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Eram

17th March 2016, 18:08

Good day folks,

In the past two days, I have finally taken the time to watch Nassim Haramein's presentation about "Crossing The Event Horizon".
Interesting stuff, but I have to be realistic about my abilities to check any of his claims on their tenability.
Way over my head. ;)

So, what's the fuss about then?

Well, both Drunvalo and Nassim use the star tetrahedron in combination with grids of spheres as an important pillar and message in their work.
http://www.ascensionnow.co.uk/uploads/6/8/0/0/6800211/840918907.jpg?263
http://www.encroach.net/images/sacred_geometry/flower_of_life_geometry/flower_of_ife_transparent.png

Since I've studied most of Drunvalo's teachings, books and interviews way back, some 15 years ago, this was a reason for me to pay some extra attention to Nassim's presentation, because I was interested to learn how he got notice of Drunvalo's work and how it inspired him to incorporate it into his own studies. I took this for granted, since Nassim was still a boy when Drunvalo first started to come out with his information about the star tetrahedron and the grids of spheres (1984).

Ok, this is where it gets interesting:
According to Nassim, he first had ideas about sphere's and later triangles to create star tetrahedrons when he visited the Mexican pyramid Chichen Itza.
He got his inspiration, while doing a meditation on top of the pyramid.
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh138/beatlo/Equinox/Equinox-ChichenItza_zpsfaaead47.jpg

Wow!!!
This is amazing.

So here we have two man who claim to have come up with the tetrahedron/sphere info apart from each other.
That is certainly strange... but.. not unique maybe.
There have been earlier accounts of people who were working on the same invention at about the same time.
Still, if you take into consideration that this is a very, very particular set of information, you might get suspicious at this point.

But wait, hold on.
It gets more crazy then this.

- Drunvalo had this whole thing built around this particular pyramid in Chichen Itza.
He even had workshops in which he took people over there to do meditations and wrote a book in which he talks about this pyramid in great length (The serpent of the light).

- Both Nassim and Drunvalo talk about crop circles and they both mention Dug and Dave (the first men to have confessed to make some fake crop circles)

- Both Nassim and Drunvalo talk about the tetrahedron and the spheres in connection to ancient civilizations.

- Both Nassim and Drunvalo talk about a particular set of spheres that is supposed to have been burnt into the atomic structure in some pyramid somewhere. They both say this exact thing (and it is not even true, it is not burnt into the atomic structure)!!

Yet.... there is no information that I know of, even now, that they know each other and or each others work.
If any of you can point me to information that says otherwise, please do so.

So here we have two people with this specific information that act as if they do not know each other, have had their separate unique ways to obtain this information and are linked in other (some of them incredibly unlikely by chance) subjects of their teachings.

Some years ago, I had my own waking up to the fact that Drunvalo Melchizedek made a lot of claims that are now verifiable untrue, some of them very bizarre.
I even think that it might have been Drunvalo who was the first to come up with the 2012 event, by which the whole planet would jump from 3th to 5th dimension (Is there someone who has information to the contrary?)

In retrospect, I am pretty convinced that Drunvalo might be a part of a psy op.
Perhaps in some of my next posts in this thread I will go deeper into that, but for now I will only say this:
After watching the "Crossing The Event Horizon" presentation from Nassim Haramein, it seems to me as if Drunvalo and Nassim Haramein had some sort of training in the same classroom and were told the exact same information, some of it with specific details, which they memorized and then set out into the world to spread this information.

I know that some of you here in Avalon hold Haramein in high esteem and I respect that. Still, I feel that I have to share my thoughts on the subject and invite others to participate with their own input.

greybeard

17th March 2016, 19:04

I think somewhere is this video is a picture of the flower of life reputed to be laser burnt into stone/not part of a pyramid
I haven’t watched for some years but the video is interesting and he makes sense in part anyway
Chris

Who built the Pyramids? Nassim Haramein presents copious extensive evidence that the traditional view is false,

Was there a pre-ice age civilization?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N7eARbAJmA

greybeard

17th March 2016, 19:09

I enjoyed this video of Nassim

Im not defending--or taking sides--I just dont know.

Chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fltvUTDOcSw

WhiteLove

17th March 2016, 19:10

I am familiar with both of their work, have gone through Nassim's equations and have also studied Drunvalo's ideas.

There are several things to point out. Both of these guys are well read into the ancient history, conspiracies, theories, spirituality, religion, disclosure, Egypt, UFOs etc. Both of them are also much into science and physics. So some of this common pattern lies in their search for truth/information/knowledge within a shared pool of research ground.

I find that sometimes Drunvalo is asked a question and the answer is just made up there and then, sometimes it might be true, sometimes it might be false. But I think he is coming from the heart a lot, which means whether it is true or not in real/relative reality terms might be just one dimension of the knowledge among several, and might just serve a limited meaning of the message as a whole. Please remember that we are all in this together, we share roughly the same kinds of polarities. Our awakening is about how much in our current reality that we think is true but is not and vice versa, how much we think have fixed boundaries but don't...

So the bottom line is that at this time we are not in full truth, we are roughly at the same levels of truth, knowing roughly equally much when it comes to very deep knowledge and share reality from that perspective. This is why one must be incredibly humble as a truth seeker, because even the fact that one think one knows more than others can carry negative polarity because it might in absolute terms not be true.

But what I am finding is that the underlying orchestration within the manifestation process comes from a level of absolute truth about how things are. This has been one of my most profound awakening insights, the fact that in the fabric behind physical manifestation there is a force that sees and acts upon total truth. Herein lies the incredible miracle of creation, that the force of infinite truth is behind all of what we experience.

I find they are both great teachers!

TargeT

17th March 2016, 19:42

I think somewhere is this video is a picture of the flower of life reputed to be laser burnt into stone/not part of a pyramid
I haven’t watched for some years but the video is interesting and he makes sense in part anyway
Chris

In the movie Thrive Nassim Haramein says, at 16:32 of the film, that the “Flower of Life” design at the Osirian Temple in Abydos, Egypt is “burned into the atomic structure of the rock in some extraordinary way!” Neither Haramein nor anyone else provides a single shred of substantiation for this claim. (I forgot to add we know it's stained with an "ink" and it has greek lettering, placing it around 1AD)

Nassim likes to jump to conclusions and his math is very very fuzzy.... I used to be into his stuff but upon deep inspection he's not a trustworthy source; far too many unsubstantiated claims and conclusions.

As far as physics goes his theories on the videos are just conclusion leap after conclusion leap.

He IS super charismatic though, easy to listen to.

Eram

17th March 2016, 20:20

Red Skywalker

17th March 2016, 20:49

I studied Drunvalo's books way back in 1990 en part 2 came out in 1991. Nassam was far later.

At first I had no clue about the meaning of this geometry talk. But after almost 25 years I know the geometry is about the structure of time space. Time space is crystalline according to the 'best sphere packing'. It's also Absolute Cold, 0 Kelvin up to the quantum level, and still is. It can never be heated up. That's why reality is an illusion. But why we see a realty? That can be explained when digging into 'sacred geometry' what is 'the best sphere packing'.

