public and a funding renewal . Though one other significant thing is the stars
a Dwarf Sun and is very common in the universe so they insinuated there could be
many more earth like planets and of course some could be much closer....

" Finding a second Earth is not a matter of if but when"

read more...
NASA to Host News Conference on Discovery Beyond Our Solar System
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?96184-NASA-to-Host-News-Conference-on-Discovery-Beyond-Our-Solar-System&p=1136159&viewfull=1#post1136159

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2018 scheduled launch date for more powerfull Exo Planet hunter...

James Webb: Hubble successor maintains course

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/13A53/production/_84576408_jwst_labelled_624in.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35403361

Cidersomerset

4th March 2017, 21:56

Antarctica Disclosure to Save the World - Dr. Michael Salla .....Nordics & Reptilians
Trump seems to know more than you think from some of his comments and his
cabinet and increasing mil budgets......

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Published on 18 Feb 2017

What is under the ice of Antarctica? Top Nazi war criminals, Rudolf Hess and
Hermann Goering visited Antarctica. Admiral Byrd flew to the Inner Earth in
Antarctica. The Patriarch Kirill of Moscow was there a year ago. Skull and
Bones member and Secretary of State, John Kerry, made a surprise trip to
Antarctica during Trump's election. And, Buzz Aldrin, the Freemason that
established Tranquility Lodge 2000 on the moon, fell ill after his recent
trip to Antarctica.

Leslie Stevens created the 1970's epic, Battlestar Galactica stating, "All of
this has happened before, and all of this will happen again." Will the release
of classified DARPA technologies enslave or free humanity? Will Donald
Trump cure cancer!? Could we have saved Richard Hatch? If you remember,
pretending to be his character, Apollo, in my youth, revealed to me my
father's secret connections to Freemasonry, submarines, and even, chasing
flying saucers! You will be missed Richard.

Whistleblowers are exploding our concepts of history. Is there an ancient advanced
civilization under the glaciers of the South Pole? Has extraterrestrial technology
created a divide in the military branches? Who controls space?
http://freemantv.com/antarctica-discl...

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Freeman says look up 'Space Battlelab's I don't know if this is genuine ? Its pretty
comprehensive .....

http://www.globalsecurity.org/images/global-security.gif

The Air Force Space Battlelab, Headquarters, Space Warfare Center, is located at
Schriever Air Force Base, CO.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/agency/images/swc-sb.gif

The Space Battlelab is one of six units activated in July 1997 to identify innovative
operational and logistics concepts and rapidly measure their potential to advance
the Air Force's core competencies. The Space Battlelab focuses on air and space
superiority, but also works closely with other Air Force Battlelabs

read more..
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/agency/swc-sb.htm

norman

4th March 2017, 22:07

Rob Potter interviews William Tompkins on Pyramid One Network Radio:

https://thumbnailer.mixcloud.com/unsafe/300x300/extaudio/f/f/0/f/12b7-c928-4e70-9404-a1988ae40a8c

Part 1:

https://www.mixcloud.com/PyramidOne/robpotter-williamtompkinsinterview-part1-on-02-09-2017/

Part 2:

https://www.mixcloud.com/PyramidOne/robpotter-william-tompkins-interview-part2-02-20-2017/

Part 3:

https://www.mixcloud.com/PyramidOne/robpotter-williamtompkinsinterview-part3-03-02-2017/

Cidersomerset

4th March 2017, 22:36

I think i posted part 1 earlier in the thread , and is where science & Science fiction
is difficult to tell apart unless you have connected the dots from other researchers
and it becomes more plausible in parts .....

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David Wilcock | Corey Goode: Endgame II-- The Antarctic Atlantis ET Ruins/ Cabal Rescue Plan

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Published on 14 Dec 2016

Join David Wilcock (http://dwilcock.com) as he narrates this groundbreaking
insider mega-leak of intel with Corey Goode (spherebeingalliance.com). The
Establishment is threatened like never before. Are they about to disclose
advanced, hi-tech ruins under the ice in Antarctica, and a limited secret
space program, to try to save the Illuminati / New World Order agenda?

The realities of human trafficking and occult ceremonies at the highest levels
are spreading like wildfire. Disclosure may be the only sufficiently distracting
move the Cabal has left.

This is some of the most surprising, fascinating and relevant inside intel we
have ever posted. Multiple Alliance groups have urged us to get this out as
fast as possible, and here we are.

The story is so incredible that you may need to just treat it like a sci-fi movie
... but even if that's the only level you can accept it at, you should still find
this to be most fascinating! It is a great overview of the Cosmic Disclosure
narrative and an update to the most current inside information.

The mainstream media almost immediately started writing about ancient
civilizations in Antarctica after we were urged to get out this update. Never
before have we seen such an immediate correlation. This is getting exciting!

Read the stunning investigation in its full form at: http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/da...

Cidersomerset

13th March 2017, 21:42

Linda Moulton-Howe Earth Files....

Hidden in Antartica a Naval Officer tells us Exactly What He Saw , he mentions
the Bill Tomkins interview with Linda.

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Published on 2 Mar 2017

A truly shocking and astonishing video on extremely strange events in the Antarctic.
A naval officer tells us what he remembers, including seeing a huge opening in the
ice in a no-fly area they were crossing with a medical emergency on board. Then
he ferried a group of scientists who had disappeared for two weeks, and has
specifically been warned not to refer again to this subject. As he put it, "they
looked scared." When they returned to McMurdo, their gear was isolated and they
were flown back to Christchurch, New Zealand in a special plane.

He discusses what he saw and experienced in detail. This is the most provocative
story about what is going on in Antarctica ever presented anywhere.

Cidersomerset

13th March 2017, 22:48

Ancient Technology in Antartica Joseph P. Farrell Special

Dreamland with Whitley...

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From around the end of 2016 , its after Trumps victory but
before his inauguration....Talks about Antarctica , Trump ,
9/ 11 , Nazi and related topics....

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Interesting articles...

RUETERS....

Hunters slay 3,500 reindeer on island near Antarctica

Environment | Mon Mar 18, 2013

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-reindeer-idUSBRE92H0SA20130318

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgGNo7Pv4u0

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Rare Look Inside Antarctic Explorers’ Huts | National Geographic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cTTaGEnRfI

Published on 16 Feb 2015
After 10 years of conservation efforts, the huts that once housed the likes
of Robert Falcon Scott and Ernest Shackleton are ready for a new generation.

Cidersomerset

17th March 2017, 20:33

Interview starts approx 33 mins in.....She is on for an hour.

Ep. 625 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Linda Moulton Howe : Antarctica Revelations : LIVE

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Published on 16 Mar 2017
Linda Moulton Howe is a graduate of Stanford University with a Master’s
Degree in Communication. She has devoted her documentary film, television,
radio, writing and reporting career to productions concerning science, medicine
and the environment. Ms. Howe has received local, national and international
awards, including three regional Emmys, a national Emmy nomination and a
Station Peabody award.

Linda produces reports and edits Earthfiles.com, has her own radio program
with John Burroughs on KGRA, appears on Coast to Coast AM, Ancient Aliens
since it’s first season…and has traveled in Venezuela, Peru, Brazil, England,
Norway, France, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Yugoslavia, Turkey, Ethiopia,
Kenya, Egypt, Australia, Japan, Canada, Mexico, the Yucatan and Puerto Rico
for research and productions.

In addition to all of her research on Earthfiles... Linda now has a new series
on Gaia called Truth Hunters...

Tonight we discuss the recent revelations in Antarctica and later in the show
Jimmy covers Cicada 3301 and the Mojave Phone Booth.

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Linda talks about this in above vid.....

