Who God is and what we are.

[picloud]

Here is my attempt to provoke some enlightenment and perhaps maybe at least spark some questions about who is God? I spoke with various entities today in my meditation, two of them being Jesus Christ and the Buddha. Here is what I learned from them, through visiting them on the Astral Plane in an Out of Body Experience. It might be worth mentioning that Jesus lead me to Buddha for me to truly grasp what he was trying to tell me, in a way only Buddha could explain. Jesus loves his metaphors And parables of course, but I like the more direct, straight to the point approach. Anyway, enjoy the journey I'm gonna take your mind through... Keep an open mind.

Our God is Nature. Everything here in this 3rd dimension is of his/her imagination, and you are part of his/her dream. The dreams create life by imagination. There are 3 others, or other Gods. They are dreaming up the other 3 dimensions (4th, 5th and 6th). The 7th dimension is the Ultimate Realityy, in which the Gods reside. They are creating us through their imagination. They can live seperately from their creations, as a unified being broken off from a piece of the God's consciousness.

All creation by our God's imagination arrives at the 3rd dimension, and also acts like a common playground for all 4 Gods. Our God (take a deep breath!) is known sometimes and by some as Satan. Jesus was Satan in the flesh, experiencing his dream and creation first hand. The Fallen Angel, Satan, fell from the 7th plane to come down into his own nightmare, to try fix things himself, to reason with himself, against the advice of the other 3 (they didn't want him to suffer, they had another way to help mankind). Satan as a "young God" is prone to "bad thoughts", he/she is the newest edition to the family of 4. The other 3 are intervening now as ETs from other dimensions or other universes in the 3rd dimension. Those from other dimensions are the other Gods' imagination manifested, and some seek out to help Satan awake from his nightmare by closing the loop of rebirth and teaching mankind to become enlightened. Those from the third dimension are either Satan's thoughts manifested into forms of life or the telepathic thoughts manifested into being from the other 3 Gods who are here to heal us and are a part of God (Satan/Nature). They are our family. They are our High Angels (or simply, Gods). Satan is one such High Angel, who as mentioned, is new to Ultimate Reality (7th dimension) and will as Nature intends, regulate his/herself to restore balance. Satan speaks musically and poetically in parables and uses symbols as he/she likes to keep complicated matters into little compartments that can be represented by symbolism and metaphor as well as math which gives birth to science and all laws of Nature. This is why each receives their own perspective of God. Some see God as many, some as one, and some more interestingly don't see a god at all, rather they see God's true self: pure love and often in the form of "place" or state of "being". God is thus a sort of shapeshifter, transforming and forming through his/her imagination, manifesting constantly. Out of control. Our "young" God is learning how to regain control over the chaos that came with the third dimension, with Satan's very own being in existence.

Originally there was one True God, always I should say, who split into two, then the two split again. Each God is pure love born of consciousness that is eternal. Consciousness that created the 4 Gods through its own imagination. This consciousness is the Alpha and Omega. One of the four Gods, (Satan/Gaia/Nature/etc, all the same God) gave his/her creations free will, and so "evil" was born with the ability to stray from God's plan. The other 3 know to not do this, rather design for their creations a path through life that is one with their design/plan which brings peace and endless love. Satan gave us free will so that we can all be Gods, bringing our imagination into being, but so that it is distinguishable and more rewarding, it is not instantaneous, it must follow the laws of time and natural processes and must come from love, so that it can be an escape from heaven. It must be different. And so the "too smart for his/her own good" Satan thus successfully escaped or "fell" from "heaven", to escape and allow his thoughts/creations to live like Gods, unwittingly causing evil, creating a nightmare in which the other 3 Gods are helping him/her through, as it is a natural process of being. We as humans thus begin with Nature, die, return to our God enlightened (eventually), slowly piece him/her back together and purify him/her, we all wake up together and are rejoined with our family of 4. When we are all together again, we can do as we please. Everything is possible. And everything is good, now that we are pure. Now that I am pure. As we and I are the same.

The trinity in Christianity for example, is a metaphor for this consciousness' interlaced features. The father, speaking from it being the origin of all things as consciousness. The son, being pure love born of consciousness and came into being to become Other to be objective and "love God/itself", and the holy spirit, being the power of the original consciousness that is imagination and free will, so that God's love is able to be free and take its own path, to or from God so that God knows true love. The trick is that there was never a timeline, no past no future, just a perfect circle of self, that creates other, that moves through the cycle, to become self, that will create other, that will continue on for eternity. So we as humans are the lucky ones. When this life is over we return to our God as an individual and unique being. We exist as a memory, and as we are remembered we remain as individuals. Otherwise we are absorbed by the greater consciousness. Once we are enlightened, and follow the path to God, we enter heaven - the 7th plane, among the 4 Gods and do as they do, create our own reality - however we do not create new life, that is not possible until Satan is restored to his/her pure state. Satan in the 7th dimension is aware that he/she is dreaming. We as humans are born unaware that we are the dream, this is one fundamental difference between us.

The self effort exerted through free will to find our God is the point of existence - to test this True Love, to see if in the absence of a God (or the apparent absence), humans (fragments of God) will want to return to God him/herself. The question is: IS OUR LOVE REAL? And we learn what love is about in this 3rd dimension, then, we enter Love itself. And so here we are. Little imaginary beings living in an imaginary world by an imaginary God dreaming us into existence to prove that the love he/she was born from was true and to truly embrace his/her new life with the 3 others in a world of imagination, where anything is possible with us as eternal as long as single memory of our existence in this world remains. Welcome to existence. There's no more disappearing after you have emerged, you simply are, and so you should simply be. In life, love is the only thing that matters, first of yourself then of others, as above so below. It is not hard to reach enlightenment, just seek the truth of your Higher Self, who is the original thought of who you are when you first became, and the collection of all experiences, this life and others lived in the future and the past. Once you have found your Higher Self, they will guide you through all the steps you need to take. Trust in them and yourself, really. You as who you are today are one drop in the ocean of time, that spans past and future and happens all at once, and so I say that this is only one life, afterward we rejoin in death with our Higher Selves first at what seemed like only one turn of the wheel to connect ourselves to the sum of our experiences, learned in life so that we are like Gods, and then enter the 7th dimension of Ultimate Reality. Heaven. Nirvana. There we become one with our God Satan, but keep our memory of ourselves and so we live on through eternity.

And so 4 Gods split into the countless. All thoughts come into being through a God's dream. Hence our God's lesson is of self control, and to use his/her life giving power more responsibly, raising his/her new children (the next wave of beings once we've regrouped) in his/her light and love, no confusion, just unconditional, upfront and unyielding love. Life is thus a precious gift. A gift of free will. A gift of becoming a God. Life may seem cruel, but we all experience cruelty as a way of working through the nightmare together and to not let evil reside in our hearts, or others if possible. Good will conquer evil, it is Nature's way to restore balance, and so one way or another it will return us back to Earth or another planet in this dimension time and time again until there is a balance of stable energies, as represented by the chakras. Remember our God, speaks to us through metaphors and parables and symbols and music and imagination/creativity and intuition. Listen and look out for the forest beyond the tree. Peace & <3

PS: I hope people are open minded enough to realize the benevolence of the character Satan in our religious/historical pasttime and realise that he/she is infact Nature itself. I'm not devil worshipping, and nor was a woman who understood math a case of witchcraft in the Dark Ages. I hope the majority of us have moved on from those times.

[truthseekerdan]

Everything is I-Magi-Nation, and God = All That Is!

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[OMG]

One's power (conscious, unconscious, etc) is proportional to their connection to GOD...the greater the connection the greater the power...

[ZooLife]

God experiencing itself as everything.....wouldn't that be like saying God experiencing itself as a tadpole? God is not a tadpole but experiencing itself AS a tadpole.

Any great method actor will experience themselves as the role they are playing but that doesn't make them the role.

God is playing the role of everything but that doesn't make God everything.

[truthseekerdan]

God is playing the role of everything but that doesn't make God everything.

God is Imagining the role of everything, therefore that does make God everything or All That Is. 💜

[ZooLife]

God is playing the role of everything but that doesn't make God everything.