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(sample from one of my presentations. BTW, stopped with that for making a new one)

Why still looking at fire-energy instead of the greater absorption force of infinite Absolute Coldness?

I am still working out the complete explanation but you can explain everything with it. It explains the way 'ufo's' work, where they get their energy from and why they can do as they do. Next it explains 'Time" and why consciousness is part and needed for the creation of (multiple) realities. Also all can be fit into, or better, add to present science without the need for something mysterious. Though, what is the origin of electrical charge? Nobody knows, it's the nightmares question to any scientist. But that's this whole thing about!
Read "the electrical universe", but include also resulting magnetism.
Once you get a clue from what both these teachers try to understand, it's mind blowing.
That's at this moment still a problem for me, every time I see some other, imo incomplete theory, I want to contact the scientist to tell them how they can see simplicity in their theory. But I cannot get through.

For this thread I say only this, thanks to Drunvalo and Nassim for giving me an understanding of your works, resulting in a greater personal view and understanding of this place I seemed to be stranded. :sherlock:

greybeard

17th March 2016, 21:40

More on the Flower of Life on the link

I found The information that TargeT gave saying that the image was painted.
There is more information on the link--there does not seem to be a definitive answer as to painted or burned.
However I think what is important is that the Flower of Life symbol is found all over the world.

Chris

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/12/10/the-secret-to-how-the-universe-works-lies-within-this-geometrical-pattern-what-is-the-flower-of-life/

greybeard

17th March 2016, 21:45

Spirit Science 6 ~ Flower of Life (FIXED) Hidden deep within our past, lies a secret that has been long forgotten. There have been various organizations throughout history that have protected its secret, The Masons for example have done just that. What are we talking about? It's the ancient secret of the Flower of Life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss1ajWeY_wc

waves

17th March 2016, 21:46

Eram, I love when people offer the dots they've connected, thank you, good work. I forget exactly what now, but I too have come across very good arguments against Drunvalo's validity and hypocrisy's about his 'coming from the heart' so much so that I avoid it now. I'm on the fence about Nassim, I'd sure like to hear a chat between he and Tom Campbell. But my main point is that you can also throw Stewart Swerdlow into the mix with a star tetrahedron absolutely centrai to his story - then no one else is anywhere near everything else he adds to it in great great depth, it's really odd.

Thanks again.

seah

18th March 2016, 01:00

It's interesting what you present OP. Nassim was my first real introduction into new physics. I like his style, he keeps me engaged and I actually grasp most of the material. I appreciated the way he pocked holes into established science and the fantasies they were firm on, like the Giza pyramid being built with pulleys and ramps. I read the Flower of Life many years ago and took it with a grain of salt.
I don't have an opinion whether there is a connection between the two which they are keeping secret or not, or if Nassim's material is made suspect because of the similarity, but I am clear on what the significance of anything relating to sacred geometry, and that is that it is the template and building blocks for creating worlds such as the one we live in.

lunaflare

18th March 2016, 03:45

I always wondered about Drunvalo's name change and association with Melchizedek -the line of Priesthood from the Abrahamic Religion. As I understand it, the man now renamed Drunvalo died as a young man (his spirit) and another soul entered his body.
Is Nassim Haramein Jewish? Is there a link here too?

Eram, can you elaborate upon your thoughts of both D and N being agents. For whom and for what purpose?

http://www.kabalatalisman.com/flower-of-life/

Eram

18th March 2016, 08:41

Apparently, much of the reactions revolve around the yes or no validity of the sacred geometry and the theories that Nassim presents us with.
All understandable, but this is really not what I want to discuss in this thread.
As far as I'm concerned, this theory affords for a deeper and maybe better (more complete) explanation of the matrix (Universe) that we live in.
Let's just set this aside for a moment and focus on the issue that I raised here.

If you watch from 1:08:30 in the first part of the presentation below, you can see how he links his Eureka moment of the spheres and the tetrahedrons to his visit at the Pyramid of chitzen itza.
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It just so happens that the only other major player (Drunvalo) in the "new age" movement who also talks about this "sacred geometry" has made a really big fuss about this particular pyramid.
He talks about it in interviews, writes about it in a book and organized workshops there.

Please take note of the fact that this is an extraordinary, deeply connected link between these two people.

Yet both of them, do as far as my research shows, not know each other, talk about each other, recognize each others works or anything to that nature.

What does it mean?
I'm not really sure, but it proves to me that there is more going on then meets the eye.

If you want to deduct from this connection that somehow, this pyramid is some sort of generator or stimulator for this kind of knowledge (Nassim visits the place and the inspiration that lead him to this knowledge just sprang out the ground and entered his mind), go ahead, but I happen to be a little more of a cynic and skeptic.

When I watched this presentation by Nassim, I often had the very distinct impression of seeing a con artist at work.

The information about the ancient geometry and the theories that he presents might turn out to be true to some extend, but I cannot believe that he is the creator of this theory.
I picked up way too many signals that say otherwise.

This very odd connection between Drunvalo and Nassim might be a key to solve this puzzle.

To me at least, it proves that there is something fishy going on.

Eram

18th March 2016, 09:55

About Drunvalo being a fraud and liar:

There are things that I discovered myself in a variety of ways, but this story, that is supposed to come from one of his early close associates exposes Drunvalo in a way that I could not do myself:

source: http://www.hipforums.com/forum/topic/456066-drunvalo-melchizedek-is-a-fraud/

This was sent into the Flower of Life Office at a time when Drunvalo and Bob Dratch were having conflicts with each other. This individual wrote in and was stating how deceived we all were by Dru and how if we knew his history would be shocked. I cannot vouch for the actual incidents in here cause I was not there, however Drunvalo’s character and repeating patterns and habits are soooo similar to what is happening today in and around our court events.

Below is a personal statement from an eyewitness to the beginning of Drunvalo Melchizedek's career. They have asked that they remain anonymous. This is a professional person and author that I have known for many years. --xxx

Original email received by xxx on 6 November 2002
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Hi xxx:
Here is a rendering of my years with Drunvalo. As you can see, it is of two levels. The first is a surface story, the later part is analysis and background. I am quite able to stand on the factual nature of every statement. However, I am not desirous of having my name attached to this as of yet, as I am seeking to build credibility by my own work, not as someone who let Drunvalo's cat out of the bag. If this can be shared in a discreet fashion, with people who need to know, I am OK with that. I am not sure how you can reassure me that this will not be made public, as we all know how email can propagate, even innocently.

[xxx adds: The author's name, and certain identifying details have been deleted from this version.]

Like Winter, Bernard Perona's (Drunvalo Melchizedek's) tale is long and weird. I believe these guys are ill and unlikely to be motivated by much other than their own greed and insecurity, their twisted pasts and tortured dreams. Unfortunately, they have found willing audiences in the New Age, among people who want to find something wrong with everything they have been taught before. The audiences are willing dupes, taken in by these reptilian-minded men. They are sad cases, really, very lost and insightless.

