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Robert Baird
9th March 2016, 17:42
http://forum.world-mysteries.com/threads/1176-A-million-years-BEFORE-Atlantis!

Economics ends up as the final arbiter in so many arguments about how to plan for our future. If we don`t know our past how can we go forward. History is, as some wise man said - prologue to the present. We are lied to incessantly by high-falutin talking heads and we need a new broom or maybe a hammer. Not the expensive hammer that might cost thousands of bucks as the Golden Fleece award done by US Senator William Proxmire used to tell us about. Just a simple whack a mole mallet might even do. A good debate was held between C. H. Douglas and many dismal economists including John Maynard Keynes. I recommend it highly.

Have you heard Ted Turner wants to reduce the people on Earth BIG TIME. Yes, and guess who he doesn't want. It isn't just him. De-population has been done with vile intent many times and places. There is no One Pie and we can create many new pies. But we might just fail to get humanity together on this as Hawking says (We have just this century to survive if we do not colonize space.). And maybe we have reached a similar crossroads before on Earth. There are OOPARTS which are hard to explain such as a Cyborg (Prosthesis of a high degree and little more can be proven but it is possible the mind was interacting with the mechanics just as we now do.) from before 4,000 BCE and the Dropa stones from 9,000 years ago.

Given that we might have modern humans or at least civilized humans as much as 2,000,000 years ago - it is plain stupid to keep talking about just 10,000 years. Even if it is a million years of civilization we have all reason to think advancements in the very distant past far outstrip what we have been taught. I prefer this to alien intervention given the Prime Directive. (he-he)

This next link to Wikipedia is far closer to what I think is real. The researcher referred to has gone further and proposes up to ten species of hominids or variations have resulted. The Denisovan example (He is from near the cyborg and a mysterious concrete map covering many acres.) would prove his contention as would the Hobbit which may be connected to his Mungo people and which I found cliff drawings there which lead me to posit just that. I cannot say he has continued to develop these theories. I have seen him forced to back off some of what is said here - and I hope he continues his free-thinking research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Thorne

This article demonstrates the extent to which TV and academia lie to humanity.
It gets a lot right about Zahi Hawass.

http://www.tnetimes.com/article/244-verge-fall-dictator-among-egyptologists-zahi-hawass-edgar-cayce-pyramid-sphinx-bosnia-semir


My lady most adept was a Boddhisattva seeker like myself. She knew Bhakti, Tantra and Agni Yoga and how to abandon herself as well as bring it all under scrutiny in retrospect. In Tree of Life terms you could say she combined Hod and Kether even in her dance. Getty Lee saw it when she was part of his opening act under Jerry Manfredi (Doors) with his group Abraxas. Abraxas is an ancient Egyptian system for combining both ends of every topic or issue (Dialectics if you will).

And one of the places energy stores information is the soul according to research on the fruit fly recounted in this excerpt from a good book. But it is also in our genes which the Head of the Human Genome project (Dr. Collins) said when he said we have a history book in our genes. But not all information in that book is as simple and clear as the written word.

Recent research on our so-called junk DNA shows how electrical or magnetic fields variable and dynamic allow great attunement; and over time I believe, genetic information transfer. You could say the Earth Energy Grid and alchemical forms like the oroborous (the serpent with it's tail, seen by one researcher in this book and partial segment from this link) or caduceus seen all over the world in symbols is mirrored in our genes. Which came first? Did our thought impact our body just as we see in positive thinking and healing? Was it part of evolution? Some people are saying it is proof of God. Heaven may be within as Pope John Paul II said in 1999 and many mystics have said throughout written history and before. This book has Heaven in the title and draws all constructs from every religion into it - fairly and ecumenically. Will science teach us how to live in Brotherhood? No? This knowledge is ancient and manipulated throughout the ages, I say.

You might disagree and say yoga, astrology and other uses of it have never been this exact - and it may be true we have some proof here that is new but the old disciplines used it better than we are - if you consider what Futurescape demonstrates we are about to do in manipulation of the World Mind by making people into tools to soulfully achieve a 'Matrix' - the movie. The Verbal Tradition may have started before the species began to speak. As far as our genetic history book - I think it did. I have said it was in the Akashic and collective since we were apes - for many years. I referred to animal clicking noises as a language in interviews kept here at W-M. The porpoise communicates with similar sounds and humans had sign languages as well. That qabala or verbal tradition is very old to say the least. Guess who kept the Verbal Tradition in most cultures - the poets or bards - BRDs - my family.