Confirmation of Corey Goode’s Testimony about Antarctica & Underground E.T Bases?

https://ascendingstarseed.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/b0dc5-antarcticacorrectedcroppedmapzz.jpg

https://ascendingstarseed.wordpress.com/2016/09/19/confirmation-of-corey-goodes-testimony-about-antarctica-underground-e-t-bases/

Cidersomerset

18th March 2017, 13:26

Secrets of Antarctica: Alien Bases, Pyramids and the True Shape of the Earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REKDPtY2qxk

Published on 15 Jan 2017
Secrets of Antarctica: Underground Bases, Pyramids and the True Shape of the Earth

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semi related articles from mainstream ....

http://static.bbci.co.uk/frameworks/barlesque/3.20.5/orb/4/img/bbc-blocks-dark.png

Short vid on link....http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39314068

Buzz Aldrin launches VR plan to get humans to Mars

Buzz Aldrin, the second man to set foot on the Moon, has launched
a virtual reality movie detailing his plan to get humans to Mars.
The film - Cycling Pathways to Mars - lasts just under 10 minutes
and features the astronaut as a hologram narrating the experience.

Dave Lee interviewed him for the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39314068

Behind the Scenes: "Buzz Aldrin: Cycling Pathways to Mars" VR Experience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bff_YHdVYM

Published on 13 Mar 2017
Buzz Aldrin is an American astronaut best known for piloting the Lunar
Module on the Apollo 11 mission in 1969, and the second person to set
foot on the moon. While it was a historic achievement, Dr. Aldrin wants
to be remembered for more than just "kicking up moon dust." He wants
his legacy to include laying the groundwork for a permanent human
settlement on Mars, and he has a plan. This world’s first holographic
‘archival VR’ project, created by 8i, will give viewers a unique
opportunity to ‘meet’ the astronaut through his hologram today, and
will give future generations a chance to experience his legacy, long
after mankind has made the journey to Mars.

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Buzz Aldrin Talks South Pole Health Scare, Death Of ‘All-American
Guy’ John Glenn | TODAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUIxHVzmKvU

Published on 14 Dec 2016
In an exclusive interview, Buzz Aldrin, 86, tells TODAY’s Al Roker about
his visit to the South Pole and the health scare that cut it short. While
hospitalized, Aldrin learned of the death of his friend and fellow astronaut
John Glenn, whom he remembers as an “all-American guy.”

Cidersomerset

21st March 2017, 13:47

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By WakingTimes March 19, 2017

http://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Nazi-UFO.jpg

The Whistleblower Who Exposes Government Extraterrestrial Connections

Makia Freeman, Contributor
Waking Times

William Tompkins is one of the most incredible whistleblowers to step forward.
The depth and implications of his testimony are nothing short of astounding.
Of course, there will always be those who refuse to believe his story, since he
is an ET (Extraterrestrial) whistleblower.

read more...

http://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/maria-orsic-201x300.jpg
Maria Orsic of the Thule Society.

http://www.wakingtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/reptilian-patch.png
Another US military patch featuring the reptile theme and a Latin motto. Rough
translation: “With all your bases, you’re a slave to us.”

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/03/19/whistleblower-exposes-government-extraterrestrial-connections/

Cidersomerset

21st March 2017, 16:08

interesting...

President Trump Signs S. 442 . NASA Deep Space exploration.

9HzadC1imjQ

Published on 21 Mar 2017

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From todays Davids channel posted for interest....

Archons, Gnosticism & The Reptilian Agenda - David Icke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxP86-T8jBo

Published on 21 Mar 2017

Cidersomerset

21st March 2017, 21:59

Interview starts approx 33mins and around 50th min he mentions possible
NAZI basis in the Artic in passing and more incidents in the former USSR
and Russia.....They also talk about Melvedev's Alien comments.

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev Says Aliens Have Visited
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d8NGCUNb6U

Ep. 627 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Paul Stonehill : UFOs in Russia

EXIS2W_N7Aw

Published on 21 Mar 2017
Paul Stonehill was born in Kiev, USSR, in 1959 and emigrated to the U.S. in 1972.
In his youth, Paul helped smuggle people out from behind the iron curtain, aided
dissidents, and smuggled banned literature into the USSR. He graduated from
California State University with a BA in Political Science and wrote a thesis on the
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Paul has worked as journalist covering warfare as
well as freelancing on stories about UFO and Anomalous Phenomena. In October of
1993, OMNI Magazine featured a story about Paul’s work, and the Russian Ufology
Research Center, which he created back in 1991.

The topics of his published writing include: Soviet and Russian military research of
paranormal phenomena, underwater unidentified phenomena, mysteries of the Soviet
space program, mysteries of ancient history, Time Travel experiments in Russia, ghost
trains of Eurasia, Soviet mind control programs, and UFO phenomena in Russia, Ukraine,
and the Baltics.

Tonight we will discuss Ancient Astronauts of Eurasia, the Russian space program and
UFOs and Russian military research of UFOs and USOs from the secret files of the Soviet
Union and Russia as well as his latest research into the Mariana Trench.

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New Mystery of Dyatlov Pass: Body found at site of unexplained tragedy of 1959

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_inSUeZClFY

Published on 12 Jan 2016
A body has been discovered by tourists at the infamous Dyatlov Pass in Russia’s
Ural Mountains where nine hikers mysteriously died in 1959. Emergency services
have reportedly momentarily lost contact with the group.

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UFOS OF THE RUSSIAN ARCTIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N4cZB2xPyk
Published on 3 Feb 2017
UFOs of the Russian Arctic: remote and forbidden territories attract uninvited
visitors. Are they extraterrestrials? What do they seek in the land of ice and
permafrost? Why do they invade Russian skies?
Published on 28 Jan 2017

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UFOS OF THE RUSSIAN ANTARCTICA PART 1 ( 13 mins)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YicDPMZo-7s
Published on 27 Jan 2017
Fascinating reports from the annals of the secret history of the encounters in
Antarctica during the Soviet period.

UFOS OF THE RUSSIAN ANTARCTICA PART 2 ( 6.45 mins )...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um9uOTBmdW4
Unidentified submerged objects in the Antarctic waters: reports of the KGB from
1985. And pages of the classified history: Russian UFO Antarctic encounters in 1947.

Cidersomerset

25th March 2017, 20:47

Ep. 629 FADE to BLACK Jimmy Church w/ Mike Bara : Mars Images Update : LIVE

https://jimmychurchradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Mike-Bara-SM-247x300.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piYICWqXxLw

Published on 23 Mar 2017

Mike Bara is a New York Times Bestselling author, lecturer and TV personality. He began his writing
career after spending more than 25 years as an engineering consultant for major aerospace companies,
where he was a card-carrying member of the Military/Industrial complex. A self-described “Born Again
conspiracy theorist,” Mike’s first book Dark Mission-The Secret History of NASA (co-authored with
Richard C. Hoagland) was a New York Times bestseller in 2007. His 2nd book, The Choice, was
published in 2010.In 2012, Mike published Ancient Aliens on the Moon from Adventures Unlimited Press.
In 2013, Mike returned with Ancient Aliens on Mars, a new book from Adventures Unlimited Press which
will look at the hidden history of Mars and the vast, ancient civilization which once flourished there.

His latest books are: Ancient Aliens and Secret Societies and Hidden Agenda: NASA and the Secret Space Program.

Mike is a regular contributor to the History Channel's Ancient Aliens.

All of the images discussed in this broadcast can be found on the Mike Bara page at http://jimmychurchradio.com/mike-bara...

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Mike Bara On Fade To Black
March 22nd 2017

images on link press gallery ....http://jimmychurchradio.com/mike-bara-on-fade-to-black-4/

Bill Ryan

16th April 2017, 13:21

At the end of this outstanding recent Australian presentation by Richard Dolan — which I cannot recommend too highly — Richard was asked his opinion about Bill Tompkins. His reply is revealing, and can be heard at 3:52:35. (My view is the same as his, btw.)

Transcript:

As far as Bill Tompkins and Corey Goode, I’ll just say, hopefully without making enemies, I’m not really on board with either of those scenarios.

I did have the opportunity to read Bill Tompkins’ text. I was offered the opportunity to publish it, which I declined. So if you ever wonder if I’m just out for the money, you’ll know that I'm not, because I could have made good money on that book. It’s selling quite well.