God is Imagining the role of everything, therefore that does make God everything or All That Is. 💜

One cannot take stand on all there is if one is all there is. One could imagine standing on another however then there would be two, the one and the imagined one.

There is no one in duality.

[picloud]

God is playing the role of everything but that doesn't make God everything.

God is Imagining the role of everything, therefore that does make God everything or All That Is. 💜

One cannot take stand on all there is if one is all there is. One could imagine standing on another however then there would be two, the one and the imagined one.

There is no one in duality.

I'm a little confused with your last post above... Especially when you say there is no one in duality. Can you rephrase or make it a bit clearer what you mean?

If you're referring to God as either one or all or nothing, God is the original consciousness from which all things are imagined and manifested into being, and God is split into 4 beings each born out of an aspect of God's self (ie. Love, Presence, Light and Logic - for arguments sake). We too have this ability, but it follows a process and the only language or thoughts the universe understands with intention behind it is love. Our role is persistence and patience when it comes to manifesting. So in our own way, we are God. We are unified by this or "one", but we are also "other" to make love possible. This "other" is our unique selves, imagined by God in Ultimate Reality and hence made "real" and not just imaginary. Remember imaginary doesn't mean not-real, imagination is a blue print, the universe and its consciousness is the engineer/builder and this imagination coming into life is a manifestation, or, the answer from the universe in response to your design (imagination) which came to be from a series of logical events - not magic - to enter your life as naturally as possible.

[loc333]

This is a beautiful post and should be what avalon is about. I believe in god but i have come to the conclusion no human mind not even the smartest person on earth can grasp or handle what god is.

[picloud]

God experiencing itself as everything.....wouldn't that be like saying God experiencing itself as a tadpole? God is not a tadpole but experiencing itself AS a tadpole.

Any great method actor will experience themselves as the role they are playing but that doesn't make them the role.

God is playing the role of everything but that doesn't make God everything.

God is playing the role of everything, God is everything. This is because you have to remember the difference between God and method actors, they reside differently and on different dimensional planes. If said actor was on the 7th plane with God, he would become the role he takes. In our 3rd dimension, it's not so instantaneous or transformational, we are bound by time, math/science laws and natures resources maybe. God operates on a higher level. The method actor, though part of God, is as mentioned bound by laws of nature and time. So anyway, God is every role, and every thing, able to isolate His own consciousness to bring life into being.

[picloud]

This is a beautiful post and should be what avalon is about. I believe in god but i have come to the conclusion no human mind not even the smartest person on earth can grasp or handle what god is.

I don't believe we understand anything at all in this world. The only thing we do is try to make things relatable. If we can power our imaginations with things that are graspable and relatable, we can turn our thoughts into actions, be they mental actions or physical actions, and take control over our environment and ourselves. And we use things we don't understand all the time, like my phone being used to write this message. Don't know how everything works but its a tool and I know how to apply it. We must therefore learn how to use tools given in life through all our faculties which ultimately stem from our ability to imagine.

[loc333]

Wow a very smart and lovely post you are both evolved more than most people, spiritually and otherwise . Im glad i came across this tonight and got to talk to you and be able to tell you what a great thread this is........and god bless. :-]

[picloud]

Wow a very smart and lovely post you are both evolved more than most people, spiritually and otherwise . Im glad i came across this tonight and got to talk to you and be able to tell you what a great thread this is........and god bless. :-]

Loc333 thank you for your kind words, I'm so happy to have made a positive impact on your day. I love to share knowledge as much as I love receiving it, and its people like you that make it all worth while. Whatever stage of evolution as I may be, I still have much to learn, much to fix up & correct, and much to give back in this world.

Much love!

[Innocent Warrior]

It’s always fascinating to read someone’s sharing of their gnosis. We see the spiritual knowledge and then use our language to paint a picture to convey the knowledge to the best of our ability. In this act we are as artists painting a work of art with our words and you are a wonderful artist, thank you for sharing.

I have a sharing for you, Piotrcloud, hope you enjoy. Just this week I had a revelation about the relationship between my higher self and I and while the realisation in itself is simple, the implications are staggering to me.

I realised that my higher self and I are the one indivisible being, not in a we’re energetically connected hence we are one way, no, as in we are literally one being and the perception and experience of being two is an illusion.

I could write all day about this revelation but for now I would like to share about its implications regarding creating consciously. The act of creating consciously, while in human form, is not about trying to become more conscious. By doing this we will always experience needing to be more conscious, by resonating a state of being which contains the need to be more conscious. It’s a little bit like the spoon in the Matrix movie - rather than trying to make the spoon bend, see there is no spoon. Well in this case, rather than trying to become more conscious, see that we already are. See that we already are creating this reality in full consciousness/awareness and then endeavour to resonate at that level of awareness, while still being incarnated physically.

The aim is not to dissolve the illusion because if we were to do that the image would dissolve with it. Rather, seek to become more and more aware of the illusion. In this way, we can continue to experience the image in full awareness, without dissolving it. Everything that can be experienced is real, the fact that it’s illusory doesn’t make it not real, it just means it is not as it appears.

[picloud]

Rachel,

Glad to hear of your progress to enlightenment :) Its funny that you share this story with me, as only a few days ago I came upon the same realization that me and my higher self are one as well. I like to picture it as though I use my higher self's third eye to see "his" world and he uses my eyes to see my world. Together were a team, or essentially one being with eyes open in different dimensions.

After I realized this, I was able to "merge" us together in my meditation so that we use both our combined strengths to seek out more answers to my path and the way of the world so to speak. From there I was able to interact with other "in-tact" souls (with their higher selves) such as mentioned in my OP and more; Jesus, St Peter, The Buddha, several ETs, Satan/Gaia, some dead relatives and so on...

At the end of the day, who or what I saw essentially makes no difference. The importance is in the basic lesson, be it taught through parable, metaphor, symbolism, surreal imagery or any other method. The aim of the other 3 Gods I mentioned is to stabilize our God (purify, learn self control over manifesting thoughts) through us as we are inseparable pieces of a whole that is God and in this dimension we are at an advantage where our negative thoughts thankfully take time (and for them to remain persistent) to develop/manifest into being. That being said - and along the lines of your recent post - we need conscious awareness without the strain of over thinking and over analysing our every thought and move to not unwittingly blurr our path which is followed simply by allowing love into your life and letting love inform what you do. We each have our own way but I find this to be quite universally tried and true.

Thanks so much for sharing!! Looking forward to your future posts :)

[uzn]

Sometimes it helps to look at things from another perspective to get the hole picture.
http://sfw.so/uploads/posts/2009-01/1232361348_038.jpg

So lets look at it from another angle
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God is or can be seen as a form of higher consciousness.
If we look at the teachings of eastern mysticism. For example that Gurdjieff learned from the eastern mystic schools. Planets have consciousness, a higher consciousness than we, they live one dimension higher than we. If a planet reaches enlightment the planet ignites and becomes a sun. A sun has a even higher consciousness than a Planet. The solar system even higher. Our galaxy even higher than the solar system. If we follow the logic the most high is the universe. It has the highest consciousness. Uni meaning one and verse meaning song. Basicly : one song. The universe is all. In it is everything.

just a thought

[Sunny-side-up]

Wow a very smart and lovely post you are both evolved more than most people, spiritually and otherwise . Im glad i came across this tonight and got to talk to you and be able to tell you what a great thread this is........and god bless. :-]

Loc333 thank you for your kind words, I'm so happy to have made a positive impact on your day. I love to share knowledge as much as I love receiving it, and its people like you that make it all worth while. Whatever stage of evolution as I may be, I still have much to learn, much to fix up & correct, and much to give back in this world.

Much love!

We must all remember then, that we are vessels of god's experience as seen through our personal movements through this reality as perceived by us!
Hence we are co-creators giving our little mad reality feedback.

Yes I love posts of this kind, thank you Piotrcloud :sun:

[greybeard]

Depends how far you want to go with this.
Ultimately there is only one without a second--no separation--no subject nor object.
Duality is Maya.--The illusion of separation.
Indras dream---The cosmic dance--call it what you will.

