Exolinguistics - alien languages: the work of Nancy du Tertre

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, All:

I've been talking to Nancy du Tertre, who has just joined the forum as a member. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?29707-Nancy-du-Tertre)

She's a bit of a polymath, and besides working for a number of years as an attorney, is a trained remote viewer who has a lot of experience as a psychic and medical intuitive. Her website is http://theskepticalpsychic.com, and her latest research topic is exolinguistics... the study of alien languages and script. She wrote a book about it, here:

How to talk to an Alien (http://www.amazon.com/How-Talk-Alien-Nancy-Tertre/dp/1632650215)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/412rmY5U6HL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

... although maybe an alternative (but not quite so neat) title might have been How to Figure Out what Aliens are Trying to Say. :)

She made an interesting presentation to MUFON, here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_sf_JRj5sM
She asked me for some feedback about the video, and I also told her that Avalon members would be happy to offer their informed views, as well. The tech problems weren't her fault... she'd prepared meticulously, but it was the MUFON techies who messed up (and John Greenwald didn't introduce her at the start in the way she would have preferred).

She and I talked extensively about the subject, and I realized that there was some important missing information here... there was a marked difference between Jesse Marcel Jr's recollection (and reconstruction) of the Roswell 'I-Beam' (he'd been shown one of them by his father when he was a young boy), and what was included a few years back in Ray Santilli's (in)famous Alien Autopsy film — of which more later, maybe, because I have a little bit of information about that. (Though, please note, the autopsy itself is off-topic in this thread!)

I searched for this ORIGINAL footage of the I-beams, that I'd clearly remembered seeing a number of years back, but completely failed to find it on the net... though it's entirely possible I might not have dug deep enough. Eventually, I unearthed the material in my own archives, and the (very interesting!) three-minute clip is uploaded here.

Do watch this — highly recommended. All I can say is that it looks pretty real to me.

http://we.tl/Z6QNXxpwZM (3 mins, highest available quality, 213 Mb, downloadable till 3 April)

As a teaser, in my next post I'll show a few screenshots.

Nancy is here on the forum as a new member, and she'd be delighted to say Hi to you all and answer questions. Note that her MUFON presentation, which is merely a kind of fast-sample smörgåsbord (buffet!) of her extensive work, is just the tip of the iceberg of the contents of the book.

[Bill Ryan]

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(continuation)

Screenshots from the video which is downloadable from here (http://we.tl/Z6QNXxpwZM):

http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_1_ sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_2_ sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_3_ sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_4_ sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_5_ sm.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_6_ sm.jpg

And here's a composite image I created from four screenshots, showing one of the beams. (Note that there are two in the video, one of which is shorter and broken.)

http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_co mposite_sm.jpg

@ Nancy, we have a longstanding Avalon member called RunningDeer (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?10697-RunningDeer), whose name is Paula and who's pretty handy with Photoshop. (Others are, of course, so this is not exclusive!) I've asked her if she can compile a better quality, enhanced image of the entire beam.

The above images are all reduced in size, and therefore quality, to fit on the page here. The larger original screenshots are here — including the components of the composite — and can all be downloaded:


http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_1_ lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_2_ lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_3_ lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_4_ lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_5_ lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_6_ lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_7a _lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_7b _lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_7c _lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_7d _lg.jpg
http://projectavalon.net/Roswell_I_Beam_Alien_Autopsy_footage_screenshot_co mposite_lg.jpg

As a comparison, Jesse Marcel Jr (https://lamarzulli.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/roswell-66-years-ago-my-interview-with-dr-jesse-marcel-jr)'s recreation of the I-beam he remembers being shown by his father when he was a young boy of 10, is here. They're so totally different, it has to be possible that the beam he saw was another one, not depicted in the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDP51gFx4Bo

[uzn]

Some more pix from roswell (6 fingers by the way) :

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since we talking languages here does anybody know if the C.A.R.E.T. program is real or fake ? I´m posting 2 pictures from it here.

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[Bill Ryan]

since we talking languages here does anybody know if the C.A.R.E.T. program is real or fake ? I´m posting 2 pictures from it here.



Yes, very real. :thumbsup:

[WhiteLove]

Thanks Bill, very good information!

[Bill Ryan]

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The CARET story can be read here. (caveat: complicated, fascinating and detailed!)

http://metatech.org/wp/aliens/drones-military-reverses-alien-technology

A recreation (slightly enhanced version) of the CARET report is here:

http://droneteam.com/images/isaac/PACL_Q486_Research_Report_re-creation.pdf

http://droneteam.com/images/isaac/PACL_Q486_Research_Report_re-creation.pdf

Although MUFON was very critical of it, I'm personally convinced it's totally real, and so is Linda Howe, who talked about it in detail here. (This is her 2015 Secret Space Conference presentation, which was excellent.)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPAU6-OMNFM

Nancy du Tertre regards it as very real, too. As a sample, here's one of the images (full-size, high resolution) from the CARET report.

http://droneteam.com/history/isaac/pacl-lang-analysis-p119-fullsize.jpg

[uzn]

Bill the PDF you posted has only the first 9 Pages in it. The hole report has over 200 pages. I could get hold of 16 pages uploaded them here:
http://we.tl/nWZumuB4h1
if somebody has the hole report please share

whats funny about the hole CARET story: Alienware (now owned by Dell) uses these symbols on their computers. The CARET report concluded that the letters were something of a programers language, giving parts function only by applying the text. Anyway, the funny part: Alienware was asked if they own a copyright on this font. They replied that this font is not their interlectual property !!! but they used it because they found it interesting.
http://www.dailygrail.com/images/stories/alienware.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0NupCyQ.jpg

[Bill Ryan]

Bill the PDF you posted has only the first 9 Pages in it. The whole report has over 200 pages.

Thanks! :)

Were there really 200? Here's a version with 19 pages...

http://theobjectreport.com/media/caret.pdf

http://www.theobjectreport.com/media/caret.pdf

There's extensive reporting and investigation here. This may be the most detailed site for source material.

http://droneteam.com

Isaac's testimony is here, with links to his document scans:

http://droneteam.com/history/isaac

(For anyone unfamiliar with the story: 'Isaac' is a whistleblower who stated he had worked on a classified program (called CARET) in Palo Alto, CA, in the mid-1980s. His story is detailed and credible. Linda Howe did several Coast To Coast AM features about it.)

More interviews and articles here:


LA Times article Cover (A cold case from outer space) (http://droneteam.com/media/LA%20Times%20article.jpg), Full Article (http://droneteam.com/media/LA%20Times%20article.pdf)
Fox News, March 20, 2008 (http://droneteam.com/media/VIDEOS/FoxNews_200308.flv)
KSBW, March 27, 2008 (http://droneteam.com/media/VIDEOS/KSBW_270308.flv)
CBC Radio As it Happens (http://droneteam.com/media/SOUNDS/CBC_As_it_Happens_TK_Davis_210308.mp3) March 21, 2008
NBC, The Today Show, April 24, 2008 (http://droneteam.com/media/VIDEOS/NBC_24Avril08.flv)
Quantum Leap radio show (http://droneteam.com/media/SOUNDS/KRXA-drone-20080426.mp3) KRXA April 26, 2008
Saratoga newspaper (http://www.mercurynews.com/community/ci_9164355)
Fox News May 8, 2008 (http://droneteam.com/media/VIDEOS/fox35.flv)
Linda Moulton Howe, Drones, Coast to Coast AM May 26, 2007. 22 minutes (http://droneteam.com/media/SOUNDS/Linda-Drones-C2C-260507-22mns.mp3)
Linda Moulton Howe, Shirley, Coast to Coast AM May 26, 2007. 6 minutes (http://droneteam.com/media/SOUNDS/Linda-Shirley-C2C-260507-6mns.mp3)
Linda Moulton Howe, Radio Ici & Maintenant, February 3, 2008, 23 minutes (http://droneteam.com/media/SOUNDS/LMH_Feb08-23mn_DronesOnly.mp3)
Whitley Strieber and Linda Moulton Howe March 21, 2008, 5 minutes (http://droneteam.com/media/SOUNDS/Strieber_LMH_210308_5mns.mp3)
Linda Moulton-Howe, Paranormal Cafe, September 14, 2007, 10 minutes (http://droneteam.com/media/SOUNDS/LMH_ParanormalCafe-140907-10mns.mp3)
Central Scrutinizer (http://droneteam.com/media/VIDEOS/Scrutinizer_Drones.flv)
Linda Moulton-Howe, Drones, Coast to Coast AM May 30, 2008, 18 minutes (http://droneteam.com/media/SOUNDS/Linda-Drones-C2C-300508-18mns.mp3)

[uzn]

Bill, not sure if it really has 200 pages, but the Exampletextpage you posted above is page 119. It has at least 123 pages, most likely more.

