So: Why hasn't Planet Earth been invaded?

[Bill Ryan]

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... and that's a serious question.

It was prompted by araucaria's wonderful remark here, in response to
If Aliens Give Us 24 Hours To Prove That Humanity Is “Worthy Of Existence”, What Do We Do? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89494-If-Aliens-Give-Us-24-Hrs-To-Prove-That-Humanity-Is-Worthy-Of-Existence)


I'd say you've already had at least 24,000 years to size us up and if the jury is still out, then I'd say case dismissed.

After I'd stopped laughing :bigsmile: — I realized it left a very good, and different, question unanswered.

There's no doubt that Planet Earth is prime interstellar real estate. It's a magnificently beautiful planet, with a huge genetic diversity, and all kinds of natural resources. We might be able to defend ourselves now against alien invaders (maybe) — but a short while ago, surely we could not.

So there seem to be several possibilities:


Taking over another planet (or this planet) is against some galactic law, agreement or protocol.



Invaders are already here, but for some reason aren't showing themselves. (Some of them may even be in human bodies: the perfect disguise.)



We're already someone's property, and whoever owns us won't allow anyone else to interfere (very much).



It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.



It happened a long time ago, and there was a major high-tech war, which we lost... resulting in a ceasefire and a 'Cosmic Versailles' (Joseph Farrell's thought-provoking term, presented here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcoUJfCAPE)). *


This is a reference to the Treaty of Versailles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles), following the end of the First World War. The Germans were subjugated, and were legally required to make all kinds of heavy-duty reparations to the allied victors.


It's also possible that the reality is some combination of the above. There could also be other factors not considered — which, just maybe, we can't even conceive of... and are incapable of understanding.

[regnak]

However as they mange planet Earth they see it as a farm and they raid it every now and again .

soul harvesting thing is what exactly ?

[witchy1]

following on from the farming theme - I wonder if anyone is going to bring up the soul harvesting (Dulce) thing????

[PurpleLama]

Who says we haven't?

I would support Fort's thesis, that we are already someone's property.

[witchy1]

However as they mange planet Earth they see it as a farm and they raid it every now and again .

soul harvesting thing is what exactly ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8393-The-Dulce-Base-and-Cherry-Hinkle-s-testimony&highlight=Dulce+Base
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?54348-The-Dulce-Project-2013&highlight=Dulce+Base

[Verdilac]

I would go with •It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.. But would add, there was a terrible war when the take over happened.

And also to add to that, a certain group of entities heard of what happened and sent a presence to observer and only step in if only the planets existence was threatened again.

And so we have terrible wars that are observed if you listen to the testimony of troops in warzones, then on the other hand we don't seem to be able to get around to a full scale nuclear confrontation .

Also if you believe the rendlesham forest incident, maybe you have the reason they/we haven't got around to rubbing ourselves off the planet with the use of nuclear weapons.

Simply put, there is a safe word for intervention because of past problems, and that word could quite possibly be "nuclear".

[Nasu]

As above so bellow. My own feeling is that the evolution of warfare we have seen within our own race of tribes over time, reflects in a microcosm what the wider space community has no doubt also experienced to some or all degree. We don't know how long other races can live for, but as humans we live very short lives so must innovate quickly. We have been coming up with new ways of imposing control through force for about ten thousand years of accepted history, putting aside evidence for more advanced societies before that time, but we only have partial records for less than half of that time..

The entire history of our race is defined, like it or not, by the societies and technologies we have developed within our tribal wars. Our understanding and use of force has evolved over this time to its current zenith, where the most technologically developed "tribe" on our planet, the USA and its five eyes alliance now uses drones and small well trained, well equipped, covert teams to do what a brigade and gunships or more would have done only a hundred years ago.

Taking this line of reasoning and stretching it out with the distances of space and time and the unlimited potential of technology, we can see that a race of emotionaly challenged, aggressive, narcissistic apes like ourselves would come to similar conclusions as to the best most efficient and most cost effective ways of using force in a galactic setting.

In its lowest and basest form warfare aims to move people to a desired action through fear of destruction. That desired action could be anything, however historically it has fallen into two main groups: to move people off or away from resources that WE want, or to subjugate the people to work for us in some way so that WE can live off their work by receiving their efforts, their tributes or taxes..

The height of our understanding on our planet therefore is that in the overthrow of a nation or tribe, physiological warfare is king. It is the most cost effective way of influencing the minds of those who WE wish to move to a desired effect, but without the need for costly war-machine resources and any subsequent destruction of assets, which would obviously require the extra costs of rebuilding.

Ergo. If war is a thing outside of our childish planet it would, in my opinion, be conducted with the use of small covert teams of drone-like biological robots who could act and reproduce independently. They could be used as scouts or as a forward base, or as influencers to races where the technology would seem like magic to their simple minds. The best part is this plan requires zero boots on the ground, leaving the race unhurt and fresh for their next adventures in space invasion...

So who's to say that "they" are not already here in small groups of influencers, letting us kill each other, whilst they take our tribute and busy themselves installing so called "cell phone towers" and mining our resorces and heating up the planet with their spraying in preparation for their queen and their final most disgusting move.... Lol...

I hope our race grows up a bit more before we get this power, my bet is that our neighbours feel the same way...x.... N

[Verdilac]

We if there is a small group of influencers some would say they are not doing a very good job of letting us kill each other. It certainly cant be to depopulate , unless soul harvesting is genuinely going on, it may be the reason for over population and keeping people dummed down.

You can just imagine a truly evolved race in a craft watching a war, they would just shake there heads and go home, I known I do. Shake my head that is:(

[WhiteLove]

Interesting thread! I think an invasion has not happened because we have collectively not used our free will to permit existing in such a reality. In other words, I think this kind of stuff is decided on the basis of the free will of the collective of humans, not on an individual basis. An invasion is a global threat, hence the collective being must with its free will permit such an event to occur for this to take place. And that has not happened yet. This does not mean that the collective consciousness can't move in such a direction, it means it has not. This in turn indicates that we humans having decided to incarnate at earth at some point might collectively have used our free will to exist in a reality where invasion would not occur up to this point. We want to experience a lot, but an invasion is the kind of stuff we don't like and creation won't violate that free will.

If this is so, and that I can of course not say for sure, but if it is like this, then this in turn means that we must on a personal level be aware of how we are using our free will and how we as a collective are using our free will, because if we choose a path that leads towards using our free will to allow this kind of stuff to happen, then that will not be such a great thing...

So it could simply be that we are unconditionally protected from an invasion at the highest level based on our collective free will.

Now, since the collective consciousness of planet earth might be a split off of a stellar collective consciousness, it might even be that on a stellar level this consciousness has used its free will not to permit an invasion into our solar system. So there could be vast regions of space where an invasion is simply not possible, whereas in some regions it might be.

The moment when we should start to worry, is when we discover some ongoing battle somewhere in our solar system. That would be an incredibly alarming thing that would indicate that other beings in our solar system might have gone down a dangerous path and is in trouble. I think that kind of stuff happens and that help is provided. I am not aware of any kinds of proof of such a thing going on at this present time and space. All I've seen is footages of the elite using it's low tech stuff against ET forces that have total control of that kind of stuff due to how advanced they are. That kind of stuff we have allowed to take place.

[norman]

I'll go for the idea that the folks we were the property of, lost a war, and we ARE the reparations.

[Baby Steps]

why invade?
demonics get their loosh
somebody gets the gold
genetic material is easy to take

perhaps we are here because we made a deal to work with this collective consciouness , drag it from planetary to galactic. can we all do it? we certainly are getting the opportunity to try.

we may be in the big brother house, but the deal is nobody can shut it down until we are ready. are we the hapless members? or the viewers? does it matter?

god bless

[JChombre]

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So there seem to be several possibilities:


Taking over another planet (or this planet) is against some galactic law, agreement or protocol.



Invaders are already here, but for some reason aren't showing themselves. (Some of them may even be in human bodies: the perfect disguise.)



We're already someone's property, and whoever owns us won't allow anyone else to interfere (very much).



It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.



It happened a long time ago, and there was a major high-tech war, which we lost... resulting in a ceasefire and a 'Cosmic Versailles' (Joseph Farrell's thought-provoking term, presented here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcoUJfCAPE)). *



The first three bullet points that Bill is using, can (imho) provide some good reasons why Earth has not been invaded yet.

As for the fourth bullet point, I cannot prove it but I am sure someone in the far or near past had invaded Earth. For Bill's last bullet point, I know about the Versailles Treaty but I don't know much about Dr. Farrell's "Cosmic Versailles", I intent to watch his video in the near future.

If we consider that Earth is an ongoing genetic experiment where some 22 (+ or - ) races or types of beings had agreed to contribute their genetic material (DNA) to run a unique experiment whose objective is to create a new type of human being (us), than it makes sense not to disrupt this ongoing experiment with an invasion, before it (the experiment) is concluded.

According to the WingMakers, the human experiment is ongoing and Human 1.0 and 2.0 have already been created. In fact, we are currently the Human 2.0 prototype, and according to the WingMakers, by 2080 humanity will be upgraded to Human 3.0 Sovereign Integral, who is an infinite heart-centered immortal being.

Many blessings to y' all.

JC

[Arak]

My intuition tell's me that we are being monitored all the time. But as human scientists tend to avoid interfering to indigenous cultures they study, so do alien scientist also try to remain unseen. So I gues it is the first one:
Taking over another planet (or this planet) is against some galactic law, agreement or protocol.

It is also worth of mentioning, that any race that is able to travel between stars and galaxies has survived long enough to understand that slaving and conquering is not the path to follow. There might be few exceptions, but in general "good guys" are in charge.

[Nasu]

We if there is a small group of influencers some would say they are not doing a very good job of letting us kill each other. It certainly cant be to depopulate , unless soul harvesting is genuinely going on, it may be the reason for over population and keeping people dummed down.

You can just imagine a truly evolved race in a craft watching a war, they would just shake there heads and go home, I known I do. Shake my head that is:(

Your right, I forgot about soul harvesting, who knows, maybe they want our souls!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdOGJi5Sne4

[Aurelius]

my 10 cents: Planet earth HAS been invaded .. it started a very long time ago, right up to this very day. Just not "invaded" in the way we would traditionally expect*, there's no need for this primitive approach. However, there's no reason why "others" (new entrants), closer to where we are right now (evolutionary), they could "invade" in the traditional sense of the word.

*We know that "matter" is all that we are able to perceive with our 5 senses (ignoring other non-physical senses for now), also our current electronic instrumentation is limited to this "matter" realm as well. The source of "matter" comes from something else, this is well understood from ancient knowledge (Sumer, Vedas, Egypt et al) and so-called "modern" science (quantum, string theory et al). There is significantly more of the "something else" than "matter" (which is a percentile of a percentile, of the total). Invade the "something else" & you have full-control of everything derived from it (which includes what we call "matter"). The "invasion" needn't mean control (but it can be, if so desired), I would say the invasion mostly involves "leisure", such as monitoring, experiencing, experimenting.

We also need to bring "time" into the equation. ie. If we were to be shaken-off like fleas, because the "invaders" disapprove of our behaviour or a statistical forecast, it can easily be done, and from the invaders viewpoint, what feels like 20 millions yrs, would be a tiny fraction of that time to them. Choose the next natural cycle, for the next experiment.

Postulate: if one posses the know-how, to create WHATEVER you want out of "fields" (by manipulating fields) & one has mastered the ability to move through "time"#. How does this change our thinking about the motives / logic / rationale behind an invasion ??

# by definition: it is not possible to build / operate a so called ufo, without gaining insight into the "time" realm (ie. what time is, how time works, how to move through time).

I have no doubt, in time to come, we'll see the futuristic movies Star Trek, Star Wars, Colony, Alien .. whatever, got it wrong! There is a point in evolution / scientific understanding where "scarcity" no longer applies, all these movies made a fundamental error with this assumption.

In short: When you have all that you want, why would you invade (in the traditional sense of the word) something else?

... maybe Greer & von Braun were correct, our worst enemy is ourselves and those like us ie. close to our current level of evolution / understanding.

In summary: Those entities that "threaten" us, that we feel will "invade" us, are at the bottom of the pit on the evolutionary scale.

[Cidersomerset]

So there seem to be several possibilities:
•Taking over another planet (or this planet) is against some galactic law, agreement or protocol.
•Invaders are already here, but for some reason aren't showing themselves. (Some of them may even be in human bodies: the perfect disguise.)
•We're already someone's property, and whoever owns us won't allow anyone else to interfere (very much).
•It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.
•It happened a long time ago, and there was a major high-tech war, which we lost... resulting in a ceasefire and a 'Cosmic Versailles' (Joseph Farrell's thought-provoking term, presented here). *


All the above are possible when you have been down the Rabbit hole for a while...


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The latest sky - fy Alien invasion series is The Colony ,following hot on the heels of
Falling skies that finished last year after 3 seasons. Following on from regular
movies , video games and TV series about Alien invasion in some form or other.

The time is certainly ripe for a project Blue Beam type event....

As Carol Rosin and others have suggested for years.......

Carol Rosin and The Last Card

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[Spellbound]

First I've heard of The Colony. DL'ing season 1 now. Thx much!!

Dave - Toronto

[Spellbound]

Skyline was a great flick!!

Dave - Toronto

[Cidersomerset]

First I've heard of The Colony. DL'ing season 1 now. Thx much!!

Dave - Toronto



I watched episode 10 of series 1 earlier it has a slow start
but is building up well and has reached the first climax.
Where it goes from here will depend if it will become
a classic or another 1 or 2 season wonder ?

[Sunny-side-up]

We as in the descendants of the chimps? as natural Earth derived, evolved creatures or, genetically mixed creatures, mixed with their DNA's.
Why the mix? so they could be able to live here!

[Kindred]

Your right, I forgot about soul harvesting, who knows, maybe they want our souls!!

"the entity (soul) is inviolate" (Seth / Jane Roberts)

I would suggest that the 'soul' CANNOT be 'harvested'... how do you contain something that is both infinite and multi-dimensional?

IMO... only answers 1 & 4 offer the basic truth of the matter. That said, it is most likely that there are human factions right here on Earth that have tried to use the few negative races they have made contact with (example; tall whites) to enhance their own technology, and provide a kind of 'stepping stone' to other 'venues' in our galaxy.

Any truly advanced race knows that to 'invade' another planet is against the law of Free Will and Universal Law.

We, as a group consciousness/species, has chosen this current embodiment and limitations for very specific purposes, many of which we have forgotten.

Here are a set of conversations from different sources that provide some insight as to the reasons 'advanced' civilizations do not contact us here on Earth.

From 'Iarga' http://rune.galactic.to/iarga.html (http://rune.galactic.to/iarga.html)
- a conversation between a sailor in a boat who had rescued an 'alien', and the alien's fellow crew members

"Do you understand English?" The same statement floated over the water.
"Yes, I do."
"We want to thank you for the rescue of our crew member."
....... of course. Who are you?"
"We come from another solar system."
"My God," I called back. The situation was so strange that at that moment I couldn't think of anything else to say. There followed a short silence and I wondered about that strange accent which, in fact, wasn't English at all. To my ears it sounded more like Dutch, my own language. I could understand it perfectly, but I couldn't repeat a single word of what they actually said. The voice came again, and over the still dark water an unbelievable conversation began. "Is your ship damaged?"
"No, I don't think so." "Will you turn the light out?" (the aliens had trained a bright light on the sailor during the rescue)
"All right."
"Thanks. Does the ship belong to you?"
"Have you a radio transmitter on board? We would like to show our appreciation for the rescue of our crew member."
"You can do that by simply explaining some of this to me. It's just too much. How long have you been here?"
"We have been near Earth for some time."
"Why do you hide? Why haven't you tried to make contact with us?"
"Our reason is that you do not know the laws of a higher civilization."
"I don't understand."
"There is still a great deal that the people of this planet do not understand."
I hesitated. How much did they know about us? "You know us well, then?"
"We have studied you for some time."
"You don't have a very high opinion of us, I gather."
"Your remark shows some insight."
"Are your people more intelligent than mine?"
"No, only more developed."
"If that's so, then I don't understand why you haven't made contact with us. You could help us."
"That would constitute a breach of the laws of nature."
I shrugged my shoulders. Despite the strange situation, I began to feel more at ease. This was an unimaginably important meeting, and I began wondering how I could manage to squeeze some information out of these beings. I could learn things that man, for centuries, has only been able to guess at, and I could find out about their spaceships!
"We wish to give you something as a token of our thanks. If we give you an object with which you can prove our existence, it will surely also be worth a great deal of money. We hope that you will accept it. It is sterilized."
"What is it?"
"It is a block of inert metal that is many times stronger than your best steel and only half as heavy. It has a superconductive structure that is so straight that current can only flow through it when a positive pole is placed directly opposite a negative pole, in line with the structure of the metal. If one of the electrodes is moved only one-thousandth of an inch, the current ceases to flow. With this structure it is possible, with correctly placed electrodes, to form a spiral current pattern, the result being that when a direct current is connected to two feed wires, a supermagnet is created with a negligible current consumption. Also, the metal has a melting point much higher than anything known on Earth. We use this metal for the outer skin of our spacecraft. That is the gift. We hope you will accept it."
I was greatly impressed. "This is incredible. I am grateful. I expected no gifts for saving your crew member, but I imagine that your intention is to help us and I accept it with heartfelt thanks."
"We admire your unselfishness, but we must point out that the block of metal represents a far too advanced technique to be of any use to you in your research. Technically speaking, it is useless, but you are right in thinking that something else is behind it. We wish to give you proof that you are being observed by intelligent alien races, who know you so well that they are able to communicate with you, but refrain from doing so. We live in the perhaps desperate hope that people exist who, with this information, will be able to understand the reason for our reluctance."
"And what is the reason?"
"You do not have the values, the ethics, of a developed civilization. Because of this, the human race has, as yet, no chance of eternal survival. It blocks the way to cosmic integration."