But I could not EVER, in good conscience, publish that book. I just find way too much that’s questionable about it, and I would not EVER want to associate my name with it.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t believe there’s a secret space program. As I’ve said, I do believe in one. I just don’t believe in his. There are too many historical inaccuracies and anomalies to bother going into.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4

DNA

16th April 2017, 15:23

In connection to Germans, the Vrill Society and Nazis flying in saucers I ran across this document, I have no idea if it is real or not but the images provoked are entertaining regardless.

http://blog.starwreck.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nazi_ufo_proof.jpg

Bayareamom

1st May 2017, 19:55

My one issue w/SOME (if not most) of the researchers with all of this, is (as an example) what Rich Dolan stated during his conference in Australia. I did view that entire lecture. It was very good, w/one caveat (for me at any rate). When Richard responded to a question about both Corey and Bill Tompkins, if memory serves, he stated he had issues w/both these alleged whistle-blowers. Rich did not get into any specifics as to either one of these men and their stories. He simply stated he could not validate either one of them. He stated he would not publish Tompkins' book; stated he wouldn't touch it.

But here's the thing: WHY. Rich stated there were just too many issues w/Tompkins' story to get 'into' during that lecture. I take issue w/that. If he's going to state, on the record, before a number of people, that he cannot validate Tompkins' story, then he at least owes his listening audience a few examples as to WHY. He doesn't need to go into a diatribe about some of that, but at least give a modicum of reasons as to why he has issues w/Tompkins' story.

Bill Ryan did the same thing. Again, if memory serves, Bill stated that he, too, had issues with Tompkins' story, but that there were too many issues w/Tompkins' timeline (which is what Richard stated) to get into here, at this forum. The least that should be done is if you're going to essentially disparage someone's testimony, at least explain why you feel the way you do.

From what I understand from Bob Wood's statements regarding Tompkins, Bob states unequivocally that Tompkins worked at the same corporation that Bob did at one point, so he can at least verify some of Tompkins' work history. But there's another whistle-blower by the name of Mark Richards who has, to my knowledge, absolutely no verified documentation as to ANY of his story to back up his claims re participation in the Secret Space program. He has nothing to back up his claims. But yet, because he's willing to go PUBLIC w/his story, for some reason, he's now being touted as a bona fide whistle-blower.

I realize researchers need to keep themselves constantly evolving; they need fresh material to keep up w/his/her status quo. But I would contend that any true insider will never, ever be able to go public, for various reasons.

So this issue w/proper vetting bothers me, not so much on a personal level, but because there are so many gullible people out there who will believe ANYTHING anyone says, simply because said whistle-blower has been vouched for by certain researchers. I would maintain that an open mind w/any and all of this stuff, is vital, but along w/that open mind is the willingness to perform due diligence as much as possible, about anyone's story that's put out there. That takes time and can get quite tedious, but it must be done. Using a combination of one's intuition, common sense, logic and good analytical skills, are key to discernment. When I did my own research into the whole Mark Richards story, I discovered a website called Skymatters. It's run by a former attorney, if I am correct. He commenced w/his own research into the Richards story, and was not able to verify anything that Richards' wife has stated on the record. I've already posted links to that website in a prior comment, so I won't repeat that here. So unless someone knows something more about Mark than what has been found by others who have done their research into his story, I fail to understand how in the world this man's story can be deemed credible.

This lack of proper vetting has been shown time and again, to be an issue for many of these researchers and those of whom they've been willing to prop up on a pedestal. Truth is important, but it should be more important than using someone's story to prop one's self up as some sort of truthseeker. It does anger me when I've seen this happen, because it besmirches this entire movement when this happens.

Bill Ryan

2nd May 2017, 01:00

...Corey and Bill Tompkins, if memory serves, he stated he had issues w/both these alleged whistle-blowers. Rich did not get into any specifics as to either one of these men and their stories. He simply stated he could not validate either one of them. He stated he would not publish Tompkins' book; stated he wouldn't touch it.

But here's the thing: WHY. Rich stated there were just too many issues w/Tompkins' story to get 'into' during that lecture. I take issue w/that. If he's going to state, on the record, before a number of people, that he cannot validate Tompkins' story, then he at least owes his listening audience a few examples as to WHY. He doesn't need to go into a diatribe about some of that, but at least give a modicum of reasons as to why he has issues w/Tompkins' story.

Watch the video: it's here at 3:52:35, at the very end of the whole video. He was responding to a question from the audience, under pressure of time, in the closing minutes of a long lecture.

He said (exactly):

As far as Bill Tompkins and Corey Goode, I’ll just say, hopefully without making enemies, I’m not really on board with either of those scenarios.

I did have the opportunity to read Bill Tompkins’ text. I was offered the opportunity to publish it, which I declined. So if you ever wonder if I’m just out for the money, you’ll know that I'm not, because I could have made good money on that book. It’s selling quite well.

But I could not EVER, in good conscience, publish that book. I just find way too much that’s questionable about it, and I would not EVER want to associate my name with it.

That doesn’t mean that I don’t believe there’s a secret space program. As I’ve said, I do believe in one. I just don’t believe in his. There are too many historical inaccuracies and anomalies to bother going into.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4

Bayareamom

6th May 2017, 15:05

Bill Ryan

6th May 2017, 15:49

No, Bill. You're still not honing in on my question. Rich stated, "I did have the opportunity to read Bill Tompkins’ text. I was offered the opportunity to publish it, which I declined. So if you ever wonder if I’m just out for the money, you’ll know that I'm not, because I could have made good money on that book. It’s selling quite well. But I could not EVER, in good conscience, publish that book. I just find way too much that’s questionable about it, and I would not EVER want to associate my name with it."

I am asking what, SPECIFICALLY, was it about Tompkins' story that Rich found questionable. Dolan never states specifics. Were there time-line issues with Tompkins' story that Dolan has issues with? I am asking for specifics as to what precisely the issues were for Dolan re Tompkins' material.

If I had been a member of that Australian audience and heard Richard state the above, I would have asked him to provide a more detailed explanation as to what he specifically had issues with as it pertained to Tompkins' testimony. Simply stating that he had 'issues' with it, doesn't cut the mustard.

Yes, I do understand your question, and I can do this. (It may take a bit of time.)

Richard Dolan himself, if you watched that closing section of the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTzFVOVioR4), was asked the question very near the end of his presentation. He had no time to go into all the many details.

You may have seen that I wrote this (post #65 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-New-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower-William-Tompkins--now-94-yrs-old-&p=1096213&viewfull=1#post1096213) on this thread), back in September 2016. But I didn't address the substantive anomalies.

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I've been reading Bill Tompkins' book, Selected by Extraterrestrials (https://www.amazon.com/Selected-Extraterrestrials-secret-think-tanks-secretaries/dp/1515217469). 100 pages in, and I'm finding it hard going.

Bob Wood (http://exopoliticsinstitute.org/earthtransformation/topic-Wood.htm), who knows a thing or two, wrote in his Preface:

Bill's life story skirts the edge of believability.
I'd go beyond that, and say that it crashes right over the edge. Some of it is near-impossible to believe -- even for those with a wide-open mind about the history, and reality, of the Secret Space Program.

Tompkins (in my opinion) does himself no favors because the book reads like a series of unconnected vignettes, almost randomly assembled. In some cases, although faux-conversationally styled -- in an misguided (again in my opinion) attempt to make things readable -- it's really extremely hard to follow. The poorly-crafted attempts to introduce humor and banter into an utterly serious subject make it all feel a little farcical, and disconnect it further from reality.

I get the impression (but do not know this as a fact) that Tompkins wrote these many separate sections as individual essays over maybe many years (some of them only a few paragraphs long)... and then Bob Wood, as the editor, did the best job he could to stitch them all together into a kind of unsatisfactory mosaic.

Has anyone else read this...?

norman

6th May 2017, 16:07

Bayareamom

6th May 2017, 16:19

...Corey and Bill Tompkins, if memory serves, he stated he had issues w/both these alleged whistle-blowers. Rich did not get into any specifics as to either one of these men and their stories. He simply stated he could not validate either one of them. He stated he would not publish Tompkins' book; stated he wouldn't touch it.