For me this thread, linked below, is the clearest definition--from direct knowledge.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?43027-Enlightenment-A-direct-succinct-account-of-what-occurs...&p=456904&viewfull=1#post456904

Chris

[Foxie Loxie]

The best explanation for God I have ever encountered is what was written by the scientist who wrote "The Blue Planet Project".(pg. 25) "Thus, we arrive at the source, the source has to be a form of intelligent energy operating at the highest possible point of the Frequency Spectrum. If such an energy exists at all, it might permeate the Universe and maintain equal control of each component part. Because of its very high frequency, so high that the energy particles are virtually standing still, the source has no need to replenish itself in any way that would be acceptable to our environmental sciences. It could actually create and destroy matter by manipulating the lower energies. It would be timeless, because it exists beyond all time fields. It would be infinite because it is not confined by Three-Dimensional Space."

I would agree that we do need to look at everything from a fresh & differing position. Too many of us have been locked in our little boxes for too long! :idea:

[Red Skywalker]

The best explanation for God I have ever encountered is what was written by the scientist who wrote "The Blue Planet Project".(pg. 25) "Thus, we arrive at the source, the source has to be a form of intelligent energy operating at the highest possible point of the Frequency Spectrum. If such an energy exists at all, it might permeate the Universe and maintain equal control of each component part. Because of its very high frequency, so high that the energy particles are virtually standing still, the source has no need to replenish itself in any way that would be acceptable to our environmental sciences. It could actually create and destroy matter by manipulating the lower energies. It would be timeless, because it exists beyond all time fields. It would be infinite because it is not confined by Three-Dimensional Space."


"The total sum of minds in the Universe, is One. "

" I don't want to belief, I want to Know. "


The above quote from "The Blue Planet Project" is for me also a very good and close explanation, certainly when some graphics are added. So here we go:

"We arrive at the source, the source has to be a form of intelligent energy operating at the highest possible point of the Frequency Spectrum:"


http://home.kpn.nl/chip/forumpics/genesis1a.jpg

In this graphics, the pattern is limited, but it stretches to infinity. It's limited drawn for the explanation of the next stage after the outer spheres. This next stage is where the 'nothingness' gets out of equilibrium and 'distance' thus space and time starts for the Observer to emerge. (See arrow)

" If such an energy exists at all, it might permeate the Universe and maintain equal control of each component part. Because of its very high frequency, so high that the energy particles are virtually standing still, the source has no need to replenish itself in any way that would be acceptable to our environmental sciences."

This energy is caused by the infinite Absolute Cold Emptiness that never can be heated, but absorbs even it's own absorption force. There will always 'be' nothing. I call this 'frozen time space'. It is still here, there is still nothing, only it's infinite (electrical charge) absorption force is there. Thus Reality is an illusion. The reversal of the absorption force in itself happens at the black dots, zero points or black hole centers. These represent the absolute cold emptiness, now divided. The way this happens can be explained with the dynamics of the Buckminster Fuller Cube of Equilibrium and the Cube of Metatron:


http://home.kpn.nl/chip/forumpics/Metatron-vierkant.jpg

Each time a reversal takes place, a (Planck) time or observation/creation moment of consciousness takes place.

"It could actually create and destroy matter by manipulating the lower energies. It would be timeless, because it exists beyond all time fields."


It creates the Time fields.

"It would be infinite because it is not confined by Three-Dimensional Space."

Each dot in the graphics is there, because it 'travels' with infinite speed from one 'side' of infinity to the 'other', so it should be everywhere. This can be visualized, but that goes to far for now. At infinite speed, there is no distance anymore, but shockwaves manifesting as magnetic fields create the spheres, packed according to 'The Best Sphere Packing'. These shockwaves also provide the feedback to the zero electrical charge point, The Observer: You. And all your co-creating observers of infinite Universes over all Time.
You are me and I am you.

Big story to tell, hopefully:


I would agree that we do need to look at everything from a fresh & differing position. Too many of us have been locked in our little boxes for too long! you see that there are people thinking out of the box.

G.O.D. could be: 'Geometrical Origin Dimension'.

We are God, the still infinite Absolute Cold Emptiness, observing our own creation and see what works and what doesn't.


We shouldn't think in terms of Fire, but in Absolute Coldness. Maybe then we find a way of understanding our position. For me it helps thinking in this direction and what I told above is NOT the truth, but to me it seems closer to it.

Ok, that's the way the bells ring to me as I think to the term: "God".

[bettye198]

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/298996862737971106/
My word for God is Eternal Creator of First Creation. I believe in energy and Creator would have to be an Energy that incorporates all the firsts; sound, light and motion that are standing particle wave forms. Of that Tree, we are branches of.
When I was in college, many many light years ago, I remember a book Og Mandino wrote as a parable as if God were talking to us about US, the miracle of Creation. It stuck with me. So, we are the explorers and sensitivity and emotion and action experienced through our Creator. If we touch a leaf, we partake in that energy field and so on. Nature came first to remind us of our station as a spiritual being; force. In our travels, we become honed and more aware adding more experience to the soul consciousness.I believe that is what we are.

[picloud]

I'm loving everyone's input about the nature of God :) speaking for myself, I can see that were all looking at the same God, though through our complex and unique personal make up (who we are and everything we are) we each paint the picture differently, yet were all saying the same thing, essentially. I believe religion's downfall is forcing a unique and personal perspective of a very subjective experience to become the only truth or means of "seeing" or "being" with the God experience. In other words, religion fails to acknowledge the subjective nature of the God experience which is as unique as ourselves. Therefore I believe, anyone who has experienced Truth understands that Truth is personal, with key concepts. We all speak the same language, we just have our own way of saying the same thing.

[ZooLife]

Though it has it's purposes, describing who/ what God is is largely an intellectual exercise. Trying to encapsulate God.....even using the word 'God' to describe is ultimately futile.

I, myself, use the word God but I struggle with using a word that refers to ............

Even a elaboration to describe the word God more fully is a pale pale pale description of who 'God' is. Though, I will add, at least it is a slight sideways glimpse or hint.

[picloud]

ZooLife,

I think God is a word we use to define something that is as infinitely complex and infinitely simple as the concept of all that is in existence. We "box" the idea of God unwittingly through giving it a name with a huge connotation, yet this is our human way of grasping an idea in some sort of workable sense. God is a strong and misused word in my opinion, and very limiting. I'd rather call it The Source, personally. But at the end of the day, we as humans don't communicate telepathically therefore were restricted to word use and words are restricted by their inherent nature of being misinterpreted for various reasons (language/cultural background, context, emphasis, hierarchy and word arrangement, etc.). But we work with what tools we have and at the end of the day, we arrive at the true nature of knowing God and what God is through introspection, where our consciousness is limitless and thus able to perceive. Some of us, me included, try to translate the lesson into words like I do here so that maybe someone else reads it and relates? Anyway, don't hesitate to use the word God, it's a word and a tool.

[JChombre]

I'm loving everyone's input about the nature of God :) speaking for myself, I can see that were all looking at the same God, though through our complex and unique personal make up (who we are and everything we are) we each paint the picture differently, yet were all saying the same thing, essentially. I believe religion's downfall is forcing a unique and personal perspective of a very subjective experience to become the only truth or means of "seeing" or "being" with the God experience. In other words, religion fails to acknowledge the subjective nature of the God experience which is as unique as ourselves. Therefore I believe, anyone who has experienced Truth understands that Truth is personal, with key concepts. We all speak the same language, we just have our own way of saying the same thing.


Not much to add to this excellent thread :thumbsup:. Just wanna say thank you for it.
Many blessings,
JC

[picloud]

Thanks JC,

I took a bit of a risk with this thread, especially when saying that Jesus was Satan, Satan is God/Gaia/a piece of the Trinity etc. as it could have offended some but it seems that the people of Project Avalon are really open minded and can see the bigger picture, so my thanks goes out to everyone here for a) taking the time to read this and b) being open minded. The other risk was me sharing my personal experience. I laid it all out here as it was told to me without edit or sugarcoating... not knowing whether I was meant to share this information or keep it to myself. Alas I figured that both Jesus and the Buddha (who were with me on the journey) were into speaking their mind as much as I like to, I just have the advantage of being quasi-anonymous and speaking to an easier audience, so I went for it...