[Bill Ryan]

Bill, not sure if it really has 200 pages, but the Exampletextpage you posted above is page 119. It has at least 123 pages, most likely more.

Ah yes, got it. That entire CARET document has never been published — as best I know. 'Isaac' released a number of scans from specific individual pages, and the PDFs on the internet are compilations of those.

[Shannon]

Thank you, Bill...I will be reading all about this all day now! Fascinating:)

Thank you and welcome to Nancy also :)

[Hym]

David Adair's experience, that can be found in his interviews, suggests that much of the symbology is simply numbering on parts. (If you have not seen the video it is a good insight into tech truths and the role that advanced bio-active/ bio-responsive/ bio-interactive mechanisms play in some traveling vehicles.)

It makes little sense that any civilization would send marks on their tech to communicate with another exo-civilization, which is what we are to them-genetically connected or not. Saying this, my sense, to me, may also be my ignorance from their insights.

Ideas and speculations abound and I find them interesting, especially here on Avalon where there is a rare, unique openness, that is sometimes revealing.

[Bill Ryan]

Gary Adair's experience, that can be found in the Camelot interviews

Do you mean David Adair? (But Camelot never interviewed David Adair...) Do say more.

[Hervé]

Yes, David Adair, there is a thread about him and the serial part number symbols.

Here is the video it's from, from the 00:37:00 mark:


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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=9488&d=1423605345&thumb=1

[Shannon]

Just finished Nancy's presentation and very much liked it. Her style of delivering her work was pleasant, and warm...she seems like a pretty cool chick....

Really interesting and fascinating stuff, presented in a neat and tidy way ...I walked away with more knowlege, more questions, and a new girl crush :)

[Hym]

Thanks, Herve! This is one of the interviews that David has given.

Yes, Bill. My mistake (corrected in post above). I have so many interviews recorded I'm not surprised I made those errors, especially since we were gifted so many richly textured interviews from your, and Kerry's, works on Camelot, and those from other sources. Those interviews opened up different insights and affirmations of experiences, leading to the only things I see as valuable: sharing, inspiring and healing.

The interview tells of David's early history in building rockets and ends up with his visit to a Groom Lake and his guided underground inspection of a bus size bioactive engine, which interacted with his highly informed curiosity and eventually with his anger. More importantly, if it is true, the story tells of his decision to sabotage his rocket outside on the dry lake bed in order to prevent his understanding of the obvious nature of the bio-interactive engine being used to attack another country and possibly kill millions. You probably remember the interview. Thanks for the thread. Let's see where it goes.

[RunningDeer]

Welcome to Avalon, Nancy. Fascinating lecture from start to finish. http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Recovered/writing_zpsd26h7e8a.GIF

I purchased your “PSYCHIC INTUITION: Everything You Ever Wanted to Ask but Were Afraid to Know (http://www.amazon.com/Psychic-Intuition-Everything-Wanted-Afraid/dp/1601632274/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459095511&sr=8-1&keywords=PSYCHIC+INTUITION)”. Looking forward to reading it and then moving onto “How to Talk to an Alien (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1632650215/ref=rdr_ext_tmb)”.

Thank you, Bill. :wave:

Here's the I-Beam pieced together. It was the best I could do given the film was grainy.


http://i1262.photobucket.com/albums/ii610/WhiteCrowBlackDeer/Roswell-I-Beam4_zpsq9mwdreu.jpg

RunningDeer ♡

[uzn]

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[4evrneo]

Hello all and welcome Nancy!

If I may bring your attention to these two videos. The first being a video of a woman who can speak and write alien languages and more. I think you will find this very fascinating and useful.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z8i-k88Aw0&feature=player_detailpage

And then this video below of Mary Rodwell and her presentation of many children that she is working with and talking about the special abilities these Hybrid-chilidren have. Mary Rodwell is most impressive in her work. I hope you will benefit by the information.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEow50Lm1vU&feature=player_detailpage

[mojo]

James Penniston's notebook has diagrams from the surface of the UFO that would be interesting to decipher. Also my video of the different colored orbs that change size, color and arrangement would be interesting to get her opinion on. I always wondered if this was communication among the collective group of ET that visited here in Oregon in 2011. I believe they knew I was filming this and still today think it is a form of communication using light.

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[Inversion]

My understanding is craft that enter the Earth realm have to post a word/phrase on their bulkhead. This would imply the symbols ping the program and some unseen intelligence is able to determine whether a ship has it posted or not on the inside of the craft.

http://www.crystalinks.com/glyph4.gif
http://www.crystalinks.com/roswell.html
http://www.geocities.ws/Area51/Cavern/2323/wreck2.gif
http://www.geocities.ws/Area51/Cavern/2323/roswellglf.html

[hohoemi]

This might be an interesting coincidence:

Many of the CARET letters are either perfect japanese letters of the "katakana" writing system (one of 3 japanese scripts, this one used for loanwords and other non-japanese words), just mirrored or otherwise flipped, and several others are not quite perfect but still readable. Several others still would, from a design standpoint, be just continuations of the same design pattern, even if no longer corresponding to "real" letters.

The I-beam has just 1 or 2 signs that would be japanese, this time in the "kanji" writing system (chinese characters).

CARET: フワヲツシソンノリ
(fu, wa, wo, tsu, shi, so, n, no, ri)
I-beam: 王 (ou = king) 三 (san = three)

In image form in case those letters aren't universally readable:
http://i68.tinypic.com/27yo8qq.png

On top of that, some letters of the I-beam look like symbols known in the west:
One that looks like a W and a few that look like mathematical symbols like "sum" or "difference". Since some theories are that Roswell is humans from the future, it wouldn't be too surprising to see familiar characters, although if that was the reason for the similarity, i'd be surprised by the strange mixture of symbols from completely different cultures and usage domains. At least currently, we tend to consign particular groups of symbols to particular domains and not mix them randomly.

[Nancy du Tertre]

Thank you so much Bill for your hospitality and inviting me to join your amazing group. And thanks to ALL of you for your comments so far. I have spent today going over all of them extremely carefully. They have generated some very interesting insights for me, correlations and confirmations of various ideas I had rolling around in my brain. So everything is EXTREMELY useful to my research from CARET. David Adair, Rochelle D'Elia, Santilli/Marcel I-beam, Penniston, and even the Alienware/Dell comment (my teenage son actually told me this a long time ago after I showed him some CARET diagrams!!!) Thank you RunningDeer for the clarified photos - that's very helpful and I truly hope you enjoy "Psychic Intuition"! I talk about language in there also. And thanks Saint Theresa for the kind comments... I'm glad I don't come off unlikeable! :D

[ulli]

Thank you so much Bill for your hospitality and inviting me to join your amazing group. And thanks to ALL of you for your comments so far. I have spent today going over all of them extremely carefully. They have generated some very interesting insights for me, correlations and confirmations of various ideas I had rolling around in my brain. So everything is EXTREMELY useful to my research from CARET. David Adair, Rochelle D'Elia, Santilli/Marcel I-beam, Penniston, and even the Alienware/Dell comment (my teenage son actually told me this a long time ago after I showed him some CARET diagrams!!!) Thank you RunningDeer for the clarified photos - that's very helpful and I truly hope you enjoy "Psychic Intuition"! I talk about language in there also. And thanks Saint Theresa for the kind comments... I'm glad I don't come off unlikeable! :D

I like you already.
Totally awesome presentation.
Captivating, on so many levels.

[Citizen No2]

I hope Nancy finds her stay at PA enjoyable and I offer my greetings. I don't think she could find a better place on the internet for constructive criticism and balance, we are not afraid to ask the difficult questions. Welcome Nancy. :clapping:

CARET......... really?

I apologise. I could well be exposing my utter ignorance here. I thought this case had been picked to bits, to the nth degree, and was found to be lacking....... including the pristinely packaged documentation (that include many errors, untruths and mistakes), and absolutely perfect photographs of the drones of course. I was of the belief that this whole episode was rolled-out, move for move, like a well organised, tactical, marketing campaign. Did anyone ever get to the bottom of who, exactly, Issac was?

I am genuinely asking for some clarification here. Honestly, I would love to be privy to more information that would turn my belief of this case into something I could believe in, because as it stands at the minute, in my mind, just telling people, "yes, this is real", does not cut it.

Why is this case real?

Regards.