I shrugged my shoulders. I had never heard of "cosmic integration." They also began to irritate me. I found them a little too arrogant.
"You regard us as children, then?"

"No. An adult does not blame a child for the fact that he is not yet grown up."

"But you do blame us for something? And what is that?"

"Any English-speaking Negro, Chinese or American Indian can give you the answer."

The conversation was not going exactly the way I had imagined. I had to think of something else, and at the same time be careful that the contact was not broken. I was afraid that they would climb back into their saucer and that I would never see them again.

"I think I understand what you mean. May I ask a couple more questions? This is a once-in-a lifetime experience."

"That is correct. The present generation will not have the chance again."

"Answers to my questions seem to me to be much more important than the block of metal."

"Your insight surprises us. The answer to carefully selected questions is certainly much more important."

I was surprised that they agreed to my request so quickly and easily; they suddenly seemed much more friendly.

"In that case, I would like to know what your spacecraft looks like, and, more important, how it is powered."

"You disappoint us with this question about technical knowledge. The most dangerous natural law governing the development of an intelligent people states: a highly technological society does away with all discrimination or self-destructs. To supply technical information to a people like yourselves is a serious crime against the cosmic laws. The last thing that you need is technological information to increase the gap between your intellectual development and your almost nonexistent social development. Carry on playing with your Mars 'probes for the moment, as half of your world's population lives in poverty and hunger. The only information you need lies in the field of societal standards."

I was terribly disappointed. There went my dream of learning breathtaking technical discoveries.

"I am afraid that very few people would be interested in that kind of information."

"We are afraid so too."

"When do you think that the time will be ripe to give us information about space travel?"

"The cosmic isolation of an intelligent race can only be lifted when the minimum culture level has been reached; we call it 'social stability."
"Hmm... and this conversation, then?"
"We feel ourselves justified, because of your actions, in supplying certain small pieces of information which will set the present generation to thinking."
"What do you call a socially stable culture?"
"We could give you the answer, but we doubt that you would understand it."
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from 'Thiaoouba Prophecy” http://www.lanuovaumanita.net/files/tp-typeset.pdf
-Michel DeMarquet, the 'abductee' meets the 'leader' of Thiaoouba;
Abruptly, the ‘leader’ broke the silence. “As Thao has already explained to you, Michel, you have been chosen by us, to visit our planet, in order to report certain messages and to offer enlightenment on several important issues when you return to Earth. The time has come when certain events must occur. After several thousand years of darkness and savagery on the planet Earth, a so-called civilization’ appeared and, inevitably, technology was developed - a development, which was accelerated during the last 150 years.

It has been 14 500 years since a comparable level of technological advance existed on Earth. This technology, which is nothing compared with true knowledge, is nevertheless, sufficiently advanced to become harmful to the human race on Earth in the very near future.

Harmful, because it is only material knowledge and not spiritual knowledge. Technology should assist spiritual development, not confine people, more and more, within a materialistic world, as is happening now on your planet.

To an even greater extent, your people are obsessed with a single goal - affluence. Their lives are concerned with all that the pursuit of wealth entails; envy, jealousy, hatred of those richer and contempt for those poorer. In other words your technology, which is nothing compared with what existed on Earth more than 14 500 years ago, is dragging your civilization down, and pushing it closer and closer to moral and spiritual catastrophe.”

-more from another chapter;
The real dangers on Earth, in order of ‘importance’ are: first money then politicians; third journalists and drugs and fourth religions. These dangers in no way relate to nuclear arms.

If the people on Earth are wiped out by a nuclear cataclysm, their Astral beings will go where they must after death and the natural order of death and rebirth will be maintained.
The danger does not lie in the death of the physical body, as millions believe: the danger exists in the way in which one lives.

On your planet, money is the worst of all evils. Try now, to imagine life without money...
You see,’ said Thao who had ‘read’ my efforts, ‘you can’t even imagine such a life, for you are caught up in the system.

However, just two hours ago, you saw that the people of Mu were able to meet their needs without spending any money. You noticed, I know, that the people were very happy and highly advanced.
The civilization of Mu revolved around the community - both spiritually and materially, and it thrived. Of course, you must not confuse ‘community’ with ‘communism’, as exists in certain countries on Earth. Communism, as practiced on Earth, is the essential part of totalitarian regimes rather than democratic, and, as such, is degrading for Man.”

-Here, another alien, from another planet is introduced to Michel...;
“He was very small in stature, perhaps 150 centimeters but what was most striking about him was that he was as wide as he was tall - just like a square. His head was completely round and sat directly on his shoulders. What had at first sight brought to mind an Indian chief, was his hair, which was more like feathers, colored yellow, red and blue, rather than hair. His eyes were quite red and his face was ‘flattened’ almost like a Mongoloid face. He had no eyebrows but lashes that were four times as long as mine. He had been given a robe like mine, although quite different in color. The limbs that extended beyond the robe were of the same light blue color as his face. His Aura, silvery in places, shone brightly and around his head was a strong halo of gold.”

“Arki,” the Thaora (leader) was saying, “this is Michel, from the planet Earth. I welcome you to Thiaoouba, Arki. May The Spirit enlighten you.”

Addressing me, he continued. “Arki has come to visit us from the planet X”. (I am not allowed to reveal the name of this planet, nor the reason I have been forbidden to do so.) “And we thank him in the name of The Spirit and all the Universe, just as we thank you, Michel, for your willingness to collaborate with us in our mission.

Arki has come in his Agoura (ship) at our request, especially to meet you, Michel.
We wanted you to see with your own eyes and touch with your own hands, an extra-planetarian quite different from our own race. Arki inhabits a planet of the same category as Earth, although it is very different in certain respects. These ‘differences’ are essentially physical and have contributed, over the course of time, to the physical appearance of the people.

We also wanted to show you several things, Michel. Arki and his fellow beings are highly evolved both technologically and spiritually which might surprise you considering you will find his appearance ‘abnormal’, even monstrous. However, you can see by his Aura that he is highly spiritual and good. We also wanted to show you, by this experience, that we can give you for a time, the gift not only of seeing Auras, but of understanding all languages - and that, without recourse to telepathy.”

-Arki speaks;
‘Michel, I am very pleased to meet you and would have liked to be welcoming you as a guest on my own planet.’ I thanked him warmly, and filled with such emotion, began the sentence in French and finished it in English, which he, likewise, had no difficulty understanding!

He continued. ‘At the request of the great Thaora, I have come to Thiaoouba from planet X, a planet that resembles yours in many ways. It is twice larger than Earth, with 15 billion inhabitants but, like Earth and other planets of the first category, it’s a ‘Planet of Sorrows’. Our problems are much the same as yours: we have had two nuclear holocausts during our existence on our planet and we have experienced dictatorships, crime, epidemics, cataclysms, a monetary system and all that is associated with it, religions, cults and other things.

However, eighty of our years ago (our year lasts four hundred and two 21-hour-days) we initiated a reform. In fact, the reform was set in motion by a group of four people from a small village on the shores of one of our largest oceans. This group, comprising three men and one woman, preached peace, love and freedom of expression.

They travelled to the capital city of their country and requested an audience with the leaders. Their request was denied for the regime was dictatorial and military. For six days and five nights, the four slept in front of the palace gates, eating nothing and drinking little water.

Their perseverance attracted public attention and by the sixth day, a crowd of 2000 had gathered in front of the palace. With feeble voices, the four preached to the crowd of uniting in love to change the regime - until guards put an end to their ‘sermon’ by shooting the four and threatening to shoot members of the crowd if they did not disperse. This they quickly did, in genuine fear of the guards. Nevertheless, a seed had been sown in the minds of the people. On reflection, thousands of them came to realize that, without a peaceful understanding, they were powerless, absolutely powerless.

Word was passed around among the people - rich and poor, employer and employee, worker and foreman, and one day, six months later, the entire nation came to a standstill.

In the face of the people’s determination, the police, the army and the Dictator were forced to capitulate. The only deaths to occur during this incident were the 23 fanatics who comprised the Tyrant’s personal guard - the soldiers were obliged to shoot them in order to reach him.’
“Was he hanged?” I asked.

Arki smiled. “Why, no, Michel. The people were through with violence. He was deported instead, to a place where he could do no further harm, and, in fact their example inspired his reform. He found, again, the path of love and respect for individual liberty. He died, eventually, repentant for all that he had done. Now, that nation is the most successful on our planet, but, as on yours, there are other nations under the domination of violent totalitarian regimes and we are doing all in our power to help them.

We know that all we do in this life is an apprenticeship, offering us the possibility of graduating to a superior existence and even freeing us forever of our physical bodies. You must know, too, that the planets are categorized and that it is possible for entire populations to emigrate to another, when their planet is in danger, but no-one can do so if the new planet is not of the same category.
Being, overpopulated ourselves and, having highly advanced technology, we have visited your planet with a view to establish a settlement there - an idea we decided against since your degree of evolution would bring us more harm than good.

I’m sorry, Michel, but I am saying my piece without hypocrisy. We still visit Earth but only as observers, interested in studying, and learning from you, your errors. We never intervene because that is not our role, and we would never invade your planet, as this would be a backward step for us. You are not to be envied - materially, technologically or spiritually.”

In Unity, Peace and Love

[norman]

"an extra-planetarian"


That's a neat way of saying it.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Perhaps none of the above.

We could be under quarantine.

The evil souls have an orgy here every thousand years or so, like current time/events. If our cosmic family has all the evil in one place, it stops the disruptions of their civilizations.


Heard the above from the common sense show in part 2 at about 43 minutes:

“America’s Pol Pot, Death Squads” (part 1 of 2)
[audio src="http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/commonsenseshow/hr2032915.mp3" /]
“America’s Pol Pot, Death Squads” (part 2 of 2)
[audio src="http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/commonsenseshow/hr3032915.mp3" /]

[phillipbbg]

If I were looking from outside I would scratch my whatever I had and look at Earth as a polluted fish bowl filled with squabbling white/black/red/yellow fish swimming around whilst seeing who could crap and fowl the most in the bowl....

Nah move on

As a foot note:

It was invaded some time back when it was worth invading BY US....

[Magnus]

Do we REALLY exist in flesh, on a planet? Why does one have to have a physical position on a planet at all? Imagination is such a beautiful thing. Tomorrow is another day. OP is groovy!

[Innocent Warrior]

My thoughts -


Invaders are already here, but for some reason aren't showing themselves. (Some of them may even be in human bodies: the perfect disguise.)

Bingo! They don't show themselves because infiltration is more effective than straight out invasion. We're ridiculously powerful beings, no way could they take us head on, better to work on us until there's no trace of awareness of our power left and better for us to believe their nature is ours and that they don't even exist.


It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.

Kinda, more like we're their version of us.

[Mike]

wow, youre all so waaaay off. its almost embarrassing how wrong you all are.

come on, its blatantly obvious: we havent been invaded because all the aliens are kind and benevolent. havent you heard???

http://truthfall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/dr-steven-greer.jpg


:wink:

[Wide-Eyed]

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Mars was nuked Pentagon said go ahead publish, no one will even debate Dr Bradenburg not even on radio.

[Calz]

wow, youre all so waaaay off. its almost embarrassing how wrong you all are.

come on, its blatantly obvious: we havent been invaded because all the aliens are kind and benevolent. havent you heard???

:wink:


I think the "wink" gave you away there Seadog ... :thumbsup:

https://collapseofindustrialcivilization.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/59580_580341021980283_1472413725_n.jpg

[Wide-Eyed]

.
... and that's a serious question.

It was prompted by araucaria's wonderful remark here, in response to
If Aliens Give Us 24 Hours To Prove That Humanity Is “Worthy Of Existence”, What Do We Do? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89494-If-Aliens-Give-Us-24-Hrs-To-Prove-That-Humanity-Is-Worthy-Of-Existence)


I'd say you've already had at least 24,000 years to size us up and if the jury is still out, then I'd say case dismissed.

After I'd stopped laughing :bigsmile: — I realized it left a very good, and different, question unanswered.

There's no doubt that Planet Earth is prime interstellar real estate. It's a magnificently beautiful planet, with a huge genetic diversity, and all kinds of natural resources. We might be able to defend ourselves now against alien invaders (maybe) — but a short while ago, surely we could not.

So there seem to be several possibilities:


Taking over another planet (or this planet) is against some galactic law, agreement or protocol.



Invaders are already here, but for some reason aren't showing themselves. (Some of them may even be in human bodies: the perfect disguise.)



We're already someone's property, and whoever owns us won't allow anyone else to interfere (very much).



It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.



It happened a long time ago, and there was a major high-tech war, which we lost... resulting in a ceasefire and a 'Cosmic Versailles' (Joseph Farrell's thought-provoking term, presented here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcoUJfCAPE)). *


This is a reference to the Treaty of Versailles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles), following the end of the First World War. The Germans were subjugated, and were legally required to make all kinds of heavy-duty reparations to the allied victors.


It's also possible that the reality is some combination of the above. There could also be other factors not considered — which, just maybe, we can't even conceive of... and are incapable of understanding.

Excellent lecture of Dr.Farrell's "Cosmic Versailles" From Secret Space Program 11/15 - Should be it's own thread, thanks for posting all lectures Bill very:muscle:
IMHO .
mLBo4REJdBs

[onawah]

Posted here by me: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=1054323&viewfull=1#post1054323



http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...421#post803421
and other posts related to it in that discussion, deal with a subject which I think has not yet been thoroughly enough examined or discussed as yet, and it has to do with the role of the Mantids.
PA member Truman Cash, also an Experiencer by his own admission, has a very different take on just what that is than Simon does. (Simon is still apparently, by his own admission, being influenced by the Mantid he calls "Mum".)

From: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post908374
Posted by TrumanCash

I have seen this thread keep popping up from time to time, which I think is an indication that it is important to people as well as being mysterious.

What I discovered is that the reality behind it is knowable, subjectively, but not yet knowable for the general public, so to speak. I covered this subject in a recent interview for the Project Avalon Forum.

This subject is very touchy for some because it necessarily touches on the subject of religion. After all, people often report seeing dead relatives in NDEs or receiving divine knowledge and so forth. If taken literally it would indicate the existence of "heaven", an after life where one can still have one's body that one had in the earthly life and continue living forever without aging or death.

But what if it's an illusion? What if it's an intended deception? It appears on its face that there are sentient beings behind this phenomenon who are apparently creating and perpetuating it. Why aren't they being up front about it and telling us what it's all about? Why all the secrecy? Is that a red flag we should pay attention to?

What I and many other people have discovered for ourselves is that this is one of the biggest secrets.

What I discovered is that one can discover for himself or herself what this is all about. To do so one must conduct extensive past life therapy and research. In doing so, the in-between lives incidents will start to show up.

In short, the going-to-the-light phenomenon is accomplished with technology. The "light beings" that people see in NDEs are actually Mantis ETs who use an ability which can best be described as telepathic hypnosis. The Mantis ETs work in a coordinated conspiracy to establish dead end religions on this planet as well as secret societies to keep us in a state of confusion and chaos, which equates to spiritual darkness. Fortunately, things are indeed changing and we appear to be gradually evolving out of that paradigm.



Truman also commented here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68916-Don-t-go-into-the-light-Discussion-thread&p=803421#post803421

This has been discussed on similar threads, but for those who are not aware of my experiences with this phenomenon, I will comment again here.

Not everyone "goes to the light" at body death. I have recovered several in-between life experiences vis-a-vis this planet of going toward the light at the end of tunnel.

This is, from our perspective as Earthbound humans, some incredibly high technology. What is at the end of the tunnel is nothing more than an implantation mothership. My take on the tunnel is that it is a kind of vortex or wormhole. Not being a physicist I cannot accurately describe the technology.

Simon Parkes uses the word "processing" instead of implant. He said that they are automated but also manned by Grays. However, in my experiences with these implanting stations it is the Mantids who are running the show. They disguise themselves as glowing beings. It is a deception. They implant false realities via what can best be described as telepathic hypnosis, e.g., dead relatives, etc, etc.

From my own past life memories I discovered that I was trying to stop the abductions on planet Earth over 15 thousand years ago. The Mantids apparently didn't like my interfering with their operations so they captured me nearly 12,400 years ago, implanted me in a body and set me back on Earth. Since then they have been following me lifetime to lifetime and making sure I report in to the implant station whenever I "die" in order to keep me from being a problem to their operations.

Simon has also confirmed that the Mantids not only orchestrate abductions but they also have the technology to implant a spiritual being into a body and even transfer a being from one body to another.

I am no longer at war with them as war and fighting is not a permanent, viable solution to the problem. It appears that they are implanted to be implanters and they are really stuck in that.

Mantids are in cahoots with the Grays and the human-looking bearded "gods"/ETs who have established Earth's god-worshipping religions and secret societies. In other words the Mantis beings are very instrumental in creating and maintaining war and chaos on this planet as well as operating and maintaining the artificial "reincarnation" system on this planet.

I have detailed my experiences vis-a-vis this subject in THE EYE OF RA, which anyone can download free of charge from the Avalon Project website .

TLC
.

[JChombre]

In Unity, Peace and Love

Thank you for providing additional reasons why it would not be in the best interest of an evolved extraterrestrial civilization to invade planet Earth at this point in time. It is simple: yes, technologically we have advanced substantially in the last 150 years but spiritually we remain too primitive to be worth an invasion.

This can be seen here in the US where a large percentage of a major political party is excited about the possibility of being represented in the upcoming presidential election by a candidate who is a bigot, a misogynist, and a xenophobe. Another strange thing here is that, we need our guns to be whole.