So! My OP isn't declaring the absolute and comprehensive state of the universe and God, it is rather outlining it all as a concept given meaning by us as humans, and using said concepts and meanings to inform people in the best way that I can.

Many thanks.

[greybeard]

There are facts and opinions about facts
The Self evidence pointed to by the enlightened is uniform and for me convincing.

"I am That I am" speaks volumes.
I can verify that I am without anything else for confirmation.
Self awareness.

Chris

[picloud]

To all,

One thing I have not mentioned in my OP is that a particular thought occurred to me during this meditation which poses some serious questions about our relationship with God.

I'm not sure where or from who this thought came, all I know is it was like a full stop at the end of a sentence when this knowledge was being told unto me. I left it out originally because it sounds crazy. In my last post I mentioned that the OP was as told, un-sugarcoated so... Here we go.

In life, there is only you and God, playing a game of hide and seek. And this means literally only you and only God (God being everything around you, people, animals, plants, the Earth etc) exist as two individual consciousnesses. That's it.

Here's the crazy part. Me, Piotrcloud, I am experiencing consciousness, as are you reading this. But who is real? I know I'm real because I'm experiencing my Self, and everything in my reality. So, I'm experiencing you, or other people. So... it is possible (since I don't share your consciousness like I can share it with God) that everyone in my life is made up, all imaginary, all part of God's (and my) game that were playing, and I'm currently the one counting in the corner, ready to seek. Is it possible that everything is an illusion in the sense that there is only my consciousness, and God's consciousness? And that everyone in my life is an actor playing their perfect role to be or seem like they are their own person with their own consciousness? Or, are they all simply God pretending?

Now you could say "I'm reading this and I have my own consciousness, I am real as well, I am my own unique soul." But to me, that could be part of the act to say such a thing. Also in reverse, you reading this theory of mine could say that this is God acting as Piotrcloud, writing in this forum (maybe to throw you off?) and I can be as convincing as hell in my attempts to say that I am my own person, my own consciousness, but again, acting is acting and God is playing the game incredibly well.

So... why? I think its because the consciousness of the universe is polarized by all means and ways (light and dark, male and female, high and low vibrations, etc.) and out of that polarization, two egos came to be. They share the same energy and at times consciousness (telepathically), but they have their own thoughts, senses and identity. One of these is who we may call God, and the other is you (or in my case, Me). And the whole game is just that: just a game, and the point is to seek/find God before the time is up (maybe time only exists in this reality for the reason that such a game can be played with limits on how long one must seek? Perhaps all laws of physics are like the rules of the game, to make things challenging/interesting?)

So anyway, everything I'm experiencing with my senses is God. God in many forms, but God as a single mind. I am the Other, at first fooled to believe the actors are real (in then sense they are who they say they are), because they are so convincing, only to eventually learn that they are not who they say they are. God and I are essentially all we have, each other. And the gift of life we receive is a game we play to experience things as if it were the first time. Like hearing your favorite song for the first time - that feeling recreated in life.

Remember that if you are reading this, you are real, but that's not so certain for everyone else in your world.

The end.

What are your thoughts? I'd love to hear some feedback.

Much love.

[greybeard]

Hi Piotrcloud
interesting thread and questions posed by you.
Ramana Maharshi when asked how real the Universe is said " Its as real as you are"
Elsewhere he said "There is neither creation, nor dissolution"

Make of that what you will.
For me it implies all is God's dream---However--- You are That.
I suspect it has to be known from am Enlightened State for any sense to be made of it.
As said Tim's thread seems as near as it gets for an explanation.

This forum has discussed the subject from the time of the original Avalon and are we any closer to a duality answer?
Is there one?
I dont know.
Still it is essential to ask and continue to discuss.

Chris

[picloud]

Ramana Maharshi when asked how real the Universe is said " Its as real as you are"
Elsewhere he said "There is neither creation, nor dissolution"

Greybeard,

Those words strike a chord with me. The latter is most interesting as it is quite complex... "There is no creation" to me makes me think of the idea that everything is nothing, and nothing in this sense, is the act, the fooling, the game. "There is no dissolution" makes me think that this what we are experiencing does not dissolve itself to give itself away and fall apart. You cannot approach someone and say "I found you, God, stop acting!" as the game must remain unspoilt, the gift cannot be returned, all you can do is know it's a game.

In knowing this, we are (or I am) at peace. I am not deceived, I was deceiving myself. I am with God always. Jesus said, "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" to which he elaborated that what ever you do unto someone, you are doing unto him (Jesus/God). This could translate to the idea that everyone in the world is God and you are directly treating God in the way you treat your friend, lover, family member or stranger. In light of what I've been talking about, it fits the mould.

So yeah, makes me think indeed. Thanks greybeard :)

[greybeard]

Seems that the only thing that is eternal, unchanging, unaffected by what appears and disappears is Awareness.
Quite a few Enlightened teachers are stating this now.
I like Mooji guided meditations, a lot of information in them
Here is one.
Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUDyy1rUSVQ

[Michi]

To all,

Here's the crazy part. Me, Piotrcloud, I am experiencing consciousness, as are you reading this. But who is real? I know I'm real because I'm experiencing my Self, and everything in my reality. So, I'm experiencing you, or other people. So... it is possible (since I don't share your consciousness like I can share it with God) that everyone in my life is made up, all imaginary, all part of God's (and my) game that were playing, and I'm currently the one counting in the corner, ready to seek. Is it possible that everything is an illusion in the sense that there is only my consciousness, and God's consciousness? And that everyone in my life is an actor playing their perfect role to be or seem like they are their own person with their own consciousness?

Hi Piotrcloud

Per my view, your are very, very close ...
The best ever concept of who god is I got from a podcast, from Steve Pavlina: The True Nature of Reality (http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/09/stevepavlinacom-podcast-016-the-true-nature-of-reality/)

It is very close to what you describe above with the difference that you are god [as you are reading this post] and everyone else is simply part of the same conciousness. It's a bit difficult to sum it up in a few words.
Best is to listen to the podcast - it's incredible!

[picloud]

Devplan,

Thanks for the link I'll check out the podcast today! Excited to hear what this guy has to say...

Upon meditating last night, I pondered the validity of my theory and something (or someone) was suggesting to me that whether I'm wrong or right, what difference does it make? This seemed to come from my personal ego, or my critical self, be it me as I am or Higher Self, the two being essentially one and the same, blurred the lines. But anyway, if I'm right and I'm the only one "here" and everything and everyone else is God, it (in my view) is a beautiful thing. If I'm wrong and everyone is like me, consciously unique and individual, then again, this is beautiful. However if I'm wrong it just means I should learn how to discern between my ego's thoughts and those of my Higher Self or someone else. In some way, I felt that I'm neither wrong nor right, just looking at the relationship between God and myself in a different way. I still believe everyone is uniquely their own person/consciousness, but there's some level of overlapping truth in what I have discovered also, just need to see if and where the two meet...

My brain hurts.

Haha

[Cardillac]

I think the Hermeticists were right (if my read sources are correct Hermeticism kick-started the Renaissance) and they didn't sit well with the Vatican;

which is why I adhere to no religious dogmas and don't do "churchianity""- no, I am NOT an atheist-

mind is not "local" in our brains; mind is everywhere and we are not separate from the creator but are part of the creator-

Larry

[pueblo]

Who God is and what we are? The answer to both questions is the same...we are IT and IT is us.. moreover everything is IT and IT is everything...

[picloud]

Pueblo,

Thank you for your post! The driving idea behind this thread acknowledges the fact that God is us and we are God or that God is everything, and vice versa. I believe that is well known amongst the people here at Avalon, but what this thread is trying to do is answer the question more specifically. So yes God is us and we are God... so what are the implications? What more can we learn about God and what can we do with this information? What do we know of God through our own experiences? This thread asks everyone to pitch in on their idea of God and/or relationship with God or even (as I have) how God fits into our lives as a Being, not just an all-permeating energy. Basically, I started it so that I could see how others' experiences match up against my own and so we all learn something.

So Pueblo, I ask you, what are your thoughts on the nature of God? Paint a picture for me (figuratively haha) as I'm very interested in what you and everyone has to say on this matter :)

- Piotrcloud

[Blacklight43]

There is nothing that god is not.