[uzn]

about CARET.
I have no proof of it being legit. Thats why i wanted your input higher up in the thread. But in the documentation the photographs of the parts are extreemly good and could not be proven to be fabricated. None of the photos of the drones could be proven faked. Al what happened back when this was hot was that whereever one of these dronephotos was posted 10 or more posted comments like: Thats definitely CG. - Clear fake. etc. All they could do to undermine their claims was to produce some similar design in 3D and telling people: look, thats easy faked.
And one of the guys that took many of the photos was accused of beeing a hoaxer. There was a hole lot of pressure comming down. I looked at the photos back then and could not find one little hint that they been fabricated (bad masking, pixelation (graininess) difference in surrounding and objects, difference in blurriness or contrast, etc.). I work in and teach 3D, Photoshop and such.

[uzn]

Just 4 fun:
If you wanna check on your skills in telling a CG pic from a real one. Heres a little challenge for you by Autodesk (3D Software):

http://area.autodesk.com/fakeorfoto

if you get 50 % or below right, that should tell you something ;)

[Citizen No2]

Forget about the images...... we should know by now that without corroboration images are worth zilch.

The Devil is in the detail. The documentation is, to me, what this story is all about. That documentation, from the cover onwards, is like no technical laboratory documentation before or since. The whole story falls apart, in my mind anyway, once you put those documents under scrutiny. From Issacs's account of how he got them out, to the lay-out, the terminology used, the spelling errors and woeful terminology, the list goes on and on. It is full of holes.

The fact that Linda Moulton-Howe endorses this case should not be used as a qualifier. This is a lady that has dedicated her journalistic life to the subject of ET's and especially, the animal mutilation conundrum. For this she is applauded, and rightly so. But what she will not look at in-depth, and has in-fact gone out of her way to rubbish, is the subject of human mutilation. This throws up a big red flag to me.

As I said earlier, please, if there is more evidence, more to this than is not widely published, then point me in the right direction. I would love for this case to have more meat on the bones, because as it stands right now, it lacks credibility....... And to issue statements that, "this is real", without further explanation, evidence or testimony is a dis-service to people who may not know better.

Please prove me wrong.


Regards.

[Snoweagle]

Am only sixteen minutes into the MUFON presentation and am definetely not convinced already that Nancy has a full grasp of the puzzle she professes. Had to stop to put these comments here.

The Rosetta Stone is exactly what it says it is and I will not distract from the general consensus of the meaning and alleged purpose of its creation. To bring three regional languages together by the decree asserted on them.
However I do condemn the evidence of the Rosetta stone to disinformation as it does not teach people what the Hieroglyphs mean, it teaches what is believed to mean. This was around the period of 196BCE.
The Exodus of the Israelites occurred allegedly around 1196BCE and was a tumultuous time for mankind as expressed by the Book of Eunoch. Preceding this period there had been a massive global disaster that changed mankind biologically forever. From giants to our physiology now. Coincidentally there had been a brain wipe. What had been known as knowledge before this event was gone afterwards. Nobody at that time was able to decipher the Hieroglyphs.
The Israelites raided the archives of the pyramid and stole one of the Arks (of which there were many) and records around this time (1196BCE) which now created two factions or groups with distended data information regarding the past. The priest hood of the Pharoahs, these were the power behind the figurehead which is what the Pharoah status was and the desert hovel of the Israelites with their stolen booty. Both groups were and are still today trying to decipher those same Hieroglyphs that is under examination here in this thread.

So by the time of the creation of the Rosetta stone, approximately one thousand years later, with a growing population curious to know what the Pyramid complex was all about, I believe, a conspiracy of disinformation was created to maintain the credibility of the "kingship" of the Pharoah. This portrayed the Hieroglyphs as dominant, at the top, allegedly by the the king with the languages of the North, the ancient Greek and the South, the Demotic (the language of the Nile, Afica) asserting the right of power of the Pharoah.
Everybody had lost their past memories, over generations so what was there not to believe at that time. The world was still a confused state.

@Nancy This is my interpretation of the Rosetta Stone. Actually some of it. If you are unable to discern that everything you have ever been taught with regards mankinds past is a load of baloney, then your research will come to nought. People intuitively believe the truth. They know the truth. It is ingrained into our "sprituality".
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You also made a reference to insects with "hearing" organs inside their abdomens or other parts of their form. NO they don't. roflmao
Insects are sensitive to external vibations for their existence to be sustained. All living creatures have sense organs that engage through emitting into and absorbing from the vibrations of the environments they exist. We, the euthemistically considered dominant species compare our functions of organ use and try to overlay our environment with the same comparison and it does not work.
The cellular infrastructure is what is interacting with the environment, not the insects "perception" of environmental intercourse.
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@ Nancy I wish you well in your research. If you depend on current sciences and their belief systems all you will do is produce a mish mash, a kalidescope of reinterpreted interpretations with no foundation in the truth. People will naturally "sense" the truth. Regardless of your esteemed references, whomever or whatever they claim to be.
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As I haven't finished the presetation, I apologise if the following was included.

I had spent some time researching the past and clearly the Pyramids was on the list.
There were glyphs behind the tunnel door accessed from the Kings Chamber of the Khufu Pyramid.
Here is the link for some more insight:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028144-500-first-images-from-great-pyramids-chamber-of-secrets/
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Furthermore, listed here at Avalon today is a thread about the Giants of our past. The Nephillim. Along with the photos of the evidences of the bodies is also pictures of the glyphs of antiquity. Each set of glyphs we are told belong to some group or another. This is done to confuse researchers so be careful what you believe to be true.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89675-Mound-Builders-and-Giants-in-the-Americas
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@Nancy I personally do not have any interest at all in Aliens. I beliieve the cosmos is packed full of them. Good luck to them. They do not talk either as we do as they are highly likely to be telepaths as mankind was once before.
How can anybody consider the language of Aliens if they do not understand the languages/glyphs of our past? It is quite absurd.
Good luck to you on your journey. Am sure the books will sell for a while anyways. An openly sceptical though value your interest as "somebody has to do it, am glad it's you"
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As an end note, refer to the work of Klaus Dona. Should keep you busy for a while:-)
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To understand the scope of corruption in this area of research you are embarked you might consider also investigating the Phaitos Disk which has depictions of glyphs on both sides. The world of experts hve esposed a junket of nonsense to describe this and its origination.
Well, as you are a woman, I state now the Phaitos disk is nothing more than a dinner/banquet planner. It is read from the middlle outwards for clearly two types of menus I would guess. Have a look at it, see what you come up with.
(By the way it was not written by aliens I wouldn't have thought, as they would have brought their own space rations as others would have us believe).

[uzn]

Klaus Dona is really worth watching


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv8qdzwsGQY

I uploaded some hi-resolution Pictures of the presented Artefacts on wetransfer, they are gone in a week so grab em now.
http://we.tl/cOaAse9DGW

[Bill Ryan]

Klaus Dona is really worth watching.

http://we.tl/NITQFEmYRU

The zip file won't unzip... can you upload again?

Re Klaus, the relevance here is that many of his intriguing artifacts have an ancient language on them that has been described as 'Pre-Sanstrit' by world-class lingusitics expert Professor Kurt Schildmann (http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Kurt-Schildmann/54209887), who could speak and write over 40 languages.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a8/d5/9b/a8d59bd7843a81de4941f56f43911cec.jpg

This (below) is a post of mine copied from this 2010 thread:
Klaus Dona follow-up: The Hidden History of the Human Race (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?506-Klaus-Dona-follow-up-The-Hidden-History-of-the-Human-Race)

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?506-Klaus-Dona-follow-up-The-Hidden-History-of-the-Human-Race&p=4797&viewfull=1#post4797

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Hi, Folks:

I've had an interesting exchange with Avalon member Houman (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?322-Houman), a very intelligent and delightful man.

He has a friend who is a Touareg, who pointed out that some of the symbols in the Touarag language are identical to the ancient pre-Sanskrit symbols depicted from about 8:30 on the new video (https://youtu.be/XmMwo1Xzgus). Here is just one still from the image sequence:

http://projectavalon.net/Pre-Sanskrit_symbols.jpg

A modern symbol list (in a language now called Neo Tifinagh) is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tifinagh

http://projectavalon.net/Neo_Tifinagh.gif

The plot thickens and becomes really interesting when it turns out that (a) the last symbol on the base of the pyramid here:

http://projectavalon.net/Pre-Sanskrit_symbols_on_base_of_pyramid.jpg

...really does mean child/son in Touareg (Tifinagh). Note that Klaus said that the respected ancient-languages linguist Kurt Schildmann had translated this as [I]"The Son of the Creator comes" - and this is right next to a depiction of the stars of Orion's Belt, all on the base of a pyramid that is the splitting image of the pyramid depicted on the American dollar bill!

http://projectavalon.net/pyramid_with_eye.jpg

And (b) ...there are established mythical connections between the Touareg and Atlantis. Klaus tells me that the researcher Marcel F. Homet (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=marcel+homet) wrote about this. Klaus Dona and Houman (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?322-Houman) are now in touch with each other... the research continues.