But here's the thing: WHY. Rich stated there were just too many issues w/Tompkins' story to get 'into' during that lecture. I take issue w/that. If he's going to state, on the record, before a number of people, that he cannot validate Tompkins' story, then he at least owes his listening audience a few examples as to WHY. He doesn't need to go into a diatribe about some of that, but at least give a modicum of reasons as to why he has issues w/Tompkins' story.

Bill: I posted my response to the above comment this morning, but it doesn't appear on the thread for some odd reason. First, you've quoted what Dolan stated during this lecture, but as I've already explained in a prior comment, I have viewed the entirety of that lecture (2 combined lectures of Dolan's if I'm correct). So rather than repeat for me what Dolan stated, I am asking for the PRECISE reasoning behind Dolan's statement as to why he doesn't find Tompkins' story credible (or at least part of it credible, whichever the case may be). If I had been a member of that Australian audience and heard Rich make the above statement, I would have asked him to provide, w/more specificity, the reasoning behind his issues w/Tompkins' credibility. To me, this statement by Rich wherein he states he wouldn't associate his name to Tompkins story, is a pretty bold/blunt statement. BUT to me, if you're going to disparage someone's credibility in this manner, the least you can do is to provide factual, specific reasoning behind that statement. That is my issue.

Example: WHY does Rich state he couldn't validate Tompkins' story? What, specifically, does he has issues with; is it questions which arise out of specifics having to do w/Tompkins' time-line? If so, what are those issues? Does Rich have issues over assertions of Tompkins as to the various professionals Tompkins states he worked with during his early years?

Not asking for Rich to go into a diatribe, here. Just a couple of qualified answers, stating specifics as to the issues he has w/Tompkins.

Hope this provides enough detail as to my issues with Dolan's statements re Tompkins...

Shannon

6th May 2017, 17:23

...Corey and Bill Tompkins, if memory serves, he stated he had issues w/both these alleged whistle-blowers. Rich did not get into any specifics as to either one of these men and their stories. He simply stated he could not validate either one of them. He stated he would not publish Tompkins' book; stated he wouldn't touch it.

But here's the thing: WHY. Rich stated there were just too many issues w/Tompkins' story to get 'into' during that lecture. I take issue w/that. If he's going to state, on the record, before a number of people, that he cannot validate Tompkins' story, then he at least owes his listening audience a few examples as to WHY. He doesn't need to go into a diatribe about some of that, but at least give a modicum of reasons as to why he has issues w/Tompkins' story.

Bill: I posted my response to the above comment this morning, but it doesn't appear on the thread for some odd reason. First, you've quoted what Dolan stated during this lecture, but as I've already explained in a prior comment, I have viewed the entirety of that lecture (2 combined lectures of Dolan's if I'm correct). So rather than repeat for me what Dolan stated, I am asking for the PRECISE reasoning behind Dolan's statement as to why he doesn't find Tompkins' story credible (or at least part of it credible, whichever the case may be). If I had been a member of that Australian audience and heard Rich make the above statement, I would have asked him to provide, w/more specificity, the reasoning behind his issues w/Tompkins' credibility. To me, this statement by Rich wherein he states he wouldn't associate his name to Tompkins story, is a pretty bold/blunt statement. BUT to me, if you're going to disparage someone's credibility in this manner, the least you can do is to provide factual, specific reasoning behind that statement. That is my issue.

Example: WHY does Rich state he couldn't validate Tompkins' story? What, specifically, does he has issues with; is it questions which arise out of specifics having to do w/Tompkins' time-line? If so, what are those issues? Does Rich have issues over assertions of Tompkins as to the various professionals Tompkins states he worked with during his early years?

Not asking for Rich to go into a diatribe, here. Just a couple of qualified answers, stating specifics as to the issues he has w/Tompkins.

Hope this provides enough detail as to my issues with Dolan's statements re Tompkins...

Hey bayareamom,

I truly think you'll get a better answer about Dolan's reasons from Dolan himself. Asking Bill to explain why Dolan does what he does isn't going to clear anything up.

7alon

7th May 2017, 07:23

What cuts my mustard is that as far as I know, the name "Nordics" was a human invention for aliens who reminded us of Scandinavians.

In Tompkins's story, he tells of a time when a Nordic female fell down stairs and was eventually aided by one of her own race who used the name Nordic as he explained to her who she really was.

Having moved away from the Tompkins material for quite a while now I'm left with a feeling that is in complete agreement with Richard Dolan's phrase that there are too many problems with it.

Agreed. There is some truth to his story I believe, like the reptilian aspect. I think whatever Tompkin's agenda is, he knows of the negative transdimensional entities. I believe that Arthur Neumann also hinted at their existence when he said he doesn't know of any physical ET's that are 'bad'.

Bill Ryan

7th May 2017, 12:47

7alon

7th May 2017, 14:08

...negative transdimensional entities. I believe that Arthur Neumann also hinted at their existence when he said he doesn't know of any physical ET's that are 'bad'.

I'm not aware he ever said that. Arthur/'Henry Deacon' did tell Kerry and myself privately in early 2007, later reported by us, that some ETs liked to eat us.

(He had been to a formal briefing about this, and was so disgusted he walked out, but was not reprimanded for it. He was amazed that none of his colleagues seemed fazed in any way.)

I have been looking for the video on the forum. I watched it not long ago. He said this in the awake and aware 2013 presentation he did. I think he said something to Kerry like 'my apologies Kerry, but I just don't know of any' or something very rough like that.

I do recall him talking about leaving the job. But from the video I watched, I thought he just said he'd had enough of it all. The amount of restrictions that they had put on him was just something he was fed up of apparently?

norman

7th May 2017, 14:18

Bayareamom

7th May 2017, 22:32

Hi Shannon,

True - but I am also interested in Bill's input as well. But thanks for the tip.

AutumnW

7th May 2017, 23:55

Through my husband I was privy to a confidential video of Tompkins giving testimony many years ago. I would guess it was about 2004 or 2005. It may have been before that.

I found it fascinating but questionable. The positive takeaway for me was learning that the Navy ( naval intelligence) was responsible for studying ufos. His reasoning made sense.

But everything else sounded clunky -- like a failed submission to Nexus magazine.

AutumnW

8th May 2017, 00:03

Hi Shannon,

True - but I am also interested in Bill's input as well. But thanks for the tip.

Have to second Shannon here. How would Bill know what R.Dolan is thinking? And why on earth would he even want to pin Dolan down and get specific answers about why he doesn't want to be associated with him? Tompkins comes out with crazy ass stuff he can't back up, is my guess.

What part of his testimony has been independently corroborated by a highly credible source?

Cidersomerset

27th July 2017, 20:16

Thanks Onawah I'l move it to the Antartica thread to save the wasted hour posting it ...LOL

I came across this while scanning u'tube and its interesting , I'm not sure
what the current view on Pete Peterson is ? and was not sure if to post or not ?

Of course it could be BS , but who knows......

After listening to interview it is part of a series of interviews....

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Part 3....Cosmic Disclosure: UFOs under Antarctica and the Five-Fingered Mystery

Season 7, Episode 30
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PetePeterson, Antarctica, ThreeFingerBeings, TowerOfBabel

Could you tell us a little bit more about what happened there?
And you had said something about people that were as high as 37 feet tall.

Pete: It's my understanding that some of the people from that . . .
We call it the 'lowest crash' because it's deeper under the ice.

https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-ufos-under-antarctica-and-the-five-fingered-mystery.html

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Audio version of above interview for those like me who prefer to listen
and find reading long scripts off the screen tiring on the eye.

David Wilcock July 25, 2017

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FagXw-P9JYc

Throughout the history of humanity, mankind has been witness to thousands of strange,
unexplained ancient mysteries and events, as well as mysterious phenomena. Many of
them can undoubtedly be explained as regular, everyday events that were simply
misunderstood. However, there remain a large number that defy all logic, reason and
scientific explanation. This section will seek to explore some of these phenomena, not
only current events and reports, but also those unexplained mysteries of the world
from our remote past that remain unsolved today.