[picloud]

There is nothing that god is not.

If God is, then what "not" is, is simply anything beyond God. Can something be beyond God's reach/permeability/power? Who's to say that God is omnipotent? There must be a limit. To give God credibility so easily by just allowing God to be all and everything and even beyond God's self seems a bit foolhardy. There must be a state of absence from God... Such a state (or place?) wouldn't rely on position with reference to God's all encompassing self, rather it could be perhaps (thinking loosely and off the top of my head) a higher dimension than which God operates on. In said dimension, there needn't be any rules or beings, just void, vacuum, absence of consciousness, darkness, perhaps even an inescapable "hell" that even God's self doesn't place her/his self...
I say this because in an infinite universe/multiverse, there must be an infinite amount of possibilities, thus any exclusions are unwarranted and furthermore, all possibilities are as likely as any other. So there must be an absent state of God in some way, otherwise God would have no identity, and to Be or to understand Self must stem from some discernible type of identity that defines ones self by contrast or other.

What do you think Blacklight43?
What does everyone reading this think of this?

[picloud]

PS: "There is nothing that God is not."

I just looked carefully at that sentence and saw something interesting, breaking it down by its words and their imbued meanings. So to say: There is nothing... That God is not (breaking up the sentence) already changes it, suggesting that there IS "nothing" and THAT GOD is not. To me it reads as saying that there is a certain "nothing" which is absent of God, and God (in that) is simply "not". I may seem like I'm just twisting words, but I believe there is a secret message that reads between the lines of all things we utter in this world, however miniscule, that informs us (when we know what to look for) of a certain truth that is divergent of the original intent of the thing we say. It's taking from an ancient belief that speech itself is sacred, and if so, there is truth in all lies, and that truth can appear from giving different meaning to the words in any given sentence (critically, not just as we please).

Hope that made some sense. If you know what I'm talking about, you may have an innate ability to channel spiritual messages in everyday mundane or other speech and communication.

Food for thought anyway.

[Innocent Warrior]

:waving:


What does everyone reading this think of this?


If God is, then what "not" is, is simply anything beyond God.

Existence contains everything that exists and every thing exists. God is all that is, there is no thing beyond God. If you like, see this as a falsifiable theory and attempt to disprove it. Find some thing beyond God, find something that doesn't exist. :bigsmile:


Can something be beyond God's reach/permeability/power?

Firstly; no, secondly; God is not permeable, God is omnipresent and impervious, all things arise from God, they don't pass through God.


So there must be an absent state of God in some way

Yes, there is. We can experience this state, however, the illusion of separation must be employed to experience it, which can be achieved in much the same way as I experienced being separate from my HS, except to a much deeper degree. We would have to allow ourselves to become utterly 'lost'.

* * *

In regards to the thread title, I have many views on who God is and what we are but the following quote is the perspective which is most meaningful to me, at least in this life. :)

"That which gives man a knowledge of himself can be inspired only by the Self - and God is the Self in all things. In truth, He is the inspiration and the thing inspired. It has been stated in Scripture that God was the Word and that the Word was made flesh. Man's task now is to make flesh reflect the glory of that Word, which is within the soul of himself." ~ The Lost Keys of Freemasonry

[ZooLife]

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"That which gives man a knowledge of himself can be inspired only by the Self - and God is the Self in all things. In truth, He is the inspiration and the thing inspired. It has been stated in Scripture that God was the Word and that the Word was made flesh. Man's task now is to make flesh reflect the glory of that Word, which is within the soul of himself." ~ The Lost Keys of Freemasonry

Word is flesh, flesh is word, and thus mortal.

Word is like the clothes One puts on.

Emperor's new clothes, what clothes?

[joeecho]

To answer the question, who God is and, by extension, what we are, one must utilize the mind. The mind will want to come to a conclusion but it will be OF the mind......a reflection, if you will.

The mind is inadequate to answer this/ these question(s) with only hints of the answer forth coming.

Creation cannot create the 'Creator' though it will try to mirror it. Copy that?

[Morbid]

great topic. since being raised as an atheist i find it was a bit easier for me to eventually feel the god energy and to become aware of it while being separate from religious misdirections. though i do have two questions which i struggle to answer on intuitive level..

according to some resources there is apparently more than one universe. if so, then is the god creator consciousness bound to one universe only? is there another god consciousness out there beyond our universe?
also, while god is love, does it 'act' or 'create' based on its own independent judgement as an overly experienced future seeing being? could it be that there is some sort of an algorithm to all this? perhaps a protocol or an endless set of 'if statements'?

[picloud]

great topic. since being raised as an atheist i find it was a bit easier for me to eventually feel the god energy and to become aware of it while being separate from religious misdirections. though i do have two questions which i struggle to answer on intuitive level..

according to some resources there is apparently more than one universe. if so, then is the god creator consciousness bound to one universe only? is there another god consciousness out there beyond our universe?
also, while god is love, does it 'act' or 'create' based on its own independent judgement as an overly experienced future seeing being? could it be that there is some sort of an algorithm to all this? perhaps a protocol or an endless set of 'if statements'?

Many have accepted the idea of a omnipotent being as our creator meaning its power has no bounds and thus encompasses ALL including other universes. But what I want to know is why do we assume this? If we look to say Christianity's idea of an omnipotent being, this God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th. If He was omnipotent, why is He limited to creating everything in 6 days and needing to rest?

I don't see why we need to assume or believe in a being that has no limits. It seems a bit lazy or naive to me to just give all credit to something like that.

[DeDukshyn]

Everything is I-Magi-Nation, and God = All That Is!

rQRf0r-EjkM


Bashar "songified" to dubstep: Priceless. :)

[Omni]

great topic. since being raised as an atheist i find it was a bit easier for me to eventually feel the god energy and to become aware of it while being separate from religious misdirections. though i do have two questions which i struggle to answer on intuitive level..

according to some resources there is apparently more than one universe. if so, then is the god creator consciousness bound to one universe only? is there another god consciousness out there beyond our universe?
also, while god is love, does it 'act' or 'create' based on its own independent judgement as an overly experienced future seeing being? could it be that there is some sort of an algorithm to all this? perhaps a protocol or an endless set of 'if statements'?

I personally do not believe in any God or demi-god overseeing the whole universe or omniverse. The universe is too massive for one person to be the administrator of IMO. I don't think one living conscious being can interface everything going on in the universe. How would that work?

I think Nature is our Source, and Extraterrestrials are the intelligent design. So I would say the 'algorithms of the universe' or 'algorithms of nature' are our creator.

Also if "God is love" then God the creator of everything must be incredibly lame to the evil side of things in the universe. The dark federation of ETs(Draco, Grey, etc) are anti-love in my experiences. I think the idea of a God that everyone likes is obsolete once knowing the evil side of things and their values.

[DeDukshyn]

"person", sure ... ;) Allow me to link back to here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89706-Who-God-is-and-what-we-are.&p=1056666&viewfull=1#post1056666

You're thinking within human constructs again Omni ;)

[ZooLife]

Your thinking within human constructs again Omni ;)

I got a big smile from this sentence because ......been then, done that. Also, it's easy to do as the water is always inviting me in. "Care for a swim" it asks. And I do take the invite and sometimes forget I am not a fish. :)

Okay, sometimes I forget I am not a cat but that is another story. ;)

Construct - Once in a conworld one uses conlang to connect (among other constructs). Even silence or nothing is viewed as a construct in a conworld. The con-mind is unlimited in it's imagination however that is also it's limitation.

How does one get outside imagination? Reality? Perhaps it is imagining what that is as well.

[Omni]

"person", sure ... ;) Allow me to link back to here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89706-Who-God-is-and-what-we-are.&p=1056666&viewfull=1#post1056666

You're thinking within human constructs again Omni ;)
I'm speaking within the constructs of everything I have witnessed in reality since I was born. Label it however you'd like to I guess.

A person is not a human construct. What I meant by that word was a conscious being/individual. I'm not sure how the concept of an "individual" is a human construct :ranger:

[ZooLife]

according to some resources there is apparently more than one universe. if so, then is the god creator consciousness bound to one universe only? is there another god consciousness out there beyond our universe?