Cheers, Bill

[uzn]

Her's the new Download link for the Pictures, tested it this time, works :)
http://we.tl/cOaAse9DGW







Note from Bill — excellent, thank you. :sun:
Some of those images I'd not seen before.

[Billy]

Welcome to Avalon Nancy, it is lovely to have you join the forum, take your time to settle in then enjoy being yet another piece of the jigsaw that is a part of the greater picture. You have the choice to debate with who you wish and when you wish. You also have the choice to ignore who you wish when you wish.

For example, comments such as.
.Well, as you are a woman, you can just ignore as it has no meaning whatsoever. :bowing:
The majority of members will debate with respect in their hearts. If respect is lacking, the forum is well moderated to deal with such.

Welcome and enjoy.
With respect.

Billy.

[Hervé]

[[...]

I've had an interesting exchange with Avalon member Houman (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?322-Houman), a very intelligent and delightful man.

He has a friend who is a Touareg, who pointed out that some of the symbols in the Touarag language [in Central Africa] are identical to the ancient pre-Sanskrit symbols depicted from about 8:30 on the new video (https://youtu.be/XmMwo1Xzgus). Here is just one still from the image sequence:

http://projectavalon.net/Pre-Sanskrit_symbols.jpg
[...]

There is a video in which Credo Mutwa talks about the Berbers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_languages)' ancestors and their traditions which he inherited parts of.

Those ancestors are also those of the Ganges who populated the Canary islands but also the founders of the Hawaii Huna tradition... as demonstrated in this book: "The Secret Science Behind Miracles (http://www.sacred-texts.com/nth/ssbm/ssbm02.htm)" (see this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=497503&viewfull=1#post497503)) which ties the Berber's language to the Huna language. With Ho'oponopono (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?40941-Horus-Ra-as-the-Archontic-Alien-Parasite-A-follow-up-interview-with-Maarit&p=500794&viewfull=1#post500794) deriving from the latter...

[Ewan]

[I].

As a comparison, Jesse Marcel Jr (https://lamarzulli.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/roswell-66-years-ago-my-interview-with-dr-jesse-marcel-jr)'s recreation of the I-beam he remembers being shown by his father when he was a young boy of 10, is here. They're so totally different, it has to be possible that the beam he saw was another one, not depicted in the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDP51gFx4Bo

Hi Bill, not sure I can accept your conclusion that they are totally different. From the perspective of a 10 yr old child they'd be very much the same. Then consider how old the son was when he had to bring up the memory of the beam and re-create it. Memories can be suspect after just a few days. :)

[Ewan]

The fact that Linda Moulton-Howe endorses this case should not be used as a qualifier. This is a lady that has dedicated her journalistic life to the subject of ET's and especially, the animal mutilation conundrum. For this she is applauded, and rightly so. But what she will not look at in-depth, and has in-fact gone out of her way to rubbish, is the subject of human mutilation. This throws up a big red flag to me.



I also found it quite disturbing that LMH veered so sharply away from the subject of human mutilation but I wouldn't, as a consequence, disregard anything she has to say because of that. It is possible, for example, that the topic of human mutilation is just a topic that she just can't even face the possibility of and subsequently disregards as a defence mechanism.

[mojo]

You also made a reference to insects with "hearing" organs inside their abdomens or other parts of their form. NO they don't. roflmao
Don't laugh too hard. Its true insects like the cricket have their hearing organs on the hind legs. Also moths have a tympanic membrane on the body to hear ultrasonic sounds.

[Bill Ryan]

Memories can be suspect after just a few days. :)

Yes, and in Jesse's case it was more like 60 years. My point was that when it comes to academic attempts to decipher (or at least ascribe potential meaning to) specific symbols, Jesse's recollection is interesting, but practically valueless in pragmatic terms.

If his recall was a good match for the beams shown in Santilli's video, then that'd be significant. But it's not... and that leaves us logically with nowhere to go.

Was it a different beam? Was it his faulty memory from 1947? We don't and can't know. In a court of law, his testimony, no matter how heartfelt, would be rejected as admissable evidence.

[Shannon]

Am only sixteen minutes into the MUFON presentation and am definetely not convinced already that Nancy has a full grasp of the puzzle she professes. Had to stop to put these comments here.

The Rosetta Stone is exactly what it says it is and I will not distract from the general consensus of the meaning and alleged purpose of its creation. To bring three regional languages together by the decree asserted on them.
However I do condemn the evidence of the Rosetta stone to disinformation as it does not teach people what the Hieroglyphs mean, it teaches what is believed to mean. This was around the period of 196BCE.
The Exodus of the Israelites occurred allegedly around 1196BCE and was a tumultuous time for mankind as expressed by the Book of Eunoch. Preceding this period there had been a massive global disaster that changed mankind biologically forever. From giants to our physiology now. Coincidentally there had been a brain wipe. What had been known as knowledge before this event was gone afterwards. Nobody at that time was able to decipher the Hieroglyphs.
The Israelites raided the archives of the pyramid and stole one of the Arks (of which there were many) and records around this time (1196BCE) which now created two factions or groups with distended data information regarding the past. The priest hood of the Pharoahs, these were the power behind the figurehead which is what the Pharoah status was and the desert hovel of the Israelites with their stolen booty. Both groups were and are still today trying to decipher those same Hieroglyphs that is under examination here in this thread.

So by the time of the creation of the Rosetta stone, approximately one thousand years later, with a growing population curious to know what the Pyramid complex was all about, I believe, a conspiracy of disinformation was created to maintain the credibility of the "kingship" of the Pharoah. This portrayed the Hieroglyphs as dominant, at the top, allegedly by the the king with the languages of the North, the ancient Greek and the South, the Demotic (the language of the Nile, Afica) asserting the right of power of the Pharoah.
Everybody had lost their past memories, over generations so what was there not to believe at that time. The world was still a confused state.

@Nancy This is my interpretation of the Rosetta Stone. Actually some of it. If you are unable to discern that everything you have ever been taught with regards mankinds past is a load of baloney, then your research will come to nought. People intuitively believe the truth. They know the truth. It is ingrained into our "sprituality".
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You also made a reference to insects with "hearing" organs inside their abdomens or other parts of their form. NO they don't. roflmao
Insects are sensitive to external vibations for their existence to be sustained. All living creatures have sense organs that engage through emitting into and absorbing from the vibrations of the environments they exist. We, the euthemistically considered dominant species compare our functions of organ use and try to overlay our environment with the same comparison and it does not work.
The cellular infrastructure is what is interacting with the environment, not the insects "perception" of environmental intercourse.
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@ Nancy I wish you well in your research. If you depend on current sciences and their belief systems all you will do is produce a mish mash, a kalidescope of reinterpreted interpretations with no foundation in the truth. People will naturally "sense" the truth. Regardless of your esteemed references, whomever or whatever they claim to be.
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As I haven't finished the presetation, I apologise if the following was included.

I had spent some time researching the past and clearly the Pyramids was on the list.
There were glyphs behind the tunnel door accessed from the Kings Chamber of the Khufu Pyramid.
Here is the link for some more insight:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21028144-500-first-images-from-great-pyramids-chamber-of-secrets/
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Furthermore, listed here at Avalon today is a thread about the Giants of our past. The Nephillim. Along with the photos of the evidences of the bodies is also pictures of the glyphs of antiquity. Each set of glyphs we are told belong to some group or another. This is done to confuse researchers so be careful what you believe to be true.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89675-Mound-Builders-and-Giants-in-the-Americas
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@Nancy I personally do not have any interest at all in Aliens. I beliieve the cosmos is packed full of them. Good luck to them. They do not talk either as we do as they are highly likely to be telepaths as mankind was once before.
How can anybody consider the language of Aliens if they do not understand the languages/glyphs of our past? It is quite absurd.
Good luck to you on your journey. Am sure the books will sell for a while anyways. An openly sceptical though value your interest as "somebody has to do it, am glad it's you"
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As an end note, refer to the work of Klaus Dona. Should keep you busy for a while:-)
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To understand the scope of corruption in this area of research you are embarked you might consider also investigating the Phaitos Disk which has depictions of glyphs on both sides. The world of experts hve esposed a junket of nonsense to describe this and its origination.
Well, as you are a woman, I state now the Phaitos disk is nothing more than a dinner/banquet planner. It is read from the middlle outwards for clearly two types of menus I would guess. Have a look at it, see what you come up with.
(By the way it was not written by aliens I wouldn't have thought, as they would have brought their own space rations as others would have us believe).