From your post I have learned that they will not invade Earth because:

1) Any truly advanced race knows that to 'invade' another planet is against the law of Free Will and Universal Law.

2) We do not have the values, the ethics, of a developed civilization. Because of this, the human race has, as yet, no chance of eternal survival. It blocks the way to cosmic integration.

3) The cosmic isolation of an intelligent race can only be lifted when the minimum culture level has been reached; we call it 'social stability.

4) Arki says: "Being, overpopulated ourselves and, having highly advanced technology, we have visited your planet with a view to establish a settlement there - an idea we decided against since your degree of evolution would bring us more harm than good".

5) He continues: "We never intervene because that is not our role, and we would never invade your planet, as this would be a backward step for us. You are not to be envied - materially, technologically or spiritually".

Many blessings,

JC

[TrumanCash]

"If Aliens Give Us 24 Hours To Prove That Humanity Is 'Worthy Of Existence', What Do We Do?" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89523-So-Why-hasn-t-Planet-Earth-been-invaded&p=1054464&viewfull=1#post1054464)

Hmmmm.....How about we give aliens 24 hours to prove that they are "worthy of existence"?

TLC

[TrumanCash]

wow, youre all so waaaay off. its almost embarrassing how wrong you all are.

come on, its blatantly obvious: we havent been invaded because all the aliens are kind and benevolent. havent you heard???

http://truthfall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/dr-steven-greer.jpg


:wink:

Has anybody besides me noticed that this guy looks a lot like Homer Simpson?

Doh!!! :doh:

http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/content/pictures/homer/HomerSimpson36.gif

[uzn]

Back to the main question:
Lets take a way more simpler approach.
All Kids like to go to the Zoo. They take their offsprings here and tell them: Look that happens if you do not evolve your spiritual side. And the kids go: thats horrible (disgusting). And back home they are like: I am attending spiritual evolvment class and astral projection this week. you wanna come to the yogaworkshop today ?
;)

[Eric J (Viking)]

How about this is a Earth School for lessons and experience ...perhaps we are here at this time learning/experiencing towards our goal of 'graduation day'... ?

Why would ET interfere with the learning process...

Viking

[betoobig]

As i see it invasion allready happened. We are in our way to real freedome.
Not long ago Bill opened a thread in which he told us about a "meeting" with a friend who had passed and wanted to warn him (sorry i can not find the thread i am talking about to post the link) ... Now i believe he was warning about how things are in the astral plane thus another dimension, there is a war up there you can not see. A war to free us. The ones who claim our ownership, the ones who keep us enslave against the ones who want us free. This last ones want us free becouse if we dont evolve they wont either, so they are really fighting for their own agenda, an agenda that is good for us... They are afraid of the domino effect on the universe if we do not succed by our own.
Imo.
Much love

[Daozen]

I vote "all of the above". Plus there is the theory that this is an "Avatar planet" i.e. a simulcrum, and therefore off limits for direct intervention. There is fairly strong evidence to suggest there's a strong, unbreakable shield a few hundred miles up. The ISS space station videos were faked. Look at their perms.

I'm also reminded of this testimonial:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_18zb.htm


“If you were a highly advanced culture about to invade a relatively primitive culture, you would not do it with a flourish of ships showing up in the heavens, and take the risk of being fired upon.

That’s the type of warfare less evolved mortals would get into. You would begin by creating intense confusion, with only Inferences of your presence, Inferences which cause controversial disagreement;

You would go to the most secret and powerful organizations within the society. In the case of the United States, you would infiltrate the CIA, and through the use of techniques unknown to them, you would take over some of the key people in their inmost core group.

You would proceed in the same fashion to take over key members of the KGB.

You would also create great dissension among the public at large, some individuals and groups insisting that they have seen UFOs, others insisting with equal vehemence that such a thing is not possible, and that they are either liars or deluded.

You would involve the planet’s two major nations in an on-going idiotic philosophical dispute, keeping them constantly at each other’s throats over such questions as whether Thomas Jefferson was greater than Karl Marx or vice-versa.

You would keep them continuously occupied with quarreling like two adolescent boys trying to prove their masculinity over who has which piece of territory, whether one has the right to invade Afghanistan or the other has the right to invade Nicaragua, persistently exchanging threats and insults like a couple of macho teen-agers, while arguing whether one should dismantle one type of nuclear warhead, or the other should dismantle another type of nuclear warhead.

As you watched all this, you would sit back and you would laugh. If you had the capacity to laugh.

*

You would make yourselves known to various elite in groups, who would offer you protection out of greed, expecting to acquire more perfect knowledge than anyone else on the planet of this ultimate secret to end all secrets.

They would covet you, and you would trust their covetousness and their crass stupidity to trap them. You would do it on both sides of the Iron Curtain.

You would occasionally let your ships be seen by some of the ordinary citizens, so that the elite governmental groups would become Involved in attempts to keep them quiet, clumsily squelching attempts to make information about UFO activity public. This would result in the mass population losing confidence in the veracity of their elected officials.

There would be constant arguments between the authorities and the public as to whether or not the persistently reported phenomena genuinely existed, thereby setting the population and the government at each other’s throats. You would have already set the two major superpowers at each other’s throats.

By subtly causing economic turmoil, you would set the “Haves”and the “Have Nots” at each other’s throats. In all possible ways, you would plant the seeds of massive discontent.

After you had manipulated the population to the point where your covert control over it was complete, you might decide to go overt, and let a few ships land in public. But you would not go from covert to overt until you were sure of the totality of your control.

You would start doing cross-breeds, escalating the process to the maximum from generation to generation. As the process continued, you would begin to have more and more creatures walking around who were obviously hybrids between the Grays and humans. Perhaps in a century or two, some of the Grays would begin to physically Intermingle with Earthlings.

But for the time being, anything that walks around will at least look as if it is human. This arrangement is simpler, because it keeps mass panic to a minimum.

The Grays would not be at all reluctant to change their appearance. In comparison with most of the other space races, they are considered rather repulsive. They are interbreeding with humans on an ever-increasing scale, and there are going to be a lot more three-month interrupted pregnancies.

Those who have experienced UFO sightings or ET close encounters will constantly be at odds with the government, which will continue to retaliate by stigmatizing them as liars or deluded. The U.S. and the U.S.S.R. will continue to play their adolescent prestige games with nuclear weaponry.

The impoverished will become even more impoverished, and more filled to overflowing with explosively righteous anger. The wealthy will cling even more greedily to the wealth that they already have, creating a social atmosphere of sheer desperation and complete confusion.

To add to that, there will be series after series of “natural” disasters, some genuinely natural, some human-induced through aberrant scientific activities such as underground nuclear testing, others deliberately Induced by the Grays through the technology they are in possession of. When approximately three-quarters of the planet’s population has been eliminated in this fashion, the Grays can then make an overt appearance as saviors from the skies, distributing food and medicine to the survivors.

As the survivors line up to receive their quotas of food and medicine. Implants will be Inserted, supposedly to aid in further food distribution, actually to guarantee complete Gray control with no possibility of rebellion. From the point of view of the Grays, terrestrial humanity will have been reduced to manageable numbers and to eternal submission.

Humanity is not about to be invaded. Humanity is not in the middle of an invasion. Humanity has been invaded! The invasion has taken place, and Is nearly in its final stages. Great invasions do not happen with thundering smoke and nuclear weaponry. That is the mark of an immature society. Great Invasions happen in secrecy.

You throw a crumb out here and there. You bribe the U.S. government with a few tidbits - a Stealth bomber, a Star Wars system.

You encourage the government to think that the UFO researchers Indeed threaten the security of this great secret they have. You tempt and tease the Soviet Union with a laser system far finer than any their own scientists could think of.

And you always keep that subtle Inference just on the borderline of consciousness that the elusive will-of-the-wisps termed UFOs may in fact exist, yet you persistently repress this borderline perception, and make it seem so Insane that there is a social stigma attached to declaring one’s conviction that the phenomena are in fact real.

While all this confusion is going on, the Grays are gradually changing you over. The inner core of the CIA is deeply controlled by the Grays.

The CIA see the Grays as a path to greater scientific achievement, as a way of overpowering the Soviet enemy, surprisingly enough, the obtuse collective mentality type that makes up the bulk of the CIA also makes up the bulk of the more fanatic Star People, those who babble and mush and gush so endlessly.

All those who have to cleave to or be fused with some sort of group mentality leave themselves wide open. They have already been taken over. There is a large and ever-growing cult of contactees who think of the Grays as liberators, sincerely believing them to be heavenly Star Brothers who have come to help humanity.

The reason the awful little Grays mutilate animals is the stuff that they eat. They eat pulverized hormonic secretions, what you would call subtle essences. They live on the stuff of life. There is something deathlike about their species. They always bring about the death of animation, the death of individuality.

How do I know? I am a Blond of Procyon.

We were a culture that could travel through time, but also lived on a planetary sphere. And the little Grays, our insidious little friends, did to us exactly what they are doing now to you. This is what happened to our planet.

Having come in war, but having been unable to obtain any decisive victory, the Grays expressed the desire to make peace. We had not wanted to fight with the survivors of the Rigelian Great War to begin with, and gladly accepted their offer.

As time went by, they said they wished to normalize relations and be our friends.

We were in doubt as to whether it would be safe to trust them, and debated the Issue for a long time before finally deciding that we should trust them, as they were the only other surviving remnant of our original ancestral stock, though horribly deformed by the misfortunes they had endured.

The Grays began to visit us, first a few as ambassadors, then as specialists In various domains where their expertise could be useful to us, as participants in different programs that developed which involved mutual collaboration, and finally as tourists.

What had begun as a trickle became a flood, as they came in ever-increasing numbers, slowly but surely infiltrating our society at all levels, penetrating even the most secret of our elite power groups...

The one secret that remained beyond their grasp, because the part of their intelligence that was capable of understanding its subtle complexities had atrophied during the nuclear winter that had caused the mutation of their species, was our ability to transcend time and travel through time.

How then did we fail to foresee our own future, and the fatal mistake we were making when we first let them in?

Just as on your planet they began by unobtrusively gaining control over key members of the CIA and KGB through techniques unknown to them, such as telepathic hypnosis that manipulates the reptilian levels of the brain, so on Procyon through the same techniques, whose existence we were not aware of either, from the start they established a kind of telepathic hypnotic control over our leaders.

Over our leaders and over almost all of us, because it was as if we were under a spell that was leading us to our doom, as if we were being programmed by a type of ritual black magic that we did not realize existed.

[OmeyocaN777]

We are not invaded.......they are here from the beginning.....earth is a grand experiment as it happens in many planets in our galaxy.
This experiment started before many millions of years (500 at least). The cataclysmic events that happened before revealed to us how unsuccessful we had been...so it starts again with some upgrades in our dna.
We must prove to the higher intelligence that create us that we are worthy to stand next to them.....the final purpose is to be creators like them but first we must prove that we have the capacity and the wisdom to possess that kind of power with harmony without catastrophic behaviors....
The malevolent forces that inhabited earth are following rules and laws (free will), this means that they are a necessary evil to helps us growth.
The power of will, use it for creativity and unity and not for any kind of wars or destructions.
Find peace inside us and outside in "external" forces, find the golden mean in our actions with everything so we can unfold and awake our inner lost forgotten power.
That is what my heart and my intuition tells me....
Remember who you really are....fulfil your destiny.
Namaste

[PurpleLama]

Perhaps we are all just the stars of a cosmic reality tv show.... A whole galaxy full of folks just waiting to see what those crazy humans on Sol 3 will get up to next.

[NeedleThreader]

Loving this thread, thank you Bill.

I feel like they are here to gently oversee the human race right now. If we spiral out of control and let the dark side win, it will have a huge ripple effect on the universe and they don't want that.

After many years of reading about 'races' of ETs being in cahoots with the Gov't, I have concluded for my own sanity that there really is no reason why this would be happening. Any evolved species that can travel light years to reach us won't need permission from some jerk off in charge to do something. This would break prime directive anyway. I firmly believe that 'draconian led gov't shapeshifter, etc' is a massive disinformation strategy against truth seekers. READ: The Ruiner, Charles Material.

Through several personal experiences of my own of have been led to believe that there are at least some friendly folks up there.

[Citizen No2]

Bill wrote:



So there seem to be several possibilities:

*Taking over another planet (or this planet) is against some galactic law, agreement or protocol.

*Invaders are already here, but for some reason aren't showing themselves. (Some of them may even be in human bodies: the perfect disguise.)

*We're already someone's property, and whoever owns us won't allow anyone else to interfere (very much).

*It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.

*It happened a long time ago, and there was a major high-tech war, which we lost... resulting in a ceasefire and a 'Cosmic Versailles' (Joseph Farrell's thought-provoking term, presented here). *

How about non of the above?

Maybe it is just Us, that we are to blame for the sad state we find ourselves in....... I know, it's a bitter pill to swallow. It means taking responsibility for ourselves and our actions, taking responsibility for the shocking state of the Planet, taking responsibility for giving away our power to those that will use it against us.

"We are not to blame...... It was an Alien race in the past", or "They are going to return and fix everything.... You'll see". That train of thought requires Us to do nothing today, that we are powerless and have handed our responsibility to something else, Aliens. It may well be that We have been visited in the past, a long time ago or recently, and certain secret's were shared. It may well be that We are someone else's experiment gone awry......... Or maybe we aren't worth the trouble.

It's all 'maybe's' and 'what-if's'....... If news were to break now, globally, on every tv station, that yes indeed, an Alien race came and we were fought for and won by the Alien race eons ago, and somehow this is why the World is in the sorry state it is, honestly would it effect you? Would you have a paradigm shifting experience? Would it rock your World?

"It ain't where yo from it's where yo at" rapped Eric B, and rightly so. What does it matter, really, about what has gone before? We have some challenges ahead of us the likes of which have not been seen in recorded history. I think we call all agree that the people, here on Planet Earth, that we have traditionally handed our power to, have lied about many, many things...... With so much corrupted data, it is an impossibility to arrive at a conclusion with the confidence that the result is definitive.

It may well be that our Planet has not been invaded by an Alien species because there is none.

It may well be that our Planet has not been invaded by an Alien species because, unlike L'Oreal, we're not worth it.

It is Us.


Regards.

[ghostrider]

A group of space traveling human beings, evolved too quickly and were easy prey for other races , so new humans were created to be used as short lived warriors with limited brain capabilities... So we were genetically modified and after we were no longer needed some of the overlords wanted us killed, others wanted us kept alive, so a small group working together smuggled as many of us as they could and placed us on the outer rim of a remote galaxy, hidden from the Syrian creator overlords... Man is stupid sending signals into cosmic space, for one day a conflict with the overlords is inevitable... The Plejaren watch over us until we can travel in cosmic space then we are on our own...part of their coming here is to warn of these space traveling warriors ...

[Sunny-side-up]

ghostrider

A group of space traveling human beings, evolved too quickly and were easy prey for other races , so new humans were created to be used as short lived warriors with limited brain capabilities... So we were genetically modified and after we were no longer needed some of the overlords wanted us killed, others wanted us kept alive, so a small group working together smuggled as many of us as they could and placed us on the outer rim of a remote galaxy, hidden from the Syrian creator overlords... Man is stupid sending signals into cosmic space, for one day a conflict with the overlords is inevitable... The Plejaren watch over us until we can travel in cosmic space then we are on our own...part of their coming here is to warn of these space traveling warriors ... :)


Concerning 'J-Rod'
According to some people and talks he was kept in the 'Clean-Sphere'
He physically could just live here, he/they are not designed to live here in the flesh!
So they created us, the avatars for them to live in.

There are those from out-there that are very closely related to us, some have the same problems as J-Rod but some (with-Meds) can live, and do live here already.

Or
Because we are actually in their mental institute!
We are the souls from many out-there races that are damaged, become-corrupted, mad and don't fit in.
They do come here and regularly inspect us, try to treat us etc O.0

Or we are mad-co-creators in our own prison, we imagine them into our realm.
When all along we are quite able to be in every part of the so called universe, if we just put our minds to it :)


I like this one: There is no invasion it is evasion.

We are them or at least a few of them that managed to get away from the Massive-Hive reality that trillions and trillions of them (us) have to experience as daily life, the universe is maxed-out and full.

We managed to create this bouble (Earth) (An escapr-pod) but, more and more are managing to get through to us (But only a few manage to break in and survive) and so we are now once again overcrowding but in our own free-will's

[Pam]

I feel like the reason that there has not been an invasion is because it isn't a part of the interactive program that we are living in. I'm sure that could be subject to change if the rules of the game are modified.

[Pam]

We are not invaded.......they are here from the beginning.....earth is a grand experiment as it happens in many planets in our galaxy.
This experiment started before many millions of years (500 at least). The cataclysmic events that happened before revealed to us how unsuccessful we had been...so it starts again with some upgrades in our dna.
We must prove to the higher intelligence that create us that we are worthy to stand next to them.....the final purpose is to be creators like them but first we must prove that we have the capacity and the wisdom to possess that kind of power with harmony without catastrophic behaviors....
The malevolent forces that inhabited earth are following rules and laws (free will), this means that they are a necessary evil to helps us growth.
The power of will, use it for creativity and unity and not for any kind of wars or destructions.
Find peace inside us and outside in "external" forces, find the golden mean in our actions with everything so we can unfold and awake our inner lost forgotten power.
That is what my heart and my intuition tells me....
Remember who you really are....fulfil your destiny.
Namaste


OmeyocaN777, What a lovely response. I hope that this is the truth of things. Really, it does make sense.

[truthseekerdan]

My thoughts -


It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.

Kinda, more like we're their version of us.


Or perhaps The ONE, is playing us all...