The following quote comes from Stealthskater and links in his material which I have posted here. The caduceus may be older than Egypt and along with the Ankh (see Pavlita Generators) may have allowed many ancient secret technologies including VRIL connections to Pentagon Dodecahedron Earth Energy which is mirrored outside our atmosphere.

What about the chakras or vortices of energy (or "wheels of lights") that are described in New Age literature as well as (supposedly?) ancient VEDIC_ARYAN literature of the Far East? I have read in one book about the soul being described as a TUBE that runs along the axis of the spine and has certain areas or NODES of ACTIVITY where these spinning wheels of energy are located. SUPPOSEDLY when all of these wheels are spinning in the right directions and at the correct rate of rotation,, there is an ENERGY SPIRAL or FLOW that is achieved that can bring about or is pure consciousness. Is there a correct spin ratio between chakras that would allow full consciousness to be achieved? How would an ordinary human go about attaining these correct spin ratios? Would all of these spinning vortices need to be aligned and spinning at the same speed?

I wonder if these concepts are also related to the idea of the spinal cord as a caduceus coil? A caduceus coil is an electromagnetic coil that has electricity flowing in both directions. It is symbolized by 2 serpents winding around a tube (i.e., the AMA symbol). Could the spinal cord have some intrinsic relationship to the soul and the functioning of consciousness? If we look at the word "spinal", we can break off the "al" a the end and get the word SPIN. The word "spinal" is very close to the word SPIRAL. Maybe we could think of the BRAIN and SOUL as a computer system. A parallel "processing" computer. The brain could be the computer that the soul runs on or maybe we could call the soul/consciousness a CADUCEUS COMPUTER (just an idea).

I have also heard quite a bit about counter-rotating energy fields that possess a CERTAIN GEOMETRIC SHAPE (TETRAHEDRON). Supposedly these counter-rotating energy fields possess some kind of mathematical relationship between their individual rates of rotation. Also one field is usually (in the literature) said to be electric in nature and rotating to the right. The other is magnetic and rotating to the left. What would this correct rate or spin ratio between these 2 energy fields be? Could it have something to do with the PI ratio? Maybe the PHI ratio or the GOLDEN MEAN? If there was a 2:3 or 3:2 ratio, then that would be very close to the GOLDEN MEAN SPIRAL. Maybe something else?

Tetrahedronal energy fields. Resonant Rotating Field. Pentagonal energy fields.

Now maybe there is more than one kind of soul or consciousness. And not all humans are really the same "UNDERNEATH". Maybe some have different spiritual physics based on different patterns of energy, and the human body is merely a "suit" that is worn by different types of spiritual entities. The human BODY as a SUIT? Something worth thinking about.

SOME SPIRITUAL ENTITIES COULD POSSESS A TETRAHEDRONAL-BASED PHYSICS WHILE OTHERS COULD BASED ON THE DODECAHEDRON-PENTAGONAL based PHYSICS. Also, different types of spiritual entities could have souls based on different wavelengths of energy. Also, different biological types of humans or human looking beings may exist in our Universe or even within our own population on Earth. These different species may have different types or ALIEN souls. (There are two perfect tetrahedral in the Great Pyramid according to Bucky Fuller.
https://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com/2012/03/31/the-mysterious-crystal-sphere-of-atlantis/)

If we do possess a spiritual consciousness, why do we seem to have such "limited access" to it? Why don't any of us normal or average humans have access to our soul? How would one go about acquiring full access to this device? Are there certain wavelengths of brain activity or "window frequencies" that could facilitate such a task? Or is there something in the way from our environment? Perhaps all of the electromagnetic pollution in the 60-Hertz frequency range.

conk
9th March 2016, 19:13
I enjoyed the discussion you had with yourself on the other forum. haha. Many points of interest!

Feritciva
9th March 2016, 20:00
SOME SPIRITUAL ENTITIES COULD POSSESS A TETRAHEDRONAL-BASED PHYSICS WHILE OTHERS COULD BASED ON THE DODECAHEDRON-PENTAGONAL based PHYSICS. Also, different types of spiritual entities could have souls based on different wavelengths of energy. Also, different biological types of humans or human looking beings may exist in our Universe or even within our own population on Earth. These different species may have different types or ALIEN souls.



I believe this is a very very important point. I'd be really thankful if you - or any Avalonian - can suggest some sources (boks - websites etc.) to investigate this.

greybeard
9th March 2016, 20:01
Robert welcome to the forum.
Im surprised there is not more response to you excellent opening post.
All I can add is that there was a Horizon program on BBC about Yellow Stone Super Volcano---as part of that there was mention of quite a few near extinctions of the human race---Seems they could tell from several bottleneck in the female gene pull-- as best I remember.