I really don't think you came off conceited enough... More snark next time, and maybe jack that horse up higher.

*Sarcasm...sigh...eyeroll.

[Citizen No2]

Ewan wrote:


I also found it quite disturbing that LMH veered so sharply away from the subject of human mutilation but I wouldn't, as a consequence, disregard anything she has to say because of that. It is possible, for example, that the topic of human mutilation is just a topic that she just can't even face the possibility of and subsequently disregards as a defence mechanism.

True Ewan, true, but I beg to differ. It is also possible that Linda has come up against a wall..... "you shall pass no further, you shall not talk of such thing's"....... But with that I am in the land of guesswork. Her comment's on the Brazilian case of HM were dis-ingenuous at best, mis-direction at worst.

The symbols on the i-beam from the Santilli video spell out V-I-D-E-O. That is some co-incidence, maybe just a quirk of 'Alien' humour. For people new to this, do a little research on Ray Santilli to start getting a bit more perspective of this case. What ever did happen to Ray Santilli, the guy that brought to light some of the most important video known to mankind?

As ever with these things, The more I research, the more questions' I'm left with.


Regards.

[Bill Ryan]

Ewan wrote:


I also found it quite disturbing that LMH veered so sharply away from the subject of human mutilation but I wouldn't, as a consequence, disregard anything she has to say because of that. It is possible, for example, that the topic of human mutilation is just a topic that she just can't even face the possibility of and subsequently disregards as a defence mechanism.True Ewan, true, but I beg to differ. It is also possible that Linda has come up against a wall..... "you shall pass no further, you shall not talk of such thing's"....... But with that I am in the land of guesswork. Her comment's on the Brazilian case of HM were dis-ingenuous at best, mis-direction at worst.

The symbols on the i-beam from the Santilli video spell out V-I-D-E-O. That is some co-incidence, maybe just a quirk of 'Alien' humour. For people new to this, do a little research on Ray Santilli to start getting a bit more perspective of this case. What ever did happen to Ray Santilli, the guy that brought to light some of the most important video known to mankind?



Hi, All — various comments here, if they may be helpful or interesting. Just bulletpoints... it's all fascinating, but some of this is off-topic on this thread. (Do feel free to start new ones for more extensive discussion that's nothing to do with exolinguistics.)



It's true that Linda Howe hasn't focused much on human mutilation, but as best I know there haven't been many cases — and she's hardly alone in not having said much about the subject. Almost no-one has. It has to be possible — though I've seen or heard no evidence of this — that some high-level researchers have been warned off. For a little more on this, see the interesting (and possibly important) thread: UFO Hunters TV show was getting close to the truth, then the show was axed (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89378-UFO-Hunters-TV-show-was-getting-close-to-the-truth-then-the-show-was-axed).




Her comments on the Brazilian case of HM were dis-ingenuous at best, mis-direction at worst.For reference, this is this case: http://alienvideo.net/0805/alien-abduction-mutilation.php, which was a very disturbing one. Logically, human mutilations have to be a very real possibility. One of the many reasons Majestic might have for a non-disclosure policy. How do you explain that to the public?




The symbols on the i-beam from the Santilli video spell out V-I-D-E-ODepends on which way up you hold it (or look at it). :) And besides, there were two beams, not one. (Did the other one spell AUDIO? No, it didn't!) The problem here is always going to be Pareidolia (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/pareidolia) — a fancy name for thinking that we see meaning, or familiar shapes or letters, in otherwise meaningless images. In my strong personal opinion, it's almost completely improbable that the glyphs are related to any human language. More likely, something like the ET version of this: :)

http://mlv-s1-p.mlstatic.com/313901-MLV20431073251_092015-O.jpg



The Santilli video definitely needs its own thread. The briefest comment:

As best I know, Ray Santilli, who badly mismanaged the entire thing from beginning to end, recreated much (but not all) of the footage from genuine original reels most of which were too badly decomposed to use. I have lengthy correspondence with someone, who I never met but trusted, who himself said he had spoken personally with the 1947 cameraman, whose name was Jack and who at that time (mid-2000s) was very elderly and lived in Florida. I believe he was 90-something years old, and has since passed.

My correspondent was 100% convinced the original film was real. Most significantly, a number of whistleblower witnesses have reported over the years that they had been shown something that was very similar indeed to the Santilli film in classified military briefings in the 1950s and 60s — beings that looked just like that, with 6 fingers and toes, that did NOT resemble the image we all have of 'classical Greys'... who appear to be a different type of being, at least anatomically. We have to remember that there were a number of crash retrievals in that time period: not just Roswell, by any means.



I'll respond with a few views and observations about CARET (which IS on-topic!) soon.


:focus:

[Olam]

Thanks Bill for this amazing thread!
I have to say, after working with a shaman lady for a few years, she gave me parting gifts, a personal ancient hebrew song that my whole body resonates when I sing it, but she also gave me an alien script like message. She mentioned it was for me but never said what was the message. The script does look like some of the stuff posted here..
I have been searching for the meaning of this for many years!
Since its a personal message, I don't want to post it in public, but I could send as a PM to trusted members if it can help..

[Bill Ryan]

I'll respond with a few views and observations about CARET (which IS on-topic!) soon.



Okay. I'll respond as concisely as I can. This is because Citizen No2, whose opinions about anything should be respected (and certainly are by me), said here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89661-Exolinguistics-alien-languages-the-work-of-Nancy-du-Tertre&p=1056273&viewfull=1#post1056273) (post #25):


CARET......... really?

I apologise. I could well be exposing my utter ignorance here. I thought this case had been picked to bits, to the nth degree, and was found to be lacking....... including the pristinely packaged documentation (that include many errors, untruths and mistakes), and absolutely perfect photographs of the drones of course. I was of the belief that this whole episode was rolled-out, move for move, like a well organised, tactical, marketing campaign. Did anyone ever get to the bottom of who, exactly, Issac was?

I am genuinely asking for some clarification here. Honestly, I would love to be privy to more information that would turn my belief of this case into something I could believe in, because as it stands at the minute, in my mind, just telling people, "yes, this is real", does not cut it.

Why is this case real?

Various bulletpoints, in no special order:



First, it was debunked/rejected by MUFON. Their analysis is here, as a downloadable PowerPoint presentation:
http://mufon.com/documents/Drones-CARET.ppt (http://mufon.com/documents/Drones-CARET.ppt)

My own comment on this is that there was extensive internet debate about this when all this first surfaced, back in 2007. Many felt it was a hoax, and a number of image specialists said the images were CGI. But not all agreed, by any means.



It was showcased (and investigated) in S01E07 (Series 1, Episode 7) of UFO Hunters. The episode, which though typically dramatized is really very interesting, can be downloaded here (350 Mb, available for 7 days till 5 April):
http://we.tl/Y9Bxczv6w4 (http://we.tl/Y9Bxczv6w4)

Their conclusion — not to be scoffed at, despite the style of the show — was that it might be CGI, but this was inconclusive.



There are a number of links to the source information in my post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89661-Exolinguistics-alien-languages-the-work-of-Nancy-du-Tertre&p=1056108&viewfull=1#post1056108) on this thread (#6).



There are three separate Avalon threads about it already (just looked! :) )
— "CARET" Documents (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?13334-CARET-Documents)
— CARET documents (Palo Alto) (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?67459-CARET-documents--Palo-Alto-)
— Crop Circle (June 26, 2010)/Drone UFO/CARET "Schematics" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?4357-Crop-Circle--June-26-2010--Drone-UFO-CARET-Schematics)



If it was a hoax, it was an extraordinarily elaborate one, involving many people, for no apparent gain. Besides the extensive detail in the documents (and elaborate photographs and images), there were many sightings over a wide geographical area.
http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section)











1 Original sightings (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Original_sightings)

1.1 Tahoe (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Tahoe)
1.2 Chad (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Chad)
1.3 Rajinder Satyanarayana (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Rajinder_Satyanarayana)
1.4 Stephen (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Stephen)
1.5 Ty (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Ty)
1.6 Isaac (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Isaac)


2 Supplemental sightings (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Supplemental_sightings)

2.1 Birmingham (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Birmingham)
2.2 Shirley (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Shirley)
2.3 Ned White (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Ned_White)
2.4 Ted Connors (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Ted_Connors)
2.5 Barksdale AFB (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Barksdale_AFB)
2.6 Yosemite (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Yosemite)
2.7 Melody (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Melody)
2.8 Brent (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Brent)
2.9 Hendersonville TN (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Hendersonville_TN)
2.10 Tomball TX (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Tomball_TX)
2.11 Ohio (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Ohio)
2.12 X NSA Security (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#X_NSA_Security)


3 Similar Sightings (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Similar_Sightings)

3.1 Italy (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Italy)
3.2 Sperm shaped (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Sperm_shaped)
3.3 Crab shaped (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Crab_shaped)
3.4 Cam - Scott's Valley (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Cam_-_Scott.27s_Valley)
3.5 Indiana (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Indiana)
3.6 Elizabethton TN (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Elizabethton_TN)
3.7 Chicago IL (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Chicago_IL)
3.8 Tewkesbury UK (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Tewkesbury_UK)
3.9 Historical Reports and Citations from Books (http://droneteam.com/mediawiki/index.php/History_section#Historical_Reports_and_Citations_f rom_Books)













Finally, Linda Howe, who endorses the story in this video (do watch this — it's a fascinating presentation) is no mug. She had extensive personal correspondence with 'Isaac' back in 2007, which I believe is available in the members (subscription) section of her website, Earthfiles.com (http://Earthfiles.com). I don't have the details of how much of this has been published.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPAU6-OMNFM

[Citizen No2]

Thank you for taking the time to start a response Bill.