[Lefty Dave]

Greetings Bill, et al...
There seems to be enough information to conclude: that several types of humanoids (and other sentient lifeforms) have populated Earth throughout time; that recurring cosmic events shake Earth on a cyclical basis, reducing or removing species from the surface world; that so called 'intelligent' aspects of 'civilization' must start over every 3 or 4 thousand years, ...so...who or what passing astronaut or 'ship' (or floating city!) would want to get caught up in such redundancy ..!
Rhetorical!
Thanks for this thread Sir, there are some beautiful responses...
Blessings
end of line.

[Michael Moewes]

Very apealing conclusions, Bill.
Must agree that you've nailed it.
The combination of all above is possible.
I also believe that once we've been invaded many many centuries ago, the intergalactic alliance put into law the right for personal developement.
So that no other planet would have to suffer the same faith we had to.
But this is only a thought.

[Michi]

How about that ...


And let me tell you what an augustan job THAT was!! Boy!! What they say and DO on Planet Earth!!! I thought I had heard everything (especially from space pirates) but I learned a few new ones in Mission Earth... Yikes!! I'm still repairing some circuits!!

So don't blame me for what the characters say and do, no matter how it conflicts with good sense, logic, public morality or known facts. I merely translated it.

But I can see now why there is no Earth.

With due respect to that great Saturnian, you'd have to be NUTS to live there!



Sincerely,
54 Charlee Nine
Robotbrain in the Translatophone

from "Mission Earth", Vol 1 by L.Ron Hubbard

[sommervr]

I think Earth is a giant chicken coop and we are the chickens. No need to invade a chicken coop just take what you want. Let them breed, don't let the chicken coop burn down, otherwise hands off.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Invaded? You have to be equals to invade. Otherwise it is just an annexation.

I think earth has many races of aliens on it at this very moment. I also believe that we are not in control of this planet like we think we are. We cannot even claim ownership of earth. That will be a hard pill to swallow when all this comes out at last.

We are the invaders, and our homes are from elsewhere.

[bettye198]

Jumping on this train just now.
I had the same thoughts as Bill and others for decades. I so wanted to know, really know the history of Earth and fell upon the books of the Voyagers by Ashayana Deane, a first speaker of the CDT plates infused with the history from the 13-14-15th Dimensional beings who did the infusing. Evidently, this material has been presented by various speakers of these plates in many generations prior. Jesus was one. So, after reading the books several times over ( because it is so complex with detail even though it is readable) I have come to a resonance in my being that said, Sure, Why Not? Makes perfect sense! http://www.amazon.com/Voyagers-Sleeping-Abductees-1-2nd/dp/1893183246/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458503033&sr=8-1&keywords=voyagers+by+ashayana+deane and also, http://www.amazon.com/Voyagers-II-Secrets-Ashayana-Deane/dp/1893183254/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=06BWBXJGSV3V22VHYAYE (http://www.amazon.com/Voyagers-Sleeping-Abductees-1-2nd/dp/1893183246/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458503033&sr=8-1&keywords=voyagers+by+ashayana+deane)
To break down the first sentence of the book, 560 million years ago there was a planet named Tara in the 2nd Harmonic Universe and Earth was created by ET beings and races to be the Master Guardians of Tara. It gets very very interesting after that but basically, Earth drama began then, as Earth is in the First Harmonic Universe. Wars and invasions broke Earth off into its own place now in the Solar System. And all the tribes and races and ET's began their fight for territorial control. It is massive reading and even in my own imaginative mind, no one could have made up this story. It is formulated as the history from the Melchisedeck Emerald Cloister Order. If you want backstory, this will keep you entertained and enveloped.
As far as aliens invading this planet, I submit my agreement with the many on this post that believe the aliens have always been here. How could they not? We have proof from the Cuneiform tablets written we think, 3000 yrs ago before the Torah and 5000 yrs before the old Text. It explains the story of the Annunaki, King Anu and his ilk who created the entire agenda of mind control of the masses, religious ritualistic protocol, sacrificial offerings, incest, etc. His kids, Enki and Enlil and the nephew Marduk were never in agreement all fighting for their rights and privileges. I found out the whole oneupmanship of women began then through an act of Enlil's Mother having more status than Enki's Mother and thus, Enlil became heir to the throne. Thus Anu made sure the texts coming from Babylon, degraded women ( via Torah) and Koran and Old Testament by making them subject to men and instead of becoming equals. This is where Christian Paul, Islam and Jews carried the ideology thru Scripture. The Annunaki were fallen angelics and I am guessing not human. They did not have the wisdom or spiritual base to achieve peace, only dominion and control.

The last Pope King named King Attalus of the Annunaki at Pergamum( the altar of Lucifer where sacrifices were offered and did you all know that a mock up of that altar was placed behind Obama at the DNC ? There are pictures of that online) bequeathed his title and structure of priesthood and vestments to Rome and thus we have all the same rituals and vestments and agendas from the RCC. Enlil built the Sphinx which demonstrated the Annunaki royal crest with the wings plucked off, as metaphorically saying, were were cast out of heaven. Since then, after settling in Egypt and the symbols were carried on, obelisks, pyramids, dragon statues and gargoyles. There is even a statue of Pope Gregory XIII on top of a dragon which denotes, He is the Roman Pontiff, the spokesman of the dragon and Roman empire where the dragon exercises his authority .

The alien invasion is infused in history and its remarks, its control, its symbols, its terrifying rituals, its use and abuse of Children ( because a child's terror evokes a hormone response and that feeds the dark). Because they have the capacity to dominate minds and spirits of those who allow them to, they exist. If we did not exist they could not be fed on the fuel of terror, anger, hate, jealousy, greed and war.

By the way, the Altar of Pergamum? Here is a ritual to rattle your cage. Virgin women raped on the altar at the Sunrise (Easter) by "Ishtar high priests all dedicated to King Anu, impregnated, forced births at Christmas then the offspring sacrificed on the same altar before age 1 back at the next Easter. And here is what gave me pause. The blood of the children bathes eggs brought to the altar. Thus more historical ritual -- dying Easter Eggs.

[Valley]

I see that there's a very broad range of different viewpoints with this seemingly simple question... So it seems to me that the 'answer' is likely very complicated... like millions, or even billions of years worth of 'complications'. :)
For me, I would assume that Earth has been the 'stomping grounds' for many different forms of advanced ET life exploring the cosmos, throughout the ages. I also think it's likely that humans here are a hybrid mix of perhaps several different human-like species, with original 'homes' in some far distant solar-systems, or galaxies... mixed with the 'locals'.

The main difficulty in answering the OP's question lies in Us not knowing our own ancient past. It does appear that the Earth has gone through some major cataclysms in the ancient past... So it would be easy to imagine that multiple advanced civilizations could have been 'knocked' back to the Stone Age. Also, the further we look back into remains of ancient human cultures, the more advanced they seem to have been, in many cases... and with very different and bizarre languages, symbols, and knowledge.

I can only conclude that it's a 'mixed bag'... and that there have likely already been multiple 'invasions', mixed with 'friendly landings'... and that there are almost an uncountable number of different dynamics going on... and that the general population on the planet is purposely being 'kept in the dark' by one or more intelligent and 'sneaky' groups.

The nice thing is that a lot of 'hidden history' has been becoming more and more available these days... and I expect that with this trend, that 'the cats will fully be let out of the bag' in the near future. What I mean by that is that I think we are being 'readied'/prepared for a full-scale 'history lesson' from those that do know... whether they are from here, elsewhere, or both... There appears to be a 'changing of the guard', as far as I can tell.

[David Ansible]

I question the assumption: "There's no doubt that Planet Earth is prime interstellar real estate."

What makes you say that, with possibly a billion earth like planets in the milky way alone, as NASA has
estimated? At the least, there is some doubt, no?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Square footage is still prime real estate, in a universe mostly composed of empty space, no?

[ozmirage]

Partially furred, electrically powered water filled gas processing meat bags inhabited by sentient multidimensional beings ARE invaders...

[David Ansible]

Square footage is still prime real estate, in a universe mostly composed of empty space, no?

Uh, no, not necessarily. Why would you say that? If you have the tech to go anywhere in the galaxy very quickly, and if there is a superabundance
of Earth-like planets, Earth wouldn't necessarily be prime, certainly not in the sense that an invasion would make sense.

[Valley]

I wonder who you're quoting there?... Not me. I never said "there's no doubt". It's ok to have doubt, I guess... but all the 'breadcrumbs' I've seen point to there are extremely advanced beings from 'beyond' the scope of most folks imaginations, regularly visiting Earth since ancient times... and still today, with the overwhelming number of UFO eyewitness reports, and 'contactee' stories.

I may be slightly biased too because I also had a 'close encounter' with a seemingly friendly, very aware, and technologically advanced 'group' in a dazzling craft/UFO/flying saucer... :jaw: I shared this story here on Avalon:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84642-My-Close-Encounter-With-A-UFO

I question the assumption: "There's no doubt that Planet Earth is prime interstellar real estate."

What makes you say that, with possibly a billion earth like planets in the milky way alone, as NASA has
estimated? At the least, there is some doubt, no?

[Dennis Leahy]

My guess is that they simply observe us. To them, we are sort of a "zoo planet", (we are also our own zookeepers.)

They cannot possibly want any physical element from here, as a highly advanced civilization capable of space travel would be able to "build" as much of any element as they want. I'd say the same is probably true for chemical compounds - even highly complex biochemical compounds. The species diversity may be the most interesting thing about Earth.

I suspect that it is likely that ETs would recognize humans as a planetary infestation of destructive vermin - even if we are the results of their experimentation. I am convinced that if "they" have not helped us by now, they never will, and so I believe that there probably really is a non-interference principle in play. No invasion/takeover, and no help either. Just tourists (though they probably think of themselves as scientists.)

As for down here on (and under) the surface of the Earth, I don't believe the Bush clan or the royals in England or the Rothschild cabal, or any of the other scum that own and control Earth are "reptoids" or hybrids (any more than the rest of us.) Our battle of good and evil is human-on-human.

[WhiteLove]

Through several personal experiences of my own of have been led to believe that there are at least some friendly folks up there.

Yes, I am sensing that too. It is a force of love, a kind of love that is much greater than what is in our perception of what love is. It is a highly intelligent love, what you are feeling it is feeling too and out of that intelligent love it re-arranges things to match what you need in your particular situation that from unconditional love matches what you've decided to explore. In dream it may choose to contact you, because out of the unconditional love it has for you it relays beautiful messages it knows you need, it does so before certain things happen to soften what comes your way, because that's beyond your current ability to be aware of. It can do so because it is free in time. And it does so because it is unconditional love and it also does so because it is not a violation of free will, it is unconditional love.

So from this perspective the counter question to the question about why invasion has not happened, is why you have and why you are choosing the way you do? That question is easier to answer, the answer is then simply that you've used your free will in this way because an invasion is alien to who you are and what you want to experience.

It might be that if you one day decide you really dramatically want to change and you want to perceive totally different things, then that might lead you to a future where some type of invasion might be part of it. It does not have to be a negative invasion, it could be a neutral invasion, meaning that it is not positive nor is it negative, it just happens because it is what you and they need. But I think that even such an event holds a beautiful vision of unconditional love on its thread.

I realize that I am quite Greer-ish saying these things, because although in absolute terms there might be incredible light and incredibly dense beings out there, relative to who we are and what we need to experience it makes little sense that when we out of love open ourselves to the possibility of being contacted by other beings out there, that those events that manifest from that would be negative beings with an invasion in mind. It is more likely that we are meeting beings that are very similar to us, but spiritually more evolved/in lighter density and hence less limited. So when we reach a high loving point during meditation/prayer then at that point we have used our free will to indicate we are ready for a contact event that takes place in our current physical reality. That's what happened to me. My UFO experience happened under those kinds of conditions. It would be totally distant logics if I would suddenly categorize that event as them sneaking upon me out of their negative being. They simply just wanted me to have a real UFO experience. When the timing was right they showed up. How can they know when I look up to the stars and where I look, that they would exactly then "come down" and appear right there. The answer is that they knew about it before it happened. This leads to totally new questions: What is time and what is being, when time disolves? If you need a certain amount of time disolvement in order to get from one location in space to another location in space, then what are the conditions that opens access to such levels of freedom. One reason why negative entities might not come here and just invade, is because they can't. Our current density is lighter than the density such an invasion would originate from. Hence it might be that this causes certain limitations in regards to where they can go and do what.

So an invasion is possible only if they can get here. Since it has not happened, then maybe it is because they cannot get here. Maybe they can go into, out of some volcano or deep into/from the core of the earth into space, but that's not the same thing as invading earth where people live. So the answer might be that creation works this way, it is designed not to allow free will of lighter density beings to be messed with by more dense beings. It might be physically encoded into the fabric of creation that dense density beings are more limited, more stuck in space and time. We might be poison to them, they might be poison to us. It's not a match, it's not an invasion candidate.

Just look at us, we struggle to create peace on earth and do we get far into space?

The elite's attempts at using ET technology might be why they so desperately want so much power, money etc., because their projects fail so badly relative to what they are attempting to achieve. But it might be that at some point they get it - that you can only get as far into space as your own density.

I find an invasion equally probable as the elite achieving a global nuclear war. The fact that this does not happen, tells us a bit more about the truth. Maybe the very light density intelligences are the ones in charge, while the dense density intelligences desperately keep failing until they get it.

I was thinking of how easily the light density beings move around here. I bet they move in crafts that can more instantly phase into densities that dark densities cannot access and at a slower reaction, because of their denser density that they are limited to. This is the whole thing. It does not matter what the elite does in their dense being, because they will never have the kind of access they need to do what they try to do as long as they keep choosing to use their free will in that way.

To de-militarize and destruct weapons because peace and love is the agenda. That is true power. And true power is probably required to get to distant star systems where there is intelligent human density life.

[Inversion]

In the Wingmakers material they discussed an alien race known as the Animus invading the Earth. They're a synthetic race created by Lucifer. The Wingmakers interviews refer to the vast genetic library of the planet as one of the reasons they come here. Earth is one of the few planets that has nearly everything. Thoth in ancient times used use the Flower of Life ship under the Giza Plateau to fend off an invasion. Races have to approach the terrestrial PTB and request occupancy of the planet. I heard within the last several years there was a race that wanted to put their mother ship in one of our oceans. There's in progress genetic experiments going on that aren't to be tampered with. In the Russian Alien Race Book (ARB) it states there's a group of five alien races that protect our planet called The Council of the Five. They were formally known as the Council of the Nine, but four races dropped out.

[David Ansible]

I wonder who you're quoting there?... Not me. I never said "there's no doubt". It's ok to have doubt, I guess... but all the 'breadcrumbs' I've seen point to there are extremely advanced beings from 'beyond' the scope of most folks imaginations, regularly visiting Earth since ancient times... and still today, with the overwhelming number of UFO eyewitness reports, and 'contactee' stories.

I may be slightly biased too because I also had a 'close encounter' with a seemingly friendly, very aware, and technologically advanced 'group' in a dazzling craft/UFO/flying saucer... :) I shared this story here on Avalon:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84642-My-Close-Encounter-With-A-UFO

I question the assumption: "There's no doubt that Planet Earth is prime interstellar real estate."

What makes you say that, with possibly a billion earth like planets in the milky way alone, as NASA has
estimated? At the least, there is some doubt, no?

I was quoting Bill. Whether Earth is visited might be a separate issue than whether we have been "invaded." I do think the idea that this is "prime real estate" is very much questionable, though I often see it presented as a given, as Bill did here.

I will check out your thread.

[Mike]

Square footage is still prime real estate, in a universe mostly composed of empty space, no?



I agree. I think we underestimate the desire of any bipedal organism to simply stretch their legs a little...take a walk amongst the tress etc. We all remember being in that cramped station wagon when we were kids...and how euphoric it was to arrive at the vacation spot...getting out of that car, moving around, so forth. Maybe i'm naive but thats how I imagine it is for most alien races after a long space voyage.

I believe there are some alien races that would like to invade, and others who prevent them from doing so. Free will is a very precious concept amongst the stars, and it is fiercely protected.

[Innocent Warrior]

My thoughts -


It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.

Kinda, more like we're their version of us.


Or perhaps The ONE, is playing us all...

Well of course The One is playing us all but it's not or, it's and.

[truthseekerdan]

My thoughts -


It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.

Kinda, more like we're their version of us.


Or perhaps The ONE, is playing us all...

Well of course The One is playing us all but it's not or, it's and.

Agree with you dear Rachel, that The One Consciousness is playing All That IS. 💜💕

[thunder24]

it could be the breakway civs from the past...

if we have been to mars through black ops...does that make us better or more civilized then their peons... why do we think cause they have tech or abilities they are any different then us... hell why do we not think they are us from the past... nothing special just different

[Craig]

I am going to go out on a long shot here, in the semi recent past I have read some of Dolores Cannon's works and it appears that earth is like a school or a testing ground for souls to graduate from, what would happen to the school if we were invaded and conquered? Lessons would stop, so perhaps we haven't been invaded yet because the lesson hasn't finished?

also surely there are pockets of goodness left here somewhere, would they be eligible for contact? Possibly already are, but if so called dark elements are in touch of those in charge could not others be in touch and show us the way? Not like a Jesus character but a more discreet influence on the individual level. I guess deep deep down we all know but we have lost the way in the helter skelter and pollution of current life and the continual bombardment of fake stimuli, poor diet, stresses and other attractions to avoid us from waking up from our slumber facing the right direction.

I long for the day where i can look at myself deeply in the mirror and be proud of my accomplishments for the day. But whilst I am in the merry-go-round that day is still far off.

[norman]

I'm amazed how many "fiction" angles there are to this pool of ideas.

