A fundamental human right: To transact money anonymously, physically, "off the grid". [Archive]

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ThePythonicCow

19th March 2016, 08:52

ThePythonicCow

19th March 2016, 08:58

The European Union is already threatening this right:

No Anonymous Option for European Bitcoin Users (http://www.altcointoday.com/no-anonymous-option-european-bitcoin-users/)
EU clamps down on bitcoin, anonymous payments to curb terrorism funding (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-shoooting-eu-terrorism-funding-idUSKCN0T81BW20151119)

Russia already made use of Bitcoin a crime earlier this year:

Putin Advisor: Accepting Bitcoin Payments in Russia is a Crime (http://www.coindesk.com/receiving-bitcoin-payments-is-a-crime-says-russian-presidential-advisor/).

In the above cases, people still have paper Euro or Ruble notes, so their human right to transact money anonymously, physically, "off the grid", is not yet abolished.

Not yet ...

ThePythonicCow

19th March 2016, 11:19

For a related post on the troubled state of Bitcoin, see my new Bitcoin has failed - Post #13 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88258-Bitcoin-has-failed--from-a-former-key-Bitcoin-developer-Mike-Hearn-Jan-2016-&p=1054375&viewfull=1#post1054375)

TrumanCash

19th March 2016, 15:17

CASH = FREEDOM

CASHLESS = SLAVERY

It's that simple.

If you want to remain free, start using cash like your life depended on it--because it does.

To BE the change, USE the change.

Truman Cash

chancy

19th March 2016, 15:46

Hello Everyone:
I am sure that it used to be out right to use cash anonymously BUT will every country adding thousands of new laws it probably isn't our right by now!
I prefer using cash but that's getting tougher every year!

The next best option as I see it is BARTERING. You trade items for items.

Years ago there were many barter services which brought sellers and buyers together. They worked great but people got lazy and wanted debit and credit cards more.
I haven't seen a barter service for many many years.
chancy

ozmirage

19th March 2016, 16:30

TRANSACTIONS IN MONEY - A RIGHT?
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Privacy is one of the natural rights, that people are endowed with by their Creator. Unfortunately, that right is waived / surrendered by consent of the governed.

As to the use of money, that is not so easy to explain. The use of money is part of an indoctrinated madness, which is not well known.

First error is the presumption that government has the power to CREATE money. In fact, CONgress has only the power to coin money (stamp bullion). It cannot create bullion. And if CONgress had the power to create money, why would it need the power to borrow it?

Second error is the acceptance of usury (interest). Usury has been denounced as an abomination for only 3500 years. Usury is mathematically unsustainable in a finite money token system, due to the exponential equation used for compound interest. In short, it requires an infinite money supply - which is impossible - and thus a proportion of debtors will default simply because enough money never can exist.

Third error is the assumption that worthless IOUs (dollar bills) are money, when they are not. Though legal tender on obligated parties, they are not lawful money, nor do they alienate title. Thus eradicating private property ownership and instituting a ‘glorious’ socialist paradise, where everything not mandatory, taxed, registered or restricted is forbidden.

Fourth error is the belief that money has intrinsic value independent of the marketplace of goods and services. This belief allows money madness to throttle trade by the scarcity and finite nature of money. No money system can keep proportional with the ever growing population, thus growing labor pool, amplified by tools, machines, and automation.

Fifth error is not realizing who does have the power to create a medium of exchange to facilitate trade of one’s surplus goods and services, when barter is insufficient. If it is not the government, nor usurers, who is it?

To further illustrate money madness:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm
Q: How much U.S. currency is in circulation?
A: There was approximately $1.4 trillion in circulation as of February 18, 2016, of which $1.38 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_United_States
● ". . . The financial position of the United States includes assets of at least $269.6 trillion and debts of $145.8 trillion to produce a net worth of at least $123.8 trillion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_United_States_federal_budget
● 2015 Federal Budget $3.58 trillion (expenditures)
● 2015 Federal Deficit $ 438.9 billion (borrowed)
● . . . versus . . .
● $1.38 trillion in circulation.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2015-BUD/pdf/BUDGET-2015-BUD.pdf
● 2015 Federal Deficit $312 billion (estimate)
● 2015 Debt Service $252 billion (estimate)
● 2015 Unified budget deficit $564 billion (estimate)
● 2015 Gross Domestic Product $18,454 billion (estimate)
● . . . versus . . .
● $1.38 trillion in circulation.

Recent Asteroid fly-by valued at 5.4+ trillions in platinum.
http://www.rt.com/news/310170-platinum-asteroid-2011-uw-158/
● According to different estimates, it might contain ore of precious metals and other minerals worth from $300 billion, to an incredible $5.4 trillion.

http://www.spaceanswers.com/news/the-700-quintillion-asteroid-belt/
● NASA has estimated the mineral wealth of the entire Asteroid Belt could be as much as $700 quintillion, or a seven followed by 20 zero. That’s $100 billion for every one of the 7 billion people on Earth!