I can't work this case out at all, still, after all this time. None of it conforms to one, linear story. It is certainly not all true, the documents tell their own story that is full of holes. The independent sightings tell a very different story, that independent witnesses' witnessed these drones. It is when you put all the pieces together that you get a story that does not gel. I don't get it.

The Palo Alto documents......... these are an enigma. The time that has been put into producing those drawings alone, never mind the expense, must have been huge, but they don't add up. The front cover is wrong, the fact that they are 4th quarter, 1986, yet the info contained enables a complete novice to read them and have a full understanding of what the CARET programme is all about....... and these are meant to be 4th Quarter? They have been redacted, yet there is no security classification...... Redacted by whom? The list could go on and on.

I think a better statement of my understanding is: It is not all true, but then again, it is not all fantasy. I think I'll have to move this one from the 'hoax' shelf, to the 'not sure' shelf.

Bill wrote:
I'll respond as concisely as I can. This is because Citizen No2, whose opinions about anything should be respected (and certainly are by me)

That is very kind of you to say Bill, but quite unnecessary. I do not need my opinions to be respected, because, after all, they are just my opinions.

I appreciate you taking the time to address my questions.


Regards.

P.S. I hold not-a-lot of faith in MUFON, as an organisation. Not the researcher's, the organisation. It seems to me that MUFON play a very important role for a very important group. Who was it that said, "the lie is different at every level" ?

[nomadguy]

Jumping in a little late here but here is a series of interviews of Nancy Du Terte with Jefferey Mishlove in his "New Thinking Allowed" series that he has just reestablished within the past 6 months.
r5BijzAOxG8
F4XCGJoyagU
_TNXudnStMU
fEkwBwgeab4
:yo:

[Nancy du Tertre]

Jumping in a little late here but here is a series of interviews of Nancy Du Terte with Jefferey Mishlove in his "New Thinking Allowed" series that he has just reestablished within the past 6 months.
r5BijzAOxG8
F4XCGJoyagU
_TNXudnStMU
fEkwBwgeab4
:yo:

Ah!! You found me!! I wasn't quite expecting that... :D

[Nancy du Tertre]

I also would like to say that in that series I did with Jeff Mishlove, I was very surprised, honored and humbled when, half way through the series, he had a sudden change of heart and decided, for the first time in decades, to speak publicly again about his own research about a man named Ted Owens who apparently had extraordinary PK abilities and was also communicating with aliens. We had a pretty far-ranging discussion from psychic abilities, to psychic detective work, to alien communication.
Nancy du Tertre

[Bill Ryan]

I also would like to say that in that series I did with Jeff Mishlove, I was very surprised, honored and humbled when, half way through the series, he had a sudden change of heart and decided, for the first time in decades, to speak publicly again about his own research about a man named Ted Owens who apparently had extraordinary PK abilities and was also communicating with aliens. We had a pretty far-ranging discussion from psychic abilities, to psychic detective work, to alien communication.
Nancy du Tertre

Yes. Ted Owens' story is most, most remarkable. There's an Avalon thread about him here:

Exceptional psychic abilities in exceptional people (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?64028-Exceptional-psychic-abilities-in-exceptional-people)

...and the book about him is here: (highly recommended by me)

http://projectavalon.net/The_PK_Man_Jeffrey_Mishlove.pdf

http://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1347626190l/982069.jpg

[Nancy du Tertre]

Thanks Bill for this amazing thread!
I have to say, after working with a shaman lady for a few years, she gave me parting gifts, a personal ancient hebrew song that my whole body resonates when I sing it, but she also gave me an alien script like message. She mentioned it was for me but never said what was the message. The script does look like some of the stuff posted here..
I have been searching for the meaning of this for many years!
Since its a personal message, I don't want to post it in public, but I could send as a PM to trusted members if it can help..

Hi Olam, sorry if I haven't quite figured out the correct reply protocols, but I saw your post and I wanted to let you know that I would be very interested in seeing a copy of the script message. I have been putting together a worldwide database of language and speech samples. In the work I am doing to study exolinguistics, I have created a new approach which is a kind of comparative linguistics approach using actual artifacts, recollections of alien script, and channeled speech or writing. What I am now finding is that there are some very interesting cross-correlations and ultimately that is how we will begin to build a Rosetta Stone for alien languages. Many of these alleged alien languages bear a striking similarity to some of the Paleo-Hebrew languages... so your comment doesn't surprise me. Best, Nancy du Tertre

[Olam]

Thanks Bill for this amazing thread!
I have to say, after working with a shaman lady for a few years, she gave me parting gifts, a personal ancient hebrew song that my whole body resonates when I sing it, but she also gave me an alien script like message. She mentioned it was for me but never said what was the message. The script does look like some of the stuff posted here..
I have been searching for the meaning of this for many years!
Since its a personal message, I don't want to post it in public, but I could send as a PM to trusted members if it can help..

Hi Olam, sorry if I haven't quite figured out the correct reply protocols, but I saw your post and I wanted to let you know that I would be very interested in seeing a copy of the script message. I have been putting together a worldwide database of language and speech samples. In the work I am doing to study exolinguistics, I have created a new approach which is a kind of comparative linguistics approach using actual artifacts, recollections of alien script, and channeled speech or writing. What I am now finding is that there are some very interesting cross-correlations and ultimately that is how we will begin to build a Rosetta Stone for alien languages. Many of these alleged alien languages bear a striking similarity to some of the Paleo-Hebrew languages... so your comment doesn't surprise me. Best, Nancy du Tertre

Awsome Nancy !
I just sent you a picture of the message via PM ...
thanks for your time on this!

[Mutchie]

Hello Nancy i hope you enjoy the forum the conversations are interesting & the topics certainly vary i wanted to ask YOU what you think of all this talk of FALLEN ANGELS that was mentioned in your video i just watched its a very popular topic... I have read the story from the book of enoch which was very interesting i thought but then i heard LA MARZULLI and i realised these Christians believe the fallen are the Aliens of old and they are convinced they are DEMONIC ... he has this theory about the high technology boom the human race has seen over the last 100 years he believes we were helped and it makes you wander ... What do you think surely Alien humanoids could exist without being demonic ?... x.

[Bill Ryan]

surely Alien humanoids could exist without being demonic ?

Yes, of course. Marzulli's standpoint is a fundamentalist Christian one. But like you, I'd also welcome Nancy's view! :sun:

[Nancy du Tertre]

Thank you for taking the time to start a response Bill.

I can't work this case out at all, still, after all this time. None of it conforms to one, linear story. It is certainly not all true, the documents tell their own story that is full of holes. The independent sightings tell a very different story, that independent witnesses' witnessed these drones. It is when you put all the pieces together that you get a story that does not gel. I don't get it.

The Palo Alto documents......... these are an enigma. The time that has been put into producing those drawings alone, never mind the expense, must have been huge, but they don't add up. The front cover is wrong, the fact that they are 4th quarter, 1986, yet the info contained enables a complete novice to read them and have a full understanding of what the CARET programme is all about....... and these are meant to be 4th Quarter? They have been redacted, yet there is no security classification...... Redacted by whom? The list could go on and on.

I think a better statement of my understanding is: It is not all true, but then again, it is not all fantasy. I think I'll have to move this one from the 'hoax' shelf, to the 'not sure' shelf.

Bill wrote:
I'll respond as concisely as I can. This is because Citizen No2, whose opinions about anything should be respected (and certainly are by me)

That is very kind of you to say Bill, but quite unnecessary. I do not need my opinions to be respected, because, after all, they are just my opinions.

I appreciate you taking the time to address my questions.