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Part 1...Cosmic Disclosure: Interview with the Insider
Season 6, Episode 15

https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-interview-with-the-insider.html

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Part 2...Cosmic Disclosure: Testimony on Pyramids and Underground Cities

Season 9, Episode 29
admin  19 Jul 2017

https://spherebeingalliance.com/blog/transcript-cosmic-disclosure-testimony-on-pyramids-and-underground-cities.html
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David Wilcock July 19, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zE9TUosSnI

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For contrast Joseph gives his views to Dark Journalist.....

JOSEPH FARRELL - ANTARCTICA BOMBSHELL REVEALED! ADMIRAL BYRD JFK NAZIS & ATLANTIS - DARK JOURNALIST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34MD7v-W2x0

Published on 9 Jul 2017

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Antarctica Synchronicity with Deep Events!
In this fascinating Part 1 episode, Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt welcomes back Oxford Scholar Dr. Joseph Farrell to analyze the strange history and peculiar recent happenings around the mysterious icy wilderness of Antarctica. The last year has seen many high level figures visiting there as Farrell has written about extensively. From Former Secretary of State John Kerry to Apollo Astronaut Buzz Aldrin, the list of luminaries who are suddenly appearing at this remote location has grown quite unusual and eclectic raising major questions.

BOMBSHELL Admiral Byrd JFK Connection Revealed Here for the First Time!
A major connection between Admiral Byrd and the JFK Assassination will be revealed here for the first time as Dark Journalist and Joseph Farrell reveal that D.H. Byrd, the Texas Oilman that was friends with LBJ and owned The Texas School Book Depository where the designated culprit Lee Harvey Oswald was framed for the shooting President Kennedy, was actually Admiral Byrd's cousin! In fact Admiral Byrd had one of the mountains of Antarctica named after him! This strange artifact of Deep State intrigue opens more doors to a huge underworld of military, intelligence, and oil interests that have conspired to control history.

Nazi Obsessions with the Mystical Aryan Fatherland
Farrell details how the Nazis actually enlisted Admiral Byrd previous to World War II to help guide them with details of what they could expect once their expeditions had reached Antarctica. The Nazi mythology entrusted a great deal of mystical interest in an Atlantis-like Fatherland that they believed lay somehwere in the Icy South Pole.

Flying Discs in Antarctica?
Byrd's strange comments to a Chilean journalist after his strangely brief Antarctica expedition in 1947 about the US needing to prepare to fight an enemy that could fly easily from pole to pole with 'tremendous speed' have led to dramatic conjecture about what he saw that led him to come back so soon and be rattled so deeply. Byrd never again discussed his powerful sightings in public.

Informative, exciting, and power-packed with revelations you don't want to miss this fascinating Dark Journalist episode

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JOSEPH FARRELL: ANTARCTICA ATLANTIS! EDGAR CAYCE POSEIDIAN FIRE CRYSTAL - DARK JOURNALIST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80-gYbUgoss

Published on 28 Jul 2017

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**ANTARCTICA ATLANTIS CONNECTION REVEALED!**
In this fascinating part 2 episode. Dark Journalist Daniel Liszt welcomes back Oxford Scholar Dr. Joseph Farrell to analyze the strange history and the recent peculiar happenings around the mysterious icy continent of Antarctica.

The possibility that Antarctica once formed a part of Atlantis in ancient times is explored, along with the idea that a pole shift took place 12,000 years ago and may be responsible for its current position on the globe. Edgar Cayce’s unique vision of the enigmatic Atlantean ‘Mighty, Terrible Fire Crystal’ or 'Tuaoi Stone’ which powered the lost civilization is theorized as being the cause for the destruction and inundation of Atlantis.

Cayce’s High Technology Version of Atlantis
While many esoteric traditions embrace the concept of a root culture that rose to great heights and destroyed itself, Cayce’s unique version of Atlantis had them located on the heart of the Atlantic Ocean and fully equipped with Advanced Technology, Flying Ships, Solar Power Stations, Laser Weapons, and Age Rejuvenation Centers. He saw two major groups vying for power: the Sons of the Law of One, a spiritually advanced race of psychic avatars, and the Sons of Belial, a powerful group of black magic sorcerers and shadowy engineers. The war between these two groups actually set off volcano activity due to misuse of the Fire Crystals and was responsible for splitting the continent into three islands between Florida on one side and Spain on the other.

Eventually the advanced members of the Law of One group survived founded the Ancient Egyptian and Mayan civilizations and were responsible for the cultural pyramid building as a way to preserve their ancestral memory. With the latest happenings and developments that Dr. Farrell has been tracking since last year, is it possible a small part of this Atlantean group also went to Antarctica?

Bill Ryan

21st August 2017, 13:30

Folks, it appears that Bill Tompkins is about to leave us all very soon. He has a brain tumor, and if the reports are correct, he is on life support. And that will be withdrawn imminently.

Hard to find the appropriate words. Bless him. He was never a bad person — not for a moment — and did his personal best right up to the very end, with this monumental tangle that he found himself ensnared in.

If any of us were to be speaking live at conferences way into our 90s, we'd all be proud (and maybe surprised :) ).

I don't think anything that any researcher said or wrote about him was angled at hm personally. The commitment was always to get at the truth — whatever it was. He might be in full support of that.

I believe his book is being re-written, and I hope it is.

And I also hope he will be back with us. The game continues. There is no finishing line, or final whistle, in sight.

:flower:

Bill Ryan

21st August 2017, 13:38

https://missiongalacticfreedom.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/tompkinspic.jpg

Did You See Them

21st August 2017, 13:56

Wishing him well on his journey if that is his to be his plight.
A remarkable man with a remarkable career.
As a model builder I have been more than impressed with his work and attention to detail.
All the best William.
DYST

GroovieBean

21st August 2017, 14:35

Sad news on William Tompkins. Disgrace is the toxic yarn they will utilize and spin out of it. see recent post from SBA/DW comments.

Cidersomerset

21st August 2017, 15:02

This is sad news for his family and friends as well as the community as a whole.
Timing is always a strange thing especially as he has only entered the public arena
recently in his long colourful career. I'm glad he got his story out whether you
believe him or not and I expect we will be discussing parts of it for a long time yet....

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A couple of relatively short vids giving some basic info on Bills disclosure ironically
in the second one he discus's longevity.

William Tompkins | Compilation (With Robert Wood, Paul Hellyer, Camelot etc..)

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Published on 17 Aug 2017
Compilation of Videos with William Tompkins etc..
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William Tompkins Secret Space Program

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYe5sUnHBUQ
Published on 5 Mar 2017
William Tompkins served with Navy Intelligence from 1942-1945 directly
participating in intelligence debriefings of Navy agents embedded within Germany's
most secret aerospace facilities.

anandacate

21st August 2017, 20:31

William Tompkins Transitions on Day of Full Solar Eclipse (http://exopolitics.org/william-tompkins-transitions-on-day-of-full-lunar-eclipse/)

Written by Dr Michael Salla on August 21, 2017. Posted in Announcements, Featured

I have just learned that William Milton Tompkins passed away early this morning at around 2 am Pacific Time in San Diego, California. Bill’s transition on this day of a full solar eclipse across the USA is yet another remarkable synchronicity in a long and productive life. In addition to working for decades with the US Navy, leading aerospace corporations, and Navy support organizations with multiple achievements, Bill decided to cap his remarkable life with his insider testimony about the Navy’s secret space program.

It’s hard to believe that in the short space of less than two years, from the December 2015 publication of his book, Selected by Extraterrestrials, Bill has electrified the UFO/exopolitics community with his incredible testimony about the Navy’s secret development of space battle groups with the assistance of major aerospace companies beginning with Douglas Aircraft. Dr Bob Wood told me that the second volume of Bill’s autobiography is currently with editors and the plan is to still move forward with publication.

Bill’s transition today means that he will be aiding all dedicated to full disclosure from the other side of the veil, and will be sending his sweet energy and humor to aid all us in this planetary transition.

I plan to write a more detailed article about Bill’s accomplishments in the next day or so with more information about upcoming events to honor Bill’s life and achievements.