Regardless of Multiverse or not, I think one could stick to one universe, theoretically, and the same questions would still apply.

Here is a fun thought. If there is a god to every universe, do they get together once an infinity and have a god-con (convention)? How would they tell the difference between each other, would they have to wear 'name' tags?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Be6xq4gCEAAu8dA.jpg

[DeDukshyn]

"person", sure ... ;) Allow me to link back to here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?89706-Who-God-is-and-what-we-are.&p=1056666&viewfull=1#post1056666

You're thinking within human constructs again Omni ;)
I'm speaking within the constructs of everything I have witnessed in reality since I was born. Label it however you'd like to I guess.

A person is not a human construct. What I meant by that word was a conscious being/individual. I'm not sure how the concept of an "individual" is a human construct :ranger:

Lol! I'm NOT judging you Omni :) All beings in human form tend to relate to everything from a human perspective -- that's natural. My point is, the human thought process is very specific, and sees thing from distint perspectives, while often not understanding or plain ignoring others.

Heres's an example that slightly explains it.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5u7vZL8l29k/UqKoCNOEsbI/AAAAAAAAblU/h2OIeZMvLeU/s1600/Perspective.jpg

The "human" viewpoint is restricted to what any individual human "knows" or "experiences" 00 however, there is an infinite sea of what humans "don't know" or can not "experience" due to he restrictions of the human mechanism itself as a physical being. This vast area that makes up like 99.9% of actual "creation" is outside of our understanding. To be wise would be to always make room for this recognition, in my personal opinion at least. :)

[ZooLife]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5u7vZL8l29k/UqKoCNOEsbI/AAAAAAAAblU/h2OIeZMvLeU/s1600/Perspective.jpg


This reminds me of Flatland.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4

In sphereland that is a wine cork! They drink a lot of wine in sphereworld.

Oh wait, maybe that is in zooland. There are a lot of spirits in zooland. ;)

[DeDukshyn]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5u7vZL8l29k/UqKoCNOEsbI/AAAAAAAAblU/h2OIeZMvLeU/s1600/Perspective.jpg


This reminds me of Flatland.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4

In sphereland that is a wine cork! They drink a lot of wine in sphereworld.

Oh wait, maybe that is in zooland. There are a lot of spirits in zooland. ;)

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It's not 100% but a great thought experiment! Keep in mind, this is within the small fraction of what we refer to as "what we know" ....

[Michelle Marie]

I just have to say...

When I was a young child, my grandma asked me what I thought God was,
I just said: "everything"

What if that were true?

Love all,
MM :heart:

[DeDukshyn]

<Full Edit> Changed this post as the initial made little sense and had too little info to convey a clear message.

So instead, here's a kitten! :)
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[ZooLife]

I just have to say...

When I was a young child, my grandma asked me what I thought God was,
I just said: "everything"

What if that were true?

Love all,
MM :heart:

If that were true then everything is an atheist and pantheist simultaneously. After all, if everything is God then nothing is God and if nothing is God then what are we talking about?

Everything/ Nothing is a reflection of God in a 'place' without mirrors.

I reflect but reflect I am not.

I am everything/ nothing but everything/ nothing I am not.

I am everything hidden and nothing revealed.

[joeecho]

If we look to say Christianity's idea of an omnipotent being, this God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th. If He was omnipotent, why is He limited to creating everything in 6 days and needing to rest?


That is a human narrative chalk full of symbolism.

TV commercial are a narrative and chalked full of symbolism too.

Draw from that what you will.

[joeecho]

Everything is I-Magi-Nation, and God = All That Is!

rQRf0r-EjkM


Bashar "songified" to dubstep: Priceless. :)

Cool graphics.

'God is all there is' is also a construct of the mind. It is like saying all that is seen in reflection is all that is within the reflection except there is no mirror because God is all there is.

All that is is the chaff. Great for creating (ALL kinds of stuff).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtTz4nHCAAAHOSI.jpg:large

(Okay, maybe not the air conditioner ;) )

[DeDukshyn]

... Trim ...

Cool graphics.

'God is all there is' is also a construct of the mind. It is like saying all that is seen in reflection is all that is within the reflection except there is no mirror because God is all there is.

...



Duality to Universal. It s all perspective. It's actually a hierarchy in a sense.

[ZooLife]

... Trim ...

Cool graphics.

'God is all there is' is also a construct of the mind. It is like saying all that is seen in reflection is all that is within the reflection except there is no mirror because God is all there is.

...



Duality to Universal. It s all perspective. It's actually a hierarchy in a sense.

Quite the iceberg (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1062381&viewfull=1#post1062381) don't you think?

[DeDukshyn]

... Trim ...

Cool graphics.

'God is all there is' is also a construct of the mind. It is like saying all that is seen in reflection is all that is within the reflection except there is no mirror because God is all there is.

...



Duality to Universal. It s all perspective. It's actually a hierarchy in a sense.

Quite the iceberg (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-Enlightenment-and-related-matters.&p=1062381&viewfull=1#post1062381) don't you think?

Indeed. You describe the distinction between "Nagual" and "Tonal" The "potential" and the "form". Vibration sustains form, hence the word "Tonal" with the root of "Tone" indicates this vibration. Naugual is the substance from which "tone" brings forth the "Tonal". It is the "Word of God" that provides the vibrations that create the Tonal. We (humans), as creator beings ourselves, also can manipulate the Naugual - this should be more natural to us but it has been "cult-ured" out of us as a whole collective and the secrets kept for the ultra elite.These terms have been religious-ized to death, but they are metaphors for, and relate to the quantum physics behind creation. The ancients kept this info and have passed it on.

Another interesting way to look at the scale of such things we try to comprehend is to note that what I don't know I don't know is infinitely larger that what I know and what I know I don't know, combined. Until I am God, it will always be this way :) Same for each of us.

[truthseekerdan]

This documentary was on Nat Geo, a few days ago. Enjoy while it lasts!

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[Morbid]

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[Flash]

That is a very interesting meditation truly.

Alghough I am always very suspicious of anything coming from the Astral plane, the higher self which is much past the astral plane being the real first contact to truth, I believe, I must say that I had seen pretty much what you are mentioning here - except for Satan, I would not use that word because of the religious programs and connotations.

I invite you to look at what George Kavassilas has written in these context, but with a different spin to it. His writings do relate to what you are writing, somewhat, somewhere. I will direct you to a video he posted on these topics (God, Satan, the dream, the imaginative creative processes, our higher self and where we stand).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzyuFE2mbwY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2o6uT1ENJg


Here is my attempt to provoke some enlightenment and perhaps maybe at least spark some questions about who is God? I spoke with various entities today in my meditation, two of them being Jesus Christ and the Buddha. Here is what I learned from them, through visiting them on the Astral Plane in an Out of Body Experience. It might be worth mentioning that Jesus lead me to Buddha for me to truly grasp what he was trying to tell me, in a way only Buddha could explain. Jesus loves his metaphors And parables of course, but I like the more direct, straight to the point approach. Anyway, enjoy the journey I'm gonna take your mind through... Keep an open mind.

Our God is Nature. Everything here in this 3rd dimension is of his/her imagination, and you are part of his/her dream. The dreams create life by imagination. There are 3 others, or other Gods. They are dreaming up the other 3 dimensions (4th, 5th and 6th). The 7th dimension is the Ultimate Realityy, in which the Gods reside. They are creating us through their imagination. They can live seperately from their creations, as a unified being broken off from a piece of the God's consciousness.