Regards.

P.S. I hold not-a-lot of faith in MUFON, as an organisation. Not the researcher's, the organisation. It seems to me that MUFON play a very important role for a very important group. Who was it that said, "the lie is different at every level" ?

Hello Citizen No2, if Bill holds you in high esteem, then so do I! :D I happen to know a lot of the folks at MUFON and fully appreciate that while the organization is loaded with talent and sincere interest in pursuing the truth, it is also infiltrated. As such, the organization has a variety of goals. It's kind of like if you work in the construction business in New York City, or certain other industries, it is absolutely inevitable that you will have to deal with the Mob at one point or another in your career. It's a given. This doesn't mean you can't conduct business, it just means you understand certain things about how business works. This said, I still believe MUFON's objectives actually work effectively for a number of disparate goals.

Now, as for the CARET documents, I actually received them from a source in another country who, I believe, received them directly from someone in that organization. He has told me the documents are "real." He is highly protective of his source. Could they have been fraudulently manufactured and distributed? Yes of course, but as you accurately point out, someone would have had to have gone to a huge expense with some byzantine rationale for trying to throw the public "off the trail" by exposing us to these drawings and technologies. Why fabricate this story? What purpose would that serve? Such a rationale would have to be hideously convoluted in terms of what it would hope to accomplish. If anything, I think these documents suggest/confirm in no uncertain terms that 1) we are in possession of alien technology, 2) these technologies have been distributed to at least one private enterprise and 3) this confirms certain unusual and strange aspects of these technologies. Clearly, this kind of marketing/propoganda, if that's what it is, would be quite different from the idea of documents intended to mislead about the existence of MJ 12. Yes, of course, it could be intended to put researchers on a wild goose chase. Maybe it is intended, like so many Hollywood movies, to warm up the public to the idea of human-alien realities. Or perhaps, in a more Machiavellian vein, it could be intended to have researchers solve part of the mystery (for free and on their dime) for TPTB. Your gut sense is that it was a tactical marketing campaign since the documents, you say, contain errors, the cover is "all wrong," that the entire program is spelled out in a 4th quarter report, redacted by an anonymous person, and no security classification. Would a private company have a security classification like the military? I don't know the answer to this, but it's not obvious to me. Would a source-leak attempt to leak some info while maintaining confidentiality on other more dark or sensitive aspects of the program and maintain his/her anonymity while leaking? To me it seems plausible. While I understand that normally the 4th quarter report would be limited to a more concise statement of earnings for the last three months and not dedicated to a full-blown history of the program, this document states it is a "Research Report." The document states that it is "intended as a primer on the tentative findings of the Q4 1986 research phase (referred to herein as "Q4-86)" which suggests it is not a typical financial quarterly report at all and therefore it is not surprising that the info would "enable a complete novice" to get a grasp of the overall program. Further, the document states that it is focused on "extraction" or "the process of converting raw artifacts of extraterrestrial origin to usable, full-documented human technology" which it states hasn't yet been achieved but that a "comprehensive documentation of PACL's extraction process can be found in document PACL-D0006, entitled "PACL Extraction Procedure Guide." Thus, this is clearly the "basic" document with the overview to which other more specific research documents are linked. I think the document is intriguing and the alien "writing" is also quite fascinating. I am working on some possible ways to interpret it. I think the drawings are also fascinating because they seem to indicate interrelated mechanical functioning of quantum fields and they appear to be quite well organized in terms of possible functionality. So I am (perhaps mistakenly, who knows?) more optimistic about their authenticity...
Best,
Nancy du Tertre

[Nancy du Tertre]

I get into a little discussion about aliens versus angels/demons in my book. The quick answer is if you look back to the old Greek definition of a "demon" : "a supernatural being of Greek mythology intermediate between gods and men" - it did not originally refer to the "evil" element. I believe that over the centuries, certain quasi-gods like Hermes, who became intermediaries and sometimes tricksters, gave a bad name to "demons" and the word eventually evolved into a more Christian caste of evil spirits or minions of the Devil. I know several exorcists and demonologists. I was very surprised to discover that "demonology" means the systematic study of supernatural beings who are not gods. It does not mean the study of evil spirits. OK, with those definitions in hand, doesn't it seem infinitely logical that aliens (who are neither human nor God) would qualify under this definition? Does that mean they are "demonic" and evil in the modern sense of the word? No. Also, if you look at the definition of an "angel" - a spiritual being believed to act as an attendant, agent, or messenger of God - they are clearly neither human nor God. So it would appear angels fall under the same definition as demons - and so do aliens.

[Sequoia]

DRONE - STRANGE CRAFT musicvideo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZTtoIH9RLw

PS Samples taken from the earthfiles podcasts by Linda Moulton Howe :)

[Pharos]

Greetings everyone.. This is a first post.

I recently listened to a podcast from Natalie Gray [thegrayescape], that might bring some valuable insight to this discussion:
Natalie Gray interviews John Stuart Reid who is a scientist researching acoustics. He has developed a scientific instrument, the "Cymascope" that makes sound visible.

In the podcast he speaks of an experiment he conducted in the Kings Chamber of the great pyramid, where the Cymascope was able to register patterns that resemble hieroglyphs when the tomb was tapped.

One could possibly extrapolate and consider the possibility that a "language of the birds", a term dear to alchemist throughout the ages, is embedded in the acoustic properties of matter itself. There would therefore be a scientific basis for the universality of certain patterns or symbols. If this is so, the implications are staggering. This would mean a verifiable and direct link to the earliest glyphs mankind has produced and a pathway to understanding how and why symbols affect the mind.
I would love to hear Nancy's thoughts about this! The entire podcast is well worth the listen!

http://thegrayescape.com/podcast/ep-35-cymatics

[BMJ]

In post 1, 29 minutes into the presentation Nancy shows a image of the venusian woman she looks very similiar to Dolores Barrios whom claimed she was also from venus.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2f3a60e5d212.jpg

Link: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread554264/pg1

Also in regards to telepathy in the human language I would agree it is posssible. The language comes threw crystal clear and is as spoken in english regardless of whether spoken to a human or animal such as a dog or bird.

[giovonni]

her latest interview ...

How to Talk to an Alien - Nancy Du Tertre - Documented Contact - Latest Intel

Leak Project



Self coined The Skeptical Psychic™. Nancy advocates a new approach to psychic ability that combines intuitive imaging with rational feedback. She calsl this "TSP" - a form of tested ESP and clairvoyance.

I am going to read an excerpt from Nancy's website http://www.theskepticalpsychic.com/

"What is TSP?" It is a concept of combining our intuition with our inner vision in order to access information about ourselves and our world that would otherwise remain invisible and matched against our verifiable reality. You don't need to believe. You just need to trust. Call it "suspended disbelief" if you like! There is a link between our minds and the world around us which is vaster and richer than we could have ever imagined. Our human organism is a finely tuned instrument which is capable of things beyond our wildest dreams. But this kind of information must be distinguished from pure fantasy. It must be verified.

Learn how to talk to an Extra Terrestrial and improve your psychic intuition.

Published on May 14, 2016


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MznWhzNYUh0&feature=em-uploademail

[Nancy du Tertre]

Giovanni, wow! You are definitely up to date! I'm impressed! Thanks for posting this... I literally just got around to putting this up on my website www.theskepticalpsychic.com. As always, I welcome any comments/questions. Best, Nancy

[Hazelfern]

Just finished Nancy's presentation and very much liked it. Her style of delivering her work was pleasant, and warm...she seems like a pretty cool chick....

Really interesting and fascinating stuff, presented in a neat and tidy way ...I walked away with more knowlege, more questions, and a new girl crush :)

' You're a corker Shannon. What a corker you are.' :ROFL:

I'm just catching up with this thread. I caught the podcast on Leak Project and was inspired. Thanks Nancy!

[EFO]

Dear Mrs. du Tertre,

I watched your entire presentation on MUFON and you didn't have enough time to present all 10 ways alien communicate with us.Beside that your entire,but tremendous short,presentation which became one of my favorite,I'm very interesting to hear your opinion regarding the 9 way of alien communication - UFO spacecraft responses.I'm asking you that because it is possible that some members of Avalon forum to have such experiences.Being new on this forum,I discovered user mojo who have such an experience,and perhaps other,as well a me and my wife during time.
Please see our posts nr. 2,3 and 4 from http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90920-video-helps-in-recalling-the-close-encounter-in-2011&p=1071190#post1071190 .