Those wanting to learn more about Bill’s secret space program testimony can visit the following page which lists most of the articles, radio interviews and videos about him. Bill’s friends and I will miss him greatly, and we look forward to his continuing help from the other side.

Michael Salla, Ph.D.

Kristin

21st August 2017, 20:39

May William Tompkins rest in peace. He was a lively entertaining man in his years and really had a good time up to the end from what I saw at the MUFON symposium. I do hope that we all have a chance at such humor and longevity to share with the world when/if we reach such a distinguished age. My thoughts go to his family and friends.

From the Heart,
Kris

RunningDeer

21st August 2017, 21:46

UfonautRadio

21st August 2017, 22:08

Super classy...

RunningDeer

21st August 2017, 22:13

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Love/Godspeed-Tompkins.jpg

♡

Mike

22nd August 2017, 01:14

FictionLReality

22nd August 2017, 02:03

Wow RIP William Tompkins ! At 94 he still Was a firecracker

QUESTION: Was the video I posted below his last public appearance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsETojcWEWU

Joe from the Carolinas

22nd August 2017, 02:35

Sad news on William Tompkins. Disgrace is the toxic yarn they will utilize and spin out of it. see recent post from SBA/DW comments.

Hey, Wilcock! There’s a time and a place. This ain’t it.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/uncouth-Wilcock.jpg

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/uncouth.jpg

First, I look forward to seeing Mr Tompkins in his next incarnation. Second, it would be nice if theories surrounding his death would be withheld until the grief process can be respected.

RunningDeer

22nd August 2017, 02:45

Wow. Wilcock. What a piece of sh!t he is. Corey might even be facepalming at the sight of that one.

All my best to William Tompkins, wherever he is now. He seemed like a kind, gentle man. Godspeed sir.

It’s beyond words how Wilcock is capitalizing on William Tompkins death. It’s heartless and self-serving. People have got to be wising up to these Paul Bunyan tales.

On the Jimmy Church show, Wilcock said @ 1:47:38 (https://youtu.be/bsBUyEqBgtM?t=1h47m38s):

…all of the things he [Pete Peterson] owns which are in the millions of dollars which I was set to inherit that stuff. It would have kept me financially solvent for the rest of my life.

On DivineCosmos.com it's posted (http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1218-mega-attack):

David was set to inherit at least a portion of all of these valuables.

findingneo

22nd August 2017, 08:03

I have not seen anyone actually say this, folk are too caught up........so......

Hope your transition was peaceful Bill and I hope you find your way home.

Lots of love.

Cidersomerset

22nd August 2017, 08:05

Bill has passed over on a auspicious day .......

Astonomer Alyssa Drake " A fantastic celestial coincidence "

-b_NQgdcTqg
21 Aug 2017 BBC US & CANADA

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William Tompkins Transitions on Day of Full Solar Eclipse

Written by Dr Michael Salla on August 21, 2017.

http://exopolitics.org/william-tompkins-transitions-on-day-of-full-lunar-eclipse/
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Secret Space Program Whistleblowers Under Scrutiny – Response to Richard Dolan

Written by Dr Michael Salla on July 20, 2017. Posted in exopolitics research,

read more..
http://exopolitics.org/secret-space-program-whistleblowers-under-scrutiny/
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From Coreys Twitter....
SphereBeingAlliance‏ @blueavians · 7h7 hours ago

We will be organizing a memorial page for Bill for anyone whom would like to
comment on his service or donate to...
https://twitter.com/blueavians?lang=en

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William Tompkins is one of the most incredible whistleblowers to step forward. The
depth and implications of his testimony are nothing short of astounding. Of course,
there will always be those who refuse to believe his story, since he is an ET

read more...
http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/william-tompkins-et-whistleblower/

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A tribute to the man and something we are looking for in our own ways Truth , the
meaning life and much more......We can all be heroes....With a voice like a
scrambled Rod Stewart , Bonnie belts out some old appropriate classic for me....

Bonnie Tyler Prepares To Perform ‘Total Eclipse’ During Total Eclipse
Today...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LlxW3f36Dc
CNN.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-n6FXcfUuw

Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse of the Heart ...1980's timeless classic
lcOxhH8N3Bo

Bonnie Tyler - Holding Out For A Hero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWcASV2sey0

Bonnie Tyler - It's A Heartache

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPOy7TPjfkE

Praxis

26th August 2017, 05:19

Ummmmmmm Bill Tompkins died?

I googled and found on Sallas sight that indeed it is true.

So what about his reverse age stuff he was promised? Strange that I just found out about this in a throw away comment in this interview.

Builder

27th August 2017, 09:23

uzn

27th August 2017, 09:25

32977
Thats supposedly a Solar Warden ship. Have no proof. Just figuring out how to upload pictures ;)

Yes there is no proof because it's an image from a video game as discussed in this forum many times before.

Yeah I know, Bill pointed that out. My bad, I should have done a reverse picture search before posting.

Harley

27th August 2017, 10:25

uzn

27th August 2017, 11:28

I think this one is better. :)

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-26f69448e1ea16beb875315babe1ecf2.webp

The link to your picture is not working. Missing half of the link.

"https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-26f69448e1ea16beb875315babe1ecf2.webp"

Harley

27th August 2017, 21:06

The link to your picture is not working. Missing half of the link.

"https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-26f69448e1ea16beb875315babe1ecf2.webp"

Not sure what you mean. Are you not seeing the picture? Because if you are all you have to do is Right-Click on the picture and select either
[Open image in new tab] or [Copy image address] and then paste it into a new browser window.

Works fine for me! :)

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-26f69448e1ea16beb875315babe1ecf2.webp

The forum software automatically truncates the full length of the link in order to shorten it, but it still works fine and should take you directly to the source page.

Bill Ryan

27th August 2017, 22:26

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-26f69448e1ea16beb875315babe1ecf2.webp

Nope... it's a .webp suffix. Most people will have nothing that opens that. (I can't open it myself, with anything I've got.)

Can you save it as a .jpg? Even send it to me by e-mail. I can then post it.

Chester

27th August 2017, 22:55

I chose Chrome and it opened as is - its the Star Treck ship.

36053

Retief

28th August 2017, 00:23

Ok, just got done doing my taxes (still have to pay them lol) and time to vent. I know I'm new here . I went to the beginning of this thread and laughed at that Solar Warden ship picture. No disrespect to the poster, and it's a cool picture.. Sammy got it just right, satire in a photo, the location of his photoshop was in my day known as Newport News Ship Building and Dry Dock Company. Now I guess they're Tenneco. Whatever. My point is first, look at the original picture. What government in their right mind would have a ship like that right out in the open. I can tell you from personal experience that both shipyards that manufacture submarines have sheet metal buildings in which the boats can go to have sensitive maintenance performed, masts, ect, without spy satellites seeing them. Google earth Groton Ct and Newport News Va. And, it seems to have air intakes on it. WTF? Anyway, I guess what I'm getting at is think about things a bit before passing dubious things around.

Andrew_K

30th August 2017, 02:40

Here's Walter Nowosad's word on Tompkins' death. As you may know, he did a three-part interview with Bill Tompkins and Bob Wood, and he got to know Bill that way.

He stresses that David Wilcock and Jay Weidner are either being inaccurate or untruthful when they say that Bill didn't have internet access and therefore wasn't able to pick up on all the information floating around online. He did have internet access, and Walter has first-hand knowledge of this fact.

Anyways, here is the video for your enjoyment.
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ZoSo925

30th January 2018, 19:49

Tanner

15th March 2018, 12:23

On the subject of age regression TRW came to the conclusion that people only use about 2.3 % of their brain. The Draco are dropping four different gases from their ships into the Earths atmosphere in a chemtrail style manner. The gases cause a reduction in both intelligence and life span. Humans would normally live to be a thousand years old and be able to use all of their brain so that their intelligence would be tremendously increased over what it is now. IQs of a 1000 or something like this.

I watched Kerry Cassidys video with Bill Tompkins very soon after it was first posted. Some months later I watched it again and noticed that some parts of the original video were gone. One of those missing parts was where Tompkins mentions that there are about 100 US corporations experimenting and creating designer drugs and chemicals that reverse the aging process and increase intelligence. He's mentioned the 4 pill treatment that increases ones intelligence a minimum of 400% and brings peoples bodies back to the age of about 25.