All creation by our God's imagination arrives at the 3rd dimension, and also acts like a common playground for all 4 Gods. Our God (take a deep breath!) is known sometimes and by some as Satan. Jesus was Satan in the flesh, experiencing his dream and creation first hand. The Fallen Angel, Satan, fell from the 7th plane to come down into his own nightmare, to try fix things himself, to reason with himself, against the advice of the other 3 (they didn't want him to suffer, they had another way to help mankind). Satan as a "young God" is prone to "bad thoughts", he/she is the newest edition to the family of 4. The other 3 are intervening now as ETs from other dimensions or other universes in the 3rd dimension. Those from other dimensions are the other Gods' imagination manifested, and some seek out to help Satan awake from his nightmare by closing the loop of rebirth and teaching mankind to become enlightened. Those from the third dimension are either Satan's thoughts manifested into forms of life or the telepathic thoughts manifested into being from the other 3 Gods who are here to heal us and are a part of God (Satan/Nature). They are our family. They are our High Angels (or simply, Gods). Satan is one such High Angel, who as mentioned, is new to Ultimate Reality (7th dimension) and will as Nature intends, regulate his/herself to restore balance. Satan speaks musically and poetically in parables and uses symbols as he/she likes to keep complicated matters into little compartments that can be represented by symbolism and metaphor as well as math which gives birth to science and all laws of Nature. This is why each receives their own perspective of God. Some see God as many, some as one, and some more interestingly don't see a god at all, rather they see God's true self: pure love and often in the form of "place" or state of "being". God is thus a sort of shapeshifter, transforming and forming through his/her imagination, manifesting constantly. Out of control. Our "young" God is learning how to regain control over the chaos that came with the third dimension, with Satan's very own being in existence.

Originally there was one True God, always I should say, who split into two, then the two split again. Each God is pure love born of consciousness that is eternal. Consciousness that created the 4 Gods through its own imagination. This consciousness is the Alpha and Omega. One of the four Gods, (Satan/Gaia/Nature/etc, all the same God) gave his/her creations free will, and so "evil" was born with the ability to stray from God's plan. The other 3 know to not do this, rather design for their creations a path through life that is one with their design/plan which brings peace and endless love. Satan gave us free will so that we can all be Gods, bringing our imagination into being, but so that it is distinguishable and more rewarding, it is not instantaneous, it must follow the laws of time and natural processes and must come from love, so that it can be an escape from heaven. It must be different. And so the "too smart for his/her own good" Satan thus successfully escaped or "fell" from "heaven", to escape and allow his thoughts/creations to live like Gods, unwittingly causing evil, creating a nightmare in which the other 3 Gods are helping him/her through, as it is a natural process of being. We as humans thus begin with Nature, die, return to our God enlightened (eventually), slowly piece him/her back together and purify him/her, we all wake up together and are rejoined with our family of 4. When we are all together again, we can do as we please. Everything is possible. And everything is good, now that we are pure. Now that I am pure. As we and I are the same.

The trinity in Christianity for example, is a metaphor for this consciousness' interlaced features. The father, speaking from it being the origin of all things as consciousness. The son, being pure love born of consciousness and came into being to become Other to be objective and "love God/itself", and the holy spirit, being the power of the original consciousness that is imagination and free will, so that God's love is able to be free and take its own path, to or from God so that God knows true love. The trick is that there was never a timeline, no past no future, just a perfect circle of self, that creates other, that moves through the cycle, to become self, that will create other, that will continue on for eternity. So we as humans are the lucky ones. When this life is over we return to our God as an individual and unique being. We exist as a memory, and as we are remembered we remain as individuals. Otherwise we are absorbed by the greater consciousness. Once we are enlightened, and follow the path to God, we enter heaven - the 7th plane, among the 4 Gods and do as they do, create our own reality - however we do not create new life, that is not possible until Satan is restored to his/her pure state. Satan in the 7th dimension is aware that he/she is dreaming. We as humans are born unaware that we are the dream, this is one fundamental difference between us.

The self effort exerted through free will to find our God is the point of existence - to test this True Love, to see if in the absence of a God (or the apparent absence), humans (fragments of God) will want to return to God him/herself. The question is: IS OUR LOVE REAL? And we learn what love is about in this 3rd dimension, then, we enter Love itself. And so here we are. Little imaginary beings living in an imaginary world by an imaginary God dreaming us into existence to prove that the love he/she was born from was true and to truly embrace his/her new life with the 3 others in a world of imagination, where anything is possible with us as eternal as long as single memory of our existence in this world remains. Welcome to existence. There's no more disappearing after you have emerged, you simply are, and so you should simply be. In life, love is the only thing that matters, first of yourself then of others, as above so below. It is not hard to reach enlightenment, just seek the truth of your Higher Self, who is the original thought of who you are when you first became, and the collection of all experiences, this life and others lived in the future and the past. Once you have found your Higher Self, they will guide you through all the steps you need to take. Trust in them and yourself, really. You as who you are today are one drop in the ocean of time, that spans past and future and happens all at once, and so I say that this is only one life, afterward we rejoin in death with our Higher Selves first at what seemed like only one turn of the wheel to connect ourselves to the sum of our experiences, learned in life so that we are like Gods, and then enter the 7th dimension of Ultimate Reality. Heaven. Nirvana. There we become one with our God Satan, but keep our memory of ourselves and so we live on through eternity.

And so 4 Gods split into the countless. All thoughts come into being through a God's dream. Hence our God's lesson is of self control, and to use his/her life giving power more responsibly, raising his/her new children (the next wave of beings once we've regrouped) in his/her light and love, no confusion, just unconditional, upfront and unyielding love. Life is thus a precious gift. A gift of free will. A gift of becoming a God. Life may seem cruel, but we all experience cruelty as a way of working through the nightmare together and to not let evil reside in our hearts, or others if possible. Good will conquer evil, it is Nature's way to restore balance, and so one way or another it will return us back to Earth or another planet in this dimension time and time again until there is a balance of stable energies, as represented by the chakras. Remember our God, speaks to us through metaphors and parables and symbols and music and imagination/creativity and intuition. Listen and look out for the forest beyond the tree. Peace & <3

PS: I hope people are open minded enough to realize the benevolence of the character Satan in our religious/historical pasttime and realise that he/she is infact Nature itself. I'm not devil worshipping, and nor was a woman who understood math a case of witchcraft in the Dark Ages. I hope the majority of us have moved on from those times.

[Foxie Loxie]

Appreciate your posting George K's videos. He makes a lot of sense! :highfive:

[rgray222]

Self is not learned or taught it is realized.
Answers are always within and do not need validation.


There are facts and opinions about facts
The Self evidence pointed to by the enlightened is uniform and for me convincing.

"I am That I am" speaks volumes.
I can verify that I am without anything else for confirmation.
Self awareness.

Chris

[greybeard]

Self is not learned or taught it is realized.
Answers are always within and do not need validation.


There are facts and opinions about facts
The Self evidence pointed to by the enlightened is uniform and for me convincing.

"I am That I am" speaks volumes.
I can verify that I am without anything else for confirmation.
Self awareness.

Chris

Thats true but in the beginning it helps to know what questions to ask the in dweller.
I am indebted to those who pointed the way and told me that the Guru is within.
Then validation is as you say not necessary, nor are questions.

Ch

[The Freedom Train]

I have a sharing for you, Piotrcloud, hope you enjoy. Just this week I had a revelation about the relationship between my higher self and I and while the realisation in itself is simple, the implications are staggering to me.

I realised that my higher self and I are the one indivisible being, not in a we’re energetically connected hence we are one way, no, as in we are literally one being and the perception and experience of being two is an illusion.

I could write all day about this revelation but for now I would like to share about its implications regarding creating consciously. The act of creating consciously, while in human form, is not about trying to become more conscious. By doing this we will always experience needing to be more conscious, by resonating a state of being which contains the need to be more conscious. It’s a little bit like the spoon in the Matrix movie - rather than trying to make the spoon bend, see there is no spoon. Well in this case, rather than trying to become more conscious, see that we already are. See that we already are creating this reality in full consciousness/awareness and then endeavour to resonate at that level of awareness, while still being incarnated physically.

The aim is not to dissolve the illusion because if we were to do that the image would dissolve with it. Rather, seek to become more and more aware of the illusion. In this way, we can continue to experience the image in full awareness, without dissolving it. Everything that can be experienced is real, the fact that it’s illusory doesn’t make it not real, it just means it is not as it appears.

This is really fantastic! Thank you so much for sharing this :)

I just had a meditation today where I found that I was the source of pure love that I consider to be the source of all creation in this universe. I am still perplexed, but it is an interesting revelation. I know that this reflects teachings that I have heard - unity consciousness, that we are all 3D manifestations of the same source of pure love, the source of creation.