Just goes to show what an old fart I am. I've never been able to take fiction seriously as a source of ideas to make sence of reality.

I even worry when I hear otherwise serious folks discussing reality as if it was something that came out of the pen of a drunken screen play writer.

After several years of intense study of the unofficial zones of worthy study, I've gradually been drawn back to the most "3D" down to earth types who make sense of it all by the most practically simple/mundane evaluations. If I'm wrong about that basic grasp of things, I think I can live with that more comfortably than the alternative.

I have a hunch that there's only so much that actually living this life can teach us about anything that probably involves a level of intelligence that's more than a 100 times smarter than us. The real lessons may begin when we are either leaving this life or have just left this life.

[Valley]

How can you say that people are speaking "fiction", unless you know what is 'fact' yourself already? Just because you don't agree with what someone has said, doesn't make it fiction, my friend. :)

I would say that it is very 'healthy' for us to share our different 'angles'/deductions/theories on this, so that we can talk things out and potentially reach a greater understanding in these 'matters'. People clearly have a lot to say on this subject, and I enjoy hearing all the different perspectives. I also think folks should feel comfortable sharing what's on their mind here... and I can appreciate & respect your viewpoint on this as well, even if I don't agree.
:bowing:
I'm amazed how many "fiction" angles there are to this pool of ideas.

[amor]

To be on the safe side, all those wonderful ideas above are very likely correct, ALL OF THE ABOVE. After all, in millions of years any and everything can and will happen. I will add some not mentioned above: 1. We are in a zoo being observed by invisible entities. 2. We have been saved from planets near the center of the galaxy which were about to be pulverized by its gravity and were moved farther out for the sake of survival by some sort of galactic union for the proliferation of life. This is how the various races happen to be here. 3. We are in a scientific experiment and our earth is like a petri dish in a lab. 4. We are meant to proliferate and evacuate to other planets of the universe. 5. We are parts of God who is growing other selves of his to keep his company. By putting these selves through endless trials, he will sort the goats from the sheep, destroy the goats in hell or forgetfulness, and enjoy the company of the sheep in endless joy and creation. It is no wonder I cannot sleep it is now 3 a.m.

[araucaria]

.
... and that's a serious question.

It was prompted by araucaria's wonderful remark here, in response to
If Aliens Give Us 24 Hours To Prove That Humanity Is “Worthy Of Existence”, What Do We Do? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89494-If-Aliens-Give-Us-24-Hrs-To-Prove-That-Humanity-Is-Worthy-Of-Existence)


I'd say you've already had at least 24,000 years to size us up and if the jury is still out, then I'd say case dismissed.

After I'd stopped laughing :bigsmile: — I realized it left a very good, and different, question unanswered.

There's no doubt that Planet Earth is prime interstellar real estate. It's a magnificently beautiful planet, with a huge genetic diversity, and all kinds of natural resources. We might be able to defend ourselves now against alien invaders (maybe) — but a short while ago, surely we could not.

So there seem to be several possibilities:



Taking over another planet (or this planet) is against some galactic law, agreement or protocol.





Invaders are already here, but for some reason aren't showing themselves. (Some of them may even be in human bodies: the perfect disguise.)





We're already someone's property, and whoever owns us won't allow anyone else to interfere (very much).





It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.





It happened a long time ago, and there was a major high-tech war, which we lost... resulting in a ceasefire and a 'Cosmic Versailles' (Joseph Farrell's thought-provoking term, presented here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcoUJfCAPE)). *




This is a reference to the Treaty of Versailles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles), following the end of the First World War. The Germans were subjugated, and were legally required to make all kinds of heavy-duty reparations to the allied victors.


It's also possible that the reality is some combination of the above. There could also be other factors not considered — which, just maybe, we can't even conceive of... and are incapable of understanding.

It’s always nice to give Bill a laugh, or anyone else for that matter: that’s probably one thing we humans do quite well; we should practise this gift a lot more as something we can take out into the universe. :)

If we are going to see the situation in the materialistic terms of real estate, then my answer to the 24-hour ultimatum would be rather different. I would say, as sitting tenants of planet Earth, we have a lease with a termination clause involving a statutory period of notice, to give us time to resettle. Anyone turning up on our doorstep for immediate (re)possession is behaving illegally and we will appeal to a higher authority in order to uphold our rights. If the ‘owners’ of this planet want us out, they must serve legal notice in person. Until humanity is made aware of the situation, which it clearly hasn’t, the lease continues to run by tacit renewal.

However, I don’t think the materialistic terms of real estate apply at all, except that their misguided application is what is causing us much grief. I think we are talking about relations between conscious spiritual beings, at every level. The word family may come closest to what is going on, meaning basically benevolent, but sometimes disruptive and even downright criminal. Even the notion of ‘home’ is real estate terminology: home is not so much a place as who you are close to. The next level (generation) up from humanity would be the planet, hence the idea of ‘Mother’ Earth; and beyond that her protective Sun. The only meaningful sense of home as a location would be Earth’s Goldilocks orbit around the Sun, neither too close nor too far. This is an important factor I shall come back to.

As some of you will know, I have been exploring of late the implications of David Talbott’s theory of an ancient system of Saturn, Venus and Mars in stationary orbit above Earth’s North Pole, with Saturn acting as a sun to these and other satellites. If the theory ‘has legs’, it will take us places, so I have been exercising these legs and exploring where they take us. In other words, it has pragmatic truth.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88150-David-Talbott-The-Electric-Universe-The-Saturn-Sun-Swap-The-Reconstructing-Of-Mythology&p=1044930&viewfull=1#post1044930
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88150-David-Talbott-The-Electric-Universe-The-Saturn-Sun-Swap-The-Reconstructing-Of-Mythology&p=1044934&viewfull=1#post1044934
This theory is grounded in the hard science of the electric universe. As I see it, these planets became separated upon entering the solar system, Saturn being pulled up short by Jupiter. I would suggest that Saturn thus had a relationship of guardianship or parenthood towards the others, and that only over time and with separation did the relationship degenerate into ownership. Maybe the cause of this is what was going on at the next level up. I am now of the opinion that this ‘invasion of the solar system’ (making us space invaders too :)) could have been a natural happening in the context of a binary star system. If the Sun has a companion star, most likely Sirius, then we have a mechanism for the transfer of Saturn and Co from Sirian influence (parenthood) into an adoptive relationship with Sol, our present Sun.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88839-Nibiru-Will-Pass-Earth-Before-November-2017-The-Evidence-w-Investigator-David-Meade&p=1053302&viewfull=1#post1053302
The commonality of these different levels is that we are talking about growing pains on a cosmic scale. That there should be this commonality at all suggests that this is a basic functioning of the universe at these levels, so we might as well get used to it. It got particularly messy and difficult for Saturn if separation from a parent, ending up in a perhaps not altogether satisfactory situation, coincided with the loss of its children — near total loss in the case of Venus and Mars, but Earth struck lucky and actually rather thrived.

This is what I would understand as the ‘cosmic war’. This involves the personification of planetary bodies as conscious beings with wills of their own; Saturn’s ejection/absconding from one system and encroachment on another causing huge damage to all involved had a reason, whether you see it as pride before a fall or less negatively as dissatisfaction pure and simple with the status quo. The real estate version on the other hand would be the seemingly purposeless gravitational pinball game of Velikovskian ‘worlds in collision’. I object to the idea of war as an unnecessary escalation of conflict. Conflict means two candidates for one given location. War is the collision that occurs when neither backs off and one gets murdered. In the above-described scenario, no collisions occur at all, just uncomfortable jostling and cramping. Even the planet that is destroyed is only accidentally squeezed out by the combined effects of passing planets. Similarly, in interpersonal relations, unpleasant things happen, but it rarely comes to deliberate blows, still less lethal ones, and the culprits are dealt with. If planet Saturn were guilty of such behaviour, and for a second time, then the deal might well be a period of exile outside of any solar system, which is where it might indeed be heading of its own accord. The issue of ejection versus absconding doesn’t really come into it. (Incidentally, and microcosmically, we recently had a forum member who followed a similar pattern by getting banned/walking out here after several other bans/walkouts elsewhere.)
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As I was saying, Earth thrived; so much so that she was called upon to more than pull her weight within this overall crippled (i.e. understandably dysfunctional) family unit. We have never been alone, but what has happened is that while feeling so small and weak, we have actually been a tower of strength in this whole business; and it has been going on for so long that we are unable to envision any other (better) future than our present task of keeping on keeping on. You find children acting as breadwinners for their household and who, if they were told help was at hand, would probably say, ‘Not now; I’ve got this and that to do: you’re getting in my way.’ A case of misplaced loyalty, but the laudable loyalty overrides the uncontrollable misplacement. The problem for any ‘alien’ well-wisher is likely to be how to help without being rejected for interfering (regardless of motive); and this is in fact what we may be seeing and hearing, which would come as no surprise as it is indeed a common problem with our fellow humans as well. You have to be subtle and discreet and disinterested. You don’t land on the White House lawn with a 24-hour notice to quit. (Or if it’s a police raid, you don’t give any notice at all; you get the culprits out of bed.)

Which brings me back to the start of this post. The question now is, Who is issuing this 24-hour notice to quit, and to whom? The answer suggested by the above is that, at least in the first instance, it is not aliens to humanity, but planet Saturn summoning planet Earth to come with it. We are not talking about ‘manpower’: an overly anthropic concept. We are merely talking about ‘human resources’ among other downsizable assets of Earth Inc. with its hugely attractive real estate. The problem is that real estate is by definition an immovable asset: remember, the three most important things are location location location. Moving London Bridge to Arizona was a monumental exercise in purely decorative futility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge_%28Lake_Havasu_City%29 Similarly, to take the Earth out of her Goldilocks location would amount to her total devaluation as an immovable asset. Basically, by taking her anywhere else — except on her own terms of growth — she would wither and die.

Actually, you will say, the situation is rather different: more like taking London Bridge back home to London – restoring Earth as a Moon of Saturn. This is of course reactionary: you cannot go back to the past without changing it; nostalgia is always disappointed. What is the gain in restoring Earth as a Moon of Saturn if you cannot restore Saturn as a planet of Sirius, etc.? Even travelling back in time is to go forward.

So, Why hasn’t the Earth been invaded? Maybe because an invasion is not on the agenda at all. We are talking about an abduction scenario. :)


I have a couple more points to add.
20. In the above scenario, it is more about Earth than humanity per se. The issue is about what happens to Gaia, and humanity’s part in that story. I suggest the ejection of planets poses a gravitational problem that gets bigger the closer one gets in to the star, and hence shifting the Earth would be quite a feat of engineering. One way of achieving this would be to make it somehow lighter, something hard to imagine in gravitational terms, but perhaps easier to visualize in terms of spiritual energy. Thus any strategy to loosen people’s tie to the planet, to weaken their grounding, would made a useful contribution to this effort. They include of course floating off in a drugged stupor, suicidal depression, war, kamikaze terrorism in hope of 72 virgins in an afterlife beyond, and also organized religion with emphasis on the hereafter, or rather on an unidentified somewhereafter. New age spirituality would be yet another tack: if you are one with the cosmos, then you can be anywhere, it does not matter; and with that mindset you are missing the fundamental real estate issue of location location location. Yet other ideas would be the uprooting of country dwellers in large soulless cities, high finance, educational dumbing-down, the appeal of cyberspace, virtual reality, television, listening to politicians making their and space travel. This and all the rest is all familiar stuff on Avalon: which is why the scenario I am setting out makes a lot of sense: it jars with nothing I have already come to understand, including some counterintuitive things I have mentioned before.

21. With humanity as the active wing of Earth’s consciousness, she has two ways of raising that consciousness; the first way is familiar, and as we know seemingly not enough: qualitatively, by raising the spiritual awareness of just a few, gradually spreading to many more. The second way is less familiar, and rather counterintuitive and paradoxical: a material increase in spiritual awareness is achieved by so-called overpopulation whereby awareness is increased quantitatively by large numbers of so-called sheeple progressing maybe only slightly, but it all adds up. Hence population reduction would naturally be on the agenda to enable the Earth to ‘travel light’; indeed it may be necessary in order to get moving at all. The half a billion mentioned on the Georgia guidestones might be a mandatory target to be met before anything can be done, just as a boxer or a jockey needs to shed a few pounds before competing. The Earth then is fighting this like it is trying to shake off a disease. Overpopulation would then be a kind of planetary cholesterol, which is only a symptom of illness for being a corrective measure. The good news then is that the spiritually awakened few are like shock troops relying for their effectiveness on the rank-and-file godless masses. Realizing we are all on the same side defeats the trap of elitism by exerting the power of sheer numbers. But always, the bottom line is that we are in the physical to operate on the physical plane and must not be diverted from that course.

Footnote for norman: I agree the mundane is the way to go... 95% of the time. Before meaning ordinary, dull even, mundane meant (still means) ‘of this world’. Perhaps unfortunately, we also have celestial, other-worldly stuff as well that seems to be causing world leaders to act in ways incompatible with our preferred mundanity to the point that it can no longer be ignored. This is what it means to be awake(ned). The fiction/reality paradigm has been turned upside down.

[Sean]

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... and that's a serious question.

It was prompted by araucaria's wonderful remark here, in response to
If Aliens Give Us 24 Hours To Prove That Humanity Is “Worthy Of Existence”, What Do We Do? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89494-If-Aliens-Give-Us-24-Hrs-To-Prove-That-Humanity-Is-Worthy-Of-Existence)


I'd say you've already had at least 24,000 years to size us up and if the jury is still out, then I'd say case dismissed.

After I'd stopped laughing :bigsmile: — I realized it left a very good, and different, question unanswered.

There's no doubt that Planet Earth is prime interstellar real estate. It's a magnificently beautiful planet, with a huge genetic diversity, and all kinds of natural resources. We might be able to defend ourselves now against alien invaders (maybe) — but a short while ago, surely we could not.

So there seem to be several possibilities:


Taking over another planet (or this planet) is against some galactic law, agreement or protocol.



Invaders are already here, but for some reason aren't showing themselves. (Some of them may even be in human bodies: the perfect disguise.)



We're already someone's property, and whoever owns us won't allow anyone else to interfere (very much).



It already happened a long time ago... and we are them.



It happened a long time ago, and there was a major high-tech war, which we lost... resulting in a ceasefire and a 'Cosmic Versailles' (Joseph Farrell's thought-provoking term, presented here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvcoUJfCAPE)). *


This is a reference to the Treaty of Versailles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles), following the end of the First World War. The Germans were subjugated, and were legally required to make all kinds of heavy-duty reparations to the allied victors.


It's also possible that the reality is some combination of the above. There could also be other factors not considered — which, just maybe, we can't even conceive of... and are incapable of understanding.

I gotta go with bullet point#1. There is some sort of "galactic council", IMHO,and there are rules..breaking rules like invading earth physically, draws fire from the "heavy hitters" out there. that would explain all the psychic attacks, the attacks on consciousness, all the manipulation via secret societies doing "their" bidding, etc etc.. Also, I've come to believe that Earth is much more important than I used to think. I used to think we were more "Tattoine" than "Coruscant", if you get the reference..but, we do seem to hold some measure of galactic importance.

Because we're mostly locked in at a certain consciousness/frequency range, we can't see MOST of what goes down in this galaxy, or even this solar system. I think we're being protected..but the other team gets access too. all part of our collective evolution of consciousness.

And so it goes..

[Jayren]

An invasion has already happened, but from the inside. The longer they stay hidden, the longer they are here to do anything they want to do.


They do have limits, just as they create limits for us, they create limits for themselves. But as they push our limits, there's will diminish as well, there is a lot of responsibility to uphold when taking over a planet. They can choose to manage it in a good or bad way, they have chosen a not so good bad way.


This is until they can slip in unknown and reveal themselves for total devastation. We see there imprints all around the world in movies ancient ****, the point is we can take this planet back anytime we want when every human on this planet is aware enough to do so.


No human being is going to work against each other to create unhealthy foods, damaging music, wars, poverty etc. to make us dumb, ignorant etc. We will work together in unison to evolve and go beyond all boundaries and for us to not be doing so means some kind of interference is going on.

[Peace of Mind]

Simple answer: We haven’t been invaded by aliens because there aren’t any.

I’ve searched the net, the world, peoples history for one simple clue/hint that will lead me to my own personal experience, or in the least...enough substantial undeniable evidence to support such wild claims. But I’m always coming up with nothing.

I’m now at the point that this whole alien thing is an ongoing farce to control and create disempowering mind sets. It’s becoming more obvious by the day. After years and years of seeing/reading/hearing testimony after testimony just to have nothing to support any of the stories is very disheartening. Not just in the lack of proof....but mainly in what this hidden agenda is doing to peoples minds and their ways in action. For those with deceiving agendas… I’m sure some people will be conditioned into believing in aliens simply because that’s where their focus was HELD for so long. It’s weird to see such faith in something that has yet to be proven in any way shape or form.

I doubt if any aliens will, or have invaded this world…but I can’t say the same for the ideology not invading peoples mind. The inception is strong.

Peace

[sommervr]

Sometimes I wonder if we haven't been infected already with a malicious A.I. If there was an advanced race that had laid claim to this planet and wanted to keep the local wildlife in check then the most cost-effective way is to get them to manage themselves.

I think this DNA template of life is likely widespread throughout the universe and it eventually evolves into a predictable set of endpoint biological intelligences. We are a part of that set or the range of likely evolutionary outcomes. It wouldn't be out of the question to have a ready made A.I designed to manage that set of bothersome local intelligences evolving on a planet that you claim ownership of.

Think of the A.I as an ET overlord spraying roundup on his sidewalk to keep the weeds down

[NeedleThreader]

Through several personal experiences of my own of have been led to believe that there are at least some friendly folks up there.