So... if a person could isolate their environment it should be possible to remove and prevent the four Draco gases from entering our bodies. Live in an environmentally controlled biosphere of sorts. If successful this would over time cause our natural intelligence and age to come back, without the need of the 4 pill treatment. This is a guess but it makes sense.

I myself eat only organic food and drink only distilled water that I create myself from a home distiller. Unprocessed organic is the best because it is the purest. The only thing I can't control right now is the air I breath, therefore the exposure to the Draco neurological and physiological suppression agents (the four gases/compounds).

I wish I could get a hold of those magic pills Tompkins talks about. Are any pharmaceutical companies selling derivitive works based on the real age regression technology, which may infact only be a compound that binds with and renders inoperative the Draco gases.

Anyways... those are my thoughts.

Thanks,
-Tanner Guse

Bill Ryan

15th March 2018, 14:59

He's mentioned the 4 pill treatment that increases ones intelligence a minimum of 400% and brings peoples bodies back to the age of about 25.

There are so many holes in that claim, that it might take really quite a long time to pick it all apart. (I won't do that here and now... I have too much to do today! :) )

The one anomaly that should be obvious is that even if an 'age-regression pill' was in any way a biochemical reality, it would take a LOT LOT LOT of time to work.

Just think about it. Be a GOOD Sci-Fi writer just for a moment, and write this into a detailed story. Regressing 20 years might take a whole year or two... many months at the fastest.

Joe Haldeman wrote Buying Time, which was all about this concept.

https://amazon.com/Buying-Time-Joe-Haldeman/dp/0380704390

How long does it take to heal after a broken leg so you can run marathons and climb mountains again? A heart or liver transplant? Anyone who's had reconstructive surgery knows what a huge process these things can be. Heck, I just had my appendix out last year, and it took me two weeks to get back to full strength.

Even if one's doing a deep cleanse (see the water fasting (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101104-Water-Fasting) thread), Avalon member Flyswim reported that it took over 20 days for her skin to start 'glowing' — and, presumably, looking younger. (That's a natural healing process called autophagy at work.)

The body needs TIME to build new tissue. That can't possibly be magically accelerated, unless you're (1) Gandalf, or (2) making it all up. :)

It could NOT POSSIBLY be the kind of thing where you take the pill one night and the next morning you look in the mirror and you're all different. The body can't respond that fast.

— BUT —

None of the '20-and-back' proponents have EVER discussed (or, apparently even THOUGHT of) the wait-a-minute-let's-just-think-for-a-moment fine details of the process. That's an insuperable problem in the credibility of the entire thing.

Hervé

15th March 2018, 15:55

As an aside on space travel, DNA and genetics:

Astronaut Scott Kelly has different DNA than twin brother after one year In space (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/03/13/scott-kelly-astronaut-twins-different-dna/)

Monica Edwards and Laurie Abadie NASA (http://denver.cbslocal.com/2018/03/13/scott-kelly-astronaut-twins-different-dna/)
Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:17 UTC

https://www.sott.net/image/s22/456568/large/nasa_astronauts_scott_kelly_an.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s22/456568/full/nasa_astronauts_scott_kelly_an.jpg)
NASA's twin astronauts Scott, left, and Mark Kelly. Scott spent a year in space while Mark stayed on Earth as a control subject. Researchers looked at the effects of space travel on the human body. © Tony Cenicola

The Twin Study propelled NASA into the genomics era of space travel. It was a ground-breaking study comparing what happened to astronaut Scott Kelly, in space, to his identical twin brother, Mark, who remained on Earth. The perfect nature versus nurture study was born.

The Twins Study brought ten research teams from around the country together to accomplish one goal: discover what happens to the human body after spending one year in space. NASA has a grasp on what happens to the body after the standard-duration six-month missions aboard the International Space Station (https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/main/index.html), but Scott Kelly's one-year mission is a stepping stone to a three-year mission to Mars.

If the results of the Twins Study (https://www.nasa.gov/twins-study) are like a play, Act 1 began at NASA's Human Research Program (https://www.nasa.gov/hrp) (HRP) 2017 Investigators' Workshop (IWS), where the ten teams presented their preliminary findings (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/how-stressful-will-a-trip-to-mars-be-on-the-human-body-we-now-have-a-peek-into-what-the-nasa). Reports included data on what happened to Scott Kelly, physiologically and psychologically, while he was in space, and compared the data to Mark Kelly, as a control subject on Earth. The 2018 IWS is Act 2, where findings from 2017 were corroborated, with some additions. Researchers also presented what happened to Scott after he returned to Earth, again while making comparisons to Mark. Act 3 will be debuted later in 2018 when an integrated summary publication is expected to be released.

The Twins Study Investigators came from around the country to meet and share their final research results at the annual Human Research Program Investigators' Workshop held in Galveston, Texas.

By measuring large numbers of metabolites, cytokines, and proteins, researchers learned that spaceflight is associated with oxygen deprivation stress, increased inflammation, and dramatic nutrient shifts that affect gene expression.

After returning to Earth, Scott started the process of readapting to Earth's gravity. Most of the biological changes he experienced in space quickly returned to nearly his preflight status. Some changes returned to baseline within hours or days of landing, while a few persisted after six months.

Scott's telomeres (endcaps of chromosomes that shorten as one ages) actually became significantly longer in space. While this finding was presented in 2017, the team verified this unexpected change with multiple assays and genomics testing. Additionally, a new finding is that the majority of those telomeres shortened within two days of Scott's return to Earth.

Another interesting finding concerned what some call the "space gene", which was alluded to in 2017. Researchers now know that 93% of Scott's genes returned to normal after landing. However, the remaining 7% point to possible longer term changes in genes related to his immune system, DNA repair, bone formation networks, hypoxia, and hypercapnia.

Increasing mission duration from the typical six-month ISS mission to one year resulted in no significant decreases in Scott's cognitive performance while inflight and relative to his twin brother Mark on the ground. However, a more pronounced decrease in speed and accuracy was reported postflight, possibly due to re-exposure and adjustment to Earth's gravity, and the busy schedule that enveloped Scott after his mission.

The Twins Study has benefited NASA by providing the first application of genomics to evaluate potential risks to the human body in space. The NASA Twins Study also presented a unique opportunity for investigators to collaborate, participating in a team approach to HRP research.

Observations guide development of future hypotheses. Research from the landmark Twins Study will inform NASA's Human Research Program (https://www.nasa.gov/hrp) studies for years to come, as NASA continues to prioritize the health and safety of astronauts on spaceflight missions.

While Scott Kelly's height and 93 percent of his DNA returned to normal after returning to Earth, NASA confirmed that seven percent of his genes have remained changed and may stay that way. "This is thought to be from the stresses of space travel, which can cause changes in a cell's biological pathways and ejection of DNA and RNA," researchers added (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-twins-study-investigators-to-release-integrated-paper-in-2018).

Tanner

16th March 2018, 00:08

Hi Bill,

as I remember Tompkins says the 4 pill treatment was not instant but took sometime. Perhaps as long as four months because he said one pill was taken each month for four months. Walter Nowosad asked Tompkins in person if he had taken any age regression substances and Tompkins said something like "he couldn't talk about it" which lends credence to the fact that maybe he had taken in some way shape or form some manner of the age regression compounds. He did live to be 94 after all and was still extremely mentally coherent and sharp.