I hope this can be of some help. If it is too much, let me know what you need and I will see how to shorten it. It needs context to make it believable, which is why I have written this as I have. Yikes, what a long strange tale it is....and it ain't over yet. (wan smile) Hope you are doing very well,

[Name deleted as per request]
~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here is a bit of the tale:
I have had the odd distinction of having been present when a number of unusual events happened in the last 30+ years, and have played some small roles in them. Here I relate some details relating to one such era… I am very familiar with a time in the lives of Drunvalo Melchizedek, Bob Dratch and others. I worked closely with them for about 5 years. Thru this association I was introduced to many folks whose names you may recognize: Dan Winter, Stan Tenen, Slim Spurling, Mary Caroline Meadows, Gregg Braden, Glen Rein, the HeartMath mob (Lew Childres), Adam Trombly, Doug Gunton and a host of others. Some still have my admiration. Most do not. Spin Doctors...except for Tenen, Trombly and Braden, each is responsible for many years of confusion in many people's lives. And of them all, only Tenen has remained above suspicion entirely, in my opinion.

We begin:
I met Akbar, as he was known then, when a third party I will call B, introduced us. B had shown me a strange wire sculpture, a folding star that spun and wove a weird energy in the air. I asked where it came from and B offered to introduce me to the man who had given it to him. We met in a school bus outside of Taos, where Akbar lived. He had a small sewing machine repair business in the outskirts of Taos, where he had moved after living some years at the Lama Foundation. He showed us some drawings, talked about the wire sculpture-thing and offered to teach me a meditation about it, if I would promise to bring another person to learn it with me.
(B. and I) encouraged Akbar to gather his work into a curriculum. We helped him hone it, and helped him when he chose to move farther out of town to set up a school. We helped with the bills and visited often, setting things in motion.

B moved all of his belongings to the school and took up residence, and I kept working thru a divorce and the sale of my home in Colorado, planning to move to the new school. We convened a group of friends, kindred spirits, to focus energy into the founding of our new school and to work out a name for it. About 40 showed up. As we went around the circle, each describing our dreams for the school, some common themes came out. I still have my notes from that meeting.......

When it got to Akbar, he said he had something important to tell us. He announced then that he was no longer Akbar, but Drunvalo Melchizedek, that he was a walk-in who had stepped into the body of a man who had been killed in an alchemical experiment in Canada. He was taking over
the life of Akbar, and would appreciate it if we would refer to him from then on as Drunvalo. He then told us the school was to be called The Naakal Mystery School. He said the Naakals were the warrior/scholar/priests of Atlantis who spread the teachings of Atlantis around the world as it was disappearing under the waves.

We were all a bit taken aback by this peremptory style and the seeming overtaking of our democratic process, but the name for the school seemed like a good one, and we all agreed to proceed. Drunvalo was in his element. He was high on making new plans, and decided to buy the property next door, divide it up and sell lots to friends, thus affording a lot for himself. He said he was under orders from his Egyptian Guide to build an underground house to withstand the
coming planetary destruction, and he wanted to live with his friends there. He offered to hire me to build his house for him. I had been a commercial woodworker, furniture designer/craftsman and all around wood wizard for many years and this was a tantalizing offer. I finally sold the house in Colorado and moved to New Mexico, to build his underground house for him.

I moved to Garcia, a small town nearby, and began working on Drunvalo's house site. Several weeks into the project, I was walking between the site and the school offices, about 300 yards, and I came upon a large rattlesnake, lying across the path. We had dealt with an abundance of snakes that summer, disposing of them by picking them up on a shovel, dropping them in a five-gallon bucket and quickly closing the lid on them. We would then drive them to a location far from houses and release them.

I was not scared, as I had had many encounters with them in the days of my desert wanderings, so I stopped, watched and eventually sat down by the snake. He curled up under a sagebrush, very tense, watching and flicking his tongue to taste the volatile oils of my body that were in the air. Rattlesnakes can't hear you, but can feel you and "see" your scent, and they can 'see' your heat. This one could tell I wasn't dangerous, so he gradually relaxed. I sat quietly, watching, observing his breathing, and trying to match it. His head swung slowly back and forth, tongue flickering and waving but became finally still. He lowered his head, and lay still. At that moment, Drunvalo came upon me, sitting. He asked what I was doing, and I pointed to the snake.

He exclaimed and grabbed a steel post. He said, "We have to start killing them all! We can't let these snakes hurt anyone!" With that, he smashed the post down, stabbing the snake behind its head. He stomped and stabbed until the head came off, the body torn and bleeding, writhing in the dust.

The body continued to writhe. Squirming mindlessly, it twisted over and over.

I was stunned. Shocked, I could say nothing. Drunvalo told me to come in the house for lunch.....

After lunch I went home, very disturbed by what I had seen. I stopped off at the house that Drunvalo was living in, up the road, to see his girlfriend. She had asked me to stop by to discuss something important, but hadn't told me what it was about.

When she saw me, she knew something was bothering me, and asked what it was. I told her about the snake incident, and she gasped. She was horrified, angry. She had told Drunvalo that the snake situation was important, that we must treat all the snakes with reverence, and that she took a personal interest in protecting the snakes. She was furious. She told me she had asked me to stop by to propose that I be nominated, by her, to be the Supervisor of the Naakal Mystery School. She said she felt there were too many problems between Drunvalo and B, who by this time was living at the school, in the bus that Drunvalo had been living in when I met him, and that someone needed to be an intermediary. She felt that I was the most likely person for the job, since both respected me, I was living nearby, and had played an important role so far. I was a bit taken aback and also very proud of this sudden turn of events. Perhaps the snake represented a past that was being shed, and a passage from fear to freedom, a release of a primal energy into a new, higher form.

As I drove home to Garcia, I was filled with a powerful mixture of feelings. I had started off befriending the snake, overcoming all natural fears, moving with a sort of pure grace into relationship with a deadly adversary. Then, a cherished friend betrayed me, my new symbolic relationship and a whole set of dreams, by the senseless mutilation and killing of an innocent. From that, I was offered a position that was like the culmination of all my dreams. One day... Up, down, Up again..... Could I let the lesson of the snake be lost? Could I allow the plainly unaware, stupid actions of Drunvalo go un-noticed? The life of the snake was merged into my own. I was the reason it stopped, I was the one who pointed him out. I had been entranced by his beauty, his pure snake self. I could not let his death go for naught....

On reflection, and then discussing things with B, I came to see the situation in a clear but distressing light. B, whom I trust implicitly, lives by the Golden Rule. He gives where is need. He trusts completely in the cycle of life, that whatever he gives will eventually be returned. He trusts the flow, and he begins each relationship with trust. If he has come to distrust you, it is because the trust he originally gave you has been destroyed. Drunvalo, on the other hand, was convinced that by serving his needs well, creatively and completely, he would have such a surplus he could afford to give much away. He was capable of living simply, so he could give much to others once there was enough. He was not forthcoming, with trust, with intimacy or the personal parts of a human life. He was impersonal, distant. One had to earn his trust, if at all. His claim to being a walk-in was put in a new light. He was different than we were, his values seemed strange. He was walking his talk, alright…

These are two antithetical lifestyles, yet the two of them were trying to work and live side by side. B was committed to the idea that the school itself was the teaching, and that it should demonstrate all the points we were teaching, about a new relationship to the earth. We should have gardens, beauty, grace, sustainability, economic communalism. Much of B's time was spent on working on gardens, recycling systems, kitchen management, maintenance tasks and general improvements to everything.