You only have to look at the stones related to pyramids, some had the flower of life laser cut into them.
Nassim Haramein talked in depth on this.
There is no way that the civilization of that time had the technology to unaided buiid the Sphinx and Pyramids.
Frankly I don’t think aliens had anything to do with this, but survivors of an advanced race of humans who were nearly wiped out showed how to cut and transport stone, in a way that we cant match even today.

Chris

zen deik
10th March 2016, 03:27
Ecclesiastes 1,9 it's all been done before....

Robert Baird
10th March 2016, 15:44
Robert welcome to the forum.
Im surprised there is not more response to you excellent opening post.
All I can add is that there was a Horizon program on BBC about Yellow Stone Super Volcano---as part of that there was mention of quite a few near extinctions of the human race---Seems they could tell from several bottleneck in the female gene pull-- as best I remember.

You only have to look at the stones related to pyramids, some had the flower of life laser cut into them.
Nassim Haramein talked in depth on this.
There is no way that the civilization of that time had the technology to unaided buiid the Sphinx and Pyramids.
Frankly I don’t think aliens had anything to do with this, but survivors of an advanced race of humans who were nearly wiped out showed how to cut and transport stone, in a way that we cant match even today.

Chris
The Carolina Bays event in 8350 BPE almost wiped out humanity. No levitating rock explanation needed - poured in place and other methods of construction,

I explain it all - Haramein is a total con selling alien intervention. Yes, he occasionally gets a little correct.

The Egyptians did not build the Megaliths all over the world, their colonizers did. LOTS of actual proof. Flinders-Petrie even said it long ago.

The reason people do not respond to facts - is they are under the spell of a Paradigm and religion which supports EMPIRE. Empire is needed because people will not study - they love their ego. Thus a vicious circle which will result in wireless implanting SOON.

Bill Ryan
10th March 2016, 16:07
The Egyptians did not build the Megaliths all over the world, their colonizers did. LOTS of actual proof. Flinders-Petrie even said it long ago.



Yes, that's 100% correct. :thumbsup:

samildamach
10th March 2016, 17:08
I agree that many people will blindly run towards implanting they simply have no concept of there own sovernity and how precious it is.already companies are issuing implants to employees to access doors and photocopiers

samildamach
10th March 2016, 18:01
http://forum.world-mysteries.com/threads/1176-A-million-years-BEFORE-Atlantis!

Economics ends up as the final arbiter in so many arguments about how to plan for our future. If we don`t know our past how can we go forward. History is, as some wise man said - prologue to the present. We are lied to incessantly by high-falutin talking heads and we need a new broom or maybe a hammer. Not the expensive hammer that might cost thousands of bucks as the Golden Fleece award done by US Senator William Proxmire used to tell us about. Just a simple whack a mole mallet might even do. A good debate was held between C. H. Douglas and many dismal economists including John Maynard Keynes. I recommend it highly.

Have you heard Ted Turner wants to reduce the people on Earth BIG TIME. Yes, and guess who he doesn't want. It isn't just him. De-population has been done with vile intent many times and places. There is no One Pie and we can create many new pies. But we might just fail to get humanity together on this as Hawking says (We have just this century to survive if we do not colonize space.). And maybe we have reached a similar crossroads before on Earth. There are OOPARTS which are hard to explain such as a Cyborg (Prosthesis of a high degree and little more can be proven but it is possible the mind was interacting with the mechanics just as we now do.) from before 4,000 BCE and the Dropa stones from 9,000 years ago.

Given that we might have modern humans or at least civilized humans as much as 2,000,000 years ago - it is plain stupid to keep talking about just 10,000 years. Even if it is a million years of civilization we have all reason to think advancements in the very distant past far outstrip what we have been taught. I prefer this to alien intervention given the Prime Directive. (he-he)

This next link to Wikipedia is far closer to what I think is real. The researcher referred to has gone further and proposes up to ten species of hominids or variations have resulted. The Denisovan example (He is from near the cyborg and a mysterious concrete map covering many acres.) would prove his contention as would the Hobbit which may be connected to his Mungo people and which I found cliff drawings there which lead me to posit just that. I cannot say he has continued to develop these theories. I have seen him forced to back off some of what is said here - and I hope he continues his free-thinking research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Thorne

This article demonstrates the extent to which TV and academia lie to humanity.
It gets a lot right about Zahi Hawass.

http://www.tnetimes.com/article/244-verge-fall-dictator-among-egyptologists-zahi-hawass-edgar-cayce-pyramid-sphinx-bosnia-semir


My lady most adept was a Boddhisattva seeker like myself. She knew Bhakti, Tantra and Agni Yoga and how to abandon herself as well as bring it all under scrutiny in retrospect. In Tree of Life terms you could say she combined Hod and Kether even in her dance. Getty Lee saw it when she was part of his opening act under Jerry Manfredi (Doors) with his group Abraxas. Abraxas is an ancient Egyptian system for combining both ends of every topic or issue (Dialectics if you will).