Tompkins aside there are age regression technologies out there that have been developed, but in at least one case they rely on large machines. Timothy Thrapp talks about a man who built a machine that could repair the Telomeres so that a persons cells could produce far more perfect copies of themselves. Aging occurs because over time our cells produce ever more imperfect copies or replacements for themselves. So the 50th generation of your cells are highly degraded copies of the original cells you had when you were first born. The man Thrapp talks about is Antoine Priore who built a machine in the 1970s in France that produced age regression among other healing effects. The super rich power elite got wind of this however and took over the project. Timothy Thrapp then recreated this device in the 80s with a man who worked on the original project. Thrapp talks about this in a radio interview he gave some years ago. The really interesting part about age regression starts at the 37 minute mark.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/waterfuelmuseum/2007/09/29/timothy

I guess certain electrical/magnetic fields can align with our bodies cells and restore the Telomeres to their original condition, and hence bring back our perfect genetic template or self, which is how we looked at age 20 or so. The Tech can get our bodies to regrow lost teeth and eyes or limbs. Thrapp says we can easily live to be 500 to 800 years old using the Technology he developed back then. Unfortunately he says him and his group ran into problems by power entities back then that don't want this kind of technology being used en mass.

-Tanner

Ernie Nemeth

16th March 2018, 00:12

Okay, can we hurry these techs along, please.

tapping his aging foot impatiently

Tanner

17th March 2018, 03:33

Builder

18th March 2018, 14:19

While Scott Kelly's height and 93 percent of his DNA returned to normal after returning to Earth, NASA confirmed that seven percent of his genes have remained changed and may stay that way.

The Atlantic:

How Did Astronaut DNA Become 'Fake News'? (https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/03/scott-kelly-dna-fake-news/555794/)

“Mark and Scott Kelly are still identical twins,” nasa said. “Scott’s DNA did not fundamentally change. What researchers did observe are changes in gene expression, which is how your body reacts to your environment. This likely is within the range for humans under stress, such as mountain climbing or scuba diving.”

Scott did experience some changes in his DNA. DNA is packaged into structures called chromosomes, which end in protective caps called telomeres. The study found that Scott’s telomeres lengthened while Scott was in space. This was a big surprise. On Earth, our telomeres shorten as we age, and the process can be accelerated by stress. Because spaceflight puts immense stressors on the human body, scientists had thought Scott’s telomeres would shrink.

“There was no doubt that there was telomere elongation in space, and they shortened dramatically when he came back,” says Susan Bailey, a radiation cytogeneticist and Colorado State University professor who led the telomere research. But “that is very separate from gene expression. It’s not the same thing at all.”

The media seems to have conflated this finding, the lengthening of the telomeres in Scott’s DNA, with the other—the changes in gene activity. Take, for example, the Newsweek story that Kelly tweeted. “Astronaut Scott Kelly’s DNA was altered by a year in space,” it says. True, if you’re talking about his telomeres. The next sentence, “Seven percent of his genes did not return to normal after he landed, researchers found.” Also true, if you’re talking about his gene expression. Unfortunately, when they’re combined like that, they’re misleading.

There was no evidence of the deliberate or malicious spread of misinformation in this saga. But the whole affair provides a fascinating case study in the concept of “fake news.”

Bill Ryan

18th March 2018, 16:43

Hi Hervé,

the man who was in space for a year grew younger because he was isolated from the Draco substances. The change in his Telomeres is proof of this. The longer a person is isolated environmentally from the Draco compounds, the younger you will become.

Well, no. :)

Please read Builder's clarifying post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89312-PASSED-aged-94-William--Bill--Tompkins-ET-and-Nazi-UFOs-Whistleblower&p=1214988&viewfull=1#post1214988).

I know you mean well, but please don't post stuff here that you present as factual but is actually highly speculative and has no evidence to support it.

Ernie Nemeth

5th May 2018, 01:58

Bill Ryan

5th May 2018, 11:37

But Bill, the length of the telomeres is what is considered a large part of the aging process. When the telomeres get short the chromosomes are read improperly and genes get scrambled. If the astronaut gained length in the telomeres he could be considered younger.

In theory, just maybe! (Yes, re telomere length, etc.) But this is utterly different from turning back the clock overnight like instantly winding back a long film 20 years, so that appearance and bodily function are both indistinguishable from that in one's youth.

Think about it logically just for a moment, and that's 100% impossible by that process. That can't be about healing... it would have to be about time travel in some very specialized and peculiar form.

Ernie Nemeth

5th May 2018, 16:25

Yes, age regression is another matter entirely. But death can be postponed if telomere length can be kept optimal.

Age regression can only be possible if an engram encoded with the correct wave pattern were to be overlaid and synchronized with the body's energy patterns - something far off in the future if ever attainable.

The problem of time travel is that the younger version of you has no memory of the older version. Therefore, if you travelled back in time and somehow entered the younger you's mind and body, you would not remember you but him...confusing

AutumnW

5th May 2018, 16:52

The elongation of telomeres created by zero g's is not necessarily going to lengthen life, as Bill suggests. The elongation process, in this respect, could be damaging the telomeres.

It's a bit like saying that receiving a shotgun blast to the head that destroys a brain tumor, is surely going to prolong life.

Tanner

5th May 2018, 19:35

Bill Ryan

5th May 2018, 23:04

Randy Cramer said something interesting in some of his videos about this. He mentioned a laser that was used to create holograms of an extremely high resolution. These holograms were created by a computer that was able to read your entire unique genetic blueprint and then create a perfect hologram of the particular body part that needed repair. In Randy's case it was his liver that he was destroying every couple days by the high intensity drug combination he was taking during his time in the mars wars. Anyways the hologram of his perfect liver would be projected superimposed over his real liver, and then by a process of somekind the cells of the real liver would quickly morph into the structure and appearance of the perfect cells of the holographic projection overlay. It was an interesting process.

There's a term for that: science fiction. :)

To take the liberty of paraphrasing Richard Dolan (but only very slightly!), two people telling mutually supportive campfire stories does NOT constitute any kind of corroborative evidence.

Joe from the Carolinas

7th May 2018, 04:10

death can be postponed if telomere length can be kept optimal.

Age regression can only be possible if an engram encoded with the correct wave pattern were to be overlaid and synchronized with the body's energy patterns

Randy Cramer said something interesting in some of his videos about this. He mentioned a laser that was used to create holograms of an extremely high resolution. These holograms were created by a computer that was able to read your entire unique genetic blueprint and then create a perfect hologram of the particular body part that needed repair. In Randy's case it was his liver that he was destroying every couple days by the high intensity drug combination he was taking during his time in the mars wars. Anyways the hologram of his perfect liver would be projected superimposed over his real liver, and then by a process of somekind the cells of the real liver would quickly morph into the structure and appearance of the perfect cells of the holographic projection overlay. It was an interesting process.

Anyways I've created a video about Bill Tompkins and the age accelerating compounds I believe the Draco are dumping on the entire planet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiOF_hotJVM

Thanks

Hey Tanner-

Millions of people with bile duct tumors would love to have access to that technology, unfortunately I hate to say that Randy Cramer’s report is not consistent with established pathology of the liver. If his liver was being “destroyed” every couple of days with high intensity drugs, replacing the liver would not be effective in saving his life... even holographically.

The reason is because the body has a response when ones liver is “destroyed”, resulting in a high increase in blood levels of AST, ALT (which are two enzymes). This is a systemic problem that is not localized to the liver, but rather the entire body.

So what would Cramer be experiencing if his report of a destroyed liver was actually true? Common symptoms of liver disease with these enzyme elevations include vomiting, jaundice, severe fatigue, inability to catch one’s breath, excessive bleeding and bruising, and edema. These symptoms would make it impossible for someone to fight alien creatures as a mars space marine, let alone walk 100 feet.

Replacing someone’s liver every two days would not prevent or reverse the permanent body damage linked with the chronic elevations of just 2 of these liver enzymes (and for sake of brevity I haven’t gone into the impact on blood coagulation, bilirubin, or albumin).

By the way, if they REALLY had holographic organ regeneration technology (somehow transmuting laser beams into human cells), they wouldn’t need to use such risky, high intensity drugs, now would they? They could just holographically replace Cramer’s blood with the appropriate monoclonal antibodies and T-cell changes used today with immunotherapies, so he wouldn’t need high intensity drugs.

This is particular relevant because Cramer also claims that he was genetically engineered at the moment of conception to be a perfect super soldier - if that were true, he wouldn’t have told Eve Logan in 2006 that he was a failed super soldier who did missions in South America working cocaine and the cartels. No mention of secret space programs at that time, no mars wars as far as I recall.