He was contributing to the growth of the school by his endless lists of contacts, bringing them to the school for 3 day seminars. He was the one who lined up the food for the classes, made sure the firewood was cut, fixed the tankless hot water heater, got flat tires fixed in town, and all the endless chores of living remote. He also arranged for the building of a kiva/sweatlodge, a magical half underground round room with a firepit in the middle and wide adobe benches in a circle around the walls, a wonderful space for us to dream, meditate and teach.

Drunvalo spent his days on the phone, writing, meditating or entertaining the many visitors. Especially the female visitors....there are many women who were taken to his bed, whose lives were made turbulent by his cold and impersonal search for a female companion. It was sad scene to those of us who watched…

Drunvalo was, according to him, a master of "Egyptian Tantra", a secret system of sexual energy control that was part of the Atlantean legacy. He taught vague ideas around the subject, and a few clear meditation images, and was thinking of offering special classes in this. Many of the women who came were invited to his bed. He was searching, and finally had invited one to live with him several months earlier. She had invited me to consider being the Supervisor of the school....

I was nominated, accepted and installed as Supervisor. Drunvalo and I had been working for some time on a system for him to have slides of his images, the basic teachings about the geometric forms, that he could project onto the rear of a screen, that would show through, so he could be in front of it to talk. I had loaned him a camera, helped him locate the sources for the rear-projection system, and helped photograph the images one of my close friends had drawn for him. B had done his usual magic, contacting people in California, setting up a series of workshops for Drunvalo.

He set off in his trusty Volkswagen camper, to do several weeks of engagements, as fully prepared as we could help him to be. I settled into the quagmire of taxes, the situation of the school and its sales tax reporting, and the income taxes for the school which had never been filed in two years of existence. It was a mess, and a lot of tiny scraps of receipts and check stubs had to be sorted out and made into a report. It was the least favorite of all occupations for my time that I could think of, but the house building was on hold until Drunvalo could return with money to continue.

Upon Drunvalo's return, we had a meeting. We congratulated him on his successful trip, the reports of his classes were glowing, the people very excited by what they had heard from him. When we asked him how much money had been earned, he told us he had $15,000 in cash from the trip! We were excited....we could pay some outstanding bills, make some improvements to some necessary things, and do more classes. I gave them my report on the taxes, telling them I was only the preparer, and was not going to sign the documents, since I was not involved in the management of the corporation during the time covered by the report. The name on the corporation papers was Drunvalo's (Bernard Perona). B told of his work on various projects, and prospects for the next series of classes.

At that point, Drunvalo quietly told us that we were mistaken in thinking that we were going to spend any of the money on Naakal, that he had earned the money, and it was his. He was planning on hiring a professional builder to finish his house, and he had no intention of signing the tax report. With that, it all dissolved. We could hardly believe our ears. We had been betrayed. There was nothing to be done at that point, but find a way out. In the end, he signed the tax papers. B packed his things onto a truck and moved to land his family owned, about 100 miles away. He had moved his entire lifetime of collections to Naakal to be part of the school. He had committed himself and his assets, and was now out of the picture. Drunvalo went on to make entirely unfounded public accusations against me and B. He told public gatherings that we were agents of the government, drug dealers, and he had had to banish us from his list of friends. We were both damaged by these lies, but did not want to contend with his madness anymore.

I reeled about for a while, dizzy from the turn of events. I had been on a high since the day of the snake, walking with purpose in every step, powerfully aware of the life that had been given on the day of my stepping into my role, my supervisory role of a school of ancient mysteries....

Eventually Drunvalo sold the property to Gregg Braden, who had been a student. When it was sold, Drunvalo made off with the $35,000 down payment funds that had been supplied by friends of B's and mine, when the property was originally purchased. He never would pay it back,refusing when confronted, making up a story that he had been relieved of the debt verbally, in a conversation that had never happened.....

Now, some background details that have come to light since those days: Drunvalo Melchizedek is mentally ill, in my opinion. He suffers from a New Age disease, perhaps identifiable in traditional psychology (split personality disorder? Multiple personality disorder?). He claims to be a "walk-in". He sees himself as not responsible for anything he does as Drunvalo, since that is a 13th dimensional being of the Order of Alpha and Omega of the Melchizedek lineage, who has overshadowed his personality. He claims to have died in a failed alchemical accident in 1972 and was entered into by DM. He has told me, face to face, many times over, that he cannot be held responsible for what DM does. He told me in September, 1997, that he could not recall actions of his own, often only 20 minutes later. He then demonstrated this by trying to steal a portion of my life's work while standing right behind my chair, less than twenty minutes later. This happened after apologizing profusely, and apparently sincerely to me, while on his knees next to my chair in a public dining room.

I recall his pride in being so powerful that he could have conversations with Lucifer and all of the dark hordes. On several occasions he led us as a group into dark realms, causing on one memorable occasion a near catastrophic whirlwind on a calm day, when windows were blown open, animals outside ran around screeching and neighing in terror and chaos was set loose. After about five minutes of this, Drunvalo calmly led us into a new part of his experimental Group Merkabah, and everything returned immediately to calm. The winds stopped, the animals returned to their normal activities.

He claimed to have helped to restore the Angel of Light, Lucifer, to his former status as the First Son of God, by special ceremonies he had conducted in Egypt and the South Pacific, where he claimed to have done rituals that re-balanced the planet, making it once more a Sacred World, now that Lucifer was redeemed.

Let's put his story in perspective:
He was a live-in student at the Lama Foundation for years, where the ISC was (Intensive Studies Center). This was a sufi repository of texts and manuscripts built around an amazing library (since destroyed by fire....). He was among some heavies there. It is likely that he gained access to some ancient texts while there, and began assembling his story of divine revelation. What he was working with is described as dangerous in the original literature, for good reason. The Catholic Inquisition was set in motion centuries ago to root out this very set of teachings, as it was making people go mad, setting Satan loose…

He left there in some kind of upset that I never got to the bottom of. He took up residence in a school bus, where he was discovered by B. He claimed to be in direct contact with a 35,000 year old, still-living being named Chik-U-Tet or Thoth, who was transmitting to him a series of lessons he was to give to the world. He also claimed to have been given the Masonic Keys by a mysterious visitor and the Metatron's Cube wire-model by a stranded ET whom he helped return home.

All this was compounded into his Flower of Life teachings, which we now know are nothing but a hodgepodge of stolen, irresponsible and incomplete meditation techniques that he cobbled together with amateur geometry and claimed to be an inspired revelation from an unquestionable source.

He always maintained that he had no problem with sharing his work with all sides, all agencies, all types of people, that the work was so powerful in itself it would not be possible for it to be abused. He taught that Lucifer had been healed, in part due to his (Drunvalo's) intervention and mediation, had been forgiven, and was now on the side of good, working to restore what he had damaged. And that ALL aliens are good and not to be feared....

And he is a pathological liar, incessantly remaking his stories, embroidering more fanatsies onto the robe with which he surrounds truth. There are two "tectonic plates" in his being, and they don't meet well. He is a sick man, also charming and polite, who is dangerous on many levels, having used the resources of many to aid his own personal agendas. He is supremely selfish....His many abandoned children could tell the story....