Yes, I am sensing that too. It is a force of love, a kind of love that is much greater than what is in our perception of what love is. It is a highly intelligent love, what you are feeling it is feeling too and out of that intelligent love it re-arranges things to match what you need in your particular situation that from unconditional love matches what you've decided to explore. In dream it may choose to contact you, because out of the unconditional love it has for you it relays beautiful messages it knows you need, it does so before certain things happen to soften what comes your way, because that's beyond your current ability to be aware of. It can do so because it is free in time. And it does so because it is unconditional love and it also does so because it is not a violation of free will, it is unconditional love.

So from this perspective the counter question to the question about why invasion has not happened, is why you have and why you are choosing the way you do? That question is easier to answer, the answer is then simply that you've used your free will in this way because an invasion is alien to who you are and what you want to experience.

It might be that if you one day decide you really dramatically want to change and you want to perceive totally different things, then that might lead you to a future where some type of invasion might be part of it. It does not have to be a negative invasion, it could be a neutral invasion, meaning that it is not positive nor is it negative, it just happens because it is what you and they need. But I think that even such an event holds a beautiful vision of unconditional love on its thread.

I realize that I am quite Greer-ish saying these things, because although in absolute terms there might be incredible light and incredibly dense beings out there, relative to who we are and what we need to experience it makes little sense that when we out of love open ourselves to the possibility of being contacted by other beings out there, that those events that manifest from that would be negative beings with an invasion in mind. It is more likely that we are meeting beings that are very similar to us, but spiritually more evolved/in lighter density and hence less limited. So when we reach a high loving point during meditation/prayer then at that point we have used our free will to indicate we are ready for a contact event that takes place in our current physical reality. That's what happened to me. My UFO experience happened under those kinds of conditions. It would be totally distant logics if I would suddenly categorize that event as them sneaking upon me out of their negative being. They simply just wanted me to have a real UFO experience. When the timing was right they showed up. How can they know when I look up to the stars and where I look, that they would exactly then "come down" and appear right there. The answer is that they knew about it before it happened. This leads to totally new questions: What is time and what is being, when time disolves? If you need a certain amount of time disolvement in order to get from one location in space to another location in space, then what are the conditions that opens access to such levels of freedom. One reason why negative entities might not come here and just invade, is because they can't. Our current density is lighter than the density such an invasion would originate from. Hence it might be that this causes certain limitations in regards to where they can go and do what.

So an invasion is possible only if they can get here. Since it has not happened, then maybe it is because they cannot get here. Maybe they can go into, out of some volcano or deep into/from the core of the earth into space, but that's not the same thing as invading earth where people live. So the answer might be that creation works this way, it is designed not to allow free will of lighter density beings to be messed with by more dense beings. It might be physically encoded into the fabric of creation that dense density beings are more limited, more stuck in space and time. We might be poison to them, they might be poison to us. It's not a match, it's not an invasion candidate.

Just look at us, we struggle to create peace on earth and do we get far into space?

The elite's attempts at using ET technology might be why they so desperately want so much power, money etc., because their projects fail so badly relative to what they are attempting to achieve. But it might be that at some point they get it - that you can only get as far into space as your own density.

I find an invasion equally probable as the elite achieving a global nuclear war. The fact that this does not happen, tells us a bit more about the truth. Maybe the very light density intelligences are the ones in charge, while the dense density intelligences desperately keep failing until they get it.

I was thinking of how easily the light density beings move around here. I bet they move in crafts that can more instantly phase into densities that dark densities cannot access and at a slower reaction, because of their denser density that they are limited to. This is the whole thing. It does not matter what the elite does in their dense being, because they will never have the kind of access they need to do what they try to do as long as they keep choosing to use their free will in that way.

To de-militarize and destruct weapons because peace and love is the agenda. That is true power. And true power is probably required to get to distant star systems where there is intelligent human density life.

WhiteLove, thank you for your first paragraph, it really warmed my heart throughout the day knowing someone else is on the same page...

This is truly what is happening. They are here and they are benevolent. Steven Greer is an interesting dude because his CE-5 groups taught me how to 'summon' craft that performs powerups for you. Read: big bright flash of loving light. SO I'm telling you that he is at least on to something pretty freakin big. If any of you would like to see this for yourself look for a local CE-5 group on Facebook, you won't be disappointed.

I was reminded today of the fleet of UFO's flying over Fukushima when that went down. They were concerned over radioactive sludge hemorrhaging from the nuke plant, and were definitely there to see WTF we just did.

Full moon has me today...

[Mandala]

I believe the main reason we haven't evolved further is simply because our lives have been shortened so much. We are always being reset to start from scratch after our deaths. Memories wiped. Only certain experiences may have left a lasting intuitive reminder of our past. How can you improve greatly in any type of development if you don't remember what you learned.

Alien presence has been here forever. I would say it seems likely that whoever began this experiment with the estimated life span of 72-75 years has first dibs on us from a galactic standpoint and perhaps has a contract, a right, etc. to see it through to the designated end. Maybe until the next "reset", (flood, pole shift, disaster ) happens. Then their contract is terminated.

I think Bill said this could be our last chance. I guess we will see what happens. I do feel if "they" were waiting to see a spiritual reboot, or growth in our love, peace and perhaps morality, somebody is hugely disappointed about where we are now. It seems we have degressed. Greed, selfishness and entitlement is what I see most now.

What a shame.

[Peace of Mind]

It is why I’m always advising people to be more concerned with their own development. You can’t help others if you can’t even help yourself. How can anyone know about off world entities when they have never even left this planet. None of us truly knows how it feels to be in orbit, we don’t know what’s truly out and up there…we based all of this knowledge on what we were taught…not what we have personally experienced. No one can say for certain the universe is as vast as “They” say it. We don’t truly know what the Sun and moon is? We only know what it is because we were told what it is. We are still learning this planet, we are still discovering new species on this planet, we are still in the process of understanding each others culture and belief’s. So how can any of us know about being’s, nationality’s, culture, and plans of entities from distant galaxies when most of us don’t even know about themselves? This is brain washing at its best.

If aliens were real…why would they want to put up with our incompetence, selfishness, ego’s, our many levels of false awareness? Why would they want to help a specie that is clearly showing (everyday) their lack of convictions, and their shallow capacity for helping themselves?

We are here for us and it is only us that will be here to foster the future. Not one person can prove aliens exist…not before proving that their governments aren’t actually behind those false beliefs. The idea about Aliens has done nothing other than create a mindset.

Since we like to consider the wild and crazy… before considering the logical and foreseen…Can anyone prove that this whole alien subject was NOT fabricated many years ago by dimensional entities? These entities are fashioning the minds of humanity to open up portals into their world/realm/reality? But, these being’s need enough people to believe in the thought/notion/ideology in order for it to manifest in this world. They are using the weak minded to assist them in opening up portals into our dimensions…but it is the rationale and skeptical that is making it hard for it to happen. Hmmm

Hey…it’s just as far fetch as the rest, but makes plenty sense when considering why there are no aliens to be seen…yet certain strangers act like this is a known fact. But facts based off of what?
Yeah humanity is in trouble, however, it’s not from the unseen…but suffering because of their own thinking, as usual.

Peace

[seah]

Re why earth hasn't been invaded, it seems to me that invasion by brute force is the crudest method of obtaining ultimate control, especially if that control is going to be sustainable long term, and more importantly, if the population is an asset to the agenda and you wish them to be compliant to the last drop.
Who is the smartest bully, the one who runs you down and steals your lunch money or the one that moves in to your circle of friends and whom you share your lunch with willingly, day after day?

I am aware of the stories of all powerful ET blowing up planets and such, but I have not seen proof of this. I do know that they have made a habit of taking credit for many things that they have had nothing to do with. It is just as likely the destruction, for instance, Gomorrah, was done by a third party against the said ET and their kin, and humanity unfortunately has, and continues to be in the middle. My point is the alien method of invasion is much more diabolical.

[Michi]

I am aware of the stories of all powerful ET blowing up planets and such, but I have not seen proof of this.

Vola - here you go:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84698-Secret-Space-Program-Conference-2015&p=1054424&viewfull=1#post1054424

Dr John Brandenburg - Death On Mars
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[Bayareamom]

Was looking for a good place to put this; this thread seems to be the right choice. I just finished reading Tom of Montalk.net's book, "Discerning Alien Disinformation." Hands down, it is THE best book I have read on this topic. Here's a link to his book/website:

http://montalk.net/books

If I were teaching a course regarding human/alien relationships, this book would be required reading. Tom references both positive/negative entities, and provides excellent insights into both. This book is also available for free downloading via his website.

[Leon55]

I think it's much more difficult to take over another planet than most people assume.

Defeating us humans would not be a big deal for an intergalactic power, but living on this planet comfortably with all of its viruses and bacteria might be the most challenging thing for an alien species. Our immune systems are build for this planet and even with billions of years of evolution our own immune systems don't guarantee 100% safety. Also differences in gravity and radiation between Earth and the alien home planet are huge hurdles for living comfortably on Earth.

If aliens want to take over our planet they would be better off by controlling us or by creating a hybrid species that can deal with the immune system issues and differences in gravity and radiation.

[Valley]

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that we could currently be living in the 'aftermath' of an 'invasion' of Earth... with all the planetary neglet in worldwide policies, the organized programming of disrespect for humanity (each other), the controlling/manipulating/belittling practices of religions & mass media, the poisoning of the food supplies, war-mongering, chem trails, and detrimental medical practices etc. These all seem like practices which are a total disregard for human life and this amazing planet. It makes sense to me that there indeed could be another 'dark force' behind it all, 'pulling the strings', that isn't from here. So it seems very clear to me that this planet and our thinking has definitely been 'invaded'/infiltrated... by who, I can't be sure of exactly, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Icke's (and others) Reptilian 'findings' turn out to be 'right on the money'.

[wnlight]

It does seem probable that we're already someone's property. Perhaps those that developed our DNA have a Galactic patent on humans. Perhaps we humans are still in a developmental 'beta' stage - not to be released. Perhaps this is all nonsense. :-)

[araucaria]

I am aware of the stories of all powerful ET blowing up planets and such, but I have not seen proof of this.

Vola - here you go:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?84698-Secret-Space-Program-Conference-2015&p=1054424&viewfull=1#post1054424

Dr John Brandenburg - Death On Mars
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Thank you for that enlightening video which is probably about as conclusive as a forensic investigation is ever going to get, and a good basis on which to build some ‘high octane speculation’, to quote Joseph Farrell. Why Dr Brandenburg got the green light to publish this material may have something to do with the existence of people like ourselves able to digest his analysis without going into clinical depression as he himself says he nearly did.

Here’s the deal: we have some planet killers maybe still out there. We need to know just how evil things can get and face up to them in their contemporary guise. This may be the mother of all cold cases, but we have to solve it. I would put to you that the universe (or rather this neck of the cosmic woods) is not such an evil place as it now looks. The scenario I have been fleshing out of late suggests a culprit, a motive and a plea, the plea being the lesser one of genocidal manslaughter with the mitigating circumstance of self-defence. It is well that this should barely be a crime at all, because the culprits have descendants living among us, who need to face the music in their place, and can only do so if we come to grips with the apparent horror of the situation and find it understandable, and even forgivable. This is good, because this is the awful ancient history that we all need to put to bed in order to move forward. 250,000,000 years is nothing unless and until we let bygones be bygones. When we understand this past, we also understand the present and can talk things through instead of wishing to take people out into the streets and lynch them.

As part of the scenario I have been describing, this all starts when Saturn is stopped in its tracks by Jupiter and loses its moons Mars, Earth and Venus (and possibly Mercury), as they carry on into the inner solar system: you will need to ask an astrophysicist how this might work, I am only surmising here from the planets’ present positions. I suggested their uncoordinated gravitational tugs collectively pulled apart an existing planet until its remains formed the asteroid belt. I won’t try and name that planet: we can call it Planet A, as being the Sun’s first and only planet inside Jupiter’s orbit at the time we are talking about. I am thinking it was a living planet with a civilization at a similar stage to our current Earth. The present nuclear situation on Earth, which happens to have a history closely contemporary with the UFO phenomenon, is that we have a far bigger arsenal than we would ever need to kill our own planet, and why would we do that anyway? We hear talk of the weaponization of space, but not so much of targets. The only target on the table to date would seem to be an incoming comet or asteroid, to shoot it out of our way. This is the only remotely defensible rationale for all those nukes.

Now transfer your thoughts to Planet A: it had three or four telluric planet-sized objects coming in towards it. The response I am saying would be the same; and Mars apparently received two direct hits. Perhaps the Earth was also hit, but not nearly so badly: Zechariah Sitchin mentions traces of nuclear warfare here, which he attributes to his war of the gods as recently as about 4,000 years ago. Maybe these are surviving traces of something much more ancient. Maybe Venus will also show evidence of nuclear bombardment that would better explain her demise... The point is that Planet A was in mortal danger if it didn’t do anything, and it was destroyed anyway. Ultimately, I think that from Planet A’s standpoint this hideous tragedy was totally unavoidable, and it cannot be judged for action taken in self-defence.

This is hugely important to establish, on account of Planet A’s descendants still with us, who are clearly the ones who have been trying to conceal this awful deed from us. Can we forgive them? Yes we can, and in any case we damn well have to. Why we need forgiveness is to remove the continuing PSTD symptoms that are killing us all. But as I come to that, let’s list a few data points that are explained in this scenario, in the order that they occur to me.

1. In my last post, I distinguished between the Earth as real estate and its orbit in terms of location. Planet A, as the sole original planet of the Sun in the vicinity, can rightfully claim ownership of the location, if not the planet. Basically we have parked our caravan on someone else’s land, after first demolishing their own property. We have a self-created refugee problem, not squatters.

2. Planet A’s descendants are a distinct race from earth humans. I mentioned various sizes: S, M and XL (respectively Mars, Earth/Venus and Saturn). Planet A would possibly be a size L – the smaller giants in the 7-10 foot range, who possibly built the pyramids etc., the ancestors of our elite bloodline that has always had difficulty mixing with ordinary humans, hence consanguinity and all the attendant issues, all the way to the Princess Diana story of injecting fresh blood. This bloodline would naturally feel entitled to rule a planet 250 million years behind themselves, although that gap has been closing all the time, and the former giants are now no bigger than earthlings. Hence the importance of the present nuclear age, marking a stage when they have caught up with themselves. Unfortunately this is causing all the terrible memories to start flooding back. They are no longer (medically) fit to rule — no moral judgment required — and once again we are facing a case of classic mad king syndrome. Remember the US founding fathers were escaping mad King George III: his physician’s verdict of ‘Rex noster insanit, Our king is mad’ only came in 1788 (Vivian Green, The Madness of Kings: Personal Trauma and the Fate of Nations, 1993, p. 189), but the condition did not happen overnight.

3. The bloodline would not necessarily be representative of the very best of Planet A’s population. They would likely be the ones in the know and in positions of power, seeing the coming disaster and selfish enough to book their own tickets out of Dodge. On the other hand, they may have lived under a much more benign system than our own and been the only ones wiling to board Noah’s ark because they were the only ones to believe how dire the situation really was. Again, nothing unforgivable. This basic situation has not changed; that in fact is the problem: things have not been cured over time, so they have worsened.

4. However, something unforgivable for them would likely have been Saturn’s invasion of the solar system as the cause of their downfall. Over time Saturn would probably get personalized even without an understanding of planetary consciousness, and the Satanic link would naturally follow. Evil may then be the personalization of a cosmic traffic accident. Such accidents are not insurable, and so innocent victims might nonetheless nurse a huge grievance, thereby forfeiting their innocence. Road rage might be sometimes understandable, but it is never acceptable.

5. Cosmic warfare really only starts at this point: you now have two factions (Planet A and Saturn) with earthlings in the middle sharing a bed with them. As I was saying, conflict means two candidates for one given location. What we have is a broader community that is two or more planets short of a solar system and having to share. In this case, human overpopulation is not just an issue for the earth and for earth-based biodiversity, it is also an issue for survivors from these lost planets. (We have heard this before.) Which is why refugee relocation is the major problem we have to solve at this time: not just in Europe but everywhere. Basically, the Earth is on its own as the real Noah’s ark looking for some dry land.

6. How we can solve our problems is by recognizing that the problem is solar-system-wide (let’s not go beyond that just yet). The elite is draining our resources, fighting its war against its perceived enemy (tilting at windmills?), seeking human genocide and accidentally destroying the planet, all because it is living in the past: catastrophobia in spades. The planet X scenario is not so much a misdirect as a pathologically fearful, no-longer-relevant response to a no-longer-existent threat. One sign that we are getting over that is that a return to Mars is being seen as a viable proposition. We need the space in order to overcome the crisis of lack of communication and other things due to overcramping here on Earth. Now, Mars is a nice piece of real estate with great potential... But we have created vast deserts on our own planet that also need reclaiming. No need to reach for the stars just yet.

[amor]

While reading the above, I have been simultaneously listening to the radio tell of the CIA, Vatican, Secret Services having spent decades working-over, disappearing, torturing, etc., people from Cuba through Argentina and now it is our turn in the USA to experience prison camps, spying equipment, guillotines, incarceration without representation, the whole caboodle. The present Pope had a prominent mention as helper in Argentina (operation Condor). The Jesuits are supposed to head all the Secret Services in the World so they are behind everything evil taking place on this planet, bar none. Kissinger, the second string to Rockefeller (who seems to be behind everything and my vote for who is Satan on this planet) along with all the 911 gangsters, it appears, have been doing a PLANNED working over on this planet of the unaware population, along with the Citibank gang, to SOFTEN them up for the NWO setup.

You don't have to look for Aliens being at war with us, the abovementioned perpetrators will do nicely.