And one of the places energy stores information is the soul according to research on the fruit fly recounted in this excerpt from a good book. But it is also in our genes which the Head of the Human Genome project (Dr. Collins) said when he said we have a history book in our genes. But not all information in that book is as simple and clear as the written word.

Recent research on our so-called junk DNA shows how electrical or magnetic fields variable and dynamic allow great attunement; and over time I believe, genetic information transfer. You could say the Earth Energy Grid and alchemical forms like the oroborous (the serpent with it's tail, seen by one researcher in this book and partial segment from this link) or caduceus seen all over the world in symbols is mirrored in our genes. Which came first? Did our thought impact our body just as we see in positive thinking and healing? Was it part of evolution? Some people are saying it is proof of God. Heaven may be within as Pope John Paul II said in 1999 and many mystics have said throughout written history and before. This book has Heaven in the title and draws all constructs from every religion into it - fairly and ecumenically. Will science teach us how to live in Brotherhood? No? This knowledge is ancient and manipulated throughout the ages, I say.

You might disagree and say yoga, astrology and other uses of it have never been this exact - and it may be true we have some proof here that is new but the old disciplines used it better than we are - if you consider what Futurescape demonstrates we are about to do in manipulation of the World Mind by making people into tools to soulfully achieve a 'Matrix' - the movie. The Verbal Tradition may have started before the species began to speak. As far as our genetic history book - I think it did. I have said it was in the Akashic and collective since we were apes - for many years. I referred to animal clicking noises as a language in interviews kept here at W-M. The porpoise communicates with similar sounds and humans had sign languages as well. That qabala or verbal tradition is very old to say the least. Guess who kept the Verbal Tradition in most cultures - the poets or bards - BRDs - my family.

The following quote comes from Stealthskater and links in his material which I have posted here. The caduceus may be older than Egypt and along with the Ankh (see Pavlita Generators) may have allowed many ancient secret technologies including VRIL connections to Pentagon Dodecahedron Earth Energy which is mirrored outside our atmosphere.

What about the chakras or vortices of energy (or "wheels of lights") that are described in New Age literature as well as (supposedly?) ancient VEDIC_ARYAN literature of the Far East? I have read in one book about the soul being described as a TUBE that runs along the axis of the spine and has certain areas or NODES of ACTIVITY where these spinning wheels of energy are located. SUPPOSEDLY when all of these wheels are spinning in the right directions and at the correct rate of rotation,, there is an ENERGY SPIRAL or FLOW that is achieved that can bring about or is pure consciousness. Is there a correct spin ratio between chakras that would allow full consciousness to be achieved? How would an ordinary human go about attaining these correct spin ratios? Would all of these spinning vortices need to be aligned and spinning at the same speed?

I wonder if these concepts are also related to the idea of the spinal cord as a caduceus coil? A caduceus coil is an electromagnetic coil that has electricity flowing in both directions. It is symbolized by 2 serpents winding around a tube (i.e., the AMA symbol). Could the spinal cord have some intrinsic relationship to the soul and the functioning of consciousness? If we look at the word "spinal", we can break off the "al" a the end and get the word SPIN. The word "spinal" is very close to the word SPIRAL. Maybe we could think of the BRAIN and SOUL as a computer system. A parallel "processing" computer. The brain could be the computer that the soul runs on or maybe we could call the soul/consciousness a CADUCEUS COMPUTER (just an idea).

I have also heard quite a bit about counter-rotating energy fields that possess a CERTAIN GEOMETRIC SHAPE (TETRAHEDRON). Supposedly these counter-rotating energy fields possess some kind of mathematical relationship between their individual rates of rotation. Also one field is usually (in the literature) said to be electric in nature and rotating to the right. The other is magnetic and rotating to the left. What would this correct rate or spin ratio between these 2 energy fields be? Could it have something to do with the PI ratio? Maybe the PHI ratio or the GOLDEN MEAN? If there was a 2:3 or 3:2 ratio, then that would be very close to the GOLDEN MEAN SPIRAL. Maybe something else?