If we look at the activities of the last five years, only a few of them, all public, will reveal something of the man. He was involved with a man named Slim Sperling and another named Bob Dratch for a while. Drunvalo claimed that they had created a set of devices that cleared the atmosphere of all pollution, and attested in public that this had been done under government auspices and a test had been done in Mexico City, where a wall of pollution could be seen as it boiled against the force field of their instruments. Many other claims were made, such as a reduction in crime in Denver as a result of their experiments, and many people were induced to buy these devices.

Then it all began to fall apart, as people discovered they had been duped. Drunvalo retracted it all, ended his relationship with Sperling and Dratch and they now refuse to answer any questions about the episode. Another story: in the last few years Drunvalo took the story of the Kogi Indians of South America and tried to make advantage for himself out of them. They are a weird tribe who practice a fascist-type feudalism with slaves and cocaine eating priests who were made famous by a pseudo documentary.

Drunvalo began claiming he was being taught by them to communicate without words, across any distance. Drunvalo asked for financial support for his work, which he assured his followers was going to be made available to them all and would save the world. Eventually, as you will see if you visit his web sites, Drunvalo claimed that he was not going to talk about any of this any more "to protect the Kogi" and asked that no one visit them in any attempt to verify anything he had said, as this would make things difficult for the Kogi. In other words, Drunvalo had been caught out in another lie.

And one final bit:
I am a close friend of his personal assistant for many years. She was fired by Drunvalo when she confronted him for misusing non-profit funds. A few weeks after her removal, Drunvalo forged her signature on a check and put more non-profit money into his own accounts. This came under FBI investigation, and may still be under investigation. [Tenen adds: I can verify this. I spoke with Melchizedek's wife of the time this incident occurred, and she confirmed this information independently. Also, because of our ongoing lawsuit against Mr. Daniel Winter, Cynthia and I were in communication with this personal assistant of Melchizedek's both just before, and just after, she left or was fired. Until I read this email, I did not know that the author of this personal statement knew these facts.]

Drunvalo is the type of man who claims that any legal actions against him are inspired by dark forces trying to keep the truth from being told. He is a dyed-in-the-wool conspiracist, believing that anyone who opposes him is an agent of dark forces.

It is odd that the man who says that there are no dark forces anymore, that Lucifer is abroad and is a good guy now, and that invites anyone of any type or motivation to delve deeply into his stolen teachings without concern for how they might use it, to claim that he is under suspicion, not for illegal acts, but for "trying to tell the truth".

His association with Dan Winter is long and close. Both are delusional and dangerous in my opinion.
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greybeard

18th March 2016, 10:07

Hi Eram
Going back to your opening post.
For myself I don't see any connection between the two except coincidence.

Some places have an energy field that can affect belief/knowledge.
This is to the best of my memory--Deepak Chopra mentioned hearing the Gayatri Mantra in a cave--he attributed this to the mantra being repeated over thousands of years there.
In meditation similar things can come to different people--unconnected.
David Icke claimed to have an enlightened experience in that country as far as my memory serves me.
I would be much more inclined to believe Nassim than the other.
Nassim has retired, qualified physicists working with him.

What is true or wishful thinking I have no way of telling.

Interesting thread Eram--thanks

Chris

Limor Wolf

18th March 2016, 11:55

Eram

18th March 2016, 13:42

In his work White Wolf (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89428-Valuable-healing-modalities-by-White-Wolf-Element-Mountain&p=1053333&viewfull=1#post1053333) - a former CIA shadow operation (Government training program) survivor has pointed to the falshood that comes from any techniques that uses forms and symbols such as Tethrahedron, pyramids, diamond shape etc. and it's usefulness to allow others to hack on us and even further into our being, those shapes are basically being used as antenna, eqivelant to monitoring us from afar. It's interesting that even if he intially recommended those techniques, he soon after corrected the recommendation with a truthful warning for people to avoid this.

Such falshoods originate from the complex reality that we live in and the many overlayers put on our understanding as human beings of those energy matters that we are all part of, but certainly not from any one person 'being a fraud and a liar', It is worthwhile being reminded that we are all on the same boat.

Many Blessings ~

Limor

Hi Limor,

Thanks for the link to White Wolf.
I will check it out.

As for the falshoods that originate from a complex reality and being in the same boat together:
I am not completely sure that I understand what you try to convey, but if you mean to say that I shouldn't label Drunvalo a fraud and a liar because we are all in the same boat, then I beg to differ.

Of course we are all in the same boat.
Even the ones that planned and perpetrated 9/11 are in that boat and wish for them too that they find the road to our ultimate destination (liberation)

What I'm trying to find out is if there is some sort of psy op going on with this merkaba, ancient geometry thing.
i.e.: Are Drunvalo and Nassim perhaps part of a planned operation in order to misguide or "cover up".

For Drunvalo I can say for sure that he's a liar, manipulator and fraud, because he has shown so on so many occasions that it is beyond the shadow of doubt.
Does this make him an agent in some planned spy op? I don't know.

Is Nassim part of any psy op? I don't know, but there is this very weird connection that I would like to fin answers for.

seah

18th March 2016, 14:10

When I watched this presentation by Nassim, I often had the very distinct impression of seeing a con artist at work.

but a con man is consciously fudging reality, NH may be simply sharing knowledge that is within his cellular memory, or downloaded while he sleeps by those he has genetic ties with, he's had unconventional theories since grade school. This kind of early on recruiting is often seen when one is related to ET's. Whether the material is true or not, if he knows/believes in what he says it isn't a con, imo.

Limor Wolf

18th March 2016, 14:59

Originally posted by Eram: "What I'm trying to find out is if there is some sort of psy op going on with this merkaba, ancient geometry thing."

First, glad to see you back, Eram :)
You went for a while

Everyone are doing their best on the basis of what they think they know. There are mountains and glaciers between consciously planning a terror attack and delivering what one think may be good for others, no matter what the real truth of the matter is. What I am consistantly noticing to be the biggest psy-op ever made is the omitting of ones selves from taking personal responsibility on what they chose to hear and follow and allow another to do the research, study and get the conclusions for them. And then when something goes wrong - many times because of deliberate interference, then it's easy to nickname and put people in categories which are not doing any one of us any service.

We all chose to invest our energy in one way or another, (Our energy being the currency most sought after.. something to think about), if anyone would have asked me, I would say it is worthy of investing it in healing, finding what programming is and what is our own and work with it, expand our understanding of the bigger Earth picture. mature into self-responsibility, find compassion and unite

Many Blessings ~

Limor

TargeT

18th March 2016, 15:05

the falshood that comes from any techniques that uses forms and symbols such as Tethrahedron, pyramids, diamond shape etc. and it's usefulness to allow others to hack on us and even further into our being, those shapes are basically being used as antenna, eqivelant to monitoring us from afar.

so what, thinking about them or reproducing them some how puts you "on the radar"?

I don't quite understand how that would be possible & wonder how much of THAT was a psyop, understanding the tetrahedron's properties are useful in real life. (I doubt pretty much everything these days, seems safer... haha)

Does the golden ratio go into that as well? because comprehending that has been very useful as well... or is it just tetrahedral objects?