Go onto Google and type in "Fidel Castro Was a CIA Agent." The piece which is fairly long and which refuses to transfer here says that he was a CIA Asset who was a drug dealer and Billionaire. Apparently, the entire charade between Russia and Kennedy in the 1960's was done to pretend a cold war between Communist Russia and the USA, while all the time the Ford Foundation was using capitalist money to bring America in line with Russia. This make- believe war created an excuse to gouge huge sums of money out of the US Budget which was actually being used to set up Alternative 3 and the Space Program so that special sections of the human race would survive the ruin of Earth with the impending passage of Planet X, the Destroyer. Scientists were sent to Mars to set up a colony. Their agricultural program was failing there because of a deadly bacteria in the soil of Mars. I will post more about this elsewhere. This is important to Earth.

In the meanwhile, Rockefeller is said to have had a deal whereby he would have the sole rights to oil extraction around Cuba, while the island of Cuba would be cleaned out of property owners awaiting the NWO, and the communist experiment or torture would be done to the Cubans. Immediately as the story surfaced that Cuba and the USA would be getting together again, I heard that the Rockefeller's were withdrawing their money from the oil industry. WE ARE ALL BEING PLAYED BY THESE EVIL DOG GANGSTERS FOLKS, WHAT WE LACK IS INFORMATION!!!!! Make this viral.

We don't have to look to Alien Invasion when we have the Vatican and the Rockefellers.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Death on Mars:

The Sumerians wrote about the war on Mars. It was not so much a war as an assassination of an old line of rulers from Nibiru that found themselves exiled on the Red Planet. There were two of them that barely made it to Mars and the safety of their spaceport facility. Nukes were used and the lineage was wiped out, allowing Anu to rule uncontested.

These are the translations of the late Zachariah Sitchin in one of his series of books, The Earth Chronicles. This is also the book where the mysterious doppelganger is almost caught but slips away again with only unsubstantiated rumours and strange coincidences to prove his existence. This secret figure plays a significant role in the dealings between man and the Anunaki, and often comes to man's aid when all other avenues are exhausted. Although not definitive in Sitchin's work, this person does not seem to be an Anunaki, but can look like one. I sometimes like to consider this as another anecdote in the odd tales of the chameleon - an intelligent being able to shape shift at will. Or maybe a clue to the watchers or shining ones of whom so many rumours exist.

The claim that nukes were used on mars and on earth is written on stone tablets 5,000 - 6,0000 years old. It is so recorded by an ancient race, the Sumerians, that claim the Anunaki came from the sky and taught them civilization and all the knowledge therein. It is exciting to see another part of their story verified in our day. Exciting because it is clearly the source of the three main Abrahamic religions, and so far that pesky bit of data has been ignored. Along with the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Enuma Elish, along with a few other choice diatribes in stone, the so-called myths of our forbearers are starting to sound more like ancient history and less like fiction.

...Took a while to watch the video of Dr. Brandenburg. Very interesting, especially about how to tell if a rock on Earth came from Mars - the isotopic ratios of zenon...

[seah]

re Death on Mars video,
I was prompted to watch this video by member devplan because I mentioned I have not seen any evidence to prove that aliens have blown up any planets, including Earth in the far past. Thank you for that, I enjoyed it for the most part, but I don’t agree with you that it proves much.

I have grown tired of being told what to think and this presentation is all about that. He says we have to get a new mindset, and then he tells us what it should be.
We have to go to Mars – whole planets can be destroyed – a nuclear massacre took place on Mars destroying an entire human civilization. A spacefaring alien species was responsible for it. We all better beware because this alien race is going to do the same to Earth. We have to go to Mars.

This is all conjecture. Fear mongering.
"I should trust in goodwill, discovery, god, guts and guns" ? i edited out my original expletive.

imho, Mars One is on full throttle. Obviously, some people are going to get very rich off of this proposed mission, and it won’t be the eager men and women who will sign up to make the probable one way trip. It will be a cash cow for future generations.

The secret space program is at least a century ahead of what we know about. We have already gone to Mars, are probably currently on Mars, underground.

There are other possible reasons for the devastation on Mars, but even if it was a nuclear explosion, there is nothing to suggest that it was warfare against a helpless civilization. We have no context for the psychology behind what would prompt the destruction of a species.

That the Pentagon couldn’t care less about the information going public should tell us how important they think it is. He is probably their shill.

I am frankly surprised that people buy this stuff hook, line and sinker. There needs to be serious discernment all around. Just to be clear, I understand that for those who believe in the whole disclosure paradigm, this information would appear to be a step in the right direction, but I don't believe the purity of the program.

[Ernie Nemeth]

I did not comment on his conclusions because, as you pointed out, they are blatant conjecture with no proof of how those nukes went off, or why. Maybe the civilisation built a giant spaceship and blasted out of orbit, scorching the planet's surface on the way out. Maybe some high energy experiment went wrong. Maybe some odd collection of elements in just the right combination self-combusted into a nuclear explosion or two, who knows. He sure doesn't. I took his word for the five isotopes of xenon. Do I have to verify that too, now? You think?

[Ernie Nemeth]

Wiki:

Naturally occurring xenon (Xe) is made of eight stable isotopes and one very long-lived isotope. (124Xe, 126Xe, and 134Xe are predicted to undergo double beta decay,[citation needed] but this has never been observed in these isotopes, so they are considered to be stable.)[1][2][not in citation given] Xenon has the second highest number of stable isotopes. Only tin, with 10 stable isotopes, has more.[3] Beyond these stable forms, there are over 30 unstable isotopes and isomers that have been studied, the longest-lived of which is 136Xe, which undergoes double beta decay with a half-life of 2.165 ± 0.016(stat) ± 0.059(sys) ×1021 years[4] with the next longest lived being 127Xe with a half-life of 36.345 days. Of known isomers, the longest-lived is 131mXe with a half-life of 11.934 days. 129Xe is produced by beta decay of 129I (half-life: 16 million years); 131mXe, 133Xe, 133mXe, and 135Xe are some of the fission products of both 235U and 239Pu, and therefore used as indicators of nuclear explosions.

The artificial isotope 135Xe is of considerable significance in the operation of nuclear fission reactors. 135Xe has a huge cross section for thermal neutrons, 2.65×106 barns, so it acts as a neutron absorber or "poison" that can slow or stop the chain reaction after a period of operation. This was discovered in the earliest nuclear reactors built by the American Manhattan Project for plutonium production. Fortunately the designers had made provisions in the design to increase the reactor's reactivity (the number of neutrons per fission that go on to fission other atoms of nuclear fuel).

Relatively high concentrations of radioactive xenon isotopes are also found emanating from nuclear reactors due to the release of this fission gas from cracked fuel rods or fissioning of uranium in cooling water. The concentrations of these isotopes are still usually low compared to the naturally occurring radioactive noble gas 222Rn.

Because xenon is a tracer for two parent isotopes, Xe isotope ratios in meteorites are a powerful tool for studying the formation of the solar system. The I-Xe method of dating gives the time elapsed between nucleosynthesis and the condensation of a solid object from the solar nebula (Xenon being a gas, only that part of it that formed after condensation will be present inside the object). Xenon isotopes are also a powerful tool for understanding terrestrial differentiation. Excess 129Xe found in carbon dioxide well gases from New Mexico was believed to be from the decay of mantle-derived gases soon after Earth's formation.[5]

[araucaria]

You don't have to look for Aliens being at war with us, the abovementioned perpetrators will do nicely.
Please explain what you mean by ‘do’. Suppose you get your perpetrators arrested. Where do you go from there? What charges do you press? What problems do you solve by putting them behind bars? How do you dismantle a network that has been going on for ever and makes the mafia look like a school playground racket? Etc.

We are not talking about Aliens in the broad sense. We are talking about inhabitants of this solar system. In a family relations are often strangers and sometimes strangers turn out to be not very distant cousins. Once, somewhere in central Africa, a cousin of mine on my Dad’s side bumped into a lady who turned out to be an aunt of mine on my Mum’s side, i.e. family. The ‘small world’ theory only works when we start to understand how big a place we live in. We need to think big, but I agree, not too big. I think we need to address solar system affairs without going interstellar at this stage.


I have grown tired of being told what to think and this presentation is all about that. (...)
This is all conjecture. Fear mongering.
(...)
It will be a cash cow for future generations.

The secret space program is at least a century ahead of what we know about. We have already gone to Mars, are probably currently on Mars, underground.
(...)
I am frankly surprised that people buy this stuff hook, line and sinker.
Let me answer these points in turn. This presentation, by a fully qualified scientist, contains two types of material: evidence and interpretation of that evidence. The evidence is the xenon-129 spike in Mars rock that reproduces the xenon-129 spike caused by a nuclear bomb. (You can find Mars rock on Earth in the form of meteorites.) Corroborating evidence is supplied from Mars photos. Now what conclusions you draw or he draws from that evidence may be different things. Brandenburg experienced shock and awe at the idea of planetwide destruction: that to me is a very human reaction. Try letting that idea really sink in for just a moment, just as an idea, whether or not it ever occurred. It is truly chilling to the bone, is it not? See this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=843695&viewfull=1#post843695) for how humans cope with an altogether tinier catastrophe here on planet Earth. But we have to get past tragedies even (especially) on unimaginable scales without losing our humanity. Most of us really have no idea of anything but the tinier than tiniest child’s play stuff. My late mother-in-law would never go to a fireworks display because she had been on the receiving end of the D-Day landings. Others can enjoy a fireworks display only because it is controlled play, not the real thing – a form of escapism. My mother-in-law was not afraid of fireworks; she was recovering from what Barbara Hand Clow calls ‘catastrophobia’.

Cash cows for future generations: I don’t think this is a viable concept at all. The planet is fast being sucked dry of the human energy that has been convertible into cash. I think you are applying an outmoded category to what is rapidly becoming a whole new ball game. And this includes the metaphorical ‘buying stuff’ in whatever quantities. I for one am not buying anything. My approach is to build logically upon a few observable facts, and a few scientific theories with a proven track record. Scientific theories such as the electric universe theory which made a series of counterintuitive predictions about the nature of comets; when the probe’s findings came in, mainstream science was astounded. Observable facts such as the existence of comets at all, and their cousins the asteroids: the asteroid belt is in itself evidence enough that bad stuff happens on a planetary scale. Check out astronomer Tom van Flandern’s exploded planet hypothesis:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1420-Simon-Parkes-about-Mantis-Aliens-Reptiles-and-other-aliens.&p=767808&viewfull=1#post767808
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89292-Robert-Graves-and-Archaeolmythology&p=1052987&viewfull=1#post1052987


The secret space program is at least a century ahead of what we know about. We have already gone to Mars, are probably currently on Mars, underground.
There is a logical contradiction right there: you are literally getting ahead of yourself and claim to know something ‘ahead of what we know about’. You may very well be right, but until you come up with a scrap of evidence, you yourself are swallowing possible bait, along with the hook, the line and the sinker — all bona fide, I hasten to add, except the secrecy itself, which can only take us into the realm of conjecture (see below).

I personally am not buying anything. In particular I am reserving judgment about the Mars photos: they are secondary evidence that may have been doctored. I notably have a few reservations about things like the face on Mars. For example, Richard Hoagland’s interpretation of it being a ruined city actually undermines the very principle of a face. If you are making a face with predictable facial features and symmetry, that is an artwork that cannot be produced by building a city, living in it and then destroying it, but by transposing features and symmetry from an actual face into stone. Of course, you can then live in the face, but the two processes are different. However, the new pictures supplied by John Brandenburg are certainly suggestive of a city.

I personally am not buying anything. I am trying to examine the implications of the electric universe (EU) theory. If I have one factual data point, then a certain number of things can or will follow. David Talbott’s Saturn-Venus-Mars-Earth theory can follow from EU since for example the thunderbolts described in mythology and drawn in archaeological earth artefacts such as can be seen in museums do indeed correspond to effects theorized between planets coming close and reproducible in the laboratory. So far, no conjecture is involved. You have thunderbolts in the laboratory, you have predicted effects in the solar system (comets), and you have myriads of archaeological artefacts that you could hold in your hand. You then join these dots by conjecturing new information that can then be tested.

The word ‘conjecture’ by the way has become ambiguous. It really means drawing conclusions from incomplete evidence: I would suggest that, given the nature of our situation, that is the best we can do most of the time; such conjecture is only valid as part of a process: where does it lead? We are by definition exploring new territory, where our old certainties are no longer there to support us. On the other hand, to downgrade conjecture to mean mere guesswork, now that is what I call fear-mongering: don’t go there, the ground is unstable (or back in the sixties, don’t go to the moon, you might disappear in feet of moondust). There is danger at every step, but as we are coming away from danger, we cannot go back. That’s not fearful, it’s extremely brave.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89594-Evil-the-big-grand-psyop-&p=1055378&viewfull=1#post1055378

[seah]

well, aurucaria, you certainly have put a lot of effort into your post. I made some personal observations about the video, which I am at liberty to make. I'm happy you are not "buying anything”. You understand of course, that I wasn't speaking to you personally; therefore if it didn't apply to you, you don't have to respond. I don’t understand the strong reaction to some innocuous opinions.
Furthermore, your interpretation of something I have said as a "logical contradiction" and that you find a word I used as having become "ambiguous" suggests to me a rather petty discourse that I don’t feel is necessary.
I don’t understand your reference to my Mars One being a cash cow in the future, as you intentionally disregarded the subject in the first place and then proceeded to take it out of context to go off on a tangent. Let us just agree to disagree.

[jcocks]

I think we have already been invaded. Most extra terrestrials don't exist in our physical level anyway, they'd be more what we term "spiritual". I believe the invasion has been spiritual rather than phyiscal, and they have taken over our religions. Many humans likely do their bidding without even realising it. The trick is to be able discern your own thoughts from those that do not belong to you. The ones you don't recognise as your own, throw away. Don't discount what I'm saying out of hand - give it a shot for a day or so. If you don't have any thoughts that you don't identify with, that seem out of charector for who you accept yourself to be, then great. If you're looking for a physical invasion, by the time you find one it will be too late, as the spiritual invasion of our planet and species will be done and dusted.

If we don't start to see our problems as being largely spiritual in nature, and start to look at fixing them from a spiritual viewpoint, then we'll never fix our problems. It's the only way to fight this invasion - by paying real honest attention to our spirits, and nurturing them like they ought to be nurtured. Too many have been ignoring them for too long, or even purposely starving them. It's reached a point where I dare say many of us wouldn't even recognise our own spirutal voice. If that's the case for you, it's time to start getting reacquainted with it. NOW.

I think what we're seeing in society is that we're dealing with an "invasion of the body snatchers" - spirits that want our bodies. If you ever watched the series "extant" - it's a little like that. It's likely that they were the ones who caused our ancient advanced civilizations such as Atlantis to fall, through influencing some among those civilizations to misuse energies and technology so that we would fall to a level where we are susceptible to their attacks. And we've been dealing with their attacks ever since.

A lot of what I wrote above just came to me, so I figured I ought to get it out :) It's food for thought. I don't claim to know everything, or even have ANY of the answers, but I feel like I'm on to something there, so...

I'm interested to hear your thoughts :)

[araucaria]

well, aurucaria, you certainly have put a lot of effort into your post. I made some personal observations about the video, which I am at liberty to make. I'm happy you are not "buying anything”. You understand of course, that I wasn't speaking to you personally; therefore if it didn't apply to you, you don't have to respond. I don’t understand the strong reaction to some innocuous opinions.
Furthermore, your interpretation of something I have said as a "logical contradiction" and that you find a word I used as having become "ambiguous" suggests to me a rather petty discourse that I don’t feel is necessary.
I don’t understand your reference to my Mars One being a cash cow in the future, as you intentionally disregarded the subject in the first place and then proceeded to take it out of context to go off on a tangent. Let us just agree to disagree.
Yes seah, I do tend to put a lot of effort into my posts. You make it almost sound like a defect. I do it notably to avoid making remarks that are maybe not as innocuous as they were intended (there are many harmless ways of doing harm), but most of all because otherwise we come in for the accusation of just talking without getting anything done. Since you don’t understand where I’m coming from, let me put some more effort into trying to explain. But if you insist on disagreeing, which of course you are perfectly free to do, then understand that I am not specifically speaking to you either. I am looking for areas of agreement.

Why I responded to your comment: I was more likely to take your comment as referring to posts on this thread rather than to just anonymous readers. And there is indeed a sense in which I am more aligned with the ‘buyers’ than with your ‘to whom it may concern’ or ‘present company excepted’ approach. This is a more general point that extends beyond whatever the specific subject matter under discussion. If you are listening to a little girl telling her stories or to someone with mental health issues, of course you don’t believe everything they say, but if ever you show signs of disbelief, you’re done for, no further communication is possible and it may even get a little nasty. Similarly, a trauma victim may speak incoherently, saying things that seem to make no sense. In all these cases, you keep the line of communication open and talk them through the situation. This is how you get them from being a temporarily dysfunctional person into being a useful member of human society. You have to be dead serious; anything less just not cut it.

One of the few things we know for certain from all kinds of personal experience is that when dysfunctional members of society step out or line, they do so for a reason: they do so on account of something awful that they have done or that has happened to them. They may have had a poor night’s sleep or a bad day at the office: you give them something to drink, and talk it through with them. Or maybe they’ve just lost a loved one, or they’ve been in a war zone, or they fell out of their pram as a baby. Or maybe they are abusers who were themselves abused. Buying into their story is not the way to go, but refusing to buy into their story is never an effective option.