Your consciousness realizations are profound. Thank you so much for sharing them, Innocent Warrior. :)

Last year, a friend told me to write a message to myself on my mirror as a way of helping me switch things up energetically and psychologically. I chose this affirmation. I took this pic fall 2015.

http://i67.tinypic.com/1z39yls.jpg

[Innocent Warrior]

I have a sharing for you, Piotrcloud, hope you enjoy. Just this week I had a revelation about the relationship between my higher self and I and while the realisation in itself is simple, the implications are staggering to me.

I realised that my higher self and I are the one indivisible being, not in a we’re energetically connected hence we are one way, no, as in we are literally one being and the perception and experience of being two is an illusion.

I could write all day about this revelation but for now I would like to share about its implications regarding creating consciously. The act of creating consciously, while in human form, is not about trying to become more conscious. By doing this we will always experience needing to be more conscious, by resonating a state of being which contains the need to be more conscious. It’s a little bit like the spoon in the Matrix movie - rather than trying to make the spoon bend, see there is no spoon. Well in this case, rather than trying to become more conscious, see that we already are. See that we already are creating this reality in full consciousness/awareness and then endeavour to resonate at that level of awareness, while still being incarnated physically.

The aim is not to dissolve the illusion because if we were to do that the image would dissolve with it. Rather, seek to become more and more aware of the illusion. In this way, we can continue to experience the image in full awareness, without dissolving it. Everything that can be experienced is real, the fact that it’s illusory doesn’t make it not real, it just means it is not as it appears.

This is really fantastic! Thank you so much for sharing this :)

I just had a meditation today where I found that I was the source of pure love that I consider to be the source of all creation in this universe. I am still perplexed, but it is an interesting revelation. I know that this reflects teachings that I have heard - unity consciousness, that we are all 3D manifestations of the same source of pure love, the source of creation.

Your consciousness realizations are profound. Thank you so much for sharing them, Innocent Warrior. :)

Last year, a friend told me to write a message to myself on my mirror as a way of helping me switch things up energetically and psychologically. I chose this affirmation. I took this pic fall 2015.

http://i67.tinypic.com/1z39yls.jpg

Thank you Freedom Train. :)

I love the mirror idea and I'll be doing that!

[Chester]

It appears to me that the dialogue between truthseekerdan and zoolife demonstrates "the paradox" which is at the heart of all mystical traditions and the perennial philosophy.

For me, both are right.

[Sueanne47]

Apart from Freedom Train's lovely photo, I'd like to see some images of what folk think is God. I know that to a lot of people 'there is no man in the sky' but to my imagination there is!

I love pictures :

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[Foxie Loxie]

Having come from a very narrowminded religious background & reflecting on what I have learned SO FAR....there must be an Ultimate Source from which all else flows & if we can slow our inner beings down to simply experience that all-encompassing LOVE & realize exactly who we ARE, we may have made a step in the right direction. It is very difficult to "unbrainwash" one's self from the conditioning that has been taking place since the moment we were born! :idea:

[greybeard]

Having come from a very narrowminded religious background & reflecting on what I have learned SO FAR....there must be an Ultimate Source from which all else flows & if we can slow our inner beings down to simply experience that all-encompassing LOVE & realize exactly who we ARE, we may have made a step in the right direction. It is very difficult to "unbrainwash" one's self from the conditioning that has been taking place since the moment we were born! :idea:

I was lucky I rebelled against relgion at an early age (4) but fell in love with Christ, God knows how that happened.
We had Religious instruction at school and that started it I guess.
I was filled with wonder at natural things.

A friend Uffe came to stay when I was about 45--I cant remember what I said but lovingly he said "Your just a child Chris"
Part of me has not grown up.
I have been hurt in relationships many times but I have not given up on loving people.
Its my nature--I can not claim its something I have worked at---It is the God within.
There is no where God is not --He is within me and everyone and out there too, so to speak--I am one with That, a ray of the Divine as Nasargadatta said.
We are all rays of the Divine--we are all That.
Ch

[shijo]

Having come from a very narrowminded religious background & reflecting on what I have learned SO FAR....there must be an Ultimate Source from which all else flows & if we can slow our inner beings down to simply experience that all-encompassing LOVE & realize exactly who we ARE, we may have made a step in the right direction. It is very difficult to "unbrainwash" one's self from the conditioning that has been taking place since the moment we were born! :idea:

I was lucky I rebelled against relgion at an early age (4) but fell in love with Christ, God knows how that happened.
We had Religious instruction at school and that started it I guess.
I was filled with wonder at natural things.

A friend Uffe came to stay when I was about 45--I cant remember what I said but lovingly he said "Your just a child Chris"
Part of me has not grown up.
I have been hurt in relationships many times but I have not given up on loving people.
Its my nature--I can not claim its something I have worked at---It is the God within.
There is no where God is not --He is within me and everyone and out there too, so to speak--I am one with That, a ray of the Divine as Nasargadatta said.
We are all rays of the Divine--we are all That.
Ch

Reminds me Chris what old Master Jung had carved in stone at the entrance to his house in Kusnacht,Called or not God is present.

[Innocent Warrior]

I was reading these posts about deprogramming and posted a book in the free PDF thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=1116633&viewfull=1#post1116633), it's called “The Power Of Habit”, you may find it of interest. The idea is that with an understanding of how habit works we’re able to get rid of old destructive habits and/or create new desirable habits.

We think we get up every day and make a series of decisions throughout our day but what we’re actually doing, for the most part, is running a program made up of a series or learned/behaved habits. The book explains in detail how this works and it’s also applicable for completely reprogramming your mind, which is how I’ve been applying it and have found it highly effective.

This book will teach you about the habit loop -> cue - routine - reward. What I’ve been doing is identifying all my cues and using the same cues but then choosing different routines and then I make the reward the same every time, which is the thrill of being aware that I’m writing my own program - surprisingly a lot more effective than I had theorised. This will make more sense to you if you read the book, or just the first section will do. This is an ambitious application of the book but not a problem for folks, such as yourselves, who have an advanced Self/self awareness and don’t identify with your mind and programming - a major benefit of spiritual practices. I’ve found this book very helpful in working on the thought and behavioural level of my psyche and highly recommend giving it a read to anyone who is interested in efficiently aligning the program of your mind with the higher aspects of yourself. You still need an unshakable resolve but practice makes perfect and it works.

[The Freedom Train]

I was reading these posts about deprogramming and posted a book in the free PDF thread here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?9462-Interesting-Free-Books-in-PDF&p=1116633&viewfull=1#post1116633), it's called “The Power Of Habit”, you may find it of interest. The idea is that with an understanding of how habit works we’re able to get rid of old destructive habits and/or create new desirable habits.

We think we get up every day and make a series of decisions throughout our day but what we’re actually doing, for the most part, is running a program made up of a series or learned/behaved habits. The book explains in detail how this works and it’s also applicable for completely reprogramming your mind, which is how I’ve been applying it and have found it highly effective.

This book will teach you about the habit loop -> cue - routine - reward. What I’ve been doing is identifying all my cues and using the same cues but then choosing different routines and then I make the reward the same every time, which is the thrill of being aware that I’m writing my own program - surprisingly a lot more effective than I had theorised. This will make more sense to you if you read the book, or just the first section will do. This is an ambitious application of the book but not a problem for folks, such as yourselves, who have an advanced Self/self awareness and don’t identify with your mind and programming - a major benefit of spiritual practices. I’ve found this book very helpful in working on the thought and behavioural level of my psyche and highly recommend giving it a read to anyone who is interested in efficiently aligning the program of your mind with the higher aspects of yourself. You still need an unshakable resolve but practice makes perfect and it works.

That sounds like an interesting practice, would like to give it a try! Thanks for sharing, Innocent Warrior!! :)

[Innocent Warrior]

That sounds like an interesting practice, would like to give it a try! Thanks for sharing, Innocent Warrior!! :)

My pleasure, Freedom Train. I've been getting into audiobooks lately and saw it on YouTube last night. There's an enormous amount of audiobooks on YouTube and they're great for if you don't have the time to sit down with a book. Here it is, for if that helps -

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I'm converting them to mp3, downloading them and then putting them on my iPod too. If you're into that, here's (http://mp3fiber.com) a good website you can use to do convert and download anything off YouTube.