Tetrahedronal energy fields. Resonant Rotating Field. Pentagonal energy fields.

Now maybe there is more than one kind of soul or consciousness. And not all humans are really the same "UNDERNEATH". Maybe some have different spiritual physics based on different patterns of energy, and the human body is merely a "suit" that is worn by different types of spiritual entities. The human BODY as a SUIT? Something worth thinking about.



This is were spirtuallity meets science .ref down the rabbit hole were many of the world's leading quantum physicists theorize that consciousness may well reside outside of the meat body in a universal field linked in through the spinal antenna .while kundeliny teaches and I can personally vouch for the four chakras which reside outside and above the head held in a cylinder cone of energy.I would speculate that they are linked possibly a power boost to broadcasting and receiving information.
While I speculate on what these chakras are for I can vouch for the fact they excist.

greybeard
10th March 2016, 18:05
Robert welcome to the forum.
Im surprised there is not more response to you excellent opening post.
All I can add is that there was a Horizon program on BBC about Yellow Stone Super Volcano---as part of that there was mention of quite a few near extinctions of the human race---Seems they could tell from several bottleneck in the female gene pull-- as best I remember.

You only have to look at the stones related to pyramids, some had the flower of life laser cut into them.
Nassim Haramein talked in depth on this.
There is no way that the civilization of that time had the technology to unaided buiid the Sphinx and Pyramids.
Frankly I don’t think aliens had anything to do with this, but survivors of an advanced race of humans who were nearly wiped out showed how to cut and transport stone, in a way that we cant match even today.

Chris
The Carolina Bays event in 8350 BPE almost wiped out humanity. No levitating rock explanation needed - poured in place and other methods of construction,

I explain it all - Haramein is a total con selling alien intervention. Yes, he occasionally gets a little correct.

The Egyptians did not build the Megaliths all over the world, their colonizers did. LOTS of actual proof. Flinders-Petrie even said it long ago.

The reason people do not respond to facts - is they are under the spell of a Paradigm and religion which supports EMPIRE. Empire is needed because people will not study - they love their ego. Thus a vicious circle which will result in wireless implanting SOON.

You may be correct regarding poured in place however that does not cover the massive stones found in quarries, cut into obelisk shape, massive weight that we could not lift today.
My knowledge is superficial.

Regards Chris

Sunny-side-up
10th March 2016, 19:04
I see that we and or our ancestors have been here on the Globe for a very long time.
We have grown and risen to great heights of knowledge/technical skills and spiritual prowess.
But! For some-reason we have fallen and or moved on many times as well.
We (Apart from a few over seers) here and now have forgotten most of it but have far too many clues for us to be blind to this planets past.

The best clue in my sight is not the size and mathematical complexities of some clues but, there placing and spacing around the world.
Said placing also adds to the mathematical knowledge in that they show they, the builders knew of special geometry's and energies of the planet/planets.


We have been here an unimaginable length of time. I could quite well believe that the first of us on this planet grew to such heights that they actually left (either by physical/mechanical and or metaphsical/spiritual means), they left so long ago that they have become the beings we see here and call visitors, they are here sitill, beings we call ET's

Robert Baird
10th March 2016, 19:35
Yes, they did "one of"s by quarrying such things as porticos and obelisks, The chipped rock and malachite plus Natron made the geopolymerized pyramid rock. Then they also had laser light measurement (see Archimedes) and possibly ultrasound per Chris Dunn.

All explainable with common sense - no need for BS.

The Ba'albek huge rocks left in quarries or the ones on mountains in the Andes and how they made them earthquake proof require more techniques and methods which also are explainable.

Robert Baird
10th March 2016, 19:40
Dear S

I am addressing much more invasive and without consent WIRELESS implants of thoughts.

On the chakra front I am not a harmonics engineer I have been project manager on alternative ISDN tech so I am not totally off base. I agree with the word 'antennae' and refer you to VRIL power and Tesla - see Pine Gap. It is part of the network being put in place by 2020 to do remote access to your mind and control even(according to Futurescape) the World Mind. I have been involved in the research since 1982 when I had a partner who had the helmet work involvement, and before that I was into what goes on at FRNM and such. That attenuation is more the spiritual you refer to - at - one - ment for the religious or Logos approach to the Lost Chord Tesla saw in Revelations.

Mandala
11th March 2016, 02:24
Welcome Robert. Hearty post, thank you. Look forward to reading more.