Is Nassim part of any psy op? I don't know, but there is this very weird connection that I would like to fin answers for.

If he's not, he's wasting people's time with a charismatic presentation on "cool ideas" that have almost no application to reality. (from my experience & limited theoretical physics knowledge)

Limor Wolf

18th March 2016, 15:48

the falshood that comes from any techniques that uses forms and symbols such as Tethrahedron, pyramids, diamond shape etc. and it's usefulness to allow others to hack on us and even further into our being, those shapes are basically being used as antenna, eqivelant to monitoring us from afar.

so what, thinking about them or reproducing them some how puts you "on the radar"?

I don't quite understand how that would be possible & wonder how much of THAT was a psyop, understanding the tetrahedron's properties are useful in real life. (I doubt pretty much everything these days, seems safer... haha)

Yes, I understand what you mean, TargeT : ) we live in a world that is impacted by energy and what we see is a limited version of what there is, which makes us feel quite insecure. It may help to put what we hear under three categories - 'yes- most certainly is', No, I don't think so', and ' I don't know', the last one is possibly the most popular one. Merkabaha, techniques, ascension.. Perheps it's good time to go inside ourselves and resides there for a little while to connect with our most valuable asset - ourselves

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89210-Inner-Empathy-Process-Work&p=1050591&viewfull=1#post1050591

Ernie Nemeth

18th March 2016, 16:49

Drunvalo's work is at first an interesting read. But I have since thrown his two books, The Flower of Life, in the garbage. And I mean the garbage, not like my other books I leave in the laundry room for others to find and enjoy. Haramien's ideas are also interesting but there is no tangible threat to his work, as there is with Drunvalo. I am so glad I could not put his twenty-sided paper model together. If I had I might now be in much more trouble. It was the spinning of the chakra energy vortex's that finally made me see the danger in his approach. What if I was spinning them the wrong way - wouldn't that hurt me? I used to think that as I spun my chakras. And the intuitive radar sense I have kept going off. Don't do this, you are not experienced enough, kept going through my mind. So I dropped it entirely, as I am wont to do.

Haramein is on to something and he is not the only one. There are a number of researchers who also support a new model of the universe and cosmology that resemble his work at least in essence. He is not that far out there. The monad is an interesting idea but it is not unique. Sacred geometry is very much real, in so far as the fact that the universe has an underlying template that drives its manifestation and that this driving force is intelligent. The Fibonacci sequence is a fundamental archetype that all life follows, as does the rest of the universe. The vesica picses is, the common portion of two circles that intersect each other through their centers, quite possibly the first form. Yet there is now talk that the monad is not three sided but two - two arcs! So Haramein is in good company. And no one can keep a charade that long without some of their true colors showing - like Drunvalo.

As far as the connection goes between the two, I think the op is asking if the pyramid itself has had some sort of influence on their thoughts. And if so there must be an evil side to it all. I can understand that but if they are disceminating truth then one can have our best interests at heart while the other doesn't. I think this might be the case. If information is somehow downloaded at this pyramid it is still up to the receiver to interpret it and assign it value. Drunvalo used the information to advance his own status - Haramein to advance the world's. No comparison, imo.

TargeT

18th March 2016, 17:02

Haramein is on to something and he is not the only one.

Maybe, but he doesn't have any experiments, or mathematical theories to explain them... its like demon possession to me, some people are absolutely convinced it happens, yet there is little to no evidence and no proofs behind it.

I feel Haramein is a waste of time, unless he inspires you to do something on your own.

now THIS Guy... THIS guy I will follow... this is what Haramein was suppose to be (IMO):

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That's something I can get behind.

Does this represent a change in tactics from the pyramid information giver? Maybe not, maybe... I'm not so sure on that one.

Hervé

18th March 2016, 17:32

... it's usefulness to allow others to hack on us and even further into our being, those shapes are basically being used as antenna, eqivelant to monitoring us from afar. It's interesting that even if he intially recommended those techniques, he soon after corrected the recommendation with a truthful warning for people to avoid this.
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Interesting... very...

I was reviewing some of the Edgar Cayce readings on Atlantis and ran into this (http://www.thesonsofthelawofone.com/atlanteansons.html):

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Edgar Evans Cayce [Edgar Cayce's youngest son] explains the situation in Egypt around the time of the final destruction: From between 10,000 and 11,000 b.c. a tribe from the Carpathian region invaded and conquered Egypt. One of the leaders of this tribe was a priest named Ra-Ta. Ra-Ta was Edgar Cayce (or Edgar Cayce was Ra-Ta, depending upon your point of view). In Egypt Ra-Ta's religious teachings attracted a large following. However, there was already political friction in Egypt and tension between the ruling classes and the native Egyptians.

Ra-Ta was caught up in this political intrigue, and after a native rebellion, he was banished for nine years to what is now Abyssinia. At the height of the confusion refugees began arriving in Egypt from Atlantis. The Atlanteans, scientifically more advanced than the Egyptians, found little in common with the inhabitants of Egypt, and began to set up their old way of life. Leaders of the ruling class and leaders of the native rebellion soon realized that these incoming Atlanteans with their superior scientific knowledge and radically different social and religious views posed a new threat. A leader had to be found, around whom the people could rally, to turn the power of the Atlanteans into constructive channels. In an effort to bring some order our of the chaos the leaders in power decided to recall the priest from banishment. Only he might correlate the activities of all these conflicting groups. This move was successful and with the cooperation of the rulers of Egypt, the priest, the Atlanteans and the natives there ensued a period of great advancement in human relations. The then civilized portions of the world enjoyed a period of moral, mental, spiritual and physical development.

In order to accomplish this sociopolitical revolution and blend the three races together seamlessly, institutions were developed to help facilitate the movement towards consolidation.

"Combination hospital and educational institutions (called the Temple of Sacrifice and the Temple of Beauty) were set up, and probably functioned like the psychiatric wing of a modern hospital. There the masses flocked for mental as well as physical therapy."
These institutions were needed both to heal the people both physically and psychologically. The Temple of Sacrifice focused on physical healing, including routine healings, surgeries, and even what appears to be radiation treatments and chemotherapy, where the Temple of Beauty focused on psychological healing, functioning as a combination psychiatric hospital/finishing school, helping heal mental illnesses and teach proper social behavior. However, they accomplished even more than this, as Edgar Evans Cayce explains: "Evidently, besides low mental development and/or lack of moral judgment and selfcontrol, some people classed as servants or "things" or "automatons" had physical deformities linking them to the animal world. They may have had tails, feathers, or scales. This was a holdover from the early projection of souls into materiality for selfish purposes at which time monstrosities as well as creatures of beauty were created." All the trappings of civilization were added to the new blended culture, including social skills, education, a written language, a law code, electrical power for lighting, heating, and related needs, even recipes for Atlantean cuisine.