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How can you claim measurements that exceed the known total of circulating monies?

Isn’t that INSANE?

What’s really reality: the actual sum of property, goods and services - or - an arbitrary value and sum of money tokens ?

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You have no right to be insane or use insanity as your defense of money madness.

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References:

NATURAL RIGHTS - ... are the rights of life, liberty, PRIVACY, and good reputation.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed., p. 1324

Article 1, Section 8. U.S. Constitution.
The Congress shall have Power
...To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
...To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

Article 1, Section 10. U.S. Constitution
No State shall ... coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any ... Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, ...
- - - -
"Dollars, or units; each to be of the value of a Spanish milled as the same is now current, and to contain three hundred and seventy-one grains and four-sixteenths parts of a grain of pure, or four hundred and sixteen grains of standard, silver."

"Eagles each to be of the value of ten dollars or units, and to contain two hundred and forty-seven grains and four eighths of a grain of pure, or two hundred and seventy grains of standard gold."
--- Sec. 9, Coinage Act of 1792, January 1792

MONEY - In usual and ordinary acceptation it means coins and paper currency used as a circulating medium of exchange, and does not embrace notes, bonds, evidences of debt, or other personal or real estate. Lane v. Railey, 280 Ky. 319, 133 S.W. 2d 74, 79, 81.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p. 1005
Engaging in contracts for usury with worthless securities (not lawful money) is a privilege subject to government oversight and taxation. It is a Federal offense to destroy Federal Reserve Notes (Dollar bills) because they do not belong to the holder but to the government.

Sequoia

19th March 2016, 16:48

Until the greedy meddling "middle man" is taken under control of sanity and real a Economics become part of Finance...stop being the ultimate slave, of plastic, stop supporting the derivatives bubble and the illusionary "stock market" of the matrix. At every moment, use cash!! It still has more value (as paper) to you than the Orwellian global electronic banking system "the new world order", launched in early 80's. And for goodness sakes, do not hand your $$ to the banks, and def get rid of every investment that is not based on something tangible and solid.
It's not easy but can be done but it requires a major house-cleaning and re-organizing of values, of what really matters to you.

When people understand what 'debt based monetary system' means, and a new one is in place, diversify and barter away Great :idea: !!

Excellent posts!

raregem

19th March 2016, 16:50

The irony here is the very people wanting to control and keep tabs on our money (form of exchange) are the very ones who cannot account for great financial and gold losses of our country.
POOF..gone.. Q: Where did millions go? A: DUNNO
But, they think they are capable and have this right to be this involved in our daily lives because they SAY SO. Yet, they cannot or WILL NOT be responsible and accountable first, That they can do better than the ones doing the earning.
They take our money, "lose it" and then they demand MORE control measures. ? ! oh the tsk, tsk, tsk of it all.

Citizen No2

19th March 2016, 17:29

I have been living without a bank account since October 2010. My financial footprint stopped on that date. This current system we live under (duress) makes it extremely hard to live on a cash only basis, in fact I would say nigh-on impossible. I have a business and mortgage, children in university and all the other bits and pieces that go along with that. If it wasn't for the help of a few trusted friends I would find it impossible to transact financially. There is a definite push toward digital currency, on a far deeper level than most are currently aware.

One of the best things to come out of this is the amount of money that I no longer spend. When I used to pay for everything with the plastic it didn't seem to be real..... Until the monthly statements came in. Now it is all cash, you see it, feel it, I tend to spend way less. It can be difficult to pay for hotels and almost impossible to hire a vehicle when I am abroad, but there are ways and means. It does attract unwarranted attention though.

Regards.

Lifebringer

20th March 2016, 17:51

Every time my money posts in the bank, I remove most of every thing I wlll spend except bill pay and odds and end change. The rest I keep on me as that's how my Grandchildren get their pocket change after all the odds and ends are paid for and change is given. If they take the power to give our children or grandchildren change and electronically have to monitor every thing I spend, then it's not my life or livelihood, but some advertising giant snooping or government that is too lazy to do the foot work in crime. I've noticed that about lawyers too. You hire them and you have to provide the evidence as they really are just a mouth piece in court presenting your case. This for 45% of whatever you receive in damages. Hows that for a racket? They won't take the case unless you agree to go at least 6 months. Pain and suffering that reoccurs afterward for the rest of your life because of damaged nerves and vertibrae mean nothing as they have you sign a clause that says you won't pursue it further damages for lifetime injury.
I'm a writer that can't lean my head forward or left to right. Almost broke my neck in car accident last July. 2nd time, guess God's trying to tell me something.
Better get my house in order perhaps?