What I am suggesting is that this principle holds regardless of the scale of the phenomenon. You have a single scale whereby a child can get upset, a poor sleeper can get grumpy, a widow feel helpless without her late husband, a refugee suffer from PTSD. If worse things than that happen, and they do, then chances are the same process is involved.
Today we have some highly dysfunctional people running what has become a highly dysfunctional humanity. They have taken us to a place where we are capable of nuking the entire planet: if not destroying it, at least producing planetwide nuclear winter such as John Brandenburg is seeing on Mars. This is a simple, unassailable, mainstream fact: no conjecture involved. So we know how to kill a planet, and we know for a fact – independently of Brandenburg’s particular interpretation – that Mars is a once alive planet that is now very dead: again no conjecture and no conspiracy theory involved. Hence on the one hand, something happened to Mars, and on the other hand something happened to the controllers to put them in a state of mind and a concomitant state of technology making them capable of planetary destruction. The only piece of conjecture is to apply to this situation the cause-and-effect relationship that we have all experienced on various smaller scales.

So all I am doing here is taking two facts and linking them by applying a so far universally applicable causative effect. This is no more adventurous than – in fact it is as cautious as – seeing an apple fall off a tree and seeing another apple on the ground under a tree, and then understanding the risk involved in standing under a coconut palm. So far, I haven’t brought beliefs into play at all. But there inevitably comes a stage when you have to overcome your disbelief. We are reaching a stage when no one will accept anything anymore. The Flat Earth movement is largely a kneejerk reaction of this type. But we can also be victims of our disbelief. We shut our eyes to the truth. Respectability is the weapon that the likes of Jimmy Savile use to get away with monstrous crimes. Deceit, deception or misunderstanding is a major ingredient of all that is bad in the world, until the culprit owns up and sometimes is hard to believe when he does.

So when I see people doing the ultimate in ‘evil’ such as contemplating destroying our planet, I take them deadly seriously. And when I see an antecedent for that, I take the Mars scenario deadly seriously too. They say Big Brother hears everything; I would add that he never seems to listen. Everything we post gets read, one supposes, but how far does it get up the chain of command? Not very far, I suggest, because we do not mean business: we are not being serious. I want to take my thoughts all the way up past amor’s ‘perpetrators’ to their controllers. I want to get through to whoever can say with the utmost seriousness, and demand to be believed, that yes ‘We (our people) nuked a planet, and yes, we did it to save our own planet, and yes, we have been very messed up ever since, and yes, we have got to a stage where we need help.’

That is the kind of situation, likely not correct in every detail, that to my mind must be the root cause of what we are seeing in the world today. The only way to bring this out into the open is to understand the unbelievable: no more playing around. As I say, the scenario under discussion is plausible; something like this, of this largest magnitude on the scale of our solar system, is actually expected by the above line of thinking.

When it comes to being deadly serious at this level, we all feel totally inadequate, first because it is altogether way beyond our perceived ‘pay grade’, way beyond the scope of any action that we have become accustomed to taking. But we are all in this together; it is not you and me or us and them, so we need to learn to function at this bigger level. The other problem is that being deadly serious is difficult because the aim and the proper response is just the opposite: to lighten up. Overseriousness being the root problem; we talk a great deal about fear too, but the basic issue is insecurity: we all feel insecure because the universe, this part at least, is not a very safe place right now. (Making it safer is the bigger goal we can start on once we have sorted ourselves out.) You need to be both serious and reassuring in every situation. It starts with a small child near a big dog; whatever you do, the indicator of success is when the child relaxes its grip on your hand and starts behaving normally. Sometimes, though, it is the parent who is insecure, and the child’s hand gets mangled unless it can find a solution. Scale this all the way to Planet Earth, this seems to be where we are at, and this is the level at which we can do something. It calls for ‘serious relaxation’ or ‘effortless effort’, cf. the Taoist notion wu wei.

Here are some possible ways forward in finding a solution, something else I tend to put a lot of effort into :)
The expanding domino effect: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?78630-John-Lash-s-Kalika-war-party&p=969181&viewfull=1#post969181
Anna Breytenbach’s work communicating with wild animals, and specifically a black panther that didn’t like being called Diabolo, something you can only find out ‘from the horse’s mouth’:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30405-Here-and-Now...What-s-Happening&p=960937&viewfull=1#post960937

Kinesiology: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?79998-Do-we-really-recognize-individual-and-collective-history&p=934226&viewfull=1#post934226

Remo Roth’s Symptom-Symbol Transformation (SST) and Body-Centered Imagination (BCI), http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80742-Fitts-and-Farrell-Secret-Space-Program-Conference-San-Mateo-2014&p=943745&viewfull=1#post943745
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?80742-Fitts-and-Farrell-Secret-Space-Program-Conference-San-Mateo-2014&p=944068&viewfull=1#post944068

[OnyxKnight]

What if instead of the versions of the opening post, we are a weapon? Of course, sitting in a strategic place in space too.

[Carmody]

Who says we haven't?

I would support Fort's thesis, that we are already someone's property.

Ignorance breeds commodification.


What does this say about enforced ignorance?

For indeed, we are living in a world with violently (nay, brutally) enforced ignorance, when it comes to all avenues of information sharing that may bring about personal freedoms and/or a global wisdom.

[araucaria]

Who says we haven't?

I would support Fort's thesis, that we are already someone's property.

Ignorance breeds commodification.


What does this say about enforced ignorance?

For indeed, we are living in a world with violently (nay, brutally) enforced ignorance, when it comes to all avenues of information sharing that may bring about personal freedoms and/or a global wisdom.
Yes but things have never been as static as would be ideal or required from a controlling standpoint. We would now see bible-thumping as a sign of ignorance, but where did the bible-thumpers get their bibles from? Protestantism and a fortiori agnosticism and atheism only became possible after Gutenberg’s invention of the printing press. The Internet is the latest step in that process. It is a process, for as long as we don’t get stuck at some stage. The process is what the experience is all about. Clamouring for disclosure for some is like getting stuck with a crossword puzzle and wanting to look up the solutions without working out the clues. What is the value or enjoyment in that? We don’t have the solution, but we do have hints on crossword-solving technique. Socrates said, "All I know is that I know [next to] nothing". In other words, we evolve from original ignorance into awareness of that ignorance, and maybe someday towards some real knowledge or understanding. Most people are still catching up with Socrates; many others are content to stay with knowing they know nothing. But Socrates meant next to nothing and building on that little, which is what his philosophy is all about: i.e. inquiry. Whatever disclosure we do get will be confirmation (or maybe contradiction) of what we have worked out so far for ourselves, thereby providing a new lead to continue the process.

The old enlightenment was reading the bible for oneself, looking for and not finding revelation. The new enlightenment is not simply browsing the Internet or for that matter reading the mainstream press: if you are looking for knowledge, this will come in the form of pseudo-revelation. This is no different from the earlier stage: therefore the process has stalled, and you will be stuck in ignorance. The new element that people need to learn is this process of inquiry, learning to think for themselves, as we often say on the forum. This is a whole new mindset to be developed. I think in the twenty years since the Internet really got going, a great many people have really got their skates on. Back then, i.e. only yesterday, everyone in management gave any writing they had to do to a secretary or a typing pool. Now we have millions doing all that writing themselves and a whole lot more creative stuff as well. Gutenberg taught us to read; the Internet is teaching us to write. I don’t think the process has stalled, which means that awareness of commodification is not far behind the actual thing itself, just as crime figures tend to rise when effective measures against a given crime begin to bite and reporting goes up.

[Starseed]

Thank you Bill for highlighting this very important topic. I can tell you that yes, the galactic alliance would not want the entire humanity to go to waste because we are perfect lab rats. We serve various purposes on many different levels. As human beings, we are extremely complex. We carry wild ranges of emotions, are aware of our soul and have been genetically manipulated for millenia. Being so malleable allows alien species to embody our race very easily. While we are an experimental ground for many alien races, we have the power to destroy and to create. Studying and understanding us is like studying primitive groups of individuals for anthropologists. It brings us nearer to the source. Where do we come? Why are we here? Karmic laws will prevent alien species to destroy humanity because humanity is capable of doing this all by itself. It almost happened before and it will happen again. Those genetic mutations and manipulation will allow the next generations of beings to be super conscious, to form a new form of Homo Sapiens that will transcend to a greater being.

[DNA]

Anyone ever see the movie "John dies at the end"? It's a great movie. There is a character in this movie that in my estimation could very well play an interchangeable role with what we consider to be "aliens".
In this movie the character referred to as "The Jamaican", understands space and time and uses a pretty cool metaphor to explain his point of view.
"Time is an ocean, not a garden hose, and your mind is a corn snake hurtling through space trying all of the possibilities".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYvYMaWIsro
JYvYMaWIsro


I think this scene helps to illustrate how we are like ants in an antfarm in so far as the time constraint is concerned.
We view time like water coming out of a water hose, and there are those who do not, and they see not only the future and the past but all of the different possibilities that are constantly causing the past and future to affect one another.

[Ewan]

Liked the clip, found the whole movie.

I'm not embedding it, go to zzzzz://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63csmoTwNgM (HTTPS = zzzzz)

Edit: Watching now, seems a bit over-acted by some, unless it is deliberate in which case its very well done.

Great line here though, soundls like humanity are the bees. :)

32m - "Fascinating, they harvest insects here, do they not? For their, honey? Do the bees know that they make the honey for you, or do they work tirelessly because they think it is their own choice?"

I'll keep watching.

[betoobig]

We live in a planetary hollographic prision!
That is why we haven't been invaded.
Is evasion what we need, and should be done from inside the prision. Perhaps with " a little help from our friends" ?
Good luck, we need it, and much, much Love!

[EFO]

Well, leaving aside the sci-fi stereotypes form movies/literature,I reply with a question:

Which strongest or weakest army in the world would invade/occupy an ant/bee or any other insect colony and make them slaves or harvest their souls?Just asking... Just thinking to the greatest general from our world staying in front of an ant colony and speaking,after his great conquer,about the "benefits" of the humanity over ants,for me would be like a great disillusion for humanity and that general have serious problems at the Penthouse.

On the other hand,seriously speaking now,only a lower civilization could think to have colonial interests,just like us.And I think that these kind of species are very few in the Universe known and unknown.

[Bill Ryan]

On the other hand,seriously speaking now,only a lower civilization could think to have colonial interests,just like us.

Maybe not. There's absolutely no indication (in Earth's history) that technological advancement = spiritual advancement. In fact, we may be much LESS spiritually advanced than our distant ancestors.

We're several thousand years later on than the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians or Sumerians. We have spaceflight and the internet, and all kinds of everyday gadgets that our ancestors would regard as miraculous. All we do is kill even more people — and at a greater distance, faster and more efficiently.

And our low-tech ancestors respected and understood nature, and conserved it with great awareness. We are half way through destroying our home with all our violent, modern toys.

Advanced, we're not. Some ETs, even more technologically capable than us, might possibly be less aware... not more.




serious problems at the Penthouse

I think you mean the Pentagon! :)

(Not laughing at you. Welcome to the forum! :sun: )

[lunaflare]

Given we are not fully connected with the consciousness of planet Earth
and given we are most likely a hybridization of "off-planet" genetics,
surely we are the invaders? The poor state of our oceans and forests, the pollution, mass killings, endangered and now extinct plant and animal species shows Earth is under attack.
Living with Earth requires listening with the heart-mind. I imagine there is no desire to kill for territory, for God, or for resources with heart-mind consciousness. I imagine there is no desire to take more than one needs to thrive. In my opinion we are invaders until this facility is awakened, embodied and practiced.
An invader can change their ways, however. It is a process-sometimes very long- to re-set belief systems and change behaviours.
Heart. Earth.
Yes, an anagram we know well. The heart of the matter is just that; The heart of matter. Mater. Mother. What the mystics of olden have tried to impart...

[EFO]

Dear Bill,

Many thanks for welcoming.

"There's absolutely no indication (in Earth's history) that technological advancement = spiritual advancement. In fact, we may be much LESS spiritually advanced than our distant ancestors." You're right on the first quoted sentence.On the second sentence some of us are starting to be more aware than others and perhaps we reach a middle level of some of our ancestors or starting to see the surroundings from an other perspective and here I'm referring to a total OTHER perspective.

"All we do is kill even more people — and at a greater distance, faster and more efficiently." Yes,because some of us still have serious problems at the Penthouse.Question:What is cheaper,to colonize with humans other inhabitable planets with ET's free help,or killing humans on Earth by ourselves?

"Some ETs, even more technologically capable than us, might possibly be less aware... not more." The ET (I named them friends) subject is very delicate and intimate for me and I truly don't want to discuss it in public.I know what I saw,"dreamed" and happens to me during my life time and please believe me Mr. Ryan,that is waaay much more than what I read/saw on Internet.What I can only say is that "they" are amazing from any point of view someone can think or imagine,even their crafts are not resemble even closer to any picture/movie on Internet/Hollywood.And no,we do not meditate,praying or use other form of practice to "call" "them".Me and my wife,let's say that,simply "see" "them" almost every evening/night when the sky is clear.Sorry if I was off topic.

[EFO]

[/QUOTE]I think you mean the Pentagon! :)

(Not laughing at you. Welcome to the forum! :sun: )[/QUOTE]

Yes,yes the Pent house :crazy: the Pent house :crazy:

[Starseed]

Invading Planet Earth is not a simple matter. Assuming that we are all coming from the Source, everybody believes to be on their own mission to elevate oneself further. Humanity may have reached a point of no return in its evolution cycle and for some alien races, this needs to be "recycled" to start anew, giving some room for Planet Earth to breathe once again.

Many alien races from the Galactic alliance who supported humans in their path to evolution throughout times (this happened many times before here), intervene in different ways to arbitrate on Earth when the balance is being affected and the resulting effect harms the cosmic evolution to greater densities.

The galactic alliance who originally sent their own kind to Earth to learn and change human evolution do not want to see their project ruined by human egos (Lemuria and Atlantis were prime examples of the mistakes from past civilizations where the Galactic Alliance intervened). Starseeds and Indigo children were the last attempt and still represent a potential escape and survival of humankind in order to elevate their consciousness.

Dracos feel they are right in their mission of full control of humanity and this may result in them elevate too, for them to get closer to the source. However, while the Galactic alliance also knows that souls would be recycled, this group may let the Dracos do their bidding while giving a fighting chance for their Starseeds to salvage their own while putting them through this experience as part of their learning and mission.

One remark: Starseeds are only part of a larger puzzle. They do not hold the keys of salvation by themselves. It is by uniting and communication with similar people that Starseeds will accomplish their destiny on this Earth and protect as many as possible. Starseeeds born around the same time will most likely be the most compatible. For example, one starseed may display clairvoyance while another would display clairaudience. By meeting one another, all these skills will mix until both can easily share clairvoyance and clairaudience at the same time until they meet a third starseed who may share telepathy with them, and so on. Many will perish and that's ok because their souls will pursue their journey elsewhere for as long as there is a perpetual learning experience to expand everyone's consciousness in the cosmos.

[EFO]

@ Starseed
You're right,the Galactic alliance or however their name is,is here through their multiple civilizations/races (I don't agree with these both terms/cliches) to develop,in a good way,our own civilization.Nothing more to said,just simply accept it.

[Starseed]

@ Starseed
You're right,the Galactic alliance or however their name is,is here through their multiple civilizations/races (I don't agree with these both terms/cliches) to develop,in a good way,our own civilization.Nothing more to said,just simply accept it.

Hello EFO,

You are totally in your right not to accept it and take this as an hoax or pure quackery. People are like radios. If they are stuck on one single frequency, they can't access the other ones at the same time. And there is nothing wrong with it. Just enjoy the music!

[EFO]

@Starseed

Hi Starseed,

I didn't said that I don't accept this hypothesis.futhermore I like to be more than true,if anyone could truly prove that is correct.On the other hand,through my own experience,I really know that is something up there as well as amazing as down here.For example see my post http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90649-Intergalactic-Anthropology-Spirconomics-the-Future-of-Humanity&p=1068435&viewfull=1#post1068435 .

If you are interested about we can discuss further.
Kind regards,
Adrian

[ozmirage]

Partially furred, electrically powered water filled gas processing meat bags inhabited by sentient multidimensional beings ARE invaders...
And to augment that point with the observation that any population that geometrically procreates will not benefit from conquering mere planets.

Frankly, there's little benefit at residing at the bottom of a gravity well, when all the goodies (radiant power, raw materials, and expansion space) are outside.

Based on population doubling every 50 years, each century represents 2 doublings.
Starting at 2012 AD with 7 billion people (7.0 E+9)
Future ... Yrs. Diff. ... Population
2050 AD ... 38 ... .... 1.185E+10
2100 AD ... 88 ... .... 2.371E+10
2200 AD ... 188 ... ... 9.484E+10
2300 AD ... 288 ... ... 3.793E+11
2400 AD ... 388 ... ... 1.517E+12
2500 AD ... 488 ... ... 6.069E+12
3000 AD ... 988 ... ... 6.215E+15

4000 AD ... 1988 ... .. 6.517E+21

5000 AD ... 2988 ... .. 6.834E+27 (a billion billion times greater than current population)

6000 AD ... 3988 ... ...7.166E+33

The obvious place is outer space for one's conquest and colonization.

. . .
Space colonization is the only remedy that makes room for the seventh generation yet to come.

Space Colonization Basics
http://settlement.arc.nasa.gov/Basics/wwwwh.html#why

The key advantage of space settlements is the ability to build new land, rather than take it from someone else. This allows a huge expansion of humanity without war or destruction of Earth's biosphere. The asteroids alone provide enough material to make new orbital land hundreds of times greater than the surface of the Earth, divided into millions of colonies. This land can easily support trillions of people.

Space colonization begets world peace. World peace begets space colonization.

TRILLIONS DEPEND ON US TO GET INTO SPACE COLONIZATION.