However, even as the last remnants of Atlantis were sinking beneath the waves, the sons of Belial among the Atlanteans who had migrated to Egypt began once again to exercise their influence over the newly found institutions of health and healing, twisting their abilities to do evil: In Atlantean land when groups were being sent to other lands for various purposes — among those coming to Egypt.
"With establishing of Temple of Sacrifice entity set about to use truths and tenets that had been part of Atlantean experience, these used as suggestions with elements and drugs used as sedatives for activities in Temple of Sacrifice, or for surgery, in preparing individuals for definite services by removal of those things that would cause one to be different-minded."
Though the wording here seems benign enough, the actual meaning of this statement is that the Egyptians were brainwashed into accepting Atlantean rule using coercive psychotherapy combined with drugs. Even worse, those subjects who refused to accept the new order had their brains surgically altered. In other words, they were lobotomized, their free will physically taken from them. In their desire for order, the Atlantean balance between the Sons of the Law of One and the children of Belial again fell towards totalitarianism and, even though their intentions may have been noble, they began to treat other races as slaves once more. This tendency became more and more pronounced until they began to develop mechanical means of controlling, even enslaving, large masses of people at once. Edgar Evans Cayce explains, "With the use of chemicalbrain control agents it may be possible to control the individual and the masses and to do this unobtrusively and without the active cooperation of the victims ... the following extract sounds as if a similar technique was used in Atlantis:

'[The entity was] among those that were set upon to apply their abilities in relationship to the various conditions that were to be brought about to impel a people to submit to the influences that might be brought to bear.'
(Additional data in the reading indicates that electrical and mechanical appliances were used to accomplish this.)"

So, even as their home islands of Atlantis were sinking beneath the waves, the sons of Belial were still trying to use every means necessary to conquer and enslave the world. The innocuous sounding "electrical and mechanical appliances" actually indicates an extremely sinister agenda on the part of the sons of Belial: to turn everyone on earth into remote-controlled slaves, even from birth — shades of The Matrix!

Edgar Evans Cayce, writing his commentary on these visions in 1968, was surprisingly cogent in his assessment of the sinister implications contained in these statements: Some day tiny radios placed in the brain may make possible the enslavement of entire nations. Such equipment might be used to equip a child with a socket mounted under the scalp from which electrodes extended to selected areas of the brain. Later a miniature radio receiver and antenna could be plugged into the socket. Schafer says, "From that time on, the child's sensory perceptions and muscular activity could be either modified or completely controlled by bio-electric signals radiated from state-controlled transmitters. The "once human being" would be the cheapest of machines to create and operate.

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Atlantis is allegedly reknown for its manufacture of "crystals" capable of powering and remotely piloting crafts of all sorts... crystal have specific crystallographic structures and quartz (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz) is known for its tetrahedral crystallographic built. Quartz is also known for emitting and receiving specific radio frequencies. From there, it's only one step further in considering "etheric" or "Thought-form" antennaes...

Another tack on that subject is considering the mind-control triggering effects of such geometrical symbols and the unleashing of the corresponding program... borne out of Atlantean manipulations.

So, IMO, meditations of any kind are mine-fields booby trapped with all sorts of triggers.

Ernie Nemeth

18th March 2016, 17:34

Thanks Mr. T. Is this a new addition? I thought I had seen them all. Yes. This is the way, imo. Those old dudes from the turn of the last century were limited by the cumulative ignorance of their era. They were breaking out of the dark ages and just seeing order and meaning in the natural world was sheer genius. They could not be faulted for not realizing that the five hundred years of dogmatic rhetoric they had been subjected to would cause them to miss the obvious. It is in reworking the old models that the truth will come to light. We missed the simple and obvious!

But the op asks if there is a correlation specifically between these two men because of their link to that pyramid. I think the link might have validity only because such structures possess a standing wave function that draws on the ethereal component of reality to focus energy of a certain frequency. That frequency is like a channel in the information field of reality, attracting the forms and forces related to its energy signature. Since the mind is on some level capable of tuning in and resonating at prescribed frequencies, it seems possible that there is a link between the two men if they both tuned in to the frequency domain of the pyramid.

Why this specific information was set into that pyramid is arguable. Was it to supply information or to protect it? Was it to use the forces involved to produce an effect? Or to cause an effect from happening? Or is there no correlation, no formal purpose, and no meaning to ascribe to any of it? Just random coincidence?

TargeT

18th March 2016, 17:49

Thanks Mr. T. Is this a new addition?

3 days fresh! (published on the 15th)

But the op asks if there is a correlation specifically between these two men because of their link to that pyramid. I think the link might have validity only because such structures possess a standing wave function that draws on the ethereal component of reality to focus energy of a certain frequency. That frequency is like a channel in the information field of reality, attracting the forms and forces related to its energy signature. Since the mind is on some level capable of tuning in and resonating at prescribed frequencies, it seems possible that there is a link between the two men if they both tuned in to the frequency domain of the pyramid.

Why this specific information was set into that pyramid is arguable. Was it to supply information or to protect it? Was it to use the forces involved to produce an effect? Or to cause an effect from happening? Or is there no correlation, no formal purpose, and no meaning to ascribe to any of it? Just random coincidence?

Perhaps the two of them could tap into an information field that the pyramid was built to retain; perhaps they had the certain make up that allowed it to work on them... Why are the pyramids built everywhere, there HAS to be a reason beyond ascetics for them; you don't build something like that with out at least a dual purpose (if not more than two purposes).

IF the pyramids are some sort of standing wave information store that can be revived by genetically compatible individuals (body mechanics basically, be it the structure of the brain/body or perhaps just the energy signature; I'd guess it has to do with "octaves" and resonance relative to the pyramid itself) then maybe this is why all leaders currently interbreed (seemingly) and the ancient priests sects seemed to always hold themselves separate from the general population, privileged... and interbred... was it to retain this resonance with the Databank pyramids?

Fun to think about, but I've got nothing but vague connections and a lot of conclusion jumping there.

Interesting concept though.

greybeard

18th March 2016, 18:06

David Sereda Had a lot of thoughts about Pyramids --seemed over the top to me but he could be right.

I used to be fascinated by all this---however the interest has waned to quite a degree.

Chris

David Sereda & Pyramid Technology will blow your mind!
The Truth Denied
David Sereda is back to tell us of his latest findings about the Giza Plateau and quantum entanglement. Two objects that are quantum-entangled communicate with one another in an unknown, instantaneous manner that Einstein called 'spooky action at a distance.' It has recently been discovered that this doesn't just apply to subatomic particles. Two diamonds have been entangled, and not only that, they weren't brought together at all, but rather encoded with identical vibrations.
Published on Sep 21, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnKOSNv_4zQ

WhiteLove

18th March 2016, 20:18

There are several things to point out. Both of these guys are well read into the ancient history, conspiracies, theories, spirituality, religion, disclosure, Egypt, UFOs etc. Both of them are also much into science and physics. So some of this common pattern lies in their search for truth/information/knowledge within a shared pool of research ground.

Thanks for your input whitelove.

It is Nassim Haramein's own words in which he claims that the ideas for the spheres and later the tetrahedron were his own and in no way related to study of ancient histories.
He makes a whole show of it, how he was meditating on the pyramid of the snake in Mexico (the same one that Drunvalo uses in his teachings!!!) and suddenly he had this eureka moment. Nothing to do with a study in ancient cultures and history, other then just being on an ancient building.