On the other hand,perhaps you are familiar with Mike Oram's experience and his symbols and perhaps you can tell me/us also if you have any clues what those symbols represent.With early tech support of user RunningDeer you can find his presentation on my thread Plasma entities (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?90770-Plasma-entities) post nr.4

Many thanks in advance for your reply,effort and time.
Sincerely,
Adrian

[Nancy du Tertre]

Hi Adian a/k/a EFO,
Sorry it has taken me so long to respond to this thread - due to very busy schedule and also I needed to go back and research some of the threads you mentioned. So, having done that, I feel I can properly respond. First, thanks very much for your very nice compliment about my MUFON presentation. I can tell you that it has been an interesting journey into the public spotlight and I think I finally now understand what politicians must feel like when they are evaluated and snap-judged by people who listen with selective hearing or special interests. It's been quite an education. Anyway, as for the UFO spacecraft responses goes, I see from your previous posts that you have a pattern of light signals that you have used for three years and that many of the UFOs have responded with two sets of flashes back to you from a distance of 450 feet. I know that many people have been able to get UFOs to respond using this kind of light flash communication. I can tell you that I have experienced it myself. I was giving a presentation in Maine in 2014 and a bunch of us decided to try to contact a UFO using a large spot light as we stood in the freezing cold for 2 1/2 hours next to a lake. There was a full moon that night over the lake. Most people got bored and went to bed, but about 8 people stayed on the beach. We flashed this spot light up into the sky every once in a while and we all meditated on trying to make peaceful contact. Then very suddenly in the opposite side of the sky from the full moon, but higher up in the sky closer to a one o'clock position, there was an absolutely enormous flash of light from something that appeared to be very distant - outside our earth's atmosphere. This giant flash of white light looked like an explosion of a star. If you compared it to the size of the full moon, it was about 1/5 to 1/4 the size of the full moon!! Huge! We all gasped. Then the sky became black again and there was nothing there. I believe that was a UFO responding both to our spot light and to our group meditation. The CE-5 groups using Dr. Steven Greer's methods have been doing this for a long time. I am friends with Dr. Joe Burkes, who used to be one of Dr. Greer's top people, who used to go out into the deserts in California with a Russian friend of his, and he told me many stories of using this flashlight + meditation method to get UFOs to flash their lights in response. In terms of what actually can be "communicated" using this method of light flashes, beyond the obvious statement of "hello are you there?" "Yes I'm here and I see you and I acknowledge you" "Good bye now" "See you again", I'm not sure what can be done unless you can establish a regular rendez-vous location with a UFO craft where you can begin to establish a basic "language" of flashing lights perhaps like a Morse Code or binary code system. That would be a very interesting experiment.

As far as Mike Oram's work goes, I am very grateful to you for introducing me to his work. I was not familiar with it before. In fact, his symbols are of great interest to me because many of them are variations on other symbols that I have seen. His are clearly of what the psychiatrist Dr. Mario Pazzaglini would call the "Dot and Line" style of alien writing. In listening to his presentation, it is clear he has been dealing with a number of different types of visitors and so that makes my job more difficult, since I don't know which race of aliens the writing belongs to - the good looking light brothers, the grays, or others. I guess I need to get his book and see if I can sort it out. My sense of the symbols is that they are indeed not just phonetic or pictographic, but rather they are densely weighted symbols - contactees often describe them as being multi-dimensional and my personal experience suggests to me that they also embody "momentum" or "movement" - and so my goal continues to be to collect enough of them from enough people (hopefully who have some sense of their meanings) to try and cross-compare them so we, the human species, can begin to understand them. If you know of anyone in Romania who has such writings I would be very interested in seeing them!

All the best,
Nancy

[EFO]

Dear Mrs. du Tertre,

Many thanks for your kind and very detailed reply.I also thank you for your time.

You shouldn't have to thank me because was my sincerely opinion regarding your lecture at MUFON and I didn't know before that someone is making research over extraterrestrial writing/s / "symbols" and it was a very pleasant and interesting/amazing experience watching your lecture.

Regarding your particular experience described after CE-5 meditation technique followed by a that big flash as you describe it like a star explosion having a 1/5-1/4 size of the moon,I can only presume what was your feeling/s in that moment.I said I presume,because I also know that feeling when "they" flash us/me with or without any particular reason and here is an entire discussion about this subject of which I'll not develop it here further and is not thread's topic.I'm aware of the entire Dr. Greer's work and I just discover you and I can say that your work have the same importance as not only Dr. Greer's work but as well as others as late Dr. Leir or Dr. Hopkins,Dr. Friedman,Dr. Burkes and so many others of which I'm sure that they have their own experiences regarding extraterrestrial phenomenon.

Regarding Mike Oram's encounter/story,I stumbled up his presentation search materials about my orbs and plasma entities.What has attract me to watch his presentation was the title "Does it rain in other dimensions?".What as simple question with a simple subject.Does it really rain,or snow or anything else of which here on this dimension/Earth look so simple?

Regarding your statement:

I'm not sure what can be done unless you can establish a regular rendez-vous location with a UFO craft where you can begin to establish a basic "language" of flashing lights perhaps like a Morse Code or binary code system. That would be a very interesting experiment.

I can develop this subject but not on public.Therefor if you're agree I can send you an email regarding this issue because is more than personal,if I can say that.

Regarding:

I see from your previous posts that you have a pattern of light signals that you have used for three years and that many of the UFOs have responded with two sets of flashes back to you from a distance of 450 feet.
perhaps I didn't made myself clearly understandable and please accept my apologize for that.Yes, I use a pattern of light signals,but not many EFOs have replayed back with a set of two flashes.This EFO has replayed back with this set of two flashes on the evening of 26 May 2016.The same EFO came back on the evening of 28 May 2016 on a same,but closer,flight path of about 100 meters (300 feet) and he didn't respond to my (as I learn to flash him back) one set of two flash light,instead of my usual pattern. :) My question,was after the EFO was gone from my sight,does he told us that he will came back after two days? and the my reply came instantly as simple as can be:yes.And that was all.

Ragarding your request of knowing someone in Romania who have such writings,there is a Romanian organisation "ASFAN" which could have something related to your work.
http://www.asfan.ro/english.htm
http://www.asfanufo.ro/index.php/2014-02-11-09-17-36

If you are interested I can assist you.On the other hand there is an other Romanian Mr. Ilie Pandia (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?998-Ilie-Pandia) which could know something about your request.

I wish you a good week start and we stay in touch.
Yours sincerely,
Adrian

[EFO]

For those who are not familiar with Dr. Burkes previously mentioned by Mrs. du Tertre:
Enjoy :)
part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7rqbF-4Dro

part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA9IvpA2edQ

[Nancy du Tertre]

Adrian,
I took a quick look at the two websites you referenced - thank you again!! I didn't see anything specifically related to alien communication (although admittedly I looked at them pretty fast). But I may be able to contact them and ask them if they have any information. As for Ilie Pandia, I see he is also a Project Avalon member and Romanian, perhaps you could ask him if he might have any interesting leads about alien communication on my behalf? As for your personal flash light pattern techniques, yes, by all means, please we can talk via email - ndt@theskepticalpsychic.com. And, as for all your other nice comments, wow! (p.s. Stan Friedman in fact wrote the foreword for my book "How To Talk to an Alien").
Nancy

[EFO]

Dear Mrs. du Tertre,

I thank you for your kind reply and I'll contact and ask Mr. Pandia in your behalf regarding your request.Regarding Dr. Friedman - wow - you truly amazed my with this news!I think that he made a very powerful foreword to your new book.

Regarding extraterrestrial communication,a few years ago I saw on internet a Romanian web site which I look for it from two days now and I didn't find it yet,where was presented some symbols imprinted in stone.During these two days I only found some pictures possible copied from that site which have more than the following picture with this symbol which for me resemble with a Chinese or Japanese one.https://extraterestriiprintrenoi.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/st-33.jpg

I don't know what to say about this photo,perhaps will help,perhaps not.On the other hand also in the late years I also found this video containing underwater symbols found also in Romania on Bicaz lake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKoOt3KwJUM

At the end of the video the underwater rescuer is speaking that he presume that the symbols are from Pelasgian writing,a more than 10000 years old dead language spoken over Romanian territory and I add way before Thracians and Dacians.Perhaps these symbols also could help resembling or not with extraterrestrial languages.

During today - 08 June 2016 - I'll prepare and send you an email to provided address.Many thanks for your understanding.
I wish you a pleasant rest of day and we stay in touch.
Sincerely,
Adrian

[Star Tsar]

Dr J Radio

Nancy Du Tertre - How To Talk To An Alien

Published 17th August 2016

Nancy Du Tertre The Skeptical Physhic joins Dr J to discuss her latest book How To Talk To An Alien.

Program notes here:http://drjradiolive.com/08-16-2016-nancy-du-tertre-the-skeptical-psychic/

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