Ernie Nemeth

20th March 2016, 18:45

I used to take my customers checks directly to their own banks and provide ID and get the cash. I did this because a few checks had bounced and I could not afford any more NSF charges. I had a hard time cashing those checks directly and each time had to argue all the way to the manager. But I held my ground because a check is a promise to pay, not in five days but right now. Always got my way.

So recently I tried the same thing. For the first time ever I was refused. Flat out refused! They told me to go and deposit it in my own account. Maybe I have to say that again for effect. They refused to honor their own check, for an amount the account holder had readily available in their account. This is fraud.

But policies in Canada are quietly changing. For example, by next year everyone who draws a regular check from the government must have a bank account where funds will be directly deposited. Also, any check over $1,000 must be approved by the manager or senior teller. And any large denomination paper money a customer asks to be broken into smaller denominations must first deposit the money into their accounts.

That fundamental human right to transact money anonymously misses one crucial factor. We abrogated that right when we decided to allow government to tax our income. How can they tax our income if they do not know how much we earned or if we purposefully hide how much we earned behind paper transactions? It is not fair if some cheat while others practice full disclosure. Right? So the government sets up a tax department and a giant organization eventually appears to go after tax cheats. But how can they do that without laws to allow them access to personal information against the citizen's wishes? Well, you make more laws and more institutions to guard against their encroachment.

Here is the solution - stop personal income taxation! Period.

Then abolish all institutions and laws resulting from the tax.

Done

Too bad the obvious is the most crazy of all solutions - eh?

Carmody

21st March 2016, 12:59

Control = commodity.

You are being commoditized.

See the erected fences (distant or close) and controls for what they are. Not slavery, that's too simple of an analysis.

This is about being turned back from an open mutable future .......to being a commodity.

It's the splitting of the varied and flowing human race into distinctive genotypes and varieties (skills, potentials, possibility, probability and so on), by force.

Just....out of the edge of your sight. Just.... around that corner.....

Ernie Nemeth

23rd March 2016, 01:26

Carmody, some might miss the reference.

ThePythonicCow

4th April 2016, 01:32

The minions of the Bastards in Power are claiming the necessity of being able to track any monetary transaction, so that "they can protect us from terrorism" and other such evils.

They must never be allowed that power.

We humans, living in an economy depending on money, have a fundamental, unalienable, right to transact in money anonymously, physically, "off the grid".

I have good company on that point. Joseph P. Farrell writes, here (http://gizadeathstar.com/2016/04/appropriate-april-fools-day-central-banks-crypto-currencies-moves-cashlessness/):
Physical media of exchange must always remain if there is to be genuine individual freedom, creativity, and movement.

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It is becoming increasingly clear to me, as I peruse the Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency news of the last couple of months (do searches on "RSCoin" or "Cashless" to see examples) that our Banking Overlords are endeavoring to put electronic money, some centrally controlled descendant of Bitcoin, at the core of the next monetary system, after the collapse of King Dollar.
The above "Physical media" quote of Farrell's is from an article (http://gizadeathstar.com/2016/04/appropriate-april-fools-day-central-banks-crypto-currencies-moves-cashlessness/) of his discussing a post (https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2016/03/16/central-banks-move-into-crypto-currencies-as-part-of-cashless-society-hustle.html) by Jeff Berwick The Dollar Vigilante (http://www.dollarvigilante.com/), discussing RSCoin, which begins:

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Central Banks Move Into Crypto-Currencies as Part of Cashless Society Hustle

RScoin is coming but do you want it?

Top UK Telegraph journo Ambrose Evans-Pritchard just wrote about this planned crypto-currency in what is either an incredibly stupid and uneducated article or pure propaganda… it was titled “Central banks beat Bitcoin at own game with rival supercurrency. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/13/central-banks-beat-bitcoin-at-own-game-with-rival-supercurrency/)” The article is horrible central bank happy-talk that reads like the Bank of England wrote it for him and starts off with a blatant lie only three words in… this new RScoin, put out by the central bank of England, has not BEAT bitcoin. It is worse in every imaginable way than bitcoin… right down to the name. RScoin… central banker types aren’t exactly the most creative. We’ll call it FiatCoin around here.

But the underlying intent is deadly serious. Central banks apparently have in mind mimicking bitcoin but issuing electronic currencies themselves and charging people to buy the currency. People may actually pay the central bank directly, thus creating accounts with central banks!

If central banks and their handpicked political hooligans are successful in banning cash, the central bank’s RScoin could become the only game in town for millions and even billions of savers and investors. And central bankers would love that idea because they’d have total access to those accounts. They’d know everything you were doing and have the ability to seize or shut off your account at their choosing.

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