Please read the OP again and think about the very peculiar connections that I mentioned, while on the surface they don't seem to know one another.

If you let it sink in, it is very suspicious.

I understand your perspective, but I am to some degree perceiving it from a different angle. I mean, I really don't think they share any commonalities that would clearly show they are somehow linked to some mysterious conspiracy, but it can appear that way if you decide to see certain aspects of their personalities, their comments etc. without deciding to see them fully. In my view both have studied the esotheric, the ancient, spirituality, religion, but they are both also seeking to re-connect and re-discover some great truths they believe are possible to be discovered in all of this.

But as a consequence of finding certain mathematical patterns and relationships in nature that express frequency, dimensionality etc., geometry is one of the first things that mathematicians and physicians start to discover when they seek to understand more about the mechanics of creation.

Both are probably well aware of each other's work, they might know each other better than we know them. But this is understandable, because in the quest for truth we depend on each other's findings. I am sure that both of them independently stroke their own egos every once in a while maybe in cases when they feel they independently discovered this. Sometimes it is easy to think you have discovered something and are not aware that you discovered precisely what someone else discovered hundreds of years ago. That has happened to me too. I discovered the equal temperament scale 2^(n/m) and thought I was the first to do so only to discover a few days later that some mathematician found this out hundreds of years ago. Did I discover it? Yes. Was I the first to do so? Really not. Was I aware of that when the discovery was made? No. But do you find it is fun to take a little credit for having independently discovered the same thing? Sure, that can be fun, because you put much time and though into it, you reached your goal and you got a certain amount of pride in having made that achievement. So getting a positive comment about that is of course fun. It is a whole other thing to go out on an ego trip claiming you were the first having done such a discovery.

Nassim Haramein is a genius, there is no doubt in my mind. He works with equations in a way that gives him very few equations in order to yield an outstanding new result as well as a good mathematical flow. And it is to a great degree because he is very elegant about his work with equations.

We want to remove φ, l and 2 from and add r to this equation:
= (4 * φ * h * c) / (2 * l)

So what we can do is:
= (4 * φRelocateFromHere * h * c) / ((2 * l) / φToHere)
Now because:
(2 * l) / φ = r
Then we can construct:
= (4 * h * c) / r

Now, this is an elegant way of describing it mathematically, although when Nassim first saw this he probably just went: hey we have (2 * l) / φ in that equation which I know is r, so we can just re-write it.

amor

19th March 2016, 07:03

Red Skywalker

19th March 2016, 20:48

THE ELECTRIC UNIVERSE: At almost 3 am I must confess to have skipped a lot of voluminous reading above. However, one remark I spotted rang bells for me and I feel the urge to respond. Once again, perhaps through download from my subconscious, I have been shown the possibility of turning vortices of force, all turning in the same direction emitting spirals, like the galaxies...

I think that came from my post. I give something more to chew on:

In my ideas there are 4 spacial dimensions: Length, Width, Depth and SIZE. The 5th dimension is dynamics which gives the observable flow of Time. However Time is also needed for Distance, thus space and thus the first 4 dimensions. If everything moves with infinite speed, there is no Distance, thus no space. You'll be everywhere, or omnipresent. And you still are. To experience space you, the Great Observer, has to slow down. That can be done by rotation and that's why your consciousness IS the space around you in geometrical forms. We know what to call that.

Buckminster Fuller demos the fundamental origin of rotation:

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All the centers of objects, galaxies, stars, planets, atoms and you 'breath' the way Buckminster Fuller shows.

Another thing you'll have to understand is: Interference; the Universe is holographic. That is needed for the creation of the things around you. Here's a little demo of 2 counter rotating spheres with a little speed difference 1:1,5 or 1:4 (called 'sneheidsverhouding' in the animation):

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Interesting is that the way the pentagram is build up, is the same as wicca's draw it.
Other ratio's give you:

1:1 gives 2 points or the line ! DISTANCE !
1:1,5 gives 5 points or the pentagram
1:2 gives 3 points or the triangle
1:3 gives 4 points or the square
1:4 gives 5 points or the pentagram again
1:5 gives 6 points or the hexagon

It's all about micro black holes or zero points or attractor points, but they have a cause in the form of an infinite expansion of an Absorption force from 'outside'.
Once you get the hang of the source of force, you'll be able to construct things as above and start to understand the basics of the Universe. You'll also be able to name the resulting forces, straight lines are electrical charge and round lines are magnetic. There are NO other forces, no gravity (is electrical in nature) or other subatomic forces. Only the scale (size) differs.

I did try a thread about my ideas, but my insides are increased almost exponentially since then:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31614-Asking-assistance-for-metaphysical-sacred-geometry-ideas&p=322141#post322141

I really consider to start a new thread about my ideas, but I am unsure it's the right time now. Maybe I should first complete the whole book.

Ernie Nemeth

20th March 2016, 19:48

Struggling to understand the reference, White Love.

4 times the Planck length constant (h) times the speed of light over the radius ... of what equals what? Must have missed that part. Was that in the David Serada vid? Or are you referring to Haramein? I know it is probably obvious but I often miss that.

I remember your thread, Mr. Skywalker. It was a good one. I had one going just before that too. I like the rotation translation idea, my words. Very much like the golden mean ratio expression, right. Translating rotation into form and scale.

In this case it seems that Haramein took the physics route of interpretation. Much safer and much more understandable information resulted. Drunvalo took the metaphysical approach, with all its uncertainties and bias and convoluted and questionable data. Only confusion resulted, and the occasional run-in with disembodied entities and the like.

I like how you seem to get the deeper meaning of what I said, T, about fixed energy signatures that evoke a standing frequency resonance to all who come near. And depending on the individual, a unique interpretation results.

bettye198

20th March 2016, 20:35

To each his own experience, and mine was that Drunvalo was used. I studied him for a couple of years and did his tetrahedron travel and it got me NO WHERE. I felt actually my energy field depleted. Later, I learned Thoth, his mentor, really was a fallen angelic and snared Drunvalo. Thoth worked orginally for the Light but fell and was pulled to some darker elements sadly.

sigma6

26th March 2016, 07:45

there have been many books written since the 70s connecting quantum physics to Eastern Philosophical ideas... the sacred geometry is real... the high strangeness is real... many things related to quantum physics are strange (its fascination to many... some East Indians consider their "religion" to actually be scientifically based... This idea of connection of "religion" and the "implications" of what quantum physics is telling us (i.e. that matter is manifested, and non-matter energetic stuff, i.e. ether, space, spirit, is the reality. the foundation...) How can that not make us a little dizzy... and now there is all kind of research looking into the nature of reality... the holographic model, the many universes model... the computer virtual reality of James Gates... etc.. According to Nassim (and I think I have heard of it somewhere else... ) the Tetragrammaton was considered "God" but what is it? apparently it's another quantum physics interpretation...

where does this all have application... like in the matrix... true understanding can lead to mind over matter... (consciousness transcending the "virtual" material reality... ) the "para" normal... or "super" natural... beyond Newtonian Physics... one thing is clear, Newtonian Physics doesn't explain everything... this is what the Physicists have been saying since Max Planck insisted intelligence exists within the energy